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>> WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND GUESTS.
[CALL TO ORDER]
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE'LL OPEN WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE.BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO THAT, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT SOME OF YOU ALREADY KNOW.
IT'S JUST VERY, VERY SAD THIS PAST SATURDAY, THE BODY FAMILY OF ATLANTIC BEACH EXPERIENCED TRAGEDY.
WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THEM IN ATLANTIC BEACH SHOW LIVING.
BUT THE BODY FAMILY IS A HUSBAND AND WIFE AND THREE CHILDREN, THE MOTHER, RANDY AND THE THREE CHILDREN, ZANE, AMIA.
WELL, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE LAST OR THE FIRST NAME, BUT THEN KEMIAN.
THREE CHILDREN, ONE OF WHICH WAS, IF I'M CORRECT, WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD AT THE SCENE.
THIS WAS ON HIGHWAY 17 IN PUTNAM COUNTY, PELLAGRA PROBABLY.
THEY WENT OFF ROAD AND HIT AN EMBANKMENT AND FLIPPED THE VEHICLE.
JUST VERY SAD NIGHT, I WOULD ASK THAT EVERYBODY AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THEY ARE OUR RESIDENTS, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND IT'S A TRAGEDY FOR THAT FAMILY.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER KELLY.
CREATOR GOD, IS OUR PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN PARADISE, BUT BE WITH US AS WE WORK TOGETHER IN PEACE TO IMPROVE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
MAY WE BE JUDICIOUS AND EQUITABLE IN THE USE OF OUR RESOURCES.
AND WE LIFT UP THE BODY FAMILY AND THEIR SORROW, AND MAY WE HAVE A SAFE AND ENJOYABLE SUMMER TOGETHER. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KELLY.
I WILL NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF JUNE 26, 2023, CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO ORDER.
LADASHIA, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A. Approve minutes of the Regular Commission Meeting on May 22, 2023. ]
TODAY WE ONLY HAVE THE MINUTES OF MAY 22ND.HAVE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE? THERE BEING NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED, AND WILL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS PUBLIC COMMENT ]
BECAUSE WE HAVE A SMALL GROUP, I'VE RESTORED THE CLOCK TO FIVE MINUTES.PAT, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
LADASHIA, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND CALL OUT OUR FIRST SPEAKER?
>> BROUGHT MY OWN CLOCK THIS TIME, BECAUSE LAST TIME IT WASN'T WORKING.
FIRST OF ALL, HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO CITY MANAGER.
I CAME HERE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING ON THE PATH TO BUILDING A SPLASH PAD FOR THE CHILDREN OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
OFTEN PEOPLE COME UP HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR CONCERNS OR COMPLAINT ABOUT A PROBLEM AND SELDOM DO THEY RETURNED TO SAY THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GENERALLY THANKLESS TASK.
I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS WOULD COST TOO MUCH FOR RECONSIDERING THEIR POSITION IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC STRONG DESIRE TO CONTINUE WITH A PLAN, AND FOR THE CITY STAFF WHO WORKED HARD TO FIND A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, WITH MUCH LESS MONEY THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE ON STAFF AND COMMISSION WHO ARE MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
SECONDLY, I WANT TO RETURN TO AN ITEM WHICH I BRIEFLY MENTIONED TO YOU IN THE LAST MEETING, AND THAT'S THE SALE OF THAT SURPLUS LAND, JOINING HANNA PARK.
AT THE TIME, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE LAND CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION DUE TO THE ADJACENT DEVELOPERS STATED DESIRE TO PURCHASE IT.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT A REAL URGENCY, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, IT HAS BEEN, AND I GUESS IT WILL BE CONTINUING TO SIT THERE UNTIL YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT WHILE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE LAND IN AND OF ITSELF, I STILL THINK THE CITY SHOULD ENERGETICALLY EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DISPOSITION OF THAT LAND, AS IT GIVES US THE POSSIBILITY OF NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR REDUCED ENTRANCE FEES TO HANNA PARK, FOR CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS.
TO ME, IT'S A NO-BRAINER IF THEY WILL GO FOR IT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES AB RESIDENTS FACE IS FAIRLY HANDLING PARKING FOR ITS CITIZENS.
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I KNOW WE HAVE A REDUCED RATES FOR AB CITIZENS PARKING AT THE BEACH AS ONE WAY TO HANDLE THAT, BUT I'VE OFTEN HEARD, WHY DON'T THEY GO TO HANNA? LOTS OF PARKING THERE, PICNIC FACILITIES, AND BATHROOMS. OBVIOUSLY, THE MAJOR REASON IS THE INTERESTS FEE.IF WE EXCHANGE THAT LAND WITH CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR REDUCED ENTRANCE FEES FOR AB RESIDENTS, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE.
IF JACKSONVILLE ADDS A LITTLE MORE LAND TO ITS PARK, WHICH IS A GREAT THING, AND ATLANTIC BEACH MIGHT HAVE MORE RESIDENTS USING HANNA TO RELIEVE CONGESTION AT OUR END OF THE BEACH.
PLEASE AT LEAST EXPLORE THIS OPPORTUNITY BEFORE PUTTING THE LAND OUT FOR PROPOSALS.
DUE TO ITS ISOLATE RELATED SPOT, WE ALL KNOW IT'S UNLIKELY ANYONE BUT THE DEVELOPER OR MAYBE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WOULD BID ON IT ANYWAY, AT LEAST GIVE THIS A SHOT.
NOW, TURNING TO THE UTILITY FEE, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO SUGGEST THIS.
WITH REGARD TO THE UTILITY FEE, I KNOW IT IS A JUMP FOR SOME CITIZENS AND I KNOW $3 IS HARDLY A HUGE JUMP.
BUT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE PART OF IT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO HAPPEN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE DONE IN TWO STEPS SO THAT WE TAKE THE FIRST $2 OF THE JUMP THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT DOLLAR WHICH IS GOING TOWARDS HELPING BUILD UP THE RESERVE FUN AGAIN, BUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
THAT CAN BE DONE ALL IN ONE AMENDMENT, THAT CAN BE DONE ALL AT ONE TIME.
FOR PEOPLE LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES, THAT GIVES THEM YET ANOTHER YEAR TO GET IT TOGETHER.
I REALIZED THIS LESSON COME TO AB OVER THAT TIME, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH DOING THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN SEVERAL YEARS.
THIS WAY WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT IN A GRADUATED FORM.
I'VE BEEN THE PERSON WHO'S ALWAYS SAID, WHY BUY SWAMP LAND.
I STILL FEEL LIKE WHY ARE WE BUYING SWAMP LAND, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A COST SAVINGS TO USING THAT LAND.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST OF THE PURCHASE, PLUS THE PROJECTED REMEDIATION COSTS IN EVALUATING WHETHER THIS IS A PRUDENT PURCHASE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THE REMEDIATION IF WE HAVE THAT LAND, CAN USE THAT LAND FOR IT.
THE ENGINEERING STAFF HAS SHOWN YOU THAT.
BUT PART OF DECIDING WHETHER THAT'S STILL A GOOD DEAL IS ALSO PUTTING IN THE ACTUAL COST OF THE PURCHASE TOO, AND ADDING THAT IN AND THEN SAYING, WELL NOW IS IT STILL A GOOD IDEA.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, I AM FINISHED AND WITHIN TIME, AND I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS. BYE.
>> THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON. NEXT.
>> JANE STEVENS, 2243 BEACH COMBING TRAIL.
GOOD EVENING. ON THE JUNETEENTH MONDAY HOLIDAY AT 9:00 AM WE NOTICED THE WATER WELLING UP IN OUR FRONT YARD.
I GOT THE CURB KEY, DUG THE SAND OUT OF THE BOX, AND DID MY BEST TO SHUT OFF THE CURB VALVE.
I WAS PRETTY SURE I WAS DOING IT CORRECTLY AND TIGHT ENOUGH, BUT THE METER WAS STILL RUNNING, ALBEIT MUCH MORE SLOWLY.
I CALLED MR. STEVE, WHO HAS DONE WORK WITH US BEFORE AND HE'S SUPER RELIABLE AND REALLY NICE.
HE CAME WITHIN THE HOUR AND AGREED WITH ME THAT THERE WAS TOO MUCH FLOW BY FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS CREW COME OUT AND THAT I NEEDED TO ASK THE CITY TO CHANGE THE CURVE VALVE.
I CALL THE NUMBER ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND SENT AN EMAIL TO THE ADDRESS TO ME BEING WITHOUT WATER AND HAVING SOME UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF WATER STILL FLOWING INTO OUR YARD UNDERGROUND WOULD HAVE WARRANTED AN OVERTIME VISIT.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A GOVERNMENT HOLIDAY AND THOUGHT, OKAY, FINE FIRST THING TUESDAY, I'LL BE FINE.
TWO PHONE CALLS AND ONE VISIT TO THE CITY SPACES ON TUESDAY AND WE FINALLY GOT A CALLBACK TUESDAY EVENING WITH A PROMISE FOR SERVICE WEDNESDAY MORNING.
WE FOUND OUT ON THIS LAST PHONE CALL THAT WATER HAD BEEN LEAKING INTO OUR YARD FOR SOME NUMBER OF DAYS AND WE HAD USED ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
IT'S WORTH OF WATER IN THE LAST MONTH ALONE DUE TO THIS LEAK.
FINALLY, ON WEDNESDAY MORNING TO REALLY NICE CITY EMPLOYEES SPENT 15 MINUTES CHANGING THE CURVE VALVE.
MR. STEVE'S CREW WAS THERE SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND SPENT LESS THAN AN HOUR GLUING A PIECE OF PVC THAT HAD BEEN SHOVED TOGETHER BUT NOT GLUED BY THE ORIGINAL CREW 15 YEARS AGO AND HAD FINALLY DECIDED TO SEPARATE.
IN AN IRONIC TWIST, THE NEXT DAY I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY GENERATED BY THE EEOC,
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I THINK, ASKING ME TO JOIN A WATER-SAVING CLUB TO TRY AND REDUCE MY WATER USAGE BY 15%.IT WILL TAKE ME THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS TO MAKE UP FOR THE WATER THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF LOSING IN THE PAST MONTH.
BECAUSE OF THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
I HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS IF THE CITY IS SERIOUS ABOUT SAVING WATER.
FIRST, AUTOMATE THE LEAK REPORTING.
I SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO CALL OR WRITE AN E-MAIL ON MONDAY ON THE HOLIDAY.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FORM ON THE CITY WEBSITE THAT I FILL OUT AND IT SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, WHERE'S THE LEAK, WHAT MY ESTIMATE OF THE LEAK RATE IS, AND HOW URGENT I BELIEVE MY SITUATION TO BE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE CITY WOULD AGREE OR DISAGREE THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO HAVE THAT FORM BE EVALUATED QUICKLY AND A DECISION SENT OUT ON A LIKELY REPAIR SCHEDULE.
I DON'T MIND IF IT'S TWO DAYS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TODAY.
SECONDS, AUTOMATE THE WATER MONITORING.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A MONTH FOR THE CITY TO NOTIFY ME THAT I'M USING A MONTH'S WORTH OF WATER EVERY FIVE DAYS.
THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO TELL SOMEONE AFTER A DAY OR TWO THAT THE WATER IS FLOWING CONSTANTLY.
THE PERSON WE EVENTUALLY TALKED TO TELL US BY THE HOUR WHAT WAS HAPPENING SO THE DATA IS THERE.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE USED WELL, TO HELP THE RESIDENTS SAVE WATER.
I'M STILL GOING TO JOIN THE 15% CLUB, BUT I THINK THERE'S BETTER, MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO SAVE WATER. THANK YOU.
>> PATRICIA HAZURI, 207 FLORIDA BOULEVARD, NEPTUNE BEACH.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW STANDING IN FRONT OF A CITY COUNCIL.
SINCE 2018, I'VE FOUND MY VOICE HAD BEEN ABLE TO COME UP FRONT AND IT TAKES A LOT OF NERVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU ALL.
I'VE GOTTEN LOUDER AND LOUDER AND MORE DIRECT.
BUT NEVER MEAN, AND NEVER DISRESPECTFUL.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR OUR VOICE BECAUSE I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THE ISSUES THAT I REPRESENT, OUR BI-PARTISAN ISSUES AND I'VE MADE FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER MY COMMUNITY THAT USED TO NOT LIKE ME BECAUSE OF THE SINES I HAD IN MY YARD.
WELL, THERE WERE MY FRIEND NOW.
I'M HERE NOW TALKING TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH.
IT'S THE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU RECEIVE THE AGREEMENT FOR WATER REQUESTED BY NEPTUNE BEACH FOR TRIBE RICH RESIDENTIAL, LLC.
IT WAS APPROVED ON APRIL 17TH, OVER NINE WEEKS AGO.
I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME.
I GUESS IT'S BEEN RELEASED TO YOU NOW IN EARLY SUMMER AND IT WAS PLANNED.
THIS IS A TIME NEPTUNE BEACH USUALLY PUTS IMPORTANT ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT-OF-TOWN, ARE BUSY WITH FAMILY.
AS I HAVE STATED, AND OTHER ATLANTIC BEACH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS AND NEPTUNE BEACH THAT WE AS CITIZENS ARE DEPRESSED AND DISILLUSIONED ABOUT.
WE'RE FACING A LAWSUIT BY OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER WHO STATES THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN WELL AWARE OF WHAT ARE PROBLEMS FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY BLAMED ON HIM.
AN AUDIT WAS RELEASED SIX MONTHS LATE, BARELY GOT TO THE STATE ON TIME.
THAT SHOWED AN EMBARRASSING ERRORS OF BASIC ACCOUNTING.
UNFINISHED SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER THAT SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY TOO.
IT'S BEEN YEARS AND YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT AND ONGOING EXPENSES.
WE CONTINUE TO FLOOD AND IT'S NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED THE LIST GOES ON.
