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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS.
[CALL TO ORDER]
BEFORE I OPEN THIS MEETING WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND A PLEDGE, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME, PLEASE. DEAR GOD, AS WE ENTER THIS NEW YEAR 2025, IN OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR AS COMMISSION, WE ASK YOUR YOUR LIGHT UPON THIS GROUP SITTING AT THIS DAIS THAT WE HAVE THE WISDOM TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, THE RESOLVE TO TACKLE THE TOUGH ISSUES AND THE HUMILITY TO KNOW THAT ONE IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. GIVE US THE WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE OUR MINDS WHEN WE DISCOVER OUR ERRORS.IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
LET'S SEE. DONNA I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE. DONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BOLE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KELLY. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER RING.
PRESENT. MAYOR FORD. PRESENT. THANK YOU DONNA.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
2024 AND DECEMBER 9TH, 2024. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO. HEARING NONE. THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.MOVING DIRECTLY TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS.
DO WE WANT TO. THERE'S A SECOND MINUTES. OH, DID I MISSED IT? I APOLOGIZE, LET'S BACK UP TO 1B. EXCUSE ME. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2024. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES? OKAY. HEARING NONE. THOSE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.
OKAY. NOW ITEM 2, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
DO YOU WANT SHOULD WE GO TO 2A FIRST AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR REGULAR? YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO TO 2A WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA PRESENTATION.WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE AND I'M I SHOULD KNOW EVERYONE I KNOW SHERRY AND LESLIE AND [INAUDIBLE] COME UP PLEASE, TO THE THE LECTERN AND ARE YOU READING THAT OR AM I? WELL, I WILL NEED IT. DONNA, IS IT IN THE PACKET HERE.
IF I MAY, THIS ISN'T A PROCLAMATION. THIS IS A PRESENTATION BY OUR YOU'RE DOING THE WORK. PLEASE PROCEED. GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
I'M LESLIE MAY, REGENT OF THE JEAN RIBAULT CHAPTER, DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
OUR CHAPTER SERVES THE BEACHES AREA OF JACKSONVILLE.
THIS IS OUR FOURTH YEAR AS LOCATION COORDINATOR FOR WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA IS AN ANNUAL NATIONAL CEREMONY STARTED IN 1992.
ON DECEMBER 14TH AT MORE THAN 4,900 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, OVER 2.5 MILLION VOLUNTEERS GATHERED AS ONE NATION TO REMEMBER, HONOR AND TEACH. IN ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS HONORED OVER 650 VETERANS BURIED AT BEACHES MEMORIAL PARK.
REMEMBRANCE WREATHS WERE PLACED ON GRAVES, THE VETERANS NAMES WERE SPOKEN AND THEY WERE HONORED FOR THEIR SERVICE, AND OUR YOUTH WERE TAUGHT THE MEANING OF HONOR AND SACRIFICE.
WITH WITH YOUR HELP, WE HAVE HAD AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
EACH YEAR WE SEE THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO GROW IN GROW IN PARTICIPATION.
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AND WE WILL PRESENT CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION TO THOSE INVOLVED AT THE CITY LEVEL.AND FIRST, WE HAVE CITY COMMISSIONER CANDACE KELLY.
CANDACE, IF YOU'LL COME DOWN. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KEVIN HOGENCAMP.
FROM PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE SCOTT WILLIAMS, MATT KRUG, TRAVIS KENNEDY AND DEREK MARTIN. A SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CIVILIAN VOLUNTEERS JONI LYON, JOE ESPARZA, BOB HALLENGREN, MARK STEWART, MARK JOHNSON AND SUSIE JOHNSON.
MIC] AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, I'M A VETERAN.
AND WHEN WE STARTED DOING THIS, I THOUGHT, WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON A WREATH? WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY ON VETERANS PROGRAMS. BUT THE MORE I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE THE ANNUAL LAYING, I REALIZED THAT THE REMEMBER, HONOR AND TEACH IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE NOW AN ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE.
EVERYBODY SINCE 1972 THAT'S IN ACTIVE DUTY WAS A VOLUNTEER.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AN HONORABLE PROFESSION, AND THAT WHAT WE DID IS APPRECIATED IT IS IMPORTANT THAT BY BRINGING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO THE CEMETERY AND SEEING THE SCOPE OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WHO HAVE SERVED IT, IT SERVES AN IMPORTANT FUNCTION. AS WELL AS TEACHING THAT ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE CAN SERVE IN THE MILITARY IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES OF THE DAR AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I COULDN'T MAKE IT THIS YEAR.
I WOULD NEVER MISS THAT IF I IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO.
SO NEXT YEAR, COUNT ON ME BEING BACK. THANK YOU.
SO WE'LL WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
AND FOR A FEW MONTHS, I PROBABLY WILL RESTATE THIS EACH TIME, BUT WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN, IN OUR END OF THE YEAR MEETINGS HERE ON THIS DAIS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT DECORUM. AND ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR IS IF YOU SPEAK COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION THAT INVOLVES ANY INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, YOUR OBJECTION IS TO THE CITY AND TO THE CITY MANAGER NOT RAILING ON THE INDIVIDUAL. THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THE STAFF.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I THINK THAT COVERS IT, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT, SO, DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? SURE. DO WE HAVE THREE CARDS, MAYOR? FIRST SPEAKER, PENNY RUCKUS.
AND WHILE PENNY IS COMING UP THAT YOUR TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES.
PROBABLY ENOUGH, I HOPE. WELL, HOPEFULLY. YEAH, I SHOULD DO IT A LOT LESS.
MY NAME IS PENNY RUCKUS, AND MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.
I'M COMING MAINLY TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR SITUATION WITH E-BIKES.
WE RECENTLY JUST AND I KNOW THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS TONIGHT.
WE RECENTLY JUST HAD AN ACCIDENT ON THE CORNER OF 18TH AND SEMINOLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS, BUT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
THESE ARE MY KIDS. I DO BIKE SAFETY WITH THEM ALL THE TIME, AND SO DOES COACH CARPER.
AND THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF REPERCUSSIONS WHEN THEY DO THINGS.
QUITE WHY, THEY CAN HAVE A VEHICLE THAT GOES 25 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH IS WHAT MY FIRST MOTORCYCLE DID IS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T PUT MY HANDS AROUND, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
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PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND BIKE SAFETY. SO I WOULD LOVE FOR ATLANTIC BEACH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR MAYOR HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM TO BE PART OF A VIDEO THAT WILL PROMOTE BIKE SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'RE TAKING TO DO THAT AND ALSO THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.I DO THINGS A LITTLE INCORRECTLY. BUT I'M NOT GOING 25 MILES AN HOUR.
I'M BEING VERY CAUTIOUS, AND MOST OF THE BIKE RIDERS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE DOING THAT.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF JUDGMENT, AND WE NEED TO ENFORCE THOSE RULES MORE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS RUCKUS, AMANDA NAPOLITANO.
YEAH. OKAY. COME ON UP. BUT WE HAVE A COMMENT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I WALKED MY PRESCHOOLER TO THE BACK GATE OF ABE TWO DAYS A WEEK AND HOME AGAIN.
AND SOME OF THE BICYCLES ARE GOOD, BUT THE ONES WITH THE MOTORIZED VEHICLE ARE SCARY.
AND THEY DON'T EVEN ALL WEAR HELMETS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING THE DONNA FOUNDATION.
AND I'M HERE TO THANK YOU TO THANK THE CITY, THE COMMISSION, STAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE RESIDENTS OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR OPENING YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR STREETS TO THE 18TH ANNUAL NATIONAL MARATHON TO FINISH BREAST CANCER.
SO AGAIN I'M JUST HERE TONIGHT WITH GRATITUDE AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD, OUR STAFF, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE 20,000 PLUS BREAST CANCER PATIENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE SERVED OVER THE YEARS.
WE COULD NOT DO THAT WITHOUT THIS EVENT AND WITHOUT ALL OF YOU.
SO THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH. THANK YOU AMANDA. DAVID PUGH.
YEP. DAVID PUGH 381 THIRD STREET. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO CONNIE CRAVEN.
JUST LEFT WITH YOUR CEREMONY. YES. ANYWAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE YEAH, I GET FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I CAN THROW THIS AWAY, ALMOST. BUT IF YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL DOWN HERE IN THE JACKSONVILLE.
OF COURSE. SO THAT'S A BIG PLUS FOR US HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES.
I LIVED AT THE BEACH ALL MY LIFE, EVERY BEACH HERE, INCLUDING NAVAL STATION MAYPORT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WE GOT THE BEST CITY GOVERNMENT OF ALL THREE BEACHES WITHOUT A DOUBT.
OKAY. WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IS WATER. THERE'S A PORTABLE WATER, I GUESS YOU CALL IT.
I LIKE TO CALL IT DRINKING WATER. WHEN HURRICANE HELENE HIT NORTH CAROLINA I HAVE A DAUGHTER LIVING UP THERE AT SWANNANOA, NEAR ASHEVILLE, AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED FOR HER BECAUSE I COULDN'T SPEAK TO HER AFTER I WAS ON THE PHONE RIGHT BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT.
SO IT WAS THREE DAYS WITHOUT HEARING FROM HER.
THEN THE FIRST THING WHEN I FINALLY GOT AHOLD OF HER, I SAID, YOU GOT DRINKING WATER.
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SHE SAYS, YEAH, I GOT GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND WE GOT THE SUPPLIES.THEY HAD NO ELECTRICITY, NO WATER FOR TWO WEEKS, NO CITY WATER.
MOST PEOPLE CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY BUT LIVING HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND THE BEACHES, YOU GOTTA APPRECIATE OUR WATER AND OUR WATER SYSTEMS. AND NOW, IF YOU LIVE IN NEPTUNE BEACH, YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH BEACHES LEADER.
THIS IS THE LAST COPY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IN PAPER.
[INAUDIBLE] IT WAS THE GREEN MONSTER THAT'S THERE IN NEPTUNE BEACH IN THE SHOPPING MALL.
BUT YEAH, IT'S STILL THERE. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO HOOK UP THIS, TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE WE NEED THE DRINKING WATER.
THE FACTS ARE THAT ATLANTIC BEACH IS THE BEST AT PROVIDING THE MOST EFFECTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, PROFESSIONAL FRIENDLY POLICE, AND GOVERNMENT.
AND ALSO, ONE OF MY MANY JOBS IS WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE NAVY.
I KNOW TWO OF YOU AT LEAST ARE IN THE NAVY. I'VE WORKED MANY JOBS, BUT ONE, THE ONE I REALLY MADE ME WAS AN EYE OPENER WAS A REAL ESTATE AGENT. AND WORKING WITH ALL THESE AGENTS, THE CONCLUSION IS OF ALL THE AGENTS, WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A HOME, WHERE DID THEY THINK THEY WANTED TO LIVE? ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.
AND REAL ESTATE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE IN.
AND THE MAIN REASON, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT REAL ESTATE IN ATLANTIC BEACH APPRECIATES GOES UP IN VALUE 3%, 3% MORE THAN ANY OTHER HOMES IN DUVAL COUNTY.
SO ALL I WANT TO DO IS SAY, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THOSE VERY, VERY KIND REMARKS.
DONNA, WAS THAT IT? THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE MAYOR.
MAYOR, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. YES. HAVE WE CHANGED THE RULES IN THAT WE CAN COMMENT ON COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS? NO. WE WE HAVE OBSERVED THAT IN THE PAST. AND TO COMMISSIONER KELLY, WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE E-BIKES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT TIME TO BRING THAT UP.
FINE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. OKAY. MOVING ON CITY MANAGER REPORTS, MR.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.WE HAD THE DONNA FOUNDATION HERE AND THEY LEFT I WILL START BACKWARDS.
I ONLY BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS THAT I HAVE TO TELL YOU.
SO THERE WILL BE STREET CLOSURES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PATH.
ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] REPORT IS ON PAGE 53.
SO WE STARTED A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE IT.
SO THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY WILL BE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR EVERY STAFF REPORT ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
THE INVOCATION IS ON THE COMMISSION MEETINGS ON THE INVOCATION IS.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT MANY ACTIVITIES BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND NEW YEARS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT MANY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF HOLIDAYS MARTIN LUTHER KING AND PRESIDENTS DAY, WHICH FALLS ON MY BIRTHDAY THIS YEAR. BUT WE DO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING ON THE 25TH, AND THAT TOWN HALL MEETING, THE TPOS CONSULTANT ON THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE FIVE WAY WILL BE HERE TO PRESENT.
AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD ASK FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
COMMISSIONERS ANY CHANGES/ADDITIONS? JUST A QUESTION.
THE INVOCATIONS FOR MARCH AREN'T SET, BUT I IMAGINE THEY WOULD BE TAKING TURNS.
SO I GUESS THE CORRECTED SHEET DIDN'T MAKE YOURS.
THE MARCH 10TH IS COMMISSIONER RING AND MARCH WHAT IS THAT 24TH IS MAYOR FORD. [INAUDIBLE]. WILL WE BE GETTING INVITE CALENDAR INVITES FOR THESE EVENTS THAT ARE PUT ON HERE? SO KEVIN SAYS YES. GREAT. GOOD. YES COMMISSIONER.
YEAH. BILL, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE WHEN IS THE ROUNDABOUT PRESENTATION BEING MADE? THAT'S THE 25TH OF JANUARY. SATURDAY. SATURDAY.
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IT'S THE TOWN HALL, AND THAT'S AT THE JORDAN CENTER.OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA? I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THIS INFORMATION VERY HELPFUL WHEN THEY HAVE THE THE THE MARATHON, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S A GOOD TIME FRAME TO, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FOR VARIOUS REASONS THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT WAITING? BECAUSE, I MEAN, LIKE, FOR ME, I LIVE DEEP IN THE CITY AND THE MARATHON COMES RIGHT THROUGH MY YARD.
SHE'S THE HEAD CONSULTANT, POINT PERSON FOR TPO.
WE CAN GET TIME OF DAY TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR YOU.
[INAUDIBLE] SURE. I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN GET AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? YES. YES. THANK YOU. HAVE YOUR CONSENSUS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO INVITE JOSEPH ANDERSON, HE'S WITH JEA.
HE'S AN ARBORIST, AND WE'VE HIT THAT TIME OF THE CYCLE WHERE JEA WILL BE VISITING THOSE TREES THAT ARE INTERFERING WITH OUR POWER SYSTEMS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE COMING IN.
IT IS A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CYCLE. LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WAS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AND WE WILL COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL TRIM IT BACK.
AND IT'S JUST MAINTAINING AN ESTABLISHED ROUTE WITHIN THE TREE CANOPY.
I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT JEA DOES HIRE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO SUPERVISE HIS WORK.
BUT IN THE SHORT TIME THAT I HAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST GIVE YOU ONE QUICK ANALOGY FROM UTILITY ARBORIST OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COMPARISON OF THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN OUR ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND THE CHEMICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM OF A TREE.
THE TREE WILL ACTUALLY TAKE LIGHT ENERGY FROM THE SUN AND IT WILL CONVERT THROUGH PHOTOSYNTHESIS, IT WILL CONVERT THAT LIGHT ENERGY TO CHEMICAL ENERGY.
IT WILL THEN DISTRIBUTE THAT CHEMICAL ENERGY THROUGHOUT ITS TRUNK LINES, ITS BRANCHES, ITS LATERALS, ITS TWIGS, ITS FRUITS, AND ITS FLOWERS. IT HAS CERTAIN PATHWAYS IN WHICH IT DOES THAT A VERY THIN TISSUE LAYER IN THE TREE KNOWN AS THE XYLEM AND PHLOEM.
IF THAT XYLEM AND THE PHLOEM GET INTERRUPTED BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO PARTS OF THE CITY, OR MAYBE THE WHOLE CITY. AND THE SAME WAY JEA GIVES YOU THE ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
WE TAKE MECHANICAL ENERGY AND WE CONVERT IT TO ELECTRICAL ENERGY, AND WE DISTRIBUTE THAT ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH OUR TRUNK LINES, OUR BRANCHES, OUR LATERALS, OUR TWIGS, OUR FRUITS AND OUR FLOWERS.
