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>> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING, BUT I'M CLOSING.
[ CALL TO ORDER]
KEVIN, CAN YOU GO CHECK? I NEED TO KNOW WHO'S STILL FILLING OUT A YELLOW SHEET BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSING THAT.YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAG ANYBODY THAT'S GOT A YELLOW SHEET AND BRING THEM IN.
>> BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR NORMAL INVOCATION AND PLEDGE LED BY COMMISSIONER BOLE.
>> LORD, PLEASE BRING WISDOM TO ALL OUR LEADERS BOTH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH NATIONALLY.
LET US HEAR ALL OF THE LUCKY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS FAIR CITY, AND LET US NEVER FORGET THE OTHER 13,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE WITH US TODAY. AMEN.
>> THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DATED APRIL 14, 2025, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
I WANT TO WELCOME ALL OF OUR GUESTS, IN PARTICULAR, SOME PEOPLE THAT I RECOGNIZE FROM A CERTAIN SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET, ABE.
ALL OF YOU ABE, THANKS FOR SHOWING UP.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU ARE WORKING ON A CIVICS PROJECT OR SOME SORT OF CLASS PROJECT.
IF YOU NEED HELP LATER AFTER THE MEETING OR MAYBE TOMORROW BECAUSE IT'LL BE LATE.
LET ME KNOW. DONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TO OPEN THIS MEETING BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL AGENDA,
[Additional Item]
WITH THE PERMISSION OF THIS COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO LAY OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ROLL TONIGHT AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS THAT MAY COME UP LATER ON OUR DISCUSSION WITH A FEW ORDINANCES.IS THAT OKAY? EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK HAS FILLED OUT A YELLOW SHEET.
BECAUSE WE'RE ADHERING TO THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE CHAOS.
WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE ON THREE MINUTES EACH, WHICH IS A LOT OF TIME WHEN YOU TAKE 40 PEOPLE, THAT'S AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES.
THAT'S TWO HOURS WORTH OF SPEAKING.
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, IF YOU THINK YOUR CASE HAS BEEN MADE OR YOU'VE CHANGED BASED ON WHAT YOU HEAR, YOU DON'T ALL HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES BECAUSE WE WILL BE HERE LATE.
AFTER WE GET THROUGH CERTAIN PORTIONS, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT SOME KIDS HERE THAT MAY NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL.
DON'T HESITATE IF YOU NEED TO EXIT, JUST EXIT, IF YOU NEED TO USE THE FACILITIES, JUST EXIT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS DIAS, I AM GOING TO BREAK FOR 10 MINUTES AT AN HOUR AND A HALF MARK OR CLOSE TO IT BASED ON THE AGENDA SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS THERE.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SET THE STAGE FOR TODAY IS, I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU ARE HERE FOR ORDINANCE, LET ME GET THE NUMBER.
IT'S ORDINANCE 125, AND THEN 126, WHICH WOULD BE ITEM 9A AND 9B.
DUE TO THE COMMUNICATIONS, WOULD YOU BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A FEW COMMUNICATIONS IN THE PAST WEEK? LISTEN, I HEAR YOU ALL. I LISTEN.
I'VE BEEN WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH CITY MANAGER BECAUSE I CAN'T WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS EXCEPT IN A PUBLIC FORUM. THAT'S TONIGHT.
BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, POTENTIAL CHANGES, AND CERTAINLY CLARITY AND CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE IS NOT HAVING A GOOD COMMUNICATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS, I'M JUST GOING TO READ THROUGH SOME AMENDMENTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PROPOSED LATER BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED.
BUT STARTING WITH THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25-124,
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THAT'S THE ESC ORDINANCE THAT MANY OF YOU'RE HERE ON.THE FIRST ONE MIGHT BE THE ESC AND THEN TREE SUBCOMMITTEE MAY REVIEW ANY PERMIT APPLICATION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER AND MAY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'VE STRICKEN THROUGH TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT WE WERE PUTTING IT BACK.
>> THAT'S GOING TO ESC AS THE WHOLE?
>> THAT WAS A MOTION FROM ESC.
>> THE NEXT ONE, THE ADMINISTRATOR MAY REFER THE APPLICATION TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE ESC OR CONSULTANT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER POTENTIAL AMENDMENT.
THEN THE NEXT ONE IS TERMS, FOLLOWING THE EXPIRATION OF THE TERMS OF OFFICE OF THE INAUGURAL BOARD MEMBERS, ALL SHALL SERVE FOR THREE, 4-YEAR TERMS.
>> I'M GOING TO LET YOU GO THROUGH THIS IN A SECOND.
SHALL SERVE FOUR YEAR TERMS. NOT SERVE MORE THAN THREE TERMS.
>> SHALL SERVE FOUR YEAR TERMS. IN HERE, WE HAVE I THINK IN THAT ONE, WE ALLOWED FOR GRANDFATHERING OR IS THAT SEPARATE? WE'VE GOT THAT DOWN BELOW.
THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, CURRENTLY, OUR ESC MEMBERS SERVE FOR POTENTIALLY THREE, 4-YEAR TERMS.
>> CORRECTLY, IT'S THREE, 3-YEAR TERMS.
>> THREE YEAR TERMS. WHAT WE WERE CHANGING TO WAS TWO, 3-YEAR TERMS. ANYWAYS, WE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO CONSIDER IF SOMEBODY MOVES IT TO GRANDFATHER THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY ON THE COMMITTEE.
THEN I'M GOING TO LET YOU TAKE IT FROM HERE, BILL, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN READING THEM ALL DAY.
>> AMENDMENT 4 IS APPOINTMENTS.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SHALL BE CONFIRMED BY THE COMMISSION.
AMENDMENT 5 IS GRANDFATHERING, ANY MEMBER SERVING IN THE AS OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE CAN FINISH OUT THE TERM.
AMENDMENT NUMBER 6 IS THE COMMITTEE SHALL ESTABLISH A TREE SUBCOMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SUBSECTION F BELOW?
CITY MANAGER? IS THERE A WAY? I'M A LITTLE LOST MYSELF, AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
BUT I DO HAVE THIS BEFORE ME, BUT COULD ONE BE PUT UP ON CAMERA SO THAT THE CITIZENS COULD SEE, AND COULD YOU MAKE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW?
>> FIRST OF ALL, RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A PRELUDE THAT WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT BILL THAT WAS PASSED ON FIRST READING SO THAT WE MIGHT CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PASSAGE OF SOMETHING TONIGHT OR NOT, DEPENDING UPON THE PLEASURE OF THIS COMMISSION.
>> MAYOR, IF I MAY, WHERE DID THESE COME FROM AND WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THEM RIGHT NOW?
>> THESE ARE BORN OUT OF THE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ESC, THE LEADERSHIP, AND ACTUALLY INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS THAT WANTED A LARGER ROLE IN CRAFTING ANY CHANGE TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ACTIVITIES AND SO ON OF THE ESC.
>> THE FIRST FIVE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ESC VOTED ON THAT IS IN THE PACKAGE.
THEN THE LAST FEW ARE ONES THAT CAME FROM OTHER SOURCES THAT ARE HERE IS STRICTLY IF A COMMISSIONER WANTED TO MOVE THEM.
>> WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM ONE BY ONE?
>> YOU CAN MOVE THEM AS A GROUP ONE BY ONE, HOWEVER, OR NONE AT ALL.
>> YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF?
>> THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF A TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD PRODUCE A BIANNUAL REPORT ON THE TREE CANOPY AND TREE PERMITS.
AMENDMENT 8 IS THE CITY COMMISSION WILL HAVE A JOINT COMMISSION AND ESC WORKSHOP TO SET COMMITTEE PRIORITIES AND ANNUAL WORK PLAN.
AMENDMENT 9 IS DEVELOP AND RECOMMEND POLICIES, PROGRAMS AND INCENTIVES AIMED AT PRESERVING PROTECTING AND ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY'S TREE CANOPY.
THE AMENDMENT AS IT'S WRITTEN SAYS ESC, THAT'S A TYPO.
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IT SHOULD BE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE.THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE SHALL WORK TO ENCOURAGE TREE CONSERVATION EFFORTS AND PROMOTE SUBSTANTIAL URBAN FORESTRY PRACTICES.
IF ANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE APPROVED AND IT CHANGES NUMBERING ORDER WITHIN THE BILL, THE AMENDMENT 10 IS A SCRIVENER'S SECTION THAT GRANTS STAFF OR [INAUDIBLE] THE ABILITY TO RE-NUMBER THINGS APPROPRIATELY.
>> DID YOU NEED TO REVISIT ONE AND TWO THAT I WOULD NOT CLEAR ON?
>> NUMBER 1, I'LL RUN THROUGH IT.
NUMBER 1, WHICH THE FIRST FIVE WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ESC.
THE ESC MAY REVIEW ANY PERMIT APPLICATION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER AND MAY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR REGARDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
NUMBER 2 IS THE ADMINISTRATOR MAY REFER THE APPLICATION TO OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, ESC, OR A CONSULTANT DURING PRELIMINARY REVIEW.
THE APPLICANT SHALL BE NOTIFIED IF EXTENDED REVIEW BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND OR PROFESSIONALS IS REQUIRED.
>> THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-25-125.
THAT'S THE BUSINESSES IN PARKS.
LET ME JUST START BY SAYING SHAME ON US ON COMMUNICATION IF IT WASN'T CLEAR.
MAYBE IT WAS CLEAR, BUT THE INTENT OF THAT ORDINANCE IS TO ALLOW AUTHORITY BY THE CITY MANAGER TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH ANY FOR PROFIT BUSINESS THAT OPERATES IN OUR PARKS.
ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE THE FARMERS' MARKET.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, SO WE'RE LANGUISHING.
I'D LIKE TO WRAP UP SOLUTIONING FOR OUTSIDE KIDS.
I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY IS FOR ALLOWING EDUCATION IN PARKS.
I AM. I'M JUST GOING ON THE RECORD THAT I SUPPORT THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT, AND I THINK THE PART OF THE MISUNDERSTANDING WAS, WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE.
THEN PART OF IT, IF I LISTEN CAREFULLY TO MANY OF YOU, IS A LACK OF CLARITY AS TO WHAT PROCEDURE OR THE POLICY IS AND THE PROCEDURES FOR GETTING THAT CONTRACT, WHETHER IT'S THE FARMERS' MARKET OR OUTSIDE KIDS, AND COULD IT BE ARBITRARY? WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE ARBITRARY.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE UNCLEAR, BUT WE DO NEED TO ENTER INTO SOME CONTRACTS WITH THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE UTILIZING OUR PARKS.
FINALLY, WE DO NEED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT BY THE CITY, AND I'M NOT TALKING IN THIS CASE ABOUT THE COMMISSION, BUT NEVER FORGET, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT CITY STAFF THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER IF WE WISH FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE RISK AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
NOT TO GET TOO LONG WINDED ON THE OUTSIDE KIDS, BUT WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SUPPORTING THAT, THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN IN PARKS.
JUST KNOW THAT'S THE GOAL. DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE?
>> SURE. I MET WITH A GROUP OF CITIZENS THIS AFTERNOON AND IN THAT DISCUSSION, THERE WAS FOUR RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS.
THE FIRST WAS TO THE CITY MANAGER COULD ONLY CHARGE FEES TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR EXPENSES INCURRED.
THE SECOND WAS THAT WE MOVE THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO JULY 1, 2025.
THE THIRD WAS IN THE POLICY, IN TERMS OF REGISTERING THE APPLICATION, IT COULD BE READ AS LIMITING IT TO ONE PARK OR RECREATION FACILITY.
WE'VE PLURALIZED THE WORDS PARKS AND FACILITIES TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL IDENTIFY THE PROPOSED PARKS AND/OR RECREATION FACILITIES.
THEN THE FINAL AMENDMENT IS THAT IN THE EVENT THAT AGREEMENT CAN'T BE REACHED OR THE CITY MANAGER DENIES AN AGREEMENT, THEN IT CAN BE APPEALED TO THE COMMISSION.
THOSE WERE THE FOUR AMENDMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF MY DISCUSSIONS THIS AFTERNOON.
>> THANK YOU. WE'RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH INTO THE AGENDA.
AGAIN, THREE MINUTES WHEN WE GET INTO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, THREE MINUTES, AND WE WILL CLOSE NOW ANY YELLOW FORMS. THIS IS THE FINAL CALL IF WE'RE MISSING A YELLOW FORM FROM SOMEBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. LET'S GET STARTED.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN CITY COMMISSION AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.[00:15:04]
DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES? COMMISSIONERS?>> HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND IS SUBMITTED.
ITEM 1B, APPROVED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 24TH, 2025.
ANY CHANGES? HEARING NONE, THOSE MINUTES STAND IS SUBMITTED.
ITEM 1C, APPROVED MINUTES AT THE TOWN HALL HELD ON APRIL 5TH, 2025.
ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THOSE?
>> I JUST NOTICED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUMMARY FOR THOSE THAT SPOKE, NOT EVEN THE TOPICS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO HAVE BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR TOWN HALL WAS NOT RECORDED, SO IF SOME CITIZEN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ATTEND, I THINK IT SHOULD BE LISTED THERE.
>> BUT IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE MINUTES.
>> THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD OR EVEN THE TOPIC THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
>> I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT COMMENTS, WE WOULD JUST LIST THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE AND NOT THE COMMENTS THAT THEY MADE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, NOT JUST THE COMMENTS.
WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITIZENS, THE TOPICS THAT THEY ADDRESSED UNDER EACH ONE.
IF IT WERE THE 20TH LIFT STATION OR IF IT WAS THE HOUSE BILL 943 OR IF IT WAS THE ESC ORDINANCE.
FOR THOSE OF WHOM DID NOT ATTEND THIS PAST TOWN HALL MEETING, BE IT A CITIZEN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT.
>> COMMENT FROM CITY ATTORNEY.
>> WE'VE TYPICALLY TAKEN THE POSITION THAT IF IT'S BEING RECORDED OR AUDIO, WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM SUMMARIZING PEOPLE'S COMMENTS BECAUSE WE GET INTO TROUBLE WHEN WE DON'T QUOTE IT CORRECTLY OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE CAN TAKE A POLICY ON THAT, TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION ON HOW WE WANT TO DO THOSE, BUT WE TYPICALLY TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM SUMMARIZING COMMENTARY.
WE CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE DOWN THE PARTICULAR ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN FOR SURE.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR POLICY DISCUSSION PURPOSES, IF YOU WANT TO JUST SAY WHAT THE TOPIC WAS IN AND OF ITSELF, THAT MIGHT BE OKAY.
I JUST THINK THAT WHEN WE GO BEYOND A VERY SUCCINCT DEPICTION OF WHAT SAID, WE GET INTO TROUBLE WITH PARAPHRASING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, AND IT GETS SUBJECT TO PEOPLE COMING UP AND SAYING, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT, ETC.
WE DO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.
>> CITY ATTORNEY, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A PARAPHRASE, JUST THE TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED, ONE OR TWO WORDS.
>> SURE AS PART OF WHAT THE COMMISSION GAVE DIALOGUE ON, THOSE TOPICS.
>> NOT JUST WHICH TOPIC, IF THEY WERE HERE TO SPEAK ON.
>> THE VERY FIRST SPEAKER COMMENTED ON THE 20TH LIFT STATION, 20TH LIFT STATION COULD BE LISTED THERE WITHOUT A PARAPHRASING.
>> IS THIS JUST FOR THE TOWN HALL MEETING, OR ARE WE DOING THIS FOR ALL MEETINGS GOING FORWARD?
>> WELL, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ON ALL MEETINGS GOING FORWARD.
WE DON'T DO THAT AT A REGULAR MEETING, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POINT IS HERE.
I GOT THE INITIAL WAS THAT YOU THOUGHT IT WASN'T RECORDED, BUT IT IS RECORDED.
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT FOR THIS ONE SO I CAN MOVE ON, PLEASE.
>> YOU WOULD LIKE THE MINUTES AMENDED TO SHOW THE TOPIC BY EACH SPEAKER?
>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE.
THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS AMENDED. THANK YOU.
WHERE AM I? THAT WAS THE TOWN HALL. WE GOT THAT.
LET'S MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
FINALLY. DONNA, FIRST SPEAKER.>> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU.
FIRST, I REALIZE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WERE PROPOSED AND SO I'M SPEAKING TO THE ORDINANCES IN GENERAL, REALIZING THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THOSE AMENDMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU OR THEY MAY
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NOT BE TIMELY SINCE THERE WAS NO PUBLIC NOTICE WITH REGARD TO THOSE AMENDMENTS GIVEN PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EITHER OF THE TWO ORDINANCES.
I HOPE THE COMMISSION VOTES AGAINST THEM.
MY REASONING FOR THE FIRST ONE, THE CHANGES TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE HAS TO DO WITH ELIMINATION OF THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I DON'T THINK THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE NECESSARILY HAS TO BE PUT AS A DEFINED COMMITTEE WITHIN THE LEGISLATION, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
BUT THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON THAT IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THERE WILL BE NO SUBCOMMITTEE.
COMMITTEES OPERATE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEES ALL THE TIME, SO WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, THERE'S NO REASON TO TOTALLY SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IT PRESENTLY SAYS.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD ORGANIZATION.
SECONDLY, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE 23-23D OUT.
BECAUSE IN DOING SO, THAT NOTICE TIME PERIOD ELIMINATES THE ABILITY FOR ANYONE THAT IS AWARE OF THE ACTION TO APPEAL PRIOR TO A TREE BEING CUT DOWN.
IF YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT AND GIVE FIVE DAYS, AT LEAST THEY'VE GOT FIVE DAYS TO TRY TO APPEAL THAT ALLOWING BEFORE THE TREE GOES.
IF YOU SAY YOU'RE JUST GOING TO ALLOW IT THE VERY NEXT DAY THE TREE COULD BE GONE, WHAT'S THERE TO APPEAL? GOING TO 23-58, YOU'VE GOT THE SHORTENED TERM LIMITS.
I THINK YOU'RE OVERLOOKING THE VALUE OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR A TIME PERIOD.
CERTAINLY YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY ENTRENCHED FOREVER.
I'M NOT AGAINST TERM LIMITS, BUT I THINK THAT THE THREE TERMS WERE PERFECTLY GOOD, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE NORMALLY THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO LAST THAT LONG THOUGH.
GOING TO THE NEXT ONE, GEOGRAPHICAL TERMS. RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT IT SO THAT THERE'S ONE PERSON FOR EACH DISTRICT.
YOU'VE GOT FOUR DISTRICTS THAT MEANS YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY HAVE SIX PEOPLE FROM ONE DISTRICT AND THREE FROM THE OTHER THREE DISTRICTS.
I DON'T SEE WHY YOU COULDN'T HAVE TWO FROM EACH.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NINE PERSON THEN HAVE TWO FROM EACH DISTRICT, AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE BALANCED, ESPECIALLY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH THE TREES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT BALANCED. MAYOR, THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. SUSANNE BARKER IN 1938 BEACHSIDE COURT, AND I AM HERE TO ASK YOU ALL TO VOTE NO ON ORDINANCE 95124.
I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WAS FORMED AND PUT TOGETHER IT DIDN'T GO THE NORMAL ROUTE THAT ORDINANCES DO.
USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS LIKE WITH THE E-BIKES, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ABOUT IDEAS OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE, A DISCUSSION WITH ALL OF YOU, AND THEN AN ORDINANCE WAS FORMED.
AGAIN, YOU REVIEWED IT AND YOU DISCUSSED IT.
YOU GOT A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE AND YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER WHAT SUGGESTIONS AND THEN DISCUSS THEM AMONG YOU, AND THAT COULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME AMENDMENTS COMING OUT.
JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT.
IT ALSO GIVES NOT ONLY YOU ALL A CHANCE TO TALK, BUT FOR US TO COMMENT IN THE PROCESS AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME AMENDMENTS.
BUT I REALLY FEEL AT THIS POINT, IT'S BETTER TO JUST VOTE NO AND START OVER AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> HEY, I'M COMING UP NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD THINK.
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THERE'S JUST A LOT OF STUFF TO RELATE TO YOU.SARAH BOREN, LIVE ON 8TH STREET.
WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE INAUGURAL AWARDS.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS THING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
IT'S NEXT WEEK, WEDNESDAY THE 23RD.
WE HAD 19 SUBMISSIONS, AND WE HAVE 11 AWARD WINNERS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT NIGHT.
JOIN US AT ABBQ AT 6:30, AND LET'S TOAST TO ALL THE HARD WORK ON ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
NEXT, WE HAVE THREE AMAZING HERITAGE TREES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY PASS AND APPROVE TONIGHT.
JUST WANT TO DO A SHOUT OUT TO THE TWO FAMILIES THAT NOMINATED, THEY'RE FABULOUS TREES, AND IT'S A PART OF OUR AMAZING CANOPY.
I ALSO HOPE THAT LISA GOODRICH IS OKAY WITH ME SAYING THIS, SHE'S THE CHAIR OF [INAUDIBLE] SHE AND I MET FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS ON FRIDAY, AND WE FOUND JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF WAYS TO COLLABORATE AND MAKE OUR EFFORTS STRONGER, SO SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THEN FINALLY, OTHER ES MEMBERS CAN COME UP.
I BELIEVE I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL OF ES WHEN I REPEAT WHAT BRUCE ANDREWS SAID AT THE JOINT WORKSHOP, WE WOULD RATHER YOU NOT PASS THIS VERSION OF 95-25-124 AND LET US COME BACK WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO MAKE TO CHAPTER 23 AND MAKE THE TREE ORDINANCE EVEN BETTER. THAT'S IT. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, MS. BOREN. POINT OF ORDER HERE.
WHAT WAS THE POINT THERE ON [INAUDIBLE]?
>> EACH OF THE ORDINANCE IS ON A SECOND READ.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL NEED TO DO, DONNA, YOU'LL NEED TO HOLD THE CARDS BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO SPEAK NOW, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND SPEAK AT THE ORDINANCE READ.
>> YES, THERE'S A PLACE ON HERE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE CHECKED PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN AT THE END, I THINK YOU USUALLY ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH MOST OF YOU EXCEPT THE MAYOR BECAUSE YOU WERE OUT OF TOWN TO DISCUSS THESE CHANGES THAT WERE BROUGHT ABOUT.
YOU ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THEM.
