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YES, SIR. NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS AND GUESTS, WELCOME TO OUR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING.[CALL TO ORDER]
COMMISSIONER RING WILL LEAD US WITH AN INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE.ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED AUGUST 12TH, 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
DONNA, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SO LET ME START BY JUST WELCOMING ROB GRAHAM, WHO IS FILLING IN FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
MR. GABRIEL, THANK YOU FOR COMING ALL THE WAY FROM EITHER DOWNTOWN OR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BEFORE I OPEN THE MEETING WITH ITEM ONE.
I WANT TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING THAT WAS DISTURBING TO ME AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS WHAT? THE TOWN HALL, THE TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD A WEEK AGO.
ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS, OUR CITY ENGINEER WAS CALLED OUT BY NAME BY TWO DIFFERENT CITIZENS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DID NOT DO A GOOD SERVICE TO THAT EMPLOYEE BECAUSE I DID NOT GAVEL THE CITIZENS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE A CLEAR STATEMENT TODAY THAT IN THIS THIS FORUM, DECORUM IS IMPORTANT, AND I WILL USE THE POWER OF THE GAVEL TO GAVEL ANYBODY THAT'S OUT OF LINE, AND MOST SPECIFICALLY, AND I'LL WORK BACKWARDS ON THIS THE USE OF NAMES IN IN TRYING TO, TO WIN THE DAY ON YOUR, ON YOUR BELIEF, WHATEVER IT IS ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY IS DOING GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT.
THE USE OF NAMES IS NOT A PROPER WHEN IT'S A NEGATIVE CONTEXT LIKE WAS ON THE SATURDAY.
IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT THAT OUR STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE WILL PROTECT THEIR REPUTATION, AND I WILL GAVEL ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS OUT OF TURN, AND I WILL ASK THEM TO SIT DOWN.
SO I WANT TO APOLOGIZE PERSONALLY TO MR. SWANN, OUR CITY ENGINEER.
AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT ALL OF OUR STAFF DOES.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
LET'S START WITH THE MINUTES OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP HELD ON JULY 8TH, 2024.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? YES. OKAY.
AND THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR WITH SIGNIFY WITH.
I APPROVED THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 8TH.
THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING VERSUS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? WELL, HEARING NONE, THEN THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS SUBMITTED.
MOVING ON TO ONE OF OUR FAVORITE SEGMENTS.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
HOPEFULLY WE GOT SOME PEOPLE SPEAKING TODAY COURTESY OF THE FLORIDA VISITORS.DONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED IN TODAY? JUST ROUGHLY.
THE WAY THIS WORKS IS THERE IS A CLOCK.
YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOUR TIME IS ABOUT UP, AND YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BUZZER GO OFF.
IF YOU GO OVER TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO GAVEL YOU AT EXACTLY WHEN THE BUZZER GOES OFF, BUT I WILL TAP THE GAVEL AT FIVE TO 10S OVER JUST SO THAT YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION. BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.
SO STARTING WITH THE FIRST NAME CARL KLEIN.
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MR. MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, I AND MY NEIGHBORS ASKED FOR HELP IN RESOLVING A PROBLEM THAT HAS PLAGUED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OAK CIRCLE HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR OVER 30 YEARS.I'M APPEALING TO YOU NOW BECAUSE I THINK THE SITUATION IS URGENT.
OUR PROBLEM HAS TWO ASPECTS ONE IMPROPER GRADING OR PITCH OF THE OAK CIRCLE, PAVED ROADWAY, AND NUMBER TWO, CLOGGED FLOODWATER, SWALES AND CULVERT ON THE BACK OF A HANDOUT WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED.
I HAVE A MAP WHICH SHOWS OAK CIRCLE.
AND SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S IN THE MAP.
STORM WATER RUNS FROM 19TH STREET DOWN OAK CIRCLE TO THE SWALE AT THE NORTH END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THE DEPTH OF THE DEBRIS EVENTUALLY AND FREQUENTLY RISES ABOVE THE OAK CIRCLE STREET LEVEL, AND THE STREET FLOODS AND REMAINS FLOODED FOR DAYS, WHILE FLOOD WATER SLOWLY SEEPS THROUGH THE CLOGS INTO THE SURROUNDING LAWNS.
I HAVE SOME MORE HISTORY WHICH I'M GOING TO PASS ON NOW, AND IT'S IN THE FILE ON THE 24TH OF JUNE OF THIS YEAR, I SENT A REQUEST NUMBER 2340 TO THE CITY'S CITIZEN REQUEST TRACKER SYSTEM, REPORTING FLOODING AGAIN CAUSED BY THE ACCUMULATED SILT AND VEGETATION IN THE OAK CIRCLE IN BRISTOL DE MAR SWALES AND IN THE CULVERT.
I THEN RECEIVED AN EMAIL MESSAGE ON 625 FROM PUBLIC WORKS.
THE CITY WILL BE OUT TO DO SOME MINOR HAND WORK TODAY TO HELP FLOW OFF THE ROADWAY.
WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO OPTIONS FOR GETTING THE SWALE CLEANED OUT AND OAK CIRCLE, AS WELL AS THE BRISTOL DE MAR CIRCLE, AS WELL AS OTHER OPTIONS TO ALLEVIATE THE SITTING WATER ISSUE ON THE ROADWAY.
I REPLIED WITH THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE.
I DON'T, HOWEVER, UNDERSTAND HOW THE REQUEST 2340 CAN BE CLOSED WITH JUST THIS MINOR HAND WORK.
THE SILT LEVEL OF MUCH OF OAK CIRCLE IN VISTA DEL MAR IS STILL ABOVE STREET LEVEL.
PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED AS YOU DETERMINE WHAT OPTIONS YOU WILL EMPLOY.
I REALIZE THE WHEELS OF CITY ADMINISTRATION GRIND SLOWLY AND I BELIEVE THE MATTER IS NOW URGENT.
A SEVERE STORM WILL CAUSE SEVERE FLOODING.
THE PROJECT WILL COME BEFORE YOU FOR A VOTE.
WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, BUT WHILE REGRADING AND REPAVING THE STREET MAY BE A CAPITAL EXPENSE, MATTER ISN'T PROPER MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM A MATTER OF ROUTINE.
WHY DOES THE CITY HAVE TO WAIT YEARS TO LOOK INTO OPTIONS FOR GETTING THE SWALES AND CULVERT CLEANED OUT? EVERY WATER AND SEWAGE BILL WE PAY EACH MONTH CONTAINS A STORMWATER UTILITY CHARGE.
SHOULDN'T THIS MONEY BE ALLOCATED TO ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER DRAINS? COMMISSIONERS, WE NEED HELP SOON.
I AND IF YOU LIKE, A FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH ANY OF YOU.
PERHAPS TO WALK THE AREA AND LOOK AT THE SWALES TO SHOW YOU JUST HOW SERIOUS THE PROBLEM IS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KLEIN. BILL PARMENTER.
GOOD EVENING. I'M BILL PARMENTER, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE NAMING OF WHAT IS NOW CALLED CALL MARVIN GARDENS PARK, TOO.
I'D LIKE TO RENAME IT TO ELEANOR AND GARNET ASHBY PARK.
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THEY WILL WELCOME YOU INTO THEIR HOME WITH RESPECT AND WARMTH.AND UNLIKE AS OPPOSED TO MARVIN, WHO IS A DOG.
AND HE WOULD SNAP AT YOU ON THE WAY OVER.
SO I JUST THINK IT'D BE A GREAT WAY TO, TO REMEMBER THE ASHBY'S.
