YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. WELCOME, RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS. 
          [CALL TO ORDER ]
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BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING, WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE IF I COULD GET
EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BOLE. BOW OUR HEADS PLEASE. 
          GOD, PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR TROOPS AND FAMILIES DEPLOYED AROUND THE GLOBE. 
          HELP US TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR FREEDOMS DEPEND UPON THESE PATRIOTS. 
          AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE
REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING DATED JUNE 23RD, 2025 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. DONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BOLE, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GRANT,
PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GREEN,
PRESENT. 
          MAYOR FORD, PRESENT. THANK YOU DONNA. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA ITEM ONE
APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
1A IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE COMMISSION PRIORITY SETTING MEETING HELD ON MAY 12TH, 2025. DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED. 
          ITEM 1B APPROVE MINUTES OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP HELD ON JUNE 9TH,
2025. 
          ANY CHANGES ON THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED AND THEN 1 C
APPROVE MINUTES OF THE CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP HELD ON JUNE 16TH, 2025. ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES THERE? MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED. MOVING DIRECTLY TO ITEM 2,
COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS VISITORS. 
          [2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
DONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING TODAY? SIX MAYOR. 
          GOOD EVERYBODY GETS THE MAX, FIVE MINUTES. SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME. 
          MAYOR SEVEN. OKAY. IF WE GO TO EIGHT, FOUR MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. FIRST NAME 84 [INAUDIBLE] 3 87 6TH STREET, ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          WITHIN THE HOUSE I GREW UP IN. AND WHEN I GREW UP,
WE HAD DITCHES, WE HAD DITCHES ALL UP 6TH STREET AND DOWN TOWARD ATLANTIC BEACH SCHOOL,
THAT'S HOW WE DEALT WITH RUNOFF. 
          B UT I DIGRESS BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN SOME STUFF THAT I'D BETTER GO AHEAD AND AND READ REAL
QUICKLY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T TRIGGER ON SITE SITE STORAGE IF YOU'RE KEEPING
YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE UNDER 45%, I CAN'T REALLY ARGUE WITH THAT. OKAY. BUT THAT MAKES A DEFINITIVE ASSUMPTION THAT WE YOU WILL NEVER APPROVE ANYTHING OVER 45%. 
          NOW, MR. GRANT HAS MENTIONED TO SOMEONE THAT THERE'S A HOUSE IN AND THE COUNTRY CLUB THAT
OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTRY CLUB HAS BECOME A CONCRETE JUNGLE OF SOME SORT,
BUT IT'S AT 75%, AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN. 
          IF IF I MAY. I'M NOT SURE I SAY THIS. IT COULD BE. 
          OKAY, SO I'VE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT THERE,
AND I REGRET RESPONDING TO IT. 
          OKAY. YOU SUGGESTED IT MAY BE HIGHER THAN 45% AND THAT THEY WERE, THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN ON SITE ON SITE STORAGE. 
          AND THAT'S OKAY, STRIKE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO STRIKE,
AND I'M SURE YOU WILL. 
          BUT PUT BACK THAT IF YOU GO OVER 45%, THAT'S THE TRIGGER WHERE YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE
OF YOUR OWN EXCESS STORMWATER RUNOFF. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT 45% PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU
ENFORCE THAT IT STAYS AT 45%, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE OLD PAVER TRICK. 
          YOU BUILD THE BIG HOUSE AND YOU SEE THE STACK OF PAPERS IN FRONT,
AND WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE EXPAND FROM WHAT THEY'VE GOT. 
          I, I THINK OF THE WHAT I CALL THE MEGA HOUSE BUILT ON 5TH AND SHERRY AND IT MEASURES,
FROM WHAT I HEAR, 
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RIGHT OUT, RIGHT AT 45%. AND I'M THANKFUL WE CAN SEE THE FULL YARD FOR NOW,
BECAUSE IF THEY START TO ADD STUFF LIKE A PAD FOR THEIR AC UNIT OR LITTLE THINGS IN THEIR LITTLE TINY BACKYARD
THAT WE WILL BE AWARE OF THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WILL TRIGGER ON SITE STORAGE FOR
THAT HOUSE. 
          THAT'S THE WAY WE STOP STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT WILL CREATE US HAVING TO DIG UP OUR STREETS
AGAIN AND CREATE A WHOLE NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SEE,
BECAUSE I HAD THE THE DITCHES WHEN I GREW UP THEN THEY BUILT A STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE BUILDING WE WOULD HAVE NOW. 
          OF COURSE, THEN THE LOT COVERAGE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WAS AT 35% AND NOW IT'S AT 45%. SO OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE RUNOFF. 
          THE PROBLEM ISN'T ONLY FROM 1ST TO 8TH STREET. 
          WE HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND AS WE GROW AND WE ARE GROWING RAPIDLY WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. SO AS BUCKY FULLER SAID I HOPE YOU'RE USING [INAUDIBLE]. 
          EXCUSE ME, ANTICIPATORY DESIGN SCIENCE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE REGULATIONS. 
          SOME OF YOU COMMISSIONERS I KNOW DON'T WANT TO BURDEN HOMEOWNERS ANYMORE. 
          IT'S LIKE THERE'S A PERSON PASSING AROUND A PETITION TO DO WITH OUT A WAY WITH ANY ON SITE
STORAGE. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY SHORTSIGHTED. 
          EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S EXCESS BUILDING,
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RICK CARPER. 
          RICK CARPER, 1810 SELVA GRANDE DRIVE, ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          FORMER PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, IN FACT, I'M THE ONE THAT IMPLEMENTED THE ON SITE STORAGE
RULES IN 2004, IT'S PASSED BY THE COMMISSION IN 2003. PAST COMMISSION PRIORITIES,
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THIS THIS YEAR'S COMMISSION PRIORITY, BUT HAVE INCLUDED RESILIENCE AND REDUCING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          ON SITE STORAGE IS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT BY HANDLING AN ISSUE AT ITS SOURCE. 
          FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THIS IS SEEM TO BE CONFUSED BY SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THE
LAST MEETING, THE 45% IMPERVIOUS LIMIT IS IN OUR ZONING CODE. 
          THE ON SITE STORAGE REQUIREMENT IS IN THE STORMWATER SECTION. 
          THEY ARE ABSOLUTE SEPARATE REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE NOT RELATED. 
          THE ONLY TIME IT REALLY BECOMES OF CONCERN IS WHEN YOU GOT ONE A SMALLER LOT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE CORE CITY IS BUILT TO THE MAXIMUM 45% IMPERVIOUS. 
          THEN IT BECOMES VERY HARD TO HAVE SWALES ALONG THE SIDES FOR STORAGE OR CONVEYANCE. 
          I WANT TO EMPHASIZE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, WHICH WHO SUPERVISED THIS PART OF THE CODE,
THE STORMWATER CODE. 
          WE NEVER DICTATE HOW A BUILDER OR A HOMEOWNER HAS TO STORE THE WATER. 
          WE DON'T SAY HOW, WE JUST SAY HOW MUCH. AND HE'S ALLOWED TO,
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE SWALES, STORAGE AND ROCK BEDS UNDER DRIVEWAYS, IN-GROUND PROPRIETARY SYSTEMS. EVEN IN THE PAST, WE HAVE APPROVED BASICALLY SEPTIC DRAIN FIELD TYPE STORAGE SYSTEMS
UNDERGROUND. 
          SO THERE ARE NO SURFACE SWALES. WE'VE HAD TWO STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATES THAT HAVE
CONCLUDED THAT ONSITE STORAGE IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MEANS OF CONTROLLING STORMWATER RUNOFF AT ITS SOURCE. LAST STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE CONCLUDED
THERE WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN PEAK FLOOD STAGE IF WE DID AWAY WITH THIS. UNLESS THE COMMISSION WANTS TO REVISIT BUILDING STORMWATER PONDS
IN HOWELL PARK OR JOHANNSEN PARK, THERE'S NO MORE POND SPACE AVAILABLE IN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          UNLESS YOU WANT TO PAY EXORBITANT AMOUNTS FOR PROPERTY HERE. 
          SO ADDITIONAL STORAGE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN VAST,
EXPENSIVE VAULTS UNDERNEATH CITY STREETS WITH PUMPING STATIONS ASSIGNED. 
          JAX BEACH HAS DONE THIS. THEY'RE VERY COSTLY ON A PER CUBIC FOOT BASIS. 
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EITHER OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF TRANSFERRING THE COST BURDEN FROM THE
INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY. 
          AS A QUARTER CENTURY TAXPAYER IN ATLANTIC BEACH,
I OBJECT TO PAYING TO RESOLVE STORMWATER ISSUES RESULTED FROM SOME OTHER RESIDENT CREATING ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT THE CITY'S STORMWATER SYSTEMS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE . 
          I STRONGLY RECOMMEND MAKING THIS PROPOSAL A SPECIFIC TASK ITEM FOR THE UPCOMING STORMWATER
MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WHICH IS ALREADY PLANNED. DISCUSS THIS WITH THE MAYOR EARLIER TODAY AS A PARTIAL STEP. 
          RETURNING TO THE ORIGINAL METHOD OF CALCULATING ONSITE STORAGE,
WHERE CREDIT WAS GIVEN FOR EXISTING IMPERVIOUS ON A PARCEL, WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF REDUCING THE REQUIRED STORAGE VOLUME,
ESPECIALLY FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING PROPERTY WHERE THEY SCRAPE THE LOT AND TAKE THE HOUSE OFF IT. THE LAST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS COST. 
          TYPICAL HOUSE BEING BUILT IN CORE CITY ON ONE OF THE NUMBERED STREETS RIGHT NOW BETWEEN
BUYING THE PROPERTY, DEMOLISHING THE PROPERTY, AND BUILDING A NEW HOUSE IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE AND A
HALF TO $2 MILLION, $10,000 FOR A STORMWATER SYSTEM IS 1% OF THE COST. 
          NOBODY IS NOT GOING TO BUILD FOR 1% COST. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CARPER. MITCH REEVES. YOU SPEAKING AGAIN? NOT THAT YOU SHOULDN'T. PARDON ME, I DIDN'T HAVE MY HEARING AID IN . 
          YEAH, I'LL BE REAL QUICK. I JUST HAD A COUPLE IDEAS,
BUT I NOTICED THEY'RE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, SO I I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. THE PROPOSED MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER I SUPPORT AND
LIKE THE NAME OF THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THAT PART OF THE AREA. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT NAME FOR THAT BUILDING. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP GOING BACK DURING MY TERM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND OUT DURING MY TERM IS STILL GREAT. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS AT DEL REY, AND WHEN YOU GO INTO DEL REY,
THEY HAVE A SIDE ROOM WHERE THEY STORE ALL THE CHAIRS AND THE TABLES AND EVERYTHING. 
          THAT ROOM WAS ACTUALLY DONATED. COMPUTERS WERE DONATED FOR THAT WHOLE ROOM FOR SENIOR
CITIZENS AND, AND CITIZENS TO COME IN AND USE THE COMPUTERS. 
          THEY COULD NEVER USE THEM BECAUSE IT WAS A STORAGE ROOM AND IT'S NOT A CLOSED OFF,
IT'S STORAGE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION. I TOOK SOME PICTURES. 
          I WENT OUT TO THE GUILFORD COMMUNITY CENTER TODAY. 
          I TOOK SOME PICTURES OF HOW WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY STORE THE CHAIRS AND THE TABLES AND
THE WAY THEY DID IT, AND ALSO A PICTURE OF THEIR ALREADY CLASSROOM THAT'S ALREADY SET UP FOR 35 PEOPLE. 
          YOU JUST WALK IN THERE, SIT DOWN CHAIRS, EVERYTHING. 
          AND THE OTHER THING AND BY THE WAY, NOT TO EVERYBODY ELSE DID. 
          AND I DID HEAR THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. GRANT AND RING ASKED AND THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ACCESS FOR MEETINGS FOR US. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE ONLY QUESTION I DID NOT HEAR TO ASK,
AND I JUST MAYBE IT'S JUST ASSUMPTION WILL IT HAVE ALSO BE WI-FI READY INSIDE BECAUSE A LOT OF MEETINGS COME THERE AND THEY USE THE WI-FI TO GET
TO THEIR PRESENTATIONS, AND THERE SHOULD BE A LOGIN OR SOMETHING FOR THAT. 
          LIKE WE'VE DONE THE OTHER TRACK. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT. 
          THE OTHER THING IS PROPOSED PARKING CODE CHANGE. 
          THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY QUICKLY ON THAT I 110% SUPPORT THAT CHANGE. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A BUILDING THAT THEY'RE NOT USING THAT THOSE SPACES AFTER
EVERYBODY'S GONE HOME. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND I HEARD AN EXCUSE SOMEBODY SAID,
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE ENFORCING IT. 
          SO MY QUESTION BACK IS HOW ARE YOU ENFORCING NOW VALET PARKING. 
          HOW DO YOU FORCE WHERE THEY'RE PARKING VALET? SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT EXCUSE. AND I IF I UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT AND I COULD BE WRONG AND I
COULD BE HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED, IS IF YOUR CURRENT BUILDING ALLOW DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO USE THAT SPACE FOR ANOTHER LEASING
IN THERE. 
          I BELIEVE YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY, OKAY,
YOU CAN'T USE THIS EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE LEASING FROM ME I HAVE EXTRA SPACES. 
          YOU CAN'T USE IT, BUT I CAN CONTRACT WITH A VALET SERVICE TO COME OVER HERE AND USE IT. 
          JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO I THINK THE EXCUSE IS A POOR EXCUSE TO SAY IS HOW ARE
YOU GOING TO ENFORCE IT? AND THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING IS I JUST REAL QUICKLY,
I KNOW THAT NEPTUNE BEACH IS WORKING TO RAISE THE PRICES OF PARKING. 
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THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. IF THEY RAISE IT,
WE'VE GOT TO GO TO FIVE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST OBVIOUS YOU GOT TO. 
          MY CONCERN IS THIS ONE DID THAT AGREEMENT, WHICH,
BY THE WAY, UNDER UNDER THE PREVIOUS MAYOR BEFORE I WENT IN OFFICE, THAT WAS A HECK OF A DEAL TO CUT WITH THEM, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE NEVER SIGNED THAT DEAL IF
I WAS NEPTUNE BEACH TO GET 75% OF THE INCOME WITHOUT ANY EXPENSES. 
          THAT'S THAT WAS A HUGE WIN WIN. THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR RENEGOTIATION BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU TO REMEMBER,
GO BACK AND READ ALL THAT, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME IT REQUIRED THEM TO PROVIDE THE CITY A MONTHLY REPORT OF ALL INCOME AND EXPENSES. I BET YOU WE HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE MONTHLY
REPORTS, IF WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THEM. AND SECOND OF ALL,
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IF YOU GO AND ASK THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH FOR A FULL YEAR OF PROFITS AND LOSS OF OF PARKING, THEY CANNOT GIVE THAT TO YOU WHAT THE ACTUAL COST HAS BEEN TO
OPERATE THE SYSTEM. 
          SO I JUST I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU LOOK LOOK INTO IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. I THINK THERE'S SOME EXCITING NEW IMPROVEMENTS COMING TO
ATLANTIC BEACH, AND I JUST DON'T RAISE OUR MILLAGE RATE. THANK YOU,
MAYOR REEVES. 
          SARAH BOREN. I'M SARAH BOREN I LIVE IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH. SO I'M HERE FOR ABOUT 3C , AND OUR CITY MANAGER REPORTS. 
          SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND TRENDS AND SOME SOLUTIONS,
POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. 
          SO FIRST HERE'S WHAT I'M SEEING. I'M SEEING THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY EXPERIENCING SUNNY
NUISANCE DAY FLOODING. 
          I'M SEEING OUR STORAGE WATER STORMWATER SYSTEM BEING STRAINED ON SOME DAYS. 
          I AM SEEING IMPERVIOUSNESS INCREASING, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE WENT DOWN TO 45% IN 2019. 
          MOST HOMES ARE BUILDING FULL FOOTPRINT POSSIBLE,
LOT LINE TO LOT LINE. 
          THERE'S NON PERMIT ACTIONS HAPPENING LIKE SEALING A PERMEABLE PAVERS. 
          MORE WATER IS COMING WITH MORE INTENSE AND FREQUENT STORMS,
MORE RAINFALL, AND SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          AND THEN WHAT OFTEN HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP IS WITH LESS ON SITE RETENTION,
IT MEANS LESS ON SITE FILTRATION. 
          RIGHT. SO WHICH IN TURN INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTION THAT GOES INTO OUR WATERWAYS,
THINK OIL FROM YOUR DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO 400FT² SEEMS ARBITRARY AND I'M THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT'S AN IMPERFECT TOOL AND
UNNECESSARY WITH THE 45%. 
          BUT AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID EARLIER, IT ALMOST INCENSED EVERYBODY TO GO TO 45%. 
          RIGHT? BUT THIS WAS A COMPROMISE BY STAFF TO TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF EVEN MORE
IMPERVIOUSNESS. 
          RIGHT. SO I THINK I CAME IN AN EARLIER MEETING AND SAID JONES EDMOND IN 2018 DID A,
YOU KNOW, A PROJECTION OUT IN 2030. AND BY PUTTING IT AT 50% AND WE ADDED 12 ACRES OF
IMPERVIOUSNESS. 
          THAT'S A LOT IN FIVE YEARS, WHEN WE'RE ALREADY EXPERIENCING FLOODING AND MORE WATER IS
COMING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE COST ARGUMENT AND PUTTING IT ON THE INDIVIDUAL,
ESPECIALLY WITH SOLUTIONS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL VERSUS A COMMUNAL
APPROACH, RIGHT? AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS ACTUALLY WAY MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO INACTION. 
