COMMISSIONER RING. OKAY, COMMISSIONER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
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OKAY. WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING IN JUST A MOMENT.BUT FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A INVOCATION AND PLEDGE LED BY COMMISSIONER RING.
GOOD. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH HUMBLE AND GRATEFUL HEARTS.
TEACH US TO NUMBER OUR DAYS ARIGHT, THAT WE MAY GAIN A HEART OF WISDOM.
FOR THE GOVERNMENT RESTS UPON YOUR SHOULDERS, OH WONDERFUL COUNSEL AND ALMIGHTY GOD.
FOR FROM YOU ARE ALL THINGS, AND TO YOU ARE ALL THINGS TO YOU BE THE GLORY FOREVER.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WELL, THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED MARCH 11TH, 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BOLE. PRESENT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT INTO THE MEETING.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM 1 IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, STARTING WITH ITEM 1A THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 30TH, 2023.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.
THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS SUBMITTED.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.AND WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE WE'LL ADHERE TO OUR NORMAL FIVE MINUTES.
SO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED A YELLOW SHEET, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT SO THAT WE YOU KNOW, KNOW WHO SPOKE TODAY, BUT BUT FIVE MINUTES I WILL NOT GAVEL YOU AT FIVE MINUTES IF YOU GO OVER, BUT I'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE RIGHT AFTER FIVE MINUTES.
SO DONNA, I'M GOING TO LET YOU LEAD US OFF, OKAY? [INAUDIBLE] KENDALL AND NEIL KING.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE HERE FOR LISTENING TO OUR ISSUE.
WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME NICE CONVERSATION WITH MAYOR FORD AND ALSO MR. WILLIAMS, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT WE BRING IT UP IN THE GENERAL MEETING AS WELL.
WE LIVE AT THE CORNER OF OCEAN AND 11TH STREET.
WE GOT OUR OCCUPANCY PERMIT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OF OUR NEW HOME.
WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO PUT IN RETENTION PONDS FOR THE FOR OUR PARTICULAR HOME TO MAINTAIN AS ATLANTIC BEACH IS A TERRIFIC RULE. YOU HAVE A HOUSE.
THE WATER IS TO STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AS MAYOR FORD AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED, OUR ISSUE IS THERE IS NO STORM DRAIN BETWEEN THE OCEAN AND OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS MAYBE A BLOCK AWAY AND ALL OF THE WATER FROM ABOVE US THE ELEVATION COMES DOWN.
AND WE DO HAVE VIDEO, WHICH WE'VE SHARED COMES DOWN AND COMES INTO WE HAVE TWO RETENTION PONDS IN THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND BASICALLY ROARS INTO OUR FRONT YARD, OUR TWO RETENTION PONDS, WHICH WORK BEAUTIFULLY, BUT THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED TO RETAIN ALL OF THE WATER FOR A BLOCK AND A HALF OF RAINWATER INTO OUR AREA.
THE ISSUE IS WE CANNOT DO ANY LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT WILL BE WASHED AWAY.
WE HAVE A DOG. WE THINK WE NEED THAT.
WE NEED TO GET LIFE PRESERVERS AT CERTAIN TIMES.
BUT WE HAVE A DOG THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OTHER NIGHT IN THE RAIN, AFTER ONCE IT CLEARED, WE DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO LET THE DOG OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY USES PESTICIDES. THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE ILLEGAL.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND TRULY THAT PEOPLE STILL USE PESTICIDES ON THEIR LAWN.THERE'S RUNOFF FROM THEIR ROOFS, AND ALL OF THAT COMES ROARING INTO OUR AREA.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT SHORT.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND MR. WILLIAMS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WHICH IS TERRIFIC.
AND THAT'S WHY WE LOVE ATLANTIC BEACH.
AND ALSO THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE GET SOME RESOLUTION FROM THE CITY AND OR SOME SUGGESTIONS OF HOW, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE RULES OF ATLANTIC BEACH, WHAT CAN WE DO TO RECTIFY THIS SITUATION? I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF I HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE AND A HALF OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR VIDEO, AND WE DO HAVE A VIDEO WHICH WE'VE SHARED AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'VE ALREADY SENT THAT TO MR. WILLIAMS AND WE'LL MAKE SURE AND AS MAYOR FORD HAS ALREADY STATED, HE SAYS, YOU BRING IT UP, I'LL FOLLOW UP.
AND WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WILL BE THE CASE.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING.
THANK, THANK YOU, MR. AND MRS. KING. THANK YOU.
HI. GOOD EVENING, JIM WHEATLEY 20087 MADEIRA COURT.
AND ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN AN ONGOING FOREVER.
PROBABLY THE THING THAT IRRITATES THE NEIGHBORS THE MOST IS THE FIVE WAY STOP.
IT'S A CONTINUOUS SOURCE OF PROBLEMS. I KNOW THAT I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THE CHIEF A FEW TIMES, AND EVERY TIME I DO, IT'S GREAT.
THE CHIEF ASSIGNS PEOPLE TO WATCH AND TICKET OR AT LEAST WARN DRIVERS OF BAD BEHAVIOR THERE.
BUT AS SOON AS THE POLICE ARE GONE, IT CONTINUES.
I SAW THREE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE STOP SIGN.
NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT JUST COAST RIGHT THROUGH IT.
AND THERE ARE MANY CARS FROM OTHER DIRECTIONS SITTING THERE WITH THESE CLOWNS DID THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
I'M THINKING MORE POLICE PRESENCE THERE WOULD THAT BE A BAD IDEA? I KNOW THAT OCCASIONALLY I WILL SEE AN OFFICER OR A, I GUESS, LIEUTENANT OR WHATEVER SITTING IN A SUBURBAN, YOU'RE DOING PAPERWORK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UP TO PERHAPS THEY COULD DO THAT RIGHT THERE.
PERHAPS THEY COULD PARK THEIR VEHICLE RIGHT THERE, OR THEY WENT BACK.
BICYCLES. YESTERDAY I WENT OUT FOR A COUPLE TIMES AND TWICE I HAD YOUNG PEOPLE WITH BIKES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OF SEMINOLE ROAD, FROM HERE DOWN TO ATLANTIC.
TWO TWO KIDS RIDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY WERE DOING 20 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY AFTERNOON THAT'S FINE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO GO ANY FASTER.
THE GUY BEHIND ME WAS REALLY GETTING ANTSY.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO CONTROL THESE BIKES.
I'M SEEING YOUNGER AND YOUNGER KIDS ON E-BIKES, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
THE PAST ADMINISTRATION SEEM TO THINK OF BIKES LIKE CARS.
AND EXCEPT THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT.
THEY CAN GO THROUGH STOP SIGNS AND WHATEVER.
BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO ROAD RIGHTS, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HOG THE ENTIRE ROAD.
I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT HOUSE BEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I THINK IT'S 275 FIFTH STREET.
IT SURE LOOKS LIKE THE FOOTPRINT OCCUPIES A WHOLE LOT MORE PERVIOUS AREA THAN ALLOWED.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT ADDRESS, SO I DIDN'T GET THE EXACT SPECS ON IT, BUT I THINK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT JUST LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT, THAT ITS FOOTPRINT IS LARGER THAN WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
THAT'S RIGHT DOWN FROM MY HOUSE.
WE BUILT THE HOUSE 35 YEARS AGO.
I HAVE YET TO SEE A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA.
I WILL TELL YOU, WE DID OWN A HOUSE IN JAX BEACH.
MY MOTHER IN LAW'S OWN HOUSE, IT WAS RIGHT ON A RETENTION POND.
AND THEY HAD A SEWER SUCKER TRUCK THAT WOULD DROP THE EXCESS INTO THE OCEAN.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT FROM THIS LOCATION.
APPARENTLY THE PUBLIC WORKS HAS PROPOSED SPENDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY FOR FOR A LARGE GENERATOR TO BE PUT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW I'M THINKING THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO DROP A GENERATOR IN.
APPARENTLY, TO CLEAR THE ROADWAY AND DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO TO PUT THE GENERATOR IN.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO SMALL GENERATORS.
I KNOW PART OF THE PLAN, APPARENTLY, IS BULKHEADS.
SO WHO'S GOING TO SEE THE BULKHEADS?
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IF THIS IS DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO EFFECTIVELY TAKE AWAY MORE OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES.IT JUST MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME.
APPARENTLY, THE ACCESS OFF OF SEMINOLE IS OBSCURED.
MAYBE IF YOU CLEANED THAT DITCH OUT AND PUBLIC WORKS DID THEIR JOB THERE, WE WOULDN'T NEED THIS.
BUT I SEE [INAUDIBLE] NO NEED FOR THROWING THROWING THAT MONEY AWAY.
IT. THE OTHER THING IS THE COST ESTIMATE ON THIS THING.
A $500,000 FOR A TWO FOOT WIDER ROAD.
THAT'S A WHOLE. AND IT'S NOT A VERY LONG ROAD.
I'M THINKING MAYBE A QUARTER MILE.
I THINK THAT OCCUPIES FOUR HOUSE LOTS, MAYBE FIVE.
AND THAT'S IT FOR ME THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. WHEATLEY.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO EVEN COME UP AND SPEAK TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE WE'RE TOO NEW TO JUST FINDING OUT WHAT THAT RESOLUTION ENCOMPASSED.
IT AFFECTS OUR PROPERTY OUT OF FOUR PROPERTIES AFFECTED.
YOU HEARD THAT MENTION JUST A MOMENT AGO BY MY PREDECESSOR SPEAKING TONIGHT, AND ALL FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NOT EVEN EVEN BEEN ENGAGED, NOT TALKED TO, NOT REASONABLE DUE DILIGENCE ON HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT A PLANTER BOX, IT'S A 60 FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT WHEN THEY PULL BEHIND IT, THAT IF YOU TOOK THAT RETAINING WALL AND REMOVED WHAT SO CALLED A PLANTER BOX, THE WALL, THE DIRT HOLDING BACK THE PROPERTY TO THAT, YOU KNOW, ENCLOSES THE POOL WOULD FALL.
THE WALL THAT IS A 24 INCH, 60 FOOT WALL IS A CITY WALL FOR THAT ROAD.
IT WAS NEGLECTED AND IT FELL, SO WE HAD TO REPAIR IT.
THE RAILROAD TIES MENTIONED IN THE TO BE REMOVED AS THAT WALL.
WE WERE TOLD THAT WALL WON'T BE FIXED BY THE CITY BECAUSE THERE'S NO BUDGET AND NO MONEY.
SO THEY DROPPED THE RAILROAD TIES OFF TO ME TO DO THE LABOR.
IN ORDER TO PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE AND ENCLOSE THE POOL.
THE SCOPE OF THE WORK MENTIONED IN THIS 24-10 ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR PROPERTY, HOW IT WILL AFFECT THE POOL, AND THEN THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS.
IF THEY REMOVE THE WALL, THE FENCE FALLS.
WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S SAFETY CONCERNS, THERE'S CHILDREN IN THE AREA AND THEN WHAT WILL WE DO DURING CONSTRUCTION FOR OUR FENCE THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE AFFECTED BY THIS SO-CALLED PLANTER BOX? SO THAT'S MY CONCERN TONIGHT TO SAY I'M GOING TO ASK NOT TO VOTE ON THE BUDGET FOR THE LIFT STATION UNTIL THE SCOPE OF WORK CAN REALLY BE DISCUSSED ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL, NOT ONLY FOR OUR PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTIES FOR OUR NEIGHBORS DEFINITELY GOING TO AFFECT OUR PROPERTY.
AND IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY AND THAT THAT WALL AND HOW IT AFFECTS US.
