Dec 09, 2024 Commission Meeting

WE'LL NOW COME TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

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ACTUALLY, HOLD ON THAT.

OKAY. I CALLED IT TO ORDER.

I'M GOING TO RESPECT THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN INVOCATION FIRST FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE INVOCATION? WAS IT MY TURN? IT WAS RIGHT HERE. OKAY, I'LL DO IT.

IF YOU'LL STAND AND JOIN ME.

DEAR LORD, IN THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY THE BLESSINGS OF OUR CHILDREN AT ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

THAT THEY CONTINUE TO GROW AND TURN INTO THE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.

ALL OF US HAVE A PART IN THAT.

AND DELIGHTED TO HAVE THEM HERE TONIGHT.

BLESS THEM AND BLESS THEIR VOICES AS THEY'RE ABOUT TO SING FOR ALL OF US.

KEEP US SAFE THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS AND BLESS THIS COMMISSION AND OUR WORK THAT WE DO HERE TONIGHT.

AMEN. IF YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO REOPEN THIS MEETING.

THIS MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DATED DECEMBER 9TH, 2024, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

AND NOW, DONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THANK YOU. NORMALLY WE WOULD GO RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA, BUT I WANTED TO OPEN THIS MEETING, MR. WALLACE, SO THAT WE COULD CAPTURE THIS ON OUR VIDEO.

SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, AND FOR THE PARENTS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT OUR VIDEO WILL PICK UP, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CHILDREN ON THE SCREEN, IT'LL PICK UP THE VIDEO PART, THE AUDIO NOT SO GOOD.

OKAY. SO I BELIEVE MR. HOGENCAMP IS GOING TO BE GETTING A GOOD AUDIO THAT HE'S GOING TO POST ON THE OR AUDIO VISUAL POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

SO LOOK FOR THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

I WANT TO THANK MR. WALLACE, THE CERTAINLY ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE AFFILIATED.

I WANT TO THANK THE CHILDREN FOR WORKING HARD TO GET READY FOR THIS.

WE'RE SO PROUD OF OUR COURSE AT ABBEY AND, MR. WALLACE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

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I'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THAT.

THANK YOU, GUYS.

THANKS, JILL.

CHILDREN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

WE ARE SO VERY, VERY PROUD OF ALL OF YOU.

MR. WALLACE, YOU DO SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THESE KIDS.

AND JUST KNOW THAT MRS. MAYOR IS IN THE BACK.

SHE CAME OUT JUST TO HEAR YOU GUYS SING THIS THIS EVENING.

SO WE'LL SEE YOU OVER AT ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. WALLACE. YEAH.

OKAY. SO MOVING RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA, IF YOU'RE READY.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR MICROPHONE, MR. ATTORNEY. ITEM ONE A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETINGS HELD ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2024 AND NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.

ITEM ONE B APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE FINAL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON APRIL 24TH, 2024.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS SUBMITTED.

ITEM TWO, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

WE HAVE A FEW, SO.

OH, DONNA, I'M LOOKING FOR DONNA.

DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SPEAKERS? OKAY. SO WE ONLY HAVE A FEW PEOPLE TONIGHT.

SO THE RULES ARE YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON BUSINESS PERTAINING HOPEFULLY TO THE CITY.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND I'LL TAKE THE FIRST SPEAKER.

TIM AGER.

MAN, I PICKED THE RIGHT NIGHT TO COME AS A FELLOW ENTERTAINER.

THAT FIRED ME UP THOSE KIDS.

THAT WAS GREAT. SO I THINK WE NEED MORE OF THAT HERE IN JACKSONVILLE.

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AND MY NAME IS TIM EGGAR.

I LIVE AT 2386 SNOWY EGRET DRIVE, AND I RUN THIS BIG SOCIAL GROUP CALLED JAX SOCIAL GROUP.

AND I'VE THROWN 400 EVENTS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

LET ME SEE. I'M THROWING RESTAURANT MEETUPS, MASQUERADE BALLS, HALLOWEEN PARTIES, BIG BEACH PARTIES MOULIN ROUGE.

IT GOES ON AND ON.

AND THE BEST EVENT I'VE EVER THROWN IT WAS CALLED THE BEACH BONFIRE BASH, RIGHT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND WE HAD SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE OUT THERE, SIX FIRES.

WE HAD PEOPLE SPINNING FROM SILKS S'MORES FOR EVERYBODY, A DJ, AND I THINK WE BROKE THE PERMIT A LITTLE BIT AND I GOT IN TROUBLE.

I GOT A PHONE CALL, AND NOW THIS YEAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PERMITTING IS A LOT HARDER.

IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT LIKE I DID LAST YEAR, LIKE A ROAD WARRIOR.

AND SO, I'D LIKE I'M HERE TO PLEAD MY CASE.

I'VE BEEN TALKING TO MR. HOGENCAMP, WHO HAS TOLD ME NO AS A GOOD GATEKEEPER, BUT I'M AN ENTREPRENEUR, AND I DON'T TAKE NO VERY LIGHTLY.

SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET ME GO SEE WHAT MY FRIENDS AT CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO SAY.

AND WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A SIGNATURE EVENT HERE IN JACKSONVILLE THAT HAS NATIONAL ATTENTION.

SO, PEACE GIVING IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN DO PERSONALLY, AND I CAN COORDINATE.

AND I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO, TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.

WE I'LL GO TO THE END OF THE WORLD AND BACK TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE.

I WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT.

I WANT 6 OR 7 FIRE PITS.

I WROTE KEVIN AN EMAIL.

HE HAS IT. BUT THINGS THAT I TALK ABOUT ARE OUR VISION SAFETY.

I UNDERSTAND SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE.

NOBODY CAN GET HURT. LIKE THAT'S THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN AS AN EVENT PLANNER.

YOU THROW AN EVENT, SOMEONE GETS BURNED BY THE FIRE, THE CITY GETS SUED.

I HEARD MR. KILLINGSWORTH TALKING ABOUT GETTING SUED.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

I WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I'LL WORK WITH THE RESTAURANTS.

I'LL WORK WITH THE POLICE. I'LL WORK WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.

I'LL HAVE FIRE SAFETY MONITORS.

I'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, OKAY.

YEAH, THIS DUDE IS SERIOUS.

NOBODY'S GETTING HURT.

MY VISION TO HAVE A SIGNATURE EVENT HERE EVENTUALLY I WANT TO HAVE, LIKE, A COACHELLA HERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ATLANTIC BEACH SO GREAT, IS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIRES.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS IN JACKS BEACH, NEPTUNE BEACH.

AND IT'S RIGHT HERE AT ONE OCEAN WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS.

JUST LIKE BEATS GIVING, IT'S EASY TO GET TO.

THERE'S PARKING AT K-MART.

IT WOULD BE AT THE NIGHT AT NIGHTTIME IN FEBRUARY.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MISS RING WOULD RATHER DO ON FEBRUARY 7TH FROM 7 TO 10 AND GO TO THE FOURTH ANNUAL BEACH BONFIRE BASH.

I KNOW MR. GABRIEL WOULD LOVE THAT.

MR. GRANT, I KNOW YOU LOVE IT, SO I WANT TO DO ALL THIS.

THE PERMITTING THE NOISE, THE EVENT PLANNING.

I WANT TO COLLECT DONATIONS.

I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS FOR THE SOCIAL MEDIA OR PROMOTION, WHATEVER IT IS, HOWEVER, YOU CAN WIN.

DO YOU GUYS WANT MORE COMMERCE TO COME DOWN HERE? DO YOU WANT MORE PROMOTION FOR YOUR CITY? DO YOU WANT MORE EVENTS TO DO? DO YOU WANT? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT A HUGE BEACH CLEANUP? I CAN I ORGANIZE CITY CLEANUPS DOWNTOWN.

I'VE DONE SEVERAL ALREADY.

I'LL DO A BEACH CLEANUP. WE LEAVE EVERY TIME I DO A BEACH PARTY, WHICH I'VE DONE OVER 20 WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

THE BEACH IS CLEANER THAN WHEN I GOT THERE.

LIKE, NOT A WRAPPER WILL BE LEFT.

NOT A BOTTLE CAP.

THERE'LL BE NOTHING.

AND SO THIS IS TOO GOOD OF AN OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S THE BEST. I'VE THROWN HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF EVENTS.

IT'S THE BEST EVENT I'VE EVER THROWN.

IT'S TOO GOOD OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST LET SLIP BY.

AND SO I'M HERE TO PLEAD MY CASE, AND.

AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO AND TALK TO WHOEVER I HAVE TO DO, TALK TO AND SET UP BARRIERS AND THIS AND THAT.

AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET A PERMIT.

NOW, I JUST WENT TO A PARTY THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP.

YOU HAVE TO PUT THE COALS IN THE IN THE BUCKET.

YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS STUFF AND I'M OKAY.

I'LL DO WHATEVER. I'LL DO WHATEVER.

IT'S JUST SUCH A GREAT EVENT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING ME YOUR TIME.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. EDGAR. BRINKLEY.

HARRELL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

I AM BACK FROM MY SABBATICAL.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS A BREAK FOR ME FROM Y'ALL OR A BREAK FOR Y'ALL FROM ME.

BUT NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT I'M BACK.

AND I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT DOLLARS AND BUDGETING AND EXPENSES AND WHATNOT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS COMING UP LATER ON THE AGENDA.

RELATIVELY SMALL DOLLAR THINGS.

I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS ON SOME OF THAT CONTRACTING, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT.

WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND I'M USING THE SAME NOTES THAT I USE EITHER 9 OR 10 MONTHS AGO, OR MAYBE IT WAS A YEAR AGO ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE KICKED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AROUND FOR YEARS.

FOR 42 YEARS.

THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT 1982.

IT WAS AMENDED IN 1984, AND WE HAVE NEVER HELD COJ OR DUVAL COUNTY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDING, THAT

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WE'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO THE COUNTY.

