>> WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND GUESTS.
[CALL TO ORDER]
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BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING, WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE, IF YOU'LL JOIN WITH ME PLEASE.BLESS THIS CHAMBER, THIS CITY, AND EVERY VOICE THAT RISES WITH HOPE FOR A BETTER TOMORROW.
MAY OUR WORK TONIGHT BE GUIDED BY TRUTH, COURAGE, AND COMPASSION.
>> I CALL THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED JUNE 9TH, 2025 TO ORDER.
CAN YOU DO ROLL CALL, PLEASE? I'M GOING TO DO IT WITH EACH PERSON.
I'LL DO IT THAT WAY. WE HAVE A NEW VOICE RECOGNITION SYSTEM SO BEAR WITH ME.
EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS; I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY.
IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME DISTRICT, AND SEAT NUMBER.
>> I KNOW MY SEAT. I DON'T KNOW MY NUMBER.
>> CANDACE KELLY, C4, DISTRICT 1306.
>> JESSICA RING, 1312, COMMISSION SEAT 5.
>> THOMAS GRANT, DISTRICT 1307, SEAT 3.
>> WELL DONE. SORRY TO SPRING THAT ON YOU.
I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU HEADS UP TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR DISTRICT NUMBER IS.
>> IS THAT GOOD? KEVIN, WE'RE GOOD.
I GUESS WE DON'T NEED TO DO ROLL CALL AT THIS POINT.
>> JUST THAT COMMISSIONER BOLE IS ABSENT.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> LET'S MOVE RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA.
ITEM 1A, MINUTES OF THE COMMISSION WORKSHOP HELD ON MAY 27TH, 2025.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.
ITEM 1B, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MAY 27TH, 2025.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS THERE? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
WE'LL MOVE INTO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS, ITEM 2.BUT BEFORE WE CALL UP OUR FIRST SPEAKER, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY; SOMEBODY WHO HAS DEDICATED THEIR LIFE IT SEEMS 35 YEARS.
BY THE WAY, WHERE'S RICK CARPER? RICK, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT JAMES OR?
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME AND SIT IN MY CHAIR.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE AT THE LUNCHEON WE GAVE FOR JAMES AT PUBLIC WORKS LAST WEEK.
I'VE KNOWN JAMES LONGER THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM EXCEPT HIS FAMILY AND I'LL SAY HE IS THE HARDEST WORKER AND MOST DEPENDABLE PERSON IN MY DEPARTMENT.
>> HE GAVE 35 YEARS OF SERVICE.
[INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER] THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH [INAUDIBLE].
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>> COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, TODAY WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE SO THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED IN DONNA? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE? WELL THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
>> ELLIOT ZISSER, BEACH AVENUE, ATLANTIC BEACH.
I AM COMING HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 6A ON THE AGENDA WHICH APPEARS TO BE AN INVITATION BETWEEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ICE TO CARRY OUT CERTAIN FUNCTIONS FOR AND ON BEHALF OF ICE.
THE PERSON THAT'S LISTED PROVIDING A BACKGROUND IS THE CHIEF OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I AM SURE HE IS MOTIVATED BY GOOD THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I DO NOT KNOW, DO NOT FEEL, DO NOT THINK THAT ATLANTIC BEACH EITHER NEEDS OR BENEFITS FROM AN ASSOCIATION WITH SOME ORGANIZATION LIKE ICE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHO INITIATED THE CONTACT? WAS IT ICE CONTACTING ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE OR VICE VERSA?
>> THIS IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M PRESENTING. THE SECOND IS WHY? LIVING IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND OBSERVING THE VARIOUS STREETS CLOSE TO THIS BUILDING, TO MY HOUSE, TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A LARGE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A ONE LANGUAGE COMMUNITY, AND DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ILLEGAL RESIDENTS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
AGAIN, WHY DO WE NEED IT? IN WALKING DOWN BEACH AVENUE, I DO OBSERVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION AND PROGRESS ON NEW UNITS AND PEOPLE WORKING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ARE LATINOS AND I WONDER TO MYSELF, MAYBE SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT DOCUMENTED, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY'RE WORKING.
THEY'RE IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITY.
WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO CREATE A PROBLEM WHEN NO PROBLEM REALLY EXISTS? I SAW A COUPLE OF ARTICLES JUST BY COINCIDENCE THAT DREW MY ATTENTION TO THIS PROBLEM IN SUNDAY'S TIMES UNION IN AN ARTICLE BY A FELLOW BY NAME OF JACK MILLS.
IT SAYS THAT THE RAIDS; AND THIS WAS SOME RAIDS THAT PICKED UP PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE, DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN A HIGH CRIME AREA, NO BACK ALLEYS, ETC.
OFFICIALS DETAILED UNIFORMED WORKERS DIRECTLY.
I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT AN EYE ISSUE AND HAVE TROUBLE READING IT.
IN ANY EVENT WOULD SAY THERE APPEARED TO BE NO REASON FOR
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THE INCIDENTS AND PEOPLE NEVERTHELESS GOT ARRESTED.ANOTHER ARTICLE BY FRANK CERABINO IN SUNDAY TIMES UNION SAYS, "SHUTTING DOWN CONSTRUCTION SITES IS NOT THE WAY FOR ICE TO MAKE ITS ARREST QUOTA." IN TODAY'S PAPER, THERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT STARTS, WHERE ARE TALLAHASSEE'S ICE DETAINEES LOCATED? IN OTHER WORDS, ICE AS I HAVE BEFORE, MOVE THESE PEOPLE TO VARIOUS PLACES WITHOUT NOTICE AND OFTEN WITH PROCEDURES SUCH AS MASS AND OTHERWISE HIDING OF CREDENTIALS AND IDENTITY.
I THINK THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF WHAT ATLANTIC BEACH REQUIRES OF ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A REASON AND LIKE THE PERSON THAT WAS SENT TO AL SALVADOR WHEN THERE WAS NO ARREST WARRANT AND HE WASN'T CHARGED WITH A CRIME AND HE WAS LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY.
WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS CRIMINAL THAT WAS UNKNOWN AT THE TIME, THE POINT IS HE WAS NOT GIVEN DUE PROCESS BEFORE THEY SHIPPED HIM ON AN AIRPLANE TO A COUNTRY THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAID HE COULDN'T DO IT.
ANYWAY, THESE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS.
IT EXPOSES THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO LIABILITY FOR WHAT PEOPLE DO IN FURTHERANCE OF ICE-
>> PENNY RUCKUS, 1870 NORTH SHERRY DRIVE, ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'VE JUST GOT ONE SIMPLE THING TO SAY.
WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHATEVER WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS FOLLOWING THE LAW WITH ICE, IT IS THE LAW.
IF YOU DO NOT DO THAT, YOU WILL BE UNDER A PENALTY OF THE STATE AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I SUGGEST YOU THINK ABOUT IT HARD.
IF YOU DON'T SIGN THIS, YOU NOT ONLY PUT YOURSELVES IN DANGER, BUT YOU ALSO PUT THE CITY IN DANGER AS FAR AS FEDERAL FUNDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO FALL ON WHATEVER SWORD THEY WANT TO FALL ON, BUT AS FAR AS PUTTING THE CITY AND YOURSELVES IN DANGER, I THINK IT'S A RIDICULOUS IDEA.
YOU NEED TO SIGN THE PROCLAMATION THAT CAME FROM THE STATE THAT IS TO WORK WITH ICE IF THEY COME HERE.
I THINK DESANTIS IS THE ONE THAT'S DOING THIS WITH ALL THE CITIES.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU.
>> MICHAEL HOFFMAN, LIVE ON CAMILLA STREET IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
EXCELLENT COMMENTS PRECEDING ME.
I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION.
IT'S ON THE ASSENT AGENDA WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE PLACE WHERE THINGS GO WHEN THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DEBATE ON IT.
THERE'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE ANY DEBATE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ABOUT ICE BECAUSE NO ONE HERE WANTS TO GET INSIDE WAVE WITH RON DESANTIS.
HE'S A VERY SCARY FELLOW WHO DOESN'T FORGET ANYONE WHO CROSSES HIM.
WE'VE SEEN THAT ACROSS THE STATE WITH THE OTHER COUNTY AND CITY COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO RAISE A FLAG.
IT'S GOING TO COME. WE KNOW THAT.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS.
FIRST, WHEN DONALD TRUMP RAN FOR PRESIDENT LAST TIME, HE PROMISED THAT HE WAS GOING TO GET RID OF IMMIGRANTS WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS.
NOW, THIS WAS A LIGHTNING BOLT FOR HIM, BUT THIS HAD BEEN THE POLICY OF OBAMA AND BIDEN.
IT'S NOTHING NEW AND IT'S PERFECTLY LOGICAL.
IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE A CRIMINAL, YOU NEED TO GO.
THAT GOES FOR DOMESTIC CRIMINALS AS WELL.
WE DON'T NEED THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED AS SOON AS TRUMP GOT IN OFFICE, THE IDEA THAT ICE AND THE OTHER HRS GROUPS WERE GOING TO GO AND GET THE CRIMINALS,
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WAS THROWN ASIDE AND INSTEAD, A QUOTA SYSTEM WAS INSTITUTED.IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW THAT TOO.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK IT UP. THERE ARE QUOTAS.
HOLMAN, THE TOP CHIEF, HE'S DOWN ON POLICE AND VARIOUS AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO MEET THE QUOTAS.
THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A QUOTA AND DUE PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEING SENT ALL KINDS OF PLACES WITHOUT DUE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF A QUOTA.
NOW, OUR POLICE ARE NOW GOING TO BE PART OF THIS VAST MACHINERY.
I DON'T THINK IN POLICE ACADEMY OR WHEREVER THEY WERE EDUCATED, THEY WERE TOLD THAT QUOTAS WERE LEGITIMATE, THAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT QUOTAS WERE LEGAL.
WE'RE PUTTING OUR OWN POLICE OFFICERS IN MORAL, ETHICAL, AND POTENTIALLY LEGAL JEOPARDY BY ENROLLING THEM IN THIS THING.
SECONDLY, THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR ME AS YOU CAN TELL AND I'VE FORGOTTEN MY THOUGHT THERE FOR JUST A MOMENT.
ALLOW ME JUST TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
IF THIS THING GOES SOUTH; THIS ATTEMPT TO MASS DEPORT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO YOU ALL.
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO ALL THE CITY COMMISSIONS AND COUNTY COMMISSIONS IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES SOUTH.
AS I SAY, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE HERE AND PROBABLY SOME OF YOU DON'T REALLY WANT A CHOICE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS THING, IF IT GOES BAD, IS GOING TO COME ONTO YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE GUILT AND POSSIBLY THE LEGAL COMPLICATIONS. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. ANDY PITLER, 290 BEACH AVENUE.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT TOPIC, ACTUALLY, SPECIFICALLY, 3C.
ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD ABOUT ADDING A COUPLE OF WORDS TO THE EXISTING CODE TO MAKE ON SITE SAME PARCEL PARKING CONSISTENT WITH OFFSITE DIFFERENT PARCEL PARKING.
ALSO, IN YOUR PACKAGE, THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM WITH SOME BACKGROUND.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RAISED, I THINK, CONSIDERED ACTUALLY TERMED SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS.
TO THE DEGREE, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, I FIND THEM UNFOUNDED.
THEY FELLED IN TWO CATEGORIES; ONE, MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT DIFFICULTIES OF ONSITE PARKING AND OPERATIONAL CONFLICTS.
IN TERMS OF COMPLICATING TRACKING AND ENFORCEMENT OF ONSITE PARKING, I THINK CANDIDLY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT TRUE.
AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, HAVING SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, TENANTS IN THE SAME PARCEL IS LIKELY EASIER TO TRACK AND ENFORCE AS THERE'S A COMMON LANDLORD, TYPICALLY SO ONE THROAT TO CHOKE, IF YOU WILL, TO ADDRESS ISSUES BETWEEN ANY TENANTS AND TO SPELL OUT SPECIFICS IN THOSE TENANTS LEASE AGREEMENTS.
I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP ENFORCING THAT.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WITHOUT CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN SPACES ALLOCATED TO DIFFERENT USES, IT BECOMES CHALLENGING TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH PARKING REGULATIONS.
TO THE DEGREE, I UNDERSTAND THIS, I'D MAKE THREE POINTS.
ONE, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S PARKING WHERE, THEY NEED TO ADHERE TO ANY AND ALL CITY PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
TWO, CLARITY BETWEEN PARTIES TO A PARKING AGREEMENT, WHO HAVE RIGHTS TO CERTAIN SPACES AT CERTAIN TIMES, I THINK IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
TYPICALLY OUTLINED IN A LEASING AGREEMENT.
I HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT IN A SHARED BUILDING, AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, AND OTHER TENANTS HAVE ALSO VERY SPECIFIC AGREEMENTS SO IT'S EASY TO ACTUALLY LOOK AND SEE WHO'S GOT RIGHTS TO WHAT SPACES, WHEN.
LAST, BUT LEAST, THERE'S OPERATIONAL CONFLICTS WAS RAISED AS A CONCERN WHERE OVERLAPPING PEAK HOURS FOR SEPARATE BUSINESSES MAY LEAD TO INSUFFICIENT PARKING AVAILABILITY.
THE CURRENT CODE, AS IT READS RIGHT NOW, PERMITS PARKING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN BUSINESSES ON SEPARATE PARCELS WITH VARYING PEAK HOURS
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AND PART OF THAT CODE SAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW OR HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE ANY OF THOSE.THERE'S ALREADY A CHECK AND BALANCE ON OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE RIGHTS TO APPROVE.
ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION, THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE FOR ONSITE PARKING AGREEMENTS.
THERE'S A STOP GAP, IF YOU WILL, FOR CITY APPROVAL, FOR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE PEAK HOURS ARE GOING TO OVERLAP.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I THINK SAME PARCEL PARKING IS FUNDAMENTALLY SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT.
INSTEAD OF WALKING 400 YARDS TO GO TO YOUR RESTAURANT OR RETAIL, IT'S SAFER ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE IN THE BUILDING, SAFER FOR EMPLOYEES, SAFER FOR VISITORS, SAFER FOR CUSTOMERS AS A DEFAULT.
I THINK ANY DISPUTES OR CONCERNS HERE AROUND ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, AS I SAID, ARE RELATIVELY UNFOUNDED BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT AND APPROVE THE CDB RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU.
>> AT THIS TIME, I'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR,
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 3, CITY MANAGER REPORTS.>> I SOMEWHAT FEEL LIKE I WON'T BE TALKING FOR THE NEXT HOUR.
BECAUSE I HAVE A THROUGH J, NOT ALL OF WHICH IS ON YOUR AGENDA.
THE FIRST ITEM IS THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
YOU DO HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS ON THE FRONT HERE FOR JUNE THROUGH AUGUST, BUT THERE IS ALSO THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN COMMISSION WORKSHOP ON THE 16TH, SO THAT'S A SPECIAL COMMITTEE MEETING OR COMMISSION MEETING.
THEN WE HAVE WILD WONDERS ON THE 7TH OF JUNE, MIDSUMMER NIGHTS, ON THE 14TH AT JOHANSEN PARK, WILD WONDERS AGAIN AT DUTTON ISLAND ON THE 21ST, MOVIE IN THE PARK AT BOLL PARK ON THE 21ST AS WELL.
THEN TOWN HALL MEETING ON THE 19TH OF JULY AND WE HAVE A MOVIE IN THE PARK AGAIN AT JOHANSEN PARK THIS TIME IN AUGUST OF 16.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'D RECOMMEND NOT ADOPTION, BUT APPROVAL OF THE 90 DAY CALENDAR.
>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? YOU HAVE YOUR 90 DAY CALENDAR.
>> MR. MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE.
WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ON THE FLEET MANAGEMENT FOR THE POLICE FORCE? YOU MAY REMEMBER, MR. MAYOR, THAT WE WERE ASKED TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS FOR AGING OUT OUR FLEET, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS IN VARIOUS STATES AND HAS A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE.
AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE WERE TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH A STANDARDIZED PROCEDURE FOR DETERMINING WHEN OUR VEHICLES NEED REPLACEMENT.
>> CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> I'M SORRY. ED PECK, LIEUTENANT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VEHICLES.
[BACKGROUND] WE DID A STUDY OR A REVIEW OF SOME STUDIES LAST YEAR IN JULY.
