Jul 10, 2023 Commission Meeting

WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO BE ONE OF THE LAST TO SPEAK.

SUZANNE SHAUGHNESSY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

LEADERSHIP.

CAROLYN CAESAR.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CAROLYN CAESAR, LONG TERM RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND AN ATTORNEY.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM THREE F THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

TWO REQUESTS ONE.

PLEASE ONE OF YOU WHO'S IN THE APPROPRIATE POSITION OF NOT HAVING VOTED TO INTERVIEW CHIP DRYSDALE.

PLEASE VOTE TO AT LEAST INTERVIEW CHIP DRYSDALE FOR THE POSITION OF CITY MANAGER.

MY SECOND REQUEST IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE PERSON ON THE COMMISSION? PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT SO THAT KEVIN HOGENCAMP IS FORMALLY URGED TO GIVE INPUT, IS DIRECTED TO GIVE INPUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON EACH OF THE CANDIDATES FOR CITY MANAGER.

UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THOSE TWO POINTS.

EACH OF YOU, I BELIEVE, HAS RECEIVED AN ADDENDUM TO MR. DRYSDALE'S, I SHOULD SAY, CHIEF DRYSDALE'S RESUME.

I PERSONALLY ALSO SENT IT LAST NIGHT TO EACH OF YOU, AND I THINK EACH OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF OTHER EMAILS TODAY.

ALL WE'RE ASKING IS INTERVIEW HIM.

WE HAVE A NATIVE SON WHO WANTS THE POSITION, A NATIVE SON WHO HAS VAST ADMINISTRATIVE SKILLS, AS HE HAS ILLUSTRATED IN HIS ADDENDUM, WHO IS A RESIDENT OF THIS COASTAL COMMUNITY. AND I THINK SENSITIVITY TO THE NEEDS OF A COASTAL COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THIS POSITION. NEXT.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT HE BE INTERVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL ALSO BE MEETING THE CANDIDATES, THE PUBLIC, AT

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LEAST I'M AWARE OF QUITE A FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO SUPPORT HIS CANDIDACY OR AT LEAST SUPPORT HIS CONSIDERATION. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET HIM AT THE MEET AND GREET.

THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE HERE WHEN THERE ARE THE PUBLIC INTERVIEWS.

THAT'S WHAT REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS VOTE THAT HE BE INTERVIEWED.

WE JUST NEED ONE MORE.

I PERSONALLY THINK TWO SHOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT I DON'T MAKE THE RULES, SO I'M TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THOSE RULES.

THERE IS WIDE SUPPORT FOR HIS BEING INTERVIEWED.

PLEASE READ HIS DETAILED ADDENDUM.

IF I HAVE A FEW MINUTES, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT.

WHOOPS. I GUESS I DON'T.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. MRS. CEASAR. THANK YOU.

BUT WE DO HAVE THAT.

PERFECT TIMING.

DAWN SCOTT.

HI, COMMISSIONERS. MAYOR.

I DON'T.

I DON'T HAVE MY SPEECH MEMORIZED, SO I'M GOING TO READ IT.

UM, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF CHIP DRYSDALE AS CANDIDATE FOR THE OPEN POSITION OF ATLANTIC BEACH CITY MANAGER.

I'VE KNOWN CHIP PERSONALLY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

OUR BOYS SHARED THE SAME PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND I SERVED WITH HIM ON THREE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COMMITTEES.

SO FAR, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE IMPORTANT PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING CITY MANAGER CANDIDATES, PLEASE DO NOT OVERLOOK CHIP FOR HIS LACK OF PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE WHAT HE LACKS IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA HE MORE THAN MAKES UP FOR IN HIS DECADES OF EXPERIENCE AS A PROVEN LEADER AND MANAGER.

HE'S WORKED CLOSELY WITH ALL THE MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENTS AND HE'S UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO UNDERSTAND ATLANTIC BEACH'S HISTORY AND ITS PRESENT AND FUTURE NEEDS, NOT LIMITED TO ZONING, INFRASTRUCTURE, RESILIENCY, SAFETY AND MORE.

HE HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE MANAGING LARGE NUMBERS IN EXCESS OF 900 EMPLOYEES, MANAGING MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BUDGETS AND CONTENDING WITH LARGE SCALE MUNICIPAL ISSUES.

CHIP NATURALLY COMMANDS RESPECT THROUGH HIS EXPERIENCE, LOYALTY, HONESTY, HIS ACTIONS AND HIS DEMEANOR.

CHIP IS ESSENTIALLY OFFERING ATLANTIC BEACH HIS HOME TOWN, A GREAT GIFT WITH SUBMITTING HIS APPLICATION AS THIS POSITION WOULD LIKELY CONSTITUTE A PAY CUT FOR A MAN OF HIS EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE IN HIS FIELD.

HE WILL BE DOING THIS JOB AS A LOYAL SERVANT TO ATLANTIC BEACH, WHO BOTH LIVES IN AND LOVES OUR CITY AND IS INVESTED HERE IN ROOTED DEEPLY AND NOT SIMPLY ANOTHER CAREER MOVE, AS CITY MANAGERS SEEM TO FREQUENTLY DO.

CHIP DRYSDALE HAS THE EXPERIENCE, THE FISCAL KNOWLEDGE, THE LEADERSHIP SKILLS, THE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY AND ITS INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEEDS.

AND HE'S A PROVEN LEADER AND LIVES IN ATLANTIC BEACH ALREADY.

I IMPLORE YOU TO ADD HIS APPLICATION TO THE MIX AND THEN ASK OURSELVES THIS WHO IS BETTER QUALIFIED OF THE REMAINING APPLICANTS? WHEN YOU PUT THESE MEN SIDE BY SIDE AND LOOK FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, I'M PUZZLED WHY IT'S TAKEN A GROUP OF INFORMED CITIZENS PRACTICALLY BEGGING Y'ALL TO AT LEAST SHOW HIM THE RESPECT HE DESERVES AND HEAR THE MAN OUT.

YOU MIGHT BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK LIKE WE HAVE.

I IMPLORE YOU TO GRANT CHIP DRYSDALE AN INTERVIEW FOR THIS JOB.

IF NOT, BE TRANSPARENT AND TELL THE CITIZENS WHY NOT? BECAUSE, FRANKLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE THAT YOU ALL HAVEN'T ALREADY.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ONE AB AND AB FIRST? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS SCOTT.

RAY DRYSDALE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS RIA DRYSDALE, AND I BET YOU CAN GUESS WHY I'M HERE.

UH, I'M ACTUALLY HERE BECAUSE I CAME DOWN WITH MY FAMILY FOR A VACATION.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COME DOWN DURING THE PANDEMIC.

WE GOT COVID DURING OUR LAST VACATION, SO I'M HAPPY TO FINALLY BE BACK.

AND MY KIDS NOW WANT ME TO MOVE BACK.

I TOLD THEM THAT WE'RE A BEACH FAMILY, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW IT BECAUSE THEY'VE SPENT THEIR WHOLE LIVES UP IN NEW YORK.

I GOT A CALL FOR A JOB YEARS AGO.

I STARTED A BUSINESS THERE AND I STARTED A BUSINESS BECAUSE I WAS 26 YEARS OLD AND I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY INDUSTRY.

AND MY DAD SAID, THEN YOU SHOULD START SOMETHING YOURSELF.

I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO.

HE SAID, FIGURE IT OUT.

YOU'RE SMART. YOU CAN DO THIS.

I GRADUATED FROM STANTON, HAD A FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIP TO UNF, GRADUATED WITH HONORS.

HE'S NOT WRONG. I FIGURED IT OUT.

AND WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF STARTING OUR COMPANY, WE WERE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, AND IT WAS LIKE GETTING SHOT OUT OF A ROCKET.

I DON'T THINK I HAD THE SKILLS I NEEDED.

I WAS A TERRIBLE BOSS.

I WAS A TERRIBLE LEADER.

AND IT TOOK ME THE NEXT DECADE OF MY LIFE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE A GOOD MANAGER.

EVERY TIME I HAD A CRISIS, I CALLED MY DAD.

HE GAVE ME GOOD ADVICE AND A LOT OF REALLY BAD JOKES AND LONG WINDED STORIES.

SOMETIMES HE TOLD THE STORIES OVER AND OVER BECAUSE HE LIKES TO REALLY DRILL THE POINT HOME.

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BRUCE, I DON'T KNOW YOU WELL, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE HAD DRINKS WITH MY DAD.

I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HUNG OUT.

I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE TONIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO TELL ME NO, BECAUSE I'M HIS DAUGHTER.

BUT.

UM.

CANDICE, I DON'T KNOW YOU AT ALL, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GET TO KNOW YOU.

MR. WATERS. IS THAT WHO IT IS? MR. WATERS IS OUT TONIGHT, SO.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I HOPE HE GETS BETTER.

ALL RIGHT. IS OUT.

JESSICA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE.

MR. FORD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE.

JOE, I HOPE YOU CONSIDER MY DAD, BECAUSE WHAT MY DAD LACKS MAYBE IN CERTAIN POLITICAL ACUMEN, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE REPRESENTATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OUT WITH SUPPORT HE MAKES UP FOR AND BEING HONEST, HAVING INCREDIBLE INTEGRITY AND AMAZING WORK ETHIC.

WHEN I WAS A BABY, HE WAS CALLED TO, I THINK, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INITIALLY, BUT HE GOT THE JOB WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

MY DAD COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING.

HE WAS GOING TOWARDS ARCHITECTURE, AQUACULTURE.

HE'S BRILLIANT. I'M SHAKING WITH ADRENALINE RIGHT NOW.

MY MOM'S A REALLY SMART PERSON.

SHE'S GOT A HBO SPECIAL ABOUT HER AS A TEACHER.

SHE TAUGHT AT LAVILLA, WAS IN CHARGE OF THE GIFTED LANGUAGE ARTS PROGRAM.

CREATIVE WRITING PROGRAM.

AND THE ONLY PERSON SMARTER THAN HER, ACCORDING TO HER, IS MY DAD.

AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR LOTS OF BAD JOKES, BUT THAT MAN IS SMART AND HE WILL FIGURE OUT ANY CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF HIM.

AND WHAT HE CARES ABOUT IS ATLANTIC BEACH.

ALL OF HIS EXES WOULD AGREE THERE'S ONE CONSISTENT LOVE IN HIS LIFE.

ME, THE SURF AND THIS CITY.

HE LOVES THIS CITY.

AND THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY HIS HOMETOWN.

JACKSONVILLE IS. HE GREW UP IN RIVERSIDE.

BUT EVERY CHANCE HE COULD, HE WAS ESCAPING MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE AND COMING TO 19TH STREET TO GO SURF IT.

HE KNOWS THE MARSHES.

HE KNOWS THE BEACH, AND HE KNOWS IT LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND.

HE KNOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN IN POWER AND IN OFFICE.

HE KNOWS THE COMMUNITY, THE CITIZENS, AND HE WILL WORK VERY HARD BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO BEFORE HE RETIRES.

AND I HOPE HE RETIRES AND I HOPE HE GETS A DESK JOB BECAUSE HE DESERVES IT AND HE'S ONLY DOING THIS AS AN ACT OF SERVICE.

THANK YOU, MISS DRYSDALE.

HEATHER MARKAJ.

EVERYBODY. HI.

UM, I WANTED TO POP IN BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE CATS WERE BROUGHT UP WITH AN ISLAND AND ALL THAT.

AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THE CATS AND THE COYOTES, ALL THIS ONE STUFF GOES BACK AND FORTH WITH THE BEACH PEOPLE, ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.

BUT I THINK WE ALL KIND OF FORGET THAT THE CATS AREN'T GETTING THERE BY THEMSELVES.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE FAILING THEM AND WE AS A SOCIETY ARE FAILING THEM.

WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THEM.

WE HAVE PEOPLE ABANDONING THEM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE RULES AGAINST.

WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ILLEGALLY TRAPPING THEM, WHICH HAS BEEN A RECENT ISSUE AS WELL, AND DISPOSING OF THEM AND DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO CREATE THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE.

SO I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY DID WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS ON THE TNR PROGRAM AND TRYING TO SET UP DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE COLONIES, HAVING THEM MONITORED.

WE DO HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT DO DO THAT, BUT WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER AS A CITY TO HELP TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE FAILED TO THIS POINT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING CONTINUES TO FLOW FORWARD.

