Oct 09, 2023 Commission Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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WELCOME. WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS.

BEFORE WE GAVEL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, I'M GOING TO LEAD US IN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE TODAY.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO JOIN ME, PLEASE DO.

TODAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SPECIAL DAY WHERE WE CELEBRATE THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA BY COLUMBUS.

AND SO MANY OF YOU, I'M SURE, HAVE DONE THAT.

BUT IT'S ALSO A VERY DIFFICULT DAY FOR SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

AND OUR HEARTS ARE VERY, VERY HEAVY FROM THE ATROCITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IN PARTICULAR IN GAZA AND THE LOSS OF LIFE AND THE TAKING OF HOSTAGES.

AND MOST OF US UNDERSTAND THAT THIS INCLUDES AMERICANS.

SO THERE ARE AMERICANS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES AND AMERICANS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING HELD HOSTAGE.

AND SO TODAY I WANT TO INVOKE AND ASK GOD FOR HIS HIS GUIDANCE FOR THOSE OF US IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY AROUND THE WORLD, BUT IN PARTICULAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN THE US, THAT WE ARE MEASURED IN OUR RESPONSE, BUT THAT WE ARE STRONG AND STEADFAST IN OUR RESPONSE, BUT THAT WE REMEMBER RIGHT NOW.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE THOSE FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED AND LOST LOVED ONES.

AND SO, WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU BRING THE HOSTAGES HOME SAFELY AND THAT THIS CONFLICT ENDS SOON VERSUS LATER.

AND WE ASK THIS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN. JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

THIS REGULAR CITY COMMISSION DATED OCTOBER 9TH, 2023, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

DONNA, CAN YOU HOST A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

WE'LL START WITH THE MINUTES 1.A, WHICH IS THE MINUTES OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP HELD ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023.

HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE. THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS PRESENTED.

ITEM 1.B IS APPROVED.

THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 14TH, 2023.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES? OKAY. HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM TWO, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

USUALLY WHEN WE HIT TEN.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REDUCE IT TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AT FIVE MINUTES.

SO, THE RULES ARE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WISH TO DISCUSS.

PLEASE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT PERSONAL WITH ANY, ANY INDIVIDUALS, BUT JUST STATE YOUR POSITION ON WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE SPEAKING ON.

THERE IS A CLOCK THAT YOU CAN USE TO STAY ON TIME.

DONNA, CAN WE HAVE OUR FIRST GUEST, SPEAKER JANE STEVENS? GOOD EVENING. JANE STEVENS 2243 BEACHCOMBER TRAIL.

I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE GREEN APPLE DAY OF SERVICE HAPPENING THIS SATURDAY FROM 8 TO 12 AT MAYPORT COASTAL SCIENCES MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I THINK THERE ARE FOUR GROUPS OF PEOPLE IN ATLANTIC BEACH WHO COULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS.

IF YOU ARE THE PARENT OF AN UPCOMING SIXTH GRADER AND YOU'RE CONSIDERING MAYPORT MIDDLE SCHOOL, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF THE SCHOOL STAFF, CHECK OUT THE FACILITY IN A LESS FORMAL WAY THAN A TOUR.

IF YOU ARE A ROTARY MEMBER OR A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF YOUR DONATION AND OF YOUR REALLY, REALLY HARD WORK, YOU WOULD BE WELCOME TO TOUR THE GARDEN AND TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE GROUNDS.

IF YOU OWN A COMPANY THAT SUPPLIES MULCH AND YOU HAVE ANY EXTRA, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU VISIT MAYPORT MIDDLE SCHOOL.

IF YOU ARE NOT IN ANY OF THESE GROUPS, BUT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THE SCHOOL THAT EDUCATES OVER 400 OF OUR CITIZENS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO SLIDE IN AND SNEAK A PEEK AND THEN

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I HAVE TO DO A HUMBLE BRAG HERE.

MY SON RECEIVED HIS WINGS OF GOLD FROM THE US NAVY IN AUGUST.

HE IS PRESENTLY TRAINING IN THE E-2 DELTA IN NORFOLK.

HE IS A VERY PROUD MAYPORT MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE MIDDLE SCHOOL SHARK AND WENT ON TO PAXON AND UCF.

AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.

IT'S CALLED THE SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14TH, 8 TO 12.

IT SAYS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS CAN RECEIVE VOLUNTEER HOURS.

IT'S CALLED THE GREEN APPLE DAY OF SERVICE.

AND THEY ARE DOING A GARDEN REFRESH, OCTOPUS GARDEN, LANDSCAPING, A STUDENT BATHROOM REMODEL AND HASKELL COMPANY ANCHOR QUAD REMODEL.

SO, IF ANYBODY'S GOT EXTRA TIME THIS SATURDAY, I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE.

THE TIME. 8 TO 12.

NEXT SPEAKER. MARK DABRINOWITZ.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS MARK DABRINOWITZ LIVE ON NORTH SHORE DRIVE.

YOU OPENED UP THE MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION ABOUT HISTORY, MR. MAYOR. AND DAYS LIKE THIS, I THINK ABOUT HISTORY.

I LOVE HISTORY.

IT WAS 8TH OCTOBER 1871, THE GREAT FIRE OF CHICAGO.

IT WAS A HORRIBLE DISASTER.

MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE WERE KILLED.

17,000 BUILDINGS WERE DESTROYED.

NOT TOO MUCH.

LATER, A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THAT WAS THE JOHNSTOWN FLOOD.

1878. AND OF COURSE, AFTER THAT, SOON AFTER, THAT WAS THE GALVESTON FLOOD.

THESE HISTORICAL DISASTERS OR IN OUR IN OUR HISTORY.

AND WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT ONCE IN A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND THAT HISTORY AS WE GO FORWARD.

BECAUSE THE LOSSES OF THOSE THREE DISASTERS THAT OCCURRED WITHIN THREE DECADES, THERE WAS A LOT OF HUBRIS ABOUT WE DON'T NEED THAT.

PEOPLE IN GALVESTON WANTED A SEAWALL, BUT THE CITY PEOPLE ARE RUNNING.

THE CITY SAID, NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WE'LL NEVER HAVE A HURRICANE HERE.

WELL, GALVESTON WAS BUILT ON A SAND DUNE, ESSENTIALLY.

AND OF COURSE, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT SAND DUNE.

PEOPLE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE HURRICANE COMING AND THEY SHUT THE NEWS OFF.

PEOPLE IN CUBA WERE WARNING ABOUT THE HURRICANE COMING.

THEY SHUT THE CUBAN METEOROLOGISTS OFF FROM TALKING TO US.

IT WAS HUBRIS OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT APPOINTEES THAT SAID WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

THEY KNEW THEY HAD A PROBLEM AND THEY IGNORED IT.

THE JOHNSON JOHNSTOWN FLOOD, THERE WAS A DAM THAT WAS BUILT HIGH UP IN THE MOUNTAINS.

AND IT WAS USED INITIALLY FOR PROVIDING WATER FOR A CANAL BECAUSE AT THE TIME CANALS WERE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY DID NOT NEED THE CANAL ANYMORE BECAUSE THE ADVENT OF RAILROADS NEGATED THE NEED FOR THE CANALS.

SO, SOME WEALTHY ELITE PEOPLE FROM PITTSBURGH MADE IT A FISHING CAMP.

WELL, THEY SAY IT WAS AN ACT OF GOD THAT CAUSED THE FLOOD.

WELL, THEY CHANGED THE HEIGHT OF THE DAM.

THEY CHANGED THE WAY THE OUTFLOW WAS CARRIED ON.

SO. WEALTHY PEOPLE HIGH ABOVE EVERYBODY ELSE CHANGED ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES.

FOR THEM FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT.

AND JUST LOTS OF LIVES WERE LOST IN THE CHICAGO FIRE.

HOMES WERE BUILT.

THE GERMAN AND ITALIAN AND POLISH IMMIGRANTS WERE PUT IN ONE SECTION OF TOWN, GIVEN VERY LITTLE SPACE TO LIVE.

ALL THE NORTHERN PINES WERE CUT DOWN FROM MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN.

HOMES WERE BUILT CLOSE TOGETHER, WITH ASPHALT AND TAR ROOFS.

ONE LITTLE FIRE, AND THEY BLAMED IT ON A COW.

IT WAS NOT MRS. O'LEARY, AND SHE WASN'T MRS. O'LEARY AS KATHERINE LEARY.

YES, SHE WAS IRISH.

BUT THE HUBRIS OF THE DAY WAS, OH, THESE IRISH IMMIGRANTS CAUSED THIS FIRE.

THEY BLAMED IT ON A COW, TOO.

IT'S JUST REALLY SAD.

SO, THESE ACTS OF GOD, THE HUBRIS, THIS FAULTY ENGINEERING, WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY.

CHANGE OF CLIMATE IS NOT AN ACT OF GOD.

WE ARE DOING THAT AND WE'RE DOING IT TO OURSELVES.

SO. WHENEVER WE MAKE A PLAN.

WHENEVER WE CONTRACT, LET A CONTRACT WHENEVER WE.

DEVELOP A CODE WITHOUT THE CODE.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY.

SOMETIMES THE COST OF DOING THAT AT THE PRESENT ARE VERY HIGH.

BUT THE COST TOMORROW BEFORE A GREATER.

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GREGORY POWELL.

GOOD EVENING. GREG POWELL.

I LIVE AT 1871 SILVER MARINA DRIVE.

FOR THE RECORD, I AM A PROFESSIONAL CIVIL ENGINEER AND I'VE WORKED FOR 40 YEARS IN WATER RESOURCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING.

I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK TO THE AGENDA ITEM 3.B, THE DOOR DART DRIVE PROPERTY PURCHASE.

AND IF I HAVE TIME, THE TREE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PRESENTED IN STEVE SWAN'S STAFF REPORT.

LET ME START BY SAYING THAT THE PHASE ONE IS A DONE BY THE BLACKLEDGE GROUP WAS IN FACT.

A THOROUGH, WELL WRITTEN.

AND IT ALSO FOLLOWED THE MOST RECENT ASTM STANDARD.

SO, GENERALLY THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

UM. I AGREE WITH THE TWO RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED THE RAISED MOUNDS ON THE SITE WITH THE TRASH AND THE PRINTING BUSINESS ENCROACHMENT.

I DO, HOWEVER, HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER WITH.

MY REVIEW OF THEIR REPORT, AND MAYBE THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ASK STEVE SWANN OR THE TBG GROUP TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

A DISCARDED TRANSFORMER WITH THE LID OFF WAS OBSERVED ON THE SITE AND A PHOTOGRAPH.

IT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED AND A PHOTOGRAPH WAS INCLUDED IN APPENDIX A OF THEIR REPORT.

PRIOR TO 1979, ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS CONTAINED PCBS AND WHICH IS A PERSISTENT CHEMICAL IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND EVEN THE NEWER VERSIONS HAD MINERAL OIL IN THEM, WHICH COULD CAUSE SOIL OR GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION.

MY QUESTION IS THIS WHY DOES THE REPORT IN SECTION 6.3.4 STATE THAT NO TRANSFORMER WAS OBSERVED WHEN IN FACT THEY PHOTOGRAPHED ONE AND THE SECOND WAS, WHY WAS THE TRANSFORMER NOT LISTED AS A RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL, A THIRD RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION? I AGREE WITH TDG'S CONCLUSIONS THAT THE SUBJECT SITE COULD NOT BE FULLY EVALUATED.

THEREFORE, FURTHER ASSESSMENT IS RECOMMENDED.

STEVE SWANN HAD A SIMILAR STATEMENT IN HIS STAFF REPORT.

I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IN STEVE'S REPORT.

THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH SHOULD ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLETE A PHASE TWO ESSER.

IN MY OPINION, REFUSAL BY THE OWNER TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME SHOULD BE VIEWED AS A RED FLAG, SUGGESTING CONCERN OVER WHAT YOU MAY FIND.

