May 28, 2024 Commission Meeting

I KNOW. WELCOME.

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HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PAST WEEKEND.

THAT ALLOWED US MORE THAN JUST AN ADDITIONAL DAY TO BE WITH OUR FAMILIES, BUT A DAY TO REMEMBER AND HONOR THOSE WHO FOUGHT AND DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY.

THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL NEVER COME BACK HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES.

WE ASK YOU TO COMFORT THE LOVED ONES WHO ARE FOREVER MISSING THEIR FALLEN SOLDIER.

WE HONOR THE VALIANT CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTRY WHOSE SACRIFICE ALLOWS US TO ASSEMBLE, PETITION, ELECT AND GOVERN OURSELVES.

WE CONTINUE TO PRAY A HEDGE OF PROTECTION OVER OUR ARMED FORCES WHO ARE SERVING OUR COUNTRY AT HOME OR ABROAD, WHETHER IN DRILLS OR IN DEPLOYMENT.

WE WILL OR BE WITH THEM AS THEY FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS AND BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES WHO SACRIFICE HOLIDAYS AND PRECIOUS TIME WITH THEIR LOVED ONES.

WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSING OVER TONIGHT'S MEETING, AS WE LOOK OVER OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION AND MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WILL AFFECT OUR STAFF'S OPERATIONS, POLICIES IN PLACE FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONS AND OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

MAY YOUR FAVOR AND DIVINE WISDOM REST UPON US TONIGHT.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

DONNA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL? I HAVEN'T EVEN CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER.

WELL, LET'S DO THAT FIRST.

THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED MAY 28TH 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM ONE, A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE TOWN HALL MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 20TH, 2024.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ITEM 1B, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MAY 13TH, 2024.

ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? OKAY HEARING NONE.

THOSE MINUTES ARE ALSO APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.

NOW WE'LL MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

SO IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES WORTH OF MATERIAL, WE'RE INTERESTED.

DONNA, ARE YOU READY TO CALL OUT THE NAMES? NOT LISTENING TO WHAT WAS GOING ON.

WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE AT COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

OKAY. I BET YOUR TEACHER SAID YOU TALK TOO MUCH IN CLASS.

WELL, I'M SORRY, I WAS HELPING A CITIZEN.

ELLEN GLASSER.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION, MAYOR, STAFF.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

I'VE BEEN GONE FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS.

NOTHING'S BEEN HAPPENING SINCE I WAS, SINCE I LEFT, HAVEN'T EVEN UNPACKED YET.

BUT I DID HEAR THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT CHARTER, THE CHARTER RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT.

SO I'VE COME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WAS IN SPAIN.

I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THAT, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT ROBIN EL DEL CAMINO.

THE OWNER, OF ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT GREW UP THERE WAS THE OWNER OF THE ONE OF THE LAND GRANTS IN SOUTH ATLANTIC BEACH BACK IN THE 1700S.

SO I MANAGED TO PHOTOGRAPH THE GRAVES AND BE, YOU KNOW, VISIT WITH THE MONKS THERE, AND IT WAS PRETTY COOL SORT OF CONNECT AB HISTORY TO WHAT I WAS DOING OVER THERE.

AND AGAIN, BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER, I'M WEARING MY AB SAVE ABE SHIRT.

I SEE THAT BILL IS WEARING HIS, AND I'M NOT HERE TO ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING.

I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION AND THE MAYOR'S ADVOCACY AND SUPPORT OF ABE, BUT I WILL SAY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY POLITE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, BUT I JUST AM SPEAKING AS A CITIZEN THAT I FEEL LIKE THIS CLOSURE LIST AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE FUNDING AT DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS A SPECTACULAR FAILURE ON THE PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO PLAN A FAILURE OF IMAGINATION IN TERMS OF HOW TAX DOLLARS WERE GOING TO BE USED TO SUPPORT SCHOOLS SUPPORTING CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE YET TO HAVE TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR TAX DOLLARS

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AND I JUST HOPE THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND THE STATE DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE MADNESS HERE AND THAT THEY INDIVIDUALLY SPEAK UP FOR THEIR KIDS IN THEIR DISTRICTS TO ASK THAT THIS CLOSURE LIST BE SET ASIDE UNTIL SOME REASONABLE MEASURES CAN BE PLANNED FOR HOW TO SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS? I THINK THE TAXPAYERS WERE FOOLED EVEN THOUGH THE CHARTER LANGUAGE WAS IN THE REFERENDUM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS WAS A SPECTACULAR FAIL AND WE NEED TO STAND UP AND SAY SO.

SO WITH THAT SAID I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER RECOMMENDATIONS.

I WANT TO COMMEND THE CRC, A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE, A LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE.

I DO HAVE SOME OPINIONS ON HOW THE PROCESS WORKED.

I THINK THAT THEY COULD HAVE BENEFITED A LOT FROM STAFF INPUT ON MANY OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE THEY DECIDED ON RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE AND I HOPE YOU'LL JUST REFER TO THEM SO I DON'T HAVE TO STATE WHAT THEY WERE.

ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CHANGE THE PRIMARY ELECTION.

I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT.

THERE WAS AN ERROR, I BELIEVE, MADE BY A PRIOR COMMISSION TO WHEN I WAS MAYOR.

I THINK IT WAS DONE KNOWINGLY TO USE A PLURALITY OF THE VOTE, AND PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON UNTIL WE HAD, IN YOUR CASE, SIR A MAYOR THAT WAS ELECTED BY LESS THAN A MAJORITY.

SO I'M GLAD TO FIX THAT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOVE WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS, WHAT IT'S ABOUT ADDING TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK IT IS SO PREMATURE TO HAVE THAT ON THE BALLOT.

I MEAN, IF WE DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING FROM HAVING THAT PRIMARY CHANGE MADE AND THEN HAVING TO UNDO IT, WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THAT.

NOT ONLY WILL IT BE COSTLY, IT WILL BE CONFUSING TO OUR VOTERS, AND IT IS GOING TO DILUTE THE INPUT FROM THE MORE SIDE, PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY OTHER MOVE THAT COULD BE MADE.

IN OUR PAST ELECTIONS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CANDIDATES AND THERE'S NOT A GLUT, YOU KNOW, A GLUT OF CANDIDATES WHO ARE TRYING TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

SO IF YOU HEAR THAT AS AN ARGUMENT, I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST DISMISS IT.

BUT. MOST OF THE CANDIDATES COME FROM A VERY SMALL PART OF THE EAST SIDE.

AND SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN? AN UNINTENDED OR INTENDED CONSEQUENCE IS TO BRING MORE POWER TO A CERTAIN BLOC OF PEOPLE, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE DIRECT EXPENSE OF THE MARSH SIDE.

I THINK THIS IS SUCH A PREMATURE MOVE WITHOUT ADEQUATE DUE DILIGENCE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SMALL CITIES.

AGAIN, LACK OF STAFFING IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS DONE IN OTHER SMALL TOWNS.

SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME.

I WILL SAY IN TERMS OF NUMBER FIVE, RESIDENCY, AGAIN AT THE EXPENSE OF HAVING NO STAFFING ON WHAT IS DONE TO ASK FOR A FOUR YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BREAK ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DIE ON THAT MOUNTAIN.

BUT THAT MAKES US AN OUTLIER FOR ALL OFFICES LIKE STATE, FEDERAL AND LOCAL.

SO PLEASE KEEP ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, IT IS PART OF OUR DNA.

IT'S NOT NAMBY PAMBY STUFF.

RESILIENCY IS NUMBER ONE.

AND I THINK THE CITIZENS REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT THERE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M SORRY I WENT OVER.

WELCOME BACK, MAYOR.

SARA BOREN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGER, CITY CLERK, CITY ATTORNEY AND AB COMMUNITY.

THANKS FOR COMING OUT. MY NAME IS SARAH BOREN AND I LIVE ON EIGHTH STREET.

I ATTENDED ALL BUT THREE OF THE CRC MEETINGS AND THOSE I MISSED, I WATCHED THE RECORDING.

THE CRC MEMBERS ARE TO BE COMMENDED AND HEARTILY THANKED FOR ALL THE TIME, ENERGY AND DUE DILIGENCE THEY PUT INTO THIS PROCESS.

I AM HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, TO BE MOVED FORWARD FOR INDIVIDUAL BALLOT MEASURES, AND TO MAKE A FEW SUGGESTIONS OF REGARDING FUTURE CRC PROCESS AND SELECTION. FIRST, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX AND RESOLUTION 2428.

I WANT TO URGE YOU TO VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX REGARDING ADDING PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF BEACHES, MARSHES, MARITIME TREE CANOPY AND PROPERTY THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO BE PLACED ON NOVEMBER'S BALLOT.

THE ESC UNANIMOUSLY VOTED FOR STRONGER LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED TO THE CHARTER, AND THEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY PASSED A REVISED PROPOSAL WITH 11 OUT OF 13 VOTES IN FAVOR.

THAT EQUALS 22 AB CITIZENS THOUGHTFULLY DELIBERATING AND AGREEING TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION.

THE CITY'S CHARTER ACTS LIKE THE CITY'S CONSTITUTION AND THEREFORE SHOULD SHARE THE CITY'S VALUES AND PRINCIPLES, AS WELL AS ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AND OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES.

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CARING FOR OUR NATURAL ASSETS IS BOTH A VALUE AND AN OBLIGATION.

AS TO THE PURIST AND ORIGINALIST ARGUMENT, THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR ADDING NEW IMPORTANT ASPECTS TO OUR CHARTER.

ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT OUR CHARTER DID NOT PREDICT HEAVY DEVELOPMENT, SO A HEIGHT LIMIT AMENDMENT WAS INTRODUCED AND PASSED BY 72% VOTE IN FAVOR.

OUR CURRENT CHARTER HAS NO MENTION OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR PROTECTING NATURAL ASSETS, AND THEREFORE SHOULD ADAPT TO MODERN DAY SCIENCE AND DATA, SUCH AS FREQUENT SUNNY DAY FLOODING AND STEADILY MEASURED SEA LEVEL RISE.

FINALLY, THERE IS NO REAL DOWNSIDE TO MOVING THIS AMENDMENT ON TO THE BALLOT AND LETTING AB CITIZENS DECIDE IF THEY WANT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIR CITY CHARTER. SECOND, THE BALLOT PROCESS.

PLEASE CONSIDER PRESENTING EACH OF THESE AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT IN MASS, WITH ONE VOTE FOR ALL VIA A YES OR NO VOTE.

INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENT MEASURES GIVE AB RESIDENTS TRUE POWER TO VOTE FOR WHAT THEY WANT AND NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT ONE AMENDMENT THEY DON'T REALLY WANT FOR A MEASURE THEY DO REALLY WANT.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS CLEAR AND SIMPLE.

MUSEUM EDUCATION STANDARD IS THAT TO USE LANGUAGE THAT A FIFTH GRADER CAN UNDERSTAND BY MY READ, THERE ARE FIVE MEDIUM TO MAJOR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

THE PRIMARY ELECTION SYSTEM INCREASED NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS TO SEVEN, WITH TWO ADDITIONAL AT LARGE SEATS.

STRENGTHENING PROTECTION OF PARKS BY REQUIRING PUBLIC REFERENDUM FOR SALE OF ANY PARKLAND RESIDENCY GOING FROM TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, AND THEN ADDING ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP LANGUAGE.

AND THEN THERE'S THREE KIND OF SMALL CLERICAL OR CLEAN UP CHANGES, THE SLIGHT DATE CHANGE TO WHEN A TERM OFFICIALLY STARTS, A CORRECT ROLE UPDATED AND DEFINED FOR CITY CLERK, AND CHANGING NO LESS THAN THREE TO A MAJORITY VOTE.

MY POINT IN READING OUT ALL THESE AMENDMENTS IS THAT I BELIEVE THE AB COMMUNITY CAN HANDLE ALL EIGHT OF THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT BALLOT FATIGUE.

THEY CAN BE ORGANIZED IN A CLEAR WAY.

FINALLY, ON THIS KIND OF BALLOT PROCESS, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE NEXT STEPS.

IS THERE GOING TO BE ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING SLASH WORKSHOP, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A FIRST AND SECOND READING, THIRD ON THE CRC PROCESS SUGGESTIONS WHILE STILL FRESH IN THEIR MINDS AND IT'S A BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE EACH CRC MEMBER AND MAYBE EVEN CITIZENS COMPLETE AN ANONYMOUS DEBRIEF SURVEY SO THAT FUTURE CRCS CAN CONTINUALLY IMPROVE.

I RECOMMEND ANONYMOUS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE TO RESPOND CANDIDLY AND WITHOUT POLITICAL CALCULUS.

RECOMMEND NOT REPEATING HOW WE DID CRC MEMBER SELECTION THIS TIME AROUND.

THERE IS A MUCH MORE FAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE PROCESS THAT CAN AND SHOULD BE TAKEN.

PER THE CRC'S RECOMMENDATION, THE COMMISSION SHOULD SET UP RULES FOR CRC MEMBER SELECTION NOW, WHILE THE LESSON IS CURRENT AND NOT WAIT EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW.

