[CALL TO ORDER]
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WELCOME. RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS.
BEFORE WE OPEN OUR MEETING TODAY, WE'LL HAVE AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE FROM COMMISSIONER BOLE.
LET US HEAR ALL THE VOICES OF OUR SPECIAL CITY.
THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.
AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[1.A. Adoption of a Tentative Millage Rate]
OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA.THIS IS A A PUBLIC MEETING TODAY.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS ADOPTION OF A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THAT, I'M GOING TO JUST READ PART OF OF THIS.
THE FIRST ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED ADOPTION OF A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE OF 2.9785.
THE MILLAGE RATE CURRENTLY IS 3.1035.
THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE ON WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR BUDGET IS 2.9785.
AND FOR CONSIDERATION THERE IS STILL THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 2.8410, MR. HOGENCAMP.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH HERE WE'RE TONIGHT WE'RE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPTING A TENTATIVE, TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 20-23-168 ADOPTING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 23-24.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND, AND THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM OUR STAFF REPORT.
THE FORMAT IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS YEARS.
IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTED A PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET AND HELD AND THE CITY COMMISSION HELD THREE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS TO REVIEW AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION'S GUIDANCE.
AND A LOT OF THAT GUIDANCE WOULD BE BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT.
THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET IS FUNDED USING THE MILLAGE RATE OF 2.9785.
THIS IS A 4.85% INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE.
THERE WILL BE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE MILLAGE BY RESOLUTION AND A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE OPERATING BUDGET BY ORDINANCE AT 6:30 P.M.
SEPTEMBER 25TH, AND THAT'S IN THIS COMMISSION CHAMBER.
SO, DONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE SIGNED IN? I HAVE SIX, MAYOR.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST IS IN ADDRESSING THE MILLAGE RATE AND THEN SECOND IS WHEN WE ADDRESS THE BUDGET.
SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK BOTH TIMES.
WE'LL BE LIMITED TODAY TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER.
YES. ONCE AGAIN, HERE I AM ONE YEAR LATER, REALLY GETTING INTO THE BUDGET.
AND AS YOU CAN ALSO PROBABLY IMAGINE, I AM A VERY STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE ROLLBACK RATE.
AND THE ROLLBACK RATE IS NOT A TAX CUT.
NOW, IN REALITY, IT ACTUALLY GENERATES ABOUT $100,000 MORE.
NOW, THE GREAT THING ABOUT YOU FINALLY BEING ABLE TO GO WITH A ROLLBACK RATE FOR THE FIRST TIME PROBABLY IN THE HISTORY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING RECORD YEAR OVER YEAR REVENUES OF OTHER TAX ITEMS. THE HALF CENT GAS TAX, THE BETTER.
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JEA ON YOUR ELECTRIC BILL, SOME TAXES THAT YOU PAY TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH ON YOUR UTILITY BILL AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER ITEMS. EVEN WHEN YOU PAY YOUR CELL PHONE BILL, THERE'S A COMMUNICATIONS TAX WHICH ATLANTIC BEACH GETS A PIECE OF.THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE REVENUE ITEMS. AND THE TOTAL REVENUE THIS YEAR, INCLUDING $7 OR $8 MILLION IN AD VALOREM TAXES, IS $59 MILLION.
SO ROUGHLY, THERE'S $52 MILLION OF OTHER REVENUE.
OKAY. AND THAT'S $3 MILLION MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.
AND LAST YEAR WAS $2 MILLION MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS $10 MILLION MORE THAN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF RECORD OTHER TAX REVENUES.
AND IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS IN ATLANTIC BEACH A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.
OKAY THAT LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK ONLY AMOUNTS TO $363,000 OFF OF THE LAST V ERSION OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS PUBLISHED AT 4:45 THIS AFTERNOON.
IT'S ONLY $363,000 OFF OF A $59 MILLION BUDGET.
THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO LOSE ANYTHING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY SERVICES.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS A BREAK BECAUSE WE HAVE RECORD PROPERTY INSURANCE COST, RECORD FLOOD INSURANCE COST, AND GREATLY ESCALATING PROPERTY VALUES THAT HAVE GONE UP ABOUT 10% A YEAR JUST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS ALONE.
SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE ROLLBACK RATE AND I'M UNDER TIME.
I'VE WRITTEN WHAT I WANT TO SAY HERE.
ATLANTIC BEACH HAS STRONG RESERVES THIS YEAR, AND THEY SHOULD RESERVE.
THEY SHOULD LOWER THE MILLAGE RATE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOLS INCREASED THEIR TAXES BY ONE MILL FOR THIS YEAR.
PROPERTY VALUES HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY YEAR OVER YEAR.
SOME OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE REALLY BEEN HEAVILY IMPACTED BY INCREASING COSTS IN INSURANCE.
MANY OLD TIME RESIDENTS ON FIXED INCOME ARE SINGLE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
I CAME HERE IN 1970, 53 YEARS AGO AND DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU VALUES HAVE GONE UP.
IT'S TIME I THINK TO GIVE OUR CITIZENS RELIEF.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER.
SHE'S IN A HOUSE ON SEVENTH STREET IN ATLANTIC BEACH, VERY CLOSE TO BOLE PARK.
AS A CHILD RAN AROUND HERE QUITE A BIT ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE MILLAGE RATE FOR HER MEANS A LOT.
ANY LITTLE THING FOR HER MEANS A LOT.
JUST AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SPOKE WITH RISING INSURANCE COSTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ON HOMES, IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW MUCH THINGS HAVE GONE UP OVER THE YEARS AND ANY LITTLE BIT WOULD HELP.
SHE IS DEFINITELY DESERVING OF THAT, I BELIEVE AND I BELIEVE THE REST OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN ATLANTIC BEACH ARE DESERVING OF THAT AS WELL. SO HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS GETS CONSIDERED AND PUSHED THROUGH.
ANNIE THAT'S PRETTY HIGH UP THERE.
OKAY. MY NAME IS ANNIE MARY MCCARTHY, AND I'VE LIVED ON FIRST STREET SINCE 1954, AND I'VE LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. I WOULDN'T LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE I LOVE ATLANTIC BEACH.
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I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER OLD PEOPLE LIKE ME WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING RAISING THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME AND I'M PAYING FOR TWO INSURANCE POLICIES ON MY HOME.
REGULAR HOME COVERAGE AND WINDSTORM COVERAGE.
I PAY FOR EXTRA HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE BECAUSE MEDICARE DOESN'T PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
MOST OF THESE EXPENSES ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO LOWER OR ROLLBACK OUR REAL ESTATE TAX RATES, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT ALL RESIDENTS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
STAFF, 640 OCEAN BOULEVARD BROUGHT MY PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX FORM TONIGHT.
AND IF EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH AS IT'S SHOWING, IT WOULD BE A 16% INCREASE.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOR ALL OF US IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT'S GOTTEN A 16% RAISE THIS YEAR.