AS A TEACHER MYSELF AND THE DAUGHTER OF A TEACHER AND THE MOTHER OF A TEACHER, I BELIEVE THAT PARKS PROVIDE A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT FOR STUDENTS TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR WORLD AND THEIR PLACE IN IT, SO I'M FOR PARKS, AND I'M FOR EDUCATION IN PARKS.
WHAT IS BOTHERSOME TO ME IS A COMPLETE FARMERS MARKET BUSINESS OPERATING IN A PARK THAT OVERTAKES OUR PARK, OPERATING ON THE SAME PERMIT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
NOT ONLY CAN I NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PARK ON THAT DAY IF I WANTED TO HAVE A PAVILION OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT NO ONE ELSE CAN.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, THE DOLLAR FIGURES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S CAUSING DAMAGE TO OUR PARKS, OUR TREES, OUR CITIZENS.
IT'S A MAJOR INCONVENIENCE EVERY SUNDAY.
I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
YOU ALL KNOW THE FINANCES AND YOU KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS THAT WE'RE IN THAT AGREEMENT, AND WE'RE FACILITATING A BUSINESS.
FARMERS MARKET TO ME MEANS FRESH FRUIT, FRESH VEGETABLES, I CAN GO, I CAN GET A LOAF OF BREAD, THIS AND THAT.
THERE WERE ONLY TWO VENDORS THERE YESTERDAY, ONE SELLING FRUITS AND VEGETABLES AND ONE SELLING HERBS.
TO ME, THAT'S A PROBLEM. I ALSO WOULD LIKE YOU TO VOTE NO AND START OVER AGAIN BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. THANKS.
I'M HERE TO ACTUALLY SPEAK ON THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION.
BUT I'M WITH ALL THIS PEOPLE AND WITH MOST OF THEM ON THEIR ISSUES.
BUT THIS LIFT STATION, IT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOUSE.
THAT EASEMENT ACTUALLY SITS DIRECTLY ON MY PROPERTY WITHIN MY SURVEY.
THEREFORE, WE HAVE THE MOST DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT AND PROXIMITY TO THIS STATION AND THE PROPOSED GENERATOR AND PROPANE TANK.
I'D LIKE TO FIRST SAY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I WERE NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT OR ANY PROJECTS WHICH SEEK TO UPDATE THE FUNCTION AND THE MAINTENANCE OF CITY OPERATIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS.
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I KNOW THESE SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE UPDATED. I KNOW THEY'RE OLD.I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT RISING WATER, HEAVY STORMS, EVERY YEAR, IT'S GETTING WORSE.
I'M HERE TO ASK MORE FOR CLARIFICATION FOR WHAT'S GOING ON AND A LOT BETTER COMMUNICATION.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE HAD REALLY POOR COMMUNICATION ON MY PROPERTY AND HAD CHANGES HAPPEN WITH BEING COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED.
I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN AND I HAVE PETS, AND THEY PLAY JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS FENCE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE OPERATION.
WE ALSO LOVE OUR BACKYARD. I'M A HUGE GARDENER.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN OUR BACKYARD.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS OVER BARBECUES.
WE DINNER OUTSIDE ALL THE TIME WHEN IT'S NICE OUT, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE LEVELS INCREASING WITH THE PROPOSED GENERATOR.
I'M HEARING A WIDENING OF THIS BIG ROAD AND THE POTENTIAL OF REALLY BIG TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING BACK AND FORTH AND CHECKING IT DAILY, WEEKLY, WHATEVER IT IS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE TO MITIGATE THE SOUND AND EMISSIONS.
I HEAR THE STATION KICK ON FROM TIME TO TIME, AND IT'S LIKE A LOW VIBRATING HUMMING SOUND.
THERE'S ALSO A SEWAGE SMELL THAT I GET IN MY HOUSE FROM TIME TO TIME, IT COMES INTO MY SHOWER AND MY BATHROOM.
I'VE ALREADY GOT SOME CONCERNS, WHICH I'VE UNFORTUNATELY NOT BROUGHT UP BEFORE, BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF THE CITY IS GOING TO BE TESTING WATER OR SOIL ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS AND CONTAMINATION.
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS 500 GALLON PROPANE TANK THAT'S POTENTIALLY TO BE ABOVE ROUND, EXPOSED.
THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN A PROBLEM, AS I SAID.
I CAME HOME ONE DAY, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, MY FENCE WAS GONE IN MY BACKYARD, COMPLETELY GONE, AND I HAD LET MY CHILDREN OUT TO PLAY IN BACKYARD WHILE I MADE DINNER.
THEY COULD HAVE WANDERED INTO THE DITCH, DROWNED, PETS COULD HAVE RUN AWAY.
THEY COULD HAVE WALKED INTO THE STREET AND GOTTEN HIT BY A CAR.
THE CITY TOLD ME NOTHING ABOUT IT.
THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH I HAD PERMITS PULLED TO REDO MY FENCE THREE WEEKS FROM THAT POINT.
JUST REALLY POOR COMMUNICATION.
I THINK THAT WE NEED A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, AND THAT THESE ARE VITAL TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S STRONG RELATIONSHIPS, AND THAT WE'RE FOSTERING TRUST BETWEEN CITIZENS AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER, STRATEGIZE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. GUEST VERSION OF MY ADDRESS.
I ALSO HAVE A HOUSE IN CRYSTAL RIVER.
THEY PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE STREET THERE, I CALLED CITY HALL, WITHIN 40 MINUTES.
THE CITY BADGER IS AT MY HOUSE EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING ON.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT WITH THE LIFT STATION.
JUST A THOUGHT, BUT CLUE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING.
>> HOW CAN I PUT THIS LIGHTLY? SAY, IF I WANT TO SPONSOR SOME LADIES' BUD VESTLING IN A PARK, MAKE A PROFIT OFF IT.
IS THERE MUCH DIFFERENCE? HERE WE HAVE SOMETHING WITH THE SENSITIVE PREMISE OF EDUCATION.
THIS IS THEY'RE PARKING THESE PRE-K KIDS HERE AT $12,000 A YEAR.
THESE ARE ENTITLED PEOPLE DROPPING OFF ENTITLED KIDS AND USING A STATE PARK, MAKING A HUGE PROFIT OUT OF IT.
I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING SQUARE.
IF WE WANT TO GIVE ENTITLED PEOPLE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES, WHY DON'T WE GIVE THEM SPECIAL HOURS ON SEVEN ON THE ROAD? WHY DON'T WE LET THEM BELIEVE THEMSELVES AS KIDS HAVE DONE IN THIS PARK CONTINUOUSLY? WENT THERE TODAY.
THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE TOYS AND EVERYTHING AND THE NEIGHBORS THERE ARE PRECLUDED FROM ANYBODY ELSE IS PRECLUDED FROM USE OF THAT PARK WHILE THAT OPERATION.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S $12,000 A YEAR.
TUITION FOR THAT TIMES 8, 09, 10, I'M NOT SURE.
CITY SEEING NOTHING, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
THE POINT IS, IT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT SHOULD NOT BE A PRIVATE VENTURE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. THANK YOU.
>> I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDS.
>> I'M JUST SAYING THAT I MOVED HERE TEN YEARS AGO BECAUSE I WANTED A COMMUNITY THAT WORKED TOGETHER WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND TOOK CARE OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE CARED ABOUT.
I WANT ALL OF US TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS TO KEEP THE TREES, TO KEEP THE COMMUNICATION GOING BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION. THAT'S IT.
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>> A PREEMPTIVE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MITIGATION WORK I HOPE TO SEE TODAY ON THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION.
I'M GOING TO SEGUE INTO, I HAVE TWO ASKS.
I ATTENDED THE TOWN HALL, WHICH IS REALLY NOT THE RIGHT FORM FOR THE LIFT STATION PROJECT.
BUT I HEARD THAT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING AT THE LIFT STATION, THE WORK'S BEEN DONE.
THE WIDENING ROAD PROJECT WAS KILLED.
THE KEYWORD IS USING THE WORD WIDEN.
IF I ASK YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO DO ANY ROAD WORK AT THE LIFT STATION? WELL, WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.
PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT SAFER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ALONG THE DITCH BECAUSE WE THINK OUR TRUCKS ARE GOING TO FALL.
HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION IS THE ANSWER THAT YOU GET AND THIS IS HOW I KNOW.
AFTER THE TOWN HALL, I KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR THAT I HAD NOT SPOKEN TO.
THEY ALL HAD HEARD ABOUT IT, AND THEY ALL SAID, OH, I ALREADY CALLED THE CITY.
I ASKED THEM IF THEY WERE GOING TO RIDE IN THE ROAD AND THEY SAID THAT PROJECT DID.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING IN A GENERATOR. THAT'S IT.
I WOULD ASK YOU, HOW CAN YOU PUT IN A GENERATOR WITHOUT A PROPANE TANK? HOW CAN YOU PUT A GENERATOR IN A PROPANE TANK AT A LIFT STATION THAT'S NOT FLOODPROOF? WE ALL KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THAT 500-GALLON FUEL TANK.
YOU STILL HAVE TO FLOODPROOF THE LIFT STATION.
YOU'RE STILL DISCUSSING NECESSARY ROAD WORK FOR HEAVY MACHINERY AND LARGE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY.
YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE LIFT STATION UNDERGROUND.
THESE THINGS ARE ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
THERE ARE PLANS ONLINE, AND THEY'RE BEING COMMUNICATED BY STAFF.
I KNOW IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY TO SIGN OFF.
WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR IS, WHAT IS THE FORUM? IT'S NOT 3 MINUTES HERE AND IT'S NOT AT A TOWN HALL, WHICH YOU DID A VERY GREAT JOB FACILITATING THAT.
BUT WHERE'S OUR TIME? I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A CITIZEN'S MEETING ABOUT THIS LIFT STATION BECAUSE EVERYONE'S CONFUSED, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, I WOULD LOVE MY COMMISSIONER TO BE THERE.
I WOULD LOVE YOU TO BE THERE AND ANYONE ELSE WHO CARES TO ATTEND, YOU'RE INVITED, ESPECIALLY YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GREAT.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST SAY IS, YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
I'M EMOTIONAL BECAUSE, IN THE YEAR 2000, ATLANTIC BEACH KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND SAID, I NEED THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY.
THEY BOUGHT A PORTION OF THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY FOR $10.
YOU PUT IN A CHEAP RETAINING WALL THAT HAS SINCE COLLAPSED AND IS CONTINUING TO BREAK.
THAT RETAINING WALL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, NEEDS TO BE PROPER FOR PLANT PLANE, WHETHER YOU DO A ROAD OR NOT, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S WHY I'M EMOTIONAL. YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN YARD.
CAN YOU LEAVE US ALONE AND MAKE IT RIGHT? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR FORD, FOR YOUR HELP TOO.
>> MAYOR, COMMISSION, KEN SIMON, 1945, [INAUDIBLE] MAR CIRCLE.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU FOR TWO THINGS TODAY.
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, NUMBER ONE, FOR A REQUIREMENT THAT COMMERCIAL GENERATORS IN ATLANTIC BEACH REQUIRE A PERMIT.
RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS ARE REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT FOR A GENERATOR.
BUT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO HOLD THEMSELVES TO ACCOUNT TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODES.
THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIRE THAT A SITE PLAN AND MANY OTHER SLAD PLAN, WHERE THE LOCATION OF A FUEL TANK GOES, WHERE THE GENERATOR GOES, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, AND RIGHT NOW, A GENERATOR ON THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION IS BEING INSTALLED WITH NO PERMIT.
REGARDLESS OF THE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING CODE, BECAUSE NONE OF THESE ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S VERIFIABLE BECAUSE THE CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE TOLD US AS MUCH.
RIGHT NOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT IF WE TAKE A 500-GALLON FUEL TANK AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT ATTACHMENTS OR CORRECT SLAB FOR IT TO GO ON, IT'S NOT THAT IT STAYS IN PLACE.
IT'S THAT IF THERE IS A FLOOD THAT IT WILL BECOME BUOYANT AND BECOME A TANK THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD, IT COULD DO DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND PEOPLE.
IF ANYONE HERE EVER WANTS TO JUST GOOGLE AN LPG GAS TANK AND SEE WHAT IT DOES DURING A HURRICANE AND FLOOD THAT ISN'T PROPERLY MOUNTED.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE'S TANKS FLOATING ACROSS THE WATER THAT ARE ON FIRE.
THAT'S HAPPENED AS RECENT AS HENDERSON IN NORTH CAROLINA.
I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE TAKE THE ACTION TO MAKE SURE COMMERCIAL GENERATORS ARE REQUIRED.
FIVE COASTAL COUNTIES IN FLORIDA ALL HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL GENERATORS. I HAVE THE LIST HERE.
THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY IN LINE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS.
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THAT'S MY FIRST ASK.MY SECOND HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A BIT HERE ALREADY.
COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY IS NOTHING BUT IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, TO SAY THE LEAST.
NO REASON FOR ME TO BE STANDING HERE ASKING QUESTIONS FOR ANSWERS THAT I SHOULD ALREADY HAVE.
THAT COMMUNICATION DOES LEAN OVER TO THE ACCESS ROAD ON THE 20 STREET LIFT STATION.
THAT ACCESS ROAD JOB IS NOT DEAD, BUT WE HAVE RESIDENTS LOCAL TO US WHO CALLED THIS WEEK THE CITY AND SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON BACK THERE? THEY WERE TOLD IT'S DEAD.
IT'S NONEXISTENT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
BUT WE KNOW THAT ENGINEERS AND UTILITY DEPARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY AND ACTIVELY WORKING ON A PLAN, SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BY THE WAY, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY TOWARDS THAT PROJECT, AND THAT IS A GENERATOR PROJECT.
IT'S A BULKHEAD, AND IT'S A LONG-TERM REHABILITATION.
WITH ENGINEERING PLANS, IF ANYONE WANTS TO LOOK, IS ALREADY ON SITE.
NOT ONLY IS IT PLANNED, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC PLANS DONE BY ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS THAT SAID IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW FLORIDA BUILDING CODE RIGHT IN THE PLANS.
CURRENTLY, THE SCOPE OF WORK SAYS, NO PERMITS REQUIRED. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
>> HELLO, CLAIRE GERTZ 28 17TH STREET, TEN-YEAR RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
BRUCE BOL, I WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY, AND WE'VE NEVER MET.
I'VE E-MAILED YOU AND WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN BACK.
HOPEFULLY, I GET TO MEET YOU ONE DAY.
>> SO AM I? I'M HERE TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT IS SITTING ON OUR ATLANTIC BEACH WEBSITE ABOUT ASHBY PARK.
ALTHOUGH IT DOES STILL SAY MARVIN GARDEN.
IT'S THE FACT SHEET. LISTED ON THE FACT SHEET OF AMENITIES, BENCHES, STEPS ON A TREE FOR CLIMBING, AND A TIRE SWING.
NOW, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH OUTSIDE KIDS, WHO I LOVE, SO I VOTE NO FOR ALL OF THAT.
BUT THIS IS MORE AN ISSUE OF THESE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUTSIDE KIDS.
THEN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN WITH NO COMMUNICATION.
THERE'S A WHOLE TRUST ISSUE HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A WHOLE PARK QUESTIONNAIRE AND WE ALL FILLED IT OUT, AND WE ALL SAID, WHAT DO WE WANT FROM OUR PARKS? THEN THERE WAS A ROLLOUT OF THIS WHOLE NEW WEBSITE, AND THEN IT'S GONE.
THEN I HEAR RUMBLINGS ABOUT RISK MANAGEMENT.
WELL, I HAD A LONG CAREER AS DIRECTOR OF QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR AN INTERNATIONAL COMPANY INVOLVING RISK MANAGEMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S NO RISK WITH A TINY TIRE SWING.
ATLANTIC BEACH DOES NOT GIVE A POCKET PARK FOR LITTLE TODDLERS.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S COMING FOR MOTHER'S DAY.
CURTIS FORD, I WAS THERE WHEN YOU CUT THE RIBBON, AND YOU ALL SAID, THIS ASHBY PARK IS AMAZING.
LOOK AT THE KIDS, STEWART'S GRANDCHILDREN WERE THERE.
WE CAN'T TAKE OUR KIDS TO THE PARK BY WHERE THE MARKET IS OR WHERE THE KIDS ON THE SKATEBOARDS ARE, OR WHERE THE ELECTRIC BIKES ARE.
YOU CAN'T TAKE A 12-MONTH-OLD.
YOU CAN'T TAKE A SIX-MONTH-OLD, BUT THERE WERE STEPPING STONES, AND YOU COULD PUT A SIX-MONTH-OLD ON A STEPPING STONE AND SAY, LOOK IT'S A DOLPHIN, AND LOOK IT'S A STARFISH, AND YOU COULD PUT THAT KID IN A TIRE SWING, AND THEY COULD FALL OUT OF A TIRE SWING ON THE DIRT AND THERE WAS NO RISK.
YES, MR. WHEATLEY, I HAVE NEVER MET YOU.
EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS I WALK PAST THAT PARK AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR TIMES A DAY.
I UTILIZE THE PARK WHEN OUTDOOR KIDS ARE THERE.
I SIT ON THE BENCH, I READ A BOOK.
IT'S OUTDOOR KIDS IS THERE WHAT? FOUR DAYS A WEEK, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, TO 2:00.
SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY, THERE ARE GRANDMOTHERS FROM THIS ENTIRE TOWN.
THEY WERE IN THAT PARK. THERE WERE NEW MOMS IN THAT PARK.
YOU HAD TAKEN SOMETHING AWAY FROM THIS CITY THAT WAS DONE, AND THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS WRONG, BUT I HAVE TO SAY I DO NOT TRUST THIS ADMINISTRATION MUCH ANYMORE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S BACK DOOR DISCUSSIONS GOING ON.
I HOPE YOU ARE MORE FORTHRIGHT.
I HOPE RISK MANAGEMENT INCLUDES THE TWO-FOOT BY 1 FT BY EIGHT-INCH DEEP POTHOLE THAT WE WATCHED GROW ON BEACH AVENUE, THAT I FINALLY CALLED KEVIN WITH A PICTURE, BUT AB TRUCKS WENT BY EVERY DAY.
WHEN I SAW A KID GET HIS FOOT STUCK, THAT'S RISK MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S LIKE YOU GUYS DRIVING TRUCKS AND NOT NOTICING A GROWING POTHOLE.
TAKING DOWN A TIRE SWING, IT WAS PUT UP.
IT'S WRONG AND I VOTE NO. THANK YOU.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A PERFECT TIME FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT DECORUM.
IT'S BOTH WAYS, WE DON'T APPLAUD. WE DON'T BOO.
WE DON'T TURN TO THE AUDIENCE AND ENLIST SUPPORT AND ENGAGEMENT.
THIS PRESENTATION IS TO THIS DIAS.
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IF YOU'LL HONOR THAT FOR ME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWIMMINGLY GREAT TIME FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT. YES, MA'AM.THANK YOU FOR GIVING US ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR OUR VOICE.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE JUST BROUGHT FORTH BY MR. KILLINGSWORTH, THE FOUR AMENDMENTS FOR 951-20-5205.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THOSE AMENDMENTS, AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PASS THAT ORDINANCE WITH THOSE FOUR AMENDMENTS.
TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION, I WOULD LIKE PERMISSION FOR SOME OF THE OUTSIDE KIDS TO SING. THAT BE ALL RIGHT?
>> BECAUSE I HAVE 2 MINUTES AND 9 SECONDS LEFT.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I GOT.
>> YOU CAUSED ME TO BREAK PROTOCOL, AND I ACTUALLY APPLAUDED THAT.
KIDS, WELL DONE. THANK YOU, MS. COLSON.
>> COMMISSIONER MAYOR COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A HARD TO FOLLOW.
I PROMISE NOT TO SING. I DON'T WANT TO GET BOOTED.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE COURTESY ON THE FLOOR, IT'S DEMOCRACY AND ACTION.
WE GET A LOT OF VOICES, A LOT OF CONCERNS.
IT'S GREAT FOR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD FOR WRITING LEGISLATION.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR WRITING ORDINANCES.
EVERYONE COMES UP AND HAS AN IDEA.
THE BEST WAY TO WRITE ORDINANCE IS, AS WE ALL KNOW BECAUSE WE DID IT FOR ONE YEAR WRITING THE CURRENT VERSION OF CHAPTER 24.
IT TOOK A YEAR AND TOOK A LOT OF INPUT, OUTPUT, STAFF, COMMISSIONERS.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THE AMENDMENT UNDER AGENDA ITEM 9A.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF REASONS.
ONE OF THEM, WE TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS.
COURTESY, THE FLOOR IS NOT THE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE.
ONE IS MARGINALIZATION OF THE ESC AND COAB.
SPECIFICALLY, WE WON 2022, WE WON THE JACKSONVILLE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION BOARD AWARD FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
THAT WAS ALL OF US TOGETHER HERE, AND WE WERE RECOGNIZED FOR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
NUMBER 2, THE CHAIRMAN OF OPPORTUNITIES, WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
WELL, WE SEE THAT HERE TONIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE FORCED DOWN UPON US FROM ANAHI.
THREE, REDUCTION IN STAFF'S ABILITY TO RESEARCH.
WE'VE HEARD SARAH TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN THERE.
IMAGINE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SARAH AND ESC TO DO SOME OF THAT STUFF FOR US.
NUMBER 4 IS REDUCTION AND OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES.
THE ESC DOES A GREAT JOB IN REACHING OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BOTH HERE, BOTH PERSONALLY, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ESC IS OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.
YOU REDUCE THAT ABILITY BY DEMORALIZING THE ESC MEMBERS.
A NO VOTE DOES NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF YOUR ELECTORATE.
I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME HERE AND SAY, NO, WE WANT A TREE ORDINANCE, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSOCIATE ORDINANCE THAT REFLECTS OUR WILL.
IF YOU THINK YOU NEED TO VOTE YES, I GAVE YOU FIVE REASONS TO VOTE NO.
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IF YOU THINK THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, WELL, I CAN CALL YOUR FIVE YESES, AND I'LL RAISE ANOTHER FIVE.>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SOLETTE WILEY.
FIRST, I NEED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR RESCUING A FAMILY OF DUCKLINGS FROM THE STORE WIDE THERE DRAIN YESTERDAY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS TODAY.
SOME OF THIS MAY NOT BE AS RELEVANT AS I THOUGHT IT WAS WHEN I WROTE IT BECAUSE OF SOME THINGS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT ANYWAY.
