Jun 24, 2024 Commission Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER ]

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WELCOME, RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS.

BEFORE I OPEN THIS MEETING WE'LL LEAD OFF WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE FROM COMMISSIONER BOLE.

PLEASE JOIN US, STAN.

GOD. LET US REMEMBER THAT WE LISTEN, TO LISTEN TO ALL THE VOICES OF OUR SPECIAL TOWN.

WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS IS ALWAYS A PRIORITY.

THANK YOU, LORD, FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.

AMEN.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLE.

LADAYIJA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? REVERSE ENGINEER THIS, AND I'LL ACTUALLY OPEN THE MEETING.

THIS MEETING OF JUNE 24TH.

THE CITY COMMISSION OF ATLANTIC BEACH WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, BUT THERE ARE NONE.

SO WE'LL MOVE STRAIGHT TO MY FAVORITE SECTION, THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS AND WE'RE KIND OF REVERSE THAT A LITTLE, TOO.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.

BEHIND ME IN THE RED SHIRTS IS THE MAYPORT COASTAL SCIENCES ROBOTICS CLUB, AND THEY ARE HERE TO SHARE SOME BIG NEWS ABOUT A NOT JUST LOCAL, NOT A STATE, NOT A NATIONAL, BUT AN INTERNATIONAL AWARD THAT THEY WON.

AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY REWARDING BECAUSE THIS IS THE FRUITS OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH GRANT THROUGH THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE AND I'D LIKE TO FIRST INTRODUCE THE PRINCIPAL IS HERE, THE NEW PRINCIPAL, AARON [INAUDIBLE] AND TODD CARAWAY, THE ADULT WHO LEADS THIS GROUP, IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.

[INAUDIBLE]. GO AHEAD AND SPREAD OUT.

GET COMFORTABLE. [INAUDIBLE].

[INAUDIBLE] APPROACH AND SHOW YOU SOME OF THE THINGS CLOSER AS WELL.

OKAY. WONDERFUL. PLEASE DO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TODD CARAWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE.

MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS JOE SCHWARTZ AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT DURING THE LAST YEAR.

WE'RE THRILLED.

WE'RE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED.

MAYPORT COASTAL SCIENCE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS AN ABSOLUTE GEM.

YES. MY SON'S A SEVENTH GRADER, SO HE'S NOT HERE.

HE'S ON VACATION, SO HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.

BUT WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE WHAT WE THE EDUCATION WE'VE BEEN GETTING THERE AND IT'S NOT JUST THE KIND OF THE A LEVEL EDUCATION.

IT'S THE OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

SO THE ROBOTICS CLUB IS AN ANCILLARY SCHOOL GROUP WHERE WE MEET EVERY TUESDAY EVERY DAY, EVERY TUESDAY FOR TWO HOURS.

THIS IS AFTER SCHOOL MEET EVERY SATURDAY FROM NINE TILL NOON, FROM SEPTEMBER UP UNTIL MAY.

SO IT'S OVER 2000 HOURS THAT THESE KIDS DEDICATE TO THIS PROGRAM AND WHAT IT IS BASICALLY A STEM PROGRAM.

SO THE SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY BUILDING AN UNDERWATER ROBOT ENTER STAGE LEFT.

SO GO AHEAD AND LOOK THIS UP SO THEY CAN SEE IT IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST GOING TO WALK RUN.

SO IT'S A REMOTE OPERATED VEHICLE.

BASICALLY SEAPERCH, WHICH IS A INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION HAS A COMPETITION WHERE WE BASICALLY BUILD THIS USING THE SCIENTIFIC METHODS USING BASICALLY 3D DESIGN BASICALLY ENGINEERING IT AND GOING THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS AND THEN COMPETING WITH IT UNDERWATER.

SO THERE'S A I CAN'T BRING IT IN, BUT BASICALLY A FIVE FOOT DEEP TARGET UNDERWATER AND THERE'S TWO COURSES AND THEY BASICALLY ARE REMOTELY OPERATED AND THESE BASICALLY THERE'S 14 KIDS TOTAL.

SO 3 TEAMS BASICALLY ONE THEY BEAT THE WORLD.

SO WE'VE GOT THE 6TH GRADERS WHO WON THE MIDDLE SCHOOL INTERNATIONAL FIRST PLACE CLASS AND WE HAVE THE SEVENTH GRADERS WHO WON THE SIMILAR AWARD FOR THE OPEN CLASS, WHICH WAS AGAINST HIGH SCHOOLERS AS WELL.

LAST YEAR WE ALSO WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THE YEAR BEFORE.

WE HAVE AS WELL. SO IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS COMING.

SO THE PROGRAM'S BEEN AROUND, I THINK 6 OR 7 YEARS.

AGAIN, REMEMBER MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU CYCLE THROUGH EVERY THREE.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT GROUP OF KIDS, A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PARENTS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

BUT THEY'VE REALLY DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM YOU IS CRITICAL TO IT.

THERE IS TRAVEL INVOLVED.

THERE ARE 3D PRINTERS, THERE ARE EQUIPMENT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO WE DO FUNDRAISERS.

I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB THIS YEAR, BUT YOU GUYS WERE AN INTEGRAL PIECE TO THAT AS WELL.

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WELL HERE THEY ARE. SO HERE'S THE BIG AWARDS.

HOLD THEM UP, SEAN.

YEP. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WE ALSO WON TEN OTHER AWARDS.

SO THE BEST TECHNICAL REPORT, THE BEST MISSION COURSE TIME, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF IT AND THEN TECHNICAL REPORT FOR ONE OF THE TEAMS. KIND OF AN INTERESTING SIDE NOTE.

THE GROUP ITSELF REACHED OUT TO US AND SAID HEY, AS THE TOP SCORING TECHNICAL REPORT, WHICH IS ABOUT A ABOUT TEN PAGE REPORT LET ME GET THE NAME RIGHT.

THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF NAVAL ENGINEERS ASKED US TO HAVE IT PUBLISHED.

SO THE KIDS ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET A PUBLISHING CREDIT.

THERE'S NOT MUCH AS FAR AS MONEY THERE, BUT AS FAR AS THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LEARNING NEW THINGS, NEW EXPERIENCES.

IT'S THE ACADEMIC CURRICULUM IN THE SCHOOL THAT'S FANTASTIC.

BUT THIS IS WHAT KIND OF BRINGS IT TO LIFE.

THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE TOMORROW'S ENGINEERS.

THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE THEM HOPEFULLY STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, RETURN AFTER HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WE JUST WANT TO COME UP AND SAY THANK YOU.

JUST SIMPLE AS THAT.

THE TEAM HAS, I THINK, A PRETTY FUN TIME DOING IT.

WE DO HAVE TO LURE THEM SOMETIMES WITH DONUTS ON SATURDAY BUT USUALLY GET SOME GOING.

BUT THEN OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A LONG SEASON, BUT IT'S A VERY REWARDING AS WELL AND AGAIN WINNING THEY ARE LEARNING.

IT'S NOT EVERYTHING.

CERTAINLY IT'S NICE WHEN YOU PUT IN ALL THAT EFFORT AND YOU DO HAVE SUCCESS AT THE END.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S REALLY THE JOURNEY AND SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

SO WE HAVE A PLAQUE.

SO GO RIGHT AHEAD. WE HAVE A PLAQUE FOR THE CITY ITSELF.

SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU AND THEN WE DO HAVE WHO HAD THE PENS? THE BUSINESS CARDS? YEP. THERE WE GO. YOU HAVE TO GO AND JUST RUN.

JUST GO. HAND THEM OUT. THERE YOU GO.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME BUSINESS CARDS.

WE MADE THOSE TO HELP GET THE MESSAGE OUT.

WE ACTUALLY DID A FUNDRAISER AT THE CITY JACKSONVILLE ICEMEN HOCKEY GAME WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE TEAM WE ACTUALLY USED AS A CHANCE TO FUNDRAISE.

SO AGAIN, THE SUPPORT FROM YOU GUYS IS INTEGRAL.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER SOURCES AND SUPPORT, INCLUDING DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOLS AND A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

SO AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE THANK YOU FROM US.

WE TRULY APPRECIATE IT.

WE HAD A LOT OF FUN.

YOU GUYS HELPED MAKE IT POSSIBLE.

SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. CAN WE KEEP THE CHILDREN THERE? AND COMMISSIONERS, THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME, LET'S GO DOWN AND WELCOME AND CONGRATULATE THEM PERSONALLY. [INAUDIBLE] . WHILE, THE COMMISSIONERS COME DOWN.

I JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE KIDS FIRST OF ALL, DOES EVERYBODY KNOW MR. SCHWARTZ? HE'S RIGHT THERE.

OKAY, DO YOU KNOW THAT HE BRAGS ON YOU ALL THE TIME? OKAY. ALL THE TIME AND WE ARE SO VERY PROUD OF YOU AND AS WAS JUST ARTICULATED, YOU ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.

BUT IN PARTICULAR, YOU'RE THE FUTURE OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND I HOPE SOME OF YOU STAY HERE AFTER YOU GROW UP AND GRADUATE AND COME BACK FROM COLLEGE.

BUT WE ARE JUST TREMENDOUSLY PROUD AND THIS SPEAKS WELL THAT WE CHOOSE WISELY AND WHO WE SUPPORT YOU ARE WORTH SUPPORTING.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THIS THIS PLAQUE.

WE APPRECIATE IT AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IF YOU'LL COME STAND BEHIND ME, WE'RE GOING TO GET A PHOTO OF EVERYBODY.

JUST COME STAND HERE AND FACE THE CHAIRS THERE.

THAT'S FINE. YEAH. STAND RIGHT HERE AND LET'S GET EVERYBODY'S PICTURE OR FACE AND LET'S HOLD THESE BANNERS UP HIGH.

[INAUDIBLE].

ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THE [INAUDIBLE].

COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'LL STAY WITH ME.

THANK YOU.

IF I MAY HAVE MY MIC BACK.

THANK YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS JOB, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STRUCTURE ON HOW YOU BECOME A GOOD COMMISSIONER.

BUT EDUCATION IS A KEY COMPONENT, AND IT'S AN NEVER ENDING THING NOT JUST AT YOUR AGE, BUT AT EVEN MY AGE.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I HAVE TO STILL LEARN.

BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS RECENTLY COMPLETED SOME CONTINUING EDUCATION TO BECOME BETTER AT WHAT SHE DOES.

WE HAVEN'T HAD TWO EDUCATORS ON OUR COMMISSION.

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IT'S THE IEMO CERTIFICATE FOR A THREE DAY LEARNING OR EDUCATION IN PALM BEACH AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER RING.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HIT ME LATER, BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE NOBODY PROMPTED HER THAT YOU NEED TO GO DO THIS.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO, AND I AM BLESSED.

I HOPE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AGREE.

WE HAVE ONE HECK OF A GREAT COMMISSION BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS ENGAGED, EVERYBODY WORKS HARD TO GET BETTER AND BETTER AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, JESSICA RING.

THANK YOU.

[INAUDIBLE].

SO FOR THE CHILDREN, WE GIVE YOU TWO OPTIONS WHEN YOU COME TO COMMISSION.

WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GET TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CIVICS AND HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS.

BUT YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE AT ANY TIME THAT THIS MEETING WILL PROBABLY GO A LITTLE, MAYBE AN HOUR AND A HALF.

SO IF YOU WANT TO STAY FOR A MINUTE OR TWO, THAT'S FINE.

BUT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO STAY THROUGH THE REST OF THE MEETING.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THAT INCLUDE US MAYOR? NO. SOMEBODY HANDCUFFED HIM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN. THANK YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH.

THAT'S GREAT.

SO COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU OKAY? AM I GOOD? PUBLISHED AT 13, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

OKAY, WE'LL RECONVENE THIS MEETING, BUT WE'LL MOVE TO.

WELL, I WILL MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

SO THANKS FOR THE TIP.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS TODAY? OKAY. SARAH BOREN.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS, EVERYBODY ELSE.

MY NAME IS SARAH BOREN.

I LIVE ON EIGHTH STREET IN ATLANTIC, IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

I AM HERE, SURPRISE TO URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, I HOPE I GOT THE RIGHT NUMBER 33-24-26. WHICH ADDS ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO THE CITY CHARTER.

THREE POINTS, I URGE YOU TO REMEMBER THE TEN PLUS PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE FORMER AT A FORMER CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHO ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTS THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER.

THE CHARTER IS ABOUT FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CITY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS ABSOLUTELY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A CITY, TO USE COMMISSIONER BOLES WORDS TONIGHT, KEEPING OUR AIR, LAND AND WATER CLEAN AND HEALTHY NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE IS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS.

SO PLEASE VOTE TO PASS ORDINANCE 33-24-26.

I HOPE I GOT THE NUMBER RIGHT, ON TO A SECOND READING AND ON TO THE NOVEMBER'S BALLOT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU, MISS BOREN.

BRINKLEY HARRELL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGER AND STAFF.

YEAH. I COME UP HERE A LOT.

I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AS RETIRED AS I AM, OR HAVE THE TIME AND INCLINATION TO ACTUALLY READ AGENDAS THE WAY THAT I DO. SO THE VERY FIRST THING, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY IS.

I COUNTED IT 30 MINUTES BEFORE I CAME HERE.

FROM THE TIME YOU GO TO THE CITY'S HOME PAGE UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO THE AGENDA SIX CLICKS CLICK, CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO THE AGENDA.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

YOU CLICKED ON THE CALENDAR ITEM, AND THEN ONE CLICK AND YOU WERE AT THE AGENDA.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CHANGED, BUT TALK TO ANY IT PERSON, AND THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO DO MORE THAN I THINK IT'S I THINK THE ANSWER IS THREE.

IT COULD BE TWO CLICKS TO GET TO WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

YOU'VE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP THE TECHNOLOGY.

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LOT OF SMART PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO FIX THAT.

ITEM THREE B.

TENNIS INSTRUCTOR REGULATIONS.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A SOLUTION.

LOOKING FOR IF IT'S A SOLUTION, LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.

