Sep 25, 2023 Commission Meeting

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WELCOME NEIGHBORS.

WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE IF YOU'LL JOIN COMMISSIONER RING, PLEASE.

HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE GATHER HERE TODAY TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE WELL-BEING OF OUR CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS.

WE TURN FIRST TO YOU.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WITHOUT YOUR WISDOM AND DIRECTION, OUR EFFORTS ARE IN VAIN.

WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSING UPON THE CITY COMMISSION, OUR CITIZENS, ALL WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, AND FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR ARMED FORCES SERVING OUR COUNTRY.

GRACIOUS GOD AS STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES ENTRUSTED TO US BY OUR COMMUNITY, WE PRAY FOR GUIDANCE, TRANSPARENCY AND UNITY IN OUR DECISION MAKING SO THAT OUR BUDGET MAY REFLECT PRUDENCE, FAIRNESS AND COMPASSION FOR ALL.

MAY OUR INTENTIONS BE NOBLE, OUR PLANS HONORABLE AND OUR DEEDS JUST AS WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE COMMIT THIS MEETING TO YOUR CARE, TRUSTING IN YOUR DIVINE PROVIDENCE TO GUIDE US IN ALL OUR DELIBERATIONS.

IN YOUR HOLY NAME, WE PRAY.

AMEN.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THAT WAS EXCELLENT ON THE INVOCATION.

THANK YOU. DONNA, CAN YOU START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL? WAIT A SECOND. I HAVEN'T CALLED THE MEETING.

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SEPTEMBER 25TH.

THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

NOW, DONNA, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ARE THERE COMMISSIONERS, I ASSUME YOU'VE REVIEWED THEM.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS SUBMITTED.

LET'S SEE. WE ONLY HAD THE ONE, SO THAT'S GOOD.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

SO TONIGHT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WILL HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM AND THEN WE HAVE A ORDINANCE ALSO WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUBLIC FORUM.

SO WE'LL HAVE THREE OPPORTUNITIES.

ASSUMING YOU WANT TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING TO SPEAK, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR REGULAR COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

AND I THINK WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT AT FIVE MINUTES, DONNA.

BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING THREE TIMES TONIGHT, PLEASE HELP EVERYBODY OUT AND REDUCE IT BELOW FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE THAT'S 15 MINUTES PER PERSON IF YOU GO DO THAT.

BUT ANYWAYS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR FIRST REQUEST.

ELLEN GLASSER.

HELLO, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

MAYOR, COMMISSION STAFF.

NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'LL HAVE TO TALK FAST.

UM. UH, YOUR VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING TO USE THE ROLLBACK RATE WITH THE BUDGET WAS DISAPPOINTING IN ITS TIMING, ITS LACK OF INPUT FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER. AND NOTICE TO THE COMMISSION LAST YEAR, WE REDUCED THE MILLAGE RATE SLIGHTLY, BUT IT WAS PARALLELED BY ACTION FROM DOJ.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DIALOG IN THIS COMMISSION CHAMBER, AND WE WERE STILL FEELING THE INFUSION OF ARPA DOLLARS THIS YEAR.

YOU ARE OUTLIERS AMONG MUNICIPALITIES AND YOU COULD TAKE GUIDANCE FROM EXPERIENCED FINANCIAL MANAGERS.

I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL.

I HOPE THAT IT'S MADE PART OF THE RECORD.

UM, SO I ASK THE COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE AND TO BE PRUDENT FIDUCIARIES FOR ATLANTIC BEACH OR VOTE NO.

UM, COSTS THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET INFLATION ALL UP, AS WE HAVE HEARD.

BUT YOU ARE NOT THE TAXING AUTHORITY FOR DUVAL COUNTY OR THE SCHOOLS YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONLY ATLANTIC BEACH COSTS ARE UP HERE TOO.

LIKE THE SPEAKERS AT THE LAST MEETING, I AM BOTH A FORMER CONSERVATIVE MAYOR AND I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME.

LIKE OTHERS I CAN SEE ON MY TAX BILL WHAT I PAY FOR ATLANTIC BEACH 16.5 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

THIS PAYS FOR WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER, POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, OUR WORKFORCE, WHAT IT COSTS TO PAY THEM, PARKS CENTERS, ANIMAL CONTROL, THE BEACH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

AND THAT IS A HECK OF A LOT FOR 16.5 CENTS ON THE OTHER.

ON THE FLIP SIDE, I PAY FIVE TIMES MORE THAN MY AB TAXES AND INSURANCE.

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I PAY SCHOOL TAXES WHEN I HAVEN'T HAD A CHILD IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR 16 YEARS AND I PAY A LOT MORE MONEY IN MY UTILITY BILLS TO GE THAN I EVER PAY IN DUVAL COUNTY THAN I EVER PAY IN ATLANTIC BEACH, RATHER.

EXCUSE ME. UM, SO WHAT MAY NOT BE WELL KNOWN IS THAT BY USING THE ROLLBACK RATE, YOU'RE GOING TO BENEFIT THE WEALTHY MUCH MORE THAN YOU'RE GOING TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON FIXED INCOMES THAT CAME TO SPEAK TO YOU.

IN TRYING TO SERVE YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOU HAVE PUT US ON A PATH FOR A STARVATION DIET OF SERVICES.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR COMMISSIONERS TO FOLLOW.

I LISTENED TO THE MEETING AND I HEARD THAT OR I SEE, OBSERVED THAT A COUPLE HAD NEVER DONE A BUDGET BEFORE HERE.

I HEAR THAT SOME STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE ROLLBACK RATE.

AND I HEAR OTHERS ASKING, WELL, WHY THIS CONVERSATION DIDN'T HAPPEN SOONER.

MY CRITICS WILL SAY THAT I AM TRYING TO RAISE TAXES AND THAT WOULD BE FALSE.

USING THE PROPOSED RATE THAT YOU HAD TWO WEEKS AGO, NOT THE ROLLBACK RATE WOULD STILL BE A DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENT AND WOULD BE PRUDENT.

I'LL POINT OUT THAT THE MAYOR TIMED THAT DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN IN THE 11TH HOUR AFTER THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, JOE GARRITY, HAD LEFT.

WHAT WOULD JOE HAVE SAID IF YOU HAD PRESENTED THAT TO HIM? YOU PUT STAFF, YOU PUT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU PUT THE CITY IN A TERRIBLE POSITION TO READJUST AT THIS TIME.

IT ALSO UNDERMINES THE EFFORTS TO REVIEW THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD COJ THEY WANT TO ADJUST WHAT WE GET IN THAT FORMULA IF WE GOVERN LIKE WE DON'T NEED MORE OF OUR OWN TAX DOLLAR? IT ALSO UNDERMINES OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND FUTURE COMMISSIONS, AS I SAID BEFORE, TO SAY THAT SERVICES ARE NOT AFFECTED IS MISLEADING, NOT TO MENTION WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF COST OVERRUNS.

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE LIFEGUARD STATION? WE'VE HAD THE MONEY FOR THREE YEARS.

IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN IT DID WHEN WE GOT THE MONEY.

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE BAKER CENTER ENHANCEMENT? WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE ROUNDABOUT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO LOOK AT NEW IDEAS LIKE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ONE ON SEMINOLE ROAD, WHICH COULD BE USED FOR AN EXTRA LANE FOR SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC THAT DID COST ABOUT 700,000 AND NOW IT'S COSTING OVER A MILLION.

WHAT ABOUT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO VETERANS PARK, WHICH IS ALMOST HOME, WHICH IS NOW FOR SALE, WHICH WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT ADDED VALUE TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

THESE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS AND LEAD WITH.

YOU ARE A FIDUCIARY.

YES, YOU SERVE OUR RESIDENTS, BUT YOU ARE OUR FIDUCIARY TO MANAGE THE BUDGET.

PLEASE GOVERN, DON'T CAMPAIGN, DON'T APPEASE.

PLEASE RECONSIDER THE PROPOSED USING THE THE ROLLBACK RATE.

GO WITH THE PROPOSED RATE A DOWNWARD DEPARTURE STILL LESS THAN THREE MILLS.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JIM WHEATLEY. GOOD EVENING.

FIRST OF ALL, LOVE ATLANTIC BEACH.

I LOVE LIVING HERE.

IT'S JUST THE GREATEST CITY THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK, IS WONDERFUL.

I'M GOING TO DO SOME CRITICISM.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I'VE TRIED TO REFRAIN FROM CRITICIZING THE PRIOR MEAN SPIRITED REGIME THAT GROSSLY MISHANDLED CITY FINANCES, BUT I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.

LET'S FIRST CHAT ABOUT THAT ILLEGAL MONSTROSITY.

BUILDING IS GOING UP BEHIND AL'S PIZZA AS DIRECT RESULT OF THE FORMER MICROMANAGE CITY MANAGER.

BY SOME PERVERSION, BIKE PARKING SPOTS ARE TREATED AS PARAMOUNT TO CAR PARKING PLACES.

WONDER HOW THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

OF COURSE, THIS CONVENIENTLY CAME DOWN AFTER THE FORMER MAYOR LEFT OFFICE.

NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS FURTHER DRAIN ON PARKING SPACES AND TOWN CENTER.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GROSS FISCAL MISHANDLING OF CITY FUNDS UNDER THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION.

THE CITY'S ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IS SO CONVOLUTED THAT I, AS A CPA, RETIRED CPA, COULD NOT EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE THE ACCOUNTS.

I KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T BALANCE WHEN I LAST LOOKED.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STIMULUS MONEY THAT WAS DOLED OUT DURING COVID, NO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WAS EVER PERFORMED.

WE JUST GIVE AWAY MONEY WITH NO STRINGS, YOU KNOW, NICE PLAY EACH YEAR.

DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE ASKED FOR A BUDGET WITH LARGER ITEMS SHOWN THINK PROCESSES, CHILDREN TO NEGOTIATE THEIR ALLOWANCES.

A RESPONSIBLE PARENT SAYS NO TO UNNECESSARY EXTRAVAGANCES.

THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION APPARENTLY IS INCAPABLE OF JUST SAYING NO.

THE CITY ENDED UP WITH A $400,000 SALE OF VATICAN SEWER SUCKER.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE, BUT THE AVERAGE USE OF TWO HOURS A MONTH.

THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER SEEN IT USED WAS TO CLEAN UP FROM BUILDERS WHO DID NOT USE PROPER RETAINING WALLS.

OF COURSE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MUST HAVE AN ENTIRE FLEET OF BRAND NEW SHINY POLICE CARS.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT DUE TO BE SEEN IN AN OLDER CAR.

NOT TO WORRY.

OR THE NEWER CAR COMES OUT.

THE CURRENT FLEET WILL LIKELY SUFFER FROM DEFECTIVE REAR MAIN SEALS.

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LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GAP OF HOME OWNERSHIP.

TALK ABOUT THE OLDER BUYERS THAT COME TO ATLANTIC BEACH TO RETIRE.

WHEN THEY GET THEIR FIRST NON-CAP TAX BILL, THEY'RE BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER NOT ONLY BY TAXES, BUT INFLATION PLUNGING, MARKET LOOMING RECESSION.

YOU TALK ABOUT A THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE WILL TO DO AND THE NON WILL TO DO.

WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HELPS PEOPLE COME INTO ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT WE WANT TO THANK.

BEACH. THE MAYOR AND THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE COMMISSION HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF FISCAL FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

WE SHOULD BE EVER SO THANKFUL THESE FOLKS LOOKING AFTER ATLANTIC BEACH.

AM OTHER TOPIC I WANT TO TALK ON IS A SECRET CAMERAS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SLIDING IN UNDER OUR NOSES VIEWING THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA.

A FEW MONTHS BACK I NOTICED A SEEMING INNOCUOUS ITEM CALLED JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT OR SOMETHING OF THE LIKE.

APPARENTLY BEHIND IT, THE THE PERSON BEHIND REQUEST IS TO LIMIT IS TOO TIMID TO SAY JUST WHAT THIS ITEM IS REALLY ABOUT.

CAMERAS ARE GOING UP ALL OVER ATLANTIC BEACH.

A SENSIBLY THESE ARE LICENSE PLATE READERS.

I KNOW SOME OF THESE CAMERAS CAN IN FACT SERVE BOTH AS PLATE READERS AND FACIAL RECOGNITION.

HOWEVER, WHEN I ASKED QUESTIONS, I GOT A FAMILIAR REPLY FROM THE MIAMI BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE INFORMATION IS EITHER A GREAT POLICE SECRET AND OR AT A COST MANY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO OBTAIN.

I CAN ONLY GUESS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECORD KEEPING SYSTEM MUST BE IN GREAT DISARRAY OR THE ABILITY TO COMPROMISE OR WE'RE DEALING WITH GREAT SECRETS HERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN QUESTIONED ON THE POINT OF THESE CAMERAS, THE REPLIES ALONG THE LINES IS EVERYBODY IS DOING IT.

YEAH, EVERYBODY IS DOING IT.

NORTH KOREA IS DOING IT.

CHINA IS DOING IT. RUSSIA IS DOING IT.

GREAT. LET'S TRACK OUR CITIZENS.

JUST WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IN REGARDS TO FACIAL RECOGNITION.

I NEVER GOT AN ANSWER. AGAIN, I'M SURE IF I PAID HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS, I WOULD STILL BE STYMIED WITH THIS.

A GREAT STATE SECRET.

WE ARE NOT A CLOSED SOCIETY.

I ASK THAT WHEN THE POLICE ASKED FOR THESE CAMERAS, THAT WE LOOK INTO IT VERY, VERY VIGILANTLY AND FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO PART AS MY KNEES ARE KILLING ME.

THANK YOU, MR. WHEATLEY.

LENNY JEVIC.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGER AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS LENNY JEVIC 239 SEMINOLE ROAD.

I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AT 100 WEST FIRST STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

I FEEL THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ACQUISITION FOR THE CITY, AND AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS SELDOM COMES AROUND.

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.

A SENIOR CENTER, A VETERANS RESOURCE CENTER, A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A COMBINATION OF ALL THREE.

THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE EVENTS AND PROGRAMS HELD IN ATLANTIC BEACH, NOT MANY ARE HELD IN THE SOUTH END OF THE MARCH OAKS COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO BRING THIS AREA INTO THE MIDST OF ALL THESE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS, EVENTS THE CITY HAS TO OFFER AND BRING THE CITIZENS CLOSER.

THIS WOULD BRING A LOT OF GREAT RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY.

THERE ARE THOSE THAT WILL SPEAK OUT AGAINST SPENDING THE MONEY FOR THIS PROPERTY.

TO THEM, I ASK, HOW MUCH IS A LIFE WORTH SAVING? I CAN SAY I'VE PROBABLY BEEN IN MORE HOMES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM.

I HAVE RESPONDED TO CALLS WHERE A SENIOR CITIZEN JUST SENT OUT A $100,000 TO SOMEBODY THEY DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY WERE LONELY AND THE PERSON AT THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE LISTENED TO THEM, MADE THEM FEEL WANTED, BUT THEN TOOK $100,000 FROM THEM.

I'VE RESPONDED TO REOCCURRING CALLS FOR SERVICE FROM THE SAME SWEET OLDER PERSON, SOMETIMES 4 OR 5 CALLS IN A WEEK, NOT BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS WRONG, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY NEEDED SOMEONE TO TALK TO.

LONELINESS IS AN EPIDEMIC WHICH CAN LEAD TO INCREASED HEALTH PROBLEMS SUCH AS HEART DISEASE, STROKE, DEMENTIA AND SUICIDE.

COULD ADDING A SENIOR PROGRAM MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY? I BET ON IT. THE GAYLE BAKER AND JORDAN COMMUNITY CENTERS PROVIDE AFTER SCHOOL AND SUMMER PROGRAMS FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

THESE ARE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL, OFTEN BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND DISTANCE.

THESE PROGRAMS OFTEN UTILIZE VOLUNTEERS, SOMETIMES SENIORS, TO HELP TUTOR THOSE KIDS HAVING DIFFICULTIES LEARNING CERTAIN SUBJECTS.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW IDEAS THAT CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS ARE FAR AND FEW BETWEEN.

I JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING THIS PROPERTY PART OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JOVIC. BRINKLEY HARRELL.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF AND MR. MAYOR. I'M BRINKLEY HAROLD 260 6TH STREET.

FIRST OFF, THE LAST COUPLE OF COMMISSION MEETINGS ONE I THINK ONE WAS A SPECIAL MEETING FOR BUDGETS.

I'VE BEEN SURPRISED, GRATEFULLY SURPRISED THAT ALL OF YOU SEEM TO HAVE A MUCH,

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I APPLAUD YOU. I THINK IT'S GREAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THE THREE OF YOU THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION AND ADMINISTRATION.

YOU ALL KIND OF GOT THE BALL ROLLING ONE YEAR AGO WITH A ONE EIGHTH REDUCTION THEN THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE WITH OUR GREATLY INCREASING MEDIAN HOME VALUES IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WHICH IS NOW UP TO $435,000 THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR IT WAS ONLY 397.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT REALLY AFFECTS US AND ALLOWS US TO HAVE A MUCH LOWER MILLAGE RATE THAN JAX BEACH.

JAX BEACH, WHEN THEY HAVE A MEDIAN HOME VALUE MEDIAN TAX ASSESSED VALUE OF ONLY 267,000, THEY HAVE TO CHARGE FOUR MILLS TO EVEN GET THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO PAY 8 OR $900 IN TAXES, WHEREAS WE CAN HAVE A MUCH LOWER MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE A MUCH HIGHER PROPERTY VALUE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGAIN, I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS THAT'S ON THE DOCKET, THE FIRST ONE ABOUT USER LICENSES.

WE ONLY HAVE 130 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, BUT YET WE'RE GOING TO BUY 150 MICROSOFT OFFICE LICENSES.

AND HALF OF OUR EMPLOYEES DON'T DRIVE A DESK.

THEY WORK OUT IN THE FIELD.

THAT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAYBE $20,000.

BUT IT'S ONE TO LOOK AT.

8B, LIABILITY INSURANCE, RISK INSURANCE.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I EMAILED TO YOU WERE, HAS OUR INSURANCE AGENT BEEN INFORMED THAT WE'RE BUILDING A SPLASH PAD WITH INCREASED RISK TO THE CITY OF LAWSUITS AND INJURIES? DO THEY EVEN KNOW? IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOUR INSURANCE AGENT DOES KNOW THESE KINDS OF THINGS MIGHT NOT CHANGE IT YET FOR THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO BE HONEST ABOUT EVERYTHING.