AND I PROPOSE THAT YOU KEEP THE MILLAGE, THE ROLLBACK.
YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.
I LIVE ON SIXTH STREET, AND I DO NOT SUPPORT THE INCREASE IN THE MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE ALREADY WE ARE PAYING MORE FOR GROCERIES, GAS, MEDICAL INSURANCE, AUTO INSURANCE, HOME INSURANCE.
A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
SO I FEEL THAT THAT WOULD PUT AN EXTRA BURDEN ON OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING TODAY.
UH, REAL QUICK, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
WHAT AN HONOR TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH BILL GULLIFORD, OUR FORMER MAYOR AND PAST PRESIDENT.
UH, EVEN THOUGH HE IS A GEORGIA MEAN, NOT A I'M SORRY.
UM. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK OUT.
AND THEN THEY DID NOT WANT A DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
AND THEY FINALLY RAN THAT DEPUTY DIRECTOR OFF.
BUT THE MAYOR SAID SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
PEOPLE GOT VERY UPSET AND THE MAYOR SAID.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE MAYOR WAS RIGHT.
YOU HAVE HAD A GREAT WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP, AS I SAID IN MY EMAIL TO YOU.
THE LEADERSHIP YOU HAD HAS WATCHED AND BEEN FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE IN MOST CASES.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE MISTAKES, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE INTERNET? DON'T EVEN KNOW YOUR MEETING TONIGHT.
AND HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE HURTING? JACKSONVILLE LEFT THEIR MILLAGE RATE AT THE SAME RATE.
THAT'S A TAX INCREASE TO ALL OF US.
THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST MILLAGE RATE THAT WE HAVE.
I SUPPORT MOVING BACK, USING THE ROLLBACK AND NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES.
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WE WILL BE FINE.IT IS TIME THAT YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND GIVE BACK TO US AS A STAKEHOLDERS OF ATLANTIC BEACH A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF LOVE.
AND I THINK I THINK EACH OF YOU CARE ABOUT THAT.
SO TONIGHT IS A TOUGH DECISION.
AND I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH THIS.
AND I KNOW EACH OF YOU OWN PROPERTY.
I THINK EACH OF YOU OWN PROPERTY IN ATLANTIC BEACH THAT YOU PAY TAXES SO IT AFFECTS YOU, TOO.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. REEVES. BILL GULLIFORD.
YEAH. NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BULLDOGS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. BILL GULLIFORD, 75 BEACH AVENUE.
WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IN REALITY IS $367,000.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SPREAD IS, WHICH ALSO SPREAD AMONGST ALL THE PROPERTY TAX.
RECIPIENTS IN THIS TOWN OR CITY WON'T MAKE A HECK OF A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
BUT I THINK YOU AS A COMMISSION CAN MAKE A STATEMENT OF GENUINE CONCERN IF YOU GO TO THE ROLLBACK.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES OF HIGH INFLATION ET CETERA.
BUT IF THE CITY THINKS THEY REALLY NEED THAT $367,000, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION.
CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.
AND WE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOW AT 39% RESERVE, WHICH I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU IS TOO MUCH OF A RESERVE.
BUT IF YOU REALLY NEED THE $360,000.
PUT IT AT THE ROLLBACK RATE AND TAKE THE $360,000 OUT OF THE RESERVE ACCOUNT.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.
SO I WOULD HOPE AND URGE THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND SET IT AT THE ROLLBACK RATE AND AND MAYBE BE OUT OF STEP WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA.
I WISH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THE ROLLBACK RATE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY, SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING LIKE LIKE THE ROLLBACK RATE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR COMMITMENT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR GULLIFORD AND APOLOGIES TO FORMER MAYOR REEVES.
I REFERRED TO YOU AS MR. REEVES. THANK YOU ALSO, MAYOR.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS ROUND.
CERTAINLY. BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHERS.
YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO BE HERE, COMMISSIONER AND COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS HANI BABIKIR AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND CITY OF ATLANTIC.
YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOME REALLY TWO YEARS AGO.
SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCREASE FOR MY SPECIFIC HOME HAS INCREASED BY 100%.
IN ADDITION, THE FLOODING INSURANCE THAT THAT PROPOSED AN INCREASE BY ALMOST BY 70 TO 80%.
WE KNOW WE'RE HITTING INFLATION.
I THINK THIS SET PRECEDENCE FOR SPECIFIC HARDSHIPS MEAN YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES DID MENTION ABOUT CITIZEN BUT ALSO FOR YOUNG FOLKS LIKE US WHO ARE JUST BARELY GETTING OUR CAREER START UP.
MAYBE WE SHOULD DOWNSIZE AND SELL THE HOME, ETCETERA.
THAT MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO ME. THANKS.
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THANK YOU, SIR.ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. BASED ON THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM ONE A AND YES, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WERE GOING TO READ.
OH, THANK YOU. I ALMOST FORGOT.
THIS IS FROM JENNIFER WAGNER, A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO ELECTED OFFICIALS IN REVIEWING THE DRAFT BUDGET FROM THE MEETING LINK, THE INTRODUCTION BUDGET MESSAGE IS STILL INACCURATE. AND THIS IT WAS CORRECT THIS MORNING.
IT WAS STILL INACCURATE AND IT WAS CORRECTED THIS AFTERNOON.
IT STATES THAT THE 2024 BUDGET IS LOWER THAN THE 2023 BY 1.59% WHEN THE FUNDS SUMMARIES SHOW IT IS A 4.8% INCREASE. AND THAT IS IS CORRECT.
IS THIS A BIG DEAL? YES, BECAUSE OF PERCEPTION, MANY RESIDENTS MAY TRUST ONLY THE COVER MESSAGE AND NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DIG INTO A 200 PAGE PDF WHILE AN HONEST ERROR BECAUSE CITY STAFF ARE ALREADY STRETCHED, THIS COULD FUEL FEELINGS OF MISTRUST.
IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR CITIZENS TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE RATE TO 2.8410.
THE APPROXIMATE $365,000 IS A PITTANCE ON A MORE THAN $55 MILLION BUDGET AND WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON CITY SERVICES. WE ARE NOT LIKE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHO MAY HAVE TROUBLE PAYING THEIR BILLS.
CITIZENS GOT HIT WITH THE ONE MILL INCREASE FOR THE SCHOOL TAX.
WELL, INTERIM CITY MANAGER KEVIN FOR MORE COLOR.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DIALOG BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE ON ANYTHING.
PERHAPS THE ROLLBACK RATE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE HURTING, COSTS ARE UP.
THERE IS NOWHERE YOU CAN TURN THAT COSTS ARE DOWN.