THIS COULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE LIABILITY FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

IF YOU DON'T DO THE PHASE TWO STUDIES, THE CITY COULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE LIABILITY PROVISIONS OF THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS, SPECIFICALLY SUPERFUND AND CERCLA.

THE INNOCENT LANDOWNERS.

LIABILITY DEFENSE REQUIRES ALL APPROPRIATE INQUIRY.

THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH NOW HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH A PHASE ONE REPORT THAT SAYS ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT IS REQUIRED.

STEVE HAS A SIMILAR STATEMENT IN HIS STAFF REPORT.

ALL ADDITIONAL INQUIRY ALSO REQUIRES.

AN ASSESSMENT OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE AND THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT CONTAMINATED AND, IN THIS CASE, THE PURCHASE PRICE IS LESS THAN 50% OF THE MARKET VALUE.

APPRAISALS, THAT SHOULD BE ANOTHER RED FLAG.

NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE TREE ANALYSIS, THE ANALYSIS PRESENTED BY STEVE AND HIS REPORT, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT ADDRESS THE APPROPRIATE QUESTION.

I THINK THE APPROPRIATE QUESTION IS THIS HOW MANY TREES REGULATED UNDER THE CITY'S CODE WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO ACHIEVE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY? IF WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION CLEARLY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS MAY BE, THEN I DON'T SEE HOW THIS COMMISSION CAN A COUNCIL SORRY, CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON THE PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

WE WON'T DO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT AND YOUR INPUT, MR. POWELL. NEXT SPEAKER.

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HELLO, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS AND OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

MOVE THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT DEER DRIVE.

I AGREE WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER, WITH HIS REPORT AND WITH HIS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 45 DAYS SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE PHASE TWO EVALUATION SO WE'D REALLY KNOW WHAT IS ON THE PROPERTY.

I FEEL THAT WHENEVER YOU ARE BUYING PROPERTY I WAS IN REAL ESTATE AND I WOULD NEVER EVER RECOMMEND THAT A BUYER BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT GETTING A THOROUGH INSPECTION.

AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.

IF WE DO THE PHASE TWO THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT, PARTICULARLY SINCE PHASE ONE HAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE TWO MOUNDS THAT ARE QUESTIONABLE AND THEY SUGGEST THAT WE THAT WE DO FURTHER EVALUATION.

AND ALONG WITH GETTING THE 45 DAYS WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEBODY IN GOOD FAITH, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD.

DEFINITELY GIVE YOU THE 45 DAYS.

WHY NOT? WHAT? WHAT WOULD THE OWNER HAVE TO LOSE? UNLESS THE OWNER HAS A REASON NOT TO WANT FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF HIS PROPERTY? SO, I WOULD URGE YOU TO FOLLOW WHAT THE STAFF IS SUGGESTING AND THEN ALSO HAVE IN THAT AND ASKING FOR THE EXTRA 45 DAYS THAT ALONG WITH THAT, THAT MEAN THAT SHOULD HE, SHOULD HE NOT ACCEPT THAT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION WOULD WALK AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DID.

THE PHASE TWO FOUND THAT THERE WAS TOXIC MATERIAL THERE AND THEN WE NEEDED ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS TO CLEAN THAT UP TO BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR A RETENTION POND.

AND CERTAINLY, THE CITIZENS OF AQUATIC GARDENS DESERVE THAT AND DESERVE TO KNOW THAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE SOLVED. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. BARKER.

NANCY STOTTS? HELLO, COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR.

NANCY STOTTS.

MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD.

WHEN WE COMMISSIONED THIS PHASE ONE STUDY, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE APPRECIATED YOU CALL IT PHASE ONE BECAUSE THERE IS A PHASE TWO.

AND IT'S KIND OF ASTONISHING TO ME THAT WE'RE WE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER NOT DOING THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE STUDY.

IN ADDITION, WE DID REQUEST, AS YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS ORIGINALLY FROM THIS SELLER AND HE REFUSED.

SO, I THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO THIS THINKING HE MAY REJECT OUR REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL 45 DAYS.

AND THEN WHAT? SO, I HOPE THIS COMMISSION DECIDES TONIGHT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHEN THE 45-DAY EXTENSION IS REFUSED, BECAUSE IT WILL BE. WHY WILL IT BE? I'M NOT SURE. YOU CAN SPECULATE THAT MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANT THE PHASE TWO STUDY KNOWN BECAUSE IT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT A FUTURE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY.

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING FROM MY STANDPOINT AND HOPEFULLY FROM YOURS, IS THAT YOU ARE STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY.

AND THIS IS A $1.075 MILLION PURCHASE WHERE WE HAVE LITERALLY NOT EVEN SCRATCHED THE SURFACE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PROPERTY.

I MIGHT REMIND YOU ALSO THERE WAS A VERY SIMILAR INCIDENT ON LILY LANE RECENTLY WHERE THE PHASE TWO EXAMINATION DID IN FACT SHOW CONTAMINANTS AND THE CITY WISELY PULLED OUT OF THAT DEAL. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PARCEL SHOWS THAT ACCORDING TO REDFIN, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS VALUED AT $622,000. IT WAS SOLD ORIGINALLY BACK IN 2016 FOR $225,000 AND THEN AGAIN IN 2017 FOR $350,000.

SO IT WAS LISTED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO FOR 1.075.

AND APPARENTLY THE CITY OFFERED FULL ASKING PRICE.

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BUT THAT SOUNDS NOBLE.

BUT REALLY, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF BUYING REAL ESTATE AND IT WOULD NOT BE A RESPONSIBLE MOVE.

SOMEONE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH OUR SITUATION TOLD ME, AND I QUOTE, IF ATLANTIC BEACH PROCEEDS WITH EXCAVATION WITHOUT FULLY KNOWING WHAT IT'S DEALING WITH, THEY ARE RISKING REINTRODUCING CONTAMINANTS INTO THE ECOSYSTEM, ESPECIALLY THE NEARBY CREEK.

AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF CONTAMINATION, A VERY EXPENSIVE CLEANUP AND HEAVY SCRUTINY FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATORS, UNQUOTE.

WHAT WOULD WE LOSE, REALLY BY ASKING FOR A 45 DAY EXTENSION? WHAT HAVE WE LOST? THERE'S A SMALL CHANCE SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BUY THE PROPERTY IN THAT SMALL PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I RATHER DOUBT IT, SINCE WE'RE UNDERGOING A PHASE TWO STUDY AND WE'RE IN IT FOR A PENNY IN IT FOR A POUND.

RIGHT. WE'VE SPENT FOR THE FIRST PHASE ONE STUDY.

LET'S FIND OUT WHAT'S REALLY THERE.

THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT DEAL.

I AM NOT BY ANY MEANS SAYING THIS IS A HORRIBLE DEAL.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE SPENDING OVER $1 MILLION ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE.

I THINK MR. POWELL MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE TREES.

HOW DOES THE REMOVAL OF TREES IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT? THERE ARE PROTECTED TREES ON THE PROPERTY.

AND WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT A SOLUTION TO THE AQUATIC GARDENS FLOODING WILL IN FACT BE REMEDIATED BY BY PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY? WHAT PRECISELY ARE WE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY TO REMEDIATE THE FLOODING? BECAUSE MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING, BUT I NEED SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME HOW WE'RE GETTING THERE FROM POINT A TO POINT B LIKE IT WAS A SIX-YEAR-OLD.

SO, I JUST THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL DOWNFALL SALES OF THIS WE ARE ROLLING THE DICE AND IT'S POSSIBLE THERE'S NOTHING THERE IN WHICH CASE GREAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A GREAT THING, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A PHASE TWO STUDY ANYWAY BEFORE WE START EXCAVATING, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT.

SO, I JUST THINK THE POTENTIAL DOWNFALLS OUTWEIGH ANY RISK OF WAITING ANOTHER 45 DAYS.

SO, I HOPE THIS COMMISSION IS PREPARED TO WALK AWAY IF WE DON'T GET THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR.

STOTTS. LISA HEROLD ? LISA HEROLD.

MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD.

I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR DRIVE AS WELL.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT.

I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS THREE SPEAKERS.

UM, IT'S SUSPECT TO ME THAT WE CAN'T GET AN ADDITIONAL 45 DAYS.

THAT'S LIKE A RED FLAG WARNING.

SO, I THINK YOU OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO DO PHASE TWO AND PROCEED WITH THAT AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AND BE PREPARED TO WALK AWAY. MEAN.

NEGOTIATION ONE ON ONE.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MS. HAROLD. JACKIE BECKENBAUER ? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. NEW CITY MANAGER.

WELCOME. AND THE ATTORNEY SHOULDN'T FORGET YOU EITHER.

I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF 3.B.

I KNOW I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL.

I THINK CANDICE HAS READ IT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT I SENT TO EACH OF YOU REGARDING THIS ISSUE.

IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S BEEN A FIRST PHASE OF THE ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY COMPLETED THUS FAR AND THAT THE INITIAL 45-DAY INSPECTION IS RUNNING OUT. AND I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE CITY WOULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO COMPLETE EVALUATION OF THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING SOIL SAMPLE TESTING, GROUNDWATER TESTING AND WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE WE INVEST $1,075,000 OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO PURCHASE THIS LAND.

MY ASK IS THAT YOU AND THE CITY STAFF INVOLVED IN MAKING THIS DECISION WOULD THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WOULD PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY IF THIS MONEY WAS COMING OUT OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNT AND THAT YOU WOULD GIVE IT THE SAME CONSIDERATION AND EXAMINATION THAT YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE PLANNING TO SPEND $1 MILLION ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WOULD YOU BUY A HOUSE WITHOUT DOING A COMPLETE INSPECTION? SO WITH THAT, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO MAKE A HASTY DECISION.

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I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE HIDING IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO REALLY, TRULY LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY ITSELF.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL ALL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THE WRONG CHOICE AND HAVE THIS NOT GO WELL.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. BECKENBAUER.

YOUR THOUGHTS.

HELLO, I'M DR.

PETER STOTZ. I AM A PHYSICIAN AND A BUSINESSMAN AND FIRST TIME HERE.

AND I WANTED TO COME AND OFFER AGAIN MY OPPOSITION TO THE DEAL IN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AS IT'S BEING SET UP.

I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT MR. POWELL SAID AND WHAT MR. BERENBAUM SAID, BUT IT SOMEWHAT DEFIES LOGIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEAL.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE DEAL WAS SET UP TO BE SUCH A GREAT DEAL TO BEGIN WITH, WITH HAVING THEM PURCHASE THE PRICE, A PURCHASE PRICE OF 300,000 TO 1 MILLION PLUS OF ABOUT SIX YEARS LATER.

BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME AS A PHYSICIAN IS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I HEARD FROM MR. POWELL THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN OF THE TRANSPONDER AND THE PCBS THAT COULD BE IN IN THE COMMUNITY AND.

I'M AWARE OF THE COST OF REVAMPING A PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S BEEN EXPOSED TO TOXIC WASTES LIKE THIS.

SO IT IS A REAL, REAL CONCERN THAT WE WOULD PROCEED.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DEAL AND TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DEAL UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND SAYING LET'S MOVE AHEAD WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES INTO.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL YIELD MY TIME JUST TO SAY BACK.

BUT THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR TAXPAYERS AND THE VOTERS ON WHAT THEY WANT IN THIS TRANSACTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR.

STOTTS. TAG TEAM OF TRACY AND KELLY.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR LAST NAME AS WELL WHEN YOU GET UP THERE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

HI, LATRINA THOMAS CULTURAL ARTS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL HERE TODAY TO INTRODUCE YOU GUYS TO OUR NEW ADVISORS.

SO, THEY'VE RECEIVED THEIR BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THEY'RE CLEARED.