          SO, SO LET'S SAY YOU GUYS PASS THIS, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE MORE FLOODING,
ANTICIPATE MORE FLOODING. 
          AND THEN THERE'S NOT A WILLINGNESS TO PAY FOR BIGGER MASS UPGRADES,
AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS AND THE SITUATION GETS WORSE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES,
WE'RE FEELING IT ON THE TREE SIDE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THERE'S THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. SO I'VE,
I TRY NOT I TRY TO COME WITH SOLUTIONS. 
          SO ONE EDUCATION ON ALL POSSIBLE ON SITE SOLUTIONS. 
          AS RICK MENTIONED, THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST MAYBE NOT AWARE OF OR
NOT LOOKING AT. 
          THERE ARE WE CAN THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT TRIGGERS OR INCENTIVES BASED ON ZONE OR PERCENTAGE
OF BUILD OUT. 
          THE CITY OF COCOA HAS DIFFERENT TIERED BASED ON TIERED RATES. 
          SORRY, THAT WAS MY THIRD ONE, TIERED RATES. AND THE FOURTH IS AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE
THIS ONE. 
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GRAB BACK THE SETBACKS, INCREASE THE SIZE OF SETBACKS AND GAIN BACK CONTROL OF THAT
BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE US MORE STORAGE. 
          MAYBE MAYBE SKINNIER OR SMALLER HOUSES. MAYBE THEY HAVE TO BE TALLER. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. 
          AND THEN SO PLEASE WAIT TO GET MORE DATA FROM THE FORTHCOMING MASTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT
PLAN BEFORE REMOVING THE 400 SQUARE FOOT TRIGGER. 
          THE STAFF WANTS TO WAIT. AND PLEASE CHOOSE COMMUNITY OVER INDIVIDUAL WANTS. 
          AND THEN I HAVE TWO KIND OF JUST SEPARATE COMMENTS. 
          NOW I'M PUTTING MY ESC CHAIR HAT ON. I'M CURIOUS WHY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD GOT
ITS RECOMMENDATIONS ADDRESSED, LIKE WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO. AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A YEAR AND A HALF FOR OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE HEARD BY CHAPTER 23. 
          AND THEN AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS DISCUSSED BUT WEREN'T
LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND I'M THE FIRST TO SAY, AS A CHAIR, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MEET THE DEADLINES. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE STUFF BEFOREHAND. 
          THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU, MISS BORDEN. NANCY STOTTS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT PRONUNCIATION, DONNA. 
          YOU WANT TO WIN ME OVER? DOCTOR NANCY STOTTS,
MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD. 
          FIRST, THANK YOU TO MR. CARPER, WHO IS AN ENGINEER. 
          AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE BESIDES RICK
MAYBE IN THIS ROOM IS AN ENGINEER. 
          SO OUR CITY ENGINEER, MR. SWANN, DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          RICK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK THIS IS A TIME THAT WE DO NEED TO LISTEN TO
EXPERTS. 
          WE MAY HAVE GUT FEELINGS ABOUT THINGS. WE MAY WANT TO SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS,
BUT I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED TO LISTEN TO EXPERTS. 
          AND I WOULD PUT SARAH IN THAT IN THAT CATEGORY AS WELL. 
          SO YOU KNOW, THE SAD NEWS IS THAT ONSITE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS BECOMING ACTUALLY MORE
AND MORE COMMON ESPECIALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION AREAS THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY. AND FLORIDA SHOULD BE THE MOST CONCERNED OF ALL THE STATES,
BUT ODDLY ISN'T. 
          BUT EVEN IN FLORIDA, THERE ARE MANY CITIES THAT HAVE VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. 
          WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE 400 SQUARE FOOT TRIGGER IS THERE
IS NO OTHER TRIGGER, AND I THINK IT WAS ALREADY STATED VERY ELOQUENTLY,
THIS HAS TO BE PART OF OUR WHOLE PICTURE WHERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND 45% IS YOUR MAXIMUM. 
          IF YOU GO BEYOND THAT IN ANY WAY, YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE ON SITE STORAGE,
WHICH THERE ARE MANY LOVELY OPTIONS FOR ON SITE STORAGE BY THE WAY, YOU DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SWALE. AND I PEOPLE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND WE NEED TO TRY TO ENFORCE IT. AND WAYS OF ENFORCING IT ARE TO TELL FOLKS,
HEY, WHEN YOU GO TO SELL, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS. AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE 45% YOU DON'T HAVE ONSITE STORAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE ALL THOSE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. 
          THAT NUMBER, 45% WAS DETERMINED AFTER MUCH HEADACHE AND HEARTACHE. 
          SO I HESITATE TO COMMENT NEGATIVELY ON IT, BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MUCH LOWER THAT ARE AT 35%. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, JAX BEACH RESIDENTIAL IS 35%, IN OCEAN WALK,
IT'S 35%. 
          AND IN FACT, IN SPEAKING WITH MAYOR SHAUGHNESSY,
BACK WHEN OUR CITY PLAN WAS MADE FOR DRAINAGE, IT WAS ASSUMED THERE WOULD BE ABOUT A 35% IMPERMEABLE RATE,
BECAUSE IN THOSE DAYS WHEN OUR CITY WAS FORMED, THAT WAS A CORRECT ASSUMPTION. ASSUMPTION. ALSO,
LATE LAST YEAR, I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND THE NOT THIS COMMISSION, BUT LAST YEAR'S COMMISSION MADE A PROMISE THAT
YOU WOULD WAIT FOR THE RESULTS OF THE 2025 MASTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES TO OUR POLICY. AND I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD HONOR THAT PROMISE. 
          AND, AND AS FAR AS HAVING MORE THAN SOME OTHER AREAS,
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE CURVE. 
          ARE WE AN OUTLIER? YEAH WE ARE. ATLANTIC BEACH IS AN OUTLIER IN MANY WAYS. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE MORE TREES. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THAT A LOT OF CITIES DON'T. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S WHAT MAKES US GREAT. SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO TO FIGHT,
TO PUT US AHEAD OF THE CURVE. 
          IN TERMS OF BURDENING THE HOMEOWNER ON THIS. AGAIN,
SOMEONE ALREADY MENTIONED I HAD TO FLATTEN MY HOUSE. 
          IT'S GONE NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU KNOW THIS,
BUT I COULDN'T GET A HOMEOWNER INSURANCE COMPANY TO INSURE MY PROPERTY ANYMORE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE A FOUNDATION, IT WAS BUILT IN 1920 SOMETHING. 
          SO THE COST OF ON SITE STORAGE IS IN THE 5 TO $10,000 RANGE. 
          BEAUTIFUL TYPES OF OF THAT. THE COST TO BUILD,
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $400 AND $750 PER SQUARE FOOT. 
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SO THAT'S 10 FEET, THE EQUIVALENT OF TEN FEET OF CONSTRUCTION,
10 OR 15FT. 
          SO THIS IS SUCH A MINOR THING. SO COST IS A STRAW MAN. 
          THERE ARE MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN TERMS OF WORRYING ABOUT BUILDERS NOT BEING ABLE TO COME
TO ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T WALK 20FT WITHOUT SEEING A HOME BEING BUILT. 
          SO AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING TO FIND A BUILDER,
I HAD NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. 
          I HAD MANY, MANY BUILDERS ANXIOUS TO HELP ME BUILD A HOUSE,
SO I THINK THAT IS ALSO A STRAW MAN FRANKLY. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME POSITIVES. NOT JUST STICKS,
BUT CARROTS. 
          HOW ABOUT INCENTIVIZING HOMEOWNERS WHO GO BELOW THE 45%? AND ON A SIDELINE RELATED ISSUE OF THE WATER REQUEST FROM NEPTUNE BEACH I KNOW THIS ISN'T
ON THE AGENDA, BUT JUST A COMMENT. YOU KNOW, SOME I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT TRYING TO HELP OUR
NEIGHBOR CITY. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS OF NEPTUNE BEACH. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO HELP TRY BRIDGE OR OTHER DEVELOPERS GET OUT OF THEIR BAD INVESTMENT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHY WE SHOULD GIVE WATER IF WE'RE REALLY HELPING OUR NEIGHBORS,
IF THAT'S WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS WANT, I'M ALL FOR IT. BUT LET'S HAVE A COMBINED TOWN HALL AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU DOCTOR. CAROLYN SISSER. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOOD EVENING, EARLY EVENING ALL. 
          CAROLYN, SISSER, MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD. I LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR ABOUT 48 YEARS. 
          ALSO AN ATTORNEY. SO I'M GOING TO BE MENTIONING A LEGAL POINT AND THEN ANOTHER POINT AS A
CITIZEN. 
          FIRST OF ALL, LEGAL PROCEDURAL POINT. MY READING OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY
MANAGER. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT IN SHOCK TO REMOVE ALL ON SITE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR NON
COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AT MOST A FIRST READING THIS EVENING,
AND A LOT MORE PUBLICITY BEING GIVEN TO THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH WHO REALLY WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS FOR THE EXCELLENT
REASONS MENTIONED BY MY BY MR. CARPER, AS WELL AS BY MY NEIGHBOR NANCY STOTTS. 
          AND FURTHERMORE, THIS PROPOSED REGULATION SHOULD BE TABLED UNTIL THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED,
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE SUCH A CHANGE FROM WHAT MR. CARPER DESCRIBED AS AS AN ENGINEER AND AS A FORMER PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR
DESCRIBED AS REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE IN EFFECT AFTER A LOT OF STUDY,
AND I CAN'T SAY IT ANY BETTER ON THE MERITS THAN MR. CARPER DID. AND ALSO MY NEIGHBOR DR. STOTTS DID. 
          BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SIMPLY SAY I AM AS A INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN AGAINST ELIMINATING TOTALLY
ELIMINATING ANY REQUIREMENT FOR ON SITE STORAGE UNTIL THERE THE STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          I THINK IT INVITES OVERBUILDING. AND ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE BIT OF WALKING ALONG BEACH
AVENUE AND A FEW STREETS FURTHER WEST THAN BEACH AVENUE. AND OVERBUILDING IS THE RULE. 
          CUTTING DOWN TREES IS THE RULE. THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING TO ABSORB WATER. 
          IT'S IT'S ONLY SAND. SO TO ELIMINATE THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOME OWNERS IS TO INVITE
OVERBUILDING AND FLOODING. WE SHOULD, AS IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE BY OUR OTHER MY PREDECESSORS,
THERE IS PLENTY OF OF EVIDENCE IN OTHER TOWNS AS TO HOW THE PROBLEM OF MAINTAINING AVOIDING OF FLOODING HAS BEEN
HANDLED. 
          WE KNOW THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS ONLY HAPPENING EVEN MORE FEROCIOUSLY,
AND WE NEED TO BE TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTION TO PROTECT OUR CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MRS. SISSER. BRINKLEY HARRELL. 
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GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF. 
          I AM BACK FROM MY SABBATICAL TO GERMANY. I STAYED UP VERY LATE OR VERY EARLY IN THE
MORNINGS TO WATCH ALL WHILE I WAS AWAY. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE FOR ME. SO YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ABOUT
THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT STORM WATER AND SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CONFUSE THIS ABOUT THE 45% LOT COVERAGE THING. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 45% LOT COVERAGE. 
          OKAY. THIS IS REALLY A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE FOR BETWEEN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS. 
          THE HAVES ARE THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT AT 45%,
SO NOTHING AFFECTS THEM. 
          BUT PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE MOVED HERE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SINCE THIS ORDINANCE WAS
ENACTED, THEY ARE GREATLY AFFECTED BY IT. THEY WANT TO IMPROVE MOST OF THESE OLDER PROPERTIES
RATHER THAN KNOCKING THEM DOWN AND BUILDING SOMETHING NEW. 
          THEY WANT TO IMPROVE IT, IMPROVE THE DRIVEWAY,
MAYBE PUT IN A POOL. 
          OKAY, BUT THEY'RE STILL LIMITED TO THE 45%. BUT THIS HAS A A VERY,
BAD EFFECT ON THEM, AN ONEROUS EFFECT ON THEM IF THEY ADD A SINGLE ROOM THAT TOTALS 400FT²,
OR A DECK, OR A PATIO OR A POOL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE THE HAVE NOTS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BUILD
THEIRS OUT TO THAT POINT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, THIS SHOULDN'T BE CONFUSED WITH THE 45% LOT COVERAGE THING. 
          YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE WILL SAY ATLANTIC BEACH IS THE ONLY KNOWN MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS SUCH
ON SITE WATER RETENTION FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. OKAY. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE 2 OR 3 OTHER ONES OUT
OF 400 CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 
          THAT'S A THAT'S I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT PERCENTAGE CALCULATES. 
          AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S TWO CLASSES OF PEOPLE,
THOSE THAT ALREADY WERE BUILT OUT AT 45% AND THOSE THAT WERE NOT. 
          AND THIS CAUSES EXTREME COST FOR ANYONE TRYING TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE
TO HAVE SURVEYS, ENGINEERING, PERMITTING, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          OH, AND GOD FORBID IF THERE'S A TREE IN THE AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR SWALE OR
WHATNOT, THAT THAT CAUSES A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER ISSUES FOR THEM. 
          SO ON THE ONE END, THERE ARE THOSE THAT WANT TO ECHO SHAME OR ECHO GUILT ANY DISSENTING
OPINION ON THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, IN 1972, WHEN MY FAMILY MOVED HERE,
THERE WERE ONLY 6,000 RESIDENTS IN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD INTERPOLATE THAT ATLANTIC BEACH WAS ONLY HALFWAY BUILT OUT SINCE
WE NOW HAVE OVER 13,000 PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. BUT OLD ATLANTIC BEACH REALLY HAS NOT CHANGED FROM AHERN TO 8TH STREET,
OR 10TH OR EVEN AHERN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 16TH AND FROM THE OCEANFRONT TO SEMINOLE ROAD AND SHERRY DRIVE,
MOST OF THOSE AREAS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THEN WE'LL WE'LL CALL IT 90% BUILT OUT. 
          WELL, THE ISSUE IS THAT OR OR AN ASPECT OF POTENTIAL FLOODING IS THAT BEACH AVENUE
AVERAGES 14FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL. 
          WHEREAS ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO SHERRY DRIVE OR SEMINOLE ROAD,
IT'S IT'S ABOUT HALF OF THAT. 
          SO IT WAS DESIGNED FOR EVERYTHING TO FLOW THAT WAY INTO SHERMAN CREEK. 
          YEAH, I THINK AT SHERMAN CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HOWELL PARK AND BEHIND ATLANTIC BEACH
ELEMENTARY. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN FROM 1960,
WHEN ROYAL PALM AND SEVERAL MARINA WERE REDEVELOPED, A DEVELOPMENT BEGAN. THERE'S NEVER REALLY BEEN ANY FLOODING IN THOSE AREAS,
MAYBE A COUPLE OF LITTLE LOCALIZED AREAS. 
          BUT BY AND LARGE, THERE'S NO FLOODING IN ROYAL PALMS AND THERE'S NO FLOODING IN SILVER
MARINA. 
          ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF WATER AREAS WHERE ALL THAT WATER DRAINS TO. 
          NOW, AGAIN, SPEAKING BACK TO OLD ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          THERE'S ALMOST THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO SEWER SEWER DRAINS,
SEWER GRATES FROM BEACH AVENUE TO OCEAN BOULEVARD TO EAST COAST. 
          THE FIRST ONES ARE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE NUMBERED STREETS BETWEEN EAST COAST AND SHERRY
DRIVE. 
          AND THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT PUBLIC WORKS DID I'M GUESSING ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. BUT THE WATER STILL IS GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREETS AND IT'S NOT
COMING OUT OF PEOPLE'S YARDS. 
          IT'S COMING OFF THE STREETS, AND THEN IT HITS THOSE DRAINS,
AND THEN IT GOES ON INTO, OH, THIS CREEK RIGHT OVER HERE. THIS CREEK RIGHT HERE BEHIND US. 
          OKAY. SO THE BIGGEST QUESTION IN MY LAST FEW SECONDS IS,
THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO ASK IS WHAT HAS THIS REGULATION ACTUALLY ACHIEVED? HOW MANY PROPERTIES ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN
AFFECTED BY HAVING TO PUT IN THIS ON SITE RETENTION AND AND OUT OF 8,000 OR 8,500 UTILITY ACCOUNTS IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
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HOW MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE ON SITE RETENTION? EVEN IF IT'S 100, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY KIND OF A DIFFERENCE. 
          IT'S THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. SUZANNE BARKER. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. SUZANNE BARKER AND I MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD. 
          I MUST SAY I, I WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE LAST AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING,
BUT WHEN I DID SEE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ON SITE STORAGE, I WAS SHOCKED. THE, AND IF YOU WEREN'T HERE,
YOU REALLY NEED TO GO AND LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE WHAT WAS SAID IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE TO ME. 
          IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE WE WENT THROUGH AND APPROVED THE ON SITE STORM STORAGE REGULATION. THAT WAS DEBATED THEN. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE,
BUT THEN IT WAS PASSED. 
          EVERYBODY AGREED ON IT. AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE AGREED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY
LEGISLATION THAT DEALS WITH STORMWATER IN ANY WAY UNTIL THERE IS A MASTER STORM NEW MASTER STORMWATER PLAN. 