AND IT'S IT'S SUCH A SHAME BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WE OUR STATE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF ONE THAT I DIDN'T HEAR TONIGHT IS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON A HOUSE THAT HAS A PERFECTLY GOOD ROOF ON IT ALREADY BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY WON'T INSURE THE PROPERTY UNLESS YOU PUT A BRAND NEW ROOF ON IT.
THINGS LIKE THAT ARE HAPPENING.
THEY'RE IMPACTING OUR CITIZENS.
AND TO THE POINT MADE EARLIER, WE STILL ACTUALLY HAVE INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATIONS, AND I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER ON THAT, BUT WE MAY GET TO THAT.
SO INSURANCE RENEWALS ARE SKYROCKETING.
WE HAVE INFLATION, GAS, GROCERIES.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE RELIEF IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIOR COMMISSION FOR THEIR STEWARDSHIP AND THEIR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
AS MENTIONED BY FORMER MAYOR GULLIFORD, WE HAVE 37 OR 38% IN RESERVES NOW.
SO WE HAVE AND THAT'S JUST IN THE GENERAL FUND.
WE HAVE STRONG RESERVES IN OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
BUT THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY DIRECTIONALLY CORRECT.
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SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY MORE.WE'LL HAVE SOME DIALOG ON THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. HOGENCAMP TO KICK IT OFF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR AND COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTIONS.
SHE'S OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.
AND LIEUTENANT ED PECK IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM BEING HERE.
STEVE SWANN, OUR CITY ENGINEER, IS IS HERE AS WELL.
SORRY, STEVE. ONCE AGAIN, UM, I'D LIKE TO AS AS I'VE COMMUNICATED TO THE MAYOR AND COMMISSION, BUT NOT TO THE PUBLIC YET, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND SUPPORT. AMID OUR TRANSITIONAL CHALLENGES WITH OUR BUDGETING SOFTWARE, I'D LIKE TO BRING SPECIAL ATTENTION TO OUR RESIDENT BRINKLEY HARRELL, WHO'S HERE, WHO FRANKLY, LIKE RESIDENTS, OFTEN DO, STEPPED UP AND IS HELPING US DO OUR JOBS BY DOING SOME QUALITY CONTROL, SOME DIGGING IN AND GIVING US INPUT.
THE BUDGET MESSAGE THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER IS UPDATED.
AND IT'S A FLUID DOCUMENT, FRANKLY, JUST LIKE A BUDGET IS.
THE STAFF REPORT, THE CITY'S TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $59,499,115. THE BUDGET IS 4.9% HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR. THE PROPOSED GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS $18,696,633.
PROJECTED REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES ARE 2.5% HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE NUMBERS REFLECT A REDUCTION IN MILLAGE OF ONE EIGHTH OF A MIL.
THESE NUMBERS DO, THE NUMBERS WOULD CORRESPONDINGLY DECREASE IT'S ACTUALLY $352,000 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
IF THE COMMISSION INDEED ROLLS BACK THE MILLAGE RATE.
I'M A HOMEOWNER IN ATLANTIC BEACH WITH A HOME VALUE OF $445,950 WITH A HOMESTEAD E XEMPTION OF $50,000 WILL PAY APPROXIMATELY $77,147 IN PROPERTY TAXES DURING FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THE PORTION THAT COMES TO ATLANTIC BEACH IS ABOUT 16.5% OF THAT.
THE TOTAL ASSESSED PROPERTY IN ATLANTIC BEACH INCREASED 9.8% OVER THE PAST YEAR, WHICH OF COURSE, HAS BEEN REFERENCED TO SAY THAT THAT WE INDEED HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE COULD, WE MAINTAIN THE SAME MILLAGE RATE OF COLLECTING NEARLY $700,000 MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE IN PROPERTY TAXES FROM THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE AND UP HERE AND ALL THE FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND STAFF UNDERSTANDS AND RESPECTS THE DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION OF A ROLLBACK RATE.
WE AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC INPUT, YOUR INPUT STAFF INPUT AND AFOREMENTIONED EFFORTS OF BRINKLEY HARRELL AND OTHERS WHO COMMUNICATE WITH US.
WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THE BUDGETING SOFTWARE AND WE'RE PREPARED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE BUDGET AS YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING DOING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HOGENCAMP.
SO IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER WATERS AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR INPUT.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING SITUATION.
I WISH THAT MY HOME WAS IN AS GOOD OF FINANCIAL STATUS AS THE CITY IS.
I LOVED MAYOR GUILFORD'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE EXCESS OF THE 39%, WELL, THE EXCESS OVER 25%.
BUT THE EXCESS AND DOING THAT, THAT WAS A PRETTY INTERESTING WAY TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT I HAVE I APPRECIATE THE WORK.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND MILLAGE AND ROLLBACK UNTIL RECENTLY BUT I AM.
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I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER TO GO BACK TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.
THANKS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
I THINK THIS IS ABOUT PRINCIPLE AND IN OUR CURRENT SITUATION THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE IN THE RESIDENTS, MYSELF THIS WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO NOT GIVE THE RELIEF TO OUR CITIZENS NOT ROLLING BACK.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BOLE.
YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'D ADD THERE, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ONLY $376 OR $352 K, WE DEBATE $1,000 HERE.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN HERE AT NIGHT, THAT'S EVERY DOLLAR WE TAKE A LOOK AT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE PRIDE OURSELVES.
I WOULD ASK MY COMPATRIOTS HERE SO THAT THAT IS REAL MONEY TO ME.
BUT I LOOK AT KIND OF THE FINANCIAL WAY.
IF YOU DO SOME QUICK MATH, YOU'LL KNOW THAT WE YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE THAT UP.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST MILLAGE RATE AT THE BEACH.
YOU GUYS HAVE TOLD US ABOUT JACKSONVILLE AND WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOLS.
AND SO I'M A PROPONENT OF MOVING WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN RESERVE AND THE MATH.
I PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE IT BACK TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
I JUST WISH YOU HAD BEEN MAKING THE POINT TEN WEEKS AGO WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE BUDGET, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO VOTE FOR THIS THING AND THE STAFF NEEDS TO PRODUCE A FINAL DOCUMENT.
AND AS MR. HARRELL HAS SO KINDLY POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT AN EASY DOCUMENT TO MANIPULATE.
IT'S DECREED BY THE STATE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME TURMOIL IN LEADERSHIP HERE OVER THE SUMMER.
AND I CAN SEE WHERE $30,000 IS HALF A WALK OVER.
SO WE COULD WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT IN NO TIME.
THANK YOU. AND I'LL MAKE THE FINAL COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL CHECK IN ONE MORE TIME WITH KEVIN.
TWO THINGS I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IS WHY ARE WE FINANCIALLY SOUND IN THIS CITY? IS IT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COLLECTED ENOUGH AND NOT SPENT ENOUGH OR NOT SPENT TOO MUCH? THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME REASONS AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
WE'VE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AS A CITY IN PROCURING GRANTS.