SO, THEY ARE SET TO RUN OUR YOUTH COUNCIL PROGRAM FOR THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR.

SO, I'M GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND SOME UPCOMING EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE ON THE AGENDA.

SO, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF NOVEMBER 7TH EVENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HERE AT CITY HALL.

SO THEY WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR CITY HALL AS WELL AS THE POLICE STATION.

SO WE HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU IN THE COMMISSIONERS OUT HERE TO SUPPORT THEM.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TRACY AND KELLY.

I'M KELLY BURNETT AT 330 10TH STREET.

AND I'M TRACY SYNAN AT 2055 BEACH AVENUE.

YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY KIND AND ALREADY MEETING AND GREETING A LOT OF OUR CHILDREN THAT ARE ON THE YOUTH COUNCIL.

THE NEW TEAM HAD THEIR FIRST MEETING LAST MONTH AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR FIRST MEETING LATER, I THINK, THIS WEEK.

IF NOT, IT'S THE USUALLY THE FIRST THURSDAY EVENING OF THE MONTH.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE, MAYOR.

UM, WE DO HAVE JUST TO LET THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY KNOW IF ANYBODY HAPPENS TO BE LISTENING.

THE YOUTH COUNCIL ARE A GROUP OF STUDENTS THAT ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT GOVERNMENT, SPECIFICALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND SUPPORTING ATLANTIC BEACH IS GOVERNMENT AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY DO.

SO THAT'S WHY, ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND DO THE TOURS AND MEET ALL THE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY DOES FROM THE THE HALLOWEEN EVENT AT THE END OF THE MONTH TO THE TOY DRIVE LAST YEAR, THEY DID THE BEST THINGS IN A BACKPACK.

THEY WERE VOLUNTEERING AT THE EASTER THING.

THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF I COULD LIST.

DON'T WANT TO WASTE A LOT OF PEOPLE'S TIME BECAUSE THE CITY HAS ALREADY SET UP A WEB PAGE FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL.

THEY'LL BE USING THAT AND INSTAGRAM.

AND IF ANYBODY KNOWS ANY 14 YEAR OLD AND UP STUDENTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH CITY YOUTH COUNCIL, THEY CAN LOOK ON THE WEBSITE AND THEY CAN COME TO THE MEETINGS ON THURSDAY EVENINGS, THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, AT THE ADELE GRANGE CULTURAL

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GO AHEAD. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO ASK SOMETHING.

TALK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

YEAH, THIS IS RESERVED JUST FOR YOU.

JUST FOR US. MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE PLANS TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO KIDS WHO ARE NOT GOING TO FLETCHER.

I MEAN, WE GOT KIDS GOING TO EVERY SCHOOL.

AND SO THE YOUTH COUNCIL REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU ARE A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.

AND WE DO ACTUALLY MORE THAN, OH, YOU MEAN LIKE PROVIDENCE? YES. AND ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF OF OUR STUDENTS ARE NOT FROM FLETCHER.

WE'VE GOT, WHAT, PROVIDENCE, EPISCOPAL, BOLES.

HER SON IS AT BOLES NOW, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. SO, YEAH, SHE'S.

BUT THEY'RE ALL GREAT KIDS AND THEY COME FROM ALL OVER.

YEAH, IT IS.

IT IS. AND ACTUALLY, WHEN WE DO A LOT OF OUR EVENTS, IT'S EASY TO THINK.

BUT WE ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE STUDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DIVIDE THAT GO TO NEPTUNE BEACH AND THAT GO TO MAYPORT.

AND SO, WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT AND ALWAYS WANT TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE AREA OF OUR ENTIRE CITY.

SO, PARDON ME.

NO. YES.

OH, WELL, I THINK IS IT 13 OR 14.

14 IS OUR AGE.

SO, I GUESS IF THERE ARE 14-YEAR-OLDS STILL IN MIDDLE, THAT WOULD WE ENCOURAGE SOMETIMES FOR MIDDLE SCHOOLERS WHO ARE GOING INTO HIGH SCHOOL TO ALSO JUST TO COME AND JUST SHADOW AND OVERSEE, JUST TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD FIT WHEN THEY GO OFF TO HIGH SCHOOL.

YES, SOME OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES KIND OF CONTEST.

HE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THAT AND KEEPING US INFORMED OF ALL THE FESTIVITIES THAT THEY HAVE WON.

SO, THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR KELLY HAS BEEN INVOLVED FOR A WHILE.

THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR, BUT WE'RE TAKING OUR CUES FROM HER.

SO, WE'VE GOTTEN, AND WE HEARD THAT LAST YEAR WHEN THE MAYOR AND KEVIN CAME AND SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY JUST GOT ALL JAZZED UP AND WE'RE SUPER EXCITED. SO, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT HAPPENING AGAIN ON THURSDAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TRACY AND KELLY.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, BRINKLEY HARRELL.

GOOD EVENING.

BRINKLEY HAROLD 266TH STREET.

I WAS VERY REMISS DURING THE SPECIAL MEETING.

WELCOME, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

NICE. NICE TO SEE YOU LIVE AND IN PERSON AND WITH SO MANY SYLLABLES IN YOUR LAST NAME.

DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.

OKAY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, DORA DRIVE, ITEM 3.B, I'M REALLY SURPRISED AT THE OUT.

POURING OF.

NONSUPPORT FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THAT PURCHASE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE NOT BEEN A FAN.

SORRY, STEVE. I'VE NOT BEEN A FAN OF THE PURCHASE FROM THE BEGINNING.

BUT JUST LIKE WITH THE LILLY DRIVE PROPERTY A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON TWO APPRAISALS AT 4 OR $5000 EACH.

A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL THAT PROBABLY 5 TO $10,000.

AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO DECIDE ENOUGH'S ENOUGH? YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOU ARE SMART PEOPLE, YOU ALL.

YOU'RE ALL OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW.

OKAY, FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF Y'ALL ARE OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW ABOUT PCBS AND TRANSFORMERS.

IF THERE'S AN ANTIQUE, ANCIENT, ANTIQUATED, OPEN TOP PCB TRANSFORMER ON THAT SITE.

I'M SORRY. THINK WE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY? WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO TO A PHASE TWO.

JUST SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.

WE'RE OUT OF HERE.

BECAUSE FOR THAT THING TO BE TURNED INTO POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.

START IT OVER. THAT'S HARDLY FUN.

THIS TIME, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN ANTIQUATED, OPEN PCB RELATED TRANSFORMER ON THAT SITE, THAT THE FUTURE INTENT WAS TO TURN IT INTO A RETENTION POND TO DRAIN THE CREEK THAT EVENTUALLY GOES DOWN TO AQUATIC GARDENS AND HOPKINS CREEK AND INTO THE INTERCOASTAL.

MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO CALL THE EPA AND TELL THEM TO COME TAKE A LOOK.

YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR NIXING THAT AND INSTEAD TAKE THAT MONEY AND RETIRE THE DEBT THAT WAS FINANCED TO PURCHASE SELVA PRESERVE, GET THAT DEBT OFF THE BOOKS. IT SAVES US $100,000 A YEAR OFF THE BUDGET JUST IN INTEREST ALONE, ROUGHLY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE WHAT THE ACTUAL SUNK COSTS ARE SO FAR ON ALL THE APPRAISALS AND WHAT A FUTURE COST FOR THE FOR THE PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD BE.

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AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP BY COMMISSIONER BOLE A COUPLE OF A MEETING OR TWO AGO HAD TO DO WITH LIABILITY INSURANCE.

THE BIG THING IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET IS THE CITY'S LIABILITY BILL.

LIABILITY INSURANCE BILL INCREASED BY 33%.

COMMISSIONER BOLE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT, MAYBE CHARGING USER FEES TO PEOPLE COMING ONTO ATLANTIC BEACH PROPERTY TO DO VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS OR PARTICIPATE IN THINGS.

NOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD WAY TO GO.

I DON'T THINK. BUT THE CITY NEEDS TO REQUIRE THAT ANY CONTRACTOR SERVICE PROVIDER FOOD TRUCK COMING ON TO CITY PROPERTY FOR ANY KIND OF EVENT HAS ALREADY HAS ON FILE A CERTIFICATE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE WITH THE CITY.

AND THEN OUR RISK MANAGER, WHO I THINK IS THE HR DIRECTOR, NEEDS TO TAKE THAT TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE BEING COVERED BY ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE PAYING MORE FOR LIABILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING THEIR OWN LIABILITY INSURANCE.

NOW, THAT LIABILITY INSURANCE ISSUE OR THEIR CERTIFICATES REALLY GOES INTO ITEM EIGHT B WITH THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURAL COMMITTEE, IN MY WORDS, GIVING AWAY $75,000 TO EIGHT NONPROFITS AND SEVEN FOR PROFITS.

I'M NOT SO AGAINST THE NONPROFITS.

I GET THAT ONE. BUT GIVING AWAY MONEY TO FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS JUST BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR IT.

I'M SORRY, I CAN'T I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND CONSIDER THAT MOTION OR THAT RESOLUTION LATER ON AFTER SOME OTHER RESEARCH, AT LEAST PUT A CAVEAT ON IT THAT NONE OF THAT MONEY WILL BE RELEASED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR UNTIL ALL THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE PROVIDED THEIR CERTIFICATE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE TO THE CITY AND APPROPRIATELY LOOKED AT.

NOW, THE OTHER ASPECT OF.

ALL THOSE 15 OR 20 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLIED FOR THAT MONEY IS, I READ THROUGH WHAT WAS PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE.

ON THE AGENDA. I DIDN'T SEE A CLEAR METRIC OF ANY SORT THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED WHAT THE WHAT WE GOT FROM EACH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AS FAR AS PEOPLE USING IT. THERE WAS ONE ABOUT THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM FOR ABC FOR 400 STUDENTS.

OKAY, THAT WAS A GOOD ONE.

BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE OUT OF 15 OR 20 TOTAL ON THERE.

AND I THINK THE YOU ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO REQUIRE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE ARTS REC AND CULTURAL DIRECTOR BEFORE YOU START RELEASING THE $75,000 IN FREE MONEY.

NOW, OTHERWISE, AS FAR AS THE FOR PROFITS GO, I ALSO THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE SOME TYPE OF A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS WHERE IF IT'S REALLY NEEDED, THERE SHOULD BE A SOLICITATION, THERE SHOULD BE BIDDING, THERE SHOULD BE CONTRACT, THERE SHOULD BE REVIEWS, AND THEN A CONTRACT AWARD IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO FOR PROFIT COMPANIES.

AND THERE'S ALSO A DISPARITY, A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN ONE ELEMENT IS GETTING $10,000.

FOUR ARE GETTING 5000 AND THE REST ARE GETTING LESS THAN 2000 EACH.

THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK IS QUITE RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HAROLD DUNHAM.

THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER FORMS HAVE.

MAYOR, BEFORE I CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE HERE TODAY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT DID NOT SIGN IN? OKAY. HEARING NONE, CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

ITEM 3.A IS YOUR 90-DAY CALENDAR.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT.

IT'S OCTOBER 16TH.

IT'S NOTE NUMBER THREE.

IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS A WORKSHOP THAT WAS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO GO OVER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE COMP PLAN CHANGES FOR OCTOBER 16TH.

THAT IS NO LONGER TENTATIVE.

IT HAS BEEN CANCELED AND IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED IN THE FUTURE.

I WILL TAKE THE BLAME FOR THAT BECAUSE I ASKED TO HAVE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ THE SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF CHANGES AND UNDERSTAND THEM BEFORE WE PROCEEDED.

AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD ASK THAT WE ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90-DAY CALENDAR? YES. SO, DONE.

THANK YOU. UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM 3.B, DORA DRIVE, WHICH WE STILL HAVE ALL THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, SO THIS IS GOOD.