AND THEN CLEAR AND DOCUMENTED PROCESS TO EVALUATE AND UPDATE DISTRICTS BASED ON EVERY NEW CENSUS IS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION BY THE CRC FOR YOU GUYS TO CLINIC DO BY ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.

SECOND TO LAST ITEM, HIGHER COMMISSION PAY.

TOTALLY AGREE, YOU GUYS ARE UNDERPAID, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A POLITICAL FOOTBALL TO KIND OF START THAT PROCESS.

BUT MAYBE A SUGGESTION IS YOU GUYS DO IT, BUT FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS, SO YOU KNOW, YOU SET THE DATE OUT FARTHER IN THE END.

I WILL END WITH REITERATING MY CALL FOR YOUR VOTE TO LET AB RESIDENTS DECIDE IF THEY WANT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IN THEIR CHARTER.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR DELIBERATION AND LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU, MISS BOURNE.

CAROL SCHWARTZ.

I'M CAROL SCHWARTZ.

I LIVE ON TIERRA VERDE DRIVE, AND I'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS.

ACTUALLY, TOMORROW, 40 YEARS.

SO IT'S A HEAVEN HERE.

IT'S PARADISE, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT NUMBER SIX ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT THIS WAY. WHAT IF WE HAD NO POWER HERE TO EXERCISE AUTHORITY ON THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION BEACHES, MARSHES, ETC.? IT, WE WOULD LOSE SO MUCH THAT WE COULD NOT POSSIBLY RECOVER.

AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS WONDERFUL PLACE WITH ITS TREES AND OTHER ASSETS.

AND IT WOULD LITERALLY WE WOULD LITERALLY LOSE THIS BIT BY BIT.

I WATCHED PARKING LOTS.

LOOKS LIKE PARKING LOTS WHEN I DRIVE BY LOTS.

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THERE'S NOTHING ALIVE ON IT, EVERYTHING IS CLEARED.

THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US.

WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

BUT THOSE WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY, WHO OWN THE LOT, WHICH COULD BE A DEVELOPER OR A PERSON, AN INDIVIDUAL THEY HAVE THEY CAN DO THIS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME POWER TO PRESERVE ALL OF THIS.

WE HAVE SEA LEVEL CHANGE COMING UP FROM THE OCEAN AND BUBBLING UP FROM THE RIVER.

ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD HURT US.

I AND I ASK YOU TO KEEP THIS IN OUR CHARTER, AND THIS WILL BE IN EFFECT FOR TEN YEARS.

THINK TEN YEARS AHEAD WITH NO AUTHORITY OR NO PROTECTION REALLY, AS WE HAVE IT HERE IN THE CHARTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SCHWARTZ.

LISA HAROLD.

HI, LISA HAROLD.

MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.

I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK, AND THANK THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THAT WAS A VERY BIG ASK, AND I WATCHED MOST OF THE MEETINGS, AND I THINK THAT THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

LOTS OF GREAT, INVOLVED CITIZENS.

BUT I'M HERE PARTICULARLY TO SPEAK ABOUT NUMBER SIX.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO REMAIN IN OUR CHARTER.

IT'S WHO WE ARE.

IT'S THE CORE OF WHO WE ARE, AND I THINK DURING THE LAST MEETING, MAYOR FORD, YOU EVEN SAID YOU WERE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND DOES IT BELONG IN THE CHARTER? DOES IT NOT BELONG IN THE CHARTER? AND THEN YOU SAID THESE WORDS ARE IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

SO IT IS WHO WE ARE.

IT'S WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT REALLY QUICK IS, I THINK INCREASING THE SIZE OF THIS COMMISSION, IT'S GOING TO NOT ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE REASON STATED FOR IS.

I THINK IT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT INCREASE REPRESENTATION ON THE MARSH SIDE.

WE WOULD HAVE AND I, I'VE LIVED HERE PRACTICALLY MY WHOLE LIFE, SO IT WOULD INCREASE REPRESENTATION HERE IN THE CORE CITY AND EAST OF SEMINOLE. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MISS HAROLD.

SUZANNE BARKER.

OH, HI, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

HOPE YOU ALL HAD A NICE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE OF NUMBER SIX IN THE CHARTER REVIEW.

WHAT? THEY PUT FORTH THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PART.

AND I, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.

GIVE OR TAKE. I'M NOT GOING TO BE REAL SPECIFIC OF THAT, LIKE CAROL WAS, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE CITIZENS, WE CARE.

WE CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE CARE ABOUT OUR TREES.

YOU KNOW, WE CARE ABOUT OUR TREES.

WE WE HAVE A LOVELY ENVIRONMENT, BUT CAN I SAY CLIMATE CHANGE? WE HAVE PROBLEMS. WE HAVE COMING YOU KNOW, THE MARSH SIDE IS GETTING FLOODING.

WE'VE HEARD FROM CITIZENS ON THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE BEACH TO RENOURISHMENT.

THAT'S SOMETHING.

AND IT HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMISSION'S PRIORITY WAS RESILIENCY.

AND AND YOU GOT IT RIGHT.

AND SO THAT WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT ALL THE BETTER TO HAVE IT ENSHRINED THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS A CORE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY CHARTER, AND IT WOULD SIGNAL THAT PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT IS A FUNDAMENTAL PRIORITY AND VALUE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

ALONG WITH THAT I DID SOME RESEARCH, AND NEW SMYRNA BEACH HAS INCLUDED ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IN THEIR CITY CHARTER, REQUIRING THE CITY TO ENSURE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENT OF ITS CITIZENS AND PRESERVE NATURAL RESOURCES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, GENERATIONS.

AND SO BY ACCEPTING THIS AMENDMENT, YOU ARE CODIFYING THE RESILIENCY THAT YOU CARE ABOUT. AND THE ACTIONS WE REALLY WILL NEED IN THE FUTURE.

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AND BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME, I'VE GONE TO A LOT OF COMMISSION MEETINGS.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH FIVE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE SOME THAT HAVEN'T DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, YOU'RE IN FOR, YOU KNOW, HOURS. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ADDING TWO MORE, HAVING SEVEN AND PLUS THE FACT RIGHT NOW ALL OF YOU REPRESENT US, YOU KNOW I CAN GO TO ANY ONE OF YOU.

IF IT WAS DILUTED TO JUST ONE DISTRICT THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP OR YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR LITTLE PRECINCT, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THAT HERE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT IN MY BACKYARD KIND OF THING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE DIVISIVE TO DO THAT, TO ADD TO THAT.

AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE HAD A POPULATION INCREASE.

IF IF WE DID ADD THE TWO COMMISSIONERS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE EACH COMMISSIONER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 2000 PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW HAVE THEM OVER, VISIT THEM IN THE PARK WITH JUST THAT SMALL OF A GROUP.

SO, ANYWAY, I HOPE YOU DO CONSIDER THAT AND NOT PASS THE NUMBER TWO AMENDMENT AND DO PASS NUMBER SIX.

AND OH, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WHICH THAT SHOWS RIGHT THERE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO ATLANTIC BEACH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

IT STARTED UNDER MITCH REEVES WHEN HE WAS MAYOR, HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS ABLE TO GET THAT GOING.

AND THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.

AND WE ALL REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I HOPE YOU DO SUPPORT NUMBER SIX.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BARKER.

GRETCHEN DEETERS MURRAY.

HI, I'M GRETCHEN DEETERS MURRAY, I'M AT 346 MAGNOLIA STREET.

I DON'T DO THIS VERY OFTEN, GET UP HERE AND SPEAK.

BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

THE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS MYSELF.

AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN SO ELOQUENT.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO THAT, OTHER THAN I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND THE THE CONCERN WAS THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS KIND OF VAGUE AND, AND YOU KNOW AND SO IT WAS REVISED.

THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN REVISED.

AND I JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO LET THE CITIZENS VOTE FOR THIS.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE PEOPLE IN ATLANTIC BEACH WOULDN'T WANT THIS AS A MAJOR AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR CHARTER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

AND SO LET'S LET'S SUPPORT THEM AND ALL THE EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND LET'S STAY IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW CLIMATE AND AND THE ENVIRONMENT ARE NOT GOING TO BE LESS IMPORTANT IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THE TWO AT LARGE.

CITY COMMISSIONERS OTHER THAN I'M.

I'M AGAINST THAT.

I DON'T SOMEBODY SAID IT BEFORE.

I THINK IT WAS MARK. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

AND YEAH.

AND THAT'S IT. THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, MISS MURRAY.

ELIZABETH ROZAS.

HI, ELIZABETH ROZAS.

I'M AT 395 POINSETTIA.

I'M SORRY, IS THAT ROSA? ROZAS? IT'S R-O-Z-A-S, THANK YOU.

YES. I HAVE TO SPELL IT OFTEN.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS, AND, MAYOR FORD, THANK YOU FOR BEING AT ALL OUR SCOUTING EVENTS.

YOUR PRESENCE IS REALLY APPRECIATED AT THAT.

SO I THINK THE IDEA THAT THE IMPACT OF WHAT HUMANS DO ON OUR PLANET AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING OUR ENVIRONMENT, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS PRETTY MUCH OVER.

THERE MAY BE PEOPLE IGNORE IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

AND I THINK PEOPLE DO IN LOTS OF SMALL WAYS, LOTS OF LARGE WAYS.

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I AM A LITERACY PROFESSOR, BUT ENVIRONMENT IS NOT MY EXPERTISE.

BUT I KNOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

I'M CURRENTLY WORKING ON FIELD TRIPS WITH THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING BECAUSE THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OF IT, BUT THEY HAVE A JEA HAS SPONSORED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS LAB WHERE THEY'RE COMING UP WITH INNOVATIVE WAYS TO WORK WITH SOLAR AND WIND POWER.

IT'S REALLY EXCITING.

HYDROGEN POWER AS WELL.

AND SO JUST LAST WEEK I'VE WORKED WITH THE STEM PROFESSORS TO DO SCIENCE AND LITERACY INTEGRATED FIELD TRIPS.

WE BROUGHT DUVAL KIDS TO SEE THE UNDER AND UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENEWABLE AND NONRENEWABLE ENERGIES.

I ALSO IN THINKING ABOUT JUST WHAT JACKSONVILLE IS DOING, I C G DOING THAT, I LOOKED UP AND I SAW THAT I WASN'T I'M NOT AS INVOLVED IN THE, THE GOVERNMENT AS AS I WANT TO BE.

I HAVE THREE SMALL KIDS AT HOME, BUT I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED RESILIENT JACKSONVILLE, WHICH YOU MAY BE AWARE OF, AND I WAS VERY HAPPY WHEN I READ THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IT'S THERE TO, QUOTE, PROTECT THE CITY FROM LONG TERM IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

IT'S BASICALLY A 300 PAGE DOCUMENT TO ADDRESS, QUOTE, ACUTE SHOCKS LIKE POWER OUTAGES AND EXTREME WEATHER AND CHRONIC STRESSORS LIKE SALTWATER INTRUSION AND COASTAL EROSION.

THESE CONCEPTS ARE NOT NEW TO ME.

BUT I ACTUALLY WASN'T PLANNING TO BE HERE.

I LITERALLY HAVE ABOUT I HAVE FIVE ARTICHOKES IN A POT.

I'VE GOT RISOTTO, HALF COOKED, THREE KIDS WATCHING TV.

MY HUSBAND IS WITH THEM, BUT MY FRIEND CALLED ME UP AND EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THERE WAS POSSIBILITY THAT LANGUAGE ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP MAY BE REMOVED, AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING TO ME.

I KNEW I HAD TO BE HERE.

WE ARE A LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM THE BEACH.

WE ARE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST GROUPS OF PEOPLE TO BE DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED BY THIS.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, I DON'T KNOW.

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE REASONS WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THIS, THERE'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESSES, DEVELOPERS, MONEY BEHIND IT.

I HOPE I LEARN WHY THAT WHY THIS IS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED.

AND I JUST WANT TO END BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE VERY NICE BEGINNING ABOUT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

I WAS ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE THERE.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS ON THIS BEAUTIFUL BEACH.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE IN 20 YEARS? WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE IN 50 YEARS? THESE ARE YOUR KIDS.

THESE ARE YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.

THIS IS REAL AND LANGUAGE MATTERS.

IT IS NOT SMALL.

IT IS BIG BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S THERE IS WHAT ACTIONS ARE BASED ON.

AND YOU CAN FALL BACK ON THAT LANGUAGE.

SO PLEASE KEEP IT, PLEASE KEEP THAT LANGUAGE IN, AT THE VERY LEAST, THIS SHOULD BE OPEN UP TO THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE INPUT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS ROZAS AND JOE VANNUCCI.

GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION, MAYOR, CITY STAFF, AND ALL OF THE FELLOW CITIZENS, AND CHIEF.

YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT I'M HERE TO PUT AN EMPHASIS ON.

SO I'LL JUST GET RIGHT TO THE POINT AND NOT BEAT ABOUT, AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO SO MANY OF US.

I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT MAYBE HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED THAT I'D LIKE TO NOTE IS THE ISSUE THAT THIS IS ALREADY BEING HANDLED IN OUR LEGISLATION AND REGULATORY PROCESS. I WOULD SUBMIT I DON'T THINK SO.