THE SITTING UP NEPTUNE BEACH IS FOCUSED ON ONE THING RIGHT NOW, AND THEY ARE IN A RACE TO GET APPROVED BEFORE OUR MAYOR LEAVES IN 18 MONTHS, OUR CITY HAS SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON RE-WRITING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, NOT JUST A HALF A MILLION FOR DOVER AND COAL.
THAT IS TO PUT IN MULTI-UNIT HOUSING, WHICH I HAVE THE PICTURES OF IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM.
ALL THE WHILE WE NEVER HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS HOUSING.
WHAT DID THE COUNCIL DO AFTER THEY GOT THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LAST AUGUST AND THE DEVELOPER CAME TO YOU TO ASK FOR WATER AND SEWER? THEY CAME TO YOU TO ASK FOR HELP FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS.
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I WILL NOT STOP SAYING THIS WATER DEAL IS NOT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS.THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THEIR LIVES AND FOUGHT TO STOP THIS EXACT DEVELOPMENT IN 2018 OR 2019.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE.
THEIR HOMES COVER THE VAST AMOUNT OF ACREAGE IN OUR TOWN.
WE HAVE ONLY 33 ACRES OF COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, OF WHICH TRIBE RICH RESIDENTIAL OWNS 17.
THIS WATER AGREEMENT IS FOR THESE DEVELOPERS.
CHAD KHAN HAS NOT PURCHASED ANYTHING YET AND NEPTUNE BEACH.
BUT AS SOON AS THIS STILL GOES THROUGH, WELL, THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH BE RESCUING HIM AND HIS DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
HE HAS EXTENDED HIS OPTION TO PURCHASE THE SEAHORSE IN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2023.
IS THIS THE DEAL? WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON THE CORNER OF ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND THIRD STREET? THAT WILL NEED 88,000 GALLONS OF WATER.
HOW WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT AFFECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS QUALITY OF LIFE? THIS IS A QUESTION YOU SHOULD BE ASKING TOMORROW.
WHAT DO THEY WANT TO BUILD? YOU AREN'T GOING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
YOU WERE VOTED INTO OFFICE TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM A VOICE AND THE CITY'S FUTURE.
YOUR PROMISE WAS TO KEEP YOUR COMMUNITY SMALL.
NEPTUNE BEACH RESIDENTS WANT THE SAME THING.
DON'T LET THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH STEP INTO THE TANGLED WEB OF DECEIT THAT DEFINES NEPTUNE BEACH CITY COUNCIL.
HOPEFULLY, YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT.
OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON YOUR HONESTY. THANK YOU.
>> HI ALL, STEVE FOURAKER, 387 SIXTH STREET, ATLANTIC BEACH.
THANK YOU, PAT HAZURI, I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY TIME I HEAR HER SPEAK THAT I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT'S NESTLED INTO HANNA PARK.
WE BECOME AWARE THAT THE KLOTZ DEVELOPMENT GROUP WANTS TO BUY THAT PROPERTY AND HAS FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M HERE TO SAY WE'VE GOT TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
THEY HAVE THE REEF APARTMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH GOES ACROSS INTO WHAT LOOKS LIKE HANNA PARK AND I BELIEVE MAYBE THERE'S AN EASEMENT IN THERE.
IF WE WERE TO EVEN CONSIDER SELLING TO KLOTZ DEVELOPMENT, WE SHOULD HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED AND IT WILL NEVER BECOME AN ENTRANCE INTO HANNA PARK.
I THINK CINDY ANDERSON, WHO SPOKE EARLIER, HAD A GREAT IDEA WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH JACKSONVILLE.
WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR COMING IN AT JACKSONVILLE WHO'S THE ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT.
I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO WORKING ON A DEAL, WHETHER IT'S INTEREST INTO HANNA PARK OR JUST A NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO TO HAVE THAT PARK, THAT PROPERTY REMAIN NATURAL AND UNDEVELOPED AND MAYBE PUT A RESTRICTION IN THAT THEY HAVE TO PLANT SOME REALLY GREAT TREES.
I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN, DO NOT SELL TO A PRIVATE ENTITY WITHOUT A DEED RESTRICTION OR YOU HAD CREATED SOMETHING IN HANNA PARK RIGHT NEXT TO HANNA PARK AND COULD LOOM OVER HANNA PARK.
IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE 79,000 OR WHATEVER. THAT WOULD BE.
ANOTHER THING THAT AGAIN IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, IT'S THE WATER DEAL WITH NEPTUNE BEACH.
OVER 30 WOMEN GOT TOGETHER AND REALLY EXPRESSED DESIRE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IMPACT THAT BAILOUT, IN MY OPINION, OF BADLY MANAGED NEPTUNE BEACH AND TO A DEVELOPER THAT MANY OF US FOUGHT, TO NOT OVER DEVELOPED THAT PROPERTY WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
WE THOUGHT WE'D WON, BUT YOU NEVER REALLY WIN IN THIS GAME.
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BUT REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, AND I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE ANSWERED TODAY.BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE AND I THINK THAT MS. HAZURI, ALSO ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT BEEN ANSWERED AT ALL.
A HUGE AMOUNT OF WATER IS BEING ALLOTTED TO THAT SOON TO BE DEVELOPED OUT PARCELS.
BUT MY QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH IS, HOW THAT GIVE TO OURSELVES TO NEPTUNE BEACH IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR TRAFFIC, OUR PARKING, AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THANK YOU ALL. YOU ALL DO GOOD WORK.
THAT'S IT? WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OBJECT? NO. WELL, WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
LET'S SEE. SO CITY MANAGER YOU'RE UP.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS A. Accept the 90-Day Calendar (July - Sept. 2023) B. City Manager Search Update C. Splash Pad D. Dora Drive Update E. America 250 Marker at Veterans Memorial Park ]
>> FIRST THING IN MY AGENDA [NOISE] IS THE 90-DAY CALENDAR.
YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE THREE BUDGET HEARINGS, WORKSHOPS ACTUALLY, THE 25TH OF JULY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE SCHEDULED THE SEVENTH OF AUGUST.
AND IF WE NEED A THIRD ONE, WE HAVE ONE ON THE 24TH OF AUGUST.
HOPEFULLY, WE CAN KNOCK IT DOWN IN TWO MEETINGS, BUT IF WE NEED THAT THIRD MEETING, IT'S THERE.
OTHER THAN THAT, [OVERLAPPING]
THIS PAST THURSDAY THERE WAS A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION PUBLIC INPUT MEETING I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN ON THIS.
I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT, BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS PUT ON OUR 90-DAY CALENDARS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ATTEND THEM.
>> ANY OTHER CHANGES, REQUESTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 90-DAY CALENDAR?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 90-DAY CALENDAR.
>> OPPOSED. MAYOR CURTIS, THANK YOU.
>> WELL, I'M ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT TO YOU.
I THINK I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL THAT WE WERE GIVEN A $500,000 ALLOCATION FROM THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET, THE STATE BUDGET, TOWARD OUR AQUATIC GARDENS PROJECT.
THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT UP TO 2.8 MILLION AND THAT INCLUDES $500,000 MATCH FROM THE CITY.
I'D LIKE TO CALL ATTENTION TO TWO SITTING EMPLOYEES THAT ARE RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, CAROLINE MATTHEWS, WHO'S IN UTILITY BILLING.
SHE STARTED WHEN SHE WAS RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.
SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR 46 YEARS, ALMOST 47.
SHE'S BEEN HERE 42 YEARS, THAT'S 88 YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM BOTH FOR THEIR SERVICE AND CONGRATULATE THEM ON THEIR RETIREMENT.
[APPLAUSE] WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS STARTING THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK.
THE FIRST OF ALL, THE SKATE PARK WILL BE CLOSED FOR PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, WE'RE DOING SOME CRACK REPAIR AND PAINTING THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE'S A DEPRESSION IN FRONT OF WHICH DOWN IN THE TOWN CENTER, WE'RE HAVING THOSE BRICKS REPLACED AND THAT DEPRESSION FIXED.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WATER, BUT ONLY WHEN IT RAINS.
THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT A FORCE MAIN DOWN SILVER MARINA TWO SEMINAL.
THERE SHOULD BE MINIMUM INTERRUPTION, BUT IT'S ALL GOING UNDERGROUND.
THAT SHOULD HELP WITH OUR SEWAGE SYSTEM.
THE LEVY ROAD OUTFALL PIPE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO START LATER THIS WEEK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THIS RIGHT NOW IS THAT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT FOUR PROFIT COMPANIES USING CITY ASSETS FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES, TOURNAMENTS, LESSONS.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BACK OF MY MIND THAT IT DOES CONCERN ME.
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MY NON-NOTED COMMENTS HERE, I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT JOHN STINSON.I FIRST GOT TO MEET JOHN IN FERNANDINA BEACH IN 2012.
HE HAD AN AIRPLANE, AND HE HOUSED IT IN FERNANDINA BEACH AT THE AIRPORT.
I ALSO HAPPENED TO BE THE AIRPORT MANAGER AT THE TIME.
JOHN AND HIS FATHER-IN-LAW WE'RE INTERESTED IN BUILDING SOME COMMERCIAL HANGARS, AND WE HAD SEVERAL VERY NICE MEETINGS AND IN THE END IT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION, BUT JOHN REMAINED A GOOD FRIEND.
WE CONTINUED WHENEVER HE CAME UP TO FLY, WE MEET FOR LUNCH OR TO JUST STOP IN THE OFFICE AND I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
WHEN I LEFT FOR INDIANA BEACH, I REALLY DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO WORK ANYMORE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS SORT OF THE END OF MY CAREER.
WHEN THERE WAS AN OPENING DOWN HERE, JOHN WAS VERY INSISTENT THAT I APPLY FOR THE JOB IN 2017.
I THINK HE WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING ME HERE AND I'M SO GRATEFUL TO HIM FOR THAT.
JOHN WAS A GENTLEMAN, A KIND MAN.
HE WASN'T ALWAYS IN AGREEMENT WITH ANYTHING AND EVERYBODY, BUT HE WOULD ALWAYS DISAGREE HONORABLY AND CIVILLY.
HE'S SOMEONE THAT I'M GOING TO MISS AND WISH HIS FAMILY NOTHING BUT THE BEST.
>> THANK YOU, JOE. JOHN WILL BE MISSED.
>> IF WE GO OVER TO THE AGENDA ACTUALLY HERE, THERE'S A RESOLUTION COMING UP ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD, BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL THAT INFORMATION, SO YOU CAN HAVE IT AND REVIEW IT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT TO THE RESOLUTION.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, STEVE IS HERE AND JASON IS HERE, AS FAR AS A CHANGE IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH IN ORDER.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE HERE.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, BEFORE WE GET TO DORA DRIVE AND THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH UPDATE, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THE AMERICA 250 MARKER AT VETERANS PARK.
APPARENTLY, I RUFFLED A FEW FEATHERS WITH THE VETERANS GROUP THAT OVERSEES THAT PARK.
THIS IS JUST IN HERE TO LET YOU KNOW WE GOT THE REQUEST, AND I AM GOING TO REFER IT TO THE VETERANS GROUPS SO THEY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DORA DRIVE OR DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS?
>> DORA DRIVE. STEVE, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND JUST [NOISE] SENT YOU AN EMAIL OUT [NOISE] WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
WE GOT THE PRICE DOWN TO $1,075,000 FROM 1,000,002, AND STEVE WAS GOING TO DO SOME CALCULATIONS TO SEE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY WORTH FOR US TO BUY IT IF THERE WOULD BE SAVINGS FROM DORA DRIVE THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO THE REST OF THE AQUATIC PARTY OR PROJECTS.
I'M GOING TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO STEVE RIGHT NOW.
>> STEVE SWANN, CITY ENGINEER, I'LL BE BRIEF.
WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK A LOOK AT THE COST OF THE PROPERTY, THE COST ESTIMATE TO CREATE A PORTION OF THAT AS A STORMWATER POND AND LOOKED AT WHAT IT MIGHT OFFSET DOWNSTREAM IN THE HOPKINS CREEK DITCH WHERE PART OF OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS TO CREATE MORE CAPACITY IN THAT DITCH.
IT'S NOT REALLY A DIRECT COMPARISON, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.
BUT WHAT I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED OF HOW WE COME UP WITH SOMEWHERE 1 OR A 1.3 COST-BENEFIT MEDIAN.
WE SPEND A DOLLAR AT DORA STREET FOR LAND PURCHASE AND CONSTRUCTION, IT'LL SAVE US $1.30 IN THE FUTURE DOWNSTREAM.
GRANTED, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT PROJECT RIGHT AWAY.
IT'S A LONG TERM STRETCHED OUT IN THE CIP, BECAUSE IT IS RATHER EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES SHEET PILING THE SIZE OF THE HOPKINS CREEK DITCH TO GET US MORE CAPACITY.
AND SHEET PILE, ESPECIALLY THE KIND YOU'D HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE WHERE YOU CAN TIE IT BACK, IT'S WHAT'S CALLED CANTILEVER PILE, IT'S TALL PILES THAT ARE DRIVEN REALLY DEEP, THEY COULD STAND ON THEIR OWN.
THEY'RE EXPENSIVE, USUALLY BEST, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLAR A FOOT, SO WHEN YOU OFFSET THE COST OF WHAT WE GET BY SHEET PILING BOTH SIDES OF THAT DITCH, SAY BETWEEN CUTLASS AND PLAZA, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME OR MORE THAN WHAT THE DORA STREET PROPERTY WOULD COST FOR THE SAME BENEFIT AS FAR AS STORMWATER CONTROL AND FLOOD CONTROL.
WE'D PROBABLY COULD DO THAT DORA STREET PROPERTY QUICKER TOO, BECAUSE IT IS DEFINITELY LESS EXPENSIVE AND LESS INTRUSIVE.
>> I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS RIGHT OUT.