SO I JUST WANT TO ADD I'M BRENDA SECTION 1936 ONE1, WHICH IS THE OBJECTIVE TO MINIMIZE ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SECONDLY, THERE'S NOT ONE TREE, NOT ONE PLANT, NOT ONE LEAF FROM OUR VIEW OF THIS LIFT STATION.
SO EVERY WINDOW I OWN, I SEE OLIVE GREEN AND THIS GIGANTIC ANTENNA WITH AN EXTENSION ON IT TODAY.
NOW YOU WANT TO ADD A GENERATOR? I MEAN, YOU HAVE HIT MY SITE, THE SMELL AND THE SOUND, AND WE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS.
WHEN I SPOKE TO TROY, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE SURVEYORS WERE ON MY PROPERTY, ON THE PROPERTY, OUT OF THE EASEMENT, PAINTING IT BLUE, PAINTED ORANGE, DIGGING UP, LOOKING FOR WATER.
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I CALLED HIM TO SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU SAID WE'RE JUST WIDENING THE ROAD.WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT A BULKHEAD AND WE'RE WIDENING THE ROAD.
AND I SAID, CAN YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT BLOCKING THAT UGLY LIFT STATION THAT I LOOK AT? AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A BACKWARDS PI OUR BACKYARD IS WIDE, SO THAT'S WHY I SEE IT.
HE GOES, MAYBE WE CAN PUT SOME PLANTS OR TREES UP.
THAT SOUNDED GREAT TO ME, BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY FINDING OUT YOU'RE PUTTING A HUGE GENERATOR, WIDENING THE ROAD, TAKING DOWN OUR BARRIER AND THEN OUR PROPERTY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, SITS UP HIGHER THAN THE ROAD, IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO WASH AWAY AND [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO NOT DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
NOT A KNOCK ON THE DOOR, NOT A BOUNDARY LINE, NOT A DISCUSSION.
AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE BUDGET WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS IF IT'S APPROVED SCOPE OF THE EFFECT IS.
AND WOULD YOU WANT TO LOOK AT A LIFT STATION OUT OF YOUR WINDOW EVERY DAY? MY TIME IS UP, BUT YOU GET IT.
THANK YOU. I VOTED FOR ALL OF YOU, BY THE WAY.
THANK YOU, MR. AND MRS. SIMON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR COMMISSIONERS STAFF.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST EVERYTHING, OKAY? ALL I WANT IS SMART SPENDING.
AND I WANT DECISIONS MADE BY MY ELECTED COMMISSIONERS, NOT BY STAFF.
BUT WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MUST BE GIVEN A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THINGS THAT COST LARGE SUM OF MONEY AND HALF $1 MILLION PRETTY NOTICEABLE SIZE OF MONEY, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE INFORMED DECISIONS, NOT STAFF.
IT WAS THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO THE MAYOR AND TO THE CITY MANAGER, WITH A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW ABOUT THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION AND THAT HALF MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE.
OKAY, I PUT A SHORT SYNOPSIS AT THE TOP OF THE EMAIL AS I FORWARDED IT TO TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HOPEFULLY KIND OF DWELLED DRILLED DOWN ON THE REALLY LARGE EMAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT TRAIL THAT THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE.
I ASKED ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
YOU'VE HEARD FROM TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS TONIGHT.
NOW, 20TH STREET'S A LONG WAY FROM MY HOUSE ON SIXTH STREET.
BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION EXPENDITURE.
AND ALL THIS IS DOING IS IS DOING A PROJECT ON 340FT OF STREET AND BUILDING A BOAT DOCK.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL ABOUT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW SO SO HERE'S MY ANALOGY FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOU OWN PROPERTIES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE GENERATORS OR NOT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GENERATOR COST YOU IF YOU HAVE ONE $5,000, $10,000, IF YOUR GENERATOR COMPANY CAME TO YOU AND SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TEN TIMES THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND $100,000 TO DO THIS OTHER WORK IN ORDER TO PUT IN YOUR 5 OR $10,000 GENERATOR.
I'M WILLING TO BET YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SCRATCH YOUR HEAD, MAYBE GO TO THE REFRIGERATOR FOR A REFRESHMENT AND COME BACK AND SAY, THERE AIN'T NO WAY IN HELL I'M SPENDING $100,000 FOR A 5 OR $10,000 GENERATOR.
WELL, THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW WITH RESOLUTION 24-10.
THAT IS THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
GOT TO SPEND A HALF $1 MILLION TO PUT IN A $50,000 GENERATOR.
YOU KNOW, THESE THESE GENERATOR COMPANIES KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.
THEY PUT GENERATORS IN TIGHT SPOTS ALL THE TIME.
I HOPE NOT. THIS IS A GROSS EXPENDITURE.
AND ONCE AND FOR ALL, I HOPE YOU VOTE THIS DOWN TONIGHT, PERIOD.
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VOTE IT DOWN.AND LET'S SEE WHAT STAFF COMES UP WITH IN THE FUTURE IN ORDER TO INSTALL A GENERATOR.
NOW THE NEXT THING IS ITEM 3B ABOUT AHERN STREET.
OKAY I'M GOING TO STAY ON BIKE, BIKE LANES BECAUSE IT'S A SMART THING TO DO.
YOU DIRECTED STAFF WEEKS AGO TO COME BACK WITH OTHER OPTIONS.
AND THEY'VE YET TO SHOW A PLAN WITH DUAL BIKE LANES.
WELL, IT DEALS WITH ROYAL PALM DRIVE AND SAILFISH FROM ATLANTIC BOULEVARD TO CAVALLO ROAD.
BOTH OF THOSE ROADS COULD OR SHOULD HAVE BIKE LANES IN FACT IN THE CONTINUITY PLAN IN THE CONTINUITY PLAN IT ACTUALLY SHOWS BIKE LANES FOR THAT.
THAT REALLY WIDE STRETCH OF ROYAL PALM DRIVE RIGHT THERE NEAR THE ABC STORE.
SOME OF Y'ALL MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RIDING BIKES FROM ROYAL PALM SUBDIVISION TO BOTH OF THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS WITH A HOST OF RESTAURANTS OR GOING OVER TO THE NEW DREAMETTE ON BICYCLES IS PHENOMENAL.
THAT IS A 36 FOOT WIDE PAVED AREA ON ROYAL PALM DRIVE.
IT ONLY REQUIRES 20FT FOR TWO TRAFFIC LANES.
LOTS OF LOTS OF ROOM FOR TWO BIKE LANES THERE.
AND IT'S IN THE CONTINUITY PLAN.
WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING TO REFER TO THE CONTINUITY PLAN AND START PUTTING IT INTO PLACE? SO I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT FOR SCOTT WILLIAMS COMING UP HERE ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS.
I HOPE HE ADDS THE END ZONE FOR FIRST STREET, WHICH THE PAVEMENT HAS ERODED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LIMESTONE AND THE TWO BLOCKS ON BEACH AVENUE FROM 14TH STREET TO 16TH STREET, WHICH IS IN FAR WORSE CONDITION THAN THE FIVE CUL DE SACS HE HAS LISTED.
IF YOU DIDN'T SIGN IN TO SPEAK BUT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO RAISE THEIR HAND? OKAY. NO TAKERS ON THAT.
SO WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
CITY MANAGER REPORTS.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.
I THINK IT'S WHAT IS IT, 3A THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE ARE THREE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
SINCE WE PUT THIS OUT AS A DRAFT REPORT, WE'VE ADDED AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE OUTREACH SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE FULL 45 ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20TH.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED A BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREE ROUNDUP HELD AT 9 A.M.
AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, THAT WOULD BE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, I WROTE THAT DOWN.
WHAT IS THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREE? IT'S A IT'S AN INVASIVE PLANT.
THE COMMUNITY COMES OUT THERE AND SO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM WILL BE OUT THERE.
OUR OUR PLANNING STAFF WILL BE OUT THERE AS WELL.
EXCUSE ME, AS WELL AS OTHER VOLUNTEERS.
AND YES, WE WILL MANUALLY EXTRACT THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREES AND YOU KNOW, PROCEED WITH THAT WITH WHATEVER PROCEDURES GO ALONG WITH IT, WHETHER IT'S CUTTING DOWN TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.
TO BE HONEST, I CAN'T TELL YOU SORRY YOU MISSED THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WE CAN GET YOU INVOLVED. I'LL BE THERE THIS TIME.
THANK YOU MR. KILLINGSWORTH, SO, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, AS AMENDED? YES. OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR? OKAY. ITEM 3B.
ITEM 3B IF I THAT IS I BELIEVE.
YEP. IF WE CAN HAVE AMANDA COME UP.
HI. GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.
I'M GOING TO POP UP A PRESENTATION.
AND KEVIN. I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER THERE.
WE CAN SHARE OUR SCREEN SO THAT THEY CAN SEE OUR PRESENTATION.
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SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BLOCK OF AHERN STREET BETWEEN EAST COAST TO OCEAN BOULEVARD.YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT'S BEHIND THE RAGTIME PARKING LOT AND THE SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE NORTH.
IT IS A ON THE ZONING DISTRICT DIVIDE LINE.
WE HAVE AS I MENTIONED, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THEN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
WE HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE EVEN HAD SOME ON SITE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THIS IS PART OF THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSION.
THIS IS SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
IT'S CONFUSING. PEOPLE JUST PARK WHERE THEY THINK THERE'S A PARKING SPACE.
IT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLISTS.
PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY AND WHO.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE PARKING IN THE SITUATION LOOKS LIKE.
PEOPLE JUST KIND OF PARK SOMETIMES THEY PARK CORRECTLY, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
THEY WILL OFTENTIMES PARK ON THE SIDEWALK AND BLOCK THE INTERSECTION VISIBILITY THERE.
THIS IS IDENTIFIED IN THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN.
THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN REALLY IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE CITY.
AND HOW TO, TO GET PEOPLE FROM PARKS TO OTHER AMENITIES, SCHOOLS AND OUR BEACHES, OUR MARSH.
AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS SAFELY.
SO THE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN WAS TO START FORWARD THINKING ABOUT BUDGETING AND WHERE WE NEED TO SPEND OUR DOLLARS AND TO MAKE IT A SAFE PLACE AS PART OF OUR COMPLETE STREETS, TO GET PEOPLE SAFELY FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER.
IT IS PART OF A LARGER PROJECT.
ULTIMATELY, TO GO DOWN ON THE BACKSIDE OR NORTH OF ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, PARALLEL ALONG STURDIVANT.
AND IT WOULD TIE INTO SEMINOLE ROAD AND SHERRY, THE SIDEWALKS, THE MULTI-USE PATHS THAT ENTER THERE OR INTERSECT AND TO GET PEOPLE EAST WEST FROM SEMINOLE TO THE BEACH OR THE TOWN CENTER AREA.
WE HAD AND WE DIDN'T HAVE SURVEYS OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE KIND OF KNEW THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT NOT DOWN TO THE EXACT FOOT.
AND WE AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS TO SHOW THESE POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS AND HOW TO GET THERE, NOT NECESSARILY FINE TUNE THE DESIGN OF THEM, AND TO BE ABLE TO PUT ITEMS IN THE CIP TO HELP FUND THESE.
SO WE AND HERE'S MORE EXCERPTS OUT OF THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN.
WE HIRED SOME CONSULTANTS TO COME IN.
AGAIN, STAFF WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, SO WE HIRED CONSULTANTS TO COME IN.
THEY LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
IN AUGUST, WE AUTHORIZED THE CONSULTANT VIA COMMISSION APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE.
WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK MULTIPLE TIMES AGAIN TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE WE WENT WITH THIS SCENARIO FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, THOUGH, IS THESE HOUSES AND I DON'T SEE MY MY MOUSE MOVING, BUT THE HOUSES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO ALL THOSE FOLKS THERE ARE PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE HOMES AND THE SIDEWALKS.
WE HAD SOME RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR ON STREET PARKING.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT BIKE LANES AND WE HAVE A A SCENARIO HERE.
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THE, THE PARKING.AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY NECESSARY IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA.
THOSE PARKING SPACES, WE GET A LOT FEWER VERSUS HEAD END ANGLED PARKING.
WE ALSO HAD AN OPTION THREE, WHICH ALSO, LET'S SEE, HAD THAT SHARED PATH ON BOTH SIDES BUT HAD PARALLEL PARKING SPACES AS WELL INSTEAD OF HEAD END PARKING SPACES.
STAFF DID NOT FEEL LIKE A BIKE LANE WAS APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION.
IT IS ONE BLOCK. THIS BLOCK IS 250FT LONG.
THE THE BIKE LANE WOULD NOT CONNECT TO ANY OTHER BIKE LANES.
SO STAFF HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN THE MULTI-PURPOSE USE LANES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT USE THOSE SHARED USE PATHS FOR THE CYCLIST, THE PROFESSIONAL CYCLISTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE [INAUDIBLE], M OST OF OUR MULTI-USE PATHS, AGAIN, ARE MORE OF THE RECREATIONAL TYPE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO GO FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE TONIGHT AND GO TO OUR 60% DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT. AS PART OF THE 60% DESIGN, WE ARE LOOKING AT DRAINAGE.
I KNOW THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN THE NEXT PHASE.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, ONE THING I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER IS YOU PROBABLY HEARD THIS.
THE PREDATORY TOWING BEHIND RAGTIME.
I KNOW WE WILL BE CLOSING THEIR ENTRANCE ALONG AHERN AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
I THINK THAT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES.
BECAUSE A NORMAL VISITOR TO TOWN CENTER WOULD NOT KNOW THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARKING.
YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
TRYING TO DETERMINE THE LIMITATIONS BOUNDARIES OF THE [INAUDIBLE] COMMITTEE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK, THE TRAFFIC EVALUATION, EVERYTHING.
WAS THIS NOT GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] COMMITTEE? [INAUDIBLE] WAS IT A TIME THING? WAS IT GIVING THEM TOO MUCH RIGHT NOW TO HANDLE OR WHY WASN'T IT BROUGHT TO THEM.
THEY'RE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT SPECIFIC SITE BY SITE PROJECTS.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL GENERAL CONSENSUS FOR THE CITY.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO IT ACTUALLY STARTED BEFORE THE STOP COMMITTEE.
GOTCHA. WELL, THANKS. I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT.
THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION.
THIS ONE? NO, I THINK SHE'S REFERRING TO THE AHERN CROSS SECTION THAT'S IN THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN.
SO I SEE THE BIKE LANE IN THE GREEN AND THEN UP AT THE TOP, THE BIKE LANE.
I KNOW YOU SAID WE JUST DON'T HAVE SPACE FOR THE.
IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THERE'S JUST NO SPACE FOR THAT.
DEFINITELY. WE HAVE 57FT OF RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE AGAIN WAS A GENERAL GENERALIZATION OF WHAT POSSIBLY COULD FIT IN THAT AREA.
THIS ONE HAS A BIKE LANE IN ONE DIRECTION.
SO I MEAN, REALITY IS THAT REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IS ONE BIKE LANE IN THE DIRECTION.
SO THIS PROPOSED SCENARIO WAS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, A FOUR FOOT BIKE LANE WITH A SEPARATION.
AND THEN THAT WAS AN 18 FOOT PARKING SPACE WITH A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
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OKAY. AND I REALLY LIKE THE OPTION ONE THAT WE HAVE 8 TO 9 ANGLED PARKING.I THINK THE ANGLE PARKING IS BETTER THAN THE PARALLEL.
WE WOULD LOSE A COUPLE OF SPACES THERE, BUT THE EIGHT FOOT MULTI-PURPOSE AND YOU'RE THINKING THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED WITH BOTH BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS STROLLERS.
EVERYONE'S GOING TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S BEST, LIKE SAFETY WISE, I DO.
BUT IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING YOU CAN BUILD IT, YOU CAN MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
AND JUST STAFF FELT THAT THERE WAS TOO MANY CONFLICTING DRIVERS AND PARKING.
AND THE VOLUME WOULD NOT WORK WITH A BIKE LANE.
I WOULD AGREE THE VOLUMES GOING TO INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY WITH 42 EAST COAST BUILDING GOING IN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES, WE HAVE THAT. THAT'S PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE WE HAVE SOME MONEY THAT WE'VE PAID FOR A SURVEY TO HAVE THAT AREA SURVEYED.
THAT RIGHT OF WAY IN THERE IS DEFINITELY A VARIABLE.
WE'D LIKE TO THINK IT'S ALL THE SAME, BUT IT IS VARIABLE.
SO WE ARE STARTING THAT PROCESS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT CONTEXT.
AND THAT IS RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO DO A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
AGAIN, WE TRY TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LENS.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP THE STREET THAT KEEPS THIS THE PROJECT COST ON THAT SECTION DOWN A LITTLE BIT? THIS PROPOSED AREA, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PAVEMENT WORK AND DRAINAGE WORK.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE ROOM FOR ONE TYPE OF PATH ON THAT.
OKAY, ONE MORE QUESTION SORRY.
WITH THE PARKING, WHEN WE DO UTILIZE THAT SPACE, ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO USE FLOWBIRD APP OR LIKE A SPECIAL KIOSK? THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE SIGNED APPROPRIATELY.
YEAH. THEY JUST PAINTED IN THOSE PARKING SPOTS BECAUSE I'VE HAD PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO'VE NOW BEEN TOWED IN THAT RAGTIME PARKING LOT, AND IT'S AND THEY'VE PAID FOR PARKING, BUT THEY PAID ONLINE OR THE WRONG DOT, WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
SO AND I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT IF YOU GO BACK TO THESE PICTURES, MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER ONE.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, AMANDA, YOU REALLY HAVE TO PUT THIS IN SCOPE.
THIS IS NOT A MAJOR ROAD, YOU KNOW, GOING EAST.
IT'S REALLY JUST A PATHWAY IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROADS.
RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE I SAID, I'M AN OPTION ONE GUY I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT WE MOVE ON AND GET, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSIONALS TO GIVE US A, YOU KNOW, AN 80% SOLUTION.
I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT WHILE WE WERE DEVELOPING OUR CONNECTIVITY PLAN, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN DIALOG ABOUT BIKE LANES, NOT BIKE LANES AND SO ON. AND I THINK WE HAD INTENDED TO DO SOME BIKE LANES.
HOWEVER, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, WE LITERALLY HAVE NO BIKE LANES IN THE CITY THAT I KNOW OF.
EXCUSE ME, MIRANDA, THE ONLY ONES, MR. MAYOR, ARE BIKE LANES THAT ARE ON STATE OWNED FACILITIES, NOT ON CITY OWNED FACILITIES.
I REMEMBER THAT AS A TRAFFIC CONE.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT SEGMENT OF AHERN STREET FROM EAST COAST TO SHERRY.
COULD. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON A VERY SHORT STRETCH OF AHERN STREET.
CAN'T BE MORE THAN IT'S 250FT LONG OKAY, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT LONG STRETCH ON THE REST OF AHERN.
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ON THE REMAINDER OF AHERN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? YES, DEFINITELY.YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH A LOT OF MONEY TO REDO YOU KNOW, THAT SECTION OF STURDEVANT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE LENS AND ONLY HAVE ABOUT 8 TO 9FT OF RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE TO PUT SOMETHING IN.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THAT WHOLE SECTION COULD BE ONE BIKE LANE, IF YOU WILL.
OR IT COULD BE A MULTI USE PATH WITHOUT ADDING THE COST OF RECONSTRUCTING THE ROAD TO IT.
AND THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING.
IT CHANGES WHEN YOU GET ACROSS OCEAN OR EAST COAST, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. SO I THINK MOVING FURTHER WEST ON AHERN, THE ROAD THERE IS STILL HIGHLY CONSTRAINED.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS, BIKE LANES THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR ROADS LIKE ROYAL PALM, FOR PLAZA, SOME OTHER ROADS THAT WE HAVE MORE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY'RE NOT AS CONSTRAINED.
I THINK BIKE LANE BIKE LANES ARE APPROPRIATE THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS, WHAT THEY'LL TELL YOU IS IF THE ROAD IS LESS THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR, THERE'S LESS THAN [INAUDIBLE] LESS THAN ACTUALLY 3,000 DAILY TRIPS.
AND AHERN RIGHT NOW ON, IT HAS LESS THAN 1,000 DAILY TRIPS.
BUT BIKE LANES, BIKE LANES ARE NOT YOUR MOST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.
I WAS ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WORE SPANDEX AND SHAVED MY LEGS AND PUT ON A JERSEY.
I SAID IT IN PUBLIC QUITE FRANKLY, ON A ROAD LIKE AHERN AND MANY OF THE ROADS IN OUR COMMUNITY, IF YOU'RE ON A SUB 25 MILE AN HOUR ROAD AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE RIDING IN THE ROAD, THE BEST PLACE FOR YOU TO BE IS THE CENTER OF THAT LANE, JUST LIKE A MOTORCYCLE, BECAUSE CARS ARE LOOKING FOR YOU THERE.
THE CHALLENGE WITH A BIKE LANE IN AN AREA THAT HAS PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS THE BIKES ARE CLOSE TO THE PARKED CARS AND AS THEY'RE MOVING, CARS TRYING TO GET OUT OR NOT LOOKING FOR THEM AND PROBABLY CAN'T SEE THEM.
MY WORST NIGHTMARE, BECAUSE I USED TO RIDE SAN JOSE PRETTY FREQUENTLY AND THEY HAVE PARKED CARS, PARALLEL PARKED CARS ON THAT ROAD IS SOMEBODY WOULD OPEN A DOOR AS I'M RIDING 20 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE I'M LOOKING OVER MY LEFT SHOULDER TO SEE WHAT THE CAR IS GOING 55 MILES AN HOUR DURING.
THIS IS AN AREA WHERE IT'S HIGHLY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED.
WE DO HAVE REAL PARKING NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE MET.
AND THIS, LIKE ALL SOLUTIONS, IS JUST A COMPROMISE OF VARIOUS SOURCES.
AND I LOOKED AT HOW TO HOW TO DO IT.
THERE'S NOT A WAY WITHIN THE 57FT TO PUT IN TWO BIKE LANES.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO THINKS THERE IS, BUT ONCE YOU ONCE YOU COUNT IN THE TWO FOOT LANE CURBS THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIKE LANE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO PARKING, THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A BUFFERED BIKE LANE BY DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH MEANS IT'S AT LEAST A FIVE FOOT LANE WITH A ONE FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN IT AND THE PARK. SO NOW YOU'RE AT SIX FOOT.
AND SO THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE MAKE IT THE BEST.
AND I THINK THE SCENARIO IN OPTION ONE IS THAT IS THAT BEST COMPROMISE.
SO NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHAT'S THE DELTA BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACES ON OPTION ONE AND THE PARKING SPACES IF YOU PUT IN THE ONE BIKE LANE BECAUSE YOU HAD TO GO TO PARALLEL PARKING, I THINK.
SO THIS ADDED 8 TO 9 ANGLED PARKING SPACES HERE.
AND THAT'S WITH IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE.
THE, THE RAGTIME ENTRANCE CLOSED ALONG AHERN.
RIGHT. AND THEN THIS OPTION YOU'RE TALKING HERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE 12345, SIX PARKING SPACES.