THE RESOLUTION UNDER ITEM 8C, THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC UTILITIES.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

LET THE NEW CITY MANAGER WEIGH IN ON IT.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS CONTAINED IN THERE.

AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN ME STEP BY STEP IN MY EMAIL THAT YOU READ, BUT THERE'S $50,000 FOR PUTTING ART IN PARKS.

THAT'S LIKE $200,000 FOR PUTTING MURAL ON A CONCRETE OVERPASS.

IT'S GOING TO BE VANDALIZED.

OKAY. $600,000 FOR 16TH STREET, $560,000 FOR FOUR OTHER BEACH CROSSOVERS.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT FALL UNDER PARKS AND REC THAT UNDER THE 1982 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING US BACK FOR OR THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING THEM.

WE'VE GOT TO GO AFTER THAT MONEY BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO GET UP INTO MEGA MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

$120,000 FOR THE SKATE PARK.

I LOVE THE SKATE PARK.

DON'T GET ON IT ANYMORE.

OTHERWISE, YOU'RE RISK INSURANCE WOULD GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

BUT WHEN THAT SKATE PARK WAS FIRST BUILT AND SANDY FORESIGHT FROM AQUA SURF SHOP GOT THAT THING MOVING PAID FOR IT.

COJ PAID $35,000 TO GET THAT SKATEPARK OFF THE GROUND.

BUT YET NOW WE'VE GOT 120,000 IN OUR BUDGET.

WE'VE GOT TO GO AFTER COJ PEOPLE, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND A POLICY DECISION THAT I THAT I EMAILED YOU ABOUT HAS TO DO WITH GIVING FREE MONEY TO PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT NONPROFITS, THEY'RE NOT 501.

C THREE ORGANIZATIONS.

LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WHEN THE MONEY TOOK A BIG JUMP WITH AN ADDITIONAL $26,000.

WELL, WHO WE FORGOT ABOUT IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET IS THE ATLANTIC BEACH OR BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK THAT CAME FOR YOU CAME BEFORE YOU REQUESTING SOME MONEY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY OUT OF THE PARKS AND REC THING AND GET IT BACK DOWN TO TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S LEVELS OF 50 TO $55,000 AND REALLOCATE THAT $26,000 OR SO TO THE BEACHES.

VETERAN MEMORIAL PARK.

UM, AND AGAIN, I'LL SPEAK LATER ABOUT THE MILLAGE AND BUDGET, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I VERY GREATLY APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND COMMISSIONER RINGS INVOCATION COULD NOT HAVE SAID ANY BETTER WORDS ACROSS THE BOARD ABOUT ALL THAT AND I'M.

I'M NOT SO AMAZED, BUT I'M I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY.

SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

THANK YOU, MR. HAROLD.

THAT'S ALL THE SLIPS I HAVE, MAYOR.

OKAY. BEFORE I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF FLOOR AND MOVE INTO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

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CITY COMMISSIONERS AND OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE, INCLUDING RON BAUTISTA, OUR IT DIRECTOR, CHIEF GUALILLO DONNA BARTLE, CITY CLERK, AND OF COURSE, LIDIJA NICHOLS, OUR DEPUTY CITY CLERK.

UM, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT YOU ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FIRST, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW OF SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I HOPE YOU'LL PUT ON YOUR CALENDAR.

PLEASE. OH, I'M SORRY.

ARE YOU READY FOR APPROVAL? SURE, PLEASE.

HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? ANY CONCERNS? CHANGES. OKAY.

THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

OH, ACTUALLY, WE COULD JUST TAKE A CONSENSUS ON THIS.

SO. ALL AGREED.

YEP, WE'RE ALL GOOD. OKAY. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

WE'RE NOW. DO YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS? DO, PLEASE. THANKS.

REGARDING YOUR CALENDARS.

I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT YOUR AVAILABILITY FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING A WEEK FROM TONIGHT TO CONSIDER THE BLUE COLLAR UNIONS, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS REQUEST FOR A PAY INCREASE FOR ITS MEMBERS.

THAT WOULD BE A PAY INCREASE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S BUDGETED FOR THE NON PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES.

THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT HAS CHOSEN THIS ROUTE TO COME DIRECTLY TO YOU RATHER THAN OTHER OPTIONS THEY HAD.

SO IF WE WE CAN'T ARRIVE AT AT A WEEK FROM TODAY FOR YOUR MEETING DATE, THEN WE'LL THEN I'LL BE IN TOUCH AFTER TODAY TO PROPOSE SOME MORE DATES.

WOULD THAT BE THE 2ND OF OCTOBER? IT WOULD, YES.

AT WHAT TIME? YOU NAME IT, I'M THROWING 5:30 OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION.

I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND ON THAT DATE.

SO I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THEN THAT I BE BACK IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT ABOUT A DAY, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S AGREEABLE.

THANK YOU. THAT'D BE GREAT.

I'M AVAILABLE FROM THE NEXT DAY ON FOR A MONTH.

GREAT. THANK YOU. IF I CAN CONTINUE SOME OTHER THINGS TO PLEASE CONSIDER PUTTING ON YOUR CALENDARS.

WE ARE REOPENING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND A FEW DATES TO KEEP IN MIND.

AND WE'LL TRANSMIT THIS TO YOU AND TO THE TO THE PUBLIC.

OCTOBER 14TH IS OUR NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING.

AND STAFF IS IS PLANNING UNLESS THE CITY COMMISSION SAYS OTHERWISE, TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN ON AS A TOPIC OF THAT TOWN HALL MEETING.

AND WE'LL SOLICIT PUBLIC INPUT AND GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

WE'LL COVER SOME SOME KEY ITEMS THAT HAVE EMERGED SINCE THEN AND OTHERWISE THAT WILL BE PART OF AN INTENSIVE PROCESS OF PUBLIC INPUT.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, ON OCTOBER 24TH, AT 1:00 AND 6 P.M.

HERE IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBER, WE'RE PLANNING MORE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

AND OCTOBER 26TH AT 6 P.M.

AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, WE'D LIKE TO ROUND UP THE PUBLIC AND AND YOU IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR TO GIVE US INPUT.

WHAT DATE IS IT? THAT LAST ONE WAS OCTOBER 26TH.

AND IF I CAN CONTINUE WITH SOME OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER PUTTING ON YOUR CALENDAR, THE THE BEACHES TRAIN CLUB, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, HAVE A NEW EXHIBIT THAT'S JUST ABOUT READY TO BE UNVEILED AT ADELE GRANGE CULTURAL CENTER.

THAT'S A FLAGLER RAILWAY EXHIBIT.

AND WE'RE PLANNING A PREVIEW ON OCTOBER 6TH IN THE LATE AFTERNOON, EARLY EVENING.

WE'RE FIRMING UP THE DETAILS OF THAT PUBLIC EVENT THAT WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME TO.

AND MR. MAYOR, COMMISSION, AS FAR AS OTHER UPDATES, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING TO GIVE THEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HOGANS. UH, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO REPORTS AND FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.

YEAH. FIRST OFF, WE MET AT THE MY TWICE OR ONCE MONTHLY BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY.

JUST A PITCH FOR SOME OF YOU PROBABLY BEEN TO THIS THE PARADE OF HOMES WHERE YOU GO AND YOU YOU CHECK IN ON HOMES THROUGHOUT ATLANTIC AND NEPTUNE BEACH THAT'S ON 5TH NOVEMBER.

IT'S A FUNDRAISER FOR THEM.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, GO UP THE WEB PAGE TO ATLANTIC BEACH.

TOWN CENTER AGENCY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.

AND I KNOW LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF WE WE TOOK A SHOT AT AT 16TH STREET OVERPASS TO PAY A FEW OTHER THINGS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO PUTTING YELLOW TAPE ACROSS THAT AS A SAFETY ITEM.

SO WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EITHER SHORT TERM, LONG TERM FIXES THERE, UNLESS WE ARE SAYING, IN

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I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT WE KIND OF USE THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR OTHER THINGS.

SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT VERY WELL COULD COME TO PASS THE YELLOW TAPE ON THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

UM. NOTHING IN PARTICULAR.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RING.

I HAVE NOTHING IN PARTICULAR.

COMMISSIONER WATERS UM, A COUPLE THINGS.

I GOT THE EMAIL FROM MR. JEVIC RECENTLY.

I KNOW THAT ALMOST HOME.

WELL, MY DAD ALMOST WENT IN THERE BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY AND I DROVE BY IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, MR. JEVIC HAS SUPPORTED OUR VETERANS LIKE NO ONE ELSE IN THIS WHOLE TOWN.

AND I JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

THEY HAVE DECIDED TO SELL ALMOST HOME.

UM, THEN I THINK THAT SOME TYPE OF SENIOR VETERAN SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND FIGURE THIS OUT.

AND IF LENNY COULD GIVE US SOME OPTIONS, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.

I REALLY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

UM, IT'S RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE, THE THE VETERANS PARK AND THE AMERICAN LEGION IS PERFECT TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE.

UM, SECONDLY, I WAS AT THE STOP COMMITTEE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT.

UH, VERY INTERESTING.

UM. I HEARD ONE OF THE MEMBERS TALK ABOUT THE STAFF AND HOW THEY HAD HANDLED SOME THINGS WELL, AND I THINK IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN WITH WITH SHANE AND JOE AND KEVIN AND NOW BILL COMING ON TO CITY MANAGER AND THE STAFF HAS RUN RAGGED TRYING TO GET INFORMATION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR STAFF IS SOLID AND YOU KNOW, I, I STAND BY THEM ALWAYS HAVE AND I THINK THEY WERE THE FELLOW WAS NOT VERY ACCURATE.