THE SHEET PILING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE ON THE DITCHES THAT LEAD INTO THE RETENTION POND AT AQUATIC GARDENS?
>> NO, BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK DOWN PLAZA, OR LOOKED DOWN CUTLASS, YOU CAN SEE THE DITCH AND WHAT IT WOULD DO, IT'D BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT DITCH.
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THE ORIGINAL PLAN IN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN WAS FOR THE CITY TO BUY BEACHES AQUATIC CLUB, AND BY FIVE OR SIX PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AQUATIC POND THAT BORDER THE POND.BUT THAT WAS BEFORE PROPERTY PRICES DOUBLED AND ALSO BEACHES AQUATIC CLUB HAD NO INTEREST IN SELLING AT THAT TIME.
>> BUT THAT REMEDY IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN GOING ON IN NEPTUNE AND JACKSONVILLE BEACH, CORRECT?
>> A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND LONG-TERM PROJECTS.
WHAT I'M STILL CURIOUS ABOUT ON THE DORA ROAD PROPERTY IS, WHAT'S DIFFERENT? WE'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, SO IF WE GO BACK A MONTH OR SO AGO WHEN YOU PRESENTED YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION ON SOLUTIONS FOR AQUATIC GARDENS AND SO ON.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT NOT HAVING TO GO AS BIG ON THE PIPES LEADING OUT OF THAT AREA OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND GOING DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM.
BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOUR CHART SHOWED THAT IN A EXTREME STORM EVENT THERE WAS ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL RELIEF RELATED ONLY TO HAVING THE RETENTION POND AND NOT THE SIZING AND THE PIPES.
>>YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE IDEA BEHIND THE LARGER 36 INCH PIPE WAS TO GET THE WATER FROM THAT DORA STREET, FRANCIS AVENUE AREA DOWNSTREAM INTO THE DITCHES QUICKLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
WHICH OF COURSE MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE STORAGE DOWNSTREAM, WHICH IS WHY THE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE MORE STORAGE DOWNSTREAM.
BUT IF WE CAN PROVIDE THAT STORAGE, ACTUALLY, UPSTREAM, THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED AS LARGE A PIPE AND WE DON'T NEED A QUITE AS MUCH STORAGE DOWNSTREAM, DOES THAT MAKES SENSE?
>> YEAH. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE OR TWO MORE. GO AHEAD.
>> THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THE LANDFILL ISSUE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH? I MEAN, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF?
>> WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ON THE LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT WAS EVER USED FOR LANDFILL, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT TRASH OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT BISECTS THAT PROPERTIES THAT'LL GIVE US PROBLEMS WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
>> SO WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.
>>SO WOULD THAT BE, SAY WE DRAFTED A BILL OF SALE, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH THERE AND WHAT PROBLEMS IT CAN CAUSE IN THE FUTURE.
>> WELL, THE NEXT STEPS, IF THE COMMISSIONER IS INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP, WOULD BE TO DEVELOP A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY AND START CONDUCTING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THAT TYPE OF WORK TO SEE WHAT'S THERE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SURPRISES IF YOU BOUGHT IT.
>> STEVE, YOU HAD THREE DIFFERENT PLANS, IF I RECALL.
AND ON ALL OF THEM WAS WIDENING THE CULVERT TO A LARGER SIZE.
THEN THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, 90% OF THE MONEY WOULD BE COVERED FOR THE CULVERT WIDENING THROUGH GRANT?
>> YES. WE HAVE A HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT THROUGH FEMA, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A GRANT APPROVAL TO DESIGN THAT CULVERT TO MAKE IT LARGER.
THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS.
BUT WITH THE POND, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT QUITE AS LARGE AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO INSTALL WITH A SMALLER CULVERT, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A 10 FOOT EASEMENT THROUGH THERE WHICH IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK, AND IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH 36 INCH PIPE OR AS A SMALLER CULVERT WILL BE 24-INCH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO MANHANDLE AND WORK DOWN THE SITE.
>> SO THE QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION ISN'T SO MUCH IS ARE WE WIDENING THE CULVERTS, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> THE COSTS REALLY AREN'T THAT SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT'S 90% REIMBURSEMENT BY THE FED.
WHETHER IT'S 24 OR 36 INCH PIPE, IT DOESN'T MATTER SO MUCH FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A HECK OF A LOT EASIER.
>> AND WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT THE PURCHASE OF THE ACREAGE? THE 0.6 LAND, HOW BIG IS THAT LOT?
>> IF WE DON'T PURCHASE THAT LAND WE'LL STILL HAVE TO DO THAT CULVERT PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE A 36 INCH CULVERTS.
>> SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PURCHASING THE PROPERTY FIRST AT A LITTLE OVER A MILLION, AND THEN LATER ON PUTTING IN THE MITIGATION POND?
>> STORM MITIGATION POND, SO THAT STORM MITIGATION, IT CAN'T BE MET WITH GRANT MONEY THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT THE CULVERT WAS ABLE TO.
>> WELL, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT CAN.
I'M GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SQUEEZE THAT WHOLE THING.
I CAN'T DO THE LAND PURCHASE, BUT I COULD PROBABLY DO THE POND CONSTRUCTION AND GET GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S A 2–3-YEAR PROCESS TO GET THAT THROUGH THE FEDS.
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>> IF I REMEMBER YOUR ANALYSIS, THE CULVERTS CAN HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON THE STORMWATER MITIGATION AS WELL, AND THE MITIGATION PONDS WOULD HAVE THE LARGEST IMPACT AT A 10-YEAR AND THEN A 25-YEAR STORM?
>> BUT THAT CULVERTS IS GOING SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEM.
>> WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS WE CAN'T REALLY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THAT CULVERT UNTIL WE CREATE MORE STORAGE DOWNSTREAM, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE MOVING MORE WATER INTO THE HOPKINS CREEK DRAINAGE FASTER THAN WE CAN STORE IT OR GET IT OUT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY COMPLETE A LOT MORE OF OUR WORK DOWNSTREAM BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY EVER GO IN TO REPLACE THAT CULVERT, AND THAT MIGHT BE THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
>> WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE MITIGATION POND WOULD REALLY BE MOST EFFECTIVE IF IT WAS DRAINED.
WE'D HAVE TO FIRST DRAIN IT BEFORE A STORM IS COMING.
>> YEAH, AND FOR THE BENEFIT COSTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT, I DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER PUMPING THE POND DOWN.
I JUST LOOKED AT IT WHERE NATURAL GROUNDWATER LEVELS ARE AND WHERE THE POND LEVEL WOULD BE EMPTY WITHOUT PUMPING IT.
IF WE PUMP IT DOWN, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET A LOT BETTER STORAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO TO THE POND AT AQUATIC.
>> WHEN YOU PUMP IT WHERE DO YOU PUT IT?
>> THAT DRAINS THROUGH HOPKINS CREEK, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY ON A HURRICANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU SEE IT COMING, YOU HAVE A FEW DAYS ADVANCE NOTICE, YOU CAN START PUMPING IT DOWN AND GET THAT WATER OUT OF THE SYSTEM BEFORE THE STORM EVER COMES.
>> STEVE, DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THAT 2.2 ACRES IS WETLANDS?
>> NONE OF IT IS. THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DID WHAT THEY CALL A VERIFIED JURISDICTIONAL FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
WHERE THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY COME OUT AND SAY IS THIS A WETLAND OR NOT? AND THEY AGREE THAT IT WAS AN UPLAND CUT DITCH, THAT IT'S NOT WETLAND.
STEVE, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING OPTIONS HERE.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS X, IS WHAT?
>> MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT THIS STORE OF PROPERTY COULD BE A REALLY VALUABLE PART OF OUR OVERALL PROJECT WORK FOR STORMWATER MITIGATION IN THE HOPKINS CREEK AQUATIC GARDENS BASIN.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE REALLY SAYING LONG-TERM [OVERLAPPING] THAT WE TALK ABOUT?
>> STEVE, IT MAY BE PREMATURE TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, BUT DOES THAT PROPERTY HAVE APPLICATIONS BEYOND OUR SOLUTIONING ON STORMWATER I.E, THERE WAS A VERY THIN APPENDAGE TO THAT PROPERTY THAT TOUCHES FRANCIS AVENUE.
IS THAT BETTER SOLD TO SOMEBODY, CAN ANYTHING BE BUILT ON THAT? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE BUY IT, DO WE PEEL OFF A PIECE OR TWO?
>> WELL, THERE'S A 10-FOOT ACCESS OFF FRANCIS, ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THAT LOT, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FEET AND THEN THEY BELIEVE IS 20 FEET ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
I'M NOT SURE IF ACTUALLY MAYBE 50 FEET.
IF IT'S 50 FEET, THAT COULD BE CARVED OFF AND SOLD AS A LOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD USE THAT FOR ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
>> IF WE OWNED IT AND WE USED IT FOR STORMWATER PREDOMINANTLY, WHAT ACCESS WOULD WE HAVE IF NOT THE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS 50 FEET ON THE NORTH END OF IT, BUT ON THE SOUTH END OF IT, YOU JUST SAID I THINK 20 FEET?
>> IT'S PRETTY NARROW, BUT NORTH END IS WIDE ENOUGH TO BUILD A CITY STANDARD ROAD THROUGH THERE.
IF THAT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY'D HAVE ACCESS FROM DORA STREET OF MAYPORT ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPER TO USE, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A 10-FOOT ALLEY.
IT'S NOT VERY WIDE, BUT BIG ENOUGH FOR OUR TRUCKS TO GET IN AND OUT.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLE SAID AND THAT IS WE DEFINITELY WANT AN ENVIRONMENTAL AUDIT.
>>WE'RE GOING TO FIND BURIED TREASURE.
>> HOW DID WE DO THAT WITH LILY STREET? HOW DO WE FIND ALL THAT GARBAGE, AT LEAST THE SAME TYPE OF AUDIT?
>> WELL, WE KNEW THE GARBAGE WAS THERE, BUT THE EXTENT OF IT.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PURCHASE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU DO IS WHAT'S CALLED A PHASE 1 ENVIRONMENTAL AUDIT, WHERE IT'S BASICALLY IS TO RECORD SEARCH.
THE RECORD SEARCH COMES BACK AND IT WILL SAY, THAT MAYBE THIS PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR A GAS STATION IN THE PAST OR POTENTIALLY A LANDFILL.
YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BASED ON THAT, WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PHASE 2 AND THE PHASE 2 IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY DIGGING IN THE DIRT.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT LILY STREET, WE DID SOME DIGGING IN THE DIRT TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE EXTENT OF THAT GARBAGE WAS.
IF WE DO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THEN, WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE FOR PUTTING IN THE MITIGATION BEHIND?
>> THAT ALL DEPENDS ON FUNDING, IF WE PURSUE FEMA FUNDING FOR THAT AND PROBABLY BE 3-5 YEARS.
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>> IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD FIND FEMA FUNDINGS, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE LARGE BILL AT THE END.
NOT JUST THE LAND COST, BUT THE COST TO PUT IN THE MITIGATION AND THEN THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
>> THREE TO FIVE YEAR CONSERVATIVELY, PROBABLY COULD BE QUICKER, BUT SO FAR OUR LUCK WITH FEMA IS, THEY ALWAYS COME THROUGH, BUT LOOK AT AQUATIC GARDENS, WE'VE BEEN MESS WILL HAVE FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE JUST NOW GOT APPROVAL.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION AND BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER RING IS, I THINK DRIVING AT, IS ANY OF THE MONEY PART OF THE, WHAT IS IT WE HAVE NOW 2.8 MILLION FOR AQUATIC GARDENS.
IS ANY OF THAT MONEY EARMARKED FOR SOME OF THAT SHEET PILE WORK OR THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FACE THAT WE HAVE STARTED?
>> SOME OF ITS EARMARK TO CUTLASS DRIVE TO EXPAND THE BOX OVER THERE, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REALLOCATE THAT POTENTIALLY, I'M NOT SURE IF THE STATE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD REALLOCATE IT.
>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR MORE AND SEE IT ON PAPER BECAUSE WE'LL LOSE IT IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING AT IS, ARE WE STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON ACCUMULATING THE MONEY TO FUND WHATEVER 3-5 YEARS OUT.
I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE CAN DEBATE THIS IF YOU LIKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH ENGAGING IN A CONTRACT AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT WON'T FEEL QUITE RIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONTRACT WRITTEN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AT THE PRE-AGREED AMOUNT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED SUBJECT TO A 30-DAY INSPECTION AND ASSESSMENT FOR FEASIBILITY FOR CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND WHAT THAT MEANS GUYS, IS THAT REALLY IS A FREE LOOK FOR 30 DAYS.
FOR PRETTY MUCH ANY REASON, WE COULD WITHDRAW FROM THAT CONTRACT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE'RE GOING TO USE 30 DAYS TO DECIDE OR WHATEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
>> I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND TRYING TO GET A 90-DAY.
>> WELL, THANK YOU. I GO LONGER ON THAT, IF HE WOULD AGREE TO IT.
I KNOW, THE LONGER YOU GO, THE LESS LIKELY HE'S GOING TO WANT TO HOLD A PRICE LIKE THAT AND AGREE TO JUST SIT FOR 90 DAYS, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SMART MOVE FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.
IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK WE CAN GET AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FEASIBILITY AND COST.
>> AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO FEMA AND TALK TO DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT.
>> TO THAT AND TO COMMISSIONER RING'S POINT START ASSESSING THE MONEY SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE IT CLEARLY IN 3-5 YEARS WE COULD PULL THAT TOGETHER, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY DIRECTION ON WHAT WOULD COME FROM WHERE.
TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT I THINK I HEARD AND PLEASE CORRECT ME, STEVE, IF I MISTAKE ON THIS, BUT YOU BELIEVE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THIS AND END UP SPENDING LESS MONEY, NET-NET WHEN WE INCLUDE THE WHOLE UPSTREAM WORK THAT IS YET TO BE DONE THROUGH AQUATIC GARDENS.