WE'LL ALL HEAR ON THAT, BUT WE'LL START OUT WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.

YES. AGAIN, MR. MAYOR, WE'LL HAVE STEVE PRESENT HIS REPORT AND HIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.

[00:40:07]

LET'S HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK SLIDES HERE.

JUST RUN THROUGH IT.

SAME THING THAT'S IN THE IN THE DRAFT STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A DUE DILIGENCE, DUE DILIGENCE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PROPERTY.

UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU WHERE IT IS BETWEEN MAYPORT ROAD AND FRANCIS, JUST SOUTH OF SOUTH OF SIMMONS AND HOW IT TIES IN WITH OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS ALONG THIS DRAINAGE WAY.

UM, AND REMIND YOU THAT THE DRAINAGE WAY GOING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE NO EASEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, ON THAT DITCH RIGHT NOW.

NEVER HAD ONE. WE HAD TWO PROPERTY APPRAISALS AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES.

WE NEED TWO APPRAISALS.

WE GOT ONE INITIALLY, AND THEN WHEN WE ENTERED THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE SECOND ONE AND THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR AND THAT ASSUMES FULLY BUILT OUT WITH WHAT'S PROVED IN TERMS OF ZONING AND AND OTHER LAWS.

BRIAN RIDDELL FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID A TREE SURVEY OUT THERE.

AND THE KIND OF THING THEY NOTICE IS THAT A LOT OF THE BIG TREES OUT THERE ARE CAMPHOR TREES WHICH ARE WHICH ARE INVASIVE SPECIES ARE NOT A PROTECTED TREE.

THEY LOOK NICE, BUT THEY TAKE OVER EVERYTHING.

SO, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE, WHY THEY'RE INVASIVE.

THERE ARE SOME DECENT TREES ON THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY, SOME SYCAMORES AND THE MIXTURE OF OAK AND SOME PALMS ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

AND WE PROBABLY WHATEVER WORK WE DID OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE STORMWATER POND, WE'D STAY AWAY FROM MOST OF THOSE TREES.

SOME OF THEM WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME DOWN, BUT WE TRY TO PROTECT THE FRINGES AND STAY AWAY FROM MOST OF THEM.

IF THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED TO BE DEVELOPED TO MEET THAT, APPRAISAL ESTIMATE, EVERY ONE OF THESE TREES PRETTY MUCH WOULD BE GONE.

SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN IF WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES THAT WE CHOOSE TO SAVE.

THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING AT AN AT AN AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THE CAMPFIRES REALLY TAKE UP THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE OPEN AREA AND THE AREA OF THE CAMPFIRES IS THE MOST LIKELY AREA WE'D WANT TO DO SOME TYPE OF STORMWATER POND IN THE FUTURE TO HELP US OUT WITH THE AQUATIC GARDENS ISSUE. MOVING ON TO THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, YOU DO A PHASE ONE, YOU CALL IT A PHASE ONE, NOT BECAUSE YOU AUTOMATICALLY GO TO A PHASE TWO, YOU CALL IT A PHASE ONE, AND IT FOLLOWS VERY STRICT GUIDELINES.

AND AT THE PHASE ONE COMES BACK AND SAYS, WE'VE FOUND NO RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.

IT GIVES YOU LIABILITY PROTECTION, AS GREG SAID, FROM HAZARDOUS WASTE LAWS AND CIRCLE LAWS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T FIND MUCH IN THE PROPERTY, OR OUR CONSULTANT DID NOT FIND MUCH IN THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR SEVERAL SOIL MOUNDS AND AN ENCROACHMENT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S SOME PRINT SHOP ACTIVITY GOING ON.

SO, AND HE DID NOT BRING UP THE HE DID HAVE A PICTURE OF THE OF THE TRANSFORMER BUT DID NOT MENTION IT ELSEWHERE IN THE REPORT AND DON'T HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM HIM ON THAT BUT I'LL GET THAT BUT I ASSUME IT WAS JUST A SHELL OF A TRANSFORMER LINE ON TOP OF LEAVES THAT NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND OF LEAKAGE OR, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSFORMER WAS PROBABLY EMPTY AND CONTENTS REMOVED BEFORE IT WAS DUMPED THERE OR HOWEVER LONG AGO.

AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN FAIRLY RECENT.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

SO, WE HAVE THE TWO RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WHICH IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS THAT YOU WOULD GO INTO A PHASE TWO.

THE PHASE ONE IS STRICTLY RECORD SEARCH AND A SITE REVIEW AND INTERVIEWS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND FORMER PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY CAN BE FOUND.

AND THE PHASE TWO IS ACTUALLY WHERE YOU YOU GO IN WHERE YOU HAVE THESE RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND YOU EXPLORE THEM IN ENOUGH DETAIL TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S NO CONTAMINATION.

HOPEFULLY CONFIRM THERE'S NO CONTAMINATION THERE.

AND IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY LIABILITY IF THEY DON'T FIND ANY CONTAMINATION.

SO WITH THE SOIL MOUNDS, WE'D PROBABLY OPEN THOSE UP WITH A BACKHOE.

JUST THEY'RE NOT HUGE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE MOSTLY CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU POP THEM OPEN AND SEE WHAT'S IN THERE.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND ASSUMING THAT STITCHES AND SCREENS OPERATES WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM THERE EITHER.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME GROUNDWATER SAMPLES AND SOME SOIL SAMPLES THERE TO TO CONFIRM THAT.

SO YEAH, WE CAN'T CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD BECAUSE OF PHASE ONE IS NOT CLEAN.

IF THE PHASE ONE HAD COME BACK CLEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY.

SO, WE DO NEED WE NEED TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION.

45 DAYS IS ADEQUATE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO DO THAT.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE PROCEED WITH CONDUCTING A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY IF YOU WISH TO MOVE FORWARD.

[00:45:06]

AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR OPINION? BECAUSE WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENT TONIGHT ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS PLAN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT, AND I FEEL LIKE THE STORMWATER PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE GREATLY REMEDIED BY THIS.

I MEAN, CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON THAT? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THAT I DID TELL YOU ALL I WAS GOING TO DO BEFORE WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY WAS DO A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IMPROVEMENT WE COULD GET ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A STORMWATER PROTECTION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE HAVE, THE COST OF WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED DOWNSTREAM AND WHAT'S FEASIBLE DOWNSTREAM IN THE AQUATIC GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.

AND THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO DO THAT.

AND MY LIMITED TIME OPTED NOT TO PROCEED ON THAT UNLESS YOU WANTED TO REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL 45 DAY EXTENSION.

BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING IN TWO WEEKS IF YOU ALL OPT TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION AND MOVE FORWARD, THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING COULD WORK UP THAT BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH THE AQUATIC GARDENS DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T GET WATER OUT OF THERE, WHICH IS WE HAVE THAT PROJECT OUT TO BID RIGHT NOW.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A PRE-BID MEETING TOMORROW AND HOPEFULLY WE GET A GOOD NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS HERE TO TALK TO ABOUT THE PROJECT.

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE MUCH STORAGE, SO WHEN IT RAINS, THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO.

SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR 2018 STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE WAS TO TRY TO EXPAND THE AQUATIC GARDENS POND BY BOTH PURCHASING THE BEACHES AQUATIC CLUB AND ALL THE HOMES IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POND.

WELL, THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN THIS DAY AND AGE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR WHERE ELSE CAN WE GRAB MORE STORAGE IN THIS AREA? THE ONE PLACE WE CAN IS IN THE HOPKINS CREEK DITCH ITSELF BETWEEN PLAZA AND THE SHOPPING CENTER AND BEACHES AQUATIC CLUB.

BY OPENING THAT DITCH UP AND SHEET PILING ON ONE SIDE OF THE DITCH OR BOTH SIDES OF THE DITCH TO PROVIDE THAT EXTRA STORAGE THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED.

UM, SHEET PILES REALLY EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALL CANTILEVERED, YOU CAN'T TIE IT BACK.

SO, IT'S BIG STEEL SHEETS WITH CONCRETE CAP ON IT, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE.

IF YOU WENT DOWN PENMAN ROAD BY FLETCHER AND LOOKED AT THE PROJECT, IT LOOKS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE OF THE DITCH.

SO THE TRICK IS TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A POND, SAY IN THIS DOOR PROPERTY, HOW MUCH OF THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD THAT OFFSET DOWNSTREAM THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE IT'S GREATER THAN A 1 TO 1.

HOW MUCH? I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED ASSESSMENT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND COME BACK WITH THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.

THAT INCLUDE THAT. I'M SORRY, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FACT THAT WE'RE USING ARPA MONEY TO BUY DOOR PROPERTY, WHICH WE WOULD NOT BE USING TO TO TO WIDEN THE DITCH? WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AVAILABLE TO US RIGHT NOW TO WIDEN THAT DITCH.

RIGHT. SO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY GRANT MONEY FOR THAT.

WELL, I'M ALSO WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING FOR GRANT MONEY TO HELP US CONSTRUCT A STORMWATER POND AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. BUT SO PRETTY GOOD AT THAT.

AS FAR AS THAT HOPKINS CREEK IS THAT PHASE, HAS THAT EVEN BEGUN? IT'S THE FIRST MAJOR PROJECT IS OUT TO BID RIGHT NOW.

IT'S OUT TO BID AND THAT'LL RELIEVE A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT IT WILL RELIEVE A GOOD PORTION OF THEM.

SO THE RELATIONSHIP OF DOOR DRIVE AND CONNECTION TO HOPKINS CREEK, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT IT'D BE A ONE ON ONE THOUGHT THE COST WOULD BE AT LEAST 1 TO 1, IF NOT MORE.

SO HAVING DORA DRIVE, LET'S SAY WE YOU KNOW, WE GO WITH THE 45 DAYS, IT COMES BACK AS CONTAMINATED.

WE WALK AWAY. RIGHT.

BUT THEN WHAT DO WE DO AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND ON HOPKINS CREEK? YEAH, WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH PROVIDING MORE STORAGE DOWNSTREAM.

SOUTH OF PLAZA.

SOUTH OF PLAZA? YEAH. WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CONSTRUCTING STORAGE IN THE DORA DRIVE AREA.

SO YOUR IDEA OF PURCHASING DORA DRIVE WAS, WAS TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'RE JUST.

ABSOLUTELY. YES. YES.

OKAY. SO DORA DRIVE WOULD HAVE SAVED US SOME COST IN THE LONG TERM LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 6 YEARS WITH THE PROJECTS THAT THAT WERE GOING TO BE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT TO IMPROVE THAT DRAINAGE AREA.

IN HOPKINS. YES, STEVE.

WHEN WE SET OUR PRIORITIES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE SAID RESILIENCY WAS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

YOU REMEMBER THIS? AND WE. YEAH.

SO, WOULD YOU SAY THIS PROJECT IN FACT, SUPPORTS THAT?

[00:50:03]

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? THAT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING, YES.

AND TO TRY TO GET THE 45 DAYS.

SO I TALKED TO JASON.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT OWNER AND ASK FOR 45 DAYS? SURE. YEAH. AND FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS HERE.

AND LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR.

I DID SPEAK TO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SELLER ON FRIDAY TO GIVE HIM A HEADS UP ABOUT THIS THAT WOULD BE ASKING FOR FOR SOME MORE TIME.

AND THEY WERE AGREEABLE.

THEY WERE GOING TO SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL SELLER.

THEY SOUNDED AGREEABLE. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM SINCE.

AND WHAT I'D ASK TO JUST WHILE I'M ON THIS POINT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE END UP DOING AND REQUESTING THE 45 DAYS AGAIN, I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT.

BUT IF THEY DON'T, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION, THE CURRENT DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD ENDS THIS THURSDAY, I BELIEVE THE 12TH, AND WE'D BE ASKING OBVIOUSLY FOR 45 MORE DAYS THROUGH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 27TH.