AND I WOULD CERTAINLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
I LIVE AT 2205 FLEET LANDING BOULEVARD AND JACKSON IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
BILL PERMENTER AND I ARE REPRESENTING THE FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND FAMILY OF GARNET AND ELEANOR ASHBY, WHO LIVED ON THE OCEANFRONT AT THE FOOT OF DEWEY AVENUE FROM 1954, RIGHT AFTER THEIR HONEYMOON UNTIL THEIR DEATH IN 2010 AND 2015.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER NAMING THE PASSIVE PARK FOR THEM IN THEIR MEMORY.
YOU HAVE THE NAMING DOCUMENT, I THINK, FROM KEVIN, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE STILL LIVING THERE.
THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE STILL THERE.
WE SOLD OUR HOUSE IN 2020 I GUESS, AND MOVED TO FLEET LANDING, BUT WE WERE THERE FROM 1972 UNTIL THEN. THE ASHBY'S FIT, THE NEW CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE FOR NAMING PARKS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
THE PARK HAS NO OFFICIAL NAME, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
THE WIDER BEACHES AREA AND JACKSONVILLE.
IT WAS REALLY EXCITING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN HE ALSO BUILT KONA SKATEBOARD PARK IN 1976.
WE HAD AT LEAST TWO YOUNG MEN IN THAT BLOCK THAT LOVE SKATEBOARDING.
MORNING, AND GARNETT WAS VERY GENEROUS WITH FREE PASSES FOR THEM TO KONA.
SHE WAS HONORED BY THE JACKSONVILLE BEACHES HISTORICAL SOCIETY AS A BEACH LEGEND AND CELEBRATED WITH, AND WAS CELEBRATED WITH A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD AT THE FLORIDA TIMES-UNION EVE AWARD IN RECOGNITION OF HER COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL.
THAT'S JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN, AND YOU HAVE THERE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THEM, I THINK, IN YOUR PACKET. WE TRULY THINK THAT THEY ARE DESERVING OF THE NAME OF THIS PASSIVE PARK.
AND AS THE OWNER OF MARVIN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY DESERVE IT SO MUCH MORE THAN MARVIN.
AND I ASKED BILL TO WORK ON THIS WITH ME BECAUSE HE WAS NOT A FAN OF MARVIN.
SO I THINK WE BALANCE OUT THE TEAM TO ADVOCATE FOR A NEW NAME FOR THE PARK. THEY WERE OUR GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND SOME THINGS WERE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
WE TRAMP THROUGH THEIR YARD TO THE BEACH FOR YEARS BECAUSE OUR ACCESS, ALTHOUGH IT WAS THERE, WE WERE PART OF JACKSONVILLE, AND THERE WAS A LADDER STRAIGHT DOWN.
AND THEN YOU HAD TO CLIMB OVER THE GRANITE BOULDERS TO GET TO THE BEACH.
AND I HAD A 16 MONTH OLD AND A FIVE YEAR OLD, AND I WAS HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT WHO I WAS GOING TO TAKE DOWN FIRST AND GET ACROSS THOSE ROCKS AND TRUST THAT THEY WOULDN'T RUN TO THE WATER.
BUT GARNET OFFERED THAT, AND THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD TROMPED THROUGH THEIR YARD FOR YEARS.
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THEY WERE JUST SUCH FINE PEOPLE.AND THEY WERE THE PEOPLE IN THE BIG HOUSE, AS I CALLED THEM.
AND SO CARING AND WONDERFUL TO HAVE HIS NEIGHBORS.
OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THE BALL CUTTING, BUT ARE YOU STILL GOING TO AFFORD TO DO THE DOG PARK? ALSO, I WAS WALKING MY DOG AND JUNE WILLIAMS, WHO WITH HER HUSBAND BILL, WHICH WERE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS, WERE ON THE POOL.
SHE PULLED ME OVER AND SAID, DID YOU SEE ALL THE DEAD FISH IN THE POND? AND I SAID, NO, BECAUSE I WASN'T AROUND FOR A FEW DAYS.
BESIDES THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DRAINING THE POND AGAIN.
SHOWS HOW MUCH LAND IS DISAPPEARED FROM BEHIND OUR HOMES.
AND ANYWAY, JUNE SAID TO ME, I GOT A CALL YESTERDAY FROM SOMEBODY, AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO.
AND SHE SAID, THEY ASKED US IF WE COULD PUT UP A FENCE.
I SAID, A FENCE WHERE? AND SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I JUST WONDERED WHO CALLED HER.
WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A FENCE SINCE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A FENCE.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK AGAIN, COULD YOU PUT UP SOME SIGNS THAT SAY NO FISHING BEYOND THIS LOCKED GATE? BECAUSE AGAIN, THOSE KIDS WERE BACK THERE.
I DON'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE MY EX-HUSBAND KEPT YELLING AT ME.
AND THEN THOSE ILLEGAL PARKED CARS CALLED.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, THEIR DISPATCHERS ARE GREAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW.
AND IF YOU CAN'T DO BULKHEAD, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, LIKE, STICK SOMETHING IN THE GROUND BACK THERE OURSELVES? STOP THE LAND FROM GOING AWAY.
THANK YOU. MISS DOLLY MCCORMICK.
HI. YOU KNOW, I'M HERE FOR THE SAME THING.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK JESSICA RING FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF HER DAY TO COME OUT AND LOOK PERSONALLY AND WALK THE AREA SO I COULD SHOW HER, SHOW HER THE DITCHES ALL AROUND THAT ARE NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
THEY HAVE BRANCHES IN THEM AND ALL, AND WATER IS NOT GOING TO FLOW IF IT'S BLOCKED.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO COME.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY HELPING US WITH THE BULKHEAD ON OUR POND, BECAUSE OURS IS A NECESSITY.
I THINK THE DOG PARK IS A WANT, AND IT WOULD BE JUST FOR BEAUTIFICATION.
MAYBE, BUT OURS IS A NECESSITY.
SO IT REALLY IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ON THAT.
AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE WHERE THEY'VE DONE SOME OF THE BULKHEADING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THE SECTIONS THAT ARE NOT BULKHEADED ARE REALLY ERODING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY GONE.
AND IT'S NOT BY THE BULKHEAD AND IT'S BY THE PIPE THAT'S ON THE OTHER END.
THERE'S A LARGER AREA THERE THAT'S EVEN ERODING.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE TROPICAL STORMS, THEY DROP A LOT OF WATER.
AND AS FAR AS I CAN UNDERSTAND, THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT SWELLS AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS ARE DRAINS AND EVERYTHING NEED TO BE MAINTAINED. LIKE I EXPLAINED LAST TIME I GO OUT THERE, I'M GOING TO BE 84 YEARS OLD, AND I CLEANED THE TOP OF THOSE DRAINS AFTER STORMS SO THAT THE WATER WOULD FLOW BETTER.
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THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU.THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY.
THANK YOU. WE DON'T RESPOND TO CITIZENS AT THIS SESSION, BUT YOUR CONTACT IS OUR CITY MANAGER.
THANK YOU. AND HE'S TAKING COPIOUS NOTES OVER HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO DID NOT SIGN IN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. YES, MA'AM.
I'M ACTUALLY HERE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT OAK CIRCLE.
BUT ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU AND TO THE CITY PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THIS.
I'M AN AVID PICKLEBALL PLAYER.
I PLAY AT DONNER SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, AND I'VE JUST SEEN THAT WHOLE PARK COME ALIVE IN THE LAST, PROBABLY 3 TO 4 MONTHS.
THE ADDITIONS THAT YOU DID TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY'RE COMPLETELY FULL ALL THE TIME.
AND THE WATER, THE WATER PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS BROUGHT LOTS OF YOUNG FAMILIES INTO THE AREA.
SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
CITY MANAGER REPORTS.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION.
BEFORE YOU IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
SOME ITEMS OF NOTE IS THE 24TH OF AUGUST, WHICH IS MOVIES IN THE PARK AT JOHANSEN.
