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[CALL TO ORDER]
WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE FROM COMMISSIONER WATERS.>> WE JUST PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND BE STILL AND QUIET AND REALIZE HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO LIVE HERE AND HOW THANKFUL WE ALL ARE.
I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE WITH THIS COMMISSION OF HEARING EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT A TOWN ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM, WHAT THEY WANT DONE.
I PRAY THAT ALL OF US WILL SIT AND BE QUIET AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THEM AND MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE BASED ON THE DATA.
I PRAY YOU'LL GO FORWARD WITH US THIS NIGHT AND HELP US TO BE WITHOUT ANGER, WITHOUT EMOTION.
I PRAY FOR ALL OF US THIS COMING YEAR, THIS COMING HURRICANE SEASON, THIS COMING HURRICANE.
ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DRENCHED AND FLOODED THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
I KNOW WE HAVE LOST SOME FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND PEOPLE WE KNOW IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND I PRAY FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.
YOU'LL GUIDE US TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT IN THE NAME I PRAY.
THIS COMMISSION MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
DONNA, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA ITSELF, CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL REQUEST.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION.
THIS AFTERNOON, WE RECEIVED OUR FINAL NEGOTIATED QUOTE ON OUR GENERAL LIABILITIES INSURANCE.
AS A RESULT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO DECLARE RESOLUTION 2451 AS AN EMERGENCY AND TO PLACE IT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
>> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT.
>> I MOVE WE MOVE THAT RESOLUTION TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
>> OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOLD.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES PRESENTED FOR AUGUST 12TH, 2024? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTE STAND AS PRESENTED.NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY. AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE TO CHANGE THINGS, AS YOU KNOW, I DO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE TIME.I THINK WE'VE GOT 35 SPEAKERS NOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE AN HOUR AND A HALF JUST ON PUBLIC COMMENT OR MORE, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER YOU'RE COMMENTING ON MORE THAN ONE THING.
WE WILL REDUCE THE TIME ALLOTTED TO EACH PERSON TO TWO MINUTES.
WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, I HAVE TO AT LEAST TAKE A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT A LITTLE DECORUM.
THAT IS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION, THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THIS DIAS.
YOU'RE NOT TURNING AROUND AND SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
LET'S KEEP THE EMOTION OUT OF IT.
LET'S STATE OUR CASE AND MAKE WHATEVER PITCH.
HERE'S THE CHALLENGE IS YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
WE HAVE THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, WHICH IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
YOU CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING DURING THAT COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU SAVE YOURSELF FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTION IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK PUBLIC FORUM, SO SPEAK THERE.
IF YOU DIDN'T SIGN IN CORRECTLY OR NOTATE THE RIGHT THING,
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WHEN DONNA CALLS YOUR NAME, IF YOU REALLY INTENDED TO SPEAK ON THE CHAPTER 24 REVISIONS, WHICH IS ITEM 9D ON THE AGENDA, THEN JUST SAY SO, AND WE'LL ASK AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 9D.AGAIN, TRY TO RESPECT THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND SOME PEOPLE MAY ONLY BE HERE FOR ONE ITEM.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
DONNA, WOULD YOU START WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER?
>> SORRY, MAYOR, I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON 9D, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT TWO HOURS.
AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE LAST TIME THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, THE DEFINITIONS, ET CETERA.
I'M HERE TO TALK TO SPECIFIC THINGS.
ONE IS THE CHANGE IN THE DEFINITION.
CHANGING PAVERS TO A PERVIOUS SURFACE OR ALLOWING PAVERS TO BE PERVIOUS, WHICH IS A HUGE DEAL WHEN WE WERE COMMISSIONED THE LAST TIME, WE LOOKED AT THIS.
WE WERE INFORMED THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AFTER GETTING THEIR PERMITS, GETTING THEIR PAVERS DOWN, GET SOME AND GOING THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS, THEN HAVE THEM SEALED.
IF YOU CHANGE THIS TO PUT PAVERS AS A PERVIOUS SURFACE, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TWO WEEKS LATER, THE LANDOWNER CAN MAKE THEM IMPERVIOUS DESPITE THIS COMMISSION'S BEST EFFORTS TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
I AM URGING YOU NOT TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF THE PAVER.
SECONDLY, AND I FEEL LIKE ROSANNA DONNA HERE.
MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS, BUT THE 50% POOL THING WAS BECAUSE WE HEARD BOTH PROS AND CONS ON HOW GOOD A POOL CAN HOLD WATER OR WHETHER SOME POOL OWNERS SEAL OFF THEIR POOLS WHEN A HURRICANE'S COMING, SO AS TO PREVENT ALL THE CRUD COMING IN.
THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION WENT WITH 50%.
LASTLY, THE NOTICE CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE MADE HAS ELIMINATED A MANDATORY NOTICE.
BUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU'VE REPLACED IT WITH A DISCRETIONARY NOTICE, WHICH MEANS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED MAY NOT HEAR ABOUT IT IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE NOTICE CHANNELS THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN MANDATORY. THANK YOU.
CAROL SCHWARTZ, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. MARY EMERSON SMITH WILL BE NEXT.
>> OKAY. MY NAME IS CAROL SCHWARTZ.
I LIVE AT 1857 TIER DRIVE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
NUMBER 1, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT OR ENTITIES WHO BENEFIT FROM REALLY LARGE OVERBUILT HOMES.
NUMBER 2, THE NEW HOMEOWNER, AND NUMBER 3, THE BANKER.
THE REST OF ATLANTIC BEACH SUFFERS OR IS HARMED IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.
NUMBER 2, PROGRESS IS INEVITABLE.
WHAT WE NEED ARE STRONG ORDINANCES THAT PROTECT US AND THAT ARE ENFORCED TO PROTECT US. NUMBER 3, I URGE YOU TO LOOK WAY AHEAD INTO THE FUTURE TO SEE WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING TO OUR CITY.
WE HAVE WATER BUBBLING UP FROM THE RIGHT AND WATER BUBBLING UP FROM THE LEFT AND HUGE THINGS COMING FROM THE SKY.
WE NEED TO LOOK WAY AHEAD AND HOW TO PROTECT OURSELVES.
NUMBER 4, I URGE YOU TO DO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SURVEY AS SOON AS OUR FIVE YEARS ARE UP.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU FOR ALL THE TIME YOU SPEND DOING ALL OF THIS.
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>> MARY EMERSON SMITH, SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY TIM ANDERSON.
>> MY NAME IS MARY EMERSON SMITH.
I HAVE LIVED AT 314B EIGHTH STREET FOR 40 YEARS.
I HAVE ATTENDED MANY COMMISSION MEETINGS AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN.
BUT JUST LIKE HOUSTON HAD A PROBLEM, WHICH MOST OF YOU HAVE HEARD, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, AND IT'S OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE AGAIN.
ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO, OUR CITY WAS UNDER AN EPA ORDER TO FIX OUR PROBLEM.
ONE OF THE POSSIBLE FIXES WAS TO TURN HOWELL PARK INTO A RETENTION POND.
SOME OF US DIDN'T CARE FOR THAT, SO WE ROSE UP AS A GRASSROOT ROOTS GROUP, FORM FRIENDS OF HOWELL PARK, AND THEN WE FOUND A HYDROLOGIST WITH A PHD FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WHO KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
HE HAD TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND USED HIS EXPERTISE.
WE WANTED HIS EXPERTISE HERE, SO WE WENT TO MAYOR SHAUGHNESSY, AND WE TOLD HER THAT WE HAD FOUND SOMEONE.
WE THOUGHT WELL EQUIPPED TO HELP US, AND SHE SAID, OH, SHE KNEW HIM, AND THAT WAS GREAT, AND HOW MUCH DOES HE COST? WE SAID HE COSTS $10,000, AND SHE SAID THE CITY HAS $10,000, AND THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR IT.
WE HIRED TERRY RICE, AND HE SPOKE TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND IN HIS CHINOS AND HIS T-SHIRT WITH THE BLACKBOARD AND EXPLAINED WHY WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS WRONG, ABSOLUTELY WRONG, AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
OUR DECISIONS, THE CITY'S DECISIONS WERE INFORMED BY SCIENCE.
NOT BY VENDORS TELLING US WHAT THE SCIENCE IS.
I HOPE WE CAN DO AS WELL THIS TIME AROUND.
>> TIM ANDERSON, FOLLOWED BY BROOK ANDERSON.
>> THAT'S THREE OF THE FIRST FIVE THAT ARE ANDERSON'S TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS TIM ANDERSON, LIKE DONNA SAID, AND I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.
BOY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING NOT QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS STORMWATER, BUT TENNIS.
WE'VE SEEN A LEVEL OF VITRIOL IN WORDS AND ACTIONS THE PAST FEW WEEKS WITH REGARDS TO OUR COMMUNITY'S SHARED RESOURCE, NAMELY THE JACK RUSSELL TENNIS COURTS, AND IT'S BEEN DISAPPOINTING AT BEST AND HAS RISEN TO A LEVEL THAT QUITE FRANKLY PAINTS OUR GREAT LITTLE BEACH COMMUNITY IN A BAD LIGHT.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS ISSUE BEING PUT FORTH.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS ISSUE BY NOW.
I'M ON THE SIDE OF MY WIFE, WHO WITH HER TENNIS TEAMMATES HAVE FOLLOWED THE RULES, PAID A SUBSTANTIAL FEE AND BEEN GRANTED THE RIGHT TO PLAY DURING A SINGLE WORKDAY MORNING EACH WEEK THIS FALL.
FOR SOME REASON, THIS CHALLENGES SOME STATUS QUO, WHERE LEAGUE GAMES HAVE BEEN HELD FOR YEARS WITHOUT ANY SUCH PERMIT.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
BUT HOW COULD THAT BE? HOW COULD YOU SCHEDULE LEAGUE MATCHES WITHOUT CERTAINTY THAT THE COURTS WOULD BE AVAILABLE, AND ON THE WEEKENDS AT THAT.
THIS IS A QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELVES.
DO THESE PLAYERS SHOW UP HOURS EARLY? DO THEY BULLY PEOPLE OFF COURTS? I DON'T KNOW. BUT HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW.
IN CONCERT WITH CITY STAFF, YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULING SYSTEM WITH CLEARLY DELINEATED RULES FOR ALL.
BE THEY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PROFESSIONALS LOOKING TO TEACH, OR THOSE WHO HAVE A REGULAR LEAGUE WHERE COURT RESERVATIONS, AGAIN, ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THOSE TRAVELING FROM GREAT DISTANCES HAVE A COURT TO PLAY ON.
CLEARLY DEFINED RULES AND AN EASY TO USE RESERVATION SYSTEM. THIS CAN HAPPEN.
I KNOW IT CAN, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT AS WE ALL CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP AND FUNDING OF THESE SHARED CITY RESOURCES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> BROOK ANDERSON, FOLLOWED BY KELLY DIAZ.
>> COMMISSIONERS, MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS BROOK ANDERSON.
I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET WITH TIM.
>> I PLAY ON THE LEAGUE TEAM THAT PAID A FEE AND RECEIVED A PERMIT FOR RESERVING THE COURTS AT JACK RUSSELL.
A FEW POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
LEAGUES ARE PLAYED OUT OF PUBLIC COURTS ACROSS JACKSONVILLE,
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INCLUDING BOON PARK, SOUTHSIDE, FORT FAMILY TENNESS CENTER, AND HUGUENOT.RESERVATIONS ARE ALWAYS MADE IN ADVANCE FOR LEAGUE PLAY.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT I'M AWARE OF ARE A COUPLE OF USTA LEAGUES THAT PLAY OUT OF JACK RUSSELL, WHICH DO NOT FOLLOW THE STANDARD.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE SOLUTION TO ALL THIS WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT COURT RESERVATIONS CAN BE MADE FOR THE PROS OR LEAGUE PLAY IF GUIDELINES ARE MET.
CURRENTLY, THIS INVOLVES PAYING A FEE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION TO THIS EFFECT THAT WENT OUT TO THE ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS A FEW YEARS AGO.
THIS IS NOT A NEW PERMITTING PROCESS.
PERMITS HAVE BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST FOR COURT USAGE.
JUST BECAUSE THE TEAM HAS DONE SOMETHING ONE WAY FOR A LONG TIME DOESN'T MAKE IT THE RIGHT WAY.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ANGER IS MISPLACED.
ARE THOSE OPPOSED NOT WELCOME TO ALSO PAY A FEE AND REQUEST A PERMIT, OR ARE THEY UPSET THAT THEY DID NOT REALIZE THIS WAS AN OPTION? IF SO, MAYBE THE CITY COULD ISSUE COMMUNICATIONS OR UPDATE THE WEBSITE SO THAT THIS OPTION IS NOT OVERLOOKED IN THE FUTURE.
FOR THIS YEAR, WE REQUEST THAT THE PERMIT BE HONORED AS WE ALREADY PAY LEAGUE FEES AND HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO HOST TEAMS FROM ALL ACROSS JACKSONVILLE BASED ON A PERMIT THAT WE PAID FOR AND FOLLOW THE RULES TO ACQUIRE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ARE YOU KELLY DIAZ? YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT.
EILEEN EDSELL, FOLLOWED BY MEREDITH FRISCH.
GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS EILEEN EDSELL, AND I AM AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE THURSDAY MORNING A1 FIRST COAST TENNIS TEAM TO DISCUSS THE IMPORTANT MATTER, THE NEED TO HONOR THE PERMITS THE TEAM ACQUIRED FOR RESERVING THE RUSSELL PARK TENNIS COURTS FOR OUR LEAGUE PLAY, WHICH WERE APPROVED AND PAID THROUGH MAY OF 2025.
THESE PERMITS WERE ACQUIRED THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, ENSURING THAT WE COMPLIED WITH THE CITY'S REGULATIONS REGARDING THE RESERVATION AND USE OF PUBLIC FACILITIES.
HOWEVER, THERE RECENTLY HAVE BEEN ISSUES WHERE OUR PERMITS WERE NOT RESPECTED.
AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT, THE NAME OF, WHO HAS MADE IT HER MISSION TO SHOW UP AT THE COURTS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DISRUPTING OUR MATCHES.
THIS HAS CAUSED FRUSTRATION AND UNCERTAINTY, NOT JUST FOR OUR LEAGUE MEMBERS BUT FOR EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN UTILIZING THE TENNIS COURTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PUBLIC RESOURCES LIKE TENNIS COURTS MUST BALANCE ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL RESIDENTS.
ISSUING PERMITS SERVES AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN ENSURING THAT GROUPS LIKE OURS CAN SCHEDULE AND MANAGE CONSISTENT ORGANIZED MATCHES.
THEY PROVIDE STRUCTURE, PREVENT CONFLICTS OVER USAGE, AND ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THE TENNIS COURTS FAIRLY.
WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT US BY ENFORCING THE IMPORTANCE OF HONORING THESE PERMITS.
DOING SO HELPS US MAINTAIN ORDER, FAIRNESS, AND IT UPHOLDS THE TRUST THAT WE, AS RESIDENTS OF ATLANTIC BEACH, PLACE IN THE CITY'S ABILITY TO MANAGE THESE COURTS EFFECTIVELY.
WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND PARKS DEPARTMENT TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
BUT WITHOUT THE CERTAINTY OF OUR PERMITS BEING HONORED, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT FOR US TO HONOR THE COMMITMENT WE MADE TO OUR LEAGUE IN BEING ABLE TO RESERVE COURTS FOR HOME MATCHES.
I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT PERMITS ISSUED BY THE CITY, ALLOWING US TO RESERVE THE COURTS FOR OUR LEAGUE MATCHES BE RESPECTED AND ENFORCED. THANK YOU.
MEREDITH FRISCH, FOLLOWED BY CLAUDIA ADAMS. HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.
AS YOU KNOW, I WROTE YOU ALL LETTERS ABOUT LEAGUE PLAY OUT OF JACK RUSSELL PARK, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO STATE IT PUBLICLY HERE.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT WE CAME UPON THIS HONESTLY.
THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENTION TO UPSET ANYONE OR TO DIVIDE A COMMUNITY.
I'M THE CAPTAIN OF OUR JACK RUSSELL TEAM, AND IN THE SPRING, WE HAD THE IDEA TO FORM A TEAM OUT OF JACK RUSSELL.
WE FIRST CONTACTED THE LEAGUE, WHICH ALREADY HAD JACK RUSSELL AS AN APPROVED LOCATION ON THEIR END.
WE THEN APPROACHED AND WENT THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AT THE CITY FOR A PERMIT.
IT WAS APPROVED IN APRIL OF 2024.
JUST SO ALL OF YOU KNOW OUR SEASON RUNS FROM SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY OF NEXT YEAR.
WE WENT BACK TO OUR SCHEDULER AT THE LEAGUE, AND THEY MADE OUR SEASON TO HOST HOME MATCHES.
I ALSO NEED TO MENTION THAT PER LEAGUE REQUIREMENT ALL LEAGUE MATCHES MUST START AT 9:30.
SORRY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT I'M A MEMBER OF THE SATURDAY TEAM LEAGUE OUT OF
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JACK RUSSELL PARK AND HAD ASSUMED THAT THEY HAD FOLLOWED THE RULES TO GET A PERMIT.LIKE BROOKS STATED, MOST OF THE PUBLIC PARKS IN JACKSONVILLE DEFER TO LEAGUE PLAY.
I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH MAYOR FORD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
LAST WEEK, WHERE HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE SITUATION AND THAT HAS SHED LIGHT ON THE FACT THAT PERHAPS THE CITY NEEDS A MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE LEAGUE PLAYED OUT OF JACK RUSSELL PARK FOR BOTH MEN, WOMEN, AND MIXED TEAMS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK THAT THE CITY HONOR OUR PERMIT THROUGH THE END OF THE SEASON, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I FEEL LIKE IT GIVES ATLANTA BEACH A REALLY POOR REPUTATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
ALSO, I WANT TO PUT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS A TEAM THAT ANYBODY CAN JOIN.
ANYBODY WHO'S QUALIFIED TO BE AN A MEMBER OF A TEAM, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU.
CLAUDIA ADAMS, FOLLOWED BY ALLIE HALL.
HI. CLAUDIA ADAMS. I LIVE AT 880 BEACH AVENUE, AND I AM JUST SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROTOCOLS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE COURT RESERVATION AT JACK RUSSELL.
WE HOPE THAT WHEN YOU RECONSIDER IN DECEMBER TO GO THROUGH MAY, WE HOPE YOU WILL DO THAT.
I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE DIDN'T SEEM REALLY HARD FOR US TO FOLLOW, AND I THINK ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO DO THAT.
WE JUST ASK THAT YOU EXTEND THE PERMIT AS WE ASK FOR THROUGH MAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MISS ADAMS. ALLIE HALL, FOLLOWED BY SHILOH KLEIN.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALLIE HALL, AND I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE BEACHES, WHO HAS ENJOYED BULL PARK AND RUSSELL PARK MY ENTIRE LIFE.
MY PARENTS HAVE LIVED OFF OF 20TH STREET SINCE 1986, AND MY DAD, ALAN HALL, IS AN AVID TENNIS PLAYER THAT YOU COULD FIND PLAYING ON COURT 1 FOR 30 YEARS.
USED TO BE CALLED THE YOUNG GUYS.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT LEAGUE PLAY AT THE JACK RUSSELL COURTS, AND I'M ALSO HERE TO ENCOURAGE A FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE VOCALLY AND PHYSICALLY OPPOSED LEAGUE PLAY TO CONSIDER THE INTENT OF THOSE YOU OPPOSE AND GIVE PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
ARE ALL SO PRIVILEGED TO GET TO PLAY TENNIS ON A WEEKDAY MORNING, AND FOR MANY OF US, IF NOT MOST OF US, TENNIS IS AN OUTLET TO PROCESS OR FORGET ABOUT THE WORRIES AND CHALLENGES WE FACE WHEN WE STEP OFF THE COURT.
TO AGGRESSIVELY TARGET BY NAME PLAYERS ON THE LEAGUE ROSTER, AS WELL AS PUBLIC SERVICE MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY APPROPRIATELY REQUESTED AND APPROVED A PERMIT FOR ONE DAY A WEEK FOR THREE HOURS OF PLAY IS DISAPPOINTING AND HAS CREATED UNNECESSARY TENSION IN OUR AMAZING AND CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY.
I'LL ADD IT'S ALSO SURPRISING WHO SOME OF THESE VOCAL INDIVIDUALS ARE GIVEN MANY OF US HAVE SHARED COURTS, 4, 5 AND 6 FOR PAID CLINICS THAT TAKE UP THE COURTS FOR HOURS AT A TIME, PLAYED ON TEAMS TOGETHER AT OTHER CITY COURTS AND WHO I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED, ASKED OTHERS TO LEAVE COURTS DUE TO LEAGUE PLAY ON FRIDAY NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS.
IT BEGS THE QUESTION, HAD YOU BEEN ASKED TO JOIN THESE SPECIFIC PERMITTED LEAGUE TEAMS, WOULD YOU BE SO CONVICTED? I'M CONFUSED WHY THE REACTION IS SO STRONG IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE ALREADY PLAYED ON RESERVED COURTS IN APRIL AND FOR THREE MONTHS IN JUNE THROUGH AUGUST FOR OUR USTA LEAGUES.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE CAPTAINS OF THE TEAMS AND THE LENGTH OF THE PERMIT.
IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER, WE PAID FEES TO THE CITY TO APPROPRIATELY RESERVE THE COURTS IN ADVANCE FOR THE SEASON, AND THE CITY BENEFITED FROM ASSIGNED LIABILITY RELEASE FROM ALL TEAM MEMBERS AND OPPONENTS, EACH HOME MATCH, JUST AS THEY ARE BENEFITING WITH THIS CURRENT THURSDAY MORNING.
I'M GOING TO END WITH SAYING THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE PERMITS ALREADY ISSUED ARE HONORED, THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS OPPOSING THE PERMITS SPEND THEIR ENERGY ON DESIGNING A LEAGUE PLAY PLAN FOR THE CITY AND RESPECT THE CITY'S CURRENT DECISION AND THE TEAMS THAT SHOW UP TO PLAY ON THURSDAY MORNING'S RIGHT TO PLAY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
SHILOH KLEIN, FOLLOWED BY ANASTASIA HOUSTON. REDUNDANT.
SORRY, KING. I WROTE A LITTLE SPEECH READY.
MY NAME IS SHILOH KLEIN, AND I LIVE AT 3:25 FOURTH STREET, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO DID NOT STATE THAT THEY ARE ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS.