BUT WHY IS IT ALSO NOT INCLUDE PICKLEBALL, TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL? NOT JUST TENNIS.

KIND OF SEEMS TO SOMEBODY JUST READING THE AGENDA THAT NOW TENNIS IS BEING PICKED ON AGAIN, AND THE NEXT THING IS GOING TO BE WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE OTHER TENNIS COURTS AND TURN IT INTO PICKLEBALL.

BUT YET WE'RE NOT HOLDING THE PICKLEBALL INSTRUCTORS TO THE SAME STANDARD OF THE TENNIS INSTRUCTORS.

WHY NOT? RHETORICAL QUESTION FROM MY STANDPOINT, MAYBE ONE OF YOU FIND COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THAT QUESTION.

ITEM 6 B PAVING STREETS.

YOU KNOW, WE KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

NOW, NEW PAVEMENT IS ALWAYS GOOD, AND MUCH OF OLD ATLANTIC BEACH IS A MIX OF 14 FOOT, 16 FOOT AND 18 FOOT WIDE STREETS.

BUT EVERY TIME WE PAVE, WE'RE JUST TAKING OFF THE OLD PAVEMENT, PUTTING ON NEW PAVEMENT RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET THE SKINNIER STREETS A LITTLE BIT WIDER SO THAT A COUPLE OF CARS CAN PASS AT THE SAME TIME WITH SOME OUT, SOMEBODY HAVING TO PULL INTO A DRIVEWAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THINGS BETTER.

YOU KNOW, THE BUDGETS ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IF CERTAIN STREETS NEED TO BE WIDENED A FOOT ON EITHER SIDE TO MAKE IT A STANDARD 18 FOOT STREET IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH, WHY NOT? YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS FIND THE MONEY.

ITEM 8A, WHICH IS THE STOCK COMMITTEE REPORT.

YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE STOP COMMITTEE.

WE DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT ON THE STOP COMMITTEE THAT HAPPENED IN THIS ROOM A WEEK AGO WITH THE WORKSHOP, WITH THE CDB.

THE WHAT WAS IT CALLED CDB OKAY.

YEAH THAT OKAY AND WHAT CAME OUT AT THAT MEETING IS THAT PERF BLOCKS, WHICH IS THE ONLY KIND OF PAVER MENTIONED IN THE CITY ORDINANCES IS EITHER THIRD OR FOURTH DOWN THE LIST OF BEST PRACTICES PERMEABLE PAVERS WAS NUMBER ONE AND I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, BUT Y'ALL ACTUALLY HAD HANDOUTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT ENGINEERS, ONE OF WHICH WORKS FOR A COMPANY.

ANOTHER ONE WHICH IS AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT SHOWING THAT TURF BLOCKS WAS NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR DOWN THE LIST.

SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO EITHER CHANGE OR THINK HARD OR KICK IT BACK ON THAT STOP COMMITTEE REPORT SO THAT TURF BLOCKS IS [INAUDIBLE] PUSHED ASIDE SOMEHOW OR A BETTER LISTING OF THOSE TOP THREE KIND OF PERMEABLE PAVERS.

SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO, RATHER THAN JUST APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IS GOING TO BE INADEQUATE.

THE OTHER THING IN THAT REPORT IS IT TALKS ABOUT DEMARCATION BY PAINTED LINES AND CURVES.

HOLY COW. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK GOOD ABOUT PAINTING THE CURVES AND PAINTING LINES ON THE STREETS AND PAINTING NO PARKING, LIKE WHAT WAS HAPPENED ON FIRST STREET AND 10TH STREET.

WELL, I WOULD LOVE AND YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH OF YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS TALK BAD ABOUT.

WE DON'T WANT THE STREETS PAINTED.

UTILIZE A SIGN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

NOW, WHAT'S REALLY NEEDED IN MY LAST 35 SECONDS HERE IS WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM OF ON STREET PARKING IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH FROM FIRST STREET TO 8TH STREET THAT GOES ALMOST TO PLAZA, BUT FROM BEACH AVENUE TO CHERRY DRIVE HERE, IT'S OVERFLOWING AND HAS BEEN OVERFLOWING FROM BEACHES TOWN CENTER ON THE FIRST STREET. IT'S NOW COME ON TO SECOND STREET.

JUST RECENTLY, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE GOT UP TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND STREET PARKING PROBLEM, AND NEXT WEEK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THIRD STREET.

SO SECTION 21-17 THAT PROHIBITS PARKING REALLY OUGHT TO BE ADDED TO PROHIBIT PARKING FROM FIRST TO EIGHTH STREET ON THE STREET, NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THE STREET AND THAT WOULD SOLVE MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HARROLL. THAT'S IT.

WOULD ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT SIGNED IN LIKE TO SPEAK? HEARING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM THREE.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS ]

KILLINGSWORTH, CITY MANAGER.

BEFORE YOU IS THE JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST 90 DAY CALENDAR.

I'LL POINT OUT A COUPLE ITEMS ON IT.

SO ON THE 29TH, WE HAVE OUR MOVIES IN THE PARK.

THAT BOLE PARK, WHICH I PLAN ON BEING AT THE THIRD.

I'LL COME BACK TO JULY 3RD.

THE FOURTH IS A 4TH OF JULY.

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ON JULY 8TH, WE HAVE OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP.

I EXPECT TO HAVE THE MATERIALS BY FIRST CUT OF THE MATERIALS BY THE 28TH OF JUNE AND THEN POWERPOINT PRESENTATION MADE AND READY TO GO THE 1ST OR 2ND OF JULY, WHICH REALLY LEAVES THE 3RD AND 4TH, IF YOU'D LIKE ONE ON ONE MEETINGS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST LET ME KNOW YOUR AVAILABILITY.

YOU CAN JUST TEXT ME AND THEN I'LL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.

SO WE HAVE ON THE EIGHTH THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN ON THE 22ND, WE HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP SCHEDULED AT 5:30 AND THEN THERE'S A TOWN HALL ON THE 27TH.

THE CONSULTANT CANNOT ATTEND.

APPARENTLY HIS HOME BOSS HAS SOMETHING SCHEDULED THAT HE CANNOT GET OUT OF, BUT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO DISCUSS STORM WATER LARGELY, I THINK PERVIOUS SURFACES AND WHAT CAN BE ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT LEVEL OF CREDITS MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE.

IN AUGUST. WE HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP SCHEDULED FOR THE 12TH AND THEN ON THE 24TH, WE HAVE A SUMMER BEACH MOVIE AT THE PARK. THAT'S JOHANSEN THIS TIME.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGES? I'M SORRY. WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MEETING YOU BEFORE? THE THIRD OR THE FIFTH.

WE HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP SCHEDULED ON THE EIGHTH FOR 5:30 TO.

SO I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN ONE ON ONE AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WITH YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND I THINK THE EARLIEST REALLY WOULD BE THE THIRD OR THE FIFTH IS AWKWARD.

I KNOW IT'S THE DAY AFTER THE FOURTH, BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT THAT DAY, THEN I'LL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.

I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. I'M GONE THAT WEEK.

THAT WHOLE WEEK? YES.

I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. WEEK HOLIDAY.

THEY ARE TOUGH.

MAKES TWO MONDAYS IN ONE WEEK.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO APPROVE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? YES. ALRIGHT. THERE YOU HAVE IT.

MR. CITY MANAGER, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I COMPLETELY NEGLECTED TO IDENTIFY.

IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT FACE ON THE DAIS TODAY.

SO JASON GABRIEL IS OUT ON ASSIGNMENT.

BUT HIS BACKUP, SCOTT THOMAS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE SO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

YEAH. BACK TO YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ITEM 3B IS A PROPOSED TENNIS INSTRUCTOR REGULATIONS.

SO THE REASON THESE ARE BEFORE US IS THE COMMISSION CHALLENGED US TO COME UP WITH A POLICIES AND RISK MITIGATION PRINCIPALLY FOR OUR PARKS BUT ALL CITY PROPERTIES AND THIS IS THE FIRST OF WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE MANY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR ACTIVITIES, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE IN OUR PARKS. WE WERE FORTUNATE IN THAT THE AT LEAST TWO OF THE TENNIS PROS WORKED WITH THE ART COMMITTEE TO HELP FORMULATE THIS, ALONG WITH INPUT FROM THE CITY AND I'LL LET KEVIN COME UP AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS AND AND THE OUTCOMES.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

INDEED. YOUR STAFF IS FULLY IN THE POSTURE OF CLOSING POLICY GAPS IN THIS ORGANIZATION AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS ALREADY.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN AND ALONG THAT LINE, ON JUNE THE 11TH THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY ADOPT THE TENNIS INSTRUCTOR REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.

THIS DECISION FOLLOWED EXTENSIVE REVIEW BY THE COMMITTEE AND CONSIDERED INPUT BY INSTRUCTORS AND PLAYERS THAT, FRANKLY, DATE BACK MANY YEARS.

THERE WAS A MEETING IN THIS ROOM A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS THE LATEST OF A DECADE OF CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT ONCE AND FOR ALL THE CITY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE THE RULES? THERE WEREN'T ANY AND SO NOW WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE RULES.

THE COMMITTEE AS AND THE STAFF SUPPORTS THIS RECOMMENDATION.

SO THE REASONS TO FIRST AND FOREMOST, PROTECT THE CITY'S ASSETS, A LIABILITY INSURANCE REQUIREMENT AND THE REGULATIONS PROTECTS THE CITY FROM FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IN CASE OF ACCIDENTS DURING LESSONS.

THERE ARE OTHER REASONS TO PROTECT STUDENTS SAFETY AND INJURY PREVENTION BY HAVING PROPER INSTRUCTION, PROMOTING QUALIFIED INSTRUCTORS AND CONSUMER CONFIDENCE.

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ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF REGISTRATION IS ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP AND AN ASSOCIATION OF TENNIS TEACHING PROFESSIONALS AND ANOTHER IS PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE SATISFACTORY TO THE CITY'S RISK MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES? MANY OF THESE MEMBERSHIPS IN A PROFESSIONAL TEACHES PROFESSIONAL TEACHING ASSOCIATION COME WITH INSURANCE.

SO, A LOT OF THEM WILL CHECK THAT BOX JUST BY BEING A MEMBER OF AN ASSOCIATION.

PROFESSIONALS WHO CHARGE FOR INSTRUCTIONS MUST HOLD A, MUST SIGN A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

MUST HAVE THEIR STUDENTS SIGN HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS AT RUSSELL PARK, WHERE THERE ARE SIX COURTS.

WHEN THE COURTS ARE FULL INSTRUCTORS MAY USE A COURT NO LONGER THAN 90 MINUTES.

IF PLAYERS OR INSTRUCTORS ARE WAITING AT BULL PARK.

INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTORS REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF FOUR PLAYERS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE COURT THERE.

IN ADDITION TO THE INSTRUCTOR, AND INSTRUCTORS MAY USE BALL PARK COURT THAT COURT FOR MAXIMUM OF 90 MINUTES IN A SINGLE DAY.

REGISTRATION DOES NOT GUARANTEE COURT AVAILABILITY.

JUST AS IS THE CASE NOW, THE PUBLIC COURTS ARE AVAILABLE ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS AND LESSONS AND CLINICS MUST BE PROVIDED ON COURTS 4, 5 AND 6 AT RUSSELL PARK.

WE'LL ALONG THE WAY, OBVIOUSLY GET PLENTY OF FEEDBACK.

YOU CAN BET AND WE'LL CONSIDER REVIEWING THESE REGULATIONS ALONG THE WAY.

WE FULLY ANTICIPATE THE POTENTIAL TWEAKING THEM AND POTENTIALLY ADDING PICKLEBALL REGULATIONS FOR PICKLEBALL IF THAT NEED ARISES.

CURRENTLY, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF PICKLEBALL INSTRUCTION AT DONNER PARK.

I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER.

SO WE GOT A LOT OF PAPERWORK.

NOW, WHO'S TRACKING THAT? THAT WILL BE THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. SO THEY HAVE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE FOR TRACKING THE QUARTERLY PAYMENTS AND THE STUDENT.

YES. COMMISSIONER. AND THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR FOR NUMBER FOUR, IT SAYS WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING.

SO WHEN DOES THE 90 MINUTES START? WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE AND START WAITING, OR IS THAT THEIR TOTAL COURT TIME FOR THAT DAY? AT RUSSELL PARK, IT STARTS A 90 MINUTE START.

WHEN THE INSTRUCTORS ARRIVE.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEGISLATE PEOPLE GETTING ALONG JUST LIKE WE CAN'T NOW AND THERE'S THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE AS IT IS NOW TO BE AN ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF AN ISSUE ONCE WE ROLL WITH THIS, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT BY GOLLY, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR JOBS AND HAVE SOME REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

SO JUST THE WAY THAT'S WORDED, YOU KNOW, OH, PEOPLE JUST GOT HERE SO WE CAN PLAY FOR 90 MINUTES MORE.

SO MAYBE JUST ADD YOUR WORD TOTAL IN THERE OR YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR START TIME.

I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT MAY I SUGGEST IT REALLY SHOULD BE FROM THE MINUTE THAT THEY TAKE POSSESSION OF THE COURT SO THEY COULD ARRIVE AND BE THERE WAITING FOR THE COURT THEMSELVES FOR TEN MINUTES, BUT ONCE THEY STEP FOOT ON THAT COURT, THEY SHOULD HAVE NO MORE THAN 90 MINUTES.

DOESN'T THAT I AGREE? ARE Y'ALL SAYING THE SAME THING, I THINK? YES. YEAH. GOOD.

BE THERE AND WARM UP FOR HALF AN HOUR.

RIGHT? YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT.

THIS IS WHOLLY APPROPRIATE AND I HAVE A FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY TEACHING TENNIS PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL, RIGHT? AT LEAST A HANDFUL WHO REGULARLY USE OUR COURTS.

