Jul 24, 2023 Commission Meeting

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WELCOME NEIGHBORS, GUESTS AND CITIZENS.

[CALL TO ORDER]

HELP US ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION.

ALLOW US TO GROW CLOSER AS A GROUP AND NURTURE THE BONDS OF COMMUNITY.

JOIN ME, PLEASE, ON THE PLEDGE.

ALLEGIANCE].

THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED JULY 24TH, 2023, OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. I WANT TO WELCOME BACK A STRANGER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN OUR CITY CLERK IN 30 DAYS.

WELCOME BACK FROM EUROPE.

WE MISSED YOU.

YOU CAN YOU CAN APPLAUD ON THAT.

YOU WERE YOU WERE DEFINITELY MISSED.

HOWEVER, I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT LIDIJA DID A FABULOUS JOB IN YOUR ABSENCE.

THANK YOU, LIDIJA.

AND GO BACK NOW? NO.

YES, YOU CAN IN FIVE YEARS.

I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE BEFORE WE GET STARTED, SOME OFFICIALS HERE WITH US TODAY WANT TO START WITH MAYOR SHAUGHNESSY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE ANY OTHER MAYORS HERE.

I DON'T SEE ANY.

I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO WELCOME AND THANK BOTH BOTH OF OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY. KEON MICHAEL AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR YARBOROUGH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION.

COMING UP, I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A LITTLE CHANGE IN THE ORDER.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL, DONNA.

SO, COMMISSIONERS, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB RESOLUTION FORWARD TO DIRECTLY AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO PARTICIPATE.

UM. LET'S SEE.

I'M SORRY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

EXCUSE ME? WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT RIGHT AFTER THE PRESENTATION FROM MR. YARBOROUGH AND MS. MICHAEL. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT I MOVE THAT WE MOVE UP THE ITEM BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, TOO, RIGHT AFTER YARBOROUGH'S DISCUSSION. OKAY.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. OKAY.

LET'S SEE. WE WE HAVE SOME SOME MINUTES.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[2.A. Presentation of check for Aquatic Gardens Drainage Improvements]

AND I'D LIKE TO.

SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE, DO YOU WANT TO MEET ME AT THE LECTERN? AND WE'LL DO IT THERE TOGETHER.

YOU GOT THE MIC HERE? OKAY.

WE CAN DO THAT. SURE.

WHATEVER WORKS BEST HERE.

SO, MAYOR, THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

I'M CLAY YARBOROUGH. I SERVE FOR SENATE DISTRICT FOUR AND THE FLORIDA SENATE.

AND I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH REP KEON MICHAEL, WHO'S OUR STATE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE IN TALLAHASSEE TONIGHT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE'RE GLAD TO PLAY A SMALL PART TO HELP THE COMMUNITY OUT HERE WITH THE HOPKINS CREEK FLOODING ISSUE.

I KNOW THAT THIS WILL GO TO HELP.

I THINK IT'S CUTLASS, THE CULVERT THERE THAT'S ON CUTLASS AND ALSO SOME OF THE DITCH REHAB AND THE HOPKINS CREEK AREA.

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SO WE'RE JUST GLAD TO PLAY A SMALL PART.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTERS IN TALLAHASSEE TO TRY TO GET MORE STATE FUNDING IF WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE.

BUT WE'RE GLAD TO PLAY A SMALL PART WITH THIS.

AND THANKS FOR LETTING US BE HERE.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I'M SORT OF NEW AT THIS, SO I HAD TO WRITE A FEW THINGS DOWN.

AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE, ALL OF THE CONSTITUENTS.

THANK YOU ALL. AND, UM, IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

AND I WOULD AGREE WITH SENATOR YARBOROUGH.

WHAT AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SPONSOR WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS DISTRICT AND FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND TO SPONSOR IT IN THE HOUSE WHERE I SAY EVERYTHING IS LIKE A CIRCUS THERE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL I MEAN, IT LITERALLY IS VERY BUSY.

AND WE'RE VERY WE'RE GOING AT IT BECAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING OVER OUR MONEY AND AND THAT AND THEN GO OVER TO THE SENATE SIDE AND IT'S SO CALM AND RELAXING.

JUST WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO THANK MY STAFF DESTINY FOR BEING HERE.

AND IT IS AN HONOR TO REPRESENT YOU ALL.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AQUATIC GARDENS DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT WAS A BLESSING TO ME BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO GO BACK AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS VERY QUICK AND I'M AWARE OF THE DEVASTATION FROM THE STORM OF AUGUST OF 2016, AND I'VE HEARD SOME OF THE STORIES FROM A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT LOSS DUE TO THE FLOODING.

I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE PROPOSED PLANS THAT I READ ABOUT WHICH IS THE DREDGE, TO DREDGE THE POND TO CREATE MORE STORM WATER DAMAGE, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE POND OUTFALL.

SEE DID MY HOMEWORK.

I'VE BEEN READING AND RESEARCHING OR CONSTRUCTING A PERMANENT POND PUMPING FACILITY TOGETHER WITH THE FUTURE GENERATION WILL BE PREPARED TO WEATHER THE PROJECTED 100 YEAR FLOOD.

THAT YOU ALL ARE PROJECTING FOR 2044.

SO IN CLOSING.

THE ASSET FUTURE GENERATIONS BECAUSE I'M THINKING 2044.

WOW. WHAT AGE WILL I BE AT THAT TIME? IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S AN HONOR TO SERVE YOU ALL.

AND IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE A I WANT TO MENTION ONE THING THAT OUR OFFICE HAS SCHEDULED AN EVENT FOR YOU ALL FOR THE CONSTITUENT, UM, ON AUGUST 9TH FROM 1 TO 3.

AND IT WILL BE AT THE PABLO CREEK REGIONAL LIBRARY.

IS THAT OKAY IF I MENTION THIS? OKAY. IT'S FOR YOU ALL.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOME OF OUR AGENCIES SUCH AS JEA AND DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES, VETERAN AFFAIRS, DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, THE TAX COLLECTORS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JSO ZONE TWO COMMANDER TO COME OUT.

SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE BRINGING THE SERVICES TO ONE PLACE, THE PABLO CREEK LIBRARY, SO THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE YOU ALL.

SO THAT IS IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL AND SENATOR YARBOROUGH, WE ARE SO THANKFUL THAT YOU REPRESENT US.

THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THIS ISN'T ALL THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER TOGETHER AND ACHIEVE GREAT THINGS.

BUT BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS IS AN ACCUMULATION OF FUNDS FOR THIS STORM WATER PROJECT.

UM, STEVE, ARE WE AT 2.5 MILLION ON THOSE FUNDS? YEAH. SO WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE SUM OF MONEY THAT WE'RE NOW WILL BE DEPLOYING.

WE NEED MORE HELP.

WE STILL HAVE FLOODING ISSUES, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FROM THE AQUATIC GARDENS COMMUNITY WITHIN ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT THOSE PEOPLE IN AQUATIC GARDENS AND DIRECTLY BEHIND LA FITNESS.

WHAT STREET IS THAT, STEVE? NOT ROYAL PALM, BUT RIGHT BEHIND IT.

BUT ANYWAYS, THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE MOBILIZE ON THIS BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS. THANKFULLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD SERIOUS FLOODING PROBLEMS IN THEIR HOMES SINCE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT THEY'RE STILL FLOODING AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.

THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

AND CAN WE GET A.

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HEY.

ALL RIGHTY. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE THE BOYS AND GIRLS RESOLUTION.

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 23-23]

IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, AS WE'RE GOING TO THAT ITEM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM BEFORE ACTION IS TAKEN ON IT, I JUST ASK THAT WE RESPECTFULLY, IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO ENTERTAIN THAT AND THEN GO RIGHT INTO THE MATTER ITSELF.

ANYBODY INTERESTED IN SPEAKING.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS ON THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB CONTRACT.

I THINK THAT'S ITEM C HERE.

THAT'S ITEM EIGHT, A ACTION ON RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION 23-23, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION.

AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, DONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE SPEAKING TONIGHT IN THE REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT? TEN. OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW SOME LICENSE TONIGHT AT FIVE MINUTES.

AND WE'LL START WITH OUR CURRENT SPEAKER AND WE'LL SET THE CLOCK AT FIVE MINUTES.

HI, I'M AMY ROSE.

I HAD OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE IN PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YOU CAN COME BACK. IS THIS.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TWICE.

OKAY. AMY ROSE I'M AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT AND I LOVE THIS IDEA FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY I'M HERE TO SPEAK.

I JUST HAD I WENT OVER THE THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I AM DEFINITELY FOR THIS.

MY KIDS WENT TO BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WHEN THEY GREW UP HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, GOING TO ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY WE, I REALLY, REALLY NEEDED THEIR HELP, FOR MANY YEARS OVER AT FLETCHER, I BELIEVE IT WAS FLETCHER MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO I LOVE THIS IDEA.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO BE JORDAN AND GAIL BAKER, BUT THE MORE THE MERRIER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST BRING UP A COUPLE THINGS.

IF THIS WAS LIKE AN ACTUAL CONTRACT, I'M NOT A LEGAL PERSON, BUT JUST SOME THINGS TO TO LOOK AT IN THE LANGUAGE OF IT.

SO AGAIN, OVERALL, I LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT, BUT I JUST LITERALLY JOTTED SOME PEN NOTES BEFORE I GOT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP OR IF ANYONE CARES OR IF IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT ALL ALONG IT WAS THOSE TWO LOCATIONS.

SO THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU GUYS ARE DECIDING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS ALSO PROVIDING A VEHICLE FOR THEM.

SO WE'RE GIVING IT TO THEM AT AT NO CHARGE OR LETTING THEM ALLOWING THEM TO USE IT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

IF ANYONE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, DURING THE CLUB PROGRAM HOURS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE FIRST PRIORITY OVER EVERYTHING. AND I JUST WONDERED HOW THAT MIXES IN WITH THE PUBLIC AND OTHER KIDS THAT MAY KIDS OR FAMILIES THAT DON'T NECESSARILY AREN'T GOING TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

MAYBE THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CONTRACT CONTRACT LIKE YOU'RE STICKING THEM TO THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE THEN SAYS EXPRESS EXCEPTION TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR ANY OF ITS NEEDS.

SO THERE'S AN EXCEPTION IF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH WANTS TO USE IT FOR ANYTHING.

AND IT JUST SEEMED KIND OF GENERAL TO ME.

I JUST AM TRYING TO HELP PREVENT ISSUES LATER AND.

AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

ANY COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS BY THE CLUB OR IF THERE ARE COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS DESIRED BY THE CLUB, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY WILL MATCH FUNDS UP TO $100,000 FOR THAT, WHICH IF WE HAVE THAT, THAT'S GREAT.

OR IF YOU ALL HAD DISCUSSED THAT, THAT'S FINE.

IT ALSO ASKS FOR NAMING RIGHTS.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE AGREEMENT TERMINATES, IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT BACK, LIKE I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT AGAIN, DON'T TAKE THIS AS LIKE I'M BEING

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IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY UTILITIES.

I REMEMBER HAVING TO PAY SOMETHING TO BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, SO MAYBE IT'S ALL FREE NOW.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. MY LAST KID GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL IN 2018, SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.

AND THEN IF ALL THE OTHER BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OPERATE THE SAME WAY AS THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON THERE.

SO THAT WAS BASICALLY IT. BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I'M GLAD YOU ALL CAME TO AN AGREEMENT ON IT, AND I THINK IT'LL HELP A LOT OF ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS FOR SURE.

THANK YOU, MISS ROSE.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? EDGAR FOR ALL THE SPEAKER FORMS. WELL, OUT OF ALL OF THESE.

NO ONE LISTED THIS TOPIC.

DID WE WANT TO JUST SEE IF ANYBODY.

YEAH, THIS IS OPEN JUST FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB RESOLUTION.

OKAY, HEARING NONE, WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA.

AND I'M GOING TO TO READ THE TITLE OF THIS IS UNDER CONSENT.

WAIT A SECOND. IS THIS CONSENT? NO, IT'S RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-23, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB CLUBS OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA, INC FOR PROGRAMING MANAGEMENT OF GAIL BAKER COMMUNITY CENTER AND JORDAN PARK COMMUNITY CENTER.

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. GARRITY.

YES. ONE OF THE CITY'S GOALS THAT THEY SET IN THEIR 2023 PRIORITIES WAS TO EXPLORE ALLIANCES WITH A CHILD SERVICE ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM AND ENSURING THE PROGRAM HAS QUALIFIED EDUCATORS ON STAFF AND SERVING AS VOLUNTEERS.

WHEN I GOT HERE, I LOOKED AROUND AND SEE WHAT SEE WHAT WE COULD DO.

WHEN I TALKED TO KEVIN A LITTLE BIT AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THE KIDS HEALTH ALLIANCE AND GRANTS THEY WERE GIVING OUT FOR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. AND WE IMMEDIATELY APPLIED FOR ONE WHEN THE OPENING WHEN THE GRANT PERIOD OPENED AND WE WERE IMMEDIATELY TOLD WE WEREN'T ELIGIBLE BECAUSE WE WERE WE WERE NOT A NONPROFIT.

SO KEVIN GOT ON THE PHONE, CALLED THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND SAID, WHAT? WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING THIS TO FRUITION, TO ATLANTIC BEACH? AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME GIVE HIM THE CREDIT.

HE GOT ON TOP OF IT AND HE GOT IT DONE FOR US.

UM, YOU CAN ASK US ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'VE HAD THE CONTRACT GONE OVER BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD GOOD AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GREAT AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS NOW.

SO, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOE? OKAY. RIGHT. WELL, THEN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 23-23 AS READ.

I SECOND IT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED.

MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

THANK YOU. NOW LET'S TRY TO GET BACK TO THE BEGINNING.

UH, LET'S SEE. OKAY, NOW WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

SO YOU SAID YOU HAVE TEN PEOPLE.

EACH PERSON HAS UP TO FIVE MINUTES, AND I'LL LET YOU READ THE FIRST NAME.

ANDY ANDERSON.

GOOD EVENING. I'M FIRST GOING TO TALK ABOUT RESOLUTION 23-26, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF THE DORA DRIVE PROPERTY.

HONESTLY, I HAVE NO STRONG ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS TO PURCHASING IT FOR A RETENTION POND.

MY CONCERN IS WITH THE PRICE THAT YOU ARE AUTHORIZING.

I WENT AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE PURCHASER HAD BOUGHT IT FOR ONLY SIX YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS $350,000.

AND I LOOKED AT WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS IT APPRAISED FOR FOR 2023.