FIRST, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON ORDINANCE 95-25-124 AND 95-25-125.
WE NEED TO SAVE OUR PARKS AND TREES AND HAVE THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH BE A PART OF THE DECISIONS MADE TO DO SO.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO ALMOST TAKE AWAY THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
UNFORTUNATELY, HERE WE ARE WITHOUT THE WORKSHOP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE ESC, WHICH WAS ASKED FOR BY THE ATLANTIC BEACH CITIZENS.
BY ALL APPEARANCES, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A POWER GRAB.
ALL WE WANT IS COMMUNICATION, EDUCATION, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD.
I FEEL THAT THE ESC IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR CITY'S HEALTH AND SUCCESS.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND THEN THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, THAT THE CITY MANAGER SHALL HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE USE OF APICAL PARKS AND CITY FACILITIES SO FORTH AND SO ON, AGREEMENTS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT PRECLUDE PUBLIC USE.
ON THE 125, QUESTION 1, WHO OR WHAT ENTITY CURRENTLY OVERSEES AND/OR APPROVES THE BUSINESSES, ACTIVITIES IN PUBLIC PARKS AND CITY FACILITIES? TWO, WHAT OVERSIGHT OR MECHANISM FOR OVERSIGHT WILL BE IN PLACE TO REVIEW THE CITY MANAGERS DECISIONS? WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE? IF NOT ESTABLISHED, A PROCEDURE NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.
FOR THE 124, QUESTION 1, I NEED A DEFINITION FOR WHAT A PASSIVE PARK, WHY RESTRICT THE ESC RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVIEW TWO PASSIVE PARKS? WHICH PARKS IN ATLANTIC BEACH ARE IDENTIFIED AT PASSIVE PARKS, PRESERVES, AND OPEN SPACES? WHY ELIMINATE THE SUBCOMMITTEES? WHY REMOVE THE FIVE BUSINESS DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR THE TREE PERMITS? ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND MORE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND COMMUNICATED WITH THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND THIS FINAL VOTE? I DO HAVE A SECOND ISSUE, BUT I HAVE MADE A COPY FOR ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT.
OR I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE.
PLEASE READ MY SECOND COMMENT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR STORM DRAINAGE AND SPECIFICALLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF SELVA MARINA. THANK YOU.
>> HI, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW ME TO SPEAK.
MEGAN RUSSO, I LIVE AT 1915 CREEK SIDE CIRCLE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE NEW GENERATOR AT THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FORWARD LOOKING THAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE APPLYING FOR GRANTS, AND WE'RE GETTING THAT MONEY TO HELP OUR CITY.
THE ISSUE I HAVE IS OF ALL THE LIFT STATIONS, AND I TRUST ME, I'VE LOOKED.
THIS IS THE MOST RESIDENTIAL LIFT STATION IN ALL OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
PROBABLY, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE, YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY PLOPPED IN THE BACK OF SEVERAL OF OUR BACKYARDS.
IT'S ABOUT 100 FEET FROM MY BACK PORCH.
MY ISSUE IS THAT THIS CITY HAS NOT MADE ANY EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THE NOISE OF THIS GENERATOR.
I AM TOLD AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE STUDY, SO IF THIS IS WRONG, FORGIVE ME.
I WAS RALLIED BY SOME NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION ABOUT THIS.
I AM TOLD THAT THIS GENERATOR WILL EMIT 75 DECIBELS,
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WHICH IS ABOVE WHAT OUR COUNTY ALLOWS.I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENFORCE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO FOLLOW THE NOISE REGULATIONS IT ENFORCES ON ME AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE.
I BOUGHT MY HOUSE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, TOOK A YEAR TO RENOVATE.
NOW, BECAUSE WE RENOVATED AND WE DID A NICE JOB.
I NOW PAY $16,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES.
I'M NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.
MY POINT IS, IF WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OF ALL PLACES TO NOT DO MITIGATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY.
I REALIZE THAT THIS PROJECT IS DOWN THE WAY, BUT I'M HERE TO INFORM YOU OF ONE OTHER THING.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T FAIR.
IF YOU GO DOWN AND THERE IS NO MITIGATION DONE, I AND MAYBE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE WILL JOIN ME. I WILL SUE THE CITY.
IT WILL BE EASY BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER, AND I'M FREE TO MYSELF.
I LOOKED HIM UP. HE'S GOT GREAT CREDENTIALS.
I'M SURE HE'D LOVE TO GO TOE TO TOE.
BUT LISTEN. JASON ALSO HAS GREAT CREDENTIALS, WHICH MEANS HE'S EXPENSIVE.
PART OF DEFENDING THE LAWSUIT IS PAYING HIM PROBABLY AT LEAST $500 AN HOUR.
IF THEY'RE NOT PAYING YOU THAT, THEY SHOULD BE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I LOOKED AT YOUR CREDENTIALS.
I JUST ASK THAT IF THIS COMES UP FOR DISCUSSION, THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THINGS MOVE SLOWLY THROUGH THE COURTS.
I LITIGATED FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE I BECAME A MEDIATOR.
I'D RATHER MEDIATE, I'D RATHER GET ALONG, BUT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, AND I PROMISE YOU, IT WILL PROBABLY OUTWEIGH ANY MITIGATION THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR. THANK YOU.
>> I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THIS.
MATTHEW KRIS HARGIS. PRETTY GOOD?
I'VE LIVED HERE ABOUT 30 YEARS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST ORDINANCE 25-125.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.
MY THREE BOYS ARE ABOUT HEADED OUT THE DOOR, ONE'S DOWN AT FLORIDA, ANOTHER ONE'S STARTING THERE IN THE FALL, AND GOD WILLING THE THIRD WILL BE THERE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
BUT I NEVER THOUGHT I'D HAVE TO BE ADDRESSING THIS BODY ABOUT REGULATING WHERE CHILDREN PLAY.
THIS SEEMS LIKE AN EXERCISE IN GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, THE LIKES WHICH I'VE NEVER SEEN.
I GET IT THAT THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE FARMERS MARKET OR IN THIS EASTER SEASON, MERCHANTS SETTING UP IN THE TEMPLE DOWN HERE.
BUT WITH THE KIDS PLAYING, THE OUTDOOR KIDS DOWN IN ASHBY PARK, AND OTHER PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS, SUMMER CAMPS, WHAT HAVE YOU, WITH KIDS USING PARKS, THAT NEEDS TO BE UNCOUPLED FROM WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE WITH THE FARMERS MARKET.
I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW CITIZENS THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE FARMERS MARKET.
BUT REGULATING AT THE TUNE OF $500 FINES FOR CHILDREN PLAYING IN PARKS JUST STRIKES ME AS NUTS.
I IMPLORE THIS BODY AND THIS COMMUNITY WHERE I'VE RAISED MY FAMILY, AND MY FAMILY AND MY KIDS HAVE USED THESE PARKS THROUGH CAMPS AND OTHER FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, IT IS QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH WITH THE FARMERS MARKET.
I IMPLORE THIS BODY TO UNCOUPLE THIS LEGISLATION AND COME UP WITH A FRAMEWORK BY WHICH THESE INSTRUCTORS OF CHILDREN AND THESE KIDS CAN USE THE PARTS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR.
THAT'S THE BODY THAT USES THEM MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
SEPARATE THAT ISSUE FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT WITH THE FARMERS MARKET BECAUSE THESE KIDS DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ALL THE OTHER KIDS THAT CAME BEFORE THEM HAD.
TO REGULATE THIS, TO ME, AS I SAID, JUST SEEMS NUTS.
THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT'S THE CONCERNS THAN REGULATING KIDS PLAYING IN PARKS.
YOU'VE HEARD WHAT I'VE HAD TO SAY.
I IMPLORE THE BODY TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO COME BACK WITH SOME SYSTEM TO ALLOW THESE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO USE.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS EMILY MCCARTHY, A CONCERNED CITIZEN OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
THIRTY-FIE DAYS AND MANY CITIZEN EMAILS LATER, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CONCERNS RELATED TO ORDINANCE 125 HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
THE PROPOSED FOUR AMENDMENTS THAT WERE VERBALLY ADDRESSED IN A PRIVATE MEANING TODAY IS AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE ARE NOT FINISHED YET.
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AS WRITTEN, ORDINANCE 125 OFFERS NO TRANSPARENT FEE STRUCTURE, NO EXEMPTION FOR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, AND THAT WE JUST TRUST THE CITY WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.SADLY, THERE'S BEEN AN EROSION OF TRUST BASED ON ACTIONS ALREADY TAKEN AND NOT TAKEN SINCE WE WERE LAST IN THIS ROOM.
MOREOVER, I'M CONFUSED BY THE STAFF REPORT FOR ORDINANCE 125 THAT CITES STUDIES THAT SEEM TO HAVE LITTLE OR NO BEARING ON AB PARK USAGE.
ONE SUCH STUDY IS ALL THE WAY FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY, SANTA CLARA UNIVERSITY.
WE WANT THE ORDINANCE TO BE WRITTEN BASED ON OBSERVATIONS OF OUR PARK USAGE AND INPUT FROM OUR CITIZENS.
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I LIVE STEPS FROM ASHBY PARK, A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN CENTRAL TO MY FAMILY'S LIFE.
WHEN TRADITIONAL PRESCHOOL WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT FOR MY YOUNGEST SON, WE FOUND OUTSIDE KIDS, A SMALL LICENSED INSURED OUTDOOR SCHOOL.
IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE NEEDED.
THERE HE LEARNED HOW TO ASSESS HIS SURROUNDINGS LIKE WHEN TREES ARE SAFE TO CLIMB BY MEASURING BRANCHES AGAINST HIS FOREARM, JUST AS HIS TEACHERS, MS. LYNN AND MS. SAVANNAH TAUGHT HIM.
HE'S NOW THRIVING AT AB E AND PLAYING BASEBALL AT OUR AB FIELDS AS I SPEAK.
BUT ASHBY PARK ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE.
SINCE THIS CITY REMOVED THE TIRE SWING, STEPPING STONES, AND OTHER SIGNS OF A VIBRANT WELL LOVED SPACE, IT'S FELT EMPTY.
THE JOY AND NOISE ARE GONE, AND THE MESSAGE TO OUR CHILDREN IS CLEAR. THEY'RE NOT WELCOME.
PLEASE RECONSIDER VOTE NO OR TABLE 125.
WE WANT LEADERS WHO LISTEN. THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS MALIKA UNDERWOOD, AND AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH I'D LIKE TO CALL ATTENTION TO TWO ISSUES.
FIRST, ASHBY PARK IS AFFECTIONATELY CALLED THE SECRET PARK.
I WAS AMONG NEIGHBORS FRIDAY NIGHT AND SOME OF THEM TOLD ME THEIR KIDS, 20 YEAR SENIOR TO MINE, CALLED THE PARK THE SAME THING.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOW MY KIDS CALL IT THE BORING PARK.
AT THE FEBRUARY 24TH COMMISSION MEETING, CITIZENS, INCLUDING ME, RAISED ISSUE WITH THE UNREASONABLE REMOVAL OF SAFE PLAY ITEMS AND STRUCTURES FROM THE SECRET PARK.
UNFORTUNATELY, NO EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO ALLOW ITEMS LIKE THE MUD KITCHEN, THE STEPPING STONES, AND THE TIRE SWINGS TO BE PUT BACK.
THESE ITEMS MADE THE SECRET PARK SPECIAL.
STOP USING LIABILITY AS A RED HERRING AND GIVE THAT SWEET LITTLE PARK BACK TO THE KIDS.
WE ARE NOT NOCATEE OR PONTE VEDRA.
SECOND, DESPITE THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER FROM MAYOR FORD AND MR. KILLINGSWORTH, I REMAIN CONCERNED WITH ORDINANCE 125.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING INTO LAW, IT NEEDS TO BE WELL THOUGHT.
BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S MR. KILLINGSWORTH OR A CITY MANAGER IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GIVING THEM A LOT OF POWER TO DECIDE WHO HAS ACCESS TO OUR PARKS.
THERE SIMPLY CANNOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SUBJECTIVITY, BIAS, OR INCONSISTENCY.
YOU MAY NEED A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THE BUSINESS LIKE THE FARMERS MARKET, BUT DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.
THERE ARE OTHER CHERISHED COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY ORDINANCE 125.
AGAIN, WE NEED LEADERS WHO LISTEN.
I IMPLORE YOU, SAVE THE SECRET PARK, AND TAKE THE TIME TO GET 125 RIGHT. THANK YOU.
SHE GETS IT RIGHT. WE WERE HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I SUGGESTED MAYBE YOU WEREN'T DOING YOUR JOBS VERY WELL.
I CAN'T DECIDE IF IT'S THAT OR JUST INCOMPETENCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THIS JUST SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING, GUYS.
WE HAVE A MAGNIFICENT COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BROKEN, AND YOU'RE NOT LISTENING.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY EXACTLY WHAT ELSE I WOULD SAY OTHER THAN THAT.
I LIKE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE PONTE VEDRA AND NOCATEE, SANTA CLARA, ANYWHERE ELSE.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE WANT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BROKEN THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX.
I'LL JUST THROW THAT QUESTION TO YOU AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT AN ANSWER FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER.
FIRST OF ALL, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE TOWN HALL, I WANT TO SAY, GO GATORS.
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I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THAT OUTCOME.I THINK THAT THROUGH THEIR PERSEVERANCE, THEIR HARD WORK, AND THEIR NEVER SAY QUIT ATTITUDE, THE GATORS BECAME CHAMPIONS, AND THOSE OF US WHO HAVE COME HERE THIS EVENING ARE ALSO CHAMPIONS OF THE PARKS, OF THE TREES, OF THE COMMITTEES WHO FREELY GIVE THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WHICH BY THE WAY, WAS VOTED TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR CITY CHARTER BY 72% OF THE AB POPULATION BACK IN NOVEMBER.
LIKE THE GATORS, AS CHAMPIONS OF THE PARKS, TREES, AND COMMITTEES, WE HAVE ALSO FELT LIKE WE'RE COMING FROM BEHIND.
AS THERE HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN A CLEAR AND CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY OF INFORMATION REGARDING DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO STANDARDIZE AND REDUCE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT.
I THINK WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS EVENING ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH COMMUNICATION.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT WELCOME FREE HELP FROM VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR TIME AND EFFORTS BECAUSE IT CREATES EXTRA WORK FOR THE STAFF.
I HAVE YET TO HEAR SPECIFICS REGARDING WHAT THIS INCREASED WORKLOAD LOOKS LIKE. PLEASE DO TELL.
LIKE ANY CHAMPION WITH A GOAL, WE WILL PERSIST, AND SO I'M ASKING YOU FOR THREE ASKS THIS EVENING TO THE COMMISSION.
ONE, PLEASE VOTE NO ON ORDINANCES 124 AND 125, AS THEY'VE NOT BEEN FULLY DISCUSSED WITH CITIZEN INPUT.
TWO, PLEASE LEAVE THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE IN PLACE OR PERHAPS CONSIDER CREATING A FREE STANDING TREE COMMITTEE THAT WILL WORK IN TANDEM WITH THE ESC AND CITY STAFF.
I WAS VERY PLEASED TO HEAR FROM KEVIN HOGAN CAMP THIS MORNING THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT THIS CITY IS A TREE CITY, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE SIGNAGE AND ALSO AN UPDATE TO THE CITY WEBSITE INDICATING THAT.
THIRDLY, PLEASE BE LEADERS WHO LISTEN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE ADVOCATING FOR OUR CITIZEN COMMITTEES THIS EVENING AS IS EVIDENCED BY THE FULL CHAMBER.
AS I MENTIONED THE LAST TIME I SPOKE AT THIS COMMISSION MEETING, THE FACT THAT THE CHAMBER IS FULL IS GENERALLY NOT A SIGN THAT THINGS ARE RUNNING SMOOTHLY EVEN THOUGH I'M SURE YOU LOVE SEEING ALL OF US.
WE WANT MORE, NOT LESS CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY FOR BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS AND FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MRS. BECKENBAUER.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M REALLY GOING TO TRY NOT TO REITERATE THINGS, ALTHOUGH THAT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS REALLY BEING THE IMPORTANT THINGS.
WHEN YOU HEAR COMMUNICATIONS OVER AND OVER, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF REINSTATING LIAISONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ESPECIALLY TO THE ESC AND THE IRC MIGHT NOT BE A GREAT WAY OF OPENING UP THOSE COMMUNICATIONS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE ONE STEP BACKWARDS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE ROOT PROBLEM THAT GOT US WHERE WE ARE TODAY? WAS APPARENTLY STAFF FEELING THAT WORKLOAD SURROUNDING THE ESC WAS TOO MUCH.
I'M NOT GOING TO USE TOO MANY TREE REFERENCES, BUT WHERE I CAN, I WILL.
THE ANSWER WAS PRUNING THE ESC, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO DIRECTLY HELP THE ROOTS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET EVERYBODY IN THE SAME ROOM REALLY TALK IT OUT.
AS SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT'S HOW PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED.
124, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ESC, I THINK WE CAN SEE, IS A HUGELY POPULAR COMMITTEE AS THEY SHOULD BE.
THEY HELP MAKE ALL THAT WE LOVE ABOUT ATLANTIC BEACH GREAT. WE KNOW THIS.
SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT OF OUR CITIZENS VOTED BOTH ON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDENTSHIP LANGUAGE AND ON KEEPING OUR PARKS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SELL THEM WITHOUT A CITIZEN REFERENDUM.
IN TERMS, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO VOTE NO.
THE SWEEPING CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ON THE DAY OF A SECOND READING,
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IT'S REALLY MIND BOGGLING.ONE TWENTY FIVE, I DON'T SEE HOW IT ADDRESS.
WE HAVE SOME PARK ISSUES, FOR SURE, LIKE REMEMBER THE TENNIS COURT FIASCO, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO USE OUR FACILITIES, WHICH IS A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE.
BUT THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE BASEBALL FIELDS PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FARMERS MARKET REALLY.
WHAT IT HAS DONE IS REMOVE EQUIPMENT, AND WE NEED TO GET AGAIN TO THE ROOT PROBLEM ON THAT.
I WOULD JUST CLOSE BY SAYING, ATLANTIC BEACH HAS WONDERFUL CITIZENS WHO REALLY CARE.
AS COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW YOU CARE, TOO, BUT PLEASE DON'T DISCOURAGE YOUR CITIZENS FROM TRYING TO CONTINUE TO CARE, AND THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND TALENTS, WE SHOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL FOR.
PLEASE VOTE NO 124 AND 125. THANK YOU.
>> HELLO. THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME TIME, AND I'M DOCTOR PETER STOTZ.
I AM A PHYSICIAN MOVED INTO TOWN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.
NOT 70 YEARS AGO, LIKE TOM OVER THERE WHO HAS BEEN IN TOWN HERE.
WHAT BROUGHT ME TO THIS TOWN REALLY WAS IN PART, THE TREE CANOPY.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S AESTHETIC, BUT IT ALSO BRINGS OUR RESILIENCE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IT BRINGS OUR RESILIENCE LARGELY IN TERMS OF STORM SURGES AND WATER, ETC.
I'VE NOTED IN MY SHORT TIME HERE THAT IN SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT WHERE THEY'VE DESTROYED THE TREE CANOPY, THERE'S BEEN FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS THAT HAVE OCCURRED.
I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU VOTE NO ON 124 25, 124, BECAUSE THERE IS A GREAT EFFORT GOING ON BY YOUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO HELP WITH THIS ASPECT, AND TO GET RID OF THE TREE CANOPY OR THE TREE COMMITTEE REALLY JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I'VE HEARD THAT THEIR STAFF WAS OVERWORKED WITH THIS, BUT I WOULD JUST SUBMIT TO YOU, AS THE MEMBERS OF THIS AUDIENCE HAVE SAID, 100% OF THE PEOPLE SO FAR HAVE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOPIC, WANT TO PROTECT OUR TOWN AND WANT TO PROTECT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE AND ESC.
THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT PROTECTING OUR TOWN.
I KNOW EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE RESILIENCE IN THIS TOWN.
IT'S JUST HOW DO WE GET THERE, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN THAT THIS ATTEMPT IS NOT THE RIGHT STRATEGY.
>> HELLO. THANK YOU. COLEEN NOVEMBER, AB RESIDENT.
HELLO, COMMISSION, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, STAFF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I HAVE HERE A POSTER THAT I WANTED TO PRESENT.
I THINK IT REITERATES ALL OF THE CALLS, EMAILS, MEETINGS YOU'VE BEEN FIELDING OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND ESPECIALLY THIS WEEKEND AND TODAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS IS A POSTER THAT VISUALLY EXPLAINS WHY WE WANT NO VOTES TODAY.
IT TALKS ABOUT THREE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM PER ORDINANCE, AND WE HAD 183 CITIZENS THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY FOR WORK, CHILDREN, SPORTS PRACTICES, ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, ABILITY.
BUT THEY WANTED THEIR VOICES HEARD, SO I WILL SUBMIT THEM ELECTRONICALLY TO YOU.
WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO VOTE NO ON 124 AND GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
THANK YOU. FOR PARKS USAGE ORDINANCE 125.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH, FOR WALKING THROUGH THOSE AMENDMENTS.
I THINK THAT IS A GREAT FORAY INTO MAKING THIS RIGHT SIZED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
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COMMISSIONERS, WE ASK THAT YOU TABLE WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE AGENDA FOR 125 UNTIL THOSE AMENDMENTS CAN BE ADDED AND LISTEN TO SOME OF WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS TODAY HAVE SAID TO EVEN FURTHER THE FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, MAYBE ADDING EDUCATIONAL EXEMPTIONS OR THINKING THROUGH SOME MORE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN FROM WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.IN THE LAST BIT OF THIS POSTER, WE HAVE A LITTLE SECTION.
THAT SAYS, WE LOVE OUR LEADERS WHO LISTEN.
I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
IT WAS A LOT, AND I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE PROGRESS WAS MADE.
I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PROGRESS WAS MADE.
I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THAT I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION, THE CITY MANAGER, THE STAFF, THINK CREATIVELY ON HOW EVEN BETTER TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITIZENS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT COULD BE BETTER WITH HOW YOU ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT. THANK YOU.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW THIS GROUP.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS, CITY ATTORNEY. YOU CAN SMILE, JASON.
THAT'S OKAY AND CITY MANAGER, CITY CLERK.
THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING HERE.