BUT THERE'S A VERY NARROW TISSUE, A VERY NARROW AREA, THE XYLEM IN THE FORM OF OUR ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM INTO THE CITY, RIGHTS OF WAY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE YOU THAT QUICK ANALOGY.
AND I LIKE WHAT DAVID SAID, HE USED ONE PHRASE IN HIS TALK OF EFFECTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO WORK TONIGHT. MR. ANDERSON, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I LOVE THAT I WANT TO YOU'VE GOT TO SEND THAT TO ME.
OH, I GOT MORE. YEAH, I GOT I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
YES, SIR. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
ARE ALL THE LINES OF WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING ARE THEY ALL IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY? NO. THERE ARE ELECTRICAL LINES WITHIN PRIVATE PROPERTY, SOMETIMES OWNED BY BUSINESSES AND ALSO BY PRIVATE CITIZENS.
WE CONCENTRATE MOST OF OUR WORK WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S DIFFERENT PERMISSIONS WE HAVE TO GET JURISDICTIONS IF WE WERE TO GO OUTSIDE THE CITY.
GREAT, THANKS. SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH, SIR.
SO ARE YOU PERSONALLY ON SITE FOR THIS EVENT IN ATLANTIC BEACH? YES, SIR. I STARTED THIS MORNING AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING.
OKAY. I WAS AT THE NEPTUNE SUBSTATION TO SUPERVISE THE CREWS.
WE DIDN'T GET AS FAR AS WE WERE HOPING TO TODAY BECAUSE OF THE RAIN AND THE WEATHER, BUT WE WILL START AGAIN. BUT YES, I WILL BE THE POINT OF CONTACT. I WILL BE HERE OUT IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE OF CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH ARE COMFORTABLE.
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IN OTHER WORDS, THE UTILITY WORKS. THEY'RE CONNECTED.THEY KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IF THEY HAVE ISSUES AND THAT THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILITY.
SO I WILL BE HERE. SO, MR. ANDERSON, I HAVE TO SAY I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU HOW YOU CAN ASSURE US THAT YOU'RE NOT OVER TRIMMING AND AND DOING RECKLESS THINGS BECAUSE YOU YOU'VE GOT CHAINSAWS AND SO ON.
INDUSTRY STANDARDS. SO NOT ONLY AM I INTERESTED IN THE PROTECTION OF THE TREE CANOPY, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CREWS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HAVE THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF ELECTRICITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ACCIDENTS, AND IT IS RELATIVELY SAFE.
AND NOT EVERY UTILITY DOES THAT. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.
WELL THANK YOU. YOU'RE MOST WELCOME. THANK YOU. OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COMMISSIONER, CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO, AHEAD OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER BEACH COMMUNITIES ABOUT E-BIKES AND SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY WE FIND SOME COMMON GROUND. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU OF A FEW THINGS, TALKING POINTS OR FACTS TO CONSIDER IS WHAT IS PROVIDED IN THIS POWERPOINT.
THE GENERAL DEFINITION FOR E-BIKES IS UP THERE.
IT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION.
IT WON'T AFFECT, I BELIEVE, THE WAY WE CRAFT ANY ORDINANCES HERE AT THE BEACH.
SO IF ANYBODY REMOVES PEDALS FROM THE E-BIKE, IT'S NOT A E-BIKE ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE TO BE PEDALING FOR CLASS TWO. A CLASS THREE E-BIKE CAN GO UP TO 28 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 28 MILES AN HOUR IS REALLY FAST, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME ANYONE HERE IN THIS ROOM WENT 28 MILES AN HOUR ON A BIKE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU I'VE DONE IT AND IT WAS DOWNHILL AND UNINTENTIONAL AND SCARY.
SO THOSE ARE SOME CERTAINLY CONCERNING THINGS FOR US TO CONSIDER. BUT THOSE ARE THE CLASSIFICATIONS IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WONDERING. AND AGAIN, IT SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO CRAFT FOR OUR ORDINANCE.
THIS MOUSE IS NOT WORKING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY.
SO OUR [INAUDIBLE] BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON THE BEACH.
WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING MOTORIZED ON OUR BEACH. WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE ALSO. BUT BECAUSE, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE STATE STATUTE COMING UP OF E-BIKES ARE EXEMPTED FROM THAT.
BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A MOTOR ON IT OF ANY TYPE.
BUT E-BIKES ARE CURRENTLY EXEMPTED BY STATE STATUTE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL. SORRY. SO THAT'S THE STATE STATUTE FOR E-BIKES.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW ABOUT IN THERE. UNLESS CITIES PASS ORDINANCES OR LAWS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DIFFERENT, AN E-BIKE IS TO BE CONSIDERED AS A BICYCLE.
THEY RECORD ALL THE RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF A BICYCLE OPERATOR NOW, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES CAN CREATE THEIR OWN ORDINANCES TO REGULATE E-BIKES ON STREETS, HIGHWAYS, SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALK AREAS, A BIKE PATH, A MULTI-USE PATH, OR A TRAIL NETWORK.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO AND SORRY BEACH AND A DUNE.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AS WE GO FORWARD WE REGULATE BY STATE STATUTE IN THE LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN CONTROL E-BIKES, BUT THAT COVERS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. I'LL GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THERE'S ONE JURISDICTION IN KEY BISCAYNE, FLORIDA, WHO HAS WRITTEN AN ORDINANCE THAT IS NOT EXACTLY UNLIKE THE LANGUAGE WE'RE PROPOSING.
BUT THEY LIMIT E-BIKES AND ALL MOPEDS AND SCOOTERS TO ONLY THE ROADWAYS IN THEIR CITY.
THEY SEE IT QUITE PLAINLY. SO STREETS, SIDEWALKS, BIKE PATHS, MULTI-USE PATHS, CITY TRAILS, TRAIL NETWORKS TURF FIELDS, BEACHES, DUNES THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, LOCATIONS WE NEED TO CONSIDER RESTRICTING THE USE OF A MOTORIZED
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VEHICLE. AND I'LL GO ONE STEP BEYOND E-BIKES AND IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES AND EXPLAIN THAT IT'S REALLY ANYTHING WITH A MOTOR THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER KEEPING OFF OF THOSE PLACES THAT ARE NAMED IN THAT LIST, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT MOTORIZED THINGS IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE EXPECT PEDESTRIANS TO BE WALKING AND STROLLING AND JOGGING. DON'T WANT TO SEE A BIKE OR A SCOOTER COME AROUND A CORNER ON A TRAIL.SO CURRENTLY, SEGWAYS ARE INCLUDED IN THE THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON OUR ROADS BY STATE STATUTES.
SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE ALLOWED; SEGWAYS MOPEDS, SCOOTERS, OTHER DEVICES UNDER THE ALLOWED COLUMN, THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT BY STATE LAW, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE.
SO A SEGWAY CAN BE ON A ROADWAY THAT'S LESS THAN 25MPH.
THEY CAN BE ON A BIKE PATH, A STREET, A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, AND YOU CAN BE UP TO YOU CAN RIDE THEM UNDER 16 YEARS OLD WITH A HELMET, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO WEAR A HELMET. IF YOU RIDE A MOPED THE REASON WHY WE PUT MOPEDS UP THERE IS BECAUSE MOPEDS AREN'T CURRENTLY RESTRICTED FROM BEING ON TRAIL NETWORKS OR TURF AREAS, AND BEACHES OR ON PARKS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE INCLUDE MOPEDS IN THOSE PLACES WE DON'T WANT MOTORIZED DEVICES.
SCOOTERS, MICRO MOBILITY DEVICE, ANY OF THE ANYTHING THAT'S IN THAT SMALL MOTOR SCOOTER CATEGORY WITH, YOU KNOW, A SMALL 3 OR 4 HORSEPOWER ENGINE 2 HORSEPOWER ENGINE THAT LOOKS LIKE A SCOOTER.
THOSE NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY REGULATED ALSO, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN OUR ORDINANCE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT REGULATES THEM WHERE THEY CAN AND CAN'T BE OTHER THAN STATE STATUTE. MINI MOTORCYCLES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY QUITE POPULAR, THEY ARE REQUIRED THAT THEY CANNOT BE ON A SIDEWALKS OR ROADS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT THEY ARE BEING SOLD.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE THAT, WE MIGHT SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, HEY, LOOK, ANYTHING THAT GOES FIVE MILES PER HOUR OR LESS THAT'S MOTORIZED CAN BE ON OUR SIDEWALK. ABOUT FOUR MILES PER HOUR WHICH IS A FAST WALK SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF GIVE SOME CONTEXT FOR THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE OKAY ON OUR SIDEWALKS, AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED A TOY, SOMETHING THAT GOES FIVE MILES PER HOUR OR LESS WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD GENERALIZATION, BUT YOU COULD CONSIDER PUTTING IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE IN ADDITION TO E-BIKES IN OUR ORDINANCE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUGGESTED WE CONSIDER DOING THESE THINGS AND IN THOSE LOCATIONS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL PLACES WE CURRENTLY ARE CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO REGULATE THEM. YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO BE IN OUR PARKS ON MOTORIZED DEVICES, BUT AS A MATTER OF TECHNICALITY, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY IN OUR ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T BE ON ONE OF OUR TURF FIELDS WITH AN E-BIKE OR A SCOOTER OR A MINI MOTORCYCLE.
SO THE THREE QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THREE QUESTIONS I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER IS WHERE DO YOU WANT E-BIKES TO OPERATE IN OUR CITY? SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THINKING ABOUT LEGISLATION AND HOW WE WANT TO CRAFT THE ORDINANCE WE WILL OFFER SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE.
BUT WHERE DO YOU WANT TO KEEP BIKES E-BIKES OUT OF AND OTHER MOTORIZED DEVICES? [INAUDIBLE] DO Y OU WANT TO PLACE AN AGE LIMIT ON E-BIKE OPERATION? THAT'S SOMETHING WE HEAR CONSISTENTLY, NOT JUST IN OUR CITY, BUT MANY JURISDICTIONS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AGE OF A KID OPERATING E-BIKE THAT GOES 28 MILES AN HOUR. A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE SEEN KIDS THAT BARELY WEIGH MORE THAN THE E-BIKE BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE BATTERIES, THESE BIKES ARE 60, 70, 80 POUNDS, AND WE GET A KID AND, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE SCHOOL OR OLDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID RIDING THESE BIKES AND THEY MIGHT WEIGH 70 POUNDS. THE BIKE WEIGHS AS MUCH AS THEM.
SO HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT? SO DO WE WANT TO PUT AN AGE LIMIT ON E-BIKE OPERATION? AND DO YOU WANT TO REGULATE MOTORIZED DEVICES OF OTHER SORTS IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THE THE SEGWAYS AND THE MOPEDS AND SCOOTERS GOING TO ENCOMPASS THOSE IN OUR ORDINANCE ALSO.
SO THAT'S IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SET THE TABLE, IF I MAY, ON ONE THING. WE HAVE A, AN ORDINANCE IN EFFECT IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH, IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A FEW MONTHS.
AND I THINK AS WE DISCUSS THIS, WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT CAN WE MIRROR EITHER MUCH OR ALL OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S ORDINANCE? AND IF WE THINK AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE SOME THINGS THAT THEY DID NOT PUT IN THEIR ORDINANCE ABOUT I DON'T THINK THEY PUT WHERE,
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BUT MAYBE I SHOULD REREAD IT. I DID PRINT IT AND BRING IT.I KNOW YOU HAVE IT, BUT I BROUGHT IT. SO THEY THE THINGS THAT THEY HIT ARE THE OBVIOUS THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE LIMITED THE SPEED TO 15MPH. THEY HAVE SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO STOP AT ALL STOP SIGNS, JUST LIKE A MOTORIZED VEHICLE WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY ARE MOTORIZED. OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS HAVE LIGHTS ON THE FRONT AND BACK WHEN IT'S DARK.
AND RIDERS UNDER 16 YEARS OLD MUST WEAR A HELMET.
THEY DID THEIR PERIOD OF TIME OF NOTIFYING AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.
SO I'M SETTING THE TABLE ON THIS BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO MOVE IT FORWARD TONIGHT BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER HERE THAT MAY REQUIRE US TO COME BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AND DISCUSS IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE.
BUT WITH THAT, LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR CONVERSATION.
THAT'S A BIG PUSH FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, OR, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE HAVE OUR LOBBYISTS, ETC., ETC.. ARE YOU CUT INTO WHAT THE BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A LARGE GROUP OF CITIES, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I SAW, THAT THEIR ORDINANCE OR THEIR LAW HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BE MORE LENIENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WE CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT TECHNICALLY TODAY THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
RIGHT. SO I'M JUST GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FACE THESE QUESTIONS.
YEAH. IT IS. AND MAYOR, IF I MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
SO I THINK WE WANT TO DO IS AVOID REDUNDANCY.
STATE STATUTE ALREADY ALREADY CLEARLY SAYS THAT IF YOU OPERATE A MOTORCYCLE, A BICYCLE, A E-BIKE, YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT A CAR DOES, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ABIDE BY ALL OF THOSE REGULATIONS.
SO FOR US TO SAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS STATEMENT IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO STOP AND OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS, WHICH IS NICE. THE ONLY FLEXIBILITY THAT GIVES US IS IF WE SET A FINE STRUCTURE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS THAT COULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
STATE OF FLORIDA NOW CURRENTLY SAYS IF YOU HAVE AN E-BIKE VIOLATION, IT'S TO BE TREATED AS A PEDESTRIAN VIOLATION, IT'S A $15 FINE. IF WE CHOOSE TO SET A HIGHER FINE WE CAN DO THAT.
SO IF WE WANT TO WRITE THE SAME REGULATIONS, BASICALLY THAT FLORIDA STATE OF FLORIDA HAS FOR OPERATION AND JUST ATTACH A HIGHER FINE TO IT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM FOR DOING THAT BY OUR ORDINANCE, RATHER THAN LETTING OFFICERS WRITE A STATE STATUTE TICKET.
RIGHT. AND I THINK AN INTERESTING ONE THAT PARENTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
AND I LEARNED THIS DOWN THERE. IF A, IF A MINOR ON AN E-BIKE AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, A MINOR ON AN E-BIKE IS IN A COLLISION WITH A CAR IT'S THE PARENTS INSURANCE THAT'S AFFECTED.
ACTUALLY, THERE IS NO INSURANCE. SO NO ONE'S INSURANCE.
BUT THEY CAN GO AFTER THE PARENTS. IT WOULD BE A LIABILITY YEAH, BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS SOMEBODY IS LIABLE AND PERSONALLY LIABLE.
YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, I MAKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CUT INTO WHAT THE STATE.
I THINK ONE GOOD THING THAT NEPTUNE IS AHEAD OF US, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY PUT THOSE BLUE SIGNS UP THERE SPECIFICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE POINTS IN THE CITY AND YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO WHERE TO PUT THOSE. ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THIS ALSO IN THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY, THE MERCHANTS, THEY SEE THAT THEY SEE THAT PROBLEM TOO DOWN AT THE AT THE CORNER OF COMMISSIONER RING. WHAT WAS THE TIME LIMIT THAT NEPTUNE BEACH STARTED THIS? IF WE START TONIGHT. YEAH. I'M. I'M CONCERNED WITH THIS WE'RE TAKING TOO LONG ON THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE IN AN ORDER, BUT SINCE I STEPPED IN IN NOVEMBER OF 22, THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION NOT JUST BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT PRIMARILY BY THE CITIZENS.
AND IT IS FRIGHTENING AS A PARENT AND HEARING THAT PAST CHILD WHO WAS KILLED ON AN E-BIKE RIGHT THERE AT PENMON IN FLORIDA, YOU'RE WRITING THESE TICKETS TO SAVE LIVES. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SIT ON THIS ANY LONGER.
WHAT IS THE YOU KNOW, WHEN DID NEPTUNE BEACH START AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT TIME WISE? WHEN WAS THIS ORDINANCE? THE ORDINANCE THEY PASSED WAS THE 4TH DAY OF OCTOBER.
WAIT A SECOND, 2021 THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
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IT SAYS PASSED ON FIRST READING, 8TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2021.I DON'T KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WELL, THEY REALLY GOT STARTED A WHILE AGO.
WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHEN THEY PASSED IT. THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO START TOMORROW. HOWEVER, WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF WE GIVE VIC ENOUGH DIRECTION TONIGHT, AND HE'S PUTTING IT TOGETHER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE COULD USE OUR SIGNS, OUR ELECTRIC SIGNS, TO START ADVERTISING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION IS PUTTING TOGETHER A E-BIKE ORDINANCE.
YES COMMISSIONER. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE OFFICERS OUT ON BICYCLES OR I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO ENFORCE THIS? SO IT'D BE A HEAVY EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, OBVIOUSLY.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE, AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HAVE WITH NEPTUNE BEACH'S ORDINANCE PUTTING A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON E-BIKES OR THEIR OPERATION IS I CAN'T REALLY SEE OFFICERS OUT THERE USING LASER LASERS TO AND RADAR TO TRACK BIKES AND THEN TRACK, YOU KNOW, GO AFTER THE BIKE AND WRITE THEM A TICKET FOR THE MILES PER HOUR. I WOULD RATHER WE WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, LOOK, THERE MUST BE A REASONABLE AND PRUDENT OPERATION OF THE BICYCLE.
CHIEF AND I HEAR YOU, BUT HOW IS CHIEF KEYS DOING IT IN NEPTUNE BEACH? HOW IS HE ENFORCING IT? BECAUSE HE'S WRITING TICKETS.
SO HE IS USING LASER. THEY WOULD HAVE TO. YEAH.
AND SO WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? IT IT'S VERY HARD.
SO, NO, IT TAKES MANPOWER I GET IT. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SET A SPEED LIMIT, I'M GOING TO PUT OFFICERS OUT TO RUN LASER ON SIDEWALKS TO CATCH BIKES GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. I THINK DEPENDING UPON HOW WE WRITE THE WRITE THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD DICTATE, BUT CERTAINLY ON THE STREET. MY POINT IS OPERATIONALLY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
SO I'D RATHER GIVE THE OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO, TO MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT THE OPERATION OF THE BIKE WAS TOO FAST FOR THE CONDITIONS OR UNREASONABLE FOR THE SITUATION, AND THEY COULD STILL WRITE THE ORDINANCE VIOLATION FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO ME IT'S REAL SIMPLE. 15 OVER 15 NOW, OF COURSE, MY NEXT QUESTION ON THAT, IF YOU WENT WITH 15, YOU KNOW HOW WE DO WITH CARS.
I DON'T WANT 9 MILES OVER 15 ON THE E-BIKE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A HARD NUMBER, THAT THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY, AND WE CAN WRITE A TICKET. AND I'D LIKE TO WRITE SOME TICKETS BEFORE SOMEBODY DIES IN OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY A CHILD, I'D LIKE TO WRITE SOME TICKETS.
YES. YEAH. CHIEF DO I WOULD THINK BEFORE WE'RE LASERING BIKES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE THE THESE THE USERS, THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO DO MORE THAN JUST SPEED, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW THROUGH STOP SIGNS. THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN BEACH, YOU KNOW, IN EITHER DIRECTION AND AVOID ALL THOSE STOP SIGNS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF TODAY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN 15 IS NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO DO MUCH MORE THAN THAT TO TO SHOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND DISCIPLINED IN SOME WAY. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF SPEED, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT NEPTUNE'S ORDINANCE THEY PUT IN, ADOPT AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN IN SHORT ORDER, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE MORE POWER AS A BEACH COMMUNITY IF WE'RE ALL CONSISTENT.
BUT I DO THINK A SPEED LIMIT IS IS PRUDENT, AND, AND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEPTUNE HAS DONE ABOUT ON THE BEACH USE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE STATE STATUTE THAT YOU SHOWED US, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE BIKES, THE CLASS THREE BIKES CAN GO 28 MILES AN HOUR ON THE BEACH RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE NUTTY. YEAH.
WE GOTTA REIN ALL THAT IN. AND AND IF WE HAVE TO JUST TAKE THEM OFF THE BEACH, PUT THEM ON THE STREET AND MAKE THEM OBEY THE RULES, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION. IF I WOULD SAY THAT, I'D SAY THAT IT'S A LEGITIMATE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO IF WE CAN ALLOW A CAR TO GO 25MPH AND YOU HAVE A REASONABLE USER ADULT USER WHO WANTS TO DRIVE THEIR BIKE 20MPH DOWN SEMINOLE ROAD TO GET TO AND FROM WORK, I THINK WE HAVE TO ALLOW THAT. ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LICENSED AND UNLICENSED IN TERMS OF SPEED ALLOWANCES?
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WELL, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION FOR THIS COMMISSION. IF THEY WANT TO SET AN AGE LIMIT FOR E-BIKE OPERATION IN THE CITY, YOU CAN GO THAT ROUTE. THAT MAY ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT ADULTS TRYING TO THE CONCERN HERE IS A HIGHLY EMOTIONAL ONE. USUALLY IT CENTERS AROUND KIDS OR SOMEONE GOING THROUGH A STOP SIGN AT, YOU KNOW, 15, 20MPH. THE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN OUT.THEY'VE BEEN WATCHING. SO THEY'VE BEEN WATCHING STOP SIGNS AND WATCHING FOR E-BIKES.
I THINK THERE'S A GOOD MEASURE OF DISCRETION THAT'S INVOLVED.
WE DON'T WRITE EVERY CAR A TICKET THAT ROLLS THROUGH A STOP SIGN.
ON MY BIKE, I DON'T STOP FOR STOP SIGNS, RIGHT? IF I LOOK UP AND IT'S A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION LIKE EVERYBODY IN HERE DOES, AND THERE'S NO OTHER CARS WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THROUGH, RIGHT? NO ONE'S COMING TO A COMPLETE STOP IF I CAN LOOK UP AND GO, THERE'S NO CARS AT THE INTERSECTION I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH ON MY BICYCLE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MEASURE OF DISCRETION THAT HAS TO BE APPLIED.
WHAT I'VE ASKED THE OFFICERS TO DO IS DO THE SAME THING THEY DO FOR CARS.
IF YOU'RE SITTING AND WATCHING AN INTERSECTION AND AN E-BIKE GOES THROUGH AN UNREASONABLE SPEED, RIGHT, OR VIOLATES SOMEONE ELSE'S RIGHT OF WAY, BY ALL MEANS GIVE THEM A TICKET. IF THEY SLOW DOWN ON A BICYCLE OR E-BIKE AND THEY GO TWO MILES AN HOUR AND THEY'RE LOOKING AROUND AND SEEING IF EVERYBODY'S CLEAR AND THERE'S NO OTHER CARS, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WRITE A CAR TICKET FOR THAT.
BUT LET'S UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF GIVE AND TAKE REASONABLY.
HOLD ON [INAUDIBLE] CITY MANAGER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR.
SO IT SEEMS AS IN ORDER TO TRY TO MOVE THIS A LITTLE BIT, THE CHIEF LAID OUT SOME BASIC QUESTIONS TO ANSWER. SO THE FIRST WAS, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM? BECAUSE THAT WILL ANSWER SOME OF THE ENFORCEABILITY, BECAUSE THE QUESTION ABOUT ROLLING THROUGH A STOP SIGN APPLIES.
SO IF I'M ON A ROAD BIKE AND I ROLL THROUGH A STOP SIGN ON THE ROAD, THAT'S A VIOLATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO I'M NO LONGER BOUND BY THE PARTICULAR RULES.
IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE FOR SOME OF THEM TO TO SPRINT AT 25.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT THE CHIEF ASKED, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM? OR PERHAPS THE EASIER QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU NOT WANT TO ALLOW THEM? DO YOU NOT WANT TO ALLOW THEM ON SIDEWALKS? DO YOU NOT WANT TO ALLOW THEM ON BEACHES? IS IT MORE THAN JUST E-BIKES? IS IT SCOOTERS AND SEGWAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE THEN THAT GETS TO THE ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON A SIDEWALK AND THEY'RE ON THE SIDEWALK NOW, THEY VIOLATE IT. THAT'S EASY. THAT'S EASY.
IF THEY'RE ON THE ROAD NOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO CONSIDERATION.
ARE THEY OLDER THAN 16 IF YOU SET AN AGE LIMIT? SO I THINK THE BASELINE QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM, AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO ALLOW? OKAY. COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING WE NEED TO BOUND THIS.
WE'VE GOT A TOWN HALL MEETING COMING UP RIGHT IN ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF.
WHY DON'T WE AND I'VE WATCHED CHIEF, YOU KNOW THIS [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN GO DOWN A TUNNEL HERE, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING. WHY DON'T WE TURN THAT TOWN HALL INTO AN E-BIKE FOCUS AND AT THE END OF THAT, EITHER, YOU KNOW, COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, CAN ACHIEVE SOME IDEAS BECAUSE THESE ARE DEEP QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW THAT TONIGHT I'VE GOT AN OPINION. I HAVE AN OPINION THAT IF A KID DOESN'T HAVE A HELMET AND HE'S TEN YEARS OLD, YOU CONFISCATE THE E-BIKE, YOU CALL THE PARENTS UP AND MAKE THEM COME DOWN AND GET THE E-BIKE.
I KNOW, I KNOW, THAT'S CRAZY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TUNNELS.
WE CAN GO DOWN HERE AND WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME QUALITY TIME WITH WITH THE CITIZENS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN WRITE IT DOWN, GIVE IT TO THE CHIEF, AND AWAY WE GO. BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE MORE.
YES. COMMISSIONER RING. AND I KNOW THERE'S ALL THESE NUANCES THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, BUT IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU'RE GOING MORE THAN 15 MILES AN HOUR, THEN YOU AND YOU'RE ON A MOTORIZED VEHICLE OF SOME SORT, WHETHER IT BE A SEGWAY OR A SCOOTER OR AN E-BIKE, THEN YOU NEED TO MOVE TO THE ROAD. AND IN THAT CASE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU DO IT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH ON.
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OKAY. SO WHAT WHAT'S OUR DIRECTION? I, I ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA SUGGESTED BY COMMISSIONER BOLE THAT WE ADD THIS TO THE TOWN HALL IN TWO SATURDAYS FROM NOW. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE FROM THE TPO ON THE FIVE WAY STOP. IS THAT IS ARE WE LOADING IT UP TOO MUCH CHIEF? HERE'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS TYPICALLY WE TRY TO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOUR TOWN HALLS A YEAR WHERE WE LET THE CITIZENS BRING WHAT THEY WANT, AND HERE WE KEEP SETTING AGENDAS FOR OUR TOWN HALLS.SO, WELL, I WOULD ASK MR. MAYOR IF WE COULD GET SOME GUIDANCE ON THOSE THREE BASE QUESTIONS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE INPUT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CRAFT SOMETHING.
IF WE COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE THE CHIEF COULD AT LEAST HAVE A DRAFT OF SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION, I THINK WE'D BE IN A BETTER PLACE. OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS A DIFFERENT SLIDE I CAN'T READ.
IT'S ALMOST AT THE SECOND TO LAST, I THINK.
MIC] THERE IT IS, THERE IT IS, THERE IT IS. OKAY.
WHERE DO WE WANT THEM TO OPERATE? DO YOU WANT TO PLACE AN AGE LIMIT ON E-BIKE OPERATION? DO YOU WANT TO REGULATE OTHER. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT THAT THAT THIRD ONE ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF MESSINESS TO IT, BUT LET'S START NUMBER ONE. DO WE WANT TO E-BIKES TO OPERATE...
WHERE DO WE WANT E-BIKES TO OPERATE IN THE CITY? YOU CAN GO FROM RESTRICTING E-BIKES COMPLETELY OUT OF THE CITY BY ORDINANCE, OR BY THE WAY THE STATUTES READ.
AGAIN, KEY BISCAYNE DID IT BY ALLOWING THEM ONLY ON ROADWAYS.
NO SIDEWALKS, NO PARKS, NO NO PATHS. YOU CAN RIDE BIKES AND SCOOTERS ON THE ROAD AND THAT'S IT.
AND DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY WE CAN REGULATE THEM OFF THE BEACH IF WE WISH.
ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. BUT OTHERWISE ROADWAYS AND NOT NO SIDEWALKS AND NO BEACH, AND WHERE ELSE IS A NO.
THEN YOU'VE GOT FIFTH GRADER RIDING HIS E-BIKE ON THE ROAD WITH NO HELMET AND NO.
WELL, HE'S REQUIRED TO WEAR A HELMET UNDER 16.
THE REALITY IS YEAH, A LOT OF A LOT OF KIDS, SOME OF THE KIDS DON'T WEAR HELMETS.
WE HAVE A WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND ADDRESS THAT WITH THE SCHOOL TO TRY AND GET SOME WORD OUT TO THE PARENTS IF THEIR KIDS ARE RIDING E-BIKES TO SCHOOL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET CONTACTED BY AN OFFICER AND MAYBE WITH THE HELP OF THE PRINCIPAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN LIMIT OR RESTRICT E-BIKES OFF OF THE PROPERTY IF THEY'RE NOT WEARING HELMETS, I DON'T KNOW. DUVAL COUNTY QUESTION. CANDACE, I AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN, THOUGH.
THERE'S PEOPLE GOING ON TO WORK ON AN E-BIKE AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING, RIGHT, GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR.
THERE'S ALSO THE SAFE KIDS THAT ARE OPERATING IMPROPERLY WITH THE HELMET, YOU KNOW, SLOW ON A SIDEWALK, WHICH MAKES THEM EVEN SAFER THAN BEING OUT ON THE ROADWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ONE SIZE FITS ALL BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSUMERS OR USERS, RIGHT? THERE'S A GUY YOU DESCRIBED, AND THERE'S ALSO A KID THAT'S GOING 5, 10 MILES AN HOUR ON OUR LARGE SIDEWALKS THAT WE BUILT CALLED, YOU KNOW, WAY TO SCHOOL THAT RUN DOWN. SO IF YOU RESTRICT THEM, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? ARE THEY GOING TO GO ON THE ROAD? PROBABLY GOING TO GO ON THE SIDEWALK.
YEAH. OKAY. SO MY POINT WAS, IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT A 15 YEAR OLD POTENTIALLY WITHOUT A HELMET ON A ROADWAY, IN WHICH CASE, ONCE THESE RULES ARE WRITTEN, THEN THE PARENTS SAY, WELL, MAYBE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BUY AN E-BIKE FOR A 15 YEAR OLD OR A 14 YEAR OLD OR A 13 YEAR OLD. IT DOES 28 MILES AN HOUR.
BECAUSE THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN RIDE THEM NOW ARE THE ROADWAYS.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD INFLUENCE IN THAT DIRECTION TOO, BECAUSE SOME IT JUST ASTOUNDS ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE ON A FARM, I THINK PENNY SAID IT BEST IF YOU WERE ON A, YOU KNOW, HER FIRST, YOU KNOW, WHAT A MOTORCYCLE DID 28 OR 25 AND YOU KNOW YOU NEVER COULD RIDE THOSE ON THE STREET.
YOU HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, ON SOMEBODY'S FARM OR PROPERTY.
THAT JUST NEVER ALLOWED ON THE STREET AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE REALLY THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WE GOT LIKE, MOTORCYCLES, YOU KNOW, KIDS RIDING MOTORCYCLES, THEIR FIRST, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE OF ANY KIND GOING THAT FAST, YOU KNOW, ON OUR STREETS. THAT'S SCARY. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
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SO WHEN I TAUGHT AT FLETCHER, A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL ON THEIR SKATEBOARDS.AND SO IT KIDS ARE GOING TO GET AWAY WITH WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH.
SO THERE ARE RESPONSIBLE KIDS. COMMISSIONER I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
IS IT ILLEGAL TO BE ON ONE OF OUR ROADWAYS WITHOUT A LICENSE? I KNOW A BICYCLE. I'M SAYING IF I'M COMING DOWN SEMINOLE ROAD AND I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE AND I'M 12 YEARS OLD, IS THAT LEGAL? YES. YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED BY STATUTE AT THAT AGE TO HAVE A LICENSE.
OKAY. IT DEPENDS ON THE VEHICLE YOU'RE DRIVING, RIGHT? THE GOLF CART. THE GOLF CART. OR IT WOULD BE A LOW SPEED VEHICLE FOR US.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM? YEAH. OKAY. THANKS.