WE FOUND THREE DIFFERENT STUDIES THAT WERE DONE AROUND THE COUNTRY, THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU CAN SEE, WE FOUND ONE DONE IN MASSACHUSETTS BY UMASS, WE FOUND ONE DONE IN TENNESSEE AND THEN ONE HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE LOOKED AT THOSE THREE AND THE VARIOUS PARAMETERS THAT THEY HAVE, AND WE CAME UP WITH A DECISION.
SOME OF THE COMMON CRITERIA, MILEAGE AND AGE, EIGHT YEARS AND 80,000 MILES, IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PURSUIT RATED VEHICLES
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SO THAT WOULD BE ANY OF OUR MARKED POLICE CARS, ANY VEHICLE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, IT'S MISSING ON THE BOTTOM THERE, BUT ALSO REPAIR COST AND CONDITION.THOSE ARE SOME COMMON CRITERIA.
THE ONE THAT UMASS DID, YOU CAN SEE, THEY SET IT AT EIGHT YEARS, 80,000 MILES IS WHAT THEY LOOK AT AND THEN THERE IS 18 DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND FIVE MAJOR CATEGORIES.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM THERE, BUT THAT ONE'S QUITE EXTENSIVE.
BUT IT BASICALLY COVERS CONDITION, UTILIZATION OF THE EQUIPMENT, IMPACT ON OPERATIONS, RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
THE NEXT ONE IS STATE OF TENNESSEE.
PRETTY BASIC. THEY SET IT AT SIX YEARS, 100,000 MILES.
IT ONLY USES FOUR CRITERIA SO THAT WOULD BE THE AGE AND THE MILEAGE, OF COURSE, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THE VEHICLE USE.
THEN WE LOOKED AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THE STATE OF FLORIDA SETS IT AT EIGHT YEARS, 80,000 MILES, AND THEY DO CONSIDER THAT A DROP DEAD SO THAT MEANS ONCE IT HITS EIGHT OR 80,000, THAT'S IT.
BUT IT INCLUDES EIGHT CRITERIA IN TOTAL SO AGE IN YEARS, THE ODOMETER AND THE USED CONDITION FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS, DAYS DOWN, HOW MUCH DOWNTIME FOR REPAIRS, LIFETIME MAINTENANCE COSTS.
THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT THEY LOOK AT.
WE LOOKED AT OUR FLEET COMPARED TO THE THREE DIFFERENT STUDIES.
THE ONE DONE BY UMASS SHOWED OUR FLEET WOULD HAVE TWO FOR IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT WITH 11 MORE POSSIBLY IN A YEAR, THE TENNESSEE STUDY SHOWED WE WOULD HAVE 13 FOR IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT WITH A POSSIBILITY OF SEVEN MORE WITHIN A YEAR AND THEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA SHOWED WE WOULD HAVE THREE FOR REPLACEMENT WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF SIX MORE IN A YEAR.
ULTIMATELY, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA PROGRAM.
IT'S USED BY OUR STATE TO MANAGE THEIR FLEET SO THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE LOCAL BEST PRACTICES.
IT'S THE SAME AREA OF THE COUNTRY, OF COURSE, SO THAT MEANS THE SAME OPERATIONAL ENVIRONMENT, THE HIGH HEAT AND HUMIDITY, SALT AIR, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE VEHICLES ARE PURCHASED ON THE SAME CONTRACTS, SO OUR STATE CONTRACTS, SO THE PRICING IS THE SAME.
I SPOKE WITH OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE, AND THEY CAN PROVIDE ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED FOR THAT STUDY. NO PROBLEM.
THE PROGRAM IS EASY TO MANAGE, BUT IT STILL HAS MULTIPLE CRITERIA, HAS EIGHT DIFFERENT CRITERIA TO LOOK AT.
ULTIMATELY, WE SELECTED THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S PROGRAM.
>> OF COURSE. COMMISSIONERS. GO AHEAD.
>> HOW LONG IS THE TYPICAL PURSUIT?
>> WE DON'T ENGAGE IN VERY MANY PURSUITS.
WHEN WE SAY PURSUIT RATED, IT'S NOT JUST A VEHICLE PURSUIT, WE'RE PURSUING A VEHICLE, IT'S ALSO EMERGENCY RESPONSE SO ANYTIME WE'RE RESPONDING TO A HIGH PRIORITY EMERGENCY CALL, THOSE VEHICLES ARE CALLED PURSUIT-RATED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO BE DRIVEN IN A MANNER THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT WE WOULD DRIVE TO AN EMERGENCY.
>> HOW FAST CAN YOU ACTUALLY HURRY IN THIS LITTLE TOWN?
[LAUGHTER] BUT THEY DO HAVE EQUIPMENT SUCH AS UPGRADED BRAKES AND SUSPENSION SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
>> I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THAT THE TOWN OF BERNARDSTON, IN MASSACHUSETTS AND TENNESSEE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THOSE STUDIES.
WELL, I KNOW TENNESSEE IS DEFINITELY MOUNTAINOUS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE UMASS, I'M SURE IT'S NOT CREDIBLY FLAT.
>> BUT IF I DIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE STATE OF FLORIDA, COJ OR JSOS PURSUITS AND THEIR WEAR AND TEAR ON THEIR CARS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN ATLANTIC BEACH AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER KELLER WAS TRYING TO MAKE WITH HER QUESTIONS.
REGARDING MERCURY ASSOCIATES INC, WHAT DO THEY DO SPECIFICALLY?
>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY DO? THEY'RE THE THIRD PARTY THAT THE STATE PICKED TO DO THE STUDY.
>> I JUST KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BOAT MOTORS, AND THEY DON'T MAKE VERY GOOD BOAT MOTORS.
WHO'S RUNNING THE SLIDES? ARE YOU RUNNING THEM?
>> YOU'RE RUNNING THEM, RIGHT THERE. CAN WE GO BACK TO
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THE SLIDE FOR THE SELECTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.THAT'S EIGHT YEARS, 80,000 MILES.
>> YES. IT'S MISSING THE LAST TWO OFF OF THERE.
>> THAT'S FINE. THIS GETS ME WHERE I NEED TO GO. JUST CURIOUS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT COJ USES, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
>> FOR THEIR FLEET. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. JSO.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FOLLOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. I'M NOT SURE.
>> I'D BE INTERESTED. NOT NOW. OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT CHIEF, IF WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT JSO IS DOING.
THEN JUST CURIOUS, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT NEPTUNE OR JACK'S BEACH IS DOING?
>> THEY DID NOT FIND THOSE IN THE STUDY.
>> THEY MAY NOT BE LOOKING AT THE STUDY.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE STUDIES, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND ACTUAL PROGRAMS LIKE THIS AND THESE WERE THE THREE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND.
>> WELL, I JUST THANK YOU FOR THE DATA.
I'M VERY INTERESTED BECAUSE THE EIGHT YEARS, 80,000 MILES BE INTERESTING TO SEE.
WELL, I MENTIONED JSO SO THAT'S NOT COMPARABLE AND THEY GO FASTER OVER THERE.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT'S WHICHEVER ONE OCCURS FIRST, EIGHT YEARS OR 80,000 MILES?
>> WELL, FOR STATE OF FLORIDA, AND IF WE ADOPT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE ADOPTING SO IF YOU HIT 80,000 MILES IN SIX YEARS, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD FURLOUGH THAT VEHICLE.
>> WHAT IS THE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE VEHICLES AT EIGHT YEARS? DO YOU HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] FOR THAT?
>> I CAN'T SAY AT EIGHT YEARS, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE REPLACING THEM CLOSER TO 100,000-ISH.
>> I HATE TO MISSPEAK, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT EIGHT YEAR MARK IS PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE.
WE HAVE TWO 2015 THAT ARE STILL IN THE FLEET.
I HAVE ANOTHER 2017 THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND THEN I HAVE TWO 2018.
NO. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED.
BUT THOSE ARE THE OLDEST VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE.
>> I'LL CALL ON YOU IN A SECOND.
PART OF THE ISSUE IS POLICE VEHICLES GET A LOT OF USE NOT MOVING, MEANING [OVERLAPPING] IT'S RUN TIME, IT'S NOT MILES.
>> HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND CAN IT GIVE YOU A POSSIBLE ANSWER? IS IT BASED ON THE MAINTENANCE CHART?
LIKE ENGINE HOURS, BASING IT OFF OF ENGINE HOURS, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A COMMON CALCULATION OF ENGINE HOURS TO MILES.
WE DUG IN AND TRIED TO FIND ONE THAT WAS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT WE CAN'T FIND ONE THAT EQUATES AN ENGINE HOURS TO MILEAGE.
IT IS TRUE THE PATROL CARS A LOT OF THEIR TIME IS IDLING AND SO THE ENGINE HOURS ARE PROBABLY THE EQUIVALENT OF WAY MORE MILEAGE THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY SEE ON THE ODOMETER.
THERE'S A FEW NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN USE, MULTIPLIERS THAT YOU CAN USE SO THAT IS AN ISSUE.
I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY THESE OLDER VEHICLES, IF YOU USED SOME OF THOSE MULTIPLIERS, IT'D PROBABLY BE WAY MORE THAN 80,000 MILES EQUIVALENCY SO THAT IS A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLES.
THE STATE SYSTEM TAKES INTO ACCOUNT MAINTENANCE COSTS AND EXCESSIVE COST PER MILE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT DOES NOT TAKE ENGINE HOURS.
NONE OF THEM TOOK INTO ACCOUNT ENGINE HOURS.
>> HI. HOW MANY PURSUIT VEHICLES DO WE HAVE, PERCENTAGE WISE?
>> IT'S THE MOST PERCENTAGE, IT'S 80%.
>> EVERY OFFICER HAS THEIR OWN VEHICLE?
>> THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING LOTS OF [INAUDIBLE]?
>> NO, THE ONES THAT YOU SEE ARE EITHER NOT ASSIGNED TO AN OFFICER BECAUSE IT'S FOR A POSITION THAT'S OPEN, THAT'S GOING TO BE FILLED.
WE TRY TO MAINTAIN TWO POOL CARS BECAUSE YOU CAN IMAGINE IF A CAR GOES DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, THE OFFICER HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DRIVE SO WE TRY TO MAINTAIN SOME POOL CARS.
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW JUST WHAT WOULD THAT COST US IF WE DO FOLLOW THE EIGHT-YEAR OR 80-MILE DROP DEAD, WHAT WOULD THAT COST US, COULD WE EVEN AFFORD IT?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY VEHICLES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE VEHICLES ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN, SO THEN THEIR AVERAGE IS 70-75,000 BY THE TIME THEY ARE COMPLETELY OUTFITTED WITH ALL THE EQUIPMENT.
>> THE VEHICLE COST IS SET BY THE STATE CONTRACT.
THE BASE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE IS NOT THE [OVERLAPPING] LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE IS ABOUT 70,000.
>> WE WILL JUST BE LOOKING AT THAT THIS YEAR, AND THEN IF WE FOLLOW THAT CRITERIA EACH YEAR, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US AS FAR AS BUDGET GOES?
>> I THINK WE AVERAGE 3-4 VEHICLES A YEAR.
>> [INAUDIBLE] BUT 75,000 SEEM A LOT.
IS THERE ANY OPTIONS FOR A SMALL TOWN OUTFIT, IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED ALL THE DOZEN WHISTLES THAT THE STATE POLICE PROBABLY HAD A MUCH DIFFERENT PART IN WHAT WE GOT.
IS THERE ANY DOWNGRADING OF THAT BECAUSE OF JUST THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK?
>> THE VEHICLE IS THE VEHICLE.
THE BASE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE IS SET BY THE STATE CONTRACT.
THE EQUIPMENT, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT COMPANIES, WHAT'S AVAILABLE, AND WHAT'S THE BEST PACKAGE PRICE-WISE, AND WE'LL GET US WHAT WE NEED.
WE NEED THE PROPER LIGHTING AND THE PROPER SIREN, AND EVERYTHING.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A RADIO FOR COMMUNICATION.
>> WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS AND THINGS EVERY YEAR AT EQUIPMENT-WISE.
THE CAR IS THE CAR, BUT THE EQUIPMENT-WISE, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AND SEEING IF IT WOULDN'T GET BETTER.
THE PRICE HAS BEEN GOING UP YEAR OVER YEAR, AND IT'S VERY HARD.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO REALLY CONTROL [OVERLAPPING] HOW MUCH THINGS COST.
>> WHAT DRIVES THE COST THAT FAR? IS IT THE ENGINE AND THE BRAKE SUSPENSION, AND KNOW THOSE TYPES OF THINGS?
>> WHAT MAKES IT A PURSUIT RATED?
>> WHAT DRIVES UP THE PRICE OF THE CAR? WHAT'S THE BIG TICKET ITEM ON THE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY FORD CHARGES WHAT THEY CHARGE.
[LAUGHTER] THESE VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASE ARE PURSUIT-RATED POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLES THAT HAVE THE PROPER BRAKES AND PROPER SUSPENSION, AND PROPER TIRES, AND EVERYTHING.
LARGER ALTERNATOR BECAUSE OF ALL THE ELECTRONICS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S WHAT COMES IN A POLICE PACKAGE.
>> LIEUTENANT, HOW MANY OF OUR VEHICLES ARE WRAPPED WITH THE ATLANTIC BEACH RAP? IS IT EVERYTHING WE BUY NOW? IS IT JUST A FEW OF THEM?
>> THERE'S STRIPES WITH A BASIC STRIPE PACKAGE.
WE DO HAVE ONE VEHICLE THAT WAS WRAPPED WITH A RAP, AND THAT IS FOR RECRUITMENT.
>> INTERESTING. THANKS FOR SHARING.
IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE DEPARTMENT TO DO MORE OF THEM WITH THE RAP? THAT WAS JUST A ONE-OFF.
I GUESS I MIGHT AS WELL BE TRANSPARENT WHERE I'M GOING IS, ARE WE LOOKING AT WAYS? LET'S SAY WE WANTED THREE VEHICLES THIS YEAR, AND THE COMMISSION THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE ONE VEHICLE.
IS THERE A WAY TO CLOSE THE GAP BY ELIMINATING SOME OF THE THINGS? COMMISSIONER GRANT ACTUALLY STARTED THAT? DOES EVERY VEHICLE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME BELLS AND WHISTLES, AND GO THE SAME SPEED, AND HAVE THE SAME SUSPENSION, AND SO ON, FOR A TINY TOWN THAT'S THREE MILES BY THREE MILES?
>> FOR PATROL, IT NEEDS TO BE A PURSUIT-RATED VEHICLE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE OFFICER THAT OPERATES IT.
IT'S CAPABLE OF OPERATING; THAT WAY, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED.
AS FAR AS THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALWAYS SHOPPING, LOOKING FOR THE BEST PRICE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO, AND OUTFIT IT WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE OFFICER NEEDS.
>> THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO US AND TAKING THE HEAT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE HEAT, THANK YOU. GOOD STUFF.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL SEE A MEMO TO THE COMMISSION FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON SECTIONS 2489 AND 24160.
2489 IS THE ONSITE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS.
I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS TO BASICALLY ELIMINATE THE 400 SQUARE FOOT
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THE MINIMIS AND SAY THAT ANYTHING UP TO THE 45% BLOCK COVERAGE THAT WE ALLOW DOESN'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN ON-SITE STORAGE.AS YOU HEARD THE CITIZENS SAY, THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SHARED PARKING IS TO ALLOW SHARED PARKING ON-SITE AS WELL AS OFF-SITE.
CLEARLY, THE COMMISSION CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT TO GO INTO A LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS TONIGHT, THEY GAVE US A MEMO, AND THIS WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
I GUESS WITH THE COMMISSION'S PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO EITHER SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE OR HAVE A DEDICATED DISCUSSION OF THIS, ONE OF THE FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS, TO SEE WHERE IT IS THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THIS.
>> ARE WE LOOKING TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT?
THERE'S NO BILL BEFORE YOU TODAY.
JUST WILL BE GUIDANCE ON WHAT IT IS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO.
>> CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION NOW?
>> DO WE WANT TO BREAK IT INTO THE TWO, DISCUSS THE FIRST ONE, THE ELIMINATE ON-SITE STORMWATER REQUIREMENT? I BELIEVE IT WAS THIS TIME LAST YEAR THAT WE WERE OPENING UP CHAPTER 24, WHICH WE DISCUSSED THAT PARTICULAR TRIGGER SEEMED ERRONEOUS TO ME BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE 45, 55 LOT COVERAGE.
