Oct 14, 2024 Commission Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN BEFORE I OPEN THIS MEETING, WE'LL START OFF.

BEFORE I OPEN THIS MEETING, WE'LL START WITH A INVOCATION AND A PLEDGE.

YOU CAN'T HEAR ME.

NOW. OKAY, NOW YOU CAN.

ALL RIGHT.

CREATOR GOD, WE ARE THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE AVOIDED THE WORST OF THE TALMUD FROM THE RECENT STORMS. AND WE SEND, WE LIFT OUR HEARTFELT PRAYERS TO ALL THE COMMUNITIES WHO WERE SO DESTROYED BY THE RECENT STORMS. AND WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH THEM AS THEY PURSUE THIS VERY LONG COURSE OF RESTORATION OF NORMAL LIFE FOR THEM. FOR OURSELVES, GOD, AND BLESS US WITH THE RESOURCES AND THE WISDOM TO PREPARE OUR OWN COMMUNITY IN DEFENSE OF FUTURE STORMS. WITH THE ADVENT OF THE FALL SEASON, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE FALL.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SUNSETS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN. AMEN.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

THIS MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DATED OCTOBER 14TH, 2024 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

I CAN'T HEAR THAT.

IS THAT OKAY? YOU CAN HEAR ME.

OKAY. OKAY. I'LL.

WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

THESE ARE THE MINUTES FROM.

OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND CALL ROLL? SORRY. YES.

EXCUSE ME.

DID. YOU CANNOT HEAR ME? IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOW.

I CAN, SINCE IT'S MY VERY OWN MIC.

I'LL JUST TALK RIGHT INTO IT.

I GOT IT. OKAY.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.

BEFORE I MOVE INTO THE REST OF THE AGENDA WE HAVE ITEM NINE A ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 90-24-253, Public Hearing and Final Reading (Part 1 of 2)]

I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE SHORT ONE COMMISSIONER AND THAT I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN HAVING ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH CITIZENS ABOUT POSSIBLE CHANGES, I WOULD LIKE MORE TIME.

I WOULD LIKE THE FULL COMMISSION TO DEBATE AND DISCUSS THIS BEFORE WE PASS SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET IT RIGHT ON MY END.

FOR EACH OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPACTFUL TO THIS COMMUNITY.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IS A MOTION FROM ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO POSTPONE TO THE 28TH OF OCTOBER THE SECOND READING AND FINAL READING FOR ITEM 9A.

I MOVE, WE POSTPONE THE READING TO 28TH OCTOBER.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

WOULD IT BE A DEBATE AFTER THE SECOND? YES. OKAY.

I SECOND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND ACTUALLY, I NEED TO OPEN UP TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY TWO THINGS.

ONE PACKED INTO THAT WAS ALSO MOVING IT UP IN THE AGENDA BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY PRECEDING PUBLIC COMMENT AND AS A PIGGYBACK TO THAT, I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THE POSTPONEMENT OF THE MATTER.

OKAY. UNDERSTANDING THAT IF IT IS POSTPONED, THERE'S ANOTHER DAY FOR HEARING.

OKAY. SO DO WE NEED TO RESTATE THE MOTION? NO, NO, NO, I THINK IT'S CLEAR.

YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE.

INCLUDED IN THAT IS THE FACT THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP ON THE AGENDA.

SO NOW I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO THE POSTPONEMENT? OKAY, SO, DONNA, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.

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WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO THE MERIT OF ITEM 9A, THE AMENDED CHAPTER 24.

WE'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, IF, IN FACT, WE PASS THE EXTENSION OR THE POSTPONEMENT.

SO BASED ON THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE KEEP OUR REMARKS FOCUSED ON THE REQUEST FOR THE POSTPONEMENT AND LIMIT THOSE REMARKS TO ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.

SO, DONNA, I KNOW PEOPLE SIGNED IN FOR THE ACTUAL 9A.

I THINK IT WAS 9A.

BUT IF YOU'LL JUST CALL OUT ANY NAMES AND WE'LL SEE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT.

CINDY ANDERSON.

YEAH, I THINK HONESTLY, POSTPONEMENT IS A GREAT IDEA IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

I DO WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT IF THIS IS PUBLIC, REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

NO, NO, I'LL STILL GET TO SPEAK AT REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

OKAY, THEN.

YEAH. TO CLARIFY WHAT WAS JUST STATED, WE'LL STILL HAVE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR WHICH WILL COME UP DIRECTLY AFTER THIS ACTION.

LET'S SEE. YES.

YEAH. THE REASON I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS IS BECAUSE I'VE ASKED SOME OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TO COME IN TONIGHT AND DISCUSS THIS.

I THINK I OWE IT TO THEM.

I ALSO THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT ON HERE, I'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THAT I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

SO I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE VOTE IS. YEAH.

ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO.

I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.

OKAY. NOT SURE, LISA HARRELL.

SO I KIND OF AGREE WITH BRUCE BOLE THAT STAFF IS HERE AND WE'RE HERE AND I'M HERE FOR THIS.

SO I'D KIND OF LIKE TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY AND WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT ACTION WE WOULD TAKE.

CAROL SCHWARTZ.

HELLO. I'D LIKE TO VOTE TONIGHT.

WE CAME HERE WITH THAT THOUGHT, AND NOW WE HAVE A COMMISSION FOR THE MOST PART HERE, AND THERE COULD BE A MAJORITY, AM I RIGHT? IF YOU VOTE? NO, THERE COULD BE A MAJORITY.

AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE.

OKAY, BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS HERE TO MAKE A VOTE.

WE CAN TAKE ACTION.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. MITCH REEVES.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A POINT OF ORDER OF THE RULES A LITTLE BIT, JUST TO CLEAR ME UP ABOUT THIS.

I SUPPORT YOU DO POSTPONE IT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE INVOLVED.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOU'VE ADVERTISED THAT YOU'VE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, THE SECOND ONE.

SO THEREFORE IN MY CORRECT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IT.

AND BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED AND THEN NOT CLOSE IT, BUT JUST LEAVE IT OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT DAY THAT YOU HAVE IT.

I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT? SURE. I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.

I THINK WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS THE IDEA OF POSTPONING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT PASSES ARE NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE, IS YOU'VE OPENED IT UP TO SPEAK TO THE POSTPONEMENT ITSELF. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING EITHER TONIGHT.

IF WE DO HEAR IT IN THIS POSTPONEMENT FAILS, OR IN TWO WEEKS WHEN IT'S POSTPONED.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT.

IT COULD BE IN TWO WEEKS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. STEVE FOURAKER.

THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE.

OTHER THAN IF DOLLY MCCORMICK WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS POSTPONEMENT.

WELL. I HAVE YOU SPEAKING AT COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS.

OKAY, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT, I'LL SAY YES.

POSTPONE IT. YEAH.

IF YOU'RE NOT SURE OF IT, THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'LL COME BACK TO COMMISSIONERS AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR CONVERSATION.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME KIND OF RESTATE WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I'M ASKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

I'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD DIALOG WITH CITIZENS THIS WEEK.

I WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE SEARCHING AND DISCOVERY MYSELF ON SEVERAL THINGS, LIKE OUR 75% POOL

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SO I'D LIKE THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU SPEND MONTHS.

AND I KNOW OUR CITY STAFF HAS SPENT MANY, MANY MONTHS WORKING ON CHANGES TO THIS CODE, AND WE'RE MISSING ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS.

THERE'S NO REASON WE HAVE TO RUSH.

AND THIS IS WE'RE NOW IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS OF THIS COMMISSIONER'S TENURE ON THIS COMMISSION.

SO I THINK, OUT OF RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER WATERS, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE THIS, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP.

YES. ONE OTHER QUICK THING.

EVERY TWO WEEKS WE MOVE HERE, WE GET CLOSER TO OUR STORM WATER REPORT AND WE SPEND $800,000.

AND ONE OF THE IDEAS I THINK I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME WAS WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY AND PUT THAT PART OF THE RFP AND HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, THE SCIENTIST, I GUESS YOU CALL THEM, YOU KNOW, COMMENT ON THAT.

SO I JUST I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWN THE ROAD ALSO.

SURE. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. HONESTLY, I'M EXASPERATED ON THIS TOPIC.

I KNOW EXACTLY HOW I WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT AND NOTHING I THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

COMMISSIONER. WELL, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T HAPPY WITH IT LAST TIME, SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MORE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.

OKAY. I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THAT WE'LL VOTE AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON BASED ON THAT VOTE.

SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO MOVE OR TO POSTPONE THIS TO OCTOBER 28TH, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED.

NAY. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A SPLIT VOTE.

THAT MEANS THAT THE MOTION FAILS AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR 9A TONIGHT.

OKAY. MOVING ALONG.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

DOLLY MCCORMICK.

HI, I'M DOLLY MCCORMICK.

I'M SORRY I MISSED LAST MEETING, BUT I WAS SICK, SO I THOUGHT I'D COME TO THIS MEETING.

MAINLY TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING THE PUMP BY THE POND AND PUMPING IT DOWN REGULARLY THROUGH ALL THESE STORMS. IT HAS MEANT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH REGARDS TO GETTING WATER IN OUR HOUSE AND ALL.

AND I KNOW I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, ALTHOUGH I EVACUATED WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WHEN I WASN'T HERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW.

AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT NOW, BUT THIS IS MY QUESTION.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE CULVERT AND THE DITCH, THE DIGGING, THE DITCH WORK IS GOING TO START, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR AREA? VERY MUCH SO. SO THAT'S ALL I'M HERE FOR.

THANK YOU, MISS MCCORMICK.

THANK YOU. CINDY ANDERSON.

FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY WORKERS WHO'VE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS CODE.

I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT.

I KNOW A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO DEFINITIONS AND TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO TALK TO ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THAT CODE.

I'M JUST GOING TO STICK WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WANT TO REITERATE MY OPPOSITION TO CHANGING THE PERMEABILITY FOR THE POOL.

AND I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THE REASONS WHY THE PERMEABLE INTERLOCKING PAVERS AS DEFINED ARE A BAD IDEA.

AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T BE PERMEABLE.

THEY CAN BE. THEY ARE.

THERE ARE PERMEABLE PAVERS.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE CONCEAL THEM AND THEY CONCEAL THEM AT ANY TIME THEY WANT, AND THEN THEY'RE NO LONGER PERMEABLE.

AND YOU GO FROM A SITUATION AND I'VE HAD I HAD WHILE AS A COMMISSIONER, I HAD PEOPLE SENDING ME PICTURES OF YARDS THAT WERE ALL PAVER.

AND IF THOSE PEOPLE WITH THOSE YARDS THAT HAD ALL PAVER SEALED THEM, THEY WERE NOW 100% YARD IMPERMEABLE,

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SO IT'S A BAD, BAD IDEA AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE IT OUT AND THEN LASTLY AND THAT'S ON THAT'S ON THE DEFINITIONS IN PAGE 22. LASTLY, ON SECTION 2451, WHICH IS ON PAGE 41 OF THE 218 PAGES THAT ARE ONLINE IS THE DEFINITIONS OR THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTICE, AND THE CITY RIGHTFULLY DECIDED THAT IT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE TO SEND OUT.

IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO SEND OUT NOTICES FOR LAND CODE CHANGES, I AGREE ENTIRELY.

I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS YOU'VE GOT TWO SHELL NOTICES.

ONE IS POST OUT FRONT.

SO FOR PEOPLE WHO RIDE BY CITY HALL, THEY WILL SEE THAT.

AND THE SECOND IS THE WEBSITE WHICH WILL BE POSTED.

AND THERE'S AND IF PEOPLE GO TO THE WEBSITE THEY'LL SEE IT.

BUT LET'S BE REAL, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T DRIVE BY HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR I DO, BUT NOT EVERYBODY DOES.

