Aug 26, 2024 Commission Meeting

I MIGHT HAVE TO GAMBLE ON THAT.

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[CALL TO ORDER]

DEAR GOD, I PRAY THAT THIS COMMISSION FOR THIS COMMISSION MEETING TONIGHT GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS WISDOM AND GUIDANCE AS THEY DELIBERATE ON THE ITEMS BEFORE THEM. MAY EVERY DECISION BE RIGHTEOUS IN YOUR SIGHT, FOR OUR BENEFIT AND FOR YOUR GLORY.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN.

IF YOU'LL JOIN ME, PLEASE.

THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED AUGUST 26TH, 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

DONNA, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? THANK YOU DONNA. BEFORE I ACTUALLY GET INTO THE AGENDA, I WANT TO WELCOME A SPECIAL GUEST WITH US TODAY FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL SERVICES.

DEBBIE PLOTTS HAS JOINED US.

SHE REPRESENTS NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

THIS IS FROM THE OFFICE OF OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, JIMMY PATRONIS.

SO, DEBBIE, WELCOME TO ATLANTIC BEACH.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN WITH APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS.

HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED.

ITEM 1B, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 22ND, 2024 ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS.

OKAY. HEARING NONE, THOSE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED.

WE'LL MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

AND I KNOW WE HAVE MANY HERE.

DONNA, HAVE YOU TALLIED UP HOW MANY SPEAKERS WE HAVE TONIGHT? 14. OKAY.

RESIDENTS, I'LL ASK YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE A MYRIAD OF TOPICS TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS YOUR FORUM, AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF PRE-ANNOUNCE NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SHUT IT OFF RIGHT AWAY, BUT IN THE PAST, I'VE BEEN PRETTY LOOSE AND PRETTY FLEXIBLE ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK UP EVEN AFTER WE'VE CONCLUDED THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO START TO UNWIND THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE OUT OF HAND WHERE PEOPLE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT PEOPLE SPEAK AFTER WE'VE FINISHED AND NO SIGN IN.

SO I WANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT DECORUM AND STAY WITHIN OUR TIME FRAME.

THAT BEING SAID, DONNA, DO YOU WANT TO LEAD OFF WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER? DAN FRANKEL.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MANAGER.

SHORT AND SWEET. COULD I JUST GET AN UPDATE ON SECOND STREET PARKING? OKAY, WE DON'T UPDATE AT COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT GET AN UPDATE DURING THE MEETING.

VERY GOOD. I'LL YIELD MY TWO MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FRANKEL. HEATHER MARKAI.

HELLO EVERYONE.

AGAIN. MY NAME IS HEATHER MARKAI.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO FULLY INTO EVERYTHING WITH A LITTLE LESS TIME THAN NORMAL.

AND SARAH WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TONIGHT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, SHE WAS UNABLE TO.

SO SHE'LL BE REACHING OUT AT SOME POINT IN THE WITH EITHER A LETTER OR A PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO, I'M HERE TO KIND OF TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IN REGARDS TO BUDGET.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ON AND TO KIND OF LIST THEM OUT JUST TO SAVE TIME.

A FEW OF THEM ARE EDUCATE, WE WANT TO EDUCATE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ABOUT GREEN AND RESILIENT BUILDING ORDINANCES.

EDUCATE EVERYONE ON FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING GUIDELINES.

WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CHEMICAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND OTHER THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

WE'D LIKE TO WORK ON MEASURING THE ANNUAL HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH URBANIZED AREAS, THEY EXPERIENCE HIGHER TEMPERATURES THAN THOSE THAT ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, TREED AND FORESTED.

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AND THEN WE HAVE THE THINGS THAT I'M ALSO EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN, WHICH I WANTED TO KIND OF BRANCH INTO A LITTLE BIT AS WELL, WHICH ARE COMMUNITY GARDENS.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING FRUIT TREES THAT ARE PLANTED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY LIKE INNER CITY PARK, LIKE RUSSELL PARK ALONG THE WALKWAY WHERE WE HAVE AMPLE SUNSHINE AND WE HAVE WATER ACCESS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO EXPAND THAT, TO HAVE SOME GARDENING BEDS WHERE WE CAN PLANT SOME PEPPERS AND TOMATOES AND SOME OTHER FUN THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR IT'S FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MANY RESOURCES, BUT THEN ALSO FOR OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS AS THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND, THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE PARK, THEY'RE WANTING A SNACK.

YOU KNOW, EVERYONE USUALLY KNOWS WHERE A FAUCET OR A HOSE IS THAT YOU CAN GRAB A DRINK OF WATER.

BUT NOW WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE PLANTS WHERE IF THEY WANT A PIECE OF FRUIT, THEY CAN GO AND PICK IT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO GET INTO SOME CHERRY TOMATOES, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THAT'S ONE OF THE TYPES OF GARDENS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN.

THE OTHER ONE IS NATIVE GARDENING.

SO WITH NATIVE PLANT SPECIES THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ASK FOR TO KIND OF COVER ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS, A TOTAL BUDGET AMOUNT.

MY APOLOGIES, OF $63,740.

WE DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT WITH ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND MAKE EVERYTHING MUCH BETTER.

SO MY APOLOGIES, WE'RE DOWN TO 13 SECONDS, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. STEVE FOURACRE.

HOWDY. STEVE FOURACRE, 387 SIXTH STREET, ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND I'M AN IRRITATED CITIZEN.

YOU KNOW, STORMWATER REGULATIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS.

AND I SAW TODAY THIS ON THE AGENDA.

I'M SURE IT'S BEEN ON THERE THE FIVE DAYS THAT IT'S REQUIRED, BUT VERY RECENTLY IT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA BY OUR CURRENT OR ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA BY OUR CURRENT MAYOR, COMMISSIONER.

AND I'M FIRST OF ALL, WONDERING WHY.

THERE WAS NO LINK TO THE DRAFT THAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA PAGE.

SO I HAD TO REQUEST A COPY FROM THE CITY IN ORDER TO READ THAT DRAFT.

I IMPLORE THIS COMMISSION NOT TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

PLEASE DEFER THIS SO YOUR CITIZENS MAY DIGEST, REFLECT, AND WEIGH IN ON THIS DRAFT BEFORE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

AND I JUST LOST MY [INAUDIBLE] I'M READING MY OWN WRITING.

IT IS SO SNEAKY AND IT REEKS OF AN UNSPECIFIED AGENDA IN MY OPINION.

AND PLEASE DON'T TELL ME IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RECENT BIG RAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW IT DOESN'T.

I WAS PREPARED TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD SHOULD NOT BE THE INITIATOR OF CHANGES IN OUR STORM WATER REGULATIONS.

THEY ARE TALENTED CITIZENS, OF COURSE, BUT THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS IN THIS AREA AND THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION SHOULD NOT BE BASING THIS INITIATIVE ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

OUR CITY ENGINEER RESPONDED TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAID THAT MUCH OF THESE SUGGESTIONS NEEDED TO HAVE FURTHER CALCULATIONS AND TO BE CONSIDERED DURING THE CREATION OF THE 2024 STORM WATER MASTER PLAN.

I READ I WILL READ THE CITY ENGINEER'S CONCLUDING REMARKS, AND THAT'LL PROBABLY END MY TIME.

ATLANTIC BEACH IS FLAT, SURROUNDED BY WATER, AND HAS A HIGH GROUNDWATER TABLE, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF STORMWATER RUNOFF IN A COST EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT AND PERMISSIBLE MANNER.

AND NEXT TIME, I'LL FINISH WHAT I HAD TO SAY.

THANK YOU, MR. FORAY.

MARCUS PICKERING.

HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MARCUS PICKERING.

MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.

COMING OUT TONIGHT TO EXPRESS SOME CONCERN, SOME VERY REAL AND JUST PRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOODING OF OUR

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AND THEN ALSO TO HEAR TONIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF ALLOWING HOMES TO BE BUILT BIGGER ON LOTS IF THAT'S WHAT THIS STORMWATER ISSUE IS ABOUT. IT'S NOT.

OKAY. WELL THEN, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME, SOME MORE IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS TO THE FLOODING OF OUR HOMES ON KAVALA.

SO I KNOW THERE'S A BIG PROJECT THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT, AND IT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE ISSUES IN AQUATIC GARDENS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT MAY BE LEAVING OUT OUR HOMES ON KAVALA.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IS NOT A 100 YEAR STORM FLOODING EVENT.

WE'RE EXPERIENCING REGULAR FLOODING WITH JUST TWO INCHES OF RAIN INTO THE BACK OF OUR HOMES, AND IT'S COMING FROM HOPKINS CREEK.

YOU KNOW, I FIRST OF ALL, I JUST QUESTION WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOPKINS CREEK.

WHO OWNS IT? WHO HAS SOME LIABILITY FOR THE FLOODING INTO OUR HOMES? WE'RE HAVING TO REPAIR OUR HOMES OUT OF POCKET EVERY SINGLE TIME.

AND I CONSTANTLY SEND THE CITY MANAGER OR THE, YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR VIDEOS AND UPDATES ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUES AT OUR HOMES, HOW FREQUENT IT IS AND HOW SERIOUS IT IS, AND JUST NOT SEEING ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS OR MOVEMENT TO MAKE THE ISSUE BETTER AT ALL.

AND IT'S MAINLY AFFECTING JUST THE LAST EIGHT TOWNHOMES ON THE WEST SIDE OF CAVALLO BY THE AQUATIC GARDENS POND.

BUT WE'RE JUST EXPERIENCING A LOT OF LOSS.

SO THIS, THIS LATEST LOSS IS PROBABLY GOING TO COST ME MY ENTIRE YEARLY RAISE FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR TEACHERS, AND WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A VERY, IT'S A VERY PALTRY AMOUNT, OF COURSE, ANYWAY, BUT STILL GRATEFUL FOR IT, OF COURSE.

BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ERASED NOW BY THIS JUST ONE LITTLE FLOOD EVENT.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY, YOU KNOW, FLOODS WE FREQUENTLY HAVE BEHIND THE TOWNHOMES COMING FROM HOPKINS CREEK.

BUT THIS TIME, WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME AND THE MAYOR'S WIFE WAS VERY GRACIOUS TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME IN MY TIME OF NEED, BUT I WAS LETTING THEM KNOW AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING THAT I WAS SUSPECTING THAT THAT POND WAS ABOUT TO FLOOD OVER INTO OUR HOMES AND ALL THE AQUATIC GARDENS HOMES.

AND THAT WOULD BE A MULTI-MILLION LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, TENS OF MILLION DOLLAR LOSS, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR LOSS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS LAST TIME IN 2015.

AND WE WERE ABOUT A HALF INCH AWAY FROM THAT COMING INTO OUR HOME AND BEING A COMPLETE FLOOD LOSS.

WE JUST LOST THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE THIS TIME.

BUT THIS IS JUST A REGULAR OCCURRENCE AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK TO THAT TONIGHT AS WELL, I'M SURE.

BUT ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO HELP US, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT JUST BEING EXPEDITED.

EVEN IF YOU WIDEN THE DITCH BY TEN FEET, SOMETHING HAS TO BE BETTER THAN NOTHING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, MAYOR.

THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT AND COMING OUT TO SEE US AND YOU AND YOUR WIFE AND CHECKING ON US, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OFFERS OF HELP THAT EVERYONE'S GIVEN US.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PICKERING, AND GOOD ON THE TIMING.

CHRISSY OLSON.

THANK YOU. HI.

MY NAME IS CHRISSY OLSON.

I'M MARCUS PICKERING'S WIFE.

WE'RE BOTH TEACHERS.

AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOODING AT 3 A.M.

ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND ALL OF THE TEACHER TIREDNESS.

I WAS SLEEPING AND I WOKE UP TO THE RAIN AND HAVING A LOT OF POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, I'LL CALL IT FROM 2015, WHERE OUR WHOLE BOTTOM OF OUR HOUSE FLOODED.

I SAT UP AND SAID, MARCUS, I THINK WE SHOULD CHECK THE BACK.

IT'S BEEN RAINING A LONG TIME AND WE DO THIS REALLY FREQUENTLY.

SO HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

SO THEN I LOOKED AND HE WAS GONE, AND I WENT DOWNSTAIRS AND HE WAS ALREADY MOVING OUR FURNITURE FROM THE BACK ROOM INTO THE HOUSE.

AND THEN HE WAS RUNNING OUT TO GET OUR CARS TO TAKE THEM TO HIGHER GROUND BECAUSE WE LOST BOTH OF OUR CARS LAST TIME WE WERE FLOODED.

SO HE GOT BOTH OF OUR CARS SAFELY.

SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS DID NOT.

WE HAD A MATTER OF MINUTES TO CHOOSE.

LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAVE? OUR DAUGHTER IS SHE'S A COLLEGE STUDENT AND SHE IS AT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

BUT SHE WAS IN SCHOOL HERE AT FLETCHER DURING COVID, AND SHE HAD A LOT OF STRUGGLES WITH MENTAL HEALTH.

AND SHE PERSEVERED.

AND SHE WENT TO FSCJ, WHERE SHE WORKED HER BEHIND OFF FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TO GET STRAIGHT A'S.

AND SHE JUST TRANSFERRED INTO UF.

AND WE'RE SO PROUD OF HER AND HER GRIT AND HER DETERMINATION.

BUT SHE I TALKED TO HER AND INSTEAD OF SAYING, HOW ARE YOUR CLASSES, BABY? HOW ARE YOU DOING? INSTEAD OF TALKING TO HER ABOUT THAT, I HAD TO TELL HER ABOUT THIS.

AND TODAY I CALLED HER ON MY WAY HOME.

I'M SORRY. SHE WOULDN'T TELL ME ABOUT HER CLASSES BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE OKAY.

I'M SORRY, BUT WE'RE BOTH TEACHERS, AND WE GIVE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO THIS COMMUNITY AND MY COMMUNITY OVER IN RIVERSIDE.

AND IT MAKES ME SAD TO THINK, AND I.

MAYOR FORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT.

BUT IT MAKES ME SAD TO THINK THAT THIS ISN'T A PRIORITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE GIVE.

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AND I'M HOPEFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE I BECAME A TEACHER BECAUSE I'M A VERY HOPEFUL PERSON, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOOD IN PEOPLE.

AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING FOR ISSUES, EVEN IF IT IS JUST A LITTLE COMMUNITY.

SO, I HOPE THAT FOR US AND FOR THE VETERANS WHO LIVE ON THE CORNER, WHO ARE IN THEIR 80S AND 90S, WHO ARE HAVING TO NOW SOMEHOW SEEK HELP FROM THEIR FAMILIES TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME HOPE, AND I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN YOU ALL THAT YOU'LL MAKE A GOOD CHOICE.

AS I SAY TO MY KIDS, EVERY DAY IS A NEW DAY TO MAKE A GOOD CHOICE, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT NOW WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH FIGURING OUT HOW TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

MAYBE PUMPING THE POND FOR NOW.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY LOVELY IF YOU GUYS WOULD JUST CONSIDER TRYING TO EXPEDITE IT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MRS. PICKERING.

SANDRA MARTIN.

OH, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GROW IF I COME BACK HERE.

MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.

CITY MANAGER.

MY NAME IS SANDRA MARTIN.

I LIVE AT 2205 FLEET LANDING BOULEVARD.

AND I'M HERE AGAIN TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR VOTE TO NAME THE PASSIVE PARK ON DEWEESE AVENUE IN MEMORY OF ELEANOR AND GARNETTT ASHBY.

YOU HAVE THEIR BIOS.

YOU HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

DOUG MILNE, BILL GULLIFORD AND BILL PARMENTER, WHO HAS HELPED ME WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS PARK IS MARVIN GARDENS, IT HAS NEVER BEEN OFFICIALLY NAMED SUCH.