I KNOW THIS VERY HEATED VERY EMOTIONAL.

BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF.

SO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WATERS.

I HAVE TWO THINGS I'LL DISCUSS.

I'LL PIGGYBACK ON THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BUILDING NEXT TO VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS COMMISSION FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

SO TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THINGS OCCUR TO ME.

ONE IS AND I THINK MR. JEVIC SAID THIS, YOU DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN APPEARS AND IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK AND THE AMERICAN LEGION. IT'S AN INTERESTING BUILDING.

I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 40 YEARS OLD.

I THINK IT IS STUCCO ON FRAME.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED.

BUT IT'S A I THINK IT'S AROUND 4500FT².

IT INTRIGUED ME WHEN LENNY SENT THE THE COMMUNICATION THAT IT COULD BE A DUAL USE BUILDING FOR BOTH VETERANS AND SENIORS.

SO I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION.

I HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION YET, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 350,000 THAT'S EARMARKED FOR EXPANSION OF THE BAKER CENTER FOR SENIOR SERVICES, AND I STILL SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.

HOWEVER, IT IS INTRIGUING TO ME THAT IF WE DIDN'T EXPAND THE BAKER CENTER WITH THE SENIOR SERVICES, BUT INSTEAD RELOCATED THAT NEED TO THIS BUILDING ADJACENT TO VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, WE WOULD NOT BE PUTTING AS MUCH PRESSURE ON PARKING AT THAT SITE.

SO AND OF COURSE, IT ALL DEPENDS UPON ACQUISITION AT A FAIR PRICE AND UNDERSTANDING THE EXPENSES OF REMODELING THE BUILDING AND SO ON.

SO I'M JUST LAYING IT OUT THERE TODAY THAT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT DISCUSSION ON IT AND DOING SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT OPTIONS EXIST. AND THEN FINALLY ON THAT ONE ITEM, I THINK IT CLEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT.

AND I DON'T WANT TO PIGEONHOLE ONE IDEA, BUT IF WE DID GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE STILL HAVE RIGHT NOW, TODAY, IF WE PASS THIS BUDGET, WE WILL STILL HAVE TWO POINT I WANT TO SAY 2.6 MILLION OF EXCESS RESERVES OVER AND BEYOND THE MINIMUM FLOOR OF 25%. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 2.5 MILLION.

OKAY. SO DIRECTIONALLY, I'M CLOSE.

SO THOSE ARE MONIES THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT.

AND I AND I'M VERY, VERY KEEN ON WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR FORMER MAYOR EARLIER.

IT IS WE DO HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

AND THINGS ARE EVOLVING AND CHANGING.

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, I AM IN TUNE WITH THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND WHAT WE ARE SPENDING ON.

AND I'M NOT HERE TO APPROVE ANYTHING THAT I THINK PUTS US IN PERIL.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS ON THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THE OTHER ONE IS I WANT TO ANNOUNCE TODAY THAT OUR COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR THE STOP COMMITTEE IS KEN CAUDLE.

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AND I FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. CAUDLE. YOU'RE IN THE ROOM, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE TO THIS POINT.

BUT I HAVE ACCEPTED HIS RESIGNATION AND HE'S OFFERED TO MAKE THAT RESIGNATION EFFECTIVE AT AT MY DISCRETION.

SO I'M NOT ACCEPTING IT TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS OF GETTING INTO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM THIS BODY THAT WE ALLOW THE COMMITTEE TO REPLACE THE CHAIR FROM WITHIN.

ORIGINALLY, THE CHAIR WAS CHOSEN BY THE MAYOR.

THAT'S ME. BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO INVOLVE ME IN THE PROCESS AND I'M PERSONALLY NOT KEEN ON GOING OUT AND AND FINDING SOMEBODY ELSE TO JOIN THE COMMITTEE.

SO I REALLY THINK WE'VE GOT VERY GOOD COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I THINK WE LET THE COMMITTEE MAKE THEIR OWN SELECTION BY NOMINATION AND SECONDING AND A VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT FOR THAT PURPOSE, I WOULD ASK THAT MR. CAUDLE CONTINUE IN THE CAPACITY OF CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE UNTIL THE OPENING OF THAT MEETING IN THE TRANSITION BY VOTE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS ON THAT? I'VE TALKED TO ONE RESIDENT ABOUT HAVING ONE OF US BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

AND I HAVE HEARD THAT AS WELL.

ANY ONE OF YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

I'M NOT HERE TO OPPOSE IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT NINE PEOPLE.

AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THE MORE PEOPLE WE ADD, THE MORE WE HAVE TO ALLOW TIME FOR COMMENT AND SO ON.

SO IT DOES STACK UP.

UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING IF YOU HAVE A PASSION ABOUT THAT, YOU COULD CERTAINLY VOICE THAT.

BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER ACTION WE TAKE ON THEIR NEXT MEETING, WE WOULD NEED A REVISED RESOLUTION PROVIDED BY COUNCIL AT OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN ACT ON THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS THAT THE MAYOR WILL APPOINT THAT THAT PERSON TO CHAIR THE COMMITTEE.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ME DOING THAT.

I'M FOR LETTING THEM VOTE INTERNALLY AND PICKING ONE.

SECOND. YOU DON'T NEED A SECOND.

WE CAN JUST DO CONSENSUS ON THIS, IF THAT'S OKAY.

YES, I THINK THEY'VE MET LONG ENOUGH AND GOTTEN TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME CONSENSUS WITHIN THAT COMMITTEE ITSELF TO APPOINT THE NEXT CHAIR.

SO. COMMISSIONER MEAN HAVE A INTEREST IN THE STOCK COMMITTEE AND BUT I WAS ALSO IMPRESSED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE THERE AND. I THINK, HONESTLY, IF I TAKE ON ONE MORE THING, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WELL.

SO I'M I'M FINE.

THERE WERE SEVERAL VERY INTELLIGENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE THERE, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL PICK THE RIGHT PERSON.

BUT. WELL, THANK YOU. SO, CITY MANAGER, IF YOU'LL WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND LET'S PRODUCE THE APPROPRIATE AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION. OKAY.

SO THAT'LL BE ON NEXT AGENDA.

I DO WANT TO ONCE AGAIN SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT KEN CAUDLE.

SO KEN CAUDLE WAS MY CHOICE TO ORIGINALLY CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE.

KEN IS SUCH A VALUABLE MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE.

HIS HIS ATTENTION TO DETAIL, HIS STUDY OF ALL OF THE ISSUES.

AND HE AND I BOTH AGREE THAT HE WILL CONTINUE AS A VERY VALUED MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE.

SO THIS IS IN NO WAY A NEGATIVE REFLECTION ON KEN.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THE CHAIRMANSHIP WHILE KEN DOES WHAT HE DOES BEST.

AND THAT IS SO MUCH OF THE DATA AND PLANNING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEN CAUDLE.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE OFF.

OH, WAIT. WE DIDN'T GO TO YOU, MR. HOGAN. OH, NO.

THIS IS JUST US. EXCUSE ME.

SO WE ARE FINISHED WITH ITEM FOUR, AND WE'LL MOVE PAST ITEM FIVE.

THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS PAST ITEM SIX AND ALL THE WAY TO ITEM 88A SPECIFICALLY, AND THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 23, DASH

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 23-40]

BUDGET ACCOUNT NUMBER 0011011516 60 502 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE

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THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.

THAT'S FOR THE YEAR ABOUT TO END.

IF YOU ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS I'M UNABLE TO ANSWER, MR. BAUTISTA CAN COME UP AND AND ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.

TRANSITIONING TO OFFICE 365 SAVES MONEY.

IT ENHANCES OUR PRODUCTIVITY AND COLLABORATION INCREASES SECURITY.

PROBABLY FOREMOST, FUNDING FOR EMAIL, TECHNOLOGY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOFTWARE IS BUDGETED ANNUALLY, AND THIS PROJECT IS ADEQUATELY FUNDED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT'S COME UP, THIS RESOLUTION AND STAFF REPORT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER WRITTEN IF IF IT WOULD HAVE SAID PURCHASE UP TO 150 LICENSES.

WE INDEED DO HAVE ABOUT 130 EMPLOYEES WITH EMAIL ADDRESSES.

WE HAVE ADDITIONAL EMAIL ALIASES.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, ELECTED OFFICIALS AT US IS ONE OF THEM.

AND WE HAVE TREES AT CARBUZZ US.

WE HAVE STOPPED COMMITTEE WITH AN EMAIL ADDRESS.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SPENDING FOR LICENSES THAT WE THAT WE DON'T USE.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. HOGENCAMP. UH, IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD BRING RON UP FOR A QUICK CONVERSATION? CERTAINLY. RON.

RON, COME ON UP.

AND I'LL LEAD THIS OFF IF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

THERE'S NO DOUBT WE NEED THIS.

I BELIEVE WE NEED THIS SOFTWARE.

AND SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHO ADMINISTERS THE THE DELIVERANCE OF THE SOFTWARE AND THE USAGE? IS THAT YOU? YES.