WE ALSO HAVE THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS THE FALL FESTIVAL AT GAIL BAKER.
THE 19TH OF OCTOBER IS TOWN HALL AT ADEL GRANGE.
AND THEN ALSO ON THE 19TH OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE THE FAMILY FUN DAY AT RUSSELL PARK.
AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FOR AUGUST THROUGH OCTOBER OF 2024.
COMMISSIONERS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE NEW MEETING ON THE 29TH.
YES. OKAY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT.
YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL ON THAT.
HELLO AGAIN. KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A POLICY THAT THAT SERVES AS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR WHEN YOU CONSIDER NAMING AND RENAMING PARKS, RECREATION AREAS AND BUILDINGS.
ON JULY 9TH, THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND APPROVED A REQUEST.
TO NAME THE AREA KNOWN AS MARVIN GARDEN.
AS ELEANOR AND GARNETT ASHBY MEMORIAL PARK.
THE CITY MANAGER AND I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT TONIGHT? WELL, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GO.
I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BAD GUY.
I LIVE TWO HOUSES DOWN ON SHELL STREET.
SO IT'S BEEN THERE BY DEFAULT, RIGHT? FROM MY VIEW, OR AT LEAST 20, 25 YEARS.
WHEN YOU SAY IT WASN'T NAMED, THERE'S A GIANT CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH SIGN.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY OTHER SIGN, RIGHT? IF YOU GO TO ZILLOW OR YOU LOOK IT UP ON A MAP, GUESS WHAT? THERE IT IS.
THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE, AND I BELIEVE YOU.
THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT LIKE PROMOTE, RIGHT.
SO, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE.
SO AND, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO NAME IT AFTER A GOOD CITIZEN LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION.
AND I HEARD, YOU KNOW, I HEARD ABOUT MARVIN.
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BUT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A.
YEAH, IF IT'S NOT FORMALLY NAMED, I GET THAT.
BUT WHY WOULD THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PUT A GIANT CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH SIGN THERE IF IT WASN'T TRUE PARK? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A TEN YEAR, MAYBE THAT'S.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COSTS, THAT'S ALL.
IF I MAY, THROUGH THE THROUGH THE MAYOR.
THE SIGN THAT WAS PURCHASED WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS COST $982.
INDEED, AS OUR STAFF WAS, WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE AS IT DID AS GOOD A JOB AS STAFF HAS EVER DONE IN TERMS OF LOOKING UP AND DOCUMENTING AND RECORDING THE HISTORY OF THE PARKS.
WE PUT IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT THERE'S THIS PARK NAMED THE MARVINS GARDEN.
AND INDEED, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DILIGENTLY PUT UP A SIGN ACCORDINGLY.
WELL, WELL FRANKLY, THE CITY COMMISSION HAS NOT APPROVED THE NAME OF THAT PARK.
AND SO I WAS GOING TO SAY AND STAND BY.
IN MY ESTIMATION, THE PARK HAS NEVER BEEN FORMALLY NAMED.
GOOD QUESTIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY WOULD BE FOR YOU TO PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION.
BUT WHAT WOULD IT COST? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE SPENT CALL IT $1,000 ON A SIGN MIGHT BE 2000 A DAY TO DO THE SAME SIGN, BUT WHAT ELSE WOULD IT COST? I THINK, FRANKLY, MINIMAL LABOR COST IN TERMS OF CHANGING ALL OF OUR FRONT FACING SOCIAL MEDIA THAT MIGHT HAVE THAT NAME ON IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COST WOULD BE MEANINGFUL. OKAY, SO I'LL JUST GIVE ONE FINAL COMMENT.
I CAN THINK OF NO BETTER NAME TO ASSOCIATE WITH ANY PARK.
UNLESS, OF COURSE, TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. BOLE, THAT WE FIND OUT THERE'S A HUGE EXPENSE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT PERHAPS THIS COULD COME BACK IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION WITH ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES.
SO DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION? YES, YES, YES.
IT'S A RESOLUTION, RIGHT? OKAY. YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. RAY. OKAY.
MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, I'D ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A DEFENSE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM GRANT.
WE ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL RECEIVE THIS GRANT.
AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE FEDERAL SCORING MECHANISMS. SO WHILE WE HAVE NOT BEEN AWARDED THE GRANT YET, WE ARE HIGHLY, HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT.
SO THAT JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT TONIGHT.
OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.WELL, I FEEL LIKE DEBBIE DOWNER TONIGHT, BUT I THINK SOME OF YOU WERE AT THE BEACH WATCH MEETING.
WHERE? BEFORE THEY SHUT IT DOWN FOR SUNSHINE LAWS.
I GUESS I WAS LUCKY OR UNLUCKY TO ASK A QUESTION.
I WROTE THIS DOWN WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT HOME THAT NIGHT.
AND IF SOME OF YOU REMEMBER THIS QUOTE.
FIRST OF ALL, HE LOVED THE BEACHES, RIGHT? OF COURSE THEY DO. THEY DON'T.
BUT THEY LOVE IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS QUOTE I WROTE DOWN, IT SAID THAT WE ARE A DONOR COMMUNITY.
OKAY. WE PAY A DOLLAR AND GET 13 TO $0.17 BACK.
AT LEAST THE MATH THAT I'VE HEARD THAT DIDN'T SIT QUITE RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE A DONOR. ONE OF THE ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SAID THAT.
MAYOR, I KNOW YOU WERE THERE. JESSICA WAS THERE.
THEY SAID ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE PAY THAT.
AND BILL, I KNOW YOU WERE SITTING NEXT TO ME.
IS THAT BECAUSE THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS A COURTHOUSE, COURTHOUSES.
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YOU KNOW, IF I DO MY MATH RIGHT, THEY ALSO CAN BE A MONEY MAKING VENTURE.SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THAT WHERE THAT LEADS, BECAUSE I WASN'T REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE ANSWERS.
AS I SAID BACK TO HIM, THAT MATH DOESN'T ADD UP, AND I STILL DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S OKAY.
ANYWAY, I'M HEADING DOWN TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES TO REPRESENT US ON WEDNESDAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME KNOW.
LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TAKE THOSE WITH ME. I'M REALLY NOT [INAUDIBLE] OKAY.
WE APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER KELLY? SO WOULD YOU LET THEM ASK THEM ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES REGULATION? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ANYTHING WE CAN DO, BUT THEY'RE A MENACE.
AND I SAW IT WHIZ BY ON THE POLICE.
ONE ON THE BEACH AND ONE HERE.
SO, EVERYBODY'S AWARE THIS IS THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL.
THE ATLANTIC BEACH SCHOOL HAS ONCE AGAIN SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR A GRANT FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMITTEE, AND I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.
AND I GOTTA SAY, MY KID GOES THERE NOW.
BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO ALL THE KIDS ON THE WEST SIDE WHO GO TO NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY AND THAT OUR, OUR COPS DO A GOOD JOB OF STOPPING BY AND, YOU KNOW, ATLANTIC BEACH AND INTERACTING WITH THE KIDS.
BUT I KIND OF THINK THAT OUR KIDS WHO GO ACROSS ARE NOT IN ON THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM, BUT AND THAT'S ALL I HAD.
YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER KELLY ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REDISTRICTING ISSUE THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE DISTRICT.
AND, YOU KNOW, FURTHERMORE, ANYONE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN FOR THAT GRANT FROM ABPD OR I KNOW, AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO IGNORE THEM.
SOME GOOD NEWS. THE MASTER'S FACILITY PLAN HAS A NEW IDEA FOR DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I KNOW I, ALONG WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, DID RECEIVE THAT EMAIL.
HAVING TO DO WITH ATLANTIC BEACH BEING TAKEN OFF THE CLOSURE SCHOOL CLOSURE LIST.
SO THIS WAS A GLIMMER OF HOPE.