AND SECONDLY, THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE WEBSITE.

WHAT THEY DO LOOK AT ARE SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE POSTS THAT GO OUT IN AND EMAILS.

WHAT THEY DO LOOK AT ARE THE NEWSLETTERS.

AND SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN SUBSECTION D IS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE NEWSLETTERS SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING SHALL NOTIFY ON THERE YOU PUT MAY NOTIFY THERE.

AND IF YOU MAY NOTIFY ON THERE, THAT MEANS YOU COULD NOT NOTIFY ON THERE.

I CANNOT BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

ONE WAY YOU COULD DO IT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE CITY IS TO SAY WE HAVE THAT.

THE CITY ALSO HAS NEWSLETTER, SOCIAL MEDIA, BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THAT SHALL BE ON ANY OF THOSE, ANY ONE OF THOSE. SO THAT WAY YOU GIVE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, WHOEVER'S HAVING TO MAKE SURE THE NOTICES GO OUT, THE OPTION OF PICKING THE NEWSLETTER OR THE SOCIAL MEDIA OR WHATEVER OTHER ORGANS ARE LISTED IN SUBSECTION D AND ON PAGE 41.

AND THAT WAY YOU MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING IT IN A WAY THAT THEY TRULY WILL SEE IT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT.

SO YOU REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO GIVE ALTERNATIVES UNDER D AND MAKE IT A SHALL INSTEAD OF A MAY.

OKAY. GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

LISA HAROLD.

LISA HAROLD. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.

I FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AND CITY STAFF FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND COMMUNICATION DURING THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, WERE FULL OF INFORMATION AND RESOURCES AND LINKS TO OTHER VERY HELPFUL THINGS.

SO WHOEVER DOES OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THANK YOU.

A BIG THANKS TO THEM.

TO THEM, THE OTHER THING IS, I'M UP HERE.

I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

YOU KNOW WHAT MY VIEWS ARE ABOUT? GREEN SPACE AND TREES AND LAND USE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

SO I'M HERE TO URGE YOU, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN THE 50% RATIO FOR POOLS WAS INSTITUTED, IT WAS A COMPROMISE. IT WAS A COMPROMISE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ONE SIDE THAT WANTS 100% AND ONE SIDE THAT WANTS ZERO.

AND SO HERE IN THE CITY, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY, THE COLLECTIVE RESIDENTS HERE.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO BALANCE WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT A PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR RIGHTS, BUT IT AFFECTS THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS.

AND DOES IT ADVERSELY AFFECT THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS.

SO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE IN ALL THINGS.

THANKS. THANK YOU, CAROL SCHWARTZ. HI.

I'VE LIVED HERE 40 YEARS.

THAT QUALIFIES ME AS A FLORIDIAN.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THE CHANGES FOR THE SAKE OF NOT ALLOWING LARGER BUILDING.

WE'VE BEEN ASKING YOU FOR MONTHS TO KEEP THIS IN MIND AS YOU VOTE AND MAKE PLANS.

NO EXTRA CONCRETE.

I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE DEPENDING ON OUR COMMISSION TO STOP ADDING MORE ALLOWABLE BUILDING SPACE.

NO EXTRA CONCRETE.

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WHY WOULD YOU ALLOW LARGER BUILDING THAT HARMS THE REST OF ATLANTIC BEACH? YOUR DUTY AS COMMISSIONERS IS TO PROTECT US, THE RESIDENTS, AND NOT BUILD UP THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

STEVE FOURACRE.

AND I FORGOT MY GLASSES.

OKAY. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.

OFTEN WHEN I WATCH.

AND THIS REALLY APPLIES TO.

I MEAN, I'VE THOUGHT THIS FOR YEARS, SO IT DOESN'T APPLY NECESSARILY TO THIS CURRENT COMMISSION.

IT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR SOME TIME OVER SUCCESSIVE COMMISSIONS.

I OFTEN WATCH WHEN COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE NOT, IN MY OPINION, BEING CARRIED OUT THE WAY THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS STRUCTURED.

WE HAVE A, THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THAT'S A CITY MANAGER, A COMMISSION CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WITH EACH COMMISSIONER ALLOWED ONE VOTE EACH.

DON'T FORGET THAT THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER HAS NO ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES THAT I'M AWARE OF OTHER THAN RUNNING THE MEETINGS.

THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER DOESN'T EVEN SET THE AGENDA.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M NOT SURE YOU GUYS AND THE COMMISSION SUCCESSIVELY REALLY GET IT AT ANY TIME.

IF ONE OF YOU FEELS THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER IS CONTROLLING THE DISCUSSION RATHER THAN LEADING THE DISCUSSION, OR IF YOU FEEL ONE OF YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS EXCESSIVELY GRILLING A CITY EMPLOYEE, OR IF YOU FEEL A SPEAKER IS TREATING YOU OR OUR STAFF WITHOUT DUE RESPECT, THEN IN MY OPINION, AS A VOTER CITIZEN TAXPAYER, IT WOULD BE TIME FOR ONE OF YOU, INCLUDING THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER, TO SAY, WHOA, LET'S SIMMER DOWN.

AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU HAVE EQUAL POWER.

WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WANT THE MAYOR OR THE MAYOR CAME TO EVALUATE A SITUATION, I'M KIND OF AMAZED.

OF COURSE I'M HAPPY FOR THAT BECAUSE WHOEVER THAT MAYOR IS IS INVOLVED.

BUT I THINK WE ELECT ALL OF YOU TO BE INVOLVED AND ENGAGED WITH OUR CITIZENRY AND EQUALLY ON ALL SUBSTANTIATIVE, WHATEVER.

HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT WORD MATTERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FOURAKER. YES.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE, MAYOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

DID WE MISS ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, THEN I'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, AND WE'LL MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

SO 3A AND THERE IS A 3B THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

THREE A IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

I'LL POINT OUT THAT ON OCTOBER 19TH AT 10 A.M.

AT ADELE GRAY'S, WE HAVE A TOWN HALL.

THERE'S NO PARTICULAR SUBJECT.

THAT IS A TRUE TOWN HALL.

SO WHATEVER ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT.

ALSO ON OCTOBER 19TH AT 4 P.M.

AT JACK RUSSELL, WE HAVE FAMILY FUN DAY AND CAMP OUT.

ON NOVEMBER 11TH AT 9 A.M., WE HAVE VETERANS PARK.

AT VETERANS PARK, WE HAVE THE VETERANS DAY CEREMONY ON NOVEMBER 16TH AT 3 P.M.

WE HAVE THE IN JOHANSEN PARK, WE HAVE THE MUSIC ATLANTIC BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL, AND THEN NOVEMBER 28TH AND 29TH IS A THANKSGIVING AND THE CITY WILL BE CLOSED AS WELL AS NOVEMBER 11TH.

AND I'LL SAVE DECEMBER FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, MR. MAYOR. WITH THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVING YOUR 90 DAY CALENDAR.

YES, COMMISSIONER.

WHEN HAVE WE SCHEDULED THE COMMITTEE RECEPTION? BOARD MEMBER. RECEPTION? THAT IS NOVEMBER 6TH IS THE WORKING DATE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

MR. [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR?

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THANK YOU. AND THEN FOR 3B, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. SO I HAVE DATES FOR NEXT YEAR'S TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT THEM OUT AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY TAKERS FOR THEM.

SATURDAY, JANUARY 25TH.

SATURDAY, APRIL 19TH.

SATURDAY, JULY 19TH AND SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18TH.

SO IF THOSE DATES ARE GOOD WITH EVERYBODY, THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS GOING FORWARD ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, THEY'LL BE ON EACH 90 DAY CALENDAR JUST AS KIND OF A CONSTANT REMINDER.

PROBABLY LIKE UP IN EITHER THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OR DOWN IN A FOOTER.

SO IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THOSE DATES AND I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

SORRY I MISSED THE SPRING ONE.

WHAT IS THAT DATE? THE APRIL DATE IS AN APRIL 19TH, 1913.

COULD I GET BACK TO YOU ON THOSE DATES? YOU CAN, BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW THAT ONE WON'T WORK.

ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN JUST SETTLE IT BY THE NEXT ONE, THEN I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS PLACE IS PRETTY DESERTED IN IN JULY.

YOU KNOW, ONCE PEOPLE COME BACK AND SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME.

YEAH. I THINK THE CHALLENGE, THOUGH, IS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM QUARTERLY.

AND SO IT KIND OF LIMITS OUR TIME FRAME.

I MEAN, WE CAN I DON'T KNOW IF JUNE OR AUGUST IS ANY BETTER.

AUGUST PEOPLE ARE BACK.

I MEAN, ALL RIGHT.

WELL I WILL IF EACH OF YOU CAN TEXT ME WHATEVER DATES DON'T WORK AND PROPOSE A NEW DATE, WE'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH A ROUND OF NEW DATES FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL START POSTING THEM ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

OKAY WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR? ALL RIGHT. NO THANK YOU.

OKAY. ITEM FOUR REPORTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL STAFF, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC WORKS BILL KILLINGSWORTH AND DEREK MARTIN, SCOTT WILLIAMS, PUBLIC UTILITIES CHIEF VICK AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR FANTASTIC JOB WITH HURRICANE MILTON.

JUST PRECEDED BY HURRICANE HELENE.

AND I ESPECIALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE BEFORE HELENE HIT, WE HAD THREE STRAIGHT WEEKS OF RAIN.

AND THIS CREW HAVE BEEN OUT THERE WORKING OVERTIME, WEEKENDS, NIGHTS, AND I'M SURE JUST ABSOLUTELY DEPLETED. A LOT OF THEM, I DON'T THINK, GOT TO CLEAN UP THEIR OWN YARDS BECAUSE THEY SPENT SO MUCH TIME CLEANING UP OURS.

SO KUDOS TO THEM.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH.

I JUST I WAS GOING TO MENTION A FEW THINGS.

COMMISSIONER RING. BUT I WAS IMPRESSED THAT WE WERE FORWARD LOOKING ON THE LAWN TRASH.

WE STILL HAD A LOT OF LAWN TRASH LEFT OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS STORM.

AND I KNOW KEVIN AND I AND YOU GUYS HIRED SOME EXTRA TO GO IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CLEANED OUT.

I DROVE AROUND ON MY BIKE AND TRIED TO LOOK AND ALSO THE PUMPING.

I THINK THEY WERE RIGHT ON WITH THAT.

SO I WON'T GO ON AND ON, BUT THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

THANKS. YES, THANKS.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

WELL, YOU STOLE MY THUNDER BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY THEY WERE PRETTY AMAZING AND I HOPE THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN REWARD THEM WITH SOME KIND OF COMPENSATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THEY PUT IN.

THEY WERE FABULOUS.

AND I THINK WHAT WE LEARNED FROM WATCHING IS WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO EVACUATE, GET GOING EARLY AND BUY GAS BEFORE YOU GO.

IT'S THAT IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM OVER IN TAMPA.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO USE MY REPORTING TO READ A PROCLAMATION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IN RECOGNITION OF FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.

WHEREAS CITY GOVERNMENT IS THE GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO MOST CITIZENS AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST DIRECT DAILY IMPACT UPON ITS RESIDENTS.

AND WHEREAS AS A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PROVIDES SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS.

AND WHEREAS CITY GOVERNMENT IS ADMINISTERED FOR AND BY ITS CITIZENS AND DEPENDS ON PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO AND UNDERSTANDING OF ITS MANY RESPONSIBILITIES, AND WHEREAS CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES SHARE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENHANCE CITIZENS UNDERSTANDING OF PUBLIC SERVICES AND THEIR BENEFITS.