UM, SORRY I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE YET.

SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME UP HERE, AND I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.

UM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AND HOW THE CATS ARE INTERRUPTING IT, BUT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT ALL THE INVASIVE SPECIES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE LIZARDS AND REPTILES THAT ARE 3 TO 1 TO OUR NATIVE SPECIES AT THIS POINT.

CATS WHO ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND ARE FED DO STILL DO HUNT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY DON'T.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE HUNTING MORE FOR FUN.

SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO HUNT MORE FOR FUN AND WE HAVE ALL THESE INVASIVE SPECIES, I KNOW, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSONAL CATS, THE ONLY THINGS THAT THEY EVER CAUGHT FOR FUN WERE THE INVASIVE LIZARDS, THE INVASIVE FROGS.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THEM, WE'RE SPAYING THEM, WE'RE GETTING THEM FIXED.

WE'RE MAKING SURE IT'S A HEALTHY COLONY.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE OVERSEEING THEM, MAKING SURE IF ANYONE'S SICK, IF ANYONE'S HURT, THEY'RE GETTING THEM TREATMENT, WHICH WE DO AS VOLUNTEERS.

WE THEN HAVE A GROUP OF CATS WHO ESSENTIALLY ARE GOING TO HELP US WITH THE INVASIVE POPULATION.

I'M LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND HUNT THESE LIZARDS THAT AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE ANYWAY THAT WE AS PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF ALSO.

SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF THROW THAT OUT THERE.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST LIKE HURTING THEM MORE, MAYBE WE CAN HELP THEM AND THEY CONTINUE TO HELP US SORT OF THING.

[INAUDIBLE] YES. I JUST DIDN'T HAVE HER CARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SUZANNE SHAUGHNESSY.

THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T CALL HER.

THANK YOU. I GET IT NOW.

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MEGAN SULLIVAN. HI, EVERYONE.

MEGAN SULLIVAN.

I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK FOR CHIP DRYSDALE, AND I TOO WAS GOING TO READ MY SPEECH BUT FORGOT MY GLASSES.

SO I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN.

BUT I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND I'VE HAD TO EXPERIENCE A MAGICAL CHILDHOOD IN A PLACE FEW, VERY FEW ARE LUCKY TO GROW UP.

I LEARNED MY ABCS ON THE BEACH AS MY MOTHER TOOK A PIECE OF DRIFTWOOD AND WROTE MY LETTERS.

I REMEMBER GOING PLAY FLASHLIGHT TAG AND HOWL PARK.

MY FIRST KISS WAS BEHIND THE DUGOUT IN REP JACK RUSSELL.

I AM NOW BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE TO RAISE MY OWN CHILD HERE, AND SHE SHAKES HER POM POMS AND CHEERS FOR MAYPORT, JUST AS I ONCE DID.

AND SHE TOO.

I HAD MEETINGS WITH FOURTH GRADE MATH TEACHERS IN THE SAME CLASSROOM AS I HAD FOURTH GRADE MATH CLASS, AND SAYING THAT ALL NOW IS, AS I NOW UNDERSTAND, IS THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE OUR CITY UNIQUE AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO SO AS WELL.

THE CHALLENGES WE FACE AS WE GO FORWARD, WE FIND OURSELVES WITH A LOCAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SERVE AS OUR CITY MANAGER, WHO HAS DEEP ROOTS TO OUR CITY, JUST AS I DO, AND WHO ALSO HAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BELOVED PLACE, NOT JUST AS A 34 YEAR RESIDENT, BUT ALSO SOMEONE WHO HAS SERVED AS OUR IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT FOR 38 YEARS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR 38 YEARS HAS SERVED AS A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS SOMEONE WHO FULFILLS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A COLLEGE DEGREE.

HE WAS SALUTATORIAN OF HIS CLASS WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED THE LEADERSHIP NECESSARY AND PERFORMED THE DUTIES WITH SKILLS THAT ARE DIRECTLY TRANSFERABLE TO THE POSITION WE NOW HAVE OPEN SOMEONE WHO HAS THE RESPECT OF THE PAST AND PRESENT CITY LEADERS AND COMES NOT JUST WITH THE EXPERIENCE, BUT DEMONSTRATES 30 YEARS, EIGHT YEARS WORTH OF PROOF THAT HE IS OUTSTANDING IN THE JOB HE'S PERFORMED.

THIS IS ASK ANYONE WHO HAS MET THIS MAN AND THEY WILL TELL YOU HE IS HONEST AND FAIR AND PEOPLE TRUST HIM.

HE SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF OUR CITY AND HE KNOWS OUR CULTURE AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.

HE HAS LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE HE NEEDS TO WORK WITH TO BE EFFECTIVE, AND HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO TO BE BEST FOR AB.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SHOULD HIRE HIM, BUT I DO KNOW AS A PROFESSIONAL, HE DESERVES YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND AS A LOCAL, IT'S THE LEAST YOU CAN DO.

THANK YOU, MR. TAMAKI.

SUZANNE SHAUGHNESSY.

GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF NUMBER ONE, INTERVIEWING MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE FOR THE CITY MANAGER JOB.

WE INTERVIEWED AT THE TIME THAT JIM HANSEN WAS HIRED.

WE HAD FIVE AND ALL COMMISSIONERS INTERVIEWED THE FIVE, AND THEN THE FIVE WERE INTERVIEWED IN PUBLIC AT A MEETING THAT THAT WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THAT WAY OF DOING THINGS, I THINK, COMPARES FAVORABLY TO THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING DONE NOW.

SECONDLY, I WAS HEARD A COMMISSIONER SAY THAT SHE WASN'T ENTIRELY SURE WHAT A BATTALION CHIEF WAS, AND THAT'S WHAT CHIP DRYSDALE IS. AND I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT.

IT IS AN ODD NAME BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY SAY WHAT THE POSITION INVOLVES.

THERE ARE 3 SPECIAL BATTALION CHIEFS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS 1800 PEOPLE.

THOSE BATTALION CHIEFS HELD THE HIGHEST CIVILIAN CIVIL SERVICE RANK POSSIBLE IN A VERY LARGE ORGANIZATION.

THERE ARE ONLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HIGHER RANK THAN A BATTALION CHIEF, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPOINTED BY THE JACKSONVILLE MAYOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM AND A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM.

THE MAYOR BRINGS THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT HEADS AND PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THEM.

THEY BRING THEM WITH THEM.

SO THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS EXTENSIVE ADMINISTRATIVE SKILLS.

I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE SKILLS WOULD BE TRANSFERABLE IF YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS AT A HIGH, YOU KNOW, AN ADMINISTRATOR FOR. UH, XEROX.

AND HE WANTED TO WORK FOR ANOTHER COMPANY.

HIS SKILLS WOULD BE TRANSFERABLE.

AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

SO I HOPE THAT HELPS TO CLEAR THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT COSTS YOU NOTHING TO INTERVIEW THIS PERSON SINCE HE LIVES LOCALLY.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT ANY KIND OF RESIDENCY, YOU KNOW, FUNDING, ETCETERA, BECAUSE HE LIVES HERE AND ALL. IT REALLY WOULD COST YOU TO DO IT IS YOUR TIME.

AND I KNOW YOU FIGURED THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL WHEN YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP TO RUN FOR COMMISSIONER.

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SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING MY REMARKS.

I APPRECIATE IT AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, MISS SHAUGHNESSY.

NO OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE CLOSE, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS, SIR? I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICK.

I CERTAINLY, UNLIKE THE TOWN HALL MEETING, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE AIR.

AS A FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER'S WHAT I THINK EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN FAIR ABOUT THIS, VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS, AND VERY OPEN.

I DON'T THE DECISION HAS NOT BEEN DOWN TO ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL TO WHO DECIDES WHETHER IT'S EACH OF YOU OR THE CITY.

THE INTERIM MANAGER TO MAKE THE DECISION WHO MAKES THE SHORTCUT.

SO I RESPECT YOU FOR THAT.

AND I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ANY CANDIDATE THAT'S APPLIED OR THAT'S STILL IN THE LIST, BUT IT REALLY FALLS.

WE AS VOTERS VOTED FOR EACH OF YOU TO STAND UP AND MAKE THAT DECISION.

YOU MAKE THREE APPOINTMENTS CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY CLERK.

SHEER RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.

SECOND OF ALL, I'LL END BY SAYING THAT THE COMMENT THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND KEVIN, THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY AGAINST YOU, BUT FOR ANYONE TO STAND UP AND SAY THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OR ANY OTHER ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE, CHIEF OF POLICE OR ANYONE SHOULD HAVE A SAY SO WHO THEIR NEXT BOSS WOULD BE.

I WISH THAT IN MY YEARS OF PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVIEW MY BOSSES.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR ANY EMPLOYEE TO INTERVIEW THEIR BOSS, AND I THINK THAT IT'S JUST APPALLS ME THAT THAT EVEN COMES UP.

NOW, REAL QUICKLY, ON THE CHAPTER 24, THAT'S COMING UP.

I ENCOURAGE YOU AND EVERY CITIZEN OF THIS TOWN TO READ THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T READ IT VERY CLOSE, THE LAST ONE SENT OUT CAME OUT ON A POSTCARD. IT DOESN'T REALLY EXPLAIN EVERYTHING GOING ON.

AND JUST ONE SMALL EXAMPLE IS 42 EAST COAST DRIVE.

GOT A WAIVER FOR PARKING.

FOR A BUILDING BECAUSE IT WAS BASED AND CHANGED ON THE LAST COMP PLAN CHANGED THAT.

EVERY FOUR BICYCLE RACKS GOT A FREE PARKING SPACE.

NOBODY SAW THAT, NOBODY SAW THAT, OR EVEN EVEN KNEW IT WAS IN THERE.

SO I ASK YOU TO MOVE SLOWLY ON THIS.

IT'S NOT A BIG MOVE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE WITHIN EVEN NOW.

IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EACH OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, MR. REEVES.

WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

MR. GERRITY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE I GET TO THE MAIN EVENT HERE.

COMMISSIONER NORRIS, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT.

I HAVE ANOTHER BRITTANY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT'S BRITTANY PURCELL, WHO WAS OUR DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AND SHE IS GOING TO ASSUME THE FINANCE DIRECTOR'S JOB.

AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT HER QUALIFICATIONS ARE.

SHE'S WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS A DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR.

SHE'S A GRADUATE OF UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA OSPREYS WITH A MINOR IN COMMUNICATION.

SHE'S A GRADUATE OF FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY AND FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.

AND SHE'S ALSO HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING FROM RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

BRITTANY STARTED LAST WEEK.

SHE HAS TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.

SHE'S BEEN WORKING AT HOME A LITTLE BIT, AND SHE'S ALREADY BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND VERY HELPFUL TO US AND TRYING TO PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER.

SO I'D LIKE TO WELCOME HER TO THE CITY STAFF AS AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS, JOE, BECAUSE THAT'S A GIFT TO HAVE SOMEBODY OF THOSE QUALIFICATIONS ALREADY WITH US.

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LET'S SEE. WE GOT A $15,000 GRANT FOR A TREE ASSESSMENT CANOPY TREE ASSESSMENT.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A $15,000 MATCH.

STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE THAT $15,000 OUT OF THE TREE FUND, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS $245,000 IN IT.

IF IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION BECAUSE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THAT FUND NEEDS COMMISSION APPROVAL.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY OF THAT MONEY.

SO.

YEAH, WE'LL HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

OUR REVENUE FROM THE 18TH AND 19TH STREET PARKING THIS LAST MONTH.

MONTH OF JUNE WAS $3,785 WAS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH.

BUT I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF LOT OF RAIN ON THE WEEKEND LAST MONTH.

UM. LET'S SEE.

WHEN I GOT HERE, I LOOKED AROUND AND TO SEE WHAT I COULD DO BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE TYPICAL INTERN THAT JUST SORT OF KEEPS THE BOAT ROLLING IN A IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS, BUT I LOOKED AT THE COMMISSION GOALS AND ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE OVER THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS AT OUR RECREATION CENTER AND THE SUMMER PROGRAMS. I TALKED WITH KEVIN, AND THE FOUNDATION WAS LAID.

THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

BUT THE FOUNDATION WAS LAID BY THE COMMISSION AND BY SHANE CORBIN.