BUT IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT.

SO, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS, I WOULD SEND A AMENDMENT TO THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT PROBABLY TOMORROW ASKING FOR THE 45 DAYS.

IF WE DON'T GET ANYTHING BY THURSDAY, THEN IT WOULD BE MY INTENTION, UNLESS I HEAR ANYTHING OTHERWISE FROM YOU TO SEND A TERMINATION LETTER AT THAT TIME.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD TOO.

I KNOW. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE PROCESS.

SO, STEVE, IN YOUR OPINION, IS PHASE TWO IS WELL WORTH IT, THE 10,000? WELL, YES, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR STORMWATER PROJECTS AND THE PROJECTS WE HAVE TO DO, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE. THEY'RE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS' WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS FIRST PHASE IS, YOU KNOW, A $3 MILLION SPEND AND THERE'S MANY MILLIONS MORE DOWN THE DOWN THE PIKE.

SO, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE MOST INEXPENSIVE WAY WE CAN GET THIS DONE AND MEET THE OBJECTIVES THAT ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

I KNOW I'VE WALKED OUT THERE AND I'LL JUST ASK YOU, HAVE YOU DID YOU SEE A TRANSFORMER? I MEAN, I SAW A PICTURE, BUT NO, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH BAMBOO IN THAT SIDE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT MYSELF.

ALL RIGHT. I'M A PROPONENT OF PHASE TWO AND SEEING WHAT WE'VE GOT AND WALKING AWAY.

IF, IN FACT, THEY DON'T COME BACK BY THURSDAY, AND I'LL RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE TRANSFORMER.

AND I WILL ALSO. I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THANKS. COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

STEVE, HAS ANYONE CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE NEIGHBORS? THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA TO FIND OUT HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THEIR LIVES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE NOT A LOT OF THE FAMILIES, I WOULD THINK, HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND COULD GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT PROPERTY ITSELF. FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I LIVE, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE LILY STREET AND TALKING TO ANY OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU IT'S A DUMP SITE.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO HAVE TAKEN OUT $10,000 FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

BUT WE KNEW IT WAS A DUMP SITE.

BUT ANYHOW. WELL.

BUT NO, I HAVE NOT I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE PHASE ONE GUYS DID.

WHEN I READ THE REPORT THAT THEY, OF WHERE THEY CHECK FOR THINGS, BUT THOUGHT IT SAID THAT THEY DID TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THEM AND SOME OF THEM WERE NEW.

RIGHT. THEY TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S PART OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF FENCE AROUND THIS POND.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE KIND OF LIKE THE DOG PARK POND OR ANY OTHER STORMWATER POND.

YOU SEE VERY, VERY SHALLOW BANKS.

IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE OPTED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A DOT POND AND STEEP PILOT WHERE IT'S STEEP BANKS, WE'D HAVE TO FENCE IT OFF.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FENCE GOING AROUND A POND IF IT'S MORE THAN TWO FEET DEEP.

I MEAN, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE LAST WEEK ABOUT A LITTLE GIRL WHO WAS FOUND IN THE POND AND DROWNED.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE QUESTION WITH THE HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND REALLY CONSIDERING ALL THE CHILDREN IN THAT AREA WANDERING INTO PONDS? NOT YET, BECAUSE WE'RE FAR FROM ANY DESIGN.

YES, OF COURSE. IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL.

WHAT OTHER FUNDS WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT FOR PAYING FOR THIS? I KNOW THE ARPA FUNDS ARE NOT.

THEY'RE PRETTY WELL SPOKEN FOR AT THIS POINT.

WE'D BE THERE'S FUNDS THROUGH THE HAZARD FEMA'S HAZARD MITIGATION PROGRAM THAT'S FUNDING THE BULK OF OUR AQUATIC GARDENS PROJECTS.

THERE'S A STATE APPROPRIATIONS.

WE CAN REQUEST MONEY THROUGH A STATE APPROPRIATION.

THERE'S RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT FUNDING FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHERE RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSING OUR ASK FROM THE STATE FOR THAT ON INFRASTRUCTURE WORK ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.

BUT YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS WE COULD LOOK FOR.

[00:55:03]

I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED.

60 DAYS. YEAH, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN ALL THIS DONE IN 60 DAYS, THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.

BUT THEN THEY TURNED US DOWN AND THEY SAID, YOU HAVE 45.

THAT'S FINE. YEAH, IT'S A CHOICE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

HERE WE ARE. OKAY.

SO WE'VE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS JUST CONSENSUS.

AND I BELIEVE THE CONSENSUS WOULD BE TWO THINGS TO DIRECT OUR CITY ATTORNEY BE ASSUMING WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL, CITY MANAGER, TO NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION OF 45 DAYS TO COMPLETE A PHASE TWO.

BUT ALSO, WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? WELL, JUST IN CASE THAT WERE REJECTED ON OR BEFORE THURSDAY, THAT I WOULD SEND A TERMINATION LETTER.

AND I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

AND I DON'T USUALLY COMMENT IN CHAMBERS TO THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR COMMENTS, BUT BUT I DO WANT THE CITIZENS TO KNOW THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.

AND THE FIRST THING I DID MONDAY WAS WALK IN AND TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT PROCEEDING WITHOUT A PHASE TWO BECAUSE YOU JUST YOU CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF THING.

AND OF COURSE, STEVE WOULD CLARIFY, YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.

I SUPPOSE YOU COULD DO IT.

BUT BUT IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO PROCEED WITH A 45 DAY EXTENSION OR TO LET THE SELLER KNOW THAT WE'RE CANCELING THE CONTRACT IF THEY DO NOT AGREE? YES. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND THANK YOU TO THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE UP ON THIS TODAY.

OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 3.C.

IT'S A PROCLAMATION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND RECOGNITION OF FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.

WHEREAS CITY GOVERNMENT IS THE GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO MOST CITIZENS AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST DIRECT DAILY IMPACT UPON ITS RESIDENTS.

AND WHEREAS, AS A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PROVIDES SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS.

AND WHEREAS, CITY GOVERNMENT IS ADMINISTERED FOR AND BY ITS CITIZENS AND DEPENDS ON PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO AND UNDERSTANDING OF ITS MANY RESPONSIBILITIES. AND WHEREAS, CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES SHARE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENHANCE CITIZENS UNDERSTANDING OF PUBLIC SERVICES AND THEIR BENEFITS. FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.

FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES INITIATIVE OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY STAFF TO SPREAD THE WORD TO ALL CITIZENS THAT THEY CAN SHAPE AND INFLUENCE THIS SEGMENT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.

WHEREAS DURING THIS YEAR'S FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK, ATLANTIC BEACH WILL ENGAGE CITIZENS IN ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO TEACH THEM ABOUT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

THESE EFFORTS SERVE THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S COMMITMENT TO FOSTERING A WELL INFORMED, INVOLVED PUBLIC, WHICH IS INTEGRAL TO OUR SHARED MISSION OF AN EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT WORKING FOR ITS PEOPLE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, CURTIS FORD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 16TH THROUGH 2020 SECOND 2023 AS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS, CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES TO ASSIST IN EFFORTS THAT RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN WITNESS.

WHEREFORE, I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE OFFICIAL SEAL OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE AFFIXED THIS NINTH DAY OF OCTOBER 2023.

KEVIN WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY PRESENTING THIS TO ANYONE.

SO, ON ITEM 3.C.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

COMMISSIONER WATERS, WOULD YOU LEAD OFF ON THAT, PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU JUST TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

ALMOST HOME.

I GOT IT. ALMOST HOME ABOUT KENNY AND MY LIST, TOO.

WHAT IS? WHERE DO WE STAND ON THAT? ARE WE MOVING FORWARD ON ALL? SO, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.

I CAN ADDRESS IT NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE HUDDLING AND ALL GOING TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING, TOO, BUT, WELL, YOU'LL STILL GET THAT OPPORTUNITY ASSUMING WE MOVE FORWARD.

I DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE REALTOR HERE TODAY WHO IS LISTING THAT PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE STILL ELDERLY PATIENTS LIVING IN THE BUILDING.

AND I, THE TWO OF US, WE JUST DIDN'T THINK WE WANTED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH THIS HOME BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING THERE.

BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN BE VIEWED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SELLER AND AND THE THE AGENT.

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AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE LECTERN? THIS IS PETE SHERRILL, AND HE IS THE THE BROKER HANDLING THIS PROPERTY.

BUT THE PROPERTY IS ROUGHLY 4500FT.

CORRECT. HEATED AND COOLED INDOORS IS 4500 A LITTLE OVER? YES. SO I DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE LEARNED IN DISCOVERY AND LISTENING TO OUR CITIZENS EARLIER, EARLIER, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON A VISUAL, SO WE'LL NEED AN APPRAISAL THEN WE'LL NEED A SECOND APPRAISAL.

BUT OBSERVATION IS THE BUILDING IS IN REASONABLY GOOD CONDITION, I BELIEVE.

ALTHOUGH DID YOU CONFIRM IS IT CONCRETE? BLOCK THE WE CAN VERIFY THAT VIA INSPECTION.

I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S CONCRETE.

BLOCK AND I THINK, BILL, YOU YOU THOUGHT THE SAME THING BECAUSE OF THE THICKNESS OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS.

IT'S GOT HOW MANY BATHROOMS IN IT? SIX, SIX BATHROOMS, KITCHEN LIVING AREAS, MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AS WELL.

AND THERE ARE IT'S BEEN BEING USED AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.

THEY HAVE THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN WEANED OUT OVER TIME.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO TWO LEFT RIGHT NOW.

WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS IT WILL BE COMPLETELY VACANT.

YEAH. IS THE INTENTION AT LEAST.

SO WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ROOM? ROOM. I CAN GET YOU A FLOOR PLAN.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SO SHORT ON MEETING SPACE.

YOU KNOW, THIS ROOM IS BOOKED, LIKE, JUST ABOUT EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK AND ALL WE HAVE, OUR ONLY OTHER CHOICE ARE THE TWO, YOU KNOW? SO, IF WE NEEDED MORE MEETING SPACE, COULD WE? IS THERE A BIG ENOUGH ROOM? CAN WE KNOCK DOWN SOME WALLS AND MAKE A SECOND MEETING? YES. AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO LARGER AREAS NOW THAT ARE BEING USED AS A LIVING ROOM.

IT'S LIKE A TV ROOM AND ALSO A DINING AREA.

THERE'S A KITCHEN IN IT AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE KITCHEN BE NICE TO HAVE.

BUT TO TO REALLY ANSWER WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, IT IS VERY CHOPPED UP WITH SMALLER ROOMS. SO YOU HAVE TWO LARGER ROOMS. THE FIRST ONE WHEN YOU RIGHT WHEN YOU WALK IN.

VERY NICE. WHEN I SAW THAT, I WAS SO PLEASED.

I'M THINKING THE REST OF THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE JUST LIKE THIS.

BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS CHOPPED UP INTO SMALLER OFFICES.

BUT ONCE YOU KNOW THE STRUCTURAL MAKEUP OF THAT BUILDING, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO AMEND THAT.

SO THE BUILDING IS IT'S DATED.

IT WILL NEED SOME SOME REMODELING OR RENOVATION.

MY QUESTION AND STAY THERE FOR A MINUTE, DID WE EVER OR DO YOU HAVE A STRONG THIS IS TO BILL KILLINGSWORTH, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO THE FUNGIBILITY OF THE $500,000 GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED FOR DONNER PARK, FOR THE BAKER CENTER? MR. MAYOR, I DON'T AT THIS POINT.

I KNOW DARRYL JOSEPH, WHO'S THE PARKS DIRECTOR, BUT I'VE HELD OFF ON ASKING UNTIL WE GOT DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION.

OKAY. UM, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO STATE IT AGAIN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ASSUMING WE CHOOSE TO.