EVEN IF YOU WERE AT 20% ON YOUR LOT, AND YOU DID A REBUILD OR IF YOU PUT IN A SMALL CLOSET THAT WAS 400 SQUARE FEET, THAT SET IT OFF TO NOW REQUIRE THE ON-SITE STORMWATER RETENTION, WHICH IF YOU'VE EVER GONE DOWN ROYAL PALM, I BELIEVE, OR IT MAY BE SAILFISH, THERE'S WHAT LOOKS TO BE A HUGE DITCH IN SOMEONE'S YARD.
I PERSONALLY WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO REMOVE IT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF CHANGING THE 45-55, THEN THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE THING.
BUT THIS TRIGGER DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YES.
>> I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS TOO SINCE THIS WAS FIRST CAME OUT, AND I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THE LANGUAGE THEY PROPOSED AS WRITTEN.
>> WELL, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THE PROPOSALS TO ELIMINATE THE STORAGE OF LESS THAN 400 SQUARE FEET IS BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER APPROVE ANYTHING THAT APPROACHED OR THAT SURPASSED 445%, CORRECT?
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ON-SITE STORAGE?
>> THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATE ON-SITE STORAGE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY OWN.
>> HOLD ON, YOU COULD SAY THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE, NOT FOR ALL IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE 45, 55.
>> FIFTY-FIVE IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIOUS.
>> IF THE QUESTION IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT REMOVING OR UP GOING FROM 45 AND THEN BRINGING IT DOWN TO 35, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS TRIGGER DOES.
YOU COULD STILL BE 20% LOT COVERAGE OF PLENTY AND STILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT ON-SITE STORMWATER RETENTION ON YOUR LOT.
>> BUT THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT STANDS, YOU COULD GO TO 45% AND NOT HAVE ON-SITE STORAGE.
>> BUT THERE ARE HOUSES, ESPECIALLY IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH WHERE THE WATER RETENTION IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND IT IS POURING DOWN ONTO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
>> WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH EVERY ITERATION TODAY, BUT WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT LET ME GIVE YOU SOME STATS.
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OUT OF 400 AND I THINK 40 COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE THAT HAVE SOME VARIATION OF ON-SITE STORAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
WE'RE ONE. IN DUVAL COUNTY, THERE ARE FIVE CITIES.
WE'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES THIS.
ASSUMING A RATIONAL THOUGHT PROCESS IS THEY HAVE THE SAME SUGAR SAND IN NEPTUNE BEACH AS THEY HAVE IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH, AS THEY HAVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND PROBABLY SOME OF JACKSONVILLE.
WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE LEADING WITH THAT ONEROUS CODE? AT THE SAME TIME, LET ME PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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ORIGINALLY, AND MAYBE YOU REMEMBER, WHAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL DECADES AGO? WHAT WAS OUR LOT COVERAGE IN ATLANTIC BEACH? WAS IT 35?>> THE EARLIEST LOT COVERAGE THAT I'M AWARE OF IS 35%.
>> I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY RATIONAL TO THINK ABOUT AND UNDERSTAND THAT MANY YEARS AGO, NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE A LOWER LOT COVERAGE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE 100% BUILDOUT IN THE CITY.
NOW WE'RE APPROACHING 100% BUILDOUT.
TIMES ARE DIFFERENT BUT THEN FINALLY, AND I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THIS, IT'S A TALE OF TWO CITIES IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
YOU'VE GOT THE OLD CORE CITY THAT HAS 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS, NEVER HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER DRAINS IN MUCH OF THIS PORTION OF THE CITY AND IS BEING BUILT OUT TO THE MAXIMUM OF 45% NOW.
THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY THAN SELVA MARINA DRIVE.
WITH THE OVERSIZED LOTS AND SOME OF THEM WITH WELL UNDER 45, SOME OF THEM WELL UNDER 35% LOT COVERAGE.
I'M TELLING YOU THESE THINGS BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION ON THIS.
I THINK WE'VE SPENT THE BEST PART OF MY 2.5 YEARS IS MAYOR TALKING ABOUT IT AND NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT DONE.
WE DID SOME LEGISLATION THIS PAST YEAR, AND THAT WAS MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO ALSO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL BEFORE WE MAKE ANY RASH DECISIONS.
WE HAVE NOT PUT IT OUT TO BID YET.
>> NO. THERE WAS A GRANT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DOUBLE THE BASICALLY OUR ABILITY, EITHER HALF OUR COMMITMENT OR DOUBLE OUR ABILITY, WHICH WE'VE APPLIED FOR AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM.
I HAVE INSTRUCTED STEVE THAT IF WE DON'T HEAR BACK FROM HIM IN SHORT ORDER, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RELEASING AN RFP FOR THE STORMWATER ADVANCE.
>> WHEN YOU SAY DOUBLE OUR ABILITY, DOUBLE OUR ABILITY TO DO WHAT EXACTLY?
I THINK IT WAS UP TO $200,000.
WITH OUR $200,000, WE COULD GET A $400,000 STUDY OR FOR $100,000, WE COULD GET THE SAME $200,000 STUDY.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON A STUDY.
WE'VE GOT AND MAYBE THE WORKSHOP IS THE ANSWER.
WE HAVE ENOUGH MINDS IN THIS CITY TO HELP US WITH THIS.
YOU GOT MR. POWELL DOWN THE STREET.
THERE'S ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES, I BELIEVE IN OCEAN WALK, WHO'S A LEADING HYDRAULIC ENGINEER.
THEY'LL WANT TO SPEND 400, I GUESS WE CAN, BUT I JUST FEEL IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, THE FOUR OR FIVE CITIES IN FLORIDA THAT HAVE SOME STORM WATER, OUR CALCULATIONS ARE EXPONENTIALLY MORE SEVERE IN WATER RETENTION THAN THOSE OTHER FOUR.
WE ARE ON AN ISLAND ALL BY OURSELF IN THE WAY WE'VE THOUGHT UP AND CREATED THESE STORM WATER RETENTION ORDINANCES.
PARDON THE PUN. WE ARE ON AN ISLAND BY OURSELF.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED MAJOR REFORM HERE, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO IT.
BUT I ALSO THINK PUTTING IT TO THE HOMEOWNER TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND DIG SWALES AND DITCHES IN THEIR FRONT YARD IS JUST NOWHERE ELSE IN FLORIDA, IS THAT BEING DONE EXCEPT HERE.
WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO THAT.
IF THERE'S A STORMWATER CONCERN, THE CITY NEEDS TO SPEND MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
>> COMMISSIONER, ONE SECOND. I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID, IS ORIGINALLY, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED TO ESTABLISH THIS REQUIREMENT FOR ON-SITE RETENTION ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, THE ESTIMATE OF THE COST TO A HOMEOWNER, I BELIEVE, WAS 500 OR 5,000?
>> I THINK IT WAS 500, WHICH IS LIKE CRAZY.
YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR $500 TODAY.
BUT SOME OF THESE ON-SITE RETENTION SYSTEMS ARE 2030 $40,000.
IT'S SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO CITIZENS AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST BOTHERS ME SO MUCH ABOUT BEING MAYOR OF THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY IS THE CITIZENS THAT SAY, MY BUILDER SAID THEY WOULD NOT BUILD IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
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WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.IT IS THE TOUGHEST MUNICIPALITY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE OF EXCESSIVE RULES LIKE ONSITE STORMWATER? YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ACTIONS RIGHT NOW.
FROM HERE, AS FAR AS TAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION AND MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ACTION, I WOULD NOT BE FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
WE WORKSHOPPED IT TO DEATH LAST YEAR, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS WOULD THEN GO INTO AN ORDINANCE, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? THEN WE WOULD HAVE TWO PUBLIC READINGS.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. TO CHANGE THE CODE PROVISION, IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO A STAFF TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OUT OF NORMAL CYCLE.
THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE THING WITHOUT THE WORKSHOP.
>> BECAUSE WE WORKSHOP THIS [OVERLAPPING] QUITE A LONG TIME.
THEN WE HEARD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
THEY DISCUSSED AND THEY BROUGHT IT BEFORE US, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDED TO PULL OUT AND SET ASIDE.
NOW, CLEARLY, WE CAN'T DO THIS TODAY.
ALSO, WE'RE MISSING ONE OF THE FIVE OF US.
>> WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE WITHOUT HIM. [LAUGHTER]
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT THIS BECOME AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 24-89.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY. YOU'RE GIVING DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE AN ORDINANCE THAT MAKES THIS CHANGE THAT WE'LL BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION?
>> LET'S GET A CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU'RE MOVING.
YOU ARE MOVING TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO DO WHAT?
>> ELIMINATE ON-SITE STORM WATER REQUIREMENT IN SECTION 24-89.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION?
>> THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS MY PART OF TOWN.
THE PEOPLE IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH AND IN MY LITTLE PART OF TOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THEIR NEIGHBORS RUNOFF.
I CAN SEE US DOING SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL EXCEPTION OR ZONING, BUT JUST WILLY NILLY DO AWAY WITH IT.
WHEN WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE NUMBERED STREETS THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM RUNOFF FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS, I'M NOT READY TO JUST THROW THAT BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
>> COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE THE STORM WATER RULES IN PLACE TODAY, AND YOU'RE STILL EXPERIENCING RUNOFF, AND THE ROADS ARE STILL FLOODING UNDER FLASH FLOODS, THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS, CORRECT, WOULD YOU SAY?
>> THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THE STORM WATER RULES ARE NOT PROTECTING YOUR STREET RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY NEEDS TO DO MORE TO PROTECT THE STREETS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF HAVING YOUR NEIGHBOR OR WHEREVER THEY MAY BE, AS SOON AS THEY START TO DO SOME RECONSTRUCTION OR REMODELING, ARE NOW SUBJECT TO SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE STAYING WITHIN THEIR CURRENT FOOTPRINT, ARE WE REALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM BY LEAVING IT THERE OR NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT VERSUS THE CITY TAKING A HARD LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THOSE NUMBERED STREETS AND FIGURING OUT WHERE TO PULL THAT STORM-WATER?
>> I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF LISTENING TO THE HYDROLOGISTS WHEN THEY DO OUR VULNERABILITY STUDY.
I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO DO THAT ENGINEERING.
>> WILL THIS BE DISCUSSED IN THE VULNERABILITY WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE HAVING ON MONDAY?
>> THE STORM-WATER MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN AND THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT IS DIFFERENT.
IT MIGHT BE DISCUSSED NOW, BUT IT WASN'T PLANNED TO HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION. I'LL JUST THROW MY LAST TWO CENTS IN.
DURING THE HEARING THE MOTION, AND THE SECOND, AND THE DISCUSSION, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE, AND IF IT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE HIS DIRECTION TO PREPARE THAT ORDINANCE, AND IT WOULD BE SIMPLE, SIMPLY STRIKING THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE.
BUT IT'S ALSO OUR OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT OR TWO I THINK.
>> WE'D HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IT WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF SIX WEEKS IF WE WERE READY ON THE NEXT MEETING TO PRESENT AN ORDINANCE AND WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD, THEN IT WOULD TAKE TWO MORE MEETINGS TO AFFECT THE CHANGE, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO SAY WE THINK BETTER OF IT, OR WE WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING.
COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU ON THE ISSUE OF THE CORE CITY AND FOR EVERYBODY HERE, I'LL JUST DEFINE THAT AS AHERN NORTH TO EIGHTH BEACH TO SHERRY,
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AND I MAY BE SLIGHTLY OFF, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS. YES.>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID BRING IT NEXT TIME, AND THEN THERE'D BE TWO HEARINGS.
YOU DON'T WANT ME TO FILE IT NEXT TIME, YOU JUST WANT ME TO DRAFT THE CHANGE AND BRING IT?
>> I KNOW WE DID THIS BEFORE WHERE BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ORDINANCE THAT WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON, STAFF HAS A STAFF REPORT THAT THEY PRESENT TO US, WE DID THAT WITH THE PARKS, WE DID THAT WITH THE ELP CHANGES, THAT WAS NICE, IT GAVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS AND ACTUALLY ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE STAFF, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT, THEN WHEN IT FINALLY COMES BEFORE US AS A FIRST READING THEN A SECOND READING.
>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT, BUT LET'S NOT FORGET, YOU ALREADY POINTED OUT, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS AD NAUSEAM, AND WE KNOW THAT STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND DOING NOTHING ON THIS, SO WE EITHER TAKE CHARGE AS COMMISSION AND LEGISLATE OR WE JUST CONTINUE TO LET STAFF TELL US WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
YOU GOT A CHOICE. LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS, PLEASE.
SORRY, I MADE IT MORE FORMAL JUST TO BE CLEAR, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION?
>> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT NEXT.
BUT ANYWAYS, IF YOU'LL BRING THAT AND THEN BRING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION, AND THEN IF IT MOVES FROM THERE, WE'LL ACTUALLY BRING IT TO THE FIRST READING AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
>> THE NEXT MEETING WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST HEARING.
THE FIRST HEARING WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
NO, YOU'RE, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HEARING NEXT MEETING.
ALL YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS BRING WHAT YOU'VE DRAFTED AND BRING WHATEVER DIALOGUE NEEDS TO BE HAD FROM CITY STAFF.
>> GOOD. THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, WOULD YOU GO OVER THAT, [INAUDIBLE]?
>> BASICALLY TO ALLOW ONSITE SHARED PARKING.
CURRENTLY, THE CITY ALLOWS OUT-OF-SITE SHARED PARKING.
YOU HAVE TO RECORD THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
CDB AND YOU HAD A CITIZEN COME SPEAK ABOUT THEY WOULD LIKE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR ONSITE SHARED PARKING.
>> THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I HAD TO WATCH, I THINK TWO, AT LEAST THREE TIMES, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, TALK ABOUT THIS JUST TO UNDERSTAND.
THE IDEA BEHIND NOT ALLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT ALLOW IT ON THE SAME PARCEL WOULD BE TO LESSEN THE CONGESTION IN ONE AREA, IS THAT CORRECT, CITY MANAGER?
>> I THINK THE IMPETUS BEHIND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DESPITE THE CITIZEN, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CITY TO ENFORCE IT.
ANY LEASING AGREEMENTS ARE NOT SOMETHING BETWEEN THE CITY AND AND THE PARTICIPANTS, IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO PARTICIPANTS.
>> JUST THINKING ABOUT RAGTIME, WHERE RAGTIME PARKING LOT, THERE'S AT LEAST FIVE, IF NOT, SIX DIFFERENT BUSINESSES OPERATING AT DIFFERENT TIMES FROM BARS, TO RESTAURANTS, TO RETAIL, THAT ONE SHARED PARKING LOT, SO THEY ALREADY DO THAT, THE SINGLE PARCEL, THEY'RE UTILIZING THE SHARED PARKING ON THE SINGLE PARCEL.
>> YEAH, SO MY SUSPICION IS THAT RAGTIME, THAT TOWN CENTER AREA WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO WHEN PARKING STANDARDS WERE DIFFERENT, AND SO THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO OUR PARKING STANDARDS TODAY ONLY APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> THIS WOUL D NOT AFFECT THAT?
>> THIS CHANGE WOULDN'T AFFECT RAGTIME?
>> IT WOULD AFFECT IT IN THE INSTANCE IN WHICH THEY TORE DOWN THE BUILDING AND RECONSTRUCTED THE BUILDING, THEN THAT BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO SUPPLY PARKING BASED OFF TODAY'S STANDARDS.
>> WE HAVE A FEW BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, LIKE A BBQ SHARES OFFSITE TO COMMUNITY PRESBYTERIAN, SO THERE IS SOME THERE.
I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.
TO ME, AS A PATRON, WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE TO NOT MAKE ME WALK FURTHER FROM WHERE I'M GOING.
INITIALLY, WHEN I READ THIS AND WATCHED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD'S UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION, I NEEDED TO WATCH IT A FEW TIMES AND DISCUSS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
AFTER WATCHING IT AND UNDERSTANDING IT, I'M WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD ON THIS RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S PERFECT SENSE FOR A PATRON TO WANT TO PARK ON THAT SITE,
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AND IF IT'S AVAILABLE, THEN IT'S AVAILABLE.IF IT'S NOT, THEN THEY HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
>> I GUESS STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO EVER DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT SPACE IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.
>> WHY NOT FOR OPERATIONAL HOURS?
>> BUT THE LEASE AGREEMENTS ARE BETWEEN PRIVATE PARTIES, SO IF THE LEASE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THE OFFICE CAN USE IT FROM 8:00 IN THE MORNING UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK, AND THEN THE RESTAURANT CAN USE IT FROM 5:00 TO MIDNIGHT, AND THEN THE LEASE TERMS CHANGE, AND NOW THEIR OFFICE IS RUNNING A CALL CENTER AND THEY'RE RUNNING 24/7, AND THE RESTAURANT DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR BREAKFAST, THE CITY'S NOT IN THAT LEASING ARRANGEMENT. THAT'S A PRIVATE.