AND WE HAVE I SAID TO KEVIN, YOU THINK WE CAN DO THAT? AND HE TOOK THE BALL AND RAN WITH IT.

HE BROUGHT TRINA, AND THE RECREATION DIRECTOR WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL AT FIRST, BUT CAME ON BOARD AND WE RECEIVED WORD LAST WEEK THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB RECEIVED A GRANT TO TAKE OVER OUR AFTER SCHOOL AND SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE HAD GOOD PROGRAMS BEFORE.

I THINK WE'RE HEADED TOWARD GREAT PROGRAMS FOR THOSE KIDS.

AND JOE, DIDN'T YOU GET THREE YEARS OF FUNDING ON THAT? FOUR YEARS. OKAY.

FOUR YEAR PROGRAM.

VERY GOOD. AND THAT'S FROM THE KIDS HEALTH ALLIANCE IN JACKSONVILLE AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

APPLIED FOR AT OUR BEHEST.

UM, I THINK I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE THINGS.

I'VE GOT STEVE SWANN COMING UP HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT? STEVE WATER.

WELL, HE'S COMING UP.

CAN WE HAS EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? ANY REQUESTS FOR CHANGES ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES? NO. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ON JULY 25TH, AUGUST 7TH, AND IF NEEDED, ON AUGUST 24TH, WE HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP SCHEDULED.

OKAY. JUST HAVE ONE SUGGESTION.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC MEETING, INPUT MEETING, I'D LIKE THAT TO BE INCLUDED ON THESE 90 DAY CALENDARS AS WELL.

YES, MA'AM. SO WITH MR. SWANN.

IS HERE TO ADDRESS.

US. ALL RIGHT.

HOWEVER, ONE THING FIRST.

[3.B. FLC 97th Annual Conference Voting Delegate Information]

SORRY, STEVE.

WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTING DELEGATE FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE.

AND GENERALLY, IT'S THE MAYOR.

BUT SINCE WE HAVE TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS GOING, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMISSION TO PICK THE VOTING DELEGATE.

I MOVE THAT THE MAYOR DO IT.

WAS THERE A CONSENSUS ON THE CALENDAR? ALL RIGHT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT CHALLENGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

LIDIJA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WAS THERE A CONSENSUS ON THE CALENDAR? NO, WE DIDN'T GO RIGHT TO THE NEXT ITEM.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

THANK YOU. BUT I WAS PAYING ATTENTION.

BUT NO, THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION, JOE, ON REPRESENTING THE CITY AT THIS EVENT.

AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR THE TRUST.

AND I WILL STUDY AND I WILL BE A PARTICIPANT.

SO JUST FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.

SO I THINK MISS RING MADE A MOTION, MR. BOLE MAYBE A SECOND AND THEN THEIR CONSENSUS ON BEING DELEGATE.

SO JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE RECORD.

THERE'S A SECOND ON THE FLOOR SINCE THIS IS A APPROPRIATE MOTION.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

AYE. OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES.

SO NOW LET'S DOUBLE BACK TO THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS AMENDED BASED ON THE REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER RING.

[3.A. Accept the 90-Day Calendar (July-Sept. 2023)]

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED OR AS AMENDED? OKAY. DO WE NEED AN ACTUAL VOTE OR JUST A CONSENSUS? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE CLEANED UP ON THAT.

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AND NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO.

MR. SWANN STEVE IS GOING TO UPDATE US ON SENATE BILL 64 AND ALSO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON SOME OF OUR GRANT FUNDING.

[3.C. SB 64 Update & 3.D. Grant Funding Update]

GOT IT, KEVIN. I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER A WEEK OR SO AGO ABOUT ABOUT POTENTIALLY TAKING OVER THE UTILITIES IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WHICH ISN'T REALLY TRUE, BUT I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK IN JANUARY, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT BACK UP AND DISCUSS IT AGAIN.

AND I'LL KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE.

AND IT ALL REVOLVES AROUND COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL 64, WHICH REQUIRES US TO REMOVE OUR WASTEWATER DISCHARGE OUT OF THE RIVER BY 2032 AND PLANNING FOR THAT. UM, I WON'T READ ALL THE BULLET POINTS, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE DEPEND ON THE RIVER TO DISCHARGE MOST OF OUR WASTEWATER.

A SMALL PORTION OF IT, ABOUT 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY, GETS REUSED ON ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB FOR HOME IRRIGATION AT THE HOMES AND AS WELL AS THE GOLF COURSE.

BUT THE REST OF IT GOES TO THE RIVER.

AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 3.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF THAT IS WHAT WE PRODUCE.

AND MAKES IT KIND OF DIFFICULT IS THAT THE TREATED EFFLUENT FROM JAX BEACH TIES IN WITH THE TREATED EFFLUENT FROM NEPTUNE BEACH, WHICH THEN TIES IN WITH THE TREATED EFFLUENT FROM ATLANTIC BEACH. AND WE ALL GO TOGETHER TO THE LITTLE JETTIES AND DISCHARGE INTO THE RIVER.

SO ALL THREE CITIES ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS.

UM, JACKSONVILLE BEACH THINKS THEY HAVE IT A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THEY CAN HANDLE THE WASTEWATER SOMEWHAT ECONOMICALLY, I'M NOT CONVINCED, BUT THAT'S UP TO THEM.

IT'S A GOOD JOB WITH THEM.

NEPTUNE BEACH IS IN A PICKLE.

THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE US. THEY'RE PRETTY WELL BUILT OUT.

THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES TO PUT TREATED WASTEWATER, SO THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, AS ARE WE.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UM. EVERYTHING FROM DEEP WELL INJECTION TO OUR EXPANDING OUR REUSE IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO AS MUCH AS THE CITY AS WE NEED ARE POTENTIALLY EVEN OUT TO MAYPORT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REUSE ON THE GOLF COURSE AT MAYPORT RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH NAVFAC NOT MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE STILL, STILL TALKING AND WE'RE ALSO TALKING WITH THE J.

AND THE REASON WE WENT TO TALK TO JAR WAS TO SEE IF, NUMBER ONE, WE COULD JUST SEND OUR RAW WASTEWATER TO JAR FOR TREATMENT.

AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT IT'D BE A $50 MILLION.

THAT'S WHAT THIS CAPACITY CHARGE WOULD BE.

SO IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

HOW ABOUT IF WE SEND YOU RECLAIMED WATER? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEFICIT OF RECLAIMED WATER FOR IRRIGATION AND PARTS OF THEIR GRID IN THE COMING YEARS.

SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND APPROACHED US WITH, WELL, WOULD YOU GUYS BE INTERESTED IN US OWNING AND OPERATING THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT IN ATLANTIC BEACH? AND THAT'S WHEN I CAME TO YOU ALL AND SAID, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EXPLORE? IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO EXPLORE BECAUSE AS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS REAL QUICK.

THESE ARE JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES BECAUSE SOME OF THE SCIENCE ISN'T THERE YET, BUT.

WHAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IS.

YOU KNOW, UP TO $50 MILLION, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE BULK TRANSFER OF WASTEWATER TO.

A LOT OF CITIES ARE LOOKING AT DEEP WELL INJECTION.

THERE ARE NO DEEP, WELL, DEEP WELLS IN THIS AREA.

GEORGIA IS PLANNING ON SOME.

THEY JUST THEY HAVE A TEST WELL, GOING IN IN NASSAU COUNTY.

AND THAT JUST BID AT $14 MILLION FOR THAT WELL.

AND THAT WILL HANDLE MAYBE A MILLION AND A HALF GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH IS YOU DO THE MATH.

WE WOULD NEED MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE POTENTIALLY ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OF DEEP WELL INJECTION WITH EXPANDING OUR REUSE SYSTEM IN SOME AREAS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE CAN GET TO IT WHERE IT'S NOT TOO COSTLY.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT 7 OR 8 YEARS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS, WHETHER WE THINK GEORGIA IS WITH OPERATING THE UTILITY WITH A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT, WE AT LEAST NEED TO GET THE NUMBERS FROM THEM.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING GEORGIA HAS.

THEY'VE HIRED A CONSULTANT, WHICH STANTEC WHICH STANTEC DID OUR LAST RATE STUDY IN 2018.

STANTEC IS TAKING THE DATA WE'RE PROVIDING THEM AND WORKING ON EVALUATION PROCESS.

THE GOOD THING IS WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THAT PROCESS, WE'LL BASICALLY HAVE OUR NEXT RATE STUDY PAID FOR BY GEORGIA.

SO WE'LL HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHEN WE START TIGHTENING THESE NUMBERS UP GOING INTO THE FUTURE WITH HAVING TO SPEND SOME SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL DOLLARS TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64. WE'LL BE ABLE TO RELY ON THIS STUDY THAT YOU'RE DOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO OUR RATES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.

WELL, THERE'S.

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PANICKING SOME OF THEM.

WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE TWO LARGEST DISCHARGERS IN THE STATE, THE SURFACE WATERS, OR GEORGIA AND TAMPA.

BOTH GEORGIA AND TAMPA ARE KIND OF STARTED AN INDEPENDENT LOBBYING EFFORT TO LOBBY THE LEGISLATURE.

WE AT SMALLER COMMUNITY WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION AND THERE'S A I THINK A 167 UTILITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO DEVELOP AN APPROACH TO LOBBY TALLAHASSEE TO EITHER ONE, FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET US EXEMPTED FROM THIS REQUIREMENT OR AT THE VERY LEAST EXTEND THE DEADLINE INTO THE FUTURE SO THE SCIENCE CAN CATCH UP TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

YEAH. AND IT'S BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACROSS THE STATE.

I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

IF WE DECIDE ON ANY OF THOSE CHOICES OR OPTIONS, WHAT WOULD THE TIMEFRAME BE LIKE? SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN START IN 2032 BECAUSE WE FINALLY DECIDED WE HAVE TO START THE GROUNDWORK EARLY ON, RIGHT? RIGHT. WE'RE STARTING THE GROUNDWORK EARLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NINE YEARS OUT.

RIGHT. IT'S, UM.

AND TO GET ANYTHING DONE TAKES A LONG TIME.

THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, JUST THE WORK THAT IT'S GOING ON.

AQUATIC DRIVE.

IT'S A LOT.

SO WE'RE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK NOW TO FIGURE OUT PROBABLY WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF TO DEVELOP A MORE SOLID APPROACH AND ACTUALLY PUT SOME TIME, EFFORT AND EXPENSE INTO FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THIS.

I HAVE A STRONG SUSPICION THAT THE DEADLINE WILL BE EXTENDED, BUT THAT'S NOT GUARANTEED.

THIS IS A COMPLETELY UNFUNDED MANDATE.

ARE THERE ANY GRANTS THAT WE COULD REACH OUT FOR? OH, DEFINITELY. BUT THERE'S NOT GRANTS OUT THERE FOR 20, 30, $40 MILLION.

WE'D HAVE TO FINANCE THAT AND BUILD THAT INTO OUR RATE STRUCTURE GOING INTO THE 2030.

AND THEN THE ESTIMATED CAPITAL COST, THAT'S THE FIRST INITIAL COST AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THE ANNUAL ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WOULD BE EVERY YEAR FOR EVER.

OH, NO, THAT'S ANNUAL COST.

THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE IT $6 MILLION A YEAR IS ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS US TO RUN THIS UTILITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO FROM THE MAYOR'S CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

SO IF ANYBODY IS LISTENING, HEAR IT FROM ME.

WE DID NOT INITIATE AN EFFORT TO SELL OUR UTILITIES.

WE AS STEVE'S SWANN SO WELL PUT IT, WE INITIATED A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF WE COULD OFFLOAD OUR EFFLUENT OR OUR TREATED WASTEWATER IN ONE OR THE OTHER AND SO THIS IS HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED.

SO AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION TO SELL THE UTILITIES.

WE THERE WILL AT SOME POINT BE A PROPOSAL FROM GE BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR UTILITIES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZENS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BURY OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND SAY BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE DISCUSSION, WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR LEADING THAT.

MR..

SWANN I'M SORRY.

I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

THE DIFFERENCES IN THE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH GE, YOU HAVE THE REUSE SYSTEM EXPANSION.