COMMISSIONER RING. COULD WE NOT JUST HAVE AT THE NEPTUNE BEACH ORDINANCE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'VE NOT LOOKED AT IT CAREFULLY ENOUGH. I DID NOTICE THE SIGNS UP MONTHS AGO, PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AGO, THAT THEY WENT UP. BUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS A STARTING POINT, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE BEING SO CLOSE.
A LOT OF OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO FLETCHER MIDDLE SCHOOL OR FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL RIDING THIS WAY.
ANOTHER SUGGESTION IF WE CAN'T HASH IT OUT TONIGHT, IS THAT WE TAKE THESE THREE QUESTIONS AND INDIVIDUALLY ANSWER THEM AND SEND THEM TO CHIEF VIC, ALONG WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, BILL KILLINGSWORTH AS AN ANSWER.
SO THAT WAY, WHEN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING SOLID TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SO SURE THAT I WOULD BAN E-BIKES FROM BEACHES.
I WOULD LIKE TO BAN RECKLESS USE OR EVEN HAVE A SPEED, A SPEED LIMIT SET ON THEM.
LET'S ASK THE QUESTION DO YOU KNOW IF NEPTUNE BEACH HAS BANNED E-BIKES FROM THE BEACH? SO I'LL READ THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE ORDINANCE. IS THERE WELL, THIS MAY NOT BE THEIR WHOLE AUDIENCE.
BUT THEIR DEFINITION OF RECKLESS IS A SPEED 15MPH IN EXCESS OF 15MPH.
RIGHT. WILLFUL, WANTON DISREGARD FOR SAFETY OF PERSONS OPERATING IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO CAUSE UNREASONABLE RISK OR HARM TO PROPERTY, OR PEOPLE ON STREETS OR SIDEWALKS. OPERATE IN A MANNER THAT IS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT UNDER CONDITIONS EXISTING AT THE TIME HAVING REGARD TO THE ACTUAL AND POTENTIAL HAZARDS EXISTING.
AND NO BICYCLE, ELECTRIC BICYCLE, SKATEBOARD, ROLLER SKATE, PERSONAL MOBILITY DEVICE MAY BE OPERATED ON STREETS OR SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE CITY IN A RECKLESS MANNER. THAT'S JUST THEIR RECKLESS DEFINITION.
YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. I DON'T RECALL IF THEY DID OR NOT, BUT LET ME JUST SAY I REALLY DON'T WANT TO RUN A LASER ON THE BEACH IN THE SUMMERTIME TO CATCH SOMEONE GOING 15 MILES AN HOUR, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THE OFFICER WILL THEN HAVE TO GO 25MPH TO CATCH THE GUY ON THE 15 MILE AN HOUR BIKE, DODGING THE SUNBATHERS. I'D RATHER JUST NOT HAVE THEM THERE, IF YOU ASK MY OPINION.
AND HOW DO THEY GET TO THE BEACH? ARE THEY GOING OVER OUR BOARDWALKS? PROBABLY OR, YOU KNOW, THE ATLANTIC BOULEVARD OR ONE OF THE ACCESSES, THE ROAD 7TH OR 15TH.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN COMPLETELY ANSWER THIS BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER RING MENTIONED, I'M BIG ON THIS IS I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO NEPTUNE BEACH.
WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL IF WE JUST ADOPTED THE SAME? NOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THAT, BUT IF WE ADOPTED EXACTLY THE SAME, THEN THE PEOPLE COMING FROM NEPTUNE BEACH ARE ALREADY TRAINED.
AND BY EXTENSION, MANY OF THE CHILDREN IN NEPTUNE BEACH KNOW ATLANTIC BEACH CHILDREN.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY TRAINED OR THEY'RE ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S COMING. BUT IF WE MAKE IT A LOT DIFFERENT, THEN IT'S GOING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE. IT'S AS SOON AS I PASS RAGTIME, I GOT TO CHANGE TO WHICH RULES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ALL OUR SITUATIONS WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED IN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE.
SO ACTUALLY I WASN'T THINKING I WAS THINKING OF 1ST.
SO THEIR 1ST STREET IS OUR OCEAN, OCEAN, OCEAN BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR BEACH IS STRAND.
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BUT OKAY [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S YOUR DIRECTION FOR CHIEF VIC? WHERE DO YOU WANT E-BIKES TO OPERATE IN THE CITY? I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE JUST LET HIM WRITE WHAT HE WANTS, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO TO ENVISION WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF HE MAKES HIS BEST RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE YOU HAVE WE HAVE A DOCUMENT TO DEVIATE FROM IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT HE'S DONE? I MEAN, HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.YEAH. COMMISSIONER. I THINK I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY AS MUCH AS IT HURTS.
REALLY. CHIEF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS, RIGHT? SO I THINK YOUR INPUT IS CRITICAL. I THINK THERE ARE SOME HOLES.
I'VE SEEN THAT LEGISLATION THEY HAVE OVER IN NEPTUNE BEACH.
SO I RECOMMEND THAT WE GIVE US BY WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY ANY PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THEM.
GIVE THEM TO THE CHIEF. LIKE I SAID, WE COULD WRITE A GREAT ORDINANCE, BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE PARK SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES WE HAVE, THEN IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.02. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT SINCE WE'VE GOT IT UP HERE, NUMBER TWO, DO YOU WANT TO PLACE AN AGE LIMIT ON E-BIKE OPERATION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE UNTIL WEDNESDAY TO JUST SEND HIM A NOTE? YEAH. I MEAN, WE GET A CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW. CHIEF WHAT'S YOUR VIEWPOINT ON THAT? THEY ARE ALL LEGITIMATE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION FOR KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 16 WHO OPERATE THEM REASONABLY.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT ARE SHOCKING TO OUR CONSCIENCE.
WE'VE SEEN BIKES GO WAY TOO FAST. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD PLACE A AN AGE LIMIT ON IT.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'VE SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF LOT OF KIDS WEARING HELMETS ON E-BIKES, RIDING ON THE SIDEWALKS, BEING REASONABLE. YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THEY WERE GOING 10, MAYBE 15 SOMETIMES.
BUT NO ONE TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO GO ANY SLOWER. SO THERE'S KIDS OUT THERE DOING THE RIGHT THING, TOO. RIGHT. SO ON THE THIRD ONE THERE, DO WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING OR NOTHING ON SEGWAYS AND OTHER E- VEHICLES? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO. THERE'S NO CITY ORDINANCE FOR US THAT RESTRICT SEGWAYS, SCOOTERS, MOPEDS, THE PLACES THEY CAN'T RIDE.
THE OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE IN OUR CITY PARKS, ON TURF FIELDS.
THEY OCCASIONALLY TEAR THE GRASS UP IN AND ON THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. SO IN HOWELL PARK OR THE TRAIL SYSTEMS WE HAVE, YOU CAN WALK HOWELL PARK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SKID MARKS OR ACCELERATION MARKS WHERE PEOPLE ARE SLIDING AROUND A CORNER ON THOSE ELECTRIC TYPE VEHICLES.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T BE IN THE PARK ON THOSE TRAIL SYSTEMS. AND FOR ME, IMAGINING SOMEONE WALKING THEIR DOG AND HAVING ONE OF THESE GUYS OR 2 OR 3 OF THEM COME AROUND THE CORNER JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BAD ACCIDENT. SO I'D LIKE TO RESTRICT OUR PARKS ONLY FOR PEDESTRIAN USE, OR ONLY BICYCLE USE. PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SOMETHING THAT'S HUMAN POWERED, BUT NOTHING ELECTRIC POWERED OR GAS POWERED.
JUST ONE POINT, I THINK IT WAS IN JAX BEACH, THAT THE DIFFERENCE WITH AN ELECTRIC BIKE ON THE BEACH IS THAT THEY DON'T MAKE THE NOISE, THE SOUND AND THEY CAN, THEY'VE RUN OVER PEOPLE ON BEACHES WITH ELECTRIC BIKES.
YEAH, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MAKING A NOISE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ALERT THAT THEY'RE COMING. SO YEAH, I WOULD KEEP THEM ALL OFF THE BEACH, YEAH, ME PERSONALLY. THAT'S 70 OR 80 POUND VEHICLE GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR, MASS TIMES VELOCITY IS GOING TO HURT SOMEBODY.
OKAY. SO I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR, CHIEF VIC TO WRITE HIS BEST GUESS ON THE FIRST DRAFT, AND FOR US TO NOTIFY HIM BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS WEDNESDAY IF WE HAVE SOME PARTICULAR POINTS OR DESIRES, AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
COMMISSIONER BOLE WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IN THE TOWN HALL.
AND PROBABLY FOR US, ONE OF THE MORE CONCERNING ISSUES IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM IN OUR CITY AND DO YOU WANT THEM ON THE SIDEWALKS OR NOT? AND ARE YOU GOING TO EXPECT US TO ENFORCE A SPEED LIMIT ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER FOR US THAN JUST WRITING THE ORDINANCE.
SO IN NEPTUNE BEACH'S RECKLESS DEFINITION, THOSE LAST TWO THAT I MENTIONED IN A MANNER THAT'S UNREASONABLE BASICALLY, OR UNREASONABLE FOR THE CONDITIONS THEN EXISTING.
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SO THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO APPLY.SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD ADVOCATE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN OURS.
IT JUST BECOMES A LITTLE HARDER FOR US WHEN WE IF I ENVISION HOW I'M GOING TO ENFORCE THAT AND PUTTING OFFICERS AT LOCATIONS WITH LASERS TO TRACK PEOPLE'S SPEED, AND THERE'S NEVER A COP AROUND WHEN YOU NEED ONE, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THEM ARE ALWAYS GOING TO GET AWAY FROM US.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE IT BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN THE CITY AND TRAVEL UP AND DOWN THE STREETS, BUT THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A POLICE OFFICER THERE TO WRITE A TICKET.
I JUST NEED TO MAKE IT AS AS OFFICER FRIENDLY AS I CAN AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT AND HOW DO WE EXECUTE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHIEF, ON THE DEFINITION OF RECKLESS, CAN WE INCORPORATE AGE SO ITS AGE, CONDITION, ACTIVITY, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 10 YEAR OLD OPERATING AN E-BIKE, GOING 25 MILES AN HOUR, AND A 30 YEAR OLD WHO'S USING THE E-BIKE TO GET TO AND FROM WORK.
RIGHT. SO WHAT MAY BE RECKLESS MAY BE CONDITIONAL ON ON THE USER SOMEWHAT.
YEAH. I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PRESENT THAT IN COURT TO ARTICULATE THAT THAT 10 YEAR OLD SOMEHOW SHOULDN'T BE DOING SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOWED A 20 YEAR OLD TO DO. IN THAT INSTANCE, I'D SAY JUST A HARD AND FAST MILE PER HOUR LIMIT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO ARGUE.
COMMISSIONER BOLE THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS FACING THIS VERY QUESTION.
AND IF WE CAN WORK CHATGPT, WE CAN FIND THAT ANSWER AND, AND COME UP BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY WILL GO THROUGH ALL THE ORDINANCES AND THEY WILL FIND THAT THAT VERY ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, COMMISSIONER, THAT CHATGPT DOES NOT ALWAYS GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER.
WELL, YOU DON'T WORK IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
ONE, IS TO PETITION TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THE STATE LAW ON THE AGE LIMIT.
THAT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIG ANSWER.
YEAH. AND MAYBE SOME COMPONENT FOR EITHER LICENSING OR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS.
SO CHIEF I KNOW THIS IS NOT CLEAR, IT'S AS CLEAR AS MUD, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE FOR US TO REVIEW BASED ON WHAT FEEDBACK YOU GET AND YOUR OWN BELIEFS ON ENFORCEABILITY? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE'LL DEVELOP SOMETHING, AND BY ALL MEANS, IT'LL BE A DRAFT.
WE CAN CHANGE WHATEVER ADD OR TAKE AWAY, TRY AND ENCOMPASS SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC PROBABLY THOSE THREE QUESTIONS WOULD HELP US OUT ABOUT AGE LIMITS.
WHERE DO YOU WANT THEM? DO YOU NOT WANT THEM? THAT MIGHT HELP US. YEAH. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
SO PERHAPS THIS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO OUR LOBBYISTS THAT WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN WHEREVER THEY HAVE AN INPUT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK WE WORKED THAT FAIRLY THOROUGHLY FOR TONIGHT.
I STILL HAVE OH GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
SO THERE'S BEEN SOME CHATTER THAT THE CITY ILLEGALLY ALLOWED CAMPING AT TIDE VIEW.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT. TIDE VIEW WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND WE ALLOWED THE CONTRACTOR TO USE THE PARKING LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AS A LAY DOWN YARD. WE ALLOWED THEM TO USE THAT AS A LAY DOWN YARD, ALSO FOR 18TH STREET, BECAUSE THERE WAS SECURE ACCESS TO IT. THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH PEOPLE STEALING EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS OR TAKING EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS AND THROWING IT INTO THE INTERCOASTAL. SO WE ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE A ON SITE SECURITY FOR 24 HOURS WHILE THEY WERE OUT THERE DOING THEIR CONSTRUCTION, WHILE THEIR ON SITE PERSONNEL WAS USING A POP UP CAMPER AND NOT A MOBILE OFFICE TYPE VEHICLE.
THAT CAMPER WAS ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST THE BOLLARDS AND IT WAS COVERED BY THEIR UTILITY TRAILERS.
SO THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS LEGAL OR NOT.
THERE IS NO THERE WAS NO CAMPING. AND I WOULD ARGUE, MR. MAYOR, THAT HAVING ON SITE SECURITY DURING A CONSTRUCTION IS IS NOT AGAINST CITY ORDINANCE CODE.
SO IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT AT THE LAST MUSIC FESTIVAL, WHICH BY ALL ACCOUNTS, WAS BASED ON WHAT I HEARD, THE BEST ONE WE'VE HAD. THAT THERE WAS ILLEGAL LIQUOR BEING SOLD OR DISTRIBUTED THERE WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE CITY'S ORDINANCE
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CODE. SO IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BRING A REVISION OF OUR CODE TO THE COMMISSION. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED WITH IS I KNOW THE ARTIST FESTIVAL AT ADELE AND BOLE IN THE PAST, THE VENDOR HAS ASKED EACH OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN WHICH HE SELLS A PAD TO, MUCH LIKE THE FARMER'S MARKET, TO PROVIDE TWO BOTTLES OF WINE AS PART OF THE CONTRIBUTION.AND THAT WAS THE WINE THAT THEY USED TO SERVE.
SO AND STICKING TO OUR RISK MANAGEMENT POLICY I THINK OUR CODE NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO ENSURE THAT ANY ALCOHOL, WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE, WHETHER IT'S ONLY BEER AND WINE OR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AND WHEREVER YOU END UP, WHICHEVER FACILITIES YOU CHOOSE TO END UP ALLOWING IT, THAT IT ONLY BE DISTRIBUTED BY A CATERER WITH A VALID ALCOHOL LICENSE FOR THE TYPE OF ALCOHOL THAT THEY WOULD BE SELLING.
AND ALSO WITH THE APPROPRIATE INSURANCE TO COVER THAT.
SO I GUESS THERE I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ASK FOR CONSENSUS IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US STAFF TO BRING BACK SOME REVISIONS TO THE CODE AND IF NOT CODE, THEN POLICY. YEAH. PART OF OUR PROBLEM HERE WAS THE VENDOR.
THE LINE WAS ABOUT 25, 30 PEOPLE DEEP. THE VENDOR HAD TWO SITES.
PART OF THAT, I THINK, COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY EVEN HAVING TWO VENDORS AT DIFFERENT SITES, BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT EVENT, BUT YOU HAD TO WAIT 30, 40 MINUTES TO GET A BEVERAGE, AND IT WAS VERY EASY TO GO ACROSS THE STREET. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I GUESS MY POINT IS, PART OF THAT WAS A VENDOR PROBLEM ALSO IN MY OPINION.
THAT, YOU KNOW, DROVE DROVE THE LOCALS OUT TO THE, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.