>> NEPTUNE BEACH DO THAT WITH THEIR VALET ACROSS THE STREET? I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR CITY, BUT NEPTUNE BEACH DOES IN THEIR VALET IN BETWEEN HAWKERS.
>> BUT THEY'RE VALETING TO EXISTING PARKING SPACES, TO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PART OF THE TOWN.
IN THEIR CASE TOO, THIS IS THE SAME THING AS WITH THE OLD TOWN CENTER, IT'S PRE-EXISTING CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO TODAY'S PARKING STANDARDS.
I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM STAFF IS THAT THE PARKING WON'T ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE, PARTICULARLY OVER TIME AS USES CHANGE WITHIN THE BUILDING, AND THEN YOU JUST PUSH PARKING FURTHER INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S A COMMISSION DECISION.
I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> I DON'T SEE HOW WE WOULD REALLY HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON HOW TO ENFORCE OR MONITOR ANY PARKING, WHETHER IT'S IN A MULTI-USE BUILDING OR NOT.
I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE EVEN KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE IS IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE CARS PILING UP IN PLACES THAT THEY'RE NOT NORMALLY PARKING.
I AGREE IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS RATHER TO REGULATE THE LEASES IN A PARTICULAR BUILDING TO SEE WHOSE TIME IS WHAT, THAT'S REALLY THE LANDLORD'S JOB, I THINK.
IF THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH SPACES BETWEEN ALL OF THEM, I THINK IT'S A LOGICAL THING TO AGREE WITH.
UNTIL WE START SEEING PARKING PILE UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FORCE ANYTHING TO THAT MATTER.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN PARKING LEASES.
IF YOU OWN THE LOT AND YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO PARK THERE, AND THEN YOU POST THE SIGNS AND YOU ARRANGE FOR THE TOWING, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN IT.
>> WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS THEY HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS FOR 42 EAST COAST THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS THE ISSUE, BUT I KNOW PAST THAT, I'M THINKING OF CANTINA LOUIE, AND FISH COMPANY, AND ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE HAVE LARGE PARKING LOTS WHERE THEY'RE SHARED, HOW IS THAT REGULATED, HOW DO YOU COUNT THOSE?
>> THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULD WANT ONSITE SHARED PARKING IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES ON YOUR SITE ALREADY.
>> WAIT A SECOND, THE ONLY REASON YOU'D WANT OFFSITE?
>> WELL, WE HAVE OFFSITE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE ONLY REASON EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S OFFSITE OR ONSITE, THE ONLY REASON YOU WANT IT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THE USE MIX THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SITE TO BEGIN WITH.
A SHOPPING CENTER LIKE WHERE CANTINA IS IT'S AN ITE USE CODE 820, IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT DETERMINE HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THAT ARE USED PRETTY MUCH NATIONALLY.
IT'S PUT OUT BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.
THEY HAVE FORMULAS THAT TELL YOU HOW MANY TRIPS THEY GENERATE BASED OFF THE MIXED USE AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY GENERATE OFF THE MIXED USE.
IF THE OWNER IS GETTING INTO LEASING BASED OFF HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE, THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD SAY.
>> THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WOULD BE THAT ONE AND 42 EAST COAST?
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>> I THINK THE REALITY IS HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME PROVIDING THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CODE.
>> IF WE DID GO FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THE CURRENT BUSINESSES OR ANY OF THE CURRENT BUSINESSES LIKE RAGTIME?
>> WELL, LIKE I SAID, SO MOST OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES ARE BUILT PRIOR TO THIS.
MOST OF THEM ARE TOWN CENTERS QUITE OLD, SO I AM NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH OUR ZONING CODE AND PARKING CODE, BUT TYPICALLY CODES DO GRANDFATHER IN PARKING TO TO THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME
>> IF YOU BUILT LEGALLY AND YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WERE BUILT AT THE TIME YOU BUILT, THEN YOU MAY BE NON-CONFORMING TO TODAY'S CODE, BUT YOU'RE LEGAL.
>> TO MAKE THIS WORK, WE WOULD THEN NEED TO HAVE LANDLORDS REGULATE PARKING AGREEMENTS AMONG THEIR BUSINESSES?
>> I THINK BASED OFF WHAT I HEARD THE CITIZENS SAY, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD STILL COME IN AND GET A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, AND THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME MECHANISM IN WHICH WE WOULD REGULATE IT, OR VERIFY IT, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WOULD DO THAT PAST THE FIRST CARS.
>> MAY I JUST ONE QUICK? I THINK I HEARD THAT WE CAN'T REALLY REGULATE IT, QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE NOT REGULATING OUR OFFSITE SHARED PARKING TODAY, SO OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS WHEREBY IT HAS TO BE GUARANTEED BY THE OWNER OF THE LOT, AND IT HAS TO BE RECORDED, AND SO ON, LET ME SEGUE HERE, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE CDB HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, I'M UNIQUELY INTERESTED IN THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE VOTE WAS SIX TO ONE IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS BY THE CDB, IT WAS SEVEN, ZERO.
>> I KNOW EVERY MEMBER ON YOUR BOARD, AND YOU'RE PRETTY SHARP PEOPLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO GIVE TO US ABOUT WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS AND WHY THE RECOMMENDATION?
>> SAY SOMETHING. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I AM BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PREPARED ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.
I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND I'LL LET JEFF SIT THERE AND WATCH AS OPPOSED TO [INAUDIBLE] THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS SHARED PARKING IS ALLOWED UP TO 400 FEET AWAY.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAID, WHAT ABOUT ONSITE PARKING? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU FIND OFFSITE PARKING TEN FEET AWAY FROM YOUR LOCATION, THAT'S FINE.
GET AN AGREEMENT, RECORD IT WITH THE CITY, AND YOU HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
IF IT HAPPENS TO BE ON SITE, NOT TEN FEET AWAY, THE CITY DOESN'T RECOGNIZE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, SO YOU DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA.
THE FEELING THAT I HAD, AND I THINK THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAD WAS THAT ENFORCING EITHER ONE, EITHER PARKING AGREEMENT, WHETHER IT BE SHARED ONSITE OR OFFSITE, IS NO MORE OR NO LESS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THERE ARE OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENTS TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYBODY INSPECTED THOSE OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENTS TO SEE IF THEY'RE STILL IN FORCE.
THEY PROBABLY ARE, AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING WHETHER IT'S ONSITE OR OFFSITE.
THIS HAS COME UP BECAUSE OF 42 EAST COAST, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
THIS IS JUST ONSITE-OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENT.
THEY SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS FAR AS REGISTERING WITH THE CITY AND THOSE SPOTS ALLOCATED FOR A BUSINESS ON OFF HOURS.
IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU FIND THAT THOSE SPACES AREN'T AVAILABLE AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, THAT'S A BREACH OF A CONTRACT.
>> SO IF SOMEBODY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ENFORCE A CONTRACT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS AN AGREEMENT.
THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE DISTILLED IT DOWN TO ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD I BELIEVE.
JEFF, I'LL LET YOU CONTRADICT ME.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HANSEN, CITY ATTORNEY.
>> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO, MAYBE IF I CAN JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. HANSEN SAID.
I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE NOTION OF NOT WANTING TO GET INVOLVED WITH PRIVATE PARTY CONTRACTS, LEASES.
CERTAINLY THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
BUT RIGHT NOW TO MR. HANSEN'S POINT, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN OFFSITE AGREEMENT THAT'S TYPICALLY PRESENTED AT
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THE TIME THAT SOMEONE IS COMING TO SEEK THEIR PERMIT FOR PARKING OR THE APPROVAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.THEN YOU'RE RIGHT AFTER THAT, OFF TO THE RACES, AND WE DON'T REALLY LOOK INTO OR TAKE AN INVENTORY OR CHECK ON THAT LEASE OR THE STATUS OF IT.
THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE MR. GRANT'S POINT, AT SOME POINT, IF IT EVER DID BECOME AN ISSUE, IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE ZONING CODE BECAUSE IF LET'S SAY PARKING AGREEMENT IS ESTABLISHED, IT'S PROVIDED, THEY GET AN APPROVAL, AND SO AN OFFICE AND A BAR OR SHARING THIS PARKING ONSITE FOR FIVE, 10 YEARS, WHATEVER, AND IN 10 YEARS IS AN ISSUE, IF THAT AGREEMENT IS NOT IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME WHEN THE ISSUE COMES TO A HEAD, THEN THAT'S A ZONING CODE VIOLATION.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BREACH OF CONTRACT WITHIN THE PARTIES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT.
BUT IF THERE IS NO ESTABLISHED AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD THE PERMIT PREDICATED ON 10 YEARS EARLIER, THEN THAT'S A ZONING CODE VIOLATION AND WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO CITE THEM FOR HAVING A LACK OF PARKING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THIS PARKING AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF THEIR PARKING TO BEGIN WITH IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE?
>> WELL, I APOLOGIZE. I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
WE STARTED WITH AN AGREEMENT AND THEN HOW DID 10 YEARS LATER, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT?
>> I'M JUST SAYING THERE BY STARTING WITH THE AGREEMENT, THEY ARE THE PARTIES THAT COME TO THE TABLE WITH THE AGREEMENT AND GET THAT APPROVAL FOR PARKING OR THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT MATTER.
THEY WILL ALWAYS BE UNDER THE OBLIGATION TO HAVE AN ESTABLISHED VALID CURRENT PARKING AGREEMENT.
IF THEY EVER FAIL TO AND WE DON'T CATCH IT, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE WHENEVER IT BECOMES AN ISSUE AT A LATER DATE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A VALID AGREEMENT, THAT'S A ZONING CODE VIOLATION.
THEY'RE OPERATING AT THEIR OWN RISK BY NOT KEEPING IT.
>> THE WAY THAT THAT MIGHT OCCUR IS IT SIMPLY LAPSES AND NOBODY RENEWS IT OR A NEW TENANT COMES IN AND DOESN'T SIGN A NEW AGREEMENT.
>> IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF THAT.
BUT THE NOTION THOUGH IS, WHEN YOU PUT THE REQUIREMENT AT THE VERY OUTSET LIKE WE DO ON THE OFFSITE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH [INAUDIBLE] FEET, IS WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE FORM APPROVED BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND IT HAS TO BE RECORDED.
THE RECORDATION IN OF ITSELF, IT MAKES IT A TITLE ISSUE AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE SECURED OVER TIME.
ANY NEW OWNER OR TENANT SHOULD BE AWARE OF IT, HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
>> I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT IT'S ONLY A PARTIAL ANSWER.
THAT IS, YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE MAJOR TENANT IS OFFICE USE DURING THE DAY PROBABLY CLEARS OUT AT 5:00 OR 6:00 IN THE EVENING.
THEN A RESTAURANT OR BAR IS OPERATING IN THE HOURS ENSUING.
EVEN THOUGH WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GET INTO CONTRACTS AND LEASES THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEIR OWN TENANTS, CAN WE ACTUALLY APPROVE BASED ON THE STATEMENT THAT THE RESTAURANT OR BAR IS OPERATING IN THE EVENING HOURS, AND THE MAIN TENANT THAT'S USING THE PARKING DURING THE DAY IS OFFICE? CAN WE DO THAT? I KNOW THE ANSWER WOULD TYPICALLY BE WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT IF WE DID DO THAT AND IT WAS WRITTEN, AND THEN LATER, IT'S A PROBLEM ON THE PARKING, AND IT'S DISCOVERED THAT THE RESTAURANTS OPENING AT 7:00 A.M. FOR BREAKFAST, AND THE OFFICE GROUP IS NOW WORKING NIGHTS RUNNING A CALL CENTER, AS CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, COULD WE THEN, AT THAT TIME, SAY, YOU'RE BASICALLY IN BREACH OF WHAT YOU AGREED TO WHEN WE GRANTED THE ONSITE SHARED PARKING?
>> IF I'M UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, CORRECTLY, SO, PLEASE DO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING SHORT OF A LEASE OR A PARKING AGREEMENT, BUT SOME CERTIFICATION BY THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THIS USE WILL BE AT THESE HOURS, THIS USE WILL BE THOSE HOURS.
I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD FOR A MOMENT, BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY THEN TO RATHER THAN REQUIRING THIS PARKING AGREEMENT, LEASE, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IS TO HAVE A FORM, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD NOW, THAT CERTIFIES BY THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S COMING IN FOR THAT PARKING APPROVAL.
AGAIN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OFFICE 8:00 -5:00 AND FROM 5:00 TO 12:00, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BAR ON THAT PROPERTY, I SUPPOSE WE CAN COME UP WITH AN AFFIDAVIT OR A CERTIFICATION THAT THEY SIGN AND EXECUTE, THAT'S IN A FORM APPROVED BY CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, THAT SAYS JUST THAT, AND THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT'S EVER VIOLATED, THAT BECOMES A ZONING VIOLATION FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
AGAIN, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO WHETHER WE WANT TO RECORD THAT AFFIDAVIT OR NOT, BUT YEAH, THERE PROBABLY ARE WAYS TO DO SOMETHING SHORT OF AN AGREEMENT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME CERTIFICATION OR AFFIDAVIT FROM THE OWNER.
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>> I RECOGNIZE THERE'S RISK IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS ONCE THE TENANTS ARE ALL IN PLACE, TRYING TO UNWIND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO GET INVOLVED IN, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY BECAUSE THIS IS A, AT LEAST IT'S A RATIONAL THOUGHT PROCESS THAT IF YOU HAVE EMPTY SPACES AT NIGHT IN A PARKING LOT, WHY WOULDN'T YOU SHARE THOSE SPACES ANYWAYS?
>> THE IRONY OF THE CURRENT CODE TO YOUR POINT MAYOR, IS THAT THE LANDLORD WITH SPACES IN THIS BUILDING THAT'S DEDICATED FOR THE MOST PART TO 9:00-5:00 AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT COMES IN WHO'S GOT A NIGHT TIME ESTABLISHMENT, HE CAN'T PARK THERE, BUT HE CAN PARK 400 FEET AWAY AT SOME OTHER SHARED PARKING, BUT HE CAN'T USE THE PARKING THAT'S RIGHT UNDER HIS OWN BILL UNDER HIS ON ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT THE LANDLORD COULD POTENTIALLY, CHARGE FOR PARKING IN THERE IN THE NIGHT TIME ESTABLISHMENT THAN TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> I THINK THE LANDLORD, IF THERE'S OPEN PARKING, IS NOT GOING TO DENY PARKING THERE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE 400 FEET AWAY.
BUT HE WOULDN'T GET A PERMIT UNLESS HE DID SECURE THAT OFF SITE.
>> I GUESS THIS NIGHTTIME ESTABLISHMENT COULD PARK THERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE HE GOT HIS PARKING FROM.
HE COULDN'T GET CREDIT FOR IT.
HE HAD TO GET CREDIT FOR PARKING 400 FEET AWAY, WHICH IT JUST ALL JUST SEEMS LUDICROUS TO ME.
>> WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION ON THIS, BUT I CERTAINLY WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE IS ONE FORTHCOMING.
>> I MOVE THAT WE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT IN PERMIT SHARED PARKING ON SINGLE PARCELS.
>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND NOW. FURTHER DISCUSSION.
>> WOULD THIS GO AGAIN AS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE [OVERLAPPING]
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL JUST DO A SINGLE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
SEE WOULD YOU PUT TOGETHER SAME REGIMEN TO BRING IT FORTH AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING AT THAT POINT AND THEN MOVE IT TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING ON THE FIRST READ. THANK YOU.
>> FOR ITEM 3D, I'M GOING TO INVITE MR. HOGAN CAMP UP TO TALK ABOUT TREE CITY, USA.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M KEVIN HOGANCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
ADDRESSING THE MATTER OF PROMOTING THE CITY'S TREE CITY USA PARTICIPATION IN OUR CALL BEFORE YOU CUT CAMPAIGN.
THE CITY HAS A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, PARTICULARLY TREE PROTECTION, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE BEING RECOGNIZED AS A TREE CITY USA, COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY AFTER ESTABLISHING AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE AND THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BEACHES GO GREEN.
THE CITY ACTIVELY CELEBRATES, AS YOU KNOW, AND PROMOTES ARBOR DAY AND EARTH DAY, AND PROMOTES TREE GIVEAWAYS, OUR HERITAGE TREE PROGRAM, OUR REGULAR EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN THIS ROOM, AND OUR VERIFIED TREE SERVICE PROVIDER REGISTRATION.