OKAY. SO YOU WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. HOGENCAMP STATED ABOUT WE REALLY WILL ONLY PAY FOR THE ACTUAL USAGE, BUT THERE'S, I GUESS SOME SOME ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES OR THE LOSS OF AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WHEN WE LOSE AN EMPLOYEE, SOMETIMES WE'RE STILL PAYING ON THEM FOR A TIME PERIOD TO 90 DAYS.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE NEW EMPLOYEES, SO WE DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME OVERLAP.

SO SO TWO QUESTIONS FROM ME IS, ARE YOU ABLE TO ASSURE THE COMMISSION THAT YOU WILL HOLD THE LINE AND NOT NOT WASTE ONE PERSON OR ONE USAGE? AND THEN ARE THERE PEOPLE IS THE WAY WE'RE BILLED, IS ANYBODY WITH AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE CITY OR ITS PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY TOUCH THE SOFTWARE IS PER USER PER EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE CITY? YES. OKAY. BUT THAT THAT STILL CONFUSES ME.

PER USER SAYS THAT I'M ACTUALLY USING THE SOFTWARE.

NO IS AS SOON AS WE CREATE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS GOING TO BE A USER.

SO, SO THE WAY THEY BILL IS THEY LOOK AT ALL EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT ARE TIED TO THE CITY, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE, MR. HOGENCAMP EXPLAINED.

THIS INCLUDES OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

IF THEY HAVE A IF THEY HAVE A CITY EMAIL.

NO, SIR, I'M SORRY. I MUST NOT HAVE SAID THAT CORRECTLY.

OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE A CITY EMAIL.

OKAY. HOW ABOUT ANYBODY ON THE CDB? NO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, BUT MANY OF THE COMMITTEES.

AND AND THERE ARE OTHER REASONS TO HAVE ALIAS EMAIL ADDRESSES, BUT THERE ARE NO CITIZENS.

THERE ARE ONLY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE EMAIL ADDRESSES.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'VE ALL OPERATED ON 2013 MICROSOFT FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.

THAT'S REALLY SAD.

I MEAN, EVEN EVEN THE SCHOOLS HAVE UPGRADED, I THINK, 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO.

SO I THINK THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.

I GET FRUSTRATED USING OUR OUTLOOK.

IT'S INCREDIBLY ARCHAIC.

WE NEED WE NEED THE NEW VERSION.

OKAY, MR. BATISTE, THANK YOU.

AND WE'LL TRUST IN YOUR OVERSIGHT OF THAT EXPENDITURE.

SO. PARDON? NO PRESSURE. NO PRESSURE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? I ADOPT A RECOMMEND.

WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 23.

DASH 40 AS STATED.

A SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WATERS.

A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU. AND SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

OPPOSED. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLE.

I'M A LITTLE SLOW TONIGHT. OKAY.

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 23-43]

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AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY, TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. HOGENCAMP.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS PART OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS AT THIS POINT.

AND EVERY YEAR WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO AUTHORIZE OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. THIS PARTICULAR DECISION REPRESENTS A 33% INCREASE IN PREMIUMS FROM LAST YEAR.

THIS IS A RESULT LARGELY OF NOT JUST INFLATION, BUT INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES IN APPRAISAL THAT WE DID THIS YEAR ON ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS AND EQUIPMENT AND OVERALL TIGHTENING OF THE MARKET.

THIS ALSO REPRESENTS A 17% INCREASE IN WHAT WAS INITIALLY BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR'S PREMIUM, EXCLUDING FLOOD INSURANCE PREMIUMS. AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE KEPT YOU APPRIZED ON THROUGHOUT THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IF I'M CAPABLE.

QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO JASON ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE MONEYMAKING ENTERPRISES THAT USE OUR PROPERTY.

RIGHT. YOU CAN TAKE A WHOLE HOST OF THOSE.

I DON'T THINK WE CHARGE THEM ANYTHING.

CORRECT. I'M FRANKLY, I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE THAT THE THE CHARGES ARE THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS FUNDS FOR INSURANCE.

SO YOU'LL SEE A LINE ITEM FOR INSURANCE.

SO IF I WAS A ORGANIZATION OH, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT PAYING ANYTHING FOR LIABILITY.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

YOU CORRECT. OR I'M RUNNING A DAYCARE OR SOMETHING ON CITY.

YES. SHOULD THEY HAVE A LIABILITY ISSUE? RIGHT. WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT.

CORRECT? SO I PROBABLY DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ON THIS AS MUCH AS I SHOULD HAVE.

SO IN MY OPINION, IF YOU'RE MAKING A PROFIT ON CITY PROPERTY, YOU SHOULD CHIP IN TO YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE.

THAT ACTUALLY COVERS THE PEOPLE DOING THAT ACTIVITY.

CORRECT. SO I KNOW OTHER CITIES DO IT, MANY OTHER DO, AND MANY THAT I'VE BEEN IN DO AND MANY DON'T.

AND THAT'S A POLICY DECISION WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT MEAN WITH THESE INCREASES IN RATES THAT MIGHT HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE ISSUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

SO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THIS, BUT I'M TRYING TO SAY THERE IS ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE POSSIBLY IF WE AGREE TO USE TO COVER SOME OF THIS.

THANK YOU. MEAN LIKE THE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD.

THAT'S A THAT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A BIG ONE.

IT COULD.

COMMISSIONER KELLY UM, ALSO I THINK PART OF IT PART OF YOUR FEES YOU PAY FOR LIKE A GRADE TO RENT IS WOULD SOME OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

BUT. NO, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER, RING TO COMMISSIONER BOLE.

THIS QUESTION.

HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT SMALL BUSINESSES? IN EVERY WAY.

I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE I KNOW.

AND ACTING CITY MANAGER KNOWS THERE ARE ENTERPRISES THAT COUNT ON CITY PROPERTY TO DO THEIR JOB.

YOU COULD DO IT PER PERSON.

WE COULD LOOK INTO HOW OTHER CITIES DO IT, BUT WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR LIABILITY.

WHETHER YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS, A LARGE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

YOU KNOW, A WOMAN OWNED SMALL BUSINESS, ALL THE EIGHT CATEGORIES THAT ARE THAT ARE SMALL BUSINESSES.

I JUST THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM YOU MENTIONED DAYCARE TO TUTORING IN THEIR HOMES, YOU KNOW, MUSIC LESSONS I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IN A CITY PARK.

OH, OKAY. AND THEN I ALSO WONDER HOW THAT AFFECTS ARC THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR RECREATION FACILITIES THAT DO PROVIDE A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAMS. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I'M TALKING ABOUT NON CITY SPONSORED ACTIVITIES.

I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE CITY SPONSORED.

AND WOULDN'T YOU DELINEATE THE FOR PROFITS VERSUS THE NON PROFITS.

YEAH BUT BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THE DISCUSSION LATER THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY DIG INTO THE WEEDS AND BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND WE COULD SIT HERE FOR A LONG TIME. I'M JUST SAYING THAT MIGHT BE A REVENUE SOURCE THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THAT PEOPLE THAT USE OUR FACILITIES SHOULD PAY AT LEAST THE LIABILITY INSURANCE BECAUSE THE FIRST KID THAT CRACKS HIS HEAD OVER AT THE SPLASH PAD, THEY'RE GOING TO COME LOOKING FOR LIABILITY.

I MEAN, I I'D TELL JASON, ANY COMMENT ON THIS? AM I OFF BASE, OFF THE PAGE OR.

ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. NO, YOU'RE NOT OFF THE PAGE OR THE ROCKER.

YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THERE.

THERE IS. AND THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.

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BUT WHETHER IT'S AND IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE ENTERPRISE AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WHETHER IT'S IN THE LEASE ITSELF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RENT THAT ACCOMMODATES THE INSURANCE PART OF IT, THERE'S THAT.

I THINK YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THINGS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A USER FEE, AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, AND AND THE RULE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL NEXUS BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING, WHO YOU'RE CHARGING AND WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR.

AND THAT COULD BE KIND OF CREATED INTO A USER FEE OF SORTS DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A SCALE OR A SPECTRUM OF WHAT TRADE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT FACILITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHO'S USING IT, NON PROFIT PROFIT.

SO THERE'S A WAY TO, I THINK, CREATE THIS THIS PROGRAM.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT AND HAVE SOME MORE DIALOG ON IT.

BUT THAT THAT IS A GOOD POINT THAT I THINK IS DESERVING OF OF A POLICY HERE.

YES. YES.

MR. HOGAN, I THINK THAT THE THE MATTER OF THE SPLASH PAD IS SORT OF BIFURCATED FROM YOUR MAIN POINT ABOUT NON SPONSORED ACTIVITIES, THE SPLASH PAD ITSELF, WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES ONLINE, WE WILL ADD IT TO OUR PORTFOLIO OF ASSETS.

AND OF COURSE, IT WILL BE SCRUTINIZED BY OUR INSURANCE CARRIER AS TO WHETHER WE'LL ADD IT TO OUR PORTFOLIO AND WHETHER THAT IMPACTS OUR OUR PREMIUM WILL WE'LL LEARN DOWN THE ROAD. THANKS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE OR A MOTION? I WOULD ASK, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS BODY THAT YOU TAKE THAT TO OUR INCOMING CITY MANAGER, BILL KILLINGSWORTH, WHO STARTS TOMORROW AND ACTUALLY TEE THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION.

HAVE IT? I THOUGHT YOU DID.

THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2343.

SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

AYE. OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS ITEM EIGHT C RESOLUTION NUMBER 23, DASH 44, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ADOPTING THE 20

[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 23-44]

SAYS 20, 24.