>> IT WILL DEFINITELY OFFSET DOWNSTREAM. [OVERLAPPING]
CAN WE GET A CONSENSUS TO INSTRUCT OUR CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STEVE AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT?
>> YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PATH YOU WANTED TO TAKE.
>> I LIKE THE 90 DAY BETTER, 30 DAY SEEMS QUICK.
>> HE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES WHEN WE SET OUR PRIORITIES, IF YOU REMEMBER THE STARS AND THE COLORS [LAUGHTER], IT WAS THE ONE OF THE TOP.
I THINK WE HAVE TO EXPLORE IT.
>> I THINK IT'S NOT WORTHY AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION THAT, THIS ISN'T SWAMP LAND LIKE THE, WHAT'S THE OTHER?
>> IT COULD HAVE BURIED TREASURE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT IT IS UPLANDS, SO ALL OF THAT IS DEVELOPABLE UNDER WHATEVER PLAN THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY WATER MANAGEMENT AND OTHERS.
>> I'LL BE HONEST, THAT MIGHT BE THE LONE MAN OUT WOMEN OUT, 2.2 MILLION I THINK.
WAS THAT THE ROUNDABOUT TOTAL?
>> ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT.
>> THAT'S A LOT. FIRST, TO PURCHASE THE LAND IS OVER A MILLION AND THEN I HEAR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IN AQUATIC.
A LOT OF THAT IS COVERED THROUGH FEMA AND GRANTS.
THE CULVERTS GOING TO SOLVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE PROBLEM, I AM RELUCTANT TO SPEND MONEY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW TO PURCHASE PROPERTY FOR A BIG IF.
>> A FEW THINGS, THE 10-YEAR STORM, IF WE PUMP THE MITIGATION POND,
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IF IT'S A 25-YEAR STORM, AND IF WE HAVE FEMA THAT COVERS WHAT'S GOING TO COST TO PUT IN THE MITIGATION POND IF THERE ISN'T BURIED TREASURE.>> WELL, THERE'S DEFINITELY IFS.
THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER NAME STORM WHERE DUVAL COUNTY, WILL BE DECLARED A DISASTER AREA IS PRETTY HIGH, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT FUNDING, SO THAT'S WHAT THESE PROGRAMS KICK BACK INTO GEAR AGAIN.
THAT'S AN IF. THERE'S POSSIBILITY WE CAN USE SOME OF THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE WITH FEMA NOW TO REALLOCATE SOME OF THAT, THAT'S A BIG IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> I'M SURE, YES. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB STEVE, GIVING US AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN.
>> I'M GOING TO RECAP, I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF GIVING YOU DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO COMMISSIONER RING THAT THIS WOULD HAVE AN OPT-OUT PROVISION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IT'S A 30 OR POTENTIALLY A 90-DAY INSPECTION AND FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THE CONTRACT, EVEN IF YOU GET IT AND IT DOES GIVE US TIME TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
I JOKE ABOUT BURIED TREASURE BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY DEALT WITH SOME OF OUR LAND IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
TYPICALLY, WHEN I TALK ABOUT BURIED TREASURE, IT IS NOT CHEMICALS AND THINGS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.
WHAT IT OFTEN IS JUST BURIED, TRASH, TIRES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE AND I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO LONG ON THIS, BUT SOME FEW DECADES AGO, ATLANTIC BEACH WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN ERADICATING MOSQUITOES BY FILLING IN HOLES WITH TRASH AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LOTS OF TRASH PLACES AROUND THE CITY.
ANYWAY, SO AT THIS POINT, IF I COULD GET A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF GIVING AUTHORIZATION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STEVE SWANN, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> NEXT ITEM WILL BE THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, I BELIEVE, OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX DAYS TO SPEAK TO THREE, WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE VERY WELL-QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
ONE WAS FROM ARIZONA AND ONE WAS FROM ILLINOIS AND ONE IS FROM FLORIDA.
MY THOUGHT AND I THINK I EXPRESS THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
I LIKE TO GET THE PEOPLE THREE OR TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTERVIEW PUBLICLY HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M SHOOTING FOR THE END OF JULY.
WE HAVE SOME VACATIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HERE AROUND THE 25TH, 26TH, 27TH.
MY THOUGHT WAS WE'LL HAVE SOME ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS WITH EACH COMMISSIONER.
WE'LL HAVE A MEET AND GREET LIKE WE DID IN ADELE GRAGE.
THEN LIKE WE DID NOT DO THE LAST TIME, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC INTERVIEW WHERE EACH CANDIDATE WILL COME TO THE SPEAKER DAIS.
THE COMMISSION WILL PUT UP AND DOWN AND ASK QUESTIONS.
PROBABLY AFTER THAT, WE'D HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND YOU WOULD EITHER MAKE A DECISION THAT DAY OR YOU WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING TO TAKE A VOTE AND DECIDE WHO YOU MAY WANT TO BE YOUR NEXT CITY MANAGER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FOR ME ON THAT?
>> I REALLY LIKE THIS PLAN, JOE, AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING IT ALL OUT.
MY ONLY IDEA WAS THAT MAYBE WE COULD POST ONLINE OR ON THE WEB PAGE WHERE WE ARE IN THE CITY MANAGER SEARCHES.
I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS ASKING ABOUT, WHO ARE THE CANDIDATES? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WHEN ARE THE ZOOM MEETINGS GOING TO BE HELD? AT THIS POINT, THESE ARE THE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE ALL SPOKEN TO VIA PHONE CALL TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS UP NEXT, ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR THEN MEET-AND-GREET WILL BE PLANNED.
THEN YOUR IDEA OF THE PUBLIC INTERVIEW WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY APPEASING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN DO THAT. WHEN YOU'RE DECIDE ON WHO YOU WANT TO BRING IN HERE AND THEY ACCEPT, WE CAN PUT THE RESUMES ONLINE, WE CAN PUT THE SCHEDULE ONLINE, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN BE AWARE OF WHO MEETS TO THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE TIMEFRAME.
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>> I JUST HAVE TO COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE I SEE SOME OF THE SAME COMMUNICATION TRAFFIC AND SOME CITIZENS THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A BLOW BY BLOW DAILY UPDATE NOT HAPPENING.
BUT HAVING AN UPDATE IS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DATES TONIGHT.
THE WEEK THAT JOE MENTIONED IS LITERALLY 30 DAYS FROM NOW, THAT'S THE WEEK OF THE 24TH TO THE 28TH, AND IT MIGHT EVEN PUSH INTO THE SATURDAY, THE 29TH, DEPENDS UPON PEOPLE'S SCHEDULING.
BUT YOU GOT EVERYBODY ON THIS DIETS NEEDS TO CHECK THEIR CALENDARS AND GET WITH JOE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE FOR THAT WEEK BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY THE EARLIEST WE COULD DO IT, WHICH GIVES CITIZENS PLENTY OF TIME TO BE ENGAGED, BE INFORMED, AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT BEFORE WE MOVE OFF THIS, I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I AM SO PLEASED WITH THE RESPONSES WE GOT ON THE SECOND POST.
MY OPINION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IS RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF ME, WE HAVE THREE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, THREE VERY GOOD CANDIDATES, AND COULD EVEN BE A CHALLENGE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE'S THE BEST.
JOE, DID YOU MENTION THIS ADDITIONAL RESUME THAT GOT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DID LEAVE A RESUME THAT CAME IN TODAY FROM A GENTLEMAN FROM THE CEO, JAY KILLINGSWORTH IS THE HEAD OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND HE IS NOT POINTING TO BE STICKING AROUND WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.
>> WE STILL HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY, I GUESS FIVE O'CLOCK.
>> FOR APPLICATIONS BASED ON OUR POSTING DEADLINE.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, AND OF COURSE ALL THIS SUBJECT TO VALIDATION BECAUSE WE ARE JUST ENTERING INTO THAT POINT OF DOING BACKGROUND CHECKS AND SO ON.
BUT THE CANDIDATES I'M LOOKING AT HAVEN'T BEEN FIRED RECENTLY OR IF AT ALL.
NONE OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD, BUT WE'LL SEE WHEN WE DO THAT CHECK.
BUT THEY HAVE LONGEVITY ON THEIR JOBS.
I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF CANDIDATES.
WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN OTHER MEETING.
BUT WE DO HAVE POTENTIALLY ONE MORE AND COULD EVEN BE TWO MORE, BUT THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN REAL QUICK.
THEN THE QUESTION IS BACK TO WHAT WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING IS, HOW DOES THIS FLOW WHEN WE GET INTO THAT WEEK OF INTERVIEWING? JOE, WALK WITH ME THROUGH THIS TIMELINE.
IT IF WE BROUGHT PEOPLE IN, LET'S SAY ON A WEDNESDAY, WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO FLY THEM IN EARLY ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE THAT DAY, CITY TOUR.
>> WE TRY AND GET THEM HERE AND STAFF WOULD TAKE THEM ON A TOUR CITY FACILITIES AND BASICALLY GET THEM ACCLIMATED.
NEXT DAY. THEY WOULD HAVE ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW WITH EACH OF YOU, AND THAT EVENING WE'D HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE AT ADELE GRAGE FOR A MEET-AND-GREET, AND LET THE PUBLIC COME IN AND MEET THE CANDIDATES, TALK TO THEM, GET COMFORTABLE WITH THEM OR NOT.
THEN THE NEXT DAY, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR MEETING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC INTERVIEW.
NOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IS AFTER THAT MEETING AND THAT PUBLIC INTERVIEW, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION THAT DAY? WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT, MAY BE, AND HAVE A MEETING THE FOLLOWING MONDAY AND HAVE THE WEEKEND TO HAVE SOME INTERACTION WITH YOUR CITIZENS? OR WOULD YOU JUST LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT DAY?
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO GET GO AROUND AND GET FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE ISSUE BECAUSE IT MATTERS, IT COULD HELP INFORM OUR PROSPECTS OF HOW MUCH TIME THEY'RE GOING TO DEVOTE, SO ON.
ON THE ONE HAND, IF YOU HAVE YOUR CANDIDATES ALL HERE, THINK ABOUT THIS.
LET'S ASSUME THAT ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES AS A HOME RUN AND WE HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE TO HIRE THAT PERSON.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT PERSON DOES NOT ACCEPT OUR OFFER? WOULD WE GO TO THE SECOND PERSON? PERHAPS SO, DEPENDS UPON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THAT PERSON.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT THESE CANDIDATES TO BE HERE WHEN WE'RE FORMALIZING THE OFFER? OR DO YOU WANT TO SEND THEM HOME TO WHEREVER THEY CAME FROM, AND THREE OR FOUR DAYS LATER AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING MAKE YOUR VOTE AND THEN EXTEND THE OFFER, AND IF CANDIDATE 1 DOES NOT ACCEPT THEN YOU GO TO CANDIDATE 2? I'LL OPEN IT UP THERE.
COMMISSIONER BOLE COULD USE START IT.
>> I'M OPTION 2, HAVING GONE THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
THERE'S ALSO A TIME WHERE WE NEED TO BE VERY FRANK AND CANDID WITH THE INTERVIEWEES.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE SCARY PART AND YOU MENTIONED IT.
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THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE QUALITY OF THE CANDIDATES WE TALKED TO THIS WEEKEND, WHICH YOU SAID WAS GOOD.GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SIT HERE FOREVER.
I KNOW FOR SURE AND I TOLD JOE THIS, SOME OF THEM WE TALKED TO OUR INTERVIEWING FOR OTHER CITY MANAGER JOBS.
I WOULD SAY GET THEM IN, LET THE PUBLIC MEET THEM, TALK TO THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE CALL A MEETING MONDAY AND BOOM, BECAUSE THE SOONER THE BETTER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THAT WEEK OF JULY 24TH, OUR REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING IS IN FACT MONDAY, THE 24TH.
WE WOULD BE AFTER THAT ON THIS MEETING IF WE DID WANT TO NOT WAIT A WEEK-AND-A-HALF OR WHATEVER FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WE WOULD ACTUALLY CALL A SPECIAL MEETING ON PERHAPS THE 31ST.
>> REMEMBER OUR LAST CANDIDATE WAS HIRED ABOUT A WEEK-AND-A-HALF AFTER.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE A LOT OF TIME IN THERE.
>> YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
>> THINK A COUPLE OF DAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S THE MOST.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MAYBE I'M THINKING TOO MUCH IMPORTANCE TO SWEEP, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW CANDIDATES THIS WEEK WITH THE DEADLINE BEING FRIDAY.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHILE WHOEVER THE CANDIDATES ARE HERE, I'D RATHER SEND THEM BACK.
SOMETHING'S JUST GET THROUGH FRIDAY AND WE'LL SEE WHO'S THERE AND GET THEM IN QUICK AS WE CAN.
>> THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IF WE DO THAT IS, WHAT IF WE DO GET TO MORE VALID CANDIDATES THIS WEEK AND NOW WE'RE AT FIVE SOLID CANDIDATES.
DO WE WANT A SHORTLIST BELOW THAT? BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO DO A MEET-AND-GREET AND INTERVIEW SESSION OVER THE COUPLE OF DAY PERIOD WITH FIVE DIFFERENT CANDIDATES, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH.
>> WHY DON'T WE DO WHAT WE DID BEFORE? SAY WE EACH PICK OUR TOP 3.
I'VE ALREADY SENT JOE MY NAMES FROM THIS WEEKEND.
THEN YOU FIND THE COLUMNS OF THE GUYS AND THE TOP 3. DO THE MATH.
IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE IN HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT RESUMES, TALK THEM ON THE PHONE, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO AND GET IT DOWN TO THREE. THAT'S MY OPINION.
WILL ALL THREE OF THEM BE HERE AT THE SAME TIME? [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE CANNOT SAY TO THEM.
YOU CANNOT ATTEND WHILE THE OTHER PERSON.