YOU HEARD ON MONDAY FROM OUR GRANT WRITER THAT WE BOOKED IN $1.35 MILLION IN GRANTS THIS YEAR, AND WE HAVE $1.5 MILLION OUTSTANDING IN GRANT REQUESTS.
I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT MOST SMALL CITIES OF OUR SIZE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SUCCESS, AND IT IS MY INTENT TO AT LEAST USE MY OFFICE TO PROMOTE AND PRESS AND TRY TO EVEN IMPROVE ON THAT NUMBER THIS COMING YEAR.
BUT I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO WE AND THIS IS NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT IT'S WITHIN OUR WHEREWITHAL TO DO IT.
WE HAVE, AS WE JUST STATED, OVER $3 MILLION IN EXCESS RESERVES IN THE GENERAL FUND OVER AND BEYOND THE 25% THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN AND SHOULD RETAIN AND MUST WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DEBT THAT WE'RE PAYING ON THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND THAT IS KNOWN AS SELVA PRESERVE.
WE'RE PAYING $10,000 A MONTH TO SERVICE THAT DEBT.
THAT DEBT IS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH.
KEVIN, DO YOU KNOW? IS IT $1,000,002? NO, I KNOW THAT WE PAY $120,000 PLUS A YEAR TO SERVICE THE DEBT.
I DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT AND I'LL REPORT.
WELL, IT'S BETWEEN $1 MILLION AND $2 MILLION, I BELIEVE.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT $2 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF WE WANTED TO AT ANY POINT IN TIME, WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY JUST SITTING THERE IN THE EXCESS RESERVES, RETIRE THAT DEBT, AND WE JUST ADDED $120,000 BACK TO OUR BUDGET ON THAT ONE ACTION.
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STATUS OF THE CITY AND IT IS GOOD.SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK MR. HOGENCAMP, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US AND HELP ALL OF US, INCLUDING COMMISSIONER KELLY, UNDERSTAND WHERE WOULD WE LOOK IF WE WANT TO AMEND THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO REVIEW THIS EVENING? I'D GLADLY.
MR. MAYOR, I'D ALSO, WITH YOUR INDULGENCE, LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME MID-YEAR BUDGET, SOME OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF REDUCING OUR REVENUE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH SPECIFICALLY MID-YEAR. INDEED, SOME OF THESE ISSUES WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANYWAY.
AND PARTICULARLY THERE ARE THERE'S A LIFEGUARD STATION AND WE HAVE $560,000 BUDGETED IN FY 24.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ABOUT $340,000 THAT'S OUR BEST GUESS OF HOW SHORT WE ARE, HOW WHAT'S UNFUNDED.
THERE'S A DECENT CHANCE THAT MID-YEAR WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, WILL YOU PLEASE MODIFY THE BUDGET OR CONSIDER MODIFYING THE BUDGET AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU IN IDENTIFYING WHETHER THAT WOULD COME FROM FUND BALANCE, FROM PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NO LONGER PURSUING.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS, THREE OTHER PROJECTS IN THAT CATEGORY, SO TO SPEAK, TWO OTHER, WE HAVE OUR ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM, WHICH IS OUR SOFTWARE THAT HELPS US IS OUR TECHNOLOGY THAT CITYWIDE WE USE.
WE HAVE MORE THAN $300,000 BUDGETED FOR THAT IN FY 24, WE ANTICIPATE THE POSSIBILITY OF COMING TO YOU MID-YEAR AND SAYING WE'RE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SHORT DEPENDING ON HOW THE BIDS COME IN.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER $100,000 UP TO $100,000 THAT WE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO COME UP WITH TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS TO MAKE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO BAKER AND JORDAN CENTERS.
WE HAVE NOT BUDGETED FOR THAT IN FY 24 JUST I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE RIGHT AWAY THAT THOSE ARE AMONG THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO FUND AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES, AS THE FISCAL YEAR PROGRESSES.
SPECIFICALLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE BLUE COLLAR CONTRACT, LABOR CONTRACT.
I KNOW WE BUDGETED FOR WHAT WE OFFERED, BUT THAT'S NOT BEEN SETTLED.
THAT IS CORRECT. AND I AM CERTAINLY AWARE AND WE WERE NOTIFIED TODAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THAT WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING UPCOMING TO ADDRESS THAT REQUEST AND WE COULD CHANGE AND AGREE TO THEIR REQUEST, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS A 6% INCREASE FOR THEIR UNION MEMBERS VERSUS THE 4% THAT OUR RANK AND FILE IS RECEIVING AND IS WHAT IS IN OUR BUDGET.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED EITHER WITH THE RESERVES OR OTHER FUNDS.
AND I'LL AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE RIGHT NOW, THE BIGGEST ONE THAT I THINK IS ACTIONABLE IN THE DECISION TONIGHT, IF THIS COMMISSION SO CHOOSES, IS REMOVAL OF THE $570,000 FROM THE BUDGET FOR REDO OF THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER.
SO RIGHT THERE IS 570 THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
IF WE DID WANT TO SPEND THAT $570 AND DIDN'T SPEND IT ON THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER, I'D RATHER TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT GETTING BIDS ON THOSE THOSE ACCESSES THAT DO NOT HAVE WALKOVERS TO PROTECT THE DUNES.
SO OTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FINISH? SURE, SURE, SURE.
THANKS. AND YOU JUST MENTIONED TWO OF THE FUNDING POTENTIAL FUNDING MECHANISMS.
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THE THIRD THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN MENTIONED IS OUR GENERAL FUND UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE.IF THERE'S THE NUMBER, MR. MAYOR, IS $2,889,495.
THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT ABOVE THE 25% THRESHOLD THAT WE, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, HAVE DECIDED AS AN ORGANIZATION MINIMALLY TO KEEP IN OUR RAINY DAY FUND IN TERMS OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
SO ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THAT IS WE HAVE $4.2 MILLION ADDS UP TO THE 25% THRESHOLD. SO THAT WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE.
AND BEYOND THAT, WE HAVE $2,889,495 IN OUR GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE.
THAT IS YET ANOTHER WAY TO COME UP WITH FUNDING.
AND FINALLY, THERE ARE MISCELLANEOUS PROJECTS THAT A LA CARTE YOU COULD YOU COULD PICK APART THAT ADD UP TO $176,500. SOME OF THOSE ARE FRANKLY GENERAL MAINTENANCE OF PARKS AND RIGHTS OF WAY AND ALL THAT PART OF OUR OF OUR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES.
THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE I ASK FOR OTHER COMMENTS, I DO WANT TO MAKE MY OWN COMMENT ON THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE KEVIN PUTTING THE TIME INTO OPTIONS.