NOW, I KNOW THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS ALWAYS LOW, BUT THAT WAS $438,000.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY IS WILLING TO PAY THREE TIMES WHAT THE THE SELLER PREVIOUSLY BOUGHT IT FOR ONLY SIX YEARS AGO. THREE TIMES AS MUCH.

AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER, AS YOU SIT THERE, THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

HAS IT GONE UP THREE TIMES AS MUCH IN SIX YEARS? I DON'T THINK SO. MAYBE TWICE AS MUCH.

I MEAN, I GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE.

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I THINK 1,075,000 IS TOO MUCH.

THAT BEING SAID, AS TO THE CONTRACT ITSELF, THERE ARE TWO PLACES IN IT WHICH CAUSE ME CONCERN.

ONE OF THEM IS IN PARAGRAPH FOUR SUB A IN WHICH IT SAYS IN THE EVENT SELLER FAILS TO PROVIDE THE MATERIALS SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT D AND THE MATERIAL IS TO PROTECT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FROM HAVING UNFORESEEN LIABILITIES.

IF THEY FAIL TO TO PROVIDE IT, THE BUYER MAY NOT TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.

AND REQUEST RETURN OF THE ESCROW DEPOSIT FURTHER.

THE FAILURE OF THE SELLER TO PROVIDE THE THE MATERIALS EXHIBIT D SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE A DEFAULT.

IT SHOULD BE SHALL.

IT SHOULD BE MAY, BUT FOR SOME REASON NOT WAS PUT IN THERE.

THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR DEFAULT.

AND YET THERE IT IS.

AND FINALLY, WITH REGARD TO THE CONTRACT, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PLACES IN THE CONTRACT ITSELF.

ONE IN, I THINK 17.J, WHICH HAS PROVISIONS FOR CONFIDENTIALITY, AND ANOTHER IN SECTION 19 VERY LONG PROVISION WITH REGARD TO CONFIDENTIALITY.

AND I KNOW THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS HAS HAD TO BE BRIEFED ON SUNSHINE LAW, AND THUS YOU MUST KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW AND YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT KIND OF CONFIDENTIALITY ENFORCED AGAINST YOU.

IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS CONTRACT.

SPECIFICALLY, REAL PROPERTY NEGOTIATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING COVERED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS, ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT.

SO THOSE PROVISIONS SHOULDN'T BE IN HERE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I HOPE THAT MEAN YOU GUYS CAN STILL PASS THE RESOLUTION.

I'M JUST HOPING YOU AGREE THAT YOU CHANGE THE CONTRACT TO AMEND IT TO TAKE OUT CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISIONS THAT ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE AGAINST THE CITY.

AND ALSO MAYBE CONSIDER THAT THE PRICE IS TOO HIGH NOW.

GOLLY, I'VE STILL GOT A MINUTE AND A HALF, SO I MIGHT AS WELL TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

HEY, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LAND ADJACENT TO HANNAH.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING DIRECTLY TO ME, BUT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING IF ANYTHING HAS BEEN DONE AS FAR AS NEGOTIATIONS OR ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE REGARDING DEEDING THE LAND TO THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IN RETURN FOR SOME CONCESSIONS AS TO ENTRY FEES AT HANNAH PARK SINCE IT'S LAND ADJACENT TO HANNAH PARK.

YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.

I'LL CONTINUE BRINGING IT UP UNTIL SOMEBODY TELLS ME THE DEAL IS DONE AND I MIGHT AS WELL FORGET IT.

SO THAT'S THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I'M BRINGING UP IS AND I'VE EMAILED EACH OF YOU ABOUT THIS AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO LISTEN TO THIS IS GETTING THE VETERANS PREFERENCE, WHICH IS PRESENTLY A POLICY FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, CODIFIED INTO AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON. BRINKLEY HARRELL.

GOOD EVENING I'M BRINKLEY HARRELL.

I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL A BREAK FROM MY PRESENCE FOR THE LAST 6 OR 8 WEEKS.

SO NOW THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOME ANOTHER BUDGET RELATED ITEM, THE MILLAGE RATE ON THE AGENDA.

THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY HERE FOR.

4 OR 5 DAYS AGO, I POSTED IN ABOUT 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT FACEBOOK GROUPS TRYING TO URGE PEOPLE TO CONTACT YOU TO UTILIZE THE ROLLBACK RATE.

WELL, ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED ON THAT MADE IT CLEAR THAT NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE ROLLBACK RATE IS.

EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S A TAX CUT.

IT IS NOT A TAX CUT.

YOU KNOW, MOSTLY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S LISTENING AND PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED TO THOSE VARIOUS FACEBOOK POSTS.

THE ROLLBACK RATE IS THE MILLAGE RATE THAT WILL GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

THE SAME AMOUNT.

OKAY. IT'S NOT A CUT.

IT JUST ISN'T AS MUCH OF A, IT JUST ISN'T AN INCREASE.

THE PRIMARY THING IS IT'S NOT AN INCREASE.

NOW, ALONG WITH THAT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, OR IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THE CURRENT BUDGET, WAS THE RECORD BREAKING BUDGET THAT THE CITY'S EVER HAD.

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THE SILVER ARENA DRIVE, MULTI-USE PATH, THE FLYOVER MURAL AT $200,000.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, TOO.

A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT GOT FUNDED OR MONEY SET ASIDE, LIKE THE 16TH STREET CROSSOVER, THE LEVY ROAD, MULTI-USE PATH, $200,000 SPENT ON THE CLAM TRUCK FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT OR REALLOCATED TO MOSTLY TO ROAD PAVING OR RESURFACING.

EXCUSE ME. UM, WHERE IF YOU KEPT THE MILLAGE RATE.

BACK TO THE ROLLBACK OR YOU KEPT THE REVENUE LEVEL WITH LAST YEAR'S REVENUE, YOU'LL STILL HAVE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND ON SPECIAL PROJECTS.

AND REALLY THE BIGGEST SPECIAL PROJECT THAT MOST PEOPLE SEE IN THIS CITY IS A CONDITION OF THE ROADS.

THE MAJOR ROADS.

NOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, BY UTILIZING THE ROLLBACK RATE RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED RATE, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR'S RATE, THAT'S ONLY A DIFFERENCE OF $755,000.

IF YOU USE THE PROPOSED RATE, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE $755,000 MORE.

AS CITY STAFF STARTS PREPARING THIS BUDGET AND CITY STAFF CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO SPEND THAT MONEY, IT MIGHT BE ON ANOTHER FLYOVER MURAL SOMEWHERE, OR MAYBE MIGHT GET A SPLASH PAD AT BOLE PARK SINCE I WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE NEW SPLASH PAD OVER ON THE MARSH SIDE.

BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO UTILIZE THE SAME MILLAGE RATE AS THE ROLLBACK RATE AS THE PROPOSED RATE.

THAT WAY, CITY STAFF WON'T GO CRAZY AND SPEND ANOTHER 755,000 MORE DOLLARS ON THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSION OR THE NEXT COMMISSION MAY HAVE TO CHANGE AROUND AGAIN.

BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, WE REALLY DIDN'T LIKE THAT THING.

SO LET'S MOVE THAT MONEY BACK OVER TO ROAD RESURFACING OR SOMETHING.

NOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS AD VALOREM TAXES ONLY ACCOUNTS FOR 13% OF TOTAL BUDGET REVENUES.

ONLY 13%.

WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE OTHER TAX REVENUES, THE HALF CENT SALES TAX, A GAS TAX, HOTEL TAX AND A NUMBER OF OTHER TAXES THAT HAVE BEEN INCREASING AND INCREASING AND INCREASING EVERY YEAR, WHICH.

NOW WE'RE ONLY SPENDING 13% OF THE BUDGET COMES FROM FROM OUR PROPERTY TAXES.

I WILL TRY TO FOLLOW UP THIS WITH AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU SHOWING WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE ALL CONTAINED IN THE FORM THAT'S POSTED AS PART OF THE AGENDA ONLINE THAT GOES TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY CAN GENERATE THE TRIM NOTICE.

AND IT WOULD BE A REALLY COOL THING IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE HAPPENED TO BE THE SAME AS THE ROLLBACK RATE.

OKAY, IT WOULD BE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS WHAT WAS GENERATED LAST YEAR.

IT'S NOT A CUT, BUT IT'S NOT AN INCREASE JUST THE SAME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL ALLOWING ME TO TALK TO YOU AS OFTEN AS I DO.

THANK YOU, MR. HARRELL.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON TIME.

AMY ROSE.

HELLO AGAIN. I'M AMY ROSE.

I AM ALWAYS POSITIVE AND RESPECTFUL WHEN I'M UP HERE, AND I HATE TALKING IN PUBLIC, AND I'M NOT SURE IT GOES ANYWHERE BECAUSE I'M USUALLY IN THE MINORITY OF PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IN THIS TOWN.

I'M STILL SPEAKING OUT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I AM.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT I DO SPEAK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DON'T SPEAK OUT.

BUT REGARDLESS, I WAS JUST UP HERE A COUPLE MINUTES AGO AND BROUGHT UP SOME POINTS ABOUT THE CONTRACT OR THE AGREEMENT WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND YOU ALL JUST PASSED A RESOLUTION WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL.

SO I AM CLEARLY IN THE MINORITY AND I AM VERY RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

I DID HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I MAY AGAIN BE THE ONLY ONE.

UM, SO BESIDES THAT TOPIC, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER UP CITY MANAGER JOB UPDATE.

I'M EVERYONE'S PROBABLY SICK OF SICK OF ME TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGH EMAIL OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING IN PUBLIC ABOUT IT YET.

AND THEN I HAVE AND I'LL SAVE THAT FOR LAST BECAUSE I DID HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THE DORA DRIVE PROPERTY AND I HAVE BEEN

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BUT I ACTUALLY DROVE OVER THERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME CITY PEOPLE THAT RESPOND TO ME REALLY WELL AT THE CITY AND ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS.

AND I FIGURED I OWED IT TO THIS PARTICULAR PERSON IN CHARGE OF THIS PROCESS TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT MYSELF.

AND I AM A REAL ESTATE BROKER.

I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.

WE'RE ALSO REAL ESTATE INVESTORS HERE AND THERE.

UM, AND SO I FEEL LIKE I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND SO THIS DORA DRIVE PROPERTY, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT WHICH CAN BE ANSWERED LATER IF YOU CHOOSE TO OR NOT TO.

BUT THE ONLY BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS NOT THE VALUE OF IT.

I MEAN, I HATE TO TELL YOU ALL, BUT THE VALUE IS PROBABLY CORRECT.

AND JUST AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO SAY THAT, AND GOOD FOR THESE INVESTORS TO PURCHASE IT AND HANG ON TO IT.

AND THEY'VE TOLD ME DIRECTLY THAT THEY, THEY PLAN ON DEVELOPING IT.

THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET.

I DON'T KNOW. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT.

BUT ANYWAY, IN THE LANGUAGE IN THE MEMO, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE PROPERTY.

IT SAYS THE PROPERTY COULD POTENTIALLY BE UTILIZED AS GREEN SPACE PARK STORMWATER POND OR A COMBINATION OF THE THREE.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PLAN, AN ACTUAL PLAN FOR THIS BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD.

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A MILLION.

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 5 MILLION, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S OVERPRICED.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A WHILE.

I THINK THE IDEA IS GOOD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OUR CITY ENGINEERING OR LITERALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

BUT I DID DRIVE OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

I WONDER IF YOU'VE TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE AND ALSO IF YOU'VE SEEN A PLAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO BE TURNED INTO A POND OR WHATEVER STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MEANS.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE'S A HOUSE OVER THERE THAT'S BEING REMODELED.

I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THAT'S PART OF IT.

IF SOMEONE'S PURCHASING THAT AS WELL, THERE IS A HOUSE BACK THERE.

IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL FOR SOME GREEN SPACE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT.

YOU CAN ACCESS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN ONLY ACCESS IT FROM MAYPORT ROAD RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME TO THAT SPACE.

BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE ALL OF THE PARCELS, THERE'S THREE PARCELS OR IF YOU COULD JUST PURCHASE THE ONE TO HELP WITH YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

BUT THE POINT IS I'D LIKE TO SEE A PLAN AND I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD ASK FOR THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT ALSO SAYS ALTHOUGH DETAILED ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ANALYSISES HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

AND I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME, SO LUCKILY FOR THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DID EMAIL SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY CHIP DRYSDALE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PROCESS.

I WAS GOING TO ALSO MENTION WILLIAM KILLINGSWORTH, BUT YOU ALL ADDED HIM MAGICALLY, SO I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

I AM NOT THE PERSON STANDING UP HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR HIM.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

I WANT TO DIRECT EXPLANATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS NOT WHO DOES NOT WANT TO INCLUDE HIM ON THE PUBLIC INTERVIEW PROCESS.

I THINK WE ALL DESERVE THAT.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST CHANGING THIS PROCESS FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. ROSE. EMILIO PEREZ ? THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME TO SPEAK.

FIRST AND FOREMOST. FOREMOST.

MY NAME IS EMILIO PEREZ AND I HAVE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR TWO YEARS IN THE STREETS AND MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AT PUBLIC WORKS.

WHILE I LOVE MY JOB AND I WORK VERY HARD, IT'S I JUST DON'T MAKE ENOUGH WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK.

TO EVEN BUY A HOME THROUGH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY I DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR INCOME WHILE I CAN AND HAVE LOOKED FOR ADDITIONAL INCOME.

QUALITY TIME WITH MY FAMILY IS ALSO IMPORTANT AS WELL AS MY OWN PERFORMANCE FOR THE CITY AND WORKING MULTIPLE JOBS INTERFERES WITH ALL OF THAT.

I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND A SINGLE FATHER.

I GREW UP OUT HERE AND I WORK OUT HERE.

ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS THE RIGHT THING BY PROVIDING FOR MY FAMILY.

AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, I HAVE DEDICATED MY TIME AND EFFORTS TO SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

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AND IT IS DISHEARTENING TO REALIZE THAT EVEN WITH A STEADY JOB, I CANNOT AFFORD TO PURCHASE A HOME THROUGH HABITAT.

IT IS ESSENTIAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR EVERY HARD WORKING INDIVIDUAL.

HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR FAMILIES IN NEED.

HOWEVER, THIS CURRENT SITUATION LEAVES EMPLOYEES LIKE ME FEELING LEFT OUT AND UNDERVALUED.

THE CITY SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING ITS EMPLOYEES' WELL-BEING BY ASSURING THEY CAN AFFORD DECENT HOUSING.