YES. COMMISSIONER RING. YEAH SO REGARDING THAT ORDINANCE, AS IT'S WRITTEN, WE HAVE ONLY PERMITTED BEER AND WINE, BUT WHAT WAS SOLD AT THE MUSIC FESTIVAL THIS PAST, WE BROKE OUR OWN LAW, SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T FINE OURSELVES. RIGHT. OR CAN WE? BUT SO HOW HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS HAPPENED? HOW LONG HAS IT HAPPENED? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD? I HEAR CITY MANAGER MENTIONING OPENING UP THE ORDINANCE.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT. IT DOESN'T MENTION LIQUOR AT ALL.
I REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THE LIQUOR FESTIVALS TO BEACHES SOUTH FROM HERE AND NOT HERE.
THE BEER AND WINE SALES, I THINK ARE FINE, I'M FINE WITH.
I KNOW I HAVE A TON OF FRIENDS WHO REALLY ENJOYED THEMSELVES, AND IT USED TO BE THE JAZZ FESTIVAL, I BELIEVE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SO I'M ALL FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME.
BUT AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS MENTIONED, THIS IS A RISK MANAGEMENT ISSUE.
AND I, I THINK WE, WE GOT A WE GOT REALLY LUCKY FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING, MANY FESTIVALS THIS HAS HAPPENED THAT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ACCIDENT.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE HIGHLIGHT HERE AND THE TAKEAWAY.
WELL, THEY CAN'T GET DRUNK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH THE LINE TO GET THE DRINK.
HERE TO GIVE A DIRECT TO CITY MANAGER TO WRITE OR REWRITE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE? WELL, BEFORE WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, MAYOR, CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE TO THE CITY MANAGER? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN IN ORDER TO INCLUDE LIQUOR? BECAUSE I DON'T. SO WHETHER OR NOT IT INCLUDES LIQUOR OR NOT, THAT'S A COMMISSION THING.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT I MEAN, I CAN DO IT BY POLICY, WHERE WE DON'T ALLOW EVENTS THAT THAT HAVE ALCOHOL WITHOUT A VENDOR WHO HAS AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. OKAY.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE STRONGER IF THAT WAS IN THE CODE ITSELF.
IS THAT THE ERROR OF OUR WAYS THAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN TOO VAGUE, THAT WE NEVER CAUGHT IT BEFORE. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE SERVING OF LIQUOR AT THE MUSIC FESTIVAL, SO THAT'S GONE ON AT LEAST THREE CITY MANAGERS PRIOR TO ME.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG PRIOR TO THAT. THAT'S AS FAR BACK AS I AS I COULD TRACK IT.
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SO YOU WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE A LIQUOR ALLOWED, AND IF SO, WHERE? AND THEN WHAT I WOULD ARGUE NEEDS TO BE IN THERE WHICH IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN THERE, I WILL DO MY POLICY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE CODE IS THAT THE VENDORS, IF WE DO ALLOW ALCOHOL, IT HAS TO BE THROUGH A VENDOR WHO HAS A VALID ALCOHOL LICENSE.THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING UNDER THEIR OWN LICENSES THIS PAST YEAR.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT THEY HAD LICENSES. OH, WELL WE JUST REALLY GOT LUCKY, DIDN'T WE, JASON? WELL, AND AS AS WE'VE POINTED OUT IN OUR CONVERSATION FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
BUT I I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN AND SAY I'D LIKE TO RESTRICT IT TO JUST BEER AND WINE.
THAT JOHANSEN PARK IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T FEEL ANY NEED TO SERVE HARD ALCOHOL. WELL, YOU COULD IF YOU WANTED TO SOMETIMES ALLOW UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, I COULD CRAFT THE ORDINANCE IN SUCH A WAY THAT BEER AND BEER AND WINE WAS PERMISSIBLE THROUGH MY AUTHORITY WITH AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. AND IF THERE WAS AN EVENT THAT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE COMMISSION AGREED, NOPE, THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR LIQUOR, THAT THE COMMISSION COULD APPROVE THAT INDIVIDUAL EVENT.
SO IT WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY PROFFERED AN EVENT AND SAID, WE WOULD LIKE LIQUOR HERE AND THE COMMISSION THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE THEN THE COMMISSION COULD APPROVE. OR WE COULD JUST SAY, NO LIQUOR.
NOW, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, COMMISSIONER? I THINK SO I HAVE IT PULLED UP RIGHT NOW, AND IT SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY, FOR SPECIAL EVENT, GRANT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE.
IT'S NOT THE JAX BEACH PAVILION, WHICH IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PARKS.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE AN ADULT AUDIENCE, IT'S UP AGAINST ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.
I MEAN, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL VIEW ON WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION ALLOWS ALCOHOL, I MEAN, ALLOWS LIQUOR. IT SOUNDS LIKE BEER AND WINE THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH I'M JUST SAYING IF IF THAT IS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, THEN HEY I NEED A PROCESS FOR IT. AND B, I WOULD LIKE THE ORDINANCE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THE VENDOR HAD TO HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, EVEN THOUGH IF YOU DON'T, I'M GOING TO REQUIRE THAT.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE WRITING OF IT, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE ORDINANCE WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE BEER AND WINE EVENTS, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY COMMISSION WISHES TO ENTERTAIN AN EXCEPTION FOR ALCOHOL, THE CITY COMMISSION COULD DO THAT THAT WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE A NEW ORDINANCE.
BUT I LIKE THAT IT GIVES THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.
I GO WITH LIQUOR EVERY TIME. SORRY. ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO SEND THE CITY MANAGER OFF TO WRITE SOMETHING? YES. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S PRETTY OPEN. WRITE SOMETHING.
I WILL WRITE SOMETHING. AND LAST BUT... YOU STILL GOING? OH, YEAH. I GOT TWO MORE. IT'S A BIG AGENDA TONIGHT, MR. MAYOR. SO THERE WAS THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON THE EMAIL SYSTEM.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO OUR SYSTEM. I TALKED WITH RON TODAY, OUR IT DIRECTOR, AND HIS PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT OUR SYSTEMS AND THE PRODUCTS WE USE IN THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THAT'S A SECURITY RISK.
BUT I WOULD LIKE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION.
THERE IS AN ACCOUNT, IT'S THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THE SYSTEMS WORK, THERE IS NO WAY WITHOUT HAVING A STAFF EMPLOYEE SCREEN THEM FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THEMSELVES TO SCREEN THOSE EMAILS THAT ARE SENT TO ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS TO GET RID OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEND AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY, YOU JUST PUT IN EVERYBODY'S NAME.
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I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE NOW YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OUR SPAM FILTER SERVER, AND YOU CAN GET AN EMAIL EVERY DAY THAT CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S IN THERE AND GIVE YOU A LINK TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ACTIVATE. BUT I THINK THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN HEARING OVER THE HOLIDAYS IS SIMPLY TO GET RID OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GROUP ACCOUNT. COMMISSIONER.MR. GRANT? YEAH. SO WHY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING, WHY IS THERE IS IT PROBLEMATIC FOR THAT EMAIL ADDRESS? YEAH. SO NONE OF YOU ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS. I MEAN, YOU'RE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR EMAIL IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S SOMETHING @COAB.US. IT'S NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS @CO.
SO IF THOSE, SO NONE OF YOU CAN GO IN AND CHECK THAT FOR SPAM, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO DOES THAT AND MAKES A DETERMINATION WHETHER IT SHOULD BE FORWARDED TO YOU OR NOT. A IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO HAVE A STAFF PERSON TRY TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR YOU.
AND B, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE ISSUE WAS THAT FOR PART OF THE TIME, THE STAFF PERSON WAS ON LEAVE.
AND THEN PART OF THE TIME, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION ON WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
BUT IF WE GOT RID OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GROUP ACCOUNT AND IT WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO EACH INDIVIDUAL, YOU DO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR SPAM FOLDER THAT IS COMMISSIONER@COAB.US.
YES. COMMISSIONER RING. AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT IF.
SO JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THE BEACHES LEADER HAD A FRONT PAGE EDITORIAL PIECE THERE, AND THEY MENTIONED THE TIDE VIEWS PRESERVES, BUT IT ALSO MENTIONED A CITIZEN WHO SENT ELECTED OFFICIALS@COAB.US AN EMAIL.
I PERSONALLY NEVER RECEIVED THAT EMAIL THROUGH IT.
AND SO AFTER SOME DIGGING, THERE IS A QUARANTINE FOLDER THAT WE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS WEREN'T GIVEN ACCESS TO BECAUSE THROUGH THAT, ELECTED OFFICIALS @COAB.US , A STAFF MEMBER WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE THE EMAIL.
SO IF IT WAS FLAGGED IN OUR SYSTEM AND AGAIN, NOT TO GO TOO IN DETAIL TO KEEP OUR SECURITY PURPOSES.
BUT THAT STAFF MEMBER, IF THEY WERE ON LEAVE OR IF THEY MISSED IT, THEN WE NEVER GOT IT.
AND SO OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO, WE'VE EACH BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO THAT QUARANTINE FOLDER WITHIN OURSELVES WITHIN OUR OWN PERSONAL ELECTED OFFICIALS EMAIL, NOT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS @COAB.US .
SO WHAT WHAT I, I LIKE ABOUT HAVING ONE ACCESS TO IT, BUT ALSO I'M NOT WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DELIVER AN EMAIL TO ME OR TO BE AVAILABLE TO DELIVER THAT. WE EACH ALL NOW HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT OURSELVES.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT 30 DAYS IT WILL BE DELETED.
SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT. LET ME JUST CLARIFY, WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU WAS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GROUP, THOSE EMAILS, IF CAUGHT IN SPAM, ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
DO NOT. YOU DON'T GET NOTIFIED THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN SPAM.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SPAM. IT'S IT'S MORE THAN A SPAM.
RIGHT. BUT DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INDIVIDUALLY GO INTO THAT QUARANTINE FOLDER FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS? FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS? NO. SO WE DON'T SHE CAN GO IN. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO AT THIS POINT IS OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE CANNOT. YEAH. WELL WE YEAH FAIR ENOUGH. BUT THE POINT IS IF IF ONE IS HELD AND THERE ISN'T A PERSON RESPONSIBLE DAILY FOR CHECKING THAT AND PUSHING THEM ONTO US, WE'LL HIT THE SAME PROBLEM AGAIN.
YES. PART OF IT IS, I MEAN, PEOPLE SEND TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEN I HEAR FROM PEOPLE THEY EXPECT, WHY DIDN'T WE ALL RESPOND? FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE GOT SUNSHINE, SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A CONVERSATION ON EMAIL.
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BUT ALSO, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT THAT THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE PERSON TYPICALLY, IT'S THE PERSON ON THE TO LINE, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S CC'D IS NOT REQUIRED TO RESPOND, IT'S THE PERSON ON THE TO LINE, OR THE TWO PEOPLE OR THE THREE PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE TO START PAYING ATTENTION.ASK MAYOR FORD IF YOU WANT MAYOR FORD RESPONSE.
BUT YES COMMISSIONER. SO IF I'M A CITIZEN AND I WANT TO SEND AN EMAIL TO ALL OF US, RIGHT, WHAT DO I DO? DO I HAVE TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY TO EACH COMMISSIONER AND MAYOR? SO IN THE TO LINE YOU WOULD JUST PUT EVERYBODY, PUT EVERYBODY OKAY.
OR YOU COULD DO ONE PERSON IN THE TO LINE AND CC EVERYBODY.
OKAY. THANKS. SO COULD COULD WE GET A CONSENSUS TO ASK CITY MANAGER TO DELETE THE GROUP EMAIL? YES. I DON'T THINK THE CITIZENS WOULD LIKE THAT.
WHY? WE WOULD GET A LOT OF MAIL FROM THEM AND IT'S EASY FOR THEM JUST TO SEND ONE EMAIL TO ALL OF US COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON 3300 STREET, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TYPE IN ALL OUR NAMES IF THEY REMEMBER THEM.
SO YES, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER.
BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT EMAILS GOING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS@COAB.US, AND US NOT GETTING THEM, US NOT HAVING I MEAN, THAT'S WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE SEMANTICS OF IT ALL, THAT JUST BOTHERS ME, YOU KNOW. IT WELL, IT BOTHERS ALL OF US. AND OF COURSE, LEGITIMATELY, SOME PEOPLE WERE UPSET.
PERHAPS WE COULD AGREE TO DO THIS FOR 90 DAYS 90 DAY PERIOD AND THEN DO A LOOK BACK IF WE THINK WE ERRORED, WE CAN GO BACK TO A GROUP EMAIL. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A CITIZEN SENDS AN EMAIL TO ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR MESSAGE? IT WOULD BOUNCE BACK. SO THEY DON'T BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE MESSAGE. THEY WOULD GET SOME MESSAGE THAT IT WOULD BE UNDELIVERABLE.
SO THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHY, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
I THINK THEY WOULD. I THINK IT WOULD SAY THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS INVALID.
YOU CAN PUT A RULE ON THAT THAT WOULD GIVE THEM AN EXPLANATION.
THIS IS A TASK FOR KEVIN. OKAY, ROB. WELL, I KNOW KEVIN NEEDS TO SPREAD THE WORD.
OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE THAT AS A CONSENT.
I THINK WE HAVE THE CONSENT. AND WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY LAST ITEM.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, MANY OF THEM ARE JUST EXPENDING MONEY THAT YOU'VE APPROPRIATED IN THE BUDGET. I WILL SAY PART OF THIS, I THINK, IS BECAUSE I'VE ASKED STAFF IF IT'S A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET TO HAVE THEM AS CONSENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS DESIRE TO HAVE THEM TRACKED BY A RESOLUTION NUMBER.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD THIS COMMISSION, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSION NOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ANY RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE THAT IS LARGELY MINISTERIAL COULD BELONG THERE.
BUT I JUST NEED A SENSE FROM THE COMMISSION ON.
[INAUDIBLE]. AS IT'S SET. DON'T WE HAVE IT AS IF YOU IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE PUT IT UNDER THE CONSENT ITEM, IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE IT SET NOW? SO IF I, IF I, IF IT FALLS UNDER BENEATH MY AUTHORITY, THEN IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN COME TO YOU.
THESE ARE ALL SO EVERYTHING HERE WOULD BE AN ITEM.
AND SO THAT'S A QUESTION, AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS WELL.
BUT THE INITIAL QUESTION WAS FOR A STRAIGHTFORWARD THINGS THAT ARE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ESSENTIALLY ALREADY APPROVED IN THE PAST. SO YOU'VE APPROVED THE BUDGET FOR A CONTRACT, AND WE BRING A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE CONTRACT. DO WE NEED A STANDALONE RESOLUTION FOR THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO INTO CONSENT? SAME THING FOR, YOU KNOW, PURCHASES OR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO COMMENT AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND WE'VE WE'VE NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED IT, BUT WHEN WE GET A CONSENT AGENDA AND THERE'S 3 OR 4 ITEMS IN THERE, WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PULL AN ITEM OUT.
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THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO READ THEM IN ADVANCE, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CITY MANAGER OR THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SAY, OH, I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE TO PULL IT OUT WHEN WHEN WE GO TO THE COMMISSION.AND THAT'S AND SO WE STILL SHOULD HAVE YOUR AUTHORITY IS UNDER $25,000.
CORRECT. SO JUST AS IT'S BEEN AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BY ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING.
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO WE NOT HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION IF WE'RE EXCEEDING YOUR AUTHORITY? WE DO. SO IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT HAS VARIED OVER TIME.
SO I THINK WHEN JOE CAME IN AND KEVIN, YOU CAN COME UP AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WHEN JOE CAME, HE BASICALLY MADE EVERYTHING COME TO THE COMMISSION.
I THINK SOME OF HIS PREDECESSORS, IF IT WAS A LINE ITEM BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE MAY NOT HAVE COME TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAD ALREADY APPROVED IT.
BUT STARTING WITH JOE, EVERYTHING CAME TO THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S RIGHT. JUST DURING HIS INTERIM PERIOD.
NO, I THINK IT WAS DURING HIS FIRST GO AROUND.
SO AND COME ON UP KEVIN AND I BELIEVE KEVIN CAN QUALIFY THIS.