THE COMMUNICATIONS IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S FIXABLE.
ALSO, BEING STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS WONDERFUL.
ALL OF YOU ARE HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING UP YOURSELF TIME, ENERGIES, AND YOU'RE LISTENING.
I'M GOING TO JUST TALK ABOUT 124 FIRST BECAUSE I'LL COME BACK LATER TO TALK ABOUT 125. I'M CONCERNED.
I LISTENED TONIGHT ABOUT AMENDMENTS.
I REMEMBER SITTING WHERE YOU'RE SITTING FOR TWO YEARS.
WHAT CAME BEFORE US FROM THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, MR. HENSON, AND THE CITY CLERK, DON, YOU WERE THE CITY CLERK AT THAT TIME.
THE TIME THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALAN JENSEN.
WE RECEIVED ORDINANCES FOR US TO CONSIDER.
FIRST READING, WHAT DO WE DO? WE SAT THERE IN YOUR SEATS, WE LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS, AND WE DEBATE IT, AND THEN WE MASSAGED IT AND IT CAME BACK TO US FOR A SECOND READING.
WHEN IT CAME BACK TO SECOND READING, THE ORDINANCE WAS IN 95% OF FINAL FORM FOR US TO ENACT. MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE TWEAK.
VERY SELDOM WOULD WE TWEAK IT.
BUT TODAY, FOR THIS MEETING, WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU WAS A RED LINE DRAFT.
YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO ACT UPON.
NOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT DISAGREE WITH ME.
BUT MR. KILLINGSWORTH SAID, RIGHT BEFORE THIS GROUP, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO THE COMMISSION AND TO THE CITIZEN, THAT THE CITY CHARTER IS THE LAW OF THE LAND.
BUT GUESS WHAT? IT SAYS ABOUT ORDINANCES TO FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE.
FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS VERY CLEARLY, HOW TO ACT UPON ORDINANCES.
YOU'RE NOT ACTING ON AN ORDINANCE.
WHETHER YOU VOTE YES OR NO, I'M NOT SAYING TO VOTE YES OR NO.
I'M SAYING YOU'VE GOT TO TABLE IT AND GET IT IN A FINAL FORM SO THE CITIZENS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ACTING ON AND SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, LIKE THE BMRC.
THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE, BUT IT IS ELIMINATING THAT FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS OF THE MEMBERS.
PLEASE GET IT RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS, BE TRANSPARENT.
YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK CONCERNING 95, 25, 125.
SOME WEEKS AGO AT THE CITY COMMISSION, THE OUTSIDE KIDS PROGRAM WAS ASSAULTED WITH
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MISINFORMATION AND SERIOUSLY AFFECTED ASHBY PARK.I'M HERE TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT ASHBY PARK.
JUST TO LAY OUT THE HISTORY FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
I SERVED ON A PARKS BOARD WHEN WE HAD ONE HERE IN THE CITY, AND I WORKED WITH OTHER DEDICATED PEOPLE TO BRING BULL PARK BACK TO LIFE AFTER IT HAD JUST TOTALLY DEGENERATED.
IT WAS WRAPPED OFF WITH YELLOW RIBBON.
THE CITY COMMISSION WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
THE PARKS BOARD, FINALLY, THROUGH GREAT WORK, THROUGH MANY PEOPLE BEYOND ME, MANAGED TO PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM AND RECREATE THAT PARK AND ESTABLISH WHAT IT IS TODAY.
PRESENTLY, ASHBY PARK, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BRIEF HISTORY ON ASHBY PARK.
ASHBY PARK ESSENTIALLY IS A ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
THERE'S A VERY SMALL TRIANGLE WITHIN THERE THAT ISN'T RIGHT AWAY.
I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 31 YEARS, MY PEOPLE, MY FAMILIES, MY CHILDREN, AS A GREAT PLACE TO GO AND PLAY.
THAT PARK WAS BASICALLY TAKEN APART AFTER THE ASSAULT ON OUTSIDE KIDS, WHICH WAS ERRONEOUS, AND BASICALLY TOTALLY DENUDED.
ON SATURDAY MORNINGS, I'D WAKE UP AND I COULD HEAR THE SOUND OF CHILDREN.
THIS SOUNDS CORNY, BUT I WOULD WAKE UP, LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT PARK WAS FULL OF CHILDREN.
IT WAS FULL OF PARENTS, IT WAS FULL OF FAMILIES.
DURING COVID, IT WAS A REFUGE.
IT WAS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO COME, BE OUT OF DOORS, SHARE TIME, WATCH THEIR CHILDREN PLAY.
AS A RESULT OF THE ASSAULT ON THE PARK AND OUTSIDE KIDS WHO HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH IT.
AN AREA DEVELOPED AIDED BY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY BROUGHT THINGS, THEY DEDICATED A MUD KITCHEN, THEY BROUGHT TOYS, DID ANY NUMBER OF THINGS TO CREATE THIS ENVIRONMENT.
OUR GOAL WHEN I WAS IN THE PARKS COMMISSION WAS TO MAKE THE PARKS AFFORDABLE AND USABLE BY THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE DEFINITELY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT SAFETY, EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT THOSE BASICALLY ARE NOT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE.
OUR PURPOSE IS TO CREATE A COMMUNITY WHERE OUR CHILDREN CAN PLAY, WHERE THEY CAN LEARN, WHERE THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR SKILLS IN AN ENVIRONMENT FREE OF SCREENS.
THE PROCESS I'VE WITNESSED HERE LEAVES ME LACKING TRUST.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH, I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING TOWARDS AMENDING THIS PROCESS.
YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUSLY HARD JOB, AND I RESPECT ALL OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING SOME ATTENTION TO THIS PARK, TRYING TO RECREATE WHAT IT WAS AND AND LISTEN, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT WE WHAT.
WHAT WE EXPECT AND WHAT WE DESERVES [OVERLAPPING].
>> MR. COLSON, I'M SORRY, BUT EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES.
>> PENNY RUCKUS, 1870 NORTH SHERRY DRIVE.
COMMISSIONERS, MR. MAYOR, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO, THIS IS NOT A COMMISSION-RUN CITY.
THIS IS A CITY-MANAGER-RUN CITY.
SO MR. KILLINGSWORTH, I AM ASKING YOU AS A TEACHER, AS A LOVER OF CHILDREN PLAYING IN PARKS AND EVERYTHING, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM.
WE USED TO HAVE A WONDERFUL SWING DOWN IN JOHANSEN PARK. THAT'S GONE.
I USED TAKE MY GRANDDAUGHTER THERE ALL THE TIME.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I RESPECT THE MOST SAID SOMETHING TO ME RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
SHE SAID, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE STERILIZING ATLANTIC BEACH.
I LISTENED TO THAT, AND I SAID, I MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO, AND SHE'S RIGHT.
WE ARE STERILIZING ATLANTIC BEACH.
WE DON'T LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE LIVE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN GO AND WE CAN PLAY, AND THE KIDS CAN DO THEIR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING THROUGH THE MEDIANS IN SOME OF OUR STREETS BACK IN SELVA MARINA, AND I LOVE IT.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE BMX PLACE.
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOOD.
I KNOW THERE ARE LIABILITIES, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU'VE GOT TO LET THESE KIDS BE KIDS.
YOU DO NEED TO DECOUPLE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE FARMERS MARKET, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
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YOU CAN'T CHARGE SOMEBODY $50 A WEEK OR THEREABOUTS AND THEN MAKE 02,000 AND THE CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING, AND THAT'D BE OKAY.I AM THERE EVERY DAY, EVERY SUNDAY AT 9:30 TO GET MY EGGS AND UNLIKE WHAT THAT MAN SAID, MY EGGS, MY MEAT, MY VEGETABLES, EVERYTHING'S THERE.
I'M VERY HAPPY. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL OF IT, BUT YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR THE CITY SO THAT WE'RE REIMBURSED FOR WHAT TIME WE HAVE.
WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION CAN DO IS TRY AND STRUCTURE SOME BETTER COMMUNICATION BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
LIKE AT THE MARKET, WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.
WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE WANTING TO BE INVOLVED WITH BOTH THINGS.
HERE, WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM.
I'M ASKING YOU TO TRY AND FIX THAT.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ALL.
I'M JOHN FANATI, 391, 8TH STREET, A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR 34 YEARS.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU ALL TO VOTE NO ON ORDINANCE 124.
I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR TREE CANOPY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THAT I KNOW WE ALL CHERISH.
DISBANDING THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL MEAN LESS EYES, LESS TRANSPARENCY ON THE STATE OF OUR TREE CANOPY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OVERSIGHT.
IN TERMS OF VOLUNTEERS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT MAKES AB SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE IS ALL THE CITIZENS WHO DO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME.
LET'S KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING AND VOTE NO ON THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU.
I KNOW AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU WERE RELATED.
>> I GUESS THAT MEANS NO DOUGHNUTS.
I'M RELATED TO THE SENATIS. I AM.
>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, HOOK US UP.
>> HI, THANK YOU. I'M EMILY MINOR, I'M A RESIDENT HOMEOWNER.
MANY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARTICULATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING SOUND LIKE THEY GO A CERTAIN WAY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE LAST MEETING, BOTH REGARDING ORDINANCE ENDING IN 124 AND 125.
BUT I THINK WE ALL NEED A BIT MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO READ THEM AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEAN.
AS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS EARLIER SAID, THESE ARE RED LINES. THESE ARE DRAFTS.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO VOTE ON AT THIS POINT OR I FEEL AS IF I'M NOT SURE WHETHER I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO OR WHETHER I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PROPOSING THEM.
IT DOES INDICATE THAT YOU HAVE HEARD US.
THIS IS MY THIRD TIME COMING BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, AND I'M SEEING MANY FAMILIAR FACES.
I DO THANK YOU FOR PROPOSING THEM.
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR YOU TO TABLE A VOTE ON BOTH AMENDMENT 124 AND 125 SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE FULLY REVISED ORDINANCES THAT INCORPORATE ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
I ALSO WANT TO USE SOME OF MY TIME TO ARTICULATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE WORK OF THE ESC AND SPECIFICALLY THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE.
THIS GROUP OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF RESEARCHING AND PROPOSING CREATIVE SOLUTIONS REGARDING TREE PERMIT APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PRESERVATION OF OUR CANOPY WHILE ALSO MEETING THE GOALS AND INTENTIONS OF THE HOMEOWNERS, THE APPLICANTS.
THE HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON 5TH AND EAST COAST IS ONE EXAMPLE.
IT TAKES TIME TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS THAN A STRAIGHT YES OR NO, AN ACCEPTANCE OR REJECTION OF A PERMIT.
IT TAKES TIME TO RESEARCH ALTERNATIVES TO PROPOSE AND TO COME TO AGREEMENT.
THIS IS TIME THAT STAFF WITH SO MANY OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TIME FOR, AND NOR SHOULD WE EXPECT THEM TO.
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE INCREDIBLE VALUE THAT THE ESC BRINGS AND THAT REMOVING
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THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND REQUIRING A FULL ESC MEETING TO ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.I ALSO WANT TO SAY AS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE HAVE ARTICULATED, THE TREE CANOPY IS SO CRITICAL TO THE VALUE OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
WE SEE THAT IN HOW THE PROPERTY VALUES IN ATLANTIC BEACH, BUCK, CITY, AND STATE, AND CERTAINLY NATIONAL TRENDS.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US HERE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY ANOTHER MEETING TO RESPOND TO THE REVISIONS OF THESE ORDINANCES.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND CHARTER OFFICERS.
AS A BIT OF A REMINDER TO MOST OF THE CITIZENS WATCHING, YOU COMMISSIONERS, YOU'LL ONLY HIRE THREE PEOPLE.
CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER, AND THE CITY CLERK.
MOST OF THIS COMMISSION, ONE EXCEPTION, VOTED TO HIRE THESE TWO AND VOTED TO RETAIN THIS ONE.
OUTSTANDING, GREAT JOB ALL THE WAY AROUND, PARTICULARLY AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN HIRING MR. KILLINGSWORTH AWAY FROM COJ, WHICH WE ALL HAVE HEARTBURN WITH COJ.
BUT THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THERE'S A COMMUNICATIONS PROBLEM WITHIN THE CITY THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT CAN REALLY ADDRESS, AND IT IS THE CITY MANAGER WHO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT WHEN YOU HIRED HIM, AND I'VE WATCHED HIS TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS FOR THE LAST YEAR, AND I STILL ADAMANTLY SUPPORT HIM.
BUT THE STAFF IS TONE DEAF, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIONS THAT THE STAFF DOES THAT ARE DEEMED BY MOST PEOPLE TO BE HEAVY-HANDED ACTIONS BY THE STAFF.
YOUR STAFF IS NOT DOING YOU WELL IN YOUR POSITION.
YOU CAN'T DO THE BIG BRAIN THINGS IF YOUR STAFF IS NOT FULLY ON BOARD AND SUPPORTING YOU.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT A VISION, LIKE SOME PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON FACEBOOK, ABOUT WHAT IS THE CITY MANAGER'S VISION.
CITY MANAGER WANTS THE CITY TO RUN EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. I HAVE NO DOUBT.
IT'S MORE OF A MANAGEMENT AND A LEADERSHIP FUNCTION THAT CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO PICK UP ON.
YOU'VE HAD A YEAR HERE, SIR, GO FOR IT.
BUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS IS, ONCE AGAIN, IT COMES BACK DOWN TO COMMUNICATIONS.
WE'RE NOT EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATING FROM THE CITY.
I THOUGHT WE HAD A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.
MR. KILLINGSWORTH NEEDS AN EFFECTIVE CHIEF OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT MANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND THAT THEY'RE KEEPING HIS BUTT OUT OF TROUBLE, AND THAT AIN'T BEEN HAPPENING, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND, IT'S SOMETHING NEW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE DIRECTORS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE DEPUTY DIRECTORS, BUT MR. KILLINGSWORTH, AS OUR CITY MANAGER, HAS TO GET THAT SORTED OUT AND QUICKLY.
WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT ABOUT HEAVY-HANDED ACTIONS BY PART OF THE STAFF? WELL, THE CURRENT 20TH STREET LIFT STATION GENERATOR FIASCO, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE, AND I SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR WHEN THEY WANTED TO SPEND $750,000 FOR A ROAD TO BULKHEAD.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ASHBY PARK ISSUE, LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL, THE FARMERS MARKET, THE TENNIS COURTS, THE PICKET BALL COURTS.
THE STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTING MR. KILLINGSWORTH, AND I REALLY WANT TO IMPRESS UPON ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR, FULLY SUPPORT MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
HE NEEDS TO BRING IN MORE OF HIS OWN PEOPLE TO SUPPORT HIM AND GET OUR CITY MOVING MORE EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TREVOR PARKER.
I LIVE AT 1959 BRISTA DE MAR CIRCLE [INAUDIBLE].
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS WONDERFUL CITY SINCE 1979.
[LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS STATION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS OR I'D LIKE TO SIMPLIFY IT AND EXPRESS WHAT WE IN THAT GROUP FEEL.
IT APPEARS THAT THERE REALLY HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT.
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IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND IMPORTANT THE CITY PROTECTS AND UPGRADES OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEMS. THAT'S A GIVEN. WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT.UNFORTUNATELY, AS THINGS CURRENTLY STAND, THE DIRECTLY IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW THE ROADWORK AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY DURING AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
A SIMPLE AND CLEAR REVIEW IS CALLED FOR.
SECONDLY, THE DESIGNS FOR THE REVISED LIFT STATION CURRENTLY DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE SATISFACTORY SOUND, ODOR, AND VISUAL MITIGATION.
AGAIN, A SIMPLE REVIEW IS CALLED FOR.
WE, ALL THOSE AFFECTED, YOUR CITIZENS, ASK THAT THE CITY ENGINEER, AND YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS, INVESTIGATE THIS PLAN PROJECT AND ADJUST THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE MITIGATION OF THE SHORT AND LONG TERM IMPACTS ON THE AFFECTED HOMEOWNER.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A CITY PROJECT WHICH REMOVES NORMAL INSPECTION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S ON YOUR PLATE. IT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LISTEN TO US AND FIX IT, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
I AM A RESIDENT. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
>> I'M TALL, I HAVE TO ADJUST THE MIC.
I AM A RESIDENT ON 10TH STREET, AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.
I SPENT TIME OUT IN DENVER, COLORADO, TIME IN SOUTH JAX BEACH, AND TIME INLAND OFF SOUTHSIDE BOULEVARD AND DEER CREEK COUNTRY CLUB.
I'VE LIVED IN MANY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH IS SPECIAL.
IT'S IMPORTANT. WE'VE HEARD FROM SO MANY PASSIONATE PEOPLE.
I LIKE TO THINK THAT WE'RE UNITED IN OUR PASSION.
WHILE WE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, THIS ROOM IS FULL BECAUSE WE CARE.
THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT MAKES ATLANTIC BEACH SO SPECIAL.
IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, I'M A BEHAVIORAL PSYCHOLOGIST.
I'M ALSO ON A NONPROFIT BOARD THAT IS KEEPING ITS AIM AMONGST MANY THINGS, IS TO KEEP CHILDREN IN NATURE.
I COULD ECHO WHAT COLSON SAID, MR. PETER COLSON, EMILY AS WELL, WHAT SHE SHARED EARLIER.
I ACTUALLY MET EMILY AS A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH ON A PARK BENCH AT ASHBY PARK.
I THINK MOST OF US HAVE BEEN THERE WITH CHILDREN STRAPPED TO YOU, YOU'RE UNSURE WHERE TO GO.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN AN ADULT ALL DAY.
I JUST LOVE HEARING THAT THIS WAS A PLACE THAT WAS WHERE ROADS MET.
THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF ATLANTIC BEACH, IS MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING.
I THINK THAT WE'VE ALL DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB TO PROTECT OUR PARKS.
NOW IT'S JUST TIME THAT WE GET CREATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMING FROM A PLACE OF ABUNDANCE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF NATURE AND NATURAL SPACES, THANKS TO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND THOSE BEFORE YOU.
THERE'S NUANCES AND THERE'S THE POWER OF HAND.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS AROUND SHOULD KIDS BE IN PARKS OR SHOULD PASSERBYERS BE ABLE TO STOP BY PARKS.
WE'RE TOO SMART TO BE SUMMING UP AGAINST WINNERS AND LOSERS OR VOTE YES, VOTE NO.
TO ME, EVEN IF THERE ARE FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TAKING PLACE IN PARKS, WE ARE THE ONES PROFITING THE MOST IF WE HAVE CRACKED THE CODE TO HAVE COMMUNITY AMBASSADORS THAT ARE BRINGING THEIR TALENTS AND THEIR SKILLS TO OUR COMMUNITY TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN IN NATURE.
THESE LITTLE ONES THAT ARE IN NATURE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE OUR DUNE PROTECTORS.
THERE ARE TRASH PICKER UPPERS.
YOU HAVE TO TEACH CHILDREN TO LOVE NATURE BEFORE YOU CAN ASK THEM TO PROTECT IT.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM IN 15, 20 YEARS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CHILDREN IN PARKS TODAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT OUR BIGGEST LIABILITY IS NOT A CHILD FALLING OFF A TIRE SWING, BUT IT IS TAKING DOWN COMMUNITY-CREATED DESTINATIONS FOR OUR CHILDREN TO TAKE RISKS APPROPRIATELY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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>> THANK YOU FOR THE COURTESY OF YOUR TIME.
SUZANNE SHAUGHNESSY, 168 OCEANWALK DRIVE, ATLANTIC BEACH.
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU ALL IN A WHILE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, FRANKLY, EVERYTHING WAS ROLLING RIGHT ALONG.
THIS ITEM 9B, I IMAGINE EMANATED OUT OF THE ASHBY PARK ISSUE OF A OUTDOOR KIDS PRESCHOOL BEING OPERATED IN THE PARK.
ATLANTIC BEACH HAS BEEN KNOWN SINCE ITS INCEPTION FOR BEING UNIQUE, HAVING UNIQUE THINGS.
>> WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE SAY, YES, BUT WE HAVE TO RUN EVERYTHING LIKE A BUSINESS.
I LOVE THE PERSON WHO SAID TO ME WHEN I WAS MAYOR.
YES. BUT IF YOU RAN IT LIKE A BUSINESS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE FIRST PARK BECAUSE PARKS DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR YOU.
THERE ARE A TON OF THINGS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IF YOU RAN GOVERNMENT STRICTLY LIKE A BUSINESS.
I WAS THINKING EARLIER IS THERE ANY ONE OF YOU WHO WOULDN'T HAVE LOVED SUCH A PROGRAM WHEN YOU WERE THAT YOUNG? I KNOW I WOULD HAVE.
IF WE HAD TO GO OUT AND HIRE SOMEONE TO DO IT, THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
BUT HERE WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S DOING IT.
NEIGHBORS ARE DONATING EQUIPMENT, ETC.
THAT IS THE DNA OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS THE DNA OF ATLANTIC BEACH, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ATLANTIC BEACH IN YOUR DNA.
I'M NOT TRYING TO ASSAULT ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT I AM TRYING TO MAKE A STRONG POINT ABOUT THAT.
MY SECOND ITEM AND THEN I'M DONE IS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT THAT WAS CREATED.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.
I'D LIKE TO NOT ONLY HEAR MORE ABOUT IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING ABOUT IT.
I KEEP HEARING THERE'S THIS VISION, NEW VISION, AND I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VISION IS.
I'VE HEARD THAT IT WAS MODELED AFTER MAYOR JOHN DELANEY'S NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.
MAYOR JOHN DELANEY HAD 648 SQUARE MILES AND ONLY NEIGHBORHOODS.
HE HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS CALLED NEIGHBORHOODS.
HE DIDN'T REALLY HE ONLY HAD FIVE TOWNS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION. BYE BYE.
ONE STACK IS CLEAR THAT HE JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND I'LL READ THOSE OFF.
BUT SOME ARE EVEN COMPLETELY NOT JUST BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
CHRISTINA KALCORS, OR YOU JUST WANT ME TO READ YOUR COMMENTS? [INAUDIBLE] I'LL PUT THAT IN THE STACK.
IT APPEARS SHE WANTS TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEN IT SAYS SHE DOESN'T WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT IF YOU'RE HERE? [INAUDIBLE]
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO SERVING OUR CITY.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO TAKE THE TIME TO ESPECIALLY THANK MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND MR. HOGAN CAMP, FOR ALL OF THE TIME THAT YOU GAVE US THIS AFTERNOON.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU NOT ONLY SAYING THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO CITIZEN INPUT BUT YOU DEMONSTRATING TO US THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO, FOR THAT WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL.