AND ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL A FAMILIAR NAME, WHAT MAKES IT FAMILIAR? WHAT COMES TO MIND? WELL, GENERATIONS OF KIDS HAVE PLAYED AND STILL PLAY THE BOARD GAME MONOPOLY.

AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE KNOWN AS MARVIN, MARVIN GARDENS.

AND YOU PROBABLY PLAYED IT AND LANDED ON MARVIN GARDENS, EITHER WITH YOUR CHILDREN OR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.

IT WAS PART OF OUR CULTURE IN THOSE DAYS.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE A DOG RUNNING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD NAMED MARVIN, WHICH IS RARE TO HAVE A DOG NAMED MARVIN IT'S AN EASY LEAP TO JOKINGLY THINK OF THIS SMALL PLOT OF LAND.

MARVIN GARDEN.

THUS, THAT WOODBURN SIGN ON THE TREE WAS A PRINTED VERSION OF THE LIGHTHEARTED CULTURAL JOKE.

BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF PARKS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND I'D LIKE TO LET US CONTINUE THE TRADITION OF NAMING OUR PARKS FOR PEOPLE WHO DESERVE THE HONOR.

SO PLEASE VOTE TO OFFICIALLY PLACE THE NAMES OF GARNETT AND ELEANOR ASHBY ON OUR PARK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN.

BILL GULLIFORD.

GOOD EVENING. IF I DON'T USE ALL OF MY TIME, CAN I BANK IT FOR IF I EVER COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION? JUST ADD IT TO THAT TIME.

PROBABLY. PROBABLY NOT.

OKAY. I FIGURED YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT.

BILL GULLIFORD, 75 BEACH AVENUE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

I WON'T TAKE ALL THAT TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, AS SANDY SAID, I'M IN SUPPORT OF NAMING THAT PARK.

YOU KNOW, THE SAD PART ABOUT NAMING THINGS AFTER PEOPLE IS SO MANY TIMES THE FOLKS THAT MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ARE INVOLVED.

NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NAME SOMETHING FOR.

AND I WAS BLESSED TO KNOW GARNETT AND ELEANOR ASHBY.

I THINK SOME OF YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE THAT ELEANOR ASHBY MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT THE ENTIRE AREA WITH HER PARTICIPATION AND LEADERSHIP IN LEADERSHIP JACKSONVILLE.

AND SHE WAS VERY CIVIC MINDED.

SHE DID A LOT OF THINGS IN ATLANTIC BEACH, AND SHE DRAGGED GARNETT ALONG, SO HE HAD TO DO THE SAME THINGS.

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AND I WOULD JUST URGE YOU, I THINK THAT'S AN HONOR WELL DESERVED.

AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO BESTOW THAT HONOR ON THE TWO OF THEM.

THEY WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

AND I'M FEEL THAT IT WAS A TREASURE FOR ME TO HAVE KNOWN THEM AS WELL AS I DID.

AND I KNOW DOUG MELANIE, WHO'S BEEN A LONG TERM FRIEND.

DOUG KNEW GARNETT AND ELEANOR VERY, VERY WELL.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE GET THAT YOU'RE SERIOUS AND AFFIRMATIVE CONSIDERATION.

I'VE GOT A MINUTE AND 30S LEFT.

I'LL EXPECT TO ADD THAT TO MY NEXT TIME HERE IF IT EVER HAPPENS.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COURTESY.

THANK YOU, MR. GULLIFORD.

ROBERT RUFFIN.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROBERT RUFFIN.

I'M A RESIDENT AND PROPERTY OWNER AT 842 CAVALLO ROAD, ATLANTIC BEACH, AND I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RECENT FLOODING AND KIND OF WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN DOING TO HELP US OUT IN THE PAST AND WONDERING HOW WE CAN KIND OF KEEP IT IN THE FUTURE TO BETTER PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND.

SO THE LAST TIME WE CAME UP HERE WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY SINCE HAD SENT PEOPLE OUT TO DO PERIODIC MAINTENANCE AND PREVENTATIVE MEASURES, SUCH AS PUTTING A PUMP OUT IN THE RETENTION POND A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST OF US, AS WELL AS DIGGING AND EXTENDING OUR SWALE.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO PROBABLY HAPPEN AGAIN AND CONTINUE WITH SOME OF THESE MEASURES.

IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE CULVERTS ARE VERY CLOGGED UP WITH SAND, SO IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO PROBABLY CLEAN THOSE OUT AS WELL.

AGAIN, TWO PIPES THAT ARE HALF FULL OF SAND WERE KIND OF RESTRICTING THE FLOW GOING DOWN IT.

AND AGAIN WAKING UP TO THAT NEWS ON SATURDAY MORNING AND COMING BACK AND TRYING TO CLEAR EVERYTHING OUT, STARTING TO CUT OUT DRYWALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE COMING OUT OF POCKET. I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL SYMPATHIZE WITH IT, AS MARCUS AND CHRISTIE HAVE BOTH MENTIONED.

WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE DIDN'T GET ANY HIGHER THIS GO ROUND, BUT WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING AGAIN? AS YOU GUYS HAVE MENTIONED, YOU HAVE A BETTER PLAN COMING IN THAT'S JUST WAITING ON STATE APPROVAL.

BUT I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES FROM THE CITY WOULD JUST BE VERY ADVANTAGEOUS AND VERY HELPFUL FOR US.

SO, I'D REALLY LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO COME BY AND CHECK THEM OUT, AND ANY HELP THAT YOU CAN GIVE US WILL DEFINITELY BE APPRECIATED FROM OUR END.

AND WE'LL WAIT TO KIND OF HEAR AN UPDATE ABOUT THE PLAN THAT'S MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ROBERT.

JOHN REICH.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN REICH.

I LIVE AT 1852 BEACHSIDE COURT, BUT I OWN 836 KAVALA.

MY SON, MY SON LIVES THERE.

I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT MY NEIGHBORS SAY THERE.

WE'VE GONE DOWN A LONG ROAD WITH FLOODING IN THIS PLACE, AND THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF PLANS AND PROMISES AND NOTHING.

YEAH, IT SAME THING HAPPENED.

REALLY? HERE TONIGHT? I KNOW THAT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP US MITIGATE THE COST AND THE EFFORT AND THE ACTUAL TEARS THAT HAVE OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING.

BUT IF YOU COULD AT LEAST DO SOME MITIGATION AND WE TALKED, YOU HEARD TONIGHT, WHETHER IT'S DREDGING, WHETHER IT'S PUMPING, WHETHER IT'S WE REALLY DON'T CARE RIGHT NOW. WE JUST NEED WE JUST NEED HELP.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WEEK.

WE THOUGHT NINE YEARS AGO THAT WAS 100 YEAR FLOOD.

WELL, IT TURNS OUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S BEEN HERE THREE TIMES IN THE LAST THREE TIMES IN THE LAST NINE YEARS.

SO WE CAN ONLY EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

WE NEED SOME IMMEDIATE RELIEF.

BUT THAT SAID, I ALSO WANT TO QUICKLY SEGUE INTO PARKING ON 18TH STREET.

IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AFTER PAID PARKING HAS COME IN, I'VE HAD THE MOST CALM, PEACEFUL SUMMERS THAT I'VE HAD IN THE 15 YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE, AND I GOT TO THANK EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR GOING DOWN THAT LONG ROAD AND TO GET THE PAID PARKING. THE ENFORCEMENT IS AWESOME.

PAID PARKING IS AWESOME.

WE'VE GOT YOU GOT GOOD CIRCULATION.

YOU'VE GOT HAPPY FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN.

WE'VE GOT A CLEAN PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO PARK FOR A FEW HOURS, GO OUT TO THE BEACH AND THEN COME BACK AND REALLY THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MR. WRIGHT.

SUZANNE BARKER.

GOOD EVENING. SUZANNE BARKER, 1938, BEACHSIDE COURT.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING ON STORM WATER AND THE DRAFT.

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BUT I, I WOULD LIKE YOU WHEN YOU CONSIDER ANY THESE CHANGES? I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

NUMBER ONE, HOW WILL THESE CHANGES BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH? NUMBER TWO HOW WILL THESE CHANGES IMPROVE OUR RESILIENCY AND STORM WATER PLAN? NUMBER THREE, WHY ARE WE MAKING THESE CHANGES NOW? AND I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS HOW I FEEL.

I THINK INCREASING SWIMMING POOLS TO 75% IS THE WRONG MOVE.

IT'S AT 50%.

THAT'S WORKING FINE.

WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE DIFFERENT FLOODING.

AND DESPITE WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY, THERE ARE POOLS THAT FLOOD THAT I HAVE.

A NEIGHBOR LIVES NEXT TO A POOL OWNER.

AND THE POOL.

WITH THIS LAST RAIN OVER FLOODED.

ALSO CHANGING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WILL BE CHANGED FROM 250.

NO. PERVIOUS SURFACE.

IMPERVIOUS TRIGGER WILL BE 400FT² WHERE YOU HAVE TO RETAIN STORMWATER ON YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT WILL ADD 25% TO A LOT THAT HAS GONE BY THE REGULATIONS OF A 45% HOME, WHICH IS THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.

BUT MOST OF THE HOMES THAT I SEE ARE, YOU KNOW, BUILT KIND OF LOT IN, A LOT IN TO LOT END.

SO THAT WOULD INCREASE MORE THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE WATER.

SO MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MEANS MORE WATER.

AND SO TO ANSWER NUMBER TWO HOW DOES IT HELP WITH OUR STORMWATER? THAT WE HAVE TO USE EVERYTHING IN OUR TOOLBOX.

WE HAVE TO USE THE ONSITE STORMWATER STORAGE, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.

AND NUMBER THREE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE WAIT AND HAVE THE NEXT STUDY ON STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN OUR HANDS REGARDING ALL OF THE AREAS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BARKER.

DOLLY MCCORMICK.

HI. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR WIFE FOR COMING TO ATLANTIC GARDENS TO SEE HOW MUCH WE STUDIED. AND I AGREE WITH YOU PEOPLE IN THE KAVALA.

I WAS ABOUT TWO FEET FROM THE GET INTO MY HOUSE, AND THAT'S JUST A REGULAR STORM NOW.

DOLLY, CAN YOU PULL THAT MIC? I'M SORRY. NO. THAT'S OKAY.

IS THAT CLOSE? WE WANT TO RECORD.

YES. OH, OKAY.

IS THAT GOOD? YES IT IS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR PUMP PUT BY OUR POND AND LEFT THERE UNTIL THIS CULVERT SITUATION AND EVERYTHING IS STARTED AND DONE AND COMPLETED.

BECAUSE. TROPICAL STORMS, THEY'RE NOT TRUSTWORTHY.

YOU HAVE MORE GETAWAY TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH HURRICANES, TROPICAL STORMS. YOU DON'T. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT WEATHERMAN SAYS.

OH, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE TWO INCHES AND IT'S MOVING FAST.

WELL, THAT WASN'T TWO INCHES.

AND IT STOPPED DEAD OVER AQUATIC GARDENS AND KAVALA.

SO YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM.

SO I THINK WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TROPICAL STORM OF ANY GREAT WATER.

THE PUMP NEEDS TO BE THERE TO START PUMPING DOWN.

ALSO THE DRAIN THAT GOES OUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE POND INTO ONE OF THE DITCHES THAT DIDN'T CLOSE.

NO ONE CAME AND CLOSED THAT.

SO ALL THAT WATER FROM THOSE DITCHES FILLED UP THE POND, SO IT FLOODED IT.

AND THEN OUR STREET COULD NOT DRAIN.

AND WHEN WE DON'T DRAIN AND THE POND DOESN'T DRAIN LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, KAVALA GETS FLOODED ALONG WITH US.

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BUT WE NEED SOMETHING NOW TO ALLEVIATE THE SITUATION.

AND I THINK BEING WE GOT THAT PUMP, PUT IT THERE AND LEAVE IT THERE AND USE IT AND CLOSE THAT GATE.

AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT PTSD IS TO FLOODING IS NO LAUGHING MATTER AT ALL.

AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T SWIM.

THANK YOU, MISS MCCORMICK.

MARTY LOUBOUTIN.

SO YOU ALL KNOW ME.

OKAY, SO THAT FLOODING THE OTHER DAY I SLEPT THROUGH IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

MY CAT KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE CAME AND BOP ME IN THE HEAD A FEW TIMES.

I GOT UP TO TAKE MY DOG FOR A WALK, WALKED OUT AND SAID, WHAT THE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS RAINING.

NOW THAT RAINED SO HARD THAT I FOUND THAT MY NEW ROOF LEAKS GOT A FLOOD IN MY ONE BEDROOM.

GOT TO CLEAN THAT UP.

SO UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS BACK THERE BECAUSE THAT POND WAS THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY UP IN MY BACKYARD.

I HAVE PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM.

I WALK THROUGH HOWELL PARK, COULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER.

IT WAS A LAKE IN THERE.

WE NEED THAT PUMP LIKE SHE SAID THERE.

AND I KNOW, MARY, YOU CAME OVER AND I'M SORRY I MISSED YOU.

I HOPE TO SEND YOU A TEXT THAT THE PUMP NEEDS TO BE KEPT OVER THERE AND STAY THERE FOR THE SITUATION WE WENT THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT AGAIN. I'M STILL FIXING MY HOUSE UP FROM THAT 2015.

I LOOK LIKE I LIVE IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE BECAUSE IT'S JUST ME AND MY EX-HUSBAND WITH MY NECK THE WAY IT IS AFTER THAT DRUNK DRIVER HIT ME, I CAN'T DO MUCH.

SO IT'S TAKING ME THIS LONG TO FIX THAT HOUSE UP.

HE AND I HAD CRAPPY FLOOD INSURANCE BACK THEN.

I DON'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE NOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT.

NOBODY WANTS TO INSURE MY HOUSE BECAUSE I PAID IT OFF.

I DON'T HAVE ANY HURRICANE INSURANCE EITHER, SO I'M TRYING TO GET THAT.

BUT MY MAIN CONCERN WHEN I WENT TO BED AND I HEARD IT RAINING, I JUST SAID TO GOD.

I SAID, HEY, IF I FLOOD AGAIN, AT LEAST ALL THAT STUFF'S UP A LITTLE HIGHER THIS TIME AND DRYWALL CAN GET REPLACED.

BUT I WILL CHANGE IT OUT WITH PVC WALLS.

AFTER THIS I GO FOUR FEET UP.

THEY'RE COSTLY, BUT I WOULD DO IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM DO MORE WORK ON THAT DITCH, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN OUT SURVEYING IT AND THEY MOWED IT, BUT NOTHING'S BEEN DONE INSIDE THE DITCHES TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THE EDGES OFF.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DRAINAGE PUMP ALSO CLOSE LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, BECAUSE THAT POND WAS UP REALLY HIGH WHEN I GOT UP AND IT HAD BEEN IN MY YARD AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT BECAUSE I WAS TIRED.

BECAUSE THAT CAT KEEPS ME AWAKE A LOT AT NIGHT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT RAINED THAT HARD.

AND I WENT IN THE BEDROOM TWO DAYS AGO AND I SAID, WHERE DID ALL THIS WATER COME FROM? I THOUGHT, OH, I MUST HAVE STUCK A NAIL THROUGH A NEW BECAUSE I HAD IT REPIPED.

NO, IT WAS COMING THROUGH THE CEILING.

AND I HAVE A NEW ROOF. IT'S ONLY TWO YEARS OLD.

IT WAS RAINING THAT HARD.

IT GOT INTO MY CLOSET.

SO I'M GOING TO COVER IT UP.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT LITTLE WET STAIN, BUT IT WAS.

IT WAS VERY WET IN THERE, AND I WAS LIKE AND IT GOT INSIDE A ZIPPED PLASTIC BAG.

SO, I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, PUMP IT, GET US THOSE VILLAGE [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED BULKHEADS. BECAUSE IF YOU SEE THAT POND WHEN IT'S DRAINED, THERE'S A THREE FOOT DROP.