          THAT SEEMED TO HAVE ALL GONE YOU KNOW PEOPLE FORGOT THAT LAST WEEK BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN
BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WANTED TO LOOK INTO
ON SITE STORMWATER STORAGE, BUT THAT THEY HAD A DISCUSSION AND THEN THEY DECIDED THAT THIS ISN'T NEEDED
ANYMORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I LIKE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TELL ME SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CITIZENS JUST GOING, WELL,
YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOMEONE AND THEY WANTED TO PUT THIS ON. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU DO ADD IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF 400FT²,
THAT'S THE SIZE OF A A TWO CAR GARAGE OR A NICE LIVING ROOM,
THAT'S PRETTY BIG. 
          AND SO IF THAT TRIGGER IS TAKEN AWAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER TRIGGER. 
          AS AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS. 
          AND YOU GUYS, YOU'RE YOU'RE INTO RESILIENCY. YOU'RE ALL ABOUT FORWARD THINKING AND
SUSTAINABILITY FOR OUR OUR SEA AND CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING FOR OUR CITY. 
          SO ON SITE STORMWATER STORAGE IS ALSO IN MANY OTHER CITIES. 
          FOR INSTANCE LARGO, BRADENTON BEACH, SAINT AUGUSTINE,
NEW SMYRNA BEACH, POMPANO BEACH, EDGEWATER, AND TAMPA. AS WELL AS [INAUDIBLE]. 
          AND SO AND I CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION TO YOU,
YOU KNOW, I'LL SEND IT TO EVERYONE IN AN EMAIL SO YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT ALONE HERE. THE OTHER THING WAS THAT IT WAS THE URGENCY OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THIS HAS TO HAPPEN NOW, THAT THIS HAS TO BE FORMULATED INTO
LEGISLATION NOW, AND WHERE IS THE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS? THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE
CHANGING LEGISLATION LIKE THAT, TO HAVE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS,
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, RUSH TO, OKAY, LET'S GET THIS THROUGH. AND WE'RE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON AND WITHOUT
GETTING ENGINEERS OR HAVING SOME KIND OF STUDY DONE TO ALL OF A SUDDEN DO AWAY WITH ONSITE STORMWATER STORAGE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO
ME. 
          AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRIGGER. AND I GUESS THE AUTOMATIC TRIGGER WILL BE 45% IF YOU
DON'T PUT A TRIGGER ON THAT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T BUILD OVER 45% UNLESS YOU GET A VARIANCE,
AND THEN YOU DO HAVE TO RETAIN THE STORMWATER. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS AS BIG AN INCONVENIENCE AS
WHAT HAS BEEN 
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STATED THE COST WOULD BE IF THAT IS APPROACHED BY INDIVIDUALS NOT RETAINING. 
          IT'S LIKE A TEENAGER, THEY WANT EVERYTHING, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR IT. 
          AND I, I SEE IT THE SAME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW,
YOU WANT A POOL. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO POOL. WELL, THEN YOU CAN,
YOU KNOW STORE THE OVERFLOW. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALBERT KERBER. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. ALBERT KERBER ON 1ST STREET,
ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3C AND SOME OF THIS ON SITE RETENTION. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP,
I THINK, WITH THE CODE IS LOW HANGING FRUIT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN BUILD A STORAGE BUILDING 150FT²,
TWO INCHES OFF THE GROUND, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. 
          OKAY. SO WATER FLOWS UNDER, IT'S SUPPOSED TO PERCOLATE IN. 
          IF SOMEONE BUILDS, IF SOMEONE BUILDS OFF GRADE AND THE WATER CAN FLOW UNDER THE HOUSE,
THEY'RE STILL NOT GIVEN ANY SORT OF CREDIT FOR PERVIOUS SURFACE. EVEN THOUGH THE WATER CAN FLOW UNDER AND PERCOLATE. 
          THAT'S WRONG. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE PAVERS THAT STORAGE VAULT,
JUST LIKE OVER HERE. 
          HAVEN'T SEEN THAT FILL UP YET. AND I DRIVE BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT EVERY NOW AND THEN. 
          THAT WAS EXCELLENT DEMONSTRATION. HATS OFF TO THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THAT IN. 
          THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE CODE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ON SITE RETENTION. 
          JAX BEACH I CALLED THEIR BUILDING DEPARTMENT,
THEY'RE AT 35%. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THAT WELL OVER 10 YEARS, HASN'T DONE ANYTHING TO STOP THE FLOODING. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEAVY RAINS WE HAD LAST YEAR,
THIS TIME LAST YEAR, THERE WAS FLOODING OVER THE MEDIANS AND NORTH 3RD STREET, JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN DOING SINCE 1970S. SO THAT HAS HAD NO IMPACT BY EVEN GOING DOWN TO
35%. 
          I DO THINK IT WAS IN THE VARIOUS INTENT TO STOP THE BUILDING DOWN THERE,
AND TRIED TO LIMIT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS BY JUMPING DOWN TO 35%. 
          THEY TOLD ME THEY HAD SUBSTANDARD SIZED LOTS,
BUT IT HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THAT THAT DROP. 
          NEPTUNE BEACH IS STILL AT 50%. THEY HAD HORRIBLE FLOODING BACK IN THE 1970S. 
          I KNOW I WAS OVER THERE HELPING AS VOLUNTEER FIREMEN TRY TO PUMP OUT THE STREETS WITH THE
FIRE ENGINE. 
          THAT WAS A JOKE. WE PUT A SIDEWALK, WHAT, SIX,
EIGHT FEET WIDE FROM SEMINOLE BEACH ALL THE WAY TO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD WITHOUT ANY IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN WATER. 
          CITY DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, THEY JUST DID IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN MORE SIDEWALKS
DOWN PLAZA AND CREATING MORE PARKING AREAS. 
          HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE PERVIOUS SURFACE INSTEAD OF LIKE THE IMPERVIOUS STRIP THAT WE HAVE
THROUGH THE CITY. 
          BUT THE CITY NEEDS TO ABIDE BY EVERYTHING THEY MAKE THE RESIDENTS DO SHOULD HAVE BEEN
PERVIOUS CONCRETE IF WE'RE THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT. 
          THIS PARKING LOT IN BACK OF US OVER HERE COULD HAVE UNDERGROUND STORAGE,
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE AT THE END OF BEACH BOULEVARD. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT IF WE WANT TO GO FOR THE 100 YEAR FLOOD. 
          IT COULD BE PUT ON PILLOWS, JUST LIKE OVER THERE AT FIREHOUSE SUBS THERE AT LEMON STREET
AND 3RD. 
          THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT IS WATER RETENTION FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          WE COULD DO THE SAME THING HERE IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET A
GRANT FOR IT. LIKE I SAID, IF WE BUILD OFF RAIN AND ENCOURAGE AS WE GAVE A CREDIT FOR BUILDING OFF GRADE OR WE DIDN'T
I HAVE TO SAY THIS DOCK SOMEBODY FOR PERVIOUS SURFACE BY BUILDING OFF THE ALLOW THE WATER FLOW
UNDERNEATH, IT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUILD UP. THERE'S A MAN ON THE NEWS LAST SPRING IN SAINT
AUGUSTINE, HE HAD TO RAISE HIS HOUSE BECAUSE HE'S WORRIED ABOUT FLOODING OUT AGAIN. 
          AND THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE A CREDIT FOR IT BUT HE MISSED THE CREDIT. 
          AND HE WAS SAYING, I CAN'T GET THE CREDIT, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF IT. 
          SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING SITUATION. SKIP TOPICS,
ATLANTIC BEACH UTILITIES, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING WATER. 
          IF WE CAN SELL WATER TO ANY ENTITY, WHETHER IT BE HANNA PARK,
NORTH OF DUTTON ISLAND ROAD OR ACROSS THE ROAD OVER HERE TO NEPTUNE BEACH, AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH,
OUR WATER PRESSURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OUR WATER. 
          WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT HAS LICENSES FOR IN THE CITY,
AND WHEN THEY LICENSED NOCATEE, I REMEMBER IT BEING IN THE PAPER, BUT BOY, I CAN'T FIND IT IN ANY SEARCHES. 
          THEY HAD TWO WELLS LICENSED FOR 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. 
          THAT WAS THAT WAS A REAL HIT. I HOPE THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY ALLOW THEM TO
TAKE OUT PER DAY. 
          I GUESS THAT'S FOR THE GOLF COURSES. SO IF WE CAN GENERATE A PROFIT BY EXTENDING SERVICE
TO THEM, 
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AND IT'S ONLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FIRE SERVICE,
AND EVEN IF IT WAS FOR A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING OTHERWISE, BIG DEAL. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROFIT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GERBER. AMY PALMER. 
          HI, GREETINGS I'M AMY PALMER, AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ESC FOR Y'ALL TONIGHT. 
          WE WELCOMED OUR THREE NEW MEMBERS THIS MONTH. 
          AMY FRANQUI, CHRISTINA KELCOURSE , AND JEANNIE GRACY. 
          AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ATTEND OUR TWO MEETINGS. 
          WE HAVE A NEW MEETING SCHEDULE, JUST SO YOU KNOW. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR REGULAR ESC MEETING THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH IN
THESE CHAMBERS AT 6:00. 
          WE WILL HAVE OUR TREE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AS IT HAS BEEN THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE
MONTH, BUT WE WILL HAVE THE ENTIRE ESC MEET AT THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN
ADDRESS THE TREE PRIORITIES, WHICH WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS BODY. 
          AND TO THAT END, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE FINAL RED LINE FOR RECOMMENDED UPDATES
FOR CHAPTER 23. 
          INCENTIVES TO PRESERVE TREES, SUCH AS A PILOT GRANT PROGRAM TO HELP CARE FOR HERITAGE
TREES, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, ARE OUR OLDEST AND LARGEST AND MOST SPECIAL TREES. 
          AND ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE BIANNUAL BI ANNUAL TREE REPORT FOR THE
COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR. PALMER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER SPEAKERS WE WILL CLOSE
COURTESY OF THE FLOOR 
          [3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS ]
AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ITEM 3A IS TO ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR. 
          SO THIS IS THE SAME CALENDAR YOU SAW LAST MEETING. 
          I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN PUBLIC
MEETING ON JUNE 20TH, WHAT IS THAT FIFTH? YES. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL THOSE WHO CAN TO COME AND ATTEND. 
          WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE OR I CAN'T MOVE,
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THAT CALENDAR? SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT? YES. THANK YOU. 
          YOU HAVE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ITEM 3 B IS THE PROPOSED MARTIAL ARTS COMMUNITY
NAMING CENTER. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND RAN IT THROUGH. THE CITY HAS A FACILITIES NAMING POLICY. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING IN THAT POLICY. 
          BUT PART OF THAT PART OF THAT POLICY HAS FACILITY NAMES GO TO ARC FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION
TO THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THIS WILL GO TO THE NEXT ARC MEETING, AND THEN WE WILL BRING THE COMMISSION WITH A
RESOLUTION. 
          THAT WHATEVER THE NEXT MEETING. COMMISSION MEETING IS AFTER THE MEETING. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT AS TO WHY YOU ARE NOT SEEING A RESOLUTION
TONIGHT ON THAT. 
          ITEM 3C SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MADE THE STATEMENT THIS WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          THIS IS NOT MY RECOMMENDATION, ACTUALLY. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD. 
          WHEN I PRESENTED THE MEMO TO THE COMMISSION LAST COMMISSION MEETING AND THE COMMISSION
ASKED THAT STAFF DRAFT UP LANGUAGE. 
          THIS IS NOT A BILL AT THIS POINT ANYWAYS. BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT WOULD
BE UNDERLINED AND STRIKETHROUGH, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE 400 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD AND WOULD ESSENTIALLY
MEAN THAT YOU COULD BUILD UP TO 45% WITHOUT PROVIDING ON SITE STORAGE. IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION
THAT WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET AN UPDATE TO OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE TWEAKED,
WE BASICALLY LIVE IN THREE DRAINAGE BASINS. 
          WE HAVE THE DRAINAGE BASIN WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD. 
          A LARGE PART OF THAT IS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW,
THIS, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THAT PART OF IT'S PROBABLY A LARGELY AN OPEN BASIN IN WHICH ALL OF THAT WATER DIRECTLY FLOWS INTO THE INTERCOASTAL. 
          SO THAT WILL MOSTLY BE A FUNCTION OF MAINTAINING OUR DITCHES,
OUR CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS, TO OUTFLOW. 
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WE HAVE THE HOPKINS CREEK DRAINAGE BASIN, WHICH IS ROYAL PALMS ,
KAVALA AND AQUATIC GARDENS. 
          NOW, THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT ROYAL PALMS DOESN'T FLOOD,
BUT ROYAL PALMS , ALL THAT WATER, COLLECTS AND GOES INTO HOPKINS CREEK, WHICH THEN FLOODS KAVALA AND BRODICK GARDENS. 
          ROYAL PALMS , I LIVE THERE, I RENT A HOME THERE. 
          MANY OF THE HOMES THERE ARE 1,200 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. 
          THEY'RE ON RELATIVELY LARGE LOTS. IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THOSE LOTS BECOME
ATTRACTIVE. 
          THEY ARE CURB AND GUTTER OR LARGE LOTS. THEY ARE RELATIVELY CHEAP WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING IT
TO THE PUBLIC STREETS. 
          IF THOSE, MY SUSPICION IS THAT THOSE WERE LARGELY BUILT OUT TO 45%,
THAT OUR PROBLEMS AT HOPKINS CREEK WOULD BE MUCH GREATER. 
          WE ARE SPENDING $3 MILLION ON UPGRADING THE HOPKINS CREEK HOPKINS CREEK DRAINAGE,
BUT THAT $3 MILLION WILL ELIMINATE OUR MODERATE RAIN SITUATION WHEN WE HAVE A KING TIDE AND SUSTAINED DURATION
RAINS IT'S GOING TO FLOOD THERE. 
          EVEN WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, EVEN WITH THE $3 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO SPEND I HIGHLY
BELIEVE THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO FLOOD THERE. 
          THE OTHER DRAINAGE BASIN WE HAVE IS THE WHAT I REFER TO AS THE OLD ATLANTIC BEACH,
WHICH IS ROYAL PALMS THIS WAY TO THE OCEAN AND THEN GOING NORTH. ALL OF THAT WATER FLOWS THROUGH SHERMAN CREEK. 
          NOW, WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT BEACH AVENUE, THAT WATER THERE UP HIGH AND THEY WON'T FLOOD,
BUT THEIR RUNOFF RUNS DOWNHILL UNTIL IT HITS SHERMAN CREEK. SHERMAN CREEK OUTFLOWS ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE ISLAND. 
          IT'S A LONG WAYS TO GO, AND THERE'S A VERY SMALL DROP. 
          SO THE WATER FLOWS SLOWLY, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO STORE THE WATER. 
          I THINK THERE ARE ARGUMENTS TO BE MADE IN TERMS OF CHANGES TO OUR CURRENT STORMWATER
SYSTEM. 
          I THINK RICK CARPER MADE A SUGGESTION OF GIVING CREDIT FOR CURRENT IMPERVIOUS. 
          THERE WAS THAT IDEA. THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA THAT ATLANTIC BEACH WAS BUILT OUT ORIGINALLY AT
35% SO YOU COULD GO TO 35% AND NOT PAY OR NOT PROVIDE ON SITE STORAGE IF YOU GO OVER 35%,
SO THEN YOU PROVIDE ON SITE STORAGE FOR THE DELTA. 
          BUT EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS FUNDAMENTALLY,
WHAT THE COMMISSION IS DECIDING, IN MY VIEW, IS WHO PAYS? IS IT THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S WHO ARGUABLY IS CREATING THE
IMPACT, OR IS IT THE TAXPAYER? THAT'S A VALUE DECISION THAT THE COMMISSION IS IN POSITION TO MAKE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD MAKE THAT VALUE DECISION UNTIL THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
COSTS ARE. 
          AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GET AN UPDATE TO THE STORMWATER MASTER. 
          AND THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER IN OTHER WORDS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS,
THE EFFECT THAT IT HAS. 
          I KNOW IT'S DUE OUT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A DATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS. 
          SO WE HAVE A THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE A GRANT. 
          SO THE GRANT IS UP TO A $400,000 TOTAL PROJECT. 
          WE BUDGETED $200,000 TO UPDATE OUR STORMWATER. 
          SO WE'VE PURSUED THE GRANT. WE SHOULD GET AN ANSWER ON THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO BASED
OFF WHAT WELL, WE CAN WRITE INTO THAT SPECIFICALLY. WE CAN WRITE IN SPECIFICALLY THE TYPES OF
QUESTIONS. 
          MY POINT IS, IF WE GET THAT GRANT, INSTEAD OF HAVING A $200,000 STORMWATER MASTER PLAN,
WE WOULD HAVE A $400,000, WHICH WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A LOT OF DETAILED TYPE IN DEPTH QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RING. DO WE DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT STORMWATER
MANAGEMENT PLAN? SO THE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY WE WILL GET AN ANSWER IN THE
NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          SO WE HAVE NOT PUT IT OUT FOR BID YET. SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT OUT FOR A BID. 
          IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T GET AN ANSWER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS,
I'M GOING TO DIRECT STEVE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT OUT FOR BID FOR THE $200,000 AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. 
          BILL, YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME THAT WE WILL LIKELY AT LEAST A YEAR AWAY FROM SEEING THE
RESULTS OF OF WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. RIGHT? AND WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. BUT BEFORE THE STORMWATER PLAN IS COMPLETED AND WE SEE THE RESULTS OF AT LEAST
A YEAR, GIVE OR TAKE. WHEN WAS THE LAST ONE DONE? DIDN'T WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE DONE? 
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IN 2018. AND WHAT DID WE DO WITH THAT? IT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT EDUCATED THE PROCESS THAT
TOOK PLACE IN 2019. SO IT JUST GAVE US MORE INFORMATION. 