WE APPRECIATE MR. KILLINGSWORTH, YOU TONIGHT SUGGESTING SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR SPECIFIC TO ORDINANCE 125.
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IN THE SPIRIT OF OUR ONGOING DIALOGUE, WE ARE HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND SPEND TIME UNDERSTANDING THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO ORDINANCE 125 AND FEEL THAT A VOTE TONIGHT WOULD BE TOO RUSHED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE LANGUAGE, CORRECT, WE GET THE INTENT AND THE SPIRIT OF ORDINANCE 125, CORRECT.I THINK WHILE WE HAVE THE TIME, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE TAKE THE TIME SO THAT WE DON'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR CHILDREN, THE OTHER CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO LOVE AND USE OUR PARKS, AND THAT WE MAYBE LISTEN TO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF, BUT THAT WE'RE PROPOSED TONIGHT, WHETHER IT BE LOOKING AT USAGE OF OUR PARKS, LIKE OUR LOCAL PARKS AND NOT NATIONAL DATA THAT WE CONSIDER UNCOUPLING THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE AT RUSSELL PARK FROM OUR PASSIVE PARKS, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
ANYWAY, I WON'T TAKE UP MORE TIME, BUT I WILL THANK YOU AGAIN, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TO PAUSE THE PROCESS WITH ORDINANCE 125 AND 124. THANK YOU.
>> THE REST APPEAR TO WANT TO JUST GO ON RECORD.
>> CHRISTINA KALCORS OPPOSES 124, SO VOTE NO.
STEPHEN [INAUDIBLE] OPPOSED TO 9A 124 AND 9B 125.
LINDSAY YOUNG OPPOSES 124 AND 125.
LESLIE KELSO, OPPOSE 124 AND 125.
NANCY WHITE, OPPOSES 124 AND 125, MEREDITH POROSKO OPPOSES ORDINANCE 124, ORDINANCE 125.
KATHERINE PARKER, SUPPORTS ORDINANCE 9525-124 AND ORDINANCE 9525-125.
JILL [INAUDIBLE], OPPOSES 124 125.
MATT SERGOL, OPPOSES ORDINANCE 124, WHITNEY ATLEY MAYBE.
STEVEN [INAUDIBLE] I APOLOGIZE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR FORM EXCEPT FOR THEY OPPOSE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO NOT SAY THEIR NAME.
THE REST THAT I HAVE, MAYOR IS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER.
>> THANK YOU. PERFECT. IT'S BREAK TIME.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND RECONVENE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, LEAVE, GO ON BREAK WITH US.
WHATEVER WORKS. THIS MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION DATED APRIL 14, 2025, WILL RECONVENE AT THIS TIME, AND WE'LL MOVE DIRECTLY TO ITEM 3 ON THE AGENDA,
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CITY MANAGER REPORTS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COMMISSION.
>> OH, SORRY. I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU A REPORT FOR YOU.
>> BEFORE YOU IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
ON IT YOU WILL SEE NOT JUST THE ITEMS ON THE COMING 90 DAYS, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR WEEKENDS WE'RE HITTING THAT SEASON WHERE OUR WEEKENDS ARE FULL, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
BUT YOU ALSO SEE ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR THAT WE HAVE THE NEXT TWO TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
THEN THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS ARE LISTED JUST SO THAT THEY'RE THERE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE DATES WORK FOR EVERYBODY, AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'LL BE RUNNING WITH.
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WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.>> JUST ONE ADDITION. THE OPENING OF THE BEACHES AREN'T LISTED.
>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR WITH THAT CORRECTION?
>> WE'RE ON THE NEXT ONE I THINK.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN DRIVE OR DO I NEED TO?
LET ME JUST HIT IT [INAUDIBLE] HERE WE GO
>> THANK YOU, DONNA. OUR LAST MEETING, YOU ASKED ME TO DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON 20 STREET LIFT STATION.
I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE NOISE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE NOISE, BUT WE BELIEVE IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I AM GOING TO PROPOSE AND YOU'LL SEE THEM.
I'M GOING TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS ESSENTIALLY, LET ME GO AHEAD AND STARTED HERE.
>> HOLD ON A MINUTE. IT'S HIT IN THE WRONG SCREEN SO IT'S NOT PICKING UP.
>> WELL, NOT REALLY, BUT I CAN.
YOU JUST TELL ME WHEN TO ADVANCE.
>> GO AHEAD AND CLICK THE BUTTON.
NOISE STANDARDS, ONE OF THE NOISE STANDARDS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS THE HUD NOISE STANDARDS.
THOSE NOISE STANDARDS ARE BASICALLY THE 65 DECIBEL DNL THEN I'LL GET TO THE DNL.
THAT'S EXTERIOR NOISE STANDARDS.
INTERIOR STANDARD IS 45 DECIBELS.
THOSE STANDARDS ARE NOT IMPOSED ON THE NOISE SOURCE.
WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE FOR IS IF HUD IS FINANCING A CONSTRUCTION, THAT THE HOUSE HAS TO ATTENUATE NOISES, SO THAT INTERIOR TO THE HOUSE IS 45 DECIBELS OR BELOW.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DAY NIGHT AVERAGE SOUND LEVEL, WHICH IS DNL, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IT OFTEN ABBREVIATED IS THE 24 HOUR AVERAGE.
THEY ADDED 10 DECIBELS ADDITIONAL TO THAT AVERAGE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AND 7:00 AM.
IF BETWEEN 10:00 AND 7:00 AM IT'S GENERATING 60 DECIBELS ON AVERAGE, THEY ADD 10 TO IT AND IT'S 70 DECIBELS.
FLORIDA LEAVES NOISE REGULATIONS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, BUT IT EXEMPTS EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND SPECIAL EVENTS.
I BELIEVE THE DUVAL COUNTY ONE SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTS WHAT THEY CALL EMERGENCY WORK, WHICH IS WORK THAT'S EITHER DONE TO CORRECT AN EMERGENCY OR TO PREVENT ONE, WHICH I WOULD ARGUE THAT A GENERATOR FALLS INTO.
ATLANTIC BEACH HAS NO OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
THERE IS NO DECIBEL MEASURES WITHIN THE ATLANTIC BEACH NOISE CODE.
THEY DO HAVE THE ONE LINE THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED TO REGULATE THE USUAL AND CUSTOMARY NOISE INCIDENTAL TO URBAN LIFE.
YOU'LL SEE THAT USUAL AND CUSTOMARY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT I'VE ASKED STAFF TO GO WITH.
IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CLICK THAT.
THE REASON WHY USUAL AND CUSTOMARY IS IMPORTANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMON DECIBEL LEVELS OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ITEMS, YOU'LL SEE THAT AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IS 50-75 DECIBELS.
CONVERSATIONAL SPEECH IS 60, DISHWASHER IS 50-70, FOOD PROCESSOR IS 80-90, HAIR DRYER IS 60-95, TOILET FLUSHING IS 75-85.
LAWN MOWER IS 65-95, THE LEAF BLOWER IS 90-100, THE WEED EATER IS 80-100.
THIS GENERATOR IS SPECIFIED AT 75 DECIBELS AT 23 FEET OF A CLEAR SPACE, SEVEN METERS TECHNICALLY.
IT IS LOCATED BEHIND A SCREENED WOOD FENCE COMPOUND.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 37 FEET FROM THE PRIVACY FENCE.
THEN THE A TYPICAL HOME THAT HAS NOT BEEN TREATED FOR NOISE REDUCTION OR NOT
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BEEN ACOUSTICALLY TREATED, THIS SAYS 27-30.I CAN'T THINK OF ODD NUMBERS LIKE THAT I SAY 25-30 DECIBELS.
WHICH MEANS EVEN WITHOUT THE TWO FENCES, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30 DECIBEL NOISE REDUCTION, YOU WOULD HIT THE 45 DECIBEL LEVEL THAT HUD ASKED FOR FOR THEIR PROPERTIES.
LET'S GO AHEAD. I GUESS BEFORE I GET IN ON THE SCREENING, EPA HAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE NEVER CODIFIED.
IN '81, PRESIDENT REAGAN DEFUNDED THE OFFICE THAT DOES NOISE REGULATIONS, AND THEY PUSHED THE REQUIREMENTS DOWN TO THE STATES.
FLORIDA PUSHED THE REQUIREMENTS DOWN TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
OSHA DOES HAVE SOME STANDARDS, BUT THE STANDARDS RELATE DIRECTLY TO HEARING LOSS AND THE STANDARDS REALLY AREN'T APPLICABLE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EITHER 80 OR 85 DECIBELS OR 16 HOURS CONTINUOUS.
GO BACK. WHERE DID YOU GO? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS NOISE MORE WE CAN.
BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE COMMISSION IS THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE ARE FOUR TYPICAL LIFT STATIONS SO THAT THE AUDIENCE UNDERSTANDS HOW A LIFT STATION COMES TO BE, TYPICALLY THE CITY DOES NOT BUILD LIFT STATIONS.
A DEVELOPER DESIGNS SUBDIVISION.
>> THEN ONCE THAT SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED IN TERMS OF THE CIVIL ENGINEERING, THEY COME IN.
THEY DO THEIR SURVEYING, THEY LAY IN THE WATER AND SEWER.
THE SEWER FROM EACH HOUSE IS GRAVITY-FED TO THE LIFT STATION, WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS THAT THE LIFT STATION IS OFTEN IN THE LOWEST PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET WHAT COMES FROM THAT PIPE TO THE LIFT STATION.
WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK IT'S A PERIOD OF TIME, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A FUNCTION OF MARKET.
THE OLDER IT IS, THE LESS LIKELY IT IS TO HAVE WHAT I WOULD CALL AESTHETICALLY PLEASING SCREENING, AND CONVERSELY, THE MORE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGNED AS A HIGHER-END PRODUCT, THE MORE LIKELY IT WAS TO HAVE A HIGH-END SCREENING TO IT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER, IN PROVIDING THAT LIFT STATION NEEDED THE LIFT STATION TO APPEAL TO THE MARKET SEGMENT IN WHICH HE WAS SELLING HOMES TO.
BUT THESE ARE PROTOTYPICAL OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE OUT THERE ON CAMELLIA STREET.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE GENERATOR THAT WOULD BE ON 20TH STREET.
THE ONLY SCREENING AND I DON'T THINK IT TECHNICALLY COUNTS AS SCREENING IS A CHAIN-LINK FENCE.
YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE AT THE GENERATOR THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE, AND THERE'S A HOUSE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS LIFT STATION.
THE NEXT ONE IS ON MONTREAL STREET.
THIS LIFT STATION IS ALSO A CHAIN-LINK FENCE, BUT IT HAS SOME GREEN WEAVE IN IT TO INCREASE THE OPACITY.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OPAQUE.
IF YOU LOOK AT 20TH STREET THERE, IT'S A STEP UP FROM THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE WITH SCREENING.
IT'S A WOOD FENCE BOARD ON BOARD.
THEN AT FAIRWAY VILLAS, YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF OUR NICER LIFT STATIONS WITH SCREENING, WHICH IS A HIGHER-END FULLY OPAQUE VINYL FENCE.
WE HAVE 28 LIFT STATIONS, TROY?
>> THIRTY-THREE LIFT STATIONS.
THIS IS THE SPAN AT WHICH OUR LIFT STATIONS FROM, WHAT I WOULD SAY HIGHEST QUALITY SCREEN OR MAYBE LEAST QUALITY SCREEN TO HIGHEST QUALITY SCREEN.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF IS, WE'VE ACCEPTED THESE LIFT STATIONS OVER TIME, BUT THERE ARE LIFT STATION THEN.
NOW THAT THERE ARE LIFT STATIONS, DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO ESTABLISH A MINIMUM STANDARD FOR SCREENING FOR LIFT STATION? IF THEY DO, WHAT IS THAT STANDARD? I'M NOT EXPECTING AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE NEXT QUESTION, IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, DONNA, IS PROCESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HEAR IS THAT THERE'S A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
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WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHEN STAFF GETS AN EMAIL OR A PHONE CALL, THEY DO RESPOND.I STARTED HAVING THEM COPY ME ON THOSE RESPONSES SO THAT I COULD DOCUMENT THAT THEY RESPOND.
CURRENTLY, WE DO WORKSHOPS FOR MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CIP.
JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE DID ONE ON AHERN, WHICH IS A COMPLETE REBUILD OF AHERN STREET AND MULTI-USE PATH.
WE DID A WORKSHOP ON THE HOW PARK DREDGE, WHICH IS A MAJOR CIT PROJECT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN PRIOR TO ME STARTING AND IT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE HAD AN INCIDENT RIGHT AFTER I STARTED, AND I GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, IS WHEN PUBLIC WORKS OR UTILITIES WAS DOING WORK IN THE RIGHT AWAY, THEY WOULD GO DO WHATEVER WORK THEY NEEDED TO DO IN THE RIGHT AWAY.
THEN MY FIRST MONTH OR SO, I GOT LOTS OF PHONE CALLS BECAUSE OF WORK THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THE RIGHT AWAY.
I INSTRUCTED STAFF THAT WHENEVER WE'RE DOING WORK IN THE RIGHT AWAY, I WANTED THEM TO HANG UP.
NOW, WE HANG AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING WORK IN THE RIGHT AWAY.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS PEOPLE MOW THAT FRONT 20 FEET OF THEIR YARD, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT'S THEIR YARD.
WHEN SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND THEY'RE CUTTING LIMBS OFF OF THEIR TREE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT NONE OF THAT'S THEIR TREE OR IF THEY'RE EXCAVATING SOMETHING, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S CITY PROPERTY.
THEY DO MOW IT, BUT IT'S CITY PROPERTY.
I'VE ASKED THEM TO PUT 48-HOUR HANGERS SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IN ADVANCE.
DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL BE HAPPY WITH THE WORK, BUT THEY'LL KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE ALSO DO THIS WHEN WE DO ROAD PAVING, SO WE STARTED DOING THIS PRINCIPALLY TO ALLOW RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CARS ON THE STREET TO LET THEM KNOW THEY NEED TO GET THEIR CARS OFF THE STREET SO THAT WHEN WE DO REPAVE THAT ROAD, THEIR CARS AREN'T A HINDRANCE.
WHAT WE DON'T DO TYPICALLY IS NOTICE OR CONDUCT WORKSHOPS FOR WORK ON CITY PROPERTY THAT'S CONSIDERED USUAL AND CUSTOMARY.
BECAUSE THIS GENERATOR IS IN THE SAME RANGE, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY AS OTHER NOISE GENERATORS, STAFF CONSIDER THAT USUAL AND CUSTOMARY.
THAT MAY NOT BE THE STANDARD THE COMMISSION WANTS.
I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT STANDARD THAT WE HOLD WORKSHOPS FOR.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS, YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR ANYTHING WE DO, WHICH I THINK MIGHT BE OVERLY BURDENSOME AND NOT PARTICULARLY NECESSARY TO SETTING A THRESHOLD SOMEWHERE.
RECOGNIZING THAT WHEREVER WE SET A THRESHOLD, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE SOMETHING THAT FALLS JUST UNDER THAT THRESHOLD THAT WON'T BE CAUGHT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THEY DIDN'T GET NOTICE.
THAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I POSE TO THE COMMISSION IS, WHAT PROCESS DO YOU WANT? A SIMPLE ADDITION COULD BE CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING MAJOR PROJECTS.
IT COULD BE ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CIP.
I BELIEVE STEVE THAT THE GENERATORS ARE IN THE CIP, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE CIP, AND THAT MAY BE A PLACE TO START.
AGAIN, I'M NOT EXPECTING ANSWERS TONIGHT, BUT THESE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT COME UP OUTSIDE OF THE TECHNICAL QUESTION ABOUT THE NOISE.
THIS ROAD IDEA KEEPS COMING UP.
UNLESS THE COMMISSION MOVES IT, THE ROAD IS DEAD.
YES, YOU WILL SEE PLANS ON THE WEBSITE.
THOSE PLANS ARE THE FINISHED CONSTRUCTION PLANS BECAUSE THOSE PLANS WERE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND WE DID THE DESIGN FOR THE ROAD IN THE BULKHEADS, AND WHEN THE DESIGN WAS COMPLETE, WE CAME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION, AND THE COMMISSION REJECTED THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
YES, YOU WILL FIND THOSE PLANS ON OUR WEBSITE, BUT THE PROJECT IS DEAD.
THE ONLY NEXT POTENTIAL PROJECT WOULD BE SUBMERGING THE PUMPS, BUT THAT'S NOT FUNDED RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S NOT IN THE NEAR-TERM HORIZON, WHICH IS FIVE PLUS YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? [NOISE] EVEN IF WE SUBMERGE THE PUMPS, THE PUMPS ARE ELECTRIC, AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR ON-SITE AND FUEL TO SUPPLY THE SITES.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER.
>> HOW OFTEN WILL THAT GENERATOR RUN?
>> IN A NON-EMERGENCY SITUATION, IT RUNS ONCE A WEEK FOR 30 MINUTES.
I THINK IT'S ALL OF OUR GENERATORS ARE TIME FOR TUESDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK.
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>> WHICH IS THE SAME, AND BY THE WAY, AS THE GENERATOR THAT'S RIGHT OVER HERE AND THE GENERATOR TO THE POLICE STATION.
THIS ONE, I THINK IS TWICE AS BIG AS THE GENERATOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON 20TH STREET, AND THIS ONE IS EVEN BIGGER.
BOTH OF THEM, THERE ARE RESIDENTS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET BUILDING.
>> THIS POWERPOINT, THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, AND I THINK THAN WHOEVER ASKED FOR IT TO BE PUT ON HERE, TO HELP WITH THE COMMUNICATION, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW, TROY IF YOU WERE HERE, AND THAT'S OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR HERE DURING THE LIFT STATION QUESTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED WITH THIS PRESENTATION ALONE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE BACK AT IS THE PROCESS.
WE'RE HERE NOW, WE HAVE THIS PRESENTATION.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'LL PARK AND HOW THE DREDGING IS GOING WITH THAT ONE, OR EVEN AHERN STREET, IT CAME WITH MULTIPLE READ THROUGHS AT THE CITY COMMISSION ALONG WITH PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AND PRESENTATION BY OUR CITY MANAGER.
IF THIS LAST CITY COMMISSION MEETING WASN'T EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT OUR PUBLIC KNOWS AND WANTS TO KNOW EVERY ASPECT THAT WE DO HERE AT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THEN THAT SHOULD RING TRUE.
I APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION.
I WISH IT HAD COME A LITTLE BIT SOONER, ALONG WITH PUBLIC INPUT.
LOOKING AT THE SCALE AND THE CIP, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT DECIDING IF WE WANT PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, IF WE WANT NOTIFICATIONS? AS CITY MANAGER JUST SHARED THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO PUT INTO EFFECT THE 48-HOUR DOOR HANGER.
BEFORE THEN, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, SO WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
ALSO, IF IT'S NOT WITH THE CIP, IS IT GOING TO BE WITH THE COST? I'M TALKING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS THAT WHAT PUTS IT INTO PUBLIC INPUT? I THINK OVERALL, WE ALWAYS NEED TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC.
WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T OVERDO THIS AND START HAVING PUBLIC MEETINGS ON EVERYTHING THE CITY DOES.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF CIP AS A DRIVER ON THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW BY THE NEXT MEETING IS WHAT DOES NEPTUNE BEACH DO? WHAT DOES JACKSONVILLE BEACH DO? WHAT DOES CITY OF JACKSONVILLE OR ANY OTHER SIMILAR CITY LIKE FERNANDINA BEACH OR ST. AUGUSTINE? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT AT LEAST A FEW OF THEM DO BECAUSE THEY MIGHT SAY, WE USE OUR CIP PROJECT LIST.
BUT THERE'S TWO ISSUES TONIGHT.
ONE IS IDENTIFYING OR STARTING THE DIALOGUE ON PROCESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINED PROCESS.
WE DON'T HAVE A CITY CHECK LIST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING PERMITS FOR THE CITY WORK.
THAT'S ONE THING. THEN THE OTHER THING IS WHAT DO [OVERLAPPING]. YES.
>> TYPICALLY ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WE MAY NOT REQUIRE THE CONTRACTOR TO FULL PERMITS, BUT THE INSPECTION STAFF STILL DOES THE INSPECTION.
LIKE ON THIS GENERATOR, THERE WILL BE AN ELECTRICAL INSPECTION.
THE ENGINEER GOES OUT AND DOES A SLAB INSPECTION.
BUT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR A PERMIT.
WE'RE NOT PROCESSING A PERMIT.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I CAN HOLD OFF ON MY FINAL OPINION ON PERMIT ISSUE, BUT HERE'S WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND FROM THIS EXAMPLE, IS THE CITIZENS IN CASES THAT IMPACT THEM WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BUT I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE.
WE'RE UP HERE APPROVING AND I'M SIGNING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY THINGS THAT MAYBE I SHOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT.
IT'S THE OLD ISSUE OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
IF THERE'S NO CHECKLIST OF THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSED WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IN A GENERATOR THAT MAKES NOISE AND POLLUTION AND VISUAL BLIGHT, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M NOT ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS CHECKLIST.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT WHAT I REALLY WANT TO TAKE AWAY TODAY IS AT LEAST SOME DECISION OR RELIEF FOR THE SIMONS TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD, EVEN IF WE PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE TO THE BEST OF THE FOUR EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE TODAY,
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IS THE GENERATOR ABOVE THAT PRIVACY FENCE? MEANING WE HAVE TO HAVE YET ANOTHER PRIVACY SURROUND WHATEVER IF WE WANT TO AVOID VISUAL BLIGHT.THEN SECONDLY IS, IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL RISK ON THE FUMES, THE EXHAUST FROM THE GENERATOR? I COULD SAY, I DOUBT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROCESS CHECKLIST WITH ANYTHING TO GO ON.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS, CAN WE ADDRESS AND AT LEAST TRY TO FIND RELIEF THAT SATISFIES THE IMMEDIACY OF THE CITIZENS, AND THEN ALSO LATER GO BACK TO WHAT DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH AS THE STANDARDS? I'M OPEN WITH THIS COMMISSION AND I HOPE YOU'LL VOICE YOUR OPINION TONIGHT OR DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M OPEN TO BUDGETING TO STANDARDIZE THE ENCLOSURES OF THESE.
I RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T CREATE THEM.
WE JUST TOOK THEM ON AS ADOPTION WHEN WE ACCEPTED THE PROJECT.
BUT I THINK ALL CITIZENS DESERVE TO HAVE A SIMILAR TREATMENT OF THE VISUAL BLIGHT AND THE CONCERN ABOUT NOISE ATTENUATION AND SO ON.
THAT'S JUST MY POINT. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> ONE THING. I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET THE CIP BEFORE THE BUDGET SEASON, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING UP, FUNDED AND UNFUNDED, BECAUSE I THINK, ONCE WE SET A PRECEDENT, THAT WILL AFFECT ALL THE PROJECTS. AM I WRONG?
>> WELL, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS THE EXISTING CIP.
BECAUSE CIP WILL BE UPDATED THROUGH THE BUDGET PROGRAM.
>> IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CIP OR WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COSTS OF THE PROJECT, ULTIMATELY, THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT THAT WOULD SET THE PROCESS IN PLACE.
IF THAT'S IT, THEN PERHAPS WE LOOK AT HOW MANY HOMES ARE AFFECTED OR SERVED BY SET GENERATOR.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE START WITH OUR PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, AND NOTIFICATION IN THAT PROCESS.
WITH THAT MIND, HOW MANY HOMES ARE GOING TO BE SERVICED BY THIS GENERATOR?
>> IS THE QUESTION, HOW MANY ARE ADJACENT TO IT OR HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE SERVICED BY?
>> WELL, I THINK SERVICED AND ADJACENT BECAUSE IF IT'S SERVING THE PEOPLE, WOULDN'T THEY HAVE A SAY TO?
>> STEVE, DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE ON THIS LIFT STATION?
>> STEVE SWANN, CITY ENGINEER.
THIS PARTICULAR LIFT STATION IS NORTH OF 80 HOMES.
I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT'S 80-PLUS.
>> THEN, STEVE, WHEN WAS THAT FENCE PUT UP? DO YOU KNOW? MAYBE 20 YEARS?
>> BECAUSE THAT FAIRWAY VILLA IS JACKSONVILLE'S PROPERTY.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER DECIDED TO PUT IN.
>> THAT'S THE NEW SUBDIVISION RIGHT BEHIND THE OLD TERRY'S COUNTRY STORE?
>> ACROSS THE STREET, FAIRWAY VILLAGE.
>> FAIRWAY VILLAGES ACROSS THE STREET.
>> THE LIFT STATION IS BEHIND [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE LIFT STATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD.
>> JUST SO THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND WE SERVICE AREAS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, BUT IN ALL CASES, THE LIFT STATIONS WERE GIVEN TO US BY A DEVELOPER.
I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDEWAYS TONIGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO START SPENDING ATLANTIC BEACH TAXPAYER MONEY ON BEAUTIFICATION OF LIFT STATIONS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY.
MIGHT BE IN OUR SERVICE AREA, BUT NOT OUR CITY. BUT ANYWAYS.
THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO BRING BACK AND HAVE A MORE ROBUST DIALOGUE, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE VALID.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS THE GENERATOR ABOVE THE FENCE THAT SURROUNDS IT OR WILL SURROUND IT? IF SO, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
>> I'LL LET STEVE ANSWER, BUT MY SUSPICION BEFORE YOU ANSWER, IS IT ABOVE THE FENCE BELOW THE ROOF LINE?
>> ABOVE THE FENCE, BELOW THE ROOF LINE. PRETTY CLOSE, YES.
>> WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH, ARE THERE OPTIONS WE CAN LOOK AT TO ACTUALLY CONCEAL IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE GENERATOR?
>> THE ENCLOSURE CAN BE PAINTED A DIFFERENT COLOR.
IT'S PRETTY NEUTRAL TAN COLOR ON THE ENCLOSURE, BUT IT CAN BE PAINTED A DIFFERENT COLOR.
>> IS THE ENCLOSURE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE CABINET OF THE GENERATOR?
>> I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY MEETS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, MEANING, DO WE REALLY WANT TO NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S A GENERATOR THERE OTHER THAN WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY RUNNING?
>> I'D LIKE TO, BUT THE PROBLEM, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS ABOVE THE PROJECTED 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN,
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WHICH IS WHY [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE SEWER SERVICE AFTER HURRICANES, SO WE CAN GET BACK TO NORMAL.>> IS THERE ANY ACOUSTIC DAMPENING SCREENING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT? EVEN IF THAT MEANS BUILDING A FENCE, PUTTING POLES IN, AND HAVING THAT SCREENING START AT A LEVEL ABOVE THE GROUND BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE ONE ALREADY THERE, BUT INSIDE OF THAT, POSSIBLY, TO COVER AND HELP DAMPEN THE SOUND COMING FROM THAT GENERATOR.
>> IT'S A 75-DECIBEL RATED ENCLOSURE, WHICH, AS BILL DISCUSSED, IT'S FAIRLY QUIET.
IT'S NOT LIKE A GENERATOR THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR WOULD HAVE, IT'S A LOT QUIETER THAN THAT.
WE CAN TALK TO RING POWER AND SEE IF THAT CAN BE RETROFITTED SOMEHOW TO MAYBE BRING IT DOWN TO 65 DECIBELS.
REMEMBER THAT'S A LOG SCALE, SO 65 IS FACTOR ORDER MAGNITUDE MOVEMENT.
>> MAYBE IT HELPS, AND YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IS IT ACTUALLY NOT APPROPRIATE TO PUT ANY OTHER CABINETRY AROUND THAT CABINET, MEANING IT SHOULD BE EXPOSED? I KNOW THERE'S RULES ABOUT HOW CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AND SO ON.
>> NO, YOU COULD, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT CITY HALL, YOU'LL SEE HOW THE GENERATOR STICKS OUT ABOVE THE TOP OF THE FENCE, AND SAME WITH THE POLICE STATION AT THE GENERATOR THERE.
WE COULD BUILD A TALLER FENCE.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO THINGS, I GUESS.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE AIRFLOW AROUND THE GENERATOR, THOUGH.
>> YOU JUST BUILD THE FENCE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE BOX.
DO WE HAVE ANY CODE THAT WE ADHERE TO ON OUR FENCE HEIGHT? [LAUGHTER].
>> WE'RE ADHERING TO THAT, BUT THAT GENERATOR IS ABOVE SIX FEET?
>> IT IS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'LL BE ABOVE THE FENCE.
>> BUT IF WE WANTED TO RUN A FENCE HIGHER.
>> I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE.
>> I THINK SO. BUT THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPTION.
THAT'S A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE OPTION, AT LEAST FOR THE VISION.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DEAL WITH THE SOUND ATTENUATION.
A QUICKER PATH MIGHT BE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION TO ALLOW FOR THE SCREENING OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, TO ALLOW THE FENCE TO BE HIGHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GO GET A VARIANCE FOR 33 [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK WE WERE TEASING THERE, I HOPE.
[OVERLAPPING]. I THINK I'M OKAY IF YOU AND YOUR STAFF WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE TO DO JUST THAT, I THINK PROBABLY IT WOULD RECEIVE GOOD ACCORD.
THAT'S ONE THING IS THE VISUAL.
THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE SOUND, AND THE THIRD ONE IS THE EMISSION OF GASES.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THESE CITIZENS, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE SIMONS AT THIS PIT POINT, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS NOW UNDERSTAND AND SO ON.
BUT I KNOW THE TENDENCY IS TO WANT TO SAY, WE'LL PUT IT IN, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT IF IT DOESN'T MEET EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS.
I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BEFORE WE PUT IT IN.
IF THERE'S ONE LITTLE THING AFTERWARDS AND WE HAVE TO BUTTON IT UP, SO BE IT, BUT NOT TWO OR THREE THINGS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT THREE THINGS.
WE'VE GOT SOUND, VISUAL BLIGHT, AND GASES.
DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL REMEDIES, WHETHER WE ENACT THEM OR NOT, BUT TO BRING THEM BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR DISCUSSION?
>> JUST OPTIONS. I'M OKAY IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY TO PRODUCING AN ORDINANCE TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE CITY TO EXCEED THE SIX-FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S CITY PROPERTY OR CITY EASEMENT FOR UTILITIES, AND SO ON.
MAKES SENSE. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE ADDRESSING OF THE PROCESS SO WE'RE NOT HERE AGAIN?
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S IMPORTANT ON THE TAKEAWAY.
IF WE DECIDE THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC INPUT WOULD HAVE SOME DETAIL SHEET ON THE PROJECT.
>> SEE IF WE CAN COME BACK UP.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE THRESHOLDS ARE TO END UP IN THE CIP?
>> GENERALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT LASTS MORE THAN A YEAR AND COSTS MORE THAN $5,000.
THAT'S GENERALLY THE DEFINITION THAT FINANCE DIRECTOR LIKES TO USE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING FROM A PARK BENCH.
IF WE WENT TO THAT MODEL AND WE SAID ANYTHING IN THE CIP,
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JUST WHAT'S YOUR GUT FEELING ON HOW MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO CONDUCT IF WE ONLY DID ONE PER CIP PROJECT IN A YEAR?>> WE'D BE DOING SEVERAL A WEEK.
>> I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK WHAT'S PROBABLY MORE RATIONAL IS THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE A NOTICE.
WE MAY NEED TO BREAK THIS GROWN ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, EITHER DOLLAR.
I THINK, COMMISSIONER RING, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
IT MAY BE A DENOMINATED THING.
BUT ANY PROJECT IN THE CIP WOULD AT LEAST REQUIRE THAT WE NOTICE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, I WOULD HOPE.
IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS YOUR DOOR TAG.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA OF, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW MY BACKGROUND, TREATING IT LIKE A ZONING APPLICATION SO THAT WE NOTICE THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE DO A WHOLE NEW WORKSHOP BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION MULTIPLE TIMES.
THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, GETTING IT ON THE CIP, CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THE DESIGN CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND THEN WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT IF WE NOTICED THE ADJACENT OWNERS TO THOSE HEARINGS?
>> THAT WOULD AT LEAST BE A START.
I THINK SOMEWHERE THERE IS A NUMBER OR A SIZE THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
I GO BACK TO MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE WHEN WE REMOVED THE WATER TOWER IN [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU'RE LIKE, YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THERE WERE CELL ANTENNAS ALL AROUND THAT TOWER, BUT THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T KNOW.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S A CELL TOWER REPLACING THE WATER TOWER.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED THAT TO HAVE BEEN A ROBUST COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, AND THAT ONE WOULD BE ONE THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE UNLOCKED ANY OPPORTUNITIES. COMMISSIONER.
>> THE NOTICES WILL COST MONEY.
>> BUT THAT'S WHERE I ASKED THE QUESTION.
>> [OVERLAPPING]. EXCEPT IT WOULD JUST BE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE WOULDN'T DO LIKE 350 FEET AND NOTICE 500 PEOPLE.
IT WOULD BE FROM JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE ALL BOUGHT THEM, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
>> WELL, WE COULD DO WHATEVER WE WANT HERE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CERTIFIED BY THE STATES.
BUT YOU COULD DO A SIGN NOTICE FOR THE HEARINGS AT THE SITE.
THIS SITE'S CHALLENGED BECAUSE IT'S AN EIGHTH OF A MILE BACK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT BACK IS.
>> [OVERLAPPING]. IT'S NOT EVEN AN EIGHT.
>> WITHOUT GETTING TWO SIDEWAYS ON THIS ONE TOPIC, CAN YOU BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING? WE DON'T HAVE TO CURE THIS IN TWO WEEKS.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SOME REMEDY FOR THE CITIZENS IMPACTED THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THANK YOU.
>> [INAUDIBLE] CONSENSUS SAYS IT'S NOT LIKE [INAUDIBLE] BRING BACK OPTIONS.
>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT HE HAS TO DO THAT OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT'S A WISE IDEA, AND IF HE DID BRING IT, WE WOULD DEBATE IT AND EITHER VOTE IT IN OR NOT.
>> IT'S A [INAUDIBLE] CONSENSUS.
>> I WOULD THINK I WOULD WAIT ON AN ORDINANCE UNTIL WE HAD CONSENSUS ON A PROCESS.
>> WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THAT THEN. THAT'S YOUR ANSWER.
>> IT'S THE PROCESS ALSO THAT HE'S BRINGING BACK, NOT JUST OPTIONS.
>> TWO THINGS. IS TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE WOULD NOTICE AND WHO WE WOULD NOTICE BASED ON WHATEVER CRITERIA.
THE SECOND THING WOULD BE BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE SIMONS AND THE OTHER FAMILIES THAT SPOKE TONIGHT AND THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT.
>> THE SOUND VISUAL [INAUDIBLE] EMISSIONS.
>> WELL, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IN HEIGHT.
>> NO. WHAT HE JUST SAID MADE SENSE.
LET'S HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE.
WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT ONE.
THANKS. MR. KILLINGSWORTH, YOU'RE STILL ON.
>> LET'S LOAD UP THE NEXT ONE.
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THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOODS.THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ONLINE THAT I HAVE A DIFFERENT VISION FOR OUR PURPOSE THAN THE CITY DOES.
PARTICULARLY IF YOU'VE KNOWN ME AND WORKED WITH ME BEFORE, I TEND TO BE VERY DRIVEN BY WHATEVER AN ORGANIZATION'S VISION IS.
I TELL MY DAUGHTER ALL THE TIME THAT A VISION IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ARTICULATE, THAT YOU PLAN FOR, AND THEN THAT YOU IMPLEMENT.
IF YOU CAN'T ARTICULATE IT, PLAN FOR, OR IMPLEMENT IT, THEN IT'S JUST A DREAM.
THIS IS CURRENTLY THE VISION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED.
I'LL READ IT OUT. IT SAYS, IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WE HAVE A STRONG SENSE OF BELONGING AND SAFETY.
OUR CITIZENS AND GOVERNMENT CARE DEEPLY ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND UNDERSTAND THAT UNIFIED SUPPORT IS REQUIRED TO PRESERVE IT.
WE ARE GRACED WITH THE FUNCTIONAL BEAUTY OF OUR BEACH, OUR MARSH, AND OUR TREE CANOPY.
OUR SHADY STREETS AND MULTI-USE PATHS CONNECT OUR WELCOMING NEIGHBORHOODS AND VIBRANT LOCAL BUSINESSES.
OUR CITY SUPPORTS A DIVERSE, MULTI-GENERATIONAL, SOCIALLY LINKED COMMUNITY WITH GREEN SPACES, ACTIVE LIFESTYLES, PARKS, AND PROGRAMMING.
IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I NOTICED WAS THAT THE CITY DOES PRIORITY SETTINGS, BUT THEY HAD NOT HISTORICALLY LINK THE PRIORITIES TO THE VISION.
WHEN WE WENT TO OUR THE FIRST PRIORITY SETTING IN WHICH I DID, I SET UP THEMES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE THEMES, THERE ARE FIVE THEMES HERE, AND THEY EMULATE.
COULD YOU REPLICATE WORD FOR WORD, BECAUSE COULDN'T FIT ALL THAT ON A NICE SLIDE, AND THEN IN A SPREADSHEET.
BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS CREATE A STRONG SENSE OF BELONGING AND SAFETY.
WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PRIORITIES THAT SEEK TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
PRESERVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES, PROMOTE A SOCIALLY LINKED COMMUNITY THROUGH GREEN SPACES, ACTIVE LIFESTYLES, PARKS, AND PROGRAMMING.
THEN THIS FIFTH ONE DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST IN THE VISION STATEMENT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T IMPLEMENT THE VISION, AND THAT'S MAINTAIN A STRONG FINANCIAL CONDITION SUITABLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE CITY'S VISION.
UNDER THESE FIVE THEMES, THERE ARE SETS OF PRIORITIES THAT THE COMMISSION LAST YEAR ADOPTED AND TASKED THE CITY STAFF WITH WORKING ON.
IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
>> I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO SEE; THE INTENT ISN'T TO GO THROUGH THESE BOXES.
THE INTENT IS JUST TO SHOW THAT.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, THERE WAS A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THAT PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAD STREETS AND DRAINAGE; IT HAD A PARKS AND BUILDING MAINTENANCE UNIT ON IT.
WE HAD A RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAD A RECREATION DIRECTOR, A RECREATION ASSOCIATE, AND A PART-TIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
WE HAD A PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WHICH HAD A BUILDING DIVISION AND A PLANNING DIVISION IN IT.
WHAT I DID WAS A, WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I TALKED TO EVERY STAFF MEMBER IN THE CITY.
I ASKED THE SECRETARY AT THAT TIME, AVON, TO RANDOMLY SCHEDULE 10 EMPLOYEES TO MEET WITH ME ONCE A WEEK.
WE DID THAT, AND WHAT BECAME APPARENT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF IS WE HAD PARKS IN THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
PLANNING WAS BEING DONE BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY PUT TOGETHER THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, THEY PUT TOGETHER LONG-RANGE CIP FOR THE PARKS.
THE PROGRAMMING WAS DONE BY THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND THEY SET FORTH THE CONCERTS AND THE ART SHOWS AND THE FLAG FOOTBALL AND THE YOGA IN THE PARK AND TAI CHI.
THEN, PARKS MAINTENANCE ACTUALLY MAINTAINED THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW, AT ONE TIME, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A FUTURE SLIDE, THERE WAS A PARKS AND MAINTENANCE OR PARKS AND
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REC DEPARTMENT IN WHICH THE PARKS MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND THE PROGRAMMING PEOPLE WERE TOGETHER, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO TALK.WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, WE HAD PARKS IN THREE DIFFERENT PLACES IN THOSE THREE DIFFERENT PLACES, THE COMMUNICATION WAS NOT ALWAYS AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE PROGRAMMING AND THE MAINTENANCE, BUT ALSO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE LONG RANGE PLANS WERE NOT NECESSARILY AGREED TO OR IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE PARKS MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND THEN THE PROGRAMMING MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE FROM THE PARKS MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND THAT COMMUNICATION OF WHAT WAS NEEDED OR NOT NEEDED WAS NOT ALWAYS MAINTAINED.
WE HAD OUR PARKS DIRECTOR RESIGN, WHICH LEFT US WITH A PARKS ASSOCIATE AND A PART-TIME PERSON.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE VISION, AND I SAID, THIS JUST ISN'T GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS LAST LINE ON THE VISION, HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD? WHAT I DECIDED TO DO WAS TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO PARKS IN ONE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THE PLANNING, THE PROGRAMMING, AND THE MAINTENANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION OF IT IS ALL IN A SINGLE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS, WITH THE RECREATION DIRECTOR, WE RECLASSIFIED THAT DIRECTOR DOWN TO A SPECIAL EVENTS PROGRAM MANAGER.
WE'VE SINCE HIRED THAT PERSON.
THEY HAVE A MASTER'S IN PARKS AND SPORTS MANAGEMENT, I BELIEVE IT IS WHAT HIS MASTER'S DEGREE IS, AND WE GOT HIM FOR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT THE PRIOR DIRECTOR WAS MAKING.
WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MONEY, WE ELEVATED THE PARK SUPERVISOR TO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CALLING PARKS MAINTENANCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
WE WANT THEM TO TAKE ON A GREATER ENVIRONMENTAL LOOK ON OUR PARKS, NOT JUST THE MAINTENANCE OF THE JUNGLE GEMS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND TENNIS COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO HAVE AN EYE IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
THOSE WERE THE TWO POSITIONS THAT WE ENDED UP DOING.
WE ENDED UP DOING THOSE, SO WE CONVERTED A PARK SUPERVISOR TO THIS PARK'S MAINTENANCE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARD.
WE ELEVATED A POSITION, USED SOME EXTRA MONEY FROM THE DIRECTOR POSITION, AND THEN USED THE REMAINING MONEY FROM THE DIRECTOR'S POSITION TO CREATE THIS EVENTS PROGRAMMER.
IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SOME PEOPLE ASKED WHAT AUTHORITY THERE WAS.
IN MY EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, IN THE RESOLUTION THAT HIRED ME, THERE'S A SECTION E, AND IT SAYS IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF THE CITY MANAGER TO ORGANIZE, REORGANIZE, ARRANGE THE STAFF OF THE CITY, AND TO DEVELOP AND ESTABLISH INTERNAL REGULATIONS, RULES AND PROCEDURES WHICH THE CITY MANAGER DEEMS NECESSARY FOR THE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE OPERATION OF THE CITY.
HERE'S A GOOD PART, CONSISTENT WITH THE LAWFUL DIRECTIVES OF POLICIES, ORDINANCES, STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.
IN THE CHARTER, THERE IS THE CREATION OF NEW DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES, CHANGES OF DUTY, AND THERE IT SAYS THE CITY COMMISSION MAY CREATE CHANGE, ABOLISH OFFICES, DEPARTMENTS, AUTHORITIES, OR AGENCIES.
THE CITY COMMISSION MAY, BY ORDINANCE, ASSIGN ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS OR DUTIES TO THE OFFICES, DEPARTMENTS, OR AGENCIES ESTABLISHED BY THIS CHARTER BUT THEY MAY NOT DISCONTINUE OR ASSIGN TO ANY OTHER OFFICE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY, ANY FUNCTION OR DUTY ASSIGNED BY THIS CHARTER TO A PARTICULAR OFFICE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY.
THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE CHARTER IS POLICE, FIRE, AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT, BUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT IS ME UNLESS I DELEGATE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND IN THIS CASE, MY PREDECESSOR DELEGATED IT TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED THAT DELEGATION.
THERE ARE THREE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY CHARTER.
THEN IN THE ORDINANCE CODE, IT SAYS ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS AS ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE SHALL REPORT TO AND SERVE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER.
IN TALKING WITH STAFF, THE INTERPRETATION FROM STAFF HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN THAT THE CHARTER GRANTS THE COMMISSION TO CREATE DEPARTMENTS.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO, AND THAT IF THE DEPARTMENT IS NOT CREATED BY ORDINANCE, THEN THE CITY MANAGER CAN CREATE OR ESTABLISH DEPARTMENTS TO DO WHAT THE DUTY RECALLS AND PART E. IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IN LOOKING AT THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER 2,
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THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A POLICE DEPARTMENT, A FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF UTILITIES.I DON'T EXPECT YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO READ ALL THIS.