BUT I THINK COMMON COURTESY AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BE HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SIT IN AN OFFICE IN CITY HALL.
>> FIRST WE CALL ALL THREE, WE SEND TO ALL OR BRING ALL THREE OF THEM TO ATLANTIC BEACH BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM OUT-OF-STATE EXCEPT FOR ONE.
IS THAT THE DAY YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE 26TH OF JULY? IF THEY'RE ALL HERE AND THEN THEY'RE IN-HOUSE.
THEN WE EACH GIVE OUR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS WITH THEM WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
THEN THURSDAY IS THE NIGHT FOR ADELE GRAGE.
WE WILL EITHER BRING THEM IN HERE THE 26TH TO THE 27TH.
I'M THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THEM UP FOR TWO NIGHTS.
>> RIGHT. IF JOE DID THAT, THE 26TH WOULD SIMPLY BE GETTING HERE AND MAYBE DOING A VISIT AROUND THE TOWN.
>> THEN THE INTERVIEWS WOULD START ON THE 27TH.
THE ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS WOULD BE ON THE 27TH, MAYBE THE 28TH, WHICH IS A FRIDAY, IS THE MEET-AND-GREET AT ADELE, AND THEN SATURDAY,.
>> THE 27TH WOULD BE INTERVIEWS AND MEET-AND-GREET IN THE EVENING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
>> THE ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS DURING THE DAY THEN AT NIGHT IS THE MEET-AND-GREET IN THE EVENING.
THEN THE PUBLIC INTERVIEW, THAT ONE.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT DAY.
>> THAT'D BE FRIDAY, AND WE HAVEN'T MADE A FINAL DECISION HERE.
AT THAT MEETING WE COULD DECIDE ON WHO WE WISH TO EXTEND AN OFFER.
OR WE COULD A PRE DECIDED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING OR EVEN A SPECIAL MEETING.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLE, YOU WERE SAYING, CAN YOU ELABORATE WHICH OPTION YOU SAID OPTION 2 BUT I WAS LOST IN THE OPTIONS?
>> I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE. I THINK OUR CITY MANAGER CAN GO AHEAD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN.
OPTION 2 WAS WE CUT IT DOWN TO THREE INSTEAD OF FIVE, AND WE BRING THEM IN AND QUICKLY BY MONDAY, HAVE A VOTE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED.
>> IT'S OKAY. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, JOE IS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THESE GUYS.
I THINK THAT HE CAN FIGURE OUT THE CALENDAR AND ON JULY 10TH, COME IN AND TELL US WHAT THE PLAN IS IF
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WE GIVE THEM THE CANDIDATES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?>> I PERSONALLY THINK HAVING CUT TO ALL THREE OF THAT.
THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD CANDIDATES AND IF THERE ARE ANYMORE IN THE WOODWORK, THEN COME ON OUT NOW BECAUSE THEY THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD SELECTION.
>> YEAH WE DO. I THINK WE'VE GOT DIRECTION FOR YOU JOE TO JUST KEEP WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE.
>> OKAY, [OVERLAPPING] I MAKE PLANS TO BRING THEM INHERIT THOSE DATES THAT WE DISCUSSED GOING TO PAY TO BRING THE SPOUSES.
>> LAMAR'S WIFE, HE'S GOING TO GEOGRAPHIC BACHELOR FOUR-YEAR? IS THEIR DAUGHTER'S IN HIGH SCHOOL?
>> SO HE WILL BE COMING BY HIMSELF THE FIRST YEAR.
>> OKAY. WELL, I GUESS WE'D PROBABLY WANT TO LET HIS WIFE COME ALONG.
>> SO WE HAVE THE THREE, MR. STRAW, MR. LAMAR, AND MR. NEW?
>> WELL, BRING THEM IN. NOW, WE'LL SEE THAT IF WE GET A GOOD CANDIDATE, THAT I PASS ALONG TO YOU WHEN YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK TO THEM.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF HARM IN HAVING A FOURTH-YEAR.
SO GENERALLY, THERE'S ONE THAT'S GOING TO DROP OUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.
SO IF WE GO TO FOUR, WE STICK WITH IT AND IF ALL FOUR SHOW UP, THEN WE JUST DEAL WITH IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE NEWEST CANDIDATE.
>> THE OTHER THING IS IF THERE'S NEWEST CANDIDATE IS SOMEONE YOU WANT, AND WE'VE GOT FOUR, WE CAN JUST CUT IT OFF, PULL YOU OUT AND WE'LL BE DONE.
>> ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE ALL SET ON THAT, JOE?
>> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 448.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS A. Parks Master Plan (Commissioner Kelly) ]
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMISSIONER KELLY REPORT ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK TO SLASH SPREAD NOW. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT LATER.
>> WE'VE GOT A RESOLUTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WANTED THAT INFORMATION THERE SO YOU GUYS COULD HAVE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SORT OF [NOISE]..
>> AS TO HOW THE PARK'S PLAN REOPENED BECAUSE EXCEPT FOR JOE, NO ONE ELSE HERE ON THE DIAS WAS HERE WHEN WE MADE IT.
IT WAS MADE THROUGH NEARLY COMPLETELY ONLY FROM CITIZEN INPUT.
WE HAVE THREE REPRESENTATIVES FROM REC DEPARTMENT HERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TIME FOR US TO REOPEN IT PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE VIGOROUS LOBBY FROM THE PICKLEBALL LISTS, AND THE VIGOROUS DEFENSE ON PART OF THE TENNIS PLAYERS.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE PARKS PLAN SAYS AND THINK ABOUT PERHAPS WHAT TRAINING NEEDS TO PUT IN THE BUDGET ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OR HOW WE CAN DECIDE HOW MANY MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS TO ADD OR HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS TO SACRIFICE ON THE ALTAR OF PICKLEBALL? BRIAN.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M BRIAN BROUGHT OUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN CAME AS A COMMISSION PRIORITY BACK IN 2019.
THE PROCESS ACTUALLY BEGAN BEFORE THAT IN 2018 WITH A COMMUNITY SURVEY, IN WHICH WE GOT 291 RESPONSES AND 288 OF THOSE WERE ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS.
WE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN THE PROCESS.
THE FIRST ONE BEING IN DECEMBER OF 2018.
THEN IN OCTOBER OF 2019, WE HAD A TWO DAY PUBLIC DESIGN CHARRETTE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS TO INFORM AND GUIDE DECISION-MAKING RELATIVE TO THE OVERSIGHT OF PARKS, FACILITIES, AND PROGRAMMINGS INTO 2030 AND BEYOND AND SERVE AS A LONG-RANGE DOCUMENT TO SHAPE THE DIRECTION, DEVELOPMENT, AND DELIVERY OF THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM.
THE FORMAT WAS EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, EXISTING PARKS, INCLUDING INVENTORY AND MAPS,
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AND THEN A PARK-BY-PARK ANALYSIS, WHICH INCLUDED THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, EXISTING CONDITIONS, COMMUNITY INPUT RELATED TO THAT SPECIFIC PARK, STAFF INPUT, AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS.PROGRESS REPORT, TODAY INCLUDES THE WALKING PATH AND DOG OBSTACLE COURSE AT AB DOG PARK.
SPLASH PAD IS IN PROGRESS AND PARALLEL PARKING HAS BEEN INSTALLED AT DONNER.
THEN ALSO, WE'VE HAD RESTROOM FACILITIES AT VETERANS PARK, AND FEW OTHER PROJECTS.
THEN THE REMAINING RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WITHIN OUR 10-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS SCHEDULED FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
SO TO OPEN UP THE PARK, WE SUGGEST BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, MAYBE ONLINE SURVEY, AND TO GATHER MORE FEEDBACK BEFORE UPDATING THE PLAN.
THEN TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE RACQUETBALL COURT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE UTILIZE THE RACQUETBALL COURT? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE OUR SOLUTION TO THE PICKUP BALL AND TENNIS BALL? RIGHT? [LAUGHTER]
>> IT IS A POSSIBILITY FOR THE RACQUETBALL COURT WE DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON USAGE, AND THE COMMUNITY INPUT WAS VERY BROAD, THERE WAS A LONG RANGE OF SUGGESTIONS.
WE PUT THOSE IN THE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.
>> IS THERE A RELUCTANCE BEHIND CHANGING THE RACQUETBALL COURT INTO PICKLEBALL, OR POSSIBLE TENNIS COURTS BECAUSE OF FUNDING?
>> FUNDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT FUNDING.
>> IN 2020, NO ONE HAD IT SAID THE WORD PICKLEBALL.
WE HAD THIS UNUSED LUMP OF CEMENT OVER HERE AND SO THERE WERE A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE COULD CONVERT IT TO BUT WE NEVER DECIDED.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT PICKLEBALL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF ANNOYING NOISE THAT IT MAKES THAT POM, POM, POM.
[LAUGHTER] THERE'S PRETTY MUCH STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE RACQUETBALL COURT IS NOW.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT CONVERTING.
THE SECOND THING IS, OF COURSE THIS FACILITY WOULD HAVE TO BE TOTALLY TORN DOWN.
AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY LOSE SOME OF THOSE PINE TREES IF YOU COULD CONVERT THAT TO A PICKLEBALL AREA.
>> I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, BECAUSE I WAS SPEAKING TO A CITIZEN TODAY THAT HAD DONE A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, AND APPARENTLY THOSE RACQUETBALL COURTS ARE WITHIN, I THINK A FOOT OR SO OF MEETING THE LENGTH DIMENSIONS FOR PICKLEBALL COURT.
THE PROBLEM HOWEVER, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY NEED AND I WOULD ASK JOE, IF YOU CAN HAVE THIS DONE IS TO JUST PULL OUT OUR SURVEY OF THAT PROPERTY, AND LET'S JUST LOOK AT IT AND ASSESS FROM THAT.
IT MAY BE HAVE BRIAN WORK ON PUTTING IN SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS.
I DO NOT ASSUME, THAT THE DIRECTIONAL ANGLES OF THOSE RACQUETBALL COURTS WOULD BE WHAT YOU'D WANT TO PUT PICKLEBALL COURTS ON.
MEANING YOU MIGHT WANT TO STRAIGHTEN ALL THAT STUFF OUT.
BUT I DO WANT TO OPINE ON SOMETHING, BECAUSE OF THE REASONS.
WHO KNOWS WHY PICKLEBALL HAS BECOME THE SENSATION OF THE AGE? ONLY A BLIND PERSON WOULD NOT KNOW, THAT PICKLEBALL IS HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER TODAY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE PLAYING IT, AND ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO A DEEP STUDY ON, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN HAVING MORE PICKLEBALL.
WHAT MY CONCERN IS, DO WE REVERT BACK TO NOT DOING ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS, AND CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND CROSS THE T'S AND THE I'S AND TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE MAYBE DO SOMETHING WITH PICKLEBALL.
YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE US TO DO SOMETHING SOONER.
I THINK THAT IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY, TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE I BELIEVE OUR CITY MANAGER IS VERY ADEPT AT GOING BACK TO OUR CURRENT BUDGET, AND IDENTIFYING IF WE DO OR DO NOT HAVE FUNDS, THAT MIGHT BE MOVED TO A LOW-COST RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT ORIGINALLY WE WERE DISCUSSING IN DONNER PARK.
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NOTHING IS INEXPENSIVE TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOW-COST WOULD BE, BECAUSE DONNER PARK EVEN THAT REQUIRED MOVE EXPANDING THE WIDTH OF THE TENNIS COURTS SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS ON IT.BUT THAT REQUIRED RELOCATING UTILITIES.
WE HAVE WATER AND ELECTRIC IN THAT AREA OF THE FENCE LINE, FOR THE SIDE OF THAT TENNIS COURTS.
>> REALISTICALLY IT WOULD NOT BE A THIS YEAR PROJECT.
WE CANNOT COMPLETE THAT IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FIGURED INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
>> WELL, SO AND ACTUALLY THIS IS NOT A BAD SEGUE.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING THAT WHEN WE START MEETING, AND CONVENING ON OUR BUDGET.
>> YES, YOU DO. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO, IS DECIDE THE FUTURE OF THAT TENNIS COURT OVER IN DONNER PARK.
I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH DECISION, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO COME BRING THE HEAD, AND MOVE ON WITH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO SPEND MONEY EQUITABLY ACROSS THE CITY, AGAIN IN ALL NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST MORE MONEY IN PICKLEBALL, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTING? FOR EXAMPLE, THE BICYCLE REPAIR STATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN AT THE FERRY, AND NOW THEY HAVE ONE IN NEPTUNE BEACH TOO.
WE COULD PUT [INAUDIBLE] THE BICYCLE PEOPLE TEND TO CONGREGATE.
I MEAN, WE MADE BIKE SAFETY IT MIGHT PROGRAMS, A GOAL THIS YEAR, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR IT.
WE WANT TO BE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE CITY, AND YOU CAN MAKE UP CASE THAT PICKLEBALL IS A GOOD SENIOR ACTIVITY.
ALTHOUGH KIDS PLAY IT TOO, BECAUSE OUR CENSUS SHOWS THAT WE HAVE A GROWING POPULATION OF SENIORS.
>> BUT ACTUALLY THE RESULTS OF MY STUDY IS, IT'S MORE ABOUT YOUNGER PEOPLE NOW THAN SENIORS, BUT I THINK IT'S ALL AGE GROUPS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.
BUT SURPRISINGLY, THE 30 SOMETHING YEAR OLD CROWD IS PLAYING A LOT OF PICKLEBALL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FOR US ON ANY DRAWINGS YOU'VE DONE, OR ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THIS?
>> NO. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ADDING PICKLEBALL.
WE DID DO THE SKETCH AND DONNER PARK OF EXPANDING THAT BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE UTILITIES.
I ADD AN EXTRA SLIDE, JUST IN CASE ANY TIME PICKLEBALL WAS MENTIONED.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, IT'S JUST FROM THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, RANKING PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS, AND THEN COMMUNITY SUGGESTIONS.