I KNOW YOU EXPLAINED SOME OF THAT ALREADY, BUT THE SIN TO J VERSUS THE BULK WASTEWATER TRANSFER, WHICH IS THE MOST COSTLY ONE.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT VERSUS THE FULL ON J A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

MAYOR AS IN THE CELL, THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL.

YEAH, THAT'S THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST.

THE THREE OPTIONS AS FAR AS.

YES. AND THOSE ARE.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE BULK WASTEWATER IS GOING TO BE A VIABLE OPTION.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO REDUCE THEIR CAPITAL CHARGE TO US.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.

UM, SENDING RECLAIMED WATER TO GEORGIA MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD, VIABLE OPTION.

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO SELL? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO OPINE.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANT US TO SELL, BUT I THINK THEY'D BE DELIGHTED TO BUY.

YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT AT.

THE RIGHT TERMS. BUT THE OTHER PART OF THIS, I WANT EVERYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE SOME CALM HERE, BECAUSE THE GOOD NEWS IS YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT, IN FACT, YOUR CITY STAFF IS DEALING WITH THIS NINE YEARS IN ADVANCE OF A DEADLINE.

THERE REALLY IS NO RUSH, ALTHOUGH, AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE'RE THREE YEARS OUT.

THAT'S TOO LATE. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OPTIONS TODAY.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALREADY DONE IS I'VE REACHED OUT TO SENATOR YARBOROUGH AND TO REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL TO START A CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY INCLUDE OTHER MAYORS OF THE BEACHES SO THAT WE CAN DO A CONSOLIDATED EFFORT IN LOBBYING OUR STATE LEGISLATURE

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AND LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR WHATEVER WE END UP DOING, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR IT FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.

THEY MIGHT AS WELL HEAR FROM ATLANTIC BEACH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO THAT'LL BE WHAT I'LL BE ENGAGING IN.

AND THEN OF COURSE, BRINGING IN STAFF TO RUN WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING I NEED TO HANDLE ON MY OWN.

I JUST WANT TO START THAT CONVERSATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR.

COMMENTS AND I'LL COME BACK WHEN I HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED AS WE GO.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

ABOUT GRANT FUNDING.

YEAH, KEVIN, I'LL BRING THAT OTHER ONE UP REAL QUICK.

WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS THIS.

A REAL BRIEF UPDATE ON PROJECTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED ARE COMPLETING THIS YEAR WITH GRANT FUNDING AND PROJECTS THAT WE INTEND TO COMPLETE NEXT YEAR WITH GRANT FUNDING. UM, AND KEVIN LOST MY PRESENTATION.

AND THE REASON I WANTED TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT 75% OF THAT IS GRANT FUNDED BECAUSE MOST OF THESE ALL THESE GRANTS ARE REIMBURSABLE GRANTS, MEANING WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY THAN THEY GIVE US THE MONEY BACK.

WELL.

I KIND OF CAN'T, KEVIN.

WELL, JOE, IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER TOPIC, I CAN COME BACK HERE SINCE I PUT THIS UP.

I DO HAVE ONE TOPIC, AND YOU CAN.

TWO. YOU CAN STAY AND TALK TO THIS.

I PLACED ONE OF THESE SHEETS IN FRONT OF YOUR.

PLACES AT THE DIAS.

HERE WE HAVE SEVERAL.

THERE'S A CLUSTER OF 33 SEPTIC TANKS IN THE MARSH FRONT AREA.

AND WE ARE OBLIGATED BY STATE LAW, AGAIN, UNFUNDED MANDATES TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER TO ELIMINATE THESE SEPTIC TANKS.

YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL CLUSTERS OR TWO CLUSTERS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS THAT WE SERVE AT THIS TIME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE MOST CONCERNED WITH OUR OWN CITIZENS AND SEEING IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND, STEVE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SEPTIC TANKS A LITTLE BIT JUST.

WHILE HE'S COMING UP.

MAYOR DUGGAN MENTIONED SEWERS AND SEPTIC TANKS IN HER INAUGURATION SPEECH, SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTS TO FOCUS ON.

SO, LIKE, LET'S CALL HER UP.

OH, YEAH. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE IN OUR UTILITY SERVICE AREA, WE HAVE BASICALLY THREE CLUSTERS OF SEPTIC TANKS AND A FEW SCATTERED IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET SEWER TO THEM. THE ONE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IS ABOUT, WHAT IS IT, 33 SEPTIC TANKS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF NEAR BEGONIA STREET, WEST PLAZA OUT THAT WAY.

THE OTHER THE OTHER BIG BUNCH OF THEM IS JUST NORTH OF DUTTON ISLAND ROAD, WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD, THAT CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

AND THE OTHER BIG BUNCH IS OUT TOWARDS WONDERWOOD WITH THOSE TWO AREAS OF SEPTIC TANKS.

I'M WORKING WITH CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY.

WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION THERE OTHER THAN YOU PROVIDING UTILITIES.

BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THE STATE HAS PASSED SOME RULES THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE.

IF YOU'RE ALONG A WATER BODY THAT'S IMPAIRED FOR NUTRIENTS, WHICH WE ARE WITH THE LOWER SAINT JOHN'S RIVER AND THE INTRACOASTAL, AND MORE THAN 20% OF THOSE NUTRIENTS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO RELEASES FROM SEPTIC TANKS, WHICH THAT HAS MADE THE DETERMINATION FOR THE LOWER SAINT JOHN'S BASIN, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT IN GENERAL.

BUT THAT TRIP, THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO ELIMINATE THESE SEPTIC TANKS SO WE HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.

THE THE ONES OUT NEAR WEST PLAZA BEGONIA WE DON'T IN JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS WHY I'LL BE COORDINATING WITH CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND THEY'LL BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THOSE.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S DRIVING THIS.

WE TRIED TO EXTEND SEWER OUT TO THOSE AREAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO USING A SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT GRANT.

BUT TO QUALIFY FOR THAT, GRANT NEEDED 75% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE TO IT AND COULD NOT GET 75% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE TO HAVE SEWER EXTENDED.

SO WE LOST THE GRANT FUNDING.

SO THAT PROJECT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.

WE COULD WE COULD TRY AGAIN GOING FORWARD.

BUT UM, BUT IT IS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BUY THIS LATER THIS FALL.

I'LL NEED TO HAVE A SEPTIC TANK ELIMINATION PLAN TOGETHER THAT I'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT.

SO THAT MAY BE AN OPTION THAT WE'RE WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

IS THERE A TIME FRAME THAT TO CONVERT OR THAT WE HAVE TO START IMPLEMENTING OUR PLAN? IT'S A LITTLE NEBULOUS. I NEED TO HAVE A KIND OF AN INITIAL PLAN IN PLACE BY NOVEMBER.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE FINALIZED BY JULY OF NEXT YEAR.

SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT WAS TRYING TO FINANCE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS. DID WE HADN'T WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE GIVING THEM A PARTIAL.

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CUT OR.

WELL, THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY TO CLOSE UP A SEPTIC TANK.

IT'S PRETTY 10.

TO 15,000 TO CLOSE IT UP AND CONNECT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE GENERALLY CHARGE A FEE TO RUN A LATERAL.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE CHARGE AN IMPACT FEE.

SO THERE WOULD BE AT THE TWO CITY FEES THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAIVING OR HELPING PEOPLE OUT.

I THINK CURRENTLY WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE.

BASICALLY LOANED.

TIME.

I'VE DONE SEVERAL RELEASES ACTUALLY SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

BUT WE DO HAVE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FUNDS IN THE SEWER SIDE, AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE FUNDS ARE FOR, TO EXPAND OUR USE OF SEWAGE SYSTEMS. THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THE CITY CHARGES A CONNECTION FEE THAT'S 10 TO 15.

NOW, THE FOR A HOMEOWNER TO DIG UP AND REMOVE OR BREAK THE BOTTOM OUT OF THE SEPTIC TANK AND BACKFILL IT AND RUN A LATERAL TO CONNECT TO OUR SEWER LINE, IT SEEMS TO BE RUNNING ABOUT 10 TO 15,000.

THEN YOU REMEMBER SOME OF THESE HOMES ARE REAL LOW, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET GRAVITY SEWER TO THEM.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PUMP SYSTEM.

SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT ESTIMATE.

LOW END. IF IT'S GRAVITY, HIGH END, IF YOU NEED TO BUY A PUMP STATION.

ALL ABOUT IT. STEVE.

SORRY. OKAY.

ARE YOU DONE WITH THAT ONE? ARE YOU READY, KEVIN? THERE YOU GO.

ALL RIGHT. SO REAL QUICK.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, NOW GET YOUR FINGERS OFF THE KEYBOARD, KEVIN.

GOT IT. SO THIS YEAR WE'VE GOT THE CHERRY DRIVE WATER MAIN PROJECT THAT'S PRIMARILY GRANT FUNDED ABOUT $600,000 OF THE $850,000 PROJECT AND OUR MAIN STREET SAFETY PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO BID WITH HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

WE'VE GOT HALF OF THAT PAID FOR WITH A CDBG GRANT.

NOW LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR.

SO AQUATIC GARDENS.

WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB THERE.

NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S COMMISSIONER KELLY.

OH. NOT ME.

OH, SORRY.

SO, AQUATIC GARDENS.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE PROJECT WE GOT GOING, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET BETWEEN STATE APPROPRIATIONS AND FEDERAL GRANTS.

YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT ALL OF THAT PROJECT PAID FOR THE SPLASH PADS GOING IN WITH $225,000 OF GRANT FUNDING, LEVERAGED MULTI USE PATH WAS 100 K.

WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN TO MEET STATE STANDARDS THAT CAME OUT AFTER WE DID OUR FIRST ROUND AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A PRETTY GOOD BIT OF GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT.

AND WITH THAT GRANT FUNDING, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO A MARSH BASELINE SURVEY TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE CONDITIONS OF OUR MARSH ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'LL HAVE A BASELINE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS TO MONITOR ANY CHANGES WE'VE GOT.

WE'VE GOT FUNDING FOR ONE OF OUR LIFT STATIONS AT CAVALLO ROAD.

KEEP THAT FROM FLOODING OUT DURING HIGH WATER.

AND WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THERE FOR STANLEY ROAD TO DESIGN THE THE PIPE PIPELINE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPSIZED FROM STANLEY TO DONNA ROAD.

JUST QUESTION ON KABBALAH WHEN YOU FLOOD PROOF THAT DO YOU ACTUALLY RAISE YOUR MECHANICS OR DO YOU FLOOD PROOF THE BUILDING? IN THE CASE OF KABBALAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE RAISING EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING. IT'S MUCH BETTER IN THE LONG RUN.

UM, ALSO WE'VE GOT A GRANT FUNDING FOR CUTLASS DRIVE BOX CULVERT, WHICH IS ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE AQUATIC GARDENS PROJECT TO EXPAND THAT CULVERT TO GIVE IT MORE CAPACITY.

WE'VE GOT A NO MATCH GRANT FOR $200,000 TO REPLACE ALL THE BAY DOORS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS, WHICH KEEPS OUR COSTS DOWN FOR THAT PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING REHAB PROJECT.

PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS A SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL GRANT, WHICH HAS A $50,000 MATCH.

AND JOE, DON'T DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET YET? I'M NOT SURE IF WE PUT IT IN THERE YET OR NOT.

WHAT THAT IS IN AMANDA WILL BE HERE LATER.

SHE COULD EXPLAIN THAT.

BUT IT'S A IF WE DO THIS WORK FOR THE SAFE STREETS, ROADS FOR ALL, THEN THAT'LL MAKE US ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING GOING FORWARD FOR ROAD SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE'S BEING DONE.

AND A COUPLE SMALL GRANTS FOR COASTAL DUNES, REMOVING EXOTIC PLANTS AND NON-NATIVES OUT OF THE PLANTS.

AND AS JOE TALKED ABOUT, THE URBAN TREE CANOPY GRANT.

SO ALL TOTAL YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST THREE POINTS, A LITTLE OVER 3.7 MILLION IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS THIS YEAR.

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AND SOME PENDING GRANTS THAT ARE COMING UP IS CHERRY DRIVE WATER MAIN.

WE'VE APPLIED FOR ANOTHER GRANT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO HELP US WITH THAT ONE.

PRETTY SURE WE'LL HAVE THAT ONE APPROVED.

THAT'S A SIZABLE GRANT.