FLORIDA GOVERNMENT FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK OF FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES INITIATIVE OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY

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AND WHEREAS, DURING THIS YEAR'S FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK, ATLANTIC BEACH WILL ENGAGE CITIZENS IN ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO TEACH THEM ABOUT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

THESE EFFORTS SERVE THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S COMMITMENT TO FOSTERING A WELL INFORMED, INVOLVED PUBLIC, WHICH IS INTEGRAL TO OUR SHARED MISSION OF AN EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT WORKING FOR ITS PEOPLE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, CURTIS FORD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 21ST THROUGH 27TH, 2024 AS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS, CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND EMPLOYEES TO ASSIST IN EFFORTS THAT RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WITNESS WHERE FORE I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE OFFICIAL SEAL OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE AFFIXED THIS 14TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2024.

AND TO BACK THIS UP, I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO 50 GIRL SCOUTS THIS WEEK AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT HOW THE CITY RUNS AND WHAT A MAYOR DOES.

SO THAT'S MY REPORT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SEVEN A, WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

[7.A. Environmental Stewardship Committee (ESC)]

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK AND THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS SARAH BOURNE. I LIVE ON EIGHTH STREET IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH, AND I SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THE ESC AND HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SHARE A REPORT TONIGHT.

AM I CLICKING? EITHER WAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE SEC IS CHARGED TO STUDY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON TREES, PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, BEAUTIFICATION, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

WE'RE ALSO TASKED TO BE A MOTIVATING AND COORDINATING BODY AND TO RESPOND TO REQUESTS FROM YOU ALL, AS WELL AS STAFF.

SO TODAY'S AGENDA IS GOING TO BE SHORT AND SWEET.

GO AHEAD AND NEXT SLIDE.

YEAH. SO WE HAD ABOUT FOUR MEETINGS POSTPONED OR CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE STORM.

SO AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY KIND OF SHORT REPORT.

BUT I WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE FOR THIS KIND OF LAST QUARTER IN 2024.

AND WHAT WE'RE UP TO AND WHAT'S COMING YOUR WAY.

AND THEN TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE HOPES FOR 2025.

SO WE ARE KIND OF READY TO BRING CHAPTER 23 RECOMMENDED REVISIONS TO YOU ALL.

WE'RE WAITING FOR 24 TO CLEAR YOUR DAIS AS WELL AS THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU WITH CHAPTER 2023.

WE ARE UPDATING OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN, AND WE HOPE TO COME TO THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE OUR INAUGURAL AWARDS EVENT ON DECEMBER 4TH AND YOU'RE ALL INVITED.

IT WILL BE AT ADELE GRANGE.

UNLESS WE NEED A BIGGER SPACE, WHICH THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.

WE HAD PLANNED TO DO A COMMUNITY INPUT MEETING ON RIGHT AFTER YOUR TOWN HALL MEETING, OCTOBER 19TH, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO PIGGYBACK.

BUT BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS WERE CANCELED, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF PLAN FOR THAT.

SO THAT WILL BE RESCHEDULED.

BUT THE IDEA ON THAT IS TO SEEK COMMUNITY INPUT ON OUR 2025 PRIORITIES, WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS US TO FOCUS ON, AND THEN ALSO FEEDBACK ON THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN UPDATE.

WE ARE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD ON AN EDIBLE ORCHARD AND GARDEN.

WE DO HAVE A FOOD DESERT IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND SO THIS IS OUR KIND OF FIRST ATTEMPT TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT AND ALSO KIND OF PROMOTE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT KINDS OF TREES, AND ACCESSIBILITY TO FOOD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FAR SIDE OF JACK RUSSELL PARK ALONG THE PATHWAY.

IT'S ALREADY GOT WATER.

AND ONE OF OUR ESC MEMBERS, HEATHER MCKAY.

MCKAY IS WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT.

SO WE'RE EXCITED. WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT PLANTED THIS WINTER, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST TIMING AND STUFF.

CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING IN WHAT'S CALLED A NORTHEAST FLORIDA METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA LARGE COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

IT'S A THANKS TO A EPA GRANT FROM FEDERAL DOLLARS.

I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR COMING OUT TO THE KICKOFF.

AND WE HAD ABOUT 110 PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE REGION SHOW UP AND GIVE IDEAS OF WHAT EACH SECTOR LIKE ENERGY SECTOR OR INDUSTRIAL SECTOR OR BUILDING SECTOR, TRANSPORTATION,

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SO CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS THOUGHT OF AS A LEADER IN THIS ARENA.

AND SO IT'S GREAT TO KIND OF HAVE THAT SEAT AT THE TABLE.

I ALSO WANT TO SHARE THAT OUR HANDS ON WORKSHOP SERIES IS GOING WELL.

WE'VE HAD ONE ON HOW TO COMPOST.

WE RECENTLY HAD ONE ON EDIBLE GARDEN, AND ON NOVEMBER 7TH WE'RE HAVING A MASTER ARBORIST COME ON HOW TO CARE FOR TREES AND HOW TO PICK AN ARBORIST. AND THEN JUST ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE ARE STILL TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR ADOPT A TREE PROGRAM FOR THIS FALL PLANTING.

NEXT SLIDE. SO HOPES FOR 2025.

YOU KNOW SC HAS A KIND OF HAS DOES TRIES TO DO A LOT AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE EVEN MORE PROACTIVE AND OVERT SUPPORT OF ITS MISSION AND EFFORTS.

AND SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT PROACTIVE SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN IN COMMISSION PRIORITIES.

SO OUR WORK ARCS MANY YEARS IN SOME CASES IT'S MULTI-GENERATIONAL.

SO WE ARE TO USE LINDA LANIER'S TERMS, WE ARE CONSTANTLY BUILDING CATHEDRALS.

RIGHT. AND WE NEED KIND OF CONSISTENT SUPPORT.

AND WHEN YOU GUYS KIND OF MAKE IT A PRIORITY, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN THAT DIRECT STAFF AND, AND RESOURCES.

SO THAT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS HELP.

ALSO SERVING AS KIND OF AMBASSADORS FOR SC JUST IN GENERAL AND OUT INTO THE PUBLIC AND KIND OF WHAT WE DO, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE HELP.

AND THEN I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE USED THE WORD BUDGET, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

WE'RE ASKING KIND OF FUNDING FOR OUR KIND OF PRIORITIES, AND IT'S NOT OUR BUDGET, BUT IT'S LIKE FUNDING CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS TO HELP US ACHIEVE WHAT'S KIND OF THE OVERALL LIKE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

SO OR SORRY, THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN.

SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF KIND OF PROACTIVE SUPPORT.

WE ARE HOPING TO GET DEEPER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN MULTIPLE WAYS.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL AVENUES IN THAT REALM.

AND THEN KIND OF INCORPORATING THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN INTO WORK PLANS IN THE CITY, KIND OF OPERATIONALIZING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT TAKES MANY YEARS TO KIND OF BUILD RESILIENCE RIGHT IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OR SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HOPES FOR 2025 AND THAT'S IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE SHORTEST PRESENTATION YOU'VE EVER HAD FROM ME.

BUT WE ARE HOPING TO COME BACK LATER THIS YEAR AND GIVE YOU A MUCH MORE DEEPER.

WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO ALL THE PREP.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU, MISS BOYD.

OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT, A RESOLUTION.

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-52]

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AGAIN, GOOD EVENING TO THE COMMISSION.

I'M GOING TO INVITE THE CHAIR OF ART, LISA GOODRICH, AND OUR DEPUTY CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, KEVIN HOGENCAMP.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY, ONE OR THE OTHER, PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION.

HELLO, I'M LISA GOODRICH, THE CHAIR OF ARC.

OUR BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE THE GRANT.

GRANT SEASON WITH 22 APPLICANTS TOTALING $124,000 IN REQUESTS AND A $75,000 BUDGET.

ON AUGUST 30TH, WE HAD HELD ALL DAY AND ALL DAY EVENT FOR INTERVIEWS WITH EACH APPLICANT, AND AS A COMMITTEE, WE INDIVIDUALLY SCORED THEM, AND THEN WE NEGOTIATED WITH EACH OTHER AND UNANIMOUSLY AGREED ON THE FUNDING AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF SUCH.

I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT DURING OUR INTERVIEW PROCESS, WE MADE SPECIAL NOTES OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT COULD OFFER INTERESTING ADULT PROGRAMING AT MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER WHEN IT COMES ONLINE.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME FUN THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT SPACE.

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WE KIND OF GET A LITTLE BETTER AT THIS.

IT WAS A GREAT PROCESS.

IF YOU DIDN'T GET TO WATCH ALL OF IT ALL DAY I INVITE YOU TO KIND OF TUNE IN A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, BUT IT WAS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL PROCESS AND WE'RE FINE TUNED.

WE ALREADY HAVE OUR CALENDAR SET FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

AND WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL LOOK FAVORABLY ON THAT RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE FUNDING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

ARE YOU FINDING THAT YOU'RE HAVING MORE PROGRAMS APPLY FOR THE GRANT THAN PREVIOUS YEARS.

ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME ALLOCATING OUT THE FUNDS YOU RUN OUT? WE DO RUN OUT, AND WE ARE HAVING MORE APPLICANTS.

AND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEN WE OPENED IT UP TO NOT JUST NOT NON-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, I THINK THAT KIND OF SPURRED SOME INTERESTING APPLICANTS.

WE'VE HAD ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST COAST COMEDY IS A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS ON MAYPORT ROAD, AND THEY HOST THEY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS TO TEACH THEM IMPROV.

AND IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

LAST YEAR WAS THEIR FIRST YEAR. THEY REAPPLIED, AND WE RECOMMEND THEY BE AWARDED FULL FUNDING AGAIN THIS YEAR.

AND I ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY DURING THEIR INTERVIEW IF IT WAS IF THIS HAS BENEFITED THEIR BUSINESS TO BE A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'VE SEEN DEFINITELY AN UPTICK IN ATTENDANCE AT THEIR SHOWS AND THE PARENTS OF THESE KIDS.

AND SO NOW PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE THERE AND IT'S BEEN A GOOD IT'S BEEN A GOOD THING.

SO YES, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF INNOVATIVE APPLICANTS AND IT GROWS EVERY YEAR.

SO IT'S GREAT. SO WITH THE NEW PROPOSED MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GIVEN A NAME TO IT YET, BUT WE'RE OR AT LEAST I AM HOPING THAT IT WILL BE OUR ADULT OR SENIOR CENTER.

AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, VETERANS.

SO DO YOU HAVE PROGRAMS IN MIND ALREADY THAT ARE RECEIVING THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, OR WOULD YOU THINK MORE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY? BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A THIRD COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND WHEN WE WHEN THAT CENTER COMES ONLINE AND IT'S READY TO ACCEPT PROGRAMING, I THINK WE COULD GO BACK TO THIS LIST OF ALL THE APPLICANTS, WHERE THEY MENTIONED SOME UNIQUE PROGRAMING THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY BENEFIT ADULTS IN THAT SPACE, THEN I THINK WE CAN RELY ON THAT, BUT WE'LL ADVERTISE WHEN WE ANNOUNCE THE NEXT RFP.

IF THE CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE IN JUNE OF 2025.

SO IF THE CENTER IS READY AT THAT TIME, WE CAN MAKE SPECIAL NOTE THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR PROGRAMING THAT TARGETS THAT AUDIENCE.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU LISA.

YOU'RE WELCOME. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE GREAT WORK YOU GUYS DO.

AND JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

AREN'T ALL MIDDLE SCHOOLERS IMPROV? I MEAN, TOTALLY, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WASN'T RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. THIS REALLY HELPS THEM GET OUT OF THEIR SHELL AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET PAST SOME SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS.

IT'S REALLY A NEAT.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE PARENTS WHO HAVE TO DRESS UP.