PLUS YOU HAVE THE ISLANDS ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, QUITE LIKELY WE COULD GET THREE ADDITIONAL DIAGONAL PARKING SPACES IN THERE, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE DELTA, WHAT, NINE? OKAY. OR SIX.
YEAH, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
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ALL RIGHT DO WE NEED TO TAKE A FORMAL VOTE, OR CAN WE GO ON CONSENSUS ON THIS? I THINK, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, I THINK YOU CAN JUST GO ON CONSENSUS.YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THIS PROJECT.
YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE BUDGET.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME BACK AT 60% AND 90% AND THEN IT'LL MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION.
OKAY. SO COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE? YES, YES, YOU HAVE YOUR CONSENSUS.
[INAUDIBLE] GIVE ME JUST A SECOND, MR. MAYOR. I NEED SOME WATER.
MIC] SO WHILE WE'RE WHILE WE'RE WAITING.
I'M NOT THE ENTERTAINMENT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO SEE THE KIDS, WE HAD 36 TEAMS LINE UP IN THE IN THE BALL FIELD.
SO WE HAVE HUGE ENGAGEMENT BY OUR CITIZENS, OUR PARENTS, OUR VOLUNTEERS, OUR CHILDREN.
THEY REALLY LOOK SHARP OUT THERE.
I ACTUALLY GOT IT CLOSE TO HOME PLATE.
NOT QUITE OVER HOME PLATE, BUT.
IS THERE VIDEO, MR. MAYOR? NO, THERE'S NO VIDEO.
AND I'M NOT WEARING SPANDEX, SO.
I'M SORRY, BUT I DO WANT TO CELEBRATE OUR OWN, VERY OWN BISHOP GOLDEN LED OFF WITH THE INVOCATION TO OPEN BASEBALL FOR THE SEASON. AND JERRY HOLLAND WAS THE OFFICIATING RESPONSIBLE ADULT THERE.
SO IT WAS REALLY A GOOD DAY AND GOOD FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
ARE YOU READY? I THINK WE'RE READY, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, SO THIS PRESENTATION IS TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.
THERE'S A RESOLUTION COMING UP LATER ON, WHICH IS TO GO OVER YOUR PRIORITIES.
AND SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL SERVE TO CAPTURE WHAT I DID WITH YOUR PRIORITIES.
HOPEFULLY YOU YOU APPROVE OF IT? THE OTHER IS I HAD BEEN THINKING SINCE I STARTED ON ON HOW TO MANAGE DAILY OPERATIONS AND KIND OF GET A BETTER HANDLE OF WHERE OUR LONG TERM FINANCIAL PICTURE IS.
SO I DO HAVE DISTINCT IDEAS ON THAT.
AND I THREW THOSE IDEAS IN HERE BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE.
OR IT DOESN'T WORK UNDER THE TABLE.
THERE'S AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THE ON THE SLIDE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE VIDEO OF THE PODIUM THERE.
AND THE FIRST ONE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THEMES, PRIORITIES AND AND PROJECTS.
[INAUDIBLE] SO THIS UPSIDE DOWN TRIANGLE IS REALLY KIND OF A CONCEPT OF A HIERARCHY OF OUTCOMES.
SO I'M WHAT I'M CALLING THE TOPMOST OUT PRIORITY OR THE TOP MOST OUTCOME IS THEMES.
THESE ARE OUTCOMES THAT MAY TAKE 10 TO 20 YEARS.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THAT WE NEED TO DO TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED.
THE NEXT THING DOWN IS PRIORITIES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE WORKED ON AND YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN ANNUAL PRIORITIES.
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I WOULD LIKE TO GRADUALLY TRANSITION THEM INTO THEY COULD BE ANNUAL, BUT MORE IDEALLY 2 TO 4 YEAR TYPE PRIORITIES AND THEN PROJECTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC MEASURABLE THINGS OR WHAT STAFF WILL DO TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE PRIORITIES. THOSE THREE THINGS IMPLEMENT THE CITY'S VISION.AND THEN THE FINAL THING ON THAT, THE SMALLEST IS THE BUSINESS FUNDAMENTALS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON A DAY TO DAY OPERATION.
QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S ME MANAGING THE CITY.
THE TOP THREE ARE YOU DIRECTING ME WHERE TO LEAD THE CITY TO.
BUT IT ALSO THE BOTTOM ONE, THE BUSINESS FUNDAMENTALS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO IMPLEMENTING THE MISSION, AND I WILL GET TO THE MISSION IN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE VISION AND I CAN'T READ THAT UP THERE.
I DO WANT TO READ THE VISION, BECAUSE I THINK YOUR VISION IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD.
IT'S USES GOOD ADJECTIVES IN TERMS OF DEFINING WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT VERBATIM AND THEN IT KEYS INTO THE THEMES.
SO THE CITY'S VISION IS IN ATLANTIC BEACH WE HAVE A STRONG SENSE OF BELONGING AND SAFETY.
WE ARE GRACED WITH THE FUNCTIONAL BEAUTY OF OUR BEACH, OUR MARSH AND OUR TREE CANOPY.
SO THIS IS WHAT MY RESOLUTION, WHICH YOU ALL ADOPTED AS THE VISION.
AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW I CATEGORIZE THE THEMES IS A WE HAVE CREATE A STRONG SENSE OF BELONGING, PRESERVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES, PROMOTE A SOCIALLY LINKED COMMUNITY THROUGH GREEN SPACES, ACTIVE LIFESTYLE PARKS AND PROGRAMING. AND THEN THIS ONE ISN'T IN YOUR VISION, BUT IT'S ESSENTIAL TO ACHIEVING YOUR VISION.
AND THAT'S MAINTAIN A STRONG FINANCIAL CONDITIONS SUITABLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE CITY'S VISION.
SO THEN YOU HAD A PRIORITY MEETING.
AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT HAD A DOT IN IT IS REPRESENTED HERE.
WE DID NOT I DID NOT END UP CROSSING THEM OUT BASED ON HOW MANY DOTS THEY GOT.
AND SO STARTING OUT WITH A STRONG SENSE OF PLACE, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THIS FOR TWO WEEKS.
AND SO IN ORDER FOR SOME BREVITY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS.
THE PROJECTS ARE LISTED THERE.
IT SAYS WHO WILL DO IT, WHAT THEY WILL DO AND WHEN THEY WILL DO IT BY.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE DATES THAT PREDATE OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, SOME OF YOUR PRIORITIES WERE MORE SHORT TERM.
THEY WERE REALLY THINGS WE WERE WORKING ON ALREADY.
BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND NEXT CYCLE I'LL HELP COACH YOU TO GET TO PRIORITIES THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE STRETCH AND REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO ACHIEVE.
BUT I WILL GO THROUGH THE PRIORITY LIST HERE.
WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOP A CUSTOMER CENTRIC CULTURE.
AND THEN UNDER CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES.
UNDER PROMOTE A SOCIALLY LINKED COMMUNITY THROUGH GREEN SPACE, ACTIVE LIFESTYLES, PARKS AND PROGRAMING, WE HAVE CREATED A PLAN TO REMEDY GAPS IN PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING.
PRIORITIZE PROJECTS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN UNDER MAINTAIN A STRONG FINANCIAL CONDITION SUITABLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE CITY'S VISION.
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WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A RISK MANAGEMENT RISK MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FOR CITY FACILITIES AND CONTRACTS, REVIEW FLEET MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT POLICIES, AND ANALYZE COST BENEFIT OF OUTSOURCING, PERMITTING, INSPECTION.WE ALSO HAVE CULTIVATE RELATIONSHIPS TO DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR RESOURCES AND COOPERATION.
USE DATA AND BUDGET ANALYSIS TO UNDERSTAND FISCAL EFFECTS PRIOR TO A BUDGET APPROVAL.
AND ACTUALLY, WHEN I GET TO THE END, SOME OF THAT MAY HELP HERE.
PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES ON PROJECT TIMELINES AND FINANCES.
SO THOSE WERE THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU HAD IDENTIFIED AND THEN UNDER EACH OF THOSE PRIORITIES, I HAVE WORKED WITH THE DIRECTORS AND IDENTIFIED WHO WOULD DO IT, WHAT THEY WOULD DO AND WHEN TO IMPLEMENT THOSE PRIORITIES.
SO WHEN WE GET ON TO [INAUDIBLE].
T HE NEXT TWO PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND THEN FINANCIAL CONDITION INDICATORS.
BUSINESS FUNDAMENTALS ARE WHAT FULFILL THE MISSION.
THEY DON'T FULFILL OUR VISION.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DO ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS.
THEY RELY ON THE MISSION, THOUGH, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO FULFILL IT, YOU RELY ON THE MISSION.
EFFECTIVE MISSIONS ARE MEMORABLE.
THEY HAVE TO BE RECITABLE AND THEY HAVE TO BE.
THE NEXT TWO ARE REALLY KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPT.
THEY HAVE TO BE USABLE IN TERMS OF TESTING AND PROPOSING ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO.
IF AN EMPLOYEE DOES SOMETHING OR PROPOSES SOMETHING, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ASK, HOW DOES THIS IMPLEMENT THE VISION? [INAUDIBLE] AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WON'T BE AS FRIENDLY TOWARDS YOUR MISSION STATEMENT AS I WAS YOUR VISION STATEMENT.
I COULDN'T REPEAT YOUR MISSION STATEMENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS WAS TESTABLE.
SO I WILL GET TO THE NEXT POINT.
THAT MISSION, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL THEN IDENTIFY THEIR MISSION, THEIR ACTIONS ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO IMPLEMENT THAT MISSION. UNDERNEATH THAT, THEY WILL IDENTIFY THE KEY PROCESSES THAT IMPACT HOW THEY IMPLEMENT OUR MISSION, SO THAT THOSE PROCESSES LINK ALL THE WAY TO FULFILLING OUR, OUR MISSION AS A WHOLE.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY WILL IDENTIFY THE KEY PROCESSES.
THOSE SHOULD FOLLOW THE PARETO PRINCIPLE.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT GETTING IN THE WEEDS ON EVERYTHING WE DO.
IT'S ABOUT IDENTIFYING THOSE 20% OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO THAT MAKE UP 80% OF OUR EFFORT OR.
LEAD TO CATASTROPHE IF WE FAIL AT IT.
RIGHT. SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, ON A DAILY BASIS, TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT FROM US.
BUT IF FAILING AT THAT LEADS TO CATASTROPHE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED.
OKAY. SO I GUESS IN A SENSE I AM SELLING THIS AS THE MISSION, BUT I'M NOT SOLD ON IT.
JUST AND IT'S SIMPLE, IT'S QUOTABLE AND IT'S TESTABLE.
THE PLACE TO BE FOR EXCEPTIONAL PUBLIC SERVICES.
I CAN LOOK AT SOMEBODY AND GO, DOES THIS CREATE THE PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO BE? AND WAS IT CONDUCTED THROUGH EXCEPTIONAL PUBLIC SERVICES? AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TRUTHFULLY AND WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
AND I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THE SAME THING UP TO THE FIVE OF EACH OF YOU.
SO THE WAY WE MONITOR THOSE PROCESSES IS THROUGH PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
BUT THEY NEED TO MEASURE QUALITY, COST AND DELIVERY MEASURES, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TIME.
THE RISK OF ONLY MEASURING ONE IS THAT YOU CHEAT AND ALLOW.
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TO TO THE POT BECAUSE STAFF IS PUSHING THOSE TWO OTHER THINGS.RIGHT. AND THE INTENT HERE IS NOT TO CREATE WORK, IT'S TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE MISTAKES.
BUT SEEING HOW I'M HERE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.