WE'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

AND WE'RE DOUBLE PAYING FOR A NUMBER OF THESE ITEMS. AND MOST OF Y'ALL ARE VERY WELL READ ON IT.

BUT EVERY YEAR WHEN IT COMES AROUND OR EVERY TIME, I SPEAK ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE GOTTA WAIT AND GET INTO THE BUDGETARY PROCESS FOR [INAUDIBLE].

WE CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO OCTOBER.

THEY'RE ALREADY CONSIDERING THEIR BUDGET AND WE'RE NOT FIGURED INTO IT.

WELL, THESE NUMBERS AND I'M LOOKING BACK, PROBABLY IT WAS PROBABLY ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

IT WAS $3.3 MILLION OR MORE.

EXACT 3,000,379, 401 IS THE NUMBER THAT I HAD COME UP WITH.

AND THESE ARE A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE ILA THAT KOGE SAYS THEY WILL FUND.

ANIMAL CONTROL THAT'S COSTING US $121,000 A YEAR USING THESE OUT OF DATE NUMBERS.

BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD.

THEY WOULD PAY FOR ANIMAL CONTROL RECREATION, TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, NOT QUITE SURE WHICH ONE.

IT FALLS INTO 1,000,005 THAT WE'RE FUNDING OUT OF OUR BUDGET THAT KOGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING AS A COUNTY FUNCTION.

SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS.

WE DON'T OWN ANY SCHOOLS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

WE HAVE ONE, BUT WE DON'T OWN IT.

BUT WE'RE PROVIDING SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS THERE AND WE ALWAYS SHOULD.

BUT IT SHOULD BE BACK.

FUNDED BY EITHER THE COUNTY JSO OR DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD BUT NOT COMING OUT OF TWO POTS OF DOLLARS THAT WE'RE PAYING IN FOR LIFEGUARDS AND BEACH MAINTENANCE.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY THROW US A BONE ON LIFEGUARDS, THEY THROW THEY FUNDED HALF OR MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF THE NEW LIFEGUARD STATION.

WE DON'T OWN THE BEACH.

WE TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT WE DON'T OWN IT.

THAT'S A COUNTY BEACH.

THAT'S A COUNTY LEVEL FUNCTION THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING TO PAY ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING OUT OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES THAT GO TO THE COUNTY.

AND THE BIGGEST ONE, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT REALLY HAS, YOU KNOW, IS BIG IN MY BOOK IS FIRE SERVICES.

WHEN THE ILA CAME ABOUT IN 1982, WE HAD OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE DIDN'T WANT FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES TO BE IN L.A.

BECAUSE WE HAD OUR OWN GUYS, WELL, BETWEEN 82 AND 84.

AND THEN IN 1999, THAT ALL CHANGED.

THE WHOLE SCHEME OF HOW A FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RUN BECAME SO COMPLICATED.

WE COULDN'T DO IT FOR 1 OR 2 TRUCKS AND A COUPLE OF DOZEN FIREFIGHTERS.

SO WE TURNED THAT OVER TO COJ UNDER A 25 YEAR CONTRACT.

WE PAID, WE PAID, WE'VE PAID.

THE LAST NUMBER I HAVE HERE IS $1,381,000.

THIS YEAR, IT'S PROBABLY 1.5, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED PAYING ON THAT THE END OF MAY WHEN THAT 25 YEAR CONTRACT EXPIRED.

SO I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PAYING THEM AS INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO NEGOTIATE WITH US TO END IT.

THAT IS THE CRAZIEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD.

IF YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO CHANGE SOMETHING, STOP PAYING THEM.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A BAD CONTRACTOR, COME OUT AND DO WORK ON YOUR HOUSE.

YOU DON'T KEEP PAYING HIM TO INCENTIVIZE HIM TO STOP WORK ON YOUR HOUSE.

YOU STOP PAYING THEM.

OKAY. THE FIRE SERVICES THING, WHEN WE STOP PAYING THAT AT WHATEVER POINT TOMORROW, NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER THEY'RE NOT TAKING ENGINE 55 AND RESCUE 55 AWAY FROM HERE.

IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 25.5 YEARS NOW.

AND ACTUALLY RESCUE 55 HAS BEEN THERE LONGER THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD, THEY'VE ALWAYS PROVIDED THE RESCUE SERVICES.

BUT THAT FIRE STATION IS SO INTEGRAL TO THE OVERALL JFRD PICTURE FOR EAST DUVAL COUNTY.

IT AIN'T GOING AWAY IF WE STOP PAYING IT.

THIS AMOUNTS TO OVER 5% OF OUR BUDGET, BUT IT'S 0.3 3/10.

0.3% OF THE BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

WE NEED TO GET AGGRESSIVE ON THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO MAYOR FORD AND COMMISSIONER BOLE A HARD FOUGHT CAMPAIGN.

IT WAS GRUELING ON THE TWO OF YOU, I KNOW.

AND TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, THOMAS GRANT, I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE SITTING IN YOUR SEAT.

AND YOU WILL MAKE DOC WALTERS YOUR PREDECESSOR, PROUD ON THAT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO MAKE THAT.

AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU, MR. HAROLD.

THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE.

THAT'S IT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? HEARING? YES.

ALBERT KERBER, 300 BLOCK OF FIRST STREET.

ADDRESSES ON FILE.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE ABOUT 30S TO TELL YOU THAT THE DOT THE PROJECT ON MAYPORT ROAD.

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IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE COMING OFF FLORIDA BOULEVARD.

I BELIEVE IF THEY DON'T SYNCHRONIZE LIGHTS AND REALLY THINK THIS OUT, IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL BOTTLENECK FOR THEM LEAVING IN THE MORNINGS TO GO WEST ON ATLANTIC.

I THINK THEY COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER DESIGN.

FOR THAT MATTER. THEY COULD PROBABLY JUST RECONFIGURE THEIR TRAFFIC LIGHTS SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T JUMP THE LIGHT WHEN THEY SEE THE GREENS UNDER THE OVERPASS.

I'VE DONE IT, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A PROBLEM THERE.

I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AND THEY KNOW ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE REGULARS TO THE INTERSECTION, AND THEY HAVE JUMPED THE LIGHT.

WHEN THEY SEE GREEN UNDER THE OVERPASS, YOU DON'T LOOK UP AND CHECK YOUR REDS ACROSS THE TOP.

THIS IS A DEAL WHERE THEY COULD PUT SHADES ON THE LIGHTS.

THEY COULD RECONFIGURE THEM. THEY COULD SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF NEPTUNE BEACH REALIZES WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO THEIR PEOPLE.

LEAVING TO GO WEST ON ATLANTIC IN THE MORNING.

THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE I HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS GOING TO CLOSE.

I BELIEVE THEY SAID DECEMBER 13TH.

NEPTUNE BEACH OUGHT TO BE AWARE OF IT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT TO THE ATTENTION.

AND HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY AT HOME WILL CALL THEIR FRIENDS IN NEPTUNE AND THEY WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THEY NEED TO HAVE INPUT ON THAT.

THEY NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KERBER. YES.

SARAH BOREN, I LIVE ON EIGHTH STREET IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

I AM JUST HERE TO BASICALLY SAY A HUGE THANK YOU TO STAFF AND YOU ALL.

I HAVE WORKED WITH A LOT OF CITIES.

AND RUN ACROSS SOME REALLY FANTASTIC STAFF.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT ATLANTIC BEACH REALLY BENEFITS FROM VERY HARD WORKING, EARNEST, PROFESSIONAL STAFF.

EVERYBODY I'VE WORKED WITH FROM THE CITY CLERK TO, OF COURSE, AMANDA AND HER STAFF HAVE JUST BEEN FABULOUS.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN RESPONSIVE TO, I'M SURE, MY NUMEROUS EMAILS AND CALLS.

SO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO, AND PARTICULARLY OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH STAFF.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MISS BORDEN.

OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS, WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS MR.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

AS YOU'LL SEE ON THIS 90 DAY CALENDAR, THIS IS THE FIRST IN WHICH WE'VE LISTED THE FOUR TOWN HALLS ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR REPORT. THE TWO ITEMS THAT I'LL HIGHLIGHT OVER THE NEXT 90 DAYS ARE THE LUMINARIA, WHICH IS DECEMBER 21ST, AND THE TOWN HALL.

THE TOWN HALL AT JORDAN COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS JANUARY 25TH AT 10:00.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO, MOVED. MOVED IN SECOND.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH I.

I. OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER WORDS? YES. I WANT TO ANNOUNCE TONIGHT I WILL FOLLOW IT UP WITH AN EMAIL.

PREVIOUSLY, I'D ISSUED AN EMAIL SAYING THAT I WOULD REVISIT THE TENNIS LEAGUE ISSUE IN DECEMBER.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD A STAFF TOWN HALL.

AND KIND OF LAID FORTH OUR VISION ON WHERE WE WOULD GO.

I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM THAT WAS VERY POSITIVE.

AND WE HAVE WE BEING KEVIN AND I THROUGH FORTUNE OF LUCK.

NOT NECESSARILY SKILL MANAGED TO CONNECT WITH THE US TENNIS ASSOCIATION AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WERE BUILDING UP AN ADVOCACY PROGRAM FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THEY INVITED US TO THEIR OTHER TALLAHASSEE ADVOCACY MEETING LAST THURSDAY AND PAID OUR WAY AND QUITE FRANKLY, FED ME BETTER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN FED AT ANY CONFERENCE OR MEETING BEFORE.

AND AS PART OF THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEY TENTATIVELY MADE COMMITMENTS TO FOR FREE.

COME AND GIVE US AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR COURTS AND OUR PROCESSES AND POTENTIAL PROGRAMS AND HOW WE COULD MAXIMIZE THAT.

THEY INTRODUCED US TO FUNDING MECHANISMS THEY HAVE FOR REFINISHING COURTS, FOR BUILDING NEW COURTS.