IT WILL NOT BE VOTED ON UNTIL OCTOBER.
SO THIS IS JUST APPEARING ON A SLIDE THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
THOSE BOARD MEMBERS COULD CHANGE AS AUGUST 20TH.
THAT VOTE IS VOTING DAY, YOU KNOW, AND THERE COULD BE NEW MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD.
SO JUST KEEP IT ON YOUR RADAR.
I KNOW I AM, AND I'M SURE MANY OTHERS SHARE THAT WITH ME.
I DID WANT TO MENTION THE AQUATIC GARDENS AGAIN.
IN LIGHT OF HURRICANE DEBBIE THAT JUST PASSED THROUGH, IT FLOODED.
AS BAD AS OTHER COMMUNITIES AND CITIES ACROSS THAT WERE IN ITS PATH.
BUT AQUATIC GARDENS ISN'T JUST A RETENTION POND FOR THE COMMUNITY THERE.
IT IS SOMETHING WE UTILIZE IN OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS THIS WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY.
YEAH, I ABOUT ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.
I'M. IT'S NOT OVER TILL IT'S OVER.
AND I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO STAY STRONG.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE IT.
AS FAR AS MR. KLEIN I WAS OUT AT OAK STREET CIRCLE VETERANS DAY.
I DON'T THINK I'VE MET YOU THERE, BUT I MET SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND SO I YEAH, I KNOW, YEAH.
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YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE THAT AREA IS TRIAGED.THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS HERE WITH FLOODING IN THIS TOWN.
AND I WILL TRY TO GET I JUST GOT YOUR LETTER, AS WE ALL DID.
SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND TRY TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ALL STAND RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. AND AS FAR AS MARVIN GARDENS, I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, I LOVE NO ONE LOVES DOGS MORE THAN I DO, AND I THINK I LOVE MY DOG MORE THAN YOU LOVE MARK.
SO. BUT IT BROUGHT A LOT OF HUMOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND I ALSO HAVE HEARD OF THE ASHBY'S FOREVER THIS.
WHEN I GREW UP, MY GOOD FRIEND DANA KENYON HELPED MR. ASHBY BUILD KONA, AND I WAS THERE IN 1976 SKATING AND BUSTING MY, YOU KNOW, SKATEBOARDING OUT THERE.
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD NOTHING BUT WHAT Y'ALL SAID.
BUT IT IS VERY HUMOROUS, THOUGH.
BUT WE'LL COME TO A, WE'LL COME TO SOME RESOLUTION, THAT'S ALL.
ARE YOU READY TO RUN SLIDES FOR ME? WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'LL JUST COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER KELLY'S POINT, AND I AGREE.
WE HAVE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND.
SO THERE IS A NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I REACHED OUT TO PRINCIPAL CAVANAUGH FOR NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY LAST YEAR TO TRY TO ENGAGE THE SAME WAY WE ARE ENGAGED WITH ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, AND SHE'S TAKING ME UP ON IT THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S A POSITIVE SIGN THERE.
AND THEN RECENTLY, WE CELEBRATED THE UNBELIEVABLE SUCCESS OF THE ROBOTICS CLUB AT MAYPORT MIDDLE THAT ACTUALLY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM ATLANTIC BEACH.
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND I WENT TO THEIR CELEBRATION OF THAT AT IFLY.
IF ANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IFLY IS, IT'S WHERE YOU GO.
SO ANYWAYS, WE HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THE KIDS.
WE ARE ENGAGED AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT AND TO THE POINT JUST MADE.
EACH OF THOSE SCHOOLS ARE ELIGIBLE TO REQUEST A GRANT THROUGH OUR GRANT PROGRAM.
SO BUT WITH THAT THIS PAST WEEK, WE HAD A STORM.
WE I CALL IT A TRIAL RUN BECAUSE LET'S AGREE, IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT FOR US.
RIGHT. BUT IT WAS A GREAT TRIAL RUN.
AND IT ALSO IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TEST OUT WE HAVE OUR NEW PAVERS IN THE PARKING AREA TO TEST OUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PERMEABLE PAVERS. SO I TOOK A LITTLE VIDEO OF THAT, AND I WANT TO SHOW THAT, BUT ALSO TOOK A I HAD CITIZENS SEND UP SEND IN PICTURES OF THEIR POOLS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID NOT ADDRESS IN OUR DISCUSSION OF CHANGES IN OUR STORMWATER CODE IS POOLS.
RIGHT NOW, OUR POOLS ARE ALLOWED AT 50% PERVIOUS AND 50% IMPERVIOUS, AND OUR CITY BASES ITS DECISIONS ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASED ON THE 25 YEAR, 24 HOUR EVENT AT 9.3IN OF RAINFALL, WITH AN ACTUAL COLLECTION IN THAT PERIOD OF, I BELIEVE, 4.3IN.
MOST POOLS HAVE MORE THAN 4.3IN OF FREEBOARD.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS TODAY.
BUT MR. HOGENCAMP AND THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM, ALL OF THESE POOLS SHOW THAT THEY HAVE NOT BREACHED THE COPING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I HAD MY RAIN GAUGE AT MY HOUSE, SO IT MAY BE DIFFERENT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, BUT I THINK WE WERE AT 4.5IN AND THESE POOLS WERE DOING A GREAT JOB OF COLLECTION. NOW NOTE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, NONE OF THEM ARE INFINITY POOLS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET MUCH COLLECTION OUT OF AN INFINITY POOL.
THAT'S SOME OF OUR CITY INSTALLED TURF BLOCK, WHICH WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
GO AHEAD. AND THERE'S SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT WAS DOING ITS JOB.
OKAY. THERE'S OUR INSTALLED PAVERS, WHICH ARE HIGH AND DRY.
IS THAT A VIDEO OR ANY OF THESE VIDEOS? OKAY. OKAY.
THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR LITTLE SWALE AREA BETWEEN THE PARKING RIGHT OUT BACK.
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AND THAT'S THE PAVERS.THIS IS DURING A FAIRLY HEAVY DOWNPOUR.
IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? OKAY, WE MISSED ONE.
I HAD ACTUALLY HAD A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE SWALE AREA OVERFLOWING AND RAPIDLY FLOWING.
YOU COULD HEAR THE WATER GOING AND THEN PAN BACK TO THIS.
AND IT WAS I CAN'T SAY IT WAS DRY.
IT JUST WAS NOT NO STANDING WATER.
SO I WANT TO CELEBRATE. AND I ACTUALLY WANT TO SAY KUDOS AND THANK YOU TO OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, FOR ACTING ON THAT AND FOR THE CITIZENS.
ALL OF THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AT NO EXPENSE TO THE TAXPAYERS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT WAS AN EFFORT BY A LOCAL VENDOR AND A SUPPLIER OF THOSE PERMEABLE PAVERS TO GIVE US A LOOK AT HOW THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM AND AN UNDERSTANDING.
AND SO I INVITE ALL OF YOU TO, TO STEP OUT AND LOOK AT IT.
BUT THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO SHOW THOSE POOLS IS I WANT TO PUNCTUATE SOMETHING HERE.
WE HAVE AN UPSCALE COMMUNITY TODAY, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I GREW UP HERE 40 AND 50 YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CHOOSING TO LIVE IN THE BEACHES AREA.
AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING TODAY IS THAT WE LOOK AT OUR RULES ON POOLS.
I'M AWARE THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH CURRENTLY ALLOWS POOLS AT 100% PERVIOUS, NOT CUTTING THEM DOWN TO 50%. WE'RE AT 50, OVER 50.
NEPTUNE BEACH, I DON'T BELIEVE ADDRESSES IT AT ALL.