THIS IS MORE, SO IT KEEPS ME ON POINT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DUTIES OF PUBLIC WORKS, THOSE DUTIES ARE CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE, AND IT SAYS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ENGINEER IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S APPARENTLY ONE POSITION.
UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUPERVISION OF THE MAINTENANCE OF STREET SANITATION, DRAINAGE FACILITIES, STORMWATER, AND FLEET MAINTENANCE.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PARK'S MAINTENANCE.
THEN I DID A REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE CODE AS A WHOLE AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS IN CHAPTER 5, THERE ARE REFERENCES TO A PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BUT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS NOT CODIFIED ANYWHERE.
IT IS NOT ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE ANYWHERE.
IN CHAPTER 6, IT DOES ESTABLISH A BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE CODE.
IRONICALLY, WHEN I CAME, WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD A BUILDING DIVISION BECAUSE THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE ITS OWN BUILDING OFFICIAL.
THERE ARE REFERENCES IN CHAPTER 6 TO A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WHICH NOBODY ON STAFF HAS THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS OR IS.
THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, BUT THERE IS NO PLANNING AND ZONING.
THERE IS A PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WHICH I'LL GET TO LATER ON.
IN CHAPTER 19, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO CODIFICATION, NO ESTABLISHMENT OF A RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
IN CHAPTER 24 IT ESTABLISHES THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S OFFICE.
AN OFFICE IS TYPICALLY SMALLER THAN A DEPARTMENT BUT THEN AGAIN, IN CHAPTER 24, IT THEN REFERENCES A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S A DEPARTMENT THAT IS NOT ESTABLISHED BY CODE.
THE INTERESTING THING, TOO IS WE HAVE AN HR DEPARTMENT AND AN IT DEPARTMENT NEITHER ARE ESTABLISHED BY CODE, AND NEITHER ARE REFERENCED IN THE CODE.
I SAID, WELL, THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS TELLING ME AS IT HAPPENED HISTORICALLY.
COULD SHE DO SOME RESEARCH AND LOOK AT THE RECORD? IN LOOKING AT THE RECORD, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH PAST REORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT OR THEY WERE ROLLED INTO THE BUDGET AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT THE DEPARTMENTS WERE NEVER CODIFIED.
THEY WERE JUST BUDGETED FOR, AND THE DIRECTOR CREATED THEM.
IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD? WE HAVE A BUNCH OF DEPARTMENTS.
WE HAVE TWO IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE NOT ESTABLISHED AND AREN'T REFERENCED BUT EXIST.
WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT ARE ESTABLISHED AND ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE CODIFIED, BUT THEY DON'T MEET THE CODE.
I'M OPEN TO HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS HISTORICALLY, THE CITY MANAGER JUST REORGANIZED THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE NOT CODIFIED, AND THAT IS WHAT I DID.
I WILL BE RECEPTIVE TO WHATEVER THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
I DID ASK HIM TO PRESENT TONIGHT ON NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.
AS WE CAN SEE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNDER I MEANT ASK YOU.
INSTEAD OF NEIGHBORHOODS WE COULD CALL IT BUILDING, PLANNING, PARKS, RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
>> IT'S VERY LONG. I MEANT TO ASK YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP AND SAY, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF BUILDING, PLANNING, PARKS, AND RECREATION.
I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND SOMETHING VISUAL FOR ME AND OUR CITIZENS TO LOOK AT.
WITH THAT, THIS IS ANOTHER COMMUNICATION ISSUE, I THINK.
WE HAVE THE NEED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT AS WE'VE HEARD A CITY MANAGER, KILLINGSWORTH SHARE, THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING HR AND IT THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST DECADE THAT WERE NECESSARY, AND THERE'S SOME ON THERE THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE COMPLETELY AGED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT REGARDING DO WE NEED AN ORDINANCE HERE TO ALLOW FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO ENACT
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OR END CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PHASED OUT, BUT AT LEAST WORTHY OF THE PRESENTATION, AND I APPRECIATE CITY MANAGER'S TIME.>> I DID WANT TO SAY THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT CITY OF JACKSONVILLE ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.
THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT I MIGHT OFFEND THEM, BUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT IS A MISHMASH OF ORGANIZATION.
YOU HAVE LIKE ANIMAL CONTROL IN THERE, HOUSING IN THERE.
IT'S JUST A COLLECTION OF OTHER DIVISIONS THAT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, DIDN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE.
I CHOSE TO CALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS A BECAUSE IT'S ONE WORD, SO IT'S EASY, AND PLANNING, THE BUILDING AND THE PARKS IS WHAT DEFINES AND CREATES OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT SEEMED LIKE A SHORT AND APPROPRIATE NAME.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK I THINK AN OBVIOUS QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO WITH THE UNCODIFIED DEPARTMENTS.
>> AT SOME POINT, PREFERABLY AFTER THE BUDGET SESSION, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE CODE AND TAKE OUT REFERENCES TO DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T EXIST.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CODIFY DEPARTMENTS THAT DO EXIST AND ESTABLISH A PROCESS FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WE SHOULD AT SOME POINT, GO THROUGH THE CODE AND CLEAN UP THE CODE FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT NO LONGER EXIST OR NO LONGER FUNCTION THE WAY THAT THEY FUNCTION AT THE TIME, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CODE AND IF SOMEBODY REFERENCES THE CODE, THEY'LL SEE A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL SEE A RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE MENTIONED IN TWO DIFFERENT CHAPTERS REGARDING DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT WOULD BE MY BASELINE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CLEAN THE CODE.
>> I CAN THINK OF ONE DEPARTMENT THAT OUGHT TO BE CODIFIED BECAUSE IT IS PART OF OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, AND THAT IS IT AND CYBERSECURITY.
>> THERE'S A GOOD RATIONALE THERE.
I GET. I GUESS WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AND DISCUSS IT LATER.
COMMISSIONERS BRING IT UP AT ANY TIME OR PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WHAT I JUST HEARD IS LET'S GET THROUGH THE BUDGET, AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT THAT SO IT'S A CLEAN-UP OPERATION.
>> WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I AM DONE UNTIL WE GET PAST CONSENT.
>> COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK VOLUMINOUSLY OR NOT SO VOLUMINOUSLY.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
IT IS TIME FOR YOUR REPORT, MR. BOLE.>> DONNA, WOULD YOU HIT THE THREE MINUTES? I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ANY MORE THAN A CITIZEN.
I'LL GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK.
NUMBER 1 DANCING INDUSTRIES IS COMING.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS.
MY BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY FRIENDS ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS AND SPONSORS.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, LET ME KNOW.
MAYOR, YOU OPENED IT UP IN THE PREAMBLE WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH ORDINANCE 125 AND 124, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE 124 AND 125.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THEY'LL I APPRECIATE YOU NEGOTIATING, BUT I'VE GOT TWO RED LINE COPIES HERE, AND I REALLY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
YOU CAN BLAME ME FOR ONE OF THEM, BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS IN THERE.
THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT.
JOHANSEN PARK, WE HAVE A CONCERT.
I'M LOOKING FOR THIS GUY TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT CONCERT, AND COMMISSIONER, YOU BROUGHT UP ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
WE NEED SOMEONE TO SIT DOWN, WRITE A CONTRACT, AND LOOK AT LIABILITY.
I KNOW I SPOKE TO YOU TODAY ABOUT LIABILITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S SECTIONS OF THIS I THINK THE CITY NEEDS.
I'M SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.
I'LL BE MAKING THOSE TWO MOTIONS FOR THE ONE, AND AS FAR AS 124, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE MET WITH ESC MEMBERS.
I WAS GOING BACK THROUGH THIS, AND MAYOR, I KNOW YOU TRIED TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS.
>> POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, WHICH TOTAL FIVE OF SIX PAGES.
I'M JUST NOT SMART ENOUGH TO DO THAT TODAY.
I'VE GOT A MINUTE AND 10 SECONDS.
KEVIN, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO AND LOOK AT WHAT THE AVERAGE CITY OUR SIZE PAYS A CITY COMMISSIONER.
WE ARE WELL BELOW THAT SO I'M THINKING THAT WE NEED A RAISE FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION.
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$527 A MONTH, PROBABLY NOT DOING IT.I'M SERIOUS. I GOT 46 SECONDS.
LET'S SEE. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> I'M GOING TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BOLE AND HIS MOTION.
HE SAID A LOT OF THINGS THAT I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE I APPRECIATE MAYOR WILSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
HE SAID RESONATED WITH ME THAT THE FINAL READING REALLY SHOULD BE PRETTY MUCH DONE, AND I KNOW AT TIMES WE DO HAVE SOME NEEDED TWEAKS.
>> BUT THAT YOU GET THAT? NEEDED TWEAKS, BUT WE GOT A LOT GOING ON HERE, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS.
I THINK THESE ARE BEYOND TWEAKS THAT WE NORMALLY, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, HAVE PUT INTO AMENDMENTS AT FINAL READING, LIKE THE EBIKE THING.
WE DECIDED TO LET THE BIKES ON THE BEACH, RIGHT? SO WE TOOK THAT OUT. THAT WAS JUST ONE LITTLE THING.
THEN WITH SPECIFIC ORDINANCE 952-05-1205, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THAT WE CAN, BUT WHATEVER GOES INTO THIS ORDINANCE, I WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO 100% ALLOW THE OUTSIDE KIDS SCHOOL TO RESUME OPERATION, AS THEY WERE BEFORE WITH EVERY DEVICE, STEPPING STONE, SMALL TIRE SWING BACK IN.
I'D REALLY LIKE US TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT.
SOME OF IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE AS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IF THAT SCHOOL CANNOT GO BACK TO NORMAL OPERATIONS.
I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> I HAVE TWO INVITES AND ONE THAT SARAH MENTIONED, BUT OUR ESC AWARDS.
EVERYBODY IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE ESC.
NOW, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE ESC AS THEY'RE REWARDING THE COMMUNITY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE SO FAR.
THAT'S WEDNESDAY AT ABQ AT ZERO AT 6:30. SECOND ONE.
SATURDAY AT PARK, THE DAUGHTERS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION ARE INSTALLING A 250TH ANNIVERSARY MARKER IN THE PARK AT 2:00.
THERE'S LOTS OF REFRESHMENTS, SO COME AND BE POLITE AND STAY FOR CUPCAKES.
THIRDLY, WE'VE ALL GOT AN EMAIL.
I DON'T THINK IT QUITE MADE IT THROUGH THE NEW EMAIL PROCESS.
BUT FELLOW COMMISSIONER THAT I SERVED WITH IN MY FIRST TERM, SHE FEELS THAT SHE PERHAPS HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY CHARACTERIZED AS BEING AGAINST THE ESC, AND THIS IS BLYTH WATERS, AND SHE WANTED TO REMIND US ALL THAT SHE IS, IN FACT, VEHEMENTLY IN FAVOR OF THE ESC AND THAT ANYONE THAT SAYS ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY IS MISGUIDED.
WE'VE ALL DONE A LOT OF WORK TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER RING.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE TOWN HALL, I THINK WENT VERY WELL.
WE DID NOT HAVE A TOPIC IN PLACE.
THAT WAS US, THE COMMISSION AND STAFF LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC'S LAST COMMENT FROM OUR LAST TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD TOO MANY ITEMS PLACED ON THERE.
IT WAS A TRUE TOWN HALL WHERE WE LISTENED AND YOU SPOKE.
GOING WITH THAT COMMUNICATION THEME OR LACK THEREOF, AND I HEARD AT ONE POINT SOMEONE SAY TODAY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THE TONE DEAF.
BEING TONED DEATH TO OUR CITIZENS.
JUST A REMINDER, I KNOW YOU DON'T NEED THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY.
ALL OF US FROM CITY STAFF, TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE'RE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE TOOK OUR OATH IN OFFICE TO DO.
WE ARE SERVING THE PEOPLE, AND WE MIGHT COME IN.
I MIGHT COME IN, THINKING I'M GOING TO VOTE ONE WAY AND I HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY OR THROUGH EMAILS, CALLS, TEXTS, WHATEVER, AND I MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE MY THOUGHTS OR MY DESIRES.
THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A SERVANT.
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THAT'S WHAT TRUE LEADERSHIP IS. I'LL SAY THAT.THEN WITH THAT, I WANT TO SEGUE INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR STATE LEGISLATION RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL, TERMS LIKE THE HOUSE BILL 943, THAT'S TITLED LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT IT DOES ANYTHING BUT ALLOW US TO LIVE LOCAL AND ACT.
I WANT TO IMPLORE MY FELLOW CITIZENS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I AM FIRST TOO TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S BEING SENT OUT, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO THE RESOLUTIONS LATER ON, WE CAN HAVE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THERE THAT'S NOT ONE OF OUR RESOLUTIONS, AND IT'S 1221.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, PAY ATTENTION WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE.
IT'S NOT JUST HERE LOCALLY THAT YOUR VOICE CAN BE HEARD, BUT OURS UNIFIED TOGETHER CAN BE HEARD AT A STATE, AND I HOPE IT WILL. THAT'S IT HERE.
I'LL ECHO WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE TONE DEAF.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY DO LISTEN, AND SO I'M VERY PROUD OF THE COMMISION.
I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
I WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE LEAVE TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY GIVE SOME AT LEAST TEMPORARY RELIEF TO OUTSIDE KIDS.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, YOU'RE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PARK, PENDING RESOLUTION OF WHATEVER THE CITY IS GOING TO DO. OR NO? CAN WE, BY CONSENSUS, GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO SIMPLY ALLOW THEIR CONTINUED.
YOU ARE IN THE PARKS. YOU'RE GOOD.
WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS THE AMENITIES THAT YOU HAD BEFORE.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THEM TO PUT AMENITIES BACK IN THE PARK, SAVE THE SWING.
SORRY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ADVISING ME THAT THE SWINGS ARE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC.
COULD WE DO THAT NOW, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD EARLIER, AND IT'S NOT A IMPROPER THOUGHT PROCESS IS, BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
THE WHOLE POINT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE WAS TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER THE ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE WITH FOR PROFIT.
BUT THE MARKET IS NOT THE SAME AS OUTSIDE KIDS, SO CAN WE TREAT THAT SPECIAL HERE AND GIVE THEM THE AUTHORIZATION TO PUT STUFF IN THAT WE COULD CHANGE LATER BY OUR DECISIONS, BUT WE WOULD NOTIFY EVERYBODY IF WE DID. YES. COMMISSIONER.
IF YOU READ ARTICLE 9525125 CAREFULLY, THERE IS THE ABILITY THERE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I SUPPORT YOU.
BUT THAT'S THE IDEA HERE IS THAT HE CHECKS THE LIABILITY.
HE UNDERSTANDS IT. HE COMES TO AN AGREEMENT, AND THEY CAN OPERATE THE NEXT DAY AT NO COST.
THAT'S THE BACKBONE OF THIS FOR ANY.
>> I HEAR YOU AND YOU'RE RIGHT, EXCEPT ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IS WHEN? AS I'M LISTENING NOW, AND WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THIS WHEN WE GET TO THE ORDINANCES, BUT IF WE END UP PUNTING ON THE ORDINANCES, WE MAY NOT BRING THEM BACK FOR SIX WEEKS.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN WHERE WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED AMPLE TIME FOR COMMUNICATION AND DIALOGUE.
LET'S SAY WE WERE SIX WEEKS OUT.
IN THE MEANTIME, WOULD IT BE UNREASONABLE TO ALLOW OUTSIDE KIDS TO DO OPERATE AS THEY WERE OPERATING BEFORE, ALTHOUGH I WOULD STILL ASK FOR AN INSURANCE CERTIFICATE.
LYNN AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS, BUT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE COULD LIVE?
>> YES, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE WERE HANDED SAID, THIS DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JULY 1ST, 2025, ANYWAY. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WOULD I LIKE THIS ALL TO BE FIXED AND MOVE FORWARD? BUT I THINK IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I'M GOING TO HIT THE CLOCK AGAIN FOR 30 SECONDS.
OUR CITY CHARTER SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER RUNS THE CITY.
IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED, AS YOU KNOW, A STRONG CITY MANAGER, A WEAK COMMISSION.
OUR JOB, AT LEAST THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS TO EMPOWER THE CITY MANAGER TO DO HIS JOB AND DO EVERYTHING I CAN UNTIL HE DOESN'T, BECAUSE BILL KNOWS THIS.
WE TRUST HIM IN HIS JUDGMENT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS TO GO
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AHEAD AND FIX THINGS AND LOOK AT COMPETING PRIORITIES AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THREE OUT OF FIVE OF US CAN SAY, BILL, GOOD LUCK. BILL KNOWS THAT.
BILL KNOWS THE AVERAGE CITY MANAGER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OF HOW LONG, BUT HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB. I TRUST HIM.
I LOOK AT MY JOB IS, I NEED TO EMPOWER HIM AND LET HIM DO HIS JOB.
I'M TURNING THAT QUESTION OVER TO BILL.
>> SURE. I'LL LET YOU DO THAT.
YOU'RE CUT OFF NOW, COMMISSIONER.
>> I THOUGHT MAYBE COMMISSIONER HAS GOT FIVE MINUTES IN THE CITY MANAGER IS GOT LIKE FIVE SECONDS.
>> I HAD MET WITH LYNN AND I HAD S AND I TALKED WHEN THE ORDINANCE FIRST CAME THROUGH.
AT THAT TIME, I EXPRESSED THAT I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE MUD KITCHEN AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
THE ONLY THING I WASN'T SUPPORTIVE OF WAS THE S. THERE MAY BE DISAGREEMENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A RISK TO THE CITY, BUT OUR INSURANCE COMPANY MIGHT BELIEVE IT'S A RISK.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHE DOES HAVE INSURANCE RIGHT NOW INDEMNIFIES CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR WHEN SHE TAKES KIDS TO HANNA PARK.
THAN THE MAYOR JUST ALLUDED TO IT.
IF WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ASK, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO JUST ADD THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO THAT POLICY?
>> IT'S ALREADY ADDED. BEAUTIFUL. WITH THAT, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES AND WE HAVE A COPY OF THE INDEMNIFICATION, THEN I'M FINE WITH BRINGING BACK MY KITCHEN AND THE OTHER STUFF WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SWING.
THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. THERE.
>> HOW EXPENSIVE IS A TIRE SWING THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> COULD WE NOT JUST THROW THAT IN THERE, TOO?
>> LET'S DO ONE THING TONIGHT.
>> IF I CAN GET CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THROUGH THAT WITH LYNN AND OUTSIDE KIDS ON THE BASIS OF AT THIS POINT, SIMPLY REQUIRING THE INSURANCE. IS THAT GOOD?
>> THANKS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO COMMENT ON.
CAN WE MOVE ON THE AGENDA? WE'RE ALL THE WAY TO PAGE 2.
>> I'VE ONLY GOT SIX, SEVEN PAGES HERE.
WE'RE ON TWO. CONSENT. I LOVE THIS PART.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
I'M GOING TO READ THIS. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS, AND THE ITEM 6A APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-36, 6B IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-31, 6C IS APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-32.
SIX D IS APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-33, AND 6E IS APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-34.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO REMOVE ANY OF THESE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I WANT TO VOLUNTEER MY STREET TO BE THE FIRST TO USE THE LEAF SUCKER.
WE GOT PLENTY OF LEAVES FOR YOU TO TRY IT OUT ON.
>> IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THEN I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
ITEM 8A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-26,
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-26]
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING AT 35'' DIAMETER LIVE OAK TREE AND A 31 " DIAMETER MULTI TRUNK HITTERY TREE AT 326 OCEAN BOULEVARD AS HERITAGE TREES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. MAYOR, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO RESOLUTION 25-26 AND 25-27, GIVEN THAT THE SAME STAFF REPORT, ESSENTIALLY.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THAT THREE LANDMARK TREES BE DESIGNATED AS HERITAGE TREES.
THESE TREES HAVE BEEN NOMINATED BY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER THEN SUPPORTED
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BY ESC BECAUSE OF THEIR INTRINSIC VALUE DUE TO THEIR SIZE AND AGE.RESOLUTION 25-26 DESIGNATES A LIVE OAK AND A HITTERY TREE.
THE LIVE OAK IS 35 " IN DIAMETER AND ESTIMATED TO BE 140-YEARS-OLD.
THE HITTERY IS 31 " IN DIAMETER AND ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 76-YEARS-OLD.
RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-27 DESIGNATES A 38 INCH DIAMETER LIVE OAK TREE AT 37863.
THIS TREE IS ESTIMATED TO BE 152-YEARS-OLD.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-26 AND RESOLUTION 25-27.
I CAN MAKE THIS LAST A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS ANY TREE THAT IS OLDER THAN ANY LIVING PERSON DESERVES THE RIGHT TO STAY RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT AS LONG AS IT POSSIBLY CAN.
>> THEN WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-26 AND 25-27.
>> THE MOTION IS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 25-26. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> JUST A REAL QUICK, STUPID QUESTION SO IN DESIGNATING IT HERITAGE, IT CAN NEVER BE CUT DOWN.
>> JUST HAVE SOMEONE WRITING A CHECK TO CUT THE THING DOWN?
>> AMANDA. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT'S TRUE.
>> GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASKEW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
TO REMOVE A HERITAGE TREE, IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT OF A REMOVAL OF A REGULAR TREE.
HOWEVER, THE MITIGATION RATIO IS DIFFERENT.
IT IS A HIGHER MITIGATION RATIO TO REMOVE THAT TREE.
>> WHEN YOU SAY HIGHER MITIGATION, WAS IT 50% MORE OR 100% MORE OR DOUBLE?
>> IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY ON THE LARGER SIZE, FOR EVERY INCH REMOVED, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH THREE INCHES.
>> IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, STILL IF THEY BRING AN ARBORIST LETTER THAT SAYS THE TREE IS DISEASED OR DYING OR ENDANGERING THE HOUSE, THEY CAN BASICALLY TAKE IT WITHOUT PULLING A PERMIT.
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
MOVING TO, WHICH ONE AM I AT NOW ON?
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 25-27]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-27, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING A 38-INCH DIAMETER LIVE OAK TREE AT 378 SIXTH STREET AS HERITAGE TREES, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THE REPORT FROM CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-27.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BOLE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> MAYBE THIS COULD BE THE INCENTIVE FOR HERITAGE TREES, THEY GET A PREFERRED PARKING SPOT AT TOWN CENTER IF THEY PUT IN HERITAGE TREE.
>> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE FUNNY.
THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A SOLUTION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
THIS IS 8C, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-35,
[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 25-35]
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, OPPOSING FLORIDA HOUSE BILL 943, DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO TRANSMIT A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA SENATE AND THE SPEAKER OF THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE MEMBERS OF THE DUVAL COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY'S OPPOSITION TO HOUSE BILL 943.
SO 943 IS CHANGE TO ORDINANCE THAT PASSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO CALLED LIVE LOCAL.
WHERE IT IMPACTS ATLANTIC BEACH PRINCIPALLY IS IN THE EXISTING LIVE LOCAL ACT, THEY DEFINE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT AS ANY HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 FEET.
IN OUR CHARTER, WE GRANDFATHER IN ONE OCEAN, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
MY POSITION HAS BEEN AND WILL BE UNTIL THE STATE DOES SOMETHING THAT IS DISAGREEABLE,
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THAT ONE OCEAN ISN'T SUBJECT TO LIVE LOCAL, SO THAT IF YOU CAN BUILD ON LIVE LOCAL, WHICH ALLOWS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE BUILT IN RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.EVEN THOUGH TYPICALLY HOUSING CAN'T BE BUILT IN A COMMERCIAL, UNDER LIVE LOCAL, YOU CAN, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT TO 35 FEET.
WHAT HOUSE BILL 943 DOES IS IT CHANGES THE DEFINITION OF ALLOWABLE HEIGHT TO THE HIGHEST BUILDING WITHIN 1 MILE RADIUS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT ONE OCEAN, SO LIKE A WORST CASE SCENARIO, POTENTIALLY, IT MIGHT BE BAD IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE STRIP CENTERS ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, WHICH ARE CLEARLY WITHIN 1 MILE OF ONE OCEAN.
THAT MIGHT BE TERRIBLE, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY EGREGIOUS.
BUT THINK ABOUT IF ABE DOES ACTUALLY CLOSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
THINK ABOUT THE SEA PLACE CONDOMINIUMS WHICH HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES RIGHT NOW DUE TO SPAULDING OF THE CONCRETE SUPPORTS.
AT SOME POINT, EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUAL OWNERS, IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL FOR SOMEBODY TO AGGREGATE THAT UP AND BUY IT ALL UP, AND NOW THEY COULD BUILD A TOWER UP TO THE HEIGHT OF ONE OCEAN RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE RESOLUTION AND THE BASIS OF OUR [INAUDIBLE], MR. MAYOR?
>> YES. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-35 AS READ.
>> MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER RING AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BOLE. DISCUSSION?
>> I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVE, KIYAN MICHAEL DID VOTE NO ON THIS AND ON A FEW OTHERS.
WE HAVE BEEN HEARD, BUT STAY VIGILANT.
>> NO. THERE HAS BEEN THE VOTE.
>> THROUGH HER INTERGOVERNMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE THAT SHE'S ON.
>> THERE'S OPPOSITION TO THIS ACROSS THE STATE.
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
MOVING TO ITEM, WHATEVER THAT IS, EIGHT SOMETHING.
[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 25-36]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-36, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, OPPOSING FLORIDA HOUSE BILL 247, DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO TRANSMIT A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, THE PRESIDENT OF FLORIDA SENATE, THE SPEAKER OF THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE DUVAL COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR.
THIS IS ANOTHER HOUSE BILL, THAT'S HOUSE BILL 247 IN WHICH WE ARE SUPPORTING OPPOSITION TO.
WHAT HOUSE BILL 247 DOES IS IT REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ENACT WITHIN ITS ZONING CODE, THE ABILITY TO DO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
YOU CAN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING RENTED AND YOU CAN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING DUE TO THE ADU.
CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH DOES NOT PERMIT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-36.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER RING AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BOLE. DISCUSSION?
>> JUST ONE. I DID HAVE APPREHENSIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAVING TO DO A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
I KNOW WE HAVE BANNED THAT IN ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO RUN WITH THIS.
>> BUT IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE LEGAL IN THE CITY.
WHAT IT IS, THE CONCERN IS THAT THE ADUS WOULD SET THE STAGE FOR PEOPLE TO EFFECTIVELY USE SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHETHER THEY'RE LEGAL OR NOT. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO ENFORCE THE BAN ON SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE AIRBNB AND THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT MARKET THAT ARE VERY GOOD AT FIGURING OUT HOW WE FIGURE OUT THAT THEY'RE DOING IT, AND THEN THEY CHANGE THEIR PROCESS.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GO AFTER THEM.
>> BUT IF YOU LOOK, OUR SISTER CITIES ARE HAVING A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT COMPARED TO US.
>> WITH ADUS, PARKING IS THE ISSUE.
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>> THERE MIGHT BE ROOM TO BUILD A LITTLE HOUSE, BUT THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUT A LITTLE HOUSE IN A SUV.
>> IT CLEARLY WOULD GO AGAINST THE GREEN OF WHAT WE THINK IS LONG TERM BEST FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS.
I'M OPPOSED. I HOPE ALL OF US ARE OPPOSED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 95-25-124, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
ORDINANCE 9A, WELL, LET ME READ IT, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT TO DO.THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-25-124.
DO I EVEN WANT TO MAYBE ENTERTAIN A MOTION RIGHT NOW?
>> I THINK YOU NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN MAY BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN.
>> DO WE ACTUALLY MOVE TO A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT?
>> YOU CAN OPEN AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANOTHER DAY.
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I'M GOING TO READ IT.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 23, PROTECTION OF TREES AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, DIVISION 3 PERMITS SECTION 23-23, PERMITS, PROCEDURES, AND SECTION 23-25 APPEALS, AMENDING DIVISION 6 VIOLATIONS, ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES BY MOVING SECTION 23-52, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE INTENT INTO A NEW DIVISION 7 ENTITLED ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE AND RENUMBERING WITH NEW SECTIONS OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF SAID AMENDMENTS, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
BEFORE I CALL ON YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, WHICH WE MAY NOT NEED TO, I THINK I ALREADY HEARD WHAT THE INTENT OF AT LEAST SEVERAL OF YOU ARE.
IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE REQUEST, WE WOULD REALLY NEED A MOTION TO MOVE IT. PARDON?
IT WOULD BE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.
BOTH THE HEARING AND THE SECOND READING.
IF I MAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR.
>> NOT SAY SOME DISTANCE TIME IN THE FUTURE.
>> YEAH. I WOULD PROPOSE MAY 12 FOR BOTH OF THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS.
>> YOU NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
>> I THINK SO. I'M GUN SHY AT THIS.
>> WELL, TO GET IT OUT THERE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TELL THEM THE DATE SO WE CAN DO [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE A WEIRD ONE.
EVERYBODY WE NEED TO BECAUSE THE 26 IS MEMORIAL DAY SO THAT THAT MEETING IS GOING TO BE 27TH OF MAY.
>> IT'S A TUESDAY, SO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I RECOMMEND MAY 27TH FOR BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
>> BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM NOW.
>> WE'LL STICK WITH JUST ONE ORDINANCE.
ITEM 9A ORDINANCE 9525-2124 TO MOVE THAT TO MAY 27TH.
BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I JUST WANT TO SUGGEST, I HAD HOPED WE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ACTUALLY START THE PROCESS OF DECIDING WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US IN THAT ORDINANCE.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING OUT SIX WEEKS, WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEN GET IT PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN ACTUALLY BRING IT BACK FOR A VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THIS GO AS THE RED LINE AMENDMENTS WERE PRESENTED TO US TODAY, THAT THIS GO BEFORE ESC TO LOOK AT AND TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON EACH OF THEM.
>> WELL, AS SOON AS IT'S PUBLISHED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IT LIKE YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> WELL, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO, MAYOR, IS SPEND THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, LIKE WE HAVE THE LAST SIX WEEKS WHERE IT WAS UNPRODUCTIVE, AND THEN WE FIND OUT THE DAY OF.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND.
PERSONALLY I AM OKAY WITH ESC LOOKING OVER THE AMENDMENTS.
I'M SURE THEY KNOW IT FORWARDS AND BACKWARDS.
THE RED LINES THAT WERE PROPOSED TODAY TO LOOK AT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS BACK TO US.
>> IT COULD BE DONE. COMMENTS ON THAT?
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THEY KNOW FIVE OF THEM BECAUSE FIVE OF THEM WERE RECOMMENDED.
>> THEY ACTUALLY CREATED [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE OTHERS ARE NOT FROM THEM, SO THEY HAVE NOT SEEN THEM YET.
>> THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
DONNA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MOTION WAS?
>> YEAH, I DID. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS WHAT JASON HAD SAID OR IF IT WAS STILL GOING TO STAY HOW HE PRESENTED IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I HEARD WAS TO OPEN AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE SECOND READING UNTIL MAY 27TH.
>> WAS THAT THE INTENT? OKAY. HE USED THE WORD MOVE INSTEAD OF CONTINUE.
[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 95-25-125, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-25-125, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 5, BEACHES AND PARKS, ARTICLE 3, WHICH IS PUBLIC PARKS TO ADD A NEW SECTION 5-34, ESTABLISHING RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR CONDUCTING BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN CITY OWNED PARKS AND FACILITIES, PROVIDING DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR RULES AND REGULATIONS, PROVIDING FOR PROHIBITIONS, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES, AND ENFORCEMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, AND SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, PROVIDING FOR INCORPORATION AND CODIFICATION IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.>> I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO MAY 27TH.
>> AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE?
>> OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR, JUST ONE MORE POINT. MAYBE NEXT TIME.
I KNOW, BILL, I THINK YOU CODIFIED IN HERE, BUT FOR BOTH OF THESE, THE FISCAL EFFECT, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S IT COST? DOES IT COST US ANYTHING.
>> IF I MAY. THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, A WAIVER, PULLING AN EDUCATIONAL CLAUSE.
THIS IS WHAT I HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS REGARDING EDUCATION.
I'M THINKING ABOUT ATLANTIC BEACH COMING TO JACK RUSSELL, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT? DO THEY NEED TO NOW PAY IT FOR A PERMIT? THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WEEDS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THEM LAID OUT WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE.
>> THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION I HAD THIS AFTERNOON.
IT'S ONE THING IF ABE DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO DO A FIELD TRIP TO JACK RUSSELL.
IT'S ANOTHER THING WHETHER IT'S ABE OR ANYBODY ELSE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO USE JACK RUSSELL AS AN EXTENSION OF THEIR ENTERPRISE ON MULTIPLE DAYS.
IF THREE DAYS A WEEK FOR A YEAR, THE ABE IS GOING TO USE JACK RUSSELL AS THEIR PLAYGROUND, THEN PERHAPS THE COMMISSION DOES WANT SOME AGREEMENT WITH ABE.
IF IT'S JUST A ONE DAY FIELD TRIP TO JACK RUSSELL, THEN THAT MAY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IT JUST DEPENDED ON THE NUANCE OF HOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY WE STRUCTURED THE AMENDMENTS.
THE FEE, THE AMENDMENT WAS THE CITY MANAGER COULD ONLY ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENTS OF EXPENSES INCURRED BY THE CITY DUE TO THE USE OF THE PUBLIC.
>> IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME AS A PERMIT IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A PERMIT TO RENT OUT THE PAVILION FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, IT WOULD BE A CONTRACT. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A CONTRACT WITH TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND A TERM.
WHAT I THINK MOST OF US ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A ONE-YEAR TERM.
>> AS WE'RE LOOKING AT BEACHES, NOT JUST PARKS, BUT BEACHES, WE HAVE SOME ACTIVITIES THAT MAY BE COMING UP, SUMMER CAMPS.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS AFTERNOON, CLEANUP FEE.
YOU GO AND USE A PARK, YOU HAVE A CONCERT.
WE'VE GOT TO GO PICK UP THE TRASH OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THERE'S A FEE INCURRED THERE TO THE CITY.
>> THERE'S ALSO WEAR AND TEAR.
IF YOU'RE COMING ONCE, THAT'S FINE, BUT IF YOU'RE COMING ALL THE TIME OR FREQUENTLY, THERE'S WEAR AND TEAR THAT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC COULD IMPACT THE FACILITY.
>> I'M GLAD WE'RE DEFERRING THIS FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, AND ALL BECAUSE THE CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT TO ME THINGS THAT I DIDN'T THINK TO STOP AND ASK, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SIX WEEKS TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
>> MOVING TO ITEM 9C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-25-71.
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>> I'M NOT SURE, AND THEN YOU WENT INTO DISCUSSION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'LL MAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
ITEM 9C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-25-71,
[9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 5-25-71, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, REPEALING PORTIONS OF PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS REGARDING THE CREATION OF THE ARTS RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE, CHANGING THE TITLE OF CHAPTER 5 TO BEACHES, PARKS, AND RECREATION WITH THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING PROVISIONS GOVERNING THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE INCLUDING PURPOSE, MEMBERSHIP, TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP, FILLING OF VACANCIES, REMOVAL OF MEMBERS, DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, CITY STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, PROCEDURES, AND RULES, ORGANIZATION OF OFFICERS AND LIABILITY TO CITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.>> MR. MAYOR, MY RECOMMENDATION THERE WOULD BE TO OPEN AND CONTINUE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO MAKE CHANGES.
I THINK IT THE IDEA THAT THE CHANGES BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PART.
>> IF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REMEMBER, WE DECIDED TO INCREASE THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP TO NINE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ESC.
I CERTAINLY WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ON THE SAME DATE ON THE 27TH OF MAY.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE 5-25-71 TO MAY 27TH.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
9D, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-25-179,
[9.D. ORDINANCE NO. 20-25-179, Introduction and First Reading]
INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS BUDGET ORDINANCE DOES TWO THINGS, BASICALLY.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO AGAIN HAVE ITS OWN BUILDING OFFICIAL AT A VERY REASONABLE COST.
BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE A WASH. WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR WHO'S ABOUT TO RETIRE, HAVE TO RETIRE.
THEY'RE ON THE DROP PROGRAM IN SEPTEMBER.
THEY HIT THE END OF THEIR DROP, AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE.
WE ARE GETTING A BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE SAME PRICE, ESSENTIALLY, THAT WE HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR.
THEN THE CHALLENGES, THE OPPORTUNITY CAME QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT IT MIGHT COME.
I WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND TIME WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THERE, LOAN SYSTEMS, AND PROCESSES.
THEN, WHEN THE INSPECTOR COMES OFF, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL'S SALARY WOULD BASICALLY BE INCORPORATED INTO THE UPCOMING BUDGET AND WOULD BE WITHIN $3,000, I THINK, OF THE OLD SALARY.
I WILL SAY, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE THE POTENTIAL OFFICIAL TO DO IS TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO KEEP UNIVERSAL ON THE PAYROLL, WHO IS OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL NOW AND DOING THE OVERLOAD IN TERMS OF INSPECTIONS, OR WHETHER IT'D BE CHEAPER AND MORE EFFECTIVE TO BRING ON A MORE JUNIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING UNIVERSAL.
BUT IT WOULD STAY IN LINE WITH THAT DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT BUILDING AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF POSITIVES TO THE CITY HAVING ITS OWN BUILDING OFFICIAL, ONE OF WHICH IS THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS AGREED TO GET FACE-CERTIFIED.
FACE IS THE CERTIFICATION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO DO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT WOULD MEAN THAT HE COULD DO CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND WE COULD UTILIZE ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO SPENDS HALF THE TIME DOING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HALF THE TIME DOING GIS.
WE HAVE A BACKLOG OF GIS WORK, BUT BECAUSE SHE SPENDS HALF THE TIME DOING CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE CAN'T CATCH THAT, SO IT WOULD ALLOW HER TO SPEND MORE TIME ON CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT GAP IS $36,000, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THAT.
EVEN IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T APPROVE THAT, WE WOULD LIKELY BE BACK HERE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT I CALL THE BURN RATE, WHICH IS HOW FAST THAT CONTRACT WITH UNIVERSAL IS BEING DRAWN DOWN, IS FASTER THAN IT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.
IF IT STAYS AT THE SAME RATE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW,
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BUT IF IT DOES STAY AT THE SAME RATE, WE'LL LIKELY RUN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF YEAR.THE OTHER ITEM, WHICH IS THE BIG TICKET ITEM, IS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, TOO.
WE HAVE A MAJOR REHAB PROJECT THERE.
WE BUDGETED MONEY FOR IT, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WITH THE COST OF FABRICATION AND LEAD TIMES, AND DELIVERY, THAT THE QUOTE WE ENDED UP GETTING TO IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT IS $743,000 MORE THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET ESTIMATE WAS.
WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT THE WATER FUND, THE RESERVES THERE, ARE STILL WELL FUNDED, AND IT IS TORY'S AND MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GET THIS WORK DONE.
IT WILL ONLY GET MORE EXPENSIVE THE LONGER WE PUT IT OFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT HAS GONE ON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP ON, AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR FACILITIES.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR AND COMMISSION, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-25-179.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-25-179.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION?
>> IF I COULD ADD ONE OTHER COMMENT.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND EITHER.
WE HAVE A SET-ASIDE DEDICATED FUND THAT IS COLLECTED FROM OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND BUILDING PERMITS, AND THAT FUND CAN ONLY BE USED TO FUND INSPECTORS.
THAT FUND IS ALSO WELL-FUNDED, AND SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A HIT TO THE GENERAL FUND.
>> BILL, BUT WHEN WE RAISE THE WATER RATE, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO?
>> IF WE WOULD RAISE WATER RATE, THAT WATER WOULD GO TO, WE HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND FOR THE WATER UTILITY, AND WE HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND FOR THE SEWER UTILITY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS WOULDN'T GO TO HELP PAY FOR THE FIXING?
>> THIS MONEY WOULD COME FROM THAT WATER FUND.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. THANKS.
>> YES. THAT WOULDN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND EITHER, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE FUND IN WHICH THE UTILITIES ARE PAID.
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
ITEM 10A, FLEET LANDING SIGN. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
[10.A. Fleet Landing Sign]
>> FORTUNATELY, FOR THIS ONE, I DON'T HAVE TO TALK, AND I GET TO ASK OUR PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOODS DIRECTOR [LAUGHTER] TO COME UP AND BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE FLEET LANDING SIGN.
>> GOOD EVENING. AGAIN, AMANDA ASKEW, NEIGHBORHOODS DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE A REQUEST BEFORE US TONIGHT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A MONUMENT SIGN IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THE CODE, SECTION 17-28B DOES ALLOW FOR OFF-SITE SUBDIVISION SIGNS OR DEVELOPMENT SIGNS, PROVIDED IT'S APPROVED BY COMMISSION.
THIS IS UP ON THE NORTHERN END OF MAYPORT ROAD AT THE ENTRANCE TO FLEET LANDING.
YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE THERE OF THE EXISTING SIGN.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PUT A NEW SIGN IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.
THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN IS A MATCH ARE SIMILAR TO OUR WELCOME TO ATLANTIC BEACH SIGNS IN LETTERING AND COMPOSITION.
THIS SIGN WOULD MEET THE CODE AS FAR AS HEIGHT AND WIDTH.
WE DO HAVE MAXIMUMS IN THE CODE SET UP FOR MONUMENT SIGNS.
IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUMS IN THE CODE.
IN 2011, COMMISSION APPROVED THE FLEET LANDING SIGN IN THIS EXACT SAME LOCATION, AND SO THIS IS JUST UPGRADING THAT EXISTING SIGN.
COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THIS OR DENY THIS REQUEST, OR APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.
>> I LIKE IT. [LAUGHTER] I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A NEW FLEET LANDING NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN.
>> I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, I'M LOOKING UP THE THING.
>> THERE'S NO NUMBERS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT I THINK IT BLENDS NICELY WITH THE KANGAROO STATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON A NON-ORDINANCE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
CITY ATTORNEY, I WOULD LIKE COMMENTS FROM YOU.
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>> I WILL POSTPONE MY PRESENTATION TO MAY 27TH.
CLOSING COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONER BOLE.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
>> I HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE CITY CLERK, SO $500 AN HOUR, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THROWING DOWN?
>> THAT'S MY RACK RATE, BUT I DO HAVE A GOVERNMENT DISCOUNT.
>> NOW THAT YOU BRING UP, [OVERLAPPING] I JUST WANT TO THROW DOWN THERE THAT I LIKE THAT.
>> I DO AGREE WITH HER COMMENTS, BY THE WAY.
>> WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? [NOISE] I SPOKE WAY TOO MUCH. I PASS.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> JUST ONE ITEM. I'LL BE OUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING IN BATON ROUGE WITH MY DAUGHTER.
>> I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY WHO I DIDN'T GET TO THE RESPONSE FOR.
I GOT OVERRUN BY THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES AND I HAD OTHER MEETINGS THIS MORNING, SO I HEARD YOU ALL.
THANK YOU FOR COMING. [LAUGHTER]
>> I KNOW. SORRY. [LAUGHTER] I DIDN'T FORGET. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
>> DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE EASTER EGG HUNT THIS SATURDAY AT 10:00 AM AT JORDAN PARK.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PATRIOTS MARKER DEDICATION AT THE VETERANS' PARK, THE SAME DAY AT 2:00 PM.
>> HOW MANY EGGS DO WE HAVE? SIX THOUSAND EGGS.
>> WE EXPECT FIVE SECONDS, YES.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I BEAT MR. GABRIEL IN THE OVER-UNDER ON WHAT TIME WE WOULD GET OUT.
I SAID TEN O'CLOCK, AND WE ARE 10 MINUTES TO 10:00.
>> MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT? WHO BEAT YOU BY A COUPLE OF MINUTES?
>> THIS IS TERRIBLE. THIS IS GOING INTO THE RECORDS THAT WE'RE BETTING ON THE OVER AND UNDER.
WELL, I LOST TO COMMISSIONER BOLE, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS TO KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR TREE CANOPY AND OUR STEWARDSHIP OF ALL THINGS ENVIRONMENTAL ON THIS ISLAND, SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT.
BUT I DO WANT THE CITIZENS TO CONSIDER THAT BIGGER IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, AND SO HOLDING THE LINE ON 11 MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, DEFEND WHY YOU'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE IF SIZE IS WHAT THE GOAL IS, THEN WHY NOT HAVE 13 MEMBERS OR 15.
IF 15, WHY NOT 20? WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT, BUT WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, WE CARE ABOUT OUR CITY, AND I'M SO VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS COMMISSION.
YOU GUYS ACTED, I THINK, VERY RESPONSIBLY TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS, MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.