THEY INTRODUCED US TO THE FLORIDA SPORTS FOUNDATION, WHICH ALSO HAS MONEY FOR COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY ALSO DO DESIGN OF COURTS FOR FREE.

SO GIVEN ALL THAT AND THE FACT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO PARTNER AND WE DO NOW HAVE AN AMBASSADOR WITH THE UNITED STATES TENNIS ASSOCIATION,

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DURING THAT TIME, WE'LL GET THE ASSESSMENT FROM A USTA, WHICH WILL GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW TO GO FORWARD.

AND WHEN WE GET THAT, I BELIEVE THE ASSESSMENT ALSO INCLUDES KIND OF A COMMUNITY MEETING.

THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL UTILIZE THAT TO IMPLEMENT OUR PROGRAM AND GOING FORWARD.

SO LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO ALLOW THE TWO TENNIS LEAGUES TO CONTINUE ON THURSDAYS FROM I BELIEVE IT'S 9 TO 12 UNTIL THE END OF THIS SEASON.

AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT, I THINK IN GENERAL, THERE WILL BE LEAGUE PLAY.

THE TIMING OF WHEN THE LEAGUE PLAY WILL BE ALLOWED IS PROBABLY UP FOR DISCUSSION.

AND THEN WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR UP TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON AHERN STREET, AND THEN A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING.

SO THE AHERN STREET PROJECT, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

IT'S BEEN A PROJECT LONG IN COMING.

THIS IS THE SECTION OF AHERN BETWEEN EAST COAST AND OCEAN BOULEVARD.

IT'S THAT BLOCK DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RAGTIME PARKING LOT.

THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED IN OUR CONNECTIVITY PLAN, AND IT'S CONSIDERED A COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT.

IT WAS PHASE ONE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF ROLLER DERBY BUMPER CARS BACK THERE.

PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO, HOW TO PARK.

PEDESTRIANS JUST FELT UNSAFE.

SO WE HAVE THE 90% PLANS COMPLETED.

THE PLANS CALL FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC ON THE STREET WITH ANGLED PARKING.

THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

THERE'S ALSO A SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE AND A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THE SIDEWALKS ARE SIX FEET IN WIDTH.

THE SIDEWALKS WILL MATCH THE BRICKS AND THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER.

ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS WILL LOOK LIKE THAT.

A KIND OF A CONTINUATION.

COMMISSIONER BOLE CHALLENGED US TO LOOK AT STORMWATER, HE SAID.

WE SHOULD NOT CREATE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA.

SO WE ARE PUTTING SOME STORAGE UNDERGROUND UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN SOME VERY, VERY SMALL RAIN GARDENS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT WE'RE NOT CAPTURING, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY CAPTURING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE ARE PUTTING THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID.

THIS PROJECT WILL GO OUT TO BID FIRST QUARTER OF 2025.

WE DO ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION, HOPEFULLY STARTING NO LATER THAN THIRD QUARTER OF 2025.

SO WE'LL SEE MOVEMENT ON THIS PROJECT SOON.

OKAY, FOR THE NEXT UPDATE IS JUST BE ON THE LOOKOUT.

OUR FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE IN 2023, AND WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU.

IT WASN'T APPROVED IN 2023.

THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE IS REALLY TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND LIFE OF THE COMMUNITY AND LIVES OF THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE NO LOSS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PUBLIC PROPERTY DUE TO FLOODING.

YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT FEMA HAS A COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WHAT ALLOWS US TO GET DISCOUNTED FLOOD INSURANCE.

WITHOUT A FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE, YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM AND YOU DON'T GET THESE DISCOUNTED RATES.

AND 2020, WE WENT FROM A RATING OF 7 TO 6.

AND THE LOWER THE RATING, THE BETTER.

THIS SAVED OUR CITIZENS 20%.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE BACK TO YOU.

WE DO HAVE FREE CONSULTANTS WITH THE FLORIDA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THEY LOOK AT ORDINANCES AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

WE DO HAVE TO GET THIS ORDINANCE UPDATED IN ORDER TO STAY CURRENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM.

WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH AN AUDIT IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, SO WE WILL HAVE TO GET THIS UPDATED TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT REDUCTION IN OUR FLOOD INSURANCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO, WE'LL BE SEEING THAT SOON.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AMANDA.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 3.C OR THAT IS IT FOR THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS BEGINNING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

YOU MAY ASK, WHAT DOES BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY SPEND THEIR MONEY ON IF YOU LOOKED AROUND THERE?

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I THINK IT WAS A BIG UPGRADE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER $25,000 THAT CAME OUT OF THEIR COFFERS, NOT THE CITY'S TO PUT THAT STUFF UP THERE.

SO GOOD FOR THEM.

THAT'S SOMETHING.

COMMISSIONER GRANT.

NO. YEAH.

BRUCE, I DID SEE THAT. AND I TOOK NOTICE THAT IT WAS IT WAS LOOKED A LOT NICER AND ENHANCED.

SO, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS THERE.

JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

I GOT SOME COMMENTS FOR THE ORDINANCES THAT I RESERVED TILL THEN.

BUT I HAVE WALKED AROUND A LITTLE BIT THE CITY AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE DITCHES.

AND THE DITCHES, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, WORSE THAN I'VE EVER NOTICED UP, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON JUST MOUNDS OF DIRT AND SAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE DITCHES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, AS I WOULD IMAGINE, CERTAIN DEPTH TO CAPTURE THIS, THIS RUNOFF.

SO I'M HOPING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PLAN YOU KNOW, RFP OF SOME SORTS GOING OUT TO ADDRESS THE DITCHES.

AND THEN LASTLY, JUST COMPLIMENTS TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT UTILITIES GROUP.

MY WATER MAIN INTO MY HOUSE BURST.

TODAY. AND THEY WERE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT.

SO KUDOS TO THEM FOR A JOB WELL DONE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER KELLY, I GOT A QUESTION FOR A COUPLE DEPARTMENT HEADS.

FIRST ONE IS FOR CHIEF.

WE'VE HAD SOME SINCE THE ORDINANCE AGAINST SLEEPING IN PUBLIC.

HAVE WE HAD ANY INCIDENTS? AND DID WE NEED, DO WE NEED, DO WE STILL NEED TO HAVE COLD WEATHER? COLD WEATHER? SHELTERS.

ANY MAYOR AND COMMISSION? NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY INCIDENT.

HAVE WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY INCIDENTS OF SLEEPING IN PUBLIC? WE NEED TO USE THE ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE COLD WEATHER.

SHELTERS ARE STILL NEEDED.

THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WE FIND THAT ARE WITHOUT HOMES WHEN THE WEATHER GETS QUITE COLD.

SO THE ASSISTANCE WE GET FROM THE CHURCHES WHO ARE RUNNING THE SHELTERS, OR THE COUNTY IS HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. LIKE LAST YEAR, WE GAVE SOME MONEY FOR.

TOWARD WHAT? BLANKETS, WASN'T IT? WE GAVE. WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY DONATED SOME FUNDS OR IF IT CAME PRIVATELY TO THE SHELTERS THEMSELVES TO RUN THE SHELTERS AND KEEP THEM OPEN DURING COLD WEATHER.

IF WE DIDN'T DO IT LAST YEAR, I THINK WE DID IT THE YEAR WE HAD.

WE HAVE DONE, I THINK IT WAS FOR BLANKETS.

BUT SINCE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC, MAY I.

ABSOLUTELY. THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED TODAY THAT YOU RECEIVED, AND MR. KILLINGSWORTH FROM A GROUP THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT OUR ADMINISTRATION OF THE NEW LAW.

DO YOU RECALL SEEING THAT? WAS THAT FROM JACKSONVILLE BEACH? SOMEBODY IN JACKSONVILLE.

IT ACTUALLY EMANATED THROUGH MAYOR HOFFMAN'S OFFICE.

I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE.

SO I HOPE ONE OF ONE OR BOTH OF YOU CAN BE A PART OF THAT.

WE WILL PARTICIPATE.

YES. GREAT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SC AND AMANDA.

I NOTICED THAT WE'RE DOING ARBOR DAY ON 17TH JANUARY, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE COMMISSION MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

SO IS THERE ANY PLAN TO INCLUDE COMMISSIONERS ON THAT DAY ON THAT CELEBRATION? GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

YES. YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU.

IT'LL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE EVENT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE THERE'S A FLAG RAISING NEPTUNE BEACH, I MEAN, ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.

CHILDREN WILL BE INVITED.

THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME MORE ACTIVITIES.

WE HAVEN'T NAILED THOSE DOWN YET, BUT PLEASE HOLD YOUR CALENDARS FOR THE 17TH AT 9 A.M.

THANK YOU. BETTER BE WARM.

THIS ONE IS FOR, I GUESS, PUBLIC WORKS.

I NOTICED THE DESTRUCTION HAS BEGUN.

WITH THE DECEASED CEDAR TREE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEMINOLE AND ATLANTIC.

SO, IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD, BUT AT LEAST YOU DON'T HAVE A DEAD TREE THERE.

SO, DO WE HAVE PLANS FOR MOVING THAT ALONG? ACTUALLY, THAT IS I THINK AMANDA IS WORKING ON THAT, OR I BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, AMANDA, WE'RE ALSO REPLACING THE SIGN THERE.

CORRECT. I DON'T THINK SEMINOLE AND ATLANTIC.

SEMINOLE. OH. THAT'S SEMINOLE.

I WAS THINKING, ACTUALLY, RIGHT OVER HERE AT PLAZA.

YES, WE ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST TALKING TO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TODAY.

WE DO HAVE SOME SITE TRIANGLE ISSUES THAT WE'RE WORKING OUT.

AND WE HAVE LOCATED A SURVEY WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO.

WE ARE HOPING TO USE TREE FUNDS TO PLANT A COUPLE TREES.

IT'S GOING TO BE FURTHER BACK FROM THE INTERSECTION SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.