I SEE AN ADDITIONAL VALUE OF HAVING THIS BUILDING IN ACTUALLY GIVING RELIEF TO PARKING AT DONNER PARK.

SO, AT THE BAKER CENTER SITE, I WAS THERE FOR THE FESTIVAL.

YEAH, YOU WERE THERE, AND COMMISSIONER RING WAS THERE FOR THE FESTIVAL, AND IT WAS PACKED, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SPLASH PAD YET.

IT WAS PACKED AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE FOUR ADDITIONAL PICKLEBALL COURTS YET.

SO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLOAD ON PARKING.

AND I REALIZE THE MONEY WAS ADVOCATED AND REQUESTED FOR THAT SITE, BUT I BET YOU WE'LL FIND OUT WE COULD MOVE THAT MONEY.

THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DO WE WHEN MUST WE USE IT? BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK, BILL, THAT WAS IN THE WRITE UP REQUESTING THAT GRANT WAS TO EXPAND THE BAKER CENTER FOR SENIOR FACILITY. AND SO, IF THIS BUILDING, WHICH WE CALL HOME AWAY, IT'S ACTUALLY FIRST STREET.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT CLEAR, IT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE AMERICAN LEGION AND ADJACENT TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

SO THAT BUILDING, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD ENVISION AND THAT THE CITIZENS WOULD SUPPORT THIS VISION OF THAT BEING A COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT ALSO A FOCUS ON SENIORS AND VETERANS.

AND SO THEN TO MY POINT, WE WOULD GIVE RELIEF TO DONNER PARK AND WOULD JUSTIFY USING THE MONEY TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING INSTEAD OF RENOVATING THE BAKER CENTER.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

AND I WHAT I'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT, AND WE DIDN'T PUT A SEPARATE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

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BUT I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

AND THEN WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, NOT UNLIKE THE DORA DRIVE PROJECT, CONTINUE OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON WHAT WE THINK IT WOULD COST FOR RENOVATIONS AND HOW WOULD WE FUND IT.

NOW, THE FUNDING MECHANISM THAT'S THERE.

BILL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS OTHER THAN SIMPLY USING OUR EXCESS RESERVES.

MR. MAYOR, WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO EXPLORE.

OKAY. IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT? THIS IS I JUST THINK THIS IS A SUPER INVESTMENT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT LOCATION MATTERS AND IT HAPPENS TO BE IN A GREAT LOCATION FOR US.

QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THE SELLER WOULD BE WELL SERVED TO SELL IT TO THE CITY VERSUS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.

AND MR. CHERYL, I DON'T PRESUME TO KNOW WHAT THE SELLER COULD GET FOR IT, BUT I THINK THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS THE CITY.

AND I THINK AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING STORE FRONTAGE ON A MAIN HIGHWAY, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT DESIRABLE FOR AN INVESTOR.

BUT IT COULD BE A GREAT AD FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WE ALL GOT EMAILS FROM MR. JEVIC AND JUST HE'S BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE OF VETERANS HERE.

I REALLY WANTED TO HIM TO HEAR WHERE WE ARE AND THAT WE'RE ALL, I THINK, ON BOARD.

AND IT'S A PERFECT PLACE TO HAVE A SENIOR CENTER AND VETERANS CENTER.

IT REALLY IS. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.

SO, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED TO WRITE A CONTRACT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

YOU HAVE THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS, PETE.

RIGHT. OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

OH, WE DIDN'T GET TO EVERYBODY.

OH, SORRY. ONE REQUEST.

THAT WAS IT. COMMISSIONER RING.

COMMISSIONER WATERS THREW ME OFF TRACK THERE.

THREW ME OFF. CALL ME FIRST.

I LIKE COMMISSIONER RING.

WELL, I THINK COMMISSIONER WATERS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING ON MY LIST WAS ALMOST HOME.

SO, WE'RE GOOD? I'M GOOD. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLE GOT A QUICK SHORT LIST.

STEVE GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION LAST THURSDAY ON RESILIENCY AND REALLY PUT UP SOME EYE OPENING SLIDES.

IT WAS A GOOD TURNOUT IF YOU GET A CHANCE.

IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THREW HIM THE SOFTBALL ABOUT RESILIENCY BECAUSE HE HE'S WELL VERSED IN THAT AND WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HIM ON THE STAFF, IN MY OPINION.

AND YOU WERE THERE.

YOU SAW NUMBER TWO PAVING AND STRIPING.

I'VE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON OUR PAVERS AND OUR STRIPERS.

I'VE STOPPED A FEW OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS OUT THERE.

I THINK THEY'RE DOING A NICE JOB.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE SEE EVERY DAY.

IT'S LIKE GARBAGE. YOU GOT TO GET THAT RIGHT.

AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING THAT.

MAYOR, ONE ADDITIONAL TODAY.

AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR AN ALASKA NATIVE CORPORATION, IT'S REALLY NATIONAL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY.

YES. THANK YOU.

SO THAT COVERS IT.

YEAH. WELL, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE, RIGHT, IT'S NOT JUST COLUMBUS, IT'S THE WHOLE DEAL.

SO, THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT VIEW, BELIEVE ME OF THAT.

UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I'VE GOT BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY MEETING TOMORROW.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INPUT ON THAT.

I KNOW, MARY, YOU TALKED ABOUT PARKING.

I'LL BRING THAT UP AGAIN.

WHAT ABOUT THE AWNINGS? MY ONLY QUESTION TO THE AWNINGS.

OKAY. THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT ONE.

OKAY. I'LL TRY TO GET SOME ANSWERS.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT.

SO CAN CROSS HOME AWAY FROM MY LIST.

AND I CAN ALSO CROSS OFF THIS.

WELL, THE SALON SERIES.

SO, SOME OF YOU EXPERIENCE HOW VALUABLE IT WAS TO HEAR STEVE SPEAK AND I GUESS IF YOU HADN'T BEEN WITH HIM THE WHOLE TIME, IT WAS NICE TO SEE IT ALL PUT TOGETHER IN ONE PACKAGE.

SO, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO COME TO THE SALON SERIES OR AT LEAST WATCH THEM BECAUSE SARAH HAS GOTTEN SOME REALLY AWESOME SPEAKERS AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN RELEVANT TO US IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

SO JUST THAT UP.

ALL RIGHT. SO MY BIG ONE IS PARKS PLAN.

I'VE BEEN THE LIAISON WITH THE SC FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S PART OF THEIR PLAN AND IT'S PART OF PARKS AND REC.

SO I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN, LIKE AS THE OLD TIMER UP HERE, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PARKS PLAN? WE DID THIS PARKS PLAN WITH FIRST STARTING OUT WITH A TOTAL INVENTORY OF EVERYTHING WAS IN ALL OF OUR PARKS AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE 19 PARKS.

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PEOPLE CAME IN HERE AND WROTE ON THE FLIP CHARTS AND MADE THEIR THEIR DREAM LISTS, OKAY? AND THE STAFF WENT TO A LOT OF WORK TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

AND THE PLAN THAT YOU CAN FIND ON THE WEBSITE.

AND THEN THIS COMMISSION ADOPTED THE PLAN AND IT GOT IT GOT FED INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN OF WHAT THINGS WE COULD AFFORD, ONE WHICH IS HOW WE GOT THE SPLASH PAD.

AND SO IT'S A PLAN.

IT'S NOT CARVED IN STONE.

AND WE'VE HAD MANY MIDDLE AGED MEN WHO WORK FROM HOME COMING IN HERE AND TELLING US THAT WE NEED MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

OKAY, SO PICKLEBALL IS A PARKS AND REC THING AND IT IS TIME FOR THE PICKLEBALL PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND COME TO THE PARKS, PLAN CHARETTES AND OPEN HOUSES AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.

NOW, WHEN WE MADE THAT PLAN, WE HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS ON MIND, AND ONE OF THEM IS EQUITABLE SPENDING ACROSS ALL PARTS OF TOWN AND THAT WE'RE SERVING THE PEOPLE OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

SO WE'VE DONE STUFF FOR KIDS.

WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE FEATURES IN AS MANY PARKS AS AS WE HAVE SO FAR.

AND SO IF WE NEED MORE OF THOSE, WE NEED TO HEAR THAT.

IF WE NEED MORE SENIORS INPUTS, WE NEED TO HEAR THAT.

AND AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING LARGE LIKE PICKLEBALL, WHAT DID WE SACRIFICE? WHAT GOES AWAY, WHICH WHICH IS THE GREATER GOOD FOR ALL OF THE CITY? SO NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO COME AND TELL US HOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE PARK PLAN.

AND THAT'S THE LAST THING ON MY LIST.

OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM ME.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE ITEM SIX, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

FIRST, I'LL READ ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL THIS OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO READ THE THE ITEM.

THIS IS APPROVED? YEAH. APPROVED. THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AMONG CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH.

CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH.

AND THE COMMANDER OF THE US NAVAL STATION MAYPORT AND US NAVY FOR CONDUCT OF THE FOR CONDUCT OF THE SEA AND SKY AIR SHOW AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT.

THIS, BY THE WAY, EARLIER TODAY WE ONLY HAD HALF THE AGREEMENT IN THE ATTACHMENT.

IT'S ALL IN THERE. IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT EVERY OTHER PAGE WAS MISSING.

SO IT'S THERE. HOPEFULLY, IF YOU NEED IT TO, YOU READ IT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE. WE APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL ON THE SEA AND SKY.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. NOW ON TO RESOLUTION.

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 23-38]

RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.

REPEALING AND REPLACING RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-20, ESTABLISHING THE SAFETY TRAFFIC AND PARKING COMMITTEE, ADOPTING THE COMMITTEE PURPOSE, ADOPTING CERTAIN PROVISIONS GOVERNING THE COMMITTEE, ESTABLISHING CITY STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

BEFORE LOOK FOR A MOTION, LET ME EXPLAIN.

WE HAVE RECEIVED THE RESIGNATION OF THE CURRENT COMMITTEE CHAIR, KEN CAUDLE.

HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY ON THAT COMMITTEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP HIM ON THE COMMITTEE.

AS YOU RECALL, HE WAS MY SELECTION.

BUT I DON'T WISH TO REENTER THE PROCESS OF APPOINTING THE NEXT CHAIR.

I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS JUST FINE ON THEIR OWN.

AND SO THE THE CHANGE IN THAT THAT RESOLUTION IS TO ALLOW THAT COMMITTEE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THEIR OWN CHAIR. AND IF YOU AGREE TO THAT TODAY, WE WILL ACTUALLY ACCEPT HIS FORMAL RESIGNATION.

KEN CAUDLE'S FORMAL RESIGNATION.

AT THE NEXT MEETING, HE WILL TURN OVER THE MEETING TO THE VICE CHAIR, WHICH IS FRED JONES, WHO WILL THEN CONDUCT THE PROCESS OF TAKING NOMINATIONS AND A VOTE TO REPLACE THE CHAIR.

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I THINK WE'RE GOOD. NO, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE WAS THE MAYOR'S PICK WAS BY AUTOMATION.

THE CHAIR. SO THIS IS JUST CLEANING IT UP TO ALLOW THE COMMITTEE TO PICK THE CHAIR.

SO, DO WE NEED TO GIVE THE MAYOR ANOTHER PICK? YEAH. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT. NO, I, LOOK, I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAN DO THE JOB THEY NEED TO DO.

THEY JUST NEED TO PICK A NEW CHAIR.

I THINK WE'RE FINE. OKAY, FINE.

THANK YOU. BUT I MEAN, THE OTHER WAY, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WRITE.

LOADED MYSELF ON THAT ONE.

OKAY. SO, THE RECOMMENDED MOTION, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CHANGE ONE THING, THAT WAS AN ERROR.