BUT I COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A CASE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT POOLS THAT HAVE MORE THAN 4.3IN OF FREEBOARD ARE ACTUALLY NET COLLECTORS OF STORMWATER, OVER AND BEYOND WHAT OTHER CITIZENS WOULD BE DELIVERING IF THEY MET OUR CODE.
SO YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE THAT PEOPLE WITH POOLS THAT COULD COLLECT STORMWATER SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT TOWARDS OTHER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT TODAY. WHAT I WANT THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR AND ASK IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT I WANT TO CONSIDER REWRITING THAT PORTION OF THE CODE TO ALLOW 75% PERVIOUS FOR A POOL.
THAT'S NOT AN INFINITY POOL THAT HAS AT LEAST 4.3IN OF FREEBOARD.
BUT ONE OF OUR MEMBERS OF OUR CDB, THAT'S OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, HAD STATED IN HER IN THEIR MEETING THAT POOLS WERE OF CONCERN BECAUSE PEOPLE COVER THEIR POOLS AND THEN THEY CAN'T COLLECT STORMWATER.
NOW, ONE OF THOSE POOLS HAD A COVER ON IT OF 15 REALTORS THAT I POLLED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY DON'T SEE POOLS ON THEIR LISTINGS WITH COVERS, SO THAT'S A NON-ISSUE IN THIS CITY.
THE SECOND ISSUE WAS THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN AUTOMATED FLOAT WHERE A FLOAT ON THE WATER LEVEL TO WHERE IT AUTOMATICALLY DISCHARGES THAT POOL MIGHT VERY WELL DISCHARGE WATER INTO THE FLOODED STREET RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM.
AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SENT ME THOSE PICTURES HAS AN AUTOMATED DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO MY ASK IS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THAT WE ADD THIS TO OUR WE'RE DOING AN ORDINANCE ON THIS TWO WEEKS FROM NOW ON THE OTHER ITEMS TO ADD IT TO THE ORDINANCE WITH AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE CURRENT 50% PERVIOUS TREATMENT OF A POOL TO 75%.
AND WHY 75%? WHY NOT 100? ALLOWING FOR THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY COULD PUT IN A POOL WITH A COVER, THAT WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY SOMEBODY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BECOME A POLICE STATE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU PROMISE NOT TO PUT A COVER ON IT, AND WE DISCOVER IN YOUR BACKYARD THAT YOU PUT A COVER ON IT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ARRESTED.
THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF CITY WE WANT TO BE, BUT I THINK WE CAN IMPROVE AND STILL MAINTAIN OUR OUR QUALITY STANDARDS ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. SO, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD INVITE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS NOW.
AND IF IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALLOW FOR A CONSENSUS TO PUT IT ON THE IN AN ORDINANCE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT ORDINANCES REQUIRE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS CAN'T BE PASSED ON.
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THE FIRST ONE, PLENTY OF TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLENTY OF TIME TO MODIFY IT.WHEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD PASSED US THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE WE JUST PULLING OUT THE POOL TO TALK ABOUT AND NOT THE OTHERS? BECAUSE SO WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE OTHERS, AND THOSE WILL COME TO US IN AN ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THE CDB, I WAS AT THAT MEETING.
THEY DIDN'T TAKE UP THE POOL, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ON IT.
ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CDB WAS AGAINST IT FOR THE REASONS I SAID, BOTH OF WHICH ARE NOT ACCURATE.
WE DO NOT COVER OUR POOLS IN ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.
BUT THE OTHER COMMISSIONER TRIED UNSUCCESSFULLY TO BRING IT UP TWICE.
AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT JUST WASN'T THE FOCUS OF THAT GROUP THAT NIGHT.
AND THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF MOVING THE AGENDA ON THAT AND SENDING IT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, ARE WE JUST LOOKING WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE POOL, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY OR AT THE NEXT? AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE WITH THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THIS TO IT.
IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE AS IT COMES TO US.
WE CAN AMEND IT AND THEN PASS IT OR WITHDRAW SOMETHING FROM IT.
BUT I, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I DON'T WANT TO PIECEMEAL THIS, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE ALL DISCUSSED ONE THING, IF YOU ALL WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED WITH MR. KILLINGSWORTH, WE ARE GOING TO REOPEN OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN FOR A DEEPER DIVE ONTO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE STORMWATER CALCULATIONS FOR ONSITE STORAGE AND SO ON.
THAT COULD NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A SHORT PERIOD.
WE NEED THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE OF ENGINEERS AND COMPANIES ADVISING US ON THAT TYPE OF THING.
PLUS, HOPEFULLY THIS COMMISSIONER.
CORRECT. THAT THE APRON GOES INTO THE CALCULATION.
RIGHT. APRONS THAT ARE COOL DECK, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE IMPERVIOUS BY THAT VERY NATURE.
OKAY. BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THEY'VE GOT THIS BIG OLD APRON, AND IT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE AND THAT QUALIFIES UP TO THE 45. YES, SIR.
YEAH. I WANTED 100% PERMEABILITY AND I WAS AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.
AND I AGREE, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO ADDRESS IT.
I ALSO TALKED TO ONE OF THE MEMBERS LAST WEEK ON THE CVB BOARD, AND I HAVE TO CHECK INTO THIS.
THEY SAID THERE ARE PERVIOUS POOL COVERS.
YEAH. YEAH. AND SO KIND OF TO FINISH THIS AND MOVE ON, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WRITE INTO OUR EITHER HAVE A WRITTEN DISCLOSURE OR SOMETHING TO ALERT ANY POOL APPLICANT AS TO OUR EXPECTATIONS, OUR REQUIREMENTS, AND WE COULD EVEN CODIFY IT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PERMEABLE POOL COVER.
WE COULD WRITE IT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
YES, YES, I WAS REALLY FOR THE 100% AND NOT THE 75%.
I PREFER DO WE CAN I GET A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION? THANK YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
THIS IS ITEM SIX.THIS IS CONSENT. CONSENT AGENDA.
THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
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SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE ITEM.DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE IT OUT OF CONSENT? THIS. LET ME READ IT FIRST.
CONTRACT TO CRAWFORD, MURPHY AND TILLY FOR THE PROJECT.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL THAT FROM CONSENT? OKAY. HEARING NONE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I MOVE, WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
THANK YOU. MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT, A RESOLUTION.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-42]
NUMBER 24-42.A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AUTHORIZING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE ONE NEW PATROL VEHICLE AND ONE NEW DETECTIVE VEHICLE AT A COMBINED PRICE OF $76,069 FROM ALAN J.
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY, TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSION.
SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ME THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE ONE PATROL VEHICLE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, DOING IT OUT OF A UNEXPENDED CURRENT YEAR FUNDS.
AND THIS WOULD TAKE OFF SOME PRESSURE FROM THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
BUT I WOULD MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION 2442 AND AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF THE TWO VEHICLES FOR A COMBINED COST OF $76,069.
MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-22.
MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BOLE.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER RING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO DOES [INAUDIBLE] TO HAVE HIS, YOU KNOW, IOU IN HIS BACK POCKET IN TWO YEARS? HE HAS A VERBAL DISCUSSION.
HE HAS THE ABILITY TO PULL THE IOU OUT OF HIS POCKET.
ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
OPPOSED. MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT.
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-43]
B A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ADOPTING REGULATIONS FOR TENNIS PROFESSIONALS CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN CITY PARKS, PROVIDING FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MODIFY THESE REGULATIONS, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. KILLIAN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO HAVE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KEVIN HOGENCAMP COME UP AND PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION.
KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU THAT STAFF SUPPORTS COMES TO YOU VIA THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE WHICH SPENT SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE AND GOT LOTS OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM TENNIS PLAYERS AND TENNIS INSTRUCTORS.
THE REASONS FOR REGULATING TENNIS INSTRUCTION ARE STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY COVER PROTECTING THE CITY'S ASSETS, PROTECTING STUDENTS SAFETY AND INJURY.
