NO. NO. OKAY. THAT. IN THAT CASE, THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP DATED MONDAY, JULY 28TH, [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:09] 2025 OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. [1. PUBLIC COMMENT] FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK? WELL, THEN PLEASE COME ON. HAVE YOU SIGNED IN, SIR? ALL RIGHT, I'M TRACY JABOW. I LIVE AT 72 WEST EIGHTH STREET. AND FOR THE ONES THAT KNOW ME, KNOW THAT I DO NOT LIKE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC. I'M HERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE VALUE. AND FOR ME, LIKE WITH DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS AND DEALING WITH PEOPLE IN GENERAL, LIKE WE HAD A SURFER THAT WAS OVER HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO, WHEN HE WAS ONE THAT TRAVELED IN HIS CAR AND HE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. EXCUSE ME. JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT AWARE, THIS IS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. ABOUT THAT. PLEASE PROCEED. SO WE HAD A GENTLEMAN OVER THERE. HE WAS A SURFER. DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH MONEY. LOST HIS KEYS. SO HE'S PARKED OVER THERE, AND HAD NO WAY TO GET ANYWHERE. AND AT THE END OF THAT OFFICER CASSIDY GOT WITH THEM. AND FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS HEART, HE HAD SOME KEYS MADE FOR THIS YOUNG MAN. IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, THAT VAN WOULD HAVE PROBABLY GOT TOWED. HE WOULD ENDED UP WORKING WITH ME IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. THAT'S A $7,000 TO THE TAXPAYER FOR THAT ONE ARREST FOR SLEEPING THERE. THOSE TYPE OF THINGS GO UNNOTICED A LOT OF THE TIMES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RINGING A BELL SAYING, HEY, LOOK AT ME. ANOTHER ONE IS SERGEANT MOORE, IF YOU'VE BEEN AT DONNER PARK OR JORDAN PARK, BEEN ANY EVENTS HE'S ALL THROUGH OUT THERE. SO THE KID, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THIS, BUT ABOUT 80% OF THEM ACTUALLY GREW UP IN THE PARK AND THEY KNOW EVERYBODY. SO IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IN THE PARK, THESE OFFICERS SLIDE IN THERE, TALK TO THEM, AND THEY'RE TRUSTED AND LOVED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A VALUE TOO. LAST WEEK WE HAD A 73 YEAR OLD MOTHER FROM FROM DOWN SOUTH THAT FOUND OUT HER 39 YEAR OLD SON IS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOMELESS AND SCHIZOPHRENIC. SHE CALLS HERE AND TWO OFFICERS MILEY AND RICKY WITHIN TWO DAYS FOUND HIM. REUNITED THEM, THEN GOT THEM WITH ME. SO THE REASON I'M SAYING ALL THIS IS TO ME YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THINGS IN THE FRONT END BACK END. WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS, BUT THE HIRING AND THE MAINTAINING OF THESE OFFICERS HAS A VALUE THAT I DON'T. IT DOESN'T END UP ON ON A SPREADSHEET. RETAINING SOME OF THESE OFFICERS. I MEAN, I'VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS GENTLEMAN HERE SO LONG THAT WHEN IT STARTED, IT WASN'T ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THINGS. SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND, AS PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS, TALKING ABOUT HIRING AND DOING ALL THAT, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CITIZEN HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT THERE IS A VALUE THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR ABOUT IT. AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING EVER ABOUT IT, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL. THANK YOU. MR. JABOW. ANY OTHERS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. [2. TOPICS] MR. KILLINGSWORTH, TOPICS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO TODAY IS THE JULY 28TH, 2025 PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS AUGUST 11TH. IT WILL BE PUBLIC UTILITIES. AND I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT SO FREQUENTLY ECHO IS GIVE THE UTILITY GUY WHAT HE WANTS. BUT HE PAYS HIS OWN BILLS, SO IT'S EASY TO GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS. AUGUST 25TH IS WILL BE A FINAL, HOPEFULLY A FINAL WRAP UP. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE WORKSHOPS SCHEDULED FOR AFTER THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE PRETTY GOOD REVENUE NUMBERS BY THEN. AND WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE BUDGET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ENHANCEMENTS WHICH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS THEY'VE GONE THROUGH. AND, BUT WE'LL HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THE GAP IS. AND AS YOU'VE SEEN, THEY'VE BEEN PRIORITIZED BY DEPARTMENT. WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL OVERVIEW, I MAY GO THROUGH AND THEN PRIORITIZE THEM COLLECTIVELY. AND WE ALSO HAVE A HANDFUL OF COMMISSIONENHANCEMENTS FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT. SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT, IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE IS ENCOMPASSES NINE DIVISIONS ADMINISTRATION, [00:05:06] PATROL, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, PROPERTY EVIDENCE, INVESTIGATIONS, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION OPERATORS, ANIMAL CONTROL, SCHOOL GUARDS, CRIME SUPPRESSION UNIT, FIRE CONTROL AND RESCUE, AND OCEAN RESCUE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE DIVISIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THERE. AND THEN IF WE GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE ARE THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TWO SLIDES THAT ARE THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES. BECAUSE THE FIRE CONTROL AND FIRE RESCUE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A DECLINE. IT'S NOT A DECLINE OF $750,000, BECAUSE THAT'S $750,000. THE CONTRACT'S JUNE TO JUNE. SO ONE QUARTER OF THE YEAR WE WERE ACTUALLY RECEIVED BENEFIT THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN THREE QUARTERS OF THE BENEFIT WILL BE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO I ASKED BRITTANY, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, TO JUST USE THE APPROXIMATION OF 1.5, ONE QUARTER OF THAT TO FILL OUT THAT LAST QUARTER. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL BE YET, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO SHOW WITHOUT IT IS I DIDN'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF MASKING ANYTHING. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE FIRE CONTROL THAT THERE'S A $400,000 DROP THERE? BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THERE'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE ASK FOR POLICE. BUT A LOT OF THAT IS CARS AND DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST. IT'S NOT NEW ITEMS THAT ARE COMING FORTH FROM THE DEPARTMENT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO RUN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DIVISIONS, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE BREAKDOWNS A LITTLE BIT. AND YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE THE SPREADSHEETS THAT WERE IN YOUR INBOX. SO IN ADMINISTRATION WE HAVE PERSONNEL SERVICES. WE HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE CHANGE THERE. WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE HAD A LITTLE MISCOMMUNICATION. SO THE IDEA WAS THAT THEIR STEP PLAN WOULD BE BAKED INTO THE BUDGET. AND THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS A 3% RAISE, WHICH IS WHAT'S BAKED INTO THE BUDGET FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE OPPOSITE. THE 3% IS BAKED INTO THE BUDGET AND THE STEPS NOT. SO THAT'S ABOUT A $42,000 DIFFERENCE. SO THIS WHEN WE GET THE STEP PLAN INTO IT, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $42,000, NOT IN ADMINISTRATION BUT ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ADMINISTRATION IS LARGELY FLAT. THEY HAVE A 11-12% DROP IN A CAPITAL OUTLAY AND OPERATING EXPENSES RATHER THAN THAT'S MOSTLY MOVED FROM MOVING STUFF FROM OPERATING EXPENSES TO CAPITAL OUTLAY. IT ALSO WAS A RESULT OF A DECREASE IN SOME CONTRACTUAL SERVICES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION IS TAKING ON PATROLS. YOU'LL SEE A 10% CHANGE THERE IN TERMS OF SALARIES. SO IT GOES FROM 3.6 TO $4 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE. OPERATING EXPENSES IS A 7% INCREASE. AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY, YOU'LL SEE THE $152,000 THAT IS FOR TWO PATROL VEHICLES. THEY COST ROUGHLY $75,000 APIECE FULLY LOADED. THE INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES DOLLARS IS LARGELY DRIVEN BY PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS. SO THE 17% RAISE THAT THEY GOT LAST YEAR, PLUS THE 30% PER ANNUM, I THINK IS WHAT THEY WENT TO ON THE PENSION RESULTED IN INCREASED PENSION COST TO THE CITY. AND THAT IS LARGELY WHAT YOU'LL SEE, AND YOU'LL SEE IT THROUGHOUT AN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICE CHARGES. AND IT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE INCREASE IN OUR PENSION CONTRIBUTION. SO IF WE GO ON TO THE DETECTIVES AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES HERE. SOME OF IT'S DRIVEN BY SPECIAL PAY AND OVERTIME. BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF IT'S DRIVEN BY THE INCREASE IN PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS. THERE'S ALSO A DECREASE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND THERE'S A DETECTIVE CAR. AND THE DETECTIVE CARS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER THAN THE PATROL CARS BECAUSE AS THE CHIEF SAYS, THEY'RE NOT PURSUIT GRADED. AND HAVING A VEHICLE THAT PATROL USES, WHICH IS PURSUIT RATED. THOSE VEHICLES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE. IF WE MOVE ON TO EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION OPERATORS, YOU'LL SEE THAT [00:10:03] WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OPERATING EXPENSES, OPERATING EXPENSES, THEY'RE BASICALLY FLAT. THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES, IT'S A $700 INCREASE, EVEN THOUGH THE PERCENTAGE CHANGE IS 24.7%. IT'S DUE TO SOME INCREASES IN MEMBERSHIPS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS THEIR OVERALL EXPENSE CHANGES 2.8%, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE 3% COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE THAT WAS BAKED IN. IF WE MOVE ON TO ANIMAL CONTROL HERE, YOU ACTUALLY SEE A DECREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES. THE REASON FOR THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A VACANCY. AND FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, RATHER THAN BUDGETING AT WHAT THE PRIOR EMPLOYEE WAS AT, WE'RE BUDGETING AT THE MIDPOINT, WHICH RESULTED IN A SMALL DECLINE. AND THEN OPERATING EXPENSES ARE BASICALLY STAYING THE SAME. THERE'S A SMALL INCREASE AND THAT COVERS AN INCREASE IN OUR VETERINARY SERVICE CONTRACT. SCHOOL GUARDS THE PERSONNEL SERVICE, THE CHANGE THERE IS BASICALLY 3% AND NO CHANGE IN ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN THIS CRIME SUPPRESSION UNIT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR. AND THESE DON'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, BUT THEIR COST ALLOCATED OUT AMONGST. ARE WE SAVING ALL QUESTIONS FOR THE END? OR YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS WHENEVER YOU WISH. WELL, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL GUARDS. SURE. SO THAT'S NOT OUR POLICE? CROSSING GUARD. THIS IS THE CROSSING GUARDS. THESE ARE THE CROSSING GUARDS. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONLY A 3% CHANGE. AND WE'RE PAYING THEM DIRECTLY. THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH A DCPS. WE PAY THEM DIRECTLY, RIGHT? YEAH. PARDON? THEY ARE. THEY'RE OUR EMPLOYEES. SO ARE THEY EXPECTED TO BE OUR EMPLOYEES? OR DID WE JUST CHOOSE TO MAKE THEM OUR EMPLOYEES? I MEAN, OKAY, SO WE CHOSE TO BECAUSE DCPS WOULDN'T GIVE US WHAT WE WANTED IN CROSSING GUARDS OR WHAT REASONS? SO I'LL LET CHIEF SPEAK TO THAT. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE I'VE STARTED. I'M NOT AWARE THAT DCPS IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CROSSING GUARDS. THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET TO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD WITH THE CRIME SUPPRESSION UNIT. YEAH. FIRE CONTROL. SO YOU'LL SEE. HERE'S THE ONLY OPERATING EXPENSE IS THE JFRD CONTRACT. WE GOT A $750,000 REPRIEVE, BUT AGAIN, ONE QUARTER OF THAT WILL BE THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THEN THE OTHER THREE QUARTERS WILL BE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO NEXT FISCAL YEAR DOESN'T RESULT IN A 750. IT RESULTS IN ABOUT A $400,000 CHANGE. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, PLEASE. REGARDING THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHO MAINTAINS THAT BUILDING JFRD, OR DO WE? OR THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING? CORRECT. SO AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY MAINTAIN EVERYTHING INSIDE THE BUILDING. WE TAKE CARE OF THE OUTSIDE. WHAT ABOUT PLUMBING AC UNITS? THAT IS US. AND AS WELL, THE BAY, FIRE BAY AREAS IS OUR WE SHARE A AC UNIT WITH THE POLICE SIDE AND THE FIRE SIDE. NO, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. BUT IF IT GOES OUT? WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. I DON'T LIKE THAT. I DON'T LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU WANT JFRD TO DO THAT. WHY NOT? THEY DO IT IN ALL THE OTHER STATIONS. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. AND THEN OCEAN RESCUE. YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES THERE. IT'S ABOUT A 15% THAT WE'RE ADDING SOME PERSONNEL AS WELL AS THE HOURLY RATE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A REDUCTION IN OPERATING EXPENSES THAT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT HOPEFULLY, GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO DO MOLD TESTING EACH SEASON. AND THEN THERE WAS A DECREASE IN COMPUTER EQUIPMENT. QUESTIONNAIRE. YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW LIFEGUARD STATION. IS THAT A DECREASE IN OPERATING COSTS OR AN INCREASE IN OPERATING COSTS? I KNOW WHAT WE USED TO HAPPEN. SO WE DID ADD OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR UTILITIES. IT'S A LARGER STATION. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE FIRST YEAR, BUT WE DID ADD A PERCENTAGE, AND I THINK IT WAS AT LEAST A 50 OR 100% INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE INCREASE. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. SO, CHIEF HOW MUCH OF THE PERSONNEL EXPENSES ARE WE BEING REIMBURSED THROUGH OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND $50,000, [00:15:07] BUT I'D BE TAKING A GUESS. SO I THOUGHT WE WERE TO BE REIMBURSED IN FULL. WAS BRITTANY, DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF WHAT OUR REIMBURSEMENT THERE IS? SO. YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK ALL OF US ON THIS DAIS NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE RELATIVE TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S IN PLAY. SO IF I COULD JUST BACK UP ONE SECOND AN ANSWER COMMISSIONER RING'S QUESTION, I BELIEVE THAT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE FIRE SERVICE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ABOUT THE WHO TAKES CARE OF THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO, LIKE PLUMBING, ELECTRIC, AC. THOSE SORT OF ISSUES WOULD BE HANDLED BY CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT MAINTENANCE LIKE PAINTING, TILE WORK, THAT SORT OF THING IS DONE THROUGH JFRD. I THINK THE WAY IT'S WORDED IN THE AGREEMENT IS INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING BELONGS TO THEM. THEIR LIVING QUARTERS, THE KITCHEN AREA, ALL THE THINGS INSIDE AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ARE OPERATIONAL THINGS ATTACHED TO THAT BUILDING? YEAH, I THINK IT'S BASICALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, FROM THE SHEETROCK GOING OUT AS OURS AND EVERYTHING IN FROM THAT IS THEIRS. YEAH. SO THE FIRE ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES INSIDE REFRIGERATORS, TILE, PAINT. THAT'S ALL SOMETHING THEY WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON. RIGHT. I WAS JUST THINKING, IF THE AC GOES OUT, WHO PAYS FOR THAT? AC IS SO EXPENSIVE. THEY ARE. AND WE WOULD BE FRONTING THAT. IN THE WAY WE'VE INTERPRETED THE AGREEMENT. YES. SO HOW OLD IS THE CURRENT ONE? SORRY, I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THE ENTIRE COMMISSION EVEN THOUGH THE FIRE AGREEMENT IS A SEPARATE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FROM OUR MAIN ONE, IT'S OUR EXPECTATION FULLY TO DISCUSS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH RECONSIDERATION OF THE ORIGINAL AND THEN MODIFIED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, LAST MODIFIED 1990, I THINK 1995. WAS IT? YEAH, 95. SO YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN. WE ONCE WE GET IT ALL TOGETHER, WE'LL NEGOTIATE THE FIRE AGREEMENT ALONGSIDE THE REST OF IT. THE IDEA IS JUST TO HAVE ONE ILA NOT GOING TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE ONES TO INCORPORATE WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH FIRE INTO THE OVERALL ILA. YEAH. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE INCLUDED CAPITAL, THOSE $30,000 WORTH OF LAPTOPS, $4,900 OF MOBILE PRINTERS, WE ALREADY COVERED THE TWO PATROL VEHICLES AND THEN ONE DETECTIVE VEHICLE, AND THEN THEY BUDGET A DRY SUIT. I THINK IT'S JUST ONE EVERY YEAR FOR THE OCEAN RESCUE. AND THEN ONE LAPTOP ABOUT VEHICLE RATIO TO PATROLMAN OR TOTAL STAFF. SO WHERE DO WE STAND RIGHT NOW? TODAY, AS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGETED HEADCOUNT? MEANING YOU'VE HIRED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THIS YEAR, BUT YOU'VE LOST A COUPLE. WHERE ARE WE? SO CURRENTLY, WE'VE MADE THE LAST OFFER OF A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT. SO WE WILL BE 100% STAFF. AND THAT PERSON COMES ON, I BELIEVE THE END OF OR BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER. SO WE'RE TECHNICALLY ONE SHORT RIGHT NOW ON THE STREET, BUT WE'VE MADE THAT CONDITIONAL OFFER, SO THEY'LL BE STARTING SOON. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE VEHICLES, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE AT 100%, I UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. YES. ONE MORE. I KNOW, MAYBE I'M GOING BACK A YEAR OR TWO. HOW MANY OF OUR GUYS COMING OUT OF THE POLICE ACADEMY? REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST AND THE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW ON THE OTHER END OF THE PIPELINE? HOW ARE WE DOING THERE? SO COST TO TRAIN OR DIDN'T WE DIDN'T WE PAY FOR SOME PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY ON THE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BECOME ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE OFFICERS? WE DID. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING TO PAY TO GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY, BUT THE OFFICERS WHO WE DID PAY TO ATTEND THE ACADEMY ARE STILL WITH US. THEY'RE GREAT EMPLOYEES. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPECTATION OF LEAVE IN THERE. THEY'RE WORKING OUT VERY WELL. OKAY. HOW MANY OF THOSE DO YOU DO? WE. SO WE HAVE THREE THAT WE HAVE PAID FOR IN THE LAST 3 OR 3 YEARS OR SO. YEAH. THAT'S A WHILE BACK. YEAH. YEAH. GREAT. THANKS. AND THEN IF WE GO ON TO THE CHIEF'S ENHANCEMENTS, IT'S A BOLD LIST. SO HE NEEDS TO REPLACE THE OUTSIDE AIR HANDLER, WHICH IS A $120,000, I DON'T THINK A TIME CRITICAL. RIGHT. BUT IT IS NEEDED. AND THEN WE HAD TALKED TO MR. MAYOR YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER IN THE DAY ABOUT SPEED POLLS. THE CHIEF IS REQUESTING A NEW SPEED DISPLAY TRAILER. THE ONE WE HAVE IS SEEN BETTER DAYS. I DID THE SPEED POLLS COST ROUGHLY $8,000, GIVE OR TAKE. [00:20:07] SO THE ONES THAT HAD, LIKE, THE ONE ON SALE FIRST HAS THE RADAR BUILT IN. BUT WE COULD LOOK AT ADDING 1 OR 2 OF THOSE. SO, CHIEF, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND? YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT TODAY NECESSARILY, BUT THE SPEED POLLS, WHICH MR. KILLINGSWORTH JUST SAID ARE ABOUT 8000 APIECE. MAYBE CLOSER TO TEN. THERE'S BEEN SOME PRICE INCREASES, LIKE, EVERYWHERE. I WANT TO SEPARATE THAT FROM THE DISPLAY TRAILER, BECAUSE THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS A MOBILE UNIT THAT CAN BE DEPLOYED ANYWHERE BUT ON THE SPEED POLLS DO YOU HAVE A BELIEF THAT WE WOULD DO WELL AS A CITY TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE. SO WE TRY AND BASE ALL OF OUR DECISIONS ON THOSE FIXED ASSETS WITH DATA. THE MOST RECENT ONE WE PLACED WAS ON PLAZA DRIVE, AND THE BENCHMARK WE USE IS MORE THAN 10% OF THE VEHICLES ARE GOING TEN MILES PER HOUR OR MORE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. AND WE CAN'T CORRECT IT WITH SOME EDUCATION AND DIRECT ENFORCEMENT. IF WE SEE IT REOCCURRING OVER TIME WE'LL SAY THAT IS A PLACE THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EDUCATION AND A WAY TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC. SO PLAZA DRIVE WAS ONE OF THOSE PLACES. WE DID PUT TWO OF THOSE OUT THERE. SO WE TRY AND BASE IT ON DATA AND SOME EFFORTS YOU KNOW, WITH OFFICERS FIRST BEFORE WE DO THAT. WELL, THE PLAZA DRIVE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, THERE'S A CERTAIN MOTORCYCLE COP THAT THAT DOES PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION. BUT IT THIS MAY NOT BE FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO HEAR IF THERE IS GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE. IF YOU COULD PUT THAT IN YOUR CALENDAR TO TRY TO DO A LITTLE CHECKING ON THAT FOR THE FUTURE. AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT THIS YEAR, BUT MY SENSE IS THAT WE MIGHT COULD USE A FEW MORE. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S NOT ON THIS SLIDE IS SO THE POLICE HAVE BOTH A STEP PLAN, WHICH VARIES ANYWHERE BETWEEN ABOUT 2% TO 7%. RIGHT, CHIEF? AND SO THAT DEPENDS ON THEIR TIME AND SERVICE AND WHAT GRADE THEY'RE IN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THEN THERE'S THE COST OF LIVING RAISE. SO WHAT'S NOT ASSUMING THAT THE STEP PLAN GETS ROLLED IN WHICH IT WILL BE BY THE NEXT PRESENTATION? AND THE 3% ROLLED OUT IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO HAVE BOTH THE STEP AND THE 3%, I WILL TELL YOU THAT NEPTUNE BEACH IS DOING THREE AND A HALF. JACK'S BEACH, I THINK, IS STILL WAITING ON THEIR, THEY'RE DOING A SALARY SURVEY. WE'RE TWEAKING THAT GET ACCESS TO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY UNIONS, SO NOW IT'S NOT PROTECTED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT JSO IS DOING? I BELIEVE THEY JUST NEGOTIATED THEIR NEXT THREE YEAR CONTRACT, AND THEY ARE GOING TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THERE WAS THERE WAS A RAISE THIS YEAR. I THINK THEY'RE DOING FIVE AND FIVE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. SO ON TOP OF THEIR STUFF, CORRECT. THEY HAVE A SIMILAR STEP PLAN TO OURS. THE PAY IS VERY CLOSE TO PARITY WITH OURS. BUT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY NEGOTIATED THEIR CONTRACT LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE TWO MORE YEARS GOING FORWARD. THERE WILL BE 5% RAISES EACH ONE OF THE YEARS AFTER THIS. SO HANG AROUND FOR THIS. SO I'M STILL NOT CLEAR. LAST YEAR'S REGULAR RAISE THAT WE APPROVED WAS HOW MUCH? SEVEN? WAS ABOUT 17. 17.5 OR 17. AND THEN IF WE TAKE AN AVERAGE FROM THE STEP OF, WHAT, 4%? NO, WE MOVE THE WHOLE. SO THE 17% MOVE THE WHOLE SCALE. RIGHT. THAT WAS THE TOTAL COST DIFFERENCE. SO WITH THE STEPS THAT ARE BUILT IN. YES. AND THE PERCENTAGE RAISE AND I APOLOGIZE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PERCENTAGE RAISE WAS. THAT TOTAL WAS 14 OR SORRY WAS 17. SO THAT'S 17. AND THEN IF WE WERE TO DO THIS YEAR'S REQUEST, WHICH IS SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THE OFFICER FALLS IN THE STEP PLAN. BUT IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 2% TO I THINK THE TOP END IS 7% PLUS THE RAISE PLUS THE 3% COST. SO IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM A FIVE TO A 10%. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER. SURE, SURE. SO WE GOT TWO ISSUES GOING ON HERE. ONE IS WE HAVE TO ANALYZE HOW WE STAND IN THE COMPETITIVE MARKETPLACE. AND I KNOW IT'S WORK, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A MATRIX AGAIN. AT LEAST WHAT WE KNOW, WE CAN'T PUT DOWN WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE. CERTAINLY RECAPPING WHERE EVERYBODY IS BEFORE THEIR BUDGET CHANGES. AND THEN TRY TO PLUG IN SOME ASSUMPTIONS TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO GIVE OUR OFFICERS A 20% RAISE, [00:25:09] BUT WE ALL KNOW IF WE DID THAT TOO MANY YEARS IN A ROW, WE WOULD WE WOULD EITHER ELIMINATE THE REST OF THE BUDGET OR WE'D BANKRUPT THE CITY. SO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THIS AND WHAT'S SUSTAINABLE. COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOOKS AT THE SAME THING IN MY BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A GREEN BOOK. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, RIGHT, PROJECTED SOMEBODY THAT PICKS UP 3% IS BASICALLY STAYING EVEN. RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMER. SO THEY ALSO GO OUT FIVE YEARS RIGHT. AND CONTRACTING. SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT LEAST THE SPECIAL. BUT I THINK THE THING TO REMEMBER IS A 4% RAISE. I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT'S A 1% INCREASE IN YOUR RAISE OVER THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR THAT NEXT YEAR. NO, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE HAVE THIS OTHER THING CALLED STEP RIGHT. AND THAT'S ALL IT'S ALL MONEY. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M JUST SAYING. YEAH. YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT ALL IN TOTAL. LIKE KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY HAS STATISTICS AND NUMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT AND FLORIDA NUMBERS. WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT, BUT I WILL NEVER, EVER MISS THE POINT THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T MUCH MATTER WHETHER WE'RE RIGHT OR WRONG ON THAT. IF NEPTUNE AND JACK'S BEACH ARE PAYING A LOT MORE THAN WE'RE AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE. IN TERMS OF THE BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU APPLES TO APPLES. YEAH. I'M WRONG. YEAH. IN TERMS OF THE STEP PLAN BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE BEGINNING AND ENDING SALARIES ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL TRYING LIKE OUR STEP PLAN INCENTIVIZES TRIES TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO STAY WHEN THAT WHEN THEY REACH THAT DECISION POINT HERE OF IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MOVE OR GO RIGHT. THAT'S AND THAT AND FOR US THAT YOUR POINT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN JSO OR JACK'S BEACH? THAT'S CORRECT. OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS, WE'VE SEEN THAT TREND WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NEPTUNE BEACHES KEPT PACE. AND JACK'S BEACH WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO HAS KEPT PACE. ALSO, THE TARGET WAS TO ENTICE OFFICERS TO COME AND STAY AT LEAST FOR 5 TO 6 YEARS, GET THEM PAST THAT 5 TO 6 YEAR MARK. SO THAT'S WHEN THE HIGHER SALARIES IN THE FRONT END CAME IN. WE SAW SHERIFF'S OFFICE DO THAT LAST YEAR, INCREASE THEIR STARTING PAY TO 62 AND THEN $65,000 THIS YEAR. SO THEY'RE INCENTIVIZING THOSE YOUNGER OFFICERS TO COME TO WORK AND THEN GET THEM TO STAY AND INVEST IN THE AGENCY. THAT HAS SEEMED TO WORK FAIRLY WELL FOR NEPTUNE BEACH. IT'S WORKED WELL FOR US IN THE PAST THREE OR SO YEARS WE'VE DONE THIS. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE FORMULA THAT THAT WORKS RIGHT NOW. OUR STEPS ARE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT NEPTUNE AND JACKSON JSO DO. AS FAR AS HOW FAST WE GO UP IN THOSE FIRST YEARS. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO SMOOTH IT, BUT MR. KILLINGSWORTH IS RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE ISN'T QUITE AS IMPORTANT TO ME. THE STARTING PAY IS IMPORTANT. SO WE CAN ATTRACT OFFICERS AND GIVE THEM A TARGET AT THE END TO GO. HEY, LOOK, WE'RE AT PARITY. BY THE TIME YOU HIT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR LAST YEAR WORKING HERE, BEFORE YOU GO START THINKING ABOUT RETIREMENT. AND THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE VERY CLOSE. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US COMPETITIVE. WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN SORT OF DICTATES WHETHER WE CAN KEEP THEM OR NOT. IF THEY IF SOME OF THE YOUNGER OFFICERS DECIDE, HEY, LOOK, IF I CAN MAKE $10,000, $15,000 MORE IN THE FIRST 3 OR 4 YEARS, I MAY CHOOSE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT PARITY IN THE MIDDLE. THE ONE OTHER KEY FACTOR FOR US TO REMEMBER IS OUR OFFICERS WORK 21 TO 84 HOURS IN A YEAR INSTEAD OF 20/80. SO WE WORK 104 HOURS MORE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, YOU HAVE TO SORT OF BACK INTO, OKAY, WHAT'S THE HOURLY RATE? BECAUSE WE WORK 104 HOURS MORE IN A YEAR. WHEN YOU DO THAT MATH, WE COME VERY CLOSE TO JSO OR JUST UNDER WHAT THEY'RE MAKING. SO OUR OUR ANNUAL NUMBERS STARTING AND ENDING SALARY ARE CLOSE, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE MATH BACKWARDS BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS DO WORK MORE HOURS IN A YEAR. OKAY. YES. RIGHT ALONG THIS SO I'M GOING TO THROW YOU A SOFTBALL CHIEF. OKAY I COME, I THINK I GOT INTO THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE PENSION FUND ETCETERA, ETCETERA. WHAT'S YOUR VIEW RIGHT NOW OF HOW WE'RE OPERATING THE PENSION FUND AS FAR AS PERCENTAGE AND WHAT YOU GUYS SEE. SO ODDLY ENOUGH, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST 3 OR 4 YEARS OF THE YOUNGER OFFICERS WHO ARE COMING IN ARE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. WE DIDN'T USED TO SEE THAT THE YOUNGER OFFICERS WERE ASKING ABOUT BENEFITS AND PENSION MULTIPLIERS AND