WE'RE REINSTALLING A TREE CITY USA SIGN AT LEAST ONE PROMINENT CITY ENTRANCE.
WE ALSO ACTIVELY PROMOTE CALL BEFORE CUT, WHICH IS A CAMPAIGN CENTERED AROUND A TERRIFIC GRAPHIC DESIGNED BY AN ESC MEMBER, AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD A CALL BEFORE CUT ELEMENT TO THE TREE CITY USA SIGN.
ALL THE WHILE, OUR PROFESSIONALS AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEPARTMENT COUNTER AT CITY HALL ROUTINELY CLEARLY COMMUNICATE OUR TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCES AND THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE REMOVAL.
THAT'S A NUTSHELL OF WHAT WE'VE SYSTEMATICALLY DONE IN RECENT YEARS.
HERE'S ADDITIONAL MEASURES THAT WE ARE UNDERTAKING.
WE'RE INCLUDING CALL BEFORE YOU CUT INFORMATION DIRECTLY ON TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS, UTILITY SERVICE APPLICATIONS, AND RELATED CITY FORMS. WE'RE GOING TO BETTER USE SOCIAL MEDIA, INCLUDING REELS AND VIDEOS TO SHARE SHORT IMPACTFUL MESSAGES.
WE ARE GOING TO ASK REAL ESTATE AGENTS, HOAS, ARBORISTS LANDSCAPERS, AND TREE SERVICE COMPANIES TO HELP US SPREAD THE GOOD WORD, CALL BEFORE YOU CUT.
ESC WILL BE LEVERAGED TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT CALL BEFORE YOU CUT.
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WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE CALL BEFORE YOU CUT WITH CALL 811 BEFORE YOU DIG IN OUR FUTURE PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL.>> I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I HOPE THAT DOES ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
>> I WONDER IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE THOSE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE OUT AND ABOUT, PARTICULARLY ON THE WEEKENDS, THAT IF THEY SEE A TREE CUTTER BUZZING AWAY, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME MECHANISM FOR THEM TO REPORT OR STOP AND NOT FRISK, BUT STOP AND SEE THAT THEIR PERMIT.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE BULK OF THE ILLEGAL CUTTING IS HAPPENING ON THE WEEKENDS.
>> THAT WOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER'S LEVEL TO DIRECT THE PUBLIC.
>> MAYBE I'M JUST OFF FACE BARE, BUT I ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF MY HOUSE THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE I HEARD CUTTING AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
>> YEAH, I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THAT.
COME MONDAY REPORT AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHETHER THEY PULLED A PERMIT, WHETHER THEY WERE REQUIRED TO, WHETHER INDEED THEY WERE JUST TRIMMING.
THEY'RE OUT THERE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
>> THAT'S TRUE. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE GOT BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE AT OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHEN WE HAD THE ESC ORDINANCE.
WHEN PEOPLE NEW HOMEOWNERS ARE MOVING IN, WHAT ABOUT A DOOR KNOCKER THAT GOES ON THAT DOOR, AND IT SAYS THAT CALL BEFORE YOU CUT BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS PREVENTATIVE WORK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO, CITY STAFF AND COMMISSION THAT WE NEED TO DO AS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN.
WE DO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE NEW UTILITY CUSTOMERS.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GETTING THAT MESSAGE, BUT WE'RE STEPPING IT UP.
BOTH WITH WHAT WE PHYSICALLY GIVE THEM, AND THEY'RE ALL ENROLLED AUTOMATICALLY IN OUR E NEWSLETTER AND WHICH PERIODICALLY HAS PROMOTED CALL BEFORE YOU CUT.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN EVERY SINGLE ONE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ITEM 3E IS A CITY COMMISSION SALARY REVIEW.
THERE WAS A REQUEST TO LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AND THE SALARIES OF CITY COMMISSIONERS.
ON THIS CHART, YOU CAN SEE NEPTUNE BEACH.
COMMISSIONER SALARY IS $4,800, AND THE MAYOR'S SALARY IS $7,800.
AT JACK BEACH, IT'S A POPULATION OF 23,447.
COMMISSIONER SALARY IS $12,960 AND THE MAYOR'S SALARY IS $17,760. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH.
I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART HERE IS THAT WE CAPTURED NEPTUNE BEACH, JACKSONVILLE BEACH, FERNANDINA BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE.
ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ST. AUGUSTINE ARE ALL ON THE ISLAND.
THEY ARE ALL SIMILAR BEACH COMMUNITIES.
ST. AUGUSTINE ARGUABLY IS THE RIGHT SIZE AND SCALE AND IS ON THE INTERCLOSE, AND THERE I WILL SAY BEACHY.
WE LOOKED AT THE TOTAL POPULATION AND TOTAL COMMISSIONER SALARY, TOTAL MAYOR SALARY.
I DIVIDED THE TOTAL COMMISSIONER SALARY OF $53,760 INTO THE POPULATION THAT GAVE A COST PER POPULATION.
THEN I MULTIPLIED THAT NUMBER BY THE POPULATION IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
YOU'LL SEE THAT UNDER ATLANTIC BEACH PROPOSED, AND THAT GIVES A NUMBER OF $11,243.
I DID THE SAME EXERCISE FOR MAYOR.
BASICALLY GOT DOLLAR PER POPULATION, MULTIPLIED THAT BY THE POPULATION FOR ATLANTIC BEACH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS $13,962.
THE CODE CURRENTLY GIVES WHATEVER THE CPI GETS OR 3%, WHATEVER THE LESSER AMOUNT ANNUALLY.
THERE IS AN ESCALATOR IN THERE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT.BUT IF THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED, THIS I THINK IS A DEFENSIBLE APPROACH.
IT GIVES YOU WHAT THE AVERAGE SALARY IS PER CAPITA IN VERY SIMILAR COMMUNITIES.
I DID NOT LOOK AT SOUTH FLORIDA COMMUNITY, SOUTHWEST FLORIDA COMMUNITIES, BUT I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BEACH COMMUNITIES AND WOULD BE SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE TO US.
>> DID YOU SAY IF WE WENT WITH WHAT YOU PUT TOGETHER, WE'D BE USING CPIU?
>> I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE CODE IS CPIU, YES.
>> THE STATE OF FLORIDA ESTABLISHES FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONS, THEY ESTABLISH A FORMULA. WHAT IS THAT USING?
THEY HAVE A FACTOR THAT AS A FUNCTION OF POPULATION RANGES.
YOU GET YOU GET A SET AMOUNT FOR HITTING A POPULATION RANGE AND THEN YOU GET A FACTOR BASED ON HOW MUCH OVER THE BOTTOM OF THAT RANGE YOU ARE.
>> FOR SIMPLICITY, CPIU AND CALL IT A DAY.
I THINK THIS IS A METHODOLOGY YOU COULD UTILIZE EVERY FIVE YEARS AND JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE SURROUNDING BEACH COMMUNITIES ARE DOING AND FIND THE SWEET SPOT, TAKE THE AVERAGE AND GO.
>> I AGREE. THE THING HERE IS TO MAKE IT AS DEFENSIBLE AS POSSIBLE THAT NO ONE THINKS THAT WE'RE JUST PULLING NUMBERS FROM WHEREVER. I LIKE THE LOGIC.
>> WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR TIME TO IMPLEMENT?
>> WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THIS, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE CODE.
THE ORDINANCE CODE ACTUALLY HAS YOUR BASE SALARY IN IT.
WE WOULD ESTABLISH A NEW BASE SALARY.
WE COULD UTILIZE THE SAME CPI LANGUAGE.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO ESTABLISH A REVISIT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
MAYBE MAYBE YOU WANT THE METHODOLOGY IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU GUYS.
BUT YOU COULD CODIFY THAT AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE IT AUTOMATIC ON A ROLLING BASIS.
IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE AT LEAST ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS COMMISSION ACTION TO UPDATE BASED ON WHATEVER DATA IS PRESENTED, BUT IT WOULD ESTABLISH A REGULAR PROCESS.
>> COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING THAT BACK IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE?
>> WITH SPECIFIC DATE TO IMPLEMENT THE INFLATION INDEX, IN THIS CASE, WE JUST DISCUSSED CPIU. COMMISSIONER, QUESTION.
>> IT JUST FEELS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION, HONESTLY.
>> NO, IT IS. I'M GOING TO TAKE POINT ON THIS.
YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.
IT'S SHAME ON THE CITY FOR ALLOWING THIS TO GO FOR SO MANY YEARS, KNOWING THAT THERE'S NO ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT WANTS TO SIT HERE AND SAY, I'M GOING TO GIVE MYSELF A RAISE.
ALTHOUGH I HOPE ALL THE CITIZENS THAT LISTEN TO THIS LATER OR EVEN TONIGHT, WE RECOGNIZE THAT $11,243 IS NOT A LOT OF SALARY TODAY, EVEN FOR WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PART TIME POSITION AS COMMISSIONER IN CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, FOR TAKING THE TIME AND, I GUESS YOU WORKED THROUGH KATHY AND HR TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, BUT THANK YOU.
I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I BELIEVE THIS IS CHIEF FIX AS POLICE DEPARTMENT REPORT.
THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FROM THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THE CRIME THAT WAS INDICATED IN THE REPORT THAT WAS PUBLISHED.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.
VIC GUALILLO, CHIEF OF POLICE.
I'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU AS SHORT ANSWER AS POSSIBLE.
IN 2021, WE BEGAN TO SWITCH OVER FROM A CRIME REPORTING SYSTEM THE FBI USED.
TO A NIBRS, NATIONAL INCIDENT BASE REPORTING SYSTEM, WHICH IS MUCH MORE DETAILED.
THE UCR SYSTEM THAT WAS USED BEFORE UNIFORM PRIME REPORTING SYSTEM, HAD 12 CATEGORIES.
THE INDEX CRIMES ARE DIVIDED INTO YOUR POPULATION THAT GIVES YOU A PERCENTAGE.
WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT NOW,
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BUT WE ARE CALCULATING THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SAW IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT BASED ON THIS UNIFORM PRIME REPORTING MODEL.THE ENTIRE NATION IS TRANSITIONING TO THIS NIBRS MODEL, NATIONAL INCIDENT BASE REPORTING, WHICH YOU'LL HAVE MANY MORE CATEGORIES.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO TRY AND STAY AS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE NATIONAL INCIDENT BASED REPORTING SYSTEM, WE USED THE SAME POPULATION NUMBERS THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA USED.
HOWEVER, THE STATE OF FLORIDA REPORTED OUR LOCAL POPULATION ABOUT 389 PERSONS LESS THAN IT WAS IN, WE BELIEVE, THE ACTUAL CENSUS NUMBERS.
WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AGAIN AT THOSE INCIDENT BASED 12 CATEGORIES.
IN 2023, WE HAD 221 CRIMES, WE COULD COUNT ON UNDER THOSE 12 CATEGORIES.
IN 2024, WE HAD 221 CRIMES, THE EXACT SAME NUMBER.
THAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE THAT WE GAVE YOU REALLY WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE WE USED THE POPULATION NUMBER THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA ACCOUNTED TO ATTRIBUTE TO CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
HAD WE USED THE SAME NUMBER FROM THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE HAD ZERO CHANGE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER KELLY, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY COME OUT.
I'LL USE LAST YEAR AS AN EXAMPLE.
LAST YEAR, WE SAW WE HAD A SPIKE IN OUR RETAIL THEFT CATEGORY.
WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT AND WHERE WERE THOSE RETAIL THEFTS OCCURRING? WE LOOKED AT THE HEAT MAPS, AND THOSE OCCURRING TYPICALLY ON MAYPORT ROAD, MORE TOWARDS THE NORTH END OF MAYPORT ROAD.
WE TRIED TO DIVE THEN SPECIFICALLY AT WHAT TYPES OF ITEMS WERE THEY STEALING.
WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE REPORTS, AND WE FOUND IT WAS GENERALLY THE BEER, DRINKS, SOME FOOD ITEMS. I'LL TELL YOU THAT IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE HAD A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF HOMELESS CAMPS IN THAT AREA, ONE OF WHICH WAS BEHIND CANGRIA, ONE OF WHICH WAS AT THE SPIRAL GAS STATION, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS REMEMBER.
THOSE TWO AREAS AS FAR AS HOMELESS POPULATIONS WERE MOVED ALONG THROUGH THE COOPERATION WITH THOSE PRIVATE ENTITIES.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT NUMBER AND THAT NUMBER CAME DOWN CONSIDERABLY THIS YEAR.
THAT RETAIL CRIME FOR THIS YEAR CAME DOWN CONSIDERABLY ALSO, LAST YEAR, WE NOTICED WE HAD A HIGH BIKE THEFT RATE.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR IN FEBRUARY, WE WENT OUT AT CAMPAIGN AND WE PUT OUT THE REGISTRATION PROCESS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT TOLD PEOPLE IN OUR JURISDICTION, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN REGISTER YOUR BICYCLE WITH US WITH A SERIAL NUMBER.
WE PUT OUT PSAS REGARDING BIKE THEFTS AND THE BEST PRACTICES TO LOCK YOUR BIKE, DON'T LEAVE YOUR GARAGE DOOR OPEN, ETC.
IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE NOTICED A 30% REDUCTION AFTER THOSE EFFORTS TO A FEW MONTHS AGO.
FROM THAT TIME FRAME THAT THREE YEAR TIME FRAME, WE SAW 30% REDUCTION.
WE DO LOOK AT THOSE CATEGORIES EVERY YEAR.
WE TRY AND ADDRESS IT, WE ASK OURSELVES, WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT'S DIFFERENT? WHAT CAN WE DO TO CHANGE THOSE THINGS AND WE ADDRESS THEM.
THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T SEE A BIG CHANGE IN OUR THEFT CATEGORIES BECAUSE WE HAD THE EXACT SAME NUMBER, BUT THE PERCENTAGE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION NUMBERS WE USE FROM STATE OF FLORIDA.
HOPEFULLY, BEFORE YOU YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
WE ARE AT A POINT WE'RE CALLING THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT ME TO PASS A RESOLUTION FORMALLY MAKING THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE MARSH OAKS CENTER IS THE ENTIRE INSIDE HAS BEEN GUTTED.
THE ROOF HAS BEEN REDONE SO THAT IT'S NOW RATED TO 140 MILE AN HOUR WIND LOAD.
THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE ORDERED, THEY'RE NOT INSTALLED YET.
WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT INTERIOR WALLS.
THIS IS OF A FLOOR PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT WOULD CREATE TWO CLASSROOMS, A STORAGE ROOM FOR ALL THE SIX STOP TABLES THAT YOU SEE IN THERE, NOT THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY BUY SIX STOP TABLES, BUT IT WOULD ALSO CREATE A NUMBER OF OFFICES OVER THERE.
IT WOULD GIVE US OFFICES WHERE WE COULD RELOCATE OUR PARKS AND REC PEOPLE OUT OF ADELE AND OPEN THAT BUILDING UP AND MOVE THEM OVER TO MARSH OAKS.
IT WOULD GIVE US AN OFFICE WHERE WE COULD HAVE A VETERANS AFFAIRS OFFICER SPEND A DAY OR TWO A WEEK.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS TALKING WITH OUR FRIENDS AT THE AMERICAN LEGION IS THAT THEY HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM THE COJ VETERANS AFFAIRS TO STAFF ON A PART TIME BASIS ONCE WE HAVE A FACILITY READY.
THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.
IT WOULD STILL PROVIDE US A KITCHEN AND A COUPLE OF BATHROOMS, A COUPLE LARGE CLASSROOMS. IT WILL BE THE LARGEST MEETING AREA,
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I BELIEVE, IN THE CITY.THEN OFFICES FOR THREE PARKS PEOPLE WE HAVE OVER IN ADELE, PLUS THE SUPERVISOR FOR OUR FIELD CREW, OVER AT MARSH OAKS.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD APPRECIATE A CONSENSUS TO GO WITH THIS.
>> YES. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
>> DO WE NEED A CONSENSUS OR CAN I ASK QUESTIONS?
>> YES. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
>> THREE PART POSITIONS ARE GOING IN THE OFFICE AND THEN ONE SUPERVISOR?
THEN FOR THE CLASSROOMS, HAVE WE DECIDED WHAT WHAT WILL BE IN THOSE CLASSROOMS, OR ARE WE GOING TO DESIGNATE A SENIOR PROGRAMMING, VETERAN PROGRAMMING?
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE PROGRAMMING ESTABLISHED FOR IT, BUT WE WANTED TO SET ASIDE.