ONE OF THE MISTAKES THAT I'VE SEEN WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, PARTICULARLY PROCESS MANAGEMENT, IS THEY TIE THE PROCESS MANAGEMENT TO PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. AND THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS.
IF YOU IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE NUMBERS YOU WANT BECAUSE THEIR PAY IS TIED TO IT.
SO WHICH LEADS ME TO WHY AND WHAT? OH, THERE WE GO.
SO THESE PROCESS MEASURES ESTABLISH BOTH A CENTRAL TENDENCY OR MEAN AND THE VARIANCE.
THE VARIANCE IS THE ACTION LIMIT.
AND TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF PERMITTING I LIKE TO PICK.
IT'S NOT THAT I LIKE TO PICK ON AMANDA A LOT.
IT'S JUST THAT'S THE WORLD I KNOW.
SO IT AND SHE'S GONE HOME SO SHE CAN'T HEAR ME.
SO BUILDING. BUILDING PERMITS AS A PROCESS, RIGHT? SAY. WE SAY ON AVERAGE, WE WANT BUILDING PERMITS TO GO OUT WITHIN TEN DAYS, TO BE APPROVED WITHIN TEN DAYS.
AND OUR VARIANCE IS IS ONE DAY.
SO TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS AWAY FROM THE MEAN.
IF SOMETHING POPS OUT 14 DAYS, THEN THEN WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE AN ABERRATION.
SO I'M GOING TO GO BECAUSE I KIND OF HIT ALL OF THESE POINTS REAL QUICK.
THE KEY POINT OF ALL OF THIS IS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
IF THE PROCESS IS WITHIN ITS ACTION LIMITS, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
THE PROCESS IS DOING WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET A DIFFERENT RESULT IS TO REDESIGN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS DOING IF IT'S WITHIN THE VARIANCE, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. SO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE WHAT THE MEAN IS, OR YOU WANT TO NARROW THAT VARIANCE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE PROCESS.
AND TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
BUT. SO I KIND OF HIT SOME COMMON MISTAKES HERE.
THE ONE IS, PEOPLE PUT STUFF LIKE THIS IN PLACE AND THEN DON'T REVIEW IT.
IF YOU DON'T REVIEW IT, THEN IT JUST BECOMES BUSY WORK.
AND WHAT'S THE POINT? THE OTHER IS I HIT ON IT BRIEFLY, IS FOLLOW THE PARETO PRINCIPLE.
IF YOU MEASURE TOO MUCH, THEN NOTHING'S IMPORTANT.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT THOSE FEW KEY THINGS ARE.
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE ORGANIZATION.
THIS TIES BACK TO THAT IDEA OF NOT USING PERFORMANCE MEASURES TO LINK TO EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL SELECT A SAFE MEASURE.
SO THEY'LL PICK A MEASURE THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT THERE'S NO VARIANCE TO.
AND THEN WE'VE ACHIEVED NOTHING.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO PUNISH OR REWARD PEOPLE, IT'S JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES, UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK, AND THEN HAVE THE APPROPRIATE DATA TO CHANGE THEM.
SHOULD CHANGE BE NEEDED? WHICH LEADS ME TO FINANCIAL INDICATORS.
SO THE FINANCIAL INDICATORS ARE REALLY ABOUT MONITORING OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION, THE FINANCIAL CONDITION I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH WHAT IT'S NOT FINANCIAL CONDITION IS NOT AN ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.
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IT IS NOT TRYING TO ACHIEVE LEGAL COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARD ACCOUNTING PRACTICES.AND IT'S NOT JUST FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WHAT IT IS, IS A SERIES OF MEASURES THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND, IN THE LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET OUR EXISTING SERVICE LEVELS, WITHSTAND ECONOMIC DISRUPTIONS, WHICH IS ECONOMIC RESILIENCE, AND TO BE ABLE TO MEET ANY NEEDS IN REGARDS TO CHANGE.
SO WE DO THAT THROUGH A FINANCIAL TREND MONITORING SYSTEM.
WHAT IT IS IS IT'S IT IDENTIFIES THE FACTORS THAT WE CAN MONITOR IN ORDER TO PUT TOGETHER THAT CONDITIONS SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS, OUR EXISTING SERVICE LEVELS, WITHSTAND ECONOMIC DISRUPTION AND MEET FUTURE NEEDS.
INDICATORS ARE MADE UP OF ENVIRONMENTAL, ORGANIZATIONAL AND FINANCIAL FACTORS.
ENVIRONMENTAL IS THINGS LIKE POPULATION, HOUSING UNITS NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON A ON A ASSISTANCE.
ORGANIZATION, OR IT WOULD BE LIKE CITY POLICIES AND HOW THEY IMPACT OUR FINANCES.
SO WHAT IT HELPS US DO IS A IT HELPS US INTRODUCE LONG RANGE CONSIDERATIONS INTO OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
BECAUSE THE INDICATORS EACH INDIVIDUAL YEAR IS NOT IMPORTANT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE TREND.
BECAUSE AND I'LL GET TO SOME EXAMPLES IN THE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
BUT IT'S THE TREND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S THE TREND THAT GIVES US AN INDICATION THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE SOMETHING.
IT DOESN'T TELL US THAT SOMETHING'S RIGHT OR WRONG OR GOING WELL OR GOING WRONG.
IT JUST SAYS, HEY, LOOK AT ME.
IT'S A CANARY THAT IS SINGING, AND IF IT STOPS SINGING, THEN YOU NEED TO ASK WHY.
AND THE ADVANTAGE TO IT IS TYPICALLY THEY THROW OFF AN INDICATION BEFORE ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS.
AND SO WE HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO IT AND TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR IT.
SO SOME EXAMPLES OF CONDITIONS INDICATORS IS REVENUES PER CAPITA IN CONSTANT DOLLARS.
SO IF THE REVENUE PER CAPITA IN CONSTANT DOLLARS IS GOING UP, THAT MAY BE A GOOD THING.
IF IT'S GOING DOWN THAT MAY BE A BAD THING.
AND PERHAPS WE NEED TO IDENTIFY HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT UP, OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOBBY THE STATE TO RELAX SOME OF THESE STANDARDS OR TO OFFSET THESE EXPENSES. AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA.
EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA, IF THE TREND IS GOING UP, COULD BE A GOOD MEASURE.
OR IT COULD BE OUR POPULATION IS SHRINKING AND OUR EMPLOYEE LEVEL ISN'T MATCHING IT.
AND. AND WE HAVE A GAP THERE THAT'S NOT BEING MET.
SO NONE OF THE INDICATORS AND THERE ARE MAYBE 47 THAT I'M AWARE OF.
NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD BE NECESSARY TO TRACK, BUT I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE NECESSARY TO TRACK, AND THEY JUST GIVE US A TREND ON WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHY, AND THEY GIVE US AN INDICATION TO LOOK FOR WHY THOSE TRENDS ARE HAPPENING.
NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLAN.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS YEAR I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT I WOULD HAVE ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT PLAN WOULD BE EDUCATED BASED ON OUR FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND AND WHAT QUESTIONS THOSE CONDITIONS CAUSE US TO ASK AND CAUSE US TO FORMULATE A LONG TERM POLICY ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE BUDGET'S COMING UP.
THAT'S A SNAPSHOT OF A ONE YEAR ON ON WHERE WE'RE COMING OUT.
AND ULTIMATELY ME AND STAFF ACHIEVING THE MISSION THAT YOU'VE SET FOR US.
AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I RAN THROUGH IT AS SUCCINCTLY AS I COULD.
[01:10:01]
BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THOUGHT IN THIS.I'M. I'M JUST EXCITED FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP AS CITY MANAGER.
AND, AND I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT AND, AND GETTING AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WILL IMPACT US IN A FEW YEARS. SO IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT YOU WISH TO.
THE MISSION AND THE VISION WERE APPROVED BY RESOLUTION.
IS THAT CORRECT, KEVIN? YES, SIR. SO I THINK IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF CHANGING THE MISSION, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT TIME.
AND. SURE. SUBMIT A RESOLUTION TO DO SO.
I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT.
BUT COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO TO BRING IT BACK FOR A VOTE? AND AT THAT TIME WE COULD DECIDE NOT TO APPROVE THE SHIP, BUT IF YOU WANT.
SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK IN IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU.
YOU YOU ARE AN OPERATIONS ANALYSIS MAJOR CONFLICT, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M KIND OF A NUMBERS GEEK.
YES, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WAS AN OPERATIONS ANALYSIS MAJOR, SO I FEEL LIKE I WAS IN CLASS.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS MANAGEMENT.
IS YOUR WORLD TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS? I WAS GETTING EXCITED OVER HERE.
OKAY, BUT BUT IT IS A LOT OF WORK.
SO I APPRECIATE I KNOW THE KIND OF WORK THAT I WISH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WAS THAT.
AND SO I ACTUALLY, IF I MAY PIGGYBACK ON THAT I LOVE THE FACT THAT THESE THINGS ARE ALL TIMED.
MOST OF THESE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE PLAN TO BE PRESENTED THE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR AND SOME OF THEM ARE AT THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER. AND THEN THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE AT THE END OF THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
A STATUS UPDATE AS TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THREE MONTHS.
BECAUSE. BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS A YEAR OUT.
WE CAN I MOST OF THEM I TRIED TO MAKE SO THAT THEY WERE LOGICAL STEPS.
SO ONCE YOU ACHIEVE THE NEXT STEP, THE FOLLOWING STEP WOULD BE THE LOGICAL STEP.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT HAVING SOME KIND OF REPORTING STANDARD.
WELL, AND SOME OF THIS REALLY IS IN YOUR BRAIN THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT.
YOU'RE REALLY GUIDING THAT PIECE.
WE ARE AT THAT POINT IN THE BUDGET WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE MILITARY.
IT'S MY HOPE THAT I'LL HAVE AT LEAST THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRENDS FOR A COLLECTION OF INDICATORS AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE.
AND HOPEFULLY, MAYBE EVEN SOME BRIEF ANALYSIS ON WHY WE BELIEVE THOSE TRENDS ARE TAKING PLACE.
OKAY. SO IF THAT IF YOU'RE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, THEN CERTAINLY THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE MAYBE SOME OF THOSE OPERATIONAL MEASURES AND CERTAINLY ALL THE FINANCIAL CONDITIONS INDICATORS READY FOR THE BUDGET JUST BEFORE THE BUDGET CYCLE.
SO MOVING ALONG TO ITEM FOR REPORTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
MR. COMMISSIONER BOLE, WOULD YOU LEAD US OFF? YEAH, IT'S IT'S ALMOST ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE TALKING.YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME HARP ON RISK MITIGATION AND LIABILITY.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT A 90% SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME GLARING HOLES.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT MAYBE IN TWO WEEKS AT LEAST COME OUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD GET A FIRST READING OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT.
[01:15:04]
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT IT'S NOT APPROVED YET, BUT THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH DID IN GRANTS IS, IS WELL ABOVE THE 4% THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR GUYS WHO WRITE GRANTS.
THEY WORK ON GRANTS, SUBMIT THOSE.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL DO BETTER WITH THE LEGISLATURE.
BUT RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW, I SAID, WOW, WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD.
I THINK YOU GOT ABOUT 10% MORE TO GO.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER TO KEVIN.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN OPENING ON THE STOP COMMITTEE IN FROM COMMISSIONER BOWLES DISTRICT.
ON WHAT? WELL, WE CAN OPEN THAT UP.
GO AHEAD. FINISH YOUR STATEMENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORTH.
I AM SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO ACTUALLY BRING IT UP.
I SPOKE TO THE TO THE COMMITTEE CHAIR THIS WEEK.