SO JUST CURIOUS, WERE THEY CONSULTED OR HAVE THEY BEEN HAS THIS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM, AND ARE THEY AWARE OF THE 225 PER QUARTER FEE? SOME ARE THE MOST ENGAGED WITH THE CITY ARE AWARE, THE ONES WE SEE THE MOST, FRANKLY THE AS FAR AS VETTING THIS, THESE REGULATIONS THAT CONTINUES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.

SO THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT FROM, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING THEM.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE AN EMAIL LIST OF INSTRUCTORS THAT WILL GET THESE INSTRUCTIONS WHEN

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WELL, I JUST FOR MYSELF, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF AND ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, BUT IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO SINGLE OUT COMMISSIONER BOLE.

THIS IS YOUR INITIATIVE.

YOU HAVE BEEN STAUNCH ABOUT RISK.

WHAT DO WE CALL THAT? RISK MITIGATION FOR THE CITY.

IT'S JUST APPROPRIATE IN THIS DAY AND TIME, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IF THE TENNIS PROFESSIONALS REALLY WANT TO TEACH TENNIS IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THAT THIS WOULD BE THAT IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH.

SO THANKS FOR GETTING THIS DONE.

THANK YOU. BRUCE. HEY, KEVIN.

ONE IDEA.

WHY DON'T WE PUT A LITTLE NOTICE OVER THERE AND INVITE THEM TO OUR TOWN HALL? YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO COME, YOU KNOW, AND GLADLY.

WE IF WE DO THAT.

AS FAR AS THE TIMING PERHAPS WE'LL HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA AGAIN AFTER THE TOWN HALL.

IF WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST GET THE WORD OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF EVERY TENNIS INSTRUCTOR, SO I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

TOWN HALL MEETING. THIS HAS BEEN AT WORK FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE I REMEMBER IN PREVIOUS YEARS THAT THE REC DEPARTMENT WAS CHARGED FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED IN WRITING, AND IT WAS KIND OF TENTATIVE AND SORT OF UNFORMED.

SO NOW WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION OF HOW WE GOT HERE.

YES. I'VE ARE THERE.

I'M NOT A TENNIS PLAYER THERE. TENNIS.

DOES JARBOE HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND JAX BEACH HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND DO THEY IF THEY DO, DO THEY HAVE TEACHERS THERE? ARE REGULATED? LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN DOING? I DON'T KNOW IF JARBOE DOES HAVE TENNIS COURTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH REGULATES AT YOU CAN BET AT JACKSONVILLE BEACH, ACTUALLY HUGUENOT TENNIS COURTS OR WHAT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS HUGUENOT. THEY ON STAFF.

THEY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THERE.

THEY HAVE ON SITE TENNIS PRO WHO WORKS WITH THE CITY TO PROVIDE LESSONS AND LEAD LEAGUE PLAY AND MANAGE THE COURTS.

YOU KNOW, EVERY HOUR THERE, OVER HALF STAFF.

WE NEED TO GET CAUGHT UP THEN.

OKAY. THANKS.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HOGENCAMP. YOU MAY WANT TO STAY.

I THINK THE NEXT ITEM HAS YOUR NAME ALL OVER IT, TOO, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO.

OH. IS IT? AMANDA'S DOING THIS ONE.

OKAY, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT.

AMANDA, PLEASE JOIN US.

SO THIS WOULD BE ITEM 3 C COMMUNITY CENTER SURVEY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.

AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED 100 WEST FIRST STREET AND LOOKING AT THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AT THE CENTERS, WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR REPURPOSING AND BUDGETING.

SO WE HERE WE GO.

WE REACHED OUT VIA SURVEY.

WE RAN A SURVEY FOR ABOUT TEN WEEKS.

WE GOT A 201 RESPONSES, AND WE HAD 12 QUESTIONS IN THE SURVEY.

SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS, AND SOME OF THOSE WERE ALMOST MULTIPLE CHOICE AND OR RANKING OF THE QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST QUESTION ASKED BASICALLY WHERE YOU'RE FROM IN THE CITY.

YOU CAN SEE OVERALL RESULTS.

WE HAD A REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE CITY OVER ALMOST OVER 20% IN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR 312.

BUT IT SHOWED UP STRONG WITH 18.4%.

WE DID HAVE 4.65% OF THE FOLKS WHO RESPONDED SAYING THAT THEY WERE JUST BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE CITY, BUT USED OUR FACILITIES.

WE ASKED THE QUESTION WHERE WHAT NEW OR EXPANDED PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THESE CENTERS? YOU CAN SEE STATISTICALLY, AGAIN VERY CLOSE RESPONSES.

THE, HIGHEST RANKED, THERE WERE ADULTS AND THIS CATEGORY IS ADULTS, BUT NOT SENIORS.

SO ACTIVE ADULTS.

ADULTS UNDER THE AGE OF 65 AND THEN CHILDREN AND SENIORS AND THEN TEENAGERS CAME IN THERE STRONG.

SO WE DID HAVE A KIND OF AN EQUAL REPRESENTATION OF SERVICES ACROSS THE BOARD THERE, LOOKING TO BE FILLED AT OUR CENTERS.

THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE CLEAR WINNER.

THIS QUESTION ASKED, WHAT USES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE AT THE 100 WEST FIRST STREET BUILDING SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE WE HAVE A VARIETY OF USES, BUT THE TOP THREE WERE RESPONSES WERE ACTIVE ADULT, WHICH WAS YOUNGER THAN SENIOR, AN ART GALLERY AND A FITNESS CENTER. AGAIN, STATISTICALLY A LOT OF THE ANSWERS WERE VERY SIMILAR.

SO I THINK IT COULD BE USED FOR MULTIPLE MULTIPLE USES THAT ARE LISTED THERE.

THE NEXT QUESTION ASKS ABOUT IF THE CENTER TURNS 100 WEST FIRST STREET TURNS OUT TO BE COST PROHIBITED.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE INSTEAD?

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AGAIN STATISTICALLY THERE ARE VERY SIMILAR RESULTS IN SOME OF THE ANSWERS THERE.

RANKING WISE QUESTION FIVE ASK ABOUT POTENTIAL USES.

FOR 100 WEST FIRST STREET.

WHAT TYPE OF USES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE BUILDING? THE TOP THREE RESPONSES AND THE TOP TWO ARE VERY SIMILAR.

MULTI-PURPOSE COMMUNITY CENTER WITH CLASSES.

THIS WAS BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING, BUT THE SECOND RESPONSE WAS DO NOT PURCHASE AND OR JUST TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN AT 23%.

AND THEN VETERAN SERVICES CAME IN AT 8%.

WE ALSO INQUIRED ABOUT HOW TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE WITH OUR SERVICES.

THE TOP RESULTS THERE WERE MAKE THEM FREE TO USE AND PROVIDE A VARIETY OF SERVICE AND PROGRAMS FOR OUR CITIZENS.

THE NEXT QUESTION. THERE WERE MULTIPLE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS WHAT EXISTING NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS OR PROGRAMS CAN THE CITY USE TO COLLABORATE TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER OFFERINGS? THE FIRST AGAIN CAME UP KIND OF A LOWER PERCENTAGE BEAM AND TWO HABITAT.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF ONE OFF ANSWERS.

NOT THAT ANY OF THE ANSWERS ARE BAD, BUT THESE WERE JUST THE TWO THAT ROSE TO THE TOP.

WE ALSO ASKED THE QUESTION AND POLLED THE COMMUNITY, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS AND RESERVATIONS ABOUT OPENING A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER? THE TOP RESPONSE WAS THE COST, BUDGET AND STAFF AND THEN THE SECOND RESPONSE, WHICH IS SIMILARLY RELATED TO THAT FIRST ONE, WOULD BE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDINGS.

WE ASK THE QUESTION WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE USES AT THE GAIL BAKER COMMUNITY CENTER? AND AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE STATISTICALLY, THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR.

THE HIGHEST RANKING WAS SATURDAY MORNING ACTIVITIES.

THE SECOND WAS THE COMMUNITY USE OF MULTI PURPOSE ROOMS THERE.

THE THIRD IS SENIOR ACTIVITIES AND THE FOURTH IS ACTIVE ADULT.

AGAIN A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS DID NOT HAVE ONE OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR ANSWER, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SIMILAR IDEAS FOR USES IN THESE BUILDINGS.

POTENTIAL USES FOR THE GAIL BAKER CENTER WAS THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED AND THE TOP ANSWER WAS 20% WITH CLASSES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SURPRISINGLY, WE HAD TWO TIED AT THE SECOND AND THIRD OR SECOND PLACE, WHICH WAS CONCERT MUSIC VENUE AND A MULTI-PURPOSE SPACE AND THEN WE HAD TWO TIE FOR THE THIRD PLACE, WHICH WOULD BE CLASSES, TUTORS FOR KIDS AND TEENS AND YOUNG ADULTS AND THAT AGAIN, IS FOR THE GAIL BAKER CENTER.

THE LAST QUESTION THAT WE ASK WAS FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

AGAIN, THIS WAS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION.

SO I TRIED TO LUMP THEM TOGETHER AND I THINK I MIGHT HAVE HAD A CUT AND PASTE ERROR THERE.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CLASSES FROM THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW WE HAVE ALL THE RESPONSES VIA SURVEY MONKEY THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU.

JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THAT SHOWED UP HERE DIDN'T MEAN ON THE WRITTEN RESPONSE THAT IT WAS A BAD RESPONSE.

IT WAS IN MY IDEA.

WE HAD THIS REALLY NEAT FARMER'S MARKET AND NIGHT OUT WITH FOOD TRUCKS AT SOME OF OUR CENTERS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD ONE PERSON WRITE IN.

SO I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF USES FOR OUR BUILDINGS.

THAT WILL HIT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR.

COOL. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU AMANDA. THAT WAS COMPREHENSIVE AND IT GIVES US A STARTING REFERENCE POINT.

THAT'S GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR AMANDA? OKAY. THANKS.

ALL RIGHT LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 4.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

MR. COMMISSIONER. WATERS.

CAN YOU START US OFF, PLEASE? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU, TO MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER RING. YES, I MY QUESTION WAS FOR JASON, BUT HE'S NOT HERE.

I FIGURED I'LL ASK ANYWAY AND IF CITY MANAGER COULD ANSWER THAT.

WHERE ARE WE ON OUR RECORDS? REQUEST FOR DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THAT WAS SIX WEEKS AGO.

I BELIEVE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS NEED TO BE FULFILLED, OR AT LEAST REPLIED TO IN 30 DAYS.

WE'RE WELL PAST THAT.

SO I GOT AFTER MY SECOND REQUEST FOR A STATUS UPDATE ON THE INITIAL REQUEST, I THINK I SENT THE INITIAL REQUEST MAY 17TH AND THEN A BACKUP REQUEST ON THE 31ST AND THEN A THIRD REQUEST LAST FRIDAY AT 3:00 TODAY, I GOT A RESPONSE WHICH BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD BY TOMORROW GIVE US WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO GET THE BECAUSE THEY CAN CHARGE US FOR DOCUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE

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OKAY. SO THANK YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. YES, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

I READ THE RENAMING THE PARK PLAN.

ONE THING I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS IF, IN FACT, WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD BUT THE COST IS.

AND YOU. THOSE SIGNS ARE NOT CHEAP, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HERITAGE IN THE ONE SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO IT'S A DOG.

I KNOW WHAT IT IS.

BUT. SO ANYWAY, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS.

NUMBER TWO WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE I KNOW YOU TALKED TO SOME CITIZENS ABOUT WIDENING THE ROAD FOR OUR THAT WE WANT TO INSTALL TO BRIEF ME ON WHAT WE THOUGHT OF THAT.

YEAH. SO THAT PROJECT CURRENTLY THE COMMISSION VOTED IT DOWN.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IT IN THE CIP FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

IT'S THE GENERATOR IS GRANT FUNDED, SO WE'RE.

YEAH. SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE GENERATOR.

WE CANNOT. IT IS DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE GENERATOR BECAUSE THE GENERATOR LOCATION IS PART OF THE GRANT CYCLE APPLICATION AND WE'RE SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD THAT STEVE TELLS ME IF WE TRY TO CHANGE IT, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE'LL LOSE IT.

SO THE PLAN ONCE WE'RE AWARDED THE GRANT, IS TO GO AHEAD AND PLACE THE GENERATOR THERE AND UTILIZE IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY AND IF WE CAN'T SERVICE IT IN THE EVENT OF A STORM IF IT GOES DOWN OR RUNS OUT OF GAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE'RE STILL AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND IF WE CAN SERVICE IT, THEN WE CAN.

MAYBE WE COULD GET STEVE NEXT TIME OR TIME TO TELL US HOW THAT DEGRADES US.

YOU KNOW WHERE THAT PUTS US.

YOU KNOW, BY NOT HAVING THAT, I YOU KNOW, I'M A PROPONENT OF THAT.

I VOTED FOR THAT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT DEGRADES THE OVERALL YOU KNOW, BIG PICTURE AS FAR AS FLOODING, ETC..

SO THANKS.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. COMMISSIONER KELLY SAID A COUPLE THINGS.

I HEARD PEOPLE FUSSING THAT THE THE SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTS WERE ON AGAIN AND THAT'S BECAUSE MAYPORT.

I MEAN ABE IS SPONSORING SOME SUMMER SCHOOL CLASSES, SO IT'S LEGIT.

YOU DO HAVE TO SLOW DOWN.

I GOT MY PROBABLY THE LAST ONE.

I FINALLY GOT CONVERTED TO THE NEW EMAIL, AND I DON'T I'M WONDERING HOW WE REPORT JUNK MAIL ON THERE.

WE'VE ALL JUST GOT ONE, I THINK, FROM SOME GUY IN CHINA SELLING PARTS, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE USED TO BE ABLE TO REPORT IT AND SAY MAKE THIS ONE GO AWAY.

SO ANY GUIDANCE ON THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND THE LAST THING I HAD WAS AND I JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. HARRELL SAID, IT'S HARD.