I BELIEVE DURING THE SIX MONTHS JOE WAS WITH US AS INTERIM, WE DID GO BACK AND DO SOME CONSENT.
DID WE NOT? YOU DID. I THINK WE DID A NUMBER OF THEM.
KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. WHAT BILL WAS REFERENCING WAS THAT WHEN JOE WAS CITY MANAGER WE FOLLOWED THE PROTOCOL OF IF A PURCHASE, EVEN IF IT WERE BUDGETED, WERE $25,000 OR MORE, CAME BACK TO THE COMMISSION VIA RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S FINE. BUT HERE'S WHERE WE CLEAN THIS UP, BECAUSE THIS CAN DRAG OUT FOR NO VALID REASON.
WE DO IT UNDER CONSENT, AND EACH OF YOU HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PULL IT FROM CONSENT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF I MAY.
ALSO YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR. WE ENDED UP IN JOE'S INTERIM CAPACITY, ACTUALLY, STARTING WITH THAT CONSENT PROTOCOL WITH THOSE ITEMS. YES. COMMISSIONER RING.
SO I'M ALL FOR STREAMLINING, AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, IF IT'S ON THERE EARLY ENOUGH THAT I CAN GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND I CAN ASK THE CITY MANAGER QUESTIONS DURING OUR FACE TO FACE, THEN I'M FINE WITH PUTTING IT ON THERE. ARE WE AT OR WOULD WE UP THE $25,000 OR WHAT ARE WE ALL AT? WOULD EVERYTHING FALL UNDER THERE? LIKE WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THAT AUTHORITY TO JUST PUT IT IN YOUR CONSENT AGENDA? WELL, I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN PURCHASING AUTHORITY.
IT'S JUST I'M ASKING HOW YOU WANT TO MANAGE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IF THE ANSWER IS USE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT AND PUT AS MUCH IN THERE AS APPROPRIATE.
I'M FINE WITH THAT AND I'LL START DOING THAT.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT KNOWING ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE, OR AT LEAST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE THEN I MEAN, I COULD, BY POLICY, NOT ALLOW ANYTHING ON CONSENT ONCE THE FINAL AGENDA IS PUBLISHED.
SO IF WE AMEND THE FINAL AGENDA, WE CAN AMEND IT WITH A CONSENT ITEM.
OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. AND I WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD GIVE ME PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS BEFORE. SO THAT WAY I DON'T HAVE TO PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT IT WOULD SAVE US TIME AND LET ME JUST COMMENT, I THINK EACH OF YOU DO, EACH OF US DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE THE MONDAY MEETING, COMMISSION MEETING.
AND IF YOU SAW SOMETHING UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO OBJECT TO, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST TELL HIM WHEN YOU MEET, BECAUSE THEN HE KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT OUT.
I F YOU HAVEN'T YET PRINTED YOUR FINAL AGENDA, YOU CAN PULL IT OUT NOW AND SEPARATE IT OUT FROM THE OTHER 3 OR 4 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. YES, BUT I WANT TO TALK TO TROY. OKAY, BUT BUT IF YOU LOOK AT AB, FOR INSTANCE, DOESN'T INVOLVE MONEY IN HERITAGE TREE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THE HERITAGE TREE CONSENT AGENDA.
THINGS LIKE THAT I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, THAT ARE NORMAL, WE'VE NEVER DISAPPROVED A HERITAGE TREE, FOR INSTANCE. SO WHAT? YOU COULD ALWAYS PULL IT OUT. I THINK THE TO THE POINT THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH ARTICULATED. LET HIM BE THE JUDGE AND YOU CAN BE THE JUDGE, THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
AND WITH THAT, THAT IS THE END OF MY CITY MANAGER REPORTS.
OH, MY. ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GET SOME REPORTS OR REQUESTS.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE. I'M YIELDING MY TIME.OKAY. COMMISSIONER GRANT. SO THIS PAST OR LAST WEEK, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE EPSON TOUR
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APPROACHED US MYSELF. AND IN TURN, I INTRODUCED THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER.THE EPSON TOURS, THEY'RE MINOR LEAGUE, IF YOU WILL, AND THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR SECOND ANNUAL ATLANTIC BEACH CLASSIC MARCH 6TH THROUGH 8TH AT ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB. JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB EVENT PER SE. ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB DONATES THE FACILITIES AND THE COURSE TO TO THE TOUR FOR USE DURING THIS EVENT. AND OF COURSE, EMPLOYEES FROM THE, FROM THE CLUB DO HELP YOU KNOW, RUN THINGS AND SUPPLY FOOD, ETC.. I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT JODY BROTHERS CHIEF BUSINESS AND OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR THE EPSON TOUR, IS A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
THE PROMOTION COMPANY TOUR VISION IS, THEIR CEO IS PATRICK NICHOL.
HE IS ALSO A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH. THIS TOUR HAS 125 CONTESTANTS AND THEIR SUPPORT TEAMS CONVERGING ON ATLANTIC BEACH. OVER THE LAST THE LAST TOURNAMENT ATTRACTED 8,000 VISITORS TO THE EVENT. AGAIN WITH EPSON TOUR AND LPGA, IT'S ALL ABOUT SUPPORTING GOLF WITH AND GROWING THE GAME WITH THE YOUNG LADIES, YOUNG GIRLS THEY HAVE NUMEROUS CHARITIES THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO, TO DRIVE THE GAME AND TO, TO, TO MORE DIVERSE, ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE TO ALL, ALL PEOPLE.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE TOURNAMENT LAST YEAR YIELDED ABOUT $500,000.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM STAYED THERE.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, MAINLY ON MAYPORT ROAD THERE WE HAD 75 ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS HOST ATHLETES AND THEIR AND THEIR FAMILIES OR SUPPORT STAFF.
AND THEN YOU HAD 300 PLUS VOLUNTEERS AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THEM FROM ATLANTIC BEACH.
SO WHAT'S THE ASK? THE ASK IS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SPONSORSHIP HELP.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR AROUND $10,000 WHICH GIVES US TWO OPTIONS.
WE CAN DEPEND ON THE TIMING. WE WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE OUR CITY LOGO ON THE ON THE ARM OF THE VOLUNTEER SHIRTS. THAT'S $300 PLUS.
AND IF THE TIMING DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE USED TO SERVE AND SPONSOR THEIR BREAKFAST, THE PLAYERS BREAKFAST FOR THE FOR THE ENTIRE, THE PLAYERS AND THE VOLUNTEERS FOR THE FOR THE COURSE OF THE EVENT.
SO WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE EVENT? MARCH 6TH THROUGH 8TH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER THIS. WELL, IF WE CITY MANAGER AND I RAN THROUGH THE RAN THROUGH THE NUMBERS, AND IF WE WE HAD SOMETHING ON NEXT THE NEXT MEETING FOR FIRST READING AND THEN WE HAVE SECOND READING AFTER THAT.
WE WOULD BE IN TIME TO NOT MEET THE TOURS THAT.
NOT THAT I'M NOT IN A HURRY TO SPEND $10,000.
YOU WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE MEETING, 10-15, YOU KNOW, 30 MERCHANTS OR THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, AND WE DO AND WE I'M ON THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER, BUT WE DO SPONSORSHIPS AND WE SPONSOR GOLF TOURNAMENTS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW. SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME IF I WAS GOING TO PITCH, I WOULD GO TO THAT MEETING.
YEAH, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO SPONSOR HIM OR YOU KNOW.
YEAH. ONE THING I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT AND THAT THEY DO, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN A LOT TO US.
IT DID GET TELEVISION COVERAGE FROM THE GOLF CHANNEL.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DESCEND ON OUR FAIR VILLAGE.
WE GET THAT. OTHER TOWNS, YOU KNOW, TREAT THAT DIFFERENTLY AND THEY SEE VALUE THERE.
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AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A GOODWILL TO TO, TO ENDORSE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. YES COMMISSIONER .
I HAVE A QUESTION. IN ORDER TO ATTEND THIS, WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE A COUNTRY CLUB MEMBER? OH, NO. OH, NO. THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT A VERY SMALL FEE.
I THINK MAYBE 5 $10 GETS YOU IN THE GATE. AS I, AS I MENTIONED, 8,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED THE EVENT.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY LIKE, 1,200 MEMBERS OF THE CLUB. OKAY.
YES, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
SO, AS COMMISSIONER GRANT NOTED, THERE IS IF THE COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO HELP SPONSOR THIS EVENT, THERE IS TIME BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO START THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, TELL ME IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD.
NO. MY PITCH IS THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY, I THINK, WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START.
YEAH, THEY ARE SOLICITING. OKAY. THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF STUFF.
THEY DO A GOOD JOB. THIS IS ONE OF THE POOREST, YOU KNOW, ATHLETIC EVENTS SO YOU HAVE TO FINISH, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE WOMEN ARE GREAT. IT'S JUST A HARD ROAD TO [INAUDIBLE] WORK. AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING WOMEN'S ATHLETIC ENDEAVORS.
I THINK I'M A NO, ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT AND I HATE TO SPEND $10,000 TONIGHT, SO. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRANT.
GREAT PRESENTATION. YOU CERTAINLY HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'M GOING TO SAY NO, I'M NOT IN FAVOR AT THIS TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE AND TALK TO THEM.
AND MAYBE SOMETHING WE DO SOMETHING NEXT YEAR, BUT I WANT I WANT TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IN THIS LITTLE TOWN OF 13,500 RESIDENTS, $10,000 MATTERS.
AND AND THIS IS NOT FOR FOR MANY OF OUR CITIZENS, THIS IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
AND THEY REALLY DON'T CARE WHETHER WE ARE SUCCESSFUL BRINGING A TOUR EVENT.
YEAH. SO BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP THAT.
ENOUGH THAT'S TRUE. THANK YOU, MR. GRANT. OKAY.
WHO WHO'S NEXT? AND WHO DID I CALL ON LAST? THAT WAS YOU.
OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER KELLY. SO, FIRST OF ALL, NEXT MONDAY IS NOT JUST A DAY OFF.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FREEZE ON THAT STAGE AT JAX BEACH.
SO PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE DAY OFF.
SO IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS NOW SINCE THE CHARTER REVISION WAS VOTED ON BY THE BY THE CITIZENS, AND THERE WAS WIDESPREAD APPROVAL FOR ADDING ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO THE CHARTER.
AND NOW IT'S OUR TIME TO ASK OURSELVES, HOW CAN WE BEST CARRY OUT THAT PROMISE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? AND SO THE ESC HAS BEEN REALLY ACTIVE IN TRYING TO FULFILL ALL THE MANY RESPONSIBILITIES DELINEATED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED ABOUT TEN YEARS, ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO NOW.
BUT NOTHING IN THIS DOCUMENT IS ANY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER THING.
AND SO IT'S UP TO US TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE OR PERHAPS DELEGATE MORE CLEARLY OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE TO SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
WE VOTED FOR THE LEEDS COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN, AND FIVE PEOPLE ON ESC ARE NOT ENOUGH TO CARRY OUT ALL THE MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED. SO IT'S TIME FOR US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THAT COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
SECOND OF ALL I'VE ASKED THIS TO CHIEF COUPLE MEETINGS AGO AND SINCE THE CITY A CITY [INAUDIBLE] CITY COMMISSIONER A COUNCILMAN FROM JACKSONVILLE HAS RAISED THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS.
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CHIEF TO GO ON RECORD AGAIN AND EXPLAIN WHY SO FAR, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH HOMELESSNESS.[INAUDIBLE] SO I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A ROBUST RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUPPORT AGENCIES.
I TALKED TO TRACY TODAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, ABOUT A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THE SULZBACHER CENTER.
THEY EXPLAINED TO THEM THEIR OPTIONS. WE DO HAVE A SMALL HOMELESS POPULATION.
BUT WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP ALSO WITH THE BUSINESSES HERE.
IF THE BUSINESSES CHOOSE NOT TO ALLOW THOSE FOLKS TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY'RE NOT PATRONIZING THE PROPERTY MOST OF THEM HAVE A TRESPASS PASS AUTHORIZATION LETTER SIGNED FOR US. SO GIVES THE OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO TRESPASS SOMEONE OFF OF THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THE OWNER MAY NOT BE PRESENT.
SO WE WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WORKS WELL FOR US.
YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER.
BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE NO CAMPING. SO THAT'S OUR LINE IN THE SAND.
THE STATE STATUTE YOU KNOW, I HEAR A LOT OF THINGS IN THE MEDIA TALKING ABOUT THE NEW STATE LAW.
THE NEW STATE LAW HAS NO PENALTY FOR THE PERSON WHO MAY BE CAMPING IN PUBLIC.
ALL THE PENALTY AND RESPONSIBILITY IS PUT ON TO THE JURISDICTIONS TO HAVE THEIR OWN PENALTIES, TO NOT ALLOW THAT. THE PENALTY PHASE IF THE JURISDICTION ALLOWS A CAMP OR ENCAMPMENT TO EXIST.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THEY HAVE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR HUMAN DECENCY AND SANITATION, ETC.
AND IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEN THE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC CAN BRING A SUIT TO THAT MUNICIPALITY.
IT IS ALL DIRECTED AT THE CITY. AND SINCE WE'RE ON THIS SUBJECT I'M IN DIALOG.
I KNOW MR. KILLINGSWORTH IS IN DIALOG WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.
THEY IN THEIR NEW PROGRAM, THEY ADDED A COMPONENT IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE FOR NO CAMPING.
AND THAT IS THE HOMEWARD BOUND, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WILL OFFER TO PROVIDE A BUS TICKET HOME TO OHIO, NEW JERSEY, WHEREVER YOU ARE FROM BUT FOR SOME REASON, THEY EXCLUDED THE BEACH BEACHES.
I WILL BE IN A IN A MEETING NEXT WEEK. AND BILL I BELIEVE YOU SENT A REQUEST.
WHO'D YOU SEND YOUR REQUEST TO ON THAT? SO SO THANK YOU FOR FOR MAKING IT COLLABORATIVE. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT PIECE.
I THINK IT'S A IT'S A NICE ADDITION. I WILL ALSO SAY I NOTIFIED MR. KILLINGSWORTH YESTERDAY I THINK THAT THERE WAS A NEW HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT AT DUTTON ISLAND.
AND, CHIEF, I BELIEVE YOU CHECKED IT OUT, AND IT'S ON THE JACKSONVILLE SIDE.
SO. SO YOU NOTIFIED SHERIFF TK OR HIS OFFICE.
WE'VE BEEN IN DIALOG WITH HIM FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS ON THAT.
OH, EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE, AND IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR US HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THE AMOCO STATION AT THE INTERSECTION OF A-1-A AND MAYPORT ROAD HAD A LARGE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, WHICH MUST TK MUST HAVE INTERCEDED ON THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONE OR THEY WERE THE OTHER NIGHT.
NOW, DID I HEAR YOU ADDRESS I'M AWARE OF WHAT THE COJ REQUIRES FOR TRESPASS.
IF YOU'RE AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T WANT TO CALL THE THE SHERIFF, EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU FILE A TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT. DO WE DO THAT IN ATLANTIC BEACH? WE HAVE FOR MANY YEARS. OKAY. TRESPASS AUTHORIZATION LETTER.
AND IS IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FORM AS COJ USES, OR DO WE HAVE OUR OWN FORM? NO. IN EFFECT, IT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW.
SO IT JUST IT TAKES THE OWNER AGENT OF THAT PROPERTY, OKAY, IT GIVES AUTHORITY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRESPASS FOLKS WHO ARE NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS OR A PATRON OF THEIR BUSINESS WHEN THEY AREN'T THERE.
THERE'S A RESCUE TRUCK THAT WILL TAKE HOMELESS TO THE SHELTERS HERE AS TRANSPORTATION.
WERE WE PART OF THAT AGREEMENT AS THE BEACHES OR THAT WAS THAT THE THE DISCREPANCY?
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SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROCESS AND HOMEWARD BOUND PROCESS CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN COJ'S, BUT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.I REMEMBER WHEN NEXT WEDNESDAY, I THINK IS WHEN IT'S AT TO DISCUSS THAT.
OKAY. THEY SEEM TO THE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HEARD PUBLICLY SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS A BELIEF THAT JFRD CAN'T PROVIDE THOSE HERE WITHOUT AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH US.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY I WANT TO HAVE THAT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO US.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART WOULD THAT BE PART OF OUR FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES THAT.