AND BECAUSE SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THAT KEVIN HAS LISTED THAT MAKE UP THIS $176,500 ARE THINGS LIKE REPLACING ATLANTIC MAYPORT LANDSCAPING, GENERAL LANDSCAPING, BEACH ACCESS, LANDSCAPING, DUTTON RECEPTACLES, PUBLIC WORKS SHED AND TRUCK.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE LEAVE THAT ALONE.
AND I'M GOING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR EVERYBODY IF YOU SO CHOOSE, IS I WOULD I WOULD NOT TALK TODAY ABOUT GOING INTO THE RESERVES BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
AND THE ITEMS THAT MR. HOGENCAMP BROUGHT UP THAT MIGHT WE MIGHT HAVE TO REVISIT THIS YEAR LIKE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB MATCHING $100,000 AND SO ON, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED LATER AND IF NECESSARY THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES.
BUT A SIMPLE SOLUTION TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE ROLLBACK AND THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER KELLY BROUGHT UP ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET IS TO SIMPLY ELIMINATE THE $500 AND WHAT WAS IT, $570,000 FROM THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER AND NOW YOU HAVE EXCESS IN THE IN THE BUDGET NOT A SHORTFALL AND AND GO FROM THERE.
SO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE A HERE THE MILLAGE RATE YOU KNOW I MEAN THAT'S THE FRAMEWORK AND THEN THE BUDGET FITS THE MILLAGE RATE, AT LEAST FROM WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
FOR INSTANCE, I'M A PROPONENT OF THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS REALLY SETS THE THE FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT WE PAY FOR AND WHAT WE DON'T.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HEARD A CONSENSUS IN GENERAL THAT WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE ROLLBACK.
SO DON'T WE NEED A MOTION THEN ALL THE DISCUSSION.
IN THIS CASE, WE NEEDED TO LAY OUT WHAT WE KNOW BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO A MOTION.
BUT I CERTAINLY WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME IF SOMEBODY SO CHOOSES FOR ANY OF THE OPTIONS.
WELL, THE DISCUSSION IS BETWEEN THE MILLAGE AND OR THE ROLLBACK.
YEAH. LET ME IF I CAN CLARIFY.
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YEAH, RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.
SO THIS PARTICULAR VOTE AND I THINK IT'S THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME OVERLAP BUDGET MILLAGE, BUT THE FIRST VOTE WILL BE SPECIFICALLY ON THE MILLAGE RATE, WHETHER IT'S THE ROLLBACK RATE, THE TENTATIVE OR OTHERWISE.
SO THERE SHOULD BE AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU'RE DONE DISCUSSING THIS, A MOTION TO MOVE, WHETHER IT'S THE ROLLBACK RATE WITH A SECOND TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, CLOSE THAT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE UP THE BUDGET SO WE CAN TALK SPECIFICS ON THAT.
OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY ON THE MILLAGE.
BUT THEY ARE RELATED BECAUSE IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS, WHAT AT WHAT COST? AND BUT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO TAKE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE DIALOG NOW, I'M OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE INTERRELATED.
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SO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO, I MEAN, I DID WANT TO DISCUSS FUNDING FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW, TO SAVE THAT FOR ONE B, WOULD THAT BE PART OF ONE B OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW? OKAY, NOW YOU'RE ADDING TO THE BUDGET.SO. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S REASONABLE.
YOU CAN DO THAT. UM, KEVIN'S RESPONSE.
CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR RESPONSE ON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL? OH, GOODNESS. I'M A MUCH BETTER WRITER THAN SPEAKER.
LET'S SEE, UM, IF I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST FROM BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK AND THE WONDERFUL FOLKS WHO SERVE ON THAT BOARD IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION PUTS $25,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT THERE.
AND IN RESPONDING TO LENNY JEVIC, WHO FORWARDED THE REQUEST OR RESENT THE REQUEST TO US TODAY.
I NOTED THAT THE COMMISSION IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS COULD ADD $25,000 TO THE BUDGET.
YOU THE AFOREMENTIONED WAYS TO GET THERE COULD BE CONTEMPLATED IF YOU OPT TO DO THAT.
ANOTHER APPROACH YOU MAY TAKE IS THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS BEING REOPENED SORT OF AS WE SPEAK.
AND WE'RE PLANNING A TOWN HALL AND IN OCTOBER AND CONTEMPLATION OF THAT PROJECT BEING PART OF THE UPDATED PARKS MASTER PLAN COULD BE CONSIDERED AND THUS YOU COULD IN A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT FUND THAT REQUEST.
SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT MR. HOGENCAMP, OF WADING INTO MID-YEAR VERSUS TONIGHT.
UM, YOU'RE SIMPLY INCREASING THE BUDGET AND EITHER DIGGING INTO THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE TO DO THAT OR IMPACTING FUNDING THAT'S IN PLACE FOR PROJECTS.
I DO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE AND I THINK AS COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS OFTEN REMINDED US, LET'S OPEN UP THE PARKS PLAN AND REVISIT IT AND DO TALK ABOUT NUMEROUS THINGS, NOT JUST ADD OR A LA CARTE.
SO I WOULD I WOULD HOLD ON THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT.
IF THE PARKS PLAN GOT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS WITH THIS MONUMENT AS WELL.
IF I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M 100% FOR THIS MONUMENT, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE NEED FOR THE PARKS, THE PARKS COMMITTEE, LET'S MAKE IT ALL IN ONE BUNDLE. OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY. WE NEED SHADE BY VETERANS DAY BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN THAT SUN.
SO I KNOW LENNY IS IN THE ROOM NOW.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA.
OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF, CERTAINLY SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
MR. MAYOR, MATT, ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER.
MISS PURCELL HAS SENT ME THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION.
HOW MUCH WE OWE FOR SILVER PRESERVE.
THE OUTSTANDING AMOUNT OWED IS $1.34 MILLION.
ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MOVE ON THIS? MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE THE TO MOVE TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM ONE A AND IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM ONE B AND LET'S SEE.
DO WE NEED TO READ ANYTHING ON THAT? OKAY. THIS ITEM ONE B.
[1.B. First Reading on Adoption of Ordinance No. 20-23-168]
CLEAR OUT. THANK YOU, FOLKS.[00:50:09]
20-23-168 ESTABLISHING THE OPERATING BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 OF $59.I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATED NUMBER, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. AND SO IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
DONNA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS PORTION? LEFT, BUT I'LL JUST GO DOWN.
AS YOU KNOW, I'M BRINKLEY HERALD 266TH STREET.
I SOMETIMES FORGET TO GIVE THE FULL ANNOUNCEMENT EVERY TIME BECAUSE Y'ALL SEE ME SO REGULARLY.
UM, FOR STARTERS, FIRST OFF, I'M NOT AGAINST BUDGETS AND I'M NOT AGAINST SPENDING.
I'M JUST FOR SMART SPENDING AND REDUCTION OF TAXATION IN ALL REGARDS, WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
SMART SPENDING OR WISE SPENDING IS REALLY MY MANTRA.