20. 33.

OH, I'M SORRY. IT IS THE TEN YEAR PLAN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M LOOKING AT A BIG RANGE THERE.

TEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, EXHIBIT A FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. HOGENCAMP.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

REGARDING CIPS, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING GOOD AT OUR CAPITAL PLANNING UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF STEVE SWANN, OUR CITY ENGINEER, BY PROVIDING WORKING BLUEPRINTS OF FOR SUSTAINING AND IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITY'S INFRASTRUCTURES. THIS IS A NEW FOR US CRITICAL FUNCTION OF WHAT WE DO.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR BUDGETING PROCESS.

WHEN YOU APPROVE THE CIPS TONIGHT, YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS.

YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THAT AND YOUR SEPARATE ACTION TONIGHT AND YOUR BUDGET.

AT ANY POINT, THIS COMMISSION CAN A LA CARTE OR REMOVE ITEMS AND ADD ITEMS TO THE CIP.

THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THAT THAT THAT YOU TAKE THIS ACTION.

SOME OF OUR GRANT REQUESTS REQUIRE THAT WE'RE DOING SOME LONG TERM PLANNING VERSUS SEEING AN OPPORTUNITY AND SAY, OH, WE'LL JUMP ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WILLY NILLY VERSUS, OH, THE CITY INDEED HAS THIS ALREADY IN THEIR CIP.

SO THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN OUR GRANT APPLICATIONS AS WELL.

THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS FOR PLANNING PURPOSES FOR YOU TO ADOPT SIPS.

IT HELPS OUR PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC UTILITIES, PLANNING, RECREATION AND PARKS AND FINANCE FUNCTIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. HOGENCAMP. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2344.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO I'LL I'LL I'LL COMMENT BECAUSE I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE CITIZENS TODAY THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD RECONSIDER AND AMEND IT AND THEN APPROVE IT.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DEEPER DIALOG ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT IN ADVANCE OF THE APPROPRIATE YEARS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY FUNDING THEM BECAUSE SOME THINGS ARE NINE AND TEN YEARS OUT ON THIS PLAN.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON THAT TOO SOON.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH MR. HOGAN HOGENCAMP THAT HAVING THIS TEMPLATE AND REVISING IT ANNUALLY AND HAVING IT AVAILABLE, IT MATTERS WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT OUR GRANT

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BUT DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? WE DO AND WE'VE SECONDED IT.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

I OPPOSED.

IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 23-41, Public Hearing on Adoption of Resolution No. 23-41 for the Millage Rate]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 23 DASH 41 FOR THE MILLAGE RATE.

UH, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, LEVYING, LEVYING THE AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX MILLAGE RATE FOR MUNICIPAL PURPOSES ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, STATING THE PERCENTAGE BY WHICH THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED EXCEEDS THE ROLLBACK RATE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY REPORT FROM YOU, MR. HOGENCAMP? SURE.

THANKS, BRITTANY.

DID I INTRODUCE YOU EARLIER WHEN I WAS MAKING THE INTRODUCTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. BRITTANY PURCELL, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, IS HERE.

MY GLASSES HAVE TO GO ON AND OFF AND STRUGGLE LOOKING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

UM, SO.

I GUESS TO SUMMARIZE BOTH THE YOUR APPROVAL OF THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE BUDGET, WE WE'RE AT YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 13TH.

YOU PRELIMINARILY AGREED TO ROLL BACK THE TAX RATE, MEANING THAT YOU INTEND TO COLLECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR THAT BEGINS OCTOBER 1ST, AS WE WILL IN THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT'S ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH.

YOUR VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS AND MAINTAINING THE SAME AD VALOREM TAX RATE WOULD WOULD HAVE GENERATED $673 ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

I JUST THINK THAT'S WORTH STATING.

THE TAX RATE AND THE CITY'S BUDGET ARE SLATED FOR FINAL APPROVAL TONIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS THAT BEGINS IN MAY WITH THE STAFF AND BEGINS IN JULY.

AS FAR AS STAFFS MEETINGS WITH YOU AND OUR AND OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THE FISCAL YEAR, THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR TAX RATE IS 3.1035 MILLS.

YOUR PROPOSED NEW TAX RATE IS 2.8410 MILLS, WHICH MEANS $2.84 PER 1000 OF ASSESSED TAXABLE VALUE. ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET CONTINUES.

THIS ORGANIZATION'S RECENT TREND OF MAKING A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN WATER AND SEWER AND STORMWATER.

THIS IS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN, AS WELL AS INCREASE OUR CAPACITIES TO PROVIDE DRINKING WATER AND SANITARY SEWER AS WELL AS MITIGATE FLOODING ISSUES. A LARGE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS BUDGETED IN 2223 ARE NOT BEING FUNDED.

AND FRANKLY, THAT'S QUITE CUSTOMARY IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AND SO THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET.

AND A COUPLE OTHER HIGHLIGHTS.

A TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET AMOUNT IS $59.1 MILLION.

AND AND TO ACCESS THE BUDGET ONLINE, THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS AT ANY TIME THE LATEST VERSION OF IT AT W-W-W DOT COAB.US/FY 24 BUDGET AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

AND MISS PURCELL IS HERE TO DO THE SAME.

KEVIN, GOT A QUESTION? YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF AD HOC WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS I'M THE SQUEAKY WHEEL ON THE 16TH STREET WALK OVER.

AT THE ADDED DUNE WALKOVER.

GUESS WAS ON YOUR SLIDE 5 OR 6, YOU SAY 22 222,180 CAPITAL FUND.

RIGHT. AND WE REMOVED THE 16TH STREET.

DO ANY OF THOSE REPAIRS AND THEY IN THE WALKOVER MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS GO TOWARDS 16TH STREET.

MR. MAYOR OR THROUGH THE MAYOR.

IT'S HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO SPEND IT THROUGH THE YEAR.

WE WILL COME TO YOU BEFORE WE BUILD ANY NEW WALKOVERS BEFORE WE REPAIR.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S A FUND FOR REPAIR AND OR CONSTRUCTION OF WALKOVERS.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK OVER, WE TOOK OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND, THE REMOVAL OF THE 16TH STREET, AND WE ADDED THE 200,000 SO THAT 200,000 COULD GO TO FURTHER MAINTENANCE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT TO HELP THAT PROBLEM.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, INDEED, THAT'S THE CASE.

AND AND WE EXPECT STILL ANY DAY NOW, ENGINEERS REPORT THEY'LL GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM USE OF THAT WALKOVER.

RIGHT. AND IF I MAY JUST COMMENT ON THAT AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE REPETITIVE, BUT I, I FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO SAY, MR.

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AND I'M ANXIOUS FOR THAT ENGINEERING REPORT.

I HAD HOPED WE WOULD HAVE IT BY TODAY.

IN FACT, I, I WENT TO CITY HALL THIS MORNING.

DO WE HAVE THAT REPORT? BECAUSE THAT WILL INFORM OUR NEXT STEPS.

BUT PART OF MY THINKING ON THIS WAS WITH OR WITHOUT THAT PORT REPORT, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THIS WOULD BE ACTIONABLE IN THE BUDGET YEAR.

AND IF IT IS ACTIONABLE, IT WOULD BE LATE IN THE BUDGET YEAR.

SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE REPORT, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO THIS BODY AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO, WHETHER IT'S BAND-AIDS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

I, FOR ONE, WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF IF WE DIDN'T STRUCTURALLY NEED TO REPLACE IT, BUT COULD DO BAND-AIDS FOR ANOTHER FEW YEARS AND BUY TIME ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S DIDN'T WE DECIDE TO WAIT FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS AND SEE WHAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED OR NOT? THE NEGOTIATIONS ON WHAT WITH THE LANDOWNERS FOR ACCESS? OH, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF IT.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY PART OF IT.

AND AND TO THAT END, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE CITY MANAGER TOMORROW, BUT IF YOU WOULD AFFECT THAT WITH MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND AND SAY THAT IS A PRIORITY TO GET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND MOVE THAT AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FINAL DECISION BECAUSE A FAILING THEREBY IN WE ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES THEN ONE IS TO PAY A LOT MORE THAN 600,000 TO DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S NOT RIGHT OF WAY. I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S ACTUALLY A FIVE FOOT WIDE STRIP OF LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

IMAGINE TRYING TO REBUILD THAT IN A FIVE FOOT WIDE STRIP WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SO THAT'S ONE OPTION IF THAT OCCURRED.

AND THE OTHER OPTION IS TO CLOSE IT DOWN FOREVER AND ELIMINATE THAT ACCESS.

SO THOSE ANSWERS AND THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE COMING FORWARD ONCE WE HAVE MORE.

I'D LIKE THE CITY ENGINEER IN HERE BECAUSE THERE THERE ARE OTHER ENGINEERING ISSUES BESIDES MY LIMITED ENGINEERING KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

SO YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM WEIGH IN ON THAT.

LET'S SEE WHERE WE AT HERE.

YEAH, I'M SORRY. WE ARE NOW READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

SO THE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS HEREBY OPENED.

AND I'LL FIRST OF ALL, STATE OUR TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE IS 2.8410.

THE ROLLBACK RATE IS ALSO 2.8410.

THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE IS 0% MORE THAN THE ROLLBACK RATE AND IS NOT AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES PER SECTION 200 .065. SUBPARAGRAPH TWO C OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

THE PURPOSE FOR ADOPTING THE MILLAGE RATE OF 2.8410 IS TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICES AT ANTICIPATED AND PROPOSED COSTS, AND TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? EXCUSE ME. HELLO AGAIN.

JUST TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS INSURANCE RISK THING, SINCE I'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES HERE, HAVE ANY OF YOU ALL HAD ANY CONTRACTORS COME ON YOUR HOME PROPERTIES RECENTLY, DO A NEW ROOF, NEW HOME ADDITION OR SOMETHING? THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE YOU THEIR OWN LIABILITY INSURANCE CALLED A BUILDER'S RISK INSURANCE THAT THEIR INSURANCE AGENT PROVIDES.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IS EVERY TIME A FOOD TRUCK OR A PRIVATE COMES ON TO THE PLACE HERE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR LIABILITY RISK INSURANCE AND THE CITY SHOULD HAVE THAT ON FILE. SO IF SOMETHING IF THEIR PROPANE TANK BLOWS UP AND, GOD FORBID, INJURES SOMEONE, SHOULD THE CITY BE PAYING FOR THAT OR THAT FOOD TRUCK VENDOR WITH HIS LIABILITY INSURANCE? SAME THING GOES WITH ALL THE PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT UTILIZE THE GRADE CENTER FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT KUNG FU CLASSES OR TAI CHI OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND YOU GOT SOME OF THESE OLD PEOPLE, SOME OF US OLD PEOPLE THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BREAK AN ANKLE OR THROW OUT OR BLOW AN ACL.

HAVE THEY PROVIDED THEIR LIABILITY INSURANCE OR THEIR WAIVERS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONDUCTING THOSE THAT ARE IN THOSE CLASSES? SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THAT WOULD NOT BE A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE CITY, BUT IT WOULD REDUCE THE CITY'S EXPOSURE TO LIABILITY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE OUGHT TO BE COVERING. SO THAT'S MY LITTLE PLOY ON INSURANCE.

SO OKAY, SO BACK TO THE MILLAGE RATE, WHICH IS RESOLUTION IS ALL ABOUT I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

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$2.4 MILLION HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR'S TOTAL REVENUES.

SO YOU REDUCING THE MILLAGE RATE ONLY THE AVALORAN PORTION PORTION BY ROUGHLY AN EIGHTH AND THEN ANOTHER EIGHTH AND THEN A 100TH.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU'RE REDUCING IT BY BY AN EIGHTH TWO TIMES.

OKAY. BUT THE OVERALL OTHER REVENUES ARE INCREASING BY $2.4 MILLION LAST YEAR.

THE TOTAL REVENUES WERE $4 MILLION LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, AND Y'ALL STILL CUT THE BUDGET BY AN EIGHTH LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WERE LESS REVENUES LAST YEAR THAN THE THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO CUT BY AN EIGHTH.

SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS OUTSTANDING WORK BY CUTTING IT BY WE'LL CALL IT 2/8 UTILIZING THE ROLLBACK RATE.

GOSH, AM I TALKING AROUND IN CIRCLES? EVERYBODY OKAY? EVERYBODY'S WITH ME.

I HOPE SO.

SO ANYWAY, SO ONCE AGAIN, THE REASON THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE EXPLOSION IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE TRIM.

NOTICE THAT YOU GOT THE SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST.

THAT SHOWS WHAT DUVAL COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER IS NOW APPRAISING YOUR PROPERTY AT VERSUS LAST YEAR.

AND THAT ALLOWS US TO UTILIZE A MUCH LOWER RATE BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST A MUCH HIGHER VALUE.

JAX BEACH THEY HAVE A VALUE THAT'S LESS THAN OURS, SO THEY HAVE TO USE A HIGHER RATE.

NEPTUNE BEACH LORD ONLY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, SO BUT THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS INTO THIS MILLAGE RATE.

IT'S NOT A REDUCTION.

IT'S JUST A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

YOU KEEPING IT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR? ACTUALLY, TECHNICALLY, IT'S INCREASING BY $61,013, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS.

NEW CONSTRUCTION, OTHER RENOVATIONS, OTHER THINGS.

NOT, UM, NOT RAISING OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

YOU'RE NOT RAISING IT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT YOU'RE ALSO NOT CUTTING IT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN ABSOLUTELY AWESOME ASPECT OF UTILIZING THE ROLLBACK RATE.

I WENT BACK ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, LOOKED BACK 25 YEARS.

IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THEY'VE DROPPED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES BY AN EIGHTH.

NO, THEY DROPPED IT ONE TIME BY AN EIGHTH LAST YEAR AND A COUPLE OF OTHER TIMES THEY DROPPED IT BY 0.1000.

SO EVEN LAST YEAR WAS BETTER THAN ANY PREVIOUS YEAR, AND THIS YEAR IS EVEN BETTER THAN LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S OUTSTANDING.

AND I APPLAUD YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. HAROLD.

THAT'S ALL THE SLIPS I HAVE, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ALBERT KERBER.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

NICE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT.

I'M URGING YOU TO ADOPT THE ROLLBACK MILLAGE RATE FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

DITTO WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS SAID.

I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH LABOR RIGHT NOW.

YOU ALL, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE USING IN THE ROLLBACK RATE THAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO ADOPT.

YOU'RE STILL PUTTING IN A RAISE FOR ONE OF YOUR BARGAINING UNITS.

IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THEY WANT, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING IS SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT.

IF IT WENT TO ARBITRATION, IT COULD BE TAKEN OUT OF RESERVE FUNDS.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY REALIZES WHAT INFLATION IS DOING TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

WE'RE SEEING PRICES INCREASES.

EVERYBODY'S HAVING TO ABSORB THAT.

I FEEL BAD FOR THE GUYS IN LABOR.

THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AS WELL.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HAMMERED HOME AND WITH SO MANY ECONOMISTS THAT I'VE SEEN ON TV, BECAUSE I DO RECORD THE STOCK CHANNELS FOR OTHER REASONS. UM, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS IF WE'RE TEETERING ON INFLATION, IS RAISE TAXES.

AND THAT'S EVERYBODY'S GUESS.

WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING INTO RECESSION AS A RESULT OF THE INFLATION.

AND I MISSPOKE THERE.

IT'S ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION, IF WE GO INTO A RECESSION, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING UP ON TAXES.

THAT'S A BIG TABOO.

PEOPLE ARE ON FIXED INCOMES.

YOU'VE HEARD LAST MEETING MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOMES DISCUSS THIS.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH WITH THE COST OF FOOD.

UM. I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE WHAT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WERE SAID, BUT THE ROLLBACK RATE IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE, AS WAS POINTED OUT PRIOR, SPEAKER, WE STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL MONEY COMING IN.

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PROBABLY THAT'S ALL THAT I NEED TO COVER BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS COVERED PRIOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KERBER. DONNA.

HAVE NO OTHERS.

ANY ONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK.

OKAY. HEARING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE TO DO.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-41.

I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN JACKSONVILLE CITY GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW THAT ARE VERY AWARE OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

AND ONE OF THEM I'VE SPOKEN TO WANTS TO GO ON THE VANGUARD FOR US.

THIS COULD MORE THAN MAKE UP.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS AS MAYOR GLASSER, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING EVEN.

BUT THIS IS A PRIME TIME FOR US TO GO AND MOVE FORWARD AND ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE OTHER BEACHES, CITIES, AND COULD MORE THAN MAKE UP OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE 18.5 CENTS THAT WE SEE BACK. I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT IN THERE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THIS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2341.

SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. THIS IS A ROLL CALL.

VOTE, VOTE. DONNA, WILL YOU LEAD THAT? CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS UNANIMOUS AND WILL MOVE DIRECTLY TO ITEM NINE A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-23-168, PUBLIC HEARING

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-23-168, Public Hearing and Final Reading on adoption of Ordinance No. 20-23-168, establishing the Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2023/2024]

SO LET ME BACK UP.

WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PREVIOUS ACTION AND NOW WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM NINE A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-23-168 PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING ON ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 368, ESTABLISHING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND 24.

AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE FINAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024.

AND SO NOW I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY SUMMARY OF THE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE THAT I PROVIDED EARLIER STANDS.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

OR I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT MS..

PURCELL AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

OKAY, THEN.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS? OKAY, GO AHEAD.

BRINKLEY. HARRELL HE DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK.

ALBERT KERBER.

OKAY. NEITHER ONE WISH TO SPEAK.

AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSION.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE THE BLUE COLLAR RATE NEXT MONDAY.

CORRECT. WHAT EFFECT AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE FACTORED THIS IN.

THE BUDGET WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A 4% INCREASE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

SO IF WE DID SOMETHING THAT WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT THE BUDGET AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PRO OR CON, CORRECT? INDEED WOULD. THANK YOU.

UH, BEFORE WE GO ON, I NEED A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023, DASH 168.

I MOVED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20.

23, DASH 168.

SECOND. PARDON ME, MAYOR.

COULD YOU ELABORATE WITH THE REST OF THAT? UM, OKAY.

I'VE ALREADY READ IT.

SO, UM.

OKAY. RECOMMENDED MOTION ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 3-1 68 ESTABLISHING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 2324 OF 59,146. THOUSAND WEIGHT.

$59,146,295. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WITH COMMISSIONER BOWLES.

QUESTION IT SPARKED ANOTHER QUESTION WITH THAT.