RISK MANAGEMENT, PROMOTING QUALIFIED INSTRUCTORS AND CONSUMER CONFIDENCE.
THIS WOULD GENERATE A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE, POTENTIALLY OFFSETTING THE COST OF STAFF ADMINISTERING THESE REGULATIONS. I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR TO YOUR ATTENTION.
WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM A CITY COMMISSIONER REGARDING REGULATION NUMBER FOUR AT RUSSELL PARK.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT 90 MINUTE CLOCK BEGINS WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR STARTS INSTRUCTING AND THUS PLACES HIS OR HER YARD SIGN OR SNIPE SIGN THERE DECLARING THAT A LESSON IS IN PROGRESS.
THE OUTCOME OF MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS OF CONTEMPLATION AND DISCUSSION, CERTAINLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO CREATE SOME DISCUSSION.
AND IF THE NEED ARISES ALONG THE WAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK YOU TO TWEAK THESE REGULATIONS.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
GREAT. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
IT'S THE FIRST STEP, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS REALLY IS ABOUT LIABILITY ITSELF.
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YES. YOU HAVE THE CITY COVERED.YEAH, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A FEW TIMES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 24, DASH 43.
THE SECOND IS FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
NINE A ORDINANCE NUMBER 3124 DASH 18.
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 31-24-18, Public Hearing and First Reading]
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING.AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW RL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LI PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE WITH THE PARTIES PETITIONING FOR THIS? YES. I MET WITH MR. HAGERMAN, CAME TO MY OFFICE.
HE SHOWED ME TWO DIAGRAMS AND HIS PURPOSE WAS HE WANTED.
HE FELT LIKE THE BOARD DID NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR.
HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD IT.
WE MET FOR 15 MINUTES, AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.
I ALSO MET WITH MR. HAGEMAN, AND IT WAS LAST THURSDAY.
LAST THURSDAY FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES.
HE WANTED TO EXPLAIN BOTH THE REZONINGS THAT ARE BEFORE US TODAY.
AND GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
I ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT WHO LIVES AT EDGAR STREET.
AND I DID REPLY BACK FOR HER TO PLEASE COME TO THE MEETING AND FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS HER OPINIONS DURING THE MEETING.
ANY COMMUNICATIONS? OKAY. I ALSO HAD DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AT HIS OFFICE.
AND THAT IS THE DESIRE TO HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT HE STATED WAS A LANDLOCKED PROPERTY.
THAT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, BUT NEEDED ACCESS THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL.
WE NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE REQUEST.
SO HOW DID THIS GET TO BE AN ORDINANCE WITHOUT US TALKING ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS A LAND USE AND ZONING REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, IN WHICH THEY DENIED IT.
SO THIS WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK WAS WE DEFERRED IT.
SO IT WAS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, NOT LAST WEEK, BUT LAST COMMISSION MEETING.
BUT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A DEFERRAL SO IT WASN'T HEARD.
SO NOW IT'S BEING HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS COMMISSIONER THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A VARIANCE REQUEST.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE AND A CHANGE TO THE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS LAST.
SO IF I MAY INTERCEDE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY IS ASKING, IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSED, WOULD THEY GO BACK TO THE CDB? NO, NOT US.
WOULD THEY THEN COME BACK TO US FOR ACTUAL APPROVAL? THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO. THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO US.
IF YOU ADOPT THIS ON THE SECOND HEARING, THIS WILL BE THE LAND USE AND ZONING ON THE SITE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T GET, IF THE FIRST GETS DENIED, THEN DO WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE SECOND? NO. OKAY.
NO, YOU STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
BUT IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT WOULD BE VOTE NO.
OKAY. YES, THIS IS MR. KLOTZ. YES.
THE SAME GUY WHO OWNS THE 1800 BLOCK OF MAYPORT ROAD.
THE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS? YES. CORRECT. OKAY.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DONNA. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS.
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I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE, AMANDA.I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING.
AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.
I'LL GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION AND GO OVER THE REQUEST.
THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
GET IT UP HERE. OH, I GOT TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS COMP PLAN 24-001 AND REZONE 24-00140 ESSER AND 1810 PARK STREET.
EDGAR. EDGAR STREET AND 1810 PARK STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU.
THERE'S TWO PARCELS, AS I MENTIONED.
ZERO. EDGAR STREET, THAT'S THE AREA SHOWN IN RED ON THIS MAP.
IT IS LANDLOCKED RIGHT NOW WITH NO ACCESS TO THE STREET.
THE AREA SHOWN IN BLUE IS 1810 PARK STREET.
THEY ARE SEEKING A REZONING TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
THIS AREA IN BLUE IS ACTUALLY HAS STREET ACCESS AND IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
THE AREA SHOWN IN RED MULTIPLE YEARS AGO.
PREVIOUS OWNER WAS SUBDIVIDED OUT OF THE PARCEL TO THE WEST.
AND SO THAT'S PERHAPS WHY IT IS LANDLOCKED, BECAUSE IT WAS A QUICK CLAIM DEED.
SO IT DID NOT GO THROUGH THE CITY.
IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AERIAL PERSPECTIVE I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THERE IS PREDOMINANTLY INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ZONING TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY AND TO THE EAST ALONG THIS LINE.
IT IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM PARK STREET LOOKING AT THE VACANT PROPERTY.
IN THE BACK THERE IS THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THAT PICTURE.
THE AREA SHOWN IN YELLOW ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
IS THAT RESIDENTIAL LOW? THE AREA SHOWN IN PURPLE IS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THEY ARE SEEKING.
AGAIN, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR BOTH OF THESE PARCELS.
ALTHOUGH THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA IS PARCEL ZERO IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
THE 1810 PARK IS RESIDENTIAL, SO THEY ARE SEEKING AGAIN TO ADD INDUSTRIAL ZONING RIGHT HERE TO ACCESS THIS PROPERTY IN THE REAR. I JUST KIND OF WENT OVER THAT.
THEY ARE SHOWING AND OF COURSE, THIS COULD CHANGE, BUT WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO DO IS TO HAVE ACCESS FROM PARK STREET THROUGH THIS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY AND REZONE THAT TO AN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE IN THE REAR OR ON THE WEST SIDE.
THEY ARE ALSO SHOWING A STORMWATER POND ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WE DO HAVE SEVERAL POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DEAL WITH THIS.
SO WE HAVE A POLICY, A POINT, 1.5.6 THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE LOCATED AND DESIGNED SO TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON RESIDENTIAL AREA, TRAFFIC FACILITIES AND ESTHETIC CHARACTER TO THE CITY.
THEN THERE'S POLICY 8.1 11.1 F LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IT SAYS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY SHOULD BE LIMITED TO LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION, STORAGE, WAREHOUSING, DISTRIBUTION USES AND FURTHER CONTROLLED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
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SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DUE TO NOISE, HEAT, FUMES, DEBRIS, CHEMICAL OR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.AGAIN, WE KIND OF GO INTO ADDITIONAL POLICIES.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU NEED TO USE TO MEASURE IT IS THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES AVAILABLE TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE ESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE CITY SHALL NOT IMPAIR OR DEGRADE SCENIC NATURAL VIEWS AND SEE.
THERE'S ANOTHER POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT YOUR CONSISTENCY WHEN YOU'RE REZONING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THE GOALS, THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE STATE PLANS AND THE NORTH FLORIDA STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY, AND THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER ADOPTED POLICIES IN THE CITY AND THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, AND THAT THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE DEFICIENCIES IN ADJUSTED LEVEL OF SERVICE ADVERSELY IMPACT WATER SUPPLIES, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DID VOTE ON THIS.