>> WHAT ARE THE COLORS? WE CAN'T SEE.
>> THE GREEN IS VERY IMPORTANT.
DARK BLUE IS SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT.
AND THEN GRAY IS THEY DIDN'T ANSWER, NOT APPLICABLE.
>> THIS IS COMING FROM YOUR SURVEY?
>> YES, IT'S 2018 ONLINE SURVEY.
>> AND THERE ARE FOUR PERMANENT.
>> THERE WAS NO PICKLEBALL THEN.
>> THERE ARE FOUR PERMANENT PICKLEBALL COURTS AT DONNER?
>> THAT WAS A COMMUNITY SUGGESTION.
>> THAT WAS BEFORE ONE TENNIS COURT WAS CONVERTED TO PICKLEBALL.
>> BRIAN, HOW MANY PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE AT DONNER?
>> YEAH, FOUR PERMANENT PICKLEBALL COURTS.
>> THERE ARE FOUR PERMANENT AT DONNER, AND THEN HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS ARE AT DONNER?
>> ONE. AND I THINK THE ARGUMENT IS THAT, THE PICKLE BALL COURTS USE THE ONE TENNIS COURT TO PLAY PICKLEBALL.
>> YEAH, PICKLEBALL IS STRIPED ON THE TENNIS COURT.
>> I'VE TALKED TO PICKLEBALL PEOPLE, AND THEY SEEM TO LIKE HAVING ONE PICKLEBALL COURT IN ONE PHASE, WHICH IS LESS DESIRABLE TO THEM THAN HAVING THEM CLUSTERED, BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT'S LIKE PUTTING YOUR QUARTERS ON THE POOL TABLE.
YOU PLAY A GAME, AND THEN YOU ROTATE OUT, AND THEN LIKE YOU ROTATE INTO THE NEXT ONE THAT'S AVAILABLE, SO THEY WOULD PREFER TO BE TOGETHER.
>> THAT'S MY ASSESSMENT TOO, IN THE THINKING THAT I HAD WHEN I FIRST MET WITH THEM IS IN RESPECT FOR THE TENNIS PLAYERS, THAT PLAY A LOT OF TENNIS AT JACK RUSSELL IS TRY TO LEAVE THAT ALONE, AND THAT BE A HUB FOR TENNIS, AND DONNER PARK BE A HUB FOR PICKLEBALL.
NOW OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CITIZEN OR TWO OR THREE, THAT ARE OBJECT TO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S ONLY A CITIZEN OR TWO OR THREE, THEY HAVE A 50 PERSON PETITION FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE FRIENDS OF THEIRS, BUT NOT PLAYING AT DONNER PARK.
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THIS THING IS SO HEAVILY WEIGHTED IN FAVOR OF DOING SOMETHING WITH PICKLEBALL.NOW LET ME JUST ALSO SAY THIS THIS IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION IS, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE UP TREES FOR PICKLEBALL OR TENNIS? BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER SOLUTION.
>> YES, THEY WILL PICK AT YOU [LAUGHTER].
>> I KNOW THAT. THAT IS ANOTHER SOLUTION AT DONNER PARK, IS WHERE THE PINE TREES ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TENNIS COURT OR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THAT WOULD BE ROOM FOR MORE PICKLEBALL, BUT IT REQUIRES REMOVAL OF TREES.
>> I FEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET LOCKED UP AS A COMMISSION.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN, A YEAR FROM NOW. THAT'S MY CONCERN.
>> WELI, I WANT TO DECIDE IT AS SOON, AS FAR FOR TO GET EMAILS ABOUT IT.
THE PARKING IS THE OTHER ISSUE, IF WE EXPANDED OVER DONNER PARK TOO.
>> BRIAN DID A WONDERFUL MARKUP ON THAT, WHEN HE EXPANDED THAT TENNIS COURT TO ALLOW FOR FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
YOU DID TWO DIFFERENT DRAWINGS ON THE PARKING, ONE OF THEM ADDING LIKE SIX SPACES. AM I WRONG?
>> YEAH, THERE WAS PARALLEL PARKING, ANGLE PARKING, AND THEN LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL LAND.
>> PLUS I ALSO WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS.
IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE, THAT MY FRIENDS IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH ON MY REQUEST, FOR DESIGNATED PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT NYLAND ROAD.
BUT OUR CITIZENS HAVE TAKEN IT, ON UNDER THEMSELVES TO JUST HANDLE THAT.
THEY PARKED NICELY ON AN ANGLED PARK, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CARS PARKED ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.
SO WE'RE GETTING RELIEF ON PARKING THERE.
WE ACTUALLY ARE PARKING IT, IT'S DOESN'T LOOK SO GOOD, BUT WE'RE GETTING PARKING ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, WHERE WE HAVE THAT DRAINAGE DITCH, BUT THE CARS SEEMED TO FIT INTO THAT.
[LAUGHTER] THEN FINALLY, IF WE'VE GOT SOME RELIEF ON THE EXPANSION WHERE YOU ADDED SIX OR EIGHT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
>> WHAT DO WE NEED INFORMATION WISE TO MAKE THIS DECISION ON THIS LAST TENNIS COURT? WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION?
>> [OVERLAPPING] DIRECT COMMITTEE IS HERE, LET'S ASK THEM.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU FREE? [LAUGHTER].
>> GOOD EVENING. I'LL BE BACK UP IN A FEW MINUTES.
>> PICKLEBALLS GREAT. IT'S PEOPLE LOVE IT.
PEOPLE LOVE DOING IT, I'S GREAT.
WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.
I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME PROBLEMS, WITH THE PICKLEBALL PEOPLE AND SOME, WAS IT TRINA, SOME VANDALISM OR SOMETHING, AND LIGHTS ON LATE AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING.
I THINK WE NEED TO POLICE IT BETTER.
THERE WERE LIGHTS ON IT. MIDNIGHT, DID YOU SAY?
>> THEY REWIRED THE LIGHTING SYSTEM.
>> THEY REWIRED THE LIGHTING SYSTEMS TO PLAY AT MIDNIGHT.
>> THE CITIZEN STATE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I JUST FOUND THIS OUT THIS MORNING.
TRINA COULD GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS AS SHE TOLD ME THAT THIS MORNING.
I THINK THEY FEEL VERY ENTITLED TO THOSE COURTS.
THAT'S WHY WE ELECT YOU TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
WE'RE A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY.
[OVERLAPPING] DOES ANYBODY PLAY TENNIS IN THAT TENNIS COURT? DO WE KNOW?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THAT THEY USE IT. YES.
>> I'VE SEEN PEOPLE PLAY TENNIS THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
>> THEY'VE SAID THEY'VE BEEN KICKED OFF BY THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS.
>> THAT'S NOT NICE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK THAT EVERYTHING HERE TAKES FOREVER, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I THINK THAT WHEN CHANGES GET MADE REALLY FAST, MISTAKES GET MADE AND MONEY GETS MISSPENT.
SO I'VE WAITED FOREVER AND WATCHED AND TRIED TO HELP AND DO WHAT I CAN, TO HAVE THE SPLASH PAD COME TO FRUITION ON ITS THIRD VOTE.
I JUST DON'T SEE JUMPING THE LINE AS A GOOD THING.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT THE CITY DOES ALL THIS.
EVERYBODY MAKES FUN OF THE CHARADES WITH THE STICKIES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE BEST PART OF GOVERNMENT.
I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE AND SAY WHAT THEY NEED.
I'M ALL FOR THE PLANNING, THE FOLLOWING THE PLANNING, AND WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
NOT HAVING SOMEBODY, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, COME IN JUMP THE LINE.
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>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO GET IT OUT THERE, AND WE'LL KEEP REVISITING IT UNTIL WE KILL IT OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
>> DO WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER SURVEY?
>> A SURVEY SUCH AS THE ONE THAT BRIAN PUT UP?
>> WAS THAT A MONKEY SURVEY, BRIAN?
>> I CAN DO ANOTHER MONKEY SURVEY.
>> DO WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR NOT? BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM ACROSS THE DITCH.
I'M THROWN OUT THERE. WHO ARE WE PAYING FOR HERE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] AND TO MY CONCERN ABOUT FOR PROFIT COMPANIES USING OUR FACILITIES FOR PROFIT.
I JUST THINK IT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AT SOME PARTICULAR POINT.
>> IN MEANTIME, PERHAPS A PLACEHOLDER FOR SOME PICKLEBALL CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR?
>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES, AND TRY AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR THE BUDGET PROCESS.
>> FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
LET'S ACTUALLY HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER REPORTS.
WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.
>> KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT JOE SAID, AND I KNOW I MENTIONED IT, JASON.
NOT ONLY FOR PROFIT ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S A LIABILITY ISSUE JUST LIKE THERE IS ANYWHERE.
SO IF SOMEONE IS HURT, INJURED, GOD KNOWS, ON CITY PROPERTY, THAT'S A LIABILITY ISSUE.
I LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITIES AND IN FACT, THEY DO COVER THAT LIABILITY INSURANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A FEE.
IF I'M TEACHING TENNIS OVER HERE, [NOISE] I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT IN ORDER [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT ONLY [NOISE] A COMMONSENSE THING, IT'S ALSO A CITY LIABILITY THING, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND GO GATORS. IT'S ALL I GOT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY?
>> LAND DEVELOPMENT MEETING THAT COMMISSIONER RING MENTIONED.
I WENT TO BOTH OF THEM, AND THE AFTERNOON ONE HAD MAYBE SIX CITIZENS THERE. BRIAN IS ALREADY GONE.
ONLY ABOUT SIX CITIZENS, AND NONE OF THEM APPEARED TO BE REALTORS OR DEVELOPERS.
THEY WERE PEOPLE I RECOGNIZED.
THE SIX O'CLOCK MEETING, NO ONE CAME.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT IF WE WENT AHEAD AND PASS THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SCREAMING THE HOUSE DOWN, THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
AND PEOPLE DID NOT COME TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
IT WAS SCINTILLATING, YOU SHOULD HAVE COME.
MS. STEVENS PROBLEM WITH WATER BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT IN THAT, THE WATER REDUCTION GOAL WAS PASSED BY THE COMMISSION, AND THE ESC HAS BEEN RUNNING WITH IT A LOT.
JARED BALDWIN HAS REALLY DONE A LOT FOR THAT PROGRAM, BUT WE NEED TO DO BETTER WITH THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT INTERSECT WITH WATER USAGE.
I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING COMING FROM THE WATER DEPARTMENT OR WATER BILLING, ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING AT REDUCING OUR WATER.
SO COULD WE GET THE REST OF THE CITY ON BOARD? IT'S ONLY 15%, LIKE TURN THE WATER OFF WHEN YOU BRUSH YOUR TEETH.
>> I'D LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, IF I MAY.
>> QUESTION FOR OUR CITY MANAGER.
WE ARE NOT ELECTRONIC ON OUR WATER METER READING, CORRECT?
>> BUT I ASSUME THAT CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH MUST BE BECAUSE, AND THAT'S BEACHES ENERGY ALSO HANDLES THEIR WATER, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON A PROPERTY I OWNED IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH, IF I HAD A LEAK, THEY NOTIFIED ME WITHIN DAYS OR WITHIN HOURS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE COULD EXPLORE.
>> WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL UP THE HISTORY OF 30 DAYS.
>> WELL YOU DO HAVE TO ASK, YES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
I WILL LOOK INTO THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF YOU COULD START THAT, IT'S SURELY WILL NOT BE RESOLVED WHILE YOU'RE HERE, BUT YOU COULD START THAT FOR US, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.
BUT I THINK IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT CONTROL OF OUR USE OF WATER,
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STEVE, DO YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT?>> I DO. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT'S CALLED AN AMI, WHICH IS AUTOMATIC METER READING.
JAX BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM.
AND IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO INSTANTANEOUSLY ALERT SOMEONE, WHEN THERE'S A LEAK AT THEIR HOUSE.
>> ANY IDEA HOW EXPENSIVE THAT IS TO INSTALL?
>> VERY, BUT IT'S ALL IN THE FINANCING.
WE HAD LOOKED INTO IT, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT IT WASN'T A PRIORITY OF CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, SORT OF IT FELL BY THE WAYSIDE.
TROY STEVENS IS THE UTILITY DIRECTOR, AND I KEEP KICKING THIS AROUND WHEN IT'S TIME TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
BUT IT'S OUT THERE, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING AT OVER HERE.
>> I WONDER IF I CAN SAY THIS IN THIS FORUM NOT TO TAKE AWAY JOBS, BUT IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER TIME THROUGH ATTRITION, WOULD WE NOT NEED AS MANY METER READERS?
>> I THINK THE METER READERS WILL BE REALLOCATED TO RUNNING DOWN THESE PROBLEMS. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE METERS THAT WORK WITH THESE AUTOMATIC SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST HAVE TO BE RETROFITTED WITH THE RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICE THAT COMES TO CITY HALL AND DOWNLOADS INTO OUR COMPUTER [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO THAT INCREMENTALLY SAFE.
>> WE CAN DO IT INCREMENTALLY.
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER SUGGESTION OR QUESTION.
THAT IS, WHILE WE'RE DOING SIGNIFICANT ROAD REWORK IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE'RE DOING THE FORCE MAINE DOWN, SHERRY, RIGHT?
>> ARE WE DOING A SEWER LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE BASE THROUGH [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S JUST WATER. YES, SIR.
>> WHILE WE'RE PUTTING THAT WATERLINE IN, DOES IT COST A HECK OF A LOT MORE TO ADD A GRAY WATER LINE THAT COULD BE CAPPED BUT USED IN THE FUTURE WITH GRAY WATER FROM THE CLUB?
>> COST A LOT MORE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DIGGING A HOLE AND PUTTING A PIPE IN IT, THE LINES HAVE TO BE SEPARATED BY [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE DRILLING MOST OF IT ANYHOW.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DRILLING UNDERGROUND AND DON'T DIG A HOLE.
>> WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE THAT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BASE ABOUT US TAKING RECLAIMED WATER TO THE BASE.
THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BOUNCED AROUND FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO.
>> MORE TO COME. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. THANKS, STEVE.
>> I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. TO LANDFILL MY BUDGET.
THE LAST ONE WAS, I TOOK MY TODDLER TO WILD WONDERS.
YOU GET THE HOWL, THE SNAKE, AND THE LIZARD.
AWESOME PROGRAM. I DON'T HOW WE EVER FOUND THOSE PEOPLE, BUT THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND I'M SORRY TO SEE THEY'RE TAKING THE SUMMER OFF.
I CAN'T BLAME THEM. WHEN DO THEY COME BACK? IN WHEN?
THANK YOU, SO THAT WAS GREAT, THEY REALLY LIKED IT.
>> YES. THE WATER [BACKGROUND].
>> I DON'T HAVE MUCH, JUST THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.
I HELD MY THREE PHONE CALLS AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE THREE CANDIDATES, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT KEVIN AND JOE HAVE DONE TO HELP PUSH THAT THROUGH.
JUST MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS TO POST ONLINE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO OUR CITIZENS. THEY'RE VERY INVOLVED.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WATERS.
>> I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE STOP COMMITTEE STARTING NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE 5TH.
I'VE TALKED WITH SOME RESIDENTS I ACTUALLY LIKE WHAT CINDY ANDERSON AND MR. STEVEN FOIKER SAID ABOUT THE DISCOUNTED TO HANNA PARK.
WE TRIED TO DO THAT WITH COJ, THE LAST COMMISSION.
IT DIDN'T REALLY GAIN ANY GROUND AT ALL.
MAYBE THE SURPLUS PROPERTY CAN HELP US GAIN THAT GROUND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY INTERESTED, REACH OUT TO YOUR FELLOW DISTRICT COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THAT STOP COMMITTEE.
I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT, BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WERE MIXED WITH THE LAST COMMISSION, THAT REALLY FEEL LIKE WOULD BENEFIT US.
I WANT TO GET GOLF CART PARKING AND ALL ACCESSES, I WANT TO GET GOLF CART COUNTING FOR BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT.
WE NEED SOME SCOOTER PARKING, NEED TO BE MORE STRATEGIC ABOUT BICYCLES, AND THEN I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT THEM GETTING GOING AND TAKING THE PRESSURE OFF THIS COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND THE STAFF.
ABSOLUTELY. I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR HIM, JUST CONTACT YOUR DISTRICT COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
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>> I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IN THE BUDGET A COUPLE OF THOSE FANCY CROSSWALK DEVICES BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO PUT SOME IN.
WE MIGHT AS WELL BUDGET AND SAY YOU CAN HAVE THREE.
>> COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU CAME UP WITH A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE BICYCLE REPAIRS.
I SEE THE AIR PUMP STATIONS ALONG WITH TOOLS AND THEY'RE IN NEPTUNE BEACH IN THERE AND JACK'S BEACH WHERE THE ONLY BEACH THAT DOESN'T HAVE THEM.
>> WE'RE OPENING UP. I GO TO THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY AND GUESS WHAT I HEAR ABOUT, PARKING.
I NOMINATED SOMEONE THAT WAS ACCEPTED ON THE COMMITTEE THAT IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY AND A MEMBER OF THE PARKING COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME VERY DIVERGENT OPINIONS.
I NEED MY EMPLOYEES TO HAVE PARKING SPOTS.
I NEED MY CUSTOMERS TO HAVE PARKING SPOTS, AND I NEED THEM IN THIS TIME FRAME.
THAT'S A MONUMENTAL PROBLEM, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VOICE ON THERE THAT REPRESENTS TWO ENTITIES.
I HOPE I'VE MADE MY CLEAR TO HIM, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL SPEAK LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT.
>> HAVE WE EVER FORMERLY DECIDE, GIVEN OURSELVES PERMISSION TO SPEND THE PARKING MONEY ON SOMETHING?
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY RIGHT NOW.
>> FOR TELSEN. I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
>> MAYBE YOU CAN USE THAT FOR CROSSWALKS OR SOMETHING.
>> TO GET US BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE THIS WAS A SHORT SEGMENT OF OUR AGENDA.
THANK YOU MR. BOLE FOR THE SEGUE ON MY TOPIC.
I'M VERY CONCERNED IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE WITH TRANSPARENCY IN THIS CITY.
I WANT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU HAVE WRITTEN TO ME BY EMAIL, SOME OF YOU HAVE CALLED ME EVER SINCE THE WINDSCREEN OR THE PRIVACY SCREEN WENT UP AT 42 EAST COAST DRIVE, WHICH IS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT RIGHT BEHIND COOP 303.
PEOPLE ARE REACHING IN AND SAYING HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HANDLE PARKING AND SO ON.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY DISCOVERY IS THAT I THINK THAT WE HAVE IMPROPERLY ISSUED A PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT THAT BUILDING ON THAT LOT.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT GO INTO THE PERMITTING OF PROPERTY, AND THAT'S A SPECIAL CBD, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING FROM AHERN INTO TOWN CENTER, ABBUTING ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.
BUT WHAT THAT APPLICANT APPLIED FOR WAS A MIXED-USE OFFICE AND RETAIL SPACE, NO RESTAURANT.
THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE APPROVAL OF THE PERMIT BASED ON USING TANDEM PARKING, WHICH REQUIRES PERPETUAL VALET PARKING.
I FIND THAT PROBLEMATIC, BUT I DO NOT FIND THAT IN THIS AGREEMENT WITH OUR CITY CODE.
THEY WERE FOLLOWING CODE ON THAT.
THEY'VE ALSO LIBERALLY USED OUR CODE TO CONVERT PARKING SPACES INTO BICYCLE SPACES, SO FOUR BICYCLES SPACES EQUAL ONE PARKING SPACE.
THERE'S PARKING THAT WE'VE LOST FOR BICYCLES AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY BICYCLES SPACES WERE IN THERE, BUT IT WAS 40 SOMETHING OR 70 SOMETHING.
IT WAS A LOT OF BICYCLE SPACES FOR THAT BUILDING.
THAT I ALSO DO NOT FIND IN THIS AGREEMENT WITH OUR CITY CODE.
WHAT I DO FIND TO BE IN THIS AGREEMENT, AND I THINK IT'S SERIOUS AND I'LL GET MY SOLUTION ON THAT IN A SECOND [NOISE] WHETHER IT'S SPECIFICALLY [NOISE] WRITTEN IN THAT PORTION OF THE CODE OR NOT, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK CITY MANAGER JOE GERRITY TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
THE NEXT THING IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR A RESTAURANT AND YET THEY CAME BACK AFTER REQUEST BY JOE GERRITY TO CLARIFY THAT THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR A RESTAURANT.
RESTAURANT IS PLASTERED ON THE WINDSCREEN.
RESTAURANT IS IN THE WEBSITE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
SO IT'S PRETTY GOOD LIKELIHOOD THEY'RE GOING TO WANT A RESTAURANT.
THEY ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO THE CITY CLARIFICATION COMMUNICATION THAT THEY HAD NOT REQUESTED A RESTAURANT.
BUT THEN JOE, I BELIEVE YOU TOLD ME THAT THEY DID COME BACK AND SAY THEY WANTED TO FIND
[01:35:02]
OUT WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO PERFECT THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE A RESTAURANT?>> LET ME GO TO WHERE I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT A MINUTE AGO WHERE I FIND A PROBLEM IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND ISSUANCE OF THIS PERMIT IS THE COMPUTATION FOR THE NUMBER OF CARS BASED ON THE USE REQUEST OF OFFICE AND RETAIL.
THEY USED INSIDE MEASUREMENTS OF THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF WALL TO WALL EXTERIOR, AND THEY EXCLUDED ALL COMMON AREAS.
IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, THEIR COMMON AREAS WOULD BE HALLWAYS, BATHROOMS IN ANY LOBBY.
THAT IS MULTIPLE AUTOMOBILE SPACES IN THE EXCHANGE.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO OVERREACT AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS SIMPLY MY DISCOVERY IN MY TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR JOE GERRITY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND SPEAK TO PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO UNDERSTAND IF EVERYTHING WAS PROPERLY DONE BY THE REQUESTER OF THAT PERMIT, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER, AND ASSUMING THAT IS THE CASE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.
WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN THE FUTURE, BOTH ON FUTURE PERMITS IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, BUT ALSO ON THE USE OF A VERY LIBERAL POLICY THAT WE'VE USED NOW TWICE BEFORE.
ONE WAS ON COOP 303 AND THE OTHER WAS ATLANTIC BEACH BARBECUE AND THAT IS OFFSITE VALET PARKING, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO USE THAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE OFFSITE TO PUT THE CARS AND THERE ARE VERY FEW PLACES OFFSITE.
IN FACT, THE IRONY OF THIS IS 42 EAST COAST WAS THE SELECTED SPACE OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE OFFSITE PARKING FOR COOP 303.
NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OFFSITE PARKING, WHICH IS HOW WE AGREED TO PERMIT COOP 303, SO ENOUGH ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S MY NOTICE TO THIS COMMISSION INTO OUR CITY THAT THERE IS SOMETHING QUESTIONABLE THERE.
>> SPEAKING THE AHERN STREET, BEFORE HE LEFT, CITY MANAGER HAD STARTED A REVIEW OF HOW TO UPDATE AND UPGRADE AHERN STREET AT THE TOWN CENTER.
I ASSUME THAT WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THIS CONSTRUCTION?
>> SO THAT MONEY SHOULD ROLLOVER IN THE BUDGET TO NEXT YEAR? OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S SEE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
[7. COMMITTEE REPORTS A. Arts, Recreation, and Culture Committee (ARCC) ]
A COMMITTEE REPORT FROM ARTS AND RECREATION AND SHE'S STILL HERE.ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT OR ONE OF THEM?
JUST TO PUT A PERIOD ON PICKLEBALL BECAUSE YOU CALLED ME ON THE FLY AND I DON'T LIKE GOING ON THE FLY.
WE HAVE FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS OVER THERE, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY NICE.
WE HAVE SO MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PARKS IN THE CITY, WE CAN ONLY GIVE SO MUCH.
AGAIN, WE PAY YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS OR WE'D LIKE YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS.
YOU MAKE THE WRONG ONE, WE DON'T PUT YOU BACK IN.
IT'S KING SOLOMON AND SPLITTING THE BABY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
I WAS ON YOUR COMMITTEE EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WE WERE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION, SO WE'LL CONTINUE [NOISE] TO HAVE IT.
ON THE ARTS, RECREATION, AND CULTURE COMMITTEE, WE'VE MADE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADOPT ON COMMUNICATIONS.
I THINK WE'RE COMMUNICATING A LOT BETTER THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
WE'RE IMPROVING. OUR SOCIAL MEDIA HITS OUR WAY UP.
I WAS AT BALLPARK SATURDAY NIGHT FOR THE MOVIE IN THE PARK.
NOW BEAR IN MIND AT 4:00 PM THERE WAS POURING RAIN.
LAST COUNT I COUNTED WAS 122 PEOPLE.
IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENING.
PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF COVID, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO AND WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THEM THINGS TO DO.
I THINK WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND GETTING THE WORD OUT.
I THINK THE WEAK LINK IN OUR COMMUNICATION IS GETTING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ATTENDEES.
ARTS IN THE PARK WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WE HAD A GOOD TIME AND EVERYBODY HAD.
I WENT AROUND TO ALL THE VENDORS JUST IMPROMPTULY ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE VENDOR THAT WAS DISSATISFIED WITH THE DAY BECAUSE HE WASN'T SELLING ANYTHING.
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I ESTIMATED ABOUT 600 PEOPLE ATTENDED.THAT'S THE WEAK LINK, IS HOW DO WE GET SURVEYS AND CUSTOMER OR CITIZEN RESPONSE TO AN EVENT THAT THERE IS NO ENTRY.
PEOPLE ARE JUST COMING AND GOING.
HOW DO WE GET ACCURATE SURVEYS AND ACCURATE STATISTICS? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
I'M WORKING WITH A TRINA AND VERONICA ON IT.
ON PROGRAMMING, WE'RE TRYING TO ANALYZE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHERE ARE THE GAPS.
FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PROGRAMMING FOR SENIORS, YOGA, AND PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE GREAT PROGRAMS LIKE THE MOVIES FOR KIDS AND AFTER-SCHOOL ENRICHMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A GAP IN THE MIDDLE AND WE'RE EXPLORING THAT.
I SAY IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE I'M STARING AT 70, SO THE MIDDLE IS AROUND 50.
AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ACTUALLY OLLI FROM UNF, OSHER LIFELONG LEARNING INSTITUTE, WHICH I'M A MEMBER OF.
IN FACT, I TAUGHT TWO CLASSES THERE.
CAME TO US AND, YOU KNOW JEANETTE TOOHEY, RIGHT? I'M MEETING WITH HER BECAUSE THEY CAN COME IN AND THEY CAN OFFER PROGRAMMING RIGHT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
SO THAT'S AN EXCITING THING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.
LISA GOODRICH HAS BEEN REALLY CREATIVE WITH COMING UP WITH GOOD IDEAS, IS TO RECALL THAT'S MENTIONED HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
SHE ATTENDED AN EVENT UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA WHICH WAS MAISON MAINE, AND WE WON'T GO INTO IT.
BUT YOU'LL BE HEARING A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT NEW INNOVATIVE EVENTS.
JOE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE NOT A BIG FAN OF FUNDING FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS?
>> YEAH, I SHARE YOUR CONCERN ON SOME LEVELS.
WE'VE OPENED UP OUR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO NOT JUST TO NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE HAVING AND I'M JUST MAKING YOU AWARE IS I HAVE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING TO THE ARTISTS, THE ATLANTIC BEACH ARTS MARKET, ARCHWAY FRAMING, WHICH IS A GROUP OF ARTISTS.