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YES, THAT'S ON OUR TO DO LIST.

IT'S BEEN ON MY TO DO LIST FOR SEVEN YEARS.

AND THAT YES, TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THE SIGN IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RELOCATED, I GUESS KIND OF TO THE NORTH A LITTLE BIT.

SO IT STAYS OUT OF THAT SIGHT LINE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE.

AND THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES THAT WE APPROVED WAS THE REPORT FROM THE FLOOR FOR LAUREN FLORENTINO GROUP.

YES. AND I, I JUST KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE VAGUE.

AND THEY WERE BRAGGING ON STUFF THAT HAPPENED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AT FINDING A LOBBYIST THAT'S MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING OUT AN RFP TO, IN PARTICULAR TO FIND A LOBBYIST THAT CAN HELP US WITH LOBBYING THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND LOBBYING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE STATE.

THAT WE WILL PROBABLY ASSUMING FLORENTINO DOESN'T WIN THE RFP GOING FORWARD, THEY WILL STILL PROBABLY BE THIS SESSION BECAUSE WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE SOMETHING OUT FOR THIS SESSION.

AND THEN DEPENDING UPON THE RESPONSES WE GET TO THE RFP WE PUT OUT WILL DEPEND ON WHO THAT IS.

RIGHT? SO COULD WE AS A GROUP, GIVE THEM MORE SPECIFIC WANTS? YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT THEY DID THE BEST WAS THE AQUATIC GARDENS MONEY.

BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE USED SUPPORT FROM.

AND THEY, THEY HAVEN'T, LIKE, RAISED THEIR HAND AND SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO DO THIS, OR WE COULD GET THIS FOR YOU.

I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE HAVING A PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A WORKSHOP WHERE THE COMMISSION TAKES THEM DIRECTLY.

I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL SHUT UP NOW.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER RING? LAST WEEK WAS A BUSY WORK WEEK FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS.

IT STARTED OFF WITH MONDAY NIGHT'S VIRTUAL MEETING THAT WAS HOSTED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

I DID ATTEND THAT MEETING.

AND THEN TUESDAY, THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN, WHICH I'M STILL WAITING ON THAT RECORDING TO BE POSTED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WEDNESDAY, THE THE IN-PERSON MEETING FOR FDOT.

THE BIG TAKEAWAYS I HAD AND HEARD FROM CITIZENS ONE.

THE SPEED LIMIT WILL ONLY BE REDUCED FROM ATLANTIC BOULEVARD TO SEVENTH STREET NORTH.

SO IN ESSENCE, FROM THE FLYOVER RIGHT WHERE THE FLYOVER IS.

AND THEN WHEN IT DUMPS IN HEADING NORTH, IT IS THEN 40 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THAT WAS A THAT HAD MY CRAWL A LOT BECAUSE I THINK THE ISSUE CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DUTTON ISLAND ROAD WEST.

AND I THINK A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS WERE REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE GOLF CARTS WERE GOING TO BE ALLOWED ON MAYPORT, AND ALSO THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE SAFER BY REDUCING THAT, THAT SPEED.

SO I DEFINITELY MADE MY COMMENTS KNOWN REGARDING THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, BUFFERS, LANDSCAPING BUFFERS.

I DID HEAR A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE.

ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU HAVE THE MULTI-PURPOSE PATH AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING GO IN.

I KNOW I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO BOTH SIDES? BECAUSE FROM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S PROPOSALS, NOTHING ASIDE FROM THE BIKE PATH IS BEING PROPOSED TO THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD, AND IT STILL DOES NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF CROSSING MAYPORT ROAD, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MAYPORT ROAD IS SUCH A DANGEROUS ROAD IS THE CROSSING OF IT.

SO I DID SUBMIT MY COMMENTS.

THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORD ON THE VIRTUAL MEETING FOR FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, BUT THOSE WERE MY BIG TAKEAWAYS.

I DON'T THINK I'VE MISSING ANYTHING ASIDE FROM THE LANDSCAPING AND THE AND THE CROSSING.

I DID BRING UP A WALKOVER.

A GIRL CAN DREAM.

A WALKOVER IS VERY COSTLY, IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL, BUT THAT WOULD BE A THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR MY CONSTITUENTS ON THE WEST SIDE TO BE ABLE TO WALK SAFELY ACROSS MAYPORT ROAD.

BUT AT LEAST IF I CAN'T GET THAT, THAT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WALKWAY THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME WELL LIT CROSSWALKS AT

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I THINK THE REDUCTION IN LANES WILL HELP SOME, BUT I DON'T I DID NOT SEE A LOT IN THE FDOT PROPOSAL REGARDING CROSSING THOSE FOUR WAYS.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SHARE.

THAT'S IT. OKAY.

SOUNDS LIKE A GRANT REQUEST THROUGH FIORENTINO.

I DON'T KNOW. COULD BE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I'LL KIND OF FINISH IT OUT.

AND I APOLOGIZE TO CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH BECAUSE I DIDN'T PREP YOU ON THIS, BUT IS THERE ANY NEWS ON THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SETTING THAT NEXT MEETING? THERE IS NOT.

SO I'VE ASKED JASON IF HE COULD GET WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND SEE IF WE CAN'T ESCALATE THAT.

AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE MIGHT ASK YOU TO GET WITH THE MAYOR AND ESCALATE THAT.

BUT I AM NOT GETTING A RESPONSE FOR A TIME OR A DATE TO MEET AGAIN.

SO FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, IF YOU'RE IF YOU DON'T RECALL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMITTEE OF FOUR INTERFACING WITH DOJ.

THIS IS NOW A ONE YEAR PROJECT THAT HAS PRODUCED VERY LITTLE.

VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.

MY ASK, IS THAT JASON GABRIEL, TAKE THIS ON WITH A REPORT BACK NO LATER THAN THE 24TH OF THIS MONTH SO THAT I CAN THEN ENGAGE BEFORE YEAR END, AND I WANT THE COMMISSION TO BACK ME ON THIS.

I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

AND I'M GOING TO ENGAGE THE THE MAYOR OF JACKSONVILLE DIRECTLY IF WE DON'T GET A RESPONSE.

YES, BUT I THOUGHT I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A MEETING ABOUT THE FIRE STATION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO. WELL, THE THE ILA WOULD.

RIGHT. BUT ISN'T THERE A MEETING IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THE FIRE, ABOUT THE FIRE STATION, OUR BILL COMING UP, ABOUT THE BILL COMING UP.

I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEM LOOKING AT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR PAYING OUR BILL, I GUESS.

CORRECT. THAT'S PART OF THE ILA DISCUSSION.

SO THE SAME DISCUSSION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PLAN MEETING I WAS WRONG.

NO THANKS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LAST ACTION AND I WON'T GO INTO DATES WAS A REQUEST BY COJ TO MARK UP THE EXISTING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE, OR WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE CHANGED.

THAT WAS DONE BY MR. KILLINGSWORTH SOME TIME AGO.

IT HAS BEEN IN THEIR COURT AND STAYED IN THEIR COURT, AND IT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'VE ONLY MADE ONE OUTREACH TO YOU TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT.

BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FURTHER MEETING.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN STONEWALLED BECAUSE OF BUDGETS.

I THINK WE'VE NOW BEEN STONEWALLED TWO YEARS ON BUDGETS ON THIS VERY ISSUE.

BUT GO AHEAD. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PROVIDED THE WRITE UP ON THE ILA WAS THE SAME TIME THEY WERE DEALING WITH THE STADIUM. YEAH.

AND THEN AFTER THE STADIUM, IT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD BENEFITS LEGISLATION THAT THEY WERE PASSING.

AND THEN IT WAS THE BUDGET.

I THINK ALL OF THOSE WERE RATIONAL REASONS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE DOJ SIDE.

BUT THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, AND WE'RE NOW APPROACHING MID-DECEMBER, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET A MEET DATE.

YOU WERE SITTING NEXT TO ME WHEN I ENGAGED OUR AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? THEY DODGED THAT ONE.

AND ONE THING THEY TOLD ME.

I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT.

THEY SAID ONE OF THE REASONS WE PAY OUR TAXES IS THAT WE CAN USE THE COURTHOUSE.

REMEMBER, HE SAID THAT DIRECTLY.

IF YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK, COURTHOUSES MAKE MONEY.

RIGHT. BUT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WE HAVE TO ENGAGE OUR OUR AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YOU KNOW, RORY DIAMOND.

ET CETERA. ET CETERA.

BECAUSE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW.

WELL, BUT AT THIS POINT, THIS IS A AN ACTIVITY WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL.

ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD INVOLVE THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY PASSAGE, BUT.

YEAH, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIRST GET A DIALOG GOING.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DIALOG GOING WITH DOJ, AND I'M ON THE RECORD.

I'M EMBARRASSED AS THE MAYOR BECAUSE IT'S A COMMITMENT I MADE TO THE CITIZENS AND IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

SO MY ONLY ASK IS, CAN I GET A COMMITMENT SO I DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW UP THAT BY THE 24TH? YOU'VE GIVEN ME A RESPONSE THAT EITHER PUTS THE BALL IN MY COURT OR SAYS WHAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO DO.

SURE, I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE ON THE CALL HERE.

I WILL REACH OUT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND I'M ABSOLUTELY GET YOU A RESPONSE BEFORE THE 24TH.

GREAT. THANK YOU. REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS.

YEAH, I KNOW IT COULD BE A IN YOUR COURT, BUT I'LL TAKE THAT.

I'LL TAKE IT ON. YES.

AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT US HAVING TO PAY FOR THEIR GARBAGE CONTRACT AND THAT DEFICIT.

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OH, LOVELY. WELL, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.

NO, COJ REIMBURSES US FOR THE COMPONENT THAT WE'RE PAYING.

OKAY. TO PROVIDE THAT WHETHER IT'S EQUITABLE.

THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. I GUESS THAT'S AN EQUITABLE BETTER WORD.

YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING TO ITEM EIGHT.

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 24-58]

ITEM EIGHT A RESOLUTION.

NUMBER 24. DASH 58A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FEMA BRICK GRANT TO PURCHASE A GENERATOR FOR THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION.

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS THE GENERATOR ON 20TH STREET, WHICH IS FUNDED THROUGH A FEMA GRANT THAT WE PUT OUT THREE QUOTES.

THE LOWEST QUOTE WAS $65,000 FOR A 50 KILOWATT, WHICH INCLUDED THE WEATHERPROOFING CLOSURE.

YOU WILL SEE ON THE NEXT RESOLUTION THAT THE QUOTE FOR 60 KILOWATT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THIS.

BUT I BELIEVE, TROY, IN THE END, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE ENCLOSURE.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS 65,000, WHEN THEY SUBTRACT THE BUILDING WILL END UP BEING ABOUT 56,000 AND OR THE ENCLOSURE, RATHER NOT THE BUILDING.

AND SO THE QUOTES WILL BE MORE.

THE ACTUAL PRICE WE'RE GOING TO PAY IS WOULD BE MORE EQUITABLE.

OF THAT 56,000, 75% OF IT IS REIMBURSED BY FEMA.

I WILL SAY THAT I OWE AN APOLOGY TO COMMISSIONER BOLE BECAUSE HE CALLED AND ASKED, IS THIS THE ONE IN WHICH WE VOTED DOWN THE ROAD? AND I SAID, NO, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A REPLACEMENT ONE, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE.

MY MIND WAS FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT DESPITE MY DIRECT ORDER BY TO TROY NOT TO BREAK ANY MORE EQUIPMENT, HE CONTINUES TO BREAK PUMPS.

NOT HE PERSONALLY, BUT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER OUR PUMPS ARE GRADUALLY FAILING ON US.

SO THIS IS INDEED THE ONE IN WHICH WE DID NOT.

THE COMMISSION CHOSE NOT TO PAVE THE ROAD BACK TO THIS LIFT STATION.

WE COULD NOT MOVE THE GRANT TO A DIFFERENT LIFT STATION, SO IT WAS EITHER PURCHASE THE GENERATOR OR LOSE THE GRANT.

THE GENERATOR DOES STILL ADD VALUE.

WE'LL HAVE IT THERE. IT WILL KICK ITSELF ON IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN SERVICE IT WITH THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, WE WILL IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RAINSTORM AND THE WE FEEL THE SHOULDER IS IN DANGER OF COLLAPSING.

IF WE TAKE HEAVY EQUIPMENT BACK THERE, THEN WE WON'T SERVICE IT.

AND THEN. BUT IN ANY EVENT, WE WILL BE BETTER OFF HAVING THE GENERATOR THAN NOT HAVING THE GENERATOR.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION 24 DASH 58, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND ASSOCIATED PURCHASE ORDER WITH RING POWER.

OKAY, ONE MORE QUESTION.

CAN WE GET A MOTION FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DISCUSSION.

I MOVE WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2458 AS READ.

SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

AND TROY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME UP BECAUSE WE GOT QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

YES, SIR. JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

WE WE VOTED THAT DOWN 3 TO 2, IF I REMEMBER PROPERLY, TO EXTEND THE ROAD THERE.

RIGHT. IS THE GENERATOR BETTER AT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, OR WOULD IT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO BE FOR THAT ROAD TO BE TO SERVE THE SERVICE ROAD? I'LL CALL IT THE EXTENSION OF THE 20TH STREET DOES NOT HAVE A GENERATOR AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT. SO THIS WAS A THIS IS A FLOOD, ONE OF THE FLOOD AREAS.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED TO PUT A GENERATOR IN THAT AREA.

SO IS I GUESS THE ROAD ISSUE IS DEAD THEN.

BECAUSE I CAN'T BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I VOTED AGAINST IT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THERE'S A THERE'S THE ONE YEAR THING.

APPLY TO THIS FOR THE ROAD.

OR CAN IT JUST BE SOMEBODY ELSE? WE REINTRODUCE IT.

I MEAN IT'S A DIFFERENT BILL.

SO YEAH, IT CAN BE INTRODUCED AND SOMEONE HAS VOTED ONE WAY DOESN'T ISN'T, YOU KNOW, FORECLOSED FROM VOTING ANOTHER WAY.

OKAY. MY GOAL IS JUST THE MOST EFFICIENT, BEST USE OF THE CITY.

AND YOU GUYS CAME AND TOLD US THE THING TO DO WAS TO SERVICE.

THAT WAS TO EXTEND THE THAT WAS TWO DIFFERENT JOBS.

SO THE, THE, THE BULKHEAD WAS TO IMPROVE THE ROAD RIGHT TO THE GENERATOR, TO SERVICE GENERATOR IN THE FUTURE.

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RIGHT. SO THAT'S NO LONGER IN OUR BUDGET.

BUT THE GENERATOR WAS THAT WAS ANOTHER LINE ITEM.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

YEAH, I WILL SAY SO. WE'VE CROSSED THE BUDGET THRESHOLD.

SO WE DID NOT BUDGET THE ROAD THIS YEAR.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANKS. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT IN THERE? THEY CAN GET IT IN THERE.

THE PROBLEM WAS WHAT WE WERE THINKING.

IF WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO SERVICE IT.

IT MAY BE A PROBLEM.

IT'S A NARROW ROAD IN A VERY LITTLE TURNAROUND AREA.

SO THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THERE TO SERVICE IT.

BUT THEY HAVE ASSURED US THEY CAN GET IT IN THERE, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. YES. SO THE ISSUE ISN'T SO MUCH GETTING EQUIPMENT BACK THERE.

IT'S GETTING EQUIPMENT BACK THERE.

IF THE GROUND IS SATURATED WITH WATER BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A DITCH.

AND SO IF THE GROUND SATURATED WITH WATER AND WE RUN HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON IT, WE'RE AFRAID THE SHOULDER WILL SLOUGH OFF INTO THE DITCH.

SO I I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT EXPLANATION.

I WASN'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT I, I'M REAL SIMPLE.

DO WE ANYBODY REMEMBER THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO BE SPENT ON THE BULKHEAD AND THE.

PARDON? NO, IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.

YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS A IT WAS EXPENSIVE.

IT WAS, IT WAS UP THERE.

SO I'M WILLING INCLUDED.

NOT THE ROAD SO MUCH, BUT THE BULKHEADING.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AS ONE COMMISSIONER ONE OUT OF FIVE, I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE WON'T SERVICE THAT GENERATOR IF THE GROUND IS SOGGY.

AND WE'LL JUST DEAL WITH IT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE STORM EVENT AND THE GROUND IS SOGGY, THAT'S THE WRONG TIME TO BE SERVICING THAT GENERATOR ANYWAYS.

OKAY, IT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN SERVICE PROPERLY, AND WE SHOULD BE FILLED WITH FUEL TO RUN IT.

SO HERE'S MY ONLY QUESTION ON IT IS HAVE WE YET LOOKED AT PUTTING IN A GAS LINE FROM THE GENERATOR LOCATION TO 20TH STREET SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN RUN A GAS TRUCK DOWN THAT ROAD? WE HAVE NOT.

CAN WE DO THAT? WE COULD LOOK AT I MEAN, WE CAN.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THE.

YOU WOULD JUST WANT TO RUN A GAS LINE FROM.

OKAY, WE IT'S THE ENTRANCE ROAD TO THE GENERATOR.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT OF WAY.

OR ACTUALLY, THAT'S AN EASEMENT.

SOME OF IT. I'M SORRY, IT'S AN EASEMENT.

AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF IT IS RIGHT OF WAY ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 20TH.

SO IF I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, COULD WE EXPLORE IF THERE WAS A GAS CONNECTION AT THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AT 20TH, WOULD THAT ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR TRUCKS TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD TO TO SERVICE IT FOR FUEL? NOW ALL WE'RE DEALING WITH IS TRUCKS THAT NEED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD TO SERVICE THE EQUIPMENT, AND WE STILL HAVE A NEED FOR TRUCKS TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD TO SERVICE THE STATE, THE LIFT STATION.

SO WE RIGHT.

BUT I BELIEVE IF, IF, IF I CAN JUMP AHEAD THE ISSUE IS THE TRUCKS BIGGER THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY BIGGER TO SERVICE THE ACTUAL GENERATOR TO SERVICE PUMPS IN THERE.

NO, REALLY.

BUT. BUT IF IT'S TO SERVICE PUMPS.

I'VE NOT YET HEARD THAT WE NEEDED TO BULKHEAD THAT DITCH AND RE AND WIDEN THAT ROAD TO SERVICE AN ALREADY EXISTING PUMP THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO DECADES. IT HAS.

SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IS THIS CRITICAL? BECAUSE OF A BIG PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO FALL IN THE DITCH.

AND IT NEVER WAS CRITICAL BEFORE AND NEVER HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE PEOPLE'S MONEY.

AND I'M NOT WILLING TO SPEND $750,000 ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN WE COULD GO HARDEN A LOT MORE FACILITIES IN THIS CITY FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY. INCLUDING GENERATORS, BY THE WAY, I DO HAVE AN ASK IF YOU WOULD TAKE THIS ONE AWAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ALL OF THE LIFT STATIONS IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, AND WHICH ONES DO HAVE GENERATORS AND WHICH ONES DON'T.

WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR HARDENING ALL OF THEM, WHETHER ITS ADDING GENERATORS ARE LIFTING THEM LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT.

IS ONE OF THESE BEING LIFTED? NO, IT WAS ANOTHER ONE.

YEAH. THIS ONE'S A NEW INSTALL.

SO THIS ONE WOULD BE LIFTED.

IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN.

SO IT WOULD BE ELEVATED.