WE WANTED TO HAVE DEDICATED CLASSROOMS.
>> THEN CAN ARC BE PART OF THAT? I IMAGINE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
>> PART OF ESTABLISHING WHAT THE PROGRAMS ARE OR?
>> AT LEAST PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING ALL OF THAT.
>> THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE WE WOULD DO.
>> I HAD HOPED FOR AN ART ROOM, TOO.
>> I WAS SAYING ARC AS IN THE ARTS AND RECREATION COMMUNITY.
>> WELL, I HAD NORTHERN EXPOSURE.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THE LIGHT'S GOOD.
>> I LIKE WHAT'S DONE, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.
RECOMMENDATIONS. I LOOK AT THIS 25% OF THE BUILDING ROUGHLY LOOKS LIKE TO BE OFFICE SPACE.
I DON'T WANT TO TURN INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT I RECOGNIZE THERE NEEDS TO BE A FEW OFFICES.
I JUST WANT TO MITIGATE THE NUMBER OF OFFICES.
FORMAL OFFICES WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE THERE.
THE OTHER THING I HAVE, LIKE THE MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM, LET'S SAY, WHAT'S THE THE LIMIT FOR PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING FOR THAT MULTI-USE ROOM. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA?
>> YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PERMITTED YET, WE HAVEN'T GOT A FIRE MARSHAL LOAD FOR IT.
>> BUT DON'T WE HAVE AN IDEA PER SQUARE FOOT, WHAT'S NORMALLY ALLOWABLE?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SPRINKLED.
>> YOU CAN LOAD IT MORE IF IT'S SPRINKLED ON THE NUMBER OF INGRESSES.
>> HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING. BECAUSE I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NICE AFFORDABLE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO RENT OUT AND HAVE A WEDDING RECEPTION.
>> THIS ACTUALLY WOULD BE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES OF THIS SIZE THAT IF WE ALLOWED IT TO BE RENTED, AND I ASSUME WE WOULD, THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES AT THE BEACH.
IT'S NOT EVERYBODY CAN GO TO A CLUB OR WHATEVER.
I WANT THIS TO BE A NICE BUILDING, SO PEOPLE WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE A RECEPTION THERE OR WHATEVER.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WE WALK AWAY FROM THIS.
I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN IN MY MIND THAT THIS SHOULD BE NAMED THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.
HOWEVER, I DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER WHO REPRESENTS MARSH OAKS. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, I HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON FRIDAY PUTTING BEFORE THE COMMISSION A RESOLUTION TO NAME THIS COMMUNITY CENTER AS MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.
I THINK IT JUST IS VERY FITTING BEING IN THE DISTRICT OF MARSH OAKS, AND I KNOW SPEAKING TO A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE SOMETHING NAMED.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE SURVEYS, WE CAN SURVEY OURSELVES INTO OBLIVION.
IF WE KNOW FROM THE COMMISSIONER THAT THE CONSTITUENTS IN MARSH OAKS LIKE THAT IDEA, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO PRODUCE THAT RESOLUTION.
>> YOU HAVE SO MANY DIRECTIVES TONIGHT.
>> I'M HITTING A LOAD WHICH ONLY MEANS THAT YOU WILL GET IT NEXT TIME.
>> TWO TIMES GOING TO BE TERRIBLE.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?
>> JUST ONE. IF THIS IS PART OF OUR ROTATION FOR TOWN HALL, I KNOW THAT JORDAN CENTER AND ACTUALLY ADELE, AND ACTUALLY GAIL BAKER,
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THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAMERAS.AS WE'RE BUILDING THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED, COMMUNITY CENTER WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOLD A LOT MORE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET OR IF YOU'VE THOUGHT THAT FAR, BUT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE STREAMING TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT IN MARSH OAKS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE.
>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT SAME REQUEST.
HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME YOU APPROVE A BUDGET, WE WILL BE THAT FAR.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
>> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 4, REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS, BEGINNING WITH [OVERLAPPING]
THOSE ARE ONES ON THE AGENDA. [LAUGHTER]
>> HOPEFULLY, TWO OF THEM MAY NOT BE QUICK.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE QUICK ONE.
WE GOT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM USTA ON TENNIS, AND THEY DO HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE ABOUT LEAGUE PLAY AND THAT WE SHOULD CHARGE FOR LEAGUE PLAY.
IT IS MY INTENT TO ALLOW LEAGUE PLAY.
UNLESS THE COMMISSION TELLS ME OTHERWISE.
WE HAVE INTEREST AGAIN FOR TWO LEAGUES ON THURSDAY AND WE HAVE A LEAGUE THAT HAS NOT EXPRESSED INTEREST, BUT PLAYS ON SATURDAY THAT WE WILL REACH OUT TO AND THEN JUST CONTINUE TO ALLOW LEAGUE PLAY AND CHARGE THEM THE PAVILION RATE.
UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMISSION, THAT'S THE DIRECTION I INTEND TO GO.
>> THEN, THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THERE'S BEEN AN EXPRESSED INTEREST, SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO VIEW THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THE FARMER'S MARKET, AT LEAST, AS I VIEW IT, IS A PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS ESSENTIALLY PROVIDED.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD A NONPROFIT THAT WE PARTNERED WITH, AND THEN THAT NONPROFIT CHOSE TO GO AWAY AND SO WE REACHED OUT AND ORGANIZED A FOR PROFIT TO WORK WITH US.
WE NOW HAVE THE BUSINESS IN THE PARKS CODE.
BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS A CITY PROGRAM, THIS ISN'T A FOR PROFIT WHO CAME TO US.
I HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD PUT OUT THE FARMERS MARKET AS AN RFP AND SEE WHAT KIND OF BIDS WE DID.
GIVEN THAT THAT WAS A SUGGESTION, I'M BRINGING IT TO THIS COMMISSION TO SEE IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THE FARMERS MARKET IS A CITY PROGRAM, AND JUST LIKE FLAG FOOTBALL WHERE WE PUT IT OUT AND HIRE PEOPLE, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO THAT FOR THE FARMERS MARKET.
I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THAT.
> ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DID WHEN WE SWITCHED?
>> COMMISSIONER, I RECOMMEND RFP OR TAKE IT IN THE HOUSE 102. YOU GOOD?
OKAY. THEN LAST, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS OR INTEREST THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM CITIZENS ABOUT A LETTER FROM NEPTUNE BEACH.
APPARENTLY LAST COMMISSION MEETING AT NEPTUNE BEACH, THEY HAD A LETTER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN YOUR PACKET, IN WHICH THEY ARE ASKING ATLANTIC BEACH TO PROVIDE FIRE SUPPRESSION WATER FOR 500 ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND 572 ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE KMART SITE AND WHERE THE SMALLER PUBLIX IS AT.
>> THE MAYOR HAS MADE THAT FORMAL REQUEST OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, AND SO I THINK THE NEXT STEP FOR US WOULD BE TO HAVE STAFF MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AND ABILITY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION AS TO IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DOING THAT?
>> DIDN'T WE ALREADY BUILD MINI TOWER.
BUT WASN'T THIS ALREADY BUILD.
>> I BELIEVE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE BIG GREEN MONSTER
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WAS TO PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE SWALER PUBLIX.>> RIGHT. BUT IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE PRESSURE NECESSARY TO REDEVELOP THE KMART SITE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS NEPTUNE BEACH CAN PROVIDE WATER POTABLE WATER AND SEWER TO THE KMART SITE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE TO SUPPLY FIRE PREVENTION.
>> YOU WERE PROBABLY GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, CITY MANAGER.
BUT THE DELINEATION BETWEEN THE 500 ATLANTIC BOULEVARD AND 572, THAT'S THE PUBLIX IS 500, CORRECT?
>> OH, OKAY. YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY DO HAVE POTABLE WATER FOR 572.
BUT THIS LETTER IT'S MISSING SO MUCH INFORMATION.
>> RIGHT NOW, ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS FIRE PROTECTION. IT'S PRESSURE.
>> BUT THE GREEN MONSTER, THE BIG TANK BEHIND DOES PROVIDE FIRE FOR 572.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. MY SUSPICION IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THAT.
>> THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEIR RESIDENTS TO REMOVE THAT.
BUT BESIDE THE POINT FOR US, WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING TO THEM, BUT I WANT TO SET THE STAGE NOW BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL THINK OF THIS.
IF IN FACT, WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE FIRST OF ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE FOR US AS FAR AS CAPACITY TO DO THAT.
NOW, REMEMBER, IT'S NOT CAPACITY TO PROVIDE POTABLE WATER FOR USE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
THE INTENT IS THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PRESSURE.
BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, WHAT COSTS WOULD BE INCURRED, AND HOW WOULD WE WORK THROUGH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER TO ENSURE THAT THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH AT NO TIME EVER HAVE INCUR A COST FOR DOING A GOOD DEED FOR OUR NEIGHBOR.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING FOR CONSIDERATION.
THEN FINALLY, IT'S GOING TO COME UP BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS IS, HOW DO YOU ENSURE THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT THROUGH YOUR INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THIS DOES NOT MORPH INTO SUPPLYING WATER TO THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH, UNLESS PROPERLY CODIFIED AND AGREED UPON.
THE ISSUE, AS I SEE IT IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT PROVIDING THE PRESSURE SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
SOME PEOPLE WANT TO USE THIS EXAM OR THIS NEED TO SQUASH ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT IS NOT THIS MAYOR.
THIS MAYOR BELIEVES THAT OUR SISTER CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH DESERVES TO AFTER 20 YEARS TO ACTUALLY REDEVELOP THE KMART SITE RESPONSIBLY.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP.
>> YES. COME AHEAD. COMMISSIONER.
>> I'M THINKING OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN NEPTUNE BEACH, NAMELY AROUND THE LEMON BAR.
I THINK THEIR DEMAND IS GOING TO GET HIGHER AND HIGHER.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONLY SUFFICIENT POTABLE WATER, BUT THEY HAVE THE PRESSURE.
I ASSUME YOU'RE THE SMART GUY IN THESE MATTERS.
I ASSUME THERE'S A DIFFERENT WATER MAIN SERVICING THAT SECTION OF TOWN.
>> YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR GRID, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SAME AS YOURS IS THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE BOTH THE POTABLE WATER AND THE PRESSURE NECESSARY FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION AT BOTH THE SEA HORSE AND LEMON BAR.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY MUST BE ON A SEPARATE GRID.
OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SMALL, AND THEY JUST CAN'T PROVIDE THE CAPACITY THERE FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
BUT I'M NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER SYSTEM.
>> ALSO, FOR KNOWLEDGE AND MR. GRANT, I SURE THE NEWEST, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THIS.
WE SUPPOSEDLY CURRENTLY HAVE A SEWER LINE UNDER ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, WHERE THE U HAUL IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE, AND WE SUPPOSEDLY HAVE A WATER LINE TO THE EAST OF THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE IT CROSSES ATLANTIC.
BUT THE NEED WOULD BE FOR THE USERS, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH OR THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH IN COLLABORATION WITH THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER TO INSTALL ALL INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITH THE WATER METER.
BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A WATER METER IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A FIRE, AND THEY ACTUALLY DO TAKE THE WATER, PUT THE FIRE OUT.
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THOSE ARE THE SIMPLE FACTS.>> ASIDE FROM WHAT THEY USE, I THINK WE DESERVE SOME FEE FOR BEING THERE, AS A RETAINER OF SORTS, IF YOU WILL, OTHER THAN JUST WHAT THEY USE IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO GET THIS SOMEWHERE.
GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER TOWER, OR THEY'RE GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I ASSUME I JUST JUST SOON BE THE SOLUTION FOR THAT, GENERATE SOME REVENUE FOR US WITHOUT ANY INCONVENIENCE TO THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
IF WE CAN DO ALL THAT, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
JUST A MESSAGE TO ANYBODY WHO FEELS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE CARE, DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
US SUPPLYING THEM FIRE SUPPRESSION PRESSURE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE DICTATING OR NOT THEIR DEVELOPMENT EFFORT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN GO GET THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THOSE ARGUMENTS ARE FALLING ON DEAF EARS, AT LEAST IN MY DIRECTION.
>> THIS WAS TWO YEARS AGO THAT IT CAME BEFORE A COMMISSION, BUT DID IT COME BEFORE A COMMISSION AS POTABLE WATER OR FIRE SUPPRESSION?
>> NO, IT CAME AS FIRE SUPPRESSION.
>> YEAH. WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY DOWN ON THIS ONE.
>> THE REASON WHY I BASICALLY TABLED IT THE LAST TIME WAS WE NEVER RECEIVED A DIRECT REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH TO SUPPLY THE WATER.
THE REQUEST AT THE TIME, IF I HAD THE LANGUAGE, I'D READ IT TO YOU, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PROVIDING WATER TO THE DEVELOPERS OF 500 ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, AND THAT WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO MOVE THE AGENDA WITH OUR COMMISSION.
>> HERE IS THAT QUESTION THAT I HAD TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS, WHAT IS 500 ATLANTIC BOULEVARD GOING TO DEVELOP TO BE? IT'S A CONDO. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF IT'S A MIXED USE.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS YOU ULTIMATELY VOTE TO OR NOT TO, AND COMMISSIONER GRANT, JUST ELOQUENTLY PUT IT, THAT THAT'S THEIR CITY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET DRAGGED INTO THEIR CITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SO ON.
THE ONLY ISSUE FOR ME IS, DO WE PROVIDE A NEIGHBOR WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION.
>> THEN THOSE PIPES WERE BUILT DECADES AGO, THAT WOULD LINK US RIGHT TO NEPTUNE BEACH.
MAYBE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD THOUGHT WERE THINKING.
>> YOU MAY KNOW THE HISTORY ON IT.
APPARENTLY, DECADES AGO, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO HAVE RECIPROCITY AND REDUNDANCY BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A PIPE THAT RUNS UNDERNEATH ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, AND THERE'S A VALVE THERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT VALVE HAS NOT BEEN WORKED SINCE THE PIPE HAS BEEN LAID, SO IT IS PROBABLY FROZEN SHUT.
ANYTHING THAT IS DONE WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
>> BUT IT WOULD PROVIDE. ASIDE FROM ANY MONETARY BENEFIT WE MIGHT GET FROM IT IS, WE DID GIVE A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE POTABLE WATER TO MAYPORT NAVAL STATION AND VICE VERSA, SHOULD ONE OF US BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN WATER? SHOULD ONE OF US LOSE WATER FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT BY RE ESTABLISHING THIS CONNECTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME THING TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.
IN THE EVENT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON OUR WATER TREATMENT, PRODUCTION WENT DOWN, WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS BOTH FROM THE NORTH AND FROM THE SOUTH FOR ADDITIONAL WATER.
>> WITH NO PRESSURE. [LAUGHTER]
>> I GOT TO SAY THAT WATER PRESSURE AT MY HOUSE IS NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT.
I WOULD LIKE ASSURANCE AT OUR [OVERLAPPING] PRESSURE WAS THE SAME.
>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHARGES THAT WE SHOULD GIVE TO OUR CITY MANAGER, AND HE KNOWS THIS.
HE'S GOT TO GO BACK AND SEE IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY.
WHEN I HEARD CAPACITY, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT VOLUME, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T JUST VOLUME.
IT IS THE PRESSURE. WE DO NEED TO HEAR BACK FROM ENGINEERING ON THAT.
>> THIS ONE PROBABLY WILL NOT COME BACK TO YOU NEXT.
IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT NEXT MEETING.
>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THE STUDY AND BRING IT BACK TO US? OKAY?
>> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I AM DONE.
[LAUGHTER] WE DID NOT ALREADY DO OUR REPORTS.
I TRIED TO DO THE REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO OUR REPORTS STARTING WITH MR. GRANT.
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>> YEAH, I THINK WE COVERED MOST OF WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HERE IN ATLANTA A COUPLE OF HOURS, SO I'LL PASS.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> I'M RELUCTANT TO ADD ANYTHING EITHER.
ALTHOUGH WE DID GO OBSERVE THE ACTIVE SHOOTER AT MAYPORT METAL.
>> I TALK TO CHIEF LATER ABOUT WHAT I SAW.
>> NO, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I'M SO PROUD TO BE THERE AND CHIEF, THANK YOU.
CHIEF GAVE ME A TUTORIAL WHILE WE WERE THERE, SO I HAD A LOT BETTER UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR CITIZENS OF THE THREE BEACH COMMUNITY SHOULD FEEL VERY LUCKY TO HAVE COLLABORATIVE ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN ALL THREE, INCLUDING JSO AND JFRD.