I WAS I WENT ON THE WEBSITE LOOKING FOR THE CIP, WHICH I KNEW WE HAVE SOMEWHERE, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT EVEN AFTER CLICKING MORE THAN SIX TIMES. SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO RESURFACE SOMEWHERE.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

I HAVE TWO THINGS.

I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE AN ANSWER ON THIS TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER.

THE THE GOVERNOR VETOED OUR OUR BUDGETARY REQUESTS, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO REPLACE SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND I BELIEVE MR. SWANN IS APPLIED FOR A WATER QUALITY GRANT.

AND, I DON'T KNOW MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ON THAT, OR MAYBE MR. HOGENCAMP KNOWS SOMETHING.

NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE STATUS ON THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE SEPTIC SYSTEMS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, BUT WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA THAN WE DO IN THE CITY.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY IS IN A BAD PLACE, BUT THE SERVICE AREA HAS QUITE A FEW IN IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT RETIRED.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? NO, I'M GOING TO HOLD THAT FOR THE END AND SO I'M GOOD.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO.

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. I'M JUST GOING TO READ THE THE ITEMS. LET'S SEE. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE ITEM 6A AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 33,441 AND $0.35 FOR GUARDIAN FUELING

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NUMBER ONE. ITEM SIX B APPROVE THE SCHEDULE OF SEVEN ADDITIONAL STREETS TO BE RESURFACED IN THE 2024 MILLING AND PAVING PROJECT, AT A COST OF 139,154 AND $0.77.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. OKAY WE'LL GIVE THE SECOND COMMISSIONER BOLE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I OPPOSED.

THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

MOVING ALONG TO WE OKAY TO ITEM 8, ACTION ON RESOLUTIONS.

[8.A. Resolution No. 24-31]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ACCEPTING THE JUNE 10TH, 2024 REPORT OF THE SAFETY, TRAFFIC AND PARKING COMMITTEE AND DIRECTING STAFF TO DRAFT POLICIES, RESOLUTIONS AND OR ORDINANCES FOR CITY COMMISSION CONSIDERATION.

MOVING THE SAFETY, TRAFFIC AND PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A RESOLUTION THAT TRACKS THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF STOP WERE BASICALLY FOLLOWING KIND OF A SIMILAR TEMPLATE THAT WE DID WITH THE CHARTER IS THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU THE LIST OF POLICIES, AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE THEM FORWARD.

YOU CAN DELETE OR ADD OR AMEND ANY ONE OF THEM AND THEN THE END RESULT WILL BE THAT YOU DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCES TO IMPLEMENT.

OKAY. DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION FIRST TO PROVE.

THEN I'LL OPEN UP TO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-31.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, COMMISSIONER, I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DONE YET.

YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COMMISSIONER KELLY IS INVOLVED IS THE ELECTRIC DEVICE ISSUE.

I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.

YEAH. I THINK I MENTIONED I GO NEPTUNE.

THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE POSTED SIGNS THAT TELL YOU THE RULES OF ELECTRIC BIKE, HOW FAST YOU CAN GO, WHAT YOUR CLASSES AND LITTLE BLUE SIGNS ABOUT THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, AND IF NOTHING ELSE, IT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, APPARENT THAT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AND I KNOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS GOT AN ISSUE WITH THE GOVERNOR, BUT THEY SO WHAT THIS IS SAYING WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

RIGHT AND THEN WHEN WE GET FURTHER POLICIES INFORMATION, YOU'LL BRING THAT FORWARD.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES THERE THE MAYOR OF COMMISSIONER BOLE.

SO THE STOCK COMMITTEE'S WORK WAS KIND OF BIFURCATED INTO PARKING ISSUES AND THEN TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION SAFETY ISSUES.

SO THIS IS THE RESPONSE TO THE PARKING ISSUES AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THE SAFETY AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, WE'LL BRING SOMETHING SIMILAR.

THANKS. OKAY.

OTHER COMMENTS I HAVE QUESTIONS AND HONESTLY, MR. BRINKLEY, JUST OR MR. HARROLL JUST BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE TURF BLOCKING.

IF WE APPROVE THIS ALL TONIGHT CAN WE COME BACK? IS THERE FLUID, YOU KNOW, ANY FLUIDITY THROUGHOUT IT? BECAUSE THERE'S NUANCES OF THINGS AS A WHOLE.

IT'S GOOD. IT MAKES AND IT'S VERY THOROUGH.

BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP.

ONE, THE TURF BLOCKING DEMARCATION OF THE STREETS.

I'VE HEARD MIXED REVIEWS.

I MEAN FROM.

YES, WE WANT THE PAINTING TO.

NO, WE'D RATHER HAVE SIGNS.

BUT ONE THING IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT I HEAR FROM EVERYONE IS ENFORCEMENT IS THE ISSUE.

SO EVEN IF WE GO IN AND WE ADOPT THIS AS IT'S WRITTEN AND THEY GO IN AND PAINT THE SIGNS, PEOPLE WILL STILL PARK THERE.

IN FACT, I DROVE DOWN FIRST STREET WHERE THEY HAVE THE PAINTING.

PEOPLE WERE PARKED WHERE IT SAID NO PARKING.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT THEN THIS IS A MOOT POINT, BUT WE'RE NOT ADOPTING ANYTHING TONIGHT.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT ADOPTING IT. BUT HE JUST MADE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS.

NO, WE ADOPT THIS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH POLICIES AND SO BUT THE RESOLUTION IS DIRECTING STAFF TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE AND POLICIES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

SO FOR INSTANCE, I HEARD THE TURF BLOCK AND I THINK THAT A MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THAT, THOUGH THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE DID SAY WAS TURF BLOCK PARKING SYSTEM, PERHAPS A PERVIOUS PARKING SYSTEM, AND NOT DEFINE WHAT THE MATERIAL IS AND I'D LIKE IF I MAY COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. SOME OF THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE ORDINANCE.

SOME OF IT WILL SIMPLY BE THE CITY MANAGER DOING WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES AND THAT IS CREATING POLICY AND I THINK YOU AND I WERE HAVING THIS

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SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE NOT WRITE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL ORDINANCE THAT THEN CREATES A PROBLEM, AN UNINTENDED UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

SO THERE THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED A LOT MORE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING ACTIONABLE IN A FUTURE MEETING.

I HOPE THE NEXT MEETING MAYBE NOT THAT QUICK, BUT SOON, QUICK.

BUT I'LL LET YOU FINISH AND THEN I HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS ON THIS.

YEAH. SO WE HAVE ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT AREN'T BEING ENFORCED.

LIKE FOR ONE, PARKING THE WRONG WAY ON A STREET OR PARKING TOO CLOSE TO THE STOP SIGN, YOU KNOW, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS IS MORE POLICY OR MAYBE CLEARER POLICY AND POSSIBLY MORE ORDINANCES.

BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A POINT I NEED TO MAKE TONIGHT.

I HEAR YOU.

YES, COMMISSIONER.

THERE'S SOME MAJOR POLICY ISSUES IN HERE AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE LANDSCAPING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND BLOCKING THINGS AND WE HAVE NEVER TO THIS POINT HAD THE THE POLITICAL WILL TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU GUYS MOVE ALL THAT STUFF AND THE PART OF THE TOWN THAT I REPRESENT, OKAY, WE'RE PROBABLY THE MOST EGREGIOUS EXAMPLES OF THAT, BUT THIS STUFF HAS BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND FOR US TO SUDDENLY DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR POLITICAL ATTENTION ON MOVING BOULDERS AND BUSHES IN THE FACE OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, MORE INTIMATE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE FORCES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL.

YES. COMMISSIONER NOT SURE WHERE THE POLITICAL TERM COMES FROM WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT'S THIS IS TRULY JUST ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME ORDER BECAUSE IT IS CHAOS WHEN THE WEEKEND COMES, EVEN DURING THE WEEK, IT'S CHAOS.

THEY'RE PARKING EVERYWHERE AND ALL.

YES, ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

IT ALWAYS ISN'T BECAUSE WE'RE JUST WE'RE OVERWHELMED WITH IT NOW.

BUT ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AT THIS POINT, THIS PARTICULAR POINT RIGHT HERE, IT'S JUST SAY, LOOK, WE GOT TO HAVE SOME DEMARCATION.

WE GOT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DEMARCATION.

I DON'T WANT NO PARKING PAINTED ON A SPOT.

I JUST WANT SOME DEMARCATION FOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN PARK AND IF YOU ARE PARKED ELSEWHERE, IF WE CATCH YOU, SORRY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TICKET.

I CAN BE LIKE, LOOK AT THE FARMER'S MARKET ON ON SUNDAY.

THERE'S 30 ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF PLAZA WHERE IT SAYS NO PARKING.

I DON'T SEE TICKETS THERE, SO THERE'S SOME LENIENCY THERE AND I THINK THERE'S LENIENCY IN THESE PLACES THAT HAVE HAD LANDSCAPING FOR 20 YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S GOOD IS GOOD IF IT'S BEEN SAFE FOR 20 YEARS.

OKAY. I YOU KNOW, I THINK MAJORITY OF THIS IS JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME ORDER TO THE PARKING SITUATION AND NOT HAVE IT BE A SAFETY ISSUE LIKE IT'S BECOMING WHEN PEOPLE AT THAT FARMERS MARKET, THEY'RE GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, EAST ON PLAZA AND LITTLE KIDS OR CARS BACKING OUT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS BE A SAFETY ISSUE AND THAT'S AND IT DOES, YOU KNOW.

YES. THIS HAS BEEN AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON THIS STOP COMMITTEE FOR MONTHS AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE MORE.

BUT I KNOW WHEN YOU DEAL WITH ALL THESE DISTRICTS, ATLANTIC BEACH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT.

SOME DON'T LIKE SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING ON THE BEACH, ON THEIR STREET, ON THIRD STREET.

OTHER PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PARK IN, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR STREET.

SO IT'S JUST.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT.

COMMISSIONER BOLE.

YEAH AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE ORDINANCE POINT, I'D LIKE CHIEF TO COME UP AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING THAT IT'S ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING FLIERS ON WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, WALKING AND GIVING WARNINGS, BUT THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO ENFORCE IT.

SO WE'LL NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM AS WE GO THROUGH HERE.

THIS IS A PRIORITY OR NOT A PRIORITY BECAUSE WE HAVE FINITE RESOURCES.

YEP. YES.

SO IN TERMS OF PARKING THE WRONG WAY, I'VE INSTRUCTED CHIEF VIC TO START GIVING WARNING TICKETS FOR THAT.

SO WE'RE STARTING TO AT LEAST EDUCATE THE PUBLIC THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.

SO THERE'S SO MUCH TO UNPACK.

I'VE HEARD A LOT HERE, BUT AT LEAST YOU ALL ARE STUDYING IT AGAIN.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT'S WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE LEGISLATED IS LEGISLATED, AND WHAT DOESN'T NEEDS TO BE POLICY SET BY OUR CITY

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OKAY. SO IF WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT THE LAST TIME, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS I THINK BILL GAVE IS INSTEAD OF PAINTING A BIG RECTANGLE FOR EACH CAR, YOU PAINT THE CORNERS JUST A LITTLE WHITE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT'S THE PARKING SPOT.

SOME SIGNAGE WILL HAVE TO BE USED.

HOPEFULLY WE WON'T NEED A LOT OF YELLOW PAINT ON CURBS AND BY THE WAY, SO MANY OF OUR OLDER CITY STREETS DON'T HAVE CURBS IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PAINT THE YELLOW IN THE GRASS OR WHEREVER, BUT A LOT TO COME ON THIS.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT CITY MANAGER YOU KNOW, WITH ALL HASTE, MOVE FORWARD ON ON GETTING SOMETHING GOING ON THIS AND I DO AGREE.

MR. COMMISSIONER BOLE.

WE NEED TO HAVE CHIEF VICK SPEAKING ON EACH OF THESE LITTLE ITERATIONS SO THAT WE'RE IN SYNC WITH WHAT'S ENFORCEABLE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS TO US.

I CAN HAVE KEVIN COME UP.

THERE IS A CORRECTED OKAY, COPY OF THE RESOLUTION.

THERE'S A SMALL TYPO IN THERE THAT MANAGED TO FIND ITS WAY.

HI. KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

SMALL TYPO IS A VERY GENEROUS OR LIBERAL TERM.

THERE'S IF YOU'LL GO TO PAGE FOUR, PLEASE, OF THE RESOLUTION.

AT THE BOTTOM NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THOSE FOUR SECTIONS ARE CORRECTED TO REFLECT THAT THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF THE STAFF COMMITTEE AND NOT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THANK YOU AND IT'S SIMPLE YET NOT SMALL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BLAME IT ON THEM. THANK YOU.

IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO CHIME IN ON THIS OR AT LEAST HOPEFULLY HAVE CONSENSUS.

ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT I RECALL CAME OUT OF THE STOP COMMITTEE WAS ENSURING THAT WE ADHERE TO A 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM STOP SIGNS WHEN PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OFF PAVEMENT.

SO WE KNOW THAT THE FLORIDA STATUTES SAY, 30FT FROM A STOP SIGN WHEN YOU'RE ON THE PAVEMENT.

BUT THE WAY IT'S WORDED, WE DON'T YET KNOW HOW IT'S WORDED.

OKAY. SO WHEN WE GET AN ORDINANCE ON THAT, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND I'M ASKING FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO TO USE YOUR DILIGENCE AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDING.

I REALLY THINK INSTEAD OF SAYING SOMETHING LIKE, FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE, BECAUSE FLORIDA STATUTES ONLY DEALING WITH THE 30FT ON THE PAVEMENT, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT, SAY 30FT BACK FROM A STOP SIGN OR NO CLOSER THAN 30FT FOR TO A STOP SIGN WHEN PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND SO THAT'S A BIG ONE, MANY OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE SAID THAT, AND I'LL PUNCTUATE IT AND LEAVE IT HERE.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PARKING IN THIS CITY AND AS WE START TO UTILIZE TURF BLOCK OR EVEN PERMEABLE PAVERS IT'LL BECOME SO CLEAR.

WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY WITH BEAUTIFUL PARKING.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO PARK ALL THESE CARS RIGHT ON TOP OF A STOP SIGN.

THE FINAL POINT ON THAT IS WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN OKAY 30 YEARS AGO WITH REGULAR CARS HAS CHANGED.

THE TRUCKS, THE CAMPER SIZED ROOFS ON THESE VANS AND SO ON.

YOU CANNOT SEE STOP SIGNS ON APPROACH WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKED RIGHT UP AGAINST THEM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THAT'S JUST MY ASK, IS THAT WE HOLD TRUE TO THAT TO STOP COMMITTEE.

DID REQUEST THAT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE MIGHT NEED AN AMENDMENT TO THE OH, TO THE HANDOUT.

I'M SORRY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST, THEN.

PROCEDURALLY, ARE WE OKAY, SCOTT? WE'LL JUST I THINK I THINK THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

YOU'VE HAD A MOTION THAT REFERENCES THE ORDINANCE BY NAME.

YOU'VE IDENTIFIED NOW THAT THERE IS A I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO AMEND IT BECAUSE.

NO, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE.

OKAY, THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

THERE'S NO SUNSHINE PROBLEM.

I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

SO MAYBE IF WHO MADE THE MOTION I DID.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY MOTION OR AN ADJUSTMENT TO YOUR MOTION? YEAH AS AMENDED.

RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 24-31 WITH THE NOTED CHANGES ON PAGE FOUR.

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SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED. NAY.

OKAY. WE HAVE ONE NAY AND FOUR AYES.

MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES.

SO IN IMPLEMENTING THIS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS RATHER THAN BRING YOU A WHOLE PACKAGE OF MULTIPLE RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES, THAT WE BRING IT INCREMENTALLY AS WE CRAFT THEM.

YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. LET'S SEE.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO ITEM 8B RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-32, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-32]

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. WHAT THIS IS MAYBE 4 COMMISSION MEETINGS BACK.

THE COMMISSION APPROVED AUTHORIZING ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT TO ESTABLISH A ERP SYSTEM FOR THE CITY TO PURCHASE THE SOFTWARE THAT HAD BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK THE MONEY'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND JUST NEVER HAPPENED.

WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I COLLECTED THE DIRECTORS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ALL CAME TO ME AND SAID, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

WE NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION, WELL, WHY HASN'T IT HAPPENED? AND I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE WAS THAT THE DIRECTORS ALL HAVE FULL TIME JOBS AND NONE OF THEM HAD THE CAPACITY.

THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.

NONE OF THEM HAD THE CAPACITY TO OWN THIS IMPLEMENTATION AND SO I ASKED THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR A CONSULTANT WHO WOULD IMPLEMENT IT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY HOW THIS IS DONE, HAVING GONE THROUGH IT TWICE AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THE ANSWER WAS YES.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH A CONSULTANT WHO WILL HANDLE THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASES OF THE CITY'S NEW ERP SYSTEM AND WITH THAT, I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

RIGHT. JUST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS WILL ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN AND WE TALKED ABOUT I KNOW THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT EFFICIENCY IN SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.

THIS IS A MONEY SAVING.

I THINK IT'S TAKEN US FROM THE 80S, YOU KNOW, TO THE 2020S, PRETTY MUCH.

SO THIS THERE'S AN INHERENT SAVINGS IF YOU AGREE WITH ME.

YES. OKAY. OKAY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-32, I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER DASH OR 24- 32. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. ITEM 9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 31, DASH 24- 17, FIRST READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

[9.A. Ordinance No. 31-24-17, First Reading and Public Hearing]

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, TRANSMITTING PROPOSED EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT BASED AMENDMENTS TO THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALSO TRANSMITTING A NEW MAP SERIES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S VARIOUS AGENCIES FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.

PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF SAID EAR BASED OR EAR BASED AMENDMENTS AND NEW MAP SERIES.

UPON RECEIPT OF SAID COMMENTS AND COMPLETION OF THE STATE COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS.

PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE AMANDA UP AND WHILE SHE'S GETTING UP, WHAT I'LL SAY IS.

SO EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, EVERY SEVEN YEARS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED AN EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT ATLANTIC BEACH IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW AND IN THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR DATA AND ANALYSIS.

ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL UPDATES THERE IS POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR PLAN AND LOOK AT THE STATE STATUTE TO DETERMINE WHAT STATUTES HAVE CHANGED AND HOW WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE PLAN TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE STATUTES AND IT LOOKS LIKE AMANDA IS READY, SO I'LL HAND IT OFF TO HER.

THANK YOU. AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.

THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER.

YOU DID A GREAT EXPLANATION THERE.

A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

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WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEANS.

WE'VE HAD TOWN HALLS, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS.

WE'VE GONE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD A COUPLE OF TIMES.

WE'VE EVEN HAD A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS HERE.

SO MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT IS A LONG RANGE DOCUMENT.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY.

IT SERVES AS THE FRAMEWORK OR THE GUIDE FOR YOUR LOCAL LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

WE'VE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH SINCE THE 80S AND WE UPDATE IT PERIODICALLY EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS AS NEEDED OR AS REQUIRED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

AS WE WILL BE UPDATING THIS AND THEN TRANSMITTING IT TO OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS AND THEN STATE AGENCIES, THEY'LL REVIEW AND COMMENT ON IT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OR IF THEY THINK WE'RE DEFICIENT IN ANY WAY.

THE FIRST PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS YOUR TITLE AND INTRODUCTION.

THIS GIVES YOU THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SPEAKING OF EARLIER WAS UPDATED CENSUS DATA.

IN HERE, WE TRACK THE POPULATION IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE USE TO GET SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR OUR PARKS AND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

BUT WE'VE UPDATED THAT SECTION PRIMARILY FOR DEMOGRAPHICS AND SOME CLEAN UP LANGUAGE.

THE OTHER, THE ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS WHAT YOUR ZONING CODES AND YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS ARE BASED OFF OF IS THIS FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT.

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS A ACTUALLY A MINOR CHANGE.

WE'RE REMOVING SOME OF THE WETLAND BUFFER LANGUAGE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

REMEMBER, THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ONLY UPDATED EVERY 5 TO 7, MAYBE POSSIBLY TEN YEARS.

SO IT'S NOT AS NIMBLE AS YOUR ZONING CODE.

ZONING CODES ARE MORE NIMBLE, AND YOU CAN CHANGE THOSE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE FOR THIS.

WHAT WE ARE ADDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT CAME AS A RESULT OF SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE GOT.

WE'RE ADDING SOME PROTECTION LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR THE MARSH.

THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT A TOWN HALL MEETING AND A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETING.

SO WE HAVE A NEW POLICY AND OBJECTIVE REGARDING THAT.

WE ARE ALSO ADDING SOME DENSITY REQUIREMENTS OR DENSITY CONTROLS FOR OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DID NOT HAVE IT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL BUT DID NOT HAVE A ASSOCIATED DENSITY AND DENSITY IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

SO WE ADDED THAT TO MATCH THE SURROUNDING DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN OUR TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, WE ARE REALLY UPDATING IT TO WHAT THE FDOT MEASURES RIGHT NOW, THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS.

IT USED TO BE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

BUT WE'RE UPDATING IT WITH WHAT'S INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

WE'RE ALSO ADDING A COMPLETE STREETS OBJECTIVE AND POLICY TO THERE.

IT FITS IN WITH OUR COMPLETE STREETS POLICIES, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT.

THERE'S JUST MINOR UPDATES AND JUST UPDATES AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LANGUAGE.

OUR CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT SECTION WERE RELOCATING AND REORGANIZING IT AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR THAT MARSH PROTECTION IN A RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, WE'RE REVISING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR BASEBALL SOFTBALL FIELDS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECOMMENDATION. I THINK PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE BASEBALL FIELDS.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

BASICALLY, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF YOUR POPULATION, AND THEN THERE'S INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT YOU USE TO PREDICT HOW MANY RECREATION FACILITIES YOU NEED AROUND THE CITY. SO WE'RE JUST UPDATING THAT.

WE'RE ADDING SOME POLICY IN THERE.

THAT DESIGNATES ALL PARKS AS ACTIVE PARKS.

WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT AND WE'RE REVISING BASED ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS, OUR HOUSING AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL ELEMENT COORDINATION, THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THAT AND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY ALWAYS UPDATED BECAUSE YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE NEEDING UPDATE AND AS A RESULT OF YOUR BUDGET AND YOUR POPULATION AND YOUR NEEDS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE'RE REMOVING THE TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY STATE.

WE'RE REMOVING REDUNDANT LANGUAGE.

THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SCHOOL ELEMENT AND THEN WE'RE REMOVING LANGUAGE THAT BASES DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ON PARK FACILITIES, OUR SCHOOLS.

OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ELEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO.

WE ARE ADDING AS REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE, THIS PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT AND WE KIND OF JOKE AROUND THAT THE PLANNERS, WE JUST REALLY PLAGIARIZE.

BUT THIS IS THE STATE STATUTE AND THE MODEL ORDINANCE IS PRIMARILY THE STATE STATUTE.

WE ARE COPYING THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE USED TO IMPLEMENT IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT BE COMPLIANT WITH STATE

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ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH FIRST READ, WHICH IS TONIGHT, IT WILL BE TRANSMITTED.

THERE IS A REVIEW PERIOD THAT ALLOWS FOR COMMENTS FROM ADJACENT JURISDICTIONS AND STATE AGENCIES.

HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE MINOR AND THEN WE WILL INCORPORATE ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS BACK AND POINT THOSE OUT TO YOU AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FOR SECOND READ.

ONCE WE HAVE SECOND READ, THEN OUR UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE LIVE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

YES. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

JUST A QUICK ONE. I'M READING THIS PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT FROM THE STATE.

DOES THIS IN ANY WAY AFFECT OUR TREE CODE OR WHAT WE DO LOCALLY? OKAY. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? YES. NO, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE TREE CODE.

IT REALLY JUST IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OVERREGULATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

WE HAD SOME STATE LEGISLATURE REGULATIONS THAT CAME DOWN THAT SAID THAT LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES CAN'T REGULATE TOO MUCH THE LOOK OF CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EROSION OF SOME OF I GUESS, HOME RULE, IF YOU WILL.

BUT IT REALLY WON'T AFFECT OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

WE'RE PRIMARILY BUILT OUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LIKE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE SEEING SUBDIVISIONS COME IN WITH A THOUSAND HOMES.

WE'RE JUST SEEING MINOR REDEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. I MEAN, SO OVERARCHING THAT I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD FOLLOW DOWN THIS ROAD AND [INAUDIBLE].

THANKS. COMMISSIONER RING, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT THAT SLIDE IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO IT.

YES. STARTING WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE WETLAND BUFFER LANGUAGE.

I DO REMEMBER YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE TOWN CENTER THE TOWN HALL.

COULD YOU JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING HERE AND WHY WE HAVE TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE? OKAY, SO WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE.

IT IS REDUNDANT LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY FOUND IN CHAPTER 24, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND AS WE'RE UPDATING OUR CHAPTER 24 THOSE MIGHT CHANGE AND IF YOU DON'T UPDATE IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS OLD DATA, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A CONFLICT WITH YOUR CHAPTER 24, YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO CHAPTER 24 SEPARATE THAN THE COMP PLAN.

YES. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE LARGER DOCUMENT AND IT PROVIDES THE FRAMEWORK OR THE BROADER VIEW.

AND THEN YOU BASED ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU NARROW IT DOWN AND YOU IMPLEMENT IT VIA YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WHICH ARE CHAPTER 24.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SEE ALL THE SPECIFICS.

YEAH, THE SPECIFICS ARE IN CHAPTER 24.

WE STILL PROVIDE SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BUFFER WETLANDS, BUT WE TOOK OUT THE SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS IN THIS SECTION.

OKAY AND WILL WE SEE THOSE IN CHAPTER 24? YES AND WHEN WILL THAT BE? I HAD HOPED TO GET IT TO YOU SOONER AND I HAD PROPOSED THAT WE MOVE IT FORWARD WITHOUT THE STORM WATER AND JUST LEAVE IT AND COME BACK.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF ON HOLD, I THINK, AS A GROUP.

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE UPDATE, OTHER THAN THE STORM WATER.

THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY SOON.

OKAY AND I MORE ON THAT.

SAME SLIDE THERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT APPLYING MEDIUM DENSITY TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHAT IS IT NOW? WE'RE MIXED. ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE IT ALL MEDIUM DENSITY JUST FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? SO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS LOCATED? IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL.

THERE'S NOT STREET NAMES ON THIS MAP, BUT THIS IS ATLANTIC BOULEVARD HERE.

THIS IS SHERRY, THIS IS AHERN.

SO IT CAPTURES THE THIS IS THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO POSE AND THEN YEAH, TO POE'S TAVERN RIGHT THERE AND THEN.

IS THIS THE ONLY CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? YES, IT'S IN THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER.

HOWEVER, THE HOTEL ITSELF IS NOT IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

CURIOUS. THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER COMMITTEE.

DO THEY LOOK HAVE YOU I KNOW YOU YOU DISCUSS AND YOU HOLD WORKSHOPS AND PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AND YOU HOLD THE WORKSHOPS WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, BUT IS THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER COMMITTEE? DO THEY HAVE ANY SAY, OR DO THEY HAVE YOUR AUDIENCE OR THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO COME UP THEMSELVES? THEY WOULD BE I KNOW I'VE WORKED WITH MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS IN THIS AREA.

SO PRIMARILY THE LANDOWNERS IN OUR AREA OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY.

DOES THIS AFFECT MAYPORT BUSINESS DISTRICT AT ALL? NO. MAYPORT HAS A DIFFERENT LAND USE CLASSIFICATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

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IT'S KIND OF IT'S HARD TO SEE.

IT'S NOT ON THIS MAP HERE.