OKAY. AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE MAY BE A PERCEPTION THAT MANY OF THE HOMELESS ARE VETS, AND THE FACT IS THAT ALMOST ALL THE VETS THAT WANT TO BE HELPED ARE BEING HELPED.
WE HERE HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST PROGRAM FOR THE MALES.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE ARE NOT MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY INCLINED FOR FOR HOUSING ARE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HELPED AND THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
IT'S A HAPPY THING. IN 360 ODD DAYS FROM NOW, WE WILL BE CELEBRATING OUR 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FOUNDING OF ATLANTIC BEACH. AND IF IT'S PROBABLY TIME FOR US TO DECIDE THE KIND OF CELEBRATION WE WANT TO TO HAVE AND THE BUDGET TO DO THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE TIME TO ORGANIZE.
YOU CAN GET A 1920S EXHIBITION BASEBALL TEAM FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA.
YOU CAN GET 1920 MODEL T'S OR A'S OR WHATEVER THEY ARE TO COME.
AND SO IT'S TIME FOR US TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO CELEBRATE OURSELVES.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. YUP. IT'S TIME TO PARTY.
THAT IS EXCITING. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RING.
YES. I JUST HAVE ONE THING. THE SATURDAY JUST ONE. OKAY. THE SATURDAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS WAS A WONDERFUL TOY DRIVE.
IT WAS SPONSORED BY CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. THERE WAS FACE PAINTING, THERE WERE PONIES, AND THERE WERE 190 CHILDREN 12 AND UNDER, WHO WERE ABLE TO COLLECT MULTIPLE TOYS THROUGHOUT.
AND IT WAS SANTA WAS THERE. BUDDY THE ELF WAS THERE.
IT WAS GREAT. WHAT MADE ME SAD AND THIS MADE ME SAD THE YEAR BEFORE IS WATCHING THE 13, 14, 15 YEAR OLD'S SENT AWAY BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO OLD.
WHAT I WATCHED, ACTUALLY, TK WATERS DO AND OUR SHERIFF OF OUR COUNTY, ALONG WITH JSO IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY TOOK TEENS TO SHOP WITH THE COP.
BUT I WANT WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. WE HAVE A YEAR TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHAT IF WE DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR USING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY WOULD SHOP WITH A COP AT WALMART FOR OUR TEENS? I KNOW LATRINA THOMAS, WHO USED TO BE OUR PARK AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, DID BRING IT UP TO ME THAT DAY, AND I SAID I WOULD I WOULD CARRY IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY TAKERS.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD CERTAINLY SPONSOR.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT $10,000 WORTH, BUT SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT ALL THE CHILDREN WOULD, WOULD GO HOME WITH SOME, SOME TOYS. WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE AN ANGEL TREE, YOU KNOW, SPONSOR A KID TO STOP FOR THE COP.
YES. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE COST.
THIS WAS ON THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
BECAUSE THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESSES REALLY ALL CAME OUT.
I KNOW ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY SPONSOR TOY DRIVES.
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THEY, YOU KNOW, ALL PITCHED IN TOGETHER TO BRING TOYS TO THE 190 CHILDREN THAT WERE SERVICED.SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF GOODWILL AND CHARITY TO OFFER, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP NOW BEFORE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE EVEN GET STARTED. WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, BUT JUST BE MULLING IT OVER.
OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. I'LL BE BRIEF.
NO, IT'S AT SAINT PAUL'S, SAINT PAUL'S BY THE SEA.
OH, INDOORS. OH, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
OKAY, SO THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO KNOW, BRUCE, BECAUSE I'VE ASKED BRUCE TO FILL IN FOR ME.
MIC]. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS, OKAY SOMEBODY IS GOING TO REPRESENT THE CITY ON SATURDAY. I'LL BE THERE. WOULD YOU DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY, THEN I HAVE MY TAKER. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.
HOWEVER LILY SULLIVAN, WHO RUNS OR REPRESENTS THE RHODA MARTIN COMMUNITY CENTER, LILY SULLIVAN IS HOSTING, OR THE THE HOST FOR THIS EVENT, AS SHE HAS BEEN AT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SHE HAS RUN SHORT OF MONEY AND NEEDS $700 AS A DONATION TO FUND A BAND.
AND I DID AGREE THAT I WOULD MENTION THAT TO YOU.
THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR A GRANT FROM CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
THIS IS AN OFFER FOR ANY ONE OF YOU TO OPEN YOUR PURSE IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO TELL ME IF YOU DID OR DIDN'T.
BUT I DO HAVE LILY'S CELL NUMBER, AND I HAVE HER EMAIL NUMBER, AND SHE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON SATURDAY AT SAINT PAUL'S CATHOLIC.
NO. SAINT PAUL'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH. OKAY. SAINT PAUL'S BY THE SEA.
THAT'S 12TH STREET. YEAH. RIGHT AROUND THERE, 12TH, 12TH AND TURN OFF 3RD STREET AT 11.
YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE BUSINESS PORTION OF THIS MEETING.
COMMISSIONERS PRETEND THAT SOME OF THESE ARE IN CONSENT.
AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 8. OH, WAIT A SECOND.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-01]
FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MODERNIZATION OF THE EFFLUENT CONTROL SYSTEM AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY, TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE ARE REPLACING OR REQUESTING THE TO REPLACE THE CONTROLLER FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THE CONTROLLER THERE IS WHAT CONTROLS ALL THE PUMPS AND VALVES.
IT IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED NOR CAN WE GET PARTS OR REPAIR FOR IT.
SO IT'S PRETTY CRITICAL THAT WE GET THIS PIECE REPLACED.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION FOR PROJECT APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PROJECT BU 2503, IN THE AMOUNT OF $102,530. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2501.
SECOND, GIVE TROY WHATEVER HE WANTS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 25-02]
FLORIDA, DESIGNATING A 68 INCH MULTI TRUNK DIAMETER LIVE OAK TREE AT 1958 BRISTA DEL MAR CIRCLE AND 1964 BRISTA DEL MAR CIRCLE CIRCLE AS A HERITAGE TREE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. AMANDA, YOU WANT TO BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH THIS ONE? AMANDA ASKEW AND THIS WE DO HAVE IN THE CODE 23-41, THE COMMISSION MAY, BY RESOLUTION, DESIGNATE INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE TREES. THE APPLICANTS, IT'S TWO HOMEOWNERS.
THEY SHARE THIS BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAK IN THE BACK YARD.
AND THEY HAVE ASKED THAT IT BE DESIGNATED AS A HERITAGE TREE.
ESC HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED TO COMMISSION THAT THIS BE DESIGNATED.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A VERY LARGE TREE. IT'S 68IN IN DIAMETER.
IT'S KIND OF A DUAL TRUNKED LIVE OAK TREE THAT COMES IN.
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IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE 136 YEARS OLD. SO WE ARE SEEKING THAT DESIGNATION TONIGHT.AWESOME. THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-02 AS READ.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THAT PASSED. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR BEING HERE SO LONG TO HEAR THIS, AND I AND I HATE TO RUSH THROUGH IT BUT I HOPE, AS I DID THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS LOOKED AT, WE ACTUALLY STUDY OUR AGENDA AND WE KNOW WHAT'S ON IT.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
THANK YOU. OKAY. SO CAN I MAKE A [INAUDIBLE]? YES. SO I DID WANT TO ASK. I TALKED TO AMANDA TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE DO.
SO I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE RECORD.
WE REQUIRE THESE TO BE RECORDED. THEY ARE NOT RECORDED.
NOW, IT'S A MINIMAL ENCUMBRANCE, BECAUSE IF YOU GET AN ARBORIST, THEN YOU COULD STILL TAKE IT DOWN.
AND IF SO, THEN WE'D NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE ORDINANCE.
OKAY. WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING TONIGHT.
HE'S JUST BRINGING IT UP, SO WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THIS RESOLUTION.
WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 25-03]
FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO DISPOSE OF A WASTE WATER SLUDGE HAULER TRUCK D-12 AND PURCHASE A NEW TRUCK.AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. SO DURING THE BUDGET, WE BUDGETED $325,000 TO REPLACE OUR SLUDGE TRUCK.
THIS IS THE TRUCK THAT TAKES THE SLUDGE FROM OUR WASTEWATER PLANT TO THE LANDFILL.
WE HAVE A QUOTE FOR $250,256. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-03 FOR THE PURCHASE OF A NEW FOR THE DISPOSAL OF TRUCK PUBLIC UTILITY TRUCK D-12, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT SLUDGE TRUCK, AND THE PURCHASE OF A NEW TRUCK IN THE AMOUNT OF $250,256.
OKAY. RECOMMEND WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 25-03. SECOND.
GIVE TROY WHAT HE WANTS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CORRECT. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT SAVES MONEY. PLUS WE GOT $13,000 TRADE IN.
WE GOT A $13,000 TRADE. THAT'S ALL. YEAH. SO ORIGINALLY THAT'S, IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT APPARENTLY ALL THESE BIG TRUCKS, THEY'RE REALLY LEGOS.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY THE ENGINES ARE ALL COMPONENTIZED.
VOLVO HAS NOW USING THAT SAME ENGINE, AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THE VOLVO TRUCK WAS CHEAPER.
SO OUR MAINTENANCE GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ENGINE IN IT, AND IT SAVES US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S BETTER TO DO TO KEEP IN HOUSE OR TO CONTRACT OUT AS FAR AS COST GOES? WHAT GETS USED EVERY DAY TO I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT LEASING IT, LOOKING AT A LEASE ON THE TRUCK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT GETS USED VIRTUALLY EVERY DAY AND WE RUN IT INTO THE GROUND.
YEAH. SO I SEE WE'VE HAD IT FOR 12 YEARS. YEAH.
SO EVERY 12 YEARS, WE'RE SPENDING A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION ON ONE.
NO, NO, THE NEXT TIME, IT WON'T BE A QUARTER.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE MORE EVERY 12 YEARS. WE SPEND SOME NUMBER PLUS INFLATION.
YEAH. SO. YEAH. SO. SO WHAT COMMISSIONER WAS ACTUALLY ASKING IS NOT ABOUT LEASING THE EQUIPMENT, BUT ACTUALLY OUTSOURCING TO AN OUTSIDE VENDOR OR A HAULER OR AS A HAULER.
BUT I THINK WE KIND OF GOT THE ANSWER. THIS IS A DAILY EVENT.
THIS ISN'T LIKE EVERY THREE MONTHS WE BRING THE TRUCK OUT TO HAUL THIS STUFF.
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BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. AND SO I WASN'T CLEAR AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO BACK.IS THERE A SEPARATE COMPONENT FOR THIS TRUCK, I.E.
THE HYDRAULIC LIFT FOR THE FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE THE DUMPSTER.
IS THERE A SEPARATE COMPONENT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS BID, THIS EXPENDITURE.
I'M NOT AWARE OF WHETHER THERE IS OR ISN'T. SO SO THE SO THE $100.
BUT I CAN LOOK AT THE QUOTE REAL QUICK. YEAH I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE IT.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS A RATHER LARGE NUMBER AS AN ADDITIONAL PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. AND IF YOU GOT A LOT OF PAPER ON THAT, THERE IS A LOT ON THIS PART, ISN'T THERE? BUT IS THAT PART OF THE PRICE? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH. SO WE REALLY KIND OF NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE ON PAGE 116 OF YOUR AGENDA IS A PRODUCT WHICH IS A 75,000 POUND OUTSIDE RAIL ROLL OFF HOIST AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT EQUAL $65,000.
AND IT IS NOT CLEAR WHETHER THAT IS PART OF OR NOT PART OF THAT NUMBER.
AND IT'S I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT CHANGES THE IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE NEED THAT WE HAVE IT.
IT'S INCLUDED. IT IS IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 98. YEAH, IT'S PART OF THE DEAL.
THE BASE TRUCK IS $161,416. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ROLL OFF COURSE AT $65,000.
SO IT'S PART OF IT. EXCELLENT. THAT ANSWERS THAT.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE'VE HAD YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK WE ALREADY VOTED.
I DIDN'T THINK WE VOTED. I SECOND IT. YEAH, THIS ONE TIME.
I'M PAYING ATTENTION, BRUCE. SO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 25-04]
FLORIDA, REQUESTING THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE REALLOCATE $500,000 IN ITS FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S FUTURE COMMUNITY CENTER IN MARSH OAKS. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION.PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. I'M SORRY, WHICH ITEM ARE WE ON? 8D. $500. OKAY.
SO THIS IS THE $500,000 THAT WE THAT WE WANT TO TRANSFER TO MARSH [INAUDIBLE]? YES. SO AS YOU'RE AWARE [INAUDIBLE] WE PREVIOUSLY HAD MONEY THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAD BUDGETED, WHICH WOULD BE USED FOR SENIORS AND CHILD SERVICES AT CAROL BAKER CENTER.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, WHO ARE PROVIDING CHILD SERVICES THERE, AS WELL AS RESTORATION OF THE FACILITY FOR US PARTIALLY WITH A MATCH FROM US.
AS WELL AS WE HAVE PURCHASED WHAT WE COMMONLY NOW CALL THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.
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MARSH OAKS CENTER. I CAN SAY THAT THE BILL IS FILED CURRENTLY.IT GOES TO COMMITTEE THE WEEK AFTER NEXT. SO IT'S AT THREE OF THE CITY COMMITTEES I'M MEETING ALONG WITH THE MAYOR, WITH AS MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THOSE THREE COMMITTEES AS I CAN GET MEETINGS WITH.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN MY HAND, BECAUSE I WOULD EXPECT IT AS A QUESTION, I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION IF I WAS ONE OF THEM, IS, DO WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FROM THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH? AND SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THE TRANSFER, THE REAPPROPRIATION.
AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-04.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-04.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. I'LL OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION.
I HAVE A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR BILL. DO WE RISK GOING AFTER THEY ALLOCATED THE BAKER CENTER AND AND OR DO WE RISK LOSING THIS BY CHANGING WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO? WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE. SO THE FINANCE CHAIR OF THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED IT.
WE'RE NOT APPROPRIATING ADDITIONAL MONEY. WE'RE JUST MOVING IT FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER.
EVERYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO SO FAR ON THE COJ SIDE HAS BEEN.
YEAH, I'D HATE FOR US TO DO THAT. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO SAVE MONEY THERE.
OKAY. THANKS. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION, BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION.
IF THEY DIDN'T APPROVE IT, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE LEFT TO USE IT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S TIME LIMITED.
SO I HOPE THAT IT CLARIFIES. IF FOR SOME REASON COJ CITY COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE IT, WE STILL HAVE THAT $500,000, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXPEND IT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF HOW IT WAS GIVEN.
AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS ALL ALONG IS AND OF COURSE, EVERYTHING CHANGED WITH THE ACQUISITION OF THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ON HOW DO WE GET MUCH OF A CHANGE TO THE BUILDING FOR $500,000.
I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH ME, BUT $500,000 DOESN'T BUY WHAT IT USED TO.
SO AND I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT WAS ACTUALLY TO EXPAND THE SIZE OF THE CENTER WITH A AN ADDITION.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'D BE TAKING DOWN TREES AND SO ON.
SO I HOPE IT GOES THROUGH COJ CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IT WILL.
AS BILL MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE, SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE MEETING WITH FOUR MORE TOMORROW. BUT YEAH SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE LOBBIED THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO GET THE GET THE RIGHT RESULT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE A JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS, DO WE? IN WRITING TO THEM. OH, SO THE THE JUST. YES WE DID.
AND I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY IT GOT INTRODUCED. BUT THE JUSTIFICATION WAS BASICALLY WHAT I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE $500,000 WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
RIGHT. AND THEY WEREN'T COMMITTED TO RENOVATE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. AND YOU CAN MENTION TO THEM TOMORROW ABOUT THE $0.18 ON A DOLLAR.
AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. WE HAVE SHOVEL READY. YES. WE'RE READY.
WE'RE OKAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
WE ARE READY TO GO TO WORK ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER ONCE WE GET THIS RESOLVED.