I KNOW A LOT OF ARTISTS, INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, AND THEY'RE JUST VERY INTIMIDATED ABOUT THE GRANT PROCESS.
THEY'RE JUST NOT USED TO DOING IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO PAN OUT THIS YEAR.
WE'LL WAIT AND SEE. WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DOES IF ARTIST PAINT A PAINTING AND WE HANG IT IN CITY HALL, WE'RE GOING TO FUND.
I DON T KNOW. WE CAN HAVE PAINTING CLASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ON THESE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ADVANCE THE THING THAT STRIKES ME, AND I WAS JUST ASKED TO DO THIS PRESENTATION ON THURSDAY, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A PRESENTATION.
BUT WHAT STRUCK ME IS THAT THE PROGRAMMING WAS PUT IN-BETWEEN THE HUMAN RESOURCES AND COLLABORATION AND COMMUNICATIONS.
IN ORDER TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMMING, WE NEED TO HAVE EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION.
WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE EXCELLENT HUMAN RESOURCES AND COLLABORATION.
THE STAFF, WE ARE LOOKING AT STAFF ARE DOING THINGS WITH THE SUMMER CAMPS AND THE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMMING.
THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THINGS AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM IS STARTING TO REALLY TAKE SOME SHAPE.
I CAME ONTO THIS COMMITTEE IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY MEETING AN OSKARSSON PUT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO LEAVE THE VOLUNTEER GROUP? DEEP HUSH. [LAUGHTER] I PUT MY HAND UP AND I SAID, YEAH, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY A STRUGGLE, IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY.
BUT WE DID ARTS IN THE PARK AND WE HAD 25 VOLUNTEERS, WHICH IS MORE THAN I THINK WE'VE EVER HAD.
THE WELLFEST, I GOT A CALL ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
WE NEEDED SOME MORE VOLUNTEERS.
I FOUND 10 AND IT WAS 12:30 IT WAS RAINING AND THEY STAYED AND GOT WET.
THAT BEING SAID, GETTING VOLUNTEERS FROM EVENT TO EVENT TO EVENT IS A LOT OF WORK.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A PROGRAM.
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WHAT I RECOMMEND TO THIS COMMITTEE AND I KNOW IT THIS COMMISSION AND IS THE CONSENSUS OF OUR COMMITTEE IS THAT WE HAVE A STAFF PERSON ON HAND IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT RETENTION AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.BECAUSE THAT'S MY GOOD FRIEND LINDA LUMERE HAS ALWAYS SAID, EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR, EVERY MINUTE, EVERY SECOND, A VOLUNTEER DONATE THEIR TIME TO ATLANTIC BEACH IS A GIFT.
THEY NEED TO BE TREATED LIKE DONORS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.
THEY MIGHT NOT BE STROKING A CHECK, BUT WHAT THEY'RE GIVING YOU IS PROBABLY MORE VALUE TO US THAN THE CHECK.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE APPRECIATED AND THEY'RE MANAGED AND THEY'RE GIVEN TASKS THAT THEY ENJOY, THEY KEEP COMING BACK.
WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH SARAH BOREN AND MARK OVERET, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND OUT WHERE WE INTERSECT.
THEY USE PARKS, WE PUT ON EVENTS IN PARKS.
THERE'S AN INTERSECTION THERE.
WHAT WE DO IS MORE ONE-AND-DONE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY DO EVENTS WHERE HE'S LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN TALK ABOUT BEACH NOURISHMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY UNTIL 2050 AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND THAT TAKES A VERY SPECIAL SKILL SET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO DOING IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS COMMISSION IS WITH THAT.
I HEAR THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I REALLY STRONGLY SUGGEST IT BECAUSE IN TWO YEARS, WHEN MYSELF AND SARAH ARE GONE.
>> JUST REITERATION, IT IS IN OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE WANTED TO DEVELOP MORE EFFECTIVE CUSTOMER CENTRIC SERVICE STRATEGY, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT VOLUNTEER.
YEAH THERE IT IS, DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING A COMPREHENSIVE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY MADE THAT AN EFFORT AND A PRIORITY.
THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US THAT IT'S ON AS A COMMISSIONER BALLS AT THE STICKIES NOTES.
>> I ASSURE YOU, AS COMMITTEES, THE ART COMMITTEE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO THE BEST WE CAN AS VOLUNTEERS.
VOLUNTEERS MANAGING VOLUNTEERS CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.
>> ESC WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR AS WELL, SO AT BUDGET TIME, MAYBE WE CAN PUT IN SOME KIND OF SALARIED POSITION PART-TIME MAYBE?
>> MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIRS, THEY NEED IT, IT'S IMPORTANT.
I WAS ON IT. I KNOW WHAT THEY DO. IT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK THE CITY WOULD BE WELL-SERVED BY HAVING THAT POSITION, WHETHER IT'S PART-TIME, FULL TIME, THAT'S SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.
BUT REST ASSURED, SARAH AND MARK AND I, TRINA WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
[8. ACTION ON RESOLUTIONS A. RESOLUTION NO. 23-22 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO CONTRACT WITH ACON CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE DESIGN-BUILD SERVICES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SPLASH PAD AT DONNER PARK AT A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $529,500 AND PRE-PURCHASE THE SPLASH PAD AMENITIES FROM WATERPLAY AT A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $78,000; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ]
ACTION ON RESOLUTIONS. WE'LL GO TO 8A.THAT'S RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-22, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO CONTRACT WITH ACON CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE DESIGN-BUILD SERVICES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SPLASH PAD DONNER PARK AT A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $529,500, AND PRE-PURCHASE THE SPLASH PAD AMENITIES FROM WATER PLAY AT A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $78,000, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 23-22.
>> MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY AND SECOND FROM BRUCE BOLE. DISCUSSION.
I'LL SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YOU'RE MOVING THE VERSION THAT I THINK WAS PLACED ON THE DAIS.
IT WAS JUST SOME VERY MINOR [NOISE] CLARIFICATIONS.
CHANGING DESIGN-BUILD TO CONSTRUCTION HOW WE'RE PIGGYBACKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AT COG THAT'S ALL.
>> RIGHT. NOTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE, BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
NEXT ITEM IS 9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 55-23-38.
[9. ACTION ON ORDINANCES A. ORDINANCE NO. 55-23-38, Public Hearing and Final Reading AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA INCREASING MONTHLY SANITATION RATES BY 16.63% BY AMENDING CHAPTER 16, SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING, ARTICLE I, SOLID WASTE DEFINITIONS AND PROCEDURES, SECTION 16-10 FEES FOR COLLECTION; PROVIDING FOR INTENT; PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF THE NEW RATES; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ]
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.[01:50:02]
IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, INCREASING MONTHLY SANITATION RATES BY 16.63% BY AMENDING CHAPTER 16, SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING, ARTICLE 1, SOLID WASTE DEFINITIONS AND PROCEDURES, SECTION 16-10, FEES FOR COLLECTION.PROVIDING FOR INTENT, PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF THE NEW RATES, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
CITY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE I OPEN IT UP?
>> YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.
WE ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO START CHARGING THE NEW RATES AS OF THE 1ST OF JULY, BUT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BILLING CYCLE AND TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, THE NEW RATES WILL GO INTO EFFECT AUGUST 1.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON THIS? THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR.
ANYBODY WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS I HEARD FROM THE ONE CITIZEN EARLIER AND WE DON'T USUALLY COMMENT DURING THE MEETING, BUT HER ASK WAS THAT WE SPLIT IT UP AND TAG $2 THIS TIME AND A DOLLAR NEXT TIME OR WHATEVER.
I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE AGAINST THAT, NOT BECAUSE I'M INSENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS TO SOME PEOPLE.
BUT IT'S NOT A NUMBER LIKE $50 OR $100 A MONTH OR SOMETHING.
IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THIS INCREASES AND WHAT SHE RECOMMENDED IS A DOLLAR IN CHANGE AND IT IS CATCHING US UP TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE BASED ON THE MISS LAST YEAR [NOISE] OF THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO ATLANTIC BEACH BUT NOT PASSED TO OUR CITIZENS.
BUT ANY CONVERSATION, COMMISSIONER BOLE?
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY DID.
I UNDERSTAND THE MATH NOW, I DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.
IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER RATES, AT OTHER CITIES AND YOU LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICE WE GET, WE HAD A MIX-UP OVER TWO YEARS AGO AND A YEAR SO WE'VE COME BACK, UNDERSTAND THE MATH.
IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.
>> COMMISSIONER KELLY? ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER RING?
>> ALL GOOD. THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING IT TO A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS ]
>> CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT YOU SAY.
>> IT'S JUST A 10-MINUTE PRESENTATION [LAUGHTER] I DON'T THINK SO.
>> I'M KIDDING. I'M TOTALLY KIDDING.
NOW, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILE YOUR FINANCIAL FORM I. I THINK YOU GOT A FEW MORE DAYS FOR THAT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> JUSTIN JUST A QUICK QUESTION, HEY DUG. DID I READ IT RIGHT? THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS GOING TO INCREASE THE IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DATA NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? A LOT MORE DATA ON THOSE FORM I'S CORRECT?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S A GOOD POINT.
DIDN'T WANT TO BREAK IT ON YOU RIGHT NOW.
BUT YES, THE LAW HAS CHANGED FOR MUNICIPAL OFFICERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, ELECTED OFFICIALS OF A CITY.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS NEXT SUMMER, IT'LL BE THE FORM VI AS OPPOSED TO THE FORM I, WHICH IS A MORE IN-DEPTH FINANCIAL FORM, BUT WE CAN COVER THAT OBVIOUSLY IN THE SHOWING MONTHS.
>> TO PARAPHRASE WHAT YOU JUST SAID OR TO CRYSTALLIZE IT FOR ME, THE CURRENT FORM IS REALLY ABOUT SOURCES OF INCOME, NOT DETAIL OF INCOME. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S PRETTY GENERAL AND HIGH LEVEL.
THE FORM VI, WHICH COUNTY OFFICIALS ACTUALLY FILED SAY IN JACKSONVILLE ELECTED OFFICIALS IS ACTUALLY FAR MORE IN-DEPTH WITH MORE MINUTIA OF YOUR FINANCES.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER ]
>> CLOSING COMMENTS. LET'S START AT THIS END DOWN HERE. COMMISSIONER RING?
>> I APPRECIATE THE MOMENT OF SILENCE THAT WE GAVE FOR THE BODY FAMILY.
ZAN, HUSBAND IN MY DAUGHTER'S CLASS SINCE KINDERGARTEN AND JUST AS A MOTHER, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEIR FAMILY.
BUT THIS FRIDAY WOULD HAVE BEEN HIS 10TH BIRTHDAY AND THEY WILL BE HOLDING A VIGIL AT JACK RUSSELL PARK AT 6:00 PM IN MEMORY OF HIM.
>> MAYOR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES, BUT WAS THERE A MOTION, I HEARD A VOTE, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR A MOTION FOR THE ORDINANCE.
WAS THAT ON THE RED LINE ONE OR NO?
>> NO, I UNDERSTAND. DIDN'T WE VOTE ON THAT?
>> I THINK WE WENT TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> WE JUST VOTED.[OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLEAN THAT UP. THANK YOU.
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WELL DONE ON YOUR FIRST DAY HANDLING THIS ALL WITHOUT DONNA, SO APPRECIATE THAT.DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 55- WELL WE ALREADY HAD THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE THE SECOND SO IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
I COULD'VE SWORN WE VOTED ON THAT.
WE KNOW THAT CANDACE MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER BOLE SECONDED IT. ALL RIGHT.
SO NOW, CLOSING COMMENTS WE'LL START WITH, ACTUALLY WE ALREADY STARTED WITH COMMISSIONER RING SO COMMISSIONER WATERS.
>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO JOHN STINSON'S FAMILY, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT HE IS SUCH A PRIVATE PERSON AND I KNEW HE HAD ONLY A FEW DAYS LEFT AT THE LAST MEETING.
I'M A CHRISTIAN MAN AND PRAYER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BUT I'M SORRY THAT I SPOKE AND BROUGHT THIS UP.
I DIDN'T KNOW HIM AT ALL, I MET HIM DURING MY CAMPAIGNING AND SEVERAL TIMES DURING THIS LAST TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS, HE'S JUST BEEN A SOLID MAN.
A MAN'S MAN JUST HELPED ME, HE WAS HONEST, HE HELPED ME DIRECT A LOT OF THINGS I WAS FACING WITH THE COMMISSION DECISIONS TO MAKE.
I'M LIKE JOE, I WILL MISS HIM.
I DIDN'T KNOW HIM LIKE JOE DID, BUT IF YOU JUST MET HIM ONE TIME, HE MAKES AN IMPRINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY?
>> THIS ONE ALSO INTERSECTS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, MAYBE WITH THE PENSION BOARD AND THE FINANCE AND HR, I WAS JUST TALKING TO SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY AND I THINK WE AGREE THAT THE AVERAGE WORKER DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO MANAGE THE MONEY FOR A 401(K) AND THAT PERHAPS WE OUGHT TO EITHER BRING IN SOME OF THE STATE PEOPLE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF TRAINING TO HELP THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE UNDERSTAND HOW TO MANAGE THEIR RETIREMENT SAVINGS BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER DEFINED BENEFIT.
IT'S JUST WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE AND HOW YOU MANAGE IT AND IT'S WEIRD.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BOLE?
>> I'M EXCITED ABOUT SPLASH PAD.
I WALKED OVER THERE THIS WEEKEND AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG IMPACT.
THE ONE THING, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'M HARPING ON TODAY IS I SEE A KID BREAKING HIS HEAD.
IT'S A SPLASH PAD, SO THAT LIABILITY INSURANCE AND THE CITY WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DIG DOWN, AS JOE MENTIONED EARLIER INTO THAT ISSUE. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.