OKAY. NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS AND GUESTS. WELCOME. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] IS THIS WORKING? OKAY, GOOD. BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING WE'LL START WITH OUR NORMAL INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PAST HOLIDAY WEEKEND. THAT ALLOWED US MORE THAN AN EXTRA DAY TO SPEND WITH OUR FAMILIES. A TIME SET ASIDE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO REMEMBER AND HONOR THOSE WHO PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL NEVER COME BACK HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES. WE ASK YOU TO COMFORT THE LOVED ONES WHO ARE FOREVER MISSING THEIR FALLEN SOLDIER. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS DUE TO THEIR VALOR AND SACRIFICE THAT WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND WE PRAY FOR A DIVINE HEDGE OF PROTECTION OVER OUR ARMED FORCES. BE WITH THEM AS THEY FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS, AND BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES WHO SACRIFICE HOLIDAYS AND PRECIOUS TIME WITH THEIR LOVED ONES. MAY YOUR FAVOR AND WISDOM REST UPON US TONIGHT. GOD BLESS AMERICA. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED MAY 27TH, 2025 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. LADAYIJA, CAN YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THANK YOU, LADAYIJA MOVING RIGHT ALONG, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ITEM 1A, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON APRIL 28TH, 2025. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED. ITEM ONE B APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MAY 12TH, 2025. ANY CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. THOSE MINUTES ALSO STAND AS PRESENTED. WE'LL MOVE INTO COURTESY OF THE FLORIDA VISITORS. [2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS] AS WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE. WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TODAY. SO LADAYIJA, YOU HAVE THE CARDS. OKAY. CAROLYN ZISSER. GOOD LATE AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, ATTORNEY AND CITY CLERK. FIRST, I WANTED TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME YOU HAVE AFFORDED THE CITIZENS TO CAREFULLY REVIEW OUR ORDINANCE, 124, DEALING WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE FOR OUR ABILITY TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS, AND FOR YOU TO BE HEARING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, MANY OF WHICH ARE ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT, IN WHICH YOU'RE HAVING SECOND READING. I'M ONLY ADDRESSING ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONE THAT I. OH, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU MY NAME AND MY ADDRESS. CAROLYN ZISSER, A RESIDENT AS WELL AS LONG TERM ATTORNEY, AND I LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND MY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND MY RESIDENCE IS NOW GOING FORWARD. I AM SPEAKING TONIGHT ONLY WITH REGARD TO THE CORRECTLY STATED NOW SECTION 2356. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. I'VE REVIEWED THE DRAFT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, AND FOR SOME REASON I HAD MISSED IT IN THE. IN THE INTERNET. BUT I SAW ONE OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS COPIES. IT IS CORRECT. IT WAS THE ONE THAT I ARGUED TO AND ASKED YOU TO ADOPT AT THE LAST MEETING. AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE THAT ON SECOND MEETING. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OTHER CITIZENS TONIGHT WHO WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SUGGESTED REVISIONS THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO ACCEPT ON SECOND READING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MISS ZISSER. NANCY STOTZ. A GOOD EVENING NANCY STOTZ BEACH AVENUE. I'M GOING TO KEEP IT VERY SHORT. I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. IT CAN BE MESSY, IT CAN BE UNCOMFORTABLE, AND YOU DID IT. [00:05:04] YOU LISTENED TO EVERY VOICE. AND I'M CONFIDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS NEW REVISIONS HAVE BEEN ALL THE MAJOR ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IF I MAY JUST SINGLE OUT COMMISSIONER KELLY AND COMMISSIONER RING FOR BEING SO RESPONSIVE TO MULTIPLE EMAILS FROM ME. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND REALLY, I WOULD JUST CONCUR WITH ANY OTHER MINOR TWEAKS THAT THOSE WHO ARE TRULY EXPERT ON THESE ORDINANCES REQUIRING THAT THAT YOU CAN GIVE IT STRONG CONSIDERATION, THAT'S ALL. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THIS GREAT CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DOCTOR . SUZANNE BARKER. HI COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR AND ALSO CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I TOO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT ORDINANCE 124. AND I ALWAYS THINK, YOU KNOW, WE STRIVE FOR PERFECTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS IS EVERYTHING. AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION CAME TOGETHER WITH THE ESC AND EVERYBODY MADE SOME CONCESSIONS. WE ARE A TREE CITY. WE ARE IN A VERY VULNERABLE CITY. SO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP OUR EYE ON. AND YOU, YOU ALL CAME THROUGH AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT LATER ON THIS EVENING, THEIR THREE CANDIDATES FOR THE ESC, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AN AT LARGE POSITION. I HOPE YOU CONSIDER ENLARGING THE ESC TO 11 MEMBERS, BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE AMAZING, AND IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR THEM TO HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED. AND SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, OH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET A LOT MORE DONE IF YOU JUST HAVE LESS PEOPLE. WELL, THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE, THE MORE OPINIONS YOU HAVE, THE MORE INFORMATION YOU HAVE. AND IF YOU HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES THAT CAN BRING SO MUCH TO THE CITY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE LOSING, YOU'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE AND NOT CONSIDERING MAKING IT TO 11. THAT'S CERTAINLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT THAT PEOPLE CAN SPEAK AND SHARE AND BUT I DO APPRECIATE WHERE 124 IS NOW AND LOOK FORWARD TO IT PASSING. AND THANKS AGAIN. THANK YOU, MISS BARKER. JACKIE BECKENBACH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. JACKIE BECKENBACH, 2210 OCEAN WALK DRIVE, ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENT HERE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION FOR BEING OPEN TO HAVING AN EXTENDED DISCUSSION AROUND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COMMITTEES AND THE ESC, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE MORE CITIZEN INPUT WE HAVE, THE BETTER. THERE'S A VERY, VERY TALENTED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY, AND I FEEL LIKE TO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE EXPERTISE AND ENERGY AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT INDULGE IN HAVING THE COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE. I ALSO WANTED TO WE JUST HAD ANOTHER TREE TAKEN DOWN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WITHOUT, I DON'T THINK I KNOW THEY DIDN'T EVEN GO THROUGH THE OCEAN WALK HOA. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED ANYTHING HERE. AND I WAS THINKING IT MIGHT BE VALUABLE TO PERHAPS GET THE LOCAL REALTORS INVOLVED, AS THEY'RE SELLING PROPERTIES HERE, TO MAYBE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR REMOVING TREES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DIRECT THEM TO OUR WEBSITE IN ORDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE AT LEAST AWARE OF THAT. BECAUSE THIS GROUP THAT JUST TOOK DOWN YET ANOTHER TREE WAS SOMEBODY WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE. THEY'RE JUST RENOVATING IT. AND THE VERY FIRST THING THEY DID WAS TAKE DOWN A HUGE TREE. SO I WOULD. JUST AS WE ARE A TREE CITY, I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE OF ATLANTIC BEACH DESIGNATING THAT, AND I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN GET INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS, [00:10:06] I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP US TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THIS TREE CANOPY THAT'S DISAPPEARING. SO THANK YOU. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO EVERY DAY, ALL THE EXTRA TIME THAT YOU PUT IN THE ENERGY. I KNOW YOU PAID A LOT TO DO THIS, SO BUT I DO. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND, AND YOUR OPENNESS TO HAVING DISCUSSION AROUND THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BECKENBACH. MARY. MARY EMERSON SMITH ON EIGHTH STREET FOR 40 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. IS THAT BETTER? MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU. I DON'T WANT YOU TO SPEAK ON YOUR TIPPY TOES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KEVIN. IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. I'VE WITNESSED IT OVER 40 YEARS. THE RISE AND FALL OF THE TREE COMMITTEE, WHICH I WAS ON AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND WHICH WAS DISMANTLED AND TAKEN IN-HOUSE. AND THEN I AM NOW WITNESSING THE POSSIBILITY THAT, AGAIN, THE TREE COMMITTEE IS NOT CONSIDERED TO BE NECESSARY PART OF THE ESC, AND THAT THEY DON'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ALL THAT MUCH ANYWAY, EXCEPT CHECK THE BOXES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING CHECKED PROPERLY NOW, BECAUSE I BROUGHT THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT BY WITNESSING THE IMPROPERLY THING, AND IT DID TURN INTO A BIG DEAL, ACTUALLY. AND THANK YOU, THOMAS GRANT, FOR WHAT YOU DID AT YOUR FIRST MEETING. SUGGESTING A COMPROMISE BETWEEN 7 AND 11 MEMBERS OF THE ESC. I JUST THOUGHT, OH MY GOD, I WASN'T FOR YOU ACTUALLY, NO, I WASN'T, BUT WHEN YOU DID THAT, I CHANGED MY MIND ON A DIME ABOUT YOU. THANK YOU. THAT YOU COULD COME INTO YOUR FIRST MEETING AND STILL ACT INDEPENDENTLY AND MAKE A CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION, WHICH MAYOR FORD IS ALWAYS SAYING. HE WANTS CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS. AND I HAVE ONE FOR YOU OF THE KIND ABOUT THE TREES THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A NON GESTAPO TYPE THING. AND I'LL COME AND TELL YOU ABOUT IT IN YOUR OFFICE. OKAY. BECAUSE I HEARD THE EARNESTNESS WITH WHICH YOU WERE SOLICITING SUCH KINDS OF INPUT FROM PEOPLE. DO WHAT YOU ALWAYS DID. YOU GET WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT. WE KNOW WE GOT TO IMPROVE ON THIS BECAUSE THE CANOPY IS STILL GOING DOWN. AND I SPARED ALL OF YOU FROM BRINGING MY POEM BY STANLEY KUNITZ, WHO IS THE POET LAUREATE OF THE UNITED STATES, CALLED THE WAR AGAINST THE TREES. HOWEVER, I DID BRING THAT POEM TO THE POLLS YEARS AGO WHEN DUVAL COUNTY WAS VOTING ABOUT THE TREES, AND I STOOD AT THE POLLS AND I HANDED THAT POEM OUT, AND ALMOST EVERYONE TOOK IT EXCEPT CERTAIN GENTLEMEN WHO STRODE BY ME. I SWEAR TO GOD, I THINK THEY WERE CONTRACTORS WHO JUST SAW ME. THEY JUST GOT THE DRIFT OF ME, WHICH THEY GOT IT CORRECTLY. AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT WAS MANY YEARS WENT BY, AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE DID NOT OBSERVE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND THAT RESULTED IN A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WHEN THEY FINALLY JUST WEREN'T DOING WHAT THE LAW TOLD THEM TO DO. AND THEN JOHN NOVEMBER AND THE PUBLIC TRUST SUED THEM. AND THEN WE GOT ALL THOSE TREES. BUT I HATE TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE ITERATIONS IF WE COULD WORK TOGETHER ABOUT THIS. AND SO I'M JUST PUTTING IN ONE LAST PLEA FOR THE WE'RE KEEPING THE TREE COMMITTEE. I THINK IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN. I WAS GOING TO SAY UNDERESTIMATED, EVEN MALIGNED, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THERE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO WHAT THEY DO. AND ALSO IT IS A BIG IF WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES. LET'S KEEP THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD. NOT ONLY DOES IT LOOK GOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD, LIKE SABOTAGE OF THE TREE HUGGERS LIKE ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. I'LL SEE YOU, MAYOR FORD, IN YOUR OFFICE WITH MY IDEA. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MISS SMITH. THOSE ARE ALL THE FORMS I HAVE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY, THEN WE WILL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS. [3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS] FOR ITEM THREE, A IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR. AND YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING IS JULY 19TH AT THE CAL BAKER. AND OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW AT FOR JUNE 9TH WHICH IS A COMMISSION NIGHT. [00:15:03] YOU ALSO SEE JUNE 16TH IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP BEFORE THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS OUR VULNERABILITY WORKSHOP. THAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION. AND THEN JUNE 25TH IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP THAT IS A PUBLIC WORKSHOP. AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? OKAY. YOU HAVE A CALENDAR AND THAT IS IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR REPORTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE. [4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS] YEAH, SOMEBODY BROUGHT THIS UP. I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE AND IT WAS JUST MENTIONED HERE. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOUR CITY COMMISSIONERS MAKE $5,000, $5,456 A YEAR. OKAY. THE AVERAGE PAY OF A CITY COMMISSIONER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS BETWEEN 19,000 AND 40.5 THOUSAND. THE AVERAGE PAY FOR A CITY OF 14,000 PEOPLE IS $22,867. SOMEBODY ASKED ME THAT. AND I IS A WONDERFUL THING. SO IF YOU PRINT THAT OUT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT. IT JUST BRINGS TO MIND, I THINK NOT DURING MY TERM, BUT THE FOLLOWING TERM. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE MAYOR PAY ACCORDINGLY. WE ARE IN THE BOTTOM 87% OF ALL CITIES. SO I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT. I WOULD THINK THAT YOU COULD GET BETTER PERSON THAN ME AND THE MAYOR HAVING RUN UNCONTESTED LAST TIME. SO BY DOING THAT, THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE THAT NEEDS TRAFFIC MONEY, BABYSITTING MONEY, SCHOOL MONEY, WHATEVER IT IS, AND BE MOTIVATED TO RUN. SO I'M GOING TO WORK ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT, FOR GOOD OR BAD. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GRANT. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANTED TO COMPLIMENT THE STAFF ON THE MEMORIAL DAY CELEBRATION. THAT WAS A NICE SETUP, A NICE EVENT. I WAS IT MEANT MORE TO ME THIS YEAR. NOW THAT MY SON IS A MARINE, HAVING SPENT TEN DAYS AND ON HIS WAY BACK FOR FURTHER TRAINING. SO THAT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENT. AND SO KUDOS TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED THERE. JESSICA AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT DURING THAT PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT WHATEVER LEVER WE PULLED TO ENGAGE THAT GROUP TO LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF OUR STREETS. WE NEED TO PULL ANOTHER LEVER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HAVE A A NICE LOOK AND REVIEW THE WAY THIS WAS DONE AT THE THE INTERCHANGE OR INTERSECTION BETWEEN PLAZA AND MAYPORT ROAD. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OVERPASS OR SOMETHING THERE THAT WAS SAFER FOR KIDS TO CROSS. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I SPOKE ABOUT IN MY CAMPAIGN WAS, WAS BEING ABLE TO BRING THE KIDS FROM THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORT TO ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY AS A FURTHER, YOU KNOW, FURTHER MOVE TO SECURE THE FUTURE OF THAT SCHOOL HAVING MORE KIDS THERE DOES THAT, I BELIEVE. BUT I THINK WE NEED SAFER ROUTING. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALL ELIGIBLE FOR, I'M SURE, A BUS RIDE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF KIDS LIKE TO WALK AND RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS AND BIKES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE EVEN TALK TO THE DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, I WOULD IMAGINE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT FIRST. SO I'D LIKE US TO INITIATE WHATEVER IT IS WE NEED TO TO LOOK INTO THAT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. OKAY. CITY MANAGER JUST SAID HE WROTE IT DOWN. YEAH. COMMISSIONER KELLY. SORRY. I'M DYING. ERIC. FIRST OF ALL, JACKIE, I KNOW THAT'S HAS TALKED FOR MANY YEARS ABOUT A PACKET TO GIVE NEW HOMEOWNERS. AND PART OF THE HOLD BACK, I THINK, IS THE COST AND THE THE METHOD OF DISTRIBUTING THEM, BECAUSE THE REALTORS ARE EVERYWHERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD MANAGE TO CONTACT THEM ALL, BUT THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN AWAY, FOUND OUT ABOUT IT TO EXECUTE IT. SO NEXT WE GOT. I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED A LETTER. MAYBE TODAY OR YESTERDAY FROM BEACHES GO GREEN AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR MONEY. $5,000 IN THE NEXT BUDGET ROUND. TO IMPLEMENT SOME PROGRAMS HERE. WELL, THAT CERTAINLY FALLS INTO OUR INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE WITH DONATING TO A NONPROFIT. HAVING SOME CONTROL MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE MONEY. [00:20:08] BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK TO ANAMARIE AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHE WOULD DO WITH IT. AND OF COURSE, AS WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING OVER OUR SHOULDER AT THE NEIGHBORS TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH NEPTUNE BEACH AND JACKSONVILLE BEACH WILL GIVE TO THEM. BUT I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER WHAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT OUR PROGRAMS. FINALLY. I READ THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNUAL REPORT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE VERY WELL TRAINED AND WE HAVE LOTS OF EXCELLENT POLICIES. BUT I THERE'S ONE SLIDE THAT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT CRIMES WE'VE HAD. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES THAT LEAD TO THOSE CRIMES. WE HAVE, LIKE, DISCRETION, VANDALISM, SHOPLIFTING. SO WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO REDUCE THOSE STATISTICS? AND IT'S NOT REALLY EVIDENT IN THE REPORT. NOW, SOME OF THOSE THAT'S REALLY SMALL, LIKE PROSTITUTION IS WAY DOWN THERE NOW THAT WE'VE CLEANED UP MAYPORT ROAD. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? ARE YOU NOT A SAILOR? YEAH, BUT I THINK HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS COMMISSIONER. POINT OF ORDER. CITY ATTORNEY, POINT OF ORDER. YEAH. I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU THERE. CORRELATION ISN'T NECESSARY TO CAUSATION. HOW MANY OF YOUR GUYS ARE RESTRICTED? YEAH. OKAY. ANYWAY, SO I'D LIKE SOME FOLLOW UP FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH 50% OF OUR BUDGET NOW THAT THEY'RE WELL TRAINED. SO AND OF COURSE, I SECOND THE MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY. THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF SETTING IT UP. AND ALSO, I TOOK MY GRANDSON TO THE OPEN HOUSE AT THE CITY. YEAH. CITY YARD. AND THEN I HAD TO APOLOGIZE DEEPLY TO MY DAUGHTER BECAUSE HE WAS ABSOLUTELY FILTHY WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM THAT. HE HAD A GREAT TIME. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER RING. SO BEING THE COMMISSIONER WHO GETS TO GO USUALLY LAST. I THINK EVERYONE TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING I HAD JOTTED DOWN FROM THE BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK. AND I WANT TO THANK PUBLIC WORKS. I KNOW LAST WEEK WAS PUBLIC WORKS APPRECIATION WEEK. I DID GO TO THE OPEN HOUSE AND IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. LIFEGUARD STATION DID OPEN LAST WEEK. WE WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT. AND THE LIFEGUARDS ARE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH HAVING THOSE TWO OPEN BAYS SO THEY CAN TRAIN AND KEEP THEIR APPARATUSES IN. BEACHES GO GREEN FROM ANN MARIE. I KNOW WE HAD THAT PROPOSAL SENT TO US. WHAT I DID SHARE WITH OUR CITY MANAGER LAST FRIDAY IN OUR MEETING WAS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANN MARIE TO COME AND PRESENT THAT PROPOSAL. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT, IT ALLOWS US ALL TO KIND OF HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE TABLE AS WE CAN'T DISCUSS ANYTHING SIDEBARS OR OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION. SO THAT WOULD BE NICE JUST TO HEAR WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY. I DO SUPPORT HER INITIATIVES THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THE PROPOSAL. I HAVE SEEN HER WORK IN ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, AS WELL AS FLETCHER MIDDLE SCHOOL AND FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL NONPROFIT TO SUPPORT, NOT JUST HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT AS COMMISSIONER KELLY SAID, ACROSS THE BEACHES. SO THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT IDEA. COMMISSIONER KELLY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. REGARDING THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN, I WON'T HARP ON IT TOO MUCH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT FDOT IS WORKING AT MAYPORT IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THAT MAYPORT ROAD IS A STATE ROAD. WHAT FRUSTRATES ME IS THAT THE RIGHT HAND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TALKING TO THE LEFT HAND, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, WHO DOES HAVE VERY GOOD CONNECTIONS. LUCKY FOR US WITH FDOT. AND SO MY HOPE IS, IS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE OUR CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR PEDESTRIANS AND CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND OUR STATE FUNDING REGARDING SAFER ROUTES TO SCHOOL. IT IS NOT SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY TREE BY FOOT OR BY BIKE. LIKE THE CHILDREN EAST OF MAYPORT ROAD CAN DO EASILY. FURTHERMORE, FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL IS ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THAT, WITH OUR STUDENTS CROSSING THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING TO WHERE IT'S LATE AND YOU CAN OR YOU CANNOT SEE THE LIGHTING IS REALLY POOR, ME POOR. SO IT WAS WORTH FOR ME TO AT LEAST SHARE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, EVEN IF IT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE PAST THAT CONSULTANT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. [00:25:03] I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE COMMISSION SALARIES THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY TODAY THAT HR WILL PRESENT ON THAT IN TWO WEEKS? OKAY, SO NO NEED TO PUT IN A REQUEST, COMMISSIONER. WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE IN TWO WEEKS. BUT IT'S TIME THE MEMORIAL DAY ATTENDANCE WAS EXCELLENT. THE FACILITIES WERE THE BEST I'VE SEEN. THE TENT WAS AWESOME. THE SHADE FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT ME WAS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS. YEAH, YEAH, WELL. BUT I WHAT I HAVE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY IS I'M SO PROUD OF THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE ALL FIVE OF US WERE THERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING THERE. AND THERE WAS NOBODY EXCEPT THE MAYOR FROM NEPTUNE BEACH, FROM CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH. AND THEN THERE WERE, I THINK, TWO CITY COUNCILORS FROM JAX BEACH ALONG WITH THE MAYOR. SO KUDOS THERE. BUT AND I SHOULD SAY THIS IS NOW OF RECORD. SO TO MAYOR BAILON AND NEPTUNE BEACH, APOLOGIES. BUT SHE AND I KNOW THAT SHE'LL HAVE AT LEAST FIVE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE AT THE NEXT MEMORIAL DAY. ANYWAYS LIFEGUARD STATION JUST VERY IMPRESSIVE, CHIEF VICK. WELL DONE. JUST JUST REALLY NICELY DONE. AND AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT, THE RIBBON CUTTING, BUT THE BUILDING AS WELL. THE. THE BUILDING. REALLY NICELY DONE. APPROPRIATE. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THE FIRE AGREEMENT BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP THE LAST TIME I DID REACH OUT, AND I SPOKE A WEEK, A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO WITH MAYOR DEEGAN. AND SHE'S ARRANGING A MEETING BETWEEN CITY MANAGER MYSELF AND AND HER CHIEF OF STAFF. BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. I WILL SAY THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE MOVEMENT ON THIS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, I WILL BE ASKING THIS COMMISSION AT THE NEXT MEETING TO TAKE ACTION. WE'LL DISCUSS AT THAT TIME WHAT ACTIONS WE MIGHT TAKE, AND WE'LL WE'LL SPEAK TO OUR ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM MAYOR DEEGAN. AND THEN FINALLY I ALSO SUPPORT BEACHES GO GREEN. IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY ORGANIZATION. SO WE JUST NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, I GUESS, IN BUDGETING. OKAY? AND WE'LL FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE REPORTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS AND WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [6. CONSENT AGENDA] ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM SIX A APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-40, 6B, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-41. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-40 AND 25-41, IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO ITEM 9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 25-, PARDON ME 95-25-124 PUBLIC HEARING AND [9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 95-25-124, Public Hearing and Final Reading] FINAL READING, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 23 PROTECTION OF TREES IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, DIVISION THREE PERMITS SECTION 23-23 PERMITS PROCEDURES AND SECTION 23-25 APPEALS AMENDING DIVISION SIX VIOLATIONS, ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES BY MOVING SECTION 23-52, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE INTENT INTO A NEW DIVISION SEVEN ENTITLED ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE AND RENUMBERING. WITH NEW SECTIONS OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF SAID AMENDMENTS. PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT. PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT. PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO BEFORE YOU IS ORDINANCE 9525-124, YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU. I THINK WHAT I'LL DO WITH MY TIME IS AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER RING, I AND ESC MET EARLY ONE THURSDAY MORNING, AND I THINK WE CAME TO SOME CONSENSUS ON SOME CHANGES. AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL GO THROUGH THE CHANGES. IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT PAGE 85, IT'S TITLED PROPOSED CHANGES. [00:30:01] AND WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THIS, I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU SUBSTITUTE THIS FOR THE FIRST READ. SO START GOING THROUGH PAGE 185 AND THEN ON PAGE 85, 86, THEN 87, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST CHANGE, WE PUT A ESC AS A BACK END. IN TERMS OF WE CAN REFER APPLICATIONS TO APPLICATIONS TO ESC. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 188, WE REINSERTED THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT YOU WON'T SEE IT UNDERLINE AND STRIKE THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. SO WE LEFT THE LANGUAGE THERE. AND THEN ON PAGE 89, THIS WAS A IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE THERE WAS WANTED TO THE WAY THE CODE WAS WRITTEN YOU COULD EASILY READ THE CODE AS THOUGH THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEES ACTION IN TERMS OF APPEALS WAS THE FINAL ACTION. AND THAT FINAL ACTION WOULD TRIGGER A NEED TO FILE A FORM ONE FORM. AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS SO THAT THE ESC TREE COMMITTEE WOULD NOT HAVE TO FILE A FORM ONE. WE ADDED THIS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE ADMINISTRATOR UPON CONSIDERING THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE IS GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR. THE ADMINISTRATOR ULTIMATELY MAKES THE DECISION, AND THE ADMINISTRATOR BECOMES THE FINAL ACTION WHO ALREADY FILLS OUT A FORM ONE. SO IF WE GO ON TO PAGE 90 AND THEN 91, YOU'LL SEE THAT PARKS AND PRESERVES, WE DID INSERT PRESERVES. SO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE TOOK OUT ACTIVE PARKS AND PUT PASSIVE PARKS. THIS KEEPS THE ORIGINAL PARKS ADDS PRESERVES AND SECTION WHERE IT SAYS SECTION 23-56 DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND CALL THIS THE THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE BOTH LAST MEETING AND TODAY. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT THAT IT SAYS THE SCOPE OF ACTIVITIES. THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT AND SUGGEST PRIORITIES AND PROJECTS TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN ANNUAL JOINT WORKSHOP WITH ESC TO DISCUSS THE COMMITTEE'S PRIORITIES, SUGGESTED PROJECTS AND ANNUAL WORK PLAN. THE CITY COMMISSION WILL PRIORITIZE THE COMMITTEE'S WORK PLAN RELATED TO THESE PRIORITIES. IF IF WE MOVE ON TO PAGE 93 YOU'LL SEE. SO AT THE TIME, I I SAID I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THIS ALONE, BUT I WENT AHEAD AND INSERTED THE LANGUAGE. SO THERE WAS A DESIRE BY THE ESC COMMITTEES TO LEAVE THE TERMS AT THREE YEARS AND THREE, THREE TERMS OF THREE YEARS. THE COMMISSION MAY REMEMBER THAT THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, AND THERE WAS A TIE VOTE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IN WORKING WITH ESC IS THAT WE LEAVE THE LANGUAGE THERE, THE SAME THAT IT'S THREE TERMS OR THREE YEARS. YOU'LL THEN SEE THAT THE COMMITTEE SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. THIS REESTABLISHES THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE. THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE SHALL DEVELOP AND RECOMMEND POLICIES, PROGRAMS, EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES AIMED AT PRESERVING, PROTECTING, AND ENHANCING THE COMMUNITIES TREE CANOPY. AND THEN ON PAGE 96. THERE WAS A BECAUSE ESC MAY MEET WITHOUT US COMING TO THE CITY MANAGER TWICE IN A MONTH. THERE WAS A DESIRE TO POTENTIALLY IF THERE WAS TWO MEETINGS IN A MONTH AND TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD BE THREE MEETINGS YOU COULD POTENTIALLY IN ONE MONTH, MISS THREE MEETINGS AND THEN BE SUBJECT TO BEING REMOVED. SO WHAT THIS LANGUAGE SAYS IS ANY MEMBER WHO FAILS TO ATTEND THREE MEETINGS IN THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS. SO ANY ANY THREE MEETINGS IN THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS COULD TRIGGER THAT. IT'S JUST TO PREVENT THE BACK TO BACK MEETINGS, BECAUSE NOT ALL MEMBERS MAY GO TO BOTH MEETINGS OR THEY MAY NOT GO TO A TREE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THIS WAS LANGUAGE THAT WE AGREED TO THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE. THEY WE AGREED THAT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEES PURPOSE SHOULD BE TO PRODUCE A SEMIANNUAL REPORT ON THE TREE PERMITTING [00:35:10] PROCESS. NOW, WE WROTE SEMIANNUAL. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SEMI ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. BUT AS IT STATES RIGHT NOW, IT'S A SEMIANNUAL REPORT ON TREE PERMITTING PROCESS. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTS. THERE ARE SOME SCRIVENER'S THERE AS WE WENT IN AND CHANGED SOME CAPITALIZATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH THE ESC MEMBERS. AND THE OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU SEE IN HERE ARE EITHER FROM WHAT YOU PASSED ON, THE FIRST HEARING OR THEY ARE THINGS THAT HAVE INCREMENTALLY BEEN PUT IN. SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION SUBSTITUTE THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. SO IT'D BE PAGES 85 THROUGH 98 I THINK FOR THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS A RESULT OF THE FIRST PERIOD WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FROM OUR ATTORNEY. IS IT SEMI ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL? TO ME, SEMIANNUAL IS TWICE A YEAR. AND THAT'S THE INTENT. CORRECT. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE INTENT IS. YEAH. SO BI ANNUAL WOULD BE EVERY TWO YEARS. SO IT EVERY SIX MONTHS TWICE A YEAR. THE CHAIR IS SAYING THE CHAIR IS SAYING YES. YEAH. OR YOU COULD MAKE IT CLEAR AND SAY TWICE. WE COULD DO THAT. BUT IF SEMIANNUAL IS TWICE A YEAR I'M GOOD. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? I HAVE ONE CAROLYN ZISSER. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE'LL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 9525 124, AS AMENDED. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. ONE THING, YES, I JUST I WAS READING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS DRAFTS. I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IN MY FIVE YEARS OF DOING THIS, THIS IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT, MOST FORWARD LEANING, MOST COMMUNITY INVOLVED ORDINANCE THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH. SO I'M PROUD OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I, I OPPOSED. MOTION IS UNANIMOUS. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE END OF THE JOURNEY AND THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT JOURNEY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO I'M AT NINE B, ORDINANCE NUMBER [9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 95-25-125, Public Hearing and Final Reading] 95-25-125. PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER FIVE BEACHES AND PARKS. ARTICLE THREE PUBLIC PARKS TO ADD A NEW SECTION FIVE DASH 34 ESTABLISHING RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR CONDUCTING BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN CITY OWNED PARKS AND FACILITIES. PROVIDING DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR RULES AND REGULATIONS, PROVIDING PROPOSED PROHIBITIONS, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY AND SCRIVENER'S ERRORS. PROVIDING FOR INCORPORATION AND CODIFICATION IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISTER KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THIS IS OR AT LEAST STAFF REFERS TO AS A BUSINESS IN THE PARKS. THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE RESULT OF THE AMENDMENTS YOU MADE IN THE FIRST HEARING. I'LL RUN THROUGH THEM REAL QUICKLY. SO ON PAGE 102 IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE CITY CAN ONLY CHARGE FEES TO REIMBURSE FOR PUBLIC EXPENDITURES. IT ALSO PROVIDES AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS OF THE CITY MANAGER. IT SETS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE TO JULY 1ST, 2025. AND IN THE POLICY DOCUMENT, IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL IDENTIFY PROPOSED PARKS OR RECREATION FACILITIES, WHICH MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IT COULD BE. THE PROPOSAL COULD INCLUDE MORE THAN ONE PARK PER FACILITY. WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE ORDINANCE 95-25-125, [00:40:10] AS AMENDED DURING THE FIRST HEARING. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS? NO. OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 9525125. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BOLE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GRANT. DISCUSSION. YES. I JUST I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DOES THE WHILE IT ALLOWS US TO RECOVER OUR EXPENSES AND SUPPORTING WHATEVER EVENT IT MAY BE, DOES IT ELIMINATE US OR PREVENT US FROM GENERATING REVENUE BEYOND THAT? I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT DOES, BECAUSE WELL, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION. SO THIS SECTION SAYS CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY. SO MY AUTHORITY IS TO CHARGE FEES TO REIMBURSE FOR PUBLIC EXPENDITURES. IF IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REVENUE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION. I DO WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. OR DO WE WANT TO MAYBE MODIFY THAT LANGUAGE? SO MAYBE YEAH. COULDN'T YOU COME INTO A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH AN EVENT? IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S PERFECT. EXACTLY. I MEAN, TAKE THE FARMER'S MARKET, RIGHT? WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM, EITHER VERBAL OR NONVERBAL. WE, IF I MAY, CAN I INTERJECT? YES. THANK YOU. SO WE CERTAINLY COULD ENTERTAIN OR CONSIDER THIS SORT OF THING. BUT I THINK WE'RE NOW VEERING TOWARDS THERE HAS TO BE A NEXUS BETWEEN THE FEE AND THE SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REVENUE GENERATING, WE START TO VEER INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT TAXES. AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE FOR ANOTHER DAY. I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN ANY POSITION TO. TO CREATE A FEE REVENUE TYPE SITUATION TONIGHT. SO SO IF I MAY. SO ASSUMING WE'RE NOT ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS ON THE CITY AND ITS BUDGET THAT ARE NOT READILY IDENTIFIABLE, I.E. FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET, WHAT'S THE IMPACT IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE SOD, WHAT'S THE IMPACT IF YOU HAVE TO FIX CURBS OR BROKEN ASPHALT FROM, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE USE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD END UP CHARGING WITH REASONABLE ASSESSMENT THAT THAT WE CAN DEFEND? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD AND CAN TAKE INVENTORY OF WHAT THIS WHOLE ENTERPRISE MIGHT, YOU KNOW ENTERTAIN, BUT, YOU KNOW. SO WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, FOR EXAMPLE, IS YET ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO. BUT WE HAVE TO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE FEE THAT'S CHARGED HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL NEXUS TO THE SERVICES. AND IT VERY WELL MAY BE THAT THE SERVICES ARE BEYOND WHAT WE'RE KIND OF CONSIDERING HERE. SO WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF THE CONTRACT HAD US BEING REIMBURSED FOR DAMAGES TO A FACILITY AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF FACILITY, THAT'S A REIMBURSEMENT FOR CITY EXPENSES. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK FOR. SURE. AND ONE SECOND COMMISSIONER, THAT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE KNOW THAT HEAVY TRAFFIC AND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, THE PARKING OF, OF OR THE PLACEMENT OF VENDORS ON THE GRASS OVER TIME, REQUIRES US TO REPLACE THE GRASS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT LIKE AN UNINTENDED OR, YOU KNOW, A DAMAGE TO A BUILDING WASN'T EXPECTED. BUT WE KNOW WHAT DAMAGE OCCURS TO THE GRASS, SO WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COST THAT OUT UP FRONT AND BUILD THAT INTO THE CONTRACT. OKAY, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT AS LONG AS WE CAN QUANTIFY IT, I THINK YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT SPOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES, COMMISSIONER. SO MIGHT BE ABOUT TWO YEARS, MAYBE. WE, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO SURVEY AND EVALUATE OUR OUR COSTS OR THE FEES FOR RENTING OUT A PAVILION OR A DOWNGRADE OR WHATEVER. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CHANGE IN RECREATION DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP. SO IT MIGHT BE TIME TO REVIVE THAT. AND NOW WE HAVE A QUALIFIED DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT WE THAT COULD BE CHARGED TO DO THAT. SO THAT ARE WE CHARGING THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR OUR FACILITIES? THANK YOU. THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. CITY MANAGER CAN THAT BE DONE? [00:45:02] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO DID WE ALREADY. WE ALREADY GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. [9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 5-25-71, Public Hearing and Final Reading] MOVING TO ITEM 9C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-2571. PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA. REPEALING PORTIONS OF PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS REGARDING THE CREATION OF THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE. CHANGING THE TITLE OF CHAPTER FIVE TO BEACHES, PARKS AND RECREATION WITH THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING PROVISIONS GOVERNING THE ARTS, RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING PURPOSE, MEMBERSHIP, TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP, FILLING OF VACANCIES. REMOVAL OF MEMBERS. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. CITY STAFF. ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT PROCEDURES AND RULES, ORGANIZATION OF OFFICE OFFICERS AND LIABILITY TO CITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO AGAIN, ON THE ON PAGE 114, YOU'LL SEE A LIST OF PROPOSED CHANGES. THESE ARE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO 124. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT SAME LANGUAGE, THE ARTS RECREATION CULTURAL COMMITTEE, SHOULD PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT AND SUGGEST PRIORITIES AND PROJECTS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, CITY MANAGER, OR HAVE A JOINT WORKSHOP. AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL PRIORITIZE THE COMMITTEE'S WORK PLAN. YOU'LL SEE THAT SAME LANGUAGE. YOU'LL SEE THE SAME LANGUAGE ABOUT A MAJORITY. THE MAJORITY OF FILLED SEATS SHOULD CONSTITUTE A QUORUM, AND IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OF SEATS TO TAKE ACTION. THAT'S IN BOTH. RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD MEMBERS REVIEW COMMITTEE AND APPROVED BY COMMISSIONERS IN BOTH THE THREE YEARS AND THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, IS IN BOTH. AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S THE CHANGES THAT WERE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ESC AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF. WHAT IS IT, FIVE DASH 25, DASH 771 WITH THE AMENDING PAGES. WHAT IS HERE? PAGES 114 THROUGH 118. OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ORDINANCE NUMBER FIVE, DASH 2571. SECOND. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S A LITTLE GOOF ON MY PART. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. OKAY, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE THAT MOTION AGAIN, PLEASE. I MOVE, WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-21 -71 OR 25-71 . SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND . DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 10A, THIS IS [10.A. Reappointments and Appointments to Environmental Stewardship Committee (ESC) ] REAPPOINTMENTS AND APPOINTMENTS TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE, ESC. IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAD ON PAGE 126, YOU HAD THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN YOU HAD TWO MATRICES, ONE THAT WOULD TAKE THE ESC TO NINE MEMBERS AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD TAKE THEM TO 11 MEMBERS. IF THE ORDINANCE DID NOT PASS TODAY, THAT CHANGED IT TO NINE. THE COMMITTEE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REAPPOINT ANASTASIA HOUSTON AND AMY PALMER TO AN ADDITIONAL TERM. THEY WERE ACTUALLY HOLD OVER ON THEIR TERMS BECAUSE THEIR TERMS ENDED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO WE PERFECTED THAT. AND THEY WILL SERVE IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THEY WILL SERVE THROUGH 12/31 OF 2027 AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPOINT JEANNIE GRACEY TO DISTRICT 1307 VACANCY AND TO APPOINT AMY FRANKIE TO DISTRICT 1312 VACANCY. AND THIS IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT WILL GO OVER BELOW, BECAUSE IN OUR ORDINANCE WE REQUIRE ONE MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE FROM EACH DISTRICT. SO THAT FULFILLS THAT WE HAD NO MEMBERS IN 1307 AND 1312. SO BY YOUR ACTION TODAY, IF YOU APPROVE THIS, WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER IN EACH OF THE FOUR DISTRICTS. [00:50:05] WE THEN ALSO MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO THREE AT AT LARGE VACANCIES. THE COMMITTEE RANKED THE REMAINING CANDIDATES AND PROVIDED THEIR TOP THREE IN RANKING ORDER AS FOLLOWS. CHRISTINA KELCOURSE AS NUMBER ONE FOR THE AT LARGE POSITION, DAN FRANKEL IS NUMBER TWO, AND LAUREN BARDER AS NUMBER THREE. SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU WILL WE WILL NOT BE PLACING DAN FRANKEL AND LAUREN BORDER TODAY BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY TAKE ONE FROM THAT LIST. AND THE FIRST SELECTION WAS CHRISTINA KELCOURSE. AND I WILL SAY THIS, SHE'S VERY, VERY QUALIFIED FOR THIS POSITION AND BRINGS SOME GREAT CREDENTIALS. SO WITH THAT I'LL THE RECOMMENDED MOTION IS TO REAPPOINT AND APPOINT MEMBERS AS REFLECTED IN TABLE ONE OR TABLE TWO, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT THE BASED NINE MEMBERS. THE FIVE. THAT'S FIVE NAMES ANASTASIA HOUSTON, AMY PALMER, JEANNIE GRACIE, CHRISTINA KELCOURSE, AMY FRANKIE. LET'S GO BACK THROUGH THAT. YOU'VE GOT. DID YOU, YOU GAVE ANASTASIA HOUSTON. I READ THE TABLE, THE TOP TABLE THAT. WELL, THESE ARE THE APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN JEANNIE GRACIE, AMY, FRANKIE AND CHRISTINA KELCOURSE. YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON WAIVER REQUEST. [10.B. Public Hearing on Waiver Request (WAIV25-0002)] W A 25 0002. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER FROM SECTION 19 DASH ONE TO ALLOW A PARKING PAD IN CITY RIGHT OF WAY AT 170 CLUB DRIVE. AND I'LL ASK CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE US PROCEDURES. SURE, DECISIONS ON WAIVERS SUCH AS THIS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN PROTOCOLS WE NEED TO FOLLOW. AS FOR THE PROCEDURE FORMAT, THE GENERAL FORMAT IS STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. AFTER THAT, THE APPLICANT IS AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST. THAT'S FOLLOWED BY ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION. THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND THEN AFTER ALL THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANY REBUTTAL WHICH SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP BY THE SPEAKERS. AND THEN THAT'S CLOSED. AND THE THE COMMISSION MAKES ITS DELIBERATIONS AND AND MAKES A DECISION. THESE ARE SUBSTANTIAL. SO YOUR QUASI JUDICIAL CONSIDERATION HERE AND ACTION MUST BE BASED ON WHAT'S CALLED SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE, WHICH MEANS THE DECISION MUST BE SUPPORTED BY FACT BASED TESTIMONY OR EXPERT TESTIMONY, AND NOT THE GENERALIZED CONCERNS OR OPINIONS OF OF ANY PARTICULAR PERSON. AND LASTLY BECAUSE THESE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, BECAUSE OF THEIR NATURE, EACH COMMISSIONER MUST DISCLOSE ON THE RECORD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS YOU MAY HAVE HAD WITH ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THE HEARING ON THE ITEM. THIS WOULD INCLUDE A BRIEF STATEMENT OF WHEN THE COMMUNICATION OCCURRED, WHO THE COMMUNICATION WAS WITH, AND THEN BRIEFLY, WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER COMMUNICATION WAS ABOUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. OKAY. AND I HAVE NONE TO DISCLOSE. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE SPEAKING ON THIS TODAY? IF YOU ARE SPEAKING, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY, SO OUR APPLICANTS ARE NOT HERE. OKAY. THEN LADAYIJA, CAN YOU SWEAR IN OUR ONLY SPEAKER ON THIS? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? THE WHOLE TRUTH? YES, I DO. OKAY. MISS ASKEW. HI. GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. THE APPLICANTS WERE NOT PRESENT AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETING, EITHER. THE REQUEST BEFORE US TONIGHT IS FOR 170 CLUB DRIVE. IT'S TO WAIVE SECTION 19 DASH ONE TO ALLOW PARKING PAD IN THE CITY. RIGHT OF WAY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CLUB DRIVE, EAST OF OCEAN BOULEVARD. IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS2. A NEW SINGLE HOME WAS COMPLETED IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 ON THIS PROPERTY AND IN SEPTEMBER OF 24, CODE ENFORCEMENT PLACED A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE PROJECT FOR THE [00:55:08] INSTALLATION OF A GRAVEL PARKING PAD ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A PERMIT FOR IT. SO THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL GRASS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE STREET, AND THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT SHOWS THE GRAVEL PARKING PAD THAT WAS ADDED. ADDITIONAL PICTURE, THEY ACTUALLY WENT IN. GRAVEL IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T LIKE ADJACENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE STREET. IT MIGRATES INTO THE STREET AND THE STORM DRAINS AND CAUSES PROBLEMS. SO AGAIN, WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEY WENT IN AND ADDED A PAVER BORDER, WHICH ALLOWS THE KEEPS THE GRAVEL HOPEFULLY IN PLACE IN THAT LOCATION. THE SECTION OF THE CODE 19 DASH ONE C PROHIBITS ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, INCLUDING PARKING SPACES OR ANY WORK CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY OR ITEM WHICH CREATES AN OBSTRUCTION, WHETHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY, TO THE FREE AND COMPLETE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN SECTION 19 TWO AUTHORIZES STAFF TO ISSUE A PERMIT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BASED ON THE BENEFIT OF THE USE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE WAIVER TO ALLOW THE GRAVEL PARKING PAD, WITH THE BORDER OF PAVERS TO REMAIN IN PLACE TODAY. AND AGAIN, A PICTURE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE SHOWING THE PARKING PAD. IF YOU REMEMBER, THE STOP COMMITTEE MADE IT, MADE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING DEMARCATING THE PARKING SPACES THAT THEY WERE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES, NOT PRIVATE PARKING SPACES AND NOT OBSTRUCTING AND PLACING THINGS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO OBSTRUCT THE RIGHT OF WAY. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS WENT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. IT WAS A VOTE OF 4 TO 2. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION REGARDING PARKING PADS. BUT IN 24 DASH 66, A WAIVER SHALL NOT BE IMPROVED UNLESS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE IS UNREASONABLE. COMPLIANCE CONFLICTS WITH A PUBLIC INTEREST AND COMPLIANCE IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. SO YOU ARE TO VOTE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME. QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT WHERE THE SHOT OF OTHER. YEAH. THAT'S ON THE NORTH END OF CLUB DRIVE. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MAN IN TERMS OF IT? LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A HODGEPODGE OF DRIVEWAYS HERE IN TERMS OF LOOKS LIKE SOME ARE FAIRLY WIDE THAT GO INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, SOME AREN'T. I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION IN TERMS OF CONSISTENCY OR CHARACTER WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF COMMITTEE AND STAFF WRESTLES WITH ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMITIES OUT THERE, A LOT OF EXISTING PARKING PADS AS STAFF. IT PUTS US IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION. WHEN I TELL YOU, TELL AN APPLICANT THAT IT'S AGAINST CODE AND THEN THEY POINT AND THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS ONE AND, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 HOUSES DOWN THE STREET HAS ONE. BUT STAFF UPHOLDS THE CODE AND CONTENDS THAT THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING ON SITE AND THE PARKING PADS NOT NECESSARILY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY HAVE SPACE WITHIN THEIR, THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY TO HAVE A PARKING PAD OFF OF THEIR DRIVEWAY OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. IS THERE A DRIVEWAY? I GUESS THAT'S A TWO CAR, TWO LANE DRIVEWAY. YES. LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. WHO'S THE APPLICANT? IF YOU DON'T MIND. YES. IT'S MAURICE MITCHELL. HENRY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? NO. HEARING NONE. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW WE CAN GET INTO OUR OWN DELIBERATION. I'D LIKE TO LEAD OFF ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT I. THIS ONE REALLY CONCERNS ME AND I. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BY THE WAY. NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AS FAR AS ESTHETICS. ARE WE OKAY? NO NO NO. OKAY. WHENEVER HE MOVES IN MY DIRECTION. BUT HERE'S THE CONCERN. AND I'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS WHEN PEOPLE WITHOUT APPROVAL ESTABLISH THEIR OWN PARKING PADS AND THEN THEY MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE THEIR DRIVEWAYS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE PAVERS LOOK LIKE THEIR PAVERS OR NOT, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CITY PARKING PAD. SO THEN CITIZENS ARE AFRAID TO PARK THERE BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT'S PRIVATE. AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS WE REALLY NEED A CITY WIDE POLICY THAT ACTUALLY NOT ONLY ALLOWS PARKING PADS, BUT ENCOURAGES PARKING PADS IF THEY USE THE CITY SPECS, I.E. [01:00:06] TURF BLOCK. WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED TURF BLOCK ON SOME OF OUR RIGHT OF WAYS IN ATLANTIC BEACH, ON THE FINGER STREETS, THE NUMBERED STREETS. SO IT WOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT TO CODIFY THAT TO WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR AN EXCEPTION, BUT COULD SIMPLY APPLY FOR A PERMIT. I ASSUME THAT COULD BE. I KNOW IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT STILL WOULD BE A PERMIT PROCESS, CORRECT? SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ESTABLISH THE MATERIAL THAT CAN BE USED SO THAT EVERYWHERE YOU GO AROUND THE CITY, IF YOU SEE TURF BLOCK ALONG A STREET, YOU MIGHT START TO RECOGNIZE THAT IS PUBLIC PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02. OTHER COMMENTS. I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR, BUT THIS IS VERY CLEAR CUT TO ME THAT THEY DIDN'T GET THE PERMIT. THEY PUT IT IN. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE SCALE CHANGE THAT. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN NOW PARK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT? I CAN, YOU KNOW, ROADS I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND IF YOU GO TO THOSE RESIDENTS, HEY, THAT'S THAT'S NOT RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S MY PROPERTY. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY DRIVEWAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU WE'VE KIND OF GRANDFATHERED SO MUCH THAT THAT'S A WHOLESALE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO SELL THAT. AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE POPULACE THAT YOU CAN PARK THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S BIG. THIS, TO ME, IS SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T LIVE UP TO THE CODE AND WAS TOLD TO LIVE UP TO THE CODE. SO. WELL, AND I JUST HAVE TO COMMENT BY THE VERY FACT THAT THERE WAS A42 VOTE AGAINST FROM THE CDB. IT WASN'T A CLOSE CALL. IT WAS IS DECIDED, BUT OTHER COMMENTS. WELL, NORMALLY I WOULD SAY BUILD TO THE LOT YOU'VE GOT, BUT THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM. OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, TO DENY THE CONDITIONS AND DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE WAIVER. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. LET'S SEE. AND SEPARATE THESE PAGES. OH. WE'RE TO YOUR FAVORITE PART. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, CAN WE GET SOME COMMENTS FROM YOU [11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS] TODAY? SURE. JUST ONE QUICK ONE. I DID SEND AN EMAIL LAST WEEK. I BELIEVE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO ON THE FORM ONE. JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER WE FINALLY DID IT. I THINK EVERYONE HERE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED SOMETHING FROM THE THE STATE ETHICS COMMISSION. SO JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER. WE STILL HAVE SOME TIME, BUT JULY 1ST WILL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT AND THEN THE ETHICS TRAINING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LADAYIJA, COMMENT. NO. THANK YOU FOR A JOB WELL DONE TODAY. NO. LET'S GO TO CLOSING COMMENTS FROM I'M GOING TO REVERSE ORDER THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. [12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER] COMMISSIONER RING. CAN YOU LEAD US OFF? YEAH, JUST THAT SCHOOL GETS OUT ON FRIDAY, SO WATCH OUT FOR THOSE. E-BIKES WILL BE TRIPLED OR QUADRUPLED AT ALL TIMES OF DAY. THE SPLASH PAD AT DONNER PARK IS OPEN, AND IT'S WONDERFUL. OKAY. THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER KELLY. WE HAVE SIX MONTHS TO PLAN FOR OUR BIRTHDAY PARTY. WE WILL BE 100 YEARS OLD NEXT JANUARY. SO WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THAT. AND THEN WE NEED TO BUDGET THE MONEY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVERY IT'S NOT EVERY YEAR WE TURN 100. AGREED. COMMISSIONER GRANT? YES. JUST ONE THING I WANT TO CHALLENGE. THE ESC COMMITTEE. NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THE ORDINANCE AND I'VE MENTIONED IT TO OTHERS, YOU KNOW, A FEW PEOPLE ON THE ESC AND IN TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR TREES WE'VE TALKED A MULTITUDE OF THINGS WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, TELL THE REALTOR, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO IMMEDIATELY IS FIND A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SIT WITH THE ESC OR THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE, AS A HOMEOWNER LOOKING TO WHETHER IT'S TO CLEAR YOUR LOT OR WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN, YOU GET A DISCOUNT OF WHATEVER PERCENT YOU WANT TO APPLY TO THAT, TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES, TO CUT DOWN ALL YOUR TREES OR TO LANDSCAPE YOUR YOUR, YOUR LOT IN A MANNER THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO WHAT THE ESC IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S REPLACING ALL YOUR PALM TREES WITH THREE OAKS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TO, TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER WITH. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE PART, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO JUST, YOU KNOW, MEASURING TREES AND, AND HAVING THE HOMEOWNER WRITE A CHECK. [01:05:02] I MEAN, I THINK WE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT WHEN YOU DO THAT AND, AND SOME OF THESE LOTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO LANDSCAPE THE YARD. SO WHY NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT LOOK AS MUCH AS THE WAY WE WANT TO AND PUTTING IN THE RIGHT SPECIES TREES AS, AS POSSIBLE. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. I'M GLAD COMMISSIONER KELLY BROUGHT UP THE BIRTHDAY. I JUST HAD AN IDEA THAT IF SOMEHOW WE COULD CONNECT THAT WITH DANCING IN THE STREETS OR ONE OF THE OTHER FESTIVALS THAT WE DO, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RIDE THE BACK OF THAT. WE WERE PART OF BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY AND WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE WEEKEND CELEBRATING. ATLANTIC BEACH. JUST AN IDEA. I GO TO THE MEETING NEXT TUESDAY. I SAVED MINE FOR THE LAST ON MEMORIAL DAY. IT'S INTERESTING. I WAS TALKING TO SOME OF MY COMPATRIOTS, AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE, I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES THAT TALKED ABOUT GENERATIONS UNDERSTANDING WHAT MEMORIAL DAY REALLY IS. IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING A VETERAN. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T COME BACK. AND THE YOUNGER YOU ARE, AND MY DAUGHTERS ARE AS GUILTY AS THIS. AND SHE THEY ACTUALLY KNEW PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T COME BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO US. I GUESS MY GENERATION, US OLD GUYS TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A SACRIFICE THAT THEY MAY NOT SEE IN THEIR BACKYARD, BUT I BET THEY'VE GOT A RELATIVE OR THEY GOT SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND AND REALLY PROUD THAT WE PUT THE MONEY INTO THAT MEMORIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP OVER THERE WITH THOSE NAMES, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY MILITARY COMMUNITY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO THROW A ROCK VERY FAR. AND I WAS SITTING IN THE CROWD AND ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT WAS PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME THAT DIDN'T COME BACK, YOU KNOW, BY NAME. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I THINK IT'S UP TO OUR GENERATION AND SUCCEEDING GENERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT. THANKS. MY DAUGHTER WAS AT UNF AT NINE OVER 11, AND PEOPLE GOT UP OUT OF CLASS AND WENT TO THE RECRUITING STATION. WOW. SO AGREED ON ALL THOSE COMMENTS. CLOSING THE WE THIS IS KIND OF TO YOU, CITY MANAGER. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING SIGNAGE AND YOU HEARD IT MENTIONED TODAY THAT OUR ENTRY POINTS IN THE CITY DECLARING TREE CITY USA AND POSSIBLY ADDING THE LINE BELOW IT. CALL BEFORE YOU CUT. OKAY, NOW, NOT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL GO. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT AT LEAST STARTS THE DIALOG. CAN WE DO THAT? AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, HOW SOON CAN WE DO THAT? AND BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT WE. THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. I, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SAY THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO SAY, BUT WE HAVE MADAM CHAIRMAN FROM THE ESC HERE. CALL BEFORE YOU CUT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. A SLOGAN BY THE PREVIOUS THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED THIS TIME OF YEAR IS THAT. YEAH. I'M SORRY. THEY DO WHAT? OH. SUBCOMMITTEE. OKAY. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TREES. YEAH. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. BUT THE COMMISSIONERS GET PAID MORE. YEAH. MAYOR I'VE DOOR KNOCKERS , T HEY'RE REALLY INEXPENSIVE, AND THEY CAN GO ON THAT DOOR AS SOON AS SOMEONE WALKS IN. AND THEY JUST PURCHASED A NEW WITH. WELL, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT NEXT, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THIS. CAN WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK THE SIGNS ARE WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGNS. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE LANDSCAPING TO COME IN BEFORE WE PLACE THE SIGNAGE. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE CALL BEFORE WE CUT MONIKER. THAT WILL HAVE TO ORDER, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGN READY TO PLACE. I THINK IT'S A WAY OF JUST STARTING THE DIALOG. WHO SAYS THAT CALL BEFORE YOU CUT? BUT THAT'S THAT AND THEN. ONE SAYS, CALL BEFORE YOU DIG. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE YOU GO TO WHATEVER IT IS. SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IS HOW DO WE GET I DOING DOOR KNOCKERS, MAYBE. BUT HOW DO WE GET TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST ARRIVED THAT MIGHT CUT A TREE, EVEN OUT OF IGNORANCE, NOT OUT OF MALICE. AND SO I THINK YOU SUGGESTED, COULD WE DO THAT THROUGH THE WHEN THEY TURN ON THE WATER? WOULD THAT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SNAG THOSE PEOPLE? THAT WOULD BE SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD YOU WANT STAFF TO DO THAT, OR WOULD YOU WANT A ESC TO DO THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD WANT TO BE A NONPROFIT TO DO IT? I THINK THE MESSAGE. SO WHAT I, WHAT I MENTIONED LAST TIME WAS THAT RIVERSIDE AVONDALE PRESERVATION. THEY MONITOR THE NEW PURCHASES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEY BRING A LITTLE BASKET IN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE IS YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT HERE. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE RULES, BUT THEY'RE A NONPROFIT. [01:10:03] AND SO IT'S NOT THE CITY DOING THAT. IT'S A NONPROFIT DOING THAT. OR MAYBE IT COULD BE ESC DOING THAT. IT'S CITIZEN TO CITIZEN. IT'S NOT THE CITY TO CITIZEN. INTERESTING. SO I YOU KNOW, I LEAVE THAT UP TO THE COMMISSION'S GUIDANCE ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED WITH THAT. BUT IN GENERAL. YES. SO IT OCCURS TO ME THAT IF WE USE THE WATER METHOD, NOT EVERYBODY'S TURNING ON WATER AS AN OWNER. SOME ARE TURNING ON WATER AS A TENANT SO THEY CAN IGNORE IT. WELL, THEY COULD IGNORE IT. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN A GIVEN YEAR GO TO CITY HALL TO TURN ON WATER? IF I KNEW THAT NUMBER, MAYBE YOU COULD BRING THAT BACK TO US. OR A ROUGH IDEA AT THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE WE'D NEED TO LIMIT IT TO THOSE WHO TURN ON WATER WITHIN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH BOUNDARIES. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO IF YOU SAID IT'S 150 A YEAR, I DON'T THINK CITY HALL CAN'T HANDLE THAT. THEY JUST HAVE TO KNOW TO HAND OUT. YEAH. THEY PUT A SIGN RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU CHECK IN . YEAH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT STAFF COULDN'T HANDLE THAT. MY SUGGESTION IS THAT I THINK THE REASON WHY RAP DOES IT IS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT THE CITY DOING IT, BUT WE HAVE ONE MEMBER FROM EACH DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR DISTRICT. KNOW YOUR DISTRICT. YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF THING, TOO. THAT WOULDN'T HURT. YEAH, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHO JUST CLOSED ON A PURCHASE. I MEAN, AND HERE'S THE THING THAT I, I'VE OBSERVED IS PEOPLE ARE RATHER QUICK ABOUT CUTTING OUR TREES DOWN ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. WELL, NO, I MEAN, THEY JUST CLOSED YESTERDAY AND THE TREE IS CUTTING GETTING CUT DOWN TODAY. YEAH. SO AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE LIKE THERE IN NEW JERSEY FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY'VE GOT THIS SPIFFY NEW HOUSE DOWN SOUTH AND THEY'VE GOT A DEVELOPERS THAT. DA DA DA DA DA DA DA. AND BOOM, IT'S CUT BEFORE THEY EVEN GET HERE. BECAUSE THEY'RE. YEAH. THEY WANT THE DEVELOPMENT DONE BEFORE THEY GET HERE. SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND PERHAPS CONSULT WITH OUR ESC. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE FINAL COMMENTS FROM MR. KILLINGSWORTH. YOU HAVE THE FINAL NOTHING FURTHER. MAYOR. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.