AND IN MY DISCUSSION WITH HIM, I THINK IT'S BEST NOT TO STIR THE POT THIS LATE DATE.
THIS COMMITTEE IS ONLY RECENTLY GOTTEN ITS LEGS UNDERNEATH IT.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU PROBABLY HAVE A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR VOLUNTEERING, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STOCK COMMITTEE WITHOUT ADJUSTING.
IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD TAKE A VOTE, MAYOR OR ASK? WELL, WE CAN TAKE COMMITTEE HERE NOW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S MY IT'S YOUR POSITION, AND AND I'M I'M ACTUALLY WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE STOP COMMITTEE IS FROM MY DISTRICT ALSO.
SO I FEEL VERY WELL REPRESENTED WITH RICHARD LEADING UP TO STOP COMMITTEE.
SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE AND PRESS FORWARD WHAT WE HAVE.
I ASKED BILL FOR AN UPDATE ON THE SPLASH PAD.
I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE DELAY THERE, BUT ALONG WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLE WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE LIABILITY, IT LOOKS LIKE SPLASH PAD WON'T BE OPEN NEXT WEEK FOR SPRING BREAK OF AND DUVALL, BUT IT SHOULD BE OPEN MID APRIL.
I THINK THAT WE GAVE THEM A 45 DAY EXTENSION.
SO AT LEAST BY SUMMER, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, GREAT.
AND AND THEN TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT BOLE COMMISSIONER BOLE WAS MENTIONING THAT THAT LIABILITY INSURANCE, IF WE COULD HAVE THAT AT LEAST READY TO GO BY THE TIME THE SPLASH PAD OPENS AND IT'S COVERED.
YEAH, THE SPLASH PAD WOULD BE COVERED UNDER OUR INSURANCE.
OKAY. SO WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN WITH THE CARRIER AND GIVEN THEM THE PARTICULARS ON THAT.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHEN WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY VENDOR UTILIZE ONE OF OUR FACILITIES, HOW DO WE NEED TO BE PROTECTED AND INDEMNIFIED FROM THEM? SO IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO SCHEDULES AN ACTIVITY AT ONE OF OUR PARKS OR SCHEDULES A COMMERCIAL EVENT AT ONE OF OUR PARKS, WHAT KIND OF INSURANCE DO THEY NEED TO CARRY AND HOW DO THEY NEED TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY? OKAY, IF IT'S A CITY OWNED OR SPONSORED EVENT, OUR INSURANCE WILL COVER IT.
OKAY. IT'S POINTED AT, YOU KNOW, MONEY MAKING ON CITY PROPERTY, THOSE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY.
[01:20:06]
IT WAS $15,000 TO PUT TWO CAMERAS UP.MAINTENANCE? THERE'S ABOUT $3,000 A YEAR.
AND RECENTLY, WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER KILLINGSWORTH ALLUDED TO, I HAD A PRETTY GOOD WE'LL CALL IT A BUTCHERING OF A CANOPY OUTSIDE MY HOUSE BY THE CITY.
I WANT TO THANK SARAH BOREN FOR COMING OUT.
AND SO WHAT IT'S LED TO WAS, IS THIS WORK THAT ARE THESE ARE THESE CAMERAS WORTH IT? AND SO I TALKED TO THE CHIEF AND HE AND HE SAID IN HIS OPINION, YES, IF WE CAN SAVE ONE LIFE, IF WE CAN, ONE INJURY, WHATEVER, HE THINKS IT'S WORTH IT.
AND I WANT TO TALK TO THE STOCK COMMITTEE ABOUT IT.
OTHERS WERE AFRAID OF BEING SPIED UPON IN THEIR YARD AND THEIR HOUSE.
AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE AGAINST IT, BUT THEY WERE DONE ANYWAY.
AND BUT I WANT TO GET THE THE THOUGHTS OF THE STOCK COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU. THANKS. SO I'LL ROUND IT OUT.
JUST WANT TO DO A SHOUT OUT TO PARKS AND RECREATION TO TRINA AND AND VERONICA, AND THEN ALSO ESPECIALLY TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
POLICE CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MEN AND WOMEN.
THAT SERVED ON SATURDAY TO HELP US WITH TOUR DE PARKS.
HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE DONE THAT, KEVIN? ONLY A COUPLE. YEAH, I THINK I THINK FIVE, BUT IT WAS RENEWED.
IT WAS STARTED A FEW YEARS EARLIER.
WELL, FOR, FOR FOR THE CITIZENS WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A TOUR OF OUR PARKS.
AND WE HAVE MANY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND EVERY I'VE ONLY BEEN ON IT TWICE THE LAST TWO YEARS.
BUT EACH TIME THERE ARE CITIZENS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO TIDE VIEWS OR NEVER BEEN TO DUTTON ISLAND.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE CITIZENS ENGAGE IN THAT NEXT YEAR.
AND THANK YOU, POLICE CHIEF VIC.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE BACK TO THE AGENDA.
OKAY. WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE FOR A WHILE.
THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. I'LL READ THE TWO ITEMS, BUT BEFORE I DO.
COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO KEEPING THEM UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OKAY. IS THAT YOUR ASK? YES. I, I MOVE THAT WE REMOVE 60 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
YEAH. SO WE'LL WE'LL SEPARATE THEM.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM SIX A.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY REPORTS.
NO. THE. YOU ONLY PULLED THE ONE ITEM.
WELL, BUT THERE'S ONLY TWO ITEMS, SO.
SO THEN THE ONE THAT'S A6A IS NOW.
SORRY. SIX A IS STILL PART OF THE CONSENT.
SO UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOMETHING OTHERWISE.
SO THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM SIX? A. YEAH. OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I, I OPPOSED THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
[6.B. Approve the schedule of streets to be included in the 2024 Milling & Paving project and approve the Main Street proposed speed humps locations.]
AND APPROVE THE MAIN STREET PROPOSED SPEED HUMPS.LOCATIONS. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
OR DO YOU HAVE A REPORT ON THAT? THERE IS A STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
SO COMMISSION, THIS IS I GUESS IT'S NOT A CONSENT ITEM ANYMORE OR A RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S A IT'S A REQUEST TO APPROVE THE REPAVEMENT LIST FOR THE $550,000 THAT IS BUDGETED FOR 2024, IN TERMS OF MILLING AND ASPHALT.
[01:25:10]
OUR ROBOTICS SYSTEM THAT WE UTILIZE TO GRADE THE PAVEMENT ON ALL OF OUR STREETS.THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
SCOTT'S HERE TO ADDRESS ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
BUT IN GENERAL, IT'S BECAUSE THE STREET NEEDED MORE WORK IF THE STREET WAS RANKED HIGH FOR RESURFACING, BUT IT NEEDED MORE WORK THAN JUST RESURFACING. IT NEEDED TO BE REBUILT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SCOTT, ABOUT THE SPEED HUMPS.
SCOTT WILLIAMS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE SIZE AND COMPARISON TO THE DONNER PARK.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE INCH AND THEN A MILL ONE INCH AND PUT IN SPEED HUMPS MEASURING 12FT WIDE BY 22FT WIDE, CURB TO CURB WITH A 2.5FT OR 2.5IN.
YES. VERTICAL ELEVATION, 2.5FT.
YES. WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO DONNA ROAD AND WE MEASURED THOSE HUMPS.
OKAY LEVELED IT OFF FROM FROM THE TOP OF THE HUMP OUT SEVEN FEET AND SEE WHAT THE HUMP WAS.
WE DID THAT SEVERAL PLACES ON THAT.
MEASURED THOSE. THEY WERE TWO AND A HALF.
I WENT TO THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF DUTTON ISLAND ROAD.
I FORGET THE NAME. NAME OF THE ROAD? JUST ABOUT THE LAST NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE YOU GET TO DUTTON ISLAND.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE MEASURED.
I'M, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JACKSONVILLE.
I JUST WANTED TO MEASURE THEM.
THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN SPEED HUMPS, PLEASE DON'T MAKE THEM THIS HIGH.
YEAH. TWO I WENT OVER THE DONNER PARK SPEED HUMPS THIS WEEKEND.
PERFECT SIZE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE COMPARISON IN THE TWO.
SO, DONNER, PARKER, YOU SPEAK, I MEAN, DONNER ROAD.
OKAY. YEAH, THEY'LL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE.
COULD YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE STREETS THAT DIDN'T THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE MORE CONSTRUCTION THAN JUST REPAVING? YES, I CAN. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
WHAT STREETS ARE GETTING DONE OR NOT.
ONE OF THEM, THE FIRST ONE WAS BEACH AVENUE.
AND THIS IS THE PORTION THAT MEETS TO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.
RIGHT ALONG THE TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD RIGHT THERE.
IT WOULD INCLUDE PARKING AND EVERYTHING JUST UP TO AHERN.
THE REASON WHY THAT WAS THAT WAS PUT OFF IS BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME.
AND WHEN WE PAVE THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO GO UP TO FIRST STREET DUE FROM ATLANTIC BOULEVARD TO AHERN PARKING AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN THE ROADWAY FROM AHERN TO FIRST STREET. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ROADS.
THE NEXT ONE WAS A HALF CIRCLE WITHIN OCEAN WALK.
WE HAD ALREADY HAD CHOSEN THREE STREETS THAT WERE RANKED RIGHT THERE AT NUMBER TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND OCEAN WALK, AND THIS OTHER ONE WAS JUST A ROUND CIRCLE AROUND THE CUL DE SAC KIND OF AREA.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA ALSO.
SO THIRD STREET WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ON THE CIP PLAN FOR COMPLETE RENOURISHMENT.
THE TRASH TRUCKS CAN'T GET DOWN IT OR ANYTHING.
LAST QUESTION. WHEN IT'D BE KIND OF SILLY TO ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THIS WILL COME IN UNDER BUDGET OR AT BUDGET? ON THE BID.
BUT WHAT'S OUR THINKING? OR DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, ONE STREET YOU WOULD REMOVE IF WE EXCEED THE THE BUDGET, WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WHAT THE PRICES WAS LAST YEAR, WE ADDED 5% ON IT.
GOOD. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TAKE 5% AND AND DO AN EXTRA FEW ROADS.
[01:30:01]
I'VE GONE TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SAID, EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING RIGHT HERE AVERAGES OUT AT $25 A SQUARE YARD.I'VE GOT FOUR STREETS HERE THAT I'VE GOT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY LEFT OVER IN THE CONTRACT.
IT WOULD BE MAYBE $23 A SQUARE YARD.
OKAY. AND THAT ALL GOES THROUGH THE I COME UP WITH THE ROADS WHICH ARE ON THE ROBOTICS.
AND ALSO IT'S APPROVED THROUGH Y'ALL.
THANK YOU. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PROCESS.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE. DID I ACTUALLY READ THAT? LET ME READ THAT AGAIN.
APPROVE THE SCHEDULE OF STREETS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE 2024 MILLING AND PAVING PROJECT.
AND APPROVE THE MAIN STREET PROPOSED SPEED HUMPS LOCATIONS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.
SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.
AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.
I DID HEAR THE VOTE FOR SIX A, BUT I DID NOT HEAR A MOTION OR A SECOND.
I MADE THE MOTION, OR SHE MADE THE MOTION.
MADE THE MOTION, AND COMMISSIONER BOLE MADE THE SECOND.
SO SIX EIGHT WAS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO THAT WAS PASSED AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SIX B THAT WAS JUST VOTED ON WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER RING AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BOLE.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING OR WHAT SHE'S SAYING, IS NEITHER ONE OF US HEARD A MOTION FOR SIX A UNDER CONSENT.
OKAY, WELL, WHERE WE CAN CURE IT.