OKAY. LAST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AS A REMINDER FOR THE THREE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE ONE YEAR AGO, WHERE THEY ON THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING, IT WAS A HIGHER MILLAGE RATE AND Y'ALL WENT THROUGH THE SAME FIRST PROCESS, DECIDED TO DROP IT BY AN EIGHTH, AND CITY STAFF HAD 2 OR 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE SECOND MEETING TO COME UP WITH $300,800, I THINK IT WAS.
BUT IT DID DROP OUR MILLAGE RATE BY AN EIGHTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WIN, I SUPPOSE.
UNFORTUNATELY KEVIN AND BRITTANY WERE ONLY ABLE TO PUBLISH THE FULL BUDGET AT 1645. SORRY, 4:45 THIS AFTERNOON.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH ALL 297 PAGES OF IT BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY ALL THE OTHER TENTATIVE BUDGETS THAT WERE PUBLISHED WAS THE CONDENSED VERSION WITH ONLY 181 PAGES, NOT 297.
WHAT I DID GET TO WAS I WENT TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS PAGE RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE.
AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
A NEW ERP SYSTEM FOR $625,000.
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? HECK, IS THAT SORRY? OKAY, $600,000, I THINK, IS THE NUMBER FOR THE 16TH STREET DOOM CROSSOVER.
THE CITY WAS DEEDED THAT PROPERTY IN 1993.
WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, THEY BUILT THE EXISTING CROSS OVER THERE.
IT'S ONLY A FIVE FOOT WIDE EASEMENT.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T IN TOUCH WITH IT.
THE 15TH STREET RAMP IS ONLY FIVE DOORS DOWN FROM IT.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND $600,000 THERE.
MILLING AND PAVING ONLY HAS $550,000 IN THE BUDGET.
LAST YEAR IT STARTED AT $400,000, BUT THEN WE HAD TO ADD $3 OR $400 MORE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO IT THAT WE TOOK FROM OTHER NON-SMART THINGS LIKE A $200,000 MURAL ON THE FLYOVER, $350,000 FROM THE SILVER MARINA MULTI USE PATH THAT NOBODY WANTED AND SO FORTH.
THE CPI IS EXPECTED TO ONLY BE 3% THIS YEAR.
WE'RE ALREADY GIVING EMPLOYEES 4% IN THE BUDGET AND THE UNION PEOPLE WANT 6%.
BUT IF WE GIVE THEM THAT, THE NONUNION PEOPLE, WE CAN'T CUT HAIRS THERE.
WE GOT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME THING.
I SAY STICK TO YOUR GUNS AT THE 4%.
AND IF THE UNION CONTRACT LAPSES, SO BE IT.
MAY I HAVE EXTRA TIME SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS SPEAKING? I'LL GRANT YOU THAT.
I THOUGHT THE SILVER PRESERVE LOAN WAS $1.5 MILLION FOR 15 YEARS STARTED IN 2018.
IF WE PAY THAT SUCKER OFF FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WE'LL SAVE $40,000 A YEAR TIMES TEN YEARS.
OTHER PLACES TO SAVE SOME MONEY IS IN THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET.
ACTUALLY, IT'S ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE.
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I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL.LAST YEAR WAS AN OUTLIER WHEN THEY UPPED IT FROM $50,000 OR MAYBE IT WAS $50,000 UP TO $81,000.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SAY $30,000 HERE, $50,000 THERE.
AND SAYING, YEAH, WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO SPEND THAT EXTRA MONEY THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS ERP SYSTEM, I HOPE ONE OF Y'ALL WILL ASK THAT QUESTION, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AND WHY IS IT $625,000 OF NEW SPENDING AND REDUCING EVEN 16TH STREET FROM $600,000 TO $300 AND THEN SPEND THE OTHER $300 ON FIRST, SECOND, FIFTH OR FOURTH STREET DOING CROSSOVERS.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER CARD, MAYOR.
I'M LENNY JEVIC. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ON BEHALF OF THE BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK COMMITTEE AND ALSO THE 27 FALLEN VETERANS FROM THE BEACHES AREA THAT CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND IF WE HAD ALL 27 OF THEM IN HERE, WE HAVE 17 IN HERE NOW.
CAN YOU IMAGINE 27 SITTING WITH US? THEY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEIR VOICES SPOKEN, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
THERE'S NOWHERE AROUND THIS BEACHES AREA THAT BRINGS THEM ALL TOGETHER.
THEY ALL WENT OFF WITH A COMMON CAUSE TO SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY.
SO THE FREEDOMS THAT WE CAN ENJOY TODAY, WE OWE THIS TO THEM.
SPECIFICALLY THIS WEEK, STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THERE WERE THREE FROM THE 10TH TO THE 20TH, THERE WERE THREE JACKSONVILLE BEACH YOUNG MEN UNDER THE AGE OF 20.
THERE WAS AN OPERATION IN VIETNAM GOING ON OPERATION MAMELUKE THRUST.
THREE OF THEM UNDER THE AGE OF 20, LOST THEIR LIVES WITHIN A TEN DAY SPAN.
IN 1966 TWO JACKSONVILLE BEACH, FELL IN VIETNAM.
NO VIETNAM VETERANS, NO WAR, KOREAN WAR, NO COLD WAR LOCATIONS.
WE WANT TO BRING THAT TOGETHER AT THE BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK OUT HERE.
WE RAISE OUR MONEY SOLELY ON BRICKS SELLING BRICKS.
WHEN I JOINED THE PARK I WAS ON A COMMITTEE THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK THEY HAVE $5,500.
WE HAVE NOW LIKE $8,000 THERE BY SELLING BRICKS.
BUT THAT'S HOW WE RAISE OUR MONEY.
WE'VE NEVER COME TO THE BEACHES.
AND THIS LAST YEAR WE WENT AND SENT LETTERS OUT TO ALL THREE BEACHES AND WE GOT NOTHING.
THAT WOULD BE LOVE TO BE OUT HERE.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUT WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR Q AND A OF MR. JEVIC ON THIS REQUEST.
I JUST I'LL SAY SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.
[INAUDIBLE] WHAT IS YOUR RANK? SO I TOLD YOU THAT I WENT TO THAT MEMORIAL SERVICE.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.
I APOLOGIZE TO HIM FOR NOT CALLING HIM BACK ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS INFINITELY MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN THE PICKLEBALL COURT AT DONNER PARK.
WE HAD TO GET THEIR AUTHORIZATION.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO THIS.
I DON'T EVEN WANT THEM TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH PICKLEBALL.
I DON'T WANT ANY BARRIER TO THIS.
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LET'S JUST GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY NEED FOR THIS MONUMENT.AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID TO COMBINE IT WITH WHATEVER PICKLEBALL COURT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TO NOT DELAY IT ANY FURTHER.
BUT I WANT TO GET THIS DONE PRONTO AND.
OKAY. AND I HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER.
AND IT WAS HOW DOES WAITING UNTIL MID-YEAR AFFECT YOUR PROJECTS THAT HAVE PLANNED? WELL, WE HAVE TWO SPECIFIC EVENTS, VETERANS DAY AND MEMORIAL DAY.
WE HAVE A SIX MONTH PERIOD IN BETWEEN.
SO WE TRY TO GET LIKE AFTER VETERANS DAY, WE WERE GOING TO APPROACH KATE AND KYLE KETTLE, WHICH GIVES SO MUCH OF THEIR LABOR AND TIME FOR US AS VOLUNTEER WORK. PLUS THEY GIVE US GREAT BREAKS ON THEIR WORK TO REGRADE AND THAT IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO ITEMS SUCH AS THAT SO WE CAN GET IT PREPARED FOR THE MONUMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ERECTING OUT THERE.
RIGHT. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO POSTPONE THIS TO MID-YEAR BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET YOUR MONEY, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR CORRECT. SO, I MEAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM HAVE HIS MONEY OR BEACH'S VETERANS MEMORIAL HAVE THAT MONEY UP FRONT.
I MEAN, JUST THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THEN AND ONE B CHANGE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, CORRECT? SURE. KEVIN THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH. YEAH. SO AS DOC WATER SAID, YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS, BUT, UM, YEAH, BY ALL MEANS, I KNOW THAT WE CAN LOOK AT CERTAIN PROJECTS AND GO, CAN WE GO INTO RESERVE? YES, WE CAN.
THIS IS ONE WHERE I WOULD DIVE DEEPLY INTO THE RESERVE.
UM, SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL EXCUSE YOU ON THIS.
BUT, UM, I THINK WHAT I SAW IN THE COMMUNICATION TODAY IS THIS IS FOR THE BEACHES.
ARE EITHER THE OTHER TWO BEACHES PARTICIPATING IN ANY OF THE COST OF THE MONUMENT? THE SAME LETTER THAT WENT OUT IN JULY WENT OUT TO ALL THREE BEACHES.
WE HAVE HEARD BACK FROM NONE OF THE BEACHES.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT TO BRING THIS UP.
I'M PLANNING TO GO ON TO JACKSONVILLE BEACH.
I'M PLANNING ON GOING TO NEPTUNE BEACH AND SPEAK ON BEHALF.
SO HOW MUCH DO WE THINK WE NEED FOR THE MONUMENT? UM, I CAN'T SAY RIGHT OFF HAND, I WILL GIVE YOU A FIGURE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SOUTHERN MONUMENT RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A PROPOSAL COMING BACK BASED ON THE MERCHANT MARINE MONUMENT THAT'S OUT THERE NOW THAT WAS GIVEN CAUSE WE'RE HAVING VARYING COSTS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE, BUT OUR PROJECTS ENTAIL PROBABLY ABOUT IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE EVENTUALLY $100,000 TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT WE WANT. BUT IF WE GET MONIES FROM EACH OF THREE BEACHES, WE'RE THERE PLUS OUR MONEY, WE CAN WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH.
THANK YOU, MR. JEVIC THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT FOR ALL THE VETERANS.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES.
BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY SUGGEST THAT WE ALSO AGREE TO REVISIT IT BASED ON A FINAL PROPOSAL, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, AND IF IT'S NOT PROPERLY FUNDED, THEN WE'RE JUST THROWING MONEY AT SOMETHING BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD.
MAYOR, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MAYBE, MAYBE KEVIN CAN HELP ME.
THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST READING ON THE BUDGET, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WE COULD PUT A PLACEHOLDER.
WE SEE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND THEN WE APPROVE IT AND I'M SURE THERE ARE NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO OUT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT A HARD LOOK.
THAT'S WHAT WE DESERVE OUR CITIZENS TO DO.
AND AND THEN GO AT THE SECOND READING AND TAKE A LOOK.
SO I THINK WE CAN BOOKMARK THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXACT NUMBER.
THANK YOU, MR. HOGENCAMP. THANKS, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE ABLE TO WALK US THROUGH THIS.
WE ARE GOING TO BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING PLACE, AN AD IN THE BEACHES LEADER TELLING THE WORLD WHAT THE WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET AMOUNTS.
AND SO I'M HOPING AND PERHAPS I'M I'M CERTAIN THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE TONIGHT KNOWING WHAT TO PUT IN THAT AD.
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WELL, I THINK THEY'VE SET THE MILLAGE AND SO THAT MILLAGE HAS A COMMENSURATE REVENUE, RIGHT.THE $59 AND CHANGE THAT YOU CITED.
SO THAT'S THE TENANT OF PRESUMABLY THE TENANTIVE BUDGET AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT THEN IT BECOMES A MATTER OF PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT NUMBER CONSTITUTES.
SO AND THAT'S FAIRLY DEBATABLE BY THIS THIS COMMISSION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY FROM HERE AND PUT IT THERE, THAT'S FINE.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT MOVES FROM ONE, IT'S FUNGIBLE.
SO WHEN IT MOVES FROM ONE PLACE, IT'LL DISAPPEAR FROM ANOTHER.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITY.
BUT I THINK WHAT CAN CHANGE IS YOUR PRIORITIES.
SO IF THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF OTHERS PERHAPS IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW THAT HASN'T BEEN PROGRAMED IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, AND LET'S JUST USE THE ROUND NUMBER OF $25,000, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST FIND THAT $25,000 AND REMOVE IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OR IF YOU'RE GOING, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE RESERVE, WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT IS.
SO SO I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE SHOULD BE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ADVERTISE BASED ON THE VOTE THAT WAS JUST TAKEN AND THE VOTE, I PRESUME, WILL BE TAKEN IN A MINUTE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, KEVIN, BUT.
UM, IF IT ANSWERED THE COMMISSION.
IF THE COMMISSION IS CLEAR, THEN I'M GOOD.
I KNOW THAT IN THE IN THE AD, IN THE DISPLAY AD, IT HAS A BUDGET SUMMARY.
AND I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW IF ADDING THIS $25,000 PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD IMPACT THOSE NUMBERS.
WELL, I THINK WHAT WE KNOW IS THE DELTA WITH THE ADDITIONAL MILLAGE REDUCTION OVER AND BEYOND, WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY WERE CONSIDERING IS A NUMBER. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? $300 AND.
THE $352,000 NUMBER? IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THREE $352,820, $820 TO BE PRECISE.
WE KNOW THERE'S A REQUEST FOR $25,000.
IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO VOTE TO ACCEPT THAT, WE'LL ADD THAT NUMBER TO IT.
SO NOW WE NEED APPROXIMATELY $377,820 TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
WE KNOW WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED TWO OPTIONS RATHER THAN REMOVING OTHER THINGS FROM THE BUDGET, WE COULD SIMPLY ELIMINATE THE WALK OVER AT 16TH STREET, OR WE COULD SIMPLY TAKE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE RESERVES IN THE GENERAL FUND.
I HAVE A QUESTION JEVIC SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE $100,000 TO THE MONUMENT.
THAT GIVES US $75 FOR THE THREE BEACHES.
IF THEY IF THEY AGREE TO THE $25 EACH SO WE'RE SHORT RIGHT NOW.
MR. JEVIC HAS INDICATED THEY RAISE MONEY FROM BRICKS SALES.
I MEAN, I LIKE THE CONCEPT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO LOOSE WITH THE PUBLIC PURSE HERE.
SO I'M GOOD WITH WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS IF HE CAN ATTRACT OTHER MONIES.
MAYOR, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
THIS IF KEVIN ATLANTIC BEACH HAS TAKEN A LEAD ON THIS.
GUESS WHAT? I READ THE BEACHES LEADER AND I LIVE IN PONTE VEDRA.
I LIVE IN JACKS BEACH OR I LIVE IN NEPTUNE BEACH.
GUESS WHAT? I WANT TO STEP UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S LEAD FROM THE FRONT.
KEVIN PRODUCED THAT, RIGHT? I READ THAT. I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANT MY CITY TO BE LIKE THAT.
JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUBLISH IT.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TONIGHT.
THE AMENDMENT NEEDS TO SAY THE FUNDING SOURCE.
SO WHICH FUNDING SOURCE ARE YOU ASKING TO BE IN THE AMENDED BUDGET? OH, THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER.
THAT IS NOT AN ACTIONABLE PROJECT.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? AND IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY.
AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALLOCATED TO WHAT ITEMS? JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WOULD BE OKAY.
GOOD QUESTION. THEY WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE MILLAGE REDUCTION, TAKING US DOWN TO THE ROLLBACK.
AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE $25,000 REQUESTED FOR THE MONUMENT.
OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR FOR KEVIN AND.
IT'S THROUGH THE MAYOR MAY I ADDRESS MR.
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GABRIEL. AND ALSO, LIKE MISS PURCELL AND MISS BARTLE TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS.YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE VOTING ON THE ORDINANCE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A SPECIFIC OPERATING BUDGET EXPENDITURES AMOUNT.
AND I READ THE AMOUNT EARLIER, THE $59,146,295 THAT CONTEMPLATED A REDUCING THE BUDGET BY $352,820.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HICCUPS AS WE GET THROUGH THE SECOND READING, DO WE NOW NEED TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT BY $25,000? NO, LET ME THANK YOU.
SURE. I'M CLEAR. WE'RE STILL OPERATING WITH THAT EXACT SAME REVENUE NUMBER FROM THE MILLAGE.
IT'S A MATTER OF INTERNAL ALLOCATION ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE DOLLARS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'VE SUBMITTED A BUDGET THAT'S BASED ON A MILLAGE OF WHAT IS THAT MILL 2.9.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 2.8412.
BUT ISN'T THE 16TH THE WALKOVER AND 16TH STREET THAT'S NOT ATTAINABLE THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF LEGAL LEGALITIES? I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S ACTIONABLE THIS YEAR.
IT'LL TAKE RUNNING A VERY STOUT RACE TO GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR.
IS THAT NOT WITHIN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW? SO BUT IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE AS JASON WE DON'T KNOW THAT. I MEAN I'M A PROPONENT OF THE 16TH STREET.
OKAY. THAT THE CITY MAY FACE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE OBSTACLES.
THERE'S SEVERAL OF OUR PROJECTS WE ROLLED OVER THIS YEAR WERE OBSTACLES.
AND GUESS WHAT? WE ROLLED THEM OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY VOTING ON IS WE ARE VOTING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIT THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AM I RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. BOLE JUST SAID, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
CORRECT. AND SO COMMENSURATE WITH THAT IS A ROLLBACK BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK OF THE $59,146,295.
CORRECT? SO THOSE TWO THINGS MATCH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY IS SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THAT REVENUE NUMBER THAT BUDGET NUMBER $59,146,295.
IF THAT'S THE VOTE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE.
AND WITHIN THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE POTENTIALLY MONEY FROM THE 16TH STREET WALKOVER TO MEET THAT DELTA THAT IS NOW BEEN REDUCED AND THAT $25,000 AS WELL.
MR. HOGENCAMP THANK YOU, MR. GABRIEL. MISS PURCELL, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU JUST HEARD? BECAUSE NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK.
I KNOW WE DID ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, SHE AND I TODAY.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET THIS WRONG BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, JASON.
SO FROM WHAT MAYOR FORD IS SAYING, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.
16TH STREET WALKOVER IS $570,000.
SO THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE $600.
PARDON ME. ACTUALLY, GUESS YOU'RE THIS.
LET'S STICK WITH THE THE PODIUM AND THE DAIS FOR THE MOMENT.
AND THEN FOR THE AD VALORUM GOING DOWN TO THE ROLLBACK RATE AND THEN THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
SO WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE THERE.
SO THERE'LL BE A DELTA AND SO THAT PRESUMABLE DELTA $100,000, WHATEVER THAT IS.
YEAH. YOU'LL HAVE TO ALLOCATE THAT TO SOMETHING.
YOU WOULD ALLOCATE THAT TO RESERVES.
THAT'S MY QUESTION. AND THAT WOULD BE THE DEFAULT.
THANKS FOR INDULGING ME, EVERYONE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
SO FOR COMMISSIONER BOLES, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE 16TH STREET WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS YEAR TO MANEUVER INTO SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN FIX IT NEXT YEAR AFTER.
THAT IS HOW I THAT IS HOW I SEE IT.
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I'M NOT SAYING NO TO 16TH STREET, JUST NOT THIS YEAR.WAS THAT THE MAJORITY IS THAT ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT OR.
HOLD ON RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION WITH NO SECOND.
WITHOUT SECOND WE REALLY ARE WERE DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
LET'S GO BACK TO GETTING THAT DONE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? AND CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION? YOU GOING TO STATE THAT, COUNCILOR? YEAH, I THINK THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET OF THE $59,146,295, WHICH IS THE ROLLBACK RATE BUDGET.
OKAY. THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A SECOND.
TWO THINGS. I WANT 16TH STREET AND THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
SO IT'S A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THE BUDGET, WHICH WE BASICALLY HAVE THE NUMBER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SECOND READING, YOU MAY HEAR MORE FROM ME, AND IF I MAY, THAT [INAUDIBLE] I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU APPROVE THIS TENTATIVE BUDGET WITH PERHAPS CONSENSUS AND INPUT.
PERHAPS THAT MAY BE A WAY TO DO IT.
BUT REGARDLESS, WE'LL BE WITHIN THE BUDGET.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THANK YOU, MR. BOLE, FOR THE QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK WE DESERVE A PAT ON, AND WE SET THE BAR TOO.
THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.