NOT ADEQUATELY, CERTAINLY.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE DON'T HAVE GUIDANCE.

SO IT'S, IF YOU WILL, THE EQUIVALENT OF THE US GOVERNMENT OPERATING CREATING LAWS WITHOUT A CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THEY MIGHT BE REALLY GOOD LAWS AND THEY MIGHT ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT.

BUT THERE'S A REASON THAT WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION.

I THINK MOST OF US HOPEFULLY BELIEVE IN IT.

THERE MAY BE AN ANARCHIST AMONG US, BUT GENERALLY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND SO LEAVING SOMETHING TO THE IMPLICIT POSSIBILITY.

IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGING, I THINK, A CHALLENGING ISSUE BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO EXPLICITLY STATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ENVIRONMENT NOT JUST FOR OUR WELL-BEING, BUT FOR OUR RESILIENCE AND FOR ALL THE MANY POINTS THAT WERE MADE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT TO THE REST OF US TO TO SEE IF INDEED THAT'S TRUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GIOVANNUCCI. NANCY STOTTS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A SMALL GROUP.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, GREETINGS.

MY NAME IS NANCY STOTTS.

MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD, SO.

[00:30:02]

SO I THINK THIS DOES APPEAR TO HAVE TOUCHED A NERVE.

AND WITHOUT REITERATING WHAT EVERYONE SAID, I LOVE MRS. ROZAS'S COMMENTS.

WE HAD UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT REALLY, WITH THIS COMMISSION, WITH THE CRC AND WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERY CITIZEN THAT AND OUR OUTGOING CITY MANAGER, OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER THAT RESILIENCY SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN AND OUR NUMBER ONE JOB.

REALLY? IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE TREE CANOPY AND OUR LACK OF OVERDEVELOPMENT IS WHAT SETS US APART FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO THIS IS AN EFFORT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

I THINK IT WILL DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS WOULD WANT TO VOTE ON.

AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, JUST TO PUT LANGUAGE THAT IS ALREADY IN OUR MISSION, INTO OUR CHARTER? SOMEONE MAYBE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS.

AND IN TERMS OF CRC, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY HATS OFF, THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB, MET OVER MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS.

IT'S A BIG GROUP TO GET TOGETHER.

THEY HAD A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THEY REALLY OTHER THAN A FEW SORT OF VERY SIMPLISTIC THINGS LIKE THE PRIMARY ELECTION, THAT JUST GETS US IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

NUMBER ONE, THAT SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER.

THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE REALLY OF ANY INTEREST IS NUMBER SIX, WHICH WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THE ESC AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL CITY COMMISSIONERS, WHICH I HOPE THERE IS JUST NO, NO NEED FOR THIS.

I AM NOT CONVINCED OF ANY ARGUMENT AS TO WHY WE NEED MORE.

THE DOWNSIDES ARE MANY.

IT INCREASES OUR COSTS.

IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR SALARY AND RAISE TWO MORE, ASK FOR TWO MORE CITY COMMISSIONERS, WHERE IS THE NEED? IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR STAFF WORKLOAD.

WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY HAD AN ABUNDANCE OF CANDIDATES.

THAT'S TRUE, AND WE WILL HAVE AS CITIZENS FEWER CHOICES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I GET TO VOTE FOR EACH CITY COMMISSIONER AND THE MAYOR.

IF THIS GOES INTO PLACE AS WRITTEN, I CAN ONLY VOTE FOR MY CITY COMMISSIONER, THE TWO AT LARGE AND THE MAYOR.

SO I GO FROM HAVING AN INPUT ON 5 TO 4, BUT IT'S ALSO ONLY RELATIVELY HALF OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE VERY UNPOPULAR WITH VOTERS, AND SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER REALLY SQUELCHING THAT.

I SEE IT'S DOWN TO LIKE TWO OR 3 OR 4 ISSUES WITH SOME MINOR TWEAKS, AND WE SHOULD HAVE EACH OF THESE.

WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT OURSELVES TO JUST FIVE OR JUST FOUR.

WE'RE SMART FOLKS HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

JAX BEACH HAD 17 AMENDMENTS, AND THEY THEY DIDN'T MELT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE BRAINS BLOWING UP, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT LEAST AS SMART AS THEY ARE, I WOULD SAY.

BUT I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO PLEASE LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE ON ALL THESE THINGS.

THE CRC DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING FORTH THESE AND UNLESS THERE IS TRUE HARM, LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DOCTOR STOTTS.

MAYOR FORD, THE REMAINING THREE DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT THEY WANT TO GO ON RECORD.

OKAY. I HAVE NATHAN PATRICK HALE.

IF THAT'S A SENIOR, JUNIOR.

HAD A 50/50 ON THAT, TOO.

YEAH. AMY PALMER AND MELISSA MELBA, THEY ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B, WHICH IS RESOLUTION 24-28 TO INCLUDE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT SIX. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, FOLKS, FOR YOUR INPUT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY SPOKEN THAT SIGNED IN, BUT IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT SIGNED IN? YES. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, MAYOR, ATTORNEYS, CITY MANAGER.

JACKIE BECKENBACH, 2210 OCEAN WALK DRIVE WEST.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK FAVORABLY THAT I FEEL LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP PIECE SHOULD BE PART OF THE COMMISSION AND OR PART OF THE CHARTER, AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO VOTE ON THAT.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE OUR MISSION AND VISION AROUND THAT ACTUALLY BE ALONG THE BORDER HERE, SO THAT EVERY DECISION THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES, THAT WILL BE EVER PRESENT, AND THAT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO REFLECT ON WHERE

[00:35:06]

AND I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THIS EVENING AROUND THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, I AGREE THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN AN EASY, SIMPLISTIC, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE WAY.

KIND OF LIKE MEDICAL LITERATURE THAT'S DONE AT A THIRD TO FIFTH GRADE LEVEL SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THEY'RE VOTING ON.

AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH ON THE BALLOT SHOULD BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT AS ONE COLLECTIVE YAY OR NAY.

THERE'S ANY LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP IN THE CHARTER THAT CAN BE DONE AS A, AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP.

BUT I THINK ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL IDEAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR EITHER ADDITIONS TO THE CHARTER OR REINFORCING THE CHARTER, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THAT AS A, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND VOTE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH ALL OF YOU.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO, AND CERTAINLY THE WORK THAT THE CRC DID.

I KNOW I ATTENDED A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS AND THAT WAS A LOT OF TIME, THOUGHT AND EFFORT PUT IN BY THAT GROUP.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THAT SELECTION PROCESS NEXT GO AROUND, BE A LITTLE CLEANER THAN IT WAS THIS TIME, WITH PERHAPS EACH COMMISSIONER HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST BRING 2 OR 3 PEOPLE FROM THEIR PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHY SO THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THINGS GO.

THANK YOU, MISS BECKENBACH.

AND THAT'S IT, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS, WE WILL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

BEFORE YOU HAVE ITEM 8A, WHICH IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR IS WHAT'S NOT ON IT, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO TENTATIVELY, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUNE 17TH FOR THE COMBINED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

WE HAVE OUR STORM WATER CONSULTANT WHO'S ENGAGED.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DATE WAS AGREEABLE TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE.

THAT DATE DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.

THAT DATE DOES NOT WORK.

AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE HERE FOR THAT MEETING.

THEN ARE THERE, LET'S SEE.

IS IT SHORT, CAN WE GO AT 5:00? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE 5 O'CLOCK.

I CAN MAKE 5:00 ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, I JUST GOT TO CANCEL A COUPLE PATIENTS AND I'LL BE HERE.

SO YOU MEAN 5:00 BEFORE? BEFORE A COMMISSION MEETING? I THINK I WOULD RATHER NOT BUMP UP AGAINST A COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS AND IN PARTICULAR THE CDB WANTS TO HAVE THIS WORKSHOP, SO WE NEED TO ALLOW TIME.

WELL, SO THAT BUMPS ME INTO THE OTHER CHALLENGE.

SO RESOLUTION.

LET ME PULL IT UP BECAUSE I, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CAN'T SEEM TO REMEMBER IT.

1308, WHICH IS WHAT GUIDES THE CITY COMMISSION AND HOLDING QUARTERLY TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY HAS THE MONTHS JANUARY, APRIL AND JULY AND OCTOBER.

I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE SUGGEST THAT JULY IS A BAD MONTH, THAT COMMISSIONERS THAT MAY BE A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE A CHALLENGE MEETING IN JULY AND OUR CITIZEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MONTH BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS UP AGAIN.

AND SO A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS SO I'M CURIOUS IF THERE WOULD BE A WILLINGNESS TO BUMP THAT MAYBE TO THE LATTER PART OF AUGUST.

THAT MAY REQUIRE A RULING ON JASON AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT REQUIRES A RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION, OR IF THE RESOLUTION IS REALLY JUST GUIDANCE IN THIS COMMISSION CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.

SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S WRITTEN.

SO. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD MAYOR.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.

[00:40:01]

IT MAKES SENSE, BUT RIGHT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I'VE ONLY HAD IT SUGGESTED TO ME THAT JULY IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITIZENS AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

BUT IF WE WANT TO HOLD IT IN JULY, IF THE CONSENSUS IS TO HOLD IT IN JULY, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS JULY YOUR FIRST WINDOW? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AFTER? NO. THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY STATES THE MONTHS IN WHICH WE HOLD THE TOWN HALLS, AND JULY IS ONE OF THOSE.

SO AFTER WE HAD ON THE EIGHTH.

SO WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? AFTER JULY.

THE NEXT ONE AFTER JULY WOULD BE OCTOBER.

OKAY. JULY IS FINE WITH ME.

WELL, OKAY, YOU'RE FINE, BUT SOMEBODY HAS INDICATED IT'S NOT OKAY.

I'M GOING THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY.

I'M GONE THE SECOND.

THIRD. FOURTH.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE ONE THROUGH FOUR ALL TAKEN HERE? IT SEEMS THAT WAY.

NO, I'M SORRY.

ACTUALLY, I AM GONE.

THE THIRD TO THE FOURTH IS FINE.

THE FOURTH WEEK OF JULY COULD BE, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN RIGHT AROUND AND HAVE ANOTHER TOWN HALL LESS THAN THREE MONTHS LATER, WE'RE KIND OF OVERLOADED ON ON TOWN HALL.

SO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE WHAT IS THAT? 27TH, OF JULY.

DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT. NOPE, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

I'M JUST TEASING.

OKAY. JUST TEASING. AND THIS IS WITH ONLY FIVE OF US.

IMAGINE THERE'S SEVEN OF US I KNOW.

OKAY? ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I DON'T WANT.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR DATES YET, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT A BUDGET SEASON IS STARTING TO COME UP, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HOLD AT LEAST A COUPLE WORKSHOPS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION MEETING.

SO IF YOU KNOW, DATES AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE DATES IN JULY THAT DON'T WORK IN AUGUST, JUNE, SOMETIMES IF YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TRY TO SCHEDULE THE WORKSHOPS AROUND THOSE.

OKAY. THE DATES AREN'T SET.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TENTATIVE ONES YET, BUT I DO WANT YOU THINKING ABOUT IT.

I THINK WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, IF WE COULD GET AN ACCEPTANCE OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

ALL RIGHT. AND I WILL AMEND IT SO THAT IT'S JULY 27TH FOR THE TOWN HALL MEETING.

OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? YES. THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE THAT CONSENSUS.

SO. ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR REPORTING? THAT'S ALL. OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM FOUR, REPORTS FROM AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

IT HITS PRETTY PERSONALLY WITH ME BECAUSE I, THEY ARE GOING THROUGH MY HEAD.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS A THAT WAS AN EMOTIONAL DAY FOR ME.

ONE THING THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT, I THINK ENOUGH IS THAT IN FOUR DAYS, HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS.

THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT IS I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER HURRICANE THAT WAS NON-EXISTENT IN NEW ORLEANS.

IN OTHER WORDS, I REPRESENTED THE NAVY DOWN THERE AND THE PARISH, THE CITY NOT HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY.

SO I KNOW WE TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT, BUT HURRICANE SEASON WAS THIS WEEK.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF GET LULLED INTO A SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO US.

WELL, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN, AND IT'S NOT PRETTY.

SO I KNOW YOU GUYS TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT.

BILL. I KNOW, I KNOW, KEVIN'S BRIEFED THIS BEFORE, BUT I GET A WARM AND FUZZY WHEN I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED ON THIS.

THE THE OTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT AND I COULDN'T ANSWER IT.

MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME. WHEN IS THE WORK ACTUALLY STARTING ON THE LIFEGUARD STAND? I KNOW WE'RE ON NUMBER THREE.

I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.

THROUGH THE MAYOR TO COMMISSIONER BULLOCK TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THE.

I KNOW THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN SIGNED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF.

CHIEF VIC, IF YOU HAVE A START DATE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. SO OUR TENTATIVE START DATE IS AFTER MEMORIAL, LABOR DAY, WHEN THE BEACH SEASON ENDS FOR THE LIFEGUARDS.

WE'LL PULL ALL OF THEIR GEAR OUT OF THE STATION.

THE CONTRACTOR HAS COMMITTED NOT IN WRITING, BUT IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM, THAT HE CAN START ON THAT DATE.