OKAY, WELL, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT MAYBE NOT.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA SECOND.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
OKAY? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH I, I OPPOSED.
AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-10]
4-03 FOR 20TH STREET LIFT STATION ACCESS WIDENING, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS IN THE CIP.
THIS PROJECT PROVIDES A A DRIVEWAY FOR THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION.
THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS EIGHT FEET.
IT WOULD EXTEND IT TO TEN FEET.
THAT TEN FEET WOULD PUT IT ON OR NEAR OR JUST PAST THE TOP OF THE BURM, DEPENDING UPON WHERE THAT LINE FALLS.
AND SO TO ENSURE THAT THINGS LIKE A FUEL TRUCK AS IT'S DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD DOESN'T SLIP INTO THE DITCH THERE STAFF. AND I FEEL AS THOUGH WE NEED TO BULKHEAD THAT DITCH.
SO THIS PROJECT IS BEFORE YOU.
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS BUDGETED AT $250,000.
WE'RE MOVING SOME MONEY AROUND TO CHANGE THE PROJECT.
WITH THAT. MR. MAYOR, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL HAVE MR. SWANN. YES, AVAILABLE.
GOOD EVENING. STEVE. SWANN CITY ENGINEER.
AND IF YOU SEE TEARS IN MY EYES, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT.
IT'S APPALLING. IT'S KILLING ME TODAY.
COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS FOR MR. SWANN. SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE HOMEOWNERS THAT.
WHAT WHAT HAVE WE DONE ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS? AND LET'S STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, THE WORK, THE WORK WE'RE DOING ON THIS ROAD IS ON THE ON THE DITCH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE DOING ANY ROAD WORK.
[01:35:01]
ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DITCH.THERE IS A PLANTER BOX I THINK WAS POINTED OUT.
I'M NOT SURE IF IF IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MOVE THAT.
WE'LL TALK WITH THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PLANNING TO MOVE ANY PLANTER BOXES.
IN SOME PLACES, IT'S TOO NARROW TO GET OUR SERVICE TRUCKS DOWN THERE.
SO EVENTUALLY THAT BUILDING BACK THERE WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY.
SO TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SAFE ACCESS TO IT.
IF IT'S, IF WE HAVE THE GENERATOR BACK THERE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SAFE ACCESS FOR FUEL TRUCKS.
THERE'S NOT A RISK OF THEM FALLING INTO THE DITCH.
WE CAN BARELY GET OUR SERVICE TRUCKS OR DUAL AXLE TRUCKS BACK THERE NOW TO SERVICE IT.
WHICH ARE BACK THERE ON A ON A WEEKLY BASIS AT LEAST.
AND ALSO IF IN CASE OF A POWER OUTAGE OR A FAILURE OF A PUMP FAILURE WHERE WE NEED TO MANUALLY PUMP THIS LIFT STATION OUT WITH OUR TRUCK, WE CANNOT WE CANNOT GET OUR VAC TRUCK DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
IN THE CASE OF A OF A HURRICANE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TREES DOWN IN THIS AREA.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE ON THE UTILITY SIDE IS TROY, AND I IS MAKING SURE THAT AFTER A MAJOR STORM EVENT, SOME OF THE MAIN THINGS OTHER THAN ACCESS TO THE BEACH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AS WATER, SEWER AND ELECTRICITY.
WE DON'T CONTROL THE ELECTRICITY, BUT WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR TO KEEP THAT SYSTEM RUNNING.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE CAN MOVE BACK TO THE BEACH VERY QUICKLY AND NOT HAVE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THE BEACH OR DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN ATLANTIC BEACH. SO THIS THIS PROJECT IS PART OF KIND OF OUR LONG TERM VULNERABILITY AND RESILIENCY WORK.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALLY PROVIDE THIS ACCESS, WHICH IS IN A 50 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK 84 OR 83 WHENEVER SILVA NORTE WAS PLATTED THERE.
GIVES US JUST ENOUGH ROOM WITH THAT DRAINAGE DITCH THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE TO TO ADD ABOUT TWO MORE FEET TO THAT ROAD, WHICH AND MAKE IT A STABLE SURFACE ON THE, ON THE WATER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ROAD COLLAPSING IN A TRUCK ROLLING IN THERE.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE PROJECT.
IS IT CRITICAL? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT TODAY? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT LONG TERM IT'S IT'S A NECESSARY PROJECT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE QUITE A LONG TIME AGO.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE RESIDENTS CONCERN ABOUT TAKING DOWN THAT RETAINING WALL AND THE FENCE? THE FENCE WOULD FALL WITH IT.
YEAH. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE TAKING DOWN ANY RETAINING WALLS.
WE ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
IT WAS PURCHASED OR TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY BACK IN 2000.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THE HISTORY BEHIND THAT.
I DO KNOW THAT THAT LIFT STATION AREA WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT FOR THE SETTLEMENT, BUT WHEN THE CITY BOUGHT IT THAT PROPERTY, I ASSUME THAT'S WHEN THEIR RETAINING WALL WAS BUILT.
AND WE DON'T PLAN ON IMPACTING THAT RETAINING WALL OR FENCE ALONG THAT WALL THAT I KNOW OF.
OKAY. AND IF WE IF WE DO, I'LL BE CERTAIN TO TALK TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
WE WON'T LEAVE THEM HANGING OUT THERE WITH RIPPING SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT.
AND. WELL, I BELIEVE THE THREE HOMEOWNERS AND TWO OF THEM ARE IN THE EASEMENT, AND ONE OF THEM BORDERS PROPERTY THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS, AND THE TWO AND THE TWO THAT BORDER THE EASEMENT. WE'RE NOT OR EACH ALL THREE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE STAYING AS FAR TO THE EAST OF THE ROAD AS WE CAN, WHICH IS ADDING TWO MORE FEET TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. DOES THIS AREA FLOOD A LOT? MAIER UP, UP INTO THESE YARDS OR THESE? IT'S IT'S ALL IN THE HUNDRED.
IT'S ALL IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
THE LIFT STATIONS IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
AS FAR AS FLOODING HISTORY, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE FLOODING HISTORY IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS AND I BUT I DON'T DISPUTE THE FACT THAT LONG TERM WE COULD HAVE AN ISSUE.
[01:40:08]
SO I, I GET THAT AND I, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE THAT POINT.WHAT I DO WANT TO MAY I TAKE THE FLOOR I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
PROPERTY. ALSO, THE LAST QUESTION WAS A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, OR AT LEAST THE YOUNG LADY, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LIFT STATION AND THE SMELL, THE SIGHT AND ALL THAT.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT ESTHETICALLY MORE.
WELL, HE SAID, WHEN WE REBUILD THIS LIFT STATION AND CONVERT IT TO A SUBMERSIBLE STATION.
YEAH. THAT BUILDING, THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL GO AWAY.
SO IT WILL NOT BE NEAR AS OBTRUSIVE.
WE COULD PAINT IT IN THE INTERIM.
WE COULD PAINT IT ANOTHER COLOR.
WE COULD PLANT BAMBOO AROUND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING, PERHAPS.
I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENT THAT SAID, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.
YEAH. THERE IS NO RUSH TO APPROVE THIS.
SO MY SENSE IS WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
I. I DON'T KNOW, MR. CITY MANAGER. CAN CAN WE GET CAN WE GET SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT CITY? AND I'M. AND THIS IS NO DISRESPECT TO MR. SWANN OR MR. STEVENS, BUT CAN WE GET AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO GIVE US SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THIS? SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND THIS IS WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME IN.
IF YOU WERE CONFUSED LIKE ME, I UNDERSTAND.
INITIALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ABOUT BRINGING A CRANE IN TO LOAD A GENERATOR ONTO THE SPOT.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR VACUUM TRUCK CAN'T NAVIGATE THAT NARROW ROADWAY WITHOUT RISK WE'VE BEEN OUTSOURCING TO A COMPANY ASSUMINGLY WITH A SMALLER VACUUM TRUCK.
AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT'S THE COST OF CONTINUING THAT OUTSOURCING VERSUS 500,000? IT'S NOT 500. IT'S 400.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS WHAT ARE OUR ALTERNATIVES ARE AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING OR BE CORRECTED.
OR. WAIT A SECOND. NO I THINK I THINK TROY MISTAKENLY SAID THAT LAST TIME.
IT'S TAKING IT FROM AN 8 OR 9 FOOT.
THE PATH MEANDERS TO A TEN FOOT.
BUT THE BULK OF THE EXPENSE IS THE BULK HEADING.
SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE MORE EXPLORATION AND I'LL COME TO YOU IN ONE SECOND, COMMISSIONER.
BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS OUR PLAN WITH EACH OF OUR OTHER LIFT STATIONS, AND WHERE DOES RESILIENCY FIT IN WITH EACH OF THEM? BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THIS ISSUE AND DOING THINGS FOR RESILIENCY.
AS FAR AS FLOODING, THOUGH, I THINK AT LEAST BASED ON OBSERVATION, THAT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN FLOODING IN THAT AREA AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DITCH OVERFLOW.
IF ANYBODY KNOWS THAT, THEN PLEASE SPEAK UP.
SO I'M, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS COMMISSION TO DEFER ON THIS AND GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE VOTE FOR A HALF MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE NECESSARY. YES, SIR, I'M GOING TO TAKE AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW HERE.
WE VOTED AND SET PRIORITIES FOR RESILIENCY, REDUNDANCY, STORMWATER.
YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T HAVE PUT MORE DOTS ON THAT PRIOR ART, RIGHT? I THINK EVERYBODY WAS IN THE ROOM UNDERSTANDS THAT.
AND I LOOK AT THESE GUYS THINK THIS IS A PRIORITY.
AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER ALSO TO THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT BUT I WANT THE TIME HORIZON TO DO THAT.
SO I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
OKAY. SO WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION AT DURING THE I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T DO IT? AND I WAS I WAS EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THIS THE THIS GENERATOR IS GOING TO PREVENT THE LIFT STATION FROM SPILLING OVER WITH ALL THE NOXIOUS SEWER CONTENTS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO OUR INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM.
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THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS GENERATOR ISN'T, IS TO KEEP THE LIFT STATION OPERATING, AND I IT'S IT IS ASTONISHING THAT THE PROJECT HAS DOUBLED IN EXPENSE, BUT WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.AND I'M NOT SURE THAT BY WAITING, WE THE PRICE WOULD GO DOWN AT ALL.
AND, COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
BUT AGAIN, TIME IS OUR FRIEND HERE.
THERE IS NO RUSH OF URGENCY HERE TO DO THIS.
WHAT CAN THEY EXPECT? HONESTLY, NOT A SURPRISE.
YOU KNOW WHAT IS HONESTLY GOING TO COME THERE? AND IF THEY ALL IF ALL IF STEVE OR WHOEVER, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME INDEPENDENT PLACE, WHATEVER, THEY GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO REALLY IMPACT. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IMPACTED A THIRD OF THEIR YARD.
WELL, THANK YOU. AND GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
YEAH I AGREE WITH TABLING IT FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
DO WE HAVE A STUDY ON HOW MANY OF OUR LIFT STATIONS ARE PART OF THIS GENERATOR? REJUVENATION, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IN THE GENERATORS IF YOU SAID 14 AND IT'LL BE ONE OF 14, WE HAVE WE HAVE 14 GENERATORS, OUR LIFT STATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS BEING VULNERABLE TO SEA LEVEL RISE.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE BACKUP POWER FIRST.
CAMELLIA STREET IS AN EXAMPLE WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE WE ADDED A GENERATOR OVER THERE.
THE GENERATOR IS NOT VERY HIGH.
IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS THE BUILDING.
AND AS FAR AS AS ALTERNATIVES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES.