POSSIBLY. SO JUST I SAW TWO DIFFERENT THEATER GROUPS.

THEY HAVE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PROCESSES.

THEY DO.

YEAH. THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD WHEN I READ ALL THE.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF THEATER, BUT EVERYTHING IS SO WELL ATTENDED.

I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S AN AUDIENCE, PARDON THE PUN, FOR IT.

WITH THOSE TWO GROUPS APPLYING, ONE OF THEM IS APEX, AND THEY ARE APPLYING TO HOST THEATER IN THE PARK ON TWO DAYS AND ALSO THREE SHOWS AT ADEL GRANGE.

SO THAT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING INSIDE AN AIR CONDITIONING AND THEN LUMEN REPERTORY THEATER IS WORKING.

ALREADY CONTACTED THE SCHOOLS.

BY THE TIME WE GOT TO OUR INTERVIEW PROCESS, HE'LL BE WORKING WITH ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, MAYPORT AND FLETCHER TO DO A THEATER KIND OF CAMP WITH THEM.

SO THEY WERE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

AND I THOUGHT THAT THEY HANDLED THAT WELL.

I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I'M JUST WONDERING.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE UNTIL THE ONE THAT WE RUN AT ADELE GRANGE.

THE CITY RUN ONE FIRST.

YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S.

YEAH, THAT IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE ONE.

JUST FOR CHILDREN ASKED FOR MONEY OR WE KNOW WE HAVE WE ASK HER EVERY YEAR IF SHE'D LIKE TO APPLY AND SHE DECLINES, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SIMPLIFIED OUR PROCESS SO MUCH SHE

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SHE'S REALLY COOL. YEAH.

SHE'S GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS GOODRICH.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS A LONG DAY.

IT WAS AND IT MAKES ME FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY IN THE RIGHT PLACES.

THANK YOU. AND WE ARE.

I FEEL CONFIDENT, TOO. THANKS.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FOR MR. HOGENCAMP? KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

ONLY THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION.

THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24, - 52.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2452.

SECOND. OKAY.

MOTION BY BOLE AND SECONDED BY RING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT B RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-53.

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-53]

CITY COMMISSION TO ADOPT A VISION ZERO POLICY AND SETTING THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ELIMINATING ALL TRAFFIC DEATHS AND SERIOUS INJURIES IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE WE APPROVE.

RESOLUTION NUMBER 24, - 53.

SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND CONVERSATION.

I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR WOULD IT BE AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING OR CITY MANAGER? I'M NOT SURE. YOU'RE ASKED THE QUESTION, I WILL.

OH ARE WE GOING TO WORK IN SYNONYMOUSLY WITH FDOT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? YOU KNOW, FOR THIS SORT OF VISIONARY PLAN, I KNOW E-BIKES HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD.

WE'VE DISCUSSED IT MULTIPLE TIMES.

IS THIS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, CREATING THAT TRAFFIC RELATED FATALITIES? ARE WE LOOKING AT SAFER WALKS OR SIDEWALKS AND FOR PEDESTRIANS AND WAYS OF MAKING THINGS SAFER? WHAT ALL DOES THIS PLAN ENCOMPASS? YEAH, IN TERMS OF LIKE FDOT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER ENTITIES.

SO THE PLAN IS THAT THE STAFF COMMITTEE WILL TRANSITION INTO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE OUR CONSULTANTS AND FDOT AND RPD AND OTHER ENTITIES WILL BE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CONSULTANTS AND TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. YEAH.

SO DOES THIS COST MONEY? THIS IS THE WE GOT A GRANT TO DO THIS.

THE SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL.

THAT'S PART OF A FEDERAL GRANT SYSTEM.

THIS IS DOING THIS PLAN MAKES IT MAKES OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS IN THE FUTURE AVAILABLE TO US FOR IMPLEMENTATION.

OKAY. OKAY.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 24-54]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, REQUESTING THAT DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS RECONFIGURE THE ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ATTENDANCE ZONE TO INCLUDE ALL RESIDENCES IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU.

SEVERAL COMMISSION MEETINGS BACK TO THE COMMISSION BY CONSENSUS, ASKED US TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE ALL OF ATLANTIC BEACH IN THE ATTENDANCE ZONE FOR ABBY.

SO THIS IS THAT RESOLUTION.

I THINK THE WHEREAS CLAUSE PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT.

WE WANT ALL OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE A ATTENDANCE ZONE FOR ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

SO I GUESS WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION 2454.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2454.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR CONVERSATION.

I'LL GO AHEAD.

SO SEPTEMBER I WENT AND SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BOARD MEETING THAT WAS HELD.

I SPOKE AS A PARENT.

I SPOKE AS A CHILD LIVING WEST OF MAYPORT WHO WAS ZONED FOR NEPTUNE BEACH.

ALTHOUGH I WAS AN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT, AND I SHARED WITH THEM MY THOUGHTS.

I KNOW IT'S INCLUDED.

THE EMAIL FOLLOW UP IS INCLUDED IN OUR AGENDA TONIGHT AS WELL.

WHAT I HAD TO SHARE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND SUPERINTENDENT.

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SO THAT WAS I WAS ONE VOICE.

BUT NOW TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION, AS A CITY THAT WE SHARE COLLECTIVELY OUR MOTIVATION, OUR DRIVE AND OUR REASONING BEHIND THE REZONING OF ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

I THINK THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING, AND I THINK THIS IS WRITING A LOT OF WRONGS, NOT JUST STARTING WITH REZONING OF A SCHOOL ZONE, BUT OF INCLUSION OF A WHOLE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD.

SO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HAPPY I AM TO SEE THIS.

AND THERE'S MORE TO COME AS FAR AS OUR SUPERINTENDENT BERNIER GOES.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS DOES ENACT THAT REZONING, BUT I HOPE IT HELPS ENCOURAGE THEM.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLE, JUST AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE UNANIMOUS HERE, AND WE KNOW THROUGH ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY HOW HARD IT IS TO GET TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO I THINK, YES, WE PASSED THIS RESOLUTION.

WE GET THE AT LARGE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE CITY COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD.

MR. DIAMOND ON BOARD.

I THINK THAT HELPS THE POLITICAL WILL.

THE THING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.

AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER RING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A MONEY THERE'S A LOGISTICS PIECE OF THIS.

THERE'S SEVERAL PIECES OF THIS, NOT JUST A 32233 ZIP CODE ALONG THAT I KNOW THAT DOES ENCOMPASSES SOME OTHER AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH MY POINT IS, WHAT WOULD HELP THIS IS IF WE SHOWED SOME MATH AND SOME STATISTICS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME NOT ONLY THE PRIDE OF GOING TO A ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT ALSO THE MATH AND WHY IT WOULD BE SAFER NOT TO CROSS ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.

WE SAW STUDENT, YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT GET KILLED OFF TWO WEEKS AGO.

SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER ISSUES HERE.

BUT WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, THIS IS GREAT, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BACK IT UP AND WE NEED TO DO SOME FOLLOW UP.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I WAS GOING TO NOTE THAT IT WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE AT LEAST ONE BUS TO SWOOP DOWN AND COLLECT THEM ALL AND BRING THEM ACROSS.

I KNOW THAT THE CROSSING AT PLAZA IS SORT OF BEEFIER THAN IT USED TO BE, BUT THE AFOREMENTIONED MIDDLE SCHOOLERS MAY NOT BE SAFE IN THAT INTERSECTION.

SO I WOULD LOVE ALL OUR KIDS TO BE IN OUR SCHOOL.

I FEEL THAT ALL THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE APPROVED, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY REACH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AT OUR SCHOOL.

YEAH. SO BUT LET'S GET ON WITH IT.

THANK YOU. AND I THINK WE HAVE AGREEMENT HERE.

WE'LL VOTE ON IT IN A SECOND.

BUT I WANT TO PUNCTUATE IT WITH ONE MORE POINT.

AND THAT IS WE WE'RE CELEBRATING RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUR SCHOOL OFF THE POTENTIAL CLOSURE LIST OR THE CLOSURE LIST.

BUT THAT'S NOT INTO PERPETUITY.

THIS CAN COME BACK TO US NEXT YEAR, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND SO ON.

AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT ONE OF THE KEY DRIVERS IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS FOR THE CPS IS CAPACITY UTILIZATION OF THE SCHOOL.

AND SO AS WE BEGIN THIS SCHOOL YEAR, WE ACTUALLY HAD SLIGHTLY OVER 500 STUDENTS.

BUT THEN FOR RIGHT AFTER SCHOOL STARTED.

SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT SOUTH OF 500.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT AT CAPACITY.

AND THOSE STUDENTS THAT LIVE IN WEST ATLANTIC BEACH, SPECIFICALLY MARSH OAKS, THOSE STUDENTS COULD CLOSE THAT GAP.

SO I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT WE ADVOCATE FOR THIS AND LEVERAGE, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE WILL ENGAGE OUR AT LEAST OUR DESIGNATED CITY COUNCILMAN, RORY DIAMOND, TO DO LIKEWISE THROUGH THE COJ COUNCIL.

BUT WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I, I OPPOSED.

THAT'S ALSO UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO ORDINANCE NUMBER

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 90-24-253, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

I'LL READ IT AND THEN I'LL CALL ON CITY MANAGER, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DUVAL, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, ADOPTING A FULLY REVISED CHAPTER 24 LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES AS SET FORTH WITHIN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A, WHICH GENERALLY AND SPECIFICALLY REGULATE THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF LAND AND WATERS WITHIN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.

REPEALING THE ENTIRETY OF THE CURRENT CHAPTER 24 ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90, - 19 240,

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ARTICLE ONE IN GENERAL, PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION AND AUTHORITY AND AUTHORITY PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR JURISDICTION, PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENTS, PROVIDING FOR LEGAL STATUS AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ARTICLE TWO. LANGUAGE AND DEFINITIONS.

PROVIDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF LANGUAGE.

PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS.

PROVIDING FOR ACRONYMS. ARTICLE THREE.

ZONING REGULATIONS.

PROVIDING FOR ARTICLE FOUR.

SUBDIVISION AND SITE IMPROVEMENT REGULATIONS.

ARTICLE FIVE.

ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCE REGULATIONS AND ARTICLE SIX CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT, FOR CODIFICATION, FOR APPLICABILITY, FOR CONFLICT, FOR SEVERABILITY, AND FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONER. I'M GOING TO INVITE AMANDA UP.

SHE'S GOING TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW AND A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ASKED US TO PREP SOME LANGUAGE FOR AT THE FIRST HEARING AND THEN WHATEVER OTHER AMENDMENTS WE GOT BETWEEN THAT TIME AND NOW.

AND THEN WE'LL LET THE FUN BEGIN.

I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR OUR SECOND READ ON THIS ORDINANCE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THIS HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR AND A HALF PROCESS.

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS AND HAS THE TOPICS THAT IT SEEMED LIKE IT BOILED DOWN TO WHICH COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WERE ARTIFICIAL TURF PERMEABILITY FOR POOLS AND STORMWATER.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET STARTING ON PAGE 68.

I'LL RUN THROUGH THESE VERY QUICKLY.

THEY WERE PUT IN ORDER SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS THEM IN ORDER.

THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED AS PART OF CHAPTER 24 UPDATE.

DATE OR THEY CAN BE MODIFIED.

SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO REMOVE THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THE SECOND POTENTIAL AMENDMENT WAS TO JUST LEAVE THE PERMEABILITY RATE FOR POOLS ALONE.

SO THAT'S IN THE DEFINITION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA.

SO WE WOULD LEAVE IT AS IS.