AND THAT WILL BE ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT BY THE NEXT YEAR.

WE THOUGHT WE'D WANT TO GET THROUGH HURRICANE SEASON WITHOUT AN OPEN BUILDING.

RIGHT. RAINING INTO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

[00:45:03]

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR RIGHT.

YEP. YEAH. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE OUT.

LITTLE DARLINGS WILL BE OUT ON THE ROAD AND THEIR SCOOTERS AND ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND YEAH, SO TRY NOT TO HIT ANY OF THEM.

ALSO, REGARDING START DATES.

SO HOW'S THE REPLENISHMENT DOING? DID IT PAUSE THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT? YES, YES.

IT PAUSED, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS CRANKED BACK UP.

WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL TODAY IS IT'S ACTUALLY MOVING SOUTH, NOT NORTH.

I THOUGHT IT WAS STARTING WHERE SHE STARTS IT.

RIGHT. WELL, IT'S MOVING SOUTH AND THEN IT'LL.

AS SOON AS THEY GET TO, I GUESS, 36TH AVENUE SOUTH, THEY'LL JUMP ALL THE WAY BACK TO 12TH AVENUE NORTH, I THINK.

BUT I WAS TOLD BY OUR FRIEND COACH BROWN TODAY THAT HE BELIEVES WILL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO ON TARGET GETTING UP HERE TO ATLANTIC BEACH FROM WHATEVER DATES WERE PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED.

SO NOT TOO BAD IF THAT HAPPENS, BUT.

DO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR EXTRA SEA OATS? THAT I DON'T KNOW? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY ASK.

I THINK A, THE ARMY CORPS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THAT.

WELL, I KNOW, BUT I'M LIKE EXTRA BECAUSE WE'RE FOND OF OUR DUNES.

I DON'T KNOW EITHER.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS AS SOON AS WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING WE DO OUT OF THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

MR. BROWN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED GOING TO CERTAIN VERY PROMINENT OCEANFRONT PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEEING IF THEY WOULD FUND THE SEA OATS AND KEVIN BROWN WOULD FUND OR PROVIDE THE THE LABOR, WHICH WOULD BE FLETCHER STUDENTS AND LABOR.

YEP. YEAH. SO OKAY.

GOOD QUESTIONS. ARE YOU SET? COMMISSIONER RING. YES.

THANK YOU. WHERE ARE WE? ON THE SPLASH PAD AS AS THE SUMMER IS IS SEASON IS STARTING.

SO WE HAVE IT IS.

THEY'RE PLAYING WITH IT RIGHT NOW, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO WE HAVE DOH, AS WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS WE NEED TO CLEAR WITH THEM.

THEY'RE MOSTLY TECHNICAL.

SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION TO GO FORWARD.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS HAVING THE STAFF WHO ARE CERTIFIED ACTUALLY RUNNING IT EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESSES ARE COMPLETE AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEM.

BUT I EXPECT WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OR SECOND WEEK OF JUNE THAT WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP.

BUT I'LL GET OUT OF DATE, OKAY.

AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN WHO'S INTERESTED CAN BE THERE FOR THE GRAND OPENING.

OH, SO THERE WILL BE A RIBBON CUTTING.

THAT'S THE PLAN. OKAY, WONDERFUL.

JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

WHERE ARE WE ON ALMOST HOME PROPERTY.

SO THIS WEEK WE HAVE THE FINAL WALKTHROUGH, AND I GOT THE PAPERWORK TO SIGN FOR THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT.

NOT PURCHASE AGREEMENT, BUT THE FINAL PAPERWORK TODAY FROM OUR ATTORNEY.

YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO CLOSE ON THURSDAY.

WONDERFUL. THANKS.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER WATERS.

YOU GO LAST, YOU GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

SO WHAT I HAVE LEFT.

YESTERDAY I TALKED TO RORY AFTER THAT SPEECH HE GAVE, VERY DOMINANT.

ONE OF THE MOST POIGNANT, MOVING SPEECHES AND INCLUSIVE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD.

AND I THOUGHT THE WHOLE CEREMONY WAS THE BEST I'VE SEEN.

I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE MONUMENT.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT IT WAS JUST A PHENOMENAL.

HOPEFULLY EVERY YEAR IT'S GOING TO GROW.

I JUST HAD ONE BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT HIS MAYOR GLASSER STILL HERE.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN SHE SAID THAT WERE BEING POLITE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S BEING POLITE ABOUT AB ELEMENTARY.

IF SHE WENT TO THE FLETCHER MIDDLE, IF SHE HERE.

I MEAN, IT STARTED OFF EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OR EMOTIONAL, BUT NOW IT'S VERY POIGNANT AND TARGETED AND IT'S GETTING VERY LEGALISTIC.

AND HONESTLY, I, I DO HAVE THIS FEELING THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS DRIVING ALL OF US, BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY IS STILL THERE, DESPITE ALL OF OUR LOVE.

AND ALL THE HAVOC THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BRING US.

I STILL JUST I DON'T KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS TAKING THIS FOR GRANTED, ESPECIALLY NOT ME.

SO THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO I, I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER RING FOR A JUST FABULOUSLY DELIVERED SPEECH IN THREE MINUTES.

WAS THAT A THREE MINUTE SPEECH? AT FLETCHER TALKING ABOUT WHY, WHAT WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE ISSUE, WHAT'S WRONG AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IS NOT CLOSING ATLANTIC

[00:50:09]

WHAT ELSE? I THINK I'LL COME BACK TO ONE OTHER THING LATER.

SO IF THAT'S IT, WE'LL CLOSE THAT SEGMENT AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 8A,

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-24 (Part 1 of 2)]

BUT THE RESOLUTION ITEM EIGHT A IS NUMBER 2424.

IT'S A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF A $200,000 US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF SAFETY FOR A SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL GRANT AND ROADS FOR ALL GRANT.

AND 50,000 CITY FUNDS TO KIMLEY-HORN TO CREATE A VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE THAT IF THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT AT THIS POINT, WE STILL NEED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-24-173, WHICH IS FARTHER BACK IN THE AGENDA.

SO AFTER WE ADDRESS THAT ORDINANCE WE CAN BRING THIS BACK TO THE FLOOR.

OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT B, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-28.

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-28]

SO IF I CAN SET THE STAGE ON THIS AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND WE'LL DO THAT WITHOUT AN ACTUAL MOTION TO START THAT.

BUT I THINK WE, WE KNOW AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO DIRECT CITY STAFF, CITY MANAGER, AND OUR ATTORNEY TO PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE TO EFFECT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IN THE FORM OF A REFERENDUM ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

SO TODAY, WHAT I'M HOPING WE CAN DO IS HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION AND JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH THIS AND DECIDE IF WE CAN, IN FACT, CONSOLIDATE A COUPLE OF THESE CHANGES INTO ONE VOTE FOR 2 OR 3.

AND, AND WE ALL HEARD WHAT WAS STATED BY CITIZENS.

I CERTAINLY GET IT THAT SOME OF THESE ARE CLERICAL AND CLEAN UP, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHERE YOU WOULD BATCH THEM AND OTHERS ARE NOT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO PUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE INTO THE ORDINANCE NOW.

THE RULES ARE THIS UNTIL YOU VOTE AND APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, YOU CAN CHANGE THINGS.

SO TODAY WE ARE NOT FINALIZE ANYTHING.

WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS DIRECTING VIA RESOLUTION CITY STAFF TO THEN CREATE AN ORDINANCE WHICH WE CAN APPROVE, MODIFY AND APPROVE OR OR DECLINE.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP IF ANYBODY WANTS TO START AND IF NOT, I'LL COME BACK TO MY SUGGESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH. SO BASICALLY THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE TOOL.

AND I TALKED TO BILL ABOUT THIS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK AND WE CARVE.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO SAY WAS THE REASON THE CHARTER IS NOW THE WAY IT IS, IT GIVES THE POWER OR IT GIVES RESPONSIBILITY TO US AS A COMMISSION TO PUT THE RIGHT THINGS ON THE BALLOT.

RIGHT. SO I DON'T WANT TO LESSEN THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

SO I WOULD VOTE YES TO ADMINISTRATIVELY GO THROUGH IT.

I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE.

CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER.

THERE'S SOME I'M FOR AND THERE'S SOME I'M NOT FOR.

BUT I'LL SAVE THAT FOR WHEN WE ACTUALLY LAY THEM OUT HERE AND GO THROUGH I, YOU KNOW, I COULD TELL I SAID MY PIECE AT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER ISSUE, WHICH SHOWS UP.

SO IF I'M HEARING YOU, YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO ORDINANCE.

OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEN WE CAN CUT CERTAIN THINGS OUT NOW.

WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION. CAN WE BE MORE EFFICIENT BY KNOCKING OUT 1 OR 2 THINGS THAT WE ALL AGREE ON? THE ONES THAT ARE LEFT? YEAH.

OKAY. I GET YOU NOW.

YEAH I THOUGHT THAT'S FINE.

WELL, IF I MAY, CAN WE START? I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE START WITH THREE THAT I THINK ARE CLEARLY ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUST KNOCK THEM OUT, IF YOU AGREE.

MAY I READ THOSE? SURE. OKAY. SO ITEM FOUR ON YOUR LIST IS COMMENCEMENT OF COMMISSION TERM FOLLOWING CERTIFICATION OF ELECTION RESULTS, NEWLY ELECTED COMMISSION MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, SHALL BEGIN THEIR TERMS AT THE CITY'S FIRST REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THEREAFTER.

CITY ATTORNEY, CORRECT ME THAT CURRENTLY WE'RE SET UP, IT IS, WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S CURRENT.

[00:55:04]

BUT IT SAYS I THINK IT'S THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

BUT THE ACTUALITY IS THAT BY THE TIME THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS ACTUALLY CERTIFIES AFTER THE TYPICAL BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER ELECTION, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT UNTIL THE LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, IF NOT THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER, WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE TO TAKE.

SO ALL THAT REALLY IS, IS NOT I MEAN, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WITH THE ELECTIONS.

YEAH. SO FOR ME IT'S IT'S CLEAN UP.

BUT LET ME READ TWO MORE.

ITEM SEVEN, CITY CLERK FILING OFFICER FOR CITY ELECTIONS, THE CITY CLERK SHALL SERVE AS THE FILING OFFICER FOR CITY ELECTIONS.

THE DUVAL COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SHALL SERVE AS SUPERVISOR OF CITY ELECTIONS.

THERE SEEM TO BE A LACK OF CLARITY THERE.

CLEARLY, IN MY MIND, THE CITY CLERK IS THE FILING OFFICER AND NOT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SO STATED.

SO I THINK IT'S A CLEAN UP, BUT.

AND THAT'S MORE NOMENCLATURE AS WELL.

IT'S SHE'S NOT THE ACTUAL SUPERVISOR.

SHE WAS WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE ON THE OFF YEARS.

BUT NOW THAT WE MOVED IT TO THE ON YEARS, SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH WORK.

OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS THERE.

AND THEN FINALLY EIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT, THE SCRIVENER'S CHANGE MAJORITY VOTE.

THREE CHANGES FROM NOT LESS THAN THREE TO A MAJORITY VOTE.

VOTES REGARDING VOTES REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE CITY MANAGER, CITY CLERK, AND CITY MANAGER.

OKAY, AGAIN THAT MAY NEED CORRECTION.

I THINK THEY MEANT CITY ATTORNEY PROBABLY, I THINK CITY ATTORNEY.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR FESSING UP RAISING YOUR HAND.

YEAH. SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT WHAT'S WRITTEN CURRENTLY, BUT THAT'S, RIGHT NOW WE NEED A MAJORITY VOTE TO DO THAT.

SO THIS IS JUST IT IS A SCRIVENER'S CHANGE.

YEAH. AND I THINK ONCE AGAIN NOT THAT NOT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT MAJORITY IS THREE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WERE TO WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES AND SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.

BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO A SEVEN MEMBER DAIS, THEN MAJORITY WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN FOUR, NOT THREE.

YES. OKAY.

SO FOR ME THOSE ARE EASY TO LUMP TOGETHER.

BUT IF YOU GUYS AGREE, GREAT.

BUT DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADD ANOTHER ONE INTO THAT.

AND AGAIN THE ISSUE IS HOW MANY.

AND WE'VE HEARD IT FROM CITIZENS THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

I, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ON PARTICULAR CITIZENS.

BUT THE EXAMPLE OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH WITH 15 CHANGES AND THEY DID JUST FINE.

SO WE CAN DO THEM ALL SEPARATELY OR WE CAN LUMP SUM TOGETHER THESE.

I THINK.. THE QUESTION THEN, IF, IF WE DECIDE NOT TO PUT THE SEVEN COMMISSION MEMBERS ON THE CHARTER, WHY WOULD WE NEED SOMETHING THAT SAYS A MAJORITY, IT STILL WOULD REMAIN THREE.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF WE IF WE CUT THAT OUT, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE.