AND I'VE GOT A GRANT APPLICATION IN FOR A STATION GENERATOR AT 20TH STREET, WHICH ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT WILL BE APPROVED AND. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A SALT MARSH RESILIENCY STUDY, WHICH IS BASICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS WE CAN KEEP THE SALT MARSH FROM ERODING ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL AND KEEP THE CREEKS FROM WIDENING UP.

BECAUSE IF WE CAN KEEP THOSE CREEKS FROM WINDING UP IN THE BANK, FROM ERODING, THAT PROVIDES MORE PROTECTION FOR THE HOUSES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERCOASTAL.

OR THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERCOASTAL AND DON'T KNOW WHY HAVE SAFE ROADS AND STREETS FOR ALL AGAIN.

BUT I DO. SO THAT'S THAT.

JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, STEVE.

OKAY. YOU'RE STILL UP.

CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

OH, NO. I'M SORRY.

2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE HAVE THIS.

THE CITY MANAGER'S.

WELL, LET'S DO THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH FIRST AND THEN HAVE TO REPORT.

[3.F. City Manager Search]

THERE REALLY IS THAT MR. LAMAR HAS DROPPED OUT.

THE DATES JUST WERE NOT.

SOMETHING THAT HE COULD PULL TOGETHER.

SO WE'RE DOWN TO MR. NEW AND MR. STROLL, WHO ARE BOTH VERY WELL QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.

MAY I COMMENT ON THIS? CERTAINLY EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAS A TWO PAGE REPORT THAT RECAPS SOME DETAILS ON FIVE DIFFERENT CANDIDATES.

I ACTUALLY HAD JENNIFER WAGNER, ONE OF OUR CITIZENS PUT THIS TOGETHER JUST AS A CHEAT SHEET.

AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU'LL ACT ON THE TWO ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES, BUT KNOWING THE PENCHANT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO INTERVIEW CHIP DRYSDALE, HE IS ON THIS SHEET.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS A RESUME THAT WE RECEIVED, I GUESS A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

JOE.

IT WAS PLACED AT YOUR.

TWO WEEKS AGO. SO I DON'T WANT TO JUMP ON THIS AS FAR AS MY OPINION ON THE QUALITY OF EITHER CANDIDATE.

ALTHOUGH I DO WANT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF LICENSE HERE ON THIS HAVING HEARD FROM CITIZENS TONIGHT, HAVING HEARD FROM CITIZENS BY EMAIL AND AND KNOWING THE CANDIDATE, I THINK THIS BODY SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A DIALOG.

NOW, DO WE WANT TO RECONSIDER ADDING 1 OR 2 ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES? AND STARTING WITH I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS CHIP DRYSDALE AND I SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH CITIZENS ESSER, BUT IN THIS CASE NATIVE SON IS APPROPRIATE.

SO I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CHIP WOULD EMERGE AS THE NUMBER ONE CANDIDATE.

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU VOTE FOR HIRING CHIP DRYSDALE, BUT I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER INTERVIEWING HIM.

IT'S JUST NOT HARD TO DO, BUT I'LL OPEN UP DISCUSSION.

THE ONLY THING IS LAST TIME WE DECIDED THAT THE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES WHEN WE WERE GOING TO INTERVIEW THEM AND THE PROCESS RIGHT.

AND THAT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS.

YES. BUT THAT WAS BEFORE WE KNEW THAT MIKE LAMAR WAS GOING TO DROP OUT.

SO WE HAD ONE DROP OUT, RIGHT? WE HAD BASICALLY TWO MORE THAT CAME TO THE CAME TO THE FRONT.

WE'VE HAD SOME OF THESE RESIGNATIONS SINCE FEBRUARY.

SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS IS THAT WE HAVE TO SAY WE DIDN'T WE HAVE TO DO AWAY WITH WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.

RIGHT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, GO BACK AND GET A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THREE OF THE FOUR COMMISSIONERS.

IF IT'S TIED, IT'S A NO NO VOTE.

RIGHT, MOTION.

AM I RIGHT? IF IT'S TIED? CORRECT.

BUT YOU HAVE ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY AND DEXTERITY HERE, TOO.

I KNOW YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE AGREED ON SOME PROGRAM BEFORE.

YOU CAN CHANGE IT TODAY IF YOU WANTED TO.

YEAH. IT'S JUST NOT THE PERSON.

IT'S. OH.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS WHILE WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

AGAIN, THIS CANDIDATE AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE OTHER CANDIDATE OR BOTH LOCAL.

SO THERE'S NO GREAT EXPENSE AND IT'S NOT HARD TO INTERVIEW AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE ON THE FINAL SHORTLIST.

BUT I THINK DOING THE SAME EXERCISE WE DID THIS PAST OR A WEEK AGO WHEN WE INTERVIEWED INDIVIDUALLY EACH CANDIDATE BY PHONE.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY HAVING LOST ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES.

THERE WE DO THE.

YEAH. DO THE REST.

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YEAH. DO THE SYSTEM.

YEAH. I'M MORE ABOUT THE PROCEDURE THAN I.

WELL, I THINK WE DO HAVE THE RESUMES AND APPLICATIONS ON BOTH CANDIDATES, RIGHT? YES, WE DO.

SO I'VE BEEN SAYING CHIP DRYSDALE IN EACH CITY MANAGER UPDATE AND I'M INCREDIBLY PLEASED THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE COME HERE TONIGHT AND SHARED VIA EMAIL AS WELL.

I DO HAVE TO SECOND THE BAD DAD JOKES, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I MEAN, CHIP DRYSDALE IS REALLY FANTASTIC.

I WOULD BE OKAY. AND I HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLE IS SAYING ABOUT THE PROCEDURE, KEEPING IT THE SAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE NO PROBLEM CALLING CHIP DRYSDALE AND INTERVIEWING HIM VIA PHONE.

AND IF THE KILLINGSWORTH IS THE OTHER ONE.

UM, MAYOR SHAUGHNESSY MENTIONED THAT WHEN SHE INTERVIEWED FOR THE COMMISSION, INTERVIEWED FOR THEIR CITY MANAGER, THEY INTERVIEWED FIVE AND IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT THE MAYOR BRINGS UP THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE LOCAL.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED.

[INAUDIBLE] WELL, I THINK IT'S UP TO THIS BODY.

I THINK I'LL CHECK IN WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

WE'RE NOT DOING A REGULAR VOTE.

WE ALREADY KNOW WHERE COMMISSIONER WATERS STANDS ON IT.

BUT IF NEITHER OF YOU WANT TO CHANGE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THEN THAT WILL BE THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION.

I JUST THINK, AGAIN, IT'S JUST TOO EASY TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO I WOULDN'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THEM BEING AT LEAST ONE OF THEM BEING LOCAL.

THE OTHER ONE, WILLIAM KILLINGSWORTH, I JUST I DON'T KNOW, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HIM YET, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INCREDIBLE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HE SPENT WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

AND WHILE HE'S ONLY HE HAS NOT BEEN A CITY MANAGER, HE HAS BEEN DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO BEING DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS PRETTY A PRETTY BIG POSITION.

SO HE'S OBVIOUSLY GOT SOME SKILLS AND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CITY.

SO ANYWAYS, JUST IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY MORE CONVERSATION ON DIRECTION, I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR LEAD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN LACKING MOTION.

BUT JUST.

I'LL MOVE. I'LL MOVE THAT.

WE HAVE CHIP CHARLES DRYSDALE AS OUR THIRD CANDIDATE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M GONNA GET A SEAT. IT'S NOT REALLY A MOTION.

WELL, I DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED A MOTION, BUT THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE ALL THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE WORLD TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT THIS.

I THINK MAYOR IS TRYING TO PUT A, I GUESS, A PROCESS FOR INCLUDING ANOTHER PERSON.

IT'S Y'ALL'S CALL, BUT IT'S PERFECTLY JUSTIFIABLE AND DEFENSIBLE TO ADD TO NOT ADD OR.

YEAH. I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE.

[INAUDIBLE], I THINK SO, YES, I AGREE.

I AGREE. AND FOR ME, I CAN HANG MY HAT ON THE FACT THAT WE LOST ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES.

SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EXTENDING A INTERVIEW TO CHIP DRYSDALE? [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I'LL ASK ON THAT, TOO.

DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THEM SEPARATELY? LET'S JUST START WITH CHIP AND THEN WE'LL GO TO WILLIAM KILLINGSWORTH.

CAN I GET CONSENSUS FROM THE THREE COMMISSIONERS AND MYSELF TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INTERVIEWING CHIP DRYSDALE? OKAY.

WE HAD A CHANCE TO INTERVIEW HIM BEFORE AND WE DIDN'T PICK HIM THEN.

AND SO.

I HAVE NOT READ HIS ESSAY AND I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT I WOULD HAVE NOMINATED HIM THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

SO I'M NOT YOU KNOW, I'LL DO THE PHONE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M NOT STANDING HERE AND TELLING YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING HIM IN AND INTERVIEW HIM UNTIL WE'VE DONE THE PHONE.

OKAY. SO I CAN GET CONSENSUS TO AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH PHONE CONVERSATION.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO THEN AT WHAT POINT WOULD WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT WE ARE NOT MOVING THE CANDIDATE FORWARD OR WE ARE? NEXT. TWO AND A HALF WEEKS TILL OUR ACTUAL JULY.

24TH IS THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

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AND THEN WE'RE HOLDING THE ONE ON ONE INTERVIEWS ON THAT FRIDAY.

THAT'S RIGHT. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOCAL, OBVIOUSLY.

I'D SAY WE'D ALSO WANT TO CALL THE LIEUTENANT YOU SPOKE ABOUT.

YES. AND MAKE US DO THE PHONE INTERVIEW BY FRIDAY, YOU KNOW.

OKAY. GOOD RESULTS TO JOE.

OKAY. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN AND GO AS WE DID WITH THE OTHERS.

OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT ON JULY 24TH.

WE'LL JUST TELL JOE.

I THINK THE TIME CRUNCH IS HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, OUR FRIEND JOE HERE IS GOING TO BE GONE.

YEAH, RIGHT. JOE, THAT'S YOUR THEORY.

SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE YOU GET THE PHONE INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK, GIVE THE RESULTS TO CITY MANAGER.

OKAY? MAKE THE CUT AND MOVE FORWARD.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

IF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.

YEAH, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT, THEN THAT WILL BE YOUR DIRECTION, JOE.

THAT WE WILL COMPLETE THAT BY FRIDAY AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT EACH OF US WISHES TO DO MOVING FORWARD.

IS THAT OKAY? IT'S YOUR DECISION.

COLLECTIVELY.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

THANK YOU. UM, WHERE ARE WE AT? ON THE COUNT ON THE.

UM.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

YES. AMANDA.

UH, THIS IS ITEM THREE E ON THE AGENDA.

[3.E. Proposed Updates to the 2030 Comprehensive Pland and Chapter 24]

HI. GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.

I'M GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO MY PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.

SEE. BARE WITH ME JUST A MOMENT.

AND LET'S SEE.

IT'S BEEN A HARD TIME READING THAT.

AFTER 24.

SO WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF PROPOSING CHANGES TO CHAPTER 24 AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? A LOT OF THE REASONING YOU HEARD TONIGHT FOR OTHER CHANGES IS BECAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS SOME STUFF IN STORE FOR US AND THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OUR CODES COMPLIANT SINCE WE HAVE THESE CODES UPDATED OR OPEN.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER UPDATES AS WELL.

AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE ATTENDED AND MAYBE EVEN WATCHED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY SO FAR.

I THINK WE'VE HAD ABOUT EIGHT PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS.

THE IDEA OF THESE PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS IS TO GATHER THE INFORMATION AND THEN PRESENT IT BACK TO COMMISSION.

AND THE COMMUNITY STAFF IS JUST STARTED THIS AS A STARTING POINT AND A PROPOSAL.

IF YOU NOTICE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, THERE IS SOMETHING ON THERE, A LINK TO THE RED LINE VERSION OF CHAPTER 24, WHICH IS EXTREMELY LONG AND IT IS A LOT OF DETAILS AND A LINK TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

ALL OF THIS STUFF CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON OUR PROJECT PAGE.