A REALLY QUICK. I'M ON THAT SAME LITTLE TEAM, AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS WHY PEOPLE ARE GETTING FIRED UP, BUT I REALIZED THAT I THINK IT'S MISINFORMATION.
I WANT TO DEBUNK SOME OF THESE THEORIES, AND JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE ONLY TRYING TO DEBUNK BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH HOSTILITY.
IT'S REALLY WEIRD AMONGST WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT LIKE I STATED IN MY LETTER TO THE CITY A FEW WEEKS AGO, BY US FOLLOWING THE RULES AND FILING A PERMIT AND PAYING A FEE, THERE WAS NO ILL INTENT TOWARDS THE PROS OR A TEAM THAT WAS LEGALLY SANCTIONED.
WE DON'T CARE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES OUT THERE.
I LOVE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE BEST TENNIS PROS HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'VE ALSO USED THEM, AND I LOVE THEM.
I LOVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A WORKING WOMEN'S TEAM,
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MIXED DOUBLES, MEN'S LEAGUE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.AS AN AVID TENNIS PLAYER, I SUPPORT THIS.
AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME, SPARK JOY. IT'S GREAT.
WE KNEW FLETCHER'S HIGH SCHOOL TEAM USED A PERMIT, AND THEY GREAT GOT THESE GREAT LITTLE SIGNS.
WE WOULD NEVER HAVE TO ASK ANYONE TO LEAVE THE COURT.
THERE WOULD BE NO CONFRONTATION, AND SO WE SAID, AS RULE FOLLOWERS, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
THE FIRST THING, IT WAS NEVER MILLICIA.
I WANT TO DEBUNK THAT OUR TEAMMATE PULLED STRINGS TO GET OUR PERMIT.
WE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR SOMETHING REALLY JUICY, NOT THREE HOURS ON A PUBLIC COURT.
DEBUNK THEORY NUMBER 3, THAT MR. HOGAN CAMP CREATED A PERMIT THAT NEVER EXISTED JUST FOR US.
THERE'S THIS WONDERFUL LITTLE DESK THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT TWO LITTLE PEOPLE WORK THERE, AND THEY TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW TO GET A CHICKEN, GET A FREE TREE, GET A BONFIRE, WHATEVER YOU NEED, ANY TAX PAYING CITIZEN CAN GET ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE.
YOU CAN GET A PERMIT FOR ANYTHING.
WE BROUGHT POLICE OFFICERS. NO, WE DID NOT.
WE'RE NON CONFRONTATIONAL. THAT'S ALL WE THINK.
OR AS SUNSHINE AS MY FRIEND SHILOH HERE.
I'M MORE FACTUAL. MY NAME IS ANASTASIA HOUSTON.
I LIVE ON SEVENTH STREET RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, AVID TENNIS PLAYER BEEN USING JACK RUSSELL FOR YEARS, AND I AM ALSO THE CAPTAIN OF ONE OF THE PERMITTED TEAMS THERE.
SINCE I'LL BE UNDER THE GUN TO MAKE TIME, I'M GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT.
I'M HERE OBVIOUSLY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TENNIS PLAY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF UPROAR BEING DRUMMED UP MOSTLY UNDER FALSE NARRATIVE AND ACCUSATIONS MADE AGAINST CITY STAFF FOR NOT FOLLOWING PROPER PROTOCOL, NOT PROTECTING OUR RISK MANAGEMENT POLICIES, AND OTHER SUCH THINGS, WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
WE HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WHO ARE OPERATING UNDER THEIR PROTOCOL AND WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN PROTECTING THEM BY OBTAINING PERMITS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE PAID THAT WE HAVE SIGNED LIABILITY WAIVERS FROM EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT IS PLAYING FOR OUR TEAMS ON THOSE COURTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE SAID FOR ALL THESE OTHER AN NON PERMITTED TEAMS AND OTHER PLAYERS.
THE OTHER POINT IS THAT THERE'S NO CONSPIRACY HERE.
THERE'S NO ILL INTENT, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, SO I'LL GLOSS OVER THAT.
BUT TO INSINUATE THAT STRINGS WERE PULLED AND CITY PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO DULL OUT FAVORS.
THERE'S NO EVEN REASON OR INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO HAVE DONE SO.
ALSO, AS IT'S ALREADY BEEN STATED, TENNIS LEAGUES HAVE BEEN OPERATING OUT OF JACK RUSSELL FOUR YEARS, AND IRONICALLY, AND JUST TO BRING UP THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING.
TWO OF THOSE SPEAKERS FROM LAST COMMISSION MEETING PLAY ON THAT UNSANCTIONED WORKING WOMEN'S TEAM ON SATURDAYS. IT'S AN EMERGENCY.
ON SATURDAYS. THEY DO SO WITHOUT A PERMIT, OPENING UP THE CITY TO RISK AND HAVING PEOPLE OFF THE COURTS IN ORDER TO GET THEIR PLAY.
2% IS THE PERCENTAGE OF PLAYING TIME THAT I ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR IN THIS PERMIT.
IF YOU ESTIMATE 14 HOURS A DAY OF PLAYING TIME, ONE DAY A WEEK FOR OUR SHORT SEASON FOR 3 HOURS, ESSENTIALLY EQUATES TO 2%, WHICH IS SO NEGLIGIBLE AND REALLY A WASTE OF YOUR TIME TO EVEN BE DEALING WITH.
THE CITY STAFF IS HANDLING THINGS BEAUTIFULLY AND SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO.
WE ASK THAT YOU HONOR OUR PERMITS THROUGH THE END OF THE SEASON AND CONTINUE YOUR GOOD WORK. THANK YOU.
LEE ELMORE, FOLLOWED BY COLETTE WILEY.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW.
COLETTE WILEY, FOLLOWED BY GREGORY POWELL.
WITH A RECENT RAINSTORM, MY ENTIRE BACKYARD AND THE CRAWL SPACE UNDER MY HOUSE WAS FLOODED.
STILL TODAY I HAVE STANDING WATER.
THIS PORTION OF LIMBO BLAINE HAS NO DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THE FRONT OR BACK OF MY HOUSE.
IN THE BACK, THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A NATURAL DRAINAGE DITCH.
BUT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS GIVEN PERMITS AND VARIANCES, THIS NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND NATURAL DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS NO LONGER WORKING.
WORRIED ABOUT THE DAMAGE TO MY HOME, MY FOUNDATION, AND POSSIBLE HEALTH RISKS RELATED TO MOLD, I CALLED PUBLIC WORKS AND WAS TOLD THAT THE WHOLE CITY WAS FLOODED AND I NEEDED TO CALL MY INSURANCE.
I THEN CALLED THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND WAS DIRECTED BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS.
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NOT GETTING ANY HELP, I CALLED OUR CURRENT MAYOR, AND UP TO DATE, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A CALL BACK.I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO HAVE A TALK ABOUT THIS.
IN THE PAST, I HAVE CALLED THE PREVIOUS TWO MAYORS AND BOTH HAVE ANSWERED OR RETURNED MY PHONE CALLS.
AGAIN, BEING A RESIDENT OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH AND A TAXPAYER FOR SUCH THINGS AS THE CITY STORM WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN.
I CALLED SEPTIC COMPANIES, POOL COMPANIES, FLOOD RESTORATION COMPANIES, AND SO FORTH.
AFTER ABOUT 100 CALLS, I FOUND OUT THERE IS NO THAT NO ONE PUMPS GROUNDWATER OR CRAWL SPACES UNDER THE HOUSE.
MY HUSBAND THEN WENT AND PURCHASED AND RENTED.
THIS WAS ALSO UNSUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THERE WAS NOWHERE TO PUMP THE WATER, AND WHAT LITTLE WE DID GET OUT WAS REPLACED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS FLOODING.
I WILL END BY SAYING, I AM DISAPPOINTED IN OUR CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. THANK YOU.
STEPHEN CURTIS, FOLLOWED BY KATRINA TERRELL.
[INAUDIBLE] HELLO. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
I'M A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR TWO YEARS.
I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 6:13 PARADISE COURT.
PARADISE COURT IS LOCATED BETWEEN ON RIGHT OFF OF MAIN STREET BETWEEN LEVY AND DUTTON ISLAND ROAD.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO INCLUDE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, PARADISE COVE AND ANY FUTURE DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF NOT ONE HOME, NOT TWO, BUT 22 HOMES.
THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE DRAINING OFF OF KESNER ROAD, WHICH IS SOUTH OF US, AND THERE IS A BLOCKAGE SOMEWHERE ON KESNER AND ON MAIN STREET.
IF YOU GO ONTO GOOGLE MAPS, YOU COULD PULL UP CERTAIN ADDRESS ON THE 1570 MAIN STREET, YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE GOOGLE MAPS TOOK PICTURES ON MAY 2024. WHO KNOWS WHAT DATE IT WAS? WHAT WAS THE CLEAR DAY? YOU COULD SEE A BIG PUDDLE THERE.
IF YOU GO IN THE SAME GOOGLE MAPS AND LOOK AT KESNER, AND MAIN STREET, YOU'LL SEE A TINY LITTLE PUDDLE THERE.
IT IS PRONE TO FLOOD, AND, OF COURSE, THIS SEASON, IT REALLY FLOODED.
THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD FLOOD BECAUSE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DRAINING INTO MAIN STREET AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO SOUTH TO LIVE ROAD, BUT SOMETHING'S PREVENTING IT, AND YOU CAN SEE JUST BY LOOKING AT THE MAP.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OUR PUBLIC WORKS TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WATER WAS GETTING HIGH AND PEOPLE WERE ASKING, DO YOU HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
>> KATRINA TERRELL, FOLLOWED BY LOIS NEWMAN.
>> KATRINA TERRELL. I LIVE AT 602 PARADISE COURT IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS STEVE, AND I'M JUST HERE TO BRING AWARENESS AND ASK FOR OUR PIECE OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE PRIORITIZED IN THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE PLANS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE CORNER OF PARADISE COURT AND MAIN STREET.
I HAVE A RETENTION DITCH ALONG MY PROPERTY ALONG MAIN STREET, AND MY DRIVEWAY, MY NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY, IT BACKS UP 3-4 HOUSES WHEN IT RAINS ONLY TWO HOURS, AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR NINE YEARS.
AND IT HAS PROGRESSIVELY GOTTEN WORSE.
I CAN'T GET IN MY CAR WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE MY SHOES OFF.
THEN THIS PAST RAIN THE LAST TWO, THREE WEEKS, I HAVE SEVERAL PICTURES FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
IT WAS FLOODED BETWEEN OUR HOUSES, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MINE, IT WAS FLOODED UP TO THEIR FOUNDATION.
PLEASE CONSIDER US AND YOUR PLANS PRIORITIZE US.
>> LOIS NEWMAN, FOLLOWED BY MARK [INAUDIBLE].
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 37 YEARS.
MY HOUSE SITS PERPENDICULAR ON THE SOUTH END OF OAK CIRCLE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMATIC CUL DE SACS IN ATLANTIC BEACH THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PAST FEW COMMISSION MEETINGS.
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I HAD SEVEN DAYS OF CALF DEEP WATER ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE.EACH TIME WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL INCH OR A HALF INCH OF RAIN, IT WOULD EBB AND FLOW INTO MY BACK PORCH, LIKE THE TIDE.
AFTER ABOUT ANOTHER SEVEN DAYS, THE STANDING WATER WAS GONE.
I DID ASK THE MAYOR TO COME OUT.
I HAD THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS OUT.
THEN I ALSO REQUESTED OUR MAYOR WHO IS GOING TO RUN IN THE FALL TO COME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION.
[LAUGHTER] I ALSO CALLED MR. KILLINGSWORTH'S OFFICE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE REALLY LIKE OUR CEO AND APPROPRIATE FUNDS.
THE LADY THAT SPOKE WHO JUST LEFT WHO LIVES ON LIVE OAK LANE, HER PROPERTY BACKS UP TO MINE.
SHE'S NEXT IN THE CHAIN FROM OAK CIRCLE THAN MY HOUSE.
THEN THERE ARE TWO THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE BETWEEN HERS AND MINE, ALL FLOODED COMPLETELY.
AS THE AMERICAN ATTEST, THERE WAS LIKE A RESERVOIR BEHIND MY HOUSE.
THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ADDED SOIL TO THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY TO KEEP THE WATER OUT, AND IT DOES ACCUMULATE IN THIS ONE LOW AREA.
I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTED ATLANTIC BEACH'S UNPREPAREDNESS FOR STORM DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE.
THE PATHWAYS TO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO NOT APPROVE ROLLBACKS OR EASE REGULATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
>> UNTIL YOU FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. NEWMAN
>> WE ARE YOUR NEW AQUATIC GARDENS. THANK YOU.
>> MARK [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY HOLLY WATERS.
>> GOOD EVENING. MARK [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S UNUSUAL FOR ME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM 1A.
THAT'S THE LAST MEETING MINUTES.
BUT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT LETTER THERE.
I URGE ALL OF YOU TO READ THAT LETTER ONE MORE TIME, AND I URGE THAT ALL CITIZENS READ THAT LETTER.
HE WAS SUPERVISOR OF SHIPBUILDING NAVAL STATION MAYPORT, ATTENDED ALL KINDS OF SCHOOLS IN NAVY MIT GRADUATE.
HE KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
HE KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
HIS LETTER IS VERY ILLUMINATING.
AND IF WE CAN GET PICTURES FROM OUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT POOLS, WE CAN GET A STATEMENT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE COMING UP TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS THEY HAVE WITH FLOODING.
IF WE HAD A LIST OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING, LIKE WE HAVE A LIST OF POOLS, WE CAN THEN PRIORITIZE AND COME UP WITH THE PLAN TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS. THE PROBLEM THAT LOIS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE DRAINAGE GOES INTO A 20 FOOT EASEMENT AT THE END OF OAK CIRCLE, 20 FOOT EASEMENT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S PROBABLY JUST A SPADE FULL OF DIRT REMOVED TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT WATER.
IF WE PRIORITIZE OUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, WE'LL BE STEPS AHEAD ANYTIME WE GET A LARGE RAINFALL.
ASK CARL ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
ASK SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE OUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, AS WELL AS OUR CAPEX CAPITAL EXPENDITURES GOING FORWARD.
WITHOUT HAVING A PROPER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AHEAD OF CHAPTER 24, I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO CHANGE CHAPTER 24 AND CHAPTER 23, BY THE WAY, HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE ONCE THEY'RE PASSED.
I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, AND THEY'RE SWIMMING OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, GET THEM ALL IN A ROW AND GET THEM SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR STORMWATER PROBLEMS FIRST BEFORE WE TRY TO MANAGE THEM. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SORRY, HOLLY WATERS FOLLOWED BY CARL KLEIN.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS HOLLY WATERS.
THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER A MASTER STORMWATER PLAN BEFORE LOOSENING REGULATIONS IN CHAPTER 24 THAT ADDRESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND STORMWATER ISSUES.
FLOODING HAS BECOME A REGULAR EVENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IT IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE AND NOT JUST IN THE TRADITIONALLY FLOOD PRONE AREAS.
SPECIFICALLY, CHANGING POOLS FROM 50% PERVIOUS TO
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75 ONLY WILL ALLOW FOR MORE BUILDING COVERAGE.MEGA MANSIONS WITH POOLS WILL CONTINUE TO SPROUT UP.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN PERMEABLE PAVERS IS PUZZLING.
SINCE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, CITY INSPECTORS LOOKED AT MY PERVIOUS PAVERS AND SAID THESE TYPE OF PAVERS WILL JUST GET COLLECT DIRT AND WILL NEVER BE PERVIOUS.
CURRENTLY, OUR IMPERVIOUS PAVERS ARE SPROUTING LITTLE WEEDS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EVEN WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES IN THE DIAGRAM, THAT THESE PERVIOUS PAVERS WILL EVER BE CONTINUE TO BE PERVIOUS.
ALSO, INCREASING THE TRIGGER FOR ONSITE STORMWATER SYSTEMS FROM 250 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO 400 SEEMS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF THE CITY'S FLOODING PROBLEMS. I HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER A STORMWATER PLAN BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE ISSUES IN CHAPTER 24. THANK YOU.
>> CARL KLEIN, FOLLOWED BY ELLEN GLASER.
>> I'M CARL KLEIN. I LIVE IN 1918 OAK CIRCLE.
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS THAT DISTINGUISHED.
MR. COMMISSIONERS, AND MR. COMMISSIONERS, AND THE MAYOR.
I AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES TO ASK FOR A RESOLUTION TO THE CHRONIC FLOODING THAT HAS PLAGUED US ON OAK CIRCLE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT, HOWEVER, TO TELL YOU THAT THE PROBLEM ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN OAK CIRCLE.
YOU HAVE, OR I HAVE ALREADY AND WILL HEAR MORE PROBLEMS FROM OTHERS EXPERIENCING FLOODING WHO LIVE ALONG 19TH STREET AND LIVE OAK LANE AND THEIR NEAR VICINITIES.
THESE PROPERTIES NATURALLY DRAIN INTO 19TH STREET, THEN DOWN THE WESTERN LANE OF OAK CIRCLE, THENCE INTO THE OAK CIRCLE AND [INAUDIBLE] SWALES, THENCE NORTHWARD EVENTUALLY INTO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.
OAK CIRCLE MUCH DISCUSSED PROBLEMS WITH IMPROPERLY GRADED PAVING AND CLOGGED SWALES ARE NOW CAUSING UPSTREAM FLOODING SOUTH OF 19TH STREET.
WE KNOW THAT MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE, BUT THE NEED IS NOW.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE NOW TO ALLEVIATE THE FLOODING, PARTICULARLY IT'S HURRICANE SEASON? CAN ANYONE IN CITY GOVERNMENT TELL US PRECISELY WHAT WILL BE DONE AND WHEN? MAY WE SEE THE PLANS AND THE CONTRACT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS? I THANK YOU FOR INITIATING THESE PROJECTS AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
>> ELLEN GLASER, FOLLOWED BY ANNA TERRY.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. I'M ELLEN GLASER.
I LIVE ON BEACH AVENUE, AND MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE A LOT ON THE AGENDA, AND I THINK PERHAPS TOO MUCH BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS VERY DENSE MATERIAL.
FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M A HUGE FAN OF GREEN FOR LIFE GFL.
THREE OF YOU UP THERE VOTED WITH ME ON THAT CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT THEY UPDATE THEIR FEES, SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
THEY'RE VERY FRIENDLY, VERY HARD WORKING, AND THEY DO A LOT MORE THAN THEY NEED TO.
WITH THE BUDGET, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED FOR THE LAST YEAR THAT WE SET A RATE LAST YEAR THAT MIGHT DIMINISH SOME OF THE SERVICES WE RECEIVE AROUND TOWN.
I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MANY IMPORTANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, PERHAPS THE MAINTENANCE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE DONE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
I'M CURIOUS WHERE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN QUEUED UP IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE CORE CITY, WHERE YOU HAVE ROOM FOR PROJECTS LIKE OAK CIRCLE, PARADISE COURT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FUND THOSE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT? I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT WELL, THE CITY SHOULD MANAGE THE STORMWATER FOR WHATEVER A PRIVATE CITIZEN WANTS TO BUILD, AND I WOULD RESPOND THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP UP, AND IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.
SO WE HAVE TO FIND BALANCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE REASONABLE CODES, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE REASONABLE RIGHT SIZE BUILDING. THAT'S WITH THE BUDGET.
FINALLY, ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, I THINK IT'S IRONIC THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE TONIGHT TO ALLOW MORE SURFACE COVERAGE AND MORE FLEXIBILITY AFTER SEEING THE WORST FLOODING WE'VE SEEN IN OUR CITY FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
THE LAST TIME WE DID AN UPDATE FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD THAT RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT WAS THE MOST PRESSING IN TERMS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT,
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AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO SEE HOW THAT HAS PROGRESSED WITH THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE.SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO WAIT AND GET THE DATA TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO CAVE TO PROSPECTORS AND SPECIAL INTERESTS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL DEFER THAT PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE] AND REGULATIONS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] OFF DRIVEWAY FROM THIS MORNING.
>> ANNA TERRY, FOLLOWED BY EILEEN BILDMAN.
>> HEY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR FORD.
MY NAME IS ANNA TERRY, AND I ALSO LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, AND I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TENNIS COURT SITUATION.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS STILL NO PUBLIC WAY FOR EVERYBODY OR ANYONE TO RESERVE COURTS.
THERE IS NO RESERVATION PORTAL. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
NOW, I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I FINALLY GOT ALL THE DOCUMENTS BACK.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS NO APPLICATION FOR THESE PERMITS THAT THESE LADIES ARE SPEAKING ABOUT.
THERE'S NO APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROCESS.
I HAVE THE EMAILS FROM THE CITY THAT PROVE THAT THIS REQUEST CAME FROM DIRECTLY FROM LISA GOODRICH TO KEVIN HOGENCAMP.
THERE IS NO APPLICATION FOR IT, SO IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT OPEN. IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY COULD HAVE GOTTEN ONE.
LISA GOODRICH, WHO SERVES ON THE ARTS AND RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE, MADE A DIRECT REQUEST TO KEVIN HOGENCAMP BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
TO RESERVE FOUR COURTS OUT OF THE SIX COURTS AT JACK RUSSELL FOR NINE MONTHS.
NOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF EMAILS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN HIM AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WOULD ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THE PARKS, NOT THE TWO LADIES OVER HERE, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED, THOSE ARE JUST BUILDING PERMITS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE PERMITS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO CHARGE AND WHAT THE PROCESS WAS.
BUT BY JUNE, MS. GOODRICH RESERVATIONS WERE IN THE SYSTEM AT $25 A DAY FOR FOUR QUARTS FOR NINE MONTHS.
THE CITY KNEW ABOUT THESE LEAGUE PLAY RESERVATIONS SINCE APRIL WHEN MISSES GOODRICH ASKED MR. HOGENCAMP FOR THESE.
YET, IT WASN'T UNTIL AUGUST THAT THE CITY STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER A LEAGUE POLICY WITH THE HELP OF MS. GOODRICH, OF COURSE, BECAUSE SHE'S ON THE ARTS AND RECREATION CULTURE COMMITTEE.
NOW, I KNOW THESE TEAMS WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY JUST WANT TO PLAY TENNIS.
BUT I WAS THERE THE LAST TWO THURSDAYS, AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.
BOTH DAYS, THE POLICE ARE THERE INTIMIDATING OTHER RESIDENTS TO GET OFF THE COURT SO THEY CAN HAVE IT.