THEY VOTED NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COMMISSION BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I WENT OVER IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE GROUNDS FOR THE DECISION FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOULD BE REVIEWED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCOURAGES AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE DENSITY WITHIN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, AND THAT THE PROPERTY DOESN'T CONTAIN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF.
SO 1800 MAYPORT ROAD, THAT BLIGHTED BLOCK THAT'S OWNED BY THE SAME LANDOWNER, THAT IS.
CAN HE NOT PUT HIS WAREHOUSE ON THAT LAND THAT HE ALREADY OWNS THAT IS ALREADY ZONED? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THAT LAND THAT HE ALREADY OWNS IS ALREADY ZONED, AND NO ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ON OUR PART.
THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF EDGAR, ACTUALLY, AND MAYPORT ROAD IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
IT IS IN THE MARSH OAKS BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HIS PROPOSED LAND USES TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS LANDOWNER DOES NOT RESPECT OUR LAND CODES.
THAT THEY'VE BEEN CITED MANY TIMES BY THE, YOU KNOW, BY BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE PROVIDED MINIMAL RESPONSE. COMMISSIONER RING.
SO THIS IS ZONED THIS IS ZERO.
IT IS CURRENTLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING, SO IN THEORY HE COULD BUILD A BUILDING THERE CURRENTLY, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS AND THE 1810 PARK STREET.
HE WANTS TO TURN INTO A DRIVEWAY AND A RETENTION POND.
THAT PART THAT PART IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND WOULD NEED A REZONING TO DO SO.
YES. CITY MANAGER AMANDA, BUT THE SITE HAS A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORY ON IT, RIGHT? YES. DOES OUR PLAN ALLOW THE ZONING TO SUPERSEDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IT. TECHNICALLY, NO.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL LOW IN HERE, ALL OF THIS AREA IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN, IS IS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS INDUSTRIAL? IT IS BEING USED AS INDUSTRIAL HAS BEEN USED FOR MANY YEARS AS THE INDUSTRIAL.
SO UNDER THE LAND USE, UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT WOULD BE A NONCONFORMING USE.
CORRECT. SO IT COULD NOT BE EXPANDED.
RIGHT. IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE EXPANDED IN THAT AREA.
WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE AND I HATE TO GIVE UP LAND THAT COULD BECOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES
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OR A WAREHOUSE.THANK YOU. MAYBE YOU LEAVE IT TO ME OF THIS UP FOR YOU.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ANDREW HAGEMAN.
YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE NON-CONFORMING USE WITH THE FLUME CATEGORY, WE COULD STILL OPERATE ZERO ACRE AS AN OUTDOOR STORAGE OR SOMETHING.
WE WENT TO THE CITY ORIGINALLY SEEING IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE DEVIATION OR ANY SORT OF VARIANCE THAT COULD BE GRANTED AS IT RELATES TO 1810 PARK SO SIMPLY WE CAN ACCESS OUR LAND LOCKED ZERO ACRE.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THROUGH REZONING AND A FLUME CHANGE, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST OPTIMAL ROUTE TO GO.
SO, YOU KNOW, AMANDA, I THINK DID AN AMAZING JOB PRESENTING ALL OF THE PARTICULARITIES AS IT RELATES TO REZONING AND FLUE PLUME MAP AMENDMENT.
WE'RE WILLING TO DEED RESTRICT THAT PROPERTY SO THAT A STRUCTURE COULD NEVER BE BUILT THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL KIND OF RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO.
WE LOOKED INITIALLY TO AN EASEMENT FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
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OH, HERE WE GO. SO THE OWNER RIGHT HERE.
THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE AT THE TIME, AND IT'S MORE FEASIBLE TODAY.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK TO ACCESS THE SITE FROM MAYHEM VIA AN ALTERNATIVE EASEMENT.
AND AFTER KIND OF REVIEW OF THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF THAT, JUST KIND OF PAVING AND ROAD WORKING WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO EXPENSIVE TO FEASIBLY ACCESS FOR MAYHEM, WHICH IS, IT'S A PRETTY LONG DRIVE.
INTO THE SITE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN IMPEDIMENT TO THAT, TO THAT ISSUE.
NO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR SOME TIME NOW.
YES. COMMISSIONER. RING. WHAT ARE YOU USING IT FOR RIGHT NOW? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S VACANT.
WE HAD SOME VEHICLES STORED ON THE LOT.
WE'VE SINCE REMOVED THOSE VEHICLES AND HOPE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD RETURN THOSE VEHICLES AND JUST KIND OF MAKE IT A STORAGE.
AND YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM LEVEE TO MEALEY.
SO IF YOU LOOK RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT, I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOURS.
YOUR PROPERTY. I THINK IT'S YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT HERE, MARINE.
SO WE WOULD REQUIRE AN EASEMENT, WHICH ISN'T FEASIBLE FOR US AT THE TIME.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO GET AN EASEMENT, THEN THAT THAT COULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE.
BUT AS I STAND HERE TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT OR NOR SEE A PATH TO GETTING ONE.
WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS ARE YOU LOOKING TO PUT THAT BACK THERE? IT COULD BE ANYTHING. I MEAN, JUST SIMPLE WORK TRUCKS TO, YOU KNOW, CAUSE DIRT WORKS IS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEY HAVE HUGE TRUCKS, AND THEY GO IN FROM MAYPORT TO LEVY TO MEALY.
THEY WORK THEIR WAY AROUND TO BYPASS ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IF THAT EASEMENT WAS FEASIBLE TO US OR WE HAD ACCESS TO IT, WE WOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO USE IT.
JUST TODAY WE DON'T HAVE THAT EASEMENT.
ROAD DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S READY FOR HEAVY DUTY TRAFFIC.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT EDGAR OR.
I MEAN, SHORT OF MAYBE TEN FEET, WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE USING PARK STREET MUCH.
WE'D REALLY BE COMING OFF OF EDGAR AND KIND OF JUST TURNING INTO PARK.
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OTHER QUESTIONS.OKAY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHO DOES OWN THE PROPERTY DUE WEST OF THE LARGE PARCEL? THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST A READING TONIGHT.
YES. YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT TO STAND BY, WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN IF NECESSARY, WE CAN.
THE ONLY SLIP I GOT WAS FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE BLUE SQUARE OR RECTANGLE, THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY.
I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE I BUILT A HOME ACROSS THE STREET FOR HABITAT.
BUT THEN IT GOES INTO THE INDUSTRIAL AND TO THE POINT MADE BY COMMISSIONER RING.
TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS DIRT WORKS.
THERE'S NOTHING MORE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING THAN THAT.
THE CHALLENGE IS, AND I HEAR THE APPLICANT ON THE ABILITY TO DEED RESTRICT THE BLUE PARCEL IF CHANGED ON THE ZONING TO RESTRICT IT TO WHERE IT COULD NOT BE CONVERTED ON THE DEVELOPMENT TO YET ANOTHER BUILDING OR WHATEVER IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS WORKS, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
SO, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, CAN YOU CLARIFY IF WE APPROVED THIS CHANGE AND THE APPLICANT CHANGED WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE COMMITTED TO THE LAND USE CHANGE AND THE ZONING.
SO IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING, YOU CAN'T CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THOSE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE THE ACTUAL IMPACT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTIAL STREET KNOWN AS PARK STREET.
OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY, IF WE DID ACTUALLY HAVE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE PROPERTY FROM THE NORTH, THE IMPACT IS, IS ACTUALLY MINIMAL AND MAYBE EVEN GOOD BECAUSE ALL IT IS A RETENTION POND AND A DRIVEWAY.
SO THE ISSUE BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IS, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE STORY, THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE CHANGED IN WHAT IS DEVELOPED ON IT FROM THE CURRENT REQUEST, WHICH IS TO ACTUALLY PUT A STORMWATER POND AND A DRIVEWAY.