BY INCREASING WAGES OR OFFERING ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY TAILORED FOR EMPLOYEES SEEKING HOMEOWNERSHIP THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HABITAT, THE CITY WOULD WOULD DEMONSTRATE ITS COMMITMENT TO ITS WORKFORCE WELFARE.

MOREOVER, INVESTING IN OUR EMPLOYEES ABILITY TO OWN HOMES WOULD NOT ONLY BENEFIT US, BUT ALSO STRENGTHEN STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

STABLE HOUSING PROMOTES STABILITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE PHYSICAL HEALTH, MENTAL WELL-BEING, AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN. IN CONCLUSION, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TAKES ACTION ON THIS MATTER PROMPTLY BY ADDRESSING THE ISSUES OF INSUFFICIENT AND INSIGNIFICANT WAGES AND PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR ITS EMPLOYEES, SEEKING AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPTIONS THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HABITAT, WE CAN CREATE MORE PROSPEROUS FUTURE WITH BOTH INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERING LOOKING.

THANK YOU, MR. PEREZ, AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

ART GABRYNOWICZ? GOOD EVENING, ART GABRYNOWICZ . IT'S LIVE ON SHERRY DRIVE NORTH.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B, WHICH IS RELATED TO RESOLUTION 23-24.

THAT'S THE EXPENDITURE OF TREE CONSERVATION TRUST FUND, ALSO KNOWN AS A TREE FUND.

WE HAD A MEETING LAST TWO WEEKS AGO.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE MET AND WE DISCUSSED A PROPOSAL TO ALLOCATE $15,000 FROM THE TREE FUND TO SUPPORT A GRANT. AND WE APPROVED THAT.

AND WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT WITH THE RESERVATION.

AND THE RESERVATION IS THAT WE FELT THAT THE TREE FUND, IT SOUNDS SIMPLE AND ACTUALLY THE WORD SIMPLE IS IN THE WORDING OF THE APPLICABLE CHAPTER PARAGRAPH IN THE TREE FUND CODE.

BUT IT'S NOT SIMPLE AT ALL.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TREES, JUST TREES.

FUNDS ARE GENERATED FROM MITIGATION FEES PAID INTO THE FUND WHEN SOMEONE BY PERMIT REMOVES A TREE AND THEY CAN'T REPLACE IT WITH A LIKE TREE OR A NUMBER OF INCHES, SO THEY PAY INTO THE FUND.

SO OVER THE YEARS, THIS HAS GENERATED SOME SOME MONEY IN THE TREE FUND HAS GROWN AND SO HAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE $15,000 TO GO TO THE FUND.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS THIS WAS MONEY THAT WAS USED TO SUPPORT A GRANT THAT WAS PRESUMABLY ALREADY BUDGETED 15,000 FOR THAT. SO IT CAME UP THAT WE SUPPORTED THAT.

WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUALMS ABOUT IT, BUT JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR RESERVATION ABOUT HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, BECAUSE WE HAVE PLANS FOR THAT MONEY.

WE HAVEN'T FORMULATED THOSE PLANS.

WE HAVEN'T COME TO YOU WITH THOSE PLANS.

BUT THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN HAS A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR RESILIENCE AND SUSTAINABILITY AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO THAT HAS TO DO WITH RESILIENCE.

SUSTAINABILITY SOMEWHERE IN THAT EQUATION APPEARS TREES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION RELATED TO TREES.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS WE HAVE WITH TREES, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS THAT WERE KICKING AROUND IN OUR HEADS ARE ARE PROTECTED AND USED FOR TREES.

AND AGAIN, IT'S MORE YOU LOOK AT THAT, PLEASE LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT SAYS SIMPLE, BUT IT'S NOT SIMPLE BECAUSE THERE'S MISCONCEPTION THAT IT IS JUST FOR TREES, BUT IT'S FOR EDUCATION, IT'S FOR OUTREACH, IT'S FOR VEGETATION, IT'S FOR A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS.

SO THE SPRINKLER INCLUDED IN THAT.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS.

YES, IT DOES. I THINK IN MY ESTIMATION IT DOES BECAUSE YOU NEED A LOT OF TREES.

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SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT AND WE SUPPORT IT.

BUT IF YOU WERE TO READ THAT CAREFULLY AND SAID, WHAT IS THE SC RESERVED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF TREES, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.

AND WE HAVE NO NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING IT, BUT ITS A LITTLE DICEY ABOUT HOW WE WORD IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE UPSET.

IT'S NOT OUR MONEY, IT'S THE COMMUNITY'S MONEY.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE SUPPORT THAT.

TWO OTHER QUICK ITEMS. ONE HAS TO DO WITH THIS WEEKEND'S SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK.

IT WASN'T IN A PARK.

IT WAS IN A THEATER. IT WAS FABULOUS.

SO JUST A SPECIAL HATS OFF.

I THINK I SCARED TRINA AWAY BY SAYING I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU, BUT TRINA DID A GREAT JOB.

HER STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB.

IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE A VERY, VERY POWERFUL.

ARTS RECREATION CULTURE PROGRAM, AND TRINA AND HER STAFF DO A FABULOUS JOB.

SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP.

A LOT OF THAT IS BASED ON VOLUNTEER WORK, SO HATS OFF TO THEM.

THEIR VALUE IS REALLY HARD TO ESTIMATE, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT IF IT GOES AWAY.

BUT THAT VALUE IS TO THE COMMUNITY, SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT STRONG.

THE LAST THING HAS TO DO WITH THE.

CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

AND LOOKING AT IT AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON SO FAR.

AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE SC AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE HAS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS BROUGHT MORE AND MORE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES TO THE FOREFRONT TO CONSIDER AND TO ACT ON.

AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THE ACTION.

WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT THERE ARE PRIORITIES.

BUT IF YOU REVIEW THE CURRENT LANGUAGE AND HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINAL DRAFT OF IT, NOBODY HAS.

DOESN'T EXIST YET, BUT THERE'S NOT ANY MENTION OF ENVIRONMENT IN IT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SC WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT REFLECTS THE LEADERSHIP AND COMMITMENT THAT THE COMMISSION HAS AND THE CITY HAS TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

BUT IT'S MORE THAN STEWARDSHIP.

IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL LEADERSHIP.

SO I WOULD LIKE A SENTENCE.

IF I CAN FINISH MY SENTENCE INCLUDED, THAT SAYS WE SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL LEADERSHIP.

HOWEVER, IT'S WORDED, BUT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL LEADERSHIP IS SO CRITICAL TO BEING IN THE CITY CHARTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. GREGORY POWELL ? EVENING. MAYOR COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS GREG POWELL AND I'M LIVE AT 18717 MARINA DRIVE.

I'VE COME HERE TONIGHT SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THAT'S UNDER RESOLUTION 2326 FOR THE PROPERTY ON DORA DRIVE.

THE PRIMARY JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A STORM WATER RETENTION FACILITY, ALTHOUGH A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WERE ADDED IN THERE AS WELL.

IF THIS PROPERTY IS PURCHASED IN A VERY CAREFUL MANNER, IT COULD REPRESENT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO CONTROL STORM WATER.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT'S NOT DONE CAREFULLY, IT REPRESENTS A LIABILITY FOR THE CITY AS WELL.

UM, WHILE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

WE DO DILIGENCE EFFORTS.

MY CONCERN IS THAT DUE DILIGENCE HAS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND THE STAFF REPORT SPECIFICALLY AND EXPLICITLY SAID THAT THE DETAILED ENGINEERING ANALYSIS HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED. FURTHERMORE, THE AGREEMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT IT SAYS IT GIVES THE CITY 60 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES RELATING TO THE PROPERTY.

IN MY OPINION, AS AN ENGINEER THAT DUE DILIGENCE NEEDS TO INCLUDE AT A MINIMUM, THREE ITEMS. FIRST IS A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, AND DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS FROM THAT SITE ASSESSMENT, A PHASE TWO, AN ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT MAY ALSO BE REQUIRED.

THE SECOND THING IS A TREE SURVEY.

I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST LOOK AT THE TREES THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY, IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE REGULATED TREES UNDER THE CITY'S ORDINANCE AND WHAT AREAS NEED TO BE SET ASIDE TO PROTECT THOSE TREES AS WELL.

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SORRY. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS WITH THESE FIRST TWO THINGS IN HAND, FURTHER ENGINEERING EVALUATION NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY WILL IN FACT BE ABLE TO MEET THE STORMWATER OBJECTIVES THAT WERE STATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND TO REVIEW THE COST AND BENEFITS THAT GO WITH THAT PURCHASE. I THINK THAT A 60 DAY WINDOW IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO DO THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES BEFORE MAKING A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR COMMITMENT.

I RECOMMEND THE CITY NEGOTIATE, AT A MINIMUM, A 90 DAY WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL CONCEDE MY TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. POWELL.

DR. NANCY STOTTS? GOOD EVENING. I SEE THE CLOCK IS STILL AT 120.

IS THAT OKAY? OH, NO WORRIES.

I PROBABLY ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES WORTH OF STUFF ANYWAY.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

NANCY STOTTS. MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD.

JUST BRIEFLY, SINCE HE JUST MENTIONED THAT ABOUT THE LAND USAGE AND PURPOSE.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH OUR PRIOR SPEAKERS THAT I FIND IT ODD THAT WE WOULD PURCHASE AT THIS SORT OF PRICE WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN, AND B, ALL OF THE ENGINEERING INFORMATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.

UM, SO I'M NOT AS SMART AS HE IS.

SO IF HE RECOMMENDS THOSE PHASES AND SO ON OF, OF HOW YOU SHOULD EVALUATE, I WOULD TAKE THAT 100% SERIOUSLY.

AND, AGAIN, I AGREE.

IT JUST FEELS LIKE CART BEFORE THE HORSE SITUATION.

MY MAIN PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SELECTION PROCESS.

THE CITY MANAGER PROBABLY YOU ALL WOULD AGREE, IS ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN OUR CITY'S GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE.

UM, IT AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, THE PROCESS REALLY FEELS OPAQUE AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE COULD TAKE UP.

IT WON'T HELP FOR THIS SITUATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A CLEARER PROCESS ON HOW WE DETERMINE WHO IS INTERVIEWED AND TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE PROPERLY.

SO WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY WAS ONE PERSON TO INTERVIEW AT THE LAST ROUND THAT DIDN'T GO SO WELL.

WE DID PUT OUT MORE FEELERS AND GOT A COUPLE MORE FOLKS.

WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER, WHICH SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE VERY HANDY HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH. THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND HAVE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE AS A CITY MANAGER, WHICH I'M SURE OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER WOULD AGREE IS VERY HELPFUL.

THERE IS A SECOND CANDIDATE ALSO WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, ALTHOUGH WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.

WE HAVE A LATE ENTRY OF A REAL ESTATE AND URBAN PLANNING DEGREE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS WORKED FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BUT HAS NO CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE.

UM, AS HAS BEEN ALREADY STATED, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL CANDIDATE INTERESTED WHO IS A LIFELONG PUBLIC SERVANT, LIFELONG ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT WHO UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT PERMITTED TO INTERVIEW.

SO WE ALSO, IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS, RAISED THE SALARY, I BELIEVE IT WAS 150,000.

NOW UP TO THE 190 TO 225 RANGE, WHICH IS A PRETTY HEFTY RAISE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY THAT HAPPENED.

MAYBE WE WEREN'T GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE APPLYING, BUT WE WERE ALREADY ON THE HIGH END OF PAYING.

SO I JUST AT SOME POINT I WOULD LOVE SOMEONE TO ADDRESS HOW WE ARRIVED AT $225,000.

AND WHAT IS THE EXACT BREAKOUT FOR THE HOUSING STIPEND.

NOW, AS OUR CHARTER READS RIGHT NOW, YOU MUST BE AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT BY SIX MONTHS AFTER YOU TAKE THIS JOB.

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UM, SO MR. GARRITY WAS ASKED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE RECENTLY WHAT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN YOUR OPINION, OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW? AND HE ANSWERED WITHOUT HESITATION.

STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST PART OF THIS MEETING WAS ABOUT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO ALL OF YOU, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE CANDIDATES, THIS CITY MANAGER HAS GOT TO ALSO AGREE THAT OUR RESILIENCY, OUR STORM WATER, ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, NOT DEVELOPMENT, NOT URBAN PLANNING, WE ARE BUILT OUT, BUT WE NEED SOMEONE WHO WILL RESPOND TO OUR RESILIENCY ISSUES.

SO WITH THAT, I DO WISH YOU LUCK IN THE IN THE SEARCH PROCESS.

AND I THINK WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, TAKE A LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED FOR NEXT TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, DR. STOTTS.

KIM WHEATLEY? OKAY, DON'T GET THIS, THIS THING IS NOT.

AFTERNOON, I GOT TIED UP IN A CAR PROJECT.

HENCE I LOOK A LITTLE BIT ROUGH TODAY.

THIS IS ABOUT THE ACQUISITION OF THE PENDING ACQUISITION OF DOVER DRIVE.

UM. I BECAME AWARE OF THIS DUE TO A BUSINESS LEADER ARTICLE, AND FROM WHAT I READ, THE LONE DISSENTING.

THERE WAS ONE DISSENTING VOTE AND I'M THINKING THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD TAKE WE SHOULD TAKE A REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL AND SEE IF IT'S WORTH WORTH OUR WHILE.

THE VALUATION OF $2 MILLION IS VERY HIGH, ESPECIALLY FOR A PARTIAL WETLAND PROPERTY WITH SEMI-ACTIVE CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT.

I REALIZE THE VALUE OF ANYTHING IS IS WHAT A WILLING SELLER AND A WILLING BUYER WILL AGREE TO.

THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS IN 2016 FOR $225,000, THEN AGAIN TO A RELATED PARTY OF 350,000.

SO THE BASE REALLY IS 225.

IT'S NOT 350.

FIRST THING I SEE DEVELOPERS AND REALTORS AS BEING OPPORTUNISTS THAT ARE PERPETUATORS OF POPULATION POLLUTION, NOT JUST ME.

WHY DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE GETTING FIVE TIMES OR TEN TIMES IF THE $2 MILLION VALUATION IS TO BE BELIEVED, THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO.

I'M PERPLEXED.

BEING A GADFLY AT CITY COUNCIL FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

I KNOW THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF TIME INTO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT EVERY ISSUE.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALLY GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT.

I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THIS AND WITH GREAT, MUCH GREATER KNOWLEDGE THAN I HAVE.

AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT IN THIS INSTANCE THAT PEOPLE ARE PAID ATTENTION TO IN YEARS PAST, THEY WEREN'T.

AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M UP HERE, BECAUSE I'M STILL DISAPPOINTED WHAT HAPPENED IN YEARS PAST AND NOT SO SEEING THAT I'M HOPING IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS TIME.

I THINK IT WILL. I'M THINKING PERHAPS BY THE PROPERTY.

I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE IT VACANT.

IT SEEMS TO BE SUCKING UP A LOT OF WATER RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE GOOD CORE IMPROVEMENTS TO MITIGATE STORM WATERS.

VERY IMPORTANT. ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP THAT, WE GOT TO DO IT, NO QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW THE THRESHOLD FOR FOR OBTAINING THE APPROVAL COUNCIL APPROVAL.

IN YEARS PAST I'VE SEEN RUBBER STAMPING OF SOME SCHEMES THAT I'M STILL SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON.

UM, WE SPENT MONEY LIKE THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

THE ZERO LILY DRIVE FIASCO OR GENERATED BY ADMINISTRATION THAT WOULD JUMP AT ANY BONE THROWN ITS WAY.

POISONOUS OR NOT.

THEN THERE IS THE FRANCIS DRIVE FIASCO.

IN MY MIND. THE DEVELOPER GOT FULL VALUE AFTER HE PURCHASED A PROPERTY MERE MONTHS BEFORE, AND THEY GOT ALL SORTS OF VARIANCES FOR FENCE HEIGHT AND FOR SETBACKS. THE LESSER FORTUNATE NEIGHBORS CAME HERE, VOICED OBJECTIONS.

THEY WERE TOTALLY IGNORED, COMPLETELY IGNORED.

THEY WERE SCREWED BY THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION.

IN MY MIND, THAT WAS WRONG.

YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS ARE DISENFRANCHISED AND EVEN MORE SO NOW, OF COURSE, WE DREW UP SOME NEW PLAQUES OR AWARDS TO GIVE THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 4 YEARS.

GUESS WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY MIGHT BECOME IMPORTANT.

UM, IN CLOSING, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY REAL CLOSELY.

AT ANY LARGE EXPENDITURE, PLEASE SPEND MORE DUE DILIGENCE THAN WE HAVE FOR THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WHEATLEY. BECKY BECKENBAUER.

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ATTORNEY. I RECENTLY SENT AN EMAIL TO EACH OF YOU KIND OF IN THEME WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AROUND THE PROCESS AND HOW HOW WE'VE GONE ABOUT KIND OF THE HIRING OF THE CITY MANAGER, THE SELECTION OF THE CRC AND ALL.

AND IN MY WRITING I SAID TO EACH OF YOU THAT I WAS A VERY CONCERNED CITIZEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT A CITY OF OUR SIZE AND STATURE DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF A STANDARDIZED PROCESS IN PLACE FOR SELECTION OF A CITY MANAGER OR FOR THE CRC, WHICH QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF YOU AND TO FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO NOT HAVE TO REINVENT THAT PROCESS EVERY TIME WE'RE IN A HIRING SITUATION.

I WORK FOR A LARGE COMPANY.

WE HAVE A VERY STRUCTURED HIRING GUIDELINES THAT WE USE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S TREATED FAIRLY, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT THE MOST APPROPRIATE, TALENTED PEOPLE FOR THE ROLES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE FOR, AND THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF DISCREPANCY BETWEEN HOW WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON WHO WE'RE PUTTING INTO TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS.

AND I GUESS MY OBSERVATION HAS BEEN THAT.

SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY IS KIND OF LIKE WE'RE FLYING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS AND BUILDING THE PLANE AS WE'RE FLYING IT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WHICH DOESN'T, I WOULD THINK, MAKES THE JOB DIFFICULT FOR ALL OF YOU AND ALSO CREATES KIND OF A LACK OF TRUST WITH THE CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY, WHICH FOR A CITY LIKE THIS, I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME GOOD THINGS TO HAPPEN.

WE WANT A GOOD CITY MANAGER.

WE WANT A GOOD CITY ATTORNEY, A GOOD CITY CLERK.

AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS BY WORKING TOGETHER AND TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY.

I DID HEAR BACK FROM A FEW OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

ONE IN PARTICULAR MENTIONED THAT THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THE CHARTER, AND THIS IS A PERFECT TIME TO DO THAT. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A CHARTER REVIEW, SO WHY NOT WORK? EITHER DEVELOP A COMMITTEE OR HAVE THE COMMISSION WORK ON DEVELOPING GUIDELINES FOR THE HIRING OF THOSE POSITIONS.

AND THAT WAY WE'D HAVE A STANDARDIZED YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO THIS EVERY TIME.

WE NEED TO PUT SOMEBODY NEW INTO PLACE, WE WORK OFF OF BASICALLY A COOKBOOK OF THIS IS THE PROCESS.

I KNOW DR.

WATERS, YOU, I'M SURE, USE ALGORITHMS AND GUIDELINES IN TREATING COPD OR TREATING ASTHMA.

I MEAN, PROVIDERS DO THAT, AND IT'S REALLY TO PROTECT YOU AND TO PROTECT THE PATIENT.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE SAME GUIDELINES WITHIN OUR CITY CHARTER TO HELP CREATE THAT PATHWAY SO THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF QUESTION AROUND WHY ISN'T THIS PERSON GETTING AN INTERVIEW AND WHY ARE WE PUTTING SOMEBODY IN AT THE LAST MINUTE? IT JUST CREATES, I FEEL LIKE NOT A REAL TRUSTING, TRANSPARENT ENVIRONMENT.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WHILE THE CRC IS IS WORKING ON REVIEWING THE CHARTER, THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER SOME GUIDELINES FOR HIRING ALL OF THESE VERY IMPORTANT POSITIONS.

AND I'M HAPPY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A COMMITTEE TO WORK, I WOULD VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES TO HELP WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN AND CONSIDER MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MS. BECKENBAUER.

BARKER? HI THERE, SUZY PARKER.

AND MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD.

AND. I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

SOME BETTER THAN OTHERS.

I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND.

MY GOD, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH YOU GUYS? I DON'T KNOW. THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF FINDING A CITY MANAGER IS JUST BEWILDERING TO ME. I GUESS THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER CANDIDATE.

SO NOW WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES.

THE PROBLEM IS.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

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AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT FROM THAT MEETING WAS THAT YOU ALL MOVED FORWARD, SAID, OKAY, LET'S DO IT.

WE'LL HAVE A PHONE INTERVIEW FOR CHIP DRYSDALE.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO YOU HAD A RESUME FOR KILLINGSWORTH, AND IT WAS ALL AGREED THAT YOU WOULD DO THE SAME PROCESS THAT YOU HAD DONE FOR THE OTHER CANDIDATES NEW AND STOLE.

AND I GUESS LAMAR, WHO THEN UNFORTUNATELY DROPPED OUT.

HOWEVER, IT'S PUBLIC RECORD THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS DID NOT DO THAT FOR CHIP DRYSDALE.

SO. WHY DIDN'T THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AS COMMISSIONERS, YOU REPRESENT US.

WE PUT OUR TRUST IN YOU.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE FOR THE CITY AND WHEN IT WORKS OUT THAT.

THAT THE PROCESS WASN'T COMPLETED BY ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

IF IT WASN'T COMPLETED FOR THE OTHER CANDIDATE AS WELL.

I MEAN, ALL'S FAIR, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

AND SO I BELIEVE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT, TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE FEEL WE CAN REALLY TRUST THE WHOLE PROCESS AND NOT THEN SECOND GUESS WHOEVER DOES COME OUT OF JUST YOUR INTERVIEWING THREE IS THAT YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. CHIP DRYSDALE TO THE IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS AS WELL.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR THING TO DO.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO.

BE A BIG ASK THAT HAVING YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE AND SO IF YOU COULD HAVE CHIP DRYSDALE. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ON THE COMMISSION WHO HAVE CERTAIN ATTITUDES ABOUT HIM AS BEING INTERVIEWED.

HOWEVER, I THINK TO AVOID ANY, ANY KIND OF LOOK THAT THIS HAD NOT BEEN A PROCEDURE THAT HAD BEEN EQUALLY APPLIED IS, IS DISINGENUOUS.

IT'S NOT RESPECTFUL TO HIM AS A CANDIDATE AND IT WON'T BE RESPECTFUL TO WHOEVER YOU CHOOSE IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE HIM. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST THAT YOU CAN, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP THE FAITH AND THE TRUST OF ALL OF ATLANTIC BEACH CITIZENS.

I JUST THINK THIS IS A REAL CRITICAL MOMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BARKER.

WELL, I HAVE, MAYOR.

OKAY. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YES, SIR. MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'LL TRY TO BE REAL QUICK.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME PROPERTY TO BUY.

THAT WAS, IT'S BASICALLY PART OF OUR FLOOD WATER PLAN THAT STARTED IN 2015, AFTER NOVEMBER 8TH OF 2015. UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE NIGHTS I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN ABOUT WAS NOVEMBER THE 7TH OF 2015, WHEN WE HAD A HUGE RAIN COME THROUGH AND AQUATIC GARDENS FLOODED.

THAT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE I TOOK OFFICE.

THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT MONDAY, I WENT OVER TO THAT AREA, WADED THROUGH THE WATER, SAW PEOPLE.

THEN THE NEXT 3 OR 4 DAYS, I WENT TO VISIT PEOPLE.

ONE THING THAT HAS STUCK IN MY MIND, AND I HOPE THAT YOU REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU DO THE PLAN THE PLAN STARTED WAS A COUPLE HAD TWO, TWO YOUNG BOYS, AND BOTH OF THEM WERE SCARED TO GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING WATER.

CHILDREN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN THEIR HOME AND WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

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SO DURING THAT DATE, THE MOVE WAS TAKEN ON AND FORTUNATELY WE PASSED SOME SOME THINGS ABOUT THE FLOOD WATER AND AND HOW TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AS WE ARE NOW.

IT'S 2023.

PUSHING 24 TAKES TIME.

THEY ALWAYS SAY GOVERNMENT RUNS SLOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT RUNS SLOW, BUT IT DOES.

BUT FORTUNATELY MAYOR GLASSER TOOK THE BALL AND CONTINUED IT UNDER HER TERM WITH HER COMMISSION AND THEY MOVED FORWARD WITH IT. WITH HER EXTRA YEAR.

SHE GOT THAT, WE GAVE HER.

SO HER FIVE YEARS THAT SHE SERVED, SHE CONTINUED TO DO THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE HER TO DO THAT.

AND I HOPE YOU, MAYOR AND THIS CURRENT WILL FOLLOW THE SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOUSE AS.

YOU KNOW, BUYING PROPERTY.

WHO WAS AGAINST IT AT FIRST BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

AND NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM, THAT AREA WHERE IT'S GOING TO PREVENT IT TO COME DOWN THE HOPKINS CREEK IS BAD.

SO WHEN IT COMES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS.

I'M JUST READING WHAT I'VE THE STUDIES I'VE READ.

IT MOVES THAT WAY.

SO IT'S GOING TO PREVENT THAT WATER HELPS SLOW WATER FROM COMING INTO THAT AREA TO GET TO HOPKINS CREEK AND THEN GET ACROSS UNDER ATLANTIC BOULEVARD THROUGH NEPTUNE BEACH.

SO IT IS GOING TO BE IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY, IT IS GOING TO BE A PLUS AND IT'S A START.

AND THERE'S A LOT, MUCH MORE.

THE OTHER PROJECT THAT THAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU, TOO, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ON COST OVER $1 MILLION, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE PRICE.

I WISH IT WAS CHEAPER, BUT WE ALL FEEL THE SAME.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO GET PEOPLE DOWN AND MAYBE IT WILL COME DOWN AFTER A WHILE.

BUT WHAT THEY NEVER UNDERSTOOD AND I TRIED, I'VE SHARED THIS WITH SOME PEOPLE IS YOU GOT LA FITNESS SHOPPING CENTER AND IF YOU EVER GO THERE ON A RAINY DAY, THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS POURING WATER OUT OF THAT INTO THAT DITCH BEHIND THOSE HOMES.

IT'S FILLING UP THAT AREA.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE CAN'T APPROACH THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND SAY TO THEM, LOOK.

EITHER FIX THIS OR GIVE US THE LAND.

IT'LL COME OFF YOUR TAX ROLL.

WE'LL TAKE THE LAND FREE.

NOT TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU.

YOU OFFER IT TO US, AND THEN WE.

YOU DIG IT. A BIGGER AREA THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY THE CHURCH OR THE OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUY THE SWIMMING POOL AREA.

I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT JUST PLEASE DON'T LOSE FOCUS ON THOSE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN THAT WERE SCARED TO SLEEP AND THEY STILL LIVE IN THAT AREA, TOO.

AND I HOPE THEY DON'T FEEL THAT WAY TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.

AND LET ME SAY THIS LAST THING REAL QUICK ON THE CITY MANAGER.

GOD BLESS YOU. IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB.

I WENT THROUGH IT.

I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.

YOU. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO YOU INTERVIEW, WHAT YOU INTERVIEW, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU INTERVIEW.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CITY MANAGER FOR 6 TO 9 MONTHS AFTER YOU HIRE THEM.

FORTUNATELY, WE HIRED JOE GARRITY, AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT HE DID A GOOD JOB.

SO WHOEVER WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHO YOU HIRE FOR 6 OR 9 MONTHS, WHETHER THEY DO IT OR NOT.

BUT EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER.

SO BUT I RESPECT ALL OF YOU, AND I'M GLAD THAT I'M NOT SITTING UP THERE HAVING TO MAKE THE DECISION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR REEVES.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I THINK WE GOT ALMOST EVERYBODY.

OKAY. WELL, HEARING.

NONE. WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND WE'LL MOVE TO KEEP ME HONEST GUYS, ON THIS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS WEEKEND WITH THE CITY MANAGER CANDIDATES.

THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HOLD ONE ON ONE INTERVIEWS.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE ON THURSDAY.

THE REST OF THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT THEIR INTERVIEWS ON FRIDAY FOR AN HOUR.

THEY'LL BE ONE ON ONE AND IN PRIVATE AT 5:30 ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT IN THIS VERY CHAMBER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEET AND GREET WITH THE THREE CANDIDATES.

AND THAT'S FROM 530 TO 6 30 OR 5 30 TO 730.

PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM, INTERACT WITH THEM, ASK THEM WHATEVER QUESTIONS THEY'RE INTERESTED IN ASKING.