NOW, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WHEN THE WATER'S IN THERE.

BUT THERE IS A THREE FOOT DROP WHERE OUR PROPERTY WENT INTO THAT WATER.

I'M UP, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS LAVELLE.

PATTI NOTTINGHAM.

OKAY. I HAVE REINFORCEMENTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAVE.

I'M PATTI NOTTINGHAM.

THIS IS MY SISTER IN LAW, MEGAN NOTTINGHAM, ALSO NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

AND THIS IS EXHIBIT A, B, C AND D.

WE ALSO HAVE AN E THAT IS NOT WITH US TONIGHT.

BUT WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS.

I'M ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO GET EMOTIONAL OVER IT.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYBODY WHO IS INVOLVED IN GETTING OUR SPEED BUMPS PUT IN ON MAIN STREET.

I KNOW THAT IT WAS A LONG PROJECT.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT THAT WENT IN BEHIND THE SCENES AND THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS FROM ALL OF US.

BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU, THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A DIFFERENCE, THAT THE KIDS LIKE TO CHEER WHEN PEOPLE GO TOO FAST, AND NOW THEY'RE GETTING THE REPERCUSSIONS OF IT.

SO WE DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE 1200 BLOCK OF MAIN STREET THAT HAS THE MOST KIDS ALL THE SAME AGE THAT ARE OUT PLAYING MOST OFTEN.

WE'RE A VERY SOCIAL STREET.

YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE US AROUND, BUT WE DID MAKE A THANK YOU CARD.

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OKAY, IT'S CLOSE BY.

THAT'S FUNNY.

SURE. COMMISSIONER RING WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING OUR HOMES PUT IN.

SHE WAS ALWAYS ADVOCATING FOR US.

ALWAYS LET US KNOW AND COMMUNICATED THE NEXT STEPS.

AND WE ARE JUST SO, SO APPRECIATIVE OF ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK IN GETTING THIS DONE FOR US.

THANK YOU.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? SECOND, THAT I KNOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN A FEW, YOU KNOW, DURATIONS OF MINUTES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND I, I COMMEND YOU.

I REALLY THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A UNANIMOUS ALONG THE STREET.

I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T PLEASE 100% OF THE PEOPLE 100% OF THE TIME.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT WHOLE AREA.

I FEEL LIKE EVEN PEOPLE WALKING, JUST DOGS AND DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY, YOU KNOW, FROM BEING AT DAWN TO DUSK OR IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU, PATTY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PATTY, MEGAN NOTTINGHAM AND CHILDREN.

CHILDREN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

JACKIE BECKENBACH.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR.

ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER.

I WAS NOT PLANNING ON COMING HERE THIS EVENING UNTIL I GOT WIND THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LAST MINUTE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED TO HEAR, BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT AGENDA ITEMS HAD TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA IN ENOUGH TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST THOSE. SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT I WOULD SHOW UP TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRAFT STORM WATER, STORM WATER REGULATIONS, AND THE FACT THAT I FEEL LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO BE VERY VIGILANT IN MOVING TOWARDS RESILIENCY, RATHER THAN MAKING IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD MASSIVE HOMES AND COVER THEIR LOTS AND HAVE THEIR POOLS COUNT AS PERMEABLE SPOTS.

I KNOW I LIVE IN OCEAN WALK AND WE HAVE THREE HUGE RETENTION LAKES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ALLOWED ZERO PERMEABILITY FOR SWIMMING POOLS WITHIN OCEAN WALK, AND WE HAVE, I THINK, 79 FAMILIES WHO ACTUALLY HAVE POOLS. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL AS YOU ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, WHICH I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THIS, TO THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PREVENT FLOODING RATHER THAN ENCOURAGE MORE OF IT? AND CERTAINLY AFTER HEARING THE CITIZENS FROM KAVALA AND I THINK THE LAST MEETING I WAS AT, THERE WERE TWO HUGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT FLOODING AND WATER UP TO THEIR MAILBOXES.

AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A COMMUNITY TO TRY TO PREVENT SOME OF THAT, RATHER THAN WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE MORE COVERAGE OF LOTS WITH THESE MASSIVE HOMES THAT ARE NOT HELPING US WITH THE RESILIENCY ISSUES.

SO I JUST ASK YOU ALL TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, I KNOW YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.

I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

BUT I THINK IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO HELP US MOVING FORWARD RATHER THAN JUST TRYING TO MEET DEMANDS OF LOUD VOICES.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS BECKMAN.

BOLE KEVIN SMITH.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

TEAM SPEED BUMP ON MAIN STREET.

SHOUT OUT THERE. AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO EVERYBODY AFFECTED BY THE FLOODING.

BIG NIGHT. CAN'T FATHOM THAT.

MY NAME IS KEVIN SMITH.

I AM THE OWNER OF 950 ORCHID STREET AND I BIG FAN OF LIVING HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

WE JUST BOUGHT OUR HOME TWO YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BOY ON THE WAY, A LITTLE TWO YEAR OLD GIRL.

AND I'M.

I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS A JUST TALK ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

I KNOW YOU ALL ARE IN TALKS OF MAYBE RAISING THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO MY FAMILY.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE ITEMS SUCH AS WEED BLOWER OR WEED WHACKERS AND BLOWERS AND EVERYTHING THAT BELONGS IN A TYPICAL GARAGE.

AS WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE IN OUR HOME, THEY'RE LIVING IN OUR CLOSETS AND TAKING UP OUR TWO BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOMS. THERE'S ALREADY A SMALL SPACE TAKING UP OUR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT, ESSENTIALLY, AND WE REALLY NEED TO UTILIZE OUR BACKYARD.

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WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THESE GRANDIOSE PLANS OF INSTALLING A POOL OR ANYTHING CRAZY.

WE REALLY JUST WANTED A SMALL PAVER PATIO AND A LITTLE SHED IN THE BACK.

AND AS OF NOW, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 300FT² OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WE'D BE ADDING, AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ADD A BIG SIZE TAKER IF THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO ADD ALL THE RUNOFF AND WATER RETENTION PLANS, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY TAKE UP A SIZABLE PORTION OF OUR SMALL YARD ALREADY.

AND IT WOULD ALSO BE AN INCREDIBLE EXPENSE THAT OUR YOUNG FAMILY CAN'T REALLY AFFORD.

SO AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE IN TALKS OF POTENTIALLY RAISING THIS UP TO BE 400, AND THAT WOULD BE A BIG HELP TO MY FAMILY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER FORMS I HAVE, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE I PASSED TO YOU FROM SARAH BOREN.

AND SO I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO CHANGE OVERNIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT SIGNED IN? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

I PUT A FORM IN, BUT.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK.

YES, I'M BILL PERMENTO I LIVE AT 78 DEWEESE AVENUE AND I LIVE ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THE PARK.

IT'S A GREAT PARK, GREAT LITTLE PARK.

YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD THEM AND THEY'LL COME.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

THERE'S NOT MUCH ON THE PARK.

IT'S BASICALLY PASSIVE, BUT PEOPLE COME THERE ALL THE TIME FROM NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO FROM JAX BEACH AND NEPTUNE BEACH.

AND I WONDER WHY IT'S QUITE, QUITE A PLEASANT THING AND A GOOD USE OF THE LAND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT.

I WON'T KEEP YOU LONG.

WHEN I CONSIDER THE TRADITION OF NAMING PARKS AND GREEN SPACES AFTER CITIZENS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WELFARE OF THE CITY.

I'M SURPRISED THAT THIS LITTLE, LITTLE AREA HAS BEEN NAMED AFTER MARVIN.

BUT WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE DONNER AND BULL AND JOHANSEN AND RUSSELL AND WATERS PARK, TO NAME A FEW.

THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO COULD BE HONORED WITH THEIR NAME ON THE SIGN.

ELEANOR AND GARNETT LIVED NOT ADJACENT, BUT DOWN THE STREET NEAR THE PARK FOR MANY YEARS, AND WERE UPSTANDING CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR CITY.

SEEMS LIKE NAMING THE PARK AFTER THE ASHBYS WOULD BE A MORE FITTING TRADITION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PERMENTER. THAT IS IT.

THAT'S IT. BUT I WANT TO APOLOGIZE, MR. PARMENTER. I DID FIND YOUR CARD.

I ACCIDENTALLY STUCK IT IN THE ALREADY SPOKE PILE.

SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A LETTER FROM SOMEBODY WHO COULD NOT BE HERE.

AND IT IS MY.

SHE ASKED THE FIRST APPEAL SHE ASKED FOR TWO HAS TWO APPEALS FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE FIRST IS TO INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE IN THE SCOPE OF GRANTS AND NEEDS.

ASSESSMENT OF THE LENGTH OF THE LANGTON ASSOCIATES, INC.

CONTRACT, AND THE SECOND APPEAL IS FOR FUNDING FOR FOUR OF ESC'S PRIORITIES IN 2024-25.

AND THESE PRIORITIES ARE PLANNING IT.

THE SCOPE IS NARROWED DOWN HERE, BUT PLANTING TREES, ESTABLISHING COMMUNITY GARDENS, WHICH WE HEARD EARLIER EDUCATING ON RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RESILIENT AND ENERGY AND WATER EFFICIENCY OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THEN FINALLY TO MEASURE THE LOCAL HEAT ISLAND EFFECT IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

SO IF YOU WOULD ENTER THIS INTO THE MINUTES FOR US, DONNA, AND IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA, THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED.

MOVING NOW TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION.

BEFORE I USE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE SONGWRITER'S CONCERT AT 6 P.M.

AT BOLE PARK.

SEPTEMBER 22ND, WE HAVE ACOUSTIC NIGHT AT 6 P.M., ALSO AT BOLE PARK ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, THE FALL FESTIVAL AT 10 A.M.

AT GAIL BAKER.

ON OCTOBER 6TH, THE SONGWRITERS CONCERT AT 6 P.M.

AT BOLE PARK.

OCTOBER 19TH AT 10 A.M., THERE'S A TOWN HALL AT ADELE GRAVES.

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AND ON OCTOBER 20TH IS THE ANOTHER ACOUSTIC'S NIGHT AT 6 P.M.

AT BOLE PARK.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COUNCIL? YES, COMMISSIONER.

I THINK A COUPLE OF TIMES WE'VE BEEN TAKEN BY SURPRISE AT THE SCHEDULING OF TOWN HALLS.

WE'VE HAD SOME CONFLICTS.

IF WE COULD PLAN THEM FARTHER AHEAD SO THAT WE DON'T BUY TICKETS AND THEN GO, OH, WE HAVE TO BE HERE, RIGHT, I SECOND THAT.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR A YEAR, THEN WE COULD EASILY SLATE THAT OUT FURTHER IN ADVANCE.

THAT WAS OUR PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR, WAS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT ALL FOUR OF THEM OUT THERE.

I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE WOULD JUST PUBLISH THE DATES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR SO THAT THIS UPCOMING ONE IS THE LAST ONE. CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

YOU'RE NOT DOING CALENDARS.

FISCAL. GENTLEMAN, YOU JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION WE HAVE A 5:30 THURSDAY MEETING COMING OUT OF THE BUDGET.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90-DAY CALENDAR? YES. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

LET'S MOVE TO MR. KILLINGSWORTH. WHAT OTHER REPORT ITEMS? YES. I'D LIKE TO INVITE AMANDA UP TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE STORM WATER UPDATE.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A TOWN HALL WHERE WE WENT THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN HALL AND THROUGH THE COMMISSION, AND THE COMMISSION ASKED STAFF TO DRAFT A DRAFT ORDINANCE.

THAT DRAFT WOULD BE EMBEDDED IN CHAPTER 24.

THERE'S NO ACTION TONIGHT.

WE JUST WANTED TO PRESENT BASED ON WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD WAS SET AT THE TOWN HALL.

THE EARLIEST THIS CAN BE HEARD IS SEPTEMBER 23RD.

BECAUSE BY STATUTE, THIS REQUIRES A 14-DAY NOTICE.

IT'S A CHANGE FOR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND SO THE EARLIEST THAT ANY ACTION CAN TAKE PLACE BY SEPTEMBER 23RD.

BUT WE WANTED YOU ASKED US TO BRING YOU SOMETHING AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

SO WE'RE HERE WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE WE HEARD.

AMANDA. HI. GOOD EVENING.

AMANDA ASKEW, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I'M GOING TO RECAP THE TOWN HALL MEETING THAT WAS BACK IN JULY.

YOU RECALL WE HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING, AND THEN THERE WAS A PILOT PROJECT THAT WAS OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO THAT TOWN HALL MEETING OCCURRED AT THE END OF JULY.

AND IT WAS GIVEN, AND I CAN'T GET THE SLIDES TO MOVE.

OH, HERE WE GO. WAS GIVEN.

AND IT KIND OF WENT OVER OUR STORM WATER, AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK, JUST AS A REFRESHER.

RESILIENCY IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AS STAFF, AND IT IS THE ABILITY OF OUR CITY SYSTEMS TO ADAPT AND THRIVE IN THE FACE OF ACUTE SHOCKS AND CHRONIC STRESSORS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A CHRONIC STRESSOR.

WE HAD SOME FLOODING OVER THE WEEKEND THAT IS REPETITIVE FLOODING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SOME OF THE OTHER ACUTE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT ARE HIGH WINDS, EXTREME HEAT EVENTS, RAINFALLS.

THE OTHER CHRONIC THINGS ARE SEA LEVEL RISE HIGH TIDE FLOODING, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THE SEASON OF HIGH TIDE FLOODING, COASTAL EROSION, URBAN HEAT ISLAND AND AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS A RESILIENCY PLAN.

WE MIRROR SOME OF OUR SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME OF OUR PLANS, BUT WE LOOK TO THEM.

AND SOME OF THEIR IDEAS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO OUR PLANS.

WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SO FAR WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS IN PLACE.

THAT WE'RE SOME OF THEM ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE UPDATING THOSE.

BUT THE THREE THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH AND LOOKED AT ARE THE COASTAL VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, THE ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THE RESILIENCY ASSESSMENT.

IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE, THEY'RE CAN BE FOUND ON OUR PROJECT PAGE.

THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD INTERACTIVE MAPS IN THERE AS WELL.

YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT SEA LEVEL RISE AND POTENTIAL FLOODING AND RAIN EVENTS.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE HAD EXTREME RAIN EVENTS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIGH TIDE FLOODING.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY IN THE FALL, AND THEN THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS AREA ADDS TO ADDITIONAL FLOODING.

THERE ARE CONSTANTLY NEW REGULATIONS COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE REGARDING STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS HOW TO REDUCE THE NITROGEN AND THE POLLUTANTS BEFORE THEY EXIT OUR SYSTEM AND GET INTO THE INTERCOASTAL.

THERE'S TRENDS OVER TIME DOCUMENTED THAT SEA LEVEL RISE IS IS OCCURRING BACK IN THE 30S.

YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE DIAGONAL LINE IS KIND OF THE BASELINE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREND OVER TIME THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL RISE.

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YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

IT'S A SERIES OF PIPES, DITCHES, SWALES AND CANALS.

SOME OF THEM ARE INTERCONNECTED.

WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MODERNIZE.

MODERNIZE THEM, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THEM ARE RELATIVELY OLD.

SOME OF THEM ARE SILTED UP.

IT IS A CONSTANT ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WATER QUALITY.

TREATMENT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PROVIDED IN THE STORM WATER, WHICH AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT IT IS AN ISSUE ALL AROUND THE STATE.

OUR DESIGN GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE FLOODING, OR RESIDENTIAL HOMES, OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE FLOODING.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE DRAINAGE BASINS IN THE AREA WITH SHERMAN'S CREEK, PUCKETT CREEK, SHERMAN'S CANAL, HOPKINS CREEK, AND THE INTERCOASTAL.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY FAST, BUT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN AS YOU'RE COMING INTO A CITY HALL, THE DIFFERENT HIGH LEVEL WATER MARKS ALONG HERE IN SHERMAN CREEK.

WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING, NOT JUST WITH HURRICANES, BUT WITH RAIN EVENTS AS WELL.

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DISCUSSED THIS AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THEIR JULY MEETING, AND THEY WERE GIVEN TO YOU GUYS AT THAT TOWN HALL.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES.

BUT THE STORM WATER REGULATIONS ARE FOUND IN CHAPTER 24.

AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, IT IS A REGULATION.

THERE'S NO VOTES TONIGHT.

THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION.

ANYTHING FOR A VOTE HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU IN AN ORDINANCE FORMAT.

THERE'S TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE AT HOME KNOW THAT THERE'S NO VOTE TONIGHT.

SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS TO REMOVE THE TRIGGER FOR ON SITE STORMWATER FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT EXCEED 50% OF THE VALUE.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF YOU HAVE A HOME AND YOUR HOME IS VALUED AT $100,000 AND YOU WANTED TO ADD AN ADDITION, AND THE ADDITION WAS MORE THAN 50% OF THAT, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR ON SITE STORMWATER.

SO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS CONDITION OR THIS TRIGGER BE REMOVED AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY REMAINS AT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE 45% LOT COVERAGE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE.

SO YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP.

YOU WANT TO FINISH FIRST AND THEN TAKE QUESTIONS.

YOU WANT TO ANSWER THESE.

LET ME FINISH UP AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I MIGHT HIT ON A REALLY HEAVY.

I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST MAYOR AND THIS IS YOUR MEETING, BUT IT'S A REALLY HEAVY SLIDE EACH OF THESE.

SO I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE THE FACILITATOR IS TO STOP IN BETWEEN EACH.

YES. OKAY.

SO WE CAN MAKE THIS AVAILABLE, THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, I KNOW IT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TOWN HALL.

AS FAR AS A HEAVY RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD THE, THE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO STRIKE THROUGH THIS SECTION, THE TRIGGER REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS HAVING TO DO WITH MARKET VALUE, AND IT'S KEEPING THE 45% LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT.

RIGHT. SO WHAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS SAYING IS TAKE AWAY THE TRIGGER THAT HAS TO DO WITH MARKET VALUE.

AND I'M JUST SUMMARIZING.

SO PLEASE TELL ME IF THAT'S WRONG.

NO, THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WITH WHAT. NOTHING.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO TRIGGER BASED ON THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME, RIGHT? OKAY. THAT'S COOL.

SO AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU USED AN EXAMPLE IF SOMEBODY ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE.

BUT WE HAVE MANY EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY'RE JUST REMODELING AND UPGRADING THEIR HOME.

AND YET NOW THEY'RE IMPACTED TO COMPLY WITH OUR ON SITE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE TRIP THE 50% INCREASE IN VALUE.

SO I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN DRIVER.

I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE RECORD.

SO IF I MAY JUST IF YOU BUY A HOUSE, IT'S 1200FT².

YOU WANT TO REDO THE KITCHEN? YOU'VE NOW TRIGGERED THAT.

POTENTIALLY, IT DEPENDS ON THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.

MOST OF THE TIME.

WE FOUND THAT THIS IS TRIGGERED WITH A MUCH OLDER HOME.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN IN THE HOME FOR A LONG TIME.

THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT HERE.

SO IT WAS OF WHAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD BECAUSE I WATCHED THE JULY 16TH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETING AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DISCUSS IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN I WAS THERE FOR THE TOWN HALL AND THIS SAME PRESENTATION WAS PRESENTED.

NOTHING. SO I CAN SEE IT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE JULY 27TH.

SO NOW I REALLY WANTED, IF THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS IN BETWEEN EACH OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOW'S MY TIME.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

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NOW YOUR MARKET VALUE IS HIGHER.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT TRIGGERS THIS.

AND WHAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS SAYING TO REMOVE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION FROM MAYBE I WENT TOO FAST.

THIS THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS THE ONE TIME EXEMPTION, EXEMPTION FOR ON SITE STORM WATER.

AND THAT WAS TO REMOVE THIS TRIGGER FOR WILLFUL DEMOLITION AND REMODEL AND ALLOW FOR LEAVE IT IN THE CODE IF YOU HAVE A NATURAL DISASTER THAT YOU COULD REBUILD.

SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE THIS.

SO IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS AS FAR AS TEXT CHANGES, THIS SECTION OF THE CODE 2468 68 B SUB THREE WOULD BE STRICKEN THROUGH. THIS SORRY IF I'M TAKING ANYBODY'S TURN HERE BECAUSE I'VE JUST SPENT A COUPLE OF MONTHS STUDYING THIS THE BEST I CAN, BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, AMANDA, HAS TO DO WITH GETTING RID OF THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.

CORRECT. ONE TIME GRANDFATHER CLAUSE, WHICH IS, IN MY OPINION, HAS HURT OUR CITY.

SO, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME IN, PURCHASED A SMALL, OLDER HOME AND DEMOLISHED IT, AND THEN REBUILT TO THE SAME 45%.

BUT NOW THEY GOT TO USE THAT SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE PREVIOUS HOME.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE GETTING THOSE MCMANSIONS.

RIGHT. SOME OF THAT THE MCMANSIONS, IF YOU WILL, ARE SOME OF THEM MET THAT TRIGGER.

SOME OF THEM DID. AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

YEAH. SO IF I MADE THIS PROVISION REALLY GRANDFATHERED IN STRUCTURES AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT EXCEEDED 45%.

OKAY. AND SO WHAT IT GAVE THEM WAS A ONE TIME OPTION TO.

SO IF THEY WERE AT 60% IMPERVIOUS ON THE LOT, IT GAVE THEM A ONE TIME ABILITY TO TEAR ALL THAT DOWN AND BUILD BACK AT 60%.

RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE REST OF THE CITIZENS WHO ARE DRIVING AROUND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE HOUSE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS AND IT'S THIS HUGE HOUSE.

HOW DID THEY HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? THIS ACTUALLY REMOVES THAT OPTION.

CORRECT. OKAY.

SO THIS IS A GOOD THING.

IT IS A GOOD THING TO REMOVE THAT EXEMPTION.

YES. WELL LET ME JUST COMMENT.

GOOD IS A RELATIVE THING.

OKAY. SO LET'S UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHAT I THINK I CAN CLARIFY IS AT LEAST IN MY DISCUSSIONS, AND I WOULD LIKE THIS COMMISSION TO ENTERTAIN THIS IS AND I HEARD FROM SEVERAL CITIZENS, WE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWING BIGGER HOMES AND BIGGER FOOTPRINTS AND SO ON, AND WE SHOULD NOT NEGLECT OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ACTUALLY REVERSING SOMETHING THAT ALLOWED FOR CONTINUATION OF MASSIVE OVERBUILDING ON A ON A PROPERTY BY GRANDFATHERING IN TO ALLOW THE REBUILD OF SOMETHING THAT IS IN EXCESS OF OUR CURRENT CODE OF 45% LOT COVERAGE.

SO IF IF A HOME IS WITHIN 45%, OBVIOUSLY NO ISSUE, YOU REBUILD AND MEET WHATEVER OUR CODE IS.

AND THEN WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS WE STILL WOULD GIVE THE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CALL IT AN EXEMPTION, BUT WE WOULD GIVE THE EXEMPTION IF YOU LOST YOUR HOME TO A DISASTER, A FLOOD, A FIRE, A HURRICANE, WIND DAMAGE AND SO ON.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO REBUILD BACK IF IT EXCEEDED THE 45% LOT COVERAGE, BECAUSE IT WAS AN ACT OF GOD, IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'LL ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.

THERE'S ALWAYS A WRINKLE.

WE CALL THAT THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.

THE WRINKLE IS THAT IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED WORK.

OFTENTIMES, WE FIND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNPERMITTED WORK THAT THEY WOULDN'T GET GRANDFATHERED STATUS FOR.

LET ME HELP DRIVE THAT HOME, TOO.

IF PEOPLE DID, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT? THAT DOESN'T COUNT IN GRANDFATHERING THAT IN.

AND SO AND WE HAVE THE RECORDS AT LEAST BACK CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO, I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE GIVE AND TAKE.

THIS IS A GREAT IT'S A GIVE BACK.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT HUGE.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

BUT IT'S DIRECTIONALLY CORRECT THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE GRANDFATHERING IN HOMES THAT COVER 60, 70, 80% OF THE LOT.

THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT.

AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I WANT IT TO BE ON THE RECORD.

IT IS NOT MY INTENT AS THE LEADER ON THIS COMMISSION TO DO ANYTHING DESTRUCTIVE OR NEGATIVE IN IN MANAGING STORM WATER.

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WHY WOULD WE DENY OUR CITIZENS THE RELIEF THAT WOULD GIVE THEM A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE? IF WE CAN PROVE, AND I BELIEVE WE ARE DEMONSTRATING THAT IF WE CAN SHOW THAT A POOL HAS ENOUGH FREEBOARD TO ACTUALLY ABSORB THE RAINFALL, WHY WOULD WE DENY THAT AS AN ACTUAL ON SITE STORAGE VEHICLE? SO INSTEAD OF PENALIZING SOMEBODY WITH A POOL THAT HAS 6 OR 7 OR EIGHT INCHES OF FREEBOARD, WE SHOULD EMBRACING AND SAYING WE COULD USE A FEW MORE POOLS.

AND FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS HERE, UNDERSTAND THAT COOL DECKING THAT GOES AROUND THE RIBBON OF THE POOL, THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE IMPERMEABLE OR IMPERVIOUS BECAUSE BY THE VERY NATURE.

WELL, I SUPPOSE WE COULD GET INTO THAT BEING PERMEABLE PAVERS, BUT ASSUMING IT WAS COOL DECK ON TOP OF CONCRETE THAT IS NOT ALLOWED AS PERMEABLE SURFACE, BUT A POOL.

AND WE JUST DEMONSTRATED THAT IN THE LAST STORM, WE HAD SEVERAL DOZEN POOLS THAT CITIZENS SENT ME PICTURES OF THAT CAPTURED ALL OF THE RAINWATER IN THAT RECENT HURRICANE EVENT.

BUT I'M SORRY I WENT LONG ON THAT.

BACK TO YOU, AMANDA.

OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ONE TIME EXEMPTION? NOPE. OKAY.

THE NEXT SECTION THAT THEY WERE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A RECOMMENDATION ON IS TO INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS THE CODE REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS TO IF YOU INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BY 250FT², THAT YOU HAVE TO REQUIRE ON SITE STORMWATER.

THEY RECOMMENDED TO REMOVE THIS TRIGGER ALTOGETHER.

SO IT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THAT THE TRIGGER WAS FORMERLY SQUARE FEET.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

BUT THEIR RECOMMENDATION AGAIN IS JUST TO REMOVE THE TRIGGER ALTOGETHER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ADD 400FT² OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RUNOFF.

STAFF FEELS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ON SITE STORMWATER.

AND PERHAPS GOING BACK TO THE 400FT² WOULD, WOULD ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT, NOT JUST THE 250, BUT IF YOU WENT TO 400 YOU'RE STILL CAPTURING SOME STORMWATER ON SITE AND GIVING PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT LARGER ADDITION PERHAPS TO THEIR HOMES OR, OR PATIO. I MEAN, THE WHOLE THING IS WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE MORE LAND OUT OF CIRCULATION THAT COULD ABSORB THIS.

AND BY JUST LIKE WILLY NILLY, YOU CAN HAVE AN EXTRA 400FT² AND WE'LL PAY FOR YOUR RUNOFF.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS.

BECAUSE OR FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

YOU DIDN'T ADD 400FT².

WELL, STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND THAT NUMBER WE HAVE RECOMMENDED, OR AT LEAST THE PLANNING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE UPDATE OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

AND WE DO HAVE IT AS AN ENHANCEMENT IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET.

WE WOULD REALLY I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD REALLY LIKE BEFORE WE INSTITUTE ANY CHANGES IS TO HAVE THAT UPDATE.

BUT THAT DOES TAKE TIME SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET.

HOPEFULLY IT WILL COME PLUGGING.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

AND IF WE DO GET IT IN THE BUDGET, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THE PLAN BEFORE YOU.

SURE. SO YES, COMMISSIONER, MY QUESTION IS IF THIS INCREASES IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BY 250FT².

BUT THEN YET THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS THE TRIGGER BEING REMOVED WILL STILL REMAIN AT 45% LOT COVERAGE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED.

SO THE TRIGGER RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU HAVE A HOME AND YOU WANT TO ADD A GARAGE AND THE GARAGE IS 300FT² THE TRIGGER IS 250FT².

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING THAT'S LARGER THAN 250FT².

SO THE CODE SAYS THE 300 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ON SITE STORM WATER FOR THAT 300FT².

SO IT IS IT IS SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THE 45%, BUT IT'S A IT'S A MEASUREMENT THAT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT FOR ON SITE STORM WATER.

AND WE'RE NOT INCREASING LOT COVERAGE.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING LOT COVERAGE.

WE'RE MOVING THIS TRIGGER DOESN'T INCREASE THE LOT COVERAGE.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT LESSENS THE REQUIREMENT OF ON SITE STORMWATER RETENTION.

YES. FOR SMALLER FOR POTENTIALLY ANYTHING LESS THAN 400 OR WHATEVER NUMBER YOU GUYS COME UP WITH OR THEIR NUMBER IS 250.

YOU KNOW, THEIR NUMBER.

THEY WANT TO GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER.

NO TRIGGER, NO SQUARE FOOTAGE.

NO TRIGGER. STAFF IS LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE.

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THAT'S NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.

AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE THAT STORM WATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE TO SHOW THE SCIENCE WHAT'S POTENTIALLY NEEDED.

BUT THAT STORM WATER MASTER PLAN IS $200,000, RIGHT? CORRECT. THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN WILL ALSO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT PIPES NEED TO BE UPGRADED.

IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT WHERE OUR CRITICAL NEEDS ARE AND RANK THEM AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FIRST.

WHERE DO WE GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK? IT WILL ALSO SAY, MAYBE IF YOU TAKE THIS SWALE AND YOU TURN IT INTO A COVERED PIPE, THAT YOU'LL GET X AMOUNT OF STORAGE.

IT WILL ALSO GIVE US AN IDEA FOR BUDGETING WHERE TO GO WITH OUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PRETTY SCARY NUMBERS THAT COME OUT OF THIS STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO START USING THOSE NUMBERS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMING DOLLARS.

SO THEN IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR REC AND PAUSE UNTIL A YEAR OR TWO WHEN WE HAVE THAT STORMWATER.

OKAY. SO NOT TO TOUCH IT.

THAT BRINGS ANOTHER QUESTION.

DID THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WERE THEY TOLD SPECIFIC THINGS TO LOOK AT, OR WERE THEY JUST GIVEN ALL OF CHAPTER 24 AND EACH OF THEM WENT HOME AND DECIDED WHAT TO COME BACK WITH, OR DID THE STAFF PROVIDE THEM WITH SPECIFICS TO LOOK AT BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT AREAS YOU WANTED TO AMEND IN CHAPTER 24 BEFORE YOU BROUGHT IT TO THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY.

SO ON THE CHAPTER 24, FROM THE GUIDANCE OF THIS COMMISSION, WE SPECIFICALLY MADE NO CHANGES TO STORM WATER BECAUSE THE COMMISSION ASKED US NOT TO.

THAT THAT WOULD BE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION.

SO THE ONLY CODE CHANGES THAT WENT TO THE CDB WERE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 24 THAT DID NOT INVOLVE STORM WATER CDB.