[8.E. RESOLUTION NO. 25-05]
ITEM 8E, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2-505, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF EXPENDITURE OF UP TO $45,000 FOR THE PURCHASE OF 2024 GMC SIERRA PICKUP TRUCK FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL DIVISION, AUTHORIZING THE UTILIZATION OF UNUSED FUNDS BUDGETED FOR POLICE SALARIES IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-25 BUDGET FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THIS PURCHASE.AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IN LATE NOVEMBER, THE ANIMAL CONTROL TRUCK LOST REVERSE AND IN LOOKING AT REPAIRING REVERSE, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TRUCK'S FRAME WAS CRACKED AND IT WAS NO LONGER SERVICEABLE.
SO WE'VE GOTTEN THE QUOTE. THERE IS A VEHICLE RELATIVELY NEARBY THAT I HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT ON, WITH SUBJECT TO COMMISSION APPROVAL TO REPLACE THAT TRUCK AND THE QUOTE WAS $45,000.
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WE'RE LOOKING AT USING SALARY FUNDS FROM VACANT POSITIONS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COVER THE $45,000, AND IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-05 TO PURCHASE A 2024 GMC SIERRA 1500.CAN I GET A MOTION FIRST? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-05.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, AND SECOND, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER KELLY. HAVEN'T WE IN THE PAST USED THE EXCESS FUNDS AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE POLICE RETIREMENT FUND? WELL, WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT USING THE FUNDS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THE FUNDS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO USE FOR CURRENT YEAR FUNDS THAT ARE THAT ARE SALARY DOLLARS.
BUT WE'VE HAD BUT WE'VE HAD VACANCIES SINCE OCTOBER 1ST, RIGHT.
SO THE THE VACANCY MONEY WE'VE HIRED, WHAT, ONE SINCE THAT TIME FRAME OF THE TWO VACANCIES.
WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES TO FILL JUST RECENTLY. AND SO THAT DIFFERENCE IN SALARY FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO NOW IS ENOUGH MONEY TO PURCHASE THOSE TRUCKS. OKAY, FINE. THANK YOU.
OKAY. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE .
[8.F. RESOLUTION NO. 25-06]
ENGAGEMENT EXTENSION CONTINUING THE AUDITING SERVICES OF PURVIS, GRAY AND COMPANY.AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY CONTRACTS, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY PURCHASE ORDERS AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO OUR CONTRACT FOR THE END OF YEAR AUDIT.
SO THIS IS WE'RE TALKING END OF YEAR 24, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 24, WHICH WE'RE GEARING UP TO ENTER INTO NOW, WHICH IS NOT THE AUDIT THAT YOU WILL HEAR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS THE END OF YEAR 23.
WE NEED TO RENEW THE CONTRACT FOR THE AUDITOR.
THE COST IS NOT TO EXCEED $53,000 FOR THE MAIN AUDIT.
IF WE END UP SPENDING MORE THAN $750,000 IN STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDS, WE'LL ALSO NEED A SINGLE AUDIT.
IF THAT IS THE CASE THAT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL $4,000.
WE HAVE BUDGETED IN THE 25 YEAR BUDGET, $65,550.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-06.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-06.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE . OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION NUMBER 8 G.
[8.G. RESOLUTION NO. 25-07]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-07 . A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH EXTENDING THE TERM OF SUZANNE GREEN AS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR ONE YEAR.AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO HEAR AND DECIDE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH, CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S BUILDING CODE, THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, AND ANY OTHER LOCAL CODES THAT WE HAVE. A CITIZEN DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO GO STRAIGHT TO COURT. BUT A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-07.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-07 .
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.
YEAH, YEAH. YES. I POPPED MY HEAD IN SEVERAL TIMES.
AND SHE'S VERY EFFICIENT AND EVENHANDED AND FAIR.
SO I WANT TO PILE ON, SHE DOES A GREAT JOB. WATCH, WATCH ONE OF THEM, I THINK.
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I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE IF YOU SAW HER WORK. I'LL PILE ON TOO.SHE IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. COMMISSIONER. SHE'S GOOD.
OKAY. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 8H. PARDON ME. 8H RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-08.
[8.H. RESOLUTION NO. 25-08]
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA AWARDING THE CONTRACT FOR THE BEACH'S FALLEN WARTIME HEROES MONUMENT IN BEACH'S VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK TO NOBLE MONUMENT COMPANY, INC.. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE WHAT IS THIS STAND FOR THE BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK COMMITTEE HAS RAISED $25,500. THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY WOULD MATCH $25,000, WHICH WE HAVE UNDER PROJECT 25 PUBLIC WORKS 2510, FOR A MONUMENT RECOGNIZING FALLEN BEACH'S WARTIME HEROES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COST OF THE MONUMENT WITH THE ENGRAVINGS FOR 60 FALLEN HEROES IS $44,500.
THERE IS AN OPTION TO POLISH THE BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL $1,550.
SO THAT'S IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, THE CITY WOULD END UP FUNDING THAT.
I WOULD SAY THE MONUMENT, AS IT'S CRAFTED NOW IS FULL WITH THE 60 NAMES, NAMES ON IT.
IF WE HAVE FUTURE NAMES, THEN WE CAN HAVE ENGRAVINGS ON THE NAME.
AND THEN, RATHER THAN IT BEING A FACE MOUNTED PLAQUE, WE CAN TURN IT 90 DEGREES AND IT BE A FIN MOUNTED PLAQUE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AND BUY AN ADDITIONAL $50,000. SO I THINK STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-08 WITH THE ADDITIONAL $1,550 FOR THE POLISH. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-08 WITH THE ADDITIONAL PLAN B OPTION. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.
OKAY. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED ? MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO ORDINANCES.
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 58-24-47, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
ITEM 9A. ORDINANCE NUMBER 58- 24-47. PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION ARTICLE SIX EMPLOYEE BENEFITS DIVISION 3 GENERAL EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM SECTION 2-266 BENEFIT AMOUNTS AND ELIGIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD DURING THE BUDGET TIME IN WHICH COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE A COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE FOR OUR GENERAL EMPLOYEE PENSION FUND.
WE GOT WITH AN ACTUARY, FOLLOWED THE STATE PROCEDURE.
THAT RESULTS IN $108,389 INCREASE CONTRIBUTION BY THE CITY FOR THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PLAN. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 58-24 - 47.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 58- 24-47.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT. I'M GOING TO WAIT.
YEAH, I'M GOING TO WAIT TILL WE. PARDON I SHOULD HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT TO YOU, BUT DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK? SO AT THIS TIME, I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. WE ONLY HAVE TWO CITIZENS THREE CITIZENS LEFT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDED MOTION ALREADY.
SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE THIS. DO I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN? YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 58- 24- 47.
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SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY REASON WE NEED TO HEAR, WAS SOMEBODY SUGGESTING AMANDA NEEDED TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION.OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 58-24-48, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION ARTICLE 6 EMPLOYEE BENEFITS DIVISION 4 POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM SECTION 2-305 BENEFIT AMOUNTS AND AMOUNTS AND ELIGIBILITY TO AMEND THE BENEFIT MULTIPLIER AND TO PROVIDE FOR A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.THE HIT TO THE CITY IS $153,000 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE PENSION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 58-24 - 48.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 58-24 DASH, DO YOU HAVE TO OPEN? YEAH, WE DID THE SAME THING AGAIN. I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION, I APOLOGIZE.
COMMISSIONER BOLE. SO, DONNA, DO WE HAVE. FIRST OF ALL, I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, SO, DONNA. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. OKAY, THEN I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION. I'LL GET IT RIGHT THE THIRD TIME, I PROMISE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 58-24 - 48.
SECOND. OKAY COMMISSIONER BOLE HAS THE SECOND ON THAT.
DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE.
[9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 5-25-69, Introduction and First Reading]
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AMENDING SECTION 2- 16 OF THE CITY CODE TO CHANGE THE REGULAR MEETING TIME OF THE CITY COMMISSION. PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AT THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2024 WORKSHOP, THIS COMMISSION EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN CHANGING THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM 6:30 TO 6:00. THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD DO THAT.
STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ORDINANCE 5-25-69.
I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-25-69.
SECOND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION? YES, COMMISSIONER. I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM ONE CITIZEN, BUT THIS IS SORT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION OVER THE LAST MONTH, SO I WOULD RATHER VOTE ON THIS AFTER THE TOWN HALL, WHERE WE CAN ASK A SELECTION OF PEOPLE IF THEY AGREE.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS FOR FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES, WE ARE IN THE MEAN HERE.
I WILL USE TONIGHT'S MEETING AS AN EXAMPLE. THE EARLIER WE WE START ETC.
NUMBER THREE, AND I THINK JUST AS IMPORTANT, WHEN WE ASK OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TO COME TO A MEETING AFTER THEY'RE DONE THEIR, YOU KNOW, 9 TO 5 OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE WORKING NOW, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO STAY LATER AND WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS OF RESULTS OF THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN THE MEAN. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS IN THIS TOWN THAT START AT 5:00. RIGHT. AND LET ME LET ME ADD TO THAT, IF I MAY, IF COMMISSIONER I WAS CONCERNED ENOUGH TO CHECK WITH EVERY CITY CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH, CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH ALL MEET AT 6 P.M.
SO WE WOULD BE CONSISTENT. CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND CITY OF JACKSONVILLE MEET AT 5.
SO THEY ACTUALLY MEET SOONER. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY GOT BIG AGENDAS.
BUT I'D LIKE CONSISTENCY BECAUSE I HAD SOME RESIDENTS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TRIPPING OVER, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS 6:30 WHEN IT WAS 6 ON THE OTHER MEETINGS, AND OR I THOUGHT IT WAS 6 INSTEAD OF 6:30 BECAUSE I WENT TO ONE OF THE OTHER THE OTHER MEETINGS. SO WE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, AND ONCE I LEARNED THAT THE OTHER FOUR CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US WERE AT 6, I FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE. THEN I CHECKED WITH MY COUNTERPARTS, THE MAYORS AT THE OTHER TWO BEACHES.
THEY SAID THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH 6 P.M., SO THAT'S MY TAKE.
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CONSIDERATION AS A WORKING CLASS MEMBER OR PROFESSIONAL 6 IS DIFFICULT STILL.THERE'S PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GETTING OFF OF WORK UNTIL 5.
I PERSONALLY DON'T GET I GET OFF OF WORK AT 4:30, SO IT DOES HELP A LITTLE BIT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS SO MUCH ON WHETHER THIS WORKS FOR STAFF.
SORRY. I'VE, AS A TEACHER, HAVE HAD TO DO SOME PARENT TEACHER MEETINGS, AND I HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT'S BEST FOR THE FAMILIES AS FAR AS TIME WISE GOES, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING I WOULD LOOK AT.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT, NOT JUST FOR ME AND THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHETHER YOU'RE RETIRED OR NOT, BUT THE CITIZENS, WHAT WORKS FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT IT'S A NO ON THIS ONE TONIGHT, BUT COMMISSION MEETINGS AND CITY HALL MEETINGS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC MEETINGS AND BASED AROUND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, 30 MINUTES. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE STARTED AT 6:30, BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE WOULD STILL END OUR MEETING AT 9 EVEN IF WE STARTED AT 6 TONIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER GRANT. YEAH. I WAS LOOKING AT SOME EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I THINK THE MOST COMPELLING THING I FOUND HEARING FROM A FEW FOLKS AND LOOKING AT SOME SOCIAL MEDIA SITES TO SEE HOW THEY WERE RESPONDING I THINK THE MOST COMPELLING WAS THAT THE YOUNG FAMILIES, PEOPLE WITH YOUNG FAMILIES APPRECIATED THE MOVE TO AN EARLIER TIME SO THEY COULD GET IN, SAY THEIR, YOU KNOW, DO THE PUBLIC ADDRESS PIECE GET HOME, MAKE DINNER, PUT THEIR KIDS TO BED KIND OF THING.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE YOUNGER FAMILIES ARE THE FUTURE.
SO I THINK THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH MOVE IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO HEARINGS. THE SECOND HEARING WILL BE AFTER THE TOWN HALL.
I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE A 6:00 MEETING.
WE'VE ALREADY PROVED THAT THEY DO ON OUR OTHER SPECIALTY MEETINGS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD ALL THE WAY FROM THE BOTTOM OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH TO THE TOP OF FERNANDINA BEACH IS AT 6. SO WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES US THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE SO SPECIAL? 6 IS FINE, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER ONE.
IF WE FAIL TO PASS THIS TONIGHT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE COME BACK AND MOVE ALL OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS TO 6:30, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SILLY TO DEFEND THAT WE NEED TO BE 6:30 FOR OUR CITIZENS WHEN WE ALREADY CONDUCT MEETINGS AT 6.
HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. OH, WE ALREADY GOT A MOTION, SO I'LL TAKE A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY YOU MIGHT WANT TO ROLL CALL.
ROLL CALL THIS. DONNA GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLY. NAY. COMMISSIONER RING.
NAY. COMMISSIONER BOLE AYE, [INAUDIBLE] AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING TO ITEM 9 D, ORDINANCE NUMBER
[9.D. ORDINANCE NO. 5-25-70, Introduction and First Reading]
5- 25-70. INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTY OF DUVAL STATE OF FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION DIVISION 2, SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, SECTION 2-143 SPECIAL MAGISTRATE APPOINTMENT, QUALIFICATIONS TERM AND SECTION AND SECTION 2-144 SPECIAL MAGISTRATE COMPENSATION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES.PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF SAID AMENDMENTS, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT WE BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
AND LOOKING AT IT, THE COMMISSION, THE ORDINANCE STILL [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S LATE AND I'M GETTING TIRED. THE WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO IS NOT REQUIRE THAT A REAPPOINTMENT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THE ORDINANCE STILL ALLOWS THE COMMISSION THE AUTHORITY TO GET RID OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WITH A 30 DAY NOTICE, WHICH IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY DOES. IT'S JUST WHEN I SAW THIS, I ASKED THE MAN WELL,
[02:35:03]
THIS SEEMS PRETTY MINISTERIAL. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE TAKE IT TO COMMISSION? AND THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE CODE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT.SO IF YOU DISAGREE, THEN VOTE NO. BUT IT SEEMED RATHER MINISTERIAL TO ME.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 5- 25-70.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 5-25-70.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.
HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE, AYE .
OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO ITEM 11. CITY ATTORNEY, YOUR COMMENTS.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO HEAR FROM ME RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL JUST PASS. WE ALWAYS LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.CITY CLERK. YOU CAN JUST. I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED NOT EVEN TWO WEEKS AGO. WE GOT NOTIFIED FROM BEACHES LEADER THAT THEY WERE DOING THEIR LAST ISSUE LAST WEEK.
AND AT FIRST, WE THOUGHT IT JUST MEANT THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PRINT THEIR PAPER.
BUT WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE IS THEY'RE NO LONGER DOING ANY TYPE OF ADVERTISEMENTS.
SO IT'S KIND OF IN A PICKLE. SO IN KNOWING THAT THEIR LAST ISSUE WAS LAST WEEK RATHER THAN ME PUT OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THESE LAST TWO ITEMS. THE NOTE, THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE PAPER THIS WEEK, I PUT THEM IN LAST WEEK. SO THAT'S A LITTLE OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
INTERESTING. OKAY. BUT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ADVERTISED FOR THE NEXT AGENDA.
AND JASON'S WORKING ON SOME OTHER AVENUES. OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, SURE. WHILE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC IT'LL BE DIGITAL GOING FORWARD.
THE QUESTION IS, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN THE IN THE PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA STATUTE TO DO IT IN THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, IF IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND IF IT MEETS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO VERIFY CITY OF JACKSONVILLE MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. OKAY, IF I MAY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO CLOSING COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRANT. [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER KELLY.DONE. COMMISSIONER RING. NOTHING FURTHER. MR. CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH I HAVE FIVE ITEMS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
I AM DONE, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY THIS, CLEARLY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AWAY TOO LONG.
I HOPE YOU'VE FLUSHED EVERYTHING OUT TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN RETURN TO A MORE NORMAL MEETING TIME.
BUT WE DID GET A LOT OF GOOD BUSINESS DONE TONIGHT.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.