AND WE'VE ALSO CREATED, I CALL IT A CHEAT SHEET ON OUR PROJECT PAGE, WHICH GOES SECTION BY SECTION AND EITHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CHAPTER 24 AND TELLS YOU KIND OF SOME OF THE REASONING WHY WE'RE PROPOSING SOME OF THESE CHANGES.

BUT TO START OFF WITH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

IT'S A FORWARD LOOKING DOCUMENT, LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE AND PREDICTS BASICALLY LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT IS A HOLISTIC DOCUMENT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BROAD BASED.

IT HAS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THERE AND IT GOES THROUGH ITS MANY PAGES.

AND AS I SAID, IT GOES INTO THE FUTURE.

THE BIG REASON WE ARE UPDATING THIS IS THE STATE SAYS EVERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO HAVE SOME PROPERTY RIGHT ELEMENTS INCLUDED IN IT.

SO WE ARE OPENING UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT.

WE ALSO JUST RECENTLY LEARNED THAT THERE ARE SOME MORE STATE STATUTES REGARDING SEPTIC TANKS.

SO WE'LL BE UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT PLANNERS DO IS WE LOOK WHO'S DONE IT BEFORE AND HOW HAVE THEY DONE IT.

WE TAKE THAT HOPEFULLY MODEL LANGUAGE AND TWEAK IT AS OUR OWN.

THE STATE IN OUR CASE AND ALL OF THE CASES DID PROVIDE A MODEL FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT.

THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS INCLUDED THIS IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ARE BASICALLY TAKING THEIR PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND TWEAKING IT AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

OTHER MAJOR CHANGES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDE CLARIFYING THE WETLAND BUFFER, LOCATION CHANGES TO THE DENSITY LIMITS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT IS MANAGEMENT OF LOCAL ROADS, ENCOURAGEMENT OF COMPLETE STREETS, AND THE CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT

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ELEMENT ENCOURAGE LAND CONSERVATION THROUGH ACQUISITION INCENTIVES, FLEXIBLE ZONING TOOLS TO ENCOURAGE LAND CONSERVATION AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT ENCOURAGED MIX OF HOUSING TYPES TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THAT PROPERTY'S RIGHT ELEMENT.

THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT I GAVE YOU IS A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW.

THIS IS A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THIS.

WE CAN WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND URGE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME TO GO ONLINE.

UNDER OUR PROJECT PAGE, YOU CAN GET A LINK TO THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.

ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I CAN GO INTO CHAPTER 24.

THERE. SEMI-RELATED.

OKAY. SO WE GO INTO CHAPTER 24, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I LOOK AT IT AS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE THERE.

HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT YOUR GOALS AND POLICIES OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS YOU DO IT THROUGH YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS LIKE 221 PAGES IN YOUR DOCUMENT TONIGHT.

IT IS THE MORE DETAILED VERSION OF HOW WE GET TO THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES.

AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HERE.

ALL RIGHT, AMANDA, DO YOU SAY WE HAVE THIS IN OUR DOCUMENT TONIGHT? YOU DO. IT'S UNDER THREE E, IT'S THE FIRST ITEM LINKED TO RED LINE VERSION OF CHAPTER 24 UNDER ITEM THREE E.

SEPARATED.

IT WAS A LINK.

GOT IT. GOING TO HAVE THE ONLINE VERSION.

THE ONLINE.

IT WAS ABOUT THIS THICK.

WE DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT SINCE IT'S JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

WE'RE NOT ACTING ON ANYTHING TONIGHT ANYWAY.

SO THAT MEAN IF YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THEM, YOU COULD.

YEAH, I'LL GO THROUGH IT RELATIVELY QUICK.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T WE'RE NOT ACTING ON ANYTHING TONIGHT.

THIS IS PART OF THE PUBLIC INPUT SESSION.

I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS IN THE BEGINNING, KIND OF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC AND SOME OF THOSE THOSE COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE OPPOSITE AND THOSE WILL BE THINGS THAT WILL BRING TO YOU AS A COMMISSION AND OUTLINE SO YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

BUT OUR ZONING REGULATIONS TALK ABOUT SETBACKS, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, PROTECTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES.

AND I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? THE STATE HAS MADE SOME REGULATIONS REGARDING STANDARDS FOR SINGLE AND TWO FAMILY HOMES AND HOME BASED BUSINESSES.

CHAPTER 24 IS DIFFICULT TO UPDATE UNDER ITS CURRENT STATE.

THERE WAS A SPEAKER EARLIER THAT SAID THEY GOT A LITTLE POSTCARD LAST TIME WE DID IT AND THE POSTCARD DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT.

PART OF THAT REASON IS BECAUSE OUR CURRENT CODE SAYS WE HAVE TO NOTIFY VIA MAIL EVERY PROPERTY OWNER.

THAT'S KIND OF EXPENSIVE AND THAT'S AROUND $4,000 EACH TIME WE DO IT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO CHAPTER 24 AND WOULD LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH THIS, BUT MAYBE IMPLEMENT OTHER MEANS TO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO TO GET PUBLIC INPUT ANYTIME THERE IS A CHANGE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING, A PROPOSAL IN CHAPTER 24 THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT.

ANOTHER CHANGE IS LOOKING AT DOING AWAY WITH THE MINIMUM LIVING AREA.

RIGHT NOW, CHAPTER 24 HAS SOME MINIMUM HOUSE SIZES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BUILD IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT REDUCING THOSE AND OR DOING AWAY WITH THOSE.

YOU HAVE SMALLER HOMES THAT MAKES THEM MORE AFFORDABLE.

YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL AREA FOR GREEN SPACE AND PERHAPS MAYBE PEOPLE ARE JUST WANTING SMALLER PLACES, LESS AREA TO CLEAN AND AGE IN PLACE. THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A GRAPHIC OF WHAT DIFFERENT SIZE HOMES CAN LOOK LIKE IN A COMMUNITY.

ANOTHER PROPOSED SECTION AND I'M HITTING THE HIGH POINTS OF CHAPTER 24, OBVIOUSLY IT'S OVER 200 PAGES.

WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE RIGHT NOW IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT REQUIRES ARCHITECTURAL DEVIATION BASICALLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A LONG STRAIGHT WALL OF A HOUSE.

WE HAVE THAT CURRENTLY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST CLARIFYING THAT LANGUAGE.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND REALLY KIND OF WANT TO ENCROACH INTO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

YOU GIVE A LITTLE AND SOMETIMES THEY TAKE A LOT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST PUTTING SOME MORE PARAMETERS IN THERE TO CONTROL THAT BETTER STORMWATER RETENTION FOR COMMERCIAL.

SO WE'RE NOT SEEING THE REDEVELOPMENT ON MAYPORT ROAD IN PARTICULAR THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND SOME OF THAT IS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE VERY MUCH EXCEEDING OUR LOT COVERAGE OR OUR LOT COVERAGE

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AND THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO GIVE THAT UP TO REDEVELOP.

SO THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STILL EXCEED IT AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMING DOWN IN LOT COVERAGE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO PICK ON THE KLOTZ PROPERTY.

THAT PROPERTY IS PROBABLY ABOUT 98% LOT COVERAGE.

HOPEFULLY IF THEY CAME IN AND REDEVELOPED AND WE DO HAVE PARAMETERS IN PLACE WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME DOWN BY ABOUT 10%, BUT STAFF FEELS THAT WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE TO HELP GET SOME REDEVELOPMENT ALONG MAYPORT ROAD AS LONG AS THEY ARE ATTENUATING FOR THEIR STORMWATER.

THIS IS ANOTHER SEGMENT WE DEAL WITH AND I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOT TOPIC.

THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE CURRENTLY IT'S IT IS AT 45%.

PREVIOUSLY IT USED TO BE 50.

I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO LOWER IT BELOW 45%.

AND I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO INCREASE IT ABOVE 45%.

HOWEVER, WHAT'S IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS NOT PERFECT LANGUAGE AND IT GRANDFATHERS IN PROPERTY.

BUT WHAT'S NOT PERFECT ABOUT IT IS IT DOESN'T TELL US HOW IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A HOME TODAY AND YOU'RE AT 80% LOT COVERAGE AND YOU DEMOLISH THAT HOME AND YOU WANT TO REBUILD IT BACK, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE 80% LOT COVERAGE. DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.

SO WE JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION IN THERE.

YES.

THE SPECTRUM IS IMPERVIOUS.

AND NO, YOU CAN'T COVER EVERY PART OF IT.

BUT I DO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT DIFFERENT KINDS OF ASTROPLAY ASTROTURF PAVERS.

MAN HERDSMEN.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE KIND OF A HOLISTIC SORT OF BACKROOM LOOK BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS IMPERVIOUS AND THIS IS NOT IMPERVIOUS, THERE'S A WHOLE VARIANCE BETWEEN THEM. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

RIGHT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TABLE.AND IT'S LIKE THAT.

WE TALKED ABOUT OUR WALKWAY AROUND THE DOG PARK, ETCETERA.

YOU KNOW.

DEFINITELY.

AND IT'S NOT ONE AND.

IT'S A CUMULATIVE CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR CITY ENGINEER, TOO, ON THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE PERMEABLE.

SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD FROM PUBLIC WORKS IS IT A LOT OF TIMES IT IS PERMEABLE WHEN IT AT INSTALLATION, BUT UNLESS IT'S MAINTAINED, IT DOESN'T REMAIN PERMEABLE. BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE.

MAY I ADD TO THAT MY ASK WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JOE, BUT MY ASK WOULD BE THAT WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DETAILED WORK THAT WAS PROVIDED BY MR. POWELL AS HE IS A LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEER WITH EXPERIENCE IN THAT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND OR MR. SWANN, IF THAT'S OKAY AS TO WHAT IS VALID AND ACTIONABLE WITHIN THAT DATA ON BOTH PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS CALCULATIONS, COEFFICIENTS AND SO ON.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AGREEMENT ON WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE USING AND WHY.

AND THEN SECONDLY IS TO ADD INTO THAT CONVERSATION, FURTHER CONVERSATION ON POOLS AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE WRONG ON THE 50%, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK WE COULD BE WE COULD BE SERVING THE CITIZENS PROPERLY ON STORMWATER MITIGATION AND BE ABOVE 50%, BUT MAYBE NOT AT 100. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT, BY THE WAY, WOULD INFLUENCE MY ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO AGREE WITH THE 45% LOT COVERAGE.

OKAY. I'M NOT A FAN OF GOING TO 40%.

JUST GOT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

BUT I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE GO BACK TO 50 EITHER.

YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE.

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT WE HAVE.

WAS IT YESTERDAY ON THE RAIN OR THE DAY BEFORE? OH, MY GOODNESS. THAT WAS A LOT OF RAIN REAL QUICK.

SO WE'VE GOT TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

WITH THIS PRESENTATION? AND I WOULD LIKE THIS PRESENTATION, NOT THE 212 PAGE, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER 24 PRINTED, BUT I WOULD LIKE HER PRESENTATION PRINTED FOR ME AT LEAST.

UM, BUT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, IS THIS ALL YOU HAVE SO FAR? YOU STILL WORKING OR.

SO STAFF HAS IT TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE TAKEN IT AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GATHERING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM COMMISSION, FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

WE WILL GO BACK AND INCORPORATE THAT, INCORPORATE THAT INTO STAFF CHANGES.

AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL, SOME OF IT PARTICULARLY THE LOT COVERAGE, SOME OF IT IS NO BRAINERS.

IT'S A TWEAKS TO THE DEFINITIONS THAT DON'T REALLY IMPACT ANYTHING.

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BUT IT ULTIMATELY WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION WITH ALL THESE CHANGES AND IT MIGHT HAVE OPTIONS IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, EITHER 40% OR 45% LOT COVERAGE SO OR 50% LOT COVERAGE.

SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE REVIEWED ALL OF CHAPTER 25 OR 24 SO FAR, AND THIS IS THE PRESENTATION THAT COVERS YOUR AMENDMENTS.

CORRECT. AND I JUST ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE SOME I MET WITH A CITIZEN TODAY THAT WAS RECOMMENDING THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT FOOD TRUCKS AND TWEAK THAT SECTION OF THE CODE AS WELL. SO WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S VIA EMAIL, WALK IN CUSTOMERS OR AT OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS RECEIVING FEEDBACK ON THIS DOCUMENT.