CDB DIDN'T LIKE THAT ANSWER, SO THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO MAKE THEIR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY I SEE, SO THIS SPECIFIC SECTION 24-68 B WAS BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD BY THEIR MEMBERS, NOT BY STAFF TO LOOK AT. CORRECT.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS WAS PRECIPITOUS ON THE PART OF THE CDB.

CORRECT. YES.

GO AHEAD AMANDA. YOU TOUCHED ON IT.

BUT I THINK THIS IS CRITICAL.

WE SET THE PRIORITY.

RESILIENCY IS ONE OF OUR WAS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

CORRECT. WE DID. YOU WERE IN HERE.

YES. PRIORITIES. THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

THE SOONER WE GET IT DONE, WE'RE MAKING MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH. ON A $200,000 STUDY.

SO THAT TELLS ME AND COMMISSIONER RING WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MATH TO ME IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THIS, RIGHT? WE YOU GUYS CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW.

I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY ENGINEER ABOUT THAT.

SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, LET'S SPEND THE 200,000 AS FAST AS WE CAN TO GET SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AND NUMBERS THAT WILL PRECIPITATE WHAT WE BUDGET.

YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES SENSE? AND COMMISSIONER BOLE, THIS IS ALL RELATIVE, BECAUSE THURSDAY WE HAVE OUR BUDGET MEETING ONE OF OUR FINAL BUDGET MEETINGS.

AND AS IT STANDS, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IS LISTED AS AN ENHANCEMENT.

IT'S LISTED AS WHAT? AS AN ENHANCEMENT.

REMEMBER, THAT WAS HOW HE DIVIDED BETWEEN MAINTAINING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND SEPARATING OUT THE STUFF THAT WE WANT TO ADD.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ENHANCEMENT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M GETTING TO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD. OKAY.

THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD REGARDING SWIMMING POOLS.

CURRENTLY, SWIMMING POOLS ARE CONSIDERED 50% PERMEABLE OR IMPERVIOUS.

EITHER WAY, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT.

THEY DISCUSSED JUST KEEPING THIS CALCULATION THE SAME.

THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT HAVING STAFF LOOK AT DIFFERENT STORMWATER REGULATIONS OR LOOKING AT THE HYDROLOGY AND SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO THEIR SPECIFIC NEEDS.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

SO THERE'S NO RECOMMENDED CODE SECTIONS FOR THAT.

THEY HAD A. COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS A QUESTION.

GO BACK TO POOLS, PLEASE.

OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

BECAUSE THE WATER CYCLE, YOU KNOW, THE HYDRAULIC CYCLE OF THE PLANET HAS WATER RETURNING BACK TO THE EARTH, YOU KNOW, SEEPING THROUGH THE SOIL AND GOING BACK INTO THE AQUIFER AND THEN COMING BACK AROUND.

AND SO BY, BY USING POOLS THAT WATER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

AND IN FACT, PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY DUMPED WATER AHEAD OF TIME.

SO, I CAN SEE WHERE POOLS ARE HELPFUL IN THE, IN THE EMERGENCY.

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BUT IN THE LONG TERM THEY DON'T REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO WATER MANAGEMENT.

I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED FROM THAT ASPECT, OFTENTIMES WHEN PEOPLE PERCEIVE A LARGE STORM COMING, THEY PUMP THEIR POOL DOWN.

YEAH. THAT WATER IS OFTEN CHLORINATED AND GOING INTO OUR STORM DRAIN.

SO YOU WILL SEE A FUTURE ORDINANCE COMING TO YOU, BASICALLY LIMITING THE AMOUNT AND HOW YOU PUMP YOUR POOL DOWN.

OKAY. BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE ISSUE WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ABOUT CAPTURING THE STORM WATER AT THE POINT OF BEING EXCESSIVE AND CAUSING SOMETHING LIKE FLOODING ON KAVALA.

AND SO, IF THE POOL HAS THAT ABILITY TO CAPTURE THE WATER DURING THE STORM, THE REASONABLE QUESTION AND I KIND OF HEAR THIS IS, ARE PEOPLE PUMPING THEIR POOL OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM INTO THE STREET THAT'S ALREADY FLOODED? THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL ISSUE.

DO THE PEOPLE NOT HAVE ENOUGH FREEBOARD TO ACTUALLY COLLECT THE WATER? THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. AND THEN FINALLY, AMANDA HAS ADDED THE ONE ABOUT CHLORINATED WATER, WHICH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS GOING TO END UP OUTSIDE OF THE POOL ONCE YOU BREACH THE COPING, DEPENDING UPON THAT FREEBOARD.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.

AND I DON'T WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT ALL TONIGHT BECAUSE, AS WAS STATED, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER REFRESHER.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL DETAIL OF A AN ORDINANCE, WHICH WE WILL DEBATE AND PUBLIC HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM ON THAT TWICE BEFORE WE PASS ANYTHING.

I JUST NEEDED TO THINK THAT OUT.

BACK TO YOU. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS LOOKING AT PERVIOUS PAVERS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND THEIR CONSENSUS WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE TREATED PERMEABLE.

IF THEY COULD PROVE A PERMEABILITY RATE, INCLUDING THE PAVER ITSELF AND THE BASE MATERIAL.

THE SAME GOES FOR THESE ARE JUST DIFFERENT PAVER TYPES.

THE SAME GOES FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THAT IF THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE TO ALLOW FOR THE PERMEABILITY OF THE ACTUAL ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THE BASE MATERIAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE GIVEN RESPECTIVE CREDIT FOR PERMEABILITY.

SO DID YOU JUST CHANGE SLIDES, DID IT SAY PERVIOUS PAVERS AND NOW IT SAYS ARTIFICIAL TURF.

I WENT FROM THE PAVERS TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.

OH CAN YOU JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PAVERS? YEP. KEEP GOING. PERVIOUS PAVERS.

OKAY, AND THEN ARTIFICIAL TURF.

OKAY. AND JUST HANG OUT HERE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE.

SURE. THE PERMEABLE.

THEN THERE'S PERVIOUS, AND THE WORDS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.

RIGHT. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE MEAN THEM INTERCHANGEABLE.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING IN OUR CODE IF WE HAVE A DEFINITION TO PUT PERMEABLE SLASH PERVIOUS SO THAT IT CAN BE INTERCHANGEABLE AND FURTHER DRILL DOWN IN THE ACTUAL DEFINITION THAT WOULD DEFINE THAT.

SO I DID LISTEN TO THEM DISCUSS THIS IN DETAIL IN JULY, AND THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THEY WERE FOR THE PERVIOUS AND IMPERMEABLE PAVERS RECEIVING CREDIT BASED ON MANUFACTURERS SPECIFICATIONS.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS IS JUST SOME TYPES OF PAVERS THAT STEVE WENT OVER AND HIS PRESENTATION THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF THESE. IF YOU DO NOT MAINTAIN THEM PROPERLY, THEY CAN LOSE THEIR FUNCTIONALITY AND HOLD WATER.

SAME THING WITH SOME OF THE PAVEMENTS OUT THERE.

OKAY, I WANT TO CLARIFY THERE BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE LEARNING IS THEY MAY DROP IN EFFECTIVENESS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, PERMEABLE PAVERS WHICH HAVE SPACING TYPICALLY AND ACCORDING TO THE INSTALLERS AND THE MANUFACTURER, THEY DON'T GO TO ZERO.

SO THEY LOSE EFFECTIVENESS FROM WHERE THEY STARTED, BUT THEY DON'T GO TO ZERO IN MANY CASES.

SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE AT RISK OF HAVING IMPERMEABLE SURFACES THAT BEGAN AS PERMEABLE, BUT THE ISSUE IS WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH EFFECTIVENESS? AND BY THE WAY, GUYS, LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT HOW ALL THIS BEGAN.

IT'S ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO ABSORB THE STORM WATER THAT WOULD BE ABSORBED IN A 25 OR 24, 25 YEAR, 24 HOUR EVENT STORM EVENT.

IF YOU HAD UNDEVELOPED SOIL OR GRASS, OKAY, WHAT WOULD PERCOLATE IN THAT 24 HOURS? AND MY UNDERSTANDING AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME CITY MANAGER KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT 4.3IN IS WHAT WE WANT TO CAPTURE.

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BUT THE BARGAIN CURRENTLY IS 9.3IN.

BUT THAT'S NOT HOW MUCH WE WOULD ABSORB IN THAT 24 HOUR EVENT.

THAT'S HOW MUCH RAINFALL WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE IN 24 HOURS.

RIGHT. SO FOR CITIZENS TO CLARIFY THAT IF OUR INTENT IS TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT WOULD FALL FROM THE SKY IN A 24 HOUR, 25 YEAR EVENT.

THEN THAT IS MORE THAN WHAT THE GROUND WOULD ABSORB IF IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED.

SO IS THAT OUR INTENT? MEANING, TO BURDEN SOMEBODY WITH MORE THAN A PIECE OF DIRT WOULD ABSORB IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO THAT'S JUST SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUDDLES BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO MORE THAN NINE INCHES OR WHAT, FOUR INCHES AN HOUR OR FOUR INCHES CURRENTLY. AND THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO CLARIFY.

AND BILL, I APOLOGIZE, BUT LET ME JUST STATE THIS.

WE ARE THERE'S THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN TO BE OPENED UP AND HAVE A NEW STUDY.

AND I THINK CERTAINLY THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE CALCULUS ON COLLECTION, HOW MUCH FOR STORM EVENT AND SO ON.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND CHANGE THAT WITHOUT HAVING A FURTHER REVIEW FROM EXPERTS THAT DO A STUDY.

WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I'LL CALL LIGHT DUTY PERMEABLE PAVERS THAT ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE IN THE STATS. BEAR THAT OUT.

AND THE TRIGGERS THAT, THAT TRIGGER WHAT WE'RE DOING ON, ON SITE RETENTION.

SO WE ARE NOT AND I FORGOT TO MENTION SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO THE CALCULUS YET.

AND THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY SEVERAL OF OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE CALCULUS OR MATH, IF YOU WILL, IS INCORRECT.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THE STORMWATER REVIEW.

AND I AGREE WITH MR. BOLE.

LET'S PUT THE MONEY OUT THERE AND LET'S GET THE PLAN DONE.

COMMISSIONER. YEAH.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT LOW HANGING FRUIT.

THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE NOW, I KNOW YOU PULLED OUT ONE OF THOSE TRIGGERS OR ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS SAYING THAT IT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT FOR THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, IF YOU WOULD GO BACK TO PERMEABLE PAVERS AGAIN FOR ME.

AMANDA. DO WE HAVE ANY ENCOURAGING WAYS TO FOR CITIZENS? BECAUSE THESE ARE ABOUT 25% MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THESE TYPES OF MATERIALS TO UTILIZE THIS TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD OF IMPERVIOUS CONCRETE, WHICH IS CHEAPER, IMPERVIOUS PAVERS, WHICH IS CHEAPER EASIER TO COME BY.

DON'T WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR CITIZENS TO USE THIS DURING REBUILD AND RECONSTRUCTION? SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND TRYING TO SET THE STAGE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT HERE.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT ENCOURAGES THEM TO DO THIS VERSUS THE CHEAPER OPTIONS THAT ARE COMPLETELY IMPERVIOUS.

I THINK THE THING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PUT IN PERMEABLE PAVERS IS IF WE DID ALLOW A PERCENTAGE THAT'S CONSIDERED PERMEABLE FROM THEM, YOU WOULD GET MORE HARDSCAPE IN YOUR YARD.

RIGHT. YEAH.

SO I THINK THE, THE ECONOMICS OF IT IS THAT THERE'S PRESSURE TO BUILD EVER BIGGER HOUSES ON THE SAME SIZE LOTS, AND TO MAXIMIZE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MINIMIZE YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A $2 MILLION HOUSE ON A $1.2 MILLION LOT, WHETHER YOU PUT CONCRETE OR BLOCK PAVERS ON THERE DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR MATH IN TERMS OF THE PRICE OF YOUR HOUSE, BUT IT GETS YOU A BIGGER FOOTPRINT.

SO QUESTION AGAIN, AND IT'S JUST YES OR NO.

DO WE GIVE CREDIT FOR HER PERVIOUS PAVERS OR THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.

CURRENTLY, WE ALLOW GRASS BLOCK PAVERS TO BE CONSIDERED 50%, SO GRASS BLOCK PAVERS ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

WHAT ABOUT THE ONES OUT IN THE CITY HALL THAT WE HAD DONE DURING TOWN HALL? DO WE GIVE ANY CREDIT? CURRENTLY, THE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT.

NOW THAT IS A POTENTIAL CHANGE.

I'LL BE SHOWING YOU IN A MINUTE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS THE THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT TO HELP CITIZENS ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO UTILIZE THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD HELP ALL OF US.

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I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO COMMISSIONER.

RING. THERE IS STAFF IS LOOKING AT BASED ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSION.

SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES.

ONE IS TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF.

ONE IS WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT TO MODIFY THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA.

AND THE THIRD CHANGE IN THE DEFINITION SECTION WOULD BE TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR PERMEABLE OR SLASH PERVIOUS PAVERS.

WE'D ALSO BE ADDING STANDARDS FOR THAT WITH THESE DEFINITIONS.

THE STANDARDS INCLUDE THE BASE MATERIALS.

WE DID HAVE OLD CASTLE PROVIDE US WITH IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THIS, BUT A GENERIC STANDARD THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE POTENTIAL CODE THAT SHOWS AND PROVES THAT THE BASE MATERIAL WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERMEABLE PRODUCT.

I DO WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE DID DISCUSS THIS AT THEIR LAST MEETING, AND THEY DO HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M GOING TO READ YOU THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE ESC RECOMMENDS THAT SINCE PAVERS HAVE TO BE PROPERLY INSTALLED WITHIN 18 TO 24 INCH BASE, WHOSE DEPTH MAY MEAN CUTTING OR REMOVAL OF TREE ROOTS.

AND SINCE MOST TREE FEEDER ROOTS ARE FOUND AT 6 TO 18IN OF DEPTH, THE USE OF PAVERS TOO CLOSE TO TREES CAN SERIOUSLY WEAKEN, DAMAGE OR EVEN KILL THEM. THEREFORE, TO AVOID POTENTIAL DANGER, THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OF INSTALLED PAVERS FROM TREE TRUNK MUST BE ESTABLISHED AND PROPERLY CONSIDERED AND PERMITTING. THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.

THE RECOMMENDATION ON ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IT SAYS THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND THERE IS A BODY OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT THE HEALTH EFFECT ON OUR COMMUNITIES, THE CARCINOGENS, THE CONTAMINATION OF OUR WATER, THE PERMANENT PLASTICS, THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECTS AND THE IMPACT ON WILDLIFE AND BIODIVERSITY ARE SIGNIFICANT.

LEGAL ACTIONS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED TO BAN IT IN SOME AREAS.

WE THEREFORE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY, THAT ARTIFICIAL TURF NOT BE PERMITTED IN ATLANTIC BEACH IN ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE BANNED ITS USE. FURTHER, AS THE LIFESPAN PROGRESSES, ARTIFICIAL TURF, WHEN NOT IDEALLY INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED, BECOMES PROGRESSIVELY MORE IMPERVIOUS. SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

LET ME GO BACK TO THIS.

SO STAFF IS WANTING TO PUT IN POTENTIALLY A DEFINITION FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF, WHICH WOULD DEFINE IT AND PUT IN PARAMETERS FOR THE RATE AT WHICH IT MUST DRAIN AND HOW IT SHALL BE INSTALLED.

THEN, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DEFINITION WORK AND PERVIOUS PAVERS, WE WOULD NEED TO TWEAK THE DEFINITION OF PERVIOUS SURFACE TO ADD THE WORD SOLID IN THERE.

AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, I BELIEVE THERE WAS DISCUSSION.

I DON'T THINK WE REACHED CONSENSUS, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION TO CONSIDER.

POOLS AT 75% PERVIOUS.