BUT IT IS AN ADDITIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY ALONG THE MAYPORT ROAD AND THAT WAS CREATED OUT OF THE MAYPORT VISION TO ALLOW SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES AND TO ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO GET THOSE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET TO HELP REDEVELOP MAYPORT ROAD.

WAS THAT. DURING THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISION THAT WAS DONE IN 2019.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MR. KELLY. KILLINGSWORTH, I WAS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO KIND OF GIVE AN ANALOGY.

YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY THE KIND OF, YOU COULD THINK OF IT AS THE CONSTITUTION FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

IT'S A HIGH LEVEL, SETS THE FRAMEWORK AND STRUCTURE AND THEN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS HERE, IT'S YOUR CHAPTER 24.

THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL STATUTES THAT IMPLEMENT IT.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AMANDA, BUT IT ALLOWS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

NOW, WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY IS HOW MANY UNITS THAT IS, AND IT'S REQUIRED TO SAY THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.

CORRECT OKAY I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES SIR. CAN WE BRING BACK THE SLIDE ON THE PROGRESSION ONCE WE'VE APPROVED ON THE FIRST READING? ASSUMING WE DO.

WHO'S NEXT? OKAY.

SO WHAT? WE WILL, SORRY.

I GOT A LITTLE BIT CLICK HAPPY THERE.

SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS TRANSMIT THIS TO THE STATE.

TO THE STATE, AND THEY'LL BLESS IT OR GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY CHANGES IF THEY SEE APPROPRIATE AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO US FOR A SECOND READING.

CORRECT AND A FINAL APPROVAL, ASSUMING WE PASS IT.

SO HERE'S MY QUESTION.

MOST OF THIS AND BY THE WAY, GOOD JOB IS PRETTY CLEAR.

AND I THINK WE'RE ON ON THE SAME PAGE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A BROAD WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY SHORT ORDINANCE, ACTUALLY AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE TEXT OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THE CHANGES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WHAT IS THE TEXT FOR THE NEW PORTION ABOUT PROTECTION OF THE MARSHES? CERTAINLY. SO IT WAS SUCH A LARGE DOCUMENT THAT WHEN WE SEND OUT THE AGENDA, IT'S IN A LINK ON THE AGENDA.

SO I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

I MEAN, WE I DON'T THINK YOU PRINTED IT OUT FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT IS ON THE AGENDA.

I CAN FIND THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

OKAY, THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THIS IS ON VIDEO, THAT CITIZENS KNOW THAT THERE IS A LINK AND THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AND I WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. I KNOW YOU WERE BRINGING UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THE BUFFER, ALTHOUGH THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT.

OKAY. THE WETLANDS BUFFER.

SO THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY JUST IN CODE.

RIGHT. THERE'S A GREAT DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROJECTS PAGE.

THERE'S THE RED LINE VERSION WHICH YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

BUT THERE'S A VERSION ON OUR WEB PAGE THAT GIVES YOU EDITORIAL COMMENTS AND THAT SAYS WHY WE'RE CHANGING IT AND THE REASONS BEHIND IT, WHETHER IT WAS STATE STATUTE OR SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT TO TAKE A PEEK AT AS WELL.

YEAH. SO THE WHERE I WANTED TO LEAVE IT ON THIS IS WE AS THIS BODY, FIVE OF US HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

WE REALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION.

WHILE THIS IS THE KIND OF THE GOVERNANCE FOR US TO THEN LEGISLATE IT IS IF WE'RE AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LEGISLATION, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. SO WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT.

YOU REALLY NEED TO STUDY IT, AND YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED TO SAY, WAIT A SECOND.

I PROPOSE AMENDING THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE'RE REVIEWING IT, AFTER WE GET THE RESPONSE FROM THE STATE.

SO WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU, AMANDA. THANK YOU.

THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO LET'S SEE.

LET ME GO TO THAT. HOLD ON.

OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

I'M BRINKLEY HARROLL, 266 STREET.

I'M SORRY, I MUST HAVE DOZED OFF AT SOME POINT.

DURING ALL THAT, I DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THAT ENTIRE LENGTHY.

DRAFT 2045 COMP PLAN.

BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF IT.

BUT WHAT WOKE ME UP WAS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, AMANDA STARTED TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

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ONE, TWO, THREE.

THREE OF THE FIVE RESIDENTS HERE TONIGHT LIVE IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

OLD ATLANTIC BEACH IS PLATTED AT 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND THE PROBLEM AND I DON'T AMANDA WILL KNOW THIS ANSWER.

I DON'T, BUT AT LEAST IN CHAPTER 24-101 THROUGH, I THINK 105, IT TALKS ABOUT THE ZONING DISTRICT, THE ZONING AREA, RS2 BEING 75 FOOT WIDE MINIMUM LOTS AND 7500FT².

NOW, I KNOW THAT TWO OF Y'ALL LIVE IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

ONE OF YOU ON THE EDGE OF OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

ATLANTIC. OLD ATLANTIC BEACH FROM FIRST ALL THE WAY TO TO 15TH OR 16TH AND TO SEMINOLE AND TO SHERRY TO INCLUDE SEA SPRAY ARE 50 FOOT PLATTED WIDTH LOTS.

SOME OF THEM ARE LOT AND A HALF WIDE.

SOME OF THEM HAVE JOINED TWO LOTS, BUT THE VAST PREPONDERANCE OF 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS IN RS2.

BUT YET YOU LOOK AT THE CHART ON IN 24-101 AND IT DOESN'T.

IT ONLY SPECIFIES 75 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND 7500FT².

I'M ON A 50 BY 100 FOOT LOT, 50 FOOT WIDE, 5000FT².

BUT YET I'M IN RS TWO AND I FALL OFF THE CHART, YOU KNOW? SO THEREFORE THERE'S SOME ASPECT OF MY PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT EITHER CAUSE ME TO HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH OTHER HOOPS IF I WANTED TO TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD OR DO SOMETHING, OR ADD ON, OR CHANGE SOMETHING, OR PUT IN A POOL, OR REDO MY DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO AND LIKE I SAY, AMANDA KNOWS THIS ANSWER.

MAYBE MR. KILLINGSWORTH ALSO IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AND PUBLIC READING FOR THE COMP PLAN VERSUS CHAPTER 24-101 THROUGH 5 OR 6 SPECIFICALLY FOR ZONING AREA RS TWO. SORRY, AMANDA, BUT THAT'S WHAT WOKE ME UP IS WHEN I HEARD HER TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

SO SOMEHOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT RS TWO ZONING NEEDS TO BE FIXED. IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED COMMENSURATE WITH THE ORIGINAL PLATS OF ALMOST ALL OF OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

OTHERWISE, IT'S A TAKING OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, RESTRICTING WHAT YOU CAN DO ON YOUR LOT, OR WHAT YOU COULD DO ON YOURS, OR WHAT I CAN DO ON MINE AND THE VAST OTHER AREAS OF ATLANTIC BEACH, BECAUSE THE HIGHEST RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

GUESS WHAT? IT'S NOT OCEAN WALK.

IT'S NOT OCEAN.

I CAN'T WAIT, CASEY.

I'M SORRY. NOT ABCC.

NO, YOUR AREA YOUR LITTLE PUTT.

I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THE NAME AND IT'S NOT SILVA MARINA.

THE GREATEST DENSITY IS OLD ATLANTIC BEACH ON 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS.

SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

HOPEFULLY, BETWEEN MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND AMANDA, THEY CAN SHOW THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR COMP PLAN IN CHAPTER 24.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER.

SPEAKERS. OKAY, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.

BEFORE WE ACTUALLY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION NOW, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 31- 24- 17 ON FIRST READING SECOND.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY.

COULD BE TO AMANDA. IT COULD BE TO YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. ON THE ISSUE THAT JUST CAME UP.

IF WE HOW WOULD OUR CURRENT YEAH.

COME ON UP, AMANDA.

WHAT? OUR CURRENT COMP PLAN AND OR THESE CHANGES IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO CHANGE SOMETHING IF WE CHOSE TO REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LOT SIZES IN THAT AREA THAT IS TYPICALLY 50 FOOT PLATTED LOTS.

SO WE IT'S PRIMARILY FOUND IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.

WE HAVE A SECTION THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

SO THERE'S AN OBJECTIVE, 8.1.4 AND THEN THERE'S A SPECIFIC POLICY AND REMEMBER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MORE GENERAL IN NATURE.

SO THE SPECIFIC POLICY THAT DEALS WITH OLD ATLANTIC BEACH SAYS THE CITY SHALL MAINTAIN WITHIN ITS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS PROVISIONS INTENDED TO RETAIN THE UNIQUE COMMUNITY IDENTITY, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL SCALE OF THE AREAS OF THE CITY KNOWN AS OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

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WE DO HAVE LAND USE DENSITIES THAT ARE RELATED THAT THE RS2 OR DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS EQUATE BACK TO AND THERE'S A MAP, BUT IT DOESN'T THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T GET SPECIFIC REGARDING LOT SIZES.

YEAH. OKAY. GOOD.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. YEAH.

SO THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT YOU FIND IN YOUR ZONING CODE SETBACKS AND HEIGHT, TYPICALLY LOWER RATIOS IF YOU HAVE THEM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ARE NOT TYPICALLY IN YOUR COMP PLAN.

THOSE ARE IN CHAPTER 24.

WHAT IS IN THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE THE DENSITY THAT'S ALLOWED IN THAT AREA AS A WHOLE.

SO I THINK AN INTERESTING QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT THE DENSITY WOULD ALLOW IT GOING BACK TO 50 FOOT LOT.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.

MY SUSPICION IS THAT IT WOULD BUT YOU HEARD THE LANGUAGE ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHARACTER.

HONESTLY, I THINK IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, THE LANGUAGE ACTUALLY SUPPORTS IT MORE THAN THE CURRENT POSITION, THE CURRENT CODE RIGHT NOW, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT DID AND THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATIONS.

BUT ONE MORE AND MAYBE COMMISSIONERS KELLY AND BOLE, REMEMBER, I'M NOT SURE.

WHEN DID WE CHANGE? WHEN DID WE GO TO THE 75 FOOT AND THE 70 500 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE? I DON'T I WASN'T HERE, SO IT PREDATED ME.

SO IT WAS A WHILE BACK.

YEAH. SO COMMISSIONER BOLE.

YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT I DON'T.

BUT I'M VERY CURIOUS IF WE CAN ANSWER TODAY OR IN THE FUTURE AS TO WHAT THE BENEFIT ASSUMED FROM MAKING THAT CHANGE.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT WE BELIEVED WE WOULD HAVE LESS DENSITY AS FAR AS ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING STRUCTURES.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN FEWER CARS BECAUSE YOU NEEDED MORE LOTS TO BUILD A HOUSE.

IF THEY WERE 50 FOOT LOTS ON A CONSTRUCTION, YOU'D NEED TO ASSEMBLE TWO.

I'M NOT SURE THE REASONING, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW AND THE REASON WHY IS I WANT TO JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT IT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF A COMMUNITY, IF YOU'VE NOTICED THE HOME THAT'S BEING BUILT ON FIFTH AND EAST COAST, THAT'S A DOUBLE LOT. SO THAT'S 100FT BY AMANDA.

YOU KNOW THAT PROPERTY? THAT'S 100 BY 100 AND A QUARTER AT LEAST IT'S IT.

YEAH. IT'S AT LEAST SO IT'S AN OVERSIZE LOT AND THEY HAVEN'T VIOLATED ANY OF OUR CODES.

THEY'RE MEETING OUR SETBACKS FRONT, BACK, SIDES AND SO ON.

BUT IT'S A MONSTER HOUSE AND I'M WONDERING IF WHEN WE CHANGED THE CODE SOME NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND WENT TO A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 7500FT AND 75 FRONT FEET, I WONDER IF WE REALIZED THAT WOULD BE A CONSEQUENCE OF CHANGING THE CODE AND IF THAT'S THE CASE AT SOME FUTURE POINT, THAT'S NOT FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT AT A FUTURE POINT IN TIME, WE MIGHT WANT TO RELOOK AT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BUILD ON 50 FOOT LOTS IN THE OLD CITY AREA.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY CHANGE CODE WITHIN OUR CHAPTER 24.

YEAH. SO OUR CODE CURRENTLY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 24, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING LOT OF RECORD, THAT'S A 50 BY 100 FOOT YOU CAN BUILD ON THAT.

SO WE ALLOW YOU TO YEAH.

CURRENTLY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING AND SO JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY, WE HAVE MANY HOMES AND I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE NUMBER, AMANDA, BUT WE HAVE MANY HOMES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BUILT ON A DOUBLE LOT IN THE CENTER OF THAT LOT TRAVERSING THE THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT THOSE TWO 50 FOOT LOTS THAT MAKE UP A 100 FOOT WIDE CANNOT BE RE-SUBDIVIDED. CORRECT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

NOW, BY THE WAY, WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED ON.

FIFTH AND EAST COAST.

YOU COULD STILL DO THAT.

SOMEBODY CAN ASSEMBLE.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE OVER THE LAST DECADE WHERE WEALTHY PEOPLE COME IN AND ASSEMBLE EVEN FOUR LOTS AND BUILD A VERY LARGE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S NOT SAYING THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY DISINCENTIVIZING THE SMALLER HOMES ON ALREADY ASSEMBLED LOTS WHERE THERE'S A AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE. THEY CANNOT REMOVE THE IMPROVEMENT, I.E.

KNOCK IT DOWN AND GO BACK TO THEIR TWO ORIGINAL PLATTED LOTS.

RIGHT? YES COMMISSIONER.

DO WE EVER WANT TO TALK ABOUT ADUS? OKAY. WELL, NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A TODAY THING, BUT YEAH, I'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT ADUS.

THAT'S NOT A TODAY THING, BUT YES.

OKAY. WHERE WAS I? I'VE LOST MY PLACE. THANK YOU.

AMANDA. I SHOULD CHECK THESE OFF.

OH, HERE WE ARE.

YOU'RE ON 9B.