EVERYBODY IS IN ON THAT ACTION, VERY WELL DONE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER RING.
>> JUST ONE. I READ THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S FIRST MONTHLY NEWSLETTER. IT'S FANTASTIC.
IT JUST GOES THROUGH HIGHLIGHTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THE LIFEGUARD STATION TO MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEN EVEN DIVES INTO THE COMMUNITY OR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES.
I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND THAT WE'VE PUT IN FOR OUR PRIORITIES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE IS TO SEE A PICTURE OF CITY MANAGER AND HIS DOG MILO.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION TO ADD THAT PERSONAL TOUCH, BUT FANTASTIC JOB TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR DOING THAT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEXT ONE.
>> THANK YOU. I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET A PICTURE OF ME AND MY DOG.
>> I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, OTHER THAN I HAVE TO SAY, ONCE AGAIN, HAPPY BIRTHDAY ON WEDNESDAY TO COMMISSIONER KELLY.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> I'D LIKE TO PULL 42 AND 50.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH ITEM 6B, 6C, 6D, 6E UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM 6A AND 6F.
ALL IN FAVOR THAT MIGHT NEED A MOTION.
ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALL ITEMS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA -42 AND 50.
>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
[6.A. Approve Resolution No. 25-42]
NOW WE'LL MOVE BACK TO ITEM 6A.APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-42.
DO YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT TO READ IT.
>> SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT, 25-42, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH US IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, ICE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 287-G OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, AUTHORIZING ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF TO PARTICIPATE IN AND MANAGE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, AND CITY ATTORNEY TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF B.
>> BEING AGAIN, G CHIEF POLICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BEGIN BY ANSWERING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HEARD FROM CITIZENS EARLIER.
WE WERE ENGAGED, AS ALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS WERE THROUGH OUR PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, THE FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION, THE CHIEFS OF POLICE ASSOCIATION, THAT THIS 287-G PROGRAM WAS AVAILABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN.
THIS AGREEMENT CAME TO US THROUGH THOSE PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.
THERE ARE THREE MODELS OR THREE AGREEMENTS THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE UNDER.
TWO OF THOSE AGREEMENTS DON'T APPLY TO US BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO RUN OUR OWN JAIL.
THOSE ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS SHERIFF'S OFFICES, COUNTY LEVEL ADMINISTRATIONS, THE ONE THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN IS THE TASK FORCE MODEL.
THIS TASK FORCE MODEL WOULD ALLOW LANDIS BEACH POLICE OFFICERS TO FUNCTION WITH ICE AGENTS ON A TASK FORCE TO IMPLEMENT THE LAWS, AND IMMIGRATION LAWS OF THE COUNTRY.
TURNING BACK THE TIME CLOCK HERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, SINCE I WAS ON THE STREET A LONG TIME AGO.
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THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE OUR OFFICERS HAVE ENCOUNTERED PEOPLE WITH ICE DETAINERS, PICK UP ORDERS THAT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE.WE'D MAKE A CALL TO ICE OR IMMIGRATION OR CUSTOMERS, WHOEVER THEY USED TO BE DIFFERENT ACRONYM.
THEY WOULD EVALUATE WHAT THE OFFICERS DOING ON THE STREET.
MOST TIMES THE ANSWER WAS, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM IN OUR CUSTODY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEND ANYBODY OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER. DO YOU HAVE LOCAL CHARGES, SO YOU CAN PUT THEM IN THE JAIL.
WE JUST SIMPLY STOPPED THEM ON AN ENCOUNTER, CONSENSUAL ENCOUNTER, TALK TO THEM, AND FOUND OUT THIS PERSON HAD SOME FEDERAL WARRANT THAT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE.
THAT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME STILL.
ADMINISTRATION HAS CHANGED, THE MISSION OF ICE AND CUSTOMS HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, THAT'S WAXED AND WANED.
WE'RE AGAIN IN THAT POSITION WHERE I THINK THIS WILL BE A GOOD TOOL FOR OFFICERS TO USE.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS MORE OF AN OPTION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE SOME OF THOSE DETAINERS AND PICKUPS WHEN WE HAVE NO LOCAL CHARGES.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE HAVE LOCAL CHARGES ON SOMEONE WHO IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT AND OUR CITY.
THEY'RE ARRESTED FOR THOSE LOCAL CHARGES AND THEY'RE TAKEN DOWN DUVAL COUNTY JAIL.
THAT WILL NOT CHANGE WITH THIS ICE AGREEMENT.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS DAY-TO-DAY.
THE COUNTY WOULD PICK UP THEN CONTACT WITH ICE AND TALK TO ICE ABOUT WHETHER THIS PERSON NEEDED TO BE INTERVIEWED BY AN ICE AGENT OR IF THEY HAD A DETAINER, THAT WAS REQUESTING THEM TO BE DETAINED OR TAKEN TO ANOTHER FACILITY.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS PARTICIPATE IN THE TASKFORCE MODEL.
THERE IS A TRAINING PROGRAM THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT ICE WOULD ADMINISTER.
I LOOK TODAY ON THE CURRENT LIST OF FLORIDA POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE SIGNED ON WITH THIS ICE MOA. IT'S 125.
THAT DOES NOT COUNT THE COUNTY SHERIFFS ORGANIZATIONS, THE SHERIFFS AND CORRECTIONS.
THERE'S ABOUT 67 COUNTIES, THERE'S AT LEAST DOUBLE THAT.
THIS IS ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO HAVE SIGNED ON ALREADY.
THERE ARE SECTIONS AGREEMENT THAT DEAL WITH THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE WORKING WITH ICE, THAT THEY WOULD BE COVERED AS FEDERAL AGENTS.
IF THERE ARE ANY TORT CLAIMS THAT COME OUT OF THEIR INVOLVEMENT, THEY COULD BE COVERED UNDER THE FEDERAL PROGRAM AS ANY FEDERAL AGENT WOULD.
THERE'S ALSO STIPULATIONS IN HERE THAT IF OUR OFFICERS ENCOUNTER ANY SITUATIONS THAT WOULD VIOLATE ONE OF OUR POLICIES, THEY ARE EXPECTED NOT TO VIOLATE OUR POLICIES, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND HOW ICE DOES BUSINESS.
I DOUBT THEY WOULD BE TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT THERE IS A CAVIAT IN THE AGREEMENT, SAY, HEY, LOOK, IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE ONE OF OUR LOCAL POLICIES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, AND WE AGREE TO THAT.
IT'S A DECENTLY WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH PARTICIPATING IN THIS TASK FORCE.
WE PARTICIPATE IN MANY TASK FORCE OF FEDERAL AGENCIES NOW, WHETHER THAT IS FBI, DEA, NCIS.
WE'RE ON TASK FORCES WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO ENFORCE DRUG LAWS, TO ENFORCE ANY OTHER FEDERAL VIOLATIONS. WE WORK TOGETHER.
WE'D BE WORKING DIRECTLY IN COLLABORATION WITH ICE AND UNDER THEIR DIRECTION.
WE HAD A SITUATION WE'RE NOT TRAINED IN THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE AS FAR AS THERE WAS A SIMPLE DETAINER OR A FEDERAL WARRANT TO BE APPLIED.
WE WOULD MAKE A CALL TO THE LOCAL ICE AGENT AND GET DIRECTION FROM THERE.
>> I HAVE SOME. DO YOU FEEL THOUGH THAT THIS AGREEMENT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE ICE EFFORT IN OUR CITY IF YOU AGREE TO THIS TASK FORCE AGREEMENT, IN TERMS OF OUR EFFORT TO CONTROL THAT IN OUR CITY.
I DON'T ENVISION AND YOU TELL ME, BUT I DON'T ENVISION TAKING PART IN THIS TASK FORCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN BE, RUNNING OUT TO WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION SITES, OR WHATEVER TO LOOK FOR POTENTIAL, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
DO YOU PICTURE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING OR?
>> NO. THIS I'M LOOKING AS A TOOL FOR US TO USE TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY.
IN THOSE INSTANCES, WHERE WE HAD SOMEONE WHO WE FELT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT FURTHER BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INQUIRE, WHY ARE YOU HERE, WHAT'S YOUR BACKGROUND? DO YOU HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND? ARE YOU TELLING US THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT YOUR IDENTITY IS? BECAUSE MOST TIMES, A LOT OF FOLKS WE ENCOUNTER WHO AREN'T HERE LEGALLY DON'T HAVE A FORM OF ID.
THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY PURCHASED ON THE INTERNET THAT CALLS AN INTERNATIONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A PASSPORT THAT REALLY ISN'T ITS COUNTERFEIT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH.
I DON'T ENVISION US GOING OUT TO DO ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A SWEEP.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THOSE THINGS AREN'T OCCURRING.
WHEN ICE GOES OUT NOW, THEY HAVE A DIRECTED MISSION TO GO CONTACT GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR A CERTAIN LIST OF PEOPLE AT THESE LOCATIONS.
THEY'RE NOT WALKING INTO SCHOOLS OR CONSTRUCTION SITES,
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AND ASKING PEOPLE GREEN CARDS.THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS.
THAT'S HOW I ENVISION US DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM.
IF WE GO WITH THEM ON THIS TASK FORCE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE A DIRECTED ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR THESE PEOPLE FOR THIS REASON.
WE KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE DETAINERS.
IF WE ENCOUNTER PEOPLE INCIDENTALLY, I EXPECT JUST LIKE ICE IS DOING NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER THOSE FOLKS AND ASK THEM, ARE YOU HERE ILLEGALLY? IF THEY FIND OUT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PICKED UP, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF THE MISSION.
WE'RE NOT GOING OUT AND DO ANYTHING LOOKS LIKE A SWEEP IN ANYBODY'S SCHOOL OR CONSTRUCTION SITE.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A TOOL TO HELP US WE ENCOUNTER THOSE ONE AND TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH THAT WE ENCOUNTER LEGALLY IN OTHER SITUATIONS THAT IF WE HAVE TO USE OUR ICE AUTHORITY TO PICK THEM UP, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT? IT'S A TOOL. I DON'T ENVISION US TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS WEEPS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED MIGHT OCCUR.
>> ONE OF THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT QUOTAS.
THERE'S NO QUOTAS IN THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE I'D BE AGAINST THAT.
>> NOW, WE'VE ALL HEARD THE REPORTING FROM THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT THERE ARE QUOTAS AND THEY'RE EXPECTED TO PICK UP THE SLACK.
IT MAY HAVE MAY BE DIFFERENT IN THE FEDERAL WORLD, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FOR US.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE PARTICIPATE IN.
>> YOU CAN SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT CLEAR IN THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT.
ESPECIALLY IN SECTION 5, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO DUE PROCESS IF YOU SUSPECT SOMEONE LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE AN ALIEN.
IT GIVES YOU CARTE BLANCHE TO QUIZ PEOPLE ON THEIR CITIZENSHIP AND I HAD SWORE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH INCLUDES THE BILL OF RIGHTS, WHICH GUARANTEES DUE PROCESS.
I DON'T SEE DUE PROCESS IN THIS MEMORANDUM OR IN ANYTHING I'VE HEARD FROM ICE.
I BELIEVE IN JUSTICE AND MERCY, AND I DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING.
I DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR TOWN.
>> A COUPLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS.
I APPRECIATE WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY SAID, AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT OFFICERS.
WAIT A MINUTE. YOU DON'T KNOW PROFILE.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY PROFILING ANYBODY.
I DON'T CARE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UNLESS WE GET IRON CLAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL.
WE SHOULDN'T BE GOING OUT AND PROFILING ANYBODY.
I DON'T GET THE SENSE THIS ALLOWS US TO DO THAT AND MAYBE WE NEED TO CLEAR UP AND LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE.
BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
BUT I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO AND SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE I THINK IT WAS MR. ZISSER, BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF, THEY'RE DOING WORK THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD WANT TO.
LET'S SAY THERE'S A CONTRACTOR WHO'S BEEN, REPORTED SUSPECTING USING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO PERFORM WORK.
WE HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACTOR IN TOWN WHO'S NOT, AND HE'S FILING THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
IF SOMEONE REPORTS THE PERSON THAT'S, USING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WE THAT'D BE A CASE WHERE I THINK INVESTIGATION WOULD BE WARRANTED.
I'D BE AGAINST SWEEPS, I'D BE AGAINST PROFILING.
IF THIS ALLOWS THAT, I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT CLOSER.
I WOULDN'T WANT THAT, BUT OTHERWISE, I WOULD WANT IT, BECAUSE IT GIVES US ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS.
>> IF I MAY TO THE COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER GRANT, THERE IS A SECTION AND OBVIOUSLY, ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAW WOULD BE APPLICABLE WHETHER IT'S IN THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT, BUT THERE IS A SECTION 16 CIVIL RIGHTS STANDARDS, AND IT DOES SAY THAT ALL PARTICIPATING LA PERSONNEL, WHICH WOULD BE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE WHO PERFORM ANY FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS ARE BOUND BY ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS STATUTES AND REGULATIONS.
ALL OF THIS STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PROFILING AND OTHER FEATURES OF THE CONSTITUTION ON DOWN OBVIOUSLY IS STILL APPLICABLE.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-42.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
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[6.F. Approve Resolution No. 25-50]
MOVING TO ITEM 6F RESOLUTION 25-50.DID YOU PULL THAT. WAIT A SECOND. I SHOULD HAVE HAD.
YOU GOT IT. THANKS. NOW RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE THERMAL PLASTIC CROSSWALK PROJECT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MARI. RESOLUTION 25-50, WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY $50,000 FOR THERMOPLASTIC RESTRIPING VARIOUS SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
BUT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONTRACT THAT WOULD ENCUMBER THAT $50,000 TO DO THE THERMOPLASTIC CROSSWALKS.
PRINCIPALLY ON THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS.
ON THE BACK, I THINK IT'S PAGE 138.
IT LISTS THE CROSSWALKS AND START BARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOLS.
IF THERE WAS ANY MONEY LEFT OVER, THEN WE WOULD PROGRAM THAT BASTOP OF NEED.
>> MY QUESTION WAS, WE HAVE A STRIPING MACHINE.
WHY ARE WE PAYING WHAT'S SO SUPER DUPER ABOUT THE STRIPING PROJECT?
>> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE A THERMOPLASTIC.
THAT'S THE PERMANENT. WE HAVE THE PAINT. VERIFY THAT.
>> LIKE, HOW LONG IS PLASTIC SUPPOSED TO LAST?
>> I DON'T HAVE THE TIME FRAMES ON IT.
IT WEARS OUT MUCH SLOWER THAN THE PAINT.
IT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THE STRIPING AND CROSS BARS AND EVERYTHING.
>> THE PERMANENT STUFF IS THE THERMOPLASTIC.
YOU FEEL IT WHEN YOU RUN OVER IT. THAT'S THERMOPLASTIC.
>> LAY IT DOWN AND IT'S LITERALLY MELTED INTO THE ASPHALT.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 25-50.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-50.
>> MOTION IS SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
[7.A. Environmental Stewardship Committee (ESC)]
IT HAS TAKEN US SEVERAL HOURS TO GET TO YOU, BUT WE ARE DELIGHTED TO SEE YOU HERE AND CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR ABOUT THE ESC.
>> I KNOW YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING ANXIOUSLY FOR MY REPORT. HERE WE GO.
>> I CAN OPERATE. IS IT RIGHT HERE? YOU GOT TECHNOLOGY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE I SAID THIS IS I'LL GO THROUGH A REPORT.
I HAVE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME THAT WE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO ASK YOU ALL ABOUT, THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, FEEL FREE TO JUST THROW THEM OUT THERE, BUT I CAN USE THOSE QUESTIONS TO GUIDE IT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO HEAR THE REPORT, THAT'S GOOD TOO, BUT ME START RUNNING THROUGH.
ESSENTIALLY, WE JUST LIKE IN THIS REPORT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES THAT WE SET FOR '24 '25, THE METRICS THAT WE'RE TRACKING AGAINST FOR THE TIME BEING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE SCHEDULES AND LIKE THE MOVING FORWARD.
LIKE THE NEW STRUCTURE, IMPROVING COMMS. THEN I THINK THERE'S LIKE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IF YOU CHOOSE.