AND THEN STAFF DISCUSSED WITH A MINIMUM OF SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD.

GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. SO I DO REMEMBER THEM TALKING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD SURMISED WAS THAT ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS MATERIAL DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO WITH STORMWATER WHATSOEVER.

SO IT SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED IN CHAPTER 24.

SO IT DEPENDS ON YOUR BASE.

YOU CAN PUT IF YOU PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF ON TOP OF CONCRETE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERMEABLE.

SO FROM PERMITTING STANDPOINT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT DEFINES IT AND TALKS ABOUT THE BASE MATERIAL.

AGAIN IT ALL GOES BACK TO YOUR BASE MATERIAL.

MOST OF IT. THERE ARE SOME I'M LEARNING MORE ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THERE'S A WOVEN AND THERE'S POKED HOLES IN IT AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PERMEABILITY RATES.

SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IT'S LISTED IN ARTIFICIAL TURF IS LISTED IN CHAPTER 24.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH STORMWATER.

BUT WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP HAS TO DO WITH PLASTICS AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS PRIMARILY. AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ENVIRONMENTALLY ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF.

AND THAT DISCUSSION IT'S FINE TO HAVE BUT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE RIGHT NOW UNDER CHAPTER 24 STORMWATER BILL.

THEY ARE RECOMMENDING BODY AND THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO.

SO, BUT THEY'RE JUST POINT OF VIEW.

SO LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.

I DO AGREE WE COULD DISCUSS THAT LATER.

IT IS NOT IT THAT IN AND OF ITSELF THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS NOT PART OF STORMWATER.

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SO WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THAT.

OKAY. SO AS I MENTIONED I DON'T THINK WE GOT CONSENSUS, BUT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING THAT SWIMMING POOLS WOULD GO TO 75% PERVIOUS. AND THEN ADDING A DEFINITION TO CHAPTER 24 THAT TALKS ABOUT PERMEABLE PERVIOUS PAVERS WOULD BE MUCH LIKE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

HOWEVER, EVEN OLD CASTLE DID RECOMMEND A 50% REDUCTION ACROSS THE BOARD IN ALL OF THEIR PAVERS AND PROVIDED THAT IT WAS PUT ON THE CORRECT BASE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE INCORPORATED THEIR NUMBER INTO OUR DEFINITION.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL CODE SECTIONS RELATED TO STORMWATER THAT WOULD CHANGE.

AND THAT'S IN 2468 NUMBER ONE WAS STRICKEN THROUGH.

AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.

REGARDING THE VALUE, THE TRIGGER FOR THE 50% VALUE, SO THAT WOULD BE STRICKEN THROUGH.

THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER BE IN THE CODE.

THE SUBSECTION TWO PROJECTS, THE ONE THAT THE TRIGGER FOR 250FT².

THE TRIGGER THERE, STAFF'S LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY 400FT² AGAIN.

WE WOULD LIKE MORE SCIENCE BEHIND IT BUT FEEL LIKE WE DO NEED TO CAPTURE SOME WATER ON SITE.

NUMBER THREE WOULD BE STRICKEN THROUGH IN THIS SECTION PROJECTS WHICH DO NOT EXCEED 50%.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF THAT GRANDFATHERING CLAUSE.

AND THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.

AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. AMANDA. OKAY.

OKAY. SO NEXT STEPS WE HAVE GOING FORWARD IS ALL OF CHAPTER 24 AND ITS ENTIRETY, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OVER THE YEARS.

AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS WILL GO BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN ITS ENTIRETY, WITH THEIR PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING.

THOSE FULL RECOMMENDATION REGARDING CHAPTER 24, INCLUDING STORMWATER, WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.

VERY GOOD PROGRESS, ALBEIT SLOW, BUT IT'S PROGRESS, RIGHT? SO GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, AMANDA.

OKAY, I GUESS I NEED TO GO BACK TO AGENDA.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH, GIVEN THAT IT'S 8:00, I WILL CONCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM FOUR.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

I'LL START WITH MR. BOLE.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH, I'LL BE ALMOST AS QUICK AS THE CITY MANAGER.

I WAS PROUD TO REPRESENT US AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I LEARNED A LOT.

I LEARNED THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE FACING.

YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT I WENT TO EVERY SYMPOSIUM ON ELECTRIC BIKES.

SO I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I THINK I KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

AND CHIEF, I TALKED TO OTHER CHIEFS OUT THERE THAT ARE FACING, I THINK, SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMS WE ARE.

THERE WERE SOME INTERESTING QUOTES WHICH I WON'T SHARE HERE ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES, BUT I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHER POPULATIONS ARE DOING ABOUT IT.

ONE THING I WANT TO ADD, AND I DROVE OVER TO AQUATIC GARDENS EARLY SATURDAY.

ONE THING, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THE RESIDENTS COME FIRST.

BUT ALSO YOU'LL KNOW THAT I THINK I MENTIONED IT TO BILL THIS MORNING AT THE DOG PARK.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE SOIL HAS ERODED UNDERNEATH THE PATH.

AND THE ONE THING YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ARE THOSE CHEMICALS OR WHATEVER THAT'S MADE OF IN THAT POND.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING BECAUSE IT WASHED A LOT, A LOT OF SOIL AWAY.

SO I'LL, TALK ABOUT MARVIN GARDENS WHEN WE GET A CHANCE.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

SO WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STORMWATER TONIGHT, AND I KIND OF WROTE THIS THIS AFTERNOON, TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHERE WE WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY GONE KNOW THIS AND, AND, AND I, I'M REALLY PREACHING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING TRACK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RECENT RAINY CLIMATE HAS REMINDED EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION HERE ON THE BARRIER ISLAND, AND WE'RE NOT IN A CRISIS TOTALLY YET, BUT AND WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

A NUMBER ONE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION, AS COMMISSIONER SAID, WAS THAT WE IS RESILIENCY.

FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT RESILIENCY, AND WE SURVEYED THE MOST VULNERABLE PLACES, AND WE CREATED THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AND IT WAS BASED ON AND SEVERITY SEQUENCING AND SEVERITY.

AND SO THE NUMBER ONE, IT WAS AQUATIC GARDENS AND IT'S SO BIG WE DIVIDE IT INTO TWO PARTS.

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AND WE'RE TALKING TWO, $2 MILLION TO $17 MILLION, $2 MILLION, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE THOSE MILLION DOLLARS COMING FROM.

WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO GET GRANTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPETITIVE ATMOSPHERE OUT THERE.

THE PRICES HAVE PRACTICALLY DOUBLED SINCE 2020.

AND SO THE STUFF WE THOUGHT ABOUT IN 2019 OR 2018 HAVE DOUBLED IN PRICE.

AND SO WE HAVE VULNERABLE PARTS OF THE CITY.

WE KNOW IT AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORS AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN NEPTUNE BEACH.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING BEACH.

WE ARE FLAT.

AND WE HAVE A HIGH WATER TABLE AND OUR WATER.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE OUR WATER GOES OUT? WHERE DOES IT DRAIN TO? IT DOESN'T DRAIN. OVER HERE, TO THE MARSH.

IT DOESN'T DRAIN IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

IT MOVES ALL THE WAY UP TO MAYPORT ROAD, ACROSS MAYPORT ROAD TO A-1-A.

AND IT COMES OUT AT B&N BAIT AND TACKLE.

THAT WATER HAS A LONG WAY TO GO.

AND AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, THE FACT IS, ALL OF US TOGETHER HAVE WATER THAT HAS TO GO REALLY FAR, AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, 50% OF OUR BUDGET IS PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET DO WE WANT TO DEDICATE TO PUBLIC RESILIENCE? DO WE WANT TAXES? DO WE WANT A BOND? DO WE WANT HIGHER STORM WATER RATES, WHICH ARE PROBABLY COMING, BY THE WAY.

BUT YOU KNOW, OUR STORM WATER RATES DON'T PAY FOR UPGRADES.

THEY PAY FOR MAINTENANCE, THEY PAY FOR SPOT BAND AIDS WHERE THE GUYS CAN GO OUT AND FIX WHAT'S WORKING.

WE GOT AGING PIPES THAT, THAT SUCK, THAT ADD WATER TO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WATER LEACHES IN.

SO WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AHEAD OF MOST OTHER PLACES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE.

AND THOSE DECISIONS THAT MIGHT IMPACT INDIVIDUALS ARE SMALL COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM WE GOT GOING.

SO END OF RANT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER RING.

WELL, SAID COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I WON'T EVEN TOUCH STORM WATER BECAUSE YOU DID COVER IT SO THOROUGHLY.

THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I TALK ABOUT MAIN STREET SPEED TABLES, BECAUSE THEY ARE UP AND READY TO GO.

BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KEVIN HOGENCAMP, BECAUSE I MESSAGE ACTUALLY HEARD ON THURSDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE WORKDAY WAS QUITE DONE FOR ME.

THAT THEY WERE JUST AS LOW AS YOU POSSIBLY COULD GO AS FAR AS THOSE SPEED TABLES.

AND I THOUGHT, OH GOSH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND I DROVE OVER IT WITH MY GOLF CART, COULD BARELY FEEL IT, AND IN A COUPLE OF HOURS MESSAGED CITY MANAGER, WHO THEN GOT KEVIN HOGENCAMP, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND SCOTT WILLIAMS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, TO GO OUT THERE.

THEY MEASURED, THEY HAD THE COMPANY COME BACK AROUND, LAY OR PUT MORE LAYERS ONTO IT, CHECKED BACK TO MAKE SURE IT WAS DONE PROPERLY.

SO NOW THEY'VE BEEN STRIPPED, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT LABEL IT.

THEY EVEN LOWERED DOWN THE SPEED LIMIT TO 20MPH.

IT'S STILL NOT SIDEWALKS, BUT IT IS A HUGE, HUGE HELP.

AND I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES.

I WALK THAT STREET AS A LITTLE GIRL MANY YEARS AGO AND FOR MY BUS STOP TO MY BABYSITTER'S HOUSE AND FOR MY BABYSITTER'S HOUSE TO HOME. AND IT WAS DANGEROUS THEN.

AND NOW IT'S LESS TODAY.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME.

AND JOHNNY ON THE SPOT THAT YOU GUYS WERE TO RAISE THOSE SPEED HUMPS UP.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER WATERS.

THANK YOU. I WASN'T IN TOWN THIS WEEKEND WHEN THIS HAPPENED WITH THE RAINFALL.

AND WE GOT SIX INCHES IN A FEW HOURS.

AND I, I HAVE LIVED THAT I'VE TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE.

I HAVE MY HOUSE FLOODED FOUR TIMES IN TEN YEARS.

THREE FEET OF CREEK WATER OVER THE HOOD OF THE CAR.

ALL OF IT. BUT MY DIFFERENCE WAS WE HAD FLOOD INSURANCE, AND ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS PAY FOR IT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

CARPET, BASEBOARDS, SHEETROCK, WHATEVER.

THESE FOLKS DON'T. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.

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SO, WHAT HAPPENED TO US WAS WE FINALLY LOST FLOOD INSURANCE, AND FEMA CAME IN AND BOUGHT ALL THE HOUSES ALONG THE CREEK.

NOW, THAT'S A LAST RESORT, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT THAT'S HOW BAD THIS CAN GET.

AND I AGREE WITH THOSE FOLKS, WITH MARCUS AND JOHN AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT SPOKE OF IT.

WHEN YOU THINK A RAIN IS COMING AND LIKE MARCUS SAID, ANOTHER INCH OR TWO, HE COULD HAVE BEEN DOWN 30, $50,000.

IT'S QUITE FRIGHTENING.

SO I WANT TO TALK WITH SCOTT OR WHOEVER WE CAN TO CLOSE THE DRAIN, PUT THE PUMP, GET A GENERATOR FOR THE PUMP, SOMETHING.

BECAUSE IF WE GET FEMA AND WE GET THE FDEP TO COME AND WE GET THEM TO DO THIS.

WELL, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? A LONG TIME, IT'S A HUGE PROJECT, AND THIS HAS BEEN LIKE THE TOP FOUR PROJECTS FOR YEARS NOW.

THIS IS HUGE. AND SO BUT I AM ALL FOR RIGHT NOW.

DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE.

WHENEVER THESE RAINS COME AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME.

AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, I I'LL FINISH OUT IT.

PTSD IS REAL FOR PEOPLE THAT EXPERIENCE FLOODING AND EVEN JUST LIVING IN A LEAKY HOME EVERY TIME THE STORMS COME AND YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE LEAKING OR THE ROOF IS LEAKING, IT IS TRAUMATIC.

SO MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED.

AND I WANT TO JUST SAY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IS AT LEAST AS THE MAYOR, WE OWN THIS, THE CITY OWNS IT.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY EXCUSES.

WE HAVE PRIORITIZED IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT DONE.

AND SO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT.

WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE THIS EVENT THIS PAST WEEKEND, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE RISK OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING BEFORE WE GET THE PROJECT DONE.

SO, AT THIS POINT, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WATERS.

WHAT CAN WE DO NOW? AND I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU TODAY, BILL, ARE THERE ANY JUST SMALLER STEPS THAT WE CAN TAKE RIGHT NOW THAT WILL GIVE SOME RELIEF AND SOME SHOW OF APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH? I DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS, MR. MAYOR, BUT I WILL GET WITH SCOTT AND STEVE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING SHORT TERM THAT MIGHT HELP TAKE THE PEAK OFF.

SO I'M GOING TO FORMALLY ASK CITY MANAGER TO ENTERTAIN THIS AND COME BACK TO US AT COMMISSION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PUMP LOCATED NEXT TO THE POND UNTIL WE RESOLVE OUR STORMWATER ISSUES IN THAT AREA.

AND I DID SPEAK TO PUBLIC WORKS ON THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD RATHER KEEP THAT EQUIPMENT UNDER COVER WHEN WE'RE NOT USING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT OUT IN THE WEATHER, BUT IT CAN BE COVERED WITH A TARP, AND HAVING IT THERE ON SITE BRINGS SOME RELIEF TO OUR CITIZENS.

BUT I ALSO REALLY THINK IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE RISK TO DRAW THAT POND DOWN AND KEEP IT AT A SAFE LEVEL, EVEN WHEN WE DON'T EXPECT A STORM.

BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.

THERE WAS NO FORECAST FOR FIVE SIX INCHES OF RAIN IN THREE HOURS.

THAT HAPPENED. THAT'S A FREAK ACT OF GOD.

AND AND WE PAID THE PRICE AND IT HAPPENED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE OUT ROAMING THE CITY IN THEIR TRUCKS.

THEY'RE AT HOME ASLEEP ALSO DURING HIGH TIDE, I MIGHT ADD, AND DURING A HIGH TIDE.

YEAH. AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US DRAW DOWN THAT POND.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT THAT POND EBBS AND FLOWS.

IT COMES IN AND IT GOES OUT.

AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY IS THERE'S A WE CAN CLOSE OFF THE CULVERT THAT ALLOWS WATER IN OR OUT OF THAT POND TO, TO HOPKINS CREEK, BUT THAT IS MANUALLY DONE.

IT'S NOT AUTOMATED.

AND THAT'S MY POINT.

AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, YOU DON'T HAVE A CREW OF PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE OUT DRIVING AROUND DOING THAT.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY, AND I'VE ASKED MR. KILLINGSWORTH TO GET THE DETAILS ON WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NECESSARY BY THE AGENCIES, BOTH OF WHICH ONE IS FEMA.

WE STILL HAVE TO CLEAR FEMA ON THE REDESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND THE DEP.

AND SO WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS, WHAT PAPERWORK IS OUTSTANDING, BECAUSE I WANT TO EMPLOY EVERY RESOURCE THAT I CAN, INCLUDING CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD, TO ENGAGE AND INSERT HIMSELF IN THIS ISSUE WITH DEP, WITH FEMA TO GET THEM TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY, IF IN FACT, THEY HAVE ALL OF THE PAPERWORK THAT IS NECESSARY TO AFFECT THIS PERMIT.