A TYPO IN IT IS ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 23-38 WITH AN AMENDMENT TO REPLACE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SO, IF YOU DIDN'T READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT, WE LEFT AN OLD REFERENCE TO CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH SAFETY, TRAFFIC AND PARKING COMMITTEE IN SECTION SEVEN.

SO, THE MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THIS THIS CORRECTION AND SPECIFICALLY WITH THE AMENDMENT TO REPLACE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH SAFETY TRAFFIC AND PARKING COMMITTEE IN SECTION SEVEN.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 23-38? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 23-45]

NUMBER 0016010572-82-00.

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL HAVE LATRINA THOMAS COME UP.

I BELIEVE SHE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE A MEMBER FROM ARC AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE SELECTIONS.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSION AND MAYOR, AS WELL AS OUR CITY MANAGER.

SO BASICALLY, LISA, I'M GOING TO HAVE LISA GOODRICH, WHICH IS OUR ARC COMMITTEE MEMBER.

SHE HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB WITH ALIGNING THE WORKSHOP WITH THE GRANT PROGRAM AND THE PROCESS.

SHE'S DONE A FABULOUS JOB FROM HER EXPERTISE SIDE AND OFFERING A GREAT WAY TO IMPLEMENT, TO SCORE, AS WELL AS TO HOLD GRANT GRANTEES ACCOUNTABLE FOR APPLYING FOR CITY FUNDING.

SO, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LISA.

HELLO, I'M LISA GOODRICH.

I AM IN MY SECOND SEASON ON THE ARTS RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE.

I GUESS I STARTED THE SAME TIME LATRINA TOOK THE JOB AND WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES.

WE BROUGHT SOME STRUCTURE TO THE WHOLE PROCESS.

WE FORMALIZED THE APPLICATION, PUT EVERYTHING ONLINE AND.

AS A GROUP MET SEVERAL TIMES TO TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BEING, YOU KNOW, GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS OF THE OF THE TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS.

THE VERY FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS WE DEVELOPED A GIANT LIST, A HUGE SPREADSHEET THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMING.

INCLUDING THE GRANTS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS, THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN, NUMBERS OF PEOPLE SERVED WHAT IS HAPPENING, SO THAT WHEN WE ASK FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS, WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND FILL SOME HOLES WHERE WE FEEL WE NEED TO UPGRADE SOME SERVICES THERE. ONE THING I DO WANT TO BE I WANT TO MENTION IN THE 2022 PRIORITY SETTING THAT THE COMMISSION DID. LIVABILITY WAS FIRST AND FOREMOST AND STRONG WITHIN LIVABILITY WAS PROVIDING ARTS AND CULTURE AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

LIVABILITY WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE 2023 PRIORITY SETTING THAT THE COMMISSION DID, BUT I ASSUME IT'S STILL A PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ABOUT THE $75,000 THAT WE DISTRIBUTE, AND I'D LIKE TO

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AND THERE ARE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ENJOY THE PROGRAMING THAT BENEFIT FROM THE GRANTS THAT WE DISTRIBUTE.

AND THE $75,000, I BELIEVE, IS LIKE ONE TENTH OF 1% OF THE CITY BUDGET.

SO, THIS WHAT WE LEARNED IN THIS LAST YEAR, ASIDE FROM GOING THROUGH THE THE GRANT PROCESS ONLINE, THE APPLICANTS HAD TO ANSWER FIVE QUESTIONS THAT IF THEY IN ANY WAY ANSWERED NO TO ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS, THEN THEY JUST WERE KICKED OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND THEY THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GO ON.

IF THEN THEY HAD TO COME TO US, IF THEY MADE IT THROUGH THAT THEY HAD TO FILL OUT THIS ONLINE PROCESS TELLING US WHO THEY WERE GOING TO SERVE.

WAS THERE ANY COST TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT PARTICIPATED? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID NO.

THERE WAS NO COST.

HOW MANY ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS WERE SERVED? WHERE ARE THEY DOING THIS? HAD THEY TALKED TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JIVE WITH WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING? AND THEY HAD TO COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.

THEY DID ALL THAT.

WE DELIBERATED AND SCORED BASED ON THEIR WRITTEN APPLICATION, BASED ON LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN THEIR PRESENTATION DISTRIBUTED THE MONEY.

AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT THEY HAD TO PERFORM THEIR PROGRAMING, WE ASKED FOR A PROGRESS REPORT, I THINK IT WAS IN JUNE.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE BEFORE THEY COULD REAPPLY FOR THIS NEXT GRANT CYCLE, THEY HAD TO SUBMIT A FINAL REPORT WHERE THEY HAD TO VERIFY ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY SPENT. THEY HAD TO VERIFY THE NUMBERS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS SERVED AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK FROM DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS OUR FIRST YEAR OF KIND OF GETTING IT ALL TOGETHER.

AND WE LOOKED AT SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE.

AND ONE AREA SPECIFICALLY THAT WE THINK WE CAN IMPROVE WAS SPECIFIC VERBIAGE IN OUR GRANT AWARD LETTER, OUR CONTRACT, IF YOU WILL, WHEN WE GIVE THE MONEY TO THE RECIPIENT THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES WHEN THEY NEED TO, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND THE GRANT THAT THEY SUBMITTED WHEN THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR PROJECT OR PROGRAM COMPLETED BY.

PREVIOUS. THE LETTER JUST SAID IT HAD TO BE COMPLETED IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO, I KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE ONE ORGANIZATION THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND KEPT PUTTING OFF AND PUTTING OFF AND PUTTING OFF THEIR PROGRAMING AND THEN THEY GOT IT IN AT THE 11TH HOUR, THEIR PROGRAM.

AND IT WASN'T AS SUCCESSFUL.

THEY WILL NOT BE AWARDED ANOTHER GRANT IN THE FUTURE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

EACH ONE OF US ON THE GRANT COMMITTEE ACTS AS A LIAISON WITH A RECIPIENT.

SO, WE GO AND OBSERVE THEIR PROGRAMING.

WE ARE THEIR CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE PROCESS.

AND WHEN WE SCORE FOR REPEAT APPLICANTS, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THE LIAISONS.

WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THEIR PROGRESS AND FINAL REPORTS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT THAT WAY, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.

CAN WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS? SURE. AND WE'RE ON IT.

SO, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE EACH ONE OF THE GRANTS THAT WE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AND RECIPIENTS BEFORE YOU AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD PLEASE APPROVE THOSE BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THEY'LL BE OF A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ENHANCING WHAT WE DO.

THANK YOU, LISA, FOR COMING.

I JUST WANT TO PLUG THIS.

I AM THE LIAISON FOR ARC, AND I DID WATCH OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SIX MONTHS THEIR PROCESS, WHICH IS VERY INTENSE AND DETAILED AND HOLDING, NOT ONLY I GOT TO SEE THE TAIL END OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO FUND WITH THIS GRANT COME AND PRESENT.

AND THEN I WATCHED THE START OF THOSE WHO CAME TO PRESENT TO YOUR GRANT PROGRAM AND IN HOPES OF RECEIVING THE GRANTS AGAIN. SO AS FAR AS PUBLIC COMMENT GOES WITH MR. HARRELL, IT IS A VETTED AND LONG, EXTENSIVE PROCESS.

AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN THERE WITH MAYPORT MIDDLE AND THE GARDEN AND WATCHING THAT GO IN AS WELL.

SO, JUST A GOOD EXAMPLE OF MONEY WELL SPENT.

THANK YOU. OF THE 75,000, 30,000 GOES TO THE SCHOOLS SO A SCHOOL CAN APPLY FOR UP TO $10,000.

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AND THEN THE REST IS GIVEN OUT IN GRANTS UP TO $5,000.

NOW, IF A GRANT RECIPIENT IS ONLY AWARDED $1,000, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REASONS WHY THAT HAPPENED AND IF, YOU KNOW, UP TO $5,000.

SO AGAIN, BEING THE OLD TIMER HERE, WE STARTED THIS MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS SEVEN YEARS AGO AND ESSENTIALLY COPYING THE MODEL THAT'S USED AT THE BEACHES RESOURCE CENTER, WHERE THEY GAVE GRANTS TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT THEIR MISSION.

AND SO, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU'VE GONE ONLINE AND B, THAT YOU'RE STILL REFINING IT BECAUSE IT IS CUMBERSOME, AND IT IS A BIG COMMITMENT, AND WE ARE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING OUR MONEY'S WORTH.

SO, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS A LOT.

THANK YOU. IT WAS FUN.

YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH LIVABILITY IS NOT LISTED ON OUR PRIORITIES FOR 2023, THIS DOES FALL IN LINE WITH SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE SET LAST YEAR.

FOR ONE, DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING A COMPREHENSIVE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, ENHANCING SENIOR SERVICE PROGRAM AND OUTREACH TO SENIORS EXPLORING ALLIANCES WITH CHILD SERVICES AND ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS A HUGE HELP WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

BUT AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM PROGRAMING AND ENSURING THAT THE PROGRAM HAS QUALIFIED EDUCATORS ON STAFF AND SERVING AS VOLUNTEERS, FOSTERING PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE, OR YOUR ARC AND LATRINA DO WELL AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT GRANT PROGRAM STAYS.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GIVING BACK TO NOT I KNOW MY OWN CHILDREN; MY OWN FAMILY HAS BENEFITED ON WITH MULTIPLE OF YOUR PROGRAMS JUST OVER WHAT IS IT? WAS IT LAST WEEKEND OR THE WEEKEND BEFORE LAST OF THE FALL FESTIVAL AND THE FACE PAINTING? I MEAN, THAT SHE DOES EVERYTHING FOR FREE AND SHE WAS THERE A GOOD HOUR AFTER IT CLOSED.

SO, AND JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR.

FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I WANT TO THANK LISA GOODRICH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THIS CITY AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THIS CITY FOR SO LONG.

I'VE KNOWN LISA FOR SEVERAL DECADES, MAYBE LONGER, AND THAT SHE MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE THAT SHE WAS A LITTLE GIRL.

THAT WAS TEN. BUT I AM SO IMPRESSED ON YOUR CHECKS AND BALANCES AND ASKING FOR REPORTING.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS SERVED, AND I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR REPORTING JUST TO BE BETTER INFORMED.

SURE. AND MAYBE WE COULD SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND.

ABSOLUTELY, BUT YOU KIND OF ANSWERED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD BY SAYING THAT.

BUT WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE VARIOUS THINGS, WHETHER IT'S YOGA OR WHATEVER IT IS, THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO ATLANTIC BEACH.

RESIDENTS LIKE SOMEBODY FROM JACKSONVILLE CAN COME OR NOT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S RIGHT. JUST LIKE SOMEBODY FROM, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE CAN COME AND PLAY PICKLEBALL AT DONNER PARK.

OF COURSE. YEAH. SO, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT WE ARE PRETTY PARTICULAR ABOUT HOW MANY ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS ARE SERVED.

AND WE GIVE THOSE PROGRAMS EXTRA WEIGHT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH, THANK YOU. AND SO, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

MAYBE TWO.

I DON'T PRESUME TO BE THE EXPERT ON THE SELECTION.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DOING IT.

RIGHT. BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ON THE FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL BAND.

AND LET ME BE CLEAR, I'M AN ALUMNUS OF FLETCHER, SO I SUPPORT FLETCHER.

BUT THAT'S 10,000.

DID WE GIVE THEM 10,000 FOR THE BAND LAST YEAR? WE DID. SO, IS THIS GOING TO BE A RECURRING? BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.

IT'S GROSSLY UNDERFUNDED.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT THAT LEADS ME TO A THIS IS GOING TO BE A TWO-PART QUESTION.

IS THIS GOING TO BE A CONTINUING PIECE? AND ARE THE OTHER TWO BEACH CITIES PARTICIPATING? LIKEWISE. I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT IS MY FIRST QUESTION TO EVERY APPLICANT.

HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION OR FUNDING DO YOU RECEIVE FROM JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND NEPTUNE BEACH? AND 100% OF THE APPLICANTS SAY NOTHING.