UPDATE ON PRIORITIES AND FORGIVE ME FOR THIS BEING A VERY BUSY SLIDE, BUT THERE IS A LOT THAT WE'RE STILL CARRYING AND HOLDING OVER.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE VIEW OF ONE, WHAT'S IN PROGRESS IN YELLOW, WHAT'S COMPLETED IN GREEN, AND WHAT'S TECHNICALLY BLOCKED IN RED, ALTHOUGH AS I WAS TALKING TO SARAH EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS, I THINK THOSE ACTUALLY ARE IN PROGRESS MORE THAN THEY'RE BLOCK.
THEY'RE JUST NEED TO BRING IT UP IN SIDE MEETINGS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE A LOT MOVING ON.
THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE SET.
THIS IS THE STATUS OF THEM. I'M HAPPY TO RETURN TO THAT.
I'LL JUST GET THROUGH EVERYTHING AND WE CAN GO THROUGH YOUR QUESTIONS.
IMPACT METRICS THAT WE'RE TRACKING RIGHT NOW.
IN TERMS OF THE FREE TREE SIGN UPS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 46 FAMILIES OR HOUSES THAT HAVE DONE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY PACKETS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
THAT YOU GET TO SEE MY CHILDREN IN THIS PHOTO.
SORRY I JUST REALIZED THAT DID THAT.
[02:15:01]
BUT THIS WAS AT THE FARMERS MARKET.WE HAD THAT LITTLE, BUTTERFLY GARDEN.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT, LIKE COMMUNICATIONS AND OUTREACH.
WE HAVE HOURS DONATED FOR VOLUNTEERS, SIGN UPS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IN DONATION CRAFTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE METRICS THAT WE TRACK AND WHERE WE FOCUS.
THIS IS THE THING WE'D LIKE TO BE BEEFING UP IN THE FUTURE.
WE ALSO HAVE A MAY SPEAKER EVENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS HERE, BUT AS I TALK, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THAT.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR COMMITTEE DOES THE SET UP THESE SESSIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BRING INTERESTING PEOPLE IN TO BRING INFORMATION KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'M GOING TO HANG HERE FOR JUST FOR A SECOND. YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH IF YOU LIKE.
>> THEN JUST A BIT, I KNOW WE DON'T MEAN TO DIG INTO THIS, BUT THIS IS A CORE PART OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON FOR A LITTLE BIT, SO IT'S WORTH DIGGING INTO.
WE WELCOME A COUPLE OF NEW MEMBERS ONTO THE BOARD, CHRISTINA AND AMY.
OBVIOUSLY, BRUCE, SARAH, DAN, ANASTASIA, MYSELF, AND AMY HAVE ALL BEEN HERE, BUT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE NEW MEMBERS ON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THEM THROUGH.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THEM ON BOARD.
THE PAST STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT, THIS IS MY TERM, BUT IT WAS MORE OF A MATRIX.
THERE'S MORE STRUCTURE AROUND THE DESIGN OF THE BOARD.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED VERSION NOW.
THIS IS ABOUT EFFECTIVELY MOVING FORWARD, SO THERE IT IS.
THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS, HOW TO SET UP REGULAR MEETINGS, THIS REPORT, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE I CAN SHARE BACK INFORMATION ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU GUYS CAN ASK US QUESTIONS.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IMPLEMENTING THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AGAIN, I HAVE ADDITIONAL SLIDES IF YOU WANT TO DIG INTO QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO VIEW SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AND, IF YOU LIKE, LOOK AT THE AGENDA PACKET, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO DO IT THAT WAY.
I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO MY QUESTION VIEW, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW? WHAT CAN I TELL YOU?
>> I NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE MY SUGGESTION NOTED.
KEVIN TALKED ABOUT DURING HIS REPORT, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE NEW RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING IN AND WANTING TO CUT TREES, ETC.
I THINK THE BIGGEST WAY TO INFLUENCE THAT IS TO OFFER SOME SAVINGS TO THEIR TREE FEE, IF YOU WILL, SHOULD THEY HAVE TO CUT TO JUST SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE GROUP, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, ONE OR TWO MEMBERS FROM ESC OR THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE.
>> THE RESIDENT IS SPEAKING TO THE ESC.
>> MY IDEA WAS, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAS A FINE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO CUT DOWN SO MANY OF THEIR TREES, JUST SITTING DOWN SAVES THEM 10% OFF OF THAT, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
YOU HAVE A REAL MOTIVATION FOR THEM TO SIT DOWN AND JUST UNDERSTAND OUR CITY, UNDERSTAND OUR CULTURE, UNDERSTAND WHAT TREES WE REALLY WANT SAVED, AND WHICH ONES WE MAYBE DON'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT, THAT SORT OF THING, AND GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN IS BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING TO JUST TAKE OUT A BUNCH OF PALMS AND PLANT SOME OAKS.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD SUPPORT INSTEAD OF JUST MEASURING EVERY SINGLE PALM TREE AND HAVING THEM WRITE A CHECK, AND BE THE END OF IT.
IF WE CAN SOMEHOW ENGAGE AND INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO THAT THING, I'M HAPPY TO HELP AND PARTICIPATE.
BUT THE SOONER WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THE SOONER WE GET THAT COMMUNICATION REALLY STARTS TO FLOW, I THINK.
>> I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK AT THE TREE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
THERE'S PROBABLY A DIRECT LINE TO CONVERSATIONS LEADING TO BETTER ACTION AROUND TREES, LIKE BIG AIR QUOTES AROUND BETTER ACTION.
I THINK EFFECTIVE PLANNING, THE ABILITY TO SHIFT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN FIVE FEET TO THE RIGHT TO SAVE A TREE, BOOM.
I THINK THAT CONVERSATION, I'LL GO A STEP FURTHER AND SAY, THOSE MEETINGS SHOULD HAPPEN ON SITE TO LOOK AT TREES, TO TALK ABOUT TREES.
I THINK THAT CHANGES THE NATURE OF IT.
[02:20:01]
I JUST SAY THAT'S A GREAT VERSION, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.THE OTHER THING THAT'S IN THERE THAT IS WORTH EXPLORING IS THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE LONGER AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE BUYING THAT PROPERTY AND REDEVELOPING IT AND RESELLING IT.
THOSE INCENTIVE STRUCTURES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IT'S WORTH EXPLORING.
I WOULD LOVE TO SIT AND TALK WITH A DEVELOPER ON A PROPERTY ABOUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THEY NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION BEHIND SOME OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AS LIKE, I GOT TO MOVE FAST, I GOT TO GET THIS DONE, I GOT TO SOLVE.
BUT BEING ABLE TO TAKE A BEAT WITH US, THAT'S GREAT.
>> I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT THEY'RE FALLING.
>> THIS IS A GENERIC QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY.
WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE CANOPY SURVEY? DID WE DO IT? ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? DO WE NEED TO DO IT?
I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE NEED TO DO IT.
I THINK THE ESC WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CANOPY SURVEY DONE.
IT IS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO DO IT.
IT REQUIRES FUNDING TO GET IT DONE.
TO GRAB THAT INFORMATION USING SATELLITES IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND TREE SIZE VERSUS JUST CANOPY SIZE.
WE ARE REALLY LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND HOW BEST TO DO IT.
THEY CAN JUST PAY FOR IT AND GET IT DONE.
THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THAT, AND IT'S EASIER TO DO.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE OUR EFFORTS LIKE, LET'S JUST TRY AND MEASURE X NUMBER OF TREES USING VOLUNTEERS, STUDENTS, WHATEVER IT IS, TRY AND BUILD UP A PROGRAM AROUND THAT.
BUT IT'S DECEPTIVELY HARD IN A SMALL CITY AND, TECHNICALLY, TOWN, STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.
SECOND OF ALL, I HAVE A PASSION ABOUT FIGURING OUT INCENTIVES AND GETTING TO PEOPLE.
HERE'S THE TWO GOVERNING THINGS FOR ME, ONE IS YOU GOT TO GET TO PEOPLE EARLY.
THE SOONEST YOU COULD POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT SOMEBODY IS AS SOON AS THEY REGISTER TO TURN ON THE WATER.
IF WE COULD GET MESSAGING TO NEW CITIZENS THROUGH THE WATER DEPARTMENT BEFORE THEY MAKE AN ERROR.
INTENTIONAL OR NOT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE ERRORS.
THAT'S A PART OF IT, BUT THE OTHER GOVERNOR I HAVE IS THIS.
WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, AND YOU GUYS ARE SMART, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS, IT CAN'T BE EXTORTION OF THE CITIZEN, MEANING IT CAN'T BE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FIVE DAYS TO SEE IF WE CAN TALK YOU INTO SEEING OUR WAY.
IT HAS TO BE CONSUMER-FRIENDLY, IT HAS TO PRODUCE A GOOD CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
ULTIMATELY, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, WE HAVE TO SET METRICS FOR WHAT WE THINK IS A SUCCESS RATE.
WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? IT'S NOT 100%, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE KNUCKLEHEADS THAT COME INTO THIS CITY THAT WILL NEVER GET IT.
BUT CAN WE IMPROVE BY 60% OVER WHERE WE ARE TODAY THROUGH SOME INCENTIVES IN CONNECTING PEOPLE? I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR MORE, AND I'LL TRY TO INPUT TOO.
I SAW YOUR TASKING IN HERE THAT I NEED TO ATTEND TWO EFC MEETINGS IN THE YEAR.
I GET IT ON CALENDAR, SO I'M GOOD, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
>> I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK INCENTIVES ARE A WONDERFUL TOOL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SELF-SERVICE, CHOICE-BASED WHERE PEOPLE CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT.
I HOPE I'M RECOGNIZING THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING, BUT GIVING AN INCENTIVE TO LEAVE TREES AS IS ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR A YEAR.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEN OFFERING DISCOUNTS, JUST LIVING WITH A TREE, PEOPLE CAN GROW TO LOVE IT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE TRUTH IS PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE THAT CANOPY IN THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY LIKE TO HAVE IT COOL WHEN THEY'RE SITTING OUTSIDE.
THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU COULD WORK THE INCENTIVES, OR WE COULD USE IT AS AN EXPERIMENT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CAN WE DO THIS? DOES IT MOVE THE NEEDLE ON TREE LOSS? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THOSE ARE REALLY INTERESTING THINGS TO DO.
>> IF WE CAN'T AFFORD THE COST YET OF A COMPLETE CANOPY SURVEY, WE CERTAINLY CAN CONTINUE TO SPEND OUR TREE FUND TO PUT MORE TREES IN ONE OF THE NEWEST THINGS.
HAVE WE CODIFIED, OR DID WE EVEN NEED TO, THE ABILITY TO PUT TREES IN BACKYARDS? IS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK IT HAS.
[02:25:02]
>> YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE AND TELL ME WHERE I SAY IT WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS LOGISTICALLY DIFFICULT.
IT PRESENTS A LIABILITY FOR THE CITY TO-
>> TO PUT THEM IN THE BACKYARD?
>> TO TAKE A BIG THING, LIKE A CRIP THROUGH A SIDE LOT AND PUT IT INTO A BACKYARD, I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
>> WE CAN'T DO AN ADOPT A TREE, LIKE WE DROP IT OFF IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT IN FRONT YARD AND THEY DRAG IT BACK TO THE BACKYARD.
>> THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU WEAR A MASK IF YOU DROP IT OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT.
WHERE WE CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE I KNOW, JUST BY STANDING OUT IN THE FARMERS MARKET WHEN WE'RE HANDING OUT TREES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY SAYING, I ALREADY HAVE THREE TREES IN MY FRONT LOT.
I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE, BUT I WANT MORE IN MY BACK LOT, SO THEY'RE INTERESTED.
IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TOO, IT'S LIKE, YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS LARGE, HEAVY TREE.
>> LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION, TAKE THIS IDEA BACK BECAUSE WE GOT A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN OUR FUND.
MAYBE WE ACTUALLY CONTRACT THAT OUT TO A FOR-PROFIT CONTRACTOR.
WE PURCHASE THE TREE, THEY PURCHASE THE TREE OR WHATEVER, BUT WE PAY THEM.
>> TO MOVE IT AND INSTALL IT, AND TAKE IT OFF OF OUR HANDS AT THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THAT'S A [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE COULD JUST RFP OUT AND GET QUOTES ANNUALLY FOR THE COST OF TREES AND INSTALLATION, AND REIMBURSE THE RESIDENT IF THEY USE OUR PRE-APPROVED CANOPY [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T THINK THIS PRECLUDES THIS FROM BEING AN OPTION, BUT THE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE AROUND THAT IS THAT THE CITY MANAGES THE WATERING OF THE TREES IN THE FRONT.
I WILL TELL YOU, FROM PLANTING TREES MYSELF THAT CAME FROM OVER THERE AND FROM MANAGING NEW YOUNG TREES, THEY DO DIE.
>> IT IS HARD, AND THE CITY DOES PUT THE SELF-WATERS.
>> I HEAR YOU AND I KNOW YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT, BUT MY SENSE OF HUMAN NATURE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE, IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF EVEN GETTING OUR CONTRACTOR GO IN THE BACKYARD AND PUT IT IN, THEY COULD BE COACHED ON, YOU REALLY ACTUALLY HAVE TO WATER IT? THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT YES.
>> ANOTHER PROBLEM IS THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE ALIGNED FOR THREE YEARS.
BUT WHEN IT'S IN THE BACKYARD, WE CAN'T CHECK.
.. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT IS OF CONCERN.
LET'S SAY WE DO A GOOD DEED AND WE GIVE THE CITIZEN A FREE TREE, AND THE CITIZEN'S DOING A GOOD DEED BY TAKING THE FREE TREE, BUT IT DIES IN A YEAR.
NOW THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE FREE TREE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIRS, THEY WATERED IT.
IT HAD THE LIVE OAK BEETLE IN IT, I DON'T KNOW.
>> IT CAN BE A TREE THAT WE DON'T KNOW HAS ISSUES WITH IT.
>> WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT, BUT DON'T WE HAVE ALMOST 200,000 IN THE TREE FUND?
>> WE'VE GOT SOME SEED MONEY TO LAUNCH SOME PILOTS HERE.
>> I THINK THAT EVERYONE ON THE ESC WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THOSE LARGER, MORE MATURE TREES THAT AGAIN HAVE A HIGHER SURVIVABILITY RATE THAN THE YOUNGER ONES INTO BACKYARDS AND PLANTED.
JUST AS A RESIDENT TOO, I ALSO WOULD WANT TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE TREES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD FEEL IT.
>> I CAN'T QUIT. I CAME READY [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO COME TO YOUR MEETINGS.
>> YOU CAN GO THIS WEEK BECAUSE I'M NOT.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING THIS WEEK?
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-48]
>> WE'RE ON 8A. THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-48, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING PHASE 2 AND 3 OF THE HOWELL PARK RESTORATION PROJECT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE ORIGINAL PHASE 1 PROJECT IN HOWELL PARK WAS BID OUT AT $38,745.
WE ASKED WHAT THE CHANGE ORDER WOULD BE TO DO ALL OF IT, PHASES 1, 2, AND 3 AT ONE TIME, SO WE ONLY HAVE TO TEAR THE PARK UP ONE TIME, AND THAT COST CAME OUT TO BE $72,590.
WE CAN TAKE THAT 72,000 OUT OF $200,000 THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR ANNULAR DRAINAGE HEDGE MAINTENANCE, WHICH WOULD LEAVE US $127,410 IN THE FUND THAT WE WOULD PUT OUT FOR A CONTRACT.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU ADOPT RESOLUTION 25-48 SO THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF HOWELL PARK AT ONE TIME.
[02:30:05]
>> ONE OF MY GOALS THAT I POSITED FOR OUR GOAL SETTING WAS THAT WE DO SMALL PROJECTS THAT MAKE AN IMPACT.
I ASKED STEVE WHAT HIS IDEA FOR THAT WOULD BE, AND HE SAID TO DO THE HOWELL PARK, THE WHOLE THING.
>> I THINK SO. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-48.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
THANK YOU. MOVING TO 11, CITY ATTORNEY.
NOTHING TO REPORT TONIGHT, SIR.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
COMMISSIONER GRANT?I KNOW THAT [BACKGROUND] THE RESOLUTION WE PASSED REGARDING THE AGREEMENT WITH ICE IS A HOT TOPIC, BUT I WAS JUST CHECKING WITH COUNCIL.
IF THIS AGREEMENT HAS ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN SECTION 18 OF THAT, IT'S SIMPLY A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, SO EITHER PARTY CAN TERMINATE IT AT ANY TIME.
I JUST WANT THE CITIZENS TO BE AWARE OF THAT SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE'RE NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS CITY, WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH.
>> I HAVE SAID ENOUGH TONIGHT.
>> [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK THAT CHAIN. I'M GOOD TOO.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.