SO I STAND READY, AND I WISH THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE EARLIER, SOME OF THEM HAD TO LEAVE.

I WISH THEY HEARD THIS, BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW THEM, PLEASE PASS IT ON.

WE'RE IN YOUR COURT AND WE OWN THIS AS A CITY.

IT IS A PRIORITY AND IT'S NOT ABOUT FUNDING.

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WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PERMIT BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE DESIGN.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THAT? NO, I THINK YOU CAPTURED IT, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. SO THANK YOU, WILL CONCLUDE ITEM FOUR, MOVING TO ITEM SIX.

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON IT.

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM SIX A IS AWARD BID 2324-13 TO ROCKAWAY, INC.

IN THE AMOUNT OF $31,181.53 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT.

ITEM SIX B IS APPROVED THE AGREEMENT WITH USSI LLC, FOR PALM AVENUE LIFT STATION SERVICE AREA TESTING, MONITORING, INSPECTIONS AND REPORT IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,654.86 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND ASSOCIATED PURCHASE ORDER.

IS ANYBODY DESIRING TO PULL EITHER OF THESE OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? WHAT'S ROCKAWAY DOING? PARDON? WHAT IS ROCKAWAY DOING? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH I OPPOSED.

THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

MOVING TO.

OH, FINALLY.

LISA. I'M SO SORRY IT'S GONE THIS LONG.

WE ARE AT ITEM SEVEN A, WE HAVE A REPORT FROM LISA GOODRICH FROM ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE.

[7. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M LISA GOODRICH.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE.

DURING OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS, OUR COMMITTEE IS OFTEN ASKED BY STAFF TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ARTS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING IN OUR PARKS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS. SINCE MY LAST PRESENTATION, WE HAVE DONE LOTS OF THINGS.

ONE, WE'VE ENGAGED IN A VISIONING DISCUSSION OF THE POSSIBLE USES FOR THE ALMOST HOME PROPERTY.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW OPENING ANOTHER COMMUNITY CENTER COULD BENEFIT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLEMENT OUR OTHER COMMUNITY CENTERS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE DISCUSSED POTENTIAL PROGRAMING.

NUMBER TWO, WE HELD A BIG PICTURE BRAINSTORMING WORKSHOP TO DEVELOP A WISH LIST THAT OUTLINED EVENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD MAKE TO OUR PARKS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND PROGRAMING FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CITY.

WE PRIORITIZED AND CLASSIFIED THEM ACCORDING TO ESTIMATED COST, IMPACT AND URGENCY, AND TOGETHER WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND COMMISSION THE FOLLOWING.

TO FUND TURTLE CRAWL IN THE 2024-25 BUDGET.

TO PROMOTE HEALTH AND CONNECTIVITY IN OUR PARK SYSTEM, WHILE HIGHLIGHTING THE CITY'S HISTORY AND NATURAL RESOURCES THROUGH ART AND EDUCATION, AND TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL A NEW SCOREBOARD AT DONNER PARK.

SUCH A WELL LOVED PARK WITH A FLOURISHING FLAG FOOTBALL PROGRAM, THIS SCOREBOARD WILL GET A LOT OF USE AND ADD TO THE EXCITEMENT FOR THE KIDS.

MOST RECENTLY, WE REVIEWED AND VOTED ON A COUPLE ITEMS THAT BRING SOME STRUCTURE AND POLICY TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT ONE WE REVIEWED AND MOVED FORWARD. TENNIS INSTRUCTORS REGULATIONS NUMBER TWO, UNDER THE NEW FORMAL PROCESS FOR NAMING PUBLIC SPACES, WE APPROVED FOR YOUR APPROVAL THE NAME ASHBY PARK FOR THE PARKLET PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS MARVINS GARDEN.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO AS A COMMITTEE IS ADMINISTER THE CITY'S GRANT FOR GRANTS FOR ARTS AND RECREATION.

IN FISCAL YEAR 2023-24, WE AWARDED $75,000 TO 18 SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZATIONS WHICH OFFERED INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS, CLASSES AND EVENTS THAT FILL THE GAPS IN OUR REGULAR CITYWIDE PROGRAMING.

THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER IS ASSIGNED AS A LIAISON TO 2 OR 3 ORGANIZATIONS OR PROGRAMS. AS GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS, WE ATTEND THEIR PROGRAM, OBSERVE ITS IMPACT, AND OFFER ANY ADVICE OR HELP TO MAKE SURE IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

AS WELL, WE KEEP IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE STAFF TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THEY FEEL IS WORKING WELL.

AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND PRIOR TO THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE, WE ASK THAT EACH RECIPIENT COMPLETE A FINAL REPORT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THEIR PROGRAM HAD ON OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DID WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY CITIZENS THEY SERVED, WHAT THEIR SUCCESSES WERE, AND WHERE THEY FEEL THEY CAN MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS.

WE USE THIS INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF WE'LL FUND THEM IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THEY REAPPLY, AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING PROGRAMING THAT TARGETS ALL AGES AND INTERESTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR COMMITTEE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-25.

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ON AUGUST 30TH.

THIS FRIDAY, WE'LL SPEND THE DAY INTERVIEWING EACH APPLICANT AND GRADING THEM ON SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THEIR PROGRAM.

THIS WILL HELP US DETERMINE WHETHER WE WILL FUND THEIR GRANT AND, IF SO, TO WHAT LEVEL.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET CURRENTLY ALLOCATES LEVEL FUNDING FOR OUR GRANT POOL $75,000, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS IS APPROVED, ALONG WITH FUNDING FOR THE TURTLE CRAWL AND DONNER SCOREBOARD.

THESE PROGRAMS AND ITEMS ADD VALUE AND WILL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR NOW AND YEARS TO COME.

YOU'LL SEE ON THE CHART HERE.

THESE ARE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUNDED THIS PAST GRANT CYCLE.

WILDLY SUCCESSFUL IN ALL CATEGORIES.

SOME LESSONS LEARNED AND A COUPLE, BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PROGRAMS THAT WE FUNDED.

AND FINALLY, OUR COMMITTEE HAS TWO VACANCIES.

WE ARE PREPARED TO FILL THESE POSITIONS AND WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO DO SO AT THE EARLIEST CONVENIENCE OF THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING IN A BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND WE AWAIT NOTICE OF THIS MEETING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, LISA.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

THE ALMOST HOME PROPERTY I'VE HEARD FROM SENIORS IN VA AND THE CHILDREN.

WHAT? CAN YOU ELABORATE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY? WHAT DO YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT? WE WERE THINKING THAT IT IT IT WILL REALLY ENHANCE IT KIND OF ROUNDS OUT THE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND WE WERE EXPECTING OR HOPING THAT DONNER PARK WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS YOUNG CHILDREN AND JORDAN PARK WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS TEENS, AND THAT THE ALMOST TOWN PROPERTY WOULD BE MORE ADULT CENTERED.

AND I'M NOT TALKING JUST SENIORS AND VETS, BUT MORE ADULT TYPE PROGRAMING.

IT'S REALLY SET UP NICELY FOR THAT.

YES COMMISSIONER. I'VE GOT I'VE HAD LOTS OF FEEDBACK ON PEOPLE WHO LIKE THE YOGA AND THE TAI CHI.

YEAH. AND DID WE EXPAND TO TWO SECTIONS OF YOGA? WE DID. WE EXPANDED CHAIR YOGA.

IT WAS GROWING AND GROWING AND GROWING.

AND SO YES, WE HAVE EXPANDED YOGA AND THEN WE'VE ADDED TAI CHI THROUGH PREVENTATIVE HEALTH CARE, THROUGH TAI CHI IN THE EVENINGS, AND THAT TARGETS A WHOLE GROUP OF ADULTS THAT ARE WORKING DURING THE DAY AND CAN'T, SO THAT THOSE CLASSES HAVE GROWN A LOT.

BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE REAPPLIED THIS YEAR, AND WE EXPECT THAT THEY'LL BE FUNDED BECAUSE THEY'RE SO POPULAR.

PLEASE. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER RING. LISA, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

I KNOW YOU CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE.

I KNOW THAT IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

YOU GO TO A LOT OF THE EVENTS THAT EACH OF YOU LIKE, TALLY UP AND GIVE THE GRANTS TO.

AND SO SOME OF YOU ARE IN MAYPORT MIDDLE, AND SOME OF YOU ARE AT THE FLETCHER BAND.

AND SO YOU'RE INVOLVED IN SO MUCH THAT DOESN'T JUST TAKE ONE NIGHT EVERY MONTH OUT OF YOUR TIME.

SO JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT ALMOST HOME, WHICH NOW WE'VE LIKE TEMPORARILY DUBBED AS MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.

OH, NICE. SO AS YOU GO INTO DISCUSS MORE AND AS WE GET FURTHER OR CLOSER TO THE OPENING, THE GRAND OPENING OF THAT. DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED MORE FUNDS OR BE ABLE TO OPEN UP MORE GRANTS FOR ADULT PROGRAMING, IF THAT IS WHAT THE FUTURE BEHOLDS? SO, IF JORDAN AND DONNER END UP BEING YOUTH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TEEN AND THEN ALMOST HOME IS OPENED UP OR MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTERS NOW OPEN UP TO MORE ADULTS.

DO YOU FORESEE THE DEMAND OF MORE GRANTS BEING PUSHED OUT THROUGH THOSE ADULT PROGRAMING? I DON'T I'D WANT TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

WE, WE OUTLINED IN OUR BRAINSTORMING SESSION SO MANY PROGRAMS AND IDEAS.

I THINK THAT SOME OF IT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE BUDGET THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK TO FOCUS THE ANNUAL GRANTS TOWARDS MORE ADULT PROGRAMING.

SO I THINK THAT I THINK WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FUNDING OR ADDITIONAL STAFF AND PROGRAMING FOR THAT, THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

BUT BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE DID TALK ABOUT IN OUR BRAINSTORMING SESSION.

AND THEY CAME UP WITH SOME REALLY FUN IDEAS.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB VETTING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS AND FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM, AS I MENTIONED, AND YOU HAD 124,000 REQUEST DOLLARS IN REQUESTS, AND WE'RE ABLE TO GRANT 75,000, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL AMOUNT.

SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. AND AGAIN, ECHOING WHAT WE'VE HEARD.

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YEAH. THERE'S EVERYBODY'S PRETTY INVOLVED.

IT'S FUN. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS. OKAY.

MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT A RESOLUTION.

[8. ACTION ON RESOLUTIONS]

PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KELLY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. HOGENCAMP IS GOING TO PRESENT THIS ONE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

ON POINT WITH US STEADILY BECOMING A MORE POLICY DRIVEN ORGANIZATION ON MAY THE 13TH OF THIS YEAR.

THIS COMMISSION ADOPTED RESOLUTION NUMBER OR 23, WHICH IS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET, ESTABLISHING A POLICY TO SERVE AS A GUIDE WHEN CONSIDERING NAMING AND RENAMING PARKS, RECREATION AREAS AND BUILDINGS.

USING THAT POLICY AS A GUIDE, ON JULY THE 9TH, THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND APPROVED A REQUEST TO NAME THE AREA KNOWN AS MARVINS GARDEN, ELEANOR AND GARNETTT ASHBY MEMORIAL PARK.

ON AUGUST 12TH, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE PARK NAME REQUEST AND INVITED AND RECEIVED PUBLIC INPUT IN ADVANCE OF THIS MATTER BEING PLACED ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2444, AND MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I'D LIKE TO FIRST GET A MOTION ON IT BEFORE WE OPEN UP.

I MOVE, WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2444 AS READ.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NOW.

DISCUSSION. I SEE A HAND FROM MR. BOLE COMMISSIONER.

YOU PUT MY PICTURE UP? YEAH, THANKS.

IS THAT SO? WE CAN THROW DARTS AT IT? YEAH. YEAH. KEVIN SAYS I HAVE TO KEEP GOING.

SO I LIVE THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS PARK ON SHELL STREET.

I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE PICTURE I TOOK, SO IT'S OFF MY PHONE.

IT'S A BEAUTY.

STILL, BEAR WITH ME.

I'M SO SLOW AT THIS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO LET ME GO THROUGH 4 OR 5 REASONS HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, THESE ARE GREAT PEOPLE.

I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

LET ME NAME FOUR THINGS, AND I'LL JUST ROLL THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I HATE TO BE ON THE LOSING END OF A, YOU KNOW, A RESOLUTION, DON'T YOU? OH, YOU'RE LAUGHING TOO.

OKAY, JUST GET ON WITH IT.

OKAY. THIS IS A NAMED ATLANTIC BEACH CITY PARK, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHY WHEN YOU SEE THIS PICTURE? IT'S A CITY SIGN THAT WAS PUT UP IN 2019.

LOOK AT THAT BEAUTY. THAT'S A GREAT PICTURE, DON'T YOU THINK? NICE ONE. YEAH. THANKS.

AND THE CITY MAINTAINS THAT PARK, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS A CITY PARK BECAUSE IT'S A CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, AND IT WILL COST MONEY TO CHANGE THAT. I KNOW THAT A NEW SIGN, BY MY ESTIMATE, WOULD PROBABLY BE DOUBLE THE PRICE THAT WE PAID AT 970 $800 BEFORE.

THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT CLOSE AND MOSTLY KIDS.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY FAMILIES THAT ARE NOT THRILLED WITH THE NAME CHANGE.

MY LAST POINT WOULD BE WE GRANDFATHER HOMES.

WE GRANDFATHER POROUS AND NON-POROUS PROPERTY.

WE GRANDFATHERED TO SOME EXTENT.

WE GRANDFATHERED CITY RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THOSE ARE MY FOUR REASONS THAT I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS.

THANK YOU. SO NOW YOU WANT TO GRANDFATHER A LABRADOR? NOPE. OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

I WOULD SAY THAT COMMISSIONER BOLE IS NOT WRONG IN HIS THOUGHT PROCESS.

BEHIND HOW MANY PARKS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WERE INFORMALLY NAMED? WE JUST RECENTLY GOT A PROCEDURE.

BUT I CANNOT LISTEN TO ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO KNOW THE ASHBY'S AND NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS TODAY. YES.

COMMISSIONER WATERS. SO I SAID THIS LAST TIME.

I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S HILARIOUS.

I WISH I'D HAVE MET MARTIN.

I HAVE DOGS, YOU MAY NOT HAVE WANTED ME TO MEET HIM, BUT NOW, AFTER Y'ALL TALKING, I WANT TO MEET HIM.

I'VE LOVED DOGS SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BITTY KID.

I KNOW HE'S GONE, I GOT IT.

AND OF ALL THESE DOGS, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOGS AROUND ATLANTIC BEACH.

HE WAS JUST ONE OF THE CHARACTERS.

AND THEN I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT THE ASHBY'S.

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AND SO MY OPINION IS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE FUNNY AND GREAT TO HAVE LITTLE MARVIN ON THERE.

I, I FEEL LIKE THE ASHBYS DESERVE IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER BOLE, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THE PURSE, BUT ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS VOTE.

MAPS SEPARATE. BUT I ALSO KNOW THE ASHBY FAMILY.

AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER FAMILY TO HONOR WITH THE NAMING OF THIS PARK.

SO WITH THAT WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY, THERE YOU HAVE IT.

IT'S A41 VOTE.

THANK YOU. MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT, B RESOLUTION NUMBER 24, DASH 45, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AUTHORIZING A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT, CONTINUING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF LANGTON ASSOCIATES, INC., SUBJECT TO AND CONTINGENT UPON THE INCLUSION OF FUNDING FOR THIS PURPOSE.

IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024, 25, CITY COMMISSION APPROVED BUDGET AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF $46,971.94, ANTICIPATED TO BE ALLOCATED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2425 BUDGET.