SO YOU SAT THROUGH THESE, WHAT'S THE VALUE OF HAVING THAT SCRIVENER'S CHANGE? IF NOT A CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT SIZE COMMISSION? YEAH, I THINK ONCE AGAIN, THAT AND CERTAINLY DONNA CAN CHIME IN HERE TOO, MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT IN PARTICULAR, WAS THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, MEMBERSHIP CHANGE TO SEVEN. THERE WERE JUST A LOT OF LITTLE PLACES IN THE CHARTER WHERE WE SAY THREE.

AND SO WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A CAT.

THERE'S A CATCH ALL THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THAT.

BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST LEAVE IT AT THREE.

IT'S YOUR CALL, MORE OF A POLICY.

I'M JUST SAYING IF MAYBE WE NEED TO KNOW THAT FIRST AND THEN LEAVE THAT ON THERE OR NOT.

YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE MOVE OFF OF FOUR, SEVEN AND EIGHT AND BEFORE WE RESOLVE THIS, WE COME BACK TO THAT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE DO ON ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. OKAY.

AND IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICK, I DON'T MEAN TO BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THIS, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A CATCH ALL.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR SCRIVENER'S CHANGE.

BUT THERE WILL BE ONE WHERE WE WANT TO CATCH ANY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO ONE ISSUE.

THERE MAY BE LITTLE IDIOSYNCRATIC PARTS OF THE CHARTER WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE.

I WOULD CALL THEM NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS BRINGING IT UP IS, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S A FINITE AMOUNT OF STAFF WORK WE HAVE.

YOU KNOW I WANT OUR STAFF ONCE WE WHITTLE THESE DOWN TO GO ALL IN.

YOU KNOW LANGUAGE WISE YOU KNOW YOU WOULDN'T THINK.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED.

SO I'M TRYING TO KIND OF REDUCE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLUTTER.

OKAY. YES.

ON NUMBER FOUR.

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WHAT WAS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTUALLY PROPOSED? WAS THAT IT BE THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER? 70. THEY BOUGHT US NOT.

THE FIRST REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THEREAFTER.

BUT IF WE'RE COUNTING CHAT OR SOMETHING, IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT ONE.

BUT THEY WON'T CERTIFY THE ELECTION, RIGHT? WHICH HAS HAPPENED. SO IF WE WAIT TILL THE ELECTIONS.

YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED.

OKAY. SO BUT TO THE POINT THAT'S BEING MADE HERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER UNLESS.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IN FACT, THE ELECTION RESULTS WERE NOT CERTIFIED BY THEN? YEAH, THE REASON WHY AND MAYBE WE STILL KEEP THAT CLAUSE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, CERTIFICATION HASN'T BEGUN OR WHATEVER THAT THAT WORDING IS.

BUT THEY WANTED THE DECEMBER DATE TO BE THE THE CRC.

WEARING IN. SORRY I THINK.

YEAH. THIS IS A SAMPLE AGAIN.

WELL, LET ME JUST READ THIS.

THIS WAS THE PROPOSAL FROM DIRECTLY FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

REMOVED THE SECOND MONDAY IN NOVEMBER AS THE DATE NEWLY ELECTED COMMISSIONER ASSUMES OFFICE.

AND ADD THAT THE NEWLY ELECTED CITY COMMISSIONERS ASSUME THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION FOLLOWING RECEIPT OF CERTIFIED ELECTION RESULTS.

I GUESS FROM THAT WE TAKE IT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.

HOPEFULLY, RIGHT? YEAH, HOPEFULLY.

BUT IT MAY NOT BE FINISHED. EXACTLY.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I MAY THROUGH THE MAYOR.

I'M LOOKING AT THEIR PROPOSAL THEY SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION.

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

IT DOES STATE, THOUGH, IN THAT FINAL AGENDA AFTER THE PROPOSAL IN BOLD.

IT STATES THIS ALLOWS THE SWEARING IN TO BE IMMEDIATE AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER CERTIFICATION, WHICH CAN BE IN DECEMBER.

IT'S ALL THE AMEND THE ADDENDUM TO THE PROPOSAL.

THANKS TO THE WORD NOVEMBER TO DECEMBER IN SECTION 13.

AND SECTION 40.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SPECIFY.

IS IT SUFFICIENT? WITHOUT SPECIFYING COUNCIL, I THINK IT CONVOLUTES IT TO BE THAT SPECIFIC.

YEAH. YEAH.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS JUST AFTER RECEIPT OF THE ELECTION RESULTS, WHENEVER THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE IN THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S RIGHT. I AGREE.

SO THEN IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE OFF THAT ONE AND LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND MOVE FORWARD.

LET'S SEE WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO NEXT? WE HAVE CERTAIN CITIZENS THAT SPOKE ABOUT A COUPLE OF THESE.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND NOT GO THERE YET? LET'S GO TO PARKLAND NUMBER THREE.

WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FIRST IF IF AT ALL? I MEAN, IT'S NO BRAINER IN MY OPINION.

WE'RE BUYING MORE PARKLAND, NOT SELLING IT.

SO I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.

I MEAN, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT I MEAN, THIS SAYS NEEDS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BY THE, WAIT A SECOND.

ANY, LET ME JUST READ IT.

PARKLAND, ANY SALE OR CHANGE IN USE OF THE CITY? PARKLAND NEEDS BOTH UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND A MAJORITY VOTE OF RESIDENTS IN A PUBLIC REFERENDUM.

SO, OBVIOUSLY, THE CONCERN THERE WOULD BE THAT A RENEGADE COMMISSION COULD SELL OUR PARKLAND.

YEAH, RIGHT.

BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT MAYBE AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW.

SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BY THIS FOR GOOD OR BAD.

YOU'RE RESTRICTING THE COMMISSION BY THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? NO BY THIS, BUT YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THE COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. OKAY.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, 3 OR 4 VOTES TO SELL.

I TRIED TO THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE WE WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

I COULDN'T COME UP WITH ONE. I COULDN'T EITHER.

YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING MAJOR CATASTROPHE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF LAND FOR WHATEVER REASON.

BUT I. YOU KNOW WHAT IN THAT CASE, THAT'S SO EXTRAORDINARY THAT I, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THROW IT OUT THERE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TAKING POWER AWAY, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT SOME OF THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT ARE.

SO I'M GOOD WITH IT.

I JUST THOUGHT I COULDN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD TO SELL.

AND SO I CAN'T COME UP WITH IT EITHER.

COMMISSIONER BOLE.

BUT WHAT DOES OCCUR TO ME IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS FOR VALID REASONS, THIS COMMISSION DECIDES WE NEED TO AND WE HAVE TO GET IT ON THE NEXT BALLOT, WHICH IS TWO YEARS OR, YOU KNOW, AT MOST.

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SO I I'M NOT GOING TO DEBATE IT.

IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT, WE'LL LET THAT GO AS IT IS AND LET CITIZENS VOTE ON THAT.

SO THAT KNOCKS OUT NUMBER THREE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PRIMARY ELECTION, ONE I THOUGHT WAS WELL, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU. I THINK IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

AND I SAID IT AT THE WORKSHOP I UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS ELECTED THROUGH A PLURALITY AND NOT A MAJORITY, AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.

I WOULD RATHER BE ELECTED WITH A MAJORITY.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO GO THROUGH A RUNOFF, BUT CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A PRIMARY.

SO IF WE HAVE DEBATE ON THIS WE CAN HAVE THAT, OR WE CAN JUST PUT THAT ONE ON THE BALLOT AND LET THAT ONE GO.

I WANT TO I WANT TO DEBATE IT, BUT WE CAN WAIT ON THAT.

WELL, NO, I FEEL DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY. PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THE, I MEAN, THE, THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION, YOU KNOW, HAS ALWAYS BEEN POLITICAL.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HOW OUR NATIONAL ELECTIONS ARE RUN.

AND I JUST THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IT'S GOING TO RUN A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

I THINK THAT SOME CANDIDATES DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO LAST THAT LONG.

IF YOU DO THE PRIMARY IN THE GENERAL, OUR COUNTRY DOES 11 WEEKS APART.

AND I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST A CITY TO DO THIS.

THE DIFFERENCE IN WITH THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION.

I KNOW THAT HERE.

WHAT ELSE? I THINK I JUST I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ARE GOING TO VOTE IN THAT PRIMARY ELECTION EITHER HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

I KNOW JOHN STINSON STOPPED IT A WHILE BACK.

I'M NOT SURE WHY HE DID IT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IT'S.

FOR ME. IT'S IT'S JUST LONG.

I THINK IT'S EXPENSIVE.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG TURNOUT.

I ONLY WANTED, LIKE, 130 VOTES.

JUST TWO OF US. IT WAS. I MEAN, THIS TOWN IS CLOSE, IT SEEMS LIKE, WITH EVERYTHING.

AND SO I KNOW YOU WERE, LIKE, NINE VOTES, BUT I'M FOR JUST KEEPING IT THE SAME WAY.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER BOLE YOU WERE ABOUT.

YEAH, I MAYBE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME.

I AGREE WITH A LOT OF POINTS THAT DOCTOR WATERS MADE, BUT DOES IT REALLY COST THE CITY ANY MORE MONEY TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT? WASN'T THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THE CHARTER COMMITTEE BROUGHT FORWARD WAS THAT THERE WAS NO NET COST TO THAT, AM I WRONG? MY RECOLLECTION THROUGH THE THROUGH THE MAYOR, IS THAT THERE WASN'T MR. JERRY HOLLAND WAS A SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WHO ACTUALLY CAME TO ONE OF THE MEETINGS.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH THEM.

YEAH, HE WOULD HAVE TO. THERE'S GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, AN ELECTION IN AUGUST, IN NOVEMBER REGARDLESS.

SO THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION.

BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CONFIRM THAT WITH THE SUPERVISOR.

YEAH, THROUGH THE MAYOR TO THE COMMISSIONER BOLES.

I THINK IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COST, IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY MINIMAL.

YEAH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT HE SOLD IT, RIGHT? THEY TOLD US. SO I WAS ELECTED IN AUGUST, AND I HAD ENOUGH OF A MAJORITY THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO RUN AGAIN.

SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO KEEP RUNNING WOULD BE PEOPLE IN A, YOU KNOW, A RUNOFF SITUATION.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THOSE THAT OFTEN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

BUT YES.

SO THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THE NEXT ELECTION, OBVIOUSLY, THIS ELECTION THREE YEARS FROM NOW, BASICALLY TWO AND A HALF.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IS IT HAS TO BE HAVE TO CHANGE THE FORMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW.

WELL, IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON.

STILL THE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A SAY ON IT TOO.

YEAH, I AGREE, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S WE'RE REALLY TALKING THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THIS.

AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WATERS, FOR BRINGING UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS FOR ME WAS A NO BRAINER.

BUT IT WOULD.

THEY RUN IN NOVEMBER AND THEN 11 WEEKS OUT FROM THERE THEY WOULD RUN AGAIN.

IT WOULD BE AUGUST IN NOVEMBER.

SO. OKAY. AND ONLY IF THERE'S MORE THAN TWO.

OKAY. SO WOULD WE ALL RUN IN AUGUST? WOULD EVERYONE EVEN KNOW? YES. YEAH.

WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS THREE RACES, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO COMMISSIONER SEATS AND ONE MAYOR'S SEAT UP.

SO YOU COULD HAVE EVERYBODY DECIDED IN THE PRIMARY.

THAT'S POSSIBLE. MAJORITY VOTE WOULD RULE.

OKAY. I HEAR DOCTOR WATERS, COMMISSIONER WATERS.

WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT IN.

WE CAN CONTINUE THE DEBATE IN THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT FOR NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE MAY BE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION.

GOING TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS.

THE CITY COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP SHALL EXPAND FROM 5 TO 7, WITH TWO AT LARGE SEATS ELECTED CITYWIDE, AND EACH DISTRICT OR PRECINCT SEAT ELECTED ONLY

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ELECTED CITYWIDE.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT IS REFERRING TO THE AT LARGE.

SO I'LL OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER. THIS IS THE ONE I FEEL MOST STRONGLY ABOUT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

I THINK I SPOKE AT THE, THE CHARTER AND I ACTUALLY AGREED WITH COMMISSIONER RING.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TWO DISTRICTS, MINE AND HERS, THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAYPORT, RIGHT, YOU ACTUALLY DILUTE THAT POWER.

YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THE WITH MAYOR GLASSER WHERE THE CANDIDATES GOING TO COME FROM.

THEY'RE COMING FROM OVER HERE TRADITIONALLY.

SO I WOULD NOT YOU KNOW, I FEEL STRONGLY I WOULD NOT DILUTE THE REPRESENTATION.

BUT WHAT MAKES US DEMOCRATIC, I THINK NUMBER TWO WE DON'T NEED TO PAY THEM.

WE DON'T STAFF WORK FOR THEM.

THE THINGS THEY BROUGHT UP AT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ABOUT US BEING COLLEGIATE AND US MAYBE NOT VOTING FOR THE OTHER DISTRICT MAN.

AND A THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

AND EVEN THE TIME BEFORE THAT, I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AND THE PEOPLE BEFORE US AND PROBABLY THE PEOPLE THAT WILL COME AFTER US, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A BIG YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO ACROSS PLAZA, I DON'T THINK, OH, I'M IN COMMISSIONER KELLY.

SO THAT SCARES ME.