YES, WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT DOES THIS.

WHEN WE WROTE THE GRANT APPLICATION AND MADE KIND OF REFINED IT AND PUT SOME GUIDE RAILS AND SO FORTH ON IT.

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THAT IF THERE WILL COME A TIME THAT YOU WILL BE WEANED OFF OF THIS GRANT.

SO DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE GOING ON FOREVER.

I BELIEVE FLETCHER BAND HAS ONLY BEEN FUNDED FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS.

WE PUT FIVE YEARS ON IT.

WE SAID IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN FUNDED FOR FIVE YEARS, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FIND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

THERE WERE THREE ORGANIZATIONS, REALLY VERY VALUABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO A GREAT JOB REPORTING.

THEY SERVE LOTS OF PEOPLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BELOVED.

THOSE THREE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN FUNDED FOR FIVE YEARS.

SO THIS YEAR, ALL THREE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAD THEIR FUNDING CUT IN HALF OR SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING.

AND THIS WILL GO OUT IN THEIR LETTER WITH THEIR GRANT, WHY IT WAS DECREASED BECAUSE NORMALLY WE WERE JUST GIVING THEM THE $5,000 BECAUSE THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB.

SO TELLING THEM THAT HAD ONE OF THEM.

NOW DIAL-A-RIDE DOESN'T APPLY.

SO I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT YOU BE CLEAR WITH THEM THAT THEY MAY LOSE THAT FUNDING OR PART OF IT SOONER THAN FIVE YEARS.

HOWEVER, BEING THE FLETCHER ALUMNI THAT I AM, I'M GOING TO LOBBY MAYOR HOFFMAN AND ASK HER TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM HERE.

I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT NEPTUNE BEACH BASED ON ON THEIR NEEDS AND SO ON.

BUT BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE PARTICIPATION.

AND IT'S I'M NOT A BELIEVER THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO PONY UP THE SAME NUMBER, BUT WE ALL NEED TO BE ENGAGED.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, HOFFMAN IS ALSO AN ALUMNI OF FLETCHER.

SO. SO, LISA, IS IT NOT 10,000 PER EACH SCHOOL, THOUGH? ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

10,000. I'M SORRY.

MAYPORT MIDDLE 10,000 AND FLETCHER MIDDLE.

THOSE ARE OUR THREE FEEDER SCHOOLS.

SO THAT'S THE MOST THAT A SCHOOL CAN ASK FOR IS 10,000.

THEY MIGHT NOT GET 10,000, BUT THEY CAN ASK FOR THAT REALLY GREAT JOB IN REPORTING.

SO I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ON ANY OF THESE REQUESTS.

DID WE GIVE ANYBODY MORE THAN WHAT THEY ASKED FOR? THERE WAS.

YES. YES, WE DID.

THE ANSWER IS YES.

POSSIBILITIES PLUS SERVES A POPULATION THAT IS TERRIBLY UNDERSERVED.

YOUNG ADULTS THAT HAVE SEVERE DISABILITIES.

IT'S A THEY HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED SOCIABILITY PLUS, AND IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC IN A WAY.

AND THEY'RE MAKING GREAT STRIDES.

AND THEY'RE NOT ONLY ARE THEY SERVING ATLANTIC BEACH.

PEOPLE THERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH BUSINESS, THEY HAVE A THRIFT STORE AND THE WHOLE THING, THEY ASKED FOR AN ODD NUMBER.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LIKE $4,367 AND WE ROUNDED UP TO $5,000 BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB.

AND THEY REALLY MADE A CASE FOR THE NEED FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE ASKING.

AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS THERE'S NO OTHER SERVICES FOR THAT GROUP.

THERE'S NO OTHER SERVICES FOR THAT GROUP.

NO, NO.

SO, WHILE WE'RE GROWING IN THIS ARC, SO TALKING ABOUT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, I LIKE THE IDEA.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING VERBALLY, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE A PRESENTATION, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, I ALREADY HAVE SEEN BEING IN THE ARC AND BEING YOUR LIAISON, I HAVE SEEN ALL THE PROCESS.

BUT TO EXPLAIN THAT NOT JUST TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT TO PUBLIC AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, STARTING THIS IS THE DAY WE STARTED THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS WHAT OUR APPLICATION LOOKS LIKE.

SO REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE A LISA THING SO MUCH IT WOULD BE LATRINA CREATING THAT THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

SO, WE CAN SEE, AND I DO APPRECIATE HOW IT'S ALL LISTED HERE IN THE AGENDA, BUT HAVING A HAVING THAT PRESENTATION LAID OUT SO THEY CAN ALL SEE NOT JUST THE PUBLIC BUT THE COMMISSION AS WELL, YOUR PROCESS AND THE APPLICATION.

THIS IS THE SNAPSHOT OF THE APPLICATION, AND THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED.

THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE LINK ON, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THE SPECIFICS OF THIS IS WHAT FLETCHER MIDDLE SCHOOL DID, YOU KNOW, EVEN UPDATING THE COMMISSION AND ON EACH OF THE FUNDS AND WHERE IT WENT TO AND WHO ALL IS SERVED.

SO ATLANTIC I KNOW THAT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THAT NUMBER HOW MANY ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS WERE SERVED VERSUS YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF AB BUT JUST LIKE THE PICKLEBALL COURT THAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM ATLANTIC BEACH ARE ACTUALLY USING THAT?

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SO, HAVING THAT PRESENTATION AND JUST A A SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR GROWTH IN THAT BECAUSE I SEE IT BEING THAT LIAISON, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE SEES THAT THAT WORK IS DONE, THE VETTING IS DONE.

WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ENLIGHTENING EVERYONE AND THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

THANK YOU, MRS. GOODRICH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT RESOLUTION 23-45.

SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I HAVE ONE. ONE DISCUSSION POINT.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS AND WE HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN 100% TO ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

BUT CHILDREN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN GO TO NEPTUNE BEACH AND WE'VE NOT GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO SUPPORTING SOMETHING OVER THERE EXCEPT FOR THE THE THE MUSIC PROGRAM THAT SUPPORTS ATLANTIC BEACH KIDS AS AS WELL AS EVEN MAYPORT.

I DON'T IS MAYPORT ELEMENTARY DOES THAT FEED FROM US.

ANY OF OUR KIDS GO THERE? DON'T KNOW. THERE MIGHT BE A SLIVER THAT DOES.

MIGHT AS WELL ASK LISA GOODRICH.

DID NEPTUNE BEACH MAKE A REQUEST? OKAY. BUT SO IF I'M HEARING THIS CORRECTLY, WE KIND OF ALREADY DECIDED THAT WE WERE.

WELL, YEAH, NO, I JUST.

AS A MATTER OF POLICY, PERHAPS WE.

MAYBE WE NEED TO LIAISON WITH NEPTUNE BEACH AND SAY WHAT? WHAT CAN WE CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WOULD THE SUPPORT.

HERE SHE COMES. TELL US.

TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH MISS KAVANAGH, AND USUALLY WHEN WE START THE GRANT CYCLE, I WILL SEND AN EMAIL OUT AND SAYING, HEY, IF THE SCHOOL NEEDS FUNDING, WE ALSO CONTACT SEASIDE CHARTER SCHOOL AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE.

I DON'T THINK OF THEM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH. SO, THEY DO GET THE INFORMATION.

I MEAN, WE OFFER IT.

IT'S UP TO THEM IF THEY BITE IT.

SO BUT WE DO OFFER WHEN WE START THAT PROCESS, WE DO.

OKAY. SO A MATTER OF POLICY, WE WILL OFFER THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT OUR KIDS ATTEND TO.

AND IF ATLANTIC BEACH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ANSWERS, THEN WE GIVE IT TO THEM.

SO WE DON'T GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE OURS.

WE GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ASK AND THEY APPLY AND THEY GO THROUGH THAT.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LIKE JUST A QUICK STATEMENT, IS IT LAST YEAR FOR ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, YOU KNOW? PARENTS GET TOGETHER FUNDRAISING FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.

I MENTIONED THAT TO ANNE.

DON'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME.

NEPTUNE. YES. AND I THINK IT JUST NEVER TOOK OFF.

FRIENDS OF FRIENDS OF NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY.

IT NEVER REALLY TOOK OFF.

AND WHERE PARENTS COME TOGETHER, FUNDRAISING NEVER TOOK OFF FOR THEM.

I HAVEN'T HEARD.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

AND ELENA BEACH REACHES OUT WHEN THEY NEED MONEY.

AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS WHEN MY KIDS WERE THERE.

THEY HAVE A LOT MORE RESOURCES NOW, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO NEPTUNE BEACH COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADDED SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.

A BIG FUNDRAISER FOR ELENA BEACH ELEMENTARY.

SO I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE THAT I'LL MAYBE REACH OUT TO SEE WHO'S ON THE PTA AND SEE.

AND THAT MIGHT GET SOME TRACTION FROM NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY.

YEAH, BECAUSE I WANT TO SHOW LOVE TO ALL OUR KIDS.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IF WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I OR UNANIMOUS.

WELL, THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, CITY ATTORNEY.

YOUR REPORT. NO REPORT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CITY CLERK, DONNA.

NO REPORT, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

REAL QUICK, MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT ATTENTION TO SOMETHING THAT I'M DELINQUENT IN.

WE TALKED ABOUT CODIFYING THE WAY COMMITTEES RUN.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT JUST CAME UP IS WHEN THE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN LEAVES.

I'M A PROPONENT OF LETTING THE COMMITTEE SELECT THEIR CHAIRMAN INTERNALLY.

I'M ALSO A PROPONENT OF WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND ESPECIALLY CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THAT WE ALL BE REPRESENTED INITIALLY BY OUR DISTRICTS.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO CODIFY THAT AND WRITE IT DOWN AND THEN AND THEN COME TO A VOTE.

SO I TOOK THAT ONE ON.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET TOGETHER WITH OUR HR AND CITY MANAGER AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMITTEES.

YEAH, I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO LISA.

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THEY DO IN MOST OF THE ORDINANCES THAT SETTLE OUR COMMITTEES.

IT IT TALKS ABOUT SELECTING THE THE OFFICERS FOR THE COMMITTEE.

SO JUST DIDN'T.

OH, YEAH. WELL, SO WE NEED TO FIX THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER RING? NOTHING. WATERS.

WANT TO WELCOME BILL KILLINGSWORTH.

JUST FINISHED HIS FIRST COMMISSION MEETING.

GLAD TO HAVE HIM HERE. NOT DONE YET.

AND YES, THANK YOU, LISA, FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR THIS TOWN AND KNOW YACHT FOR YEARS.

UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE AIR SHOW.

SO THAT'S IT? UH, MR. CITY MANAGER. WELL, THIS IS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH AND TOMORROW ALL STAFF ARE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR SOMETHING PINK.

THOSE WHO DO WEAR SOMETHING PINK ARE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO SHOW UP AT 815.

COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE ALSO INVITED AND THERE WILL BE A GROUP PHOTO.

I'LL CLOSE IT OUT.

I'M GOING TO FINISH ON AN ITEM THAT'S CALLED DECORUM.

WE USED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DECORUM THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK TO THE THE MAYOR FOR RECOGNITION TO SPEAK.

NOW, YOU'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING.

YOU'RE JUST BLASTING OFF.

SO IN THE FUTURE, I'M GOING TO GAVEL ANYBODY THAT SPEAKS OUT OF TURN.

YOU CAN LOOK TO THE MAYOR AND I WILL GIVE YOU A NOD OR I WILL ACTUALLY SAY, GO AHEAD.

BUT PLEASE, LET'S LET'S TRY TO GET SOME DECORUM.

I THINK COMMISSIONER BULL WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

NOT THROWING THAT ON YOU, COMMISSIONER.

BUT ANYWAYS, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.