AND ONE ALTERNATIVE IS TO PIPE THAT WHOLE DITCH.
AND WE COULD DO THAT AND THAT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE AS WELL.
BUT IT TAKE UP MORE STORMWATER, FLOODWATER STORAGE.
SO WE OPTED NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE.
SO THE, THE, THE LEAST MAINTENANCE ROUTE IS TO PUT IN THAT BULKHEAD AND WIDEN THE ROAD BY TWO FEET.
AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING ON THE SIDE WHERE THE HOMES ARE OR GOING TOWARDS THE DITCH SIDE.
NOW, TO BE CLEAR, I'M AWARE OF THAT.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD IN THAT THE DRAWING, THAT WAS THE ATTACHMENT.
WE ARE BY, I DON'T KNOW, A FOOT OR TWO.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT, SAYING, I'D LIKE TO HEAR.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOLUTIONS THAT AREN'T A HALF $1 MILLION AND A BEAUTIFUL BULKHEAD ON A DITCH.
THAT'S JUST MY WAY OF THINKING.
BUT GO AHEAD AND BRING YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BOLE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-10.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
TWO. TO TO NOT APPROVE THE MOTION.
SO CITY MANAGER, I, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A A STRONG DIRECTION ON THIS, BUT CAN YOU AT LEAST LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION? WE CAN'T TALK AS A GROUP BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I CERTAINLY WILL TALK TO YOU IN YOUR OFFICE NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN YOU CAN TALK TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER LIFT STATIONS.
THIS ONE'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY.
AND FOR THE CITIZENS HERE, THIS ONE IS UNIQUE.
WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I'M LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU PUT A LIFT STATION OF THREE AND FOUR HOUSES DEEP ALONG A DITCH WITH, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE TO HAVE AN EASEMENT TO GET THERE? MOST LIFT STATIONS ARE ACCESSIBLE BY A CITY OWNED ROADWAY.
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AND THEN I'D LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD AND CONVEYED TO THE OWNERS THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED.AND, AND I WANT TO GO ON RECORD ON THIS.
AND, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, I APOLOGIZE.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT IN PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION.
AND THIS EMANATED FROM THE UNFORTUNATE EFFECTS TO THE COMMUNITY OF LAKESIDE.
LAKESIDE. I THINK IT'S LAKESIDE.
AND NOBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONSULTED.
SO AT THAT TIME, AT LEAST TWO CITY MANAGERS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT NOT DOING ANY PROJECT IN ANY PART OF THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT DIRECT NOTICE TO THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS BEFORE WE ENGAGE IN A PROJECT.
SO TONIGHT, IF WE HAD VOTED TO DO THIS, WE STILL HAVEN'T PROPERLY ENGAGED THE CITIZENS.
AND I DO HOPE THAT THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO THE RETENTION WALL AND THE EFFECT ON THAT.
YEAH. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER REQUESTS THERE? OKAY. AND SEE.
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-12]
WE'RE NOW AT ITEM EIGHT B.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN, BUT YOU HAVE THE THE YOU HAVE THE PRIORITIES AND THE THEMES AND PROJECTS AS WE COLLECTED THEM AND PROPOSED THEM.
SO I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO A VOTE.
YEAH. JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHITTLING THE MISSION DOWN TO ONE LINER.
WOULDN'T THAT KIND OF BE A MOTTO? I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT TO ME, YOU KNOW, IS THAT KIND OF THE CITY'S MOTTO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE IT MORE CONCISE, DISTILLED DOWN CLEARER.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR GOAL IS? YEAH. SO THE GOAL IS A.
I CAN READ IT. YEAH. SO A I'D LIKE THE ABILITY WHEN I'M OUT WITH STAFF.
I HAVE MET WITH EVERY STAFF PERSON IN THE CITY.
I MEET WITH THEM RANDOMLY EVERY MONTH.
SO I WAS JUST ENGAGING WITH THE EMPLOYEES.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WHAT'S OUR MISSION? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? YEAH. AND THEN IF THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I THOUGHT YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOLLOWED THROUGH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IS GOOD.
YOU KNOW, FOR ROWE IT WAS JUST A RANDOM THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I STRONGLY APPROVE A B I LOVE THE FACT THAT OUR OUR PRIORITIES ARE JUST NOT AS HARD IN THE IN THE DESK ANYMORE, THAT THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE TRACTION.
THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL JUST ADD TO IT.
SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 DASH 12.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I, I THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
THANK YOU. ITEM NINE, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 22, DASH 24, DASH 172.
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-24-172, Introduction and First Reading. ]
THIS IS INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE COMMISSION VOTED TO ASK ME TO BRING FORTH A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE FUNDS. YOU'LL SEE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING $200,000 FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IN ASSISTANCE.
AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE, JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WHO QUESTIONED WHY WE'RE APPROPRIATING THIS MUCH MONEY. AND THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE WE EXPECT 200 FROM THEM.
AND I GUESS WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD OKAY.
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LEAVE IT TO YOU. OKAY.DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20, DASH 24, DASH 172.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I OPPOSED.
THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUEST]
MR. CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY? QUITE A BIT. QUITE A BIT NOW.AND I THINK I INFORMED YOU WITH SOME BRIEF OUTLINE AS TO WHAT THE THE ELEMENTS ARE, THAT THERE'S A FEDERAL AND STATE CASE CLAIM THAT'S BEEN FILED BY A, A LAW FIRM CALLED WEISS SIROTA AT A SOUTH FLORIDA.
AND I THINK I INFORMED YOU ALSO THAT THEY'RE CHARGING A $10,000 FLAT FEE, INCLUSIVE OF ATTORNEY'S FEES TO JOIN THIS THIS CLAIM.
THE ATTORNEY AND I HAVE CONVERSED A COUPLE OF TIMES BACK AND FORTH, AND THEY WILL BE AMENDING THE COMPLAINT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO ADD SOME MORE PLAINTIFFS, AND THEY'LL PROBABLY DO IT ONCE MORE, END OF MARCH, BEGINNING OF APRIL, IN ORDER TO ADD MORE PLAINTIFFS.
I LEAVE IT TO YOU TO GIVE ME ANY FURTHER DIRECTION ON THIS THERE.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SUBSIDY OR REIMBURSEMENT.
I THINK THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WAS ONE PLACE.
THEY'RE NOT COVERING ANY OF THESE COSTS.
THEY'RE JUST KEEPING PEOPLE INFORMED OF THE LITIGATION.
AND I KNOW YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ONE OTHER THING IS OBVIOUSLY THE LEGISLATIVE THE LAST STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, I THINK ENDED TODAY, I BELIEVE AND THERE'LL BE SOME ITEMS THAT WE MAY WANT TO DISCUSS AT A LATER DATE.
THERE WAS ONE ABOUT CAMPING AND SLEEPING.
YEAH. OVERNIGHT THERE WAS SOME QUIRKY CHANGES TO THE LAW ON THAT.
AND I SAY QUIRKY BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK ON FACE VALUE.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CONSTITUTIONAL ELEMENTS TO IT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, I'M NOT SURE I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO SIGN THEM.
I'M NOT SURE IF HE HAS YET OR NOT, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE STOCK OF THE ONES THAT MAY PERTAIN TO US THAT THE GOVERNOR DOES SIGN, THAT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT AT A FUTURE DATE. BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT, THAT'S MY REPORT.
GOOD. THE DID YOU GET THE COST PER PARTICIPANT IN THE CLASS ACTION SUIT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A $10,000 FLAT FEE.
REGARDLESS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PLAINTIFF WOULD BE, IN THIS CASE, THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO INCLUDING AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN 100% CLARITY FROM THE.
AND MAYOR CURTIS FORD, PERHAPS I JUST TO USE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO BUT YOU ALWAYS CALL ON, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
SO YOU WANT ME TO PASS THE HAT? WE'LL TAKE COLLECTIONS NOW.
WE NEEDED TO KNOW THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST.
NUMBER ONE IS, I'M NOT PERSONALLY INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT, BUT I DID WANT THE INFORMATION.
AND IF EACH OF YOU HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, PLEASE SHARE IT.
BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT.
BUT COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
APPRECIATE IT. DONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR REPORTS? I DO HAVE A NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST THAT'S SUPPOSED TO START ON MONDAY.
CONGRATULATIONS. OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING.
COMMISSIONERS. LET'S START AT THE OTHER END.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
FINAL COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR CITY MANAGER, KILLINGSWORTH, FOR PUTTING TOGETHER OUR PRIORITIES, TAKING THEM AND TURNING THEM INTO SMART[02:00:01]
GOALS. YES, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID.AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN 2024.
FOURTH ANNUAL DONUT DASH, THE 13TH OF APRIL.
IT'S A5K RUN BENEFITS OF FLETCHER BAND PROGRAM AT THE JACK TAYLOR STADIUM.
ALL YOU MUSICIANS, ALL YOUR ATHLETES, GO OUT THERE, RUN A5K REAL QUICK.
THE SECOND THING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TAKING MY BOY, CHIEF.
MY RESCUE BOY, CHIEF TO PAULSON PARK.
OH, YOU HAVE A NEW DOG ON THE 23RD OF MARCH.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BRING YOUR DOGS.
OKAY. COMMISSIONER KELLY I MEANT TO MENTION THIS EARLIER.
THERE WAS A DOOR, A DOOR HANGER AT MY HOUSE SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO CLOSE WITH THE EAST COAST.
YES, AND AT THE WAS TOTALLY ANONYMOUS, AND I ASSUMED THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE HAVE NOT FULLY NEGOTIATED THAT YET.
AND THE HANGAR THAT YOU WILL GET WILL BE MORE INFORMATIVE THAN WHAT? THE, I GUESS, DEVELOPER PLACED ON THE DOOR THAT HAD NO INFORMATION OTHER THAN IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSED FOR A MONTH, SIX WEEKS SUMMER.
BEACHES, TOWN CENTER, AGENCY, GOLF CLASSIC.
AND I THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR PUTTING THAT OUT THERE APRIL 11TH.
IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RAISE MONEY FOR BEACHES TOWN CENTER.
WE'VE ALSO GOT YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH DANCING IN THE STREETS.
THAT'S COMING UP. THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME.
WELL ATTENDED ONE SMALL MINOR.
WHEN WE VOTE FOR A RESOLUTION.
AND IT'S NOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A ROLL CALL.
VOTE? AS WE SAID BEFORE, AM I RIGHT? IT WOULD HELP YOU. BUT, I MEAN, YOU GO ON THE RECORD AND TECHNICALLY, IF IT'S 3 TO 2, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A ROLL CALL.
YOU COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANT. OKAY.
NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. ARE YOU READING FROM THE RULE? NO. I'M READING I'M ASKING, ASKING DONNA THAT WHEN WE WHEN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING.
RIGHT. THAT'S NOT UNANIMOUS ON THE ON THE DOCUMENT HERE, IT SAYS ROLL CALL, AM I.
I THINK IF THERE'S A LACK OF CLARITY, YOU DO THE ROLL CALL.
AND TYPICALLY I JUST I WAS JUST CHECKING.
SO BUT BUT FROM MY MEMORY, JUST IN CASE IT'S QUESTION, I DO RECALL MR. BOLE AND MISS KELLY VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT ONE ITEM.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE, RIGHT? NO, NO. AND I TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
PROBABLY WE'LL CONTINUE OR WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ROLL CALL.
WE DO ABIDE BY ROBERT'S RULES, EXCEPT WHEN WE HAVE OUR OWN RULES.
OH, MR. KILLINGSWORTH SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'VE COMMENTED ENOUGH.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR HANGING IN THERE.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
I SHOT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.