          BUT WHAT ACTIONS DO WE TAKE WITH IT? SO IT ENDED UP IN CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE
CIP RIGHT NOW. 
          WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN DONE? I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHICH ONES I HAVEN'T DONE,
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. SO RIGHT NOW, THE HOPKINS CREEK ONE IS ONE THAT IS IN THE CIP,
THAT IS A GRANT OF MOST OF OUR STORMWATER. 
          AS YOU KNOW, OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE UTILITY ONLY PAYS FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          IT DOESN'T GENERATE ENOUGH INCOME TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO MOST OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS PAID THROUGH A MATCH OF GRANT FUNDING. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE INCREASED? DUE TO THE STORMWATER THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE STORMWATER UTILITY. 
          YES, THAT THAT WAS WE WERE NOT COVERING OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS. 
          OKAY. SO WE RAISED THAT. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WITH CLEANING UP THE COST? YEAH. TO THE CIP FOR EACH YEAR, WE ADJUSTED THE STORMWATER UTILITY RATE BY THE CIP AS
THOUGH IT WAS APPLIED EACH YEAR TO MAKE IT CURRENT. THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE. 
          MR. [INAUDIBLE] HERE MENTIONED DITCHES IN THE 1960S. 
          WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE? THEY'RE STILL THERE. THEY'RE A LARGE PART. 
          MANY OF THEM ARE PRIVATE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S TALKING GEOGRAPHICALLY. 
          BUT SO MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORTWOOD. 
          ARE STILL THERE. MANY OF THOSE THAT EXIST ON THIS SIDE ARE ACTUALLY PRIVATE SO. 
          YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO BE CANDID ABOUT THIS, THE 45/55 IS OUR RATIO FOR PERVIOUS AND
IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, THAT'S IT. SO ARE WE ALLOWED TO BUILD OUT PAST THAT? THE 45% IS THE LOT COVERAGE. THAT'S THAT'S AS BIG AS YOU CAN BUILD ON A ON A PERIOD,
RIGHT. 
          UNLESS YOU GET A VARIANCE FOR IT, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS A TRIGGER OF WHATEVER YOU ARE
RIGHT NOW IF YOU INCREASE IT BY 400, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE YOU HAVE TO CREATE ON SITE STORAGE FOR THE WATER THAT YOU'RE, THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT YOU'RE GENERATING. 
          SO JAX BEACH IS AT 35%. AND RIGHT NOW I'M WATCHING THEM DIG UP THEIR ROADS AND PUT IN,
WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE RE PIPING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. YEAH I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE RE PIPING. 
          I BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS PUTTING IN STORAGE VAULTS UNDERNEATH THE STORAGE VAULTS
UNDERNEATH. 
          VERY EXPENSIVE. YES, YES. BUT JAX BEACH HAS HAD MAJOR FLOODING ISSUES FOR DECADES,
EVEN WITH THE 35% RATIO. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY. SO AFTER THE 2018 STUDY WAS RECEIVED,
WE USED IT. 
          IT IT WE PRIORITIZED THE MOST VULNERABLE SITES AND WE BUILT INTO A AND STEVE BUILT IT,
BUILT IT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH SAID, OKAY, THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASSETS AND THESE ARE THE
ONES WE NEED TO FIX FIRST. 
          BUT THEN IT SORT OF HAD INFLUENCE OVER OTHER DECISIONS WE MADE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, BUYING THE I CALL IT THE SUCKER TRUCK,
BUT IT'S THE THE THE TRUCK THAT CLEANS OUT THE THE PIPES AND THE AND THE DITCHES TO IMPROVE THE RUNOFF AND,
AND KEEP THINGS CLEARED AND AND IT INFORMED OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PERMEABILITY AND POOLS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF AND PERMEABLE PAVERS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO IT HAD LIKE A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT THAT RAISED OUR CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT OUR THE ISSUES WE
HAVE WITH, WITH WITH RUNOFF BECAUSE THE WATER HAS TO WAIT SOMEWHERE AND EITHER IT WAITS AT THE PUBLIC
EXPENSE, OR IT WAITS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PERSON WHO CREATED THAT. 
          AND WE GOT PEOPLE COMING HERE WHO DON'T KNOW OUR RULES. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW. WELL,
YOU KNOW, IT'S BUYER BEWARE YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE RULES BEFORE YOU BEFORE YOU COME HERE. BUT IT WASN'T A ONE AND DONE. IT WAS SORT OF A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT. 
          COMMISSIONER. YES. BILL, DO WE WHAT I'D LOVE TO HAVE IS INFORMATION LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED
SINCE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE FROM THE, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF THE 2018 STUDY,
BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE ONLY SEVEN YEARS AND THAT, FOR ME, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN STUDIES,
BUT I GUESS IT COULD BE. 
          SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS HOW MUCH MORE ACREAGE HAS BEEN COVERED. 
          I MEAN, SARAH MENTIONED 12 ACRES, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR BACK THAT WENT SINCE SINCE WHAT
DATE AND IS THAT UP TO NOW OR IS THAT REFERENCING AN OLDER DATE? 
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BUT JUST INFORMATION LIKE THAT THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH MORE ACREAGE HAS BEEN COVERED. 
          OKAY. BUT ALSO TOO, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY PROPERTIES HAVE HAD TO UNDERGO STORM RETENTION ON THEIR LOTS? YOU KNOW, AS AS BRINKLEY BROUGHT UP YOU KNOW,
MAYBE IT'S ONLY 100 . 
          IS IT ONLY 100 OR IS IT MORE? I MEAN, WHAT WHAT'S REALLY,
YOU KNOW, ARE WE MOVING THE NEEDLE WITH HAVING ON SITE STORMWATER RETENTION? AND IT TO ME, JUST TAKING EVERYTHING IN,
YOU KNOW, SINCE I STARTED RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST IT'S A IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET. 
          I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD THING TO DO, AND I DO WANT TO ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          I'M JUST NOT SURE IMPOSING THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THE HOMEOWNER IS IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT
THING TO DO. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT IT'D BE, JUST BE NICE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT MORE INFORMATION TO,
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALLY WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT. 
          THANK YOU. SO LET ME I'M GOING TO TRY TO FRAME THIS A LITTLE SO WE CAN GET SOMEWHERE ON
IT. 
          THE REQUEST WAS TO ELIMINATE THE TRIGGER, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO STORMWATER
MANAGEMENT THAN JUST THAT ISSUE. 
          AND WE DID SOME, IT MAY NOT BE A LOT, BUT WE DID SOME WORK ON THAT WHEN WE PASSED LAST
YEAR'S CHANGES, MINOR CHANGES. BUT FOR ME, THERE'S SO MANY CITIZENS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM,
AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY YOU'VE HEARD FROM THAT, THAT ARE NOT HERE TODAY. AND I APPLAUD THOSE WHO ARE HERE ADVOCATING FOR THEIR POSITION. 
          BUT THERE'S SO MANY THAT ARE NOT HERE THAT FEEL AS IF THERE'S OVERREACH ON ON THE CODE. 
          AND SO HERE'S WHERE I WANT TO POSITION IT, THIS JUST AS ME,
AS THE MAYOR. 
          I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THOSE CITIZENS THAT HAVE ASKED THAT WE NOT MAKE ANY RADICAL
CHANGES PENDING OUR STUDY, BECAUSE IT IS IN FRONT OF US AT THIS POINT. WE'RE GOING TO GET A STUDY. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT REAL KEEN ON JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT WE SEEM TO DO, AND I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THOSE WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN SO NEGATIVELY
IMPACTED. 
          AND THE ONE THAT I WANT TO JUST BRING UP FOR CONVERSATION,
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT IS, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2005, WE ONLY REQUIRED THE STORMWATER COMPLIANCE ON THE INCREMENTAL ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ADDING A 400 SQUARE FOOT ROOM ADDITION,
THAT'S WHAT YOU COMPLIED WITH ON ON STORMWATER NOW IT'S ON THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO YOU CAN'T DO A MINOR PROJECT WITHOUT TRIGGERING AN ENTIRE SITE WIDE COMPLIANCE WITH
WITH ON SITE STORMWATER AS IT RELATES TO THE IMPACT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, MUCH OF WHICH WERE ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND SO SO WE LOST THAT KIND OF GRANDFATHERING IN BACK THEN. 
          AND SO I WONDER IF THAT'S A SOLUTION FOR NOW WITHOUT ELIMINATING ON SITE RETENTION. 
          AND BEFORE I GIVE UP THIS CONVERSATION ON IT,
I HEAR THAT WE'RE PROUD OF ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS SAID WE'RE PROUD OF BEING A LEADER IN THIS SPACE AND SO ON. LOOK,
WE ARE AN ENGAGED CITIZENRY, AND WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY I APPLAUD THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE A LEADER TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE
OVERREACHING. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE. THERE'S STILL AN ISSUE FOR ME,
WHICH WILL COME OUT WHEN WE GET INTO THE STUDY AS TO WHAT'S THE RIGHT CALCULUS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE TELL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY,
WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING, AND WE GIVE THEM THE NUMBER ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR STORAGE,
CUBIC FEET OR WHATEVER IT'S DONE. 
          AND AND RIGHT NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY,
AT LEAST ONE OF WHICH IS A NOTABLE ENGINEER THAT BELIEVED THAT CALCULUS IS ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT IT SHOULD BE TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS STATED IN OUR CODE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT WHEN WE UNPACK THE THE STUDY. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION IS DOES THIS BODY WANT TO MOVE ANYTHING FOR RELIEF TODAY,
AND IF SO, SPEAK UP. COMMISSIONER. MAYOR, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM ALMOST ALL THE COMMISSIONERS IS THAT
WE NEED AN ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS ISSUE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IN 2018 WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THIS QUESTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BUT FOR ME,
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE A CODE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A WHILE AND THE MORE
FUNDAMENTAL I KNOW I TALKED TO BILL ABOUT THIS, THE THE OTHER FUNDAMENTAL THING IS, ARE WE PASSING THE COST OF THIS TO THE CITY FROM THE
HOMEOWNER? OKAY. SO YOU CAN MAKE A FUNDAMENTAL DECISION ON THAT SURE OKAY. 
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BUT FROM WHAT I HEARD IS THAT WE CAN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO,
YOU KNOW, AND IF WE CAN SPEED UP THE PROCESS AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS OF THE STORMWATER, IF WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THIS, YOU KNOW,
400FT, BECAUSE I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH, RICK IS SMART ENOUGH. 
          I'VE TALKED TO RICK, AND RICK WAS HERE WHEN THEY DID IT. 
          SO MAYBE I'M PERSUADED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT'S TELLING ME THIS DOES HAVE AN
EFFECT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ANALYSIS DOWNSTREAM. THAT'S JUST MY POINT. 
          OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER. MAYOR, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING WHAT YOU MEAN BY A GRANDFATHERING
IN WHAT WAS THAT CAVEAT? PRIOR TO 2005 AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M OFF ON THE THE YEAR,
BUT I BELIEVE IN 2005 WAS WHEN WE ACTUALLY STARTED OUR ON SITE STORMWATER RETENTION FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND SO PRIOR TO THAT OR AT THAT TIME,
ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ON SITE STORAGE FOR THE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU DID TO THE PROPERTY. 
          TODAY IF YOU TRIGGER ON SITE STORAGE, YOU'RE TRIGGERING IT FOR ALL 3,000FT² OF HOUSE. 
          INSTEAD OF 400. YEAH. SO IT'S, I HEAR THE ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMUNITY SHOULD PAY
FOR THIS OR THE THE CITY THROUGH TAXES OR WHETHER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BRINGING IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TODAY,
WHETHER THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PAYING FOR WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. 
          AS SOON AS THEY TRIGGER, THEY'RE PAYING FOR WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE IN THE FOOTPRINT OF ALL
IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THE CITY. 
          AND I DON'T QUITE GET THAT. YES. YEAH. MARY,
YOU MAKE A REALLY GREAT POINT, BECAUSE I DID HEAR AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TO BUILD FROM THE GROUND UP IT'S $2 MILLION AND AND STORMWATER RETENTION IS ONLY,
YOU KNOW, A HALF PERCENT TO A PERCENT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU'RE A SMALL FAMILY AND YOU'RE
JUST BEGINNING YOUR FAMILY, OR YOU'VE HAD YOUR SECOND CHILD AND YOU NEED AN EXTRA BEDROOM,
AND THAT EXTRA BEDROOM IS GOING TO COST X, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT TO DO STORM WATER FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY WELL,
YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON HAS DONE APPLY ANYMORE. YOU'RE TALKING AT THE COST OF AN IMPROVEMENT, PLUS THE COST OF PROVIDING STORMWATER RETENTION FOR YOUR ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 / 50 COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE COST OF WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING. 
          RIGHT. BUT IT'S IT'S A LOT MORE THAN 1%. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT NEW BUILDS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 400 FOOT TRIGGER AND SO SQUARE
FOOT TRIGGERS. 
          SO I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING JUST COVER WHAT YOU'RE IMPROVING INSTEAD OF THE
ENTIRE LOT, BECAUSE THAT THAT GETS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO JUST IMPROVE THEIR THEIR
LOT SLIGHTLY TO ACCOMMODATE MANY THINGS. 
          SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. BUT ADD TO IT THE THE NEXT POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION IS IF INDEED
WE ORIGINALLY BUILT OUR PLAN DECADES AGO TO A 35% LOT COVERAGE IF WE RAN OR NOT GRANDFATHERED. 
          BUT IF WE SAID TO ANYBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS 35% OR LESS LOT COVERAGE,
THERE IS NO TRIGGER UNLESS THEY TRIP 35% WELL SOUTH OF THE 45% CURRENT LOT COVERAGE. BUT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE BY SOMEBODY WHO HAS VERY LITTLE LOT
COVERAGE. 
          AND AND THAT IS NOT TYPICALLY THE OLD CORE CITY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE OLD LITTLE BUNGALOWS. THERE'S ONLY A FEW LEFT THAT HAVE SMALL
FOOTPRINTS. 
          I'M THINKING MORE ABOUT SILVER MARINA WHEN YOU HAVE THESE HIGH BLUFF LOTS. 
          IN SOME CASES A LOT OF SUGAR SAND, A LOT MORE THAN A COUPLE OF FEET BETWEEN THE THE
CURRENT GRADE AND THE WATER TABLE. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ON SITE STORMWATER RETENTION FOR A 400 SQUARE FOOT ROOM
ADDITION. 
          IT JUST IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT I'VE HEARD TODAY AND I'VE HEARD ALSO FROM CITY STAFF,
WE'RE STARTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MAYBE ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT. YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WAS IF YOU'RE A 20% RATIO,
YOU STILL AND YOU PUT IN A 400 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SMALL BEDROOM THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PUT ON SITE STORMWATER
ON THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY FOR YOUR WATER RETENTION AT
ALL. 
          BUT SHOW ME A 20% LOT. MINE. IN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          MINE. YEAH. OKAY. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE THERE? I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, WELL THAT'S RIGHT. BUT SO STUDY SHOW US I AGREE I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY COMMISSIONER GRANT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. BUT BUT WE BUT THE CITY YOU KNOW HOW FAR BACK
I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT THE CURRENT DRAINAGE IS FOR 35%, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN SAYING HERE. 
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THE CURRENT DRAINAGE IS ABLE TO ACCEPT 35% DRAINAGE. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE PENALIZE A HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY BELOW 35%. 
          SO WHEN THEY'RE STAYING UNDERNEATH THE RULES AND BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO PENALIZE THEM
BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH WHATEVER PRIOR THAT'S THAT'S THAT THAT'S THE LOGIC DOESN'T ADD UP TO ME. WELL, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY DECADES AGO,
I DON'T KNOW, IN THE 40S OR 50, PROBABLY THE 50S, THE CITY DID THE DETERMINATION ON THEIR STORMWATER SYSTEM BASED ON
EXPECTED 35% LOT COVERAGE. SO WE'RE WELL PAST THAT BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE HAD 50% OF THE LOTS DEVELOPED. 
          NOW MAYBE MORE IN THE IN THE CORE CITY. BUT IT CERTAINLY OVERALL IN THE CITY WE ONLY HAVE
50%. 
          AND SO ALL THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY CAN THINK OF WE'VE DEVELOPED AND BUILT OUT MOST OF
OUR LAND. 
          WE'VE GONE SETBACK TO SETBACK I HEARD EARLIER LOT LINE TO LOT LINE. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. LET'S USE THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY. 
          IT'S SETBACK TO SETBACK. SO WE'RE BUILDING OUT EVERY SQUARE INCH THAT WE CAN UNDER CODE. 
          AND SO THAT'S PUT MORE IMPACTS IN THERE. AND THEN OF COURSE SEASONAL WEATHER PATTERNS HAVE
CHANGED. 
          SO, SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ROOM FOR I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM
FOR CHANGES AFTER WE DO THE STORM WATER STUDY, BUT IS THERE ROOM FOR IMMEDIATE RELIEF ON ANYTHING THAT SEEMS OBVIOUS,
LIKE A HOUSE THAT IS NOT AT 35% LOT COVERAGE. 
          [INAUDIBLE] . WELL, I MEAN, YOU SAID 45. WE'RE I'M SORRY WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN A
CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW, BUT THANK YOU, STEVE. BUT BUT THAT'S IT. RIGHT NOW,
I'M JUST SAYING THAT MY IDEA FOR THE 35, IT'S VERY RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT IMPACTFUL,
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSES THAT ARE AT 35%. 