YEAH. THANK YOU. SO DO WE THINK YOU VOTED ON NINE YET?

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YEAH. OKAY, THAT'S WHERE I NEEDED TO KNOW.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. NOW TO NINE B.

[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-25, Introduction and First Reading]

INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

ARTICLE TWO THE COMMISSION, SECTION SIX.

POWERS SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. GABRIEL.

MR. SCOTT. YEAH, CERTAINLY.

MR. MAYOR THIS IS THE FIRST OF SIX, I BELIEVE, ORDINANCES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TONIGHT, WHICH, WHILE NOT THE CERTAINLY NOT THE CULMINATION OF THE PROCESS ARE THE NEXT STEP IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PROCESS, WHERE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, MET, GAVE A REPORT, YOU HAD WORKSHOPPED IT, AND YOU DIRECTED THAT CERTAIN ORDINANCES BE DRAFTED TO REFLECT THE CONSENSUS AND THIS IS THE FIRST THIS DEALS WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD, THE CITY COMMISSION, CURRENTLY, THE REQUIREMENT IS TWO YEARS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OPERATIVE PART OF THIS IS SECTION ONE WILL CHANGE THAT FROM TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS.

OF COURSE, IF YOU ADOPT IT FIRST AND SECOND READING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE ADOPTING IT FOR PLACEMENT, FOR PUBLIC REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT.

YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY AMENDING THE CHARTER.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

THE LAST PAGE OF THIS INCLUDES THERE WERE THE EXHIBIT TO IT INCLUDES A RED LINE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THE CHARTER AND HOW IT WILL BE WHAT STRICKEN THROUGH AND HOW THE AND THE ADDITIONS.

SO THIS WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS FOR QUALIFICATION TO SERVE ON THE CITY COMMISSION.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? OH. I'M SORRY. DOES IT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ABANDON AN ELECTOR FOR ALL FOUR YEARS AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED? IT DOES, IT DIDN'T SEEM ALL THAT CLEAR.

IT SAID YOU HAD TO BE AN ELECTOR, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAD TO BE AN ELECTOR ALL FOUR YEARS ALSO.

WELL, I THINK IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL RED LINE VERSION IN THE BACK, I THINK THAT CLARIFIES THAT OR SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT AS IT ADDS, SHALL HAVE BEEN FULL TIME RESIDENTS AND ELECTORS IN THE CONJUNCTIVE OF THE CITY FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO QUALIFYING.

OKAY AND THEN SO\ THEN IT STRIKES OUT THE SEPARATE LANGUAGE THERE WHERE IT SAID THEY SHALL BE ELECTORS IN THE CITY, WHICH IS A FREE STANDING.

SO NOW THAT THE FREE STANDING LANGUAGE IS GONE AND YOU'VE GOT THE CONJUNCTIVE OF BOTH RESIDENCY AND ELECTORS.

OKAY. GOOD QUESTION.

OKAY. JUST A GENERAL.

YES, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE WORKSHOPPED IT.

MY OPINION IS LESS IS MORE.

REMEMBER, WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON THE CHARTER, AND THESE ARE SIX THINGS AND THE ELECTORATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO READ THROUGH ALL THOSE.

SO IN MY VIEW, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES TO BE ON THAT BALLOT.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BUNCH.

RIGHT AND WE HAVE 11 ALTOGETHER AT THE START.

YEAH. I'M JUST TAKING MORE OF A MYOPIC VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON THERE.

THAT'S JUST MY $0.02.

THANKS. OKAY.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS ISN'T IS IT NECESSARY FOR THIS? THE PRIORITY WISE. FOR ME, IT'S LIKE TO BE RIGHT.

THERE'S A COUPLE ON HERE THAT ARE A PRIORITIES.

YOU KNOW, JUST I'M NOT ADVOCATING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.

I GUESS I'M JUST PRIORITIZING.

WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

YOU KNOW, JACKSONVILLE BEACH JUST WENT THROUGH THIS.

YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH SIX I BET.

YOU KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN VOTE FOR COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT, ETC.

SO WE'RE GOING TO STAND OUT AS THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND THE REALLY, YOU KNOW, TURNING TO THE CHARTER IS A BIG DEAL EVERY TEN YEARS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT AND THE BACKSIDE OF THE THIRD PAGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE WAY DOWN THE LIST.

WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION, BUT AT THIS POINT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

OKAY. IT'S ITEM 9B.

YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24- 25, FIRST READING, I SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL OPEN IT UP.

I HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN.

I REALLY SHOULD UNDERSTAND AND IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO ARTICULATE WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THOUGHT WAS THE HUGE BENEFIT OF IT, REQUIRING FOUR YEARS AS AN ELECTOR AND AS A RESIDENT VERSUS THE TWO YEARS, I ASSUME IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS SOMEBODY MORE VESTED IN THE

[01:35:08]

OKAY, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE TAKE.

I WELL, LIKE COMMISSIONER BOLE I HAVE A CONCERN AND WE'RE TAKING THESE IN ORDER ON THE AGENDA HERE.

BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT AND I'M NOT SEEING THE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE QUALITY OF OUR COMMISSION BY DOING THAT.

BUT THERE'S NO COMMISSIONER KELLY, ANY COMMENTS? BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING HERE LONGER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS GOOD AND I'VE LIVED THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF LIKE, ISSUES AT THE MOMENT AND ONCE THEY'RE RESOLVED, LIKE, OKAY, THE INTEREST IS GONE.

SO I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TRICK TO THIS PONY.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR AND YOU WANTED TO RUN FOR OFFICE, OKAY, SO YOU HAD TO HAVE SIGNATURES IN JULY AND YOU LOOK AT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ALMOST OVER TWO YEARS UNLESS YOU COME AND, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE ON THAT BALLOT, YOU KNOW? AND OF COURSE, THE ELECTION CYCLES ARE DIFFERENT FOR, EACH DISTRICT.

SO LIKE YOU, I SEE IT AS MAYBE FIVE ON THE PRIORITY LIST.

WELL, MY FINAL POINT I'LL TAKE OTHER QUESTIONS IS.

WE'RE NOT A BIG CITY AND GETTING TALENTED PEOPLE TO STEP UP, ESPECIALLY IF THEY BRING FORM SIX BACK, WHICH IS STILL A POSSIBILITY.

IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST AN INJUNCTION AGAINST IT.

I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE PUSHING AWAY PEOPLE THAT MAY BE VERY WELL QUALIFIED.

BUT WITH THAT, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.

I'D LIKE AT THIS POINT IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

AND I'LL LET YOU START IT OFF.

OKAY, SO THAT PASSED 3 TO 2.

THANK YOU, LADAYIJA.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 9C ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24-26.

[9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-26, Introduction and First Reading]

ARTICLE TWO THE COMMISSION, SECTION NINE POWERS SUB SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SCOTT. YES, MR. MAYOR. THIS AGAIN, IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE TWO OF THE CHARTER.

ARTICLE TWO IS PROVISION OF THE CHARTER, WHICH SETS FORTH THE POWERS OF THIS BODY AND ENUMERATES THEM.

THERE'S CURRENTLY 14 ENUMERATED POWERS.

THIS WOULD ADD A 15TH.

YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE, WHICH IS THE EXERCISE OF AUTHORITY PERMITTED BY LAW FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF BEACHES, MARSHES, MARITIME TREE CANOPY AND PROPERTY THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED ON THE OTHER ONE.

ALSO, IF YOU APPROVE THESE, YOU'RE APPROVING WITH THE BALLOT SUMMARY WILL BE WHAT THE VOTERS WILL LIKE.

THEY DON'T GET THE RED LINE VERSIONS, THEY GET THE A BALLOT SUMMARY AND THAT'S EACH OF THESE HAS A BALLOT SUMMARY AS WELL.

SO THAT'S IT ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 33- 24- 26.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24- 26 SECOND.

OKAY. FIRST BY COMMISSIONER RING.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ANY DISCUSSION? THIS ONE IS ADDING THAT LAST ITS ON PAGE 111.

IS THAT THE ADDITION? WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE ADDING EXERCISE AUTHORITY PERMITTED BY LAW FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF BEACHES, MARSHES, MARITIME TREE CANOPY AND PROPERTY THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

SO WE'RE NOT STRIKING ANYTHING OUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THIS.

SIMPLY ADD YOU'RE ADDING SUBSECTION WILL BECOME SUBSECTION 15 IF ADOPTED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD SAY THAT AS A COMMISSION, NOT JUST AS A COMMISSIONER NOW, TODAY AND LOOKING INTO FUTURE GENERATIONS, THAT THIS IS UNDER THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.

15. YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE OF A IT'S MORE OF A PHILOSOPHY.

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ANYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO BILL ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

JUST. OKAY? I DON'T WANT TO SUFFER THE PERSECUTION IF I DON'T.

SO THIS LOOK, THIS IS ASPIRATIONAL, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING ASPIRATIONAL.

WE OUR CITY OF CARING PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, OUR STEWARDSHIP.

BUT I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DIDN'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE CHARTER, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

BUT LET'S MOVE.

YES COMMISSIONER. SO I THINK IT WAS 800 PEOPLE WROTE IN TO FORM THE VISION AND A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE VISION IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. OH, THERE'S NO DOUBT AND, I APPLAUD THAT.

I THINK THERE'S WAY MORE THAN 800 PEOPLE THAT WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THEY DIDN'T APPLY ON PUTTING IT IN THE CHARTER.

BUT THAT AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THAT HORSE ANY FURTHER ON THIS ISSUE.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON IT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

SO WE'LL SEE THIS AGAIN, CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

SO LADAYIJA, I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE WITH EACH OF THESE ON A ROLL CALL.

OKAY. MOVING ALONG TO ITEM NINE D DID I MISS NINE?

[9.D. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-27, Introduction and First Reading]

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

ARTICLE FOUR.

THE CITY CLERK.

SECTION 28 APPOINTMENT DUTIES.

SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MR. THOMAS? YES, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS A PRETTY DISCREET PROPOSED CHANGE.

IT RELATES TO ARTICLE 4 THE CITY CLERK, SECTION 28, WHICH SETS FORTH THE CLERK'S DUTIES.

CURRENTLY, SUBSECTION FIVE SAYS THE CLERK SHALL SERVE AS SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION FOR CITY ELECTIONS.

THIS SIMPLY STRIKES THAT AND REPLACES IT.

THAT SHALL SERVE AS OR SHE OR HE WILL SERVE AS THE FILING OFFICER FOR CITY ELECTIONS.

OKAY. THAT'S EASY.

I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION ON THIS.

RECOMMEND WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 33-24-27 SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOLES.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK THIS JUST CAME ABOUT FROM WHEN WE SWITCHED OUR VOTING CYCLE.

BEFORE, WHEN WE WERE THE OFF SECTION THE, YOU KNOW, THE OFF ELECTION SHE HAD TO BE IN.

BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ALIGNED, WE DON'T NEED I THINK YOU'RE PRECISE ON THAT.

I THINK AND I THINK THIS IS PRETTY MUCH CLEAN UP.

SO. IT'S ALL RIGHT IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

LADAYIJA.

OKAY. ITEM 9E ORDINANCE NUMBER 33- 24- 28.

[9.E. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-28, Introduction and First Reading]

ARTICLE 2. THE COMMISSION SECTION 9 POWERS SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. THOMAS? YES. THIS IS ANOTHER PROPOSED REVISION TO THE POWERS OF THIS COMMISSION THAT ARE SET FORTH IN ARTICLE 2, SECTION 9 OF THE CHARTER, CURRENTLY UNDER SUBSECTION 14. THERE'S A GENERAL RESTRICTION ON THE ABILITY TO SALE, LEASE, DISPOSE.

OTHERWISE OF A PARK.

CURRENTLY, IT HAS TO BE DONE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE ENTIRE CITY COMMISSION.

IF APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH CAN ONLY BE DONE THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE ELECTORS THROUGH A REFERENDUM VOTE.

PUBLIC REFERENDUM.

OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24- 28, AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, MAYOR.

CERTAINLY. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT THIS GOES THROUGH ONE WITH OUR COMMISSION AND TWO, I WILL CERTAINLY BE

[01:45:05]

OKAY. YES, I KIND OF TOOK AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE? YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD CAUSE US TO DO THAT? YEAH AND I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A REASON, YOU KNOW AND IF WE DID, WE COULD ALMOST, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN EMERGENCY.

I COULDN'T COME UP WITH SCENARIO WHERE WE'D HAVE TO SELL THE PARK, SO.

YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, LATELY WE'VE ADDED, LIKE, ESSENTIALLY THREE PARKS.

IF YOU TAKE IF YOU TURN DORA DRIVE INTO A SOME KIND OF PASSIVE PARK, WE'VE GOT THE 101ST AND WE BOUGHT SELVA, SO YOU KNOW WE'RE ADDING PARKS.

I'M KIND OF SOMEWHERE OUT THERE ON THIS.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A GROUP OF FIVE COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS CITY AGREEING TO SELL A PARK UNLESS THERE WAS A REAL NEED.

SO I HATE TO PUT THIS INTO THE CHARTER AND LIMIT THAT.

SO, QUITE FRANKLY, I'D JUST BE STRAIGHT UP.

I THINK IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN FOR THE WRONG REASONS, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.

BUT I KNOW THERE ARE CITIZENS IN THIS CITY THAT BELIEVE THAT COULD HAPPEN.

SO I'M SINCE I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE SHOULDN'T LIKELY BE SELLING PARKS.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.

BUT I REALLY FIND IT SAD THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO GO THAT FAR, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT TAKES A MAJORITY OR.

I'M SORRY, DOESN'T IT TAKE UNANIMOUS? UNANIMOUS AND UNANIMOUS IS.

THAT'S PRETTY HARD TO GET TO IF IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO.

BUT ANYWAYS, WITH THAT SAID, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

BUT TO THAT POINT, MR. MAYOR OUR SCHOOLS ARE UNDER CONSOLIDATION AND BASED ON STATE LEGISLATION, THEY COULD SELL THE PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER.