THE THIRD AMENDMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS LEAVING POOLS AT 50% PERMEABLE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE A SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD, POOLS WOULD THEN BE GRANTED A 75% PERMEABILITY AND NO CREDIT GIVEN FOR INFINITY POOLS. AN AMENDMENT FOR THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

CHANGES TO THE NEW STANDARDS WOULD ONLY APPLY OR REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, SO IT WOULD STAY AS IS BASICALLY AND THE AS THE CURRENT CODE STANDS.

AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE IS TO HAVE IT CHANGED AND REVERT BACK.

I'M SORRY I MESSED THAT UP.

AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR IS CHANGES TO THE NEW STANDARDS ONLY APPLY TO THE PROPERTIES FRONTING MAYPORT ROAD.

SO AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR WOULD HAVE THE INCREASED SITE DESIGN STANDARDS.

AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE REVERTS BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CODE FOR THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX WAS TO, IN THE ADVERTISING SECTION, CHANGE THE WORD FROM MAY TO SHALL.

THAT'S IN ADDITION TO NOTICE LISTINGS ABOVE, THE CITY SHALL POST NOTICES ON CITY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND THEN IN PARENTHESES SUCH AS FACEBOOK, DIGITAL NEWSLETTERS, ETC.

SO CHANGING THAT WORD FROM MAY TO SHALL IN THERE.

AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF.

YES, I ASK THE CITY ENGINEER TO COME TONIGHT.

IT SHOULD.

IS THIS A SECTION WHERE WE CAN BRING UP MY ISSUE AND YOU GUYS CAN DOUBLE TEAM IS ENFORCEMENT OF SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I KNOW I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER AND MY PROBLEM IS LIKE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM IS THAT WE CAN PASS THESE.

BUT THERE'S REALLY AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN, NOT ONLY THE AMENDMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO START WITH POOLS, YOU KNOW, PAVERS, ETCETERA. DID WE GO THROUGH HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE IT? DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER TO ENFORCE IT? WE HAVE THE WILLPOWER TO ENFORCE THESE.

WELL, STEVE SWANN, CITY ENGINEER MAN, YOU MIGHT CORRECT ME ON THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE CLOSER TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE CAN'T SEE OVER A SIX FOOT FENCE.

SO AFTER IT'S PERMITTED, IT IS.

IT IS WHAT IT IS PRETTY MUCH.

AND HOW WOULD YOU CHECK THE FREEBOARD OF A POOL FOR 7.5IN? THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHECKED AT THE TIME OF INSTALLATION OR WHEN THEY ARE APPLYING FOR IT AFTER THE FACT, AFTER IT'S INSTALLED.

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IT'S A LIFESTYLE WITH THAT.

SO HOW WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THE PERMEABILITY OF THE PAVERS AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME? WELL, I MEAN, THE ISSUE IS AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS CLEAR, MANUFACTURERS REP WAS CLEAR ON THAT.

THEY REQUIRE MAINTENANCE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ENFORCE MAINTENANCE.

SO IT WOULD BE AT THE TIME OF ISSUANCE WE'D SAY, OKAY THESE ARE GOOD PAVERS.

CORRECT. YES, SIR. YOU'D ALSO HAVE TO SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THE LAYERS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

BUT THREE YEARS LATER WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO AND INSPECT PAVERS, AM I? I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD DO THAT.

YES. AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK FOR ABOUT.

I'M GOING TO A BIGGER POINT HERE OBVIOUSLY, BUT SO THERE ARE ISSUES WITH ENFORCEABILITY AND AM I CORRECT.

YES. WITH THE NEW ADDITION.

OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I VOTED TO HEAR YOU OUT BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME COMING IN.

SINCE WE'RE ON PAVERS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND STICK WITH ONE ITEM AT A TIME IF YOU WANT TO STAND BY, GO AHEAD KELLY.

SO TODAY ON FACEBOOK, THE ATLANTIC BEACH PAGE, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS SAID LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO YOU KNOW, CLEAN MY PAVERS AND SEAL THEM.

YOU KNOW, OKAY, IT'S OUT THERE AND I WOULD THANK YOU.

I'M THIS PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO ADDRESS PAGE 33 OF 69 PAVER TYPES IS INCORRECT IN OUR HANDOUTS TONIGHT.

SO, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, SAYS PERVIOUS PAVERS, TABBED BLOCKS, THOSE ARE PERMEABLE PAVERS NOT PERVIOUS.

AND THEN IT SAYS PERMEABLE PAVERS BELOW.

NO TABS ON BLOCKS.

THOSE ARE PERVIOUS PAVERS NOT PERMEABLE.

SO FIRST POINT THERE.

SECOND IS AND I HEARD IT FROM A CITIZEN AND NOW I'VE HEARD IT FROM YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THE PAVERS WITH THE TABBED BLOCKS.

THE PAVER ITSELF IS NOT PERVIOUS.

WE'VE NOT PROJECTED THAT IT IS.

THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PERMEABLE TABBED PAVERS IS THE TABS BETWEEN EACH PAVER THAT KEEPS THEM SEPARATED SO THAT WATER GOES THROUGH.

THAT'S CORRECT ON THE SIDES OF THE PAVER, NOT THROUGH THE PAVER ITSELF.

SO WHETHER YOU SEAL THEM LATER TO SPRUCE THEM UP AND REJUVENATE THEM HAS NO BEARING ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PERMEABLE TABBED PAVERS. I'M WITH MAYOR ON THIS ONE.

WHEN IT COMES TO PERMEABLE PAVERS, IT'S NOT ABOUT SEALING, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING UNDERNEATH.

THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE INCENTIVIZED AND ENCOURAGED.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUILD DRIVEWAYS, BUT TO PAY 25 TO 50% MORE MONEY FOR THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN OTHER CITIES LIKE NEPTUNE BEACH AND JAX BEACH DO INCLUDE THIS.

I SAY AT THE VERY MINIMUM, 50% CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THIS BECAUSE EVEN WHEN THEY DO SEAL AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED.

IT'S MISUNDERSTANDING THE TECHNOLOGY, AND IT'S BEING A STICK IN THE MUD AND BEING AFRAID OF SOMETHING NEW AND SAYING ARTIFICIAL BACK IN THE 60S IS THE SAME ARTIFICIAL TURF IT IS IN 2024.

AND IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT. AND I'M SO FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK OF, OF, OF DRIVE TO INCLUDE NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR OUR CITIZENS AND INCENTIVIZING THE USE OF THIS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND BY FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WE WERE LISTENING TO OUR, OUR CITY OFFICIAL AND SO WE GOT INTO CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVEN'T OPENED UP PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE A SEAT, I'M GOING TO BRING YOU BACK.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO PRESENTATIONS.

DOLLY MCCORMICK.

DOLLY, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN.

AND BEFORE ALL THIS CAME ABOUT I PUT, LIKE, THE STEPPING STONES THAT YOU CAN GET THAT ARE.

I GUESS THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE CEMENT ACROSS MY FRONT AND OVER TO MY GARBAGE CANS SO THAT WHEN I WALK WITH MY CANE, I HAVE SOMETHING SOLID ON IT, BUT MINOR.

THERE'S AREAS IN BETWEEN THEM.

I DIDN'T PUSH THEM ALL TOGETHER.

THERE ARE AREAS IN BETWEEN.

NOW, WHEN I.

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WOULD I HAVE TO TAKE ALL THEM OUT NOW.

NO. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE PERMEABLE.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.

BUT THIS ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH WITH US, SO.

OKAY. SO WE HEAR YOUR CONCERN.

I HAD THAT THEY WERE SAFE TO KEEP.

YES. AND THEY'RE DOING THE JOB.

THANK YOU, MISS MCCORMICK.

CINDY ANDERSON.

SHE'S GONE.

OKAY. LISA HAROLD.

HI AGAIN. LISA HAROLD.

ADDRESS ON FILE BALANCE.

THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.

BALANCE. NEW TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT.

LET'S BALANCE.

LET'S WAIT TO SEE WHAT OUR REPORT SAYS.

LET'S WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND LET'S APPROACH THIS WITH BALANCE.

THANK YOU CAROL SCHWARTZ.

I THINK LISA HAS A GOOD POINT.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN EVALUATE THESE PAPERS THAT ARE GOING DOWN.

IF WE CAN GIVE APPROVAL IN SOMETHING THAT AT THE TIME THAT SEEMS ALLOWABLE, IT CAN BE CHANGED A COUPLE YEARS LATER WITH CLEANING AND SEALING AND THAT KIND OF THING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ENFORCE THAT.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IS I HAVE SEEN LARGE WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE LARGE BACKYARDS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

BUT THIS IS ONE THAT IS AND IT IS ENTIRELY ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND THE YARD IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I CAN IMAGINE THE DRAINAGE THAT THAT IS CAUSING.

AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE LIFT UP PIECES THAT HAVE TINY LITTLE HOLES IF THEY GET DIRT UP IN THEM.

AS A MATTER OF TIME, IT'S NOT PERMEABLE AND OTHERS HAVE LARGER SPACES.

SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH TECHNOLOGY THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

AND WE ARE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.

IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO HAVE PEOPLE GO BACK.

IT'S ALL WE CAN DO TO HAVE A MAN IN HER GROUP APPROVE THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS FREQUENT AND BUSY IN ATLANTIC BEACH, SO I'M STUMPED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS ITEM.

OKAY. YOU MAY.

STEVE FORAKER.

ONCE AGAIN, READING WITHOUT MY GLASSES.

AND I AND I GO BACK TO THESE MEETINGS WHEN I TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONS TO BILLY HOWELL.

MY MOTHER AND I USED TO COME TO THEM TOGETHER.

OF COURSE.

I'LL WAIT TILL CONVERSATION'S OVER.

OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OR MAX OUT YOUR LOT, THEN YOU SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR EXTRA STORMWATER RUNOFF.

OUR CITY CANNOT PAY FOR YOUR OVERBUILDING OR OSTENTATIOUSNESS, OR JUST WHAT YOU WANT BY SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CREATING A WHOLE NEW STORMWATER SYSTEM AND TRYING TO MOVE THAT WATER OUT OF OUR CITY. I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN HAL PARK WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AS A RETENTION POND, AND NOT THAT LONG AGO, AT A WORKSHOP, A LADY GOT UP AND SAID WHY DON'T WE CREATE A NICE LAKE IN JOHANSEN PARK? COME ON.

THAT IS THE ARGUMENT HERE.

AND THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.

THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST SHARE RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT ARE EASY IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEY INCLUDE AND MORE ARE DIFFICULT.

WE NEED TO RELY ON THE CURRENT SCIENCE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WHICH INCLUDE PERVIOUS PAVERS, PERMEABLE PAVERS

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BUT SOME SOLUTIONS REQUIRE MAINTENANCE BY A PROPERTY OWNER.

MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR BEST MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS ARE MADE BETWEEN CITIES AND PROPERTY OWNERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

GIVING CREDIT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE MAY NEED TO ADD A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE, BUT I THINK WE NEED ONE NOW.

BUT I THINK I WOULD HAPPILY PAY FOR THAT PERSON AND MOST CITIZENS WOULD.

THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE DOING THE CORRECT THING.

WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT CITY ENGINEER.

WE SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO HIM.

AND YOU SHOULD COMPLETE A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN BY ENGINEERS BEFORE YOU MESS WITH CHAPTER 24 SIGNIFICANTLY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. FOURAKER.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. THAT'S IT.

OKAY. THEN I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE BACK TO THE ORDINANCE. NOW DID WE? DID WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? WE DID NOT. WE JUST, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.

NO. AND I THINK YOU MAY WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT AT SOME POINT, WE'LL PROBABLY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE SIX AMENDMENTS.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE AND THEN TAKE MAYBE EACH ONE.

AND THEN AT THE END WE CAN WRAP THE AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, THE BILL AS AMENDED WITH WHATEVER AMENDMENTS PASSED.