AND SATURDAY MORNING AT 10:00, THERE WILL BE AN INTERVIEW.

IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.

FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE HOW THEY REACT IN A FORUM SUCH AS THIS.

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THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE HOW THEY REACT AND INTERACT WITH THE COMMISSION.

AND THEN MONDAY NIGHT AT 6:00, WE'LL MEET TOGETHER AGAIN AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND JUST GO OVER THAT SCHEDULE AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

THE TOMORROW NIGHT.

WE HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP AT 530.

AND THERE'LL BE SOME DECISIONS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, MAYBE NOT MAKE TOMORROW NIGHT.

BUT WE NEED TO REALLY KEEP IN MIND THE PICKLEBALL ISSUE AT DINER.

THAT'S REALLY BEEN A HOT BUTTON AS OF LATE.

I WAS COMING HOME FROM WORK ONE DAY LAST WEEK AND IT WAS A, NO, I WAS ACTUALLY COMING HOME FROM LUNCH, COMING BACK TO WORK, AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

AND I RODE BY JOHANSEN PARK AND THERE WAS THIS HUGE TREE THAT HAD FALLEN DOWN.

IT MUST HAVE JUST FALLEN BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE WAS NO WIND OR ANYTHING.

SO I WENT OVER AND LOOKED, OF COURSE.

AND NOT ONLY DID THAT TREE FALL, BUT IT TOOK ONE OF THOSE LONG, HIGH, TALL PALMS ALONG WITH IT.

SO WE ACTUALLY LOST TWO TREES THAT DAY.

AND THE REASON I'M TELLING YOU THIS, WE HAVE SEVERAL TREES THAT ARE OVER THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY IN THE LAST DAYS OF THEIR TREE LIFE AND WE'RE GETTING AN ARBORIST OUT. AND WE WERE JUST FORTUNATE THAT SOMEONE WASN'T IN THAT PARK AND WASN'T INJURED OR WORSE WHEN HE FELL DOWN.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, A COUPLE EMAILS ABOUT THE OLD KMART BUILDING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THE NAME OF THE COMPANY IS TRIBRIDGE RESIDENTIAL AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS FOR HOTEL, RETAIL AND BREWERY, POSSIBLY A RESTAURANT.

AND OUTPARCEL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S NEPTUNE BEACH'S DEAL.

UM. WE HAVE A CHANGE IN ONE OF OUR RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT.

WE HAD SCHEDULED OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET HEARING, FIRST BUDGET HEARING ON THE 11TH OF SEPTEMBER.

SCHOOL BOARD HAS THAT AS A PRIORITY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SWITCH OUR BUDGET TO THE 13TH.

THAT'LL BE A CHANGE ON THE ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT.

AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL FOR NOW.

OKAY. AND THANK YOU, JOE.

SO WITH THAT ONE CHANGE ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? OKAY. NOW, DID YOU SAY WE HAVE THE NEW DATE OR INSTEAD OF THE 11TH? IT'S THE 13TH.

OKAY. YEAH, WE DO.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS AMENDED FOR THE 13TH? MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS AMENDED.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, WE HAVE A 90 DAY CALENDAR.

THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM FOUR REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE CANDIDATES FOR CITY MANAGER.

I KNOW WE'RE COMING TO A CLOSE.

STARTED IN MARCH, AND I DO APPRECIATE GARRITY'S GUIDANCE THROUGH IT ALL.

IT'S THE, I'M A NOVICE COMMISSIONER, SO I HAVEN'T HIRED A CITY MANAGER BEFORE.

SO I'VE APPRECIATED YOUR GUIDANCE.

I'VE ALSO REALLY APPRECIATED HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, WHETHER IT'S AT OUR TOWN HALL MEETINGS OR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS OR EVEN SOCIAL MEDIA.

I HAVE NOT COMMENTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I HAVE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT.

ALSO, YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR LOCAL RESIDENT CHIP DRYSDALE.

I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR HIM SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.

WHEN I FIRST SAW HIS APPLICATION COME ACROSS ALL THE APPLICANTS AND FOR SO MANY REASONS.

ONE, HE IS UNIQUE IN THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT ATLANTIC BEACH, HE TRULY CARES FOR OUR COMMUNITY LIVING HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND RAISING HIS OWN CHILDREN HERE.

I ALSO HAVE A BIAS TOWARDS FIRST RESPONDERS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS ONE AND I HAVE THE MOST RESPECT FOR THEM AND HE IS THE HIGHEST RANKING FIRST RESPONDER THAT THAT YOU CAN GET.

AND HE HAS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT WAY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

[01:15:04]

AND, YOU KNOW, BOTH HAVE INFORMED ME THAT THEY DO NOT SEE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

BUT I'M GOING TO GO WITH MY CONSCIENCE HERE.

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO TOUCH WITH A TEN FOOT POLE.

AND FOR THAT REASON I AM ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE REGARDING DRYSDALE.

BUT I DO WANT TO DO ONE LAST PUSH BECAUSE I AM ONE OF FIVE, SO THERE'S FOUR OTHERS HERE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN PUBLICLY TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER WATERS.

I WANT TO THANK A LOT OF THE PUBLIC THAT SPOKE TONIGHT.

VERY. INTELLIGENT THOUGHTS ABOUT FROM CINDY ANDERSON AND MR. POWELL. AND.

IT'S JUST SEVERAL. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES ENLIGHTEN US A LOT, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE DORA STREET.

UM, I APPRECIATE.

YOU KNOW, JESSICA, AND THE PERCEPTION SOMETIMES IS EVERYTHING.

AND I UNDERSTAND HAVING A CONSCIENCE.

AND I APPRECIATE, ALTHOUGH I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE OR WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.

I DO RESPECT HER, UM, HER DECISION TO DO THAT.

AND SO.

YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M ACTUALLY QUITE I'M QUITE FRUSTRATED.

I'M QUITE INSULTED.

AND WHEN I FEEL THAT WAY, I USUALLY DON'T LASH OUT, BUT I KIND OF LOOK AT IT, UM, AND SEE WHY AM I FEELING THAT WAY? OKAY. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS, PROBABLY EIGHT, THAT HAVE SENT ME EMAILS ABOUT CHIP DRYSDALE.

THE LAST MEETING I WAS NOT HERE.

MY MOTHER IS DYING AND HAD TO VISIT MY MOM WHILE SHE WAS STILL COHERENT.

AND SO I HEARD SOMEONE SPEAK THAT WE KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER WATERS STANDS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I STAND AT THAT POINT.

HOW CAN ANYONE ELSE KNOW HOW I STAND? I RECOMMENDED CHIP DRYSDALE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WHEN IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE.

THE LAST COUPLE OF PEOPLE I COULD HAVE VOTED FOR AND I VOTED FOR HIM.

AND SO WHEN I HEARD THOSE WORDS, I CALLED, I TALKED TO I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AND I CALLED CHIP AND I SAID, CHIP, MEET ME AT BEACH DINER SATURDAY.

WE SAT OUT THERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.

I HAD MY INTERVIEW WITH CHIP DRYSDALE.

OKAY, I DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE.

AND SO I HAVE MY THOUGHTS ABOUT CHIP DRYSDALE.

I THINK HE'S, HE'S EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT.

I KNOW HE'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB AT HIS, AT HIS POSITION WITH, WITH LIFEGUARDS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING.

UM, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW THE, HOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS STAND ABOUT THIS, THE REMAINING TWO IN THE MAYOR.

OKAY. BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S RIGHT FOR THIS JOB.

I DON'T THINK HE'S RIGHT FOR THIS JOB.

I DON'T THINK HE HAS, I DON'T THINK HE IS THE PERSON TO BE A MANAGER OF ALL OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AT HIS JOB, BUT THE CITY MANAGER JOB IS DIFFERENT AND WE MAY NOT HAVE THE BEST CANDIDATES.

AND WHAT I'M INSULTED BY IS, IS THE IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU THINK THAT WE FOLLOW.

WE TAKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO ANSWER TO YOU GUYS EVERY SINGLE DAY OF OUR LIFE WHO LIVE HERE.

AND WE HAD INITIALLY 71 GET IT DOWN TO 16.

WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE MOST, TO THE BEST PEOPLE WE CAN POSSIBLY GET FOR OUR CITY.

WITH ANDY NEWMAN.

IT WAS 2-2.

I WANTED A 5-0 VOTE.

I LIKED ANDY.

I INTERVIEWED HIM. I FELT GOOD ABOUT HIM.

AND I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A32 VOTE FOR THIS THING.

THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND AND I'M GOING TO GO AND NOT AND NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

AND THEN HE WENT HIS OWN WAY AND SO BE IT.

AND SO BUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE LOOK TO, WE'RE GOING ON PAPER AND RESUMES.

AND TO MITCH'S POINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE GUYS FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OR LONGER.

AND WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN.

AND TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT TRANSPARENT OR NOT GIVING IT THE PROCESS OR WHATEVER IS VERY FRUSTRATING.

AND SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

[01:20:02]

I'M FINE INTERVIEWING KILLINGSWORTH.

I HAVE NOT. I'VE TALKED TO HIM FOR 40 MINUTES ON SATURDAY, AND I'VE INTERVIEWED THE OTHER TWO ON THE PHONE, THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES.

SO HOWEVER THIS GOES THIS WEEK, WE WILL ALL COME UP WITH THE BEST DECISION WE CAN MAKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER BOLE.

YEAH, SOME OF MY THUNDER WAS STOLEN.

BUT A COUPLE THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, HATS OFF TO COMMUNITY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.

I WENT OVER TO THE HOMELESS DINNER.

I SAW A COUPLE OF OUR GUYS OVER THERE.

BOY, WHAT A GREAT THING THEY DID.

YOU KNOW, THEY GOT HOT MEAL.

MAYOR DEEGAN, WAS THERE A WHOLE HOST OF PEOPLE THERE? SO HATS OFF TO THEM.

UM, LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE.

MAYBE PUT IT IN CONTEXT.

I USED TO BE THE HEAD OF MAJOR STAFF, JOINT PLACEMENT OF THE NAVY.

THE WHOLE NAVY. THAT'S MAJOR COMMANDS WORLDWIDE.

I WAS AN HR GUY, I KNOW.

HARD TO BELIEVE. BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, WE HAD VERY STRICT POLICIES, PROCEDURES.

AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE BECAUSE CONGRESS MAINLY, WE WERE AS TRANSPARENT AS YOU CAN GET.

RIGHT. I HAD A BOOK I COULD LOOK UP AND I COULD TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD SELECT THE BEST PERSON BECAUSE THE DEFENSE OF THIS COUNTRY DEPENDED ON IT, JUST LIKE I LOOK AT WHAT I DO HERE.

SO I'VE READ THE EMAILS.

WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REALLY SET UP EITHER A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE OR EVEN SOME OF OUR HR POLICIES.

AND I PLAN ON BRINGING A RESOLUTION FORWARD NEXT COMMISSION MEETING WHERE WE STANDARDIZE THE CHARTER REVIEW SELECTION.

WE STANDARDIZE THE CHARTER OFFICER SELECTION.

WE STANDARDIZE COMMITTEE MAKEUP SELECTION.

NOW, COULD THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME VARY FROM THAT? SURE, THEY COULD. BUT WE CAN HAVE A I WON'T SAY COOKIE CUTTER, BUT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS AD HOC HAS NOT WORKED.

IN MY OPINION.

IT HAS IN SOME CASES, SOME CASES AS YET TO PLAY OUT., BT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE HAVE A UNIQUE ABILITY THAT WE HAVE THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK. WE CAN DO IT INTERNALLY.

WE CAN ASK THEM AND WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] AND ASK OURSELVES THAT OUR HR, US ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THING? AND SO WE HAVE A PROCESS.

I ECHO WHAT DOC WATERS SAID.

IF YOU THINK THAT WE TAKE THIS NOT SERIOUS OR THAT WE DON'T DIG INTO THESE, I HAVE TALKED TO EVERY ONE OF THEM ON THE PHONE.

OKAY. INCLUDING CHIP.

OKAY. HE TOLD ME SOME STUFF AND IT WAS AN UNPRODUCTIVE PHONE CALL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHERE I STAND NOW, BUT I DID WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, AND I FOLLOWED THE PROCESS.

YOU GUYS HEARD ME SAY THE PROCESS LAST TIME.

AND I ECHO THAT BECAUSE IF WITHOUT A PROCESS, YOU DON'T HAVE A RESULT.

OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT UP.

I'M LEARNING WHETHER WE NEED A COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER.

IT'S HUGE.

OKAY. BUT WE CAN DO BETTER, I THINK, AND AND WORK HARDER AND HAVE A BETTER STRUCTURE.

SO. I SAID MY PIECE.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY? THE REGARDING THE THE SELECTION PROCESS, IT SEEMED THAT DURING MY FIRST COMMISSION, MAKEUP WAS ALL WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT IMPORTANT.

BUT WE ALL WERE COMMITTED TO THIS IDEA OF BALANCED COMMUNITY REPRESENTATION.

AND IT WASN'T IN WRITING AND IT DIDN'T CARRY OVER TO A NEW MIXTURE OF PEOPLE.

SO I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE SOME BETTER TOOLS FOR NOMINATING CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN A WAY THAT THOSE CITIZENS REPRESENT, THAT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST HALF YOU KNOW, WE COMMITTED TO THAT IN SPENDING MONEY AND ON PARK EXPENDITURES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY.

AND THAT PART, I THINK, HAS CARRIED ON VERY NICELY.

I'VE JUST RETURNED FROM NEW ENGLAND.

YOU PROBABLY HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THEY HAD SOME FLOODING.

OH, MY GOD, THEY HAD SOME FLOODING AND THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO.

GIVE THEM SNOW, BUT DO NOT GIVE THEM RAINSTORMS BECAUSE THERE WERE ROADS WASHED OUT, TREES IN THE ROAD, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

SO FLOODING IS IS DEFINITELY OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY HERE.

REGARDING THE P WORD.

THAT WOULD BE PICKLEBALL.

A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE REOPEN THE PARKS PLAN AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE WANT INSERT PICKLEBALL IN OUR MASTER PLAN. AND SO I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CRAZY ABOUT.

PUTTING A LOT INTO THE BUDGET ABOUT PICKLEBALL UNTIL WE HAVE REOPENED THE PLAN AND DECIDED WHERE THE FUTURE OF PICKLEBALL IS IN IN JACKSONVILLE OR IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

[01:25:05]

I CAN'T RUN, SO I CAN'T PLAY IT.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS MY THIRD TIME THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY, THROUGH A SEVEN CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

I CAME IN AT THE TAIL END OF.

OF JOE AT YOUR COMMISSION'S SELECTION OF JOE.

AND THEN WE SAT THROUGH OUR SELECTION, AND WE PICKED SHANE, AND NOW WE ARE, HERE WE ARE.

I COMMITTED TO THE INTERVIEW BY THE PHONE INTERVIEWS.

AND I HAD A DISCONNECT WITH WITH ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.

WE AGREED ON TIME I CALLED THAT PERSON HAD GONE TO WAS OUT.

I CALLED ABOUT EVERY HOUR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE DAY UP UNTIL 7:30 P.M.

SO I DID MY PART.

I WAS THE ANSWER WAS DUE ON FRIDAY.

I WAS TRAVELING AND, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE'S PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE CELL SERVICE, SO I HAD TO WAIT TILL I WAS AT THE TOP OF A BUILDING OR SOMEWHERE WHERE LIKE TWO BLACKTOP ROADS WITH YELLOW LINES MET WHERE I COULD FIND COVERAGE.

AND WE JUST NEVER MANAGED TO CONNECT.

SO MY REPORT TO JOE WAS THAT I HAD NO FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT THAT CANDIDATE THAT I HAD BEEN NOT ABLE TO TO MEET, TO MEET WITH THEM. SO I HAVE NO VOICE LEFT.

SO I WISH YOU ALL A GOOD WEEK.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

SO I'LL JUST ROUND IT OUT.

I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, WOW, I'M HONORED TO TO WORK WITH THESE FOUR OTHER INDIVIDUALS SITTING AT THIS DAIS REPRESENTING COMMISSION.

THEY DO WORK HARD.

I TAKE I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY WHAT I HEAR FROM CITIZENS BOTH IN IN THIS ROOM AND OUTSIDE.

AND THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY WE CAN MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

BUT I, I DO WANT TO DEMYSTIFY THE PROCESS ISSUE AROUND THE SELECTION OF OUR SHORTLIST CANDIDATES.

WE MADE THAT DECISION LONG AGO THAT WE WOULD ABIDE BY THE SAME THING THAT WE DO IN COMMISSION MEETINGS, AND THAT IS WE NEED A 3-2 VOTE AND WE DIDN'T GET A 3-2 VOTE.

SO FAILING THAT, THE ONE CANDIDATE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.

DISAPPOINTED FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS IN SUPPORT OF ACTUALLY MOVING THAT CANDIDATE FORWARD.

BUT I RESPECT VERY MUCH RESPECT EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THE HAND-WRINGING AND ANGST THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH TO COME UP WITH A FINAL DECISION.

AND I BELIEVE WHILE THE PROCESS IS NOT PERFECT, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO FIND A GREAT SOLUTION AT THE END OF THIS.

AND AND I INVITE ALL OF YOU AND ANYBODY WHO WATCHES THIS ON REPLAY, I INVITE TO COME TO THE OPEN HOUSE IS THAT NEXT FRIDAY EVENING, FRIDAY NIGHT AT 5:30? YEAH. FRIDAY NIGHT AT 5:30, RIGHT HERE IN CHAMBERS TO MEET THE CANDIDATES AND OR SPOUSES, IF THEY BRING THEIR SPOUSE.

AND THIS IS REALLY THE BEST OF ALL THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THIS IS OPEN GOVERNMENT.

FLAWED, YES, BUT IT'S OPEN GOVERNMENT, I PROMISE YOU THAT.

SO ENOUGH ON ON MY COMMENTS.

AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING.

LET'S MOVE TO; ARE WE HERE? OH, I'M SORRY. WE ARE NOW UP TO CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM SIX.

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS, SO ITEM 6.A IS AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ATTACHED AMENDMENT TO THE THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION.

THAT'S THE 2022 TO 2025 AGREEMENT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION OR DO WE NEED TO PULL THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO DISCUSS? BOLE? PARDON? BOLE? YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT? YES. OKAY, THEN WE'LL PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE'LL GO AHEAD.

AND FIRST I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.

CORRECT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET A MOTION FIRST IN THE SECOND, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? THIS ITEM 6.A, WHICH IS AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ATTACHED AMENDMENT TO THE THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION.

YES. OCEAN YET.

[01:30:01]

BACK TO THE MOTION. FAIR ENOUGH.

OKAY, SO LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

THEY WANTED PERHAPS A BRIEFING ON WHAT NEW OR IMPROVED BENEFITS WE'RE OFFERING THESE EMPLOYEES.

RICK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BACK ME UP ON THIS.

BUT EVERY YEAR THE BOTH UNIONS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING 1 OR 2 NEW THINGS TO THE TABLE.

THE THING THAT THE POLICE UNION BROUGHT TO US THIS YEAR WAS THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO ROLL OVER 25 HOURS OF COMP TIME INTO NEXT YEAR.

AND WE, AS STAFF, HAVE AGREED TO THAT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CONTRACT AND THE COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT.

NO. SO WHEN WILL THE [INAUDIBLE] COME TO US? BEFORE THE START OF THE YEAR OR THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR IS THE YOUNG MAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER.

HE'S OBVIOUSLY IN THE OTHER UNION.

YES. SO I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHETHER WE'RE PAYING HIM IS THE RIGHT PRICE.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY LAST YEAR UPGRADING SALARIES, AND NOW WE HAVE A GUY WITH KIDS WHO CAN'T GET THEM A HOUSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE.

THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EMILIO'S.

YEAH, SHE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT WE'LL TABLE THAT FOR NOW.

WE'RE ON THE ITEM SIX.

6.A. 6.A.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. GO AHEAD, REALLY.

AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6.A? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6.A.

SECOND. SECOND.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'LL MOVE.

WE ALREADY HANDLED EIGHT A SO LET'S MOVE TO 8.B.

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 23-24]

MR. GARRITY, AS YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE RECEIVED A GRANT OF $15,000 TO EVALUATE THE TREE CANOPY.

THE GRANT REQUIRED A MATCH OF $15,000 FROM THE CITY.

I RECOMMENDED WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE TREE FUND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION AGREED TO DO AT THE TIME.

SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE NEED A WE NEED A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION, WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-24.

SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JOE? I DO REMEMBER YOU BRINGING THIS UP, BUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO WHAT WILL THAT 30,000 GO? WE'RE GOING TO BE STUDYING THE TREE CAM.

EVALUATING THE TREE CANOPY.

OKAY. AND IN THAT 30,000 IS GOING TO GO TO EVALUATING THE TREE CANOPY.

AND THEN MARK, WHO'S THE THE THE PRESIDENT OR CHAIRMAN.

HE MENTIONED IT WAS THERE WAS RELUCTANCE WITH THE SC THEY DID END UP RECOMMENDING THAT BUT THE RELUCTANCE.

HE IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS COMMITTEE.

OKAY SO I MEAN HE'S NOT HERE.

SO I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS BECAUSE I COULDN'T ASK HIM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT IS.

WELL, IF YOU CAN ASK HIM. MAYBE.

I KNOW. OR MAYBE COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU SIT WITH THAT GROUP, DON'T YOU? I DO. I'VE MISSED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BECAUSE I WAS OUT AFTER MY SURGERY, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'VE TAKEN TO HEART THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN FOR LEADS.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS ON THAT PLAN ARE ARE GOING TO BE A HARD SELL TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THEY WANT TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON EDUCATION AND PROMOTING AND THE THINGS LIKE THE REDUCED WATER USAGE CAME FROM THAT PROJECT.

SO THEY DON'T REALLY OWN THE MONEY, BUT THEY CERTAINLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TO

[01:35:05]

SO THE RESOLUTION THAT FORMED THE TREE FUND, THEY'VE BEEN DYING FOR A TREE SURVEY.

AND SO NOW THEY'VE GOT ONE AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

SO AND THE RESOLUTION STATES THAT WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE BOTH THE SC AND THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CAN SPEND ANY OF THOSE DOLLARS. OKAY.

AND THEY'VE THEY'VE APPROVED IT.

SO. OKAY, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE NOW.

AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. UM.

[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 23-25]

THIS IS. PARDON ME? RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-25, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO ACCEPT THE 2021 JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM. CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.

VIC GUALILLO. CHIEF OF POLICE.

I NEED TO APOLOGIZE.

I MISSED A A ERROR IN THE TITLE.

THAT'S A VESTIGE OF A CUT AND PASTE FROM LAST YEAR'S.

ALL THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE RESOLUTION AND THE STAFF REPORT IS CORRECT.

HOWEVER, IF I COULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT, PLEASE TO THE TITLE.

SO IT READS CORRECTLY WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE REPORT.

THE RESOLUTION SHOULD READ RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-25, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO.

PURCHASE SEVEN LPR CAMERAS.

THROUGH VETTED SECURITY SYSTEMS BY THE EXCEPTIONS GRANTED IN CITY ORDINANCE 336.

OKAY. QUESTIONS.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD. I'M FINE.

I'M FINE WITH.

NOT NEEDING ANOTHER BID.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD AT LEAST IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAD THE 2 OR 3 CAMERAS PUT ON 18TH AND 19TH STREET.

I THINK INITIALLY IT WAS TO SEE IF IT WOULD HELP THE NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IT DIDN'T IN MY OPINION, IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

I THOUGHT JUST HAVING A SIGN UP THERE WITHOUT CAMERAS MAY HELP.

I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE IS THE PAID PARKING.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW THAT TO HAVE THESE THINGS WORK, AT LEAST WHERE I LIVE, WE GOT TO TRIM SOME TREES AND MAKE IT VISIBLE.

BUT HOW MUCH HOW MUCH DO WE USE THEM? HOW MUCH DO YOU GUYS USE THEM? HOW MEAN ARE THEY? ARE THEY JUST THERE? GO OVER IT AGAIN FOR ME.

VIC, I'M SORRY, BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU CAN GO BACK AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF YOU CAN SEE A LICENSE PLATE OR SEE A CAR OR SEE SOME ACTIVITY.

I MEAN, HOW USEFUL, HOW USEFUL HAVE THESE BEEN? SO TWO SEPARATE CAMERA SYSTEMS THERE.

THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE STILL CAMERA SYSTEM, ON 18TH STREET, WE HAVE USED IT.

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY MAJOR CASES WE'VE SOLVED BECAUSE OF IT.

BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN INFORMATION TO FOLLOW UP ON.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHEN A PERSON COMPLAINED ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS NOISE OR SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE THEY HAVE HAD A CONFRONTATION WITH ON THE BEACH.

WE COULD ROLL THAT BACK AND SAY, OH, GEE, THAT'S THIS IS WHAT THE PERSON LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF CAR THEY GOT INTO, AND THE OFFICERS WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO GO ON TO TRY AND FIND THEM DOWN THE ROAD.

THESE SEVEN LPR OR LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THE LPR CAMERA SYSTEMS ACTUALLY SEE TAGS AS THEY GO DOWN THE ROAD.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TAG, LIKE LET'S SAY LIKE A SUSPENDED DRIVER'S LICENSE, A SUSPENDED REGISTRATION, A WANTED PERSON FOR SOMETHING MORE SEVERE, LIKE A CHILD ABDUCTION OR A MURDER OR SOMETHING SERIOUS.

THOSE LICENSE PLATE READERS WILL PICK UP THAT TAG NUMBER AND LET THE OFFICERS KNOW, HEY, LOOK, THIS CAR IS GOING THROUGH YOUR CITY OR WENT THROUGH YOUR CITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO THE SEVEN CAMERAS WE'RE WANTING TO PURCHASE FOR NEXT YEAR ARE PART OF THAT LPR SYSTEM.

WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES ON THE LPRS WHERE WE'VE HAD LARGER CASES THAT WE'VE SOLVED BECAUSE OF IT.

ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ONES WAS LAST WEEK WE MAY HAVE SEEN IN FACEBOOK WE HAD A DRUG ARREST THAT HAD MARIJUANA, METHAMPHETAMINE, FENTANYL, CRACK COCAINE, TWO GUNS.

THAT WAS ALL GENERATED OFF A TRAFFIC STOP.

THAT WAS A GREAT JOB BY THE OFFICERS FOLLOWING UP, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP LEAD.

I WILL TELL YOU, THERE'S ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD THE INCIDENT ON SEMINOLE ROAD WHERE THE GENTLEMAN WAS ROBBED.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LEAD IN THAT CASE.

WE FOLLOWED THAT LEAD AS FAR AS WE COULD.

THE DETECTIVES STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON THAT.

BUT WITHOUT THE LPR SYSTEM THAT CAPTURED THAT LICENSE PLATE, WE WOULD HAVE HAD NOTHING TO GO ON.

SO WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DEVELOP A SUSPECT.

[01:40:02]

SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THE LPR SYSTEMS ARE WORKING FOR.

WELL, MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU GUYS AND ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND Y'ALL GETTING YOUR JOB DONE AND SAFETY IN THIS TOWN, I'M ALL FOR IT. I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

THANKS. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

SO I'M NOT CLEAR WHERE ARE THESE CAMERAS ALL BEING DEPLOYED TO? SO WE PICK SEVEN LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY.

MOST JURISDICTIONS TRY AND BUILD FIRST, TRY AND BUILD A NET AROUND THEIR CITY SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND GOING.

SHOULD SOMEONE COME IN WHO HAS SOMETHING SERIOUS GOING ON LIKE THEY'RE WANTED FOR MURDER OR SOMETHING SERIOUS? LIKEWISE, IF A CRIME OCCURS IN YOUR CITY AND THEN THAT CAR EXITS, YOU WANT TO HAVE AN IDEA OF MAYBE WHERE IT WAS GOING OR GET THE LICENSE PLATE.

BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES.

SO A COUPLE ON MAYPORT ROAD ARE GOING IN TO TRY AND CATCH CARS UP ON THE NORTH END IN THE MIDDLE OF MAYPORT ROAD.

A FEW MORE WILL GO IN ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND A COUPLE TOWARDS THE CORE AREA WHERE ATLANTIC BOULEVARD ENTERS OUR CITY.

WE LOOKED AT THE INSTANCES ON CRIME MAPPING WHERE WE HAD THE MORE FREQUENT PROPERTY CRIMES, BURGLARIES, ROBBERIES, THEFTS AND TRIED TO CONCENTRATE ON THOSE ARTERIES THAT WENT INTO THOSE AREAS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DEPLOY SEVEN OF THOSE CAMERAS THAT WILL BUILD A LITTLE MORE OF THAT NET AROUND THE CITY AND CONCENTRATE IT IN THOSE PLACES, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO'VE HAD MORE CRIME IN THEM.

THANKS. THAT REALLY WAS HELPFUL.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THIS EQUIPMENT? SO TYPICALLY, MOST MANUFACTURERS OF ELECTRONICS THESE DAYS GIVE YOU A FIVE YEAR LIFE.

MOST OF THE MANUFACTURER WARRANTIES OR AGREEMENTS ARE BASED ON THAT FIVE YEAR.

FEW OF THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS THAT WE USE BUILD A FIVE YEAR LEASE PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE'RE BUYING WEB TIME FROM THEM OR CLOUD TIME AND BUILT INTO THAT OFTEN AS HARDWARE.

SO WE EXPECT IT TO BE ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

WE'LL PUSH THEM FURTHER THAN THAT SEVEN YEARS PLUS WE MAY GO A YEAR OR TWO WITHOUT SOME WARRANTY BACKING ON THAT, BUT WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND PUSH THEM AS FAR AS WE CAN UNTIL WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. OKAY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-25.

SECOND. SECOND.

BUT CLARIFICATION AS AMENDED BY CHIEF VIC DID.

YEAH, DID. IS THAT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE SIGNIFY BY VOTING YAY OR NAY.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU.

LET'S SEE, WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG NOW.

LET'S GO TO ITEM.

[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 23-26]

IS THAT SEVEN OR.

NO? THAT'S 8.D ITEM EIGHT D, RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-26, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND THAT'S H-O-O-S-E, HOOSE HOMES AND INVESTMENTS, LLC FOR THE PURCHASE OF 9.16 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY IN ATLANTIC BEACH ON DORA DRIVE.

PARCEL ID NUMBER 1721180000 AND ADDITIONALLY PARCEL NUMBER 1721190000. AND THEN FINALLY PARCEL THE THIRD PARCEL, 1721220000 FOR THE PRICE OF $1,075,000, DESIGNATING AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS TO BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS, COMPLETE DUE DILIGENCE EFFORTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 23-26.

WE HAVE A SECOND. SO NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

YES, GO AHEAD.

I'LL ASK THE MAN HERE.

THE STAFF'S POSITION, AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE THIS IS FOR ME, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.

YOU GUYS IN YOUR ENGINEERING BELIEVE THIS IS LONG TERM WILL SAVE US MONEY, CORRECT? YEAH. STEVE SWANN, CITY ENGINEER.

I'M SORRY, STEVE. I DO BELIEVE THAT LONG TERM IT WILL.

AND YOU KNOW, IN MY ANALYSIS HERE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE FLOOD MAPS, ET CETERA.

THE ENGINEERING THAT THE STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT WE SHOULD PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY FOR RESILIENCY STORM WATER.

[01:45:07]

YES, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

BASICALLY, BASED ON MR. POWELL'S. ON MR. GREG POWELL'S COMMENTS ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO EVALUATION OF THIS.

THAT'S HOW WE AVOIDED LILY STREET, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S TYPICAL PART OF A PROPERTY.

AND THEN. AND YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT THE ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT MAKES SURE THE STORM WATER GOAL IS MET AND THE COST BENEFIT.

AND YOUR OPINION? THIS IS A LONG TIME I'M NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT.

IT'S A LONG TERM.

IT'S A LONG TERM GOAL.

YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WORTH IT? YES, BASED ON THE DESKTOP ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT I'LL DO IS ONCE, IF WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM YOU ALL TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE OUR DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

I KNOW JASON ARGUED FOR 90.

THEY WANTED 30.

60 WAS BEST WE WERE ABLE TO GET RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY YEAH.

AND ACTUALLY LET ME CLARIFY THAT AND I WAS GOING TO DO THIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

BUT YEAH, WE DID ASK FOR 90.

THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LAST NUMBER THAT WAS AGREED TO TENTATIVELY NOW THIS IS A POLICY CALL, SO YOU ALL CHANGES AS COMMISSION AS YOU SEE FIT.

BUT THE LAST DEGREE TO NUMBER WAS 45 DAYS.

SO LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING OFF THE SAME SHEET.

SO 45 DAYS IS THE LAST AGREED TO NUMBER BETWEEN STAFF AND THE SELLERS FOR THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

WELL, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T GIVE THEM A CONTRACT BACK WITH 60 OR 90, I SUPPOSE.

IF THAT'S CORRECT. I'M JUST TALKING.

I'M JUST SAYING:/; WHAT WAS TENTATIVELY AGREED TO? I WOULD ALWAYS ARGUE FOR MORE TIME.

ONE OF THE THE THINGS THAT WAS DRIVING THE INSPECTION PERIOD TIMELINE WAS, I THINK HOW MUCH ADEQUATE TIME WOULD WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PERFORM A PHASE ONE? AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.

YEAH, THE PHASE ONE IS QUEUED UP.

WE CAN HAVE THAT DONE IN SEVERAL WEEKS, BUT IT'S THE FOLLOW UP BEYOND THAT PHASE ONE AND ALSO THE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO MORE DEFINITIVELY KIND OF DEFINE HOW THIS WOULD LOOK IN OUR STORM WATER PLAN FOR HOPKINS CREEK IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT THOSE COSTS MAY BE AND HOW THEY MAY OFFSET COSTS DOWNSTREAM.

CAN WE SHOOT FOR 90? AND THE SECOND THING IS THE COST OF IT.

IS THAT SET? I WOULD SAY THE COST IS SET.

YES, SIR. YOU.

I'M SORRY. AND YOU THINK IT'S WORTH IT? I THINK IT COULD BE WORTH IT, BUT WE'RE IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MAN. I'M JUST CALLING YOU OUT.

I'M JUST. ALL RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIMITED STAFF, WE'RE LIMITED TIME, SO WHEN THE CLOCK TICKS, WE'RE ON IT.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST I'M JUST ANSWERING SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS BROUGHT UP BY THE FOLKS, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I WOULD ,LIKE TO ASK THE EXCUSE ME IF I MIGHT, MAYOR.

YEAH, PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF WE DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS OF THE PHASE ONE, DO WE HAVE AN OUT IN THIS? YEAH, THE ANSWER IS YES.

JUST GIVE YOURSELF ENOUGH TIME AND THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TO NOT ONLY, NUMBER ONE, GET THE PHASE ONE, BUT NUMBER TWO, HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REACT TO IT.

BUT YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE AN OUT.

THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT 45 DAYS, 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS FOR THE FOR THE FREE FOR ALL DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

SO PREFER A MINIMUM OF 60 IF POSSIBLE.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. RING.

I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE MY MIC IS ON.

HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS AS COMMISSIONER WATERS DID.

ONE FORMER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON BROUGHT UP.

SHE'S A LAWYER AND SHE GOT INTO THE WEEDS WITH THE CONTRACT THAT THE DAYS THE DUE DILIGENCE DAYS.

SO SHE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT BUT ALSO THE LIABILITY WORDING.

AND I DIDN'T CATCH EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.

BUT JASON, WERE YOU ABLE TO ELABORATE ON THAT? YEAH, I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS SHE BROUGHT UP, BUT I DO I DID TAKE NOTES ON A COUPLE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CONFIDENTIALITY.

PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS DO TRUMP THAT REGARDLESS.

AND ACTUALLY, I LOOKED AT THE CONFIDENTIALITY CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT AND IT ACTUALLY SPECIFIES THAT THAT THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW WILL TRUMP.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE VARIOUS PROVISIONS THAT SHE BROUGHT UP, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT.

BUT SHE JUST BROUGHT UP, OTHER THAN THE CONFIDENTIALITY DISAGREEMENT THAT SHE HAD, IT WAS THE UNFORESEEN LIABILITIES.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER THAT SHE DID MENTION, BUT THAT IT DIDN'T LEND ITSELF TO THE SELLER, TO THINGS BEING IN THEIR COURT VERSUS OUR COURT.

THAT MADE ME UNCOMFORTABLE AS WELL.

BUT TO THE POINT OF MR. POWELL WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 1 OR 2 THINGS HERE.

WE HAVE THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR RESILIENCY TO SOLVE THAT RESILIENCY ISSUE.

BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE PHASE ONE, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT DONE AND THEN A TREE SURVEY DONE ON TOP OF IT, THEN WE HAVE A

[01:50:08]

DO YOU THINK THAT THE ANSWER IS MOVING IT UP? AND YOU JUST SAID A MINIMUM OF 60 DAYS.

WOULD MR. POWELL, BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE 90? OH, I'D LOVE TO HAVE 90, BUT I DON'T THINK 90 IS FEASIBLE IN THIS CASE WITH A SELLER.

BUT I'M SURE WE COULD WE COULD TRY TO ARGUE FOR 60.

AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS WITH THE SELLER? I THINK HE'S GETTING A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.

YOU'D HAVE TO TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH THE SELLER.

YEAH. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I WOULD HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.

WHY? YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THEY'D LIKE TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T. I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN ANY SPECIFIC REASON WHY THERE'S A PUSH AND A, YOU KNOW, A HASTE IN MOVING THIS FORWARD.

YOU'RE THE ONE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

SO I'D SAY TAKE THE THE TIME THAT YOU NEED.

AND 90 DAYS IS PRETTY STANDARD.

AND AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER, GOVERNMENT IS SLOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S SLOW, BUT IT'S A LITTLE SLOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ALL THE TIME WE CAN GET.

OKAY, WELL, I MOVE THAT WE CHANGE THAT TO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I CAN MOVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WE CHANGE IT TO 90 DAYS.

SO YOU'RE OFFERING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES. OKAY.

SO THAT WOULD NEED A SECOND.

NO. YES. I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A VOTE ON THE ACTUAL DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, SINCE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG COMPONENT OF THE CONTRACT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE THE THE CONTRACT AS AMENDED.

AND JUST WHEN WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

JASON, CAN WE TAKE IT BACK? IF WE DO GO THROUGH PHASE ONE AND WE FIND A SLEEPING, WHAT IS IT? WHAT DID WE SAY? SOME HIDDEN TREASURE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IT AS SOME HIDDEN TREASURE ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WE CAN PULL OUT.

I WANT TO PROTECT OUR INTEREST, OF COURSE, AS A YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, MAKE SURE THAT YES, I APPRECIATE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND IT.

BUT AS MR. POWELL, WHO HAS A DOCTORATE IN ENGINEERING, HE'S EVEN SAID IT, THE THE STARS NEED TO LINE UP PROPERLY AND PHASE ONE, THAT ASSESSMENT, IF IT COMES BACK AS HAVING SOME BURIED TREASURE ON IT, THEN I THINK I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PULL OUT. YES.

AND I SHOULD UNDERSCORE THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S 45, 60 OR 90 DAYS, THAT IS A I WOULD CALL IT A FREE FOR ALL.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WHETHER IT'S THE PHASE ONE OR YOU JUST DON'T EVEN LIKE THE WAY THE PROPERTY LOOKS, YOU COULD PULL OUT FOR ANY OF THOSE REASONS.

THERE HAVE TO BE WORDED IN THERE.

I MEAN, IT IS CURRENTLY WORDED AS YOU CAN PULL OUT FOR ANY OF THE ANY REASONS, FOR EXAMPLE.

NO, CAUSE IT'S JUST I THINK THE KEY IS GIVING YOURSELF ENOUGH TIME TO DO SO.

THAT'S WHAT THE KEY IS.

AND STEVE, IT IS YOUR DRUTHERS AND YOUR EXPERTISE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE AT LEAST 60 DAYS.

WELL, LIKE 60. I PREFER 90 IF POSSIBLE.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR 90.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ARE YOU GOOD? SO THE QUESTION, WHO MADE THE MOTION? OKAY. WELL.

OKAY, WE'LL. KELLY.

OKAY. PRETTY SURE THEN.

COMMISSIONER BOLE, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDED MOTION? YES. SO CAN WE VOTE ON THE ENTIRE MOTION AS AMENDED? YEAH, I THINK IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH.

SO JUST TO REITERATE WHERE WE ARE, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE WITH A SECOND WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO AMEND IT TO A 90 DAY DUE DILIGENCE.

SO THE CONTRACT WITH THE AMENDMENT OF 90 DAYS FOR DUE DILIGENCE AS HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO I'M CONFUSED.

CONTRACT ALREADY SAYS 45.

WE CAN CHANGE IT HERE.

YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YES.

THE ANSWER IS YES. I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ESSENTIALLY APPROVING A PURCHASE.

IT'S A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

IT IS A COUNTEROFFER BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE SELLER DOESN'T AGREE TO IT, THEY WON'T SIGN IT.

AGREE TO 45. SO THEY DID.

THEY DID IN PRINCIPLE, YES, IN PRINCIPLE.

BUT THEY HAVE NOT SIGNED ANYTHING, NOR HAVE WE.

SO BY DOUBLING THE ASK, ARE WE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO SIGN IT? NO, WE ARE NOT SURE OF THAT.

SO MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO. WHAT CAN YOU GET DONE IN 45? WE COULD LIKELY GET IT DONE IN 45 DAYS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GOOD.

IF WE FIND A PROBLEM FROM THE PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS BASICALLY HISTORICAL AND A RECORD SEARCH AND PROPERTY REVIEW, IF THEY FIND ANYTHING THAT THAT RAISES ANY RED FLAGS, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE OTHER OPTION IS WHEN YOU GET DONE WITH THAT PHASE ONE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT IT SAYS, YOU PULL OUT.

CORRECT. YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF THERE IS CONTAMINATION IN THIS LAND, WE PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND WE DON'T

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SO WE CAN'T EVEN PUT A MITIGATION POND IN.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO I WOULD SAY TO COMMISSIONER KELLY, IT'S WORTH THE 90 DAYS.

AND IF I MAY, JUST FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, THIS RARELY HAPPENS.

BUT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'RE 45 DAYS IN AND WE HAVE OUR PHASE ONE AND WE'RE CLEAR AND HAPPY AND GOOD TO GO, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE NEXT 45 DAYS.

WE CAN AT THAT POINT IN TIME SAY WE'RE GOOD AND CLOSE WITHIN TEN DAYS OF THAT.

SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN WHEN YOU TYPICALLY USE ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE THE FULL 90 DAYS YOU COULD CLOSE PRIOR TO THAT.

SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WE'VE GONE FROM A AGREED UPON 45 AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DEMAND TWICE AS LONG.

WELL, ANYTHING THAT WE AGREE TO IS GOT TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

AND HE WAS MADE CLEAR OF THAT.

SO YOU COULD GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, SORRY, THE COMMISSION SAYS 90 DAYS.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BLAME THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S WHY WE LIKE THE COMMISSION.

WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, AS I SAID, THEY NEGOTIATED IN GOOD FAITH.

BUT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHANGE THE TERMS, THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE.

POLICY CALL. OKAY, FINE.

OKAY. BEFORE WE VOTE, I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, MR. SWANN, FOR AT LEAST TEEING THIS UP, THIS WHOLE EXERCISE, BECAUSE OF THE 45, 60 OR 90 DAYS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

AND THE CONTRACT WAS VERY SPECIFIC THAT FOR ANY REASON WE CAN PULL OUT OF THAT CONTRACT.

TO ME, IT'S ABSOLUTE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT.

BUT MY QUESTION FOR MR. SWANN IS CAN YOU HAVE ENOUGH ENGINEERING WORK UP DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON VIABILITY COST WISE? YES, SIR, I BELIEVE I CAN.

OKAY. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BUY ANOTHER PARK RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WE HAVE JORDAN PARK, SO WE DON'T NEED A PARK NEXT TO JORDAN PARK.

WE NEED THIS FOR STORM WATER.

AND SO FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS A STORM WATER PROJECT FOR ME AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL VOTE ON TONIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL VOTE ON DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLY TO HAVE A TRAIL, A WALKING TRAIL OR SOMETHING AROUND IT.

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THE TREE SURVEY THAT MR. POWELL MENTIONED.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE START WITH A TREE SURVEY OR JUST START BY IDENTIFYING THOSE.

I'LL KEEP ASKING WHAT DO WE CALL THE TREES THAT ARE PROTECTED? THE BIG THE HERITAGE, THE HERITAGE TREES.

SO I THINK WE'RE STARTING BY LOOKING FOR HERITAGE TREES ON THE PROPERTY IS WELL, LOOKING FOR TREES THAT ARE REGULATED UNDER OUR CODE.

I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR. LOOKING FOR TREES THAT ARE REGULATED UNDER OUR CODE.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT THAT.

SO IF WE NEED TO DO A SURVEY, WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU NEXT MEETING IS NOT ONLY ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE, BUT FOR YOU TO DO A FIELD TRIP AND AND JUST DO AN EYEBALL ON IT BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE DOING ON THE PROPERTY AND DO WE NEED TO THEN FURTHER INVEST IN A TREE SURVEY BEFORE WE CLOSE ON IT? DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ON THAT.

I CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU.

AND SO, YEAH.

UM, LET'S SEE ONE MORE.

I'M GOOD THEN. SO GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

STEVE, A COUPLE OF CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN.

UM, WANT TO SORT OF ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? YEAH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL PLAN THAT WE, THAT WE FLESHED OUT AND THE, THE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS AND THE MODELING COMPUTER MODELING WE DID, UM, IS PRETTY REASONABLE TO, TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT, YES, THIS WOULD WORK OUT WELL AS A STORMW ATER POND AND IT WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF THE DOWNSTREAM AREA. YOU DON'T GO INTO A COMPLETE DESIGN OR, YOU KNOW, SPEND A HORRENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY WITHOUT HAVING ANY DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL, WHETHER YOU WERE CONSIDERING BUYING THIS PROPERTY OR NOT.

I MEAN, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE TO REFINE OUR CONCEPTUAL ANALYSIS A LITTLE MORE, REFINE OUR COST ESTIMATES AND, AND WHAT IT MAY OFFSET.

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT THIS WOULD FIT INTO THE KIND OF THE LAST PHASE OF THE HOPKINS CREEK STORM WATER PLAN AND THE LAST PHASE OF THAT PLAN IN 2018, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BUY BEACHES AQUATIC CLUB AND BUY ABOUT HALF A DOZEN HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AQUATIC GARDENS POND TO MAKE THAT POND LARGER AND PROVIDE MORE STORAGE.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WILLING SELLERS.

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AQUATIC IS A LOT MORE THAN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO OUR ONLY OPTION REALLY IS TO CREATE MORE STORAGE IN THE BASIN AS THE SHEET PILE THAT DITCH BETWEEN PLAZA AND CUTLASS AND KAVALA AND THAT'S FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN COMPARING THE COST OFFSETTING THE COST OF HAVING TO SHEET PILE AND EXCAVATE THAT DITCH AS OPPOSED TO THE COST OF TRYING TO PURCHASE, BEACH'S AQUATIC CLUB AND HOW MANY CUBIC FEET OF STORAGE WE'RE GOING TO GET PER DOLLAR WE SPENT DOWNSTREAM, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT WE'LL REFINE THAT COST ANALYSIS AND COME BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

OKAY? THANK YOU. OKAY.

YES, MA'AM. I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHERE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE WOULD GO.

IS THERE A PARTICULAR SECTION OR IS IT A CONCEPT THAT GOES ALL THROUGH THE RESOLUTION? I CAN I CAN CLARIFY THAT PERHAPS THROUGH THE MAYOR, DONNA.

I DON'T THINK THE RESOLUTION ITSELF IS CHANGING.

IT'S THE ACTUAL ATTACHMENT.

SO I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU EITHER LATER TONIGHT OR TOMORROW.

BUT THE ACTUAL ATTACHMENT IS THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL WE'LL SCRIVEN IN THE 90 DAY DUE DILIGENCE IF THAT'S WHAT PASSES.

AND WHILE I'M ON THAT TOPIC, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK OTHER MINOR CHANGES.

IT DOES REFERENCE A 2.16 PLUS OR MINUS APPROXIMATELY ACRE PARCEL.

THE SURVEY I GOT AND STEVE AND I WILL WE'LL LOOK AT THIS IS ACTUALLY 1.99.

SO IT'S WITHIN THE RANGE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES PLUS OR MINUS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS JUST A SCRIVENER CHANGE ON PAGE SIX WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

PRECEDENT TWO, IT SAYS BUYER'S OBLIGATIONS, REALLY SELLER'S OBLIGATION, AND I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE AS WELL.

BUT WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.

OKAY. GREAT CONVERSATION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

WE'RE NOW AT ITEM 8.E RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-27, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE PROPOSED MILLAGE

[8.E. RESOLUTION NO. 23-27]

FLORIDA. PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. GARRITY? YES.

AND IF YOU NOTICE THAT I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.

SECTION THREE, WE HAVE CHANGED THE DATE FROM SEPTEMBER 11TH FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 13TH.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID THIS LAST YEAR.

I ASKED KEVIN TO SEE IF HE COULD DIG IT UP AND HE COULDN'T FIND IT.

BUT THIS IS REQUIRED TO BE SENT TO THE TAX COLLECTOR WITHIN 35 DAYS OF NOTIFICATION OF THE ROLLS. AND WE HAVE GOT A NOTIFICATION ON THE 23RD OF JUNE.

SO WE HAVE TO SEND THIS BACK BY AUGUST 4TH.

AND THIS BASE DOCUMENT BASICALLY SAYS THAT WE WILL NOT RAISE OUR MILLAGE RATE.

PUT IN THERE WAS A OPERATING RATE FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR OF 3.1035 MILLS.

NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE DO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THE NUMBERS ON ALL OUR REVENUES FROM THE STATE.

SO LOOKING BACK, WE'RE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR.

AND THIS ISN'T A CONTEST BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT THAT'S SORT OF MY.

THOUGHT IS TO TRY AND GET EVERYTHING DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS EFFICIENTLY.

SO WE STILL HAVE SOME SOME WIGGLE ROOM, BUT WE WILL BOND THROUGH OUR FIRST ITERATION OF DEPARTMENT BUDGETS AND GENERAL FUND BUDGETS.

AND WE ARE AT 3.1035 MILLS.

THE MILLAGE RATE CAN GO DOWN AND WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN HAVE.

AND WE DID THAT LAST YEAR.

YES. YES.

AND SO BEFORE I CALL ON EACH COMMISSIONER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO SET THE STAGE ON THIS.

A CITIZEN SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT WHY NOT START WITH THE ROLLBACK RATE.

AND SO THAT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO PURSUE THAT.

THE THIS IS FOR TRIM NOTICE TRIM NOTIFICATION.

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RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND UNTIL I LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND THE REQUEST.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR A MILLAGE REDUCTION, A ROLLBACK OR A MILLAGE INCREASE, QUITE FRANKLY.

BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE.

AND SO THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT POSTING A MILLAGE BELOW THE CURRENT IS THAT IS IN FACT WHAT WOULD GO ON THE TRIM.

NOTICE. AND THEN THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BE RECEIVING TAX BILLS THIS YEAR WITH A ONE MILL INCREASE FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR.

AND THEN IF WE END UP GOING BACK TO THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE OR ABOVE, WE'VE GOT THAT ISSUE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SET THE STAGE.

THAT'S THE DISCUSSION AT LEAST FROM THAT CITIZEN.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THIS. AND I KNOW DOC WATERS AND COMMISSIONER KELLY WAS ACTUALLY THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PUSH AND, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT ONCE YOU ROLL IT BACK, I SHOULDN'T USE THE TERM ROLL BACK. ONCE YOU MOVE THE MILLAGE RATE BACK, IT'S HARDER TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

THAT WAS THE PUSH BACK.

I THINK IT WAS 3 TO 2, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

AND A FEW OF US HELD THE LINE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOUSING VALUES, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

AND I WON'T SAY WE WERE LUCKY, BUT IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD.

STAFF WORK PRIMARILY.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I AGREE WITH THE RESOLUTION, BUT THE JURY'S STILL OUT AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH BUDGET SEASON, SO.

AGREED. YEAH. SO IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE BECAUSE WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND IT WASN'T EASY.

I WAS THERE. I WATCHED.

OKAY. I WAS THERE TOO.

ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN'T YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE THIS RATE.

YOU CAN GO LOWER, BUT YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE IT.

SO I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE COULD NOT ACTUALLY RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE? YOU COULD NOT? NO.

OKAY. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS WAS ARTICULATED BY I THINK IT WAS MR. BRINKLEY EARLIER, WE ACTUALLY HAVE PIECES THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE FUNDING WITH LAST YEAR'S MONEY, ESSENTIALLY.

WE SHOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION UNLESS SOMETHING'S REALLY OUT OF WHACK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO RAISE OUR MILLAGE RATE.

I THINK WE SHOULD. WE DO NOT.

OKAY. SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL HAVE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. DID WE MAKE THE RESOLUTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

23-26. I'M SORRY.

I THINK. AM I RIGHT, DONNA? CORRECT. AS AMENDED.

RIGHT. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 23-27 AS AMENDED.

SECOND. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THINK WE ACTUALLY GOT EVERYTHING DONE?

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

CITY MANAGER TODAY WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. GARRITY TO LEAD OFF, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST DO WANT TO COMMENT.

I ACTUALLY ENJOYED THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL, VERY INSIGHTFUL.

AND JUST TO ADDRESS THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT, I THINK PART OF IT IS.

THE TIMES WE'RE LIVING IN THE LITTLE TOWN CALLED BELLE ISLE, ABOUT 40 MILES NORTH OF ORLANDO, THAT HAD THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A CITY MANAGER.

THEY HAD FIVE CANDIDATES.

BY THE TIME THE INTERVIEWS CAME AROUND, TWO HAD GOTTEN JOBS AT OTHER PLACES AND ONE HAD DROPPED OUT.

SO THEY INTERVIEWED TWO CANDIDATES.

WE'RE IN THAT SIMILAR POSITION HERE.

UM, AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S THE TIMES WE'RE LIVING IN.

IT'S NOT. ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE OR THAT WE'RE PEOPLE WORK HERE.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT TIME.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS WEEKEND AND INTERVIEWING THE CANDIDATES AND HAVING.

WE'RE TAKING THEM, TWO OF THEM ON A LITTLE TOUR ON THURSDAY.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD WEEKEND AND LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GARRITY. MR. BOLE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING ME GO FIRST EVERY TIME.

TONIGHT, I DID NOTICE THAT, IN FACT, THERE ARE SOME CITIES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT ROTATE.

THE COMMISSIONER USED TO VOTE FOR YOU.

SO YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST EVERY TIME.

I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.

JUST SOME VERY QUICK NOTES.

HEY, WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE A HEALTHY TREE FUND.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITIZENS AND I KNOW SOME OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECT MONEY AND WE MAKE ATLANTIC BEACH BETTER BY THAT, IN MY OPINION.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND COMMISSIONER KELLY MENTIONED THE PICKLEBALL WORD.

THEY WILL BE TOMORROW AT OUR, I INVITED THEM TO OUR BUDGET MEETING.

SO IT DOES, IN FACT.

OH, SORRY. SORRY, JOE.

IT DOES, IN FACT, TALK ME OFF A LEDGE.

YEAH. SO IT DOES, IN FACT, TAKE MONEY TO DO THIS.

SO I INVITED THEM AND YOU'LL GET TO HEAR THEM.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY BACK TO SCHOOL WITH BEAM IS THIS SATURDAY.

THE SCHOOLS WILL OPEN ABOUT THE 14TH.

15TH. 14TH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN.

AND THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR KIDS HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO GET BACK TO SCHOOL.

SO IF YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR HEART TO DONATE EITHER GOODS OR MONEY, BEAM WILL MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THE RIGHT KIDS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER WATERS.

UM. I JUST WANT TO SAY, DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY THIS PAST WEEKEND, THE CITY MANAGER, AND A LOT OF THINKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE THING. AND I THOUGHT ABOUT KEVIN HOGENCAMP AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY WE TAUGHT HIM ABOUT TAKING OVER CITY MANAGER.

HE SAID, IF JOE GARRITY WANTS IT, I WANT HIM TO HAVE IT.

UH, JOE, AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO BE DONE, AND KEVIN'S NOT.

I TOLD KEVIN, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL YOU OUT ON THIS THING, BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT.

AND IF HE IS IN OR OUT, WE OWE HIM THE RESPECT TO ASK HIM, IS HE GOING TO TAKE THAT JOB OVER? HE SAID HE'LL THINK ABOUT IT, AND IF SO, HE'LL GET BACK WITH US AND INTERVIEW EACH ONE OF US.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT TO KEVIN BECAUSE HE DESERVES IT.

COMMISSIONER RING? I JUST WANT TO THANK AGAIN THE PUBLIC AND FOR COMING AND SHARING THEIR THOUGHTS AND BEING OPEN AND ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL AND ALL OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY.

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE MEET AND GREET ON FRIDAY AND THAT PUBLIC INTERVIEW AT 10 A.M.

ON SATURDAY. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY BACK ABOUT 60S ON MY COMMENTS.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.