THE GENERATOR. WELL, THE GENERATOR WOULD BE, BUT I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT LIFTING EITHER LIFTING THE LIFT STATION OR WATERPROOFING IT TO WHERE THE FLOODWATERS COULDN'T GET IN AND PUTTING SOME OF THESE PUMPS IN THE WET WELLS THEMSELVES.

SO I WOULD SO APPRECIATE HAVING A FULL OUTLINE OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY, WHAT WE WANT AND THE PRIORITY ORDER.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT INTERNALLY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

SO BUT TONIGHT WE'RE VOTING ON A GENERATOR.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO I'VE SAID MY PIECE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, BUT YEAH, WE'RE VOTING ON A GENERATOR TONIGHT.

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WHAT'S THAT? DELTA.

SO THE ONE THAT WAS QUOTED FOR 20TH STREET.

YES. I BELIEVE IT'S A 50 KW.

RIGHT. WITH AN ENCLOSURE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE.

RIGHT. THE ONE THAT'S QUOTED FOR PALM AVENUE, WHICH IS THE NEXT RESOLUTION, WAS MISQUOTED ORIGINALLY WITH A COVER.

YES. BUT THAT'S A REPLACEMENT THAT GOES INSIDE OF A BUILDING.

IT DOESN'T NEED A COVER.

SO THE REAL PRICE ON THE SECOND ONE, IT WAS CLOSER TO $56,000 THAN WHAT WAS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU SAYING 65,000. OKAY, SO THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN OR.

NO, NO, NO, I THINK I THINK BILL MAY HAVE JUMBLED THOSE BACK, THOSE TOGETHER JUST WHILE HE WAS DISCUSSING IT.

OKAY. SO LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE GOT TWO RESOLUTIONS.

TWO GENERATORS. YES.

RIGHT. ONE'S A REPLACEMENT.

ONE'S A BRICK FUNDED.

SO. I'M SORRY, BUT I GOT TO GO.

COMMISSIONER. WELL, OKAY.

I'LL HIT ONE MORE THING I NOTICED IN THE ONE BIT.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THEM.

THE ACCEPTED BID IS RING POWER IN THE OTHER ONE.

RING POWER WAS ACTUALLY IN THIRD POSITION.

ALTHOUGH THE FIRST AND BEST BID COULDN'T DELIVER FOR SOME NUMBER OF MONTHS OUT INTO THE FUTURE.

SO, IT TOOK THE SECOND BID.

AND I'M WONDERING, DO WE NOT GET BETTER RESULTS BIDDING MULTIPLE GENERATORS AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS PIECEMEAL? IT'S ALL ABOUT AVAILABILITY.

OKAY. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT KW GENERATORS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RING POWER.

ACTUALLY, ON THE SECOND RESOLUTION, WE TALK ABOUT THAT ONE AT PALM AVENUE.

YES. I THINK WE'RE JUMBLING ALL THIS TOGETHER.

WE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP RESOLUTIONS APART.

THE PALM THE PALM AVENUE IS A REPLACEMENT GENERATOR.

RING POWER ACTUALLY QUOTED A LARGER THAN WHAT WE NEEDED BECAUSE AVAILABILITY.

SO THAT QUOTE FROM RING POWER FOR PALM AVENUE, WHICH IS THE SECOND RESOLUTION.

YES, THEY QUOTED 100 KW BECAUSE OF AVAILABILITY.

AND THAT WAS THROUGH RING POWER.

THAT WAS RING POWER. THE WINNING BID.

THE FIRST ONE.

THE FIRST RESOLUTION.

WE DID GO WITH RING POWER BECAUSE THEY KNOW I UNDERSTAND AND I'M SORRY I GOT TO TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO INFLUENCE MY VOTE TONIGHT.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE WE ACCEPTED THE SECOND BID.

WERE THEY ALSO CONSTRAINED BY AVAILABILITY MEANING WE NEEDED TO GO WITH THE LARGER GENERATOR.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

WE WENT WITH THE SECOND LOWEST BID ON THIS ON THE SECOND RESOLUTION.

PALM AVENUE, THE TRADEWINDS.

YES. BECAUSE AVAILABILITY THEY WEREN'T THE CHEAPEST.

RIGHT. BUT THEY COULD GET THE GENERATOR THERE QUICKER, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET THE SMALLER GENERATOR THERE QUICKER.

THAT WOULD HAVE COST LESS.

YEAH. THERE'S A BAT I THINK IS THE ONE THAT HAD THE 24-48 WEEKS LEAD TIME, RIGHT? WE COULDN'T GO WITH THEM.

WE CAN'T WAIT TWO YEARS FOR THAT.

I GOT THAT PART, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER EACH ONE OF THEM WAS SAYING THAT THEY HAD TO GO WITH THE 60 KW, BECAUSE THE 50 KW WERE NOT.

NO, NO, NO, THE 50 THE 50 WON'T WORK AT PALM AVENUE.

OKAY, NOW YOU'RE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.

WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT NEEDS.

WE DO. THANK YOU. THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT SIZED PUMPS AND EVERYTHING.

I SUSPECTED THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOOD.

SORRY. SO, COMMISSIONER.

I'M SORRY I WENT WRONG. YEAH.

THAT'S OKAY. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PUMPS ARE WITHOUT GENERATORS TODAY? AND I KNOW WE ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT WE HAVE A ROUNDABOUT NUMBER.

WE'VE GOT 32 LIFT STATIONS OUT THERE ON THE CITY OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS AS WELL.

RIGHT. I'D SAY MORE THAN HALF HAVE GENERATORS IN THEM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MORE THAN HALF. AND I CAN GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER.

NO, NO. OKAY. I JUST I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A BALLPARK.

DO WE HAVE OR DID WE HAVE ANY EPA FINDABLE EVENTS DURING THOSE STORMS THAT WERE, WHERE WE LOST POWER, WHICH IS DRIVING, YOU KNOW, THIS REASONING FOR PUTTING IN GENERATORS? WE DID. WE HAD AN OVERFLOW AT PALM AVENUE.

WE DID. WE DID ANY OTHER LOCATION? THERE WAS ONE ON THE OTHER.

THERE WAS ANOTHER SEWER SPILL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD.

OKAY. JUST NORTH OF LEVY THERE.

AND HOW FAR BACK DID THAT HAPPEN, TOO? JUST DURING THOSE RAIN EVENTS THAT WE HAD, WHAT, THREE WEEKS OF RAIN? OKAY. SO OKAY, THAT WAS THE THAT THAT STRESS JUST MORE THAN THE HURRICANE.

YEAH, SURE. SO, WE YEAH, WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE, SO I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR GENERATORS.

I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL PUMPS THAT COULD BE EXPOSED TO A, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE RAIN AND ANOTHER EPA FINAL EVENT.

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YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACTUALLY NAMED 14 OTHER SITES THAT ARE IN FLOOD PLAIN THAT REALLY NEED A GENERATOR.

YES. OR FLOOD PROOFING IN THAT SORT.

SO, OKAY, WE'VE GOT 15 OTHER ONES THAT ARE VULNERABLE SITES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DUE TO WATER, YOU KNOW, RISE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. HAS ANY OF THOSE LOCATIONS YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME FOR BEING, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING, BUT HAS ANY OF THOSE LOCATIONS, LIKE THE PUMP FAILED AND CREATED A SIGNIFICANT FLOODING EVENT IN THOSE AREAS.

NO, MOST OF THEM ARE JUST WHERE THEY'RE AT.

BUT I MEAN, TO THE POINT THAT IT GOT INTO SOMEONE'S HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THAT.

OKAY. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THAT.

BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T LIKE ANY SEWER SPILL.

NO, NO STATE DOESN'T LIKE ANY SEWER SPILL.

SURE. NOBODY DOES.

NOBODY DOES. ALRIGHT.

SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE US, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

LET'S GET THESE GENERATORS.

BUT WE OUGHT TO START LOOKING AT JUST FIXING THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT ALL TIES INTO, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT WE'RE ALL FOR. SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD.

WELL, THIS WE'RE DEALING WITH SEWER, NOT STORMWATER.

SO. RIGHT.

I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WANT TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE RIGHT THING.

MR. KELLY. SO WE HAD A VULNERABILITY STUDY DONE, AND WE HAVE A PRIORITIZED LIST OF THE MOST VULNERABLE LOCATIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS AQUATIC GARDENS, BUT IT ALSO PRIORITIZED WHICH OF THE LIFT STATIONS WERE AT THE MOST RISK OF FLOODING.

SO WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT AND STEVE HAD PROJECTED IT AT, WHAT, TEN YEARS? AND I DON'T I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY FOUR YEARS INTO IT NOW.

BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE DONE THAT.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED THEM WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO, TO FIX, I MEAN, WE PRIORITIZE THEM BASED ON THE, THE, THE RESULTS.

AND WE'RE WORKING.

HE'S WORKING THROUGH THEM, AND I MIGHT ADD, THE SECOND ONE, THE PALM AVENUE ONE.

IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE 20TH STREET ONE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT PALM AVENUE, AND THEY WERE BOTH DOING A IN NEED BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH IN FLOOD ZONES, THE PALM AVENUE ONE, THERE WAS A GENERATOR THERE AND IT FAILED.

YEAH. WHICH IS WHAT CAUSED THE, THE SEWER DISCHARGE.

AND SO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT GENERATOR.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PORTABLE THERE, BUT WE CAN'T LEAVE THE PORTABLE THERE ALL THE TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

VERY EDUCATIONAL.

YOU WANT ME TO STAY? YOU WANT ME TO STAY RIGHT HERE? YOU MIGHT WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR A MINUTE.

BUT IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO 8.B RESOLUTION NUMBER 24-59 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT GENERATOR AT THE PALM

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 24-59]

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THIS IS THE PALM AVENUE ONE, WHICH IS A REPLACEMENT GENERATOR FOR ONE THAT FAILED.

THE SECOND LOWEST QUOTE WAS FROM TRADEWINDS.

IT'S 57. 929.