RIGHT BACK ON YOUR SIDE.

YOU KNOW, I START THINKING THERE, BUT BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC WAY IS THE WAY WE HAVE IT SET UP AND IT'S NOT BROKEN.

AND I JUST FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT ONE, THAT PART OF OUR JOB, LIKE I SAID, WAS WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, HAVING WATCHED IT, WHO ARE HERE EVERY DAY.

SO I'VE SAID MY PIECE.

OKAY. YEAH.

MAYOR, IF I MAY I DID CALL THE SUPERVISOR OR EMAIL THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TO RECEIVE THE MOST RECENT VOTING TURNOUT FOR THE 2022 ELECTION THAT HAPPENED.

I DID BREAK IT DOWN INTO DISTRICTS.

THEY SEND YOU A LARGE ZIP FILE, AND YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT INTO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, BREAKING IT DOWN FROM EACH OF THE DISTRICTS.

THERE IS A DISPARITY IN ACTUAL VOTING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

BUT FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO CAME AND VOTED FOR THE GOVERNOR.

THEY VOTED FOR THE MAYOR, AND THEN THEY WALKED OUT AND LEFT.

THEY LEFT CANDACE, COMMISSIONER, KELLY AND I'S BALLOTS EMPTY.

AND THEN EVEN MORE SO BETWEEN CANDACE AND I, A FEW MORE HUNDRED WERE DIFFERENT FROM THERE, MEANING THAT THEY CAME IN AND THEY VOTED FOR ALL THOSE, AND THEY GOT TO MY MY PORTION OF THAT AND DIDN'T VOTE.

SO THERE IS A DISPARITY THERE FOR VOTER TURNOUT, BUYER TURNOUT OR BUY IN.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BUY IN.

I LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW.

I LIKE THAT I PERSONALLY, AS A VOTER, HAVE A SAY IN EVERY SEAT ON THIS COMMISSION.

I WANT EVERY VOTER, ALL OF MY CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE WE AREN'T I'M NOT JUST A REPRESENTATIVE FOR MY DISTRICT, BUT I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FOR EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN.

AND AS IS COMMISSIONER WATERS, COMMISSIONER, KELLY, COMMISSIONER BOLE AND MAYOR FORD, WE VOTE ON EVERY ORDINANCE, EVERY RESOLUTION THAT AFFECTS ALL OF US.

SO IT'S NOT BROKEN.

IT NEEDS TO STAY THE WAY IT IS.

I CAN'T EVEN SAY ANYMORE ABOUT HOW MUCH I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS.

OKAY? AND, MAYOR, YOU'RE AN AT LARGE COMMISSIONER.

REALLY? YES. RIGHT.

SO YOU ARE AT LARGE.

YEAH. THANKS.

YEAH. SO YEAH, I, I AGREE, I YOU KNOW, THIS TOWN ISN'T THAT BIG, AND I KNOW, I KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF I KNOW EVERYBODY IN MY DISTRICT. I DON'T THINK I DO.

I KNOW A LOT MORE PEOPLE FROM OTHER DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW.

SO, LOOK, THIS IS A TOWN, AND THAT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT EITHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ADD TO WHAT I JUST HEARD OTHER THAN TO SAY I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING.

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

WE WERE BROKEN SOMETIME IN THE PAST.

I THINK WE MADE GREAT STRIDES WHEN WE REALIGNED OUR ELECTION CYCLE TO STATE AND NATIONAL.

WE HAVE VERY GOOD TURNOUT, AND, YES, INDEED, WE HAVE LESS TURNOUT AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION IN 13, 12.

BUT IT'S GETTING BETTER AND BETTER, I THINK IF SOMEBODY FEELS DISENFRANCHISED, I WOULD SAY WORK ON GETTING YOUR VOTER TURNOUT UP.

BECAUSE WE, I THINK DIDN'T WE HAVE OVER 8000 VOTES CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION.

THAT'S TREMENDOUS WHEN WE HAVE A POPULATION OF 13,500 AND THE VOTER REGISTRATIONS ARE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN THIS CITY FOR VOTER REGISTRATION? THAT'D BE A DONNA QUESTION.

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SO WE'RE GETTING VOTER TURNOUT.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT GOING TO THE THE TWO ADDITIONAL..

TRUMP AND BIDEN ARE ON THERE. YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A TURNOUT.

MAYOR. I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION NOW.

WE HAVE 9331 REGISTERED VOTERS.

YEP. OUT OF THEM, 7041 VOTED IN THE 2022 ELECTION.

AND IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO, BUT I DID.

PROBABLY NOT. BUT THANK YOU, WE GET THE DRIFT.

OKAY, SO YES, MA'AM.

$0.02. SO IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, SO FAR, IT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS, WE KIND OF MADE IT A POLICY THAT WE WOULD.

APPROACH EQUITY AND PARITY BETWEEN EAST SIDE OR WEST SIDE.

AND WHEN WE DO THE WHEN WE DO THE ROADS WE CHECKED, WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE AMOUNT OF ROAD REPAYMENT ON BOTH SIDES.

AND WE SPENDING ABOUT THE SAME ON PARKS AND STUFF WHERE WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW SOME STUFF IS OLDER ON THE EAST SIDE AND HAS TO BE FIXED ANYWAY.

BUT IT HAS BEEN OUR POLICY AND MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT IT IN WRITING, BUT IT'S BEEN OUR POLICY TO BE EQUITABLE.

SO YEAH. OKAY.

THERE. SO I'M NOT HEARING A STRONG FIGHT TO KEEP THAT ONE IN THE LIST.

SET IT FREE.

OKAY, SO IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER TWO FROM THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY STAFF? I MOVE WE WE DON'T.

I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT.

YEP. SO WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

SO ITEM TWO.

NOW, BY THE WAY, LET ME RESTATE WHAT I ALREADY STATED.

IF SOMEBODY HAS A PASSION AND WANTS TO DEBATE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BRING IT BACK.

OKAY, WE'RE NOT DONE UNTIL WE VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY? OKAY.

LET'S MOVE TO OH.

THE MOST EXCITING ONE OF THE EVENING.

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

ANYBODY INTERESTED IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP? STEWARDSHIP. LET'S READ THAT ONE.

THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO EXERCISE AUTHORITY PERMITTED BY LAW FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF BEACHES, MARSHES, MARSHES, MARITIME TREE CANOPY AND PROPERTY THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

SO JUST A QUESTION.

THEN I'LL POINT TO CITY ATTORNEY.

WHAT WHAT MAKES DIFFERENCE NOW THAT WE OKAY.

SO THEORETICALLY THIS PASSES RIGHT.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT THAN RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN I YOU KNOW PERSONALLY OUR VISION OUR REST OF IT.

SO WHAT MAKES YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE HERE.

YEAH. I MEAN, THIS WAS DEBATED TO SOME DEGREE ON THAT VERY ISSUE IS WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PUTTING THAT WORD IN THERE.

AND THERE WAS DEBATE ON DO YOU PUT IT IN THE CHARTER? YOU COULD PUT IT IN.

SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I THINK I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD SYMBOLIC, BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

SOMETHING EMBLEMATIC IN OUR CHARTER THAT.

OH, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE, YOU KNOW, STEWARDS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT, THAT SORT OF THING.

I WOULD SUBMIT IT'S A PURE POLICY CALL, NOT A LEGAL ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADOPT IN OUR NOMENCLATURE AND, AND THE WAY THAT WE SORT OF CONDUCT OURSELVES, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE PLACE TO PUT IT.

OTHERS HAVE BROUGHT UP, AGAIN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE ZONING CODE OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF.

AND SOME HAVE EVEN BROUGHT UP THE VISIONING PLAN.

YOU COULD HAVE ALL YOU CAN HAVE IT IN ALL OF THOSE PLACES.

SO YEAH, I GUESS I GUESS WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS MAKING IT A PRIORITY, LETTING THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR LIST AT THE TOP OF THE IS, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S I THINK BY, BY EMPLOYING THAT TERMINOLOGY INTO THE CHARTER AND ADOPTING IT THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SORT OF UNDERSCORING THAT THAT IS A PRIORITY.

YEAH. I'M FOR IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WOULD CHANGE THAT.

THAT'S ALL. THANKS, MAYOR.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK REALLY ANYTHING CHANGES.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE POWER NOW.

IT'S AS PERMITTED BY LAW TO DO THESE THINGS.

WHAT IT DOES, IS IT HIGHLIGHTS THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER.

OKAY. I THINK PRIORITIZING IT IS THE BEST WAY THAT, AS YOU PUT IT.

AND SO IF WE PUT IT OUT THERE AND IT GETS VOTED DOWN AND THAT'S THE END OF IT.

BUT 800 PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THE MISSIONS STATEMENT QUESTION.

AND THAT ONE SORT OF CAME OUT HEAVY ON ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

I HAVE A QUESTION? YES. COMMISSIONER.

I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN THIS IS OUR PHILOSOPHY.

THIS IS OUR CULTURE VERSUS HAVING A COMMISSION.

NESC. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMISSIONS HERE.

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AND TO THE TO YOUR POINT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT GOES, BUT IT NEEDS TO PERMEATE PROBABLY ALL THOSE THINGS.

LIKE SO COMMISSIONER RING.

YES. MR. KILLINGSWORTH, DIDN'T WE ADD A GOAL LIKE THIS TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? JUST A COUPLE OF MAYBE TWO TOWN HALL MEETINGS AGO.

WHAT? THE COMMISSION THROUGH THE MAYOR TO COMMISSIONER RING.

WHAT THE COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO DO WAS TO ADD MARSH SIDE PRESERVATION, WHICH WE'VE DONE WE DO HAVE PRIORITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS.

I THINK BY BY PUTTING IT IN THE CHARTER, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT DOESN'T GIVE THE COMMISSION ANY MORE AUTHORITY THAN WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.

YEAH. SO I THINK IF IT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF IT IS THE TWO PRIORITY SETTING MEETINGS I'VE BEEN HERE FOR, IT'S IN THERE.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD IT INTO THE CHARTER.

OR AT LEAST TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE.

SO I'LL JUST GIVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

I, I HEARD PEOPLE SAY TONIGHT PUT IT ON, ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE AND THEN TAKE THIS ONE OFF SO THE CITIZENS CAN'T DECIDE.

I THINK THERE IS ALWAYS THE RISK THAT PEOPLE VOTE EMOTIONALLY AND VOTE BASED ON WHAT FEELS GOOD, AND THAT IT FEELS GOOD TO PUT WHAT I THINK IS A VISION STATEMENT INTO THE CHARTER.

I'M A PURIST. I'M NOT GOING TO BE BASHFUL ABOUT TELLING YOU I WOULD NOT.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE US CONSTITUTION OF THE OF OUR COUNTRY.

AMENDMENTS TO THAT CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE FEWER, NOT MORE.

THAT IS A GENERAL FRAMEWORK TO GOVERN BY.

AND THIS. AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE.

THIS IS FLUFF.

WE ARE PUTTING FLUFF INTO OUR CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, OUT OF FAIRNESS TO THE CITIZENS THAT FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING AND PUT IT ON THE ON THE AGENDA, THE AGENDA FOR THE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT BUT I'M, I'M NOT 100% SOLD YET BECAUSE.

AND BY THE WAY, I HEARD ONE CITIZEN TONIGHT SPEAK ON THE ISSUE OF PUTTING IT PERHAPS UP HERE AS A BANNER.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK WE SHOULD CELEBRATE WHAT WE STAND FOR IN THIS CITY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY THOUGHTFUL BEFORE WE START AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ACTIONABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO TEETH IN THAT TO SAY THAT IF YOU MISSTEP, SOMEHOW YOU ARE SUBJECT TO CENSORSHIP AND REMOVAL OR WHATEVER I DO.

THAT, BY THE WAY, DOES START TO CONCERN ME.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING? SO WE CAN START OFF WITH AN INNOCUOUS STATEMENT LIKE THIS, AND THEN WHERE DOES IT GO TO ON THE NEXT MODIFICATION? I ALSO HEARD CITIZENS SAY THAT WE SHOULD NOT REMOVE THIS FROM THE CHARTER.

WELL, IT'S NOT IN THE CHARTER.

SO I THINK WHAT THEY MEANT TO SAY WE SHOULD NOT REMOVE IT FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND THE CHARTER.

BUT THIS IS NOT IN OUR CHARTER.

HOW HAVE WE MADE IT THIS FAR? WE HAVE ALL WE HAVE OUR ABILITY TO TO MAKE LAW IS ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH OR WITHOUT THIS ADDITION INTO THE CHARTER.

SO IF WE CHOOSE TO PUT THIS ON THE THE BALLOT IN A REFERENDUM, I SUSPECT THE CITIZENS WILL PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT.

BUT WHAT IS IT DOING FOR US? AND I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF PUTTING THINGS LIKE THIS IN THE CHARTER.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR TODAY, AND THEN I'LL HAVE BETTER TALKING POINTS ON THE NEXT MEETING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'VE ELIMINATED IS ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MOVING FOR, OH, WE HAD ONE MORE.

WE HAD DID WE ADDRESS WE DID NOT ADDRESS THE FOUR YEAR RESIDENCY OR WE DID.

WE DID NOT. OKAY.