OKAY. SO AND THIS DOESN'T ELIMINATE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND CALLING BACK OUR, OUR STAFF FOR, FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

BUT I'M GOING TO JUST READ THE AMENDMENTS NOW FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED POSSIBLY AMENDING AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND SO WE HAVE THEM WRITTEN SO THAT IF WE SO CHOOSE, WE'VE GOT THEM.

OTHERWISE, IT'S VERY HARD TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED OR HOW TO WORD IT.

SO STARTING OFF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THERE'S A POTENTIAL PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR AMENDING SECTION 24-17 DEFINITIONS TO REMOVE THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THE SECOND TOPIC WAS POOL PERMEABLE PERMEABILITY LEAVE POOLS AT 50% PERMEABLE, PERMEABLE, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDING SECTION 24-17 DEFINITIONS CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF IMPERVIOUS AREA TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SHALL MEAN THOSE SURFACES THAT PREVENT THE ENTRY OF WATER INTO THE SOIL.

COMMON IMPERVIOUS SURFACES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ROOFTOPS, SIDEWALKS, PATIO AREAS, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING LOTS, AND OTHER SURFACES MADE OF CONCRETE, ASPHALT, BRICK, PLASTIC, OR ANY OTHER SOLID SURFACE MATERIAL WITH A BASE OR LINING OF AN IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL.

WOOD DECKING, ELEVATED TWO OR MORE INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND, SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS, PROVIDED THAT THE GROUND SURFACE BENEATH THE DECKING IS NOT IMPERVIOUS.

PERVIOUS AREAS BENEATH ROOF OR BALCONY OVERHANGS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO INUNDATION BY STORMWATER, AND WHICH ALLOW THE PERCOLATION OF THAT STORMWATER, SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS AREAS.

THE WATER SURFACE AREA OF SWIMMING POOLS SHALL BE CALCULATED AS 50% PERVIOUS SURFACE.

NUMBER THREE, THIS IS THE THIRD TOPIC POOL PERMEABILITY.

POOLS AT 50% PERMEABLE POOLS THAT THE BASELINE WOULD BE 50% PERVIOUS, PERVIOUS OR PERMEABLE.

I'M SORRY. AND POOLS WITH SEVEN INCHES OF FREEBOARD WOULD BE AT 75% PERMEABLE AND NO CREDIT FOR INFINITY POOLS.

SO THAT'S BOTH A LIBERALIZATION OF THE CODE AND A TIGHTENING OF THE CODE BY THE ELIMINATION OF INFINITY POOLS.

AMEND SECTION 24-17 DEFINITIONS.

CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF IMPERVIOUS AREA TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SHALL MEAN THOSE SURFACES THAT PREVENT THE ENTRY OF WATER INTO THE SOIL.

COMMON IMPERVIOUS SURFACES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ROOFTOPS, SIDEWALKS, PATIO AREAS, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING LOTS, AND OTHER SURFACES MADE OF CONCRETE, ASPHALT, BRICK, PLASTIC, OR ANY OTHER OR ANY SOLID SURFACE SURFACING MATERIAL WITH A BASE OR LINING OF AN IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL.

WOOD DECKING ELEVATED TWO INCHES OR MORE, TWO OR MORE INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS, PROVIDED THAT THE GROUND SURFACE BENEATH THE DECKING IS NOT IMPERVIOUS. PERVIOUS AREAS BENEATH ROOF OR BALCONY OVERHANGS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO INUNDATION BY STORMWATER, AND WHICH ALLOW THE PERCOLATION OF THAT STORMWATER, SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS AREAS.

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SURFACE POOLS WITH A SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD ARE CALCULATED AT 75%.

PERVIOUS SURFACE AREA AND INFINITY POOLS ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.

THE FOURTH TOPIC, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR CHANGE TO HAVING NEW STANDARDS ONLY APPLY TO PROPERTIES FRONTING ALONG MAYPORT ROAD.

AMEND SECTION 2417 DEFINITION TO ADD BACK THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN PARENTHESES.

COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR MEANS THE LANDS, EXTENDING A DEPTH OF 100FT OUTWARD FROM THE.

FROM THE OUTWARD BOUNDARIES OF THE RIGHTS OF WAY ALONG MAYPORT ROAD AND ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, INCLUDING ANY PARCEL PARCELS WHICH ARE PARTIALLY WITHIN SAID 100FT, AND AMEND SECTION 204-171 TO CHANGE THE TITLE BACK TO COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

THE FIFTH TOPIC, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR CHANGES TO REVERT BACK TO PREVIOUS CODE.

AMEND SECTION 24-17 DEFINITION TO ADD BACK THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR MEANS THE LANDS EXTENDING A DEPTH OF 100FT OUTWARD FROM THE OUTER BOUNDARIES OF THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHTS OF WAY ALONG MAYPORT ROAD AND ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, INCLUDING ANY PARCELS WHICH ARE PARTIALLY WITHIN SAID 100FT AND NOT APPROVE THE CHANGES IN SECTION 24-171 COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THEN THE FINAL ONE.

NUMBER SIX NOTICING REQUIREMENTS FOR TEXT CHANGES TO CODE MAY TO SHALL AMEND SECTION 24-51 PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUIRED NOTICE.

SECTION 24-51D2.

WELL, I GUESS THAT'S SUBPARAGRAPH D2D TO IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICES LISTED ABOVE, THE CITY SHALL, THEN WE'VE CROSSED OUT MAY SHALL POST NOTICES ON CITY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS WITHIN MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS AND SIMILAR METHODS SUCH AS FACEBOOK, DIGITAL NEWSLETTERS, ETC.

TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS.

SO NOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS.

AND, MISTER KILLINGSWORTH, DO WE NEED TO REOPEN ANY PRESENTATIONS? I THINK STAFF WILL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU'RE AT THE STAGE NOW WHERE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN DEBATE THE MOTION.

AND IF YOU WANT TO BRING UP STAFF AND ASK QUESTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

SO YES, WHEN SOME OF THESE ARE CONTRADICTORY, DO WE HAVE TO DO EACH ONE? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO EACH ONE.

I THINK THE CLEANEST WAY TO GO WITH THE UNIQUE STANCE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS THIS GO THROUGH EACH WELL.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION AND TALK FURTHER WITH STAFF.

BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL WANT TO TAKE UP EACH AMENDMENT INDIVIDUALLY.

AND THEN I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE SLATE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU PASS FIVE OF THE SIX, WE'LL HAVE FIVE AMENDMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE THE BILL AS AMENDED WITH A SECOND AND HAVE ANY FURTHER DEBATE AND THEN VOTE ON IT.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE FINAL VOTE WILL BE NEXT WEEK.

CORRECT? NO, NO, ACTUALLY IT WILL BE THIS MEETING UNLESS YOU POSTPONE IT.

RIGHT. BUT NO, IT'LL BE THIS MEETING.

WE HAVE A CAN WE SAY SOME GENERAL STUFF BEFORE WE GET TO? I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN.

YEAH. YEAH, I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS A LOT, AS MOST OF YOU HAVE, AND I REALLY THINK IT COMES DOWN TO A MICRO VERSUS A MACRO VIEWPOINT. ON ONE HAND, MY EMAIL AND PEOPLE I TALK TO ARE RUNNING 10 TO 1 TO VOTE NO AGAINST THIS.

AND MOST OF THEM SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE STORM WATER PLAN.

WHY DON'T WE GET THE RESULTS AND THE METRICS OUT OF THAT? AND BY MACRO, I MEAN THAT I'VE GOT CITIZENS WHO NEED TO GET THE PROPER CREDIT FOR POOLS, PAVERS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT THEY GET THE RIGHT CREDIT FOR WHAT THEY PUT IN.

I HAVE GOOD CITIZENS THAT WANT STRICT BOUNDS TO KEEP STRUCTURES WITHIN THE ATLANTIC BEACH ENVIRONMENT SMALLER, RIGHT? BOTH OF THEM ARE RIGHT.

RIGHT. SO I'VE GOT MACRO PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I DESERVE THIS.

I'VE ALSO GOT PEOPLE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE GOT A STRICT CODE AND IT MAY NOT BE AS FAIR, YOU KNOW, FOR PULLS, FAVORS, WHATEVER.

SO THERE'S A DICHOTOMY THERE THAT MAKES IT THAT MAKES IT TOUGH.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE MICRO PART, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS A POOL WORTH.

THE TYPE OF PAVER, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.

BUT I LIKE I SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE THING ON A MACRO LEVEL, THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING AT FAIRNESS ISSUES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION.

AND THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A WRONG SIDE.

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YOU GUYS PAID 800,000 FOR IT.

PUT THE METRICS IN YOU WANT TO SEE.

I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND GO FOR IT.

SO I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW, SO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

BUT OKAY.

GO AHEAD. NO GO AHEAD.

NO I JUST WANTED TO BECAUSE THAT NUMBER 800,000 HAS BEEN TOUTED A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW.

WE'VE BUDGETED 200,000 FOR THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN, AND WE'VE MADE SOME SAVINGS ON OUR INSURANCE POLICIES.

SO IT MIGHT IT MIGHT RANGE 350, OKAY.

IN THE END, BUT THAT WILL BE THAT WILL BE METRICS THAT WE GET FROM THAT PLAN.

ONE SECOND. COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE TRUTH OUT.

SO MANY CITIZENS THINK THAT THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO ELIMINATE ON SITE STORAGE.

WE STILL WE STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN A FULL REPORTING FROM CITY STAFF.

AS TO OTHER CITIES REQUIRING ON SITE STORAGE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN STUDYING IT, AND IT'S VERY MINIMAL COMPARED TO OURS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT.

I HAVE ALREADY I THOUGHT WAS LEADING ON THIS TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THE STUDY AND THE CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE DO ANY SIGNIFICANT OVERHAUL TO CHAPTER 24, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO ON SITE STORAGE.

AND I'M GOING TO GO ON RECORD TODAY AS SAYING I AM NOT OPPOSED AS THE MAYOR OF THIS CITY TO CONTINUING WITH ON SITE STORAGE.

SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

BUT LATER WE'LL ADDRESS THAT.

THAT'S A BIG ROCK.

IT IS NOT A BIG ROCK TO ADDRESS PAVERS AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITIZENS WHO ARE VERY FEARFUL ON THIS.

WE'VE ONLY PUT IN ONE TYPE OF PAPER, NOT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PAVERS.

ONE TYPE PERMEABLE TABBED PAVERS THAT ALLOW WATER PENETRATION THROUGH THEM.

WE'VE GOT A SCHEMATIC DRAWN AS TO EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE TO BE INSTALLED WITH THE AGGREGATE BELOW.

SO THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT DECISION.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE DELAY ON ANY DECISION SO THAT THEY CAN DELAY ALL DECISIONS OVER TIME.

I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE TODAY THAT WE MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THIS ORDINANCE, HOWEVER AMENDED AND THEN MY FINAL THOUGHT WILL COME BACK TO ME IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT BRUCE BROUGHT UP IS ONCE THAT FENCE GOES UP, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ORDINANCES OR, OR REQUIREMENTS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY STATUTES THAT, THAT REQUIRE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T SEE.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR TREES THAT YOU REPLACE AFTER YOU PUT YOUR THE BIG ONES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE FOR THREE YEARS.

WE CAN'T CHECK BECAUSE THEY'RE BEHIND THAT, THAT THAT SIX FOOT FENCE.

AND SO YOU KNOW AND AS A I KNOW THAT THERE'S A THE PRIVATE CITIZEN OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS, AND WE CAN'T CONTROL WHETHER THE THINGS THEY DO ARE BEST FOR THE CITY OR NOT.