SO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S A POSSIBILITY EVEN TO ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY ARE CORRUPT OR I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.

WELL, THAT IT CAN BE SOLD A SCHOOL, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS.

CORRECT. BUT ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AS A PARK WOULD BE.

OKAY, SO I, KNOW WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD COME DOWN FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.

BUT WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF ALL THOSE THINGS WERE ON REFERENDUM, SOMETHING LIKE ATLANTIC BEACH OR A SCHOOL CLOSURE THAT WAS ON THE REFERENDUM, THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A SAY, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. LADAYIJA. LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING TO 9F.

[9.F. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-29, Introduction and First Reading]

OKAY. IT'S COMING UP MORE.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24-29, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

ARTICLE TWO THE COMMISSION.

SECTION 12 VACANCIES IN THE CITY COMMISSION.

SECTION 14 INDUCTION OF CITY COMMISSION INTO OFFICE.

MEETINGS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

ARTICLE 9 ELECTIONS.

SECTION 39 NOMINATIONS.

SECTION 40 ELECTIONS.

PRIMARY AND AND SECTION 41 ELECTIONS.

GENERAL. SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. THOMAS? YES, MR. MAYOR, THIS IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRIKETHROUGH, IT'S A LITTLE MORE THERE'S MORE GOING ON, BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY TO UNIFORM THE GET THE LANGUAGE UNIFORM THROUGH VARIOUS PROVISIONS.

THE CORE OF THIS IS TO ADD THROUGH THE CHARTER A PRIMARY ELECTION STAGE WHICH DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IT WOULD REMAIN NONPARTISAN.

BUT IF THERE WERE TWO IF THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A PRIMARY.

THE TOP TWO WOULD GO INTO THE GENERAL TO DECIDE IT.

BUT IF SOMEONE WINS A MAJORITY IN THE PRIMARY, THAT'S OVER.

THIS ALSO HAS LANGUAGE CHANGING THE DATE THAT THE NEWLY ELECTED PERSON TAKES OFFICE.

CURRENTLY IT'S I THINK THE SECOND IT'S THE 2ND NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE.

BUT GIVEN TIME TO GET CERTIFIED RESULTS AND SO FORTH, IT MOVES THAT BACK TO DECEMBER OR CERTIFICATION, WHICHEVER IS EARLIEST.

SO AGAIN, DON'T LET I WOULD SAY DON'T LET THE AMOUNT OF THE STRIKETHROUGHS OR CHANGES SCARE YOU.

THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING EVERYWHERE.

IT SAYS, GENERAL, WE NEED TO HAVE PRIMARY AND SO FORTH.

OKAY. YEAH, OF COURSE, MR. THOMAS. YES. DID MR. GABRIEL KNOW YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS TONIGHT AND THEN PICK YOU TO COME HERE TONIGHT?

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WHEN MR. GABRIEL ASKED ME IF I COULD COVER TONIGHT, HE DIDN'T TELL ME THE CHARTER.

THE CHARTER? HE DIDN'T MENTION THAT BEFORE I SAID YES, I COULD DO IT.

[INAUDIBLE].

I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA AND I THOUGHT, OH, THANKS JASON, I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M ALWAYS HAPPY THOUGH.

WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO DO.

JUST CHECKING. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 33-24- 29.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER RING AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.

DISCUSSION. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED MUCH DISCUSSION ON THIS.

I'VE BEEN THE TESTIMONIAL ON THIS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS.

I HAD A PLURALITY AS MAYOR.

I DON'T RELISH DOING THAT EVER AGAIN.

I WOULD LIKE A MAJORITY VOTE, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THAT IS TO CORRECT HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, WHICH MEANS A PRIMARY IF WE HAVE THREE OR MORE CANDIDATES.

SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I JUST WANT TO ASK SOMETHING.

SO I WAS TALKING TO COMMISSIONER THIS MORNING, I MEAN, NOT.

CITY MANAGER. I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT TALKING TO MYSELF.

SO MY CITY MANAGER.

SO IF YOU HAVE A PRIMARY AND YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE AND, YOU HAVE ONE PERSON.

ONE'S LIKE, WHAT, 34 TO 32 TO 31? WHAT HAPPENS.

WITH THOSE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO CLOSE [INAUDIBLE] THE TOP TWO\ MOVED THE TOP TWO.

BUT TO ANSWER THE NEXT QUESTION IS IF SOMEBODY HAS A MAJORITY VOTE ON THE PRIMARY, THEY ARE ELECTED.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT THAT'S A MAJORITY VOTE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A 34 AND A 33 AND A 32, YOU GET THE MAJORITY VOTE.

NO. 32, YOU TAKE THE TOP TWO VOTE GETTERS AND MOVE THEM TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS SOLVES SO MANY THINGS AND BECAUSE WE ARE ON CYCLE WITH THE REST, AS COMMISSIONER KELLY MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE NOT OFF CYCLE.

WE'RE IN TUNE WITH THE STATE AND NATIONAL ELECTIONS.

IT'S REALLY NO, BIG DEAL.

IT DOESN'T COST US RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.

THAT'S A KEY POINT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? NO COMMENTS.

OKAY. ALL.

OH. SORRY. WE'LL GO BACK TO LADAYIJA ROLL CALL.

[9.G. ORDINANCE NO. 33-24-30, Introduction and First Reading]

ORDINANCE NUMBER 33- 24- 30, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, PROPOSING A AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

ARTICLE. 18 WHEN ACT TAKES EFFECT AND PERIODIC REVIEWS.

SECTION 81 PERIODIC REVIEW, SUBMITTING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

PROVIDING FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. THOMAS.

YES, MR. MAYOR.

THIS ACTUALLY CONCERNS THE WORK OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ITSELF, IN THAT THE FIRST CHANGE IS THAT THE APPOINTMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN FEBRUARY INSTEAD OF JANUARY, AS IT'S CURRENTLY IS.

I THINK THE IDEA BEHIND THAT WAS TO GIVE NEWLY ELECTED COMMISSIONERS MORE TIME TO REFLECT ON THAT.

THERE IS SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE REFERRING TO THE REVIEW OR PLACED ON THE BALLOT WOULD BE FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION.

CURRENTLY IT SAYS REGULAR ELECTION, WHICH IS ALL WE HAVE IN THE CURRENT CHARTER.

SO THAT'S JUST CLEAN UP LANGUAGE THERE AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT ON OH, AND OTHER CLEAN UP LANGUAGE CURRENTLY, THE CHARTER REFERS TO THE COMMISSION ACTING BY RESOLUTION TO PLACE THESE AMENDMENTS, WHICH JUST SIMPLY ISN'T WHAT YOU DO.

YOU DO IT BY ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S REALLY CLEAN UP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. MOTION, DID WE MAKE A MOTION? WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 33- 24- 30 ON FIRST READING SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? BECAUSE WE PASSED THE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE PASSED THE PREVIOUS ONE.

WE NEED TO PASS THIS ONE TO MAKE IT RIGHT.

NO. THE LANGUAGE IS.

YOU WILL IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE PRIMARY.

IF YOU DON'T GO TO PRIMARY, IT'LL STILL MAKE SENSE THAT THE CHARTER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD GO ON A GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT.

IT'S JUST AS CURRENTLY I REMEMBER THIS CAME UP WHEN I WAS I WAS ACTUALLY COVERING FOR JASON AT THE CHARTER.

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IT JUST TALKS ABOUT I CAN'T WHAT THE PHRASE IT IS, BUT PRIMARY IN GENERAL.

AND SO THIS WON'T CAUSE ANY IT'LL FIT IF YOU PROVE THE OTHER RIGHT.

IT'LL STILL MAKE SENSE EVEN IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE OTHER.

OKAY. IT WORKS EITHER WAY.

OKAY. THANKS. GOOD CATCH.

GOOD QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER.

LIKE THIS. NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMMISSIONER BOLE SAID SOME OF THESE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS AND THAT WHEN WE ARRANGE FOR THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY APPEAR ON THE BALLOT, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS SHOULD GO FIRST, IN CASE OF VOTER FATIGUE. YES.

NO. YES.

I CAN SEE I WAS WONDERING THE SAME THING IF WE PRIORITIZE THEM, JUST LIKE THE COMMUNITY OR THE CHARTER REVIEW.

PRIORITIZE THEM WHEN THEY PRESENTED IT TO US.

IF WE PRIORITIZE THEM OURSELVES AND WHEN WE PRESENT IT TO THE VOTERS.

IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.

JUST A AND THIS IS A RANDOM FACT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE NAVY SENT ME, BUT I GOT A MASTER'S IN POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM WAR EAGLE LAND AND IF YOU MARK THE FIRST ONE IN A POSITIVE MANNER, THERE'S LIKE A 80%, YOU'RE GOING TO MARK THE REST OF IT.

YOU MARK THE FIRST ONE IN A NEGATIVE MANNER AND YOU GUYS.

SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE STATISTIC WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

YEAH. BUT THERE'S A PATTERN IF YOU'RE ALPHABETICALLY THE FIRST ONE THAT'S A PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW AND I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS, IT'S RELEVANT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS.

BUT SHOULD WE PUT THIS ON A SUBSEQUENT MEETING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT TOGETHER? AND SHOULD WE HAVE SOMEBODY COACH US ON THAT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD ASK SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS JERRY HOLLAND, BUT MAYBE SO.

WELL, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NEED.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE IT, YOU WOULD NEED TO DO IT AT THE NEXT HEARING, BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT AND I THINK WE HAVE MAYBE ONE EXTRA MEETING IN THERE.

MAYBE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BET ON THAT.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE, WE NEED TO SET THE PRIORITY AT THE SECOND HEARING, OKAY.

BE THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY, I THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT, WE LET'S GET THAT ON THE AGENDA OR AT LEAST MAKE SURE WE DISCUSS THAT.

DID WE ACTUALLY GET A MOTION ON THIS? YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND OTHER DISCUSSION.

OKAY. LADAYIJA.

OKAY, WE'RE DONE WITH THE HEAVY LIFTING.

LET'S MOVE ON TO MR.

[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WHETHER IT'S THIS COMMISSION OR THE OTHERS I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THE PUBLIC SERVICE THAT YOU ALL DO AND ANYTIME I CAN COME BACK.

I LIKE TO KID JASON ABOUT IT.

I COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE.

I REALLY ENJOY IT, I THINK.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

HE MIGHT HAVE TO RE-INTERVIEW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, PANEL? I THINK NOT AS ENJOY IT AS MUCH.

TO BE CLEAR, HE'S MY PARTNER, SO YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

CITY CLERK COMMENTS.

OKAY LET'S MOVE TO CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS.

I'LL START WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLE.

GO, PANTHERS GO, STANLEY CUP.

ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT, COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I HAVE NOTHING MORE.

JUST LET'S KEEP THIS SPLASH PAD OPERATIONAL.

YEAH. I GOT YOU, COMMISSIONER RING.

JUST WANT TO THANK THE MAYPORT SHARKS FOR COMING OUT THAT ROBOTICS CLUB.

IT'S AMAZING WHAT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND SEEING OUR APPROVAL OF THEIR GRANT TO THAT SCHOOL.

I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE TO EVERYONE LISTENING THAT MAYPORT MIDDLE SCHOOL IS ALSO ON THE SCHOOL CONSOLIDATION CLOSURE LIST AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ECHO THE FACTS THAT WOULD HAPPEN, THAT WOULD HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CHILDREN IS THAT THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WATERS.

I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP A BAD SUBJECT.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SPLASH PAD AND WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE BACK IN? WORKING ORDER.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

TODAY WE HAD AN ELECTRICIAN COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS FROM THAT YET.

IF IT'S NOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM, THEN TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE COMPUTER GUY COME OUT.

BUT THE SPLASH PAD THE CHLORINE COUNT BECAME MISALIGNED.

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SO IT WAS OPEN AGAIN ON SUNDAY AND IT WAS OPEN TODAY.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE CAUSE, WHAT CAUSED THE HICCUP AND WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY RUNNING.

THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

I'LL CLOSE THAT OUT AND THEN I'LL CALL ON MISTER KILLINGSWORTH.

I FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CELEBRATE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS IN THIS CITY AND THAT IS ACOUSTIC NIGHT AND SONGWRITERS NIGHT HELD AT DEL GRANGE. IT IS SUCH A FABULOUS EVENT, AND IT'S UNIQUE TO ATLANTIC BEACH AND NO DOUBT IF YOU GO, YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT COME THERE THAT ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO YOU MIGHT SAY, WHY BOTHER? IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT OUR CITIZENS, BUT IT IS SUCH A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE AND IT REALLY SHINES AN INCREDIBLY POSITIVE LIGHT ON OUR CITY AND I ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS AND OUR RESIDENTS TO COME OUT AND SIT AND LISTEN.

THE TALENT IS GREAT.

THE IT'S A FREE EVENT AND WE HAVE SUCH A GOOD TIME.

SO I WANTED TO CELEBRATE THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT IN THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE AND AND BRING THIS UP FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SO TONIGHT I'M JUST GOING TO CHALLENGE CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DETAILED REPORTING ON THE SPLASH PAD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE APPROVAL, EVEN AFTER WE WENT WAY OVER BUDGET IS.

HAVE WE ASSESSED ALL OF OUR RISKS AND THE RISKS, NOT JUST BEING LIABILITY AND SO ON, BUT THE RISK OF WHAT DOES IT COST TO RUN THIS? AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME DETAIL ON AN ONGOING BASIS ON ALL COSTS, INCLUDING A PRO RATA PORTION OF LABOR? YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF THAT IS USED TO SUPPORT THE SPLASH PAD SO THAT WE REALLY, TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING FOR THAT PIECE.

BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

I DON'T HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS.

I WOULD AGAIN ASK THAT EACH OF YOU TEXT, EMAIL, CALL, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE TIME THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE EITHER THE THIRD OR THE FIFTH.

IF YOU'D LIKE A ONE ON ONE SIT DOWN TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE WORKSHOP ON THE EIGHTH.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.