I KNOW, MR..

HOGENCAMP, YOU SAID THAT THIS IS STILL A LIVING DOCUMENT WHEN IT CAME TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE PLANS NEEDED TO BE ON THE BOOKS IN ORDER TO RECEIVE CERTAIN GRANT FUNDS.

UM, AND I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT PURCHASE OF LAND ALMOST HOME.

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I CAN ELABORATE, BUT THAT, IN SHORT, ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

WELL, I THINK ESSENTIALLY THAT IS IN THE BUDGET.

I'M ALMOST HOME. THAT'S WHAT SHE'S THINKING.

OH. OH, I'M SORRY.

EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

YEAH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

SO IF WE SO CHOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY MAKE AN AMENDMENT OR AGREE TO DO THAT AT SUCH TIME THAT WE'RE REVISITING THE BUDGET FOR THE OCCASIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT ARE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THIS? I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO BACK UP.

LET'S. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT.

DONNA.

THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-23-169, OUBLIC HEARING.

[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 20-23-169, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

SO BACKING UP TO NINE A I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED.

OKAY. ITEM NINE B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-23-169, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2022, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023, FOR APPROPRIATING FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT COUNTYWIDE, JACK OR JAGC FOR A CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COMMUNITY SECURITY PROJECT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. HOGENCAMP.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THIS IS A MATTER THAT WE GAVE A SUMMARY OF AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I HAVE WORD THAT A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF WITH YOUR BLESSING. I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO COME UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THE EVENING. CHIEF GUALILLO, MIAMI BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HOW MAY I HELP YOU? WELL, USUALLY A JUSTICE GRANT IS FOR RADIOS AND AND AND CELL PHONES AND THINGS.

RIGHT. SO IT CAN BE FOR IT CAN BE FOR EQUIPMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE USED IT FOR IN THE PAST.

SO WHY IS IT HOW IS THIS ONE DIFFERENT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAINING THIS YEAR FOR THIS.

WELL, THE UPCOMING YEAR.

SO WE WANT TO TRY AND INCREASE THE KNOWLEDGE OF NOT JUST OUR OFFICERS, BUT ALL THE OFFICERS IN THE AREA.

THAT WILL BE, FIRST OFF, OFFERED TO THE BEACHES ENTITIES.

NEPTUNE BEACH, JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND OF COURSE, JSO FROM THIS ZONE, WHICH WE SHARE SOME JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES WITH, THAT IN THE EVENT OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT WHERE AN ACTIVE ASSAILANT WERE AT THE SCHOOL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR OFFICER OFFICERS ARE TRAINED BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ENTITIES THAT ARE COMING TO HELP US WHEN WE PUT OUT A CALL FOR ASSISTANCE, LET'S SAY AT THE SCHOOL, IT'S A THE ACTIVE SHOOTER INCIDENT MANAGEMENT IS SORT OF THE NATIONAL MODEL THAT ALL AGENCIES ARE MOVING TOWARDS, SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE AGENCIES ARRIVING ON THE SCENE, WE ALL SPEAK A COMMON LANGUAGE.

WE ALL EXPECT WHAT WE KNOW THE OTHER OFFICERS ARE GOING TO DO.

THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF INSTANCES LATELY WHERE MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS HAVE ARRIVED ON A SCENE AND IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN EASY TO INTEGRATE THOSE OFFICERS.

SO WE'RE STRIVING TO MAKE SURE THAT GAP IS CLOSED.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS TRAINING, IF WE CAN GET IT HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, WE WANT TO SPONSOR ONE OF THOSE TRAININGS.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.

IT'S A IT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE COURSE TO BRING IN, BUT THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF PUTTING THIS TRAINING ON.

SO WE'D LIKE TO TRY AND USE THAT GRANT MONEY FOR THAT THIS YEAR.

WE'LL INVITE THE NAVY GUYS TO.

ABSOLUTELY. IF WE HAVE MUTUAL AID WITH THEM, WE WILL.

CHIEF, IS THIS TRAINING SOLELY FUNDED WITH A GRANT OR DID WE MATCH OR HOW THIS WOULD BE ALL GRANT FUNDED? THERE MAY BE A SMALL AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHIP IN DEPENDING ON THE TOTAL COST OF THAT, BUT WE INTEND TO USE ALL OF THAT 56,000 AND CHANGE FOR THE GRANT.

THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY. WE'LL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

RIGHT. FORGOTTEN WE HAVE NOW FOR.

OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL OBSERVING A FIVE MINUTE TIME FRAME FOR ANY SPEAKERS.

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ALBERT KERBER. HEY, NO TAKERS.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON AND.

AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20-23-160.

I MOVE, WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-169 AS READ.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED. ITS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 11.

UH, CITY ATTORNEY, YOUR THOUGHTS? LOTS OF THOUGHTS, BUT HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCISE BREVITY.

UH, AND THEN CITY CLERK.

AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM 12 CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH STARTING TOMORROW.

UM, GOT SOME GOOD TOPICS FOR HIM AND CHALLENGES.

AND I KNOW KEVIN'S GOING TO NAVIGATE HIM.

I'M JUST. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. WAITING TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO.

AH COMMISSIONER RING.

I SECOND MR. KILLINGSWORTH STEPPING IN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. HOGENCAMP, FOR THE LIMBO BETWEEN JOE AND BILL.

SO THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN THAT SPOT.

I KNOW WE PUT WE PUT A LOT ON YOU IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR YOUR WORK HERE.

COMMISSIONER. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.

BOLE YEAH.

I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER RING SAID.

THANK YOU, KEVIN. PERSONALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT REALIZE IT, BUT WE SAVED SOME MONEY HERE BY NOT HAVING TWO PEOPLE IN THAT POSITION.

SO. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IF YOU JUDGE OUR MEETINGS ON DOLLAR PER MINUTE, WE JUST SET A RECORD FOR MINUTES PER DOLLAR, PER BUDGET.

NO, BUT I HAVE THE MICROPHONE.

WELL, YEAH, COULD BE A FILIBUSTER.

YEAH. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AND YOU DIVIDE A MINUTES BY DOLLARS, WE JUST SET A RECORD.

AWESOME. COMMISSIONER KELLY.

OKAY. I WANTED TO CHIME IN ON BOTH LENNY AND DOC WATERS IDEA ABOUT PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY AT HOME ALONE BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF SPACE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THEY'RE NOT SURE THAT THE MONEY DESIGNATED FOR THE BAKER CENTER WAS ONLY FOR SENIOR SERVICES. IT WAS IT WAS TO EXPAND SERVICES, PERIOD.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND A PLACE AROUND HERE TO HAVE A MEETING OR A PARTY OR ANY KIND OF GATHERING.

AND I THINK IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BUY THIS PROPERTY, THAT IT IT ONLY ADDS TO OUR PORTFOLIO AND DOES NOT DETRACT FROM IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE DO HAVE MONEY THAT WE COULD COMMIT TO BUYING THIS PROPERTY.

AND I REALLY THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT.

WELL, I'M GLAD TO HEAR AT LEAST THE EXCITEMENT OF HAVING MORE DIALOG ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS WORTHY OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS COMMISSION.

SO IT'LL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

AND MR. HOGENCAMP, YOU AND I SHOULD PROBABLY TALK TOMORROW AND SEE IF WE CAN ARRANGE A VISIT TO THE BUILDING AND IF WE MIGHT ALSO EXTEND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO THE COMMISSIONERS. SURE THING.

SO I'LL FINISH OUT.

I ALSO WANT TO ECHO WHAT I HEARD AND THANK KEVIN HOGENCAMP FOR A JOB WELL DONE AND A CONTINUING JOB TO BE WELL DONE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

THANK YOU. AND SO THINGS ARE GETTING DONE.

I THINK WE'RE IN GREAT, GREAT SHAPE.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO FINISH ON A JUST AN INTEREST, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

MY WIFE, LEE, AND I WERE INVITED BY THE CAPTAIN OF THE OF THE HMS PRINCE OF WALES, WHICH IS ONE OF TWO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS THAT ARE PART OF THE BRITISH FLEET.

AND WE. SO WE WE HAD A COCKTAIL OR TWO.

IF YOU IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, THE BRITS DO LIKE THEIR COCKTAILS.

SO THAT WAS A TREAT. BUT THERE THIS SHIP IS ONLY, I BELIEVE, FIVE YEARS OLD.

AND THEY DID A PORT STOP AT MAYPORT.

THEY THEN MOVED ON TO NORFOLK FOR SOME WORK WITH BAE.

BUT WHAT AN INCREDIBLE EVENT AND SHIP.

IT'S STATE OF THE ART FOR THE BRITISH NAVY.

AND I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS TO YOU WHAT THEY EXPRESSED TO ME.

THEY LOVE AMERICANS AND THEY LOVE ATLANTIC BEACH AND OUR BEING THE HOST AND CERTAINLY MAYPORT, THEY'RE WELCOME BACK UNLESS SOMEBODY SAYS THAT

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BUT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM CHIEF VIC THAT WE HAD ANY INCIDENTS.

YOU CAN TELL ME NOW OR TELL ME LATER.

BUT REALLY A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.

AND THEY REACHED OUT TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT WASN'T JUST MAYOR FORD AND THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

SO I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THE BRITS.

JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO ADVISE AND I SAID THIS AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, I'M SORRY IT WAS A LITTLE LATE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, BUT HERE THEY WERE.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.