IT'S THIS, YOU KNOW, WE DO GET SOME PRETTY MCMANSIONY KIND OF THINGS IN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO AS MUCH AS I, I DON'T I DON'T QUITE GET THE POOL QUESTION.

WHAT? I DON'T ONCE THERE'S A POOL, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SEVEN INCHES OR NOT.

BUT THAT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FAIR POINT.

AND IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT, EVERY MANUFACTURER HAS A POOL AMOUNT OF FREEBOARD.

THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SURFACE OF THE WATER AND THE COPING OF THE TOP OF THE COPING OF THE POOL AT WHICH THAT POOL OPERATES MOST EFFICIENTLY, SO THAT YOU CAN RUN THE SKIMMER AND CLEAN THE POOL AND SO ON.

SO WHAT YOU DO ON THE POOLS IS YOU OPERATE BASED ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS, AND YOU HOPE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IDIOTS THAT FILL UP THEIR POOL TO THE TO THE RIM? IT ISN'T GOING TO FUNCTION PROPERLY ANYWAYS, BUT SO BE IT.

AND THIS BRINGS ME TO SOMETHING I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE I HOPE THIS COMMISSION CAN COME TO TERMS WITH THIS.

I HEAR ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT ONCE SOMETHING IS INSTALLED.

YOU CANNOT. IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A GESTAPO STATE THAT LOOKS INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, THAT IS THE WRONG ANSWER FOR THIS CITY.

WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTIONALLY GOOD CHOICES.

AND SO I ASKED, AS I ASKED IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, LET US LET US NOT BE HAMSTRUNG BY PERFECTION AT THE RISK

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GOOD. SO IF WE CAN DO GOOD THINGS AND PROVIDE RELIEF TO OUR CITIZENS WHERE IT'S WARRANTED WITH PERMEABLE TABBED PAVERS, FOR EXAMPLE. THEN WE SHOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THE FACT THAT DIRECTIONALLY WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE 100%.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AGAIN, ON THOSE PAVERS, WHEN WE GET TO THAT AMENDMENT, IF WE DO, IS WE ARE NOT TALKING TODAY ABOUT APPROVING PERVIOUS PAVERS.

THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THOSE IS THOSE RICE KRISPIE CAKES THAT THE WATER GOES THROUGH THE WHOLE PAVER.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE.

WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT PERMEABLE TAB PAVERS.

SO ANYWAYS, I'LL STOP THERE.

COMMISSIONER RING, I DID NOT RECOGNIZE YOU.

GO AHEAD. IT'S OKAY.

I THINK MOST OF YOU SAID EVERYTHING I HAD TO SAY.

BUT ONE THING WE DIDN'T BRING UP, WE NEEDED TO REMOVE THAT GRANDFATHER CLAUSE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT YESTERDAY.

IT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO TODAY.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING OUTSIDE THE 4555 RATIO.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THROW IT'S STOPPING HALTING EVERYTHING THAT IT'S NO BRAINER.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED ON OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS SINCE THE LAST MEETING IS THAT'S A MAJOR TIGHTENING OF OUR CODE. THAT'S NOT LOOSENING.

SO THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT GIVING UP ON THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE STORM WATER, BUT TO COMMISSIONER RING'S POINT, WE HAVE HOMES OR PROPERTY WHERE WE'VE GOT 70, 75% LOT COVERAGE AND THAT WILL NO LONGER BE PERMITTED TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN THE EVENT OF A REBUILD.

EXCEPTION, HOWEVER, IS LOSS OF THAT BUILDING TO ACTS OF GOD, WHICH WOULD BE WEATHER RELATED EVENTS.

FIRE AND FLOOD? COMMISSIONER BOLE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T NOTICE THE MARKET VALUE TRIGGER REMOVAL ON HERE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HALTED? I DON'T NOTICE IT IN THE BULLETS? MR. MAYOR. SO THE BILL BEFORE YOU INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT AMENDS OUR CODE.

CHAPTER 24.

SO IT HAS THE BILL BEFORE YOU HAS THE CHANGES THAT INCLUDE CAB LAW THAT INCLUDE REMOVING THE DOLLAR VALUE THRESHOLD FOR RENOVATION IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING.

I SEE. YEAH. AND IT INCLUDES THE, I JUST LOST THE ONE.

YOU ASKED THE GRANDFATHER.

THE GRANDFATHER. IT INCLUDES THAT IN IT, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A REDEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IT INCLUDES SOME STATUTORY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.

IT INCLUDES THE LANGUAGE ABOUT NOTICE, AND IT INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

RIGHT. SO THE BILL BEFORE YOU HAS ALL OF THOSE THINGS ALREADY IN THEM, SO THE QUESTION IS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU NEED TO AMEND THEM.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE EITHER OR THEY'RE ONE OR THE OTHER, LIKE 4 OR 5.

YOU'RE PICKING ONE OR THE OTHER TWO AND THREE.

WE'RE PICKING ONE OR THE OTHER.

SO TONIGHT REALLY WE WOULD HAVE FOUR AMENDMENTS TO OUR AMENDMENTS.

SO OKAY, AT THIS POINT, SINCE THE DISCUSSION SEEMS TO BE ENDING, WHAT I THINK WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE THEM AS I READ THEM ONE THROUGH SIX, AND I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION STARTING WITH NUMBER ONE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MOVE ARTIFICIAL TURF TO AMEND THE DEFINITIONS TO REMOVE THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND IF WE DO THAT, VOTE ON IT AND IT PASSES, THEN THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FINAL MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 92- 24-253.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FIRST.

CAN WE CALL IT THE FIRST AMENDMENT? YEAH. OH 9024253, ARTICLE.

I SECOND.

DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT THERE.

EVERYONE IS WELL, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, DON'T MESS WITH IT UNTIL WE GET THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS US VOTING TO NOT MESS WITH IT UNTIL WE GET THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

SO WE'RE NOT ADDING IT INTO THAT ORDINANCE THAT 218 PAGES, UNTIL WE GET THE SCIENCE BEHIND IT.

OKAY I'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED.

THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

NUMBER TWO ON THE POOL PERMEABILITY.

THAT IS, TO ESSENTIALLY TO LEAVE IT AT THE 50% AND NOT TAKE ON THE CHANGES.

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WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I JUST WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONEROUS CALCULATION IN OUR CODE.

I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH OF THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START TO CRACK OPEN THAT ON SITE STORM WATER.

SO AS FAR AS NUMBER THREE AT MIMIC GOES NUMBER THREE, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE.

BUT I'M NOT A MATH PERSON.

BUT THAT LOOKS REALLY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE.

TWO. CLEAR CUT.

AGAIN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF US LEAVING THINGS AS IS UNTIL WE GET THAT STORM WATER MASTER PLAN BACK.

BECAUSE REALLY, WHEN I WENT INTO THIS, I DID THINK THAT POLL SHOULD BE 100% PERVIOUS.

SO MY PERSONAL COMPROMISE IS TO WAIT UNTIL THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER CRAZY CALCULATION AND THAT I'M NOT SURE STAFF COULD ENFORCE.

YES. COMMISSIONER. SO I WRESTLED WITH THE POOL THING AND PART OF IT IS DURING THE RAINSTORM.

THE POOL IS ABSOLUTELY CONTAINING THE WATER, RIGHT? BUT JUST AS WE DID IN AQUATIC GARDENS, WHEN WE PUMP DOWN THE POOL, WHERE DOES IT GO? IT GOES OVER TO THE SIDE AND INTO THE STREET AND IT GOES INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.

AND SO WE HAVE TO COPE WITH ALL THAT RAIN HEAD OF IT.

AND THEN AFTER THE STORM, WHAT DO WE DO? WE PUMP IT BACK DOWN TO ITS APPROPRIATE LEVEL AND WE ONCE AGAIN BURDEN THE STORM DRAIN.

SO I KNOW THAT THAT DURING THE STORM IT'S DEFINITELY PERMEABLE JUST TO SAVE IT.

BUT IN THE LONG IN THE BIGGER PICTURE I IT BOTHERS ME THAT IT'S A BURDEN ON THE STORMWATER ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.

SO I'LL JUST COMMENT.

IF THAT'S A VALID ARGUMENT, THEN WE WOULD NOT PUMP DOWN THE POND AT AQUATIC GARDENS.

WELL, BECAUSE YOU PROTECT PROPERTY.

WELL, THE SAME THING WITH THE POOL.

SO INITIALLY YOU WOULD PUMP DOWN THE POOL PRIOR TO THE STORM, PUTTING THE WATER IN THE STORM SYSTEM IN THE STORM WATER SYSTEM AT THAT TIME IS NOT A BURDEN ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT OVER BURDENED.

IT WOULD BE INSANITY TO BE PUMPING YOUR POOL DURING THE STORM.

NOW YOU'RE BURDENING AN ALREADY.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE MY COMMENTS.

I'M WILLING TO GET A SEVEN INCH FREEBOARD AND THE 75% PERMEABILITY FOR NOW.

PENDING THE STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO LATER NEXT YEAR.

AND WE'LL KEEP IT SIMPLE NOW.

UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS IT WILL LEAVE INFINITY POOLS AS BEING 50% PERVIOUS FOR NOW.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED, BUT I THINK WE'RE EITHER GOING TO CHANGE ALL OF IT AT ONE TIME OR NOT, SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT ONE.

IF YOU VOTE NO, OR IF YOU VOTE YES ON TWO AND OBVIOUSLY NO ON THREE, THEN WE'LL LEAVE THAT ALONE UNTIL WE GET OUR STUDY.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A YOU'VE GOT A MOTION, YOU'VE GOT A SECOND.

SO TWO VOTES, IT'S GOING TO CANCEL IT ANYWAY.

AND YOU KNOW THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT.

YEAH. IT'S JUST THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S MY POINT.

RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE POOL PERMEABILITY BEING LEFT AT 50% SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE, AYE. THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT ELIMINATES THE NEED TO GO OVER NUMBER THREE.

ALTHOUGH DOES IT.

WELL, SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION.

THEY WILL.

BUT I KNOW IT'S CONTRADICTORY.

ARE THE TWO ACTUALLY CONTRADICTION OR ACTUALLY SUPPLEMENTAL ON NUMBER THREE? CITY MANAGER? NUMBER THREE ADDS THE 75% PERMEABLE AND NO CREDIT FOR INFINITY.

SO I MEAN, IF THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON IT, YOU CAN VOTE ON IT.

AND IF THERE'S THREE VOTES, THEN IF THERE'S NOT A MOTION, IF THERE'S NO MOTION FOR A MOTION, IF THERE'S NOT A MOTION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

YES OR NO OR NO MOTION.

OKAY. NO MOTION FAILS.

WELL, WE MIGHT BE COMPLICATING THIS.

WE'LL MOVE TO NUMBER FOUR ON THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

AND THAT'S SIMPLY AMENDING TO ADD BACK CORRIDOR IN THE DEFINITION OR IN CORRIDOR BEING DEFINED AS 100FT OFF OF BOTH MAYPORT ROAD AND ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER FOUR? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

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AND SO ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS DID NOT LIKE THAT.

AND SO THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THE APPLICATION OF THAT CODE THAT REALLY WAS DESIGNED FOR THE VISIBLE PORTION OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREA IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

BUT THE CURRENT WE WOULD GRANDFATHER THE CURRENT PROPERTY.

CORRECT? YES. WHEN YOU SAY GRANDFATHERED, IT WILL NOT CHANGE.

NO. IT'S GOING TO.

OH, YEAH, I GUESS SO.

YEAH. SO LET ME BE CLEAR.

THERE'S TWO KIND OF TWO ISSUES IN AND ONE OF THEM IS NOT BAKED INTO THIS.