>> THAT'S NOT TRUE. THE POLICE WEREN'T THERE?
>> I HAVE THE PICTURES. THEY WERE THERE.
>> NEXT, EILEEN BILDMAN, FOLLOWED BY NANCY STOTTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT. NANCY STOTTS, FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE BARKER.
>> HI, EVERYBODY. THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY LESS DRAMATIC.
I'M I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT TENNIS.
DON'T CROSS WITH THESE LADY TENNIS PLAYERS.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED. MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FLOODING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE BEEN HERE ONLY SEVEN YEARS, BUT I'VE HEARD IT TIME AND AGAIN, IT IS GETTING WORSE.
EVERYONE HERE WILL AGREE TO THAT.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, COMMISSIONERS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WORKING HARD TO WORK AGAINST IT.
YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WORKING AGAINST YOU, WHICH IS CHANGES IN OUR OCEAN TEMPERATURE, MAKING MORE STORMS, CHANGES IN OUR ACTUAL TEMPERATURE, HOLDING MORE WATER, SO IT IS WORSE.
IT'S A RISK. IT'S A HEALTH RISK.
IT'S A SAFETY RISK, AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO NOT CONSIDER ANY MEASURES THAT INCREASE THE LENIENCY IN TERMS OF PERMEABILITY OF OUR PROPERTY UNTIL WE GET ANOTHER STUDY.
WE NEED TO STOP THE GRANDFATHERING, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FIRST STEP UNLESS THERE'S A NATURAL DISASTER.
IF SOMEONE BUYS A LOT FROM YEARS PAST THAT TAKES UP 80%, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR NEW REGULATIONS.
DON'T INCREASE THE TRIGGER FOR ONSITE STORAGE TO 400 FROM KEEP IT AT 250.
POOLS AT 50% IS FAIR. IT'S A MIDPOINT.
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IT REALLY SHOULD BE ZERO BECAUSE ANY POOL THAT'S PERMEABLE IS REALLY NOT A POOL, AND YOU'VE SCREWED BY THE POOL GUY.PAVERS. WE NEED TO VET PAVERS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY WORK, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A POLICY FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE MAINTAINED.
THE FINAL THING IS, I'M SORRY TO HEAR SO MUCH VITRIOL.
THIS IS SUCH A WONDERFUL TOWN, AND WE SHOULD TRY TO FIND A WAY AS LEADERS TO GET US TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER AND SOLVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE ALL NEED TO SWIM AND NOT SINK. THANK YOU.
>> SUZANNE BARKER, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN LEE.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COMMISSIONERS.
SUZANNE BARKER, 1938 BACH SITE COURT.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN CHAPTER 24.
I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT A LOT OF THE CITIZENS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FLOODING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WHICH I'VE NEVER SEEN.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 30 YEARS, AND I HAD A POOL IN MY BACKYARD, WHICH I DIDN'T PLAN ON HAVING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE WITH THE FLOODING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE FIND A RESOLUTION OR A WAY TO STOP THE CURRENT FLOODING BEFORE WE CONSIDER ANY CHANGES TO OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
MY HUSBAND WHO IS A SELF TAUGHT ENGINEER AND HAS SAID THAT IF YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT, YOU CAN'T MANAGE IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE CAN MEASURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR CITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT AFFECTING JUST ONE AREA.
IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> NATHAN LEE, FOLLOWED BY TODD MINER.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M NATHAN LEE.
I'M ON 1908 OAK CIRCLE, AND I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP CARL KLEIN'S LITTLE PRESENTATION.
HE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOCUMENTING AND PRESENTING OUR ISSUE ON OAK CIRCLE.
HE'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND DEALT WITH IT A LONG TIME.
WE DID HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM AT THAT TIME.
I THINK IT WAS MOSTLY A MAINTENANCE AS FAR AS THE DITCHES AND SWALES GO UNTIL THE ROAD UNTIL OAK CIRCLE WAS RETIMED, REDONE.
THAT'S WHEN THE HUMP THAT IS HOLDING THE WATER BACK HAS REALLY EXASPERATED THE PROBLEM.
IT'S A TWO-PART ONGOING MAINTENANCE, AND THEN THE ROAD IS IMPROPERLY GRADED.
I DID SEND SOME VIDEOS AND PICTURES OF OUR AQUATIC CENTER THERE WITH SOME FISH AND FROGS IN THE STREETS.
>> ENJOY THOSE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HELPING US.
WE HAVE BRINKLEY HARALD FOLLOWED BY CAROLYN ZIER.
>> BRINKLEY. THEN WE HAVE LISA HAROLD.
THESE ARE ALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS YOU'RE DEFERRING.
YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING? YOU HAD IT IN BOTH PLACES.
THEN ALBERT KERBER. YOU'RE UP.
>> ALMOST BROKE MY NECK COMING IN.
>> I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT CHAPTER 24 REVISION.
AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, HELLO EVERYBODY. THANKS FOR HEARING ME.
>> MR. KIRK, GIVE THE MIC JUST YELL.
>> DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS REPEATING THE SAME ACTION AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.
THE CITY OF JACKSVILL BEACH HAS HAD A 35% PERVIOUS SURFACE RESTRICTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR ROUGHLY 10 YEARS. I CALLED THEM AND ASKED.
THERE'S STILL SEVERE FLOODING ON THIRD STREET DURING THE PAST FEW WEEKS OF
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RANGE JUST LIKE WHEN I DROVE MY MOTORCYCLE THROUGH 50 YEARS AGO.SHOULD I BELIEVE ANYONE SAYING THAT 35% PERVIOUS SURFACE RESTRICTION ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN ATLANTIC BEACH WILL SOLVE OR DIMINISH FLOODING? THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE PERVIOUS PAVER STORAGE SYSTEMS LOCATED ACROSS THE PARKING LOT HAS A WATER LEVEL OBSERVATION TUBE THAT WASN'T THREE FLOTERS FULL AFTER ALL THE RAIN.
THIS IS REAL EVIDENCE THE SYSTEM IS WORKING NOW AND I MEAN REAL TIME.
THAT PERVIOUS PAVER VAULT STILL ISN'T FULL OF WATER AND APPEARS TO BE SOAKING UP EVERY DROP OF RAIN THAT HITS IT.
THE ANSWER FOR PERVIOUS PAVER SYSTEM IS AN INSPECTION PORT TO SEE THE WATER LEVEL.
THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY SAYS THE THING GOT PAVED OR SEALED, I SHOULD SAY, YOU CAN LOOK DOWN THE OBSERVATION PORT AND YOU CAN SEE WHETHER IT'S RETAINING WATER.
TO CONTROL THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S FLOODING ISSUE WITH THE PRESENT 45% STANDARD OR EVEN DECREASE THE RESIDENTIAL LOT COVERAGE AND RESTRICT DOWN TO 35% WILL TAKE 15-20 YEARS OF KNOCKING DOWN OLD RESIDENCES, AND REBUILDING TO THE NEW STANDARDS TO MAKE ANY IMPACT.
THE FLOODING THAT IS OCCURRING NOW NEEDS SOLUTIONS THAT WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT.
DON'T TELL ME TO BELIEVE THAT A 35% RESTRICTIVE BUILDING STANDARD WILL DO ANYTHING TO CONTROL FLOODING.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ADVOCATING FOR THIS TO CONTROL FLOODING SO MUCH AS TELLING ME I SHOULDN'T BELIEVE MY LYING EYES WATCHING THE WATER ROLL OVER THE CENTER MEDIUM OF THIRD STREET AND JACKS BEACH LIKE IT'S DONE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS PLUS, AND WHERE THERE'S BEEN A 35% LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTION ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS.
CONGRATULATIONS, JACK SPEECH BECAUSE THEY'VE PROVEN THE 35% LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTION DOESN'T CONTROL FLOODING.
REMEMBER THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KERBER.
>> MAYOR, EVERYBODY ELSE DEFERRED TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I DO HAVE TWO SLIPS THOUGH THAT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT THEY WANTED TO GO ON RECORD FILLED OUT SLIPS.
SHE IS IN SUPPORT OF JACK RUSSELL TENNIS COURT PROTOCOL, ACCEPTING LEAGUE PLAY WITH PERMIT AND VICKI LOVE [LAUGHTER] IS IN SUPPORT OF MAINTAINING PERMITS ABOUT THE LEAGUE PLAY.
>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE DIRECTLY TO ITEM 3.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LONG MEETING TONIGHT.
WE NEED AT ANY POINT A BREAK IN THIS MEETING.
>> YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK ONCE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL DO THAT. CITY MANAGER REPORTS,
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
WE'LL GO TO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION.
I'LL ATTEMPT TO BE BRIEF, AND GIVEN THAT I BASICALLY WENT THROUGH THIS CALENDAR LAST TIME, I WOULD SIMPLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FOR SEPTEMBER THROUGH NOVEMBER.
LET'S TRY AGAIN. IN AN ATTEMPT TO BE BRIEF AND THE FACT THAT I BASICALLY WENT OVER THE SAME CALENDAR LAST MEETING, I WILL SIMPLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FOR SEPTEMBER THROUGH NOVEMBER.
>> THAT'S THE MEETING ON SATURDAY COMING OUT.
WE HAVE SOMETHING ON SATURDAY AT THE PARK.
>> NEXT ONE. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE TOWN HALL? YEAH.
>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED?
>> YOU HAVE YOUR CONSENSUS. YOUR NEXT ITEM?
WE PUT THE NEXT ONE TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
>> THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4 REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS,
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLD.>> YES, I'M GOING TO HOLD MYSELF TO THE TWO MINUTE RULE.
[LAUGHTER] IF I GO OVER I COULD GO ON HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY GOOD JOB, CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THEY MAKE POLICY, THEY CARRY POLICY. THEY HOLD ON.
I APPRECIATE WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT TENNIS THAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH A POLICY, AND YOU ARE PUSHING IT THROUGH.
I HAVE AN OPINION ON IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE ENTRUST OUR CITY MANAGER TO CARRY OUT THE PLAN.
ONE THING I'M NOT A FAN OF IS PERSONAL ATTACKS TO OUR STAFF, STEVE, AMANDA.
KEVIN. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS A PLACE IN HERE, AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ATTUNED TO JUMP ON THAT WHEN WE START POINTING OUT OUR CITY WORKERS.
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I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THAT'S CLASSY.I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.
NEXT, I THINK WE COLLECTIVELY MADE AN ERROR LAST TIME THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE ADDRESSES FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE.
NOW, I KNOW I RESEARCHED THIS.
THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOES NOT REQUIRE IT.
THAT'S TRUE. WE HAVE IT ON OUR FORM.
BUT WHAT IT CAN DO IS WHEN SOMEBODY ANNOUNCES THEIR ADDRESS, IF YOU'RE AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT, THAT CARRIES MORE WEIGHT WITH ME THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR WHATEVER REASON.
I'M SPEAKING PERSONALLY FOR ME.
WHEN PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN ARE TELLING ME ATLANTIC BEACH STORIES, I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE.
THE OTHER ONE IS, I WANT TO APPRAISE KEVIN FOR THE RISK MITIGATION AND REDUCED LIABILITY FOR THE CITY THAT I PRESSED LAST YEAR, AND I WAS BORNE OUT BY A LAWSUIT THAT I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THERE.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS, AND AS I SAID, THERE'S LEAGUES HAVE BEEN GOING ON, AND WE TASK OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TO MITIGATE RISK, AND REDUCE LIABILITY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS BEHIND THAT OPERATION.
I THINK MY TWO MINUTES IS UP THERE.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLD. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> OUR CONCERN FOR THE RISING SEA LEVEL AND FLOODING ACROSS THE COMMUNITY IS NOT NEW.
AS RECENTLY AS 2019, BASED ON A STATE GRANT, WE COMPLETED A VULNERABILITY STUDY THAT SURVEYED THE ENTIRE CITY BASED ON SCIENCE TO SEE WHERE OUR MOST VULNERABLE PLACES ARE.
SINCE THAT TIME, OF COURSE, SEA LEVEL HAS CONTINUED TO RISE.
NOW, BASED ON THAT VULNERABILITY STUDY, WE CREATED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT LISTED IN ORDER THE THINGS THAT OUGHT TO BE DONE TO PRESERVE THE MOST VULNERABLE PARTS OF THE CITY, WHICH AT THE TIME, AND STILL IS AQUATIC GARDENS.
NOW, OF COURSE, SINCE THEN, THIS RECENT RAINY TYPHOON SEASON HAS CREATED EVEN MORE PRESSURE ON OUR VERY FLAT GEOGRAPHY.
IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE MILLIONS, PROBABLY BILLIONS THAT IT WOULD COST TO FIX ALL THE FLOODING IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WE HAVE BEEN PICKING AWAY AT LOW HANGING FRUIT, AND WE HAVE BOUGHT A GRANT WRITER, AND THEY REPORTED TO US RECENTLY ABOUT THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS, AND THEY PROMISED TO DO BETTER.
WE ALSO HIRED A LOBBYIST AT THE STATE LEVEL.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE REQUEST A REPORT FROM OUR LOBBYISTS TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR US LATELY AND TO LET THEM KNOW THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE NEED MORE FUNDING TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RING.
>> STORM WATER HAS BEEN ON OUR TABLE OR OUR DIAS FOR THE LAST YEAR, EVEN BEFORE BILL WAS HERE.
THE COMMUNITY OR THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT STARTED THEIR WORKSHOPS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
THEY DID PUBLIC FORUMS. THEY DID COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FORUMS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT NAUSEUM.
GOD OPENED UP THE GATES OR THE CLOUDS, AND HE POURED ON US FOR THREE STRAIGHT WEEKS, AND WE SAW THE FLOODING.
I WENT TO NEIGHBORS HOUSES, CITIZENS' HOUSES, AND I STOOD IN THEIR FLOODING YARDS.
HERE IT IS BEFORE US, THE CODE.
THE CODE CHANGES OR THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING CHANGED.
THAT'S PART OF IT IS THE STORMWATER.
THERE'S OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL, AND THAT'S JUST A SLIVER OF IT.
BUT THE CODE IN THE ORDINANCES IS NOT THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT STORMWATER.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER PROPER BUDGETING FOR PROJECTS AND FOLLOW UP AND MANAGEMENT OF THOSE PROJECTS.
IN 2018, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN DID PROVIDE A TEN YEAR PLAN.
NOW, WE HAVE JUST PULLED IT OFF THE ENHANCEMENT LIST OF THE BUDGET UNANIMOUSLY, AND WE PUT IT ON NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
THAT'S LESS THAN 10 YEARS BECAUSE WELL, I GUESS WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SEE THAT TEN YEAR PLAN THROUGH IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING, AND I WASN'T HERE IN 2018, BUT SOME OF YOU WERE, AND WE HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO WAS IN THE ROOM EARLIER TALKING SHE WAS HERE.
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WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THE COMPONENTS THAT COME IN, IT'S NOT JUST THE FOCUS OF THE CODES AND THE ORDINANCES, IT'S THINKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.IT'S MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SET ASIDE FOR A STORMWATER PROJECT.
OUR COMMISSION ALSO VOTED AND WILL VOTE A SECOND TIME TONIGHT FOR THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE THAT HASN'T BEEN RAISED IN 20 YEARS.
THAT'S ON US FOR TWO YEARS, FOR ME, THAT WAS HERE, AND 20 YEARS PAST, THAT IT HASN'T BEEN RAISED.
THIS COMMISSION AND PAST COMMISSIONS THAT WE SLEPT ON THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS CONSISTENT AND PROPER MAINTENANCE OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. I HEAR LIVE OAK, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
DRAINAGE IS A PROBLEM CITYWIDE.
I JUST WENT TO JASMINE STREET JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
SHE WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS JUST HER.
IT WAS JUST THE PEOPLE WEST OF MAYPORT, WHO NO ONE CARED ABOUT.
I EXPLAINED TO HER, IT WASN'T AT ALL, THAT I HAD SEEN THE FLOODING IN SALVA MARINA AREA.
I'VE SEEN THE FLOODING OFF OF 19TH STREET IN SEMINOLE.
I'VE SEEN THE POOLS OF WATER EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING OLD ATLANTIC BEACH AND WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD.
THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE TO FIX THIS.
PART OF IT DOES START TONIGHT, AND PART OF IT GOES ON TO THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.
ANOTHER PART OF IT IS PERHAPS LOOKING AT A WAY TO CYCLE OUR MAINTENANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DRAINAGES THAT WE HAVE, THE SWALES THAT WE HAVE, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH MILLING AND PAVING, AND WE HAVE THEM ON A ROTATION CYCLE.
WHAT WE DID 20 YEARS AGO MAY NOT WORK TODAY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK 20 YEARS FROM NOW EITHER.
BUT THERE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT TODAY THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE THEY ARE AFFECTING US AND THEY ARE HURTING US AS FAR AS STORMWATER GOES.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, PLEASE READ THE AGENDA, READ THE PAPER THAT IS BEFORE YOU AND THAT THE CITY SENDS OUT.
NOT NECESSARILY EDITORIAL PIECES THAT PEOPLE POST ON BEACHES LEADER.
THOSE ARE OPINION PIECES, BY THE WAY, OR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND LISTENING TO THAT.
DON'T GET YOUR INFORMATION THAT WAY.
THESE ARE THE SAME AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU SINCE JULY AT THE TOWN HALL, SINCE OUR FOLLOW UP TOWN HALL FROM THAT, THEY'VE BEEN THE SAME ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS VETTED AND AT NAUSEUM DISCUSSED.
NO WOOL IS BEING PULLED BEFORE YOUR EYES, AND WE'RE ALL PAYING ATTENTION.
AS I SAID, JUST I TRULY THINK THAT GOD JUST SPOKE TO US THE LAST THREE WEEKS BY OPENING UP THOSE GATES OF THE CLOUDS AND POURING DOWN ON US FOR THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT.
WE CANNOT POSSIBLY IGNORE WHAT WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING FROM OLD ATLANTIC BEACH ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERCOASTAL.
THAT'S PROBABLY WELL OVER TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER WATERS.
>> I WANT TO THANK BILL AND KEVIN FOR WHAT THEY DID AS WELL AS ECHOING BRUCE'S COMMENTS.
I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS OF THE RESERVATION, JACK RUSSELL, AND THEY HANDLED IT VERY WELL, AND THERE'S AN OPTION THAT I THINK HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LIKE.
NUMBER 2, YES, THIS FLOODING HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER.
BUT IN THIS LAST FEW WEEKS, I FEEL LIKE I LIVE IN SEATTLE.
BUT I WANT TO GIVE SCOTT WILLIAMS AND HIS CREW.
LOOK, THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE KNEE-DEEP MUD AND TRYING TO TRY TO REMEDY THIS.
I WANT TO HEAR SCOTT IF HE CAN, BUT I HEARD THE AQUATIC GARDENS WASN'T FLOODING MUCH AT ALL IF AT ALL THIS TIME.
DESPITE ALL THIS RAIN, AQUATIC GARDENS WAS NOT FLOODING.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD? HOPKINS CREEK AND THE DITCH CAVALLA AND ALL THAT.
IT'S NOT SOLVED, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER. THEY'RE RIGHT.
THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES IN HERE THAT ARE FLOODING AND WE HAVE TO TRIAGE.
THE TRIAGE, WHO IS FLOODING THE MOST? I'VE BEEN OUT TO OAK CIRCLE TWICE.
I GOT THE PICTURES, AND I GOT PEOPLE WITH A FOOT OF WATER IN THEIR HOME.
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WHERE'S THE PRIORITY? IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND FORESIGHT INTO FIGURING OUT WHERE IS THE PRIORITY TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY HERE? I THINK THAT SCOTT AND HIS CREW HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.I DON'T WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I'M GOING TO SAVE A LONGER STATEMENT, SORRY FOR ITEM 9B.
BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS, FIRST OF ALL, THE TENNIS.
IT IS VERY CONCERNING WHEN YOU HAVE THE ANGST THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
IN SPEAKING WITH CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH TODAY, IT'S MY HOPES THAT WE'LL HAVE THIS AS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSS IN OUR NEXT TOWN HALL IN OCTOBER.
DO DO YOU REMEMBER THE DATE OF THAT? IT'S IN OCTOBER.
IT'S ONE OF OUR FOUR PERFUNCTORY TOWN HALLS EACH YEAR, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THE TOWN HALL IS OPEN FOR OTHER THINGS TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A TOWN HALL IS.
OCTOBER 19TH. UNLESS SOMEBODY STANDS IN THE WAY OF THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO GET AFTER THE CONVERSATION SO THAT WE DO FORMALIZE A PLAN AND TAKE THE ANGST OUT OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF BOTH SIDES.
I ALSO THANK THE CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS.
I SAID IT AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I'LL STAND BY IT.
THIS IS CITY STAFF TO RUN OUR CITY.
WE DON'T LEGISLATE EVERYTHING THEY DO.
OTHERWISE, WE DON'T NEED THEM.
WE CAN JUST RUN THE CITY AS COMMISSIONERS.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT AND CONTINUE.
I WANT TO JUST VERY QUICKLY MENTION AQUATIC GARDENS, AND ALSO THANKS TO SCOTT WILLIAMS. THIS IS A MINOR THING, AND IT'S A MAJOR THING.
WE DON'T HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT.
WE DRAINED DOWN THE RETENTION POND AT AQUATIC GARDENS.
BEFORE WE STARTED, I GUESS A WEEK AND A HALF AGO ON THE RAIN EVENT.
EITHER MY EYES DECEIVED ME, BUT I THOUGHT IT WORKED VERY WELL.
I WENT DURING HEAVY RAINSTORMS. BECAUSE WE HAD DRAINED DOWN THE POND, THERE WAS PLENTY OF CAPACITY, AND THE STREETS WERE BASICALLY NOT FLOODED.
ON THE PREVIOUS EVENT MONTH OR TWO EARLIER, WE HAD WATERMARKS UP IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE GRASS AT HOLMES, WHERE IT HAD COME WELL OUT OF THE STREET UP TOWARDS THE HOMES.
THINGS LIKE THAT MATTER, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE FROM ME IN A BIT ON MAINTENANCE AND SO ON.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO STEVE, WILLIAMS, AND PUBLIC WORKS.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MATTER, AS WELL AS OUR LONG TERM PLANNING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
WITH THAT, LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER REPORTS? NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 6,
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
WHICH IS CONSENT AGENDA.ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.
THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS? IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM 6A IS DECLARED THIS LIST OF PROPERTY AS SURPLUS SO THAT THE ITEMS MAY BE DISPOSED OF IN THE MOST BENEFICIAL WAY TO THE CITY.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL THIS FROM CONSENT? HEARING NONE. I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, SIGNIFY YOUR VOTE WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-50]
THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-50, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR FLORIDA RECREATION DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FR DAP FUNDING FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 25 FUNDING CYCLE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR COMMISSION.
FLORIDA RECREATION DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
WE REFER TO THAT AS FRDAP JUST SAYING.
THIS IS A GRANT THAT CITY STAFF IS WORKING ON WITH
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LANGSTON ASSOCIATES TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO DONNER PARK, INCLUDING UPGRADES TO THE BASEBALL FIELD AND OUR FLEX FIELD WILL REPLACE SOCCER AND FLAG FOOTBALL.WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE AWARD POTENTIAL IS BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT'S FUNDED, HOW MANY PEOPLE APPLY, AND WHERE WE RANK.
THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING IN OUR MATCH WILL DEPEND ON ACTIONS THAT THE LEGISLATURE TAKES AND HOW WE RANK AGAINST OTHER POTENTIAL COMPETITORS.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THE GRANT.
WE EXPECT THAT IT'LL BE A 50 50 MATCH.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 24-50.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-50.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-46, PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPTION
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-46, Public Hearing on Adoption of Resolution No. 24-46 for the Millage Rate]
OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-46 FOR THE MILITARY.A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, LEVYING THE AD VALOREM TAX MILLAGE RATE FOR MUNICIPAL PURPOSES ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, STATING THE PERCENTAGE BY WHICH THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED EXCEEDS THE ROLLBACK RATE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
>> I BELIEVE, MR. MAYOR, THERE WAS A SCRIPT THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ.
>> THANK YOU. ADOPTION OF A MILLAGE RATE OF 2.8410.
HERE AT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, THE ROLLBACK RATE IS 2.6121.
THE MILLAGE RATE TO BE LEVIED IS 2.8410.
THE MILLAGE RATE TO BE LEVIED IS 8.76% MORE THAN THE ROLLBACK RATE AND IS A PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES FOR SECTION 200.065 SUBTEXT 2C FLORIDA STATUTE.
THE PURPOSE FOR ADOPTING THE MILLAGE RATE OF 2.8410 IS TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICES AT ANTICIPATED AND PROPOSED COST AND TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADOPT A MILLAGE RATE FOR OPERATING PURPOSES OF 2.8410.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-46.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND DISCUSSION. YES.
>> WE DO NEED PUBLIC HEARING, MAYOR.
>> I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT NOW OR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS?
>> I HAVE ONE CARD AND IT'S FOR BRINKLEY HARALD.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. IS THIS WORKING? YES. OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO GET UP HERE AND SPEAK ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE.
LAST YEAR WAS A SEMINAL POINT IN TIME, THE FIRST TIME EVER THAT I CAN RESEARCH, CERTAINLY IN THE LAST 22-PLUS YEARS THAT THE CITY EVER IMPLEMENTED A ROLLBACK RATE.
ROLLBACK RATE IS NOT A TAX CUT, BUT IT ALSO IS NOT A TAX INCREASE.
NOW, USING THE SAME MILLAGE RATE AS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED FOR ALL THE LAST 20, 30, 40 YEARS, IS EVERY TIME THEY BUILD A BUDGET, THEY USE THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S MILLAGE RATE, WHICH ENDS UP BEING, ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER TAX INCREASE.
THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE, 2.8410 IS, IN FACT, A TAX INCREASE.
IT'S A TAX INCREASE OF ONLY $644,000.
WHAT'S THAT? ABOUT 1% OF THE BUDGET, MAYBE ONE AND A QUARTER PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.
NOW, AT WITH A $60 MILLION BUDGET, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE WERE $2 PLUS MILLION MORE REVENUE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR BUILT INTO THE BUDGET.
ALSO, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WERE PAID OFF IN THE CURRENT BUDGET CYCLE THAT ARE NOT CARRYING FORWARD TO THE $60 MILLION BUDGET, THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR DORA DRIVE, THE 700, AND SOME CHANGE FOR THE NEW MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.
THE 750,000 ISH FOR THE LIFEGUARD STATION,
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WHICH IS ALTHOUGH THAT MONEY WAS FUNDED FROM COJ, IT WAS STILL IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.ALL THOSE SPENDING THINGS ARE NOW BEING SPENT RIGHT NOW IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, AND FREEING UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR WORTH OF MONEY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
PLEASE GREATLY CONSIDER THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH WILL KEEP THE TAXATION OF PROPERTY OWNERS LEVEL WITH WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE, MAYOR.
>> I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND GO BACK TO THE MOTION IN THE SECOND AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM 9A.
[9.A. Public Hearings and Final Reading on adoption of a Tentative Millage Rate and Ordinance No. 20-24-175 establishing the Operating Budget for fiscal year 2024/2025.]
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FINAL READING ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 24-175, ESTABLISHING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-'25.A ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE FINAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025.
WELL, WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
DONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS?
>> I DO. IT'S BRINKLEY HARALD.
>> HELLO AGAIN. PARTICULARLY ON THE BUDGET.
THE CURRENT BUDGET DOESN'T HAVE ANY WASTEFUL SPENDING IN IT THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND.
THE PREVIOUS BUDGET THAT SOME OF YOU ALL VOTED ON OR A COUPLE OF ALL INHERITED, Y'ALL REMOVED WASTEFUL SPENDING FROM THAT ONE AND MOSTLY MOVED IT INTO STREET MILLING AND PAVING.
NOT THIS CYCLE, BUT THE PREVIOUS CYCLE. THAT'S ALL A GOOD THING.
NOW, SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, EITHER IN THE BUDGET OR ON SOME OF THESE OTHER SPENDING THINGS THAT KEEP GOING BACK TO THE CPI, NOT THE CIP.
WHEN YOU FOCUS ON THE CPI, ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THE CPI, I BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO CLARIFY WHICH OF THE THREE CPIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PREDOMINANTLY, THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY FOCUSES ON IS THE CPIW BECAUSE EVERYBODY PULLING SOCIAL SECURITY.
THAT'S WHAT THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE IS GOING TO BE BASED ON CPIW.
EVERYBODY PULLING A MILITARY RETIREMENT.
YOUR ANNUAL COLA IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE CPIW.
THOSE GETTING OTHER FUNDING FROM SOCIAL SECURITY OR FROM THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION, CPIW.
BUT EVEN THEN, IT'S BASED UPON THE THIRD-ORDER CPI, COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
NOW, THE THIRD QUARTER DOESN'T CLOSE OUT UNTIL THE LAST DAY IN SEPTEMBER, AND IT'S ANNOUNCED BY THE ABOUT 10TH OF OCTOBER.
BUT ALL THE PROGNOSTICATORS ALREADY KNOW THAT THE CPI IS GOING TO BE 2.6%.
THE ONLY BUDGETARY THING THAT IS EXTREME, I THINK IS THAT NOTWITHSTANDING ALL THE OTHER CPI THINGS, SALARIES ARE BEING INCREASED 5%, BUT THE CPI IS ONLY GOING TO BE 2.6%.
WE'RE PAYING TWICE THE COLA TO OUR EMPLOYEES RATHER THAN UTILIZING THE SAME CPI THAT OUR INCREASES ARE GETTING.
>> THANK YOU. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
>> THEN AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE'LL MOVE TO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ON THE BUDGET, AS MR. BRINKLEY POINTED OUT, WE DID CLOSE ON DORA, SO THAT $1.1 MILLION.
DO YOU EVER TAKE OF RPR FUNDS IS WE NEED TO TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET.
I HAD ASKED LAST TIME THAT WE DO AN AMENDMENT.
I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK THIS TIME.
THE $60 MILLION THAT YOU SEE IN THERE IS THE $60 MILLION OF THIS ORDINANCE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADVERTISED.
THE NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO GO TO IS $58,680,384, WHICH WOULD REFLECT THE REDUCTION OF DORA FROM THE $60,168,132.
NO, THAT'S CLEAR AS DAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE TO THE AMOUNT OF 50.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-46, AND UPON SECOND READING, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-24-175 AMENDED TO REFLECT A BUDGET OF $58,000,680,384.SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION.
I HAVE ONE THING. I THINK IN THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS IS THE MOST THOROUGH BUDGET THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AS FAR AS MEETINGS, ANALYSIS. EVERYBODY'S GOT AGENDAS.
THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT WE PUT ON, I THINK, WERE THOUGHTFUL AND THEY HAVE DIRECT IMPACT.
I SAW 22 OTHER PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE LIST, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF OUR BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO THANK BILL FOR PUTTING ON ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND ANALYSIS. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. OTHERS. GOOD. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. MOVING TO SOMETHING EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING FOR.
[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 55-24-39, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
ITEM 9B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 55-24-39.PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA. THIS ISN'T LEGAL.
INCREASING MONTHLY SANITATION RATES BY 3.7% AND ANNUALLY THEREAFTER BY THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, CPI, COLLECTION ADJUSTMENT BY AMENDING CHAPTER 16, SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING, ARTICLE 1, SOLID WASTE DEFINITIONS AND PROCEDURES, SECTION 16-10 FEES FOR COLLECTION, PROVIDING FOR INTENT, PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF THE NEW RATES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MYERS. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE ARE CONTRACT WITH OUR GARBAGE HAULER.
THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO INCREASE THE RATES BY THE CPIU, WHICH IS WHAT FIS 3.7 REPRESENTS.
OUR DESIRE IS TO SHARE THAT COST UNFORTUNATELY WITH OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE RECEIVING THE SERVICE, AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFLECT THE INCREASE AS WE GO FORWARD IN TIME.
WITH THAT, MR. MYERS, I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 55-24-39.
SORRY, I LEFT OUT AN AMENDMENT.
WE LEFT OUT THE COMMERCIAL HAULER PART.
DURING THE FIRST READING, THE ORDINANCE AMOUNT WAS $21.08.
AS IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT WAS INCORRECT.
IT SHOULD BE $23.19, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN THE 3.7 INCREASE BEING $24.04 FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
WOULD THAT AMENDMENT RAISING THE COMMERCIAL 24.04, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING. DONNA.
>> HELLO, AGAIN. LAST YEAR, AND SOME OF YOU-ALL MAY REMEMBER, SOME OTHER RESIDENTS REMEMBER, THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON WITH THE GFL CONTRACT.
IT WAS ALL SCREWED UP. EVERYBODY WAS LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS.
NOBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GFL CONTRACT.
YES, THERE IS AN ANNUAL ESCALATION CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT WHERE THEY HAVE TO SPECIFY IN MAY FOR ONLY THE COLLECTION PORTION, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY CHARGE US TO INCREASE FOR THE CPI AS OF MAY, NOT THE CPI AS OF SEPTEMBER THAT I WAS JUST SPEAKING OF.
ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, MR. KILLINGSWORTH SAID THAT, "WELL, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THE 3.7 ACROSS THE BOARD TO THE TOTAL THING, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INCREASE IT LAST YEAR." THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I'VE GOT MY LAST YEAR'S BILLS RIGHT HERE.
WE DID, IN FACT, IN AUGUST, INCREASE THE GARBAGE COLLECTION FEE TO EVERY RESIDENT BY THE APPROPRIATE CPI ADJUSTMENT AS CONTAINED IN THE GFL CONTRACT.
THE 3.7% THAT'S IN THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD NOT BE FOR THE TOTAL CHARGE THAT GFL IS CHARGING US, WHICH YOU ARE ADDING MORE ON AND THEN PASSING ON TO THE CONSUMER.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING UP, GARBAGE FEES ARE GOING UP.
I CAN UNDERSTAND ADDRESSING IT PROPERLY TO THE COLLECTION PORTION OF THE GFL CONTRACT.
BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT LACKING IN TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE I CANNOT TELL YOU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE INFORMATION.
WHAT IS THE NEW RATE PER RESIDENCE THAT GFL IS CHARGING US? I KNOW IT'S LESS THAN THE CURRENT 21-02, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S LESS THAN THE PROPOSED $23 AND SOMETHING.
BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS BETWEEN THE TOTAL AMOUNT THEY CHARGE AND THE COLLECTION PORTION,
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AND IT'S ONLY THE COLLECTION PORTION THAT THE INCREASE AFFECTS.>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HARRELL.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 55-24-39.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SECOND COMING FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.
NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I'LL JUST ASK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PASS AND THEN REGRET HAVING ASKED OR NOT ASKED.
WE'RE APPLYING THE INFLATION INDEX TO THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.
DID WE IN FACT HAVE AN INCREASE THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND IF WE NEED TO?
>> FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE COUNCIL HAD ADOPTED ONE, BUT STAFF NEVER IMPLEMENTED. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 80-24-89,
[9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 80-24-89, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, INCREASING THE MONTHLY STORMWATER UTILITY B BY AMENDING CHAPTER 22 UTILITIES, ARTICLE 4, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, DIVISION TWO RATES AND CHARGES, SECTION 22-335 FEES, PROVIDING FOR INTENT, PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION OF A NEW RATE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU, MR. MYERS. COMMISSION. THIS IS A REQUEST TO INCREASE OUR STORMWATER FEES FROM $8.39 PER MONTH TO $10.81.
THAT IS THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX APPLIED EVER SINCE 2012, WHICH WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WE'VE UPDATED THIS.
WE DO HAVE A RATE STUDY THAT IS FUNDED FOR THE STORMWATER RE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THIS WOULD CATCH UP JUST FOR THE PRICE INCREASES DUE TO INFLATION SINCE 2012.
WITH THAT, MR. MYERS, I WOULD RECOMMEND ACCRUAL OF ORDINANCE 80-24-89.
>> SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LADYJA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS?
>> MR. HARRELL I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXCLUDE YOU FROM THE NEXT MEETING.
>> BEFORE MY TIME BEGINS, IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION, I'LL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE NEXT SIX WEEKS.
I'LL ENJOY IT MORE THAN YOU WOULD.
>> WE NEED TO CALL IMMIGRATION.
>> THERE WE GO. STORMWATER BRIGHT BEHIND THE SANITATION GARBAGE FEE OR TAX, RIGHT BEHIND THE INCREASE IN THE MILLAGE RATE INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES.
THERE'S A PATTERN GOING ON HERE, AND IT AFFECTS SOME PEOPLE A LOT WORSE THAN WHAT IT AFFECTS ME.
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A STORMWATER FEE OR A GARBAGE FEE OR A TAX OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
ON STORMWATER, THE ONLY EXPRESSION THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH HAS PUT FORTH OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS ABOUT WHY WE'RE INCREASING THE STORMWATER FEE IS, "BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T INCREASED IT SINCE 2012." THERE'S NO METRIC INVOLVED IN WHY WE'RE INCREASING.
TO THROW SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSES THAT COME OUT OF BOTH THE SANITATION, ENTERPRISE FUND, AND THE STORMWATER ENTERPRISE FUND TO FUND OTHER THINGS IN CITY HALL HEADQUARTERS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SANITATION OR STORMWATER.
THERE'S SALARIES FOR THE CITY MANAGER, HR, IT, FINANCE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOSING MONEY ON OR THAT'S WHY THE RESERVES FOR BOTH STORMWATER ENTERPRISE FUND AND THE SANITATION ENTERPRISE FUND ARE AT ZERO.
CONVERSE TO THAT IS THE WATER ENTERPRISE FUND AND THE SEWER ENTERPRISE FUND WITH 9 AND 11 MILLION DOLLAR IN RESERVES.
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BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE SUPPORTING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FINANCE MOSTLY DOES IS THE BILLS THAT CHANGE ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY BASIS.WHEREAS, THESE TWO FEES, BOTH STORMWATER AND SANITATION, THAT'S A FLAT FEE EVERY MONTH.
THERE'S ALMOST NO WORK INVOLVED BY ANYBODY IN THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, ALL THOSE SALARY FEES ARE COMING OUT OF THOSE TWO FUNDS.
THERE'S NO METRIC TO SUPPORT INCREASING THE STORMWATER FUND BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO PAY OTHER THINGS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HARRELL. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
>> WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> WE WILL APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 88-24-89.
>> THANK YOU, BILL, FOR EXPLAINING THIS TO ME.
NOT ONLY HAS IT BEEN SINCE 2012, BUT ALSO SOME OF THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS EXACTLY IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, CORRECT? WE'VE BEEN DOING MAINTENANCE AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN INVESTING THROUGH THAT FUND, CORRECT?
>> SO THE CHALLENGE WITH THE STORMWATER FUND IS WE'VE BEEN USING ONE-TIME DOLLARS TO FUND IT.
EVEN THE OPERATING COSTS, WE WERE USING ONE-TIME DOLLARS TO FUND THE OPERATING COSTS.
I'VE STOPPED THAT PRACTICE AND WHAT IT HAS MEANT IS WE BASICALLY HAVE HAD TO TRANSFER, I THINK IT'S $576,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE STORMWATER FUND, JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR NEXT YEAR.
SOME SALARIES ARE TAKEN OUT OF THAT, BUT THAT IS APPROPRIATE AND CORRECT.
WE TAKE THAT OUT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTERPRISE FUNDS BECAUSE THE SALARIES THAT ARE UTILIZED TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM ARE RIGHTLY CHARGED TO THAT PROGRAM.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT GOING FORWARD AS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERCHARGING THE FUND, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT STAFF IS DOING IS APPROPRIATE AND ACCURATE. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL KIND OF ECHO THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND I HAD A CONVERSATION SOMETIME BACK ON THIS, AND HE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, NOT ME, TO HIM THAT WE HAD TOO MUCH IN SALARIES FROM SUPPORTING DEPARTMENTS IN THAT FUND.
WHETHER THAT WAS ENOUGH IS LEFT TO BE SEEN.
WE WILL REVISIT THIS CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE AS WELL, BUT I THANK YOU FOR BEING UPFRONT ON THAT AND ACTUALLY IDENTIFYING THAT AS BEING AN OVERCHARGE TO THAT PARTICULAR FUND.
IF I MAY, MYERS, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS.
ONE OF THE PIECES THAT I WAS TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU DURING OPENING REMARKS.
BUT WHEN WE RAISE THIS, IS IT 28% INCREASE?, I THINK? THEN FROM THEN ON THE CPI, AND IT'S GOING TO WRITE THE OPERATION COSTS WRONGS.
BUT WILL IT PROVIDE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT NEED TO GO TOWARDS THE STORMWATER PROJECTS? I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
>> WE ALSO HAVE GRANTS THAT WE GET MOST OF OUR MONEY FROM TO FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, LIKE THE ONES THAT WERE LISTED IN THE 2018, LAST STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT DID NOT GET COMPLETED.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE PIECES.
>> NO. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 80-24-89.
>> THAT'S A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GET TO 9D.
[9.D. ORDINANCE NO. 90-24-253, Public Hearing and Introduction]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-253, PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, ADOPTING A FULLY REVISED CHAPTER 24, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES AND AS SET FORTH WITHIN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A, WHICH GENERALLY AND SPECIFICALLY REGULATE THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF LAND AND WATERS WITHIN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.REPEALING THE ENTIRETY OF THE CURRENT CHAPTER 24, ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-19-240 AS AMENDED TO DATE.
SAID NEWLY ADOPTED CHAPTER 24, CONTAINING SIX ARTICLES, ARTICLE ONE, IN GENERAL, PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION AND AUTHORITY, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR JURISDICTION, PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENTS, PROVIDING FOR LEGAL STATUS,
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AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.ARTICLE 2, LANGUAGE AND DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF LANGUAGE, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR ACRONYMS. ARTICLE 3, ZONING REGULATIONS PROVIDING FOR ARTICLE 4, SUBDIVISION AND SITE IMPROVEMENT REGULATIONS.
ARTICLE 5, ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCE REGULATIONS, AND ARTICLE 6, CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT, FOR CODIFICATION, FOR APPLICABILITY, FOR CONFLICT, FOR SEVERABILITY, AND FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH
>> THANK YOU, MR. MYERS. I WILL ASK OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING TO COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
>> HI. GOOD EVENING, AMANDA AKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.
YOU GUYS, THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME.
WE'VE HAD THIS CHAPTER OPEN FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS, TOWN HALL MEETINGS, AND SOLICITED PUBLIC INPUT, VARIOUS DIFFERENT METHODS.
I'M GOING TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
EVERYTHING IS IN A LINK IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, AND IT'S ALSO BEEN POSTED ON OUR PROJECT PAGE.
YOU CAN FIND THIS PRETTY MUCH UP TO DATE THERE.
IN CHAPTER 24, IT'S BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
THE FIRST SECTION IS THE DEFINITION SECTION.
WE ADDED DEFINITIONS AND WE CLARIFIED DEFINITIONS IN CHAPTER 24.
WE DID REMOVE THE NOTICE REQUIREMENT.
THIS IS THE ONLY CODE THAT I KNOW OF IN FLORIDA THAT REQUIRED MAILING TO EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER IF WE WERE CHANGING A PORTION OF THE CODE THAT AFFECTED EVERYBODY.
THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING SO MANY CHANGES BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
>> WE DO WANT TO MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY.
WE WILL, OF COURSE, USE ALL OUR CHANNELS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC NOTICE FOR ANY CHANGES COMING FORWARD FOR CHAPTER 24.
ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT IS WE ADDED A REQUIRED RECOMMENDATION BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR WAIVERS.
RIGHT NOW, WAIVERS GO STRAIGHT TO COMMISSION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, SO THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THEM.
THEY WILL BE A RECOMMENDING BODY AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL COME FORWARD TO COMMISSION.
WE'RE PROPOSING THE REMOVAL OF MINIMUM LIVING AREA REQUIREMENTS.
THIS ALLOWS FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY AND AFFORDABILITY, AND POTENTIALLY SOME GREEN BUILDING PRACTICES.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOR TOWN HOMES AND CHANGES TO STORMWATER, AND I'M GOING TO PUT A PEN IN THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK TO STORMWATER IN A FEW MINUTES.
CHANGES TO SIDE YARD SETBACKS FOR DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DID SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VARIANCES FOR THE SHARED SIDE YARD FOR TOWN HOMES.
WE'RE PROPOSING A ZERO FOOT SETBACK ONLY IN THE REAR YARD.
CHANGES TO THE MINIMUM LOT AREA TO BE CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT'S ONLY IN OUR RG AND RGM DISTRICTS.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE LOT COVERAGE GRANDFATHERING CLAUSE, CHANGES TO THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE CLOSER TO THE STREET.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DESIGN STANDARDS THERE PRIMARILY FOR PROPERTIES THAT JUST FRONT ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND MAYPORT ROAD.
THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE MEANT TO AS PART OF THE CONTINUING PROCESS OF UPGRADING MAYPORT ROAD AND THE MAYPORT VISION TO GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN LAYOUT AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME DESIGN CRITERIA FOR DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CODE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, ADEQUATE STACKING, AND THEY'RE IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
WE WANT TO ADD SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, SIDEWALKS, AND OUR COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, NO METAL BUILDINGS.
BUT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DID RECOGNIZE THAT SOME ASPECTS OF METAL, SOME ACCIDENTS, SO UP TO 25% FOR METAL BUILDINGS.
LOOK AT FACADE TREATMENTS, AGAIN, REGARDING THE SIZE OF THEM AND FORCING SOME ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF BASICALLY, PROHIBITING LONG LINEAR WALLS, REQUIRING THE FRONT DOOR TO BE FULLY RECOGNIZED, REQUIRING NO BLANK WALLS WITH SOME WINDOWS.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DESIGN CHANGES.
WE ARE ALSO LIMITING THE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL ACCESS POINTS.
A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THERE IS ATLANTIC AND SEMINOLE.
YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS LOCATED.
WE WANT TO TIGHTEN UP THAT FOR SOME PEDESTRIAN REQUIREMENTS.
NOW, GOING BACK TO STORMWATER.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE CHANGES WITH A COUPLE OF CAVEATS.
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THOSE ARE THE STORMWATER REGULATIONS AND THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN CORRIDOR STANDARDS.THEY FELT THAT THEY SHOULD NOT EXTEND INTO ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS JUST AS THEY ARE REGULATED.
STAFF, IN CHAPTER 24, WE'VE TALKED A LOT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT STORMWATER.
STAFF HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, AND WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE PASSED IT IN THE BUDGET TONIGHT, SO WE WILL BE GETTING THAT RFP ON THE STREET.
WE'D LIKE FOR NO CHANGES TO BE MADE TO THE STORMWATER UNTIL THAT'S UPDATED.
HOWEVER, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.
WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET TONIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED BUT HAS NOT MADE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS OR REACHED CONSENSUS ON.
THAT IS A COUPLE OF THINGS AND IT'S FOUND AND WE'RE CHANGING SECTION NUMBERS, BUT IN OLD SECTION NUMBER 24-68.
IT IS THE TRIGGER REQUIREMENTS.
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, WE REQUIRE ONSITE STORMWATER FOR ANYTHING THAT ADDS MORE THAN 250 SQUARE FEET.
THAT TRIGGER REQUIREMENT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES IS GONE BACK TO 2019, WHICH WAS THE 400 SQUARE FEET.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED DEFINITIONS IN THE DEFINITION SECTION FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF AND PERMEABLE FAVORS.
THOSE DEFINITIONS ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS OR NOT A RECOMMENDATION, BUT INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BASE MATERIAL IS PERMEABLE.
AS I MENTIONED, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DID HAVE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STORMWATER.
THOSE WERE A LINK IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, BUT BRIEFLY, I'LL TOUCH ON THOSE.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD REMOVED THE TRIGGER ALTOGETHER REGARDING MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A TRIGGER.
IF YOU HAD MORE THAN 50% VALUE OF MARKET IMPROVEMENTS, YOU HAVE TO DO ON SITE STORMWATER.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDING REMOVAL OF THAT.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDING REMOVAL OF THE TRIGGER FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE ALTOGETHER, SO THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THEN THEY ARE RECOMMENDING REMOVAL OF THE REQUIREMENT OR THE GRANDFATHERING CLAUSE.
THEY'RE ALSO AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE CODE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AND PERMEABLE PERVIOUS PAVERS.
THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT POOLS BE CONSIDERED 50%.
CURRENTLY, IN CHAPTER 24, AS YOU SEE IT NOW, POOLS WOULD BE CONSIDERED 75% PERMEABLE.
>> CAN YOU CLARIFY, DID THEY ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEY RECOMMENDED POOLS BE 50% OR DID THEY DEFER ON THAT ITEM?
>> THEIR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS 50%.
OUR LAST MEETING THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON IT.
ULTIMATELY, THEY ENDED UP WITH A MOTION TO GO BACK TO RECOMMEND 50% PERMEABLE.
>> OKAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I RECALL, BUT I'LL FULL OF THAT FOR HIM.
>> I WANT TO GO TO THE COMMUNICATION, THE MAILERS.
ARE WE DISCUSSING NOW OR ARE WE DOING PUBLIC?
>> NO. WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN AMANDA STANDBY. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND HARD WORK ON THIS MIC.
USUALLY, I DON'T HAVE TO BE TOLD TO TALK IN THE MIC WITH HOW TALL I AM.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE STORMWATER TRIGGERS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS WORKED REALLY HARD AND SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME AT THE MEETINGS AS WELL AS THIS BEING ON YOUR AGENDAS AND HAVING REVIEWED A LOT OF THE THINGS.
LET ME ADD, AS WELL, I MEANT TO SAY THIS IN THE BEGINNING, I AM A MEMBER OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE OF THE CITY, BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT AS A CITIZEN AND SPEAKING OUT FROM SEVENTH STREET.
I'M HERE ALSO WITH A LITTLE ANECDOTAL STORY BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT A LOT OF THE DECISIONS BEING MADE ARE MADE ON SOME ANECDOTAL THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING AROUND THE CITY AND TAKING PHOTOS OF AND WHATNOT.
I HAVE A VERY LARGE DRIVEWAY, A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY, I HAVE A POOL.
I HAVE PERMEABLE PAVERS ON OVER TWO THIRDS, ALMOST 85% THAT PREVIOUS OWNERS INSTALLED, SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF MONEY.
THEY DID IT RIGHT, THEY INSTALLED THE RIGHT BED.
IT JUST SUNSETED THEIR 10 YEARS OF WHEN IT WAS INSTALLED.
THIS IS THE PAPER THAT I HAVE.
THEY'RE CONSIDERED PERMEABLE, LIKE I MENTIONED.
ONE OF THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED IS TO TAKE THE MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTION ON PERMEABILITY AND GIVE FULL CREDIT FOR THAT.
AS IT STANDS NOW, I'M GIVEN 50% CREDIT FOR THESE PAVERS.
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I DON'T WANT THE 50% CREDIT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.DURING THIS LAST STORM, I HAD A FIVE INCH WATER MARK.
I HAD OVER 40 GALLONS OF WATER INTRUDE MY GARAGE AND I HAD TO BUY A PUMP TO GET THE WATER OFF OF MY OWN DRIVEWAY.
IT STOOD THERE ON THESE PERMEABLE PAVERS FOR THREE DAYS, 100% NOT DRAINING, AND I DO NOT HAVE SEALED PAVERS EITHER.
I'D JUST LIKE TO PROPOSE OR TO SUGGEST THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT EVEN IF PAVERS ARE INSTALLED CORRECTLY, AFTER A GOOD BIT OF TIME, THEY CAN BECOME IMPERMEABLE. THANK YOU.
FIVE YEARS AGO, THE COMMISSION THEN VOTED AGAINST ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
CITIZENS ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD SELECTED BY YOU ALL THROUGH A PROCESS, AND THEY SPENT LOTS OF TIME ON IT, AND THE COMMISSION THEN VOTED AGAINST IT.
NOW, THE CURRENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD VOTED TO REMOVE THE TWO TRIGGERS, THE GRANDFATHERING IN EXCEPTION, AND THEY UNLESS SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED LAST WEEK THAT I MISSED, THEY DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE POOL THING.
I AM A STRONG ADVOCATE TO REMOVE BOTH TRIGGERS.
WHEN I AM AT 40%, AND I WANT TO INCREASE MY PATIO, BUT MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR 45%, BUT NOW I CAN'T GO TO 45% WITHOUT IMPLEMENTING ONSITE RETENTION.
THAT'S RIDICULOUS. AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS AT OR UNDER THE 45%, OUGHT TO BE OKAY.
WE'RE NOT TURNING ATLANTIC BEACH INTO A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET UP AND TALK ABOUT, I HAVE MINE, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOURS.
FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GO TO 45%, I NOW HAVE TO DO REMEDIATION BY PUTTING IN A SWALE OR RETENTION OR WHATNOT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
THAT SECOND TRIGGER NEEDS TO BE PULLED OUT OF WHATEVER YOU VOTE ON ON 24-89.
THE SWIMMING POOL SEVEN INCHES.
THAT'S A NUMBER PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR.
POOLS ARE DESIGNED WITH 4-5 INCHES OF FREEBOARD.
IF YOU IMPLEMENT THE 7 INCHES OF FREEBOARD, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE WITH AN EXISTING POOL IN ATLANTIC BEACH, MAYBE WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS, NON COMPLIANT AT THAT POINT.
ARE YOU GOING TO REASSESS THEM WITH THEIR NUMBERS? THE THIRD THING IS THERE'S A CHART 24-104 THAT TALKS ABOUT RS2, AND IT SPECIFIES 75 BY 100 FOOT LOTS.
MOST OF THE LOTS IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH ARE 50 BY 100, NOT 75 BY 100.
THE CHART NEEDS TO FIT 50. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> HELLO. I'M RICHARD ARTHUR. I SERVE AT MARINE DRIVE.
I AM ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AWARD, BUT I'M HERE JUST TO SPEAK ON THE STORMWATER SPECIFICALLY, CHAPTER 24.
PART OF THE KNOWLEDGE JOURNEY, I WOULD SAY, AND GOING THROUGH THAT CHAPTER IS LOOKING TRYING TO FIND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, COMING MUNI CODE THAT HAVE SIMILAR ORDINANCES.
I CHALLENGE THE CITY TO FIND ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS ONSITE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SINGLE PROPERTIES.
I'VE ASKED THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, EVEN ASKED THE ENGINEERS WHO DID THE INITIAL STUDY.
IT'S A NOVEL USE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SINGLE PROPERTIES, NOT A PUD, NOT COMMERCIAL.
WE JUST WANT IT TO MAKE SENSE.
THE STUDY SAYS FROM THE CITY THAT THEY RELY ON SAYS IT'LL COST THE HOMEOWNER AN AVERAGE OF $200 TO DO THIS.
THE 200 SQUARE FEET, 250 SQUARE FEET, THE 400 SQUARE FEET, IT'S ARBITRARY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT DOESN'T TAKE IN CONSIDERATION YOUR CURRENT LOT SIZE.
IF YOU'RE A 20% LOT COVERAGE OR A 40% LOT COVERAGE, NOT EVERY HOME IN ATLANTIC BEACH IS BUILT OUT TO 45%, SOME MAJORITY OF OLD FIT 1950 STYLE HOME.
AND SO IT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, SHOULD IT BE 500 SQUARE FEET? SHOULD IT BE 100 SQUARE FEET IN THE TRIGGER? WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR STORMWATER, SHOULDN'T THE CITY HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT THE CITY RELIES ON? SHOULD THAT START, I HEARD THAT 35% WAS THE ORIGINAL STORMWATER.
IT WAS THE CITY DESIGNED TO ORIGINALLY A 35% LOCK COVERAGE, ENGINEERED, STORMWATER AND SUCH, AND SHOULD IT START BASED ON A PERCENTAGE, SHOULD IT BE START AT 20% LOCK COVERAGE,
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A 25% LOCK COVERAGE? DOESN'T THAT MAKE MORE SENSE THAN AN ARBITRARY 200 SQUARE FEET OR 400 SQUARE FEET? THE LAST POINT WAS THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR STANDARDS.WE DID WANT TO SEE THAT STAY DESIGNATED TO JUST THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, NOT THE ENTIRE CITY. THANK YOU.
I'M LISA HAROLD, 659 SHERRY DRIVE, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL WAIT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES REGARDING STORMWATER TO CHAPTER 24 UNTIL YOU GET THE DATA BACK FROM THAT MASTER PLAN, THE UPDATE.
YOU'VE HEARD THIS COMMISSION CHAMBERS WAS FULL OF INCIDENTS OF FLOODING, AND IT'S EVERY CORNER OF OUR CITY.
I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU MAKE POOLS 75% OR 100%, WHAT YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY DOING IS TAKING AWAY MORE GREEN SPACE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PERCULATION, OR I DON'T KNOW.
ALL I KNOW IS I WANT MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS TO HAVE GRASS AND TREES AND THE GREENERY.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH WHAT MAKES ATLANTIC BEACH SO GREAT AND WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE HERE.
LISTEN TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND LISTEN TO YOUR CONSCIENCE AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND JUST HOLD OFF ON THESE CHANGES. THANK YOU.
>> HEY, EVERYBODY. TODD MINER, I'M ON 363 NINTH STREET.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANTED TO BRING TO COMMISSION.
SO I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THEM BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING I JUST WANTED TO SAY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT AMANDA DOES, AND EVERYONE DOES ON THESE CHANGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS, SO JUST THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
FROM THE ESC, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE COMMISSION OR THE CBD TAKE PRUDENT ACTION TO WAIT FOR THE FORTHCOMING OVERALL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN OR ESTABLISH SOME REQUIREMENT THAT REOPENS THE RELEVANT CHAPTER 24 ORDINANCES THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S JUST ONE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
ONE, THE REAL WORLD FINDINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AESTASIA HOUSTON'S HOUSES HOW PAVERS ACTUALLY OPERATE ARE CONTRARY TO HOW THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE BEING MADE.
THE CHANGES WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR CITY STAFF TO ENFORCE OVER TIME SINCE PAVER CEILING IS UNDETECTABLE, AND POOLS ONLY HAVE LIKE A FOUR TO SIX INCH EXTRA CAPACITY, VERY CHALLENGING TO ENFORCE THOSE IDEAS.
THE CHANGES COULD EXACERBATE OR EVEN CAUSE FUTURE COMMUNITY LEVEL FLOODING, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE LARGE PUBLIC INVESTMENTS TO CORRECT ADDITIONAL TAX BURDENS.
ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS PAVER INSTALLATION.
THE SC RECOMMENDS THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM TREE TRUNKS TO PROTECT TREES AND TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE PERMEATING PROCESS.
CURRENTLY, PROPERLY INSTALLED PAVERS NEED TO BE INSTALLED AT THE DEPTH OF ABOUT 18-24 INCHES.
THAT RISKS CUTTING INTO ROOTS WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED CLOSE TO TREE TRUNKS.
THIS CAN SERIOUSLY WEAKEN AND DAMAGE TREES, KILL THEM.
THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCES HERE.
ALSO, THE LAST POINT THEN I'LL GET OUT OF YOUR HAIR.
REGARDING ARTIFICIAL TURF, WE RECOMMEND FOR THE HEALTH COMMUNITY ARTIFICIAL TURF NOT BE PERMITTED IN ATLANTIC BEACH IN ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ABANDON ITS USE.
THERE'S A BODY OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT THE HEALTH EFFECT TO OUR COMMUNITIES, THE CARCINOGENS, CONTAMINATION OF WATER AND OTHER THINGS ARE DAMAGING.
ARTIFICIAL TURF PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT.
>> HI. I'M AILEEN BILBIN, AND I LIVE ON 520 EAST COAST.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I CAN SEE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WORKING PERFECTLY BECAUSE IT EXISTS IN MY LOT.
AND THROUGH ALL THIS RAIN, WE HAVE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO WATER, AND IT HAS ALL GONE INTO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY.
PERMEABLE PAVERS SHOULD ABSOLUTELY RECEIVE THE CREDIT.
THE CURRENT CODE GIVES NO CREDIT FOR PERMEABLE PAVERS AT ALL.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE? EVEN IN ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT RECOMMENDS 50% CREDIT.
PROPERLY INSTALLED PAVERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERFORM AT A HIGH LEVEL OF EFFECTIVENESS, BUT 50% TAKES INTO ACCOUNT FOR POORLY MAINTAINED PAVERS.
PAVERS MUST BE REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED OR PENALTIES SHOULD OCCUR.
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A SIMPLE REMEDY.POOLS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CAPTURE STORM WATER DURING SEVERE STORM EVENTS.
MOST POOLS HAVE 68 INCHES OF FREEBOARD AND CAN COLLECT RAINFALL AND RELEASE AFTER A STORM.
WE SHOULD EMBRACE POOLS AND VALUE THE POOL WATER AREA AT 75% CREDIT.
EXAMPLE, 12 BY 24 POOL HAVING SIX INCHES OF FREEBOARD CAN HOLD 5,900 GALLONS OF WATER PER EVENT.
I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONERS FOR THE WORK ON THE BALANCE AND FAIRNESS OF THESE CODES.
FINALLY, CITIZENS WHO FOLLOW AND COMPLY WITH OUR BUILDING CODES SHOULD NOT BE VILIFIED.
WE ALL WANT THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS NOT OWNED BY ONE EXTREME GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL ANTI EVERYTHING.
WE NEED TO STOP THE HERE MONGERING.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREG POWELL.
I LIVE AT 18717 MARINE DRIVE, HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE STORM WAR.
I'LL START WITH THE DEFINITION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THE BEGINNING IN THE SECOND SENTENCE SHOULD READ COMMON IMPERVIOUS SURFACES MAY INCLUDE, IF THE WORD MAY IS NOT INSERTED, THE DEFINITION EXCLUDES MATERIALS MADE OF CONCRETE ASPHALT, BRICK, AND PLASTIC, INCLUDING PERMEABLE PERVIOUS AND POROUS PAVERS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF.
THE LAST PHRASE INSERTED AT THE END OF THE DEFINITION, WE'RE YARDING POOLS WITH THE MINIMUM SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD IS UNJUSTIFIED AND INCORRECT.
STORMWATER CHAPTER 24 AND THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN ARE BASED ON CONTROLLING EXCESS RUNOFF, WHICH REQUIRES 4.3 INCHES OF FREEBOARD.
SO THE PROPOSED COMPROMISED LANGUAGE INCREASES THE PREVIOUS CREDIT FROM 50% TO 75%, BUT THEN TURNS AROUND AND INCREASES THE FREEBOARD REQUIREMENT.
THIS LANGUAGE GIVES WITH ONE HAND AND TAKES AWAY WITH THE OTHER.
SOMEONE IS PLAYING WORD GAMES HERE.
IN THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, WE TALK ABOUT 200 INCHES AN HOUR OF INFILTRATION RATE.
I'LL POINT OUT THAT THAT'S 50 TIMES 100 YEAR RAINFALL INTENSITY, ACCOUNTING FOR PLUGGING.
THIS VALUE IS STILL AT LEAST TWICE WHAT IS REASONABLE.
THE DEFINITION OF PERMEABLE INTERLOCKING CONCRETE PAVERS IS FINE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SPECIFIC DESIGN, THE USE OF PERMEABLE PAVERS.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PUBLISHED TEST DATA SHOW THAT POROUS PAVERS, TURF BLOCKS, PERVIOUS CONCRETE AND PERVIOUS PAPERS CAN INFILTRATE WATER AT RATES 10-90 TIMES GREATER THAN PERMEABLE PAVERS.
CONSEQUENTLY, THE DEFINITION AND USE SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO JUST PERMEABLE INTERLOCKING PAVERS. I'LL STOP THERE.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY, AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I SAY THAT I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION, WHETHER IT'S MINE OR SOMEONE ELSE'S.
I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE.
I WANT TO START OUT BY USING ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB AS AN EXAMPLE.
TO POINT OUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED IN 2013, 2014, HAS CURBS.
IT HAS A 65% COVERAGE FOR EACH LOT, AND THE LOTS IN SOME CASES ARE SMALLER.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE, ANY PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER WITH FLOODING.
ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS, WHY DOESN'T THE CITY HAVE CURBS? THAT WOULD HELP DIRECT AND CONTAIN A LOT OF THE STREET FLOODING.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A REALLY SHORT, FUNNY STORY.
I HAD A STORE IN SAN MARCO, WHICH IF ANYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH SAN MARCO, IT HAS A TREMENDOUS FLOODING PROBLEM.
ONE NIGHT DURING A TERRIBLE RAINSTORM, I DECIDED TO WORK LATE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN AT THE BACK DOOR, I NOTICED WATER RUSHING IN MY BACK DOOR.
AND I ENDED UP GETTING ALMOST A FOOT OF WATER IN MY STORE AND HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY GETTING IT OUT.
I OPENED THE BACK DOOR AND LO AND BEHOLD, THE FLOOD CAME EVEN WORSE,
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AND I LOOK BACK THERE, AND THERE WAS A PLASTIC MAT ON TOP OF THE DRAIN THAT WAS CONTROLLING THE BACK DOORS OF THE WHOLE STRIP WHERE I WAS.EVERY STORE FLOODED THAT NIGHT.
MY POINT BEING, IF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, OUR DRAINS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR STREET ARE CLOGGED, YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT A RUBBER MAT OVER THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. OUR HOUSE THANKFULLY DOES NOT FLOOD, SO EVERY CORNER OF ATLANTIC BEACH DOES NOT FLOOD WHICH MIGHT BE THE ASSUMPTION OF SOME PEOPLE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
WE DO HAVE FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS, BUT NOT EVERY STREET.
SO WHY DON'T WE FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT REALLY ARE PROBLEMS? I'LL LEAVE IT THAT. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY DIAZ.
MY HUSBAND, MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS OF AB FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE CHARM AND CHARACTER OF AB.
WE BUILT OUR FIRST HOME IN SALVA MARINA AND RAISED OUR FIRST KIDS THERE.
WE MOST RECENTLY RENOVATED AND MOVED INTO AN OLD HOME ON FIFTH STREET THAT WAS BUILT IN 1932.
I PUT MY HEART AND SOUL INTO RENOVATING THIS OLD HOUSE.
I SAW THE CHARM, CHARACTER, AND BEAUTY OF THIS OLD HOME THAT REPRESENTED THE REAL ATLANTIC BEACH THAT WE LOVE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES, AND I SHUDDER WHEN I SEE CHARMING OLD HOMES TORN DOWN, LEAVING BEHIND A PILE OF OLD HEART PINE OAK AND MEMORIES TO BE TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL.
I KNOW MANY OF US WHO HAVE LIVED IN ATLANTIC BEACH AGREE WITH THAT.
I KEEP HEARING THOUGH ABOUT HOW THIS NEW ORDINANCE WILL ONLY BENEFIT DEVELOPERS, UNCONCERNED CITIZENS, AND NEWCOMERS IN THEIR LARGE HOMES. I DISAGREE.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS WHO HAVE LIVED IN AB FOR MANY YEARS.
SOME LIVE IN SMALL HOMES ON SMALL LOTS.
