[00:00:01] YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT. OKAY. WELCOME, RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS. [CALL TO ORDER] SORRY FOR THE DELAYED START, BUT WE'LL MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY. BEFORE WE OPEN OUR MEETING, WE HAVE AN INVOCATION AND A PLEDGE FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALMIGHTY GOD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, SEND DOWN THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY. THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY AND JUSTICE. THAT WITH STEADFAST PURPOSE WE MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN OUR OFFICES TO PROMOTE. PROMOTE THE WELL-BEING OF ALL PEOPLE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL. THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED MAY 12TH, 2025 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. CITY CLERK, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THANK YOU. MOVING DIRECTLY INTO THE AGENDA. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ITEM ONE A APPROVED MINUTES OF THE TOWN HALL HELD ON APRIL 5TH, 2025. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. THE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED. LET'S SEE. AND THAT'S IT ON THOSE NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS. [2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS] AND FOR THE VISITORS. A COUPLE OF RULES. WE ALLOW FIVE MINUTES AND I'M SORRY, DON, I DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT. HAVE YOU GOT IT SET FOR FIVE? YES. OKAY, SO EACH INDIVIDUAL CAN SPEAK UP TO FIVE MINUTES. YOU'LL SEE THE TIMER UP FRONT. IF YOU ARE APPROACHING FIVE MINUTES OR APPROACHING THE DEADLINE, YOU'LL NEED TO CUT IT SHORT. BUT THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE DAIS, TO THE COMMISSIONERS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. SO TURNING AROUND AND GETTING THE AUDIENCE ENGAGED IS NOT PART OF THE DEAL. SO JUST STAY FOCUSED ON THAT. AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED IN TO SPEAK? YES. EXCELLENT. OKAY. LET'S ROLL. CHRISTINE MICHELLE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M CHRISTINE MICHELLE, AND I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ADVOCATE FOR A CHANGE TO OUR CITY'S ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW BUSINESSES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS HEALTH CLUBS OR GYMS BY EXCEPTION IN AREAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SPACES. I AM PART OWNER, ALONG WITH MY PARTNERS ASHLEY AND CARRIE OF TRIPLE THREAT ATHLETES. TRIPLE THREAT ATHLETES IS A BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL TRAINING FACILITY WITH A STRONG FOCUS ON DEVELOPING YOUNG ATHLETES PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY, AND SPIRITUALLY. OUR BUSINESS WAS BIRTHED OUT OF OUR COMMON LOVE FOR THE SPORT OF BASEBALL, AND IT WAS FURTHER SOLIDIFIED BY EACH OF OUR BOYS PLAYING TOGETHER ON BASEBALL RIGHT HERE AT ATLANTIC BEACH ON THE ALL STAR TEAM. WE ARE THREE BASEBALL MOMS WHO SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS EVERY WEEK RIGHT ACROSS THE PARKING LOT HERE, HELPING OUR CHILDREN GROW AND DEVELOP INTO WELL-ROUNDED CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT CITY. WHAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR TONIGHT IS A COMMON SENSE UPDATE THAT WILL REFLECT THE EVOLVING NATURE OF HOW WE LIVE, WORK, AND MAINTAIN OUR WELL-BEING. IT'S NOT A RADICAL REQUEST. IN FACT, OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ALREADY PERMIT FITNESS CLUBS LIKE OUR BUSINESS AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE OWNED BY EXCEPTION. THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ZONES, WITH THEIR LARGE, ADAPTABLE SPACES, ARE OFTEN IDEALLY SUITED FOR MODERN FITNESS FACILITIES WITHOUT DISRUPTING THE CORE INDUSTRIAL PURPOSE OF THE AREA, ALLOWING HEALTH CLUBS BY EXCEPTION WE GIVE OUR CITY THE FLEXIBILITY TO CONSIDER SUCH PROPOSALS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AND IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY REZONE ANY PROPERTIES. IT EMPOWERS THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS WHEN A BUSINESS DESIGNATED AS A HEALTH CLUB OR GYM COULD BE A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THE AREA. THIS POTENTIAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE CLEAR. THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES PROVIDE MORE THAN JUST IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR HEALTH. THEY OFFER OPPORTUNITIES FOR WELLNESS, SOCIAL CONNECTION, YOUTH PROGRAMING, AND EVEN JOB CREATION. WE HOPE TO BUILD OUR BUSINESS IN THE LEVEE ROAD CORRIDOR, AND THERE'S ALREADY A STRONG NEED AND INTEREST FOR MORE ACCESSIBLE HEALTH AND WELLNESS FACILITIES. OUR BUSINESS IN PARTICULAR WOULD SERVE NOT JUST ATHLETES, BUT ALSO PARENTS, COACHES, LOCAL SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES. IT WOULD CREATE JOBS. IT WOULD KEEP FAMILIES SPENDING TIME AND MONEY RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY, AND WOULD GIVE OUR YOUNG ATHLETES A CHANCE TO GROW AND THEN GROW IN THEIR SKILLS IN A SAFE [00:05:06] AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CLOSE TO HOME. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS CHANGE DOESN'T COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ZONING FRAMEWORK. IT SIMPLY ALIGNS US WITH SURROUNDING CITIES LIKE JACKSONVILLE, NEPTUNE BEACH, AND JACKSONVILLE BEACH THAT ARE USING ZONING. AS WE ARE SUGGESTING IN ATLANTIC BEACH TO DO. WE ARE A REALLY TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY, AND FOR MANY OF US, BASEBALL IS MORE THAN JUST A GAME. IT'S TRADITION. IT'S KIDS LEARNING DISCIPLINE AND TEAMWORK. IT'S FAMILIES GETTING TOGETHER ON THE WEEKENDS. IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORS CHEERING YOUR KIDS ON. AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE YOUNG ATHLETES WHO ARE TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY TO GET ACCESS TO THE KIND OF TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY COULD AND SHOULD BE GETTING RIGHT HERE AT HOME. SO IN SHORT, THIS IS A BALANCED, RESPONSIBLE AND COMMUNITY ORIENTED PROPOSAL, AND I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS CHANGE AS A WAY TO SUPPORT BOTH PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC VITALITY, AND TO HELP MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD IN A POSITIVE AND INCLUSIVE WAY. WE'D LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN FOR OUR BUSINESS TO BE A SMALL PART OF BRINGING ANOTHER BASEBALL STATE TITLE TO ATLANTIC BEACH. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU ALL. EITHER OF THE OTHERS WANT TO SPEAK? THEIR HERE FOR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAROLYN [INAUDIBLE]. CITY MANAGER AND CLERK. MY NAME AND MY WELL, MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD, AND I'M REALLY HERE AS AN ATTORNEY, BECAUSE I CLOSELY READ THE ATTACHMENT TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH WAS TO HAVE HAD THE MOST CURRENT REVISIONS TO ORDINANCE 124 AND I FOUND TWO ERRORS, ONE OF WHICH I BELIEVE HAS BEEN REVISED. BUT EVEN WITH THE REVISION, I BELIEVE DOES NOT LEGALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE SECTION SPECIFICALLY, AT THE LAST MEETING, I ADVOCATED A REVISION TO SECTION 2356, WHICH WAS PAGE 19 OF 93 OF TODAY'S AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED. AND APPARENTLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A NEW PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND IT WOULD BE AT PAGE SEVEN OF 14. AND I SUGGESTED AT THE LAST MEETING. AND THERE WAS CONSENSUS OF THAT GROUP. AND I BELIEVE THAT LETTER IS IN THE RECORD OF LAST MEETING. AND I HAVE ANOTHER COPY TODAY AT ONCE TO DISTRIBUTE IT. I'LL GIVE IT TO THE CLERK RIGHT NOW. I READ THE ORDINANCE DID NOT INCLUDE. THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISION WAS SO THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO WAY INPUT BY BOTH THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITY MANAGER, AS WELL AS BY THE ESC, THAT EACH WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS AS TO GOALS THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITY MANAGER, AND THAT WOULD HAVE AND I GAVE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE IN THE NEW AGENDA PROPOSAL, WHICH IS IN BLUE, THAT LANGUAGE WOULD STILL BE THERE. I UNDERSTAND WAS INFORMED. AND THANK YOU, MR. COMBS. TELL ME RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT THAT THERE WAS A MEETING OF THE ESA AND STAFF WHICH DECIDED TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAD SUGGESTED. SO I HAD TO READ IT AGAIN WITH MY EYES AS A LAWYER AND IN DRAFTING ORDINANCES OR ANY OR ANY ORDER, YOU'LL HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE PEOPLE IN POWER WILL NO LONGER BE IN POWER NEXT MEETING. AND THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL BE DIFFERENT. SO ON ITS OWN, WHEN YOU READ SECTION 2356, WITHOUT THE LANGUAGE, THAT WOULD GIVE BOTH THE CITY COMMISSIONER AND CITY MANAGER AND OR THE ESC THE RIGHT TO SUGGEST ROLES, ONLY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, ONLY THE COMMISSION HAS THE RIGHT TO SET GOALS. IT'S A ONE WAY STREET. IT'S NOT A TWO WAY STREET. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A JOINT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS BETWEEN THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE ESC, BUT NOT ONLY THE CITY COMMISSION ARE SUGGESTED GOALS AND PROJECTS, BUT ESC ON ITS OWN MIGHT HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. [00:10:08] AND OF COURSE, SUBJECT TO THE PASSAGE AND THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COMMISSION. SO FROM MY READING OF THE NEWEST VERSION AFTER THE MEETING AFTER YOU ALL HAVE BEEN MEETING IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT TWO WAY, IT'S ONLY ONE WAY, AND THAT'S FINE. VERY STRONG LEGAL OPINION ON THAT. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. SO IF SECTION 2356 IS APPROVED NEXT WEEK. WITH THAT THIRD SENTENCE THAT I SUGGESTED AND MY APRIL 28TH EMAIL, THAT THIRD SENTENCE REMOVED, IT IS NOT A TWO WAY STREET. THE ESC WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LEGALLY MAKE SUGGESTIONS AS TO PROJECTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE INTENT IS. MY SECOND POINT AND I'M HOPING THAT THE CLERICAL ERROR WAS REVISED ON PAGE 20 SECTION 2358, WHERE THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR, SCRIVENER ERROR, TO BE CORRECTED BY ADDING THE WORD APPROVED UNDER APPOINTMENTS ASPECTS. BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SISSER. SARAH BOREN. SARAH BOREN. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'LL MAKE THIS REAL QUICK. SO I'M NOT A LAWYER. SO AND I THINK THAT I REPRESENT ALL OF ESC WHEN I SAY THAT IF BASICALLY WE DEFER TO THE LEGALESE THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLICIT IN THE ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT WE'D LIKE A TWO WAY STREET, WE'D LOVE THAT TO BE CLARIFIED. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER. OH, SORRY. BACKING UP, I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO BILL AND STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH US DURING A VERY BUSY WEEK. AND SITTING DOWN AND LISTENING TO KIND OF OUR ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS AND IDEAS. SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CONSIDER THEM AND ADD THEM TO YOUR AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK WE ARRIVED ON A COUPLE NEW THINGS, LIKE ABOUT ATTENDANCE AND FORUM, THAT HADN'T BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE. AND THEN FINALLY, JUST A SMALL LITTLE THING THAT I NOTICED POST ALL THIS WAS AND I DON'T, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T WRITE THE SECTION, BUT BASICALLY I THINK IT'S UNDER IT'S F7, IT SAYS F7 SAYS SHALL NOT CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES, WHICH WE'RE ALL, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH. BUT THEN LATER IT SAYS CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE. SO IT JUST KIND OF CONFLICTS THOSE A SMALL WORD AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE DIRECTLY TO THE NEXT ITEM. WE HAVE ITEM 2A, PUBLIC WORKS WEEK PROCLAMATION. I'M GOING TO READ THIS RATHER QUICKLY, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT. SO I EXECUTE THIS. THIS IS A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES PROVIDED IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR CITIZENS EVERYDAY LIVES, AND WHEREAS THE SUPPORT OF AN UNDERSTANDING AND INFORMED CITIZENRY IS VITAL TO THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF PUBLIC WORKS SYSTEMS AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS STREETS AND STORMWATER, BEACHES, SANITATION, PARKS AND BUILDING MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPE AND BEAUTIFICATION. AND WHEREAS, THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND COMFORT OF THIS COMMUNITY GREATLY DEPENDS ON THESE FACILITIES AND SERVICES. AND WHEREAS THE QUALITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THEIR PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS VITALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE EFFORTS AND SKILL OF PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS. AND WHEREAS, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE QUALIFIED AND DEDICATED PERSONNEL WHO STAFF, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS MATERIALLY INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THEY PERFORM. AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR'S THEME, ADVANCING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL SPEAKS TO THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES IN SUPPORT OF EVERYDAY QUALITY OF LIFE. NOW, THEREFORE, I, CURTIS FORD, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH THROUGH MAY 24TH, 2025 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. [00:15:01] MAY I PRESENT THIS TO RICK? FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HALF AN HOUR, RICK. OKAY. LET'S SEE. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM THREE. [3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS] CITY MANAGER REPORTS. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. YEAH. LET ME GET TO THE 90 DAY CALENDAR. SO BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE EVENTS OVER THE 90 DAYS, IT ALSO HAS THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS WHICH HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED AS WELL AS THE REMAINING TWO TOWN HALLS. THE NEXT ONE IS JULY 19TH AT THE BAKER COMMUNITY CENTER. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR, BUT I BELIEVE YOU ALL GOT AN INVITE FOR TODAY, WHICH IS MAY 20TH AT 10 A.M.. THE LIFEGUARD STATION WILL BE A GRAND OPENING FOR THAT. AND I ALSO, IT IS NOT ON THE CALENDAR BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT AGREED TO IT YET, BUT I WOULD LIKE IF A COMMISSION IS CAPABLE ON MONDAY, JUNE 16TH, WHICH IS THE THIRD MONDAY IN JUNE, I'D LIKE TO DO A WORKSHOP TO PRESENT THE DRAFT VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE A TIME SCHEDULE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IN TERMS OF ACHIEVING OUR GRANT DELIVERABLES BY AUGUST 1ST. SO IF THAT TIME WORKS IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OF THAT TIME WORKS FOR A WORKSHOP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF NOT, WHAT TIME OF THE DAY IS IT? 6 P.M. 6 P.M.. I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN THAT WEEK, BUT I'M OKAY IF I'M NOT HERE. I'M OKAY. SO WHAT DAY AGAIN? IT IS JUNE 16TH. IT'S THE THIRD MONDAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S NOT ON THE CALENDAR. RIGHT YET. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ADD TO THE CALENDAR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GRANT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WILL HAVE THE LIFEGUARD STATION ADDED AND THE WORKSHOPS ADDED TO THE NEXT 90 DAY CALENDAR. WITH THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FOR MAY 25TH THROUGH JULY 25TH. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR? DO YOU HAVE ACCEPTANCE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I THINK THAT ENDS IT FOR ME TONIGHT. OKAY. WELL, NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT FOR THIS SESSION. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT FREE TO MOVE ABOUT THE CABIN. STAY RIGHT HERE. LET'S MOVE TO REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE. [4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS] [12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER] YEAH. TWO QUICK THINGS. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT DANCING IN THE STREETS IS COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. LOVE TO SEE YOU OUT THERE. SUPPORT BEACHES, TOWN CENTER AGENCY. NUMBER TWO. BILL WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES TONIGHT. SURE. IF WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES, ONE THING I KNOW YOU DO THIS, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH LIABILITIES OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, I THINK IT'S WORTH GOING THROUGH. I MENTIONED YOU, CITY ATTORNEY GOING THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, FACT CHECKING THAT WE'RE COVERING OUR SIX ON ALL OF THOSE. SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD. WELL THE LAST BECAUSE I YEAH. SO YEAH, I APPROVED THE DANCING IN THE STREET PERMIT TODAY. AND THEY HAVE THE INSURANCE COVERAGE THAT THE CITY RECOMMENDS AND OUR POLICE FORCE WILL BE OUT THERE SUPPORTING. I THINK. RIGHT. ANYWAY, IT'S A GOOD EVENT. THE OTHER THING, BECAUSE I'M GOING FOR MOST UNPOPULAR COMMISSIONER THIS MONTH, WHICH I THINK I'M IN THE FRONT. I DID A LITTLE AI WORK ON WHAT WE PAY OUR CITY COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT WE PAY OUR MAYOR. OKAY. THESE ARE. THESE ARE NUMBERS. OKAY. WE ARE IN THE BOTTOM 8% OF FLORIDA CITIES. OKAY? WE'RE IN THE BOTTOM 4% OF CITIES OUR SIZE, RIGHT. I KNOW KEVIN DID SOME WORK. I WOULD I RAN UNOPPOSED AS DID THE MAYOR. YOU DEFINITELY CAN GET SOMEBODY BETTER THAN ME. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A MONEY ISSUE, BUT IT COULD BE MOTIVATING TO SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE THIS POSITION. SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS COMMISSION, BUT IN THE FUTURE. OKAY, I WILL PUT AN EFFECTIVE DATE AFTER I GET THROUGH THIS LIABILITY. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE PAYING OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. DID RICK LEAVE? RICK MADE MORE MONEY BY 120% TODAY THAN YOU ALL MADE IN A MONTH. [00:20:07] OKAY. JUST THE MATH. SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PAY YOU KNOW THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE BENEFITS. I'M NOT GOING THERE. THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE ALL KINDS OF STUFF. BUT YOU KNOW I THINK WE'VE HAD QUALITY AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY THAT WE'VE HAD THE QUALITY OF COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO I'M GOING TO HELP, I HOPE, PRODUCE AN ORDINANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKE I SAID, NOT THIS ONE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND SEE WHAT WE SEE WHERE WE GO. SO IF I MAY I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT ON THAT. I IT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF MINE. BUT WE DON'T NEED AN ORDINANCE I DON'T BELIEVE TO START THIS PROCESS. WE MIGHT NEED AN ORDINANCE TO FULFILL IT. BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME, IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE SO INCLINED, YOU MIGHT ASK FOR CONSENSUS THAT WE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE THAT THROUGH HR AND REPORT BACK TO US AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY REPORT IN TWO WEEKS AND THEN A FINAL IN FOUR WEEKS, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN MAYOR. AND IT'S EMBARRASSING. AND YOU COULD JUST PICK THE MEDIAN, YOU KNOW, PICK THE MEDIAN OF A CITY, 14,000 PEOPLE, AND YOU CAN GIVE ONE STANDARD DEVIATION ANOTHER EITHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I BELIEVE THAT BILL GULLIFORD MENTIONED THIS DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW. LOOPING IT WITH THE WAS IT THE CPI INDEX THAT COJ DOES IT. SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T TAKE ANOTHER VOTE? YEAH. SO MY RECOLLECTION JASON CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS COJ PEGS THEIRS TO THE COUNTY. SO THE STATE SETS THE COUNTY OFFICIALS RATE. AND WHAT COJ DOES IS THEY TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT. AND SO IF THE STATE CHANGES THE COUNTY OFFICIAL RATE THEN THE RATE CHANGES AUTOMATICALLY BASED OFF WHATEVER PERCENTAGE IT IS. AND THEORETICALLY THAT COULD BE UP OR DOWN RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN WE CAN GET A MEDIAN AND TAKE A LOOK, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD RETAIN THE FREEDOM OF NOT TYING IT SPECIFICALLY TO. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I'M SORRY. YEAH. JASON. OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THERE'S THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. WE CAN CERTAINLY GET IT BUT AND THEN THERE'S AN ALSO I THINK THERE'S ALSO A YEARLY CPI RELATED INCREASE. AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS PUT IN PLACE. LIKE SOME PEOPLE, YOU CAN ACCEPT IT, IT'S BY AUTOMATION OR YOU CAN REJECT IT, BUT THERE IS A YEARLY INCREASE AS WELL. AND JUST LIKE COJ, I JUST WATCHED COUNCILMAN RORY DIAMOND DENY HIS INCREASE. THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO. YEAH, THEY BUILT THAT. THEY AMENDED IT TO BUILD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO REJECT IT IF THEY WANTED TO. ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS ON AN AS AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S GOOD. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT ROGER, THEY GOT THAT MONEY AND THEY DONATED TO A CHARITY. RIGHT. AND THEY JUST FUNNELED IT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT AND TO BE REPRESENTED ABSOLUTELY IN THE IN THE RIGHT WAY. WELL COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD ON BRINGING BACK A PLAN ON THIS? SURE, SURE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND IT'S TIMELY. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND. AS I LOOK AT THIS COMMISSION, I DON'T THINK ANY ONE OF US IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE IF WE DON'T GET A RAISE. BUT I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S PROFESSIONALISM THAT WE KEEP THOSE COMMISSIONER SALARIES IN LINE WITH OTHER, LIKE, CITIES. AND THEN I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD SERVE. BUT FOR THE LACK OF FUNDING CAN'T EVEN PAY A BABYSITTER TO BE HERE ON COMMISSION NIGHT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING AND MOVE FORWARD ON AND SPECIFICALLY. AND I THINK PART OF THIS CHARGE MR. KILLINGSWORTH, IS TO PUT INTO PLACE AUTOMATION OF SOME SORT TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON FUTURE CHANGES BECAUSE IT WON'T WILL NEVER OCCUR WITH THE COMMISSION OR COUNCIL IS VERY UNLIKELY TO TALK ABOUT VOTING AN INCREASE IN SALARY FOR THEMSELVES. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GRANT. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY. YOU KNOW, JUST REMIND PEOPLE THAT I SAW ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE CITY TALKING ABOUT THE THOR LIGHTNING DETECTION SYSTEM. THAT'S A VERY GOOD ADDITION. I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE STAFF ON PUSHING THAT FORWARD. WE ALREADY HAVE TWO, I THINK, DETECTION TOWERS. AND SO NOW WE'LL HAVE FOUR IN ADDITION TO, I THINK THE CLUB ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTRY CLUB HAS 2 OR 3. SO I THINK THE BEACHES IS VERY WELL COVERED IN TERMS OF HEARING, BEING ABLE TO HEAR THAT HORN. [00:25:07] AND I RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HEAR THAT HORN, TO PLEASE GET OFF THE BEACH. BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD SYSTEM. IT, IT GIVES EVERYBODY YOU CAN SET THESE DETECTION SYSTEMS FOR DIFFERENT RANGES. IT GIVES YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO GET OFF THE BEACH. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY. SO WE'VE HAD A LOVELY SPRING, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN OUTSIDE ENJOYING THE WEATHER, AND NOW THE RAINS ARE BACK. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY IN THE, IN OUR VISION GOAL SETTING PROCESS. SO IT'S TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY FOR WHATEVER THE WATER WILL BRING US NEXT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER KELLY, I THINK YOU FORGOT SOMETHING. WHAT? YOU HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT WONDERFUL PLANTING AT THE ENTRANCE TO OUR CITY ON SEMINOLE ROAD. THE. IS IT WONDERFUL? I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. OH, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN. OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT, SO AS WE ALL KNOW, COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS CHAMPIONED THE REDO OF THAT INTERSECTION FOR HOW MANY YEARS? SEVEN. IT'S ONLY PARTIALLY DONE, BUT IT'S LOOKING GOOD WITH THE BIG TREES IN AND MORE TO COME. SO CONGRATULATIONS. YOU FULFILLED THAT. COMMISSIONER RING. SO LAST WEDNESDAY, I ATTENDED THE BEACHES WATCH MEETING ALONGSIDE COMMISSIONER KELLY AND MAYOR FORD AND SOME OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS. I WANTED TO JUST PUBLICLY THANK FORMER CITY MANAGER OF JAX BEACH, GEORGE FORBES, WHO CHAMPIONED THE ILA BACK IN, I BELIEVE, THE 80S. AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR FORMER MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILMAN, BILL GULLIFORD. IT WAS INCREDIBLY INSIGHTFUL. IT THOSE ARE RECORDED, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND ANYONE TO WATCH THOSE IF YOU MISSED IT. IT TOOK US ALL THE WAYS BACK TO THE 60S. THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED AND HOW WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I KNOW IT'S ON OUR AGENDA TO DISCUSS THE FIRE SERVICES. AND THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE ILA. SO I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT HISTORY LESSON. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS DURING MY COMMISSION REPORTS IS THESE FINE YOUNG LADIES HERE WHO BROUGHT UP THE TRIPLE THREAT ATHLETES. IN ESSENCE, THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN A BATTING CAGE INTO 155 LEVY ROAD. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN APPROVAL THROUGH THEIR OWNER OF THE BUILDING WHO OWNS ALL OF THOSE WAREHOUSES. BUT AS THEY MENTIONED, THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE THAT THEY PROPOSE, IT ALLOWS GYM AND HEALTH CLUBS TO OPERATE IN THAT LIW. SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS USE BY EXCEPTION, BUT OTHERS. WE HAVE A FEW IN THE AREA, ROCK GYM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR WAY TO GET ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD. YOU CAN ALSO SEE TONS OF CROSSFIT GYMS THAT ARE OPERATING OUT OF THOSE WAREHOUSES. I THINK THIS FITS RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT. I LOVE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IN ATLANTIC BEACH. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IN MY DISTRICT SO I FULLY SUPPORT THEM. ONE THIRD THING I WANT TO BRING HOME. THREE WEDNESDAYS AGO, APRIL 30TH. THERE WERE FIVE COYOTE ATTACKS, FOUR OF WHICH ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED RIGHT ON MY STREET, ONE THAT HAPPENED IN MY FRONT YARD AND FOUR OF WHICH ENDED IN BITES OF A HUMAN. THE FIFTH WAS A DOG WHO WAS BADLY INJURED. I WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO CHIEF VICK GUALILLO AND HIS AB POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY CAME OUT FAST AND QUICK, AND THEY TOOK OUT THAT DISEASED ANIMAL. AND FWC ALSO ACTED VERY QUICKLY. MY CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY MANAGER WAS THERE BY THE PHONE THE MORNING I CALLED. AND WE EVEN HAD THE FEDS HERE. USDA SENT UP DRONES THURSDAY NIGHT, SO I FEEL PROTECTED. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS DO AS WELL, BUT THE THREATS NOT OVER. NO ONE PICKED UP A RABID COYOTE AND DROPPED THEM OFF ON BEGONIA STREET. IT'S STILL LOCATED. IT'S STILL RABIES IS STILL IN OUR WILDLIFE OVER THERE. SO THE ALERT STILL STANDS FOR 60 TOTAL DAYS. SO I WANT TO SEND OUT ANOTHER PSA. VACCINATE YOUR ANIMALS, VACCINATE YOUR CATS, BRING THEM INSIDE, VACCINATE YOUR DOGS, AND KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL UNDER THAT [00:30:02] RABIES ALERT. SO I WANTED TO THANK THEM ALL FOR THEIR TIME AND THEIR ATTENTION IN THAT MATTER. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. YES. IT WAS. THAT WAS A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE FOR YOU AND YOUR GIRLS. AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO CHIEF VICK AND CITY MANAGER FOR HANDLING THAT SO WELL. AND I'VE RECEIVED COMMUNICATIONS FROM SOME CITIZENS CONCERNED ABOUT BEING PROPERLY HANDLING THIS IN FAVOR OF RELOCATING WILDLIFE, IF POSSIBLE AND SO ON. AND, AND WE CERTAINLY WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS I HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THAT ONE I WILL AGREE WITH YOU. THE COYOTE. I HATE TO SAY IT, THE COYOTE CAME OUT OF THE WOODS AT THE WRONG TIME BECAUSE WE HAD A POLICE OFFICER THERE WHO WAS A CRACK SHOT AND ONE BULLET TOOK OUT THAT COYOTE, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY. HOPEFULLY THERE WON'T BE MORE, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION TO THE CITIZENS WATCHING OR HERE TONIGHT, WE ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL COMMUNICATIONS, ONE FROM FWC AND ANOTHER ONE FROM ANOTHER ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUP LAUDING THE CITY AND COMPLIMENTING THE CITY ON THEIR ACTION, BUT ALSO THE PLAN. SO WE DO HAVE A COYOTE MANAGEMENT PLAN IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, AND IT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE THIS EVENT. SO KUDOS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR DOING THAT AND THEN FOLLOWING THE PLAN AND ENGAGING THE RIGHT PEOPLE. SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER INCIDENT. BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER, AND I HOPE THE GIRLS ARE OKAY FROM THAT EVENT. I JUST WANT TO THANK MY HUSBAND FOR LEAVING OUT THOSE BOOTS SO I CAN FEND MYSELF OFF AND MY DOG FROM THAT COYOTE ATTACK. BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LEAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER OUTSIDE. OH, LESSON LEARNED, MAYOR, LESSON LEARNED. VERY GOOD. I DID WANT TO SAY FOR THE REQUEST ON THE LEVY ROAD HEALTH CLUB FOR BASEBALL. YEAH. AFTER STUDYING IT AND LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES I WOULD SEE NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T MAKE ALLOW FOR USE BY EXCEPTION FOR THAT TYPE OF USE IN IL ZONING. SPECIFICALLY, AND FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING BY USE BY EXCEPTION DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ALWAYS GRANTED. SO IT'S STILL A REQUEST THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO USE THAT USE BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT, THE FUTURE APPLICANTS ON THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A LOCATION THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON LEVY ROAD. SO IT'S NOT DEEP INTO THE IL ZONING, WHICH IS NORTH OF LEVY ROAD IN THAT SECTION OF THE CITY. BUT IT IS A DESIRABLE LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S VISIBILITY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING AND SO ON. SO I HOPE THAT IN FACT, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS COMMISSION NOW, IF YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT AND FEEL SO INCLINED, COULD WE GIVE CONSENSUS TO THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH CDB. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE FIRST THING FIRST CDB HAS TO REVIEW THIS AND REFER BACK THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY. DO WE HAVE THAT CONSENSUS? I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN WRITING. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. I WANT TO MENTION WE'RE OPENING UP BOARD MEMBER REVIEW THIS THURSDAY. WE HAVE CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THROUGHOUT ALL FOUR DISTRICTS. THIS IS FOR BACKFILLING THE VACANCIES WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE. WE NOW HAVE CANDIDATES FROM 1312, OR WE HAVE A CANDIDATE FROM 1312. WE HAVE A CANDIDATE FROM 1307. AND WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF CANDIDATES FROM 1306 AND MAYBE 1308. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THURSDAY IS WE'RE GOING TO SELECT CANDIDATES, PROBABLY IF THEY INTERVIEW PROPERLY. PROBABLY, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC ON THE TWO THAT HAVE A SINGLE CANDIDATE TO FULFILL OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT. ON THE OTHER. WE ONLY ARE GOING TO FILL THREE. ASSUMING WE PASS OUR ORDINANCE ON THE 27TH. SO THE OTHERS WE WOULD ONLY SELECT ONE FROM THE GROUP OF AT LARGE. SO WHAT WE'LL DO ON THURSDAY IS WE'LL RANK ORDER THOSE CANDIDATES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND BASED ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THE 27TH ON THAT ORDINANCE, WE WILL THEN MAKE THE FINAL SELECTION BASED ON A RANK ORDERING RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION. IT IS YOUR FINAL DECISION WHO WE PUT ON THAT COMMITTEE. SO UPDATE COMPLETED ON THAT. HAD SOMETHING ELSE THAT I MAY HAVE TO COME BACK [00:35:02] TO. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE IT. SO WE'LL CONCLUDE ITEM FOUR REPORTS FROM [5.A. Environmental Stewardship Committee (ESC) Ordinance & Proposed Amendments] COMMISSIONERS AND MOVE TO ITEM 5A, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE, ORDINANCE AND PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. MISTER KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. SO LAST COMMISSION MEETING YOU ASKED I GUESS COMMISSIONER RING ASKED IF I COULD MEET WITH AH ESC. I WAS HERE ONE DAY LAST WEEK, AND WE MET AT 8:00 ON THAT 8:00 IN THE MORNING ON THAT ONE DAY. I THINK WE MET FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. AND AT LEAST IT'S MY BELIEF THAT IN GENERAL, WE CAME UP WITH SOME CONSENSUS LANGUAGE. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE HANDOUT ONLY HAS ONE SET OF PAGE NUMBERINGS ON IT, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONFUSION. AND IT IS THE UNDERLYING STRIKETHROUGH THAT YOU SEE IN RED IS THAT ALL THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU CURRENTLY BY CONSENSUS OF AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WHAT YOU WILL SEE AS I GET TO IT WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, WHICH WILL BE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE MEMBERS THAT WERE FROM ESC WHO ATTENDED, THERE WERE THREE MEMBERS WHO WERE ABLE TO ATTEND AND STAFF CAME TO AN AGREEMENT ON. SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL TAKE YOU STRAIGHT TO PAGE FOUR, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHERE THE FIRST BLUE HIGHLIGHTED ITEM IS. AND SO IN THERE PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAD TAKEN OUT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAD APPEALS GOING TO ESC AS A WHOLE WITH THE LAST ROUND OF CHANGES IN THE CONSENSUS TO LEAVE THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, THERE WAS AN ASK THAT THE APPEALS ONLY GO TO THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE AND NOT GO TO ESC AS A WHOLE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ESC MEMBERS THERE WAS TO DO THAT. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A UNDERLINED HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, WHICH ADDS THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE BACK IN. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES IN THAT SAME SECTION IS IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S NOT THE FINAL ACTION OF THE OF THE CITY. SO WHAT IT SAYS IS THE ADMINISTRATOR, UPON CONSIDERING THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, SHALL ISSUE OR DENY A PERMIT. SO IT'S IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE APPEALS A RECOMMENDATION AND NOT THE FINAL ACTION. WHAT MAKES THAT IMPORTANT IS IF IT'S THE FINAL ACTION, THEN ARGUABLY WHOEVER SITS ON THAT, WHETHER IT'S ESC AS A WHOLE OR THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, IS THEN SUBJECT TO FORM ONE FILING BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FINAL ACTION. SO THIS WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT THE FINAL ACTION. THEY'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE ADMINISTRATOR. SO DO, MR. MAYOR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH AND HAVE QUESTIONS ON EACH ONE OR WE JUST WANT? I THINK WE WOULD TAKE THEM AS WE GO, IF YOU HAVE ANY. DID WE JUST KEEP THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE OTHER THE OUTREACH AND THE SUSTAINABILITY? THE OTHER COMMITTEES, WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD LEAVE THEM OUT, SO IT'S JUST THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE. ON PAGE SEVEN YOU'LL SEE WE PUT BACK PARKS IN TERMS OF THE I GUESS WHAT THEY CALL THE FOUR PILLARS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT PASSIVE IS STRUCK THROUGH AND THEN THE CAPITAL P IS PUT BACK IN PARKS. AND THEN DOWN ON SECTION 23-56, I THINK THIS IS WHERE MS. SISSER WAS COMMENTING. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS THE SENTENCE. WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW? I'M ON PAGE SEVEN, SO IT'S UNDER SECTION 23-56. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SO THAT SCOPE OF ACTIVITY SAYS THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN ANNUAL JOINT COMMISSION AND ESC WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE COMMITTEE'S PRIORITIES AND ANNUAL WORK PLAN. SO WHEN THIS LAST SENTENCE WAS LOOKED AT, IT WAS AND UPON REQUEST BY THE CITY COMMISSION OR CITY MANAGER SHALL PROVIDE WRITTEN RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS. THE GROUP, ESC AND STAFF KIND OF FELT THAT THAT WAS DUPLICATIVE, THAT THE FIRST SENTENCE COVERED EVERYTHING THAT THE SCOPE OF ACTIVITIES NEEDED TO COVER IN THAT ESC SHALL PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITY MANAGER. [00:40:01] SO AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE COMMENT THERE WOULD HAVE ADDED OR SC BUT IN STRIKING THE SENTENCE THEN THAT COMMENT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DISCUSS. BUT I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A TWO WAY CONVERSATION AND THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE AN ANNUAL JOINT COMMISSION AND SC WORKSHOP WHERE THEY WILL DISCUSS PRIORITIES IN THE ANNUAL WORK PLAN. AND THEN IT SAYS THE CITY COMMISSION WILL PRIORITIZE THE COMMITTEE'S WORK PLAN RELATED TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T SEE THAT AS ALL INCLUSIVE, JUST THAT THE COMMISSION WILL SET WHATEVER THE PRIORITIES ARE. I SUPPORT IT AS WRITTEN HERE. AS WRITTEN IN THIS NOW. YEAH, I LET ME JUST LET'S ADDRESS THIS RIGHT HERE. I THINK THE ISSUE IS, DO WE HAVE A TWO WAY COMMUNICATION? AND I THINK THAT CLEARLY IF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THAT RIGHT THERE SAYS THEY'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVING GUIDANCE. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CITY COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY PRIORITIZE THE COMMITTEE'S WORK PLAN. SO I THINK WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR. AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FINAL ARBITER HERE. AND IF WE'RE SPENDING MONEY OR PRIORITY IN THE CITY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE ELECTED US TO DO. SURE. OKAY, THANKS. IF WE GO ON TO PAGE EIGHT WE PUT BACK IN PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, SO YOU'LL SEE PASSIVE STRUCT THROUGH AND THEN A CAPITAL P RE-INSERTED. OKAY. IF WE GO. SO THAT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ESC THE INTENT THERE IS THAT IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND NOT PRIVATE PROPERTIES, AND THEY AGREE. I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT. CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THE COMPUTER WAS FIRST MISTAKING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND AMANDA WAS THINKING RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPING, AND SHE DIDN'T WANT [INAUDIBLE] YEAH. OKAY. IF WE GO TO PAGE NINE. SO THIS IS THE MEMBERSHIP IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ESC THAT THE QUOTA WAS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF FILLED SEATS. SO IT'S ONE HALF OF THE FILLED SEATS OF THE COMMITTEE SHALL CONSTITUTE A QUORUM. AND THEN ONE HALF OF THE FILLED SEATS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE NEEDED TO AFFIRM OR FAIL AN ITEM. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF THE COMMISSION SETS THE OR WE CAN USE 11 AS A, AS IT IS NOW, YOU WOULD NEED, WHAT, SIX MEMBERS THERE. BUT IF YOU ONLY HAD SIX MEMBERS SHOW UP AND THAT MET THE BARE MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR THE QUORUM, YOU WOULD NEED SIX MEMBERS TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING. IF THE IF IT'S NINE MEMBERS, THEN YOU WOULD NEED FIVE MEMBERS FOR A QUORUM AND FIVE MEMBERS TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING. SO THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE KIND OF SETTLED ON THERE. YOU WANT ME TO. I UNDERSTAND IT. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT PART ESC AND I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITH I PUT THE LANGUAGE IN HERE. THEY WANTED TO LEAVE IT THREE YEAR TERMS. THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS, BUT I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT THERE WAS A STICKING POINT ON LAST TIME. IT WAS A TWO-TWO VOTE. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO. YEAH, LET'S THAT WAS THE ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOLVED TONIGHT. NOW THAT THERE'S FIVE OF US WE COULD DO A CONSENSUS ON THIS. ONCE AGAIN, DO WE WANT TO STAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF TWO, FOUR YEAR TERMS, OR DO WE WANT TO REVERT BACK TO THE OLD POLICY OF THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS? OKAY, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF ONE YEAR, BUT IT'S BREAKING THE TERMS DOWN TO SHORTER LENGTHS. AND I THINK THE THINKING WAS FROM SOME PERHAPS MS. BOREN THAT PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNNERVED BY COMMITMENTS OF FOUR YEARS AT A STRETCH. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S VALID OR NOT, BUT I GET IT. AND SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE. AND THEN THE NEXT ISSUE, I THINK, IS WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REELECTION TO A, [00:45:02] TO THIS COMMITTEE ONCE THEY'VE SERVED THEIR INITIAL PERIOD. SO FIRST DISCUSSION ON THE THREE YEAR VERSUS THE THREE, THREE YEARS VERSUS THE TWO FOUR YEARS. YES. WELL, I'VE HEARD BOTH FROM ESC COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THE REASON I LIKE THE TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS WAS YOU DO YOU DO EIGHT YEARS, RIGHT? THEN YOU TAKE A BREAK, GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE A CHANCE, AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK. THAT'S A THAT'S 12 YEARS IN TOTAL. THE THREE YEAR TERMS. RIGHT. THAT'S NINE YEARS. CORRECT. CORRECT. YES. AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEN IT'S ONE YEAR OFF AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND START OVER. I'D JUST LIKE TO TURN OVER OF THE FOUR YEAR. YES, COMMISSIONER. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO HAVE CONSISTENTLY, THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF THEIR APPOINTMENT HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN RECRUITING OTHER MEMBERS. AND THEY FIND IT THAT PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED BY THE FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT AND THAT THREE YEARS DOESN'T SOUND SO IMPOSING. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. YEAH. FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT. YEAH. COMMISSIONER. THE OTHER TERMS FOR THE OTHER COMMITTEES IN TERMS OF THEIR TERM ARC. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW ARC IS THE SAME AS ESC, SO IT'S THREE YEAR TERMS. BUT IF YOU CHANGE THIS THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CHANGE ARC AS WELL. WE WOULD MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THE ARC LANGUAGE WHEN WE BRING THAT BACK TO 27. YES. COMMISSIONER. THIS IS FOR EFFICIENCY REASONS. SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO ASK DONNA, CITY CLERK WHICH ONE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES A HILL OF BEANS TO ME. WHAT, DO YOU SEE ONE BEING EASIER TO FILL VERSUS THE OTHER? WHAT ARE THE CAVEATS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENCY AND STAFF AND FILLING? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS MYSELF ABOUT THREE VERSUS FOUR, OR HAVING ANY KIND OF FEELING THAT FOUR IS TOO MUCH. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I LIKE STANDARDIZATION AND THE REST ARE THREE AND THREE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S. SO WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION KEEP THREE OR GO TO THREE AND THREE. SO THEY ALL ARE THE SAME. YEAH I'M PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT. JUST STAY WITH THE 333. YEAH. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? FOR STANDARDIZATION. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO LET'S HEAR IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO STAY WITH THE 333. I'M GOOD WITH IT. AND ONE OUT. SO WE'LL FOR NOW LEAVE IT IN AS 333 BUT JUST. YES, JUST A POINT. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL COME UP FOR THE SECOND READING AND REMEMBER THAT WE CAN PASS IT, WE CAN THUMBS DOWN, BUT WE ALSO CAN AMEND IT. RIGHT. ANY OF THESE THINGS AT THAT TIME. YEAH. YOU CAN. SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A PERFECT BILL. I MEAN, YOU OUGHT TO SEE WHAT CONGRESS MARKS UP AND WHAT THEY PASS. UNTIL YOU GET A FINAL VOTE, YOU CAN AMEND THIS. SO BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THE CITIZENS KNOWLEDGE IS WE'RE TRYING TO NARROW THIS DOWN TO A SIMPLE DISCUSSION AND MAYBE A MINOR AMENDMENT, BUT NOT A BUNCH OF AMENDMENTS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. BUT WE SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT AT THE ONE YEAR INTERIM BETWEEN SERVING A SECOND TERM OR A SECOND SERIES OF TERMS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SERVE YET AGAIN ON THE ESC, THEY COULD COME BACK AFTER THE NINE YEARS ARE DONE. THEY COULD COME BACK AFTER ONE YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M ASKING, ARE YOU ASKING ME? YES. IF YOU LEAVE THE LANGUAGE THE SAME, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE THE, THEY WOULD BE OFF ONE YEAR AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO BE REAPPOINTED. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY. OKAY. YES. THEY COULD POSSIBLY SERVE A LITTLE MORE THAN NINE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A FULL YEAR WHEN THEY GET IF THEY TAKE ON AN UNEXPIRED TERM AND WE DON'T COUNT THAT. JUST LIKE THE PRESENT PORTION. THEN TECHNICALLY THEY COULD GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SERVE A DECADE. OKAY, SO IF THEY WANT. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. SO IF WE GO ON TO PAGE TEN, ASSUMING THAT WE LEAVE THE PRIOR SECTION THE SAME AT THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS. WE DON'T NEED THE GRANDFATHERING CLAUSE SO THAT CLAUSE COULD BE STRICKEN. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE NOW. OKAY. 11. TEN. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL WHEN WE COMMISSIONED THE WHOLE THING. SO THAT WAS GOOD. [00:50:08] YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS WAY BACK. YEAH. SO THAT'S ON PAGE NINE. SECTION 2358. YEAH. ALL THAT STRIKE THROUGH WAS HOW THE ORIGINAL ESC WAS SET UP. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN ON PAGE 11 THAT'S JUST ADDING OR DESIGNATE TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ME. IT COULD BE IF I'M NOT HERE, WHOEVER I DESIGNATE. OKAY. GOING ON TO PAGE 12 IS REMOVAL OF MEMBERS OF THE DISCUSSION HERE WAS BECAUSE SC COULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS. THE WAY THE BILL IS STRUCTURED, THEY COULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH. I'M, I KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS ONE PRIMARY MEETING AND ONE SECONDARY MEETING. THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD BE OFF ON VACATION FOR A MONTH AND THEN HAVE SOME CONFLICT AND THEY CAN'T MEET THIRD MEETING. SO THAT WOULD BE THREE MEETINGS IN SIX WEEKS POTENTIALLY. AND THEN THEY COULD BE OUT. SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WE'RE MAKING IT THREE MEETINGS IN THREE MONTHS. IF YOU MISS THREE MEETINGS IN THREE MONTHS, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE TRIGGER TO POTENTIALLY REMOVE YOU FROM THE OFFICE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. NEXT. AND THEN THIS NEXT PART HERE IS I THINK THE MEMBERS FROM SC FELT THAT A SEMIANNUAL TREE CANOPY REPORT WAS A REALLY BIG LIFT, AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT BEING A PRIORITY ITEM THAT OCCURS ON A SEMI-REGULAR BASIS. BUT THE LANGUAGE WE CAME HERE IS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHALL PRODUCE A SEMIANNUAL REPORT ON THE TREE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO BASICALLY, THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT OVERSIGHT ON STAFF TO ENSURE THAT STAFF IS CORRECTLY ADMINISTERING THE CODE. AND I BELIEVE, MR. MAYOR, WITH THAT, THAT IS THE CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS CHANGES BETWEEN THE SC MEMBERS PRESENT AND STAFF. COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE THIS PART OF THE AGENDA. MAYOR. YES. IF I MAY BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE TEN. WELL, IT STARTS ON 9TH NOVEMBER, AND THEN IT GOES TO PAGE 10 A.M. ON NINE, BUT WE'RE AT THE VERY END OF THE PAGE. YEAH. THE LAST TWO WORDS. NO MEMBER. I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE I'M ON NINE. I'M SORRY. IT'S PAGE 21 OF YOUR AGENDA. OH. OH, THAT'S THE OH, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FOLLOWING SOMETHING. YEAH. I GAVE IT TO YOU. YOU DID? YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S UNDER SECTION 2358. WHICH NUMBER OR LETTER IN PARENTHESES? WELL, IT'S ALL CROSSED OUT, I CAN'T TELL. NOW. SEE? ONE MAYBE. LET'S SEE. YOU FIND IT ON THIS VERSION OF THE AGENDA. ANYWAY. I MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THIS. SO IT SAYS NO MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE SHALL HOLD ANY OTHER PUBLIC OFFICE. I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON. ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY CAN'T SERVE ON ANY OTHER ATLANTIC BEACH BOARD OR COMMITTEE? SO YOU HAVE TO READ THAT. YOU HAVE TO READ THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT SENTENCE, BECAUSE IT GOES ON TO SAY IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE TWO, SECTION FIVE A, WHICH IS A DUAL OFFICE HOLDING, WHICH DOES HAVE DEFINITIONAL VALUE TO IT. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT READS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AN OFFICE THAT HAS SOVEREIGN POWER, WHICH SC DOESN'T, SO WE WON'T HAVE THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING ISSUE. I THINK WHAT DONNA IS TALKING ABOUT IS IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE STRONG, I GUESS, I MEAN, THE POLICY CALL FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS DO YOU WANT MEMBERS ON ONE BOARD SERVING ON ANOTHER BOARD, [00:55:07] OR DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY TO SIT ON MORE THAN ONE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH BOARD? IF IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, THEN LEAVE IT ALONE. IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, I DON'T WANT THAT, THEN YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT'S ALL ABOUT JUST HOW MANY BOARDS. ONE CITIZEN CAN SIT ON. AND THAT'S THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CODE NOW, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO BUT WE HAVE IT CROSSED OUT AS IF WE WERE TAKING IT OUT. SO I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. ACTUALLY THE I MEAN, THE VERSION I SEE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CROSSED OUT IS OR ELECTED POSITION, WHICH IS KIND OF DUPLICATIVE. SO I CAN GET A SYNONYM. WHICH PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? IF YOU'RE ON THE, THE, THE COPY THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN LOOKING AT, IT'S ON PAGE NINE OF 14. OKAY. AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE. IT'S THAT UNDERLINED SECTION 23-50. IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE. IT'S THAT FIRST SECTION USED TO BE C1. NOW IT'S A UNDER MEMBERSHIP. IF YOU KIND OF SCROLL DOWN THERE IT'S THAT LAST SENTENCE. IT SAYS NO APOLOGIZE I WAS LOOKING AT THE ONE IN THE IN THE AGENDA. SO IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? STILL I GUESS OR ARE WE WANTING TO. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT STANDS, IT WOULD JUST BE A DUAL OFFICE HOLDING POSITIONS THAT WOULD CORRECT. I SEE NO REASON TO CHANGE THAT. I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. SO THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THEN A CITIZEN COULD BE ON MORE THAN ONE BOARD IF IT'S NOT DUAL OFFICE. YEAH. YEAH. LET ME JUST MAKE A FINAL POINT ON THAT. IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO ANALYZE AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY THINK SOMEBODY'S OVERSTRETCHED. WE HAVE SOME CITIZENS THAT ARE RETIRED AND HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO SERVE ON MULTIPLE COMMITTEES. GO HAVE AT IT. JUST DO A GOOD JOB. BUT OKAY, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON AND BEFORE I MOVE ON, IF YEAH. SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO BRING BACK IS THE CURRENT UNDERLINING STRIKETHROUGH THAT'S IN RED. INCORPORATE WHAT'S IN THE BLUE HIGHLIGHT. INCORPORATE THE THREE YEAR TERMS, TAKING IT BACK ESSENTIALLY TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. STRIKING THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE AND SO YOU'LL GET THAT BACK ALL AS UNDERLINE STRIKETHROUGH FOR THE SECOND READ WITH NO DIFFERENT. IT'D JUST BE ONE THING. AND BEFORE WE COMMENT, IF THERE IS ANY THIS GO ROUND, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE AGENDA. NOT LATE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE CAROLYN ZISSER AND ALL OTHERS GET TO SEE THE DRAFT WELL BEFORE THE MEETING DATE. YEAH, THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS WE HAD THE AGENDA READY BEFORE I WAS HERE TO MEET. I KNOW, I KNOW. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NOW I CAN PROCEED. OKAY. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED TO THE THREE LADIES HERE FOR THE BASEBALL REQUEST. THE HEALTH CLUB. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY TRYING TO SHOW GOOD MANNERS AND NOT EXIT THE ROOM IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MEETING. FEEL FREE TO STAY AND ENJOY THE EVENING WITH US OR MOVE, YOU KNOW, MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. LET'S SEE. WHERE AM I? AM I AT 6B? IS IT BUT I'M AT FIVE B, OKAY, GOOD. SO NOW MOVING TO FIVE B FIRE SERVICES. [5.B. Fire Services] IT ACTUALLY SAYS KILLINGSWORTH TO REPORT, BUT I'M GOING TO REPORT ON THAT. WE DID HAVE A GOOD COMMISSIONER RING. WE DID HAVE A COMMISSIONER RING. WE DID HAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION AT THE BEACHES WATCH LAST WEEK, AND I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE TWO PLAYERS THAT YOU MENTIONED FORMER CITY MANAGER GEORGE FORBES AND FORMER MAYOR BILL GULLIFORD AND OTHERS. AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND ON THE FIRE. I WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TODAY AND I STILL WANT. IF YOU HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO ENTER INTO THE CONVERSATION AND THUS THE RECORD, PLEASE FEEL FREE. BUT WHAT I'M DOING NOW ON BEHALF FROM MY CHAIR IS I'M REACHING OUT TO HOPEFULLY HAVE A CONVERSATION BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING WITH MAYOR DONNA DEEGAN TO GET HER FEEDBACK, INPUT AND PERHAPS SUPPORT ON ONE OR MORE OF THE THINGS CROSSING OVER FROM. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE FIRE AGREEMENT. THIS IS ABOUT OUR MAIN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND PART OF THE INITIATIVE IS TO ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THE FIRE AGREEMENT INTO THAT. SO BEFORE WE SEND A LETTER FROM OUR CITY MANAGER TO THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, WITH MY RECOMMENDATION OF OF THE LAST MEETING, [01:00:04] I'D LIKE THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO TRY TO DEVELOP THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE ONCE WE SEND THAT LETTER, WE'RE REALLY THROWING DOWN THE GANTLET. SO IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE THE DIALOG AND REPORT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. COMMISSIONER. JUST ONE THING THAT FORMER MAYOR GULLIFORD MENTIONED DURING THE BEACHES WATCH INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT MEETING WAS ABOUT A THIRD PARTY LOOKING AT THE ILA. MAYBE JU OR UNF OR CONSULTANT FIRM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? BECAUSE I KNOW HE MENTIONED HE WAS PART OF THAT GROUP THAT INITIALLY CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN. WHAT WAS THE TIMELINE AND THEN WHAT WAS THE BREAKDOWN? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY IS DOING RIGHT, BY OUR WORD. SURE. SO WE HAVE A DRAFT REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY WE SEND OUT A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A PROPOSAL THAT ASKS DIFFERENT VENDORS. IN OUR PROPOSAL, WE STATE A PROBLEM AND WE ASK DIFFERENT VENDORS, HOW WOULD YOU SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BASED ON HOW THEY RESPOND TO THAT. THEN WE PUT TOGETHER AN RFP, AND THEN THAT RFP WOULD GO OUT ON THE STREET AND WE'D TAKE SUBMITTALS. NOW, THE PROCESS THAT BILL WAS REFERRING TO, MAYOR GULLIFORD, WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE A DRAFT, THAT DRAFT RFP, RATHER THAN GOING STRAIGHT TO THE STREET. WE WOULD GIVE THAT TO COJ AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE WOULD PUT IT OUT. EITHER THEY WOULD PUT IT OUT OR WE WOULD PUT IT OUT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD DO IT JOINTLY. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO JASON ON THAT. BUT WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS IS WE HAVE A DRAFT RFP. JASON HAS A COPY. I HAVE A COPY OF IT. I EXPECT IT TO GO OUT BY FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK, AND THEN WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM VENDORS OR WHOEVER ELSE CHOOSES TO RESPOND. AND LET ME ADD TO THAT I'VE ASKED MR. KILLINGSWORTH TODAY TO SET A DATE NEXT WEEK. HOPEFULLY ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE IN TOWN, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE RECONVENE NEXT WEEK AFTER WE'VE SENT OUT THE INITIAL REQUEST AND AFTER I'VE HAD TIME TO ENGAGE MAYOR DEEGAN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT DO WE THINK NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE THIS IS A THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH LITERALLY TWO ILAS. THE ILA THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IMPETUS FOR THIS, BUT ALSO THE FIRE SERVICES ILA WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC. SO, SO YES, COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. WHAT WILL THAT LETTER SAY? IS IT JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THE FIRE SERVICES? ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF ILA, OR ARE WE PULLING THE FIRE SERVICES OUT AS LIKE A LOW HANGING FRUIT? BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN. YEAH. SO WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD LOOK AT THE SERVICES. WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS THAT IT WOULD LOOK AT THE SERVICES THAT COJ PROVIDES VERSUS THE TAXES THAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ILA. LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE WORTH THAT'S DEFINITELY WORTH THE TIME. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE THE CONSULTANT FIRM TOO?. SO TYPICALLY FOR LIKE A REQUEST FOR QUOTES OR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THE CITY'S DONE A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. WE TYPICALLY ALLOW 30 DAYS AND THEN WE GET THEM BACK AND WE GO FROM THERE. AND THE COMMITTEE AGREED WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS MEETING YOU, MAYOR AND BILL GULLIFORD AND WHOMEVER ELSE AGREED TO THAT. YES, YES. SO MAYOR GULLIFORD BROUGHT IT UP IN A MEETING BETWEEN US AND COJ AND MIKE WEINSTEIN AGREED TO THAT. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE PATH WE WENT. THEN. WHAT WOULD THE LETTER SAY TO THE MAYOR THAT DONNA DEEGAN, WHAT'S THAT LETTER GOING TO SAY? WE DON'T HAVE A LETTER TO DONNA DEEGAN. I'M REACHING OUT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HER TO BRING HER UP TO DATE, ENGAGE HER AND SEE WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. OKAY. AND BASED ON THAT AND THE FEEDBACK I'LL GIVE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY TO THE COMMISSION, WE CAN DECIDE NEXT STEPS. BUT JUST AS FAR AS TIMELINE GOES, SO I HAVE THE TWO. ONE IS AN ILA FULL REVIEW UTILIZING THE CONSULTANT FIRM, WHICH WAS THE THIRD PARTY BILL GULLIFORD HAD MENTIONED DURING BEACH'S WATCH. THE SECOND IS THE FIRE SERVICES. THAT ONE WE'RE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT I YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING DRAFTED IN TWO WEEKS. DID I HEAR THAT? NO. YEAH. NO. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENS WITH THE FIRE WHETHER WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THAT IS LOW HANGING FRUIT OR NOT. I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, THAT DECISION WOULD BE ROLLED INTO THE ILA. [01:05:07] SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE ONE. THERE MIGHT BE AN INTERIM. SO WE'RE LOOKING MONTHS TO A YEAR TO THE. THERE WILL BE CONSIDERABLE TIME BEFORE THIS IS RESOLVED. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO IT WILL NOT LIKELY BE FULLY RESOLVED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. COULD THEY POSSIBLY GIVE US AT LEAST FIRE SERVICES AND NOT OTHERS? I THINK YOU'RE JUST STARTING TO SPECULATE. I WOULDN'T GO THERE. LET'S AGREE ON. ONE THING IS WE HAVE NOT REALLY BEGUN THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS BEGINNING NOW. AND SO IF WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS TWO MONTHS AGO, THEN WE'D HAVE SOMETHING TO SPECULATE ON. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SPECULATE ON YET. YES. I WAS AT AN EVENT ON FRIDAY WITH TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALSO THE FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MR. JACKSON. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I HAD MY OWN LITTLE LOBBYING LOBBYING EFFORT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HEAR REPEATEDLY THAT'S GOING TO HELP, NOT JUST 1 OR 2 OF US. THANK YOU. AND I AGREE THIS THAT IS POLITICS, RIGHT? AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MR. KILLINGSWORTH BECAUSE HE AT HIS SUGGESTION, HE AND I MET WITH MOST OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER A MONTH AGO FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO START TO BUILD THAT RAPPORT SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE REALLY PUSHING TO PUSH THIS OVER THE LINE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. AND SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. MAYOR. YES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT DOES SEEM, THOUGH, THE STRATEGY IS TO COMBINE BOTH FIRE AND THE OTHER ILA THAT HAS A MULTITUDE OF THINGS IN IT TO TRY AND GET AN AGREEMENT. IT WE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS THE STRATEGY. IT IS CERTAINLY A POTENTIAL STRATEGY. BECAUSE THE FIRE SERVICES AGREEMENT IS A LARGE NUMBER. YEAH. OKAY. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT IF COJ IS GOING TO PLAY BALL WITH US, THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY SO THEY DON'T GET, YOU KNOW, AN AGREEMENT ON ONE AND THEN GET PICKED APART ON THE OTHER ONE LATER. SO THANK YOU. BUT YEAH GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM SIX. [6. CONSENT AGENDA] ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA, UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION OF THESE ITEMS. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE PULL ITEM SIX OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. ANYBODY? WELL, WE CAN LEAVE 6B IN THE CONSENT AGENDA IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. AND IF THERE'S NO DISSENT ON THAT, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM SIX A, [6.A. Award continuing engineering services contracts to the recommended firms listed in the staff report.] I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. WE'VE WHITTLED THIS DOWN TO DO I READ THIS CORRECTLY TO 12 ENGINEERING FIRMS? 12 ENGINEERING FIRMS SUBMITTED. SO HOW MANY DID WE WHITTLE IT DOWN TO? THREE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO WHAT? PARDON? YEAH. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THREE VERSUS 12 SO THEY DON'T ALL. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ESSENTIALLY SO THIS IS AN RFQ. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS BASKETS OF SKILL SETS. SO THEY MIGHT BE SURVEYING. THEY MIGHT BE CAD WORK. ENGINEERING WORK. AND BY HAVING THESE THREE DIFFERENT FIRMS IT WOULD ALLOW US TO I MAY BE SPEAKING ON THE WRONG ONE. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THREE. ON THE RIGHT. WELL, PAGE 29. YEAH. [01:10:12] NO. SO IT IS THE I'M SORRY. IT IS THE 12 FIRMS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WE HAVE A BUDGET, BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS A FIXED AMOUNT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE ANY ONE FIRM WOULD GET A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SKILL SETS WE NEED. SO WE MIGHT TAKE A SKILL SET FROM [INAUDIBLE] ENGINEERING WHO MIGHT PROVIDE US WITH CIVIL AND THEY MAY BE A SPECIALIST IN DRAINAGE AND THEN WE MAY HAVE AND THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY ACCURATE IN WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT WE MAY HAVE HALF RESPOND AND THEY MAY BE A SPECIALIST IN PROVIDING COASTAL SALTWATER MARSH THINGS. SO WHAT IT PROVIDES IS A WIDE BASKET OF PERSONNEL WITH A DOLLAR COST FIGURE FOR THOSE PERSONNEL. SO IF YOU CAN THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF LIKE A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE SERVICE, WHERE YOU CAN GO THERE AND SAY, I NEED FIVE HOURS OF THIS KIND OF EMPLOYEE, THAT'S WHAT THIS GIVES US. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. COMMISSIONER IS A FEDERAL CONTRACTOR IN MY REAL JOB. OF MY OTHER JOB. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES THIS EVERY DAY. YOU PICK THE THREE COMPANIES THAT YOU WANT. YOU PRE-QUALIFY THEM, YOU BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF THEIR SERVICES. YOU KNOW THEIR PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY COST. I'LL STOP. WAIT. I'M SORRY, I GUESS I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING WHERE IF YOU PICK, YOU KNOW, A MULTITUDE OF COMPANIES. YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR SERVICES, THEIR PEOPLE, THEIR FINANCES. YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE THREE, YOU'RE PRE-APPROVED, PRETTY MUCH. AND THEN AS THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING, YOU GO TO THE COMPANY THAT FITS THAT IF YOU HAD TO, IF YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH 12, THAT'S A THAT'S A BURDEN. BUT YOU THERE ARE BENEFITS TO SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE ONE OF OUR COMPANIES, WE WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU, BE COMPETITIVE, ETC., SO THIS IS THAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YEAH. SO SO THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH IS I THINK 12 SOUNDS LIKE A FAIRLY LARGE SAMPLING. BUT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, FIRST OF ALL, THIS WAS A NUMERICAL SCORING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. OKAY. AND YET THE ONE'S NOT SELECTED ARE ONLY A FEW POINTS AWAY FROM THE ONES THAT WERE SELECTED. SO THE NUMERICAL SCORING DIDN'T MEAN TOO MUCH TO ME ABOUT KNOCKING PEOPLE OUT. AND I WONDER IF WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE FIRMS THAT HAVE THAT HAVE COASTAL EXPERIENCE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE FIRMS THE PRINCIPAL IS A FORMER CITY COUNCILMAN IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH. SO HE HAS GREAT KNOWLEDGE OF THE BEACHES, BUT THEY WERE NOT SELECTED. AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. I THINK IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THEIR FIRM SPECIALIZES IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, AND THAT WAS A SKILL SET THAT I THINK STAFF FELT THEY DIDN'T NEED. THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE VERY OFTEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DID. OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE WE PAYING A RETAINER TO ALL 12, OR ARE WE JUST PAYING AS WE GO? MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE PAY AS WE GO. SO WE WOULD ISSUE AN INDIVIDUAL PURCHASE ORDER IF THAT PURCHASE ORDER WAS LESS THAN $25,000. IT WOULD. IT COULD BE DONE UNDER MY SIGNATURE. IF IT WAS GREATER THAN $25,000, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. AND MOST QUITE FRANKLY, MOST ENGINEERING DESIGN PROPOSALS ARE GOING TO COST MORE THAN $25,000. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE 12. NOT DOWN TO THREE. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 6A. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SIX A IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, I PULLED IT OUT. OKAY. OUTSIDE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA 6A. OKAY. SECOND, AGAIN. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH I. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE REMAINING ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA. SIX BE AWARD CONTINUING SURVEYING SERVICES CONTRACT TO THE FOUR TOP RANKED FIRMS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL THIS ITEM OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. [01:15:05] THANK YOU. MOVING TO ITEM NINE, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, DASH 2546, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING. [9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 25-25-46, Public Hearing and Final Reading] AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER EIGHT FLOOD HAZARD AREAS TO SPECIFY ELEVATION OF MANUFACTURED HOMES AND TO CLARIFY PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BUILDING ELEVATIONS, PROVIDING FOR APPLICABILITY AND SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, AS YOU HEARD ON THE FIRST READING THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AS A RESULT OF THE STATE HAVING A CONSULTANT THAT COMES THROUGH AND REVIEWS OUR FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE STATE STATUTE IS PRIMARILY COMPOSED OF THREE THINGS. THE FIRST IS MAKING. THIS CHAPTER CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 24. SO IF THEY BOTH SAY, 2.5FT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN IS THE REQUIRED FINISHED FIRST FLOOR, THERE'S ALSO A SLEW OF DEFINITIONAL CHANGES THAT THE STATE MADE. AND SO WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE THOSE DEFINITIONAL CHANGES INTO OUR ORDINANCE. AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS THE STATE CHANGED FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING OR MOBILE HOMES WHERE YOU MEASURE FROM. SO IT USED TO BE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION WAS MEASURED FROM THE FIRST FLOOR. BUT WITH MANUFACTURED HOMES, THAT MEASUREMENT, YOU HAVE TO BE THE BOTTOM OF THE FRAME. SO IF YOU HAVE A FRAME THAT'S TEN INCHES THICK, THEN YOUR FIRST FLOOR IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE 2.5FT PLUS TEN INCHES. WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'D RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 25-25-46. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE NO SPEAKER FORMS FOR THAT. THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I RECOMMEND A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 25 2546. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BOLE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE NOW IN CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT. JUST BRIEFLY THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RING, FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION. [11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS] I BELIEVE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL PROBABLY FRIDAY FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, PROBABLY FROM MR. TEAL. JASON TEAL, I BELIEVE, BUT FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE SETTING FORTH A DATE FOR THEIR ETHICS TRAINING. THIS IS GOING TO BE SET FOR MONDAY, JUNE 9TH, FROM 9 A.M. TO 1 P.M. IN THE LYNWOOD ROBERTS ROOM AT CITY HALL. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A GOOD SCHEDULED DATE FOR GETTING YOUR FOUR HOURS OF CLE THAT YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY WHEN YOU GO AND FILE YOUR FORM ONE A FEW WEEKS LATER, JULY 1ST IS YOUR DEADLINE, BY THE WAY. ANOTHER REMINDER ON THAT. 1116. IT'S THE YOUR FORM SIX. BACK TO FORM SIX. RIGHT. IT'S YOUR FORM ONE. THERE WAS LITIGATION THE PREVIOUS ONE OKAY. I GET MIXED UP. NO. AND THEN THERE WAS YEAH THEY WERE GOING TO THE STATE WAS GOING TO MAKE YOU DO A FORM SIX. BUT THEN THERE WAS LITIGATION THAT SET IT BACK TO FORM ONE. SO BUT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR FOUR HOURS OF CREDIT IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN OPTION TO. THERE'LL BE A VIDEO LINK LATER. YOU CAN WATCH IT AND, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR EARN YOUR CREDITS THAT WAY. THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS WEBSITE. THERE'S SOME GOOD LITERATURE AND MATERIALS THERE AND WE CAN CIRCULATE THAT TO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD MEASURE TO, YOU KNOW, MEET OUR FELLOWS OVER AT OUR. IT'S SO EASY. NICE JOB THEY DO. YEAH, THEY DO A NICE JOB. AND IT'S SO EASY. BUT I GOTTA ASK THIS QUESTION. WHEN MUST THAT BE COMPLETED? IT'S FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, ACTUALLY, I NEED TO LOOK AT THAT FORM AGAIN. I THINK IT'S FOR. YEAH, THE FOUR HOURS YOU NEED FOUR HOURS PER YEAR FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE IT LAST SUMMER. RIGHT. WE DID IT LAST SUMMER FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR OR FOR THE FOR LAST YEAR. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO IF YOU DO IT NOW YOU CAN YOU CAN USE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. YEAH. I'M CONFUSED. THE JULY 6TH FORM IS THAT FOR LAST YEAR'S HOURS? YOU KNOW, LET ME BEFORE I SPEAK OUT OF TURN THAT SINCE THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION, I DON'T WANT TO LEAD YOU ASTRAY. LET ME FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT, AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. YOU NEED FOUR HOURS PER YEAR. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE FOUR HOURS THAT YOU WOULD OBTAIN AND EARN ON JUNE 9TH WOULD BE FOR THIS YEAR [01:20:05] VERSUS NEXT YEAR. YEAH. I'VE NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND COMMISSIONER RING AND COMMISSIONER KELLY. WE'VE BEEN TO THE SAME ONE SINCE I BECAME MAYOR. HAVE WE BEEN TO TWO SINCE I BECAME MAYOR? OR THREE OF THESE? IT WAS. IT WOULD BE TWO BECAUSE 23, 24 THIS YEAR WILL BE THE THIRD ONE. 25 FOR 25. YES. SO WE'VE BEEN TO TWO TOGETHER. OKAY. THANKS. YEAH. I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THE FOUR HOUR CREDITS THAT YOU EARN NOW WOULD BE FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT LET ME LET ME GET THAT IN WRITING AND I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL. SO THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THOMAS. RIGHT. SO BUT THERE'S OTHER LITERATURE AND MATERIALS THAT WE CAN USE FOR YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO 2024. YEAH. LET ME GET THE ANSWER TO THAT EMAIL YOU GUYS BEFORE I. YEAH, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY AT DANCING IN THE STREETS THIS SATURDAY. ALRIGHT? YEAH. COOL. HEY, DONNA, DID YOU GET YOUR LINK YET FOR THE WEBSITE FOR THE FORM ONE? I DON'T RECALL RECEIVING A LINK LAST YEAR. I GOT IT REAL EARLY, LIKE IN FEBRUARY, BUT I DON'T RECALL SEEING ONE YET. I THINK I GOT MINE AND I HAVE TO GET IT TOO AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ONE YET. I HAVE NOT, BECAUSE NORMALLY IT'S AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT WE GET IT. PROBABLY IN MAY THOUGH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DONNA. YOU'RE DONE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BOLE. NOPE. GOOD. THANKS. YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GRANT. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY. MEMORIAL DAY, PET PARK 0900. HOPE. SEE YOU ALL THERE. YES, I'LL BE THERE. OKAY. IS JUST TO SEE A SHOW OF HANDS, WHO WILL BE THERE? I'LL BE THERE. GOOD. THANK YOU. I LOOK, IF ANYBODY'S TRAVELING, SO BE IT. BUT WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB SINCE I'VE BEEN MAYOR OF ALWAYS SHOWING UP. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO START DOING. IF I'M RECOGNIZING PEOPLE, I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE SOMEWHERE. EVEN IF I DON'T SEE YOU. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALWAYS ARE THERE INCLUDING CITY MANAGER. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RING, I HAVE NOTHING. OKAY, MISTER KILLINGSWORTH. I AM GOOD, SIR. OKAY. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THIS MEETING. THANK YOU FOR THE DILIGENCE. THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK ON THE PRIORITY SETTING. WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.