NUMBER FIVE. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO PUTTING THAT INTO THE REFERENDUM? OKAY. SO IF I MAY RECAP, WE'VE ACTUALLY STATED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE EVERYTHING INTO ORDINANCE FOR THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER TWO AND THAT POTENTIALLY WE'RE GOING TO GROUP FIVE, SEVEN AND EIGHT TOGETHER IF WE APPROVE THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT THEY'RE ONE ITEM ON THE REFERENDUM.

YES. COMMISSIONER RING. DID WE DECIDE ON EIGHT? BECAUSE IS IT NECESSARY TO ADD IN THE VERBIAGE OF OF MAJORITY? IT WERE GETTING RID OF TWO? NO. I MEAN, THAT WAS MY THEORY.

DO YOU THINK YOU DON'T NEED IT? SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO IT.

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THAT'S IT. THAT'S MY POINT.

NOW, WE'VE WE'RE AT A DIFFERENT PLACE.

SO WE CAN NOW THAT WE ELIMINATED TWO, WE CAN ELIMINATE EIGHT.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT.

LESS IS MORE. YEAH.

YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT.

FOCUS ON SORRY MAYOR, BUT YOU JUST SAID FIVE WAS GOING TO BE LUMPED IN WITH SEVEN AND OR DID YOU DID YOU THE RESIDENCY.

WELL THE RESIDENCY COULD BE I.

YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK THAT ONE'S PRETTY EASY.

I THINK MANY I THINK WELL I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE CITIZENS, BUT I DO BELIEVE MOST CITIZENS WOULD PROBABLY VOTE YES ON THAT IF, IF LUMPED TOGETHER WITH THE CITY CLERK CLEANUP, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE DROPPING EIGHT, SO IT'D ONLY BE TWO TOGETHER.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. LET'S GET SOME OTHER OPINIONS.

CITY MANAGER, IF WE'RE ONLY LUMPING TWO TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GAIN THAT MUCH.

AND IT'S ONLY A TOTAL OF SEVEN THAT MAKE IT TO THE REFERENDUM.

SHOULD WE JUST KEEP THEM ALL SEPARATE? ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE SIX.

RIGHT. YOU'RE DROPPING TWO.

WE'RE DROPPING NUMBER TWO.

OH. I'M SORRY. NUMBER EIGHT.

YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE DROPPING TWO.

SO WE'RE ONLY SIX, RIGHT? SO I SAY JUST LEAVE THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, I THINK NOW THAT I SEE THAT WE'VE GOT SIX, I.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL BLOW UP ANYBODY'S BRAINS BY HAVING SIX DIFFERENT THINGS TO VOTE ON.

YES. QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.

OKAY. I KNOW EVERYBODY.

THEIR PASSION IS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND ALL THAT.

BUT OR, I MEAN, IS THE CITY GOING TO VOTE ON ALL OF THESE? I MEAN, JUST SINGLE OUT ONE THING? WE CAN'T JUST SINGLE OUT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP THAT THAT THEY WANT TO VOTE ON IF THEY WANT TO VOTE.

AND I LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE ALL THIS WORK AND THEY'VE SPENT ALL THEIR HOURS AND TIME WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND WHY ARE WE SINGLING OUT THAT ONE? NO, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SIX, SIX ITEMS. THE INDIVIDUALS THE SELECT OKAY.

TODAY. YEAH. OKAY.

BUT AGAIN WE HAVE YOU KNOW TWO MORE TIMES WE'LL LOOK AT THIS.

RIGHT. BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY, THEY THE CITIZENS WANT TO HAVE THEIR VOTE.

RIGHT OKAY. THEY WILL VOTE ON IF WE IF WE APPROVE THIS THEY'LL VOTE ON ALL SIX INDIVIDUALLY.

GOTCHA. I'M SORRY. I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

THANKS. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AT THIS POINT.

I'M GOOD WITH IT. YES.

SO, MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, IF WE COULD THEN HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2428, STRIKING NUMBER TWO, NUMBER EIGHT, AND AMENDING SECTION ONE TO READ, THE CITY COMMISSION HEREBY ACCEPTS THE FINAL REPORT OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, EFFECTIVE MAY 20TH, 2024.

OKAY, I'LL.

I'LL MAKE. LET'S GET A MOTION.

YOU WANT TO MOVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO STRIKE NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER EIGHT AND WITH THE VERBIAGE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION MOVES FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION, WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER KELLY SECOND BUT..

I NEED A CLARIFICATION, DOES THAT AMENDMENT INCLUDE THE MODIFICATIONS TO SECTION ONE? YES. ACCEPTING THE REPORT, EFFECTIVE MAY 20TH.

OKAY. AND I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.

WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION ON THAT? CAN I PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM? YES. COME ON UP.

THIS IS NOT LAW AND ORDER.

BAILIFF. I CAN'T SEE COMMISSIONER BOLE WHEN I SIT OVER THERE.

SO AFTER YOU ASK ME ABOUT NUMBER FOUR I HEARD SOME MORE DISCUSSION GOING ON, AND THEN THAT REMINDED ME ONE REASON WHY NUMBER FOUR WON'T WON'T WORK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

AND, AND ALSO WHILE I'M ON THAT SECTION FIVE IS NOT WHAT WOULD BE CHANGED.

IT WOULD BE 14 40 AND 41.

AND, THE REASON IT WHAT I WHAT CAME UP THAT STARTED ME THINKING AGAIN, IF YOU WERE TO USE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE TERM SHALL BEGIN AT THE FIRST REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THEREAFTER. IF YOU GO WITH THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL.

AND THINGS ARE DETERMINED AT THE PRIMARY.

YOU DON'T WANT THEM STARTING AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I'M TRYING TO STATE MY CASE AGAIN TO GO ALONG WITH THE CRC AND ANYWHERE THAT IT SAYS THE SECOND MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, CHANGE IT TO THE SECOND MONDAY IN DECEMBER.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

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IF YOU JUST CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY DECEMBER RATHER THAN NOVEMBER.

IT'LL JUST BE CHANGING ONE WORD.

OKAY. IT'LL STILL KEEP THE LANGUAGE ABOUT CERTIFICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET CERTIFIED BY THE SECOND MONDAY IN NOVEMBER.

WE KNOW. OKAY. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

NOW, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET IT FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF NOVEMBER, WHICH IS THE FOURTH MONDAY OF NOVEMBER.

BUT IT ONLY GAVE US LIKE TWO DAYS BEFORE THE ACTUAL MEETING OCCURRED.

AND I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LITTLE CUSHION.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY THE SECOND MEETING MONDAY, RIGHT? I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER MEETING, EITHER FIRST MEETING OR SECOND MONDAY.

I MEAN, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU SAY FIRST MEETING.

THAT WAY, IF YOU EVER CHANGE FLEXIBILITY.

YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE.

YEAH. FIRST MEETING.

FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.

ALL RIGHT. MR. KILLINGSWORTH YEAH.

SO IF I MIGHT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE WHAT YOU SAY IS THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER OR THE CERTIFICATION OF ELECTION RESULTS, WHICHEVER COMES LATER.

SO IF YOU GET CERTIFICATION RESULTS IN THE PRIMARY.

THEY WON'T MEET UNTIL DECEMBER.

IF YOU DON'T GET CERTIFICATION RESULTS UNTIL CHRISTMAS.

THEN THEY'LL MEET THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.

AND BILL IS KIND OF THAT'S EXACTLY THE THOUGHT I HAD.

I WOULD SAY THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING OR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING IN DECEMBER OR CERTIFICATION, WHICHEVER IS LATTER, THAT I THINK THAT COVERS YOU REGARDLESS BOTH WAYS.

YEAH. OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD CALL DONNA. OKAY.

SO DO WE HAVE LANGUAGE HERE? YES. OKAY. WHO'S IN CHARGE OF WHAT WE JUST SAID? WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS, THAT WOULD BE JASON AND I.

THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS LANGUAGE, RIGHT, I LIKE THAT.

OH, OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF I MAY, WE MAY WANT TO MODIFY THE AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE IN FORTH.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY IF LANGUAGE IS INCLUDED.

OKAY. SO ARE WE DOING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE'LL VOTE ON FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT OR THE..

WELL IT'S HIS AMENDMENT.

I THINK YOU CAN JUST LUMP IT INTO ONE AMENDMENT WITH THESE FRIENDLY MINOR AMENDMENTS INTERTWINED, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT AGAIN.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S TRUE.

OKAY. SO SECOND.

WELL, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE IT.

DO I HAVE TO AMEND MY SECOND? NO.

YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

BUT THANKS FOR ASKING.

OKAY. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

AYE, OPPOSED.

THAT IS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WHERE ARE WE AT? GET BACK ON TRACK HERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ARE WE READY FOR NINE? YES. YES WE ARE.

OKAY. WE'RE UP TO ITEM NINE.

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-24-173, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024, DASH 173, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.

SO WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SPEAKING ON THIS? I HAVE NO CARDS.

OKAY. SINCE WE HADN'T MENTIONED IT, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE ON.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-24-173.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? JUST ONE. SURE.

DOES THIS LAST BILL THIS DOES THIS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE ANYTHING WE'VE SEEN BEFORE? AS FAR AS BUDGET, NO.

SO IN THE PRIOR IN THE FIRST HEARING OF THIS, I BELIEVE IT SAID $250,000.

I THINK THAT GOT CONFLATED WITH THE CONTRACT.

THE CONTRACT IS $250,000.

HOW MUCH WE'RE APPROPRIATING IS 246,000.

THE OTHER 4000 WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET.

[01:35:02]

AND THEN THE OTHER 200,000 WILL BE REIMBURSED.

OKAY, WE'RE JUST CHECKING. THANKS.

OKAY. THIS IS JUST ARE THERE THAT MANY FATALITIES OR ACCIDENTS IN ATLANTIC BEACH? I MEAN, HOW DID WE QUALIFY FOR THIS GRANT? I'LL LET SEEING HOW IT'S APPLIED BEFORE I GOT HERE.

I'LL LET. I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S ALL VERY WELL AND GOOD, BUT..

YOU'RE TURNING DOWN FEDERAL MONEY.

YEAH, I KNOW. I'M SORRY.

JUST WONDERING.

GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.

WE DID APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.

IT IS FEDERAL MONEY IN ORDER TO BUILD PROJECTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIDEWALK ON CHERRY, I MEAN, ON SEMINOLE THAT CONNECTED TO THE SCHOOL.

THAT WAS FEDERAL MONEY.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TYING UP THIS MONEY AND WILL NOT GIVE IT TO YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.

WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR APPLICATION ALONG WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST CRASHES WITH VEHICLES, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT SAFELY CROSSING PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES AS WELL.

SO. WE WERE PROPERLY AWARDED THE GRANT, SO WE ARE EXCITED TO START THIS PLAN.

IT WILL BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STAFF COMMITTEE, AS IS IT GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF PETE'S? PETE'S BAR? YEAH, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR MISSION.

THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS.

NO, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ALMOST MISSES YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY CRASHES, BUT A LOT OF ALMOST MISSES ESPECIALLY ON ATLANTIC AND MAYPORT ROAD, BUT SOME OF OUR CONNECTING STREETS AS WELL.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU AMANDA.

OKAY. SO WE ARE NOW READY TO GO BACK TO ITEM.

WE GOT A BOAT UP. I THOUGHT WE VOTED.

OKAY. MOTION TO VOTE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20-24-173.

I JUST DID THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. YEAH, WE DID THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

WE NEED TO VOTE. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. NO, NO.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING BACK TO ITEM EIGHT A.

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-24 (Part 2 of 2)]

NO. YOU'RE CORRECT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'M LOSING MY MIND HERE.

ITEM EIGHT A, I'M GOING TO REREAD THIS.

THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-24.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF A $200,000 US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF SAFETY FOR SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL GRANT AND $50,000 OF CITY FUNDS TO KIMLEY-HORN TO CREATE A VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I CALL ON YOU TO SPEAK AGAIN ON THAT, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MAKE A MOTION. WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-24.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY. SO WE ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ITEM 11 NOW.

CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT SAY YOU? NOTHING TO REPORT TODAY, SIR.

THANK YOU. CITY CLERK.

DONNA. NO. THANK YOU.

OKAY. CLOSING COMMENTS.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

YEAH. I KNOW WE PULLED SOME OF THOSE SORRY.

I KNOW WE PULLED SOME THINGS THAT WERE LISTED AS RECOMMENDATIONS OFF THE LIST.

AND THAT WORKSHOP, ONE HAVING TO DO WITH THE CENSUS, CENSUS, UPDATING THE CENSUS AND GIVING STAFF APPROVAL TO DO THAT.

WE ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CRC SELECTION AND THE CITY MANAGER HIRING PROCESS.

CAN YOU REMIND ME, BILL, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, EXACTLY WHERE WHERE ARE WE ON THOSE WILL THAT THOSE BE PULLED FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION LATER? I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE CHARTER THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WE PUT ON THE REFERENDUM.

BUT WE'RE PULLING THEM.

AND WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE ARE THREE ISSUES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE REMEDIED.

YES. MY, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE MAYOR TO COMMISSIONER RING, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE COMMISSION DIRECTED ME TO CREATE ORDINANCES TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THINGS, AND THEN THAT WE WOULD BRING THOSE ORDINANCES BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

GREAT. SO WE'LL JUST SEE THAT IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS.

CORRECT. SO, IF I MAY, ON THE ONE, THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE THE PROCESS FOR SELECTION OF THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, CORRECT.

[01:40:01]

I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

AND I'LL CRAFT SOMETHING UP THAT I THINK WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON THE OTHER TWO, THE CRITERIA FOR HIRING A CITY MANAGER AND THE CRITERIA FOR THE CRC THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IF WE SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP THROUGH A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING AND JUST DISCUSS THE PROCESS ON HOW THIS COMMISSION THINKS IT SHOULD BE DONE.

AND THEN I CAN CRAFT WORKING WITH JASON, AN ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE IDEAS.

UNLESS THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE ME JUST TO TAKE A STAB AT IT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

BUT BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER KELLY, WELL, I HAD A QUESTION THAT NOT ONLY THE CRC SELECTION, BUT THE STOP COMMITTEE SELECTION GOT A LITTLE MESSY TOO.

SO MAYBE WE HAVE A SPECIFIC SECTION FOR THE CRC AND ANOTHER SECTION FOR VARIOUS AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT THAT LIKE STOP OR SOMETHING, AND MAYBE THE CENTENNIAL COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING.

WE COULD, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO OPINE ON THIS.

SO THE AD HOC COMMITTEES ARE WHAT YOU WOULD REFER TO AS THE MAYOR'S AD HOC COMMITTEES, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE UP FUTURE MAYORS AUTHORITY TO APPOINT THOSE COMMITTEES.

SO, YOU KNOW, CRC IS DIFFERENT.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THE AD HOC ONES ARE, LIKE YOU SAID PREROGATIVE OF THE MAYOR, THE CRC, CERTAINLY WE COULD COME UP WITH AND THAT MAY HAVE SOME UNIQUENESS TO IT.

SO SOME SPECIFICITY THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE JUST TO THE CRC BECAUSE AND AGAIN, THERE'S 100 WAYS TO PROBABLY PUT THAT ONE TOGETHER.

I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, EVERY COMMISSIONER BRINGS TWO MEMBERS.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN CUT THAT UP.

BUT I AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR, BUT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AND SEE.

ARE THERE OTHER PERHAPS CODE REQUIRED BOARDS? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AD HOC, NOT TALKING ABOUT CRC.

THOSE, PERHAPS WE COULD DO A CATCH ALL TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE'VE ALREADY CLEANED THOSE UP.

WE DID THOSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WE WE SORT OF STREAMLINED THEM AND STANDARDIZED THEM, AND WE ALIGNED ALL THE MEMBERSHIPS SO THAT THEY, ROTATE.

WELL, AND YOU ALIGNED TO HAVING CERTAIN MEMBERS FROM EACH DISTRICT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, THE ONES THAT REQUIRED IT.

YEAH. RIGHT. AND WE COULD DO THAT CERTAINLY WITH THE THE CRC.

SO I HEARD AN OFFER I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MR. KILLINGSWORTH UP ON THE OFFER TO LET HIM MAKE A STAB AT IT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER HE WRITES.

BUT, YES, ONE THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH THE RISK MITIGATION.

YOU GUYS SAW THE DOCUMENT.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS AND MAYOR TO HAVE INPUT AND TO HEAR AS THEY CRAFT, AS YOU GO ALONG, SO THAT YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE A PIECE OF PAPER IN ONE NIGHT. YOU GO, YEAH, I GOT TO VOTE ON THIS EVEN THOUGH I READ IT.

SO I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT WITH WITH KEVIN, WITH YOU, WITH DONNA, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE UPDATE US, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN WORDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TO ALL OF US.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT THE VERBIAGE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, I THINK WE ENGAGE ALONG THE WAY.

SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WE MIGHT COME PRECARIOUSLY CLOSE TO VIOLATING SUNSHINE.

YEAH. WHERE I'M UTILIZING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN ALL OF YOU TO.

TO DRAFT A DOCUMENT.

SO I MEAN, IF IF THAT'S IMPORTANT THEN IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO DO A WORKSHOP.

IF NOT, THEN I CAN LOOK AT HOW THE OTHER COMMITTEES ARE SET UP AND BASICALLY CRIB THE LANGUAGE FROM THAT.

I THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO DO A WORKSHOP SO PEOPLE GET.

I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE ON THAT.

SO IS THIS ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF WORKSHOPS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BEGINNING OR THE IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING ONE OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS? YOU MAKE IT FINITE INTO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE MEETING.

BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALL GOT OPINIONS ON THIS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DECIDE, OKAY.

YEAH. WELL, IF I MAY, THERE'S NOT A DEADLINE ON THE.

THAT'S RIGHT ON THE CENSUS, ONE WHERE THERE IS, BUT YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF YEARS OUT AND THE CRC IS WE HAVE TIME WHERE IF WE NEED 3 OR 4 WORKSHOPS ON IT, WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT.

OKAY. SO YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND SET UP A WORKSHOP AND WE'RE NOT IN A HURRY.

CORRECT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM PRE-COMMISSION MEETING, OR DO YOU WANT THEM AS JUST PART OF A COMMISSION MEETING? I COULD I COULD ROLL THEM INTO THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS, OR WE COULD START AT 6 OR 5:30, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION AGAINST DOING IT AT DURING OUR REGULAR MEETING.

WE'RE RUNNING OUR MEETINGS FAIRLY EFFICIENTLY ON TIME.

[01:45:02]

IT MAKES SENSE MAYBE, TO JUST ROLL THIS INTO A REGULAR MEETING.

OKAY, I'M SEEING EITHER WAY.

I MEAN, I'M FINE COMING IN AN HOUR EARLY OR IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME, BUT IF.

IT MAY NOT, IF WE DO IT LONG OF WAITING, IT MAY NOT BE THAT LONG OF A DISCUSSION.

IT SHOULDN'T BE. WE LEARNED OUR LESSON.

YEAH. WOULD WE HAVE THESE SEPARATE? SO WOULD THE CRC SELECTION COME AT FIVE FOR 530 BEFORE ONE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS HAVING TO DO WITH THE CITY MANAGER HIRING PROCESS.

AND THAT'S AN HOUR BEFORE A COMMISSION MEETING.

YES. IF I MAY, AGAIN, THROUGH THE MAYOR TO COMMISSIONER RING I THINK PROBABLY HOW I WOULD DO IT IS I WOULD DO THE REDISTRICTING ONE FIRST.

I THINK THAT'S THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE CAN GET IT IN AND OUT PRETTY QUICK.

AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE CRC WHEN WE'D WORK ON THAT UNTIL WE GOT IT DONE.

AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE CITY MANAGER ONE AND WORK ON THAT UNTIL WE GOT IT DONE.

IS THERE A REASON YOU PUT THAT ONE LAST? YES. I'M THINKING TENDS TO STAY A WHILE.

VERY GOOD. SO SO AM I HEARING THAT IT WHEN WE DO REVIEW THE CRC PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN THE BODY OF A REGULAR MEETING.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

THAT'S, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT.

I QUITE THINK I THINK YOU COULD SPREAD EACH OF THESE THINGS OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TACKLE THREE OF THEM IN ONE MEETING, SO.

NO, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT, WE WOULD DO 1 IN 1 MEETING AND IF WE NEEDED ANOTHER MEETING, WE'D DO IT AT THE NEXT ONE UNTIL IT WAS DONE, AND THEN WE'D TAKE UP THE NEXT SUBJECT. OKAY.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT TEAM.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT.

SO DID I ALREADY START OFF WITH COMMENTS OR.

NO, NO, THAT WAS PART OF MY CLOSING COMMENT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS, WAS IT? AND I'M DONE. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WATERS.

I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLE.

I JUST THINK BY US PULLING NUMBER TWO OFF, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE FOR OUR STATE.

YES, I AGREE, THANKS.

I GUESS WHEN CAN WE LOOK, I GUESS, KEVIN, DO WE HAVE A CLOSING DATE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY SURVEY? FOR THE FIRST.

HI. KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

YES, FRIDAY, THIS FRIDAY IS CLOSING DAY.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH.

SO SINCE YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP, WHEN WILL WE GET A REPORT ON THE RESULTS OF THAT? AND WILL THAT REPORT BE BEFORE A MEETING? I HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.

WELL, SO THE ANSWER IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE A REPORT ON THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY, WE WILL PROVIDE THEM.

YES, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED AND TRY TO DIGEST THAT.

SO I'M NOT BLIND COMING INTO A MEETING.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I JUST I'M JUST GOING TO FINISH.

YES. OKAY.

SO I HAD TALKED ABOUT AND I DROPPED IT BECAUSE I GOT CAUGHT UP ON THE TOWN HALL, BUT WE HAD TENTATIVELY SET JUNE 17TH, AND MY RECOLLECTION IS COMMISSIONER RING CANNOT BE THERE AND THAT YOU WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO BE THERE.

SO IF WE COULD GET A DATE FOR THAT, THE JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN CDB AND THE CITY COMMISSION.

DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN JUNE? THEY ASKED FOR IT QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO HONOR THAT REQUEST AND GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

COULD WE DO IT BEFORE OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING? LIKE START AT FIVE AND ROLL RIGHT IN.

THAT WOULDN'T WORK.

I YOU WANT WHAT YOU HAVE.

WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SAY? WHO'S THEY.

CDB. CDB WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE FORMULATED CURRENT POLICY AND ORDINANCE.

THEY WANT TO TALK TO EXPERTS.

THEY, YOU'D HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEIR MEETING.

AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THE GIST OF THAT.

THEY DISCUSSED IT, BUT I ALSO HAVE MANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION.

OKAY. MR. MAYOR, I'M CONCERNED, THE NEXT MEETING WE DID DISCUSS WITH THE CONSULTANT THE 17TH, WHICH HE, THEY WERE AVAILABLE FOR.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT, THAT'S PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND.

SO. I PERSONALLY, MY REQUEST IS THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING.

I DON'T WANT A MEETING PUSHED UP.

I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CODE ON CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PAVERS STORMWATER RETENTION ON SITE AND SO ON.

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AND THEN WE HAVE CITIZENS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE.

SO WE NEED TO BRING ALL THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER.

IT NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE MEETING AND HAVE THE ATTENTION.

COMMISSIONER RING. I'LL JUST SAY IT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THINKING THIS.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THE 17TH.

PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT SHOW UP.

I WALK AND RIDE BIKES WITH A COUPLE OF THEM AND THEY'RE PLANNING IT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THERE.

I'VE MISSED THINGS BEFORE AND IT'S PAINFUL.

BUT IF YOU'VE GOT TWO CONSULTANTS, TEN PEOPLE, A COMMITTEE, FOUR OUT OF FIVE, YOU MAY WANT TO GO WITH THE 17TH.

I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

WELL, COMMISSIONER BOLE I CANNOT ATTEND THAT ONE.

BUT AND THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT.

IT WASN'T EVEN LISTED ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR TWO WEEKS AGO.

THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION OF HAVING ONE.

THE TENTATIVE DATE OF THE 17TH, TONIGHT'S THE FIRST NIGHT THAT I'M MAKING.

I JUST IT'S NOT BEEN ON ANY OF THE PAST AGENDAS.

WE COULD DO THE FIRST MONDAY IN JULY IF THAT WORKS.

DOES NOT.

DOES NOT. FIRST WEEK.

WHAT ABOUT JUNE 25TH? TUESDAY, JUNE 25TH.

YES. GOOD BY ME.

I'M FINE. YOU'VE GOT TO POLL THE CONSULTANT.

YEAH, I'VE GOT TO CHECK MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY.

I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S COMING IN TOWN FOR THAT FOR 25TH BIRTHDAY.

SO I FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WE CAN'T VIOLATE SUNSHINE.

SO CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO JUST GO BACK TO EACH COMMISSIONER AND VALIDATE WHAT CAN BE DONE.

I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED THAT IF ONE OF US CAN'T MAKE IT, NONE OF US CAN MAKE IT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET PAST THIS.

SO, COMMISSIONER RING, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STAND ASIDE ON THIS.

IF WE CANNOT COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN BREWING, WE MADE THIS A PRIORITY IN OUR PRIORITIES THIS YEAR TO ADDRESS OUR POLICIES, AND THE CDB IS HAS ASKED FOR THIS MEETING AND THEY ASKED I THINK IT'S A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.

WHAT ABOUT SO I HEARD THE 26TH, WE MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE.

I MEAN, THE 25TH. WHAT ABOUT THE 26TH? 27TH? NOT THE 28TH, THAT'S A FRIDAY.

THAT'S GOOD. FINE.

I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT, I'LL SHOOT FOR ONE OF THOSE TWO DAYS.

BUT I'D ASK YOU TO CHECK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE.

RIGHT. DID, AMANDA HAS LEFT.

OKAY, GIRL. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. WE COVERED QUITE A BIT TONIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? THANK YOU FOR PAYING ATTENTION EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU TO OUR CITIZENS WHO STAYED SO LATE.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.