SOME LIKE US HAVE RENOVATED INSTEAD OF TEARING DOWN THEIR OLD HOUSE.
THEY WOULD NOW LIKE TO PUT IN A POOL OR A NEW DRIVEWAY, BUT CAN'T.
SO I AM COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS ABOUT TO CONSIDER.
WE HAVE HAD POOLS IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A POOL OVERFLOW.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN AUTOMATIC DRAIN, HAVE NEVER HAD TO DRAIN IT OURSELVES.
I KNOW MANY IN ATLANTIC BEACH WITH POOLS, AND THEIRS HAVE NEVER OVERFLOWED, EITHER.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW A SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS COVERED THEIR POOL.
DURING THE MOST RECENT NOAH'S ARK EVENT, OUR POOL CONSISTENTLY STAYED A FEW INCHES BELOW THE POOL'S EDGE.
AS FOR PERVIOUS PAVERS, I'VE LISTENED TO THE EXPERTS DESCRIBED THE PERMEABILITY ASPECT.
I LISTENED TO THE MINUTES FROM BOARD MEETINGS AND TOWN HALL MEETINGS, AND I FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHING TURF BLOCK IN ACTION.
THE CITY PUT IN TURF BLOCK ALMOST A YEAR AGO ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
I HAVE NOT ONCE SEEN A PUDDLE FORM.
THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED AT 100%, BUT 50% SEEMS TO STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, WAIT FOR THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN.
I HAVE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO WATCH HOW OUR CITY HAS WAITED AND GIVEN LIP SERVICE.
I APPRECIATE MAYOR FORD AND THE COMMISSION, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT YOU DECIDE.
>> I'M SORRY. CAROLYN [INAUDIBLE].
I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE AND PRACTICAL SOLUTION, AND I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING THIS EVENING ABOUT THE FLOODING.
I'D LIKE TO REAFFIRM AND REINFORCE THE REQUEST MADE BY MOST OF US TONIGHT THAT YOU DEFER ANY ACTION TO ITEM 90 ON THE AGENDA WITH REGARD TO CHAPTER 24 UNTIL THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE IS COMPLETE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.
IT'S MUCH BETTER TO SEE AN OVERALL APPROACH THAN BE DEALING WITH THE VARIOUS PROBLEMS IN CHAPTER 24 THAT ARE TRYING TO BE ADDRESSED.
AS A LAWYER, I'VE LIVED UNDER THE PRINCIPLE ADVANCED PLANNING PREVENTS OR PERFORMANCE.
I'VE SEEN THIS IN JUDGES CHAMBERS ALL OVER THE COURTHOUSE.
WELL, I THINK THAT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT APPLIES THE DECISION TO BE MADE BY EACH OF YOU THIS EVENING.
USE ADVANCED PLANNING BY THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED TO PREVENT POOR PERFORMANCE.
WE HAVE SOME POOR PERFORMANCE WITH REGARD TO THE PROBLEMS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE WITH REGARD TO FLOODING AND PROSPECTIVELY, WE NEED TO AVOID WORSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE AND BE ABLE TO BETTER AND MORE INTELLIGENTLY DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF
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HOUSE SIZE AND PERMEABILITY AND SETBACKS AND ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT NEW CONSTRUCTION SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE BEAUTY AND THE SAFETY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU, MISS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'LL JUST SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE CHAPTER 24, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO A COUPLE OF ADD ONS BECAUSE THE ONE LADY THAT POINTED OUT THE PAVER SYSTEM ISN'T WORKING AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PERVIOUS PAVER SYSTEM.
LOOK ACROSS YOUR PARKING LOT, IT HAS AN OBSERVATION PORT.
IF YOU ADD THAT FEATURE INTO ANY PAVER SYSTEM THAT YOU APPROVE IN THE FUTURE, YOU'LL KNOW WHETHER IT'S WORKING OR NOT.
YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CONTROL FLOODING, AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE THE FLOODING TO CONTROL BUILDING.
THIS IS A DEAL WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY THEY HAVE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU CAN ADD TO THE PROPERTY TO CONTROL THE FLOODING.
JACK SPEECH WENT TO A 35% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SITUATION BACK 10 YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE SAYING IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHEN I CALLED THEM.
I CALLED THEM IN 2019 WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE 45% IMPERVIOUS LIMIT, WHICH WE DID, AND I ASKED THEM IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND JACK SPEECH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A CAT 5 STORM HIT YOU AND KNOCKED OUT ALL THE HOUSES? HOW WOULD YOUR PEOPLE REBUILD? AND THE ANSWER WAS IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
AS AMANDA POINTED OUT HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, YOUR 80% COVERAGE ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES EAST OF OCEAN BOULEVARD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL TIME REBUILDING ANY OF THOSE PLACES.
I SAW A CONTRACTOR, A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY AND ASKED HIM, HOW WOULD YOU REBUILD ON THOSE PROPERTIES? AND HE STOOD THERE SECOND THINKING, HE SAYS, THE SAME THING JACK SPEECH SAID, I COULD DO IT, BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
I SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? HE SAYS, I'D PUT SALTINE CRACKER BOXES UP ON END.
YOU IMAGINE FOUR FLOORS OF THAT WITH WINDOWS IN IT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU GO TO A 35% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMIT. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER.
I LOVE HOW ENGAGED OUR COMMUNITY IS.
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. AND ATTORNEY.
I'M JACKIE BECKENBACH, 2210 OCEAN WALK DRIVE WEST.
RESILIENCE IS THE ABILITY TO RECOVER OR BOUNCE BACK.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ASKS, HOW ARE WE DOING? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPEAR WITH SOME OF THE FLOODING SITUATIONS WE'RE HAVING THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT YET.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISIONS TO REALLY REFLECT ON THAT.
HOW ARE WE DOING AND RESILIENCE IS A PRIORITY OF OURS, SO THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS.
I'VE LIVED IN OCEAN WALK FOR 38 YEARS.
IN OCEAN WALK, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, THE HOMES ARE OF APPROPRIATE SIZE ON APPROPRIATE LOTS FOR THE LOTS THAT THEY'RE BUILD ON.
THERE ARE THREE RETENTION LAKES IN OCEAN WALK, AND THERE'S ALSO ZERO CREDIT GIVEN FOR PERMEABILITY FOR POOLS.
AND IN THE 38 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED THERE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A FLOODING ISSUE EVER.
SO I THINK THAT KIND OF FORETHOUGHT AND PLANNING AND THINKING AHEAD AS TO HOW CAN WE PREVENT ISSUES IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY.
SO I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED FROM THE GROUP THAT WE'VE HIRED, THAT I'M SURE WE'RE PAYING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, SO THAT WHAT WE DO IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUILD LARGE HOMES ON TINY LOTS AND NOT NECESSARILY THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> GOOD EVENING. I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK,
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BUT I FEEL LIKE I BEING AT THE END, I WANTED TO JUST FOLLOW UP ON A FEW THINGS.AS SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER MY OTHER LONG TALK AT THE WORKSHOP IN JUNE.
BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO THROW OUT IS KIND OF AN ANALOGY.
AND THAT IS STARTING IN THE '80S AND '90S, MOST CITIES STARTED TO FORCE PEOPLE OFF OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS, THEIR PERSONAL SEPTIC TANK IN THEIR YARD AND MADE THEM HOOK UP TO THE CITY SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
THAT'S A GREAT THING. IT'S A GOOD THING.
NOW ONLY IS A REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND I FIND IT FARCICAL THAT OUR CITY HERE, CURRENTLY, EVERY INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER HAS TO HAVE THEIR PERSONAL STORMWATER SEPTIC FIELD, WHICH, IF THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD TO DEVELOP A TIGHT LOT, YOUR ENTIRE YARD HAS BECOME THE DOMINION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS YOU HAVE ALL THESE VALLEYS AND HILLS AND GOOFY THINGS.
AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, IT DRIVES ME CRAZY TO LOOK AT THAT.
>> BUT I JUST FIND IT IRONIC THAT WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THESE PERSONAL STORMWATER SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE DESTINED TO FAIL BECAUSE THERE'S NO OUTFALL FOR THEM.
THEY EVENTUALLY WILL SILT UP OR FILL UP.
BUT YET WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL MODEL IN OUR SANITARY SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUILD THE SYSTEMS IN THE AREAS THAT NEED IT.
ATLANTIC BEACH HAS SOME FLOODING ISSUES, AND THEY'RE GENERALLY LOW AREAS.
BUT AS YOU'VE SEEN, OCEAN WALK, ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB, THEIR ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR 100 YEAR FLOODS.
IT WORKS FINE. NOW, WE CAN'T GO AND DO ALL THAT IN OUR CORE CITY IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS LIKE OAK CIRCLE.
BUT WE CAN BUILD SMALLER SYSTEMS THAT CAN LEAD TO NATURAL SYSTEMS. THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SPEAKERS, BUT I DO HAVE A CARD THAT WANTED TO GO ON RECORD.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE NAME RIGHT.
JESSICA CLANCY SADINI IS OPPOSED TO SECTION 24-253 DUE TO THE IMMENSE FLOODING WITH OUR CURRENT DRAINAGE.
>> FOLKS, I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT WE NEED A QUICK BREAK FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE DIAS FOR SURE, SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS, PLEASE.
>> DID YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. THIS MEETING WILL NOW RECONVENE.
DONNA, I DON'T BELIEVE I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THEN WE'LL OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DID WE READ EVERYTHING? WE DID.
WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND FOR THE COMMISSION IS, AS I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH LEGAL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY VOTE TO APPROVE TONIGHT. WE CAN.
WELL, WE SHOULD VOTE TO APPROVE THE READING OF THIS ORDINANCE IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS THAT WE SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON IT TO CLEAN UP WHATEVER WE THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE OR CLARIFY SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE ANY FINAL CHANGES AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEY'RE MINIMAL.
BUT WITH YOUR PERMISSION, COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO READ A QUICK STATEMENT, IF I MAY.
THIS IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AND CERTAINLY EXACERBATED BY THE RECENT STORM EVENTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SET A FEW THINGS STRAIGHT.
AT LEAST I BELIEVE THIS COMMISSION IF THEY APPROVE SOME OR MUCH OF WHAT'S IN THIS ORDINANCE.
WE'VE LEFT THE BIG ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION AND RESOLUTION NEXT YEAR BASED ON THE RESULTS OF A NEW STUDY FOR IDENTIFYING OUR NEEDS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STORMWATER REMEDIATION.
THESE ISSUES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ADDRESSING THE DIFFERENCES IN TOPOGRAPHY, PERCOLATION RATES, AND DEPTHS FROM EXISTING GRADE DOWN TO THE WATER TABLE.
THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
ONE SIZE OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE CITY DO NOT MAKE SENSE, AND I BELIEVE I HEARD COMMISSIONER KELLY, AND I DON'T MEAN TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE YOU INDICATED THE LAST STUDY WAS DONE ALL OVER THE CITY, BUT THE PREDOMINANCE OF THAT STUDY WAS IN
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A FIVE BLOCK AREA IN THE OLD TOWN CENTER OR THE OLD CITY AREA, SO IT WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA FROM ALL OVER THE CITY.IF I'M INCORRECT, ANY OF THE CITY STAFF IS WELCOME TO CORRECT ME ON THAT.
WHAT ALL CITIZENS SHOULD SUPPORT IS PRACTICAL, EFFECTIVE, AND ACTIONABLE BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT CODES THAT SOLVE AND MEET OUR STORMWATER CONCERNS.
TO THAT END, I'VE ASKED CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH TO PUT A PRIORITY ON MAINTENANCE OF OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY SOMEWHAT FLAT AS A CITY, AND I'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR SAYING THAT TODAY, ALSO, COMMISSIONER KELLY, AND WE ARE A CITY WITH A LOT OF DRAINAGE DITCHES, THOSE DITCHES NEED TO BE MAINTAINED FOR THE BEST PERFORMANCE THEY CAN GIVE US.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE DEDICATING MORE RESOURCES TO ENSURE THAT PUBLIC WORKS CAN DELIVER TO THIS CRITICAL NEED.
THIS IS NO DING ON PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY ARE WORKING LIKE MADMAN TO KEEP UP WITH OUR NEEDS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S BECOME CLEAR.
FOR SOME OF YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, I'VE HAD MY BOOTS ON, AND I'VE BEEN WALKING DITCHES, AND SO I THINK WE NEED MORE IN THAT AREA.
I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, I KNOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL AS WELL.
THE PROPOSALS IN THIS ORDINANCE TODAY ARE PRACTICAL AND ATTAINABLE BASED ON PROPER INSTALLATION TO DESIGN STANDARDS AND ACTUALLY GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BEST PRACTICES USING STATE OF THE ART METHODS TO CONTROL STORMWATER WITHOUT ELIMINATING QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES FOR HOMEOWNERS.
I WANT TO COMPLIMENT ONE OF THE CITIZENS.
I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT NAMES, BUT HE WAS FROM THE ESC, AND HE MADE THE COMMENT.
I JUST HOPE THAT IF YOU PASS THINGS TODAY, THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO REOPEN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN NEXT YEAR, AND OF COURSE WE SHOULD DO THAT.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE TODAY FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN OUR STORMWATER PLAN, BUT I AM ADVOCATING FOR A FEW, AND THEY ARE IN THE CURRENT PRESENTATION.
ONE IS THIS ELIMINATION OF A TRIGGER BASED ON THE 50%.
IF YOUR IMPROVEMENTS INCREASE BY 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, YOU ARE NOW MANDATED TO CONTRIBUTE OR TO DEVELOP A ONSITE STORMWATER RETENTION PLAN.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ACTUAL IMPACT BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A REMODEL ON A HOUSE WHERE YOU CHANGE NONE OF THE FOOTPRINT, SO THEREFORE, YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING STORMWATER AT ALL, BUT NOW YOU'RE MADE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS OVERALL THEME OF ONSITE STORMWATER RETENTION.
THAT IS A HEAVY BURDEN THAT THE CITY HAS PUT ON CITIZENS TO MAKE UP FOR THE CITY'S LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER.
BY THE WAY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A BUMP OUT ROOM ADDITION ON THEIR HOUSE, THEN THEY HAVE TO CONFORM TO WHATEVER RULES WE HAVE FOR THE OTHER TRIGGER THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED TO CHANGE FROM 250-400 FEET IF WE DO THAT.
I WANT TO ALSO ADDRESS PERMEABLE TAB PAVERS.
NOTICE THAT OUR CHANGES DO NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS PAVER TYPES AS ONE OF OUR CITIZENS, MR. POWELL HAS SO WELL DESCRIBED.
THERE ARE PAVERS THAT PERFORM EVEN BETTER THAN THE PERMEABLE.
I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT JUST THE PERMEABLE TAB PAVERS FOR TODAY, BECAUSE I ALSO RESPECT THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND NOT IN HASTE DO SOMETHING THAT WE WILL REGRET.
THE PERMEABLE TAB PAVERS, AND A CITIZEN SPOKE EARLIER AND TALKED ABOUT HER PERMEABLE PAVERS FAILING IN HER DRIVEWAY, AND THOSE WERE NOT PERMEABLE PAVERS.
THOSE WERE EITHER PERVIOUS PAVERS OR NEITHER.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE PERMEABLE TAB PAVERS THAT WE'VE INSTALLED IN THE BACK PARKING LOT THAT HAVE TABS BETWEEN THE PAVERS THAT SEPARATE THEM.
THIS ISSUE OF SOMEBODY PAINTING A CEILER ON THEIR PAVERS AND THEY NO LONGER WORK, THAT DOESN'T WASH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPARATED PAVERS.
THE ISSUE HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THAT PAVERS, EVEN THE GOOD PAVERS THAT ARE SEPARATED BY TABS WILL SILT UP AND PERFORM AT A LOWER EFFECTIVE RATE OVER TIME IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN THEM THAN WHERE THEY STARTED.
BUT I BELIEVE THIS, AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS TODAY, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHY THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT RECOMMENDS 50% ON THOSE PAVERS BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THE HIGH-END PERFORMANCE AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS WELL OVER OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, DIMINISHES OVER TIME IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED WELL.
THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMEND 50%, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD THAT WE MATCHED OFF ON THAT.
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTOOD FROM TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TAKEAWAY TO TIGHTEN OUR STORMWATER CODE, AND THAT IS ELIMINATION OF GRANDFATHERING IN.UP TO DATE, YOU COULD HAVE A HOUSE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT PEOPLE FOR ACTS OF GOD.
IF THE HOUSE BURNS DOWN, BLOWS DOWN OR FLOODS AND HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND IT'S YOUR RESIDENCE, YOU CAN REBUILD, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY BE EXCEEDING THE CURRENT 45% LOT COVERAGE.
BUT IF IT'S YOUR INTENT, WHETHER YOU'RE THE EXISTING OWNER OR A SUBSEQUENT BUYER OF THAT HOME, IF IT'S YOUR INTENT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A HOME THAT WAS AT 70% LOT COVERAGE, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED THAT ON A REBUILD, SO YOU WANT TO REBUILD THAT HOUSE TO A MODERN STRUCTURE? YOU'RE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE CURRENT 45%.
I THINK DIRECTIONALLY, THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK IT'S A BIG ISSUE THAT WE SEND THE RIGHT SIGNAL THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE CHANGES THAT APPEAR TO BE ONE SIDED.
THAT ONE IS A GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE BUSINESS AS USUAL AND ALLOW THESE MASSIVE HOMES THAT COVER THE LOT TO BE REBUILT ABOVE THE 45%.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY FOR NOW AND I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION, AND THEN I'LL HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER.
>> MAYBE I GET TO STILL ABOUT BOTH SIDES HERE.
I'VE HEARD FROM MY COMMUNITY, AND THEY SAY, WE'RE GOING TO RE FUNDED AN $800,000 STORMWATER MASTER PLAN CORRECT IN THE NEW PLEDGE.
WHY WOULDN'T WE TAKE THE GOOD QUALITY WORK THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BEFORE DID, WRITE IT INTO THE RP AND RP LISTS EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COLUMN, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS OF DOING THOSE THINGS ARE.
IN THE RP, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT YOURSELF.
IN LAKE BEACH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT'S REALLY THREE CITIES, THERE'S HERE, THERE AND ACROSS MAYPORT.
THERE'S SOME VERY INTENSIVE ANALYSIS THAT I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO GET YET.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON STORMWATER, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THESE CHANGES WOULD DO TO THAT AND THE RESULTING IN THE RP THAT WE RELEASE. COMMISSIONER.
>> THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT AMENDEZ PEOPLE DID ON THIS IS PRACTICALLY INHUMANE.
A SMALL PIECE OF IT IS STORMWATER.
THE REST OF THE RED LINES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STORMWATER, AND I DON'T WANT TO THROW THAT BABY OUT WITH BATHWATER AT ALL.
I KNOW THE 45% IN HERE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE REPORTING TO STORMWATER, I'D BE HAPPY TO DELAY IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO LET HER KEEP THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR ON THE REST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH IN BUILDING.
>> WELL, SPEAKING OF THE OTHERS THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH STORMWATER, I HAVE QUALMS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
IN PARTICULAR, THOSE CHANGES THAT WOULD AFFECT THE MAYPORT BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I HEARD YOU SAY NO MORE METAL COMPLETELY.
I THINK A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN A PRESENTATION AT ALL FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT REGARDING THAT, AND MAYBE I SLEPT ON THAT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE ATTENTION HAS BEEN ON STORMWATER.
BUT I, FOR ONE TODAY, WOULD NOT BE FOR ANY OF THAT UNTIL I KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, AT LEAST ON MAYPORT, HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN, A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND HEAR OUT ALL OF THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, SO THAT YOU'LL HEAR ME TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR MY MAYPORT BUSINESS DISTRICT TO PASS THAT, YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY NO TO THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMOVED TONIGHT BEFORE I PASS THAT.
THE SECOND THING I DO HAVE A QUALM WITH TOO IS THE MAILERS.
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST THE CITY? DO WE REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE LESS COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN WE MAKE THESE CHANGES? TONIGHT ALONE, WE HAVE 35 SPEAKERS, BUT MUCH MORE PEOPLE WERE HERE.
I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON THAT ONE EITHER.
>> COMMISSIONER, AMANDA, COULD YOU JOIN US AND WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THESE.
>> THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES. THE TOWN HALL ZERO SETBACK OR THE TOWNHOUSE HAS ZERO SETBACKS IN THE BACK SIDE OF THE SIDE YARDS.
EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO ME AND HOW THAT DOES NOT HURT THE STORM WATER ISSUES, EVEN MORE SO THAN
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THE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAVE PROPOSED.>> AMANDA, ASK YOU, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, IS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS ONLY RIGHT NOW APPLICABLE TO PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN 100 FEET OF OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE FIRST PARCEL THAT TOUCHES ATLANTIC BOULEVARD OR MAYPORT ROAD.
WE DID THE MAYPORT VISIONING BACK IN 2017, 2018.
THE PURPOSE OF THE MAYPORT VISIONING PLAN WAS TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND THOUGHTS.
>> IT DID INCLUDE BUSINESS OWNERS.
>> CAN WE NOT DO THAT AGAIN HERE?
HOWEVER, I DO RECOMMEND, LIKE COMMISSIONER KELLY SAID, PERHAPS JUST CERTAIN ELEMENTS ARE PASSED.
THAT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW, YOU COULD APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR MODIFY SOMETHING.
BUT HOWEVER, STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS NO BUFFER, SO IN PLANNING UTOPIAN SOCIETY, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU COULD START FROM SCRATCH AND YOU TRANSITION FROM YOUR HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USES DOWN TO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
>> A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES AMANDA WERE THERE BEFORE THE RESIDENTS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES OVER THERE.
THEY'RE PLATTED FROM THE 1930S, SO THERE HAS BEEN DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, AND WE DON'T HAVE A BUFFER OR TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
OFTENTIMES YOU HAVE METAL BUILDINGS WITH ROLLED UP DOORS.
IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, A TOWN HOME OR A DUPLEX.
>> CAME AFTER THE BUSINESS WAS THERE.
>> I WAS THERE IN THE '80S, AND THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF HOMES BUILT IN THAT AREA.
THOSE WAREHOUSES THAT WERE THERE WERE THERE FIRST, AND THEN WHEN THE PROPERTIES WERE BUILT, THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE BUILT.
THEY WERE BUILT IN FRONT OF THE WAREHOUSES.