THIS IS SIMPLY RESTORING CORRIDOR TO BE THAT 100 FOOT AREA, SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT CODE CHANGES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO WHAT IS VISIBLE BY PEOPLE CRUISING THROUGH ATLANTIC BEACH WHAT IT WHAT IT DOES NOT DO IS IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE ANY OF THE CODE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH IN THIS REVISION FOR THAT CORRIDOR.

AND THERE WERE I DON'T RECALL WE'D HAVE TO BRING AMANDA BACK UP, BUT I REMEMBER THE ADDITION OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF YEAH.

YEAH. AND SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE ITEMS. SO DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE? AM I ON FOR, I'M SORRY, ON FOR.

EXCUSE ME. OKAY.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR DESIRE.

I WANT IT TO BE LEFT ALONE COMPLETELY BECAUSE FOUR ACTUALLY ENCOMPASSES A WHOLE TWO PAGES OF DESIGN STANDARD CHANGES AND BUILDING STANDARD CHANGES. SO AS MUCH SPOTLIGHT THAT STORM WATER HAS GOTTEN AS FAR AS THE 218 PAGES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR GET THAT MUCH SPOTLIGHT.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THIS IN SPRING OF 2023.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW THESE CHANGES COME ON THE AGENDA.

THAT'S A YEAR AND A HALF.

HAD WE HAVE BROKEN THIS PROCESS DOWN TO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE COVERED ALL THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IN OUR CODE IN ORDER TO MAKE US IN COMPLIANCE.

HAD WE DONE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ITS OWN TOWN HALL MEETING, ITS OWN PUBLIC INPUT.

WE COULD HAVE. WE COULD HAVE PASSED THOSE LICKETY SPLIT.

WE'D BE IN COMPLIANCE THEN, IF WE HAD DONE STORM WATER ON ITS OWN, WE WOULDN'T PROBABLY HAVE FOUR HOUR MEETINGS THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

COMMERCIALS THAT WOULD IMPACT A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THESE ESTHETIC CHANGES, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THEM AND THEIR NUANCES MASKING, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH STORM WATER, IS TO DEFER FOR A LATER DATE.

SO BY DEFERRING, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO FIVE, NOT FOUR FOR SURE WOULD SAY FOUR.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE PORTLAND BOULEVARD.

THAT'S OUR CORRIDOR.

BUT IT GOES EVEN FURTHER PAST THAT.

AND IT DOES ENCOMPASS OTHER CHANGES OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.

THERE'S ELECTRIC STATIONS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OTHER ONES.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE WOULD DEFER THIS AND GIVE IT ITS OWN SPOTLIGHT, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH SOME OF THE STORM WATER. SO HALTING THAT AND REALLY RECONSIDERING THE PROCESS OF BREAKING UP CHAPTER 24 IN THE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION EITHER TO APPROVE OR NOT TO APPROVE? I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE AMENDMENT FOUR.

OKAY. SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE POSED FOR THAT IS NOT AN AMENDMENT.

MOVING TO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH REALLY IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED.

THAT IS ADDING BACK THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT THEN GOING ON TO SAY TO NOT APPROVE THE CHANGES IN SECTION 24-171 WITH REGARDS TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

[01:40:02]

THEN THAT'S HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME LAST WEEK.

I THINK WHEN YOU AND I TALKED YOU WERE ALSO CONCERNED WITH 24-175.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO STATE IF YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR NUMBER FIVE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE NUMBER FIVE AND NOT APPROVE THE CHANGES IN SECTION 220.

AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD LEAVE IT AS IS FOR US TO REVISIT LATER.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AMENDMENT FIVE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR CHANGING TO REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CODE AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY, AND INCLUDING 24 SECTION 24-175. THE MAYPORT BUSINESS OVERLAY.

DISTRICT SECOND.

WHERE? YOU SAID 24-175, WASN'T IT? WHAT DID SHE WANT? SHE WANTS TO ADD.

SO IT WOULD THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE ALL THE AMENDMENT IN NUMBER FIVE APPROVE THE CHANGES IN SECTION 24-171.

SHE WANTS TO INCLUDE AFTER THAT.

AND 24-175 THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED.

COMMISSIONER BOLE. DID YOU SECOND THAT? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

I KNOW THAT IN 2016 AND 2017, THE COMMISSION MET WITH THE BUSINESSES.

AND THIS DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE BUSINESSES IN MY DISTRICT.

IT AFFECTS THE BUSINESSES AND BRUCE PAUL'S DISTRICT AS WELL THAT PORTION.

BUT THAT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO REVISIT THOSE AND TO OPEN IT UP.

BUT IT'S ALSO INCUMBENT ON US TO GET THEM TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

TO GET THEM TO MEETINGS TO PUBLICIZE THIS, TO GO ON THE WEB WITH A LOT OF KEVIN STUFF.

IT'S UP TO US TO ENERGIZE THEM, TO COME AND HEAR THEIR VOICES.

AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER BOLE IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED WITH AMENDMENT SIX.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. SO NUMBER SIX NOTICING REQUIREMENTS TO TEXT CHANGES TO CODE AND TO CHANGE FROM MAY TO SHALL.

I MOVE, WE ADOPT.

OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FIRST AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS.

I MOVE, WE ADOPT AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX.

SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION. IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

MAY MEANS NOTHING TO ME.

NOT JUST THAT I CAN HEAR THE STAFF'S FRUSTRATION OR, YOU KNOW, APPREHENSION TOWARDS USING MAILERS.

FOR ONE, IT'S COSTLY, BUT TWO, YOU PUT IT.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF NUMBERS AND DASHES THERE.

I DON'T THINK IT MEANS ANYTHING TO ANYONE.

AND YOU CAN'T FIT. MOST OF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT LITTLE THAT MAILER THERE.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THIS NUMBER SIX, NOT JUST THE SHELL.

AND FORMER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SAID THIS SO WELL EARLIER, UNLESS YOU'RE RIDING YOUR BIKE UP AND YOU HAPPEN TO SEE THE POST, YOU KNOW, THE POSTER, WHICH NOBODY IS LOOKING AT THAT.

BUT THE UTILIZATION.

I DID ASK STAFF TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, AND INITIALLY WE HAD GOTTEN NEWSLETTERS AND SIMILAR METHODS, BUT I DID ASK FOR THE ADDITION OF FACEBOOK DIGITAL NEWSLETTERS, AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AS COMMISSIONER BULLARD MENTIONED ABOUT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT GETTING THEM HERE.

BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE GET THOSE POSTCARDS AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT? SO IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S ABOUT INVOLVEMENT.

AND ALSO GOING BACK TO THE PROCESS OF BREAKING UP CHAPTER 24.

I THINK A LOT OF THE MISUNDERSTANDING THROUGHOUT THE CITIZENS IS THIS WAS A BIG ELEPHANT.

AND HOW DO YOU EAT ONE? NOT THAT I'VE EVER EATEN AN ELEPHANT, BUT ONE BITE AT A TIME.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD WITH CHANGES.

CHAPTER 24 IS TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO SEGMENTS.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM PAGE 1 TO 60, BUT AT LEAST WITH SEGMENTS AND TOPICS, SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

SO THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS.

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WE HAVE TO BE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.

AND TO UNDERSTAND EVERY CODE AND EVERY ORDINANCE THAT THE BUSINESSES AND THE PEOPLE ABIDE BY.

SO I THINK THAT SIX IS PART OF THAT.

OKAY. WITH NO FURTHER.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY, I APOLOGIZE.

YOU WERE STARTING TO READ THE AMENDMENT AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE STARTING A CONVERSATION.

I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY. WE HAVE NOW, HOW MANY AMENDMENTS DO WE HAVE? OH, YEAH. SO THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD ON THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY, SO WE'RE BACK TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-253 AS AMENDED.

WELL, I WOULD ASK AT THIS POINT FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THE BILL AS AMENDED WITH THOSE FOUR AMENDMENTS.

YEAH. I'LL CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION.

I MOVE WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-253, AS AMENDED WITH THE BOARD APPROVED.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

OH. SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DID THAT INCLUDE WITH THE AMENDMENT TO NUMBER FIVE ADDING SO JUST LEAVING IT ALONE? THERE ARE NO CHANGES. SPAULDING JUST WANTED.

OKAY. DONNA WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT. AYE.

AYE. AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-253 HAS PASSED AND WE WILL MOVE TO A CITY ATTORNEY.

DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? I DON'T HAVE A REPORT TODAY.

CITY CLERK.

DONNA. THANK YOU.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

COMMISSIONER KELLY, WOULD YOU LEAD US OFF? WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S BEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON THE TRIAL FOR US HAVING TO FILL OUT FORM 616, WHATEVER WAS THAT ORDER THAT QUASHED IT? BUT I HAVEN'T CHECKED, I WILL CHECK.

I CAN CHECK I'M WAITING FOR THE AX TO FALL.

I THINK THAT THE CHANCES OF ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM THAT INJUNCTION BECAUSE TO, TO HAVE MADE THE INJUNCTION THEY DID THERE HAD TO BE A VERY HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THE MERITS OF THAT CASE WERE GOING TO FALTER.

SO I DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY CHANGE TO IT, BUT I'LL CHECK.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLE.

YEAH. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON ALL THIS, I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE STORM WATER [INAUDIBLE] WE DO THE STUDY THAT WE TAKE THESE AMENDMENTS AND PUT THEM IN THERE AND GIVE IT SOME, YOU KNOW, GET SOME ANSWERS TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT WE'VE DONE OR TO SHOW THAT WE CAN IMPROVE IT.

BECAUSE AND I'M SORRY, BILL, THAT LIKE 800,000 SOUND STUDY AND HOPEFULLY THE CITY THINKS LUCKILY I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS MAYOR.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE INFINITY POOLS ARE GOING TO BUILD IN A YEAR.

SO I THINK THAT GIVES US A LITTLE SPACE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.

IT'S REALLY A LOT OF THIS IS ABOUT FUTURE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FUTURE CONSTRUCTION.

SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME TO FIX IT IF, IF IN FACT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE MADE A BAD MOVE.

AND THE ONLY THING I, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL LEARNING ABOUT THE PAVERS, THAT'S ALL.

YEAH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER RING. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE ALL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY ON THAT LAST ORDINANCE, AND I'M PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HONOR MISTER OR OFFICER MCNEW AND THEIR FAMILY.

HE WAS A TRUE AMERICAN HERO WHO LOST HIS LIFE DEFENDING A PERSON WHO WAS IN TROUBLE.

AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM.

THEY ARE FROM ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND MY PRAYERS ARE WITH THEM.

MAY YOU REST IN PEACE.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND FINISH I WAS AT THE VIGIL THE OTHER NIGHT.

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THERE WERE WELL OVER 100 PEOPLE.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE ECLIPSED 200, BUT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT TURNAROUND TURNOUT.

AND I THOUGHT AT FIRST, WHAT A WHAT A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A CITY WITH HEART.

AND THAT'S ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.

AND YET THE REALITY IS IT WAS A COMMUNITY OF BEACHES, COMMUNITY.

WE'RE ALL OVER. THE CONNECTIONS WERE FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL, THE FLETCHER BAND.

THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE OFFICERS JSO AND ATLANTIC BEACH PD COMBINED SAINT PAUL'S CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW OTHERS I'M FORGETTING.

THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER.

IT SPEAKS VOLUMES.

IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE WE REALLY DO HAVE A SAFE COMMUNITY THAT WE PAY SO MUCH ATTENTION.

AND WE CELEBRATE WHAT PEOPLE DO SELFLESSLY TO PROTECT US IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ON THAT, BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CITY MANAGER? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THAT IN TERMS OF THE TOWN HALL DATES, IF YOU COULD ALL SEND ME AN EMAIL FOR THE ONES THAT DON'T WORK FOR YOU OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES ON THE OTHER ONES.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.