WE ARE HAVING TO REALLOCATE ALMOST $8,000 FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES ACCOUNT FOR 105506535-4600 INTO PUBLIC UTILITIES ACCOUNT FOR 105506535 6300 FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT.

PW 20 506.

AGAIN, THIS IS TO REPLACE AN EXISTING PUMP THAT FAILED DUE TO AGE.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND ASSOCIATED PURCHASE ORDER AND APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024-59.

I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-59.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

QUESTIONS FOR TROY.

I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.

SO THANK YOU, GUY.

WHAT HE WANTS? YEAH.

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AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, TROY.

YEAH. MOVING TO ITEM 8.C RESOLUTION, NUMBER 24-60.

[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 24-60]

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. THIS AMENDMENT DOESN'T CHANGE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO US.

IT JUST CHANGES WHAT THE $100,000 WILL BE USED FOR THOUGH, AS OPPOSED TO US DOING 100,000 AND THEY DOING 100,000 FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE TWO CLUBS, THEY WILL DO THE $200,000 OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE TWO CLUBS, AND THEN WE WILL PROVIDE $100,000 ONCE THEY DO THAT FOR OPERATIONS. IT PROVIDES SOME EFFICIENCIES IN AND GETTING THE WORK DONE TO DO THIS.

AND THEREFORE THE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 24 DASH 60.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE WE ARE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 DASH 62ND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

I. OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

MOVING TO 8 TO 9.

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-24-176, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

ITEM 9.A ORDINANCE.

NUMBER 20-24-176.

PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

OKAY. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS A THE I BELIEVE IT'S THE SECOND HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

WHAT THIS IS, IS THAT $100,000 FOR THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT? IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE LAST TIME ON THE FIRST HEARING WE DIDN'T HAVE A COMMITMENT ON WHEN THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WAS GOING TO DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR TWO CLUBS.

WE HAD HAD THE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET.

AND RATHER THAN PUTTING IN THE MONEY FOR OUR BUDGET AND HAVING NO TIMELINE ON WHEN IT MIGHT GET SPENT OR MIGHT NOT GET SPENT I DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT. AND OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY DECIDED IT WAS URGENT FOR THEM TO DO THE WORK.

AND SO THIS IS TO APPROPRIATE THE $100,000 THAT THE CITY HAS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING.

THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS A $60,000 TO REPLACE THE UNPROGRAMMED.

I GUESS ALL PUMP FAILURES ARE UNPROGRAMMED, BUT WE HAD A PUMP FAILURE AT THE WATER PLANT, AND THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THE PUMP IS $60,000.

AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-176.

THANK YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE DO NOT.

OKAY. THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-176.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION. NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

MOVING TO 9.B.

[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 58-24-47, Introduction and First Reading]

INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION.

ARTICLE SIX EMPLOYEE BENEFITS DIVISION THREE GENERAL EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

SECTION 2-2 66 BENEFIT AMOUNTS AND ELIGIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, DURING THE BUDGET TIME, WE DISCUSSED THE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR PROVIDING A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT TO OUR TWO PENSIONS, BOTH THE GENERAL AND THE POLICE.

THIS FIRST ONE IS AN ORDINANCE WHICH WOULD ENACT THE CONSENSUS AT THAT TIME, WHICH WOULD BE 3% FOR EACH FIVE FULL YEARS OF

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BUT THE FIRST YEAR IS $108,000 INCREASE IN OUR FEE AND OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PENSION PLAN.

AGAIN, THIS WAS THE CONSENSUS AT THE TIME WE WERE DOING BUDGET, AND THIS WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ENACT IT.

THEREFORE, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 5824-47.

OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 5824 DASH 47.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

HOW COMPETITIVE IS THIS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL BEACH PLANS FOR THEIR DEPARTMENTS? SO TWO THINGS. THE EMPLOYEE PENSION PLAN IS CLOSED, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW GENERAL EMPLOYEES ON THE PENSION PLAN.

OUR PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE ANY COST OF LIVING RAISE BUILT INTO IT AT ALL.

SO IT'S DONE PERIODICALLY THROUGH COMMISSION APPROVAL.

I KNOW AT LEAST THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE PLAN HAS A BUILT IN CPI OKAY, INTO THE PROGRAM, SO IT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY.

IT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE FOURTH YEAR UNDER THE PENSION.

AND THEN IT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY ANNUALLY FOR THE PENSION YEAR AFTER THAT.

IT'S CPI OR 3%, WHICHEVER IS LESS FOR COLLEGE.

SO, OKAY. SO, IN GENERAL, WE ARE COMPETITIVE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ATTRACT THE RIGHT TALENT.

WELL, THIS IS CLOSED.

IT'S CLOSED.

THIS IS EMPLOYEES THAT SERVED WITH US FOR 20 PLUS YEARS AND ARE NOW RECEIVING A PENSION FOR US.

OKAY. SO, THE NEW EMPLOYEES HAVE A DEFINED CONTRIBUTION.

THEY DEFINE THEY CONTRIBUTE A FIXED AMOUNT THAT GOES INTO A PUBLIC SECTOR EQUIVALENT OF A 401K, AND THEY MANAGE THEIR OWN PROGRAM.

I GOT YOU. THIS THIS IS A DEFINED BENEFIT PROGRAM WHICH IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

OKAY. YEAH.

AND IF I MAY JUST TO CLARIFY SO THAT YOU'RE REALLY CLEAR THIS IS NOT A MANDATE FOR THE CITY TO DO IT.

IT IS A VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE TYPE OF THING.

BECAUSE WE WON'T LOSE ANY EMPLOYEES IF WE FAIL TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS OR WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO SO.

BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

HAVE WE EVER GIVEN A COLA? WE HAVE.

ON THIS ON THIS. IT WAS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.

NOT MY MEMORY. IT WAS IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER SEVERAL 20 YEARS BACK.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT A LONG TIME.

A WHILE. YEAH. SO, I, FOR ONE, AM IN SUPPORT OF IT BECAUSE IF WE, IF IT HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED PROPERLY YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE HAD SOME SORT OF COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.

IT DID NOT.

AND SO WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN INFLATION, IT JUST MAKES SENSE THAT WE DO SOMETHING, ALTHOUGH BE AWARE THAT THIS COULD COME BACK TO US IN A COUPLE OF YEARS REQUESTING ANOTHER.

AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THIS IS A SOMETHING INTO PERPETUITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

YES, COMMISSIONER. MAYOR IN THE ORDINANCE IS BACKGROUND.

IT DOES SAY THAT THEY'VE HAD 301 IN 1987, 1 IN 1987, AND THEN A 5% WAS IN 2001.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

OKAY. OKAY.

WE. OKAY. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY. 9.C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5824-48.

[9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 58-24-48, Introduction and First Reading]

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION.

ARTICLE SIX EMPLOYEE BENEFITS DIVISION FOR POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

SECTION 2-305 BENEFIT AMOUNTS AND ELIGIBILITY TO AMEND THE BENEFIT MULTIPLIER AND TO PROVIDE FOR A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.

PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME THING AS THE LAST ONE.

BUT THIS ONE IS FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS PENSION PROGRAM.

THE COMMISSION BACK AT WHILE WE WERE DOING THE BUDGET BY CONSENSUS, AGREED TO GIVE THE POLICE OFFICER'S PENSION THE SAME 3% FOR EACH COMPLETE FIVE YEARS SERVED.

IN THIS CASE, THIS WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL $152,676 FOR THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN FUTURE CONTRIBUTIONS MAY BE HIGHER

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WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 5824 DASH 48.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE, WE APPROVE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 58, DASH 2448.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I.

OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

MOVING TO ITEM TEN A ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.

[10.A. Environmental Stewardship Committee (ESC) Recommendations for Awards]

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO BE AMANDA.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN AMANDA ASKEW THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD NEWS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

THE SC IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, AND THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO START AN ANNUAL AWARD PROCESS.

THESE AWARDS WILL BE A GREAT TOOL FOR DRIVING COMMUNITY LEVEL CHANGE, INCREASING AWARENESS AND BUILDING MOMENTUM FOR LARGER ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. THESE AWARDS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE IN PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE AND IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP WITH VERY MINIMAL BUDGET IMPACT.

IT ENCOURAGES LOCAL ENGAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP.

RECOGNIZES COMMUNITY SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS, PROMOTES POSITIVE PEER PRESSURE, STRENGTHENS LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS, AND INCREASES VISIBILITY AND PUBLIC AWARENESS.

SC IS PROPOSING THREE AWARD CATEGORIES BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AWARDS.

RESIDENTIAL AND INDIVIDUAL.

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS AND MULTI SECTOR AWARDS.

THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU APPROVE THAT THIS AWARDS PROGRAM.

IT'S ENVISIONED THAT THIS WILL BE AN ANNUAL PROGRAM.

THE SC WILL MANAGE THE PROCESS AND THEY WILL SOLICIT NOMINATIONS.

THEY'LL VET THOSE NOMINATIONS AND ORGANIZE THE AWARDS CEREMONY.

WE DO HAVE A BUDGET.

IT'S IN THE BUDGET UP TO A $1,500 FOR THIS.

AND SC IS GOING TO GO OUT AND GET SPONSORS AS WELL FOR ADDITIONAL AWARD MONEY.

OKAY. THAT.

THANK YOU. AMANDA. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE, WE APPROVE.

OKAY. SECOND.

I SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND. NOW FOR SOME DISCUSSION I HAVE.

I DON'T THINK THE POST OFFICE WILL EVER WIN.

DIDN'T. DID THE POST OFFICE JUST DO SOME WORK? I THINK THEY DID SOMETHING, BUT I HADN'T NOTICED IT.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE BY AND SEE BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY AWFUL THREE WEEKS AGO.

I'M JUST GOING TO COMMENT.

I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THIS COME BEFORE US.

IT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND TO ENCOURAGE, AND I LIKE THE THE POINT ABOUT PEER PRESSURE.

I THINK THAT'S THE TERM YOU USED.