          YES, MAYBE A SMALL COMPROMISE HERE. SO, YOU KNOW,
BILL, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THIS TAKES A YEAR, RIGHT? AND THEN WE'RE WAITING FOR THE GRANT,
ETC.. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PRIORITIES, RESILIENCY, I MEAN,
YOU CAN READ DOWN THE STARS THAT WE ALL PUT UP THERE. 
          IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET THIS STUDY FASTER AND MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC,
AND MAYBE TAKE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE CONFRONTING THE CITY TODAY I LIKE THEM AND SAY, WE NEED ANSWERS ON THIS, AND I WOULD BE WILLING,
AS A COMMISSIONER TO VOTE MORE MONEY AT THIS TIME TO ANSWER THIS QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I'M NOT AGAIN, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THE MATH. 
          I WANT TO SEE A BIG PICTURE OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          I WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO STORMWATER. 
          I WANT TO SEE THE PERCENTAGES THAT THIS AFFECTS WITH THE 500FT². 
          AND YOU'RE PROBABLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, AS A BUREAUCRAT AND I KNOW CITY GOVERNMENT MOVES
SLOW, BUT I BET IF WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND PINPOINT OUR ISSUES AND WE
CAN WRITE THEM DOWN. 
          WE CAN HAVE A TOWN HALL SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER IN ORDER TO
CHANGE AN ORDINANCE, A CHANGE, A ZONE, WHATEVER, AND PUT OUR PUT THE MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, GENERALLY SO WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES YOU'RE GOING TO
ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL MONEY CAN EITHER BUY SCOPE OR IT CAN REDUCE TIME. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WHAT I MEAN, TIME IS AN ISSUE HERE THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE
SOMETHING NOW, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT IN 26. RIGHT. 
          WELL, HERE I'M GOING HERE. YEAH, BUT I DO, BUT I,
I DON'T KNOW, I CAN ASK I CAN ASK OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HOW QUICK HE THINKS ONE COULD BE DONE, BUT WE WOULD. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO,
WE HAVE TO PROCURE IT. 
          RIGHT? THAT TAKES TIME, UNDERSTAND? AND THEY HAVE TO GEAR UP. 
          AND SO I'M I'M SURE THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST BE EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE OUR AND THE DIRECTOR IS NODDING YES TO THAT. COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          W AS IT JOAN'S HUSBAND WHO DID IT LAST? WAS IT JOAN'S EDMUND? YEP. THEY PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE THE BASELINE DATA. 
          IF WE COULD DO WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS STUDY AND NUMBERS,
THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. 
          WELL, SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING FROM THE MAYOR AND SOME OF YOUR OTHERS,
I'M GOING TO RESTATE IT IN A WAY THAT'S MORE ACCEPTABLE TO ME. SO IT MAY NOT BE WHAT I'M HEARING, IS YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO TO THINK ABOUT IT,
COME BACK AND PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INTERMEDIARY BEFORE WE HAVE A FULL BLOWN STUDY DONE. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM? I DON'T WANT THAT. THAT'S. [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD WANT SOMETHING TO PROVIDE FOR IMMEDIATE
RELIEF FOR THESE. 
          I DON'T I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARY. 
          [01:15:01]
AND I HEAR THE OLD ATLANTIC BEACH AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE YOU LIVE THERE, BUT ROYAL PALMS AND THE OTHER AREAS AND SOUTH OF MARINA
DON'T ALL LIVE IN THOSE LOT TO LOT. 
          VERY CLOSE. AND SOME OF THOSE 45-55 GRANDFATHERED IN HOUSES HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT OUT
PAST THE 45-55 THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF THE ISSUES IN IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH OR THE NUMBERED STREET THAT RICK CARPER HAD
MENTIONED ALREADY BECAUSE AND WE REMOVED THAT TRIGGER, THAT GRANDFATHER TRIGGER THAT ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD UP PAST THE 45 THAT'S CAUSING THE
PERPETUAL PROBLEMS OF FLOODING OUT THERE. 
          AND YOU'RE GOING TO COST THE ENTIRE CITY TO EAT THAT. 
          YES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND LOOK AT MY DISTRICT IT ACTUALLY GOES ACROSS THE
INTERCOASTAL, YOU KNOW THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY DISTRICT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          IT'S NOT. OH, I SAID WHERE YOU LIVED, NOT YOUR DISTRICT. 
          WELL, YES, COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CAREFUL AT LEAST DURING MY SEVEN YEARS HERE
TO CONSIDER ALL PARTS OF THE CITY WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS, WHEN WE SPEND MONEY, WHERE WE PUT RESOURCES. 
          AND I, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE. 
          BUT IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHO CAME TODAY,
IT IS AN ISSUE. 
          AND SO WE WE DON'T WANT AN UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES ARISING FROM AN EMERGENCY OR AN
EMERGING URGENCY ABOUT CHANGING THIS. YEAH. YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WORK ON SOMETHING THAT
PROVIDES SOME SORT OF RELIEF. 
          POSSIBLY. YOU KNOW, IF YOUR LOT DOESN'T GO UP TO 35% OR,
YOU KNOW, NO WATER YOU DON'T HAVE TO STORM WATER COVER YOUR STORM WATER, DOESN'T TRIGGER A FULL RECOVERY OR JUST RECOVER WHAT YOU'VE BUILT OUT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU IF WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT AN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH,
WE'LL JUST SAY CARVE OUT A, AN AREA THAT SAYS, YOU GUYS AREN'T YOU GUYS ARE ARE RESTRICTED FROM THIS,
THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S DIVIDE THE CITY UP IF YOU WANT TO,
WHERE IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM ALRIGHT YOU GUYS GOT TO LIVE BY A STRICTER CODE INSTEAD OF IMPOSING THAT AMONGST THE ENTIRE CITY. BECAUSE IT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE,
I THINK, IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OLD ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHY AM I HAVING TO DO THIS? YOU KNOW,
I'M BUILDING A SWALE OR RETENTION POND. 
          AND I GOT MY NEIGHBORS WATER ROLLING INTO MY,
MY, MY WATER RETENTION, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT I KEEP HEARING. 
          SO I GET THAT ATLANTIC BEACH ALL ATLANTIC BEACH HAS A THE NUMBER STREETS HAVE A SERIOUS
CONCERN, AND I GET THAT. BUT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN IMPOSED ACROSS THE CITY WIDE I THINK HAS
BEEN, YOU KNOW, DONE SO TO PROTECT OLD ATLANTIC BEACH OR TO HELP THEM. 
          BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S REALLY HELPED THE REST OF THE CITY AS MUCH AS IT'S HELPED THEM. 
          AND, AND AND YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER LAST MEETING THAT DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE
DOWN THERE, YOU STILL YOU STILL HAVE SERIOUS FLOOD ISSUES. YEAH. 
          NOT WORKING. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER. I,
I CERTAINLY COULD I COULD CONCEDE TO CARVING OUT EXEMPT PROPERTIES BASED ON A TOPOGRAPHICAL, GEOGRAPHIC,
SOME KIND OF SURVEY. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD DO IT ALONG CITY STREET NUMBERS,
BUT BUT DEFINITELY PROPERTY BY PROPERTY EXEMPTION. 
          EXCUSE ME. IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE IT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO IT BY DRAINAGE
BASIN, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE WATER FLOWS. OKAY. OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SUBJECT,
BECAUSE WE'RE NEARING THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK, LAST YEAR'S CHANGES DID PROVIDE RELIEF ON STORMWATER,
NOT RELIEF TO THE CITIZENS, BUT RELIEF ON STORMWATER WHEN WE TOOK AWAY THE GRANDFATHERING
CLAUSE. 
          AND SO THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE OLD CORE CITY. 
          SO THE HOMES THAT WERE 60, 70% LOT COVERAGE,
WHICH WE KNOW THEY EXIST CANNOT REBUILD TO THAT THEY CAN REBUILD A 45%. 
          ALTHOUGH NEVER FORGET THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IS THOSE SOME OF THOSE HOMES WILL GET
BAND-AIDS FOR DECADES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T REBUILD TO THE FOOTPRINT THAT THEY HAVE SO IT'S GOING TO THAT'S A THAT'S A BAD THING. BUT SO WE WILL GET RELIEF OVER TIME WHEN THOSE HOMES
COME DOWN BECAUSE NEW HOMES ARE WHAT PEOPLE WANT MOVING TO ATLANTIC BEACH, THEY'RE PAYING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THEM. SO WE'LL WE'LL GET RID OF SOME OF THAT
GRANDFATHERED STUFF AS THEY GET REBUILT. 
          AND THAT WILL GIVE SOME BENEFIT THAT WILL OFFSET SOME MINOR CHANGES IF WE WERE TO MAKE
THOSE CHANGES NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, 
          [01:20:07]
I.E. USING 35% WITH NO TRIGGER AS JUST AN EXAMPLE OR EVEN 45%. 
          BUT BUT THAT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL
SYSTEM WAS BUILT FOR. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, I HAVE NOT HEARD A MOTION. 
          SO RATHER THAN A MOTION, IF THERE'S NONE FORTHCOMING I. 
          YES. CAN I SAY SOMETHING. YES. COME ON UP, RICK. 
          I JUST WANT TO STRESS, WHEN THIS SYSTEM ENDED THE 35% IMPERVIOUS LIMIT,
THERE WERE NO SYSTEMS. YOU GO INTO THE CORE CITY THERE WAS NEVER A SYSTEM. 
          EVERYTHING WAS DESIGNED WAS BUILT JUST TO TAKE CARE OF ON THE DIRT. 
          ROYAL P ALMS WAS THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY IN THE 60S TO HAVE A SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED JUST TO MOVE THE WATER OFF THE PROPERTY,
PUT IT IN THE DITCH AND GET RID OF IT. 
          SO UNTIL ROYAL PALMS OR OR UNTIL THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND DEP GOT INVOLVED IN THE
MID 80S, WE DIDN'T HAVE STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT PROVIDED ANY KIND OF STORAGE OR OR REAL STORMWATER
BENEFIT OTHER THAN JUST GETTING RID OF THE WATER AS FAST AS WE COULD. SURE, SURE. THANK YOU RICK. 
          SO WHAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO JUST I'D LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE'RE DIRECTING THE
CITY MANAGER TO DO. 
          AND IN MY MIND IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE, SO A LITTLE CLARITY. 
          I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU AGREE, FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO COME BACK WITH ANY
RECOMMENDATIONS ON LIGHT IMPACT, I.E. THE 35% ISSUE. OR SECONDARILY, IF THERE ARE IMPACTS,
THE IMPACTS ONLY TRIGGER STORMWATER FOR THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW IMPACT, NOT THE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD ASK
THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK ON WITH STAFF AND BRING BACK TO US FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION NEXT TIME. AND TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS ADDRESSED BY ONE OF OUR CITIZENS
EARLIER THAT THIS SHOULD BE A FIRST READING. NO, THIS IS A CONVERSATION. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ORDINANCE YET. 
          WE WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION THAT COULD RESULT IN AN ORDINANCE,
IN WHICH CASE WE'LL HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND READING. 
          YES, SIR. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SO IN TERMS OF PROCESS,
EVEN IF THIS DOES BECOME AN ORDINANCE, THE FIRST IT HAS TO GO TO CDB BEFORE IT COMES TO THIS COMMISSION FOR A FIRST READ. 
          SO PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK IT THROUGH. THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IF YOU DIRECT ME I'M JUST
TALKING ABOUT PROCESS HERE. 
          YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. BUT IN TERMS OF PROCESS,
EVEN IF YOU DIRECTED ME TO PROCESS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS AS AN ORDINANCE, I WOULD BRING BACK THAT TO YOU. YOU WOULD APPROVE IT. 
          IT WOULD THEN GO TO CDB. THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH,
AND THEN FROM THERE THEIR RECOMMENDATION WOULD COME TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE COMMISSION MEETING AND THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST READING. OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD BE FOR THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION AS FAR AS FINDING SOME IMMEDIATE RELIEF HERE AND
THEN TABLING THE REST FOR THE STUDY. 
          BUT AS WE HAVE SEEN, IT'S SEVEN YEARS SINCE OUR LAST STUDY AND WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT WITH
THAT SO. 
          OKAY. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON. THAT WOULD BE MY COMPROMISE. 
          FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF AND COME BACK WITH ANY OR NONE. 
          I MEAN, IF HE COMES BACK WITH NO RECOMMENDATIONS,
WE'LL SO NOTE THAT. 
          ARE WE ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. I BUT I WANT TO PIGGYBACK BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS
SO IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER IS WE GOT $200,000 FOR A STUDY. AND I HATE WASTING MONEY ON STUDIES,
BUT THIS IS ONE WE NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON. 
          WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS, DOES DOUBLING IT TO $400,000 GET US ALL THE DATA WE NEED ALL THE
INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THE CITY MANAGER WITH YOUR AGREEMENT IS THAT HE PUT SOME
TIME INTO WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY. HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO GET ENOUGH ON THE STUDY TO BE INFORMATIVE SO WE
CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS? BECAUSE THAT NUMBER COULD BE $500,000. NOW, RIGHT NOW,
THE PROPOSAL FROM MR. KILLINGSWORTH WAS TO WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN YET. 
          BUT IF WE DID, THAT WOULD DOUBLE THE MONEY. IT WOULD. 
          IT WOULD. WE HAVE $ 200,000 BUDGETED RIGHT NOW. 
          THE GRANT IS UP TO $400,000 WITH A 25% MATCH. 
          SO FOR $100,000, WE COULD HAVE A $400,000 GRANT. 
          [01:25:04]
IF WE USE BOTH THE FULL $200,000, WE COULD HAVE A $500,000 GRANT. 
          THAT'S INCREDIBLE. OR A $500,000 STUDY. $500,000 STUDY. 
          SO ONE SECOND, COMMISSIONER SO I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE
GOING TO BE VOTING ON A BUDGET. 
          AND JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER BOLE SAID, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO,
TO PONY UP SOME ADDITIONAL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES AND, I MEAN, EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT. 
          BUT THAT MEANS THAT WE'VE GOT TO CARVE OUT THE MONEY FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S ALREADY
BEING DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. WELL, ASSUMING THAT THE BUDGET,
I MEAN, THE GRANT FALLS THROUGH GRANTS LATELY ARE ARE SORT OF UNRELIABLE. 
          BUT IF THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO US AS A CITY,
MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE SOME MONEY OUT OF THE RESERVES AND BUY WHAT WE WANT. AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK WE COULD GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE OUR BUDGET WITH THE FULL
AMOUNT NECESSARY, BASED ON GOOD ADVICE FROM CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH BUT STILL PURSUE THE GRANT. 
          AND IF WE GET IT, WE GET IT. IF NOT, WE'RE BUDGETED. 
          YES. AND WHAT I HEAR FROM RICK CARPER, WHO'S SERVING AS OUR INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO
WAS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR MANY YEARS. 
          SO THERE IS NO SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR OLD ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          YEAH, THERE WAS THERE WAS A SYSTEM ? IS OUR CURRENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON THE NUMBERED
STREETS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT KEEPING UP. IT'S NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR TODAY BUT AGAIN,
IT'S A COMPOSITION OF A NEW BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL LOT COVERAGE. 
          AND GOING OVER THE 45-50. WELL, THAT AND WEATHER PATTERNS. 
          OKAY. IN MY DISCUSSION WITH MR. KILLINGSWORTH EARLIER TODAY,
IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE RAINFALL OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE JUST GETTING MORE IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME. SO WHAT WHAT MAY HAVE FALLEN IN A 24 TO 48 HOUR
PERIOD 20 YEARS AGO MAY BE FALLING IN 4 HOURS. 
          AND SO IT'S THOSE QUICK EXCESSIVE RAINFALLS THAT OVERLOAD THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S GOT
NOWHERE TO GO. 
          WE ALL KNOW AND AND I'VE GOTTEN MY INSTRUCTION FROM MR. CARPER, BUT WE ARE ON A FLAT PIECE OF DIRT. OKAY. 
          AND IT VERY IT'S HARD TO GET THE WATER TO GO IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO SO WE GET THAT. 
          AND THE DIRECTION THAT'S GOING IN IS ALREADY FLOODED. 
          IT'S YOUR YARD. NO, IT'S LIKE THE INTERCOASTAL IS OUR,
YOU KNOW, THE RIVER IS ALREADY FULL. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, DID WE FINISH THAT? IF YOU IF YOU COULD WORK ON NUMBERS AND GET US A
BETTER IDEA. 
          AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FOR BUDGETING. ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 3D PROPOSED PARKING CODE CHANGE,
MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ON, I'LL LET AMANDA COME UP AND DESCRIBE IT. 
          BUT IT'S ON PAGE 56 YOU'LL SEE THE UNDERLYING CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW ON SITE SHARED
PARKING. 
          HI GOOD EVENING AMANDA ASKEW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR,
ON JUNE 9TH. 
          WHICH WAS OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD REGARDING ON SITE SHARED PARKING FOR THE SAME PARCEL. CURRENTLY, OUR CODE ALLOWS SHARED PARK PARKING FOR OFF SITE,
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE SAME PARCEL. TYPICALLY IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN SHARED PARKING OFF SITE WITH A SINGLE USER,
I.E. 
          A CHURCH. HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WANTED TO DISCUSS AND IS RECOMMENDING
TO ALLOW AND UPDATE THE CODE TO ALLOW SHARED PARKING ON THE SAME PARCEL. THERE IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          T O START THE DISCUSSION IS NOT IN ORDINANCE FORMAT,
BUT IT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CODE TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. 
          HOWEVER A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ON SITE SHARED PARKING ALSO HAVE A ROBUST PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND ARE LOCATED IN AREAS THAT ARE EASILY, EASILY WALKABLE. 
          THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE 42 EAST COAST THAT DROVE THIS CONVERSATION IS LOCATED IN THE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ALREADY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A LOT OF CODE PARKING REDUCTIONS. OUR CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS PARKING REDUCTIONS FOR BICYCLE
PARKING, PARKING REDUCTIONS IF YOU HAVE VALET AND PARKING REDUCTIONS IF YOU SAVE ON SITE TREES. 
          BUT THIS TEXT IS BEFORE YOU TO START THE CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. CITY MANAGER, I'LL LET YOU LEAD OFF. WELL,
SO I THINK MY POSITION ON THIS IS 
          [01:30:03]
I DON'T I DON'T LIKE THE CURRENT OFFSITE PARKING,
SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT. 
          I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A SHARED PARKING,
IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT OUR PARKING CODE DOESN'T WORK. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY, OUR PARKING STANDARDS ARE LARGELY SUBURBAN IN NATURE. 
          I MEAN, I RATTLED THEM OFF TO TO OUR DIRECTOR WITHOUT HAVING READ THEM,
BECAUSE THEY'RE THE KIND OF THE STANDARD PARKING CODE THAT YOU GO TO EVERY CITY, THREE PER THOUSAND FOR A RETAIL AND ONE FOR EVERY FOUR SEATS FOR A RESTAURANT AND THEN ONE
FOR AN EMPLOYEE AT A RESTAURANT, AND SO ON AND SO ON. THE REALITY IS, ATLANTIC BEACH IS BUILT OUT,
IT'S A SMALL WALKING COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A TOWN CENTER. IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE IF WE JUST REVISITED OUR PARKING CODE IN
GENERAL AND SET PARKING STANDARDS THAT WERE MORE REALISTIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE WAY THE COMMUNITY IS
BUILT. 
          WHEN WE DO THESE, LIKE, ONE OFFS, IT ALWAYS WORRIES ME THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE
BIGGER PICTURE AND WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING. AND I THINK IT'S AN ADMISSION THAT THE CODE DOESN'T WORK CURRENTLY. 
          OKAY. CONVERSATION. I JUST THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PARK ON SITE IF IT'S NOT BEING
USED. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN THAT SIMPLE. HI. 
          YES. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW,
ONE OF THE POTENTIAL CLIENTS OF 42 EAST COAST THEIR PARKING SOLUTION THAT WE'VE APPROVED IS WHICH WE HAD TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE WE HAD THEY HAD TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER,
BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CREDIT FOR PARKING FOR A BUSINESS THAT'S CLOSED FOR THE EVENING IS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR PARKING FROM. 
          SO THAT WAS WHAT THEY'VE GOTTEN. THEY RECEIVED TO SATISFY THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT WHEN
THEY HAVE PARKING ON SITE THAT SHOULD ALSO BE VACANT, BECAUSE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS IN THAT BUILDING IS A PRIMARILY A 9 TO 5 OR, YOU KNOW, 9 TO 6, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 
          SO I JUST IT JUST MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND LOGIC TO APPROVE THIS THIS MEASURE. 
          SO HEARING NO OTHER CONVERSATION I'LL JUST WEIGH IN. 
          WE COULD APPROVE, WE COULD ASK THAT THIS BE BROUGHT BACK TO US IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE
TO SIMPLY ALLOW ON SITE SHARED PARKING, WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE JUST
HEARD, THOUGH, THAT WE NEED TO RETHINK OUR ACTUAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS,
PERHAPS AS WELL. 
          I'M NOT SAYING ONE OR THE OTHER. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE ON SITE
SHARED PARKING FOR PARKING THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED AFTER HOURS. 
          I THINK ONSITE, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TRYING TO ADMINISTER
THESE THINGS. 
          ON-SITE PARKING EVERYTHING ABOUT ON-SITE PARKING. 
          SHARED ON-SITE PARKING IS GENERATED BY THE USER WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. 
          I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF OFFSITE PARKING, BUT AT LEAST WITH THE OFF SITE PARKING,
THERE'S A SECOND PROPERTY OWNER, SO THAT SECOND PROPERTY OWNER HAS SOME VESTED INTEREST IN WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING IS
USED, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ENFORCED. IF IT'S ALL ON SITE,
THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE CITY TO EFFECTIVELY REGULATE THAT. 
          THERE JUST ISN'T. WE WILL HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO QUITE FRANKLY, MISREPRESENT WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THERE WILL BE NO WAY FOR US TO DO THAT,
TO REGULATE THAT. 
          IT WILL PUSH PARKING AND TRAFFIC INTO UNINTENDED PLACES. 
          WE THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S FOR ONE STRUCTURE. WE HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE THEY COULD GET A
VARIANCE AND JUST REDUCE THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          WHY THEY DIDN'T JUST DO THAT I DON'T KNOW. BUT,
YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS WOULD HAVE BEEN THEY WOULD BE DONE NOW, IF THAT WAS THE PROCESS, CLEARLY CDB WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
DONE. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT'S MY VIEW I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ONSITE OR OFFSITE PARKING AS A WAY TO
ADJUST FOR OUR PARKING STANDARDS, 
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THEN THAT'S JUST AN INDICATION THAT OUR PARKING STANDARDS DON'T WORK. 
          THERE ARE MANY COMMUNITIES WHERE IN LIKE OUR TOWN CENTER,
WE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PARKING STANDARD THERE. 
          THE TOWN CENTER, QUITE FRANKLY, COULD NOT REBUILD TODAY UTILIZING THE SUBURBAN PARKING
STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ANYWAYS. WE SHOULD JUST BE PROACTIVE AND DEAL WITH IT
NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY PROPOSALS FOR NEW KNOCKDOWN? BECAUSE I KNOW RAGTIME IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. 
          SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CHANGE, I KNOW WE'RE KEEPING 42 EAST COAST DRIVE IN MIND,
BUT WHAT ARE THE OTHER IMPACTS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY? WELL, SO I MEAN, EVERY EVERY STRUCTURE THAT REQUIRES A PARKING WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO MIX AND MATCH. BUT DO WE HAVE MANY OF THOSE? WELL, SO IT'S ALL THE COMMERCIAL ON MAYPORT AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD,
THAT'S THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THERE AREN'T PROPOSALS THAT I'M AWARE OF, I KNOW RAGTIME IS THEY MAY THEY MAY ACTUALLY BE
LIMITED BY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THE REQUIRED PARKING BY TODAY'S
STANDARDS. 
          SO THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE LIMITING THEM TO, TO REBUILDING IT. 
          IN MY MIND, I'M MORE THINKING ABOUT NATURAL DISASTERS OR OTHER FORMS OF UNINTENDED
REDEVELOPMENT. 
          BILL, YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS A COMPREHENSIVE PARKING PLAN,
NOT JUST A SPECIFIC, BECAUSE YOU REVISITING THE ENTIRE PARK. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE WISE THING TO DO, BECAUSE YOU IF YOU REMEMBER,
WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE COME IN IN 2ND STREET AND 1ST STREET BECAUSE OF THE OVERFLOW THAT AFFECTS THEM DIRECTLY, RIGHT? THE PARKING AND TOWN CENTER,
THERE'S THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES. 
          SO I THINK YOU NEED A, A, YOU KNOW, HOLISTIC,
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO TAKE A LOOK. 
          I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS AT SOME POINT THE PARKING IS GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM AND IT'S
ALREADY PUSHING INTO THE EARLY NUMBERED STREET, 2 ND, 3RD, 4TH STREET. I KNOW THE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IT STOPPED THERE WASN'T AN APPETITE
FOR IT, BUT AT SOME POINT THE PARKING IS GOING TO BECOME SO PROBLEMATIC THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE
SOME KIND OF DECAL SYSTEM OR SOME KIND OF PERMIT SYSTEM FOR PARKING ON THOSE STREETS. 
          SO I'M SORRY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT RIGHT THERE. 
          IF WE'VE GOT IF WE'VE GOT UNINTENDED PARKING ON THE NUMBERED STREETS OR WHEREVER THEY MAY
BE OVERFLOWING TOO, WE SHOULD BE TOWING OR TICKETING. ARE WE DOING THAT? IT'S IT'S LEGAL FOR THEM TO PARK THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. OKAY. WELL, LET'S MAKE IT ILLEGAL. OH OH,
BOY. 
          YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE UNLESS YOU'RE A RESIDENT AND YOU HAVE A STICKER. 
          OKAY, I GET THAT. WELL, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF NUANCES TO IT. 
          SO OUR PUBLIC PARKING PROVIDES PART OF IT PROVIDES FOR THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT,
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC PARKING TO THE BEACH FOR THE FEDS TO, THAT'S THE NEXUS BETWEEN USING PUBLIC MONEY,
UNDERSTAND? WE HAVE A COMP PLAN THAT I FOUND OUT MONDAY SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT WE CAN'T REMOVE ANY
PUBLIC PARKING WITHOUT REPLACING EQUAL PUBLIC PARKING IN A LIKE GEOGRAPHY. WHICH I'M ALMOST CERTAIN HAS NOT BEEN ENFORCED. 
          SO. WELL, ONE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS A PARKING SPOT IN ORDER TO,
TO ENFORCE THAT SO THAT YEAH. 
          YES COMMISSIONER RING. MAYOR, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS FOR TONIGHT? WE CAN MOVE TONIGHT TO CHANGE SHARED PARKING ON SINGLE PARCEL SECTION 24-161 OR NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT IS ARE THOSE ARE TWO OPTIONS? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. OR I MEAN, SO YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO DO THAT. 
          YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO DO THAT AND REVISIT THE CODE. 
          YOU COULD CHOOSE NOT TO DO ANYTHING. OKAY I'M READY. 
          ARE YOU READY? WHY DO WE CARE WHO SHARES YOUR PARKING? WE DON'T ENFORCE IT. 
          WE DON'T EVEN ENFORCE THE OFF SITE PARKING, RIGHT? THEY WE SAY OKAY YOU HAVE A CONTRACT. OKAY, FINE YOU'RE DONE. 
          AND WE NEVER CHECK. WE NEVER FOLLOW UP. WHY WOULD WE CARE ABOUT WHO SHARES WHAT DURING
WHAT HOURS? SO THE POINT IS THAT'S THAT THAT'S A RECOGNITION THAT THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. 
          RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OFFSITE SHARED PARKING. 
          OKAY. THE SYSTEM IS IS STILL BROKEN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON SITE SHARED PARKING. 
          I GUESS MY ARGUMENT IS JUST LOOK AT THE SYSTEM AND IDENTIFY A SYSTEM THAT THE COMMISSION
IS AGREEABLE TO THAT IS WORKABLE. 
          [01:40:04]
SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO ASK, DO WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO HAVE DUALITY OF
ON SITE PARK SHARED PARKING, IF YOU WILL? DO DO WE HAVE BECAUSE WE SOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE TENANT
THAT WANTED TO OCCUPY. 
          42 EAST COAST. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER NEED RIGHT NOW? TO ALLOW ONSITE PARKING? WELL TO TO TO ALLOW SHARED ON SITE,
YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          I, I WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER PUT THIS INTO. 
          YES GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, BECAUSE I'M HAVING A VACANT,
MY BRAIN'S ESCAPING ME . 
          AMANDA SO THIS IS STRUCTURED JUST LIKE THE OFF SITE,
THEY STILL HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO RECORD IT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO CDB, THOUGH IT'S ALL STAFF? TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE OFFSITE PARKING. 
          IT IS IF WE DO GO WITH THIS LANGUAGE I ALSO RECOMMEND USE UPDATING THE OFF SITE TO MATCH
THIS LANGUAGE THIS LANGUAGE IS MORE ENCOMPASSING, BUT IT IN THEORY DOES THE SAME THING. IT REQUIRES THE PEOPLE SHARING IT TO PRODUCE LEGAL
DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY THAT ENSURES THAT SHARED PARKING IS PERPETUAL FOR THAT PROPERTY. OKAY, BUT THERE'S NO IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GO BACK TO CDB. 
          THE ONLY REASON THE PRIOR ONE WENT TO CDB WAS A VARIANCE FROM THE DISTANCE LIMITATION FOR
THE OFF SITE? CORRECT. HAD THEY MET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT THEY WOULD HAVE ONLY GONE THROUGH STAFF. 
          YEAH. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. YES. CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE CASE
BECAUSE IT'S IT WOULD BE SILLY TO CREATE AN ONSITE PARKING SPACE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO CDB AND GET APPROVAL FOR WHEN THEY COULD JUST GET A VARIANCE RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. AND THIS PARAGRAPH THAT'S IN RED HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED WITH CITY ATTORNEY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, THIS MAY I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER CUT AT IT,
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT IT'S BEEN GENERALLY DISCUSSED YET. 
          BUT I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION I JUST HEARD WAS THAT WHICH IS NOT IN HERE IS TO TAKE THAT
LANGUAGE AND PUT IT IN THE OFFSIDE SECTION. 
          CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL FOR SHARED PARKING ON SINGLE PARCELS,
WHICH IS SECTION 24-161, CODE CHANGE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND NOW DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES PLEASE. DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE CHANGING THE OFFSITE TO MATCH? YES, I CAN MAKE IT. DO I HAVE TO AMEND IT AGAIN? NO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WOULD BE NICE. 
          OKAY. SO IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. 
          BUT ARE YOU STILL GOING TO LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE WILL, BUT IT WON'T BE AS IMMEDIATE AS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. YEAH,
I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THAT TO THE SLATE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. LET'S SEE REPORTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS. 
          [4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE. I JUST HAVE TWO THINGS. 
          REAL QUICK AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET. ONE THING I THINK,
YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS. I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. WHEN WE PUT WHEN WE BUILD A ROAD, WE PUT YOU KNOW,
A YEAR INTO A PARK, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. 
          THAT'S NOT A ONE TIME YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MAINTENANCE OCCURRING AND SOME OF THESE THINGS
YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RECURRING MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE OF LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. BUT I ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY VOTING RECORD OVER THE
PAST ALMOST FIVE YEARS, YOU'LL SEE THAT I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR WHERE I LIVE. 
          I'M THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT RUNS FROM THE OCEAN TO THE INTERCOASTAL. 
          RIGHT? I'VE CHAMPIONED THINGS ON THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORT. 
          I'VE CHAMPIONED THINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF MAYPORT. I WOULD CHALLENGE ANY CITIZEN THAT
REGULARLY COMES AND SITS HERE, OR GO BACK THROUGH THE FILES AND SAY THAT I WOULD EVER VOTE BECAUSE I LIVE ON 79TH STREET, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE, SO. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT. YEAH. JUST A QUICK ITEM I 'D ASK STAFF TO AND I'LL FLIP THE EMAIL,
BUT I'LL ASK STAFF TO PUT THIS ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          THE ATLANTIC BEACH 12 AND UNDER BREAKERS ALL STAR BASEBALL TEAM QUALIFIED FOR A I WANT TO
BELIEVE A NATIONAL TOURNAMENT IN COOPERSTOWN, NEW YORK. SO THAT'S A VERY NICE BIG DEAL THAT WE SHOULD YOU KNOW,
MAKE NOTE OF AND SUPPORT OUR FINE YOUNG BASEBALL PLAYERS AND AND YEAH, I'M WAITING FOR THE RESULTS. SEE HOW THEY DID. 
          MAYBE THAT'S WHEN WE WAIT TO POST IT, BUT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          [01:45:01]
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY. I HAVE NOTHING TONIGHT. 
          OH, OKAY. COMMISSIONER RING. I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH,
SO I'M OKAY. 
          I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ZIP IT FOR NOW AND SAVE MYSELF A MINUTE. 
          LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 5. ACTUALLY, NOTHING ON ITEM 5. 
          SO ITEM 6, OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED
TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM 
          [6. CONSENT AGENDA]
LISTED BELOW. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE
CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. 
          SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE
CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM 6 A APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25- 51 AND 6B APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-53. 
          DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL EITHER OF THESE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO. OKAY. THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-51. 
          SECOND. AND 25-53, AND 25-53. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO 8A RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-54,
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, 
          [8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-54]
FLORIDA AWARDING BID NUMBER 2425-01 FOR WATER PLANT NUMBER ONE EXTERIOR PAINTING OF GROUND
STORAGE TANKS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH,
AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU,
MR. MAYOR. SO THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY A PROJECT TO PAINT BOTH THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR OF
OUR GROUND STORAGE TANKS AT WATER PLANT ONE. 
          LIKE MANY THINGS, THE QUOTE CAME BACK MORE THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR,
BUT WE DID PUT OUT THE RFP FOR SEPARATE QUOTES FOR INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR. 
          WE DO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO DO THE EXTERIOR PAINTING OF THE TANK. 
          AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE APPROVED 25-54 FOR THE PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$164,158.99. 
          THERE IS A $250,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS THIS PROJECT. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-54. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. 
          OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 9A ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-
25-254. 
          [9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 90-25-254, Public Hearing and First Reading]
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING IT'S AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH
COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO
CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM RM TO COMMERCIAL CM PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          MR. KILLINGSWORTH. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME UP
AND PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          SO GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE RELATED. ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-
25-254, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ORDINANCE 90- 25-255, WHICH IS THE ASSOCIATED REZONING FOR THIS. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS THIS AREA, AND IT'S THE WESTERN 70FT OF 310 MAYPORT ROAD,
AS RESIDENTIAL LOW MEDIUM. THEY'RE REQUESTING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION BE CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL. 
          THE SAME AREA IS REQUESTING A SUBSEQUENT REZONING. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TWO FAMILY TO RESIDENTIAL,
I'M SORRY TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE AREA SHOWN IN OUTLINED IN RED WITH THE BLUE STAR. 