I KNOW WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT TONIGHT, WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GIVEN A SEAT AT THIS TABLE.
>> WELL, IT'S BEEN PUBLIC MEETING.
THEY ARE WELCOME. ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO ATTEND PUBLIC MEETINGS.
IT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR PRESENTATION, AND ALSO THE CHANGES IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO GET THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET CREATE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE IN OUR COMMERCIAL AREA.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE SUGGESTED FOR SITE LAYOUT, INCLUDING IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND SOME OF THE DRIVE THROUGHS AND THE PEDESTRIAN LANES.
AGAIN, TRYING TO CREATE A MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE DIVIDE LINE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, SO YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE METAL BUILDINGS WITH ROLL UP DOORS.
>> COMMERCIAL. OFTENTIMES WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL USERS THAT WANT TO GO IN THERE.
THEY SEE IT A METAL BUILDING WITH ROLL UP DOORS.
THEY THINK, HEY, I CAN PUT HEAVY AUTO BODY FACILITY IN THERE.
>> YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF METAL BUILDINGS WITH ROLL UP DOORS.
>> 100 FROM MAYPORT THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL USE? BECAUSE THE ONE METAL BUILDING I KNOW THAT HAS ROLL UP DOOR IS ITS ROCK, GOT A CLIMBING GYM, AND IT IS FLOODED WITH PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS WHO ENJOY THAT FACILITY.
>> THERE ARE FURTHER NORTH ALONG MAYPORT ROAD, WHERE THERE ARE METAL BUILDINGS WITH ROLL UP DOORS THAT HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES IN THERE THAT AGAIN, ARE ON THE BORDERLINE.
THEY SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL, BUT AS A PERSON, POTENTIALLY A RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS OWNER, IT FEELS INDUSTRIAL.
THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A BETTER LOOKING STREET BY REQUIRING SOME ARCHITECTURAL CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT MAKE THE BUILDING FEEL LIKE IT FITS IN AND NOT AS A METAL BUILDING WITH ROLL UP DOORS.
>> WHERE I CAN APPRECIATE THE DRIVE TO WANT TO BETTER IMPROVE MAYPORT, A FEW THINGS.
FDOT IS SLATED TO DO AN ENTIRE MAYPORT IMPROVEMENT PLAN FROM ATLANTIC BOULEVARD TO DUTTON, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE $7-8 MILLION.
THAT'S ONE. BUT TWO, IF YOU WANT TO PASS SUCH CODES AND ORDINANCES WITHOUT THE SAY OR INPUT OR INSIGHT OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, SOME OF THEM LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT SO TODAY,
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I WOULD NOT BE FOR THIS AT ALL.SO MUCH OF THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS DID NOT ADDRESS THIS.
>> WELL, IT'S IN THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION.
IT IS TOWARDS THE END, SO PERHAPS PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE GLOSSED OVER I KNOW AFTER A WHILE, LOOKING AT THOSE SIDES AND SLIDES AND TALKING ABOUT CODE CHANGES THAT TENDS TO GET A LITTLE [OVERLAPPING].
>> COMMISSIONER MAY I ADD TO THIS?
>> I THINK THE SOLUTION HERE BECAUSE I'M HEARING AMANDA, WE ALREADY HAVE THE SPECIAL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE CORRIDOR, DO WE REFER TO IT AS THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OR THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR?
>> IT'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
>> BUT THAT IS FOR EVERYTHING COMMERCIAL 100 FEET OFF OF THE CORRIDOR OFF MAYPORT.
I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AT LEAST PARTLY IS SIMPLY REINSTATE OR PUT CORRIDOR BACK IN.
LET'S STICK WITH THAT BECAUSE THE WHOLE INTENT OF THAT ORIGINALLY WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VISUAL FOR PEOPLE VISITING OUR CITY ON ATLANTIC AND OR MAYPORT, THE VISUAL WAS GOOD SO THAT 100 FEET WAS ESTABLISHED.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE TRANSITION TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER RING, SO MANY OF THOSE HOMES CAME AFTER THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
I GUESS IF I WAS ABLE TO DO THE MATH AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER, I'D BE SO INTERESTED TO KNOW IF WE TOOK AWAY CORRIDOR AND WE PUT OUR RULES ALL THE WAY ON EVERYTHING COMMERCIAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUILDINGS AT THAT POINT WOULD BE NON CONFORMING GOING FORWARD, AND I'M BETTING IT'S WAY NORTH OF 70 OR 80% OF OUR BUILDINGS WOULD BE NON CONFORMING SO THAT CONCERNS ME AND I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVISIT IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE WANT TO PUSH IT BACK INTO THE POINT OF COMMISSIONER RING, HAVE MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, I THINK WE'D GO THERE.
BUT I REALLY THINK THE SOLUTION IS JUST MAKE SURE WE KEEP COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN THE CODE, SO THAT'S ONLY THE BUILDINGS 100 FEET OFF OF MAYPORT, OR ATLANTIC, AND THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
NOW, SOME OF THE TWEAKS IN THE CODE ARE NEW, AND YOU CAN EXPLORE THOSE, BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE.
YES, COMMISSIONER. ARE YOU YIELDING AT THIS POINT? COMMISSIONER?
>> WE SPENT AT LEAST TWO YEARS DEVELOPING THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR VISION AND WE HAD BUSINESS OWNERS HERE WHO WERE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THAT VISIONING PROCESS.
I'M SORRY IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG TO GET IT ONTO PAPER, BUT WE WORKED ON IT FOR TWO YEARS, AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS WERE THERE.
IT WAS A COMMISSION VISION TO IMPROVE THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR, TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND LESS UGLY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THERE.
>> WELL, WERE ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM? BECAUSE I BROUGHT SOME OF THEM TO THEM RECENTLY TO BUSINESS OWNERS WHO SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CHANGE OF NOT ALLOWING THE METAL.
>> THE METAL HAS BEEN IN THERE SINCE 2019.
>> THEY WERE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT COMMISSIONER KELLY WAS DISCUSSING.
THEY SAID, OKAY, TO THE METAL?
>> I'M ASSUMING SO. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT THE METAL HAS BEEN IN THE CODE, NO METAL ALONG THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR SINCE 2019.
>> BUT EVEN THERE'S ONE AMENDMENT IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A WINDOW TO BREAK UP.
>> THAT IS NEW. YES. THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS TO BREAK UP THAT LONG BLANK WALL IS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING FACADE THAT HAS NO WINDOWS OR NO DOORS ON IT.
I DON'T THINK I FINISHED ANSWERING COMMISSIONER RING'S QUESTION ABOUT A DUPLEX.
DUPLEXES IN TOWN HOMES ARE TYPICALLY BUILT AT ONE TIME, AND WE ARE SEEING A TREND NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO ADD ON TO TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEXES.
I BELIEVE WE EVEN HEARD SOMETHING BEFORE THE COMMISSION REGARDING THIS.
WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WANTING TO ADD THAT ON.
THE WAY THE CURRENT CODE READS RIGHT NOW IS YOUR ADDITION HAS TO MEET ALL OF THE SETBACKS SO YOUR FRONT YARD, YOUR REAR YARD, YOUR SIDE YARD, AND YOUR INTERIOR, YOUR SHARED YARD, THE ONE WITH A ZERO LOT LINE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE CODE IS TO ALLOW YOU TO ADD AN ADDITION, HOWEVER, THE ADDITION WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE SETBACKS EXCEPT FOR THAT ZERO SETBACK THAT SHARED WALL LINE.
NOW, YOU WOULD BE LIMITED STILL TO 45% LOT COVERAGE, SO IT WOULD NOT INCREASE YOUR IMPERMEABLE AREA,
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BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UP TO THAT SHARED LOT LINE.THAT IS A TREND THAT WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VARIANCES BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO ALLOW THOSE TYPE OF ADDITIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.
>> THE LAST ONE. I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND I JUST KNOW HOW MUCH WORK AMANDA AND THE CDB BOARD HAVE PUT INTO THIS.
I GOT SOME NOTES FROM MR. POWELL AND I WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OR AFFECT THE WORDING OF THIS, BUT I'M FINE. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
THEN MAYBE I GET THE FINAL SAY.
I WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
I HEAR THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT IT'S PRETTY EXCESSIVE TO HAVE A PENETRATION RATE OF 200 INCHES AN HOUR SO I DON'T WANT TO BLOW UP THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE GO TO VOTE ON THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT.
I THINK WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF REDUCING IT BY 50% IS WAY WAY ABOVE WHAT OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS WHAT CAME UP IS THE TOXICITY OF PLASTIC AND SO ON AND I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, AND WE COULD PUNT ON THIS, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS ISN'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PAVERS AND SO ON, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO REPEAL SOMETHING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROHIBITION AGAINST ARTIFICIAL TURF TODAY SO THIS IS A NEW AD TO TRY TO PROHIBIT.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING, I'M GOING TO MAKE TWO POINTS ON THIS.
ONE IS, ARTIFICIAL TURF TODAY IS NOT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF OF OUR FATHERS AND OUR GRANDFATHERS.
THINGS HAVE IMPROVED, AND THESE INSTALLERS KNOW THAT THERE'S TOXICITY ISSUES AND SO ON.
BUT BEFORE WE SAY THAT WE WANT TO BAN ARTIFICIAL TURF, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SPECS ARE AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE STORMWATER STUDY THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE NEED TO KNOW THE SPECS, AND WE NEED TO ALSO, WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING ON THAT? WE JUST NEED TO REVIEW THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OH, THE OTHER THING IS, NOBODY IS ADDRESSING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND THAT IS, OKAY, ON THE ONE HAND, WE MAY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TOXICITY, BUT ONE OF OUR GOALS IN THIS CITY IS TO REDUCE WATER CONSUMPTION.
WELL, YOU DON'T NEED WATER FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF.
OH, BY THE WAY, NO PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES, OR INSECTICIDES.
WHAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT BY NOT HAVING THOSE AND INSTEAD HAVING ARTIFICIAL TURF? I'VE BEEN READING ON THIS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT JUST SITTING HERE TAKING A LINE, I'M READING AND STUDYING.
YOU COULD CONTROL WHERE YOU PUT IT.
THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH HEAT INDEX FOR RADIANT HEAT COMING OFF OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
MAYBE THERE'S A CODE PROVISION THAT YOU PUT IT IN SHADE AREAS.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
FOR TODAY, I DON'T WISH TO PROHIBIT ARTIFICIAL TURF AT ALL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT SHOULD COME UP NEXT YEAR WITHOUT REGARD TO DOING THE STORMWATER STUDY.
BUT THEN FINALLY, ON THE PERMEABLE PAVERS, I SEE NO REASON TO DELAY ON IT.
I APPRECIATE PEOPLE PUSHING TO WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
FIVE YEARS AGO, AND WHEN I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT PASSED THE ORDINANCE THAT BECAME OUR CODE THAT WE'RE NOW ADDRESSING, THE MAJORITY, ALMOST ENTIRELY ALL CITIZENS IN BOTH MEETINGS SPOKE AGAINST ADOPTION OF THIS.
THE, THE CDB VOTED AGAINST ADOPTION OF THIS, AND THE PRIOR COMMISSION ADOPTED IT.
I'VE WAITED FIVE YEARS, I WANT TO ACT ON THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ACTIONABLE.
PERMEABLE PAVERS WITH TABS PROPERLY INSTALLED, AND WE HAVE A DIAGRAM IN THE THE ORDINANCE THAT SHOWS THE PROPER INSTALLATION.
I WANT TO START THERE, AND I FORGET WHO SAID IT TONIGHT, I WANT THIS TO BE A MODEL FOR WHAT WE DO NEXT FOR ONSITE STORMWATER RETENTION.
IMAGINE IF 18 INCHES OR EVEN 24 THAT ONE PERSON MENTIONED OF AGGREGATE BELOW THE SURFACE OF THOSE PAPERS, IF THAT WOULD BE THE NORM, WHAT IF 36 INCHES? WHAT IF 48 INCHES? NOW, YOU CAN'T GO BELOW THE WATER TABLE BECAUSE YOU GET NO VALUE OUT OF THAT.
BUT WE LITERALLY COULD MOVE AWAY FROM ALL OF THESE SWALES THAT ARE IN THE FRONT YARD AND START PUTTING OUR STORMWATER UNDER THE DRIVEWAYS, GETTING THE EFFECT THAT WE WANT OUT OF OUR STORMWATER CODE,
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HAVING A MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL CITY.I'M GOING TO JUST PUT THIS OUT THERE.
PLEASE DON'T ANSWER, LADIES, BUT I KNOW MY WIFE DOES NOT LIKE GETTING OUT IN A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH HEELS ON.
EVEN THE TURF BLOCK DOESN'T WORK WITH HEELS YOU GET STUCK IN THE OPENINGS.
THIS IS A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR OUR CITIZENS LET'S NOT SACRIFICE FOR PERFECTION, WHAT'S ORDINARY OR JUST GOOD.
LET'S FOCUS ON GETTING GOOD, AND THEN WE CAN FOCUS MORE ON PERFECTION.
THEN FINALLY, THIS POOL ISSUE.
IN THE REVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH, ALL I SEE IS THE 75% WITH SEVEN INCHES OF FREEBOARD OR SEVEN INCHES TO THE TOP OF THE POOL.
ARE WE STILL IN THAT? ARE WE STILL ALLOWING FOR THE 50% PERVIOUS ON POOLS THAT ARE BELOW THE SEVEN INCHES? I DON'T KNOW. CAN YOU ANSWER THAT, AMANDA?
>> NO. RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS THE POOLS WOULD BE CONSIDERED 75% PERMEABLE IF YOU HAVE A SEVEN INCH FREE POOL.
>> NO DISRESPECT, BUT SOMEBODY SAID THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SLEIGHT OF HAND YOU'RE GIVING ON ONE HAND AND TAKING AWAY ON THE OTHER SO, THAT'S NOT OKAY SO THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO DECIDE, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD EVERYTHING, I MAKE TWO PROPOSALS, AND WE CAN REFINE THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IS IF WE ADOPT THE 75% WITH A SEVEN INCH, WHICH I THINK IS MORE THAN ENOUGH ON THE SEVEN INCHES, I SPOKE AGAIN TO MY CONNECTION AT SURFSIDE POOLS TODAY.
BUT IF WE DID THAT, I WANT TO RETAIN THE 50% ON ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN SEVEN INCHES WITH ONE EXCEPTION, WORD SMITH THIS ON THE NEXT MEETING, BUT CLEARLY, IF YOU WANT TO BE HONEST TO THE TRUTH OF ALL THIS, ONE WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION WHY WE WOULD GIVE ANY PERVIOUS CREDIT TO A POOL THAT'S AN INFINITY POOL.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO CAPTURE WATER, OR AT LEAST NOT MUCH, YOU'LL CAPTURE A LITTLE.
I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CITIZENS AT ATLANTIC BEACH THAT WON'T BE HAPPY WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER [OVERLAPPING].
>> AS A POOL OWNER, THE TROUBLE I HAVE WITH THAT IS I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF GOING AND SEEING HOW MUCH FREEBOARD ARE IN THESE POOLS.
A LOT OF THESE POOLS ARE IN THE BACK YARD SO THE ASSUMPTION THERE IS THAT WE ALL HAVE 4.5 OR ABOVE PEOPLE DO COVER THEM.
I'VE COVERED MINE DURING THE WINTER.
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
WHAT I WANT US TO DO IS GO BY THE DESIGN STANDARDS BY THE MANUFACTURER FOR HOW THE POOL OPERATES AT MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT SO SILLY AS TO RAISE THE WATER LEVEL ABOVE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL FOR THEIR SKIMMER TO WORK PROPERLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KEEPS THE POOL CLEAN SO I THINK YOU GO BY THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH SCOTTY AT SURFSIDE POOLS, AND HE WILL COME TALK TO THIS COMMISSION AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WAYS OF INCREASING THE DEPTH AND GOING FROM A ONE AND A QUARTER INCH COPING TO A 2.5 INCH COPING AND INCREASING VOLUME, DOING STEP OUTS ON POOLS.
THERE'S SO MANY SOLUTIONS WITHOUT JUST SAYING, WE'RE AGAINST POOLS.
BUT I HEAR YOU. IF WE NEED TO PUNT ON THAT UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> I'M A POOL OWNER, BUT THERE'S SOME ASSUMPTIONS THERE.
I RARELY SEE A POOL WITH GRASS COMING UP TO THE SIDE OF.
YOU HAVE SOME PROBABLY PROBABLY SOME IMPERVIOUS AROUND.
>> WE COUNT THAT AS IMPERVIOUS.
>> EXACTLY. YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
THEY PROBABLY KEEP IT AT THE SKIMMER HEIGHT, I WOULD GUESS BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE DURING A HURRICANE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN GO ON THERE AND THAT'S FINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT IFS THERE IN POOLS.
RIGHT. AND SO LET ME MAKE ONE FINAL POINT, WE'LL DEFER ON THAT FOR TODAY.
I AGREE THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I DID A LOT OF STUDY AND TALKED TO A LOT OF REALTORS WHO SELL OUR HOMES THAT SAY THEY DON'T SEE COVERS ON POOLS.
BUT THEN I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE YOU COMPROMISE, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU SAY, INSTEAD OF GOING 80% OR 100%, BECAUSE IT'S GOT FREEBOARD, YOU ONLY DO 50 OR 75 BECAUSE YOU KNOW TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE POLICE LATER AND GO OUT AND LOOK IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE CHEATING AND PUT A COVER ON IT.
SO WE GO DIRECTIONALLY AND WE DON'T SACRIFICE THE GOOD FOR PERFECTION.
WE TRY TO GET CLOSE TO THE MARK AND MAKE SURE OUR CITIZENS ARE PROPERLY TAKEN CARE OF WHILE WE ALSO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AGAINST STORMWATER ISSUES.
I'M WILLING TO PUSH THAT OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
BUT IF WE'LL PASS ON THE POOLS TODAY,
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CAN WE AT LEAST DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PERMEABLE PAVERS AS WRITTEN AT 50% WITH THE DESIGN SPECS FOR INSTALLATION.THERE'S NO CHANGE NECESSARY THERE.
AND THEN TO REMOVE THE TRIGGER FOR THE 50% VALUE INCREASE BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE MOVE 250-400 FT AS A TRIGGER? YES, COMMISSIONER.
WITH PERMEABLE PAVERS, THE INSTALLATION SOMEBODY FROM ESC MENTIONED IT TONIGHT AND I REALLY WANT TO SECOND IT.
AND THAT IS, OUR TREE COVER IS PRECIOUS, AND BY INSTALLING PAVERS TOO CLOSE TO THE TREE, YOU'RE GOING TO CUT TREE ROOTS, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE TREE MORE VULNERABLE AND LESS VALUABLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MAKE A, X NUMBER OF FEET FROM THE TREE TRUNK BEFORE YOU CAN DIG THAT 18 OR 24 INCHES DOWN.
SO I JUST COMMENT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THAT REQUIRES A LOT MORE TO STUDY AND DISCUSSION TO PUT THAT INTO PLACE.
I THINK THAT MAY BE FOR NEXT YEAR'S REVISIT OF CHAPTER 24 YET AGAIN.
I MEAN, IN PLACES LIKE ABE, ABCC, WHERE THE LOTS ARE CLEARED, THAT'S GREAT.
PUT THEM IN AND THEN PUT OUT THE TREES NEXT TO THEM.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH, THOSE TREES ARE ESTABLISHED, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO CHOP THEIR ROOTS.
I AGREE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH STORMWATER, AND THAT'S NOT STORMWATER.
AND RIGHT NOW, ANY HOMEOWNER CAN PUT IN PAVERS, UP CLOSE TO THE TREE IF THEY HAVE IF THEY'RE WITHIN 45% LOT COVERAGE.
SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARY THING TO SOLVE WITH OUR CHAPTER 24 STORMWATER DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WORTHY OF DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ESC ON THAT SHOULD BE LISTED.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A YEAR TO PUT THOSE PAVERS IN? ALL I'M SAYING IS PEOPLE CAN PUT THE PAPERS IN TODAY RIGHT UP TO THE TREE.
THE LIMITATION IS PEOPLE CAN'T EXCEED 45% LOT COVERAGE.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT PUSHING A NARRATIVE OF PUTTING PAVERS UP AGAINST A TREE.
AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP US FOCUSED ON WHAT'S THE HOT BUTTON FOR THIS WHOLE THING.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAT HERE ALL NIGHT.
THE ISSUE IS PERMEABLE PAVERS OR NOT WITH A RATIO SOMETHING ABOVE ZERO.
AND GUYS, I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING AND WATCHING THE RERUN TO THINK THAT IT'S OKAY TO TAKE AN EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ABSOLUTELY EMBRACING AND SAY ZERO ON PERMEABILITY IS A FALSE NARRATIVE.
AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE FULL STORMWATER STUDY TO PASS LEGISLATION ON THIS.
BUT WE ARE, AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
WE ARE PUNTING ON THE BIG ISSUES.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO COMPLIMENT CITIZEN POWELL IS HE HAS NEVER ONCE TOLD ME THAT HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE ON SITE STORAGE.
AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM ANOTHER CITIZEN, WE MAY, IN FACT, BE THE ONLY CITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT ACTUALLY ENFORCES ON SITE STORAGE FOR A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
I WANT TO KNOW MORE IF SOMEBODY CAN FIND IT, BRING IT, NOT COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, AND WHAT ARE THE RULES AND HOW EFFECTIVE HAS IT BEEN.
BUT TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE BY MR. POWELL EARLIER, HE IS NOT AGAINST ON SITE STORAGE.
HE REALLY IS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND SEES THE VALUE OF THAT IF THE CITY CANNOT IMPLEMENT A STORMWATER PROGRAM THAT'S CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
THE STORMWATER PROGRAM IN ATLANTIC BEACH IS ON THE BACKS OF PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT ON THE CITY.
IS THAT A FUTURE MODEL? IT WOULD DEPEND ON OUR ABILITY TO RAISE A LOT OF CAPITAL AND FUND SOME MAJOR PROJECTS TO CHANGE THAT.
SO I AM NOT HERE AS YOUR MAYOR OR AS AN ADVOCATE FOR CHANGES TO CHAPTER 24 TO SAY REPEAL ON SITE RETENTION, BUT THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO DO IT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, AND WE'VE JUST IDENTIFIED SEVERAL THE PERMEABLE PAVERS AND ELIMINATING TRIGGERS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. YES, COMMISSIONER.
JUST TO GO BACK TO THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR ABORTION.