SO I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I DIDN'T ASK WHAT TIME FRAME WILL THIS BE FROM AND TO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY START? IF WE APPROVE THIS, WHEN DO WE START IT? WELL, HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THEY'RE HOPING TO GET THIS HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JANUARY TO START THIS AWARDS CEREMONY.

THERE'S LOGISTICS AND PROGRAMING INVOLVED, BUT THE GOAL IS FOR THE END OF JANUARY TO START THE AWARDS SHOW.

BUT IS THAT START COLLECTING DATA OR IS THAT ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS ON RECIPIENTS? MAKE DECISIONS ON RECIPIENTS.

SO THEY WERE WAITING ON THE APPROVAL TONIGHT AND THEN THEY'LL OPEN.

IT'LL BE AN OPEN NOMINATION.

SO THEY'LL LOOK FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THESE AWARDS.

SO ONE SECOND.

SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF LEAD TIME TO ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE BETTER BEHAVIOR.

IT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR AT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE WITHOUT PEER PRESSURE.

RIGHT. BUT IF THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS THEN WE WOULD GO FORWARD AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, LAST YEAR SO-AND-SO WON.

I WANT TO BEAT THEM THIS COMMISSIONER I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA? YOU KNOW, IN EACH OF THOSE THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE IT LISTED SOMEWHERE, I'LL JUST I'LL GO LOOK.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT FLUID, BUT SOME OF THE CRITERIA WOULD BE BASED ON THE CATEGORY UNDER THE BUSINESS CATEGORY, LIKE WHAT IS THE BEST COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPE, WHO USES XERISCAPE, WHICH IS THE BEST GREEN BUILT COMMERCIAL APPLICATION? DO YOU RECYCLE THE MOST? SO THINGS LIKE THAT BASED ON THE CATEGORY? OKAY. YES, BILL.

I THINK WITH THE CRITERIA WE COULD DO THAT 1 OR 2 WAYS.

WE COULD EITHER CRAFT HE'S RECOMMENDING CRAFT CRITERIA FOR EACH OF THE AWARDS AND BRING THEM BACK TO YOU.

OR WE COULD HAVE SC CRAFT THE CRITERIA AND JUST HAVE THEM APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND THAT IS SAVE TIME IN TERMS OF THE CYCLE.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER.

YEAH. MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE CRITERIA, BUT MORE SO DOES THIS GO?

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YES, THERE WOULD BE A VETTING PROCESS.

SO THE ENVISION IS IT'S AN OPEN APPLICATION.

YOU CAN SELF NOMINATE.

SC COULD DRIVE AROUND AND NOMINATE.

THEY WOULD THEN USE THE CRITERIA AND THEN WHOEVER SCORES OR RANKS THE HIGHEST, THEN THAT PERSON WOULD BE ISSUED THE AWARD.

IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIE, OR THERE'S MORE THAN ONE PERSON OR BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

WHAT DO THEY GET? WELL, WE STILL HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT YET, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS TALK OF SOME TYPE OF PLAQUE.

BUT DEFINITELY RECOGNITION.

AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO USE THE PEER PRESSURE, PUT IT OUT IN THE NEWSLETTER, PUT IT ON FACEBOOK.

KIND OF HELP FROM THAT GRASSROOTS EFFORT.

WOULD IT BE YEARLY? IT WOULD BE. SO I JUST IMAGINE LIKE THE HOA COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LIKE THE YARD SIGN.

YES. PART OF THE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT LIKE YARD SIGNS, YARD FLAGS, DIFFERENT THINGS TO KIND OF SELF-IDENTIFY THIS PERSON AS THE WINNER OR LIKE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT AT PARKING IN THE TOWN CENTER.

WELL, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THAT.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. YES, MR. KILLINGSWORTH? YEAH. SO ON THE AWARDS RECIPIENTS AGAIN, YOU COULD DO WHERE THEY BRING THE RECIPIENTS BACK AND THE COMMISSION THEN APPROVES THEM, LIKE ARC DOES IT? YOU COULD HAVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE VERIFY THAT THE RECIPIENTS MET THE CRITERIA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

OR YOU COULD JUST LET SC MAKE THE DECISION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S IN YOUR PLATE TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU LIKE, WE CAN GET CONSENSUS NOW TO SIMPLY DIRECT SC TO PUT TOGETHER THE CRITERIA.

AND BRING IT BACK TO US, I, I WOULD TELL YOU, I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO BE THE APPROVING BODY OF EACH RECIPIENT OF THE AWARDS.

I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO LET THE CITY AND SC DO THAT.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THE CRITERIA BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD, I THINK NUMBER TWO, WHERE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE GIVES A THUMBS UP, JUST THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT WOULD BE MY BED. SO I SEE THREE PEOPLE NODDING COMMISSIONER FUNNY.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO PROCEED IN THAT FASHION.

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TO STATE IT SO THAT I MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS WHAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT SC WOULD DEVELOP CRITERIA, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WOULD SIGN OFF ON IT.

THEY WOULD THEN SELECT CANDIDATES, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WOULD SIGN OFF THAT THOSE CANDIDATES DID INDEED MEET WHATEVER CRITERIA.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. BUT COMMISSIONER ALL RIGHT.

I DID JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE CEREMONY ITSELF, WOULD THIS BE AT LIKE A DULL GRAYISH, LIKE WE DO WITH THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE BOARD MEMBERS? AND THAT WOULD SAVE MONEY? I THINK THE PLANNING AND PROGRAMING IS SOMETHING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, SC WOULD PUT TOGETHER.

OKAY. I KNOW THEY ARE PROPOSING A CITY BUDGET UP TO HUNDRED $1,500 AND THEN POTENTIALLY WHATEVER DONATIONS THEY COULD COULD ACHIEVE.

OKAY. SO THAT MAY BE PART OF THEIR CONSIDERATION, BUT THEY MAY HAVE A DONOR WHO PROVIDES A SPACE, RIGHT.

OKAY. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, WE AGREE WITH WHAT YOU STATED.

OKAY. WHEN YOU SAID.

YES. WE WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THE, FOR ITEM TEN A AND WE DID NOT VOTE ON THAT. SO CAN YOU JUST, JUST CONFIRMING WHAT YOU NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO THE MOTION? I DON'T I DON'T WANT YOU APPROVING IT.

YOU WANT TO ADD IT OR.

WELL THEY DID.

SO THEY MADE A MOTION RIGHT TO APPROVE.

YEAH. SO THEN TECHNICALLY SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.

OKAY. MOTION TO AMEND TO WHAT I REGURGITATED BACK.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE IS CAPABLE OF ADDING THAT IN TO JUST SAY WHAT I PUT ON THE RECORD.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, I MOVE THAT WE AMEND THE MOTION SO THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL APPROVE THE SELECTION OF CRITERIA PROPOSED BY S.

YES, AND HE WILL.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MONITOR? APPROVE? BLESS THE CANDIDATES OR THE CANDIDATES AND THE CRITERIA.

OKAY. SO HE WILL VERIFY THAT THE CANDIDATES RE PROPOSED BY S REFLECT THOSE CRITERIA.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND.

OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

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NOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH IS COMPLETE WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

AND TO FUND THIS.

WHAT WAS IT, 1500.

OKAY. WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM? AMANDA? IT'S AMANDA'S POCKET CHANGE.

OKAY, SO ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

LET'S SEE. MOVING ON TO ITEM 11.

[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]

WHAT SAY YOU? I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER.

THANK YOU. MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, AND SEE YOU GUYS IN JANUARY.

ALL RIGHT, I LIKE IT.

CITY CLERK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR.

SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. MR. COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

WE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK ON THE CORNER OF SEMINOLE AND SHELL LAST MONDAY, AND THE GUYS WERE OUT THERE UNTIL THREE IN THE MORNING TO GET THE WATER TURNED BACK ON AND EXPLAINED TO ME THAT JUST LIKE NEPTUNE BEACH, WE ARE BETTER OFF IN A LOT OF WAYS INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT I JUST, REINFORCES TO ME THAT WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE COMES UP, WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT MAKING IT HAPPEN.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRAHAM.

YEAH. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO, AND I WAS GOING TO ASK TROY, BUT TO COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU'RE MENTIONING THE REPORT THAT WAS DONE. SO, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AND SEE HOW FAR WE'VE PROGRESSED PER CELL THAT NIGHT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO.

AND SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING TO HELP ADVANCE THAT.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, MERRY CHRISTMAS.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, COMMISSIONER KELLY.

NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU.

I SAID QUITE ENOUGH TO START COMMISSIONER RING.

I HAVE SEEN PUBLIC WORKS IN MY DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE CLEANING OUT THE DITCHES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT THE LUCKY END OF THE STICK THAT THEY STARTED WITH US, BUT I DID WANT TO ADDRESS TO COMMISSIONER GRANT THAT THERE IS A ROTATION THAT'S HAPPENING, AND I SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES, AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE SUPER EXCITED.

OTHER THAN THAT, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR, AND I'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN 2025.

THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH I'VE TALKED ENOUGH, BUT IF I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER GRANT AFTERWARDS, I HAVE A CHRISTMAS PRESENT I FOUND.

I JUST NEED HIM TO SIGN THE STICKY HERE SO THAT WE HAVE A RECORD.

DID HE GET THE SPECIAL CHIP IN IT? YEAH. THEY ALL HAVE SPECIAL CHIPS, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT I'LL ROUND IT OUT WITH SUPPORT.

LUMINARIA. IT'S A FUN THING.

IT MAKES OUR CITY LOOK COOL.

IT'S BEEN PUT ON FOR YEARS BY BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY.

ANYBODY REMEMBER THE DATE FOR THAT 21ST? 21ST? THANKS.

SO JUST GO RIGHT ON DOWN TO BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY AND PURCHASE YOUR LUMINARIAS AND MAKE THEM HAPPEN.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE.

WITH THAT THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD JOB.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.