          IT IS PART OF 310 MAYPORT ROAD. CURRENTLY IT IS VACANT AND WOODED. 
          THE THE PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVED COMMISSION APPROVAL IN 2003 TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING MINI
STORAGE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW THREE STORY, GROSS SQUARE FOOT MINI STORAGE BUILDING. IF YOU RECALL,
THIS WAS BEFORE YOU AS AN APPEAL OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION THAT MINI STORAGE IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE BOTH THAT
PROPERTY AND A FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO CONSTRUCT AND REDEVELOP 310 MAYPORT ROAD. 
          THEIR PROPOSED PLAN IS TO HAVE THE BUILDING BASICALLY IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT WHERE IT
IS NOW GO UP THREE STORIES AND PARKING TO THE WEST, 
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WHICH IS THE AREA, THE 70FT THAT IS IN QUESTION TONIGHT. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO THE NORTH,
WEST AND SOUTH HAVE THE SAME DESIGNATION AS RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY. THE ZONING DISTRICT, VERY SIMILAR, FOLLOWS ALONG THE SAME LINES. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TWO FAMILIES IS TO THE NORTH,
WEST AND SOUTH. 
          ALL THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL. 
          THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AGAIN SHOWN IN BLUE THERE. 
          THE RED IS THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION,
AND THE YELLOW IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND HAS A RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WHEN YOU USE GO TO ANALYZE THIS IN 2462C THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD SHALL INDICATE THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED
REZONING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CITY TO PROVIDE FINDING THAT THE REQUEST CHANGE IN THE ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL POLICIES OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT,
BUT A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I'LL SHOW YOU TONIGHT IS POLICY A . 
          1.5.6 IS COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT, AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE LOCATED AND DESIGNED AS
TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS, TRAFFIC FACILITIES AND ESTHETIC CHARACTER OF THE CITY. 
          THERE'S A POLICY A .1.10.4, THE CITY SHALL ACTIVELY SUPPORT APPROPRIATE REDEVELOPMENT AND
INFILL DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAYPORT ROAD CORRIDOR. RETAIL AND SERVICE USES THAT SUSTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENCOURAGE A MORE
ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT SHALL BE ENCOURAGED. 
          NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAYPORT ROAD SHALL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS SET FORTH WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          THE COMMERCIAL POLICY AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION,
WHICH IS POLICY A.1.11.1 GOES ON TO DESCRIBE THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL TYPE USES. WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING POLICY A.1.3 IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
THAT THE CITY SHALL FIND THAT EACH OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE DEMONSTRATED BY THE APPLICANT AND SEEKING THE AMENDMENT,
THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES, THAT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SHALL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT TO
THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OR OTHER PROPERTIES, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, ESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE CITY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A DEMONSTRATED DEFICIENCY OF COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL LANDS WITHIN THE
CITY TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. 
          THIS IS VERY SIMILAR WHEN SAME SIMILAR POLICY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHALL BE
REVIEWED AND EVALUATED BASED ON THE CRITERIA, CONSISTENCY WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
CONSISTENCY WITH THE STATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE NORTH FLORIDA STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY, CONSISTENT WITH ADOPTED POLICIES AND PLANS IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY,
POTENTIAL FOR ADVERSE IMPACTS AND ON ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS OR THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE DEFICIENCIES IN THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          IN CHAPTER 24, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING REZONINGS THERE ARE SEVEN THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD USE
TO RE REEVALUATE IT AND REVIEW IT. 
          AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS. 
          AND THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR THAT I JUST READ OUT OF THE POLICY. 
          THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD DID HEAR THIS ITEM ON MAY 20TH. 
          THEY VOTED. IT WAS A CLOSE VOTE OF 4 TO 3 NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
MAP AND REZONING REQUEST BASED ON THE REQUEST NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT INDUSTRIAL
USES WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO BOTH CASES ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOULD BE REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCOURAGES AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE DENSITY WITHIN ENVIRONMENTALLY
SENSITIVE AREAS, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS, OR VULNERABLE FLOODING. 
          THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND IS NOT IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD OR AND IS NOT VULNERABLE TO FLOODING AND THE REZONING IS PER SECTION 24 - 62 THAT SAYS IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF. 
          SURE. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK AMANDA, WHAT PAGE IS THE THE THE CDB ON THE ON THE AGENDA PACKET. WHERE CAN I FIND THE CDB VOTING FOR THIS PARTICULAR? 
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I AM LOOKING AT. IT DOESN'T SAY WHO THE BREAKDOWN. I DON'T HAVE. PAGE ON I'M ON AGENDA ITEM 
          [9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 90-25-255, Public Hearing and First Reading]
9 B AT THE TOP AND THEN IT'S KIND OF TOWARDS THE BACK. 
          IT SAYS PAGE 4 OF 8. YEAH, I'M ON THE I'M ON THE THE THE SITE VERSION SO I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. 9B YOU SAID. 
          9B AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE, THE, THE BACK TOWARDS THE END OF AGENDA ITEM 9 B THOSE ARE
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD MINUTES. AND IT STARTS OUT ON. MAY 27TH I GOT IT I GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. RIGHT. WHAT I WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR APPROVAL IS WE'RE GOING TO TABLE
FURTHER ACTION ON ORDINANCE 90- 25- 254. AND GO AHEAD AND READ THE ORDINANCE 90 -
25 -255 BECAUSE THAT ORDINANCE IS RELATED. 
          OKAY. SO THE TWO ARE TIED TOGETHER. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL READ THAT,
THEN WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AND AND THEN HEAR FROM OUR APPLICANT AND HAVE OUR OWN DISCUSSION. SO WITH THAT THERE'S NO OBJECTION. 
          WHERE THIS IS 9B OR AND AND I'LL NEED YOU BACK UP PROBABLY AMANDA. 
          BUT THIS IS 9B , ORDINANCE NUMBER 90- 25-255 PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING. 
          AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL,
STATE OF FLORIDA REZONING THOSE LANDS DESCRIBED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO FAMILY RG TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL CG PROVIDING FINDINGS OF FACT REQUIRING
RECORDATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME
UP AND PRESENT THE REZONING. 
          I'LL BE VERY SHORT. I GAVE YOU A DUAL PRESENTATION JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          BOTH ITEMS ARE RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
YOU CAN'T DO THE REZONING WITHOUT IT. 
          SO THE FIRST MUST VOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN VOTE ON THE REZONING. 
          SOMETIMES YOU DO MAKE A MOTION FOR BOTH OF THOSE IN ONE MOTION,
BUT THEY COULD BE TOGETHER OR THEY COULD BE SEPARATELY. 
          BUT THE REZONING CANNOT BE APPROVED UNLESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ON THIS PROPERTY? THIS WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WE APPROVED THE THE STORAGE CENTER IN 23. 
          YES. STAFF'S INTERPRETATION THAT THIS TYPE OF USE WAS NOT PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL
GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT AND COMMISSION DID DID NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S INTERPRETATION. I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE DID THIS. 
          YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? I DO NOT. OKAY. 
          THEN WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD. 
          LET'S SEE. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED A MOTION FIRST,
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          OH. I'M SORRY. WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS EX PARTE. 
          EXCUSE ME. YEAH. IF WE COULD JUST GO AROUND THE DAIS FOR THE REZONING PART IN PARTICULAR,
IF ANYONE'S HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THIS IS THE TIME TO DECLARE IT. I HAVE SPOKEN TO RANDALL WHITFIELD,
WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THIS PARTICULAR REZONING TODAY ON THE PHONE REGARDING WHAT THE PARCEL WAS GOING TO TURN INTO,
THE SETBACKS. 
          I DON'T SEE WHAT HE SHARED WITH ME VIA EMAIL LISTED IN THIS PACKET. 
          BUT HOPEFULLY WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO SHARE,
YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WELL. 
          AND I, I EXCHANGED EMAILS WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. WE'LL PUT THOSE ON THE RECORD. YEAH. I HAVE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT,
RANDALL WHITFIELD AND WE DISCUSSED PRETTY MUCH THIS PRESENTATION AND WHAT WAS BEING ASKED FOR. 
          ANY OTHERS? OKAY. THEY ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ME,
BUT I WAS NOT AVAILABLE, SO I JUST WENT AND TOURED THE SITE. 
          AND IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR IF WE WANT. I KNOW THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN OPEN AND I THINK
ABOUT TO BE CLOSED OR CLOSED, BUT DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE PERHAPS COME UP? AND I'M SORRY, I'M THINKING OF THEM BEING SEPARATELY,
BUT I KNOW THEY WANT TO PRESENT. 
          SO, YES. AT THIS TIME, LET'S INVITE THE APPLICANT AND OR DESIGNATIONS. 
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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, I'M RANDALL WHITFIELD,
REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF 310 BEACH MAYPORT ROAD AND ORDINANCE, BOTH ORDINANCES 90-25-254 AND 90-25- 255, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING. 
          I HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING BEN PERRY OUT OF MY OFFICE,
GABE BOWMAN OUT OF MY OFFICE, MICHAEL TRAINOR, OUR ATTORNEY. BEN HAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PASS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SHOW IT ON THE OVERHEAD, BUT WE COULDN'T DO IT WITH APPARATUS WITH THE THUMB DRIVE THAT WE HAD. 
          BEN, IF YOU JUST PASS THOSE OUT. PLEASE COME. 
          I'M GOING TO USE THOSE TO GO THROUGH MY EXPLANATION AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ADD SOME CLARITY
TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WE'VE OWNED THIS SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOT SINCE AUGUST OF
1991. 
          WE DID NOT BUILD THIS PROPERTY AND WE DID NOT REZONE REZONING ANYTHING IT WAS THERE WHEN
WE PURCHASED IT. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL LOT IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE COMP PLAN,
AMENDMENT AND REZONING. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE OVERALL PROJECT,
INCLUDING THE BUILDING, THE LANDSCAPE SIDE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND MR. TRAINOR WILL ADDRESS THE ZONING AND LAND USE ISSUES. 
          THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO IS PHOTO NUMBER THREE,
THOSE OF YOU HAVE ONE. AND I DID NOT BRING ONE FOR THE CITY CLERK. 
          SO IF ONE OF YOU WOULD GIVE THAT TO THE CITY CLERK SO SHE'LL HAVE THAT FOR A RECORD. 
          IN PHOTO THREE THIS IS OUR EXISTING FACILITY. 
          WE'RE AT THE CORNER OF MAYPORT ROAD AND 3RD STREET. 
          WE HAVE ENTRANTS COMING INTO THE FACILITY OFF MAYPORT ROAD. 
          WE HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT OFF MAYPORT ROAD. 
          WE HAVE OPEN ROLL UP DOORS GOING DOWN WEST ON 3RD STREET AND PARKING IN FRONT OF ALL THOSE DOORS. WE ALSO HAVE DRIVE AISLES WITHIN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE
THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS THERE. 
          AND THOSE DRIVE AISLES ALSO HAVE PARKING. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PROJECT. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW. AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR IS A GREATLY IMPROVED
BUILDING. 
          AND AS WE IMPROVE THE BUILDING, WE'RE ALSO IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPE AND OUR USE OF THE
RESIDENTIAL LOT WILL BE VERY MUCH IMPROVED. 
          I'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO PHOTO NUMBER SIX. 
          THIS IS A GRAPHIC OF THE BUILDING AS WE PROPOSE TO DO IT,
AS BEEN MENTIONED IT'LL BE A THREE STORY CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING. 
          NO EXPOSED DOORS ON MAYPORT ROAD. NO EXPOSED DOORS ON 3RD STREET. 
          WE'RE ELIMINATING THE ENTRANCE OFF MAYPORT ROAD AND THE PARKING OFF MAYPORT ROAD. 
          WE'RE ELIMINATING THE DOORS ON 3RD STREET AND ALSO THE PARKING ON 3RD STREET. 
          THE DRIVE AISLES ARE NO LONGER EXISTING, SO WE HAVE NO PARKING IN THE DRIVE AISLES. 
          THIS BUILDING IS 100% CLIMATE CONTROLLED. WE HAVE ONE POINT OF ENTRY FOR THE SECURITY OF
ALL OF OUR TENANTS THERE. 
          WE HAVE EXCELLENT LIGHTING INSIDE, WE HAVE SOUND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON
WITHIN THE BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL POINTS OF SAFETY EXITS COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING IN CASE THERE'S ANY
ISSUES. 
          THE BUILDING IS FULLY SPRINKLERS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH SAFER FOR OUR TENANTS. 
          AND THERE'LL BE A LESS STRAIN ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
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OUR LANDSCAPING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NATIVE PLANTS,
TREES, GRASS, NATIVE SHRUBS. 
          AND WE THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ADHERING TO AND GOING BY THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR
REVITALIZATION. 
          WE'VE GOT ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, ARCHITECTURAL FACADES AND REDUCED DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING
OFF MAYPORT ROAD. 
          AND AS WE DO THIS, LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PHOTO NUMBER FIVE,
WHICH SHOULD BE THE NEXT ONE. 
          IN PHOTO NUMBER FIVE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE LANDSCAPED ALONG 3RD STREET. 
          THERE'S NO LONGER ROLL UP DOORS IT'S NO LONGER PARKING THERE. 
          AS WE'VE DONE THAT, WE'VE PROVIDED FOR PARKING AND ENHANCED BUFFERS ON THE VACANT LOT THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO REZONE AND DO THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ON. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON NUMBER FIVE, WE'RE DOING A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WILL HAVE A 6 FOOT OPAQUE FENCE,
AND THE LANDSCAPING WILL HAVE TREES WITHIN THAT. 
          ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE'VE GOT A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND AGAIN,
A 6 FOOT OPAQUE FENCE ALONG THAT LINE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. WE ARE ONLY USING ABOUT 60% OF THE LOT FOR
PARKING. 
          THE OTHER 40% IS GREEN AREA TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          ALL LIGHTING WILL BE DOWN FOCUSED LIGHTING SO THAT WE WILL NOT BE SHINING ONTO OTHER
PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. 
          SO AS WE'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE AND WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
AND TO NOT BE AFFRONT TO ANYBODY. 
          SO WE'VE DONE THE LANDSCAPING WE PROVIDED FOR CODE PARKING,
WHERE WE'VE ELIMINATED IT OFF MAYPORT ROAD, WE'VE ELIMINATED IT OFF 3RD STREET. AND SO THAT'S OUR OVERALL PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING
AT. 
          MR. TRAINOR WILL ADDRESS THE ZONING AND LAND USE ISSUES,
AND I'M CERTAINLY AVAILABLE HERE FOR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT I MAY NOT HAVE COVERED. SO I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND TRIED TO BE BRIEF. 
          I WILL ALSO TRY TO BE BRIEF, IF I CAN. I KNOW THAT MAY BE SOMETHING NEW FOR AN ATTORNEY,
BUT I'LL TRY THE BEST I CAN. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I THINK, AS WE POINTED OUT, WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH A SMALL PIECE OF
PROPERTY AND IT ALLOWS US TO DO TWO THINGS AS MR. WHITFIELD SAID, ELIMINATE THE CURRENT ACCESS ON AND OFF OF MAYPORT ROAD AND THE MULTIPLE
ACCESS OFF OF WEST 3RD STREET. 
          IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO PUT SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING,
BOTH ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONT OF MAYPORT ROAD AND THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING ON WEST 3RD STREET. I POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT THE MAYPORT
ROAD CORRIDOR CONTINUES TO BE A STRATEGIC PLANNING PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. WE'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR DESIGN BY BY TRYING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY A
MORE PLEASING AND ENVIRONMENTAL PLEASING, BOTH ON MAYPORT ROAD AND ON WEST 3RD STREET. GO ONE OF YOUR FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT SAYS
THAT IT ENCOURAGES ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WE THINK THIS MEETS THAT CRITERIA. 
          GOAL TWO SAYS IT IMPROVES THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CITY,
WE THINK IT DOES THAT. 
          YOUR PLAN ALSO HAS TWO FURTHER GOALS TO ENHANCE THE ESTHETIC AND PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF
THOSE GATEWAYS INTO THE CITY. 
          THIS IS CERTAINLY A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY, AND WE THINK IT DOES THAT. AND ALSO TO CREATE
AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS VISUALLY APPEALING AND SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. BY TAKING THE ENTRANCE OFF OF MAYPORT ROAD BY TAKING THOSE
MULTIPLE ENTRANCES OFF WEST 3RD STREET. 
          WE THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT GOAL AS WELL. TURNING TO THE STATUS REPORT UNDER A156
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WE'VE CREATED SOMETHING WE THINK DOES 
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NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          IT'S DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, WE THINK, WOULD CERTAINLY IMPROVE THE ESTHETIC CHARACTER AND
PROVIDE A SAFER PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL ALONG BOTH ROADWAYS, POSSIBLY A 10 4 . WE THINK YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTING A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT,
WHICH IS CERTAINLY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND WHICH WOULD PROVIDE A MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. REGARDING POLICY A 10 5 WE DO NOT THINK THIS IS AN
INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL PROJECT OR BUSINESS. IN FACT, IT IS SIMPLY A PARKING AREA. 
          IT PROVIDES A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE FOR THE CITY'S RESIDENTS WHO NEED PERSONAL
SELF-STORAGE. 
          POLICY A 1 11 1 B WE BELIEVE THAT THIS CONTINUES. 
          THIS PROJECT WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THE GROWING NEEDS OF THE CITY'S RESIDENTS AND ITS
CLOSELY SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES FOR PERSONAL STORAGE. 