WHEN IS YOUR PLAN TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON? I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE ON THAT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON PUBLIC COMMENTS AND HOW GENEROUS OR HOW INTENSE THOSE ARE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT SOONER THAN THAT.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT TO YOU GUYS IN AUGUST.

SEPTEMBER. THE PROCESS, WHEN YOU UPDATE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU HAVE TO IT IS INVOLVED.

WE HAVE TO TAKE IT BEFORE YOU GUYS FOR FIRST READ.

THEN WE HAVE TO MAIL IT TO THE STATE AND OUR SURROUNDING CITIES.

THAT'S ABOUT 90 DAYS.

THEN WE GET COMMENTS BACK, CHANGE THOSE COMMENTS MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR FIRST.

READ ANOTHER, FIRST READ.

SO IT'S NOT A QUICK PROCESS, BUT IT IS DOABLE.

AND HOW MANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS WILL YOU BE HOLDING? I WAS HOPING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS TONIGHT AND HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND COMMISSION OR MAYBE EVEN JUST A WORKSHOP MEETING.

SO FAR WE'VE HAD EIGHT VARYING ON ATTENDANCE, BUT IT'S LIKE A LOT OF PLANNING DOCUMENTS.

PEOPLE DON'T COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK UNTIL YOU GET THE FINISHED PRODUCT PROJECT, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE MORE.

I JUST AM SEEING THE SAME CITIZENS AT THE MEETINGS.

AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE NEXT ONE YOU WANT TO DO IS A WORKSHOP WITH THE COMMISSION.

AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

I'D LIKE TO GET THAT SCHEDULED.

SO THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT LOCK COVERAGE, WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT POOLS.

AND OUR DECISION WAS THAT BASED ON THE BEHAVIOR OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT THE POOLS WOULD NOT.

WOULD BE EXCLUDED.

AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF CHECKING WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE FENCE EVEN FOR ENFORCEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, VERIFICATION. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY POOLS WENT ON THERE.

AND LIKE TONIGHT, THE GUY WITH THE ASTROTURF OR WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE FAKE GRASS, UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT HOLDS UP, WHETHER IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE.

AND AGAIN, ONCE WE LET IT GO OUT, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHECK OR THE ABILITY TO CHECK.

AND SO EVEN IF THERE IS SOME THAT'S PERMEABLE, IF IT NEEDS UPDATE, THEN WE GOT TO LEAN IN THE DIRECTION OF CONSERVATIVENESS BECAUSE WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THEM.

YEAH. AND THAT'S ANOTHER CHANGE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN CHAPTER 24 IS THE USE OF ASTROTURF.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS STAFF AND HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND PUT IT OVER CONCRETE AND WANT TO TELL US IT'S PERMEABLE UNDERNEATH.

UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WE ARE STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT IT STILL BE ALLOWED BUT IT WOULD BE COUNTED TOWARDS YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA.

SO WELCOME.

ANY COMMENTS ON THAT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S A CHANGE.

SO AGAIN, I KNOW WE WON'T GET INTO ALL DETAILS TONIGHT, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE, WHICH IS SECTION 24 DASH 91, DEALING WITH THE 2.5FT ABOVE THE ADJACENT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE 500 YEAR.

AND I'M PROBABLY JUST MISREADING IT OR MISUNDERSTANDING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

BUT FEMA DOES NOT REQUIRE FLOOD INSURANCE IN A 500 YEAR ZONE.

SO THAT IS OUR DECISION AS A CITY BASED ON, I ASSUME, THIS COASTAL VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FINDINGS.

CORRECT, THAT THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THAT SECTION REGARDING THE 2.5FT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

NOW IN CHAPTER 24, UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING, UM, YEAH, IT WAS JUST MOVED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.

BUT BUT CITY CODE DOES REQUIRE YOU TO BUILD 2.5FT ABOVE THE ADJACENT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.

BUT SEE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, DO WE? AND PARDON ME FOR IGNORANCE ON THIS, BUT DO WE ACTUALLY GET A BASE FLOOD ELEVATION FROM FEMA ON A 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN?

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YES, THEY PRODUCE MAPS FOR US AND WE USE THEIR MAPS, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ON OUR WEBSITE, AND IT'LL TELL YOU FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, WHATEVER FEMA DETERMINES THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES 2.5FT ABOVE THAT.

OKAY, THEN I AM CLEAR.

SO THEN THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE BEYOND THAT AND WE CAN TALK MORE LATER, BUT IS WHAT IS BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS COMING OUT OF, I ASSUME, AGAIN, COASTAL VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FINDINGS.

I ASSUME NOT ALL OF IT, BUT MUCH OF IT.

THIS SECTION OF THE CODE IS RELATED TO SOME OF THAT.

OKAY. FLOODING AREA.

WELL, THANK.

YOU. I'M DEFINITELY MORE INFORMED.

I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER AS A GROUP.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ARTIFICIAL TURF REGULATIONS.

REGARDING THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO AREAS BASED ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THEY ARE CIRCLED ON THAT MAP.

THE AREA WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD IN SHOWN IN ORANGE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, AND THE AREA SHOWN IN BROWN JUST ON THE EAST SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD NORTH OF PLAZA, AND MAKING THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL EXISTING LOTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY.

THEY'RE CONSISTENT. HOWEVER, THEY'RE DEVELOPED OR TRIED TO BE DEVELOPED AS TWO FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY.

THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT.

SO RIGHT NOW WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAYS IS YOU CAN HAVE A DUPLEX ON 100 BY 100 FOOT LOT AND THOSE AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.

BUT YOU COULD NOT HAVE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.

THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

THE GRAPHIC BELOW, YOU COULD HAVE TWO TOWNHOMES, BUT YOU COULD NOT HAVE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU COULD HAVE FOUR TOWNHOMES, BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE INCENTIVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

OR YOU COULD KEEP THE TOWNHOMES COMMERCIAL BUILDING SETBACKS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT REQUIRING BUILDINGS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS TO GET CLOSER TO THE STREETS.

BASICALLY, IT WOULD REQUIRE PARKING TO GO BEHIND THE BUILDING AS WELL.

THERE'S EXAMPLES ON THE TOP, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

EXAMPLES ON THE BOTTOM IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PHASE OUT OF DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE TRADITIONAL MARKETPLACE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALONG MAYPORT ROAD.

CURRENTLY. WE ALLOW MIXED USE IN THAT AREA, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE RETAIL OR OFFICE IS DELETING THAT AND JUST ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT IF THE DEVELOPER SO CHOOSES.

CAN YOU PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND AND GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE? SO DURING THE TOWN HALL MEETING, JOSEPH'S PETE OWNER ACTUALLY CAME IN TO TALK ABOUT THE AWNINGS.

AND WE I WONDERED, DID IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE WALKABILITY? IS THAT WHY YOUR DEPARTMENT TURNED THEM DOWN? SO THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS THE FRONT OF THAT PILLAR? IT'S HARD TO TELL.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN PUG THE MOUSE ON IT RIGHT HERE.

SO THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY BUILT AND THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF A ZERO FOOT SETBACK.

THIS RECESSED AWNING BACK HERE IS RECESSED A COUPLE OF FEET, MAYBE THREE FEET.

BUT THE HARD PROPERTY LINE IS THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE BRICK AND THE I GUESS IT'S CONCRETE.

THERE THEY WERE SEEKING TO PLACE AN AWNING OUT OVER ONTO CITY PROPERTY.

SO BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY LINES.

SO THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

SO MAY I INTERJECT ON THIS? SO CLEARLY, YOU WERE JUST FOLLOWING CODE.

YES. BUT MY QUESTION, I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS IS IF WE WANTED TO ENTERTAIN ALLOWING THAT IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGING THE CODE AND ALLOWING AN AWNING THAT ACTUALLY EXTENDS INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED TO ME THE PROCESS IS, FIRST OF ALL, TAKE IT TO THE CBD AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE CBD.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S CODE AND IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT? I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN SEEK A VARIANCE.

I WOULD NEED TO GET WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY SINCE THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T OWN.

GOOD POINT.

UM, BECAUSE IT'S AN AWNING, IT WOULD ALLOW WALKABILITY.

SO IF THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE CODE IS WHY IS THE CODE SAYING THAT YOU ARE YOU WORRIED THAT THERE WOULD BE A TABLES THAT WOULD BLOCK THE WALKWAY.

SO THE CODE REALLY JUST ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER.

OR THE BUILDER TO GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO ENCUMBER OVER INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PRIVATE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT CHANGING THAT IN THIS.

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IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE WOULD WORRY AND IF THE CODE DID ALLOW IT, THE AWNING, BUT WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IN ANY SIDEWALK THAT WE ARE AT LEAST MAINTAINING ADA WALKABILITY AND THAT THE TABLE AND CHAIRS WOULDN'T GET OUT AND BLOCK THAT.

SO BUT THE AWNING, IF YOU DID ALLOW AN AWNING, IT WOULDN'T THEN YOU WOULD JUST SAY THERE COULDN'T BE CHAIRS OR TABLES SITTING THERE.

I THINK IT COULD BE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW TABLES AND CHAIRS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD NEED TO THE TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT ARE THERE NOW ARE FINE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

BUT WE COULD LOOK AT UPDATING THE CODE TO ALLOW AN AWNING OVER THE SIDEWALK.

WE DO HAVE A PROVISION IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO LEASE SIDEWALK SPACE FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S A REVOCABLE USE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT ENCROACHMENT.

YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO LONG ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST KIND OF LETTING YOU KNOW IT SEEMS TO BE ON MORE PEOPLE'S MIND, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU THINK COULD BE SOLUTIONS, IF YOU EVEN AGREE WITH IT.

AND THEN I THINK MAYBE CHECKING IN WITH MISTER BOLE BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE TOWN CENTER GROUP, WHAT DID WE CALL IT? BEACHES, TOWN CENTER AGENCY.

SO THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPINION.

I KNOW THAT.

OKAY. WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY INPUT THAT WE CAN TAKE BACK AND LOOK AT AND SEE IF WE CAN ADJUST THE CODE ACCORDINGLY.

BUT AMANDA, WITH THIS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO FROM THE ZERO SETBACK TO THE TEN FOOT SETBACK.

NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE IN SOME COMMERCIAL AREAS, WE HAVE A 20 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK.

SO YOU CAN'T GET CLOSER THAN 20FT.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT WE REQUIRE THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MODEL POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AFTER IS BRINGING THESE CLOSER TO THE STREET WITH A MAXIMUM SETBACK.

SO IT COULD NOT BE ANY FURTHER BACK THAN WHATEVER WE DECIDE 10 OR 15FT.

WHAT THAT DOES TO DEVELOPMENT IS YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY FIT A CAR IN THAT 10 TO 15FT.

AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPMENT TO CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND NOT LIKE THIS IN THE CARS WOULD BE BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.

OH, I SEE.

YEAH, IT USUALLY CREATES.

A MORE IT'S ENCOURAGING ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT TO NOT SPEND THE FRONT PORTION OF THAT SETBACK USING PARKING.

SO IT GOES BACK.

AND IT USUALLY CREATES A MORE PEDESTRIAN TYPE FEEL WHEN YOU BRING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET AND IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT NICER WALKING ENVIRONMENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS.

UM, HIT THAT ALREADY.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS TO BE PLACED IN THE CODE.

SPECIFICALLY, WE WANT WE DON'T WANT THESE METAL BUILDINGS, THESE STARK WALLS WITHOUT ANY ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF.

WHAT WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THROUGH THE CODE WOULD BE SOME CHANGING OF THE FACADE WINDOWS AND DOOR PLACEMENTS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH HERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY CHANGING SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES SPECIFICALLY ALONG MAYPORT CORRIDOR.

WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF AUTOMOTIVE USES AND WE WANT TO PHASE THOSE OUT.

THINK THAT SHOULD BE PHASED OUT AND THOSE HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR IN PARTICULAR.

WE'RE LOOKING AT REGULATIONS REGARDING COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS AND RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S A FREE FOR ALL, LITERALLY BUMPER CARS OUT THERE.

YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY DRIVEWAYS AS YOU WANT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.

THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE SHOWN IN ORANGE ARE OUR DRIVEWAYS, APRONS.

IT'S VERY UNSAFE TO WALK OR EVEN DRIVE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS.