SO COMMISSIONER BOLE, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? I STUDIED IT AND I'M WELL AWARE.
OKAY. KIND OF DECIDE. ALL RIGHT.
THEN HEARING NONE DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 31, DASH 24, DASH 18.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO SAY I SEE ANOTHER WAY, MR. HAGEMAN. TO ACCESS THE SAME WAY THAT DIRT WORKS, ACCESS IT, WHICH IS THROUGH LEVEE TO MEALY AND NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET WHEN YOU DRIVE, WHICH I DID ALL THE WAY DOWN EDGAR FROM MAYPORT.
AND I AM JUST NOT OKAY AS A COMMISSIONER AS A FELLOW CITIZEN APPROVING THIS, NOT JUST ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS WILL BE THERE, BUT ANY, IF YOU DON'T END UP GOING GO IF YOU DON'T END UP KEEPING THIS LOT, CHANGING THE FLUME MEANS CHANGING FOREVER.
WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE? SO I WOULD LIKE TO NIP IT IN THE BUD.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY TO GO LEVEE TO NEELY AND ACCESS IT THE SAME WAY DIRT WORKS, AND PERHAPS TRY TO SEEK OUT THAT EASEMENT.
YES, IF I MAY CLARIFY THE MOTION.
THE MOTION WAS TO MOVE, TO DENY BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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ENVIRONMENT, THE ESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE CITY AND SHALL NOT IMPAIR OR DEGRADE SCENIC NATURAL VIEWS.AND I AGREE THAT A AND C BOTH I DON'T HAVE A BACKUP, BUT A AND C BOTH REFER TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THERE ARE OTHER ADEQUATE FACILITIES FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
AND I'M REALLY AGAINST TAKING OUT POTENTIAL WORKFORCE WORK, WORKFORCE HOUSING, LAND.
SIT WITH THAT. OH I THOUGHT I SECOND.
YES. MORE INFORMATION CAME OUT.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO READ THAT AGAIN.
IT'S TOO LONG. COULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? COMMISSIONER. NUMBER FOUR.
THE PROPOSED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SHALL NOT COME TO PASS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
HEARING NONE. DONNA, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE, PLEASE? . THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 90, DASH 24, DASH 252.
[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 90-24-252, Public Hearing and First Reading]
PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING.AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA.
REZONING THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED AND ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TWO FAMILY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT WAS RG TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSE OR WAREHOUSING LIW PROVIDING FINDINGS OF FACT REQUIRING RECORDATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. KELLY. AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REPORT FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION? GOOD EVENING.
AMANDA ASKEW, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1810 PARK AVENUE, WHICH WAS THAT BLUE AREA, THE AREA THAT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EDGAR AND PARK STREET.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
OH, WE DO STILL HAVE TO DO THAT.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DO NOT, UNLESS THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SPEAK.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN? I ASKED IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION.
THANK YOU AGAIN. ANDREW HAGERMAN.
I APPRECIATE AND ACCEPT YOUR DENIAL ON THE LAST ONE QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO TWO ISSUES.
ONE, WOULD THE CITY CONSIDER SOME SORT OF DOMAIN SO THAT WE COULD GET ACCESS TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS WOULD THE CITY ENTERTAIN SOME SORT OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SO THAT WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT ON THE SITE? THOSE WOULD BE KIND OF MY TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD CERTAINLY BRING TO AMANDA AND THE CITY MANAGER.
YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DENY. ORDINANCE NUMBER 90, DASH 24, DASH 252.
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SECOND. AND A SECOND.OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.
CITY ATTORNEY, ACTING CITY ATTORNEY.
ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. NO COMMENTS TONIGHT.
OKAY. I THINK YOU EARNED YOUR PAYCHECK.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF SITTING THERE AND OBSERVING.
BUT THAT YOU CAN REPORT BACK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE DID NOT GET INTO TROUBLE TONIGHT, I HOPE.
AND SO, CITY CLERK DONNA ANY REPORTS I HAVE NOTHING.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
CITY COMMISSIONERS WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.YEAH. JUST TWO, TWO REAL QUICK THINGS.
AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY.
I KNOW THE CHIEF HAS DISCUSSED THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR VOICES ARE HEARD.
I THINK, I THINK I'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSION ENOUGH THAT I CAN TALK PARTICULARLY FOR OUR CITY.
YOU SAY THAT THE PARKS WILL COST $2,000, RIGHT? THE SIGN MIXING OR EVEN 15 MINUTES.
I WOULD RATHER GIVE THAT MONEY TO CHIEF VICK FOR A TRAINING DAY.
IN MY ESTIMATION, ONE SIXTH OF THAT, ONE SIXTH.
I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER RING. VERY GOOD NEWS.
SPEED TABLES 2 OR 3 SPEED TABLES ON MAIN STREET SHOULD GO UP AUGUST 14TH.
PLUS, THEY'RE LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 20MPH.
SO TWO DAYS FROM NOW, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT PROBLEM SOLVED.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WATERS.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING MORE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. NOTHING MORE.
SO I GET THE FINAL WORD, AND I DO WANT TO FINISH ON A POSITIVE NOTE.
I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING ABOUT PROTOCOL AND DECORUM IN THIS CHAMBER.
VERY GOOD. EVERYBODY DID SO GOOD TODAY.
MR. LUBEZKI, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS LETTER.
THIS IS ON OCEAN WALK LETTERHEAD, AND IT WAS ADDRESSED TO ME.
AND HE STATES, I AM WRITING TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE OUTSTANDING ASSISTANCE.
STEVE SWANN, CITY ENGINEER, HAS PROVIDED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE OCEAN WALK COMMUNITY.
I WAS SELECTED BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO LOOK UP DURING THE MEETING WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE LAKE LEVELS.
SINCE I LIVE ON ONE OF THEM, I WAS NOT SELECTED FOR MY SKILL IN THIS AREA.
SO NOT KNOWING WHERE TO TURN, I REACHED OUT TO STEVE.
HOWEVER, HE OFFERED TO HELP ME THROUGH MY TASK AND EXHIBITED A POSITIVE ATTITUDE, WILLINGNESS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND HELPED EDUCATE ME ON HOW THE LAKE SYSTEMS ARE USED FOR STORMWATER RETENTION AND HOW THESE LAKES CAN AFFECT NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH OVERALL.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY FOR STEVE TO INFORM ME THAT THIS WAS AN OCEAN WALK ISSUE AND TO HIRE OUR OWN ENGINEER, BUT INSTEAD HE STEPPED FORWARD TO HELP WITH HIS EXPERTISE AND CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT AS CITY ENGINEER.
I WISH TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO YOU, MAYOR FORD, FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE CITY ENGINEER AND TEAM.
YOUR COMMITMENT TO INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS HAS HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR CITY, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE GREAT PROGRESS. SINCERELY, LEILA BECKIE, TREASURER OF OCEAN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND I WISH STEVE WAS HERE TO HEAR THIS, BUT HE'LL GET A COPY OF THE LETTER.
THANK YOU AGAIN. I THINK WHAT THE REASON FOR FINISHING WITH THIS IS TO PUNCTUATE WHAT IS RIGHT IN OUR CITY AND WHAT WE ASPIRE TO BE, AND THAT IS SERVICE ORIENTED. OUR CITIZENS COME FIRST, AND WE TREAT OUR CITIZENS SO CAREFULLY THAT THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE MATTERS. AND THAT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE WHERE EASILY, AS YOU SAID, IT WASN'T THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
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IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OCEAN WALL.BUT I THINK STEVE SWANN FOR MAKING THE CITY LOOK GOOD.
AND I WANT TO PROMOTE THAT THROUGHOUT OUR CITY WITH ALL OF OUR STAFF.
AND THANK YOU. PLEASE COMMEND HIM FOR THAT.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH IF THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.