          WE BELIEVE THIS BUSINESS IS THE LOWEST LEVEL INTENSITY. 
          IT WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          AND AS MR. WHITFIELD SAID, WE'RE USING UNDER ONLY LESS THAN ABOUT 60% OF THE PARCEL FOR
THE PARKING AREA, THE REST OF IT WILL BE LANDSCAPED AND TREED AS A BUFFER AND FENCE. 
          POLICY A 1 111 1F, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION,
AS THE STAFF SAYS, WE'RE ASKING ONLY FOR A LIMITED PARKING AREA. 
          THIS PARKING AREA, WE BELIEVE, WILL PROVIDE ROUTINE PERSONAL STORAGE NEEDS FOR THE CITY'S
RESIDENTS AND IS NOT A HIGH INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. 
          REGARDING THE SECTION A 3 1 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
THERE ARE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES AVAILABLE. 
          IT WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. IN FACT,
WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE AN ESTHETICALLY ENHANCEMENT AND A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. AND THERE IS, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A GROWING NEED FOR THE
SERVICES OF PERSONAL STORAGE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND ITS SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          UNDER POLICY A1 13 4 WE BELIEVE IT DOES MEET THE OVERALL GOALS,
OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE RESIDENTS NEED MORE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE,
AND IT DOES AND IT IS PART OF A MIX OF SHOPPING, WORKING AND LIVING AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. 
          WE BELIEVE THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES ARE AESTHETIC REDEVELOPMENT ALONG MAYPORT ROAD CORRIDOR
ARE BEING MET, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. AND WE DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS ANY NEGATIVE. 
          I THINK STAFF POINT OUT THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE AREAS,
THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR THE ESTHETIC QUALITY OF THE CITY. 
          THESE ARE BASICALLY THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AND FACTORS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN
CHAPTER 24 TO 2 4 TO 68 OF YOUR YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL USE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THERE IS NO INDUSTRIAL USE, BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING AREA. 
          AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY WAY A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ON THE
SURROUNDING AREA. 
          WE WOULD ASK YOU TO APPROVE BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE
REZONING. 
          AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME,
MR. WHITFIELD, OR ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE HERE WITH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR. TRAINOR. I TRIED WAS IT MR. MAYOR WAS IT SHORT ENOUGH AS AN ATTORNEY? VERY WELL DONE. OKAY. OKAY, SO QUESTIONS FOR MR. TRAINOR OR MR. WHITFIELD. OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BY THE WAY,
I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. SURE. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, THAT WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 90 -
25-254, AS WELL AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 90- 25- 255 ON FIRST READING. 
          SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND,
DISCUSSION? YES, COMMISSIONER. I WENT TOWARD THE PROPERTY,
AND IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THIS VERY SAME THING. 
          BUT IF I'M THE THE FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THE NEXT BLOCK TO THE WEST,
I WOULD BE HORRIFIED TO FIND THIS EDIFICE ON MY DOORSTEP AND THAT LITTLE PATCH OF WOODS COMPLETELY REPLACED BY A PARKING AREA. 
          SO I THINK THIS INTRUDES INTO THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IS RESIDENTIAL,
IT IS FAIRLY RESPECTABLE LOOKING. 
          AND ALTHOUGH I AGREE THAT THE THE STORAGE AREA DOES NEED TO BE REVAMPED. 
          I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO EXTEND INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER. WHAT GOT ME ON THIS ONE WAS THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE
BUFFER. 
          [02:15:04]
AND ALSO THE REMOVAL OF THE ENTRY FROM MAYPORT. 
          THAT IS A HEAVY, HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA AND REMOVING THE ENTRY FROM THAT AREA AND PUTTING
IT ON THE BACK DOES MAKE SENSE. AND IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM OR CONGESTION OVER THERE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT WITH THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          AND ON THE SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE WITH THAT ONE SMALL HOME THAT IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO
IT. 
          THEY ALSO PUT UP THERE PUTTING UP A 6 FOOT OPAQUE FENCE,
MAYBE SUGGESTING A HIGHER FENCE COULD HELP WITH THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THAT WOULD BREAK OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR FENCE HEIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT. YEAH. THANKS. SO I APPLAUD THE EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE COMPLEX IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          I'VE RENTED UNITS BEFORE AND SIMILAR TO THE ONE CURRENTLY THERE. 
          AND SO I WOULD CERTAINLY ENDORSE IMPROVING I DO YOU KNOW,
AND I AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER KELLY'S COMMENTS BECAUSE YEAH, THEY DO HAVE A WOODED AREA,
BUT I, I THINK THAT IT'S YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE DONE THERE,
RIGHT? AND THAT WOODED AREA IS GOING TO, GOING TO BE REMOVED. 
          AND I AND IF I LOOK AT THE 20 FOOT BUFFER, YOU KNOW,
LET'S SAY SOME LET'S SAY EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DENY ALL THIS, AND HE SOLD IT. 
          SOMEONE BUILT A HOME THERE. THAT WOULD BE THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET THAT KIND OF VIEW
WITH THE THE TREES AND THE FENCE, THEY PROBABLY GET SOMETHING A LOT LESS THAN THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE YOU STILL KEPT YOUR STRUCTURE ON THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY THAT
YOU HAVE THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          SO THE ONE THING I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, THOUGH,
IS IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT BUILDING HAS, YOU KNOW, MORE PARKING THAN YOU CAN PROBABLY COUNT. 
          AND THIS ONE IS, IS GOING TO BE DO YOU HAVE WELL,
SPEAKING, MY CODE IS THAT, DO WE KNOW? IS THAT ALL THEY NEED? CAN WE SAY WITHOUT WITH CERTAINTY IT HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED FOR
REVIEW. 
          OKAY. SORRY. SO WE I WON'T I WON'T PUSH THAT. 
          BUT I WILL ASK HOW MANY SO YOU GOT, HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU HAVE TODAY IN THE CURRENT THE
CURRENT COMPLEX? PURPOSES OF THE COURT REPORTER AND THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS HERE,
IF WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS, GO THROUGH THE PODIUM AND SOMEONE GET UP TO THE PODIUM,
SOMEONE ANSWER THE QUESTION AND PEOPLE NOT SPEAK OVER EACH OTHER BECAUSE THE COURT REPORTER, I THINK, IS TRYING TO TAKE ALL THIS DOWN. 
          WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THIS? I'D LOVE TO KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE,
IT'S OKAY. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I WILL CERTAINLY GET IT AND TRY TO GIVE ME AN APPROXIMATION
OF HOW MANY UNITS YOU HAVE THERE NOW AND HOW MANY UNITS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE, IN THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED FACILITY? WE HAVE THERE NOW. 
          AND THAT'S A SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS. YEP. AND THE DRIVE AISLES IN BETWEEN THE 2,
THE 3 BUILDINGS, 2 DRIVE OUTS WE HAVE AND I'M APPROXIMATING 250. 
          OKAY. AND THEN IN THE NEW, NEW BUILDING, WE PROBABLY HAVE ROUGHLY 500. 
          OKAY. WELL, OKAY. SO YES, COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. 
          WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I VOTED FOR,
YOU KNOW, BUILDING THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MILITARY TRANSIENTS. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. 
          THE ONLY THING I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS WHEN WHEN WE VOTED FOR THIS LAST TIME,
WHY NOT BRING UP THE PARKING BAN? IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING? DID YOU GUYS GO HEY AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SPOTS. 
          THEY'RE TRANSITORY. RIGHT? PEOPLE COMING ON,
LOAD UP, GO BACK AND FORTH. 
          WAS THERE WAS THERE AN ISSUE WHY YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THE WHOLE THING THE FIRST TIME? THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. WE WEREN'T REZONING WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU BEFORE. 
          WE NEEDED TO THE THE PROPERTY WAS IN DETERIORATING CONDITION. 
          WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 91 I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT EITHER IN THE LATE 70S OR EARLY 80S. 
          IT NEEDED IMPROVEMENT. IT WAS NOT MEETING WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT TODAY. 
          IT DIDN'T HAVE THE SAFETY. IT DIDN'T HAVE THE CLIMATE CONTROL. 
          SO WE CAME IN TO REBUILD WHAT WE HAD BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO
THAT. 
          [02:20:08]
THAT WAS OUR CONCENTRATION AS WE DEVELOPED THE DEVELOPED PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          ONLY IN SCHEMATIC WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR FULL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS,
BUT THE THE NEED FOR THE PARKING BECAUSE WE WERE ELIMINATING PARKING AROSE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD NOT DO IT ON THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE,
THAT IT HAD TO BE A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON . I WOULD JUST UNDERSTAND THE TIMING AND THE UTILITY. 
          CORRECT. SO I'LL JUST THROW MY A COUPLE OF POINTS IN. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IT'S IT IS DEFINITELY NOT AN INTENSIVE USE OF THAT PARCEL,
IT'S IT'S PARKING. 
          WHAT A GREAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL. 
          WHAT REALLY OCCURRED TO ME, THIS WAS THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO KNOW WHEN I SAW THIS COME
UP IS, DID WE HAVE AN OBJECTION BY THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER? AND THEY DID NOT COME AND OBJECT. THEY ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT OBJECTING SO I THINK THAT
CLEARS THE AIR ON THAT. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. I NOTICED WHEN I WAS THERE THERE WAS NO NOTICE,
NO ORANGE SIGN SAYING REZONING IS POSSIBLE. 
          DID DID WE NOTIFY THAT PROPERTY OWNER? AMANDA. 
          I THINK AMANDA WILL ANSWER THAT. BUT THAT'S A VALID POINT. 
          AMANDA ASKEW, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS. YES,
ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300FT WERE MAILED A DIRECT LETTER, AND WE DID POST SIGNS. THERE IS A LOT OF ASPHALT OUT THERE. 
          IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A PLACE TO PLACE THE SIGNS. 
          AND IT COULD ALSO BE POSSIBLE THAT THE SIGNS WERE REMOVED. 
          BUT STAFF DID PLACE ONE ALONG MAYPORT ROAD AND 3RD STREET SINCE IT'S A CORNER PROPERTY. 
          SO I JUST FINISHED MY COMMENTS. I, I JUST CAN'T THINK OF A LESS INTRUSIVE USE OF THAT
PARCEL THAN THIS, THIS PARKING LOT. UNLESS YOU GUYS MESS UP THE LIGHTING. 
          OKAY? DO NOT MESS UP THE LIGHTING. YOU KNOW,
IT'S FUNNY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE LIGHTING ON THAT SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD,
SO I WOULD WELCOME YOUR LIGHTING. 
          BUT DON'T PUT IT IN THE IN THE FRONT WINDOW OR THE SIDE WINDOW OF THE HOUSE TO THE WEST. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S SALIENT TO ME. AND THEN FINALLY IS IT'S LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO,
WE APPROVED THE REZONING OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARCEL AT THE REAR OF OCEANSIDE COLLISION. 
          ONE STREET OVER OR TWO STREETS OVER. IS IT ONE STREET? AND SO WE APPROVED THAT, AND THAT WAS A GOOD USE THERE WITH NO OBJECTION FROM THE
RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR THERE AS WELL. 
          SO WE'RE NOT BLAZING A TRAIL HERE, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS. 
          AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS, I. I REALIZE THESE MEN AND THE COURT REPORTER,
THEY'RE HERE FOR BUSINESS, AND THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE MONEY, AND WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND SO ON. 
          BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE ARE SO BLESSED TO HAVE A QUALITY COMPANY LIKE ATLANTIC STORAGE
BRINGING THIS PRODUCT HERE, AND I, I, I HEAR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS NOW AND SO ON. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT IF THERE'S A CONCERN AS TO THE VIABILITY OF
THIS MUCH STORAGE IN THAT LOCATION ON ON MAYPORT ROAD, I THINK THESE GUYS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AROUND NORTH FLORIDA,
I THINK THEY'VE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK. 
          I BELIEVE THE DEMAND IS THERE FROM THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          SO FOR ME, IT'S IT'S A NO BRAINER. BUT I WANT TO REMIND COMMISSIONER GRANT,
SINCE YOU WEREN'T HERE, WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THEIR BUILDING, THAT'S DONE. 
          THEY HAVE THE ZONING TO BUILD THE BUILDING AS LONG AS THEY CAN ADEQUATELY PROVIDE PARKING. 
          WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY IS ONLY THE REZONING OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          IF I MAY YES. I JUST YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT,
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THEIR ONLY FOOTPRINT IN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD,
WHICH IS ALSO IN ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          SO THEY, YOU KNOW, NEW TO IT, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE A RESPONSIBLE PARTNER. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GOOD PARTNERS. I SHUDDER TO THINK AND AGAIN,
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. 
          BUT I SHUDDER TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. AND WHEN WE CHANGE CODE TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE
CORRIDOR. 
          WE HAVE THE BEST INTENTIONS. BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE FORCED SOMEBODY TO STICK WITH
THAT OLD BUILDING BECAUSE IT COULDN'T BE REPLACED AND PUT BAND-AIDS ON IT FOR DECADES. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR BRINGING A QUALITY PROJECT TO US,
BUT NOW IT'S UP TO US TO, TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO MAKE THAT USE CHANGE. 
          SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON, ON TWO ORDINANCES UNDER ONE MOTION AND THAT IS FOR THE
CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING. 
          [02:25:01]
AND I'M SORRY TO HATE TO INTERFERE WITH ANY SORT OF PROGRESS,
BUT IF WE COULD TAKE TWO SEPARATE VOTES JUST BECAUSE YEAH, JUST BECAUSE THE LAND USE IS TECHNICALLY A DIFFERENT STANDARD,
IT'S A FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD. 
          AND THE ZONING IS A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A,
A COMPACT CRITERIA. 
          SO LET'S JUST TAKE TWO VOTES, MOVE THE FIRST LAND USE AMENDMENT WITH A SECOND VOTE ON
THAT. 
          AND THEN THE THEN WE'VE ALREADY MOVED BOTH OF THEM. 
          YOU WANT ME TO MOVE THEM. YEAH. COULD WE JUST START OVER? ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE UNDER 9A. 
          OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-
25- 254 ON FIRST READING. 
          SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE,
AYE. 
          OPPOSED? NAY. WE HAVE ONE NAY AND FOUR AYES. AND SO THAT MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 9 B. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT ORDER. 
          I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 90- 25-255 ON FIRST READING. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. 
          OPPOSED? NAY. WE HAVE FOUR AYES AND ONE NAY. AND SO THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. WOW. THAT'S THE END OF THE. OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE TO CLOSING COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER. 
          LET'S OH, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY I SKIPPED OVER CITY ATTORNEY,
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          [11.  CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS ]
JUST HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          CITY CLERK. YEAH. WITH IT IN FIVE MONDAYS THIS MONTH,
WE DO HAVE THREE WEEKS IN BETWEEN COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          AND ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT MEETING WILL BE JULY 14TH. 
          I WILL NOT BE HERE, SO WE'LL BE IN GOOD HANDS WITH LADAYIJA. 
          I AM ATTENDING A FACC SUMMER CONFERENCE AND ACADEMY. 
          GOOD. AWESOME. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAST
MEETING BEFORE JULY 1ST. 
          SO JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER ABOUT THE FORM ONE DISCLOSURES YOU STILL HAVE. 
          I'M DONE. SEVEN DAYS TO TO FILE THIS. EVERYBODY DONE? NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. 
          [12.  CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
CITY COMMISSIONER BOLE. NO. OKAY. MR. GRANT. NO. 
          NO. MISS KELLY. NO. OKAY. RING. JUST HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          OKAY. MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          SO I GOT THE QUESTION EARLIER TODAY, SO I'LL JUST SAY IT AND THE WHOLE COMMISSION
QUESTION. 
          THE QUESTION WAS YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO CREATE AN
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ALLOW BATTING CAGES, AND INDUSTRIAL. STAFF HAS DONE THAT. IT WENT TO CDB. 
          THE VOTE WAS THREE THREE. SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          THAT IS NOT THE FINAL DECISION ON IT. THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION. 
          AND IT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AS A FIRST READ IN AN UPCOMING COMMISSION. 
          AND CAN WE CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU'RE CALLING IT A RECOMMENDATION MAYBE THAT'S TECHNICALLY
CORRECT, BUT IT FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS A SPLIT VOTE. IT FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS A TIE VOTE SO
THEREFORE IT WAS A DENIAL. 
          YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL GET READY FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. 
          I GET THE FINAL WORD TONIGHT AND I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS,
BUT I WANT TO MAKE THEM. 
          WE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD SOME WE HAD SOME PASSION THAT CAME THROUGH THAT IT STARTED
TO TURN POLITICAL, AND WE WERE IN A CITY THAT IS A NONPARTISAN CITY. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IS WE DO HAVE A GOOD DIALOG IN
THIS CITY. 
          AND WHAT OCCURRED TO ME FROM WHAT I HEARD, AND IT WORRIES ME,
IS FAILING TO HAVE THAT DIALOG IS WHERE PEOPLE GET SIDEWAYS. 
          THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE START GOING INTO THEIR SILOS AND HATING ANYTHING ABOUT THE OPPOSITION. 
          I HOPE WE NEVER GET TO THAT IN ATLANTIC BEACH,
AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUED CONVERSATION, WHICH I THINK IS RESPECTFUL AND INFORMATIVE AND BENEFICIAL IN THIS CITY AND THAT WE
ALWAYS, ALWAYS RESPECT EACH OTHER. SO I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          IT DIDN'T GET TOO FAR OUT OF HAND. THIS GAVEL IS AVAILABLE IF IT DOES,
BUT FOR FOR NOW, WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD. 
          IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.