IT'S CONFUSING FOR MOTORISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING REGULATIONS FOR THAT DRIVEWAY REGULATIONS RESIDENTIAL TOO.

IT'S RECENTLY COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENT OF DRIVEWAYS.

SOME OF THEM ARE TOO CLOSE TO INTERSECTIONS AND THEY NEED TO BE MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE IT IS BLOCKING THE LINE OF SIGHT.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKED IN THESE DRIVEWAYS, WE DON'T JUST COME INTO CODES, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY TYPICALLY LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY DO AS WELL. SO A LOT OF THESE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED THROUGH THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND CITIES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW ARE OUR COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPING CODE REQUIRES A LANDSCAPE ISLAND AND LANDSCAPING, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY IT

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TELLS YOU ON THE TERMINAL ENDS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE SPRINKLING THESE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS LOOK IN THE PARKING LOT AND YOU HAVE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WITHIN THOSE PARKING SPACES.

NEXT STEPS TALKED ABOUT THIS, PERHAPS A JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND COMMISSION.

UM, I DO ENVISION US EVENTUALLY GETTING ALL OF EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

WE'VE STARTED THE LIST AND GOING THROUGH UPDATING CHAPTER 24 IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAYBE MAKING A, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL.

THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY EASY STEP, BUT WHERE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

COMING BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER IN DEPTH.

LOOK, I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS A PROCESS WE DO, AT LEAST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVE TO SEND IT IN TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW.

SO. ALL OF THIS STUFF IS ON OUR WEB PAGE AS WELL.

SO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

ARE YOU ALSO LOOKING AT THE ZONING ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND OR MAYPORT ROAD AS IT RELATES TO SELF STORAGE? WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND LOOKING AT ADDING IT BY A USE BY EXCEPTION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL PARAMETERS ADDED IN THERE.

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AMANDA, YOU.

GET THIS ONE.

AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT JOINT MEETING.

THAT'LL BE GREAT. OKAY, JOE, I THINK YOU'RE FINISHED, RIGHT? YEAH.

FOR NOW.

YOU'RE SO FINISHED.

OKAY, SO WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM FOUR REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH CANDACE TODAY.

I URGE YOU TO ATTEND THE SPEAKER SERIES AT THE SC HAS BEEN PRODUCING.

THEY'VE HAD SOME REALLY EXCELLENT SPEAKERS AND SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR US IN THE FUTURE, SO.

THAT'S IT. WELL, YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.

I DON'T THINK WE KNOW HOW LUCKY WE ARE, BRITTANY.

NORRIS PROBABLY KNOWS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETTER THAN, I WOULD SAY MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER BEEN IN THIS ROOM.

AND SHE'S A PROPONENT FROM THE BEACHES, SO WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE BRITTANY IN A VOICE BECAUSE WE KIND OF GET THE RAW END OF THE DEAL ON AN AGREEMENT.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL THE STAFFORD GRANT FUNDING, I BET.

AND MAYBE JOE CAN CAN LET US KNOW, COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OF OUR SIDE, WE DO A GREAT JOB IN GRANT FUNDING.

YES, THERE ARE CITIES THAT DON'T COME CLOSE.

YES. TO THOSE BECAUSE THE STAFF.

THAT'S THE TIME AND EFFORT AND THAT SAVES US ALL MONEY AND IT MAKES THE CITY BETTER.

SO HATS OFF TO EVERY GUY THAT WORKED ON THOSE GRANTS.

EVERYBODY THINKS WE'RE SPENDING LIKE MAD.

WE'RE SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.

THE FARMERS MARKET ON SUNDAYS.

PACKED. CAN'T GET A SPACE DOWN HERE.

THAT'S A GOOD MOVE THAT COMMISSION MADE EARLY ON WHEN WE WENT FROM THE NON PROFIT TO THE PROFIT.

AND I THINK THAT THING IS JUST BLOWING UP AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE.

AND AMANDA, PEOPLE SHOULD THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR DETAILED WORK THAT YOU WORK ON THIS.

AND WHEN YOU SEE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT I SEE A PICKLEBALL COURT.

UH HUH. GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, RING.

THE TOWN HALL MEETING WAS A GREAT SUCCESS.

WE HAD NO STAFF PRESENTATIONS, NOTHING REALLY ON THE AGENDA JUST TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THEY SHOWED UP AND THEY SHARED AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS.

SO I JUST IMPLORE EVERY CITIZEN TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS TO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR QUESTIONS WITH US, EITHER AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT DURING COMMISSION MEETINGS OR THE TOWN HALL OR VIA EMAIL.

I WANT TO THANK KEVIN AND JOE FOR ADDING THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH UPDATE TO OUR NEWSLETTER AS WELL AS ONLINE.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS WHO ARE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THOSE UPDATES.

AND THEN I JUST WANT TO THANK STOP COMMITTEE FOR MEETING.

JULY 5TH WAS THEIR FIRST MEETING.

I BELIEVE THEY'VE CHOSEN THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

IS THAT THE CHOICE AND CITIZENS FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT AND COMMENTS ON SAFETY, TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN.

IF YOU DIDN'T END UP ON THAT COMMITTEE PLEASE STILL GO AND AND SHARE AND VOICE THOSE CONCERNS WHEN THEY MEET.

THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO READ A PART OF A LETTER THAT I RECEIVED TODAY FROM A RESIDENT DATED JULY 10TH FROM THOMAS

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MELBA, AND HE STARTS OUT, DEAR MAYOR FORD, IS HE GONE? QUESTION MARK, TWO WORDS NO ONE EVER WANTS TO HAVE TO SAY OR HEAR, THANKFULLY, TO THE OUTSTANDING WORK OF ATLANTIC BEACH LIFEGUARD TEAM.

MY SON DID DID NOT HAVE TO HEAR MY WIFE RESPOND WITH A YES, MEANING HE'S GONE WHILE STILL AT THE BEACH SPEAKING WITH THE LIFEGUARD TEAM.

I'M GOING TO PASS THROUGH WHAT HE SAID.

BUT HE WAS HERE, WHAT, TWO DAYS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE STORM COME THROUGH AND IF ANYBODY WAS HERE, I WAS OUT OF TOWN.

BUT MY WIFE HAS INFORMED ME IT CAME UP LIKE A FURY.

IT WAS DONE PRETTY QUICK.

BUT IF YOU WERE OUT IN THAT OCEAN WHEN THAT STORM CAME THROUGH, YOU WERE AT HIGH RISK.

SO I'M GOING TO FINISH WITH THE LAST PARAGRAPH.

I CAUTIOUSLY SAY THAT I THINK I COULD HAVE MADE THE SWIM BECAUSE HE LOST HIS BOARD TRYING TO SAVE HIS HIS WIFE'S BOARD.

BUT I AM BLESSED THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THE TEAM OF JOSH BARNHART AND TOM HARDY CAME TO MY RESCUE.

SO THESE ARE LIFEGUARDS.

I'M INDEBTED TO THEM.

AND THE FINE TEAM OF OF LIFEGUARDS IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THEY ENDANGERED THEIR OWN LIVES TO COME TO RESCUE OF SOMEONE THEY'VE NEVER MET.

AND THEY ENSURED THAT AN 11 YEAR OLD BOY WOULD NOT HAVE TO ENDURE THE WORST, ONE OF THE WORST NIGHTMARES A CHILD COULD EVER EXPERIENCE THE LOSS OF A PARENT.

SO THANK YOU, JOSH.

THANK YOU, TOM.

AND WANT TO MAKE SURE, JOE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS LETTER, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT CHIEF KNOWS ALL ABOUT THAT AND CELEBRATES THAT WITH THE LIFEGUARDS.

SURE. SO AND AT THIS TIME, I'LL GO TO ITEM 11 ON THE AGENDA.

CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS TODAY? NO, NOTHING FOR ME. THANK YOU.

OKAY. LADAYIJA OKAY.

NOW I'M GOING TO ITEM 12, BUT TODAY I'M STARTING WITH CITY MANAGER JOE GERRITY BECAUSE I USUALLY FORGET TO CALL ON HIM.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

SO, JOE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WILL BE WELL RECEIVED.

BUT THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ME KNOW I'VE SAT IN EVERY SEAT ON THIS DAIS.

IN ADDITION TO MY OWN SERVE, TWO YEARS OF MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER.

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH YOU INTERVIEWING MR. DRYSDALE OR MR. KILLINGSWORTH. BUT THIS IS A LATE ENTRY.

WE'VE HAD ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS FOR PROBABLY THREE MONTHS AND THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN ON THAT.

THE OTHER ONE CAME TO US ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO.

THERE WAS VERY LITTLE ACTION ON THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

THEY BOTH ARE.

HAVE HAD SOME VERY PROMINENT CITIZENS SPEAK HIGHLY OF THEM, BOTH MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND MR. DRYSDALE. MY CONCERN IS FOR OUR TWO CANDIDATES THAT ARE EMPLOYED AS CITY MANAGERS NOW.

WHEN YOU ARE EMPLOYED.

BY A CITY COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL.

AND YOU TELL YOUR COUNSELOR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB OR THEY FIND OUT.

THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS OR HOWEVER IT WORKS.

THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB.

YOU'VE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF.

THE RELATIONSHIP AWAY FROM THAT COMMISSION AND THAT MANAGER.

AND THERE HAS TO BE A DEGREE OF TRUST.

AND THESE GUYS BASICALLY STUCK THEIR STICK, THEIR NECK OUT WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN HERE FOR INTERVIEWS AND MAKING IT PUBLIC THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB AND. THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ME WILL ALSO KNOW THAT I LIKE TO PLAY BY THE RULES.

I CAN GO RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE RULES.

BUT I LIKE TO PLAY BY THE RULES.

AND THIS CONCERNS ME FOR THESE TWO GENTLEMEN.

AND I THINK THAT IF I DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

UM.

YOU KNOW, I'M BEING NEGLIGENT OF WHAT I WAS BROUGHT HERE FOR.

SO I'M FINISHED.

NO, THANK YOU, JOE. AND I ECHO SOME CONCERNS THERE.

AND ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO WAIT BECAUSE I'M THE LAST ONE TO GO.

SO LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER KELLY FOR HER COMMENTS.

WELL, IT WAS. WE JUMPED ALL THE WAY FROM THE REPORTS TO THE CLOSING COMMENTS.

I'VE BEEN.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOOD, MR. BOLE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM YOU, MISS RING? UM, FOR ALL THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS THEY WOULD LIKE US TO SHARE DURING THE INTERVIEWS OF THE CITY MANAGER, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THOSE.

OKAY, I'LL FINISH UP WITH THE LAST COMMENT AND WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION TODAY.

IT'S ALL GOOD, BUT I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON THE REQUEST BY MORE THAN ONE CITIZEN TO INCLUDE OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IN THE

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INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND I'M ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT.

WE'LL NOT SUPPORT THAT AT ALL.

NO, MA'AM.

YEAH. OKAY.

THANK. WELL, OKAY, SO I'VE HAD EMAILS FROM PEOPLE ASKING THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER BE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS AND IN SOME CASES IN INTERVIEWING.

BUT I HAVE AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN HIRING PEOPLE AND I IN THIS CASE, I WOULD NOT WANT OUR CITY MANAGER TO BE PUT IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION.

SECONDLY IS, I THINK AS I LISTENED TO MR. GERRITY ON THE THE PROTOCOLS AROUND THIS, IT'S HIGH RISK FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS COMING IN TO INTERVIEW, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE COMMON COURTESY PROTOCOL.

AND WE STILL CAN GET INFORMATION.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF I CARE TO KNOW WHAT MR. HOGENCAMP THINKS ABOUT A CANDIDATE, I CAN GO SEE HIM.

THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ME FROM HAVING A CONVERSATION LATER BEFORE I VOTE TO UNDERSTAND IF HE HAS SOMETHING OF VALUE TO TELL ME.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC FORUM.

NEED, SO I'M NOT GOING TO TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

BUT IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

YES. YOU CAN HAVE A.

POINT OF ORDER TO COME FROM THE DIAS.

SORRY, IT'S JUST.

MAYOR THAT WOULD COME FROM THE DIAS.

SO NO.

HAVE A POINT OF ORDER QUESTION AND IT ISN'T ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

MAYOR IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK? NO, MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO PASS ON THAT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST, THOUGH.