FOR THIS PURPOSE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSION. SO THIS IS OUR CONTRACT FOR OUR CONSULTANT THAT HELPS US WITH SEEKING OUT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND DRAFTING THE GRANTS THEMSELVES.

IT'S A $46,971.94 IN RETURN.

LAST YEAR, WE GOT OVER $1 MILLION IN GRANTS.

SO IF I COULD INVEST $46,000 AND GET A BETTER THAN $1 MILLION RETURN, I'D BE PRETTY HAPPY WITH IT.

THEREFORE, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-45, IN THE AMOUNT OF $46,971.94.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THAT I MEAN, I READ THEIR SUMMARY OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR SUCCESSES.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF THE CLIMATE, THE GRANT GRANTING PROCESS HAS BECOME A LOT MORE COMPETITIVE.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT MANY OF THEIR REQUESTS.

THAT'S INTERESTING. SO IF MAY I ASK THIS? CAN WE GET A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL BRING THEM UP TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT IF THAT'S.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2445.

SECOND. OKAY.

THE SECOND WAS MIKE WATERS.

AND SO THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM LINCOLN COULD WE ASK YOU TO.

IS THAT OKAY? IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MIKE LANGTON, PRINCIPAL WITH LANGTON ASSOCIATES, AND CHRISTINE LANE, ALSO WITH THE ORGANIZATION IS HERE.

THANKS. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE SO LATE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

MICHAEL LANGTON, 1300.

I LOST MY VOICE. EXCUSE ME.

1300 OAK HAVEN ROAD, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

I HAVE WITH ME MY ASSOCIATE, CHRISTINE LANE, WHO IS THE LEAD CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY, WHERE THERE'S A GROUP OF SEVEN OF US.

BUT WHAT WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION AND GOOD ATTENTION TO EACH CLIENT.

EACH CLIENT HAS ONE ASSOCIATE THAT'S ASSIGNED AS THEIR LEAD, AND WE ALL WORK ON THE CONTRACTS.

YOU ALL HAVE A VERY, VERY CONSISTENTLY AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN OF GOING AFTER GRANTS.

I MEAN, IN TERMS OF SMALL TOWNS, I MEAN, WE REPRESENT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND OSCEOLA COUNTY, AND IN ORANGE COUNTY, WE REPRESENT SOME BIG CLIENTS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW SMALL CLIENTS LIKE YOURSELVES, WHICH WE REALLY ENJOY.

YOU GUYS ARE AGGRESSIVE AS HELL.

EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE. YOU'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE.

AND YOU, AND THERE ARE YEARS WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN YOU 3 OR $4 MILLION.

AND THERE'S OTHER YEARS WHERE WE HAVEN'T DONE AS WELL.

THE COMMISSIONER IS RIGHT THAT IT IS MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT MORE GRANT MONEY OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE SOME OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S GRANT PROGRAMS, LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL AND THE AND THE AND THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

THERE'S JUST A LOT THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, WE JUST RECENTLY GOT JACKSONVILLE $147 MILLION GRANT FOR THE EMERALD TRAIL.

I MEAN, THERE'S SOME BIG STUFF OUT THERE.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AS GOOD A YEAR IN THIS LAST YEAR FOR Y'ALL.

WE DO HAVE PENDING RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S STILL PROBABLY GOING TO GET APPROVED ABOUT $1.5 MILLION.

ONE OF THEM IS REACHED THE SECOND LEVEL.

SO WHICH MEANS IT WILL BE FUNDED.

IT JUST HASN'T YET.

THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

SO, IN LIEU OF THE HOUR, I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU'LL GIVE US THE PLEASURE OF WORKING.

YOU HAVE A FABULOUS STAFF.

I SAW DICK WAS HERE.

HE'S STILL HERE. WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH HIM AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

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I HEARD DONNA PARK MENTION AND A COUPLE OTHER PARKS MENTIONED.

WE'VE GOTTEN GRANTS FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE.

I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TWO DIFFERENT GRANTS FOR DONNA PARK.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A LAND AND WATER.

I MEAN, A THIRD GRANT FOR YOU ALL FOR $200,000 REQUEST.

AND I THINK, CHRISTINE, WE HAVEN'T YOU ALL HAVEN'T FIGURED AND RESILIENT.

SHE'S PUTTING IN A RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

THAT'S FOR 1.3, 1.3.

3 MILLION FOR A VULNERABLE LIFT STATION.

WE DO A LOT OF RESILIENCY STUFF WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR NEED.

BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN THIS GRANT APPLICATION.

I'M NOT SURE IF WITH KEVIN AND MISTER KILLINGSWORTH, WE'VE DECIDED ON WHAT PROJECT, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY DO DONNA PARK AGAIN.

AND WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH THAT PROGRAM.

YEAH. NEW WHOLE NEW PARK FOR YOU TO WORK ON.

THERE YOU GO, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD QUESTION. YES, SIR.

I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE DOWN AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, AND THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

YOU SURE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS THE WAY THAT SHE WANTED.

THEY TALKED ABOUT THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN TALLAHASSEE AS FAR AS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.

DO YOU SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE? IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE GO TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY WE'RE LEANING, BECAUSE THERE ARE CITIES IN THIS STATE THAT I HEARD FROM YOU.

THERE'S ONE JUST NORTH OF US.

THERE'S TWO SOUTH OF US THAT FEEL THAT'S TRUE.

DO YOU FEEL THAT'S TRUE? I'LL SEE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BECAUSE OF YOUR POLITICAL PERSUASION, MORE REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMISSION VERSUS DEMOCRATS.

YOU'RE EITHER HELPED OR HURT.

WELL, YOU HAVE A STRONG REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

AND SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN THAT.

THERE'S BEEN SOME BIG FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS RECENTLY WHERE FLORIDA HAS NOT GOTTEN THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S POLITICAL.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE GRANTS TO FLORIDA, BUT WE GET THEM ANYWAY.

WE FIGHT FOR THEM, AND WE DO GET THEM, AS I JUST MENTIONED, $147 MILLION ONE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I HEARD FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THAT, RIGHT? I ALSO HEARD YOU MENTIONED WORKING WITH CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD.

RUTHERFORD AND HIS STAFF WILL BE TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION ON REQUESTS FOR EARMARKS FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND YOU NEED TO GET THOSE IN IN JANUARY.

I'M NOT YOUR LOBBYIST. I DON'T DO THAT FOR YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BILL KNOWS YOU NEED TO WORK WITH HIS STAFF BECAUSE THEY PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ABOUT TEN PROJECTS THAT RUTHERFORD WILL GET JUST FOR THE ASKING.

BUT IT'S GOT TO BE ON THAT LIST.

AND HE HAS A LOT OF DEMANDS FOR THAT LIST.

COMMISSIONER. SO, AS YOU'VE HEARD IN THIS LONG MEETING, RESILIENCY AND STORM WATER THE HUGE TOPICS, THOSE ARE THE BUZZWORDS.

OUR GOVERNOR DID VETO NEARLY 1 MILLION OR 1 BILLION.

$1 BILLION STATEWIDE HAVING TO DO WITH RESILIENCY THAT WOULD HAVE COME TO THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.

WHEN I ASKED OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT.

HE REFERRED TO THERE WOULD BE GRANTS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BE MORE COMPETITIVE OR AGGRESSIVE IN.

ARE YOU LOOKING INTO THOSE FOR OUR CITY? YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE CONTINUOUSLY HAD TO KICK DOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT. SO I KNOW IT'S 46,000 TODAY.

AND I THINK I THINK YOU'VE BROUGHT US WELL OVER MILLIONS.

OH, PROBABLY 15 MILLION OR MORE, I'M SURE, IN THE NINE YEARS.

BUT YES, WE ARE PURSUING THE MATTER OF FACT, CHRISTINE'S PUTTING IN A RESILIENCY GRANT FOR 1.3 MILLION THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED ON.

ON WHAT? TOMORROW FOR VULNERABLE.

VULNERABLE WORKSTATION PROJECT FOR FIVE SUBSTATIONS.

WE SUBMITTED THAT LAST YEAR AND IT WASN'T FUNDED.

AND NOW WE'RE RESUBMITTING IT AGAIN.

I THINK IT IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING FUNDED THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT JUST MISSED IT BY TWO, I THINK, THREE. DO ANY OF YOUR CLIENT CITIES GET THE GRANT THAT WE DON'T GET LIKE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE GOT US A GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR AND WE DIDN'T GET IT.

WELL IT HAPPENS.

I MEAN, IT'S LUCK OF THE DRAW.

I MEAN, YOU DID THE BEST JOB YOU CAN.

YOU HIRE PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW HOW TO PUT THEM IN, KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUANCES AND HOW TO FRAME THEM.

BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS COMPETITIVE.

THEY'RE VERY COMPETITIVE. GRANTS ARE VERY COMPETITIVE.

WE GET A LOT OF THE GRANTS THAT WE SUBMIT FOR YOU ALL.

YOU'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'VE HAD A LIGHTER YEAR THIS YEAR, BUT WE'LL MAKE THAT UP NEXT YEAR.

GOOD. MR. LINCOLN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS.

I REALIZE WE'RE SMALL POTATOES FOR YOUR FIRM.

THIS THIS CONTRACT IS BY FAR OUR SMALLEST CLIENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE SMALL POTATOES, BUT YOU STAND BEFORE US, AND BOTH OF YOU ARE HERE BEFORE US TONIGHT AND WAITED TWO HOURS.

WE ARE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, BUT I THANK YOU.

WELL, I WILL SHUT UP. I KNOW HOW TO COUNT VOTES.

YEAH, DON'T OVERSELL.

AND YOU'VE MET THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO THOSE RESILIENCY GRANTS.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S GOT TO BE A PLUS.

YEAH. NO, IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE BECAUSE WE DO HEAR SOME MORE JUST HUMAN STORIES AND HOW OUR WORK IMPACTS THEIR LIVES AND IMPROVES THEIR LIVES.

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ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 31-24-18, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.

[9. ACTION ON ORDINANCES]

AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW RL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LI PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I DO NOT SEE AMANDA IN THE AUDIENCE, WHICH IS A CHALLENGE, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING OF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT IN WHICH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED TO GO FROM RL TO LI.

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

THIS LAST FIRST HEARING, THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION VOTE FOR DENIAL.

WELL, FIRST THINGS FIRST.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SINCE I USUALLY MISS THAT.

YOU HAVE TO I GET TO RECOMMEND THAT.

OKAY. YOU DENY BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THANK YOU.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DO NOT. OKAY.

THEN I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. IF I MAY JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. MAYOR ARE WE TAKING UP, I GUESS, THE LAND USE FIRST AND THEN THE REZONING.

RIGHT. OKAY.

RIGHT. OKAY, SO IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE, WE DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 312418 AS READ.

I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED THAT ONE IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. MOVING TO ITEM NINE B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 90.

DASH 24, DASH 252.

PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

COUNTY OF DUVAL. STATE OF FLORIDA.

REZONING THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO FAMILY.

THAT'S RG TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING L I W PROVIDING FINDINGS OF FACT REQUIRING RECORDATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GIVEN THAT THE COMMISSION DENIED THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO LI, THE REQUEST TO TAKE THE ZONING TO LI WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL.

OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE, WE DENY.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I ACTUALLY ALMOST MESSED THAT UP.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN ONE QUICK THING.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, PLEASE.

SINCE THE REZONING PART IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER, IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT, OPPOSITION OR OTHERWISE A BRIEF, YOU ONLY HAVE TO DECLARE IT IF YOU DID.

IF THERE'S BEEN COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T DECLARE LAST TIME.

THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT.

NONE. NONE.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DO NOT.

OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DECLINE ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-252.

I MOVE TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-252.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

MOVING ON TO CITY ATTORNEY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NOT. NOT TODAY, SIR.

I'M SORRY. JUST JUST.

OH, BY THE WAY, LAST MONTH.

LAST TIME, LAST MEETING.

YOU KNOW, WE WE KIND OF INFORMALLY HYPOTHESIZED THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SITE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING IF WE WANT EVER WANTED TO WORK ON A PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT ONE.

IS THAT SOMETHING ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN? IF YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET A DEVELOPER TO DO IT, WOULD THAT BE.

THAT WOULD BE UP TO KLOTZ, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH, YEAH. WELL, I MAY IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THE LAST MEETING, HE ASKED THE COMMISSION IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WE WOULD ENTERTAIN IS TO MAKE THE SITE MULTI-FAMILY.

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I SAID THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ENTERTAIN.

HE HAS NOT APPROACHED ME.

WELL, I DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD LIKE SO QUICKLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING IS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE PENDING LIST OR WOULD BE THAT NEEDS ATTENTION. SO THAT WAS A SITE THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.

RIGHT. I THINK SOME KIND OF MULTIFAMILY TRANSITIONING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

YEAH. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I'LL SHUT UP NOW. CITY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER TODAY, SIR.

CITY CLERK. WELL, I'D LIKE TO MENTION IT'S AN EXCITING WEEK THIS WEEK IT'S A CANDIDATE QUALIFYING.

WE HAVE FIVE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.

ONE IS QUALIFIED.

SO FAR. I HAVE FOUR MORE TO GO AND THEY'RE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR PAPERWORK.

THERE'S ONLY ONE CANDIDATE SO FAR THAT HAS A QUALIFIED WITH ME.

IT'S A PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE TO TURN IN A PAPERWORK.

YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT.

TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT I DO REMEMBER.

YEAH. SO MOVING ALONG TO CLOSING COMMENTS.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

COMMISSIONER RING. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR AQUATIC GARDENS, OR AT LEAST A GOOD IDEA WITH THE PERMANENT PUMP AND MAYBE CLOSING OF THE DRAIN.

SO JUST THANK YOU TO CITY MANAGER FOR GETTING THAT FOR OUR CITIZENS.

THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER WATERS.

I THINK I SHOULD SAY THANK YOU TO CHIEF VICK AND MAYBE RON THAT TALKED TO JOE ESPARZA ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

HE'S OUR TRAFFIC OFFICER.

AND HE WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES COMPUTER WISE, AND GOING BACK TO MANUAL PAPER AND ALL KIND OF STUFF.

I THINK THEY GOT IT WORKED OUT.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL ACTING SO FAST BECAUSE HE WAS KIND OF FRANTIC THE OTHER DAY, SO THANKS.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. I USUALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITY ATTORNEY MAKING A COMMENT, BUT TONIGHT I'M GOOD.

I'M OUT. COMMISSIONER.

KELLY. SO I PRESUME THAT THAT'S A DANGEROUS THING, BUT THOSE OF US WHO WENT THROUGH THE CYBER SECURITY TRAINING, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME WORK TO BE DONE TO FORMALIZE OUR POLICIES.

SO WE'LL BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THAT, I GUESS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MY FINAL COMMENT. I FORGOT TO ASK CITY MANAGER, SO I'LL ASK, NOW, DO WE HAVE RESOLUTION ON THE REQUEST FOR NO PARKING SIGNS ON SECOND STREET, WHERE WE HAVE BULKHEADED STREET ALONG THE STREET? YES. SO I'VE AGREED THAT WE PUT NO PARKING AT THE WITH THE BULKHEADS ARE THE RETAINING WALL FOR THE, I TALKED WITH THE CHIEF, WHO UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T MAKE THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS ON THAT POINT, BUT I WILL GET BACK WITH MR. KLEIN, AND WHEN I HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THERE WERE FOUR, BUT I WANT TO SAY THERE'S FOUR BULKHEADS.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO BULKHEADS.

ONE BIG ONE AND ONE SMALL ONE.

IS IT ONLY TWO? ONE.

OKAY, SO TWO AND THREE QUARTERS.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHT.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH, FINAL COMMENTS I HAVE NOTHING.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.