DID YOU SAY THAT WHAT WOULD FIX THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH MAYPORT BUSINESS DISTRICT NEEDING TO CHANGE WOULD BE THE SWITCH OF THE WORDS.
IF YOU ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO DIRECT AMANDA TO PUT CORRIDOR BACK INTO THE LANGUAGE, THEN WE GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE TODAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CHANGES THAT AMANDA HAS PROPOSED IN THE CODE.
AND SO NOW YOU JUST NEED TO GO BACK AND READ THE RED LINING AND COME BACK PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
[02:55:04]
I DO CHOOSE.SO DO I NEED TO SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY? [OVERLAPPING] MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
SO IS THE ASK TO LEAVE THE LANGUAGE THE WAY IT IS NOW? A CORRIDOR LANGUAGE, THE WAY IT IS NOW.
I ASK, CITY MANAGER, WAS THAT THE LAST THREE CHANGES BE REMOVED ENTIRELY UNTIL WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THESE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT HAS HAD A CHANCE.
AND I HAVE ONLY SPOKEN TO TWO, BUT THEY ARE PRETTY BIG ONES, AND THEY OWN A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND THEY'RE NOT FOR THESE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TIME TO MULL THIS OVER AND TO UNDERSTAND, JUST AS WELL AS I UNDERSTAND THE STORM WATER CHANGES TO THE PLAN, AND ALSO TO GIVE THEM A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR INSIGHT AND THEIR INPUT ON THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ASS, BUT THEN MAYOR, YOU SAID THAT WE COULD DO A CHANGE IN THAT.
WELL, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES UNTIL WE PASS SOMETHING, OKAY? SO TODAY WE MAY PASS THE FIRST READING, BUT WE HAVE A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND SO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF MOVING TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER, WHATEVER THIS IS, WITH AMENDMENTS OR WITH CORRECTIONS, WITH CHANGES.
SO WE CAN DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS, LET'S DIRECT, IF YOU'RE NOT IN OBJECTION ON THIS.
LET'S GET CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT CORRIDOR BACK IN THE DEFINITION BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ISOLATING IT TO THAT CORRIDOR THAT IS 100 FEET REMOVED FROM MAYPORT ROAD OR ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO BOTH, CORRECT? SO WHICH IS WHAT WE ALREADY HAD.
NOW THE QUESTION IS THE THINGS LIKE THE ADDITION OF THE WINDOW THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY REQUIRED.
IS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, RIGHT? AND TALK TO AMANDA, CITY MANAGER BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING, AND THEN BRING IT.
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT OR ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDED, THEN MAKE THAT MOTION, AND WE CAN DEBATE IT AND VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK TO US WHAT OBVIOUSLY WE GET BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? THE AMENDED IN A WRITTEN FORM SO WE CAN ANALYZE WHAT WE AMENDED TONIGHT? BECAUSE IF I POP FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WE VERBALLY AMENDED A FEW THINGS.
I CORRECT? WELL, ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS THAT YOU TAKE A VOTE ON DOING THAT, BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THERE IS CONSENSUS ON OR NOT TO DO IT.
I THINK ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTER, WHAT I'M HEARING IS BASICALLY TO REVERT IT BACK TO THE PRE EXISTING CODE.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADMINISTRATION OPACITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH IS THE PLAN OR TALK NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND HOW CLEAR THEY HAVE.
AND ARE WE SEPARATING STORMWATER ISSUES FROM EVERYTHING ELSE? I HEARD THAT PROPOSAL ALSO.
I CERTAINLY DON'T RECOMMEND WE SEPARATE IT BECAUSE I DON'T WISH TO TAKE IT OUT.
WHAT I DO WISH TO DO IS IF THERE'S CONSENSUS TO TAKE A PIECE OUT, THEN LET'S SAY SO.
BUT OTHERWISE, WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE.
WE ALSO HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THE MAILERS.
WE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THE MAILERS.
AND WE DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO THAT.
I APOLOGIZE. I MEANT TO ASK YOU.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE THE COST TO EACH MAILER TO THE COMMUNITY FOR ONE OF THESE CHANGES? YES, THE COSTS APPROXIMATELY $4,000 AND TAKES ABOUT FOUR WEEKS TO PREP AHEAD OF THE MEETING TO GET OUT BECAUSE IT IS A MASSIVE MAILER.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN FLORIDA THAT HAS THAT REQUIREMENT.
WE DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIANCES.
ON THE BOOKS, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.
THAT'S ANYTHING RELATED WITHIN 300 FEET. YOU GET A MAILER.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IT, TWO STATE STATUTES REGARDING PUBLIC NOTICING, WHICH IS POSTED ON OUR BULLETIN BOARD, AND WE WILL BE POSTING ON OUR WEBSITE, AND WE ALSO PUT IN HERE USING OTHER MEANS TO GET IT OUT, SOCIAL MEDIA AND NEWSLETTERS, AS WELL.
THE NEWSLETTERS, AND THEN THE WATER BILL.
WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS IT EXCLUDES VARIANCES, REZONING, WAIVERS, ET CETERA.
BUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD NOT RECEIVE A MAILER? SO FOR EXAMPLE, ANY CHANGE TO A DEFINITION.
IF YOU RECALL BACK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A YEAR AGO, COMMISSION WAS LOOKING AT CHANGING SOMETHING TO DO WITH RVS AND BOATS, THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A MAILER TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO BY REMOVING THAT CAVEAT, WE WOULD JUST USE OUR STANDARD MEANS TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS, AND THEN WE COULD CHANGE THE ANY DEFINITION WITH TWO READS, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS IN CHAPTER 24 WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE MAILER.
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BIIL.YES. SO AMANDA FOR TYPICAL REZONING OR LAND USE CHANGE, WHERE WE'RE CHANGING TITLES ON CHANGING THE ENTITLEMENTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHAT WOULD BE THE NOTICE STANDARDS? SO WE HAVE TO PUT AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
WE ALSO HAVE TO MAIL ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET A LEGAL NOTICE, AND THEN WE ALSO PLACE A SIGN ON THEIR YARD.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE DONE BY CODE.
AND SO THE PIECE THAT WE'RE ASKING TO REMOVE ISN'T REQUIRED BY STATUTE.
IT'S SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO WHEN WE'RE MAKING TEXT CHANGES TO THE CODE, IT DOESN'T APPLY IF WE'RE CHANGING AN ENTITLEMENT.
SO IF YOUR NEIGHBOR WANTS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OR WANTS A VARIANCE, EVERYBODY WITHIN 350 FEET OF THEM IS GOING TO GET A NOTICE, PLUS IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE BAER PLUS THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT STUFF IS STILL GOING TO BE NOTICED THE WAY IT IS ALL THE TIME.
IT'S JUST WHEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE POOLS, THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WON'T GET A POSTCARD SAY, HEY, THE CITY'S GOING TO CHANGE THE PERMEABILITY OF POOLS.
THAT WILL JUST ACCORDING TO STATUTE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT A NOTICE IN THE PAPER.
PLUS WE GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL CHANNELS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO CONTINUE WITH THE PERMEABLE PAVERS AS PRESENTED IN THIS ORDINANCE? I DO, 50% IS A GOOD COMPROMISE.
AND HERE'S WHY NEW TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND INCENTIVIZED.
IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO USE THESE PERVIOUS PAVERS BY AT LEAST 25%.
AND I WOULD LIKE PERSONALLY TO UTILIZE IT IN THE ONSITE STORAGE WATER THAT WE HAVE LIST OUT THERE IN THE DEMONSTRATION WE HAVE IN CITY HALL.
OKAY. SO I'M NOT HEARING ANY OBJECTION.
SO I'LL ASSUME THAT'S CONSENSUS. YES.
IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE CAN COME BACK NEXT MEETING AND AMEND THIS.
I WOULD RATHER AMEND IT THAN AFTER I SEE IT RIGHT.
IF I MAKE A FRIENDLY SUGGESTION.
I THINK A GOOD EXERCISE TO MAYBE TRY TO COVER THE BASES TO BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST ALSO, IF YOU GO HOME AFTER THIS FIRST READING, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND READING AND FINAL HEARING AND HOPEFULLY FINAL ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ITEMS OR THINGS THAT YOU FIND AS YOU MOVE IN TO THE CODES.
CERTAINLY GET WITH STAFF, AND WE CAN PREPARE AN AMENDMENT, EVEN IF IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED TONIGHT, TO BE PREPARED TO MOVE AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
SO DON'T THINK LIKE THE SHIP HAS SAILED AFTER TONIGHT.
ESSENTIALLY HAVING SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITERATIONS READY TO GO SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO MOVE AND NOT HOLD PEOPLE TILL 10:00.
ALL RIGHT. BUT ANYWAYS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A FEW NOW.
SO WE ALREADY KNOW WE'RE ELIMINATING THE TRIGGER FOR 50% VALUE.
AT LEAST TODAY, WE'RE ACCEPTING THE TRIGGER CHANGE FROM 250 SQUARE FEET TO 400.
WE'RE REMOVING THE GRANDFATHERING.
DO WE WANT ACTUALLY, THE POOLS AND THE ARTIFICIAL TURF? LET'S DEAL WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF.
ARTIFICIAL TURF AT 200 INCHES/HOUR SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
I MEAN, I DON'T [OVERLAPPING].
IT DID STAND OUT TO ME, AND I DID ASK BILL ABOUT IT ON FRIDAY, CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, THAT ESSENTIALLY, IN MY MIND, THAT MAKES ARTIFICIAL TURF [OVERLAPPING] UNTENABLE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY ARTIFICIAL TURF IF WE DON'T HAVE 200 INCHES/HOUR.
HEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION, PERHAPS ON THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, WE DON'T REGULATE IT NOW AND WE DO. [OVERLAPPING].
WE COULD JUST PULL IT OUT NOW.
LET'S DO THAT AND WE'LL REVISIT THAT NEXT YEAR, AND I PROMISE I DON'T THINK THE CITIZEN IS STILL HERE, BUT WE'LL REVISIT ANY OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE 200?
>> WELL, THE REQUEST ON THE TRIGGER THAT CURRENTLY REQUIRES ANY INCREASE IN FOOTPRINT OVER 250 OR 250 FEET OR MORE, THAT'S THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH ONSITE STORM WATER RETENTION.
[03:05:05]
>> IT STILL CAN'T GO BEYOND 45%?
>> THAT'S RIGHT, IT STILL CAN'T GO BEYOND 45%.
>> THE BASE DESIGN WAS DESIGNED ON LESS THAN THE EXTRA 400 IS EXCEEDED NOW AND THEY NEED TO MAKE UP FOR IT.
>> I'M SORRY, EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.
>> YOU'VE GOT YOUR LITTLE HOUSE, YOU'VE ADDED 400 FEET.
BUT YOUR LITTLE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD X AMOUNT OF WATER AND NOW WE'RE MAKING IT A LOT BIGGER SO NOW YOU HAVE TO HOLD THAT WATER?
>> NOW, I'M GOING TO LET YOU ANSWER THAT.
>> I THINK THE ATTEMPT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE NUMBER IS, WHETHER IT'S 250 SQUARE FEET OR 400 SQUARE FEET. LET ME BACK UP.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECOMMENDED NO TRIGGER THERE AT ALL.
IN THAT SCENARIO, IF YOU HAD A HOUSE THAT WAS AT 35%, YOU COULD BUILD THE 45% AND NOT HAVE TO BUILD IT.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THERE NEEDS TO BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF WHAT I CALL THE EMIT SOME TRIGGER THAT SAYS, WE'LL LET YOU BUILD THIS MUCH, BUT NO MORE.
UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE AT 35%, YOU CAN BUILD 250 SQUARE FEET AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU BUILD 255, NOW YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SITE STORE.
THE QUESTION, I THINK, IS, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR THAT MINIMUM? OR WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR THE TRIGGER, IS IT 250, IS IT 300, 400? I THINK SAS POINT IS, IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE TO 45%.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME SET FORTH.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE HOMES ARE SOMETHING LESS THAN 45%.
>> IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, WHAT I SEE THE 400 IS JUST GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE FUTURE DECISION AFTER WE DO A STORMWATER STUDY.
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I'M AN OPEN BOOK.
MAYBE WE GO BACK TO TIGHTER THAN WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BUT DEFACTO, IF WE ELIMINATE THE TRIGGER, THEN WE EFFECTIVELY TODAY OR WHEN WE PASS THIS, WILL HAVE ELIMINATED ON SITE STORAGE.
BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LETTING YOU BUILD OVER 45% LOT COVERAGE AND ANYTHING UP TO 45% LOT COVERAGE WOULD NOT TRIGGER ANYTHING, SO WE WOULD HAVE NO FURTHER ON SITE STORAGE AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT, CERTAINLY NOT TODAY AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT THE CITY PUTTING UP WHAT IS NECESSARY TO MANAGE STORM WATER IN OTHER WAYS.
THIS IS TO SOME DEGREE A PLACEHOLDER, BUT LET ME PUNCTUATE THIS, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
WE HAD A GENTLEMAN HERE EITHER AT THE LAST MEETING OR THE PREVIOUS MEETING, A YOUNG MAN WITH A YOUNG FAMILY IN A SMALL HOUSE OVER IN MARSH OAKS, AND HE WAS LAMENTING THE FACT THAT HE WANTED TO PUT IN A ROUGHLY 400 SQUARE FOOT PATIO AND IT WOULD TRIGGER STORM WATER, AND THIS WAS A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR HIM.
BUT WHAT WE HAD WRITTEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THAT IT WOULD IMPACT A HOMEOWNER SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS IS NOT TRUE.
IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO COMPLY WITH OUR ONSITE STORM WATER CODE, BECAUSE YOU NEED AN ENGINEER, YOU NEED A BACK CODE, YOU NEED A CONTRACTOR, YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THE MATERIALS AND SO ON.
IT'S NOT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS.
THIS IS ONEROUS AND IS NOT WHAT WE INTENDED, WHAT WE WANT IS SMART THINGS FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND THAT'S OVERREACH.
BUT WE CAN DEBATE IT LATER ON WHETHER IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. YES.
>> JUST TO REITERATE, IF WE LEAVE IT ALONE AND WAIT FOR THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN TO COME BACK TO US BECAUSE WE'RE TEETERING BETWEEN 250 OR 400.
400 WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, 250 IS WHAT IT IS.
>> THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECOMMENDED NO TRIGGER.
>> THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE THE TRIGGER ALTOGETHER.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY POSITION IS I'M OKAY JUST ROLLING BACK TO THE 400 FOR TODAY FOR NOW.
>> 400 WAS WHAT WE WERE AT IN 2019?
400. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
>> I WANT TO FIND THE BALANCE.
I WANT OUR CITIZENS TO HAVE FAITH IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT IT'S NOT HEAVY HANDED IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER, BUT ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT THERE ARE IMPACTS THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT.
THAT'S ALREADY WHAT WE HAVE, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT.
[03:10:03]
>> I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN FAR TOO MANY EXCEPTIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT FOR US TO EVEN PASS IT ON THE FIRST READING.
BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE FIX EVERYTHING THAT WE DISAGREE ON, IT'S TIME FOR THE SECOND READING AND NOBODY'S HAD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PASSING ANYTHING TONIGHT REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH WE TINKER WITH WHAT WE PUT IN AND TAKE OUT.
THIS IS THE PROCESS AND THIS IS WHY WE STAYED THIS LATE AND STAYED FOCUS ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO A GOOD BILL AT THE END.
I THINK WE SHOULD PASS IT AND I STILL RESPECT THE FACT THAT WE MAY CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE THE NEXT.
>> I KNOW IT TAKES YOU GUYS A WHILE TO WRITE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS.
WHEN DO I HAVE TO HAVE THEM INTO YOU GUYS TO INCORPORATE IT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'D LIKE TO DO THE AGENDA TWO WEEKS OR A WEEK AND A HALF PRIOR.
TELL US WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO YOU GUYS, SO THAT WE COULD PUT THEM IN.
>> THE UPSIDE IS, THIS IS THE FIFTH WEEK, SO WE HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK IN THERE.
KEVIN, WHAT'S THE DATE FOR THE DRAFT AGENDA?
>> PUBLISHED 10 DAYS FROM NOW NEXT.
>> IF WE GOT TO YOU GUYS BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER PUTTING QUARTER BACK INTO THE LANGUAGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON MAYPORT IN ATLANTIC.
>> I RUN THROUGH MY LIST, WOULD YOU DO THAT FOR ME PLEASE.
>> WHAT I HAVE IS LEAVE THE QUARDOR OF CODE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
TAKE OUT THE CHANGES RELATED TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.
KEEP THE 50% CREDIT FOR POOLS AND THEN YOU CAN GET UP TO 75% WITH A 7% WITH A SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD AND PROHIBIT INFINITY POOLS.
THEN THE 50% BUILDING VALUE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE IMPERVIOUS NATURE OF THE SITE COMES OUT AND THEN LEAVE THE CODE AS IT IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED REGARDING THE TRIGGER AT FOUR.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE?
>> WITH THAT JUST STAY AS IT GOES.
>> THAT'S ALREADY IN THE DRAFT THAT'S TAKEN OUT.
>> IF WE'RE AMENDING TO PULL THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE OUT.
>> IT'S ALREADY OUT IN THE DRAFT THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING THERE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
>> MOVED. WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION? YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT. JUST SO MOVED.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH EYE?
THANK YOU ALL. GOOD WORK TONIGHT.
WHERE'S MY AGENDA? WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF BUSINESS.
[Additional Item]
WE HAVE OUR EMERGENCY ADD TO THE AGENDA, AND SO I'LL DO YOU WANT TO READ IT? ARE YOU GOING TO READ IT?>> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CITY MANAGER KILENFO.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR COMMISSION.
I'M GOING TO ASK OUR HR DIRECTOR TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE RESOLUTION.
>> HI, THANKS FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, I KNOW IT'S LATE.
KATHY VARIAN, YOUR HR DIRECTOR.
I COME TO YOU EVERY YEAR FOR RENEWAL OF LIABILITY AND WORKERS' COMP INSURANCE.
WE ARE A LITTLE LATE THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE RENEWAL BROKER WAS ABLE TO COME IN SAME COVERAGE.
WE ANTICIPATED ANYWHERE FROM A 10-25% INCREASE DUE TO MARKET CONDITION.
WE HAD 15% INCREASE BUDGETED, THEY WERE ABLE TO COME IN WITH A 0.05% INCREASE.
ON $1,000,000 POLICY, THAT'S BAG.
BILL'S ALREADY SPENDING THE MONEY, I TELL YOU.
>> SMALL STATER PROJECT. I'M GOING TO WIDEN THE CULVERTS?
>> THIS MUST BE A SIGN OF THE TIME WHERE IT PROVIDES $1 MILLION OF DEADLY WEAPONS PROTECTION.
IS THAT PER PERSON OR PER INCIDENT?
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IT COVERS THIS IS A FABULOUS.WE ADDED CYBER LIABILITY INSURANCE AND THEY HAVE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, GOOD TRAINING.
ANYWAY, I'M THRILLED. THIS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THE RENEWAL OF THESE AND ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE RENEWAL DOCUMENTS.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? IT'S RESOLUTION.
WHAT IS IT? RESOLUTION 2451 AS AN EMERGENCY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2451 AT A EMERGENCY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON IT.
THEY WERE GIVEN A COPY OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN IN, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. HEARING NONE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
WE ARE NOW AFTER [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
>> YES. KEVIN, WOULD YOU MIND BRINGING OUT THE PROJECTOR FOR MY PRESENTATION? JUST JOKING [LAUGHTER].
>> YOU HAVE ME GOING ON THAT ONE.
CLOSING COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER RING.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
>> OH, I LOVE IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WATERS.
>> DID THE LIFE GUARD STATION START GETTING REBUILT TODAY? [BACKGROUND] QUICK QUESTION, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE BEACHES FALLEN HEROES MEMORIAL THAT YOU RIGHT NOW? I GO THROUGH THE PER PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU, BILL. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STORMWATER AND EVERYBODY IS EXPERIENCING IT, MOST OF US.
WE COULD NOT BORROW ENOUGH MONEY TO FIX OUR CITY.
WE COULD BORROW 100 MILLION AND STILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIX EVERYTHING.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO WITH THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE CAN GET AND WE'LL JUST FAIL.
>> COMMISSIONER M, MAYOR, JUST ONE THING.
IF YOUR WIFE'S WEARING HEELS AND THERE'S GRAVEL, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A MAT THAT SHE CAN WALK ACROSS AND NOT HAVE TO GET CAUGHT IN THE GRAVEL? I THINK THAT'S YOUR ISSUE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVICE.
JAGUARS. I'LL GIVE THE FINAL. LET'S SEE.
I HAD SPOKEN TO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I'M GOING TO IMPLORE YOU TO PUT THIS ON THE WEB.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHRONOLOGICAL DELINEAGE OF WHAT HAS GONE ON ON THE REQUEST, THE ACCUMULATION OF GRANT FUNDS FOR THE AQUATIC GARDENS PROJECT, THE PERMITTING, THEN THE CHANGES BECAUSE WE HAD TO BREAK IT UP INTO TWO BIDS AND THEN THE TIME THAT WE DID GOT NO BIDS.
WE NEED TO SHOW THE CITIZENS WHY WE'RE HERE AND STILL DON'T HAVE A PROJECT TIME, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT.
THAT AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY TO THE CITIZENS.
IT'S REALLY NOT A COMPLEX PROJECT, BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I WISH THERE WERE CITIZENS STILL HERE TO HEAR IT.
BUT EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS WHERE SIERRA GRILL IS, IF YOU GO OUT THE BACK END OF THE PARKING LOT AT LA FITNESS, THERE'S A CULVERT THAT YOU DRIVE OVER.
THAT CULVERT IS TOO SMALL AND THE WATER GETS CHOKED AT THAT POINT, CAN'T GET TO THE CULVERT AT ATLANTIC BOULEVARD TO GO THROUGH NEPTUNE BEACH BECAUSE THE CULVERT IS TOO SMALL.
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THAT IS THE ESSENCE OR ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES ON THE AQUATIC GARDENS PROJECT, AND ONCE THAT'S DONE, IT WILL GIVE HUGE RELIEF TO AQUATIC GARDENS AND TO PART CABALLO.THANK YOU. AND AS I'VE BEEN REMINDED, IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE 100%.
THERE MAY STILL IN THE FUTURE BE FLOODING, BUT THAT WILL DO A LOT.
AND I'M JUST SO EXCITED THAT IT'S ALMOST THERE.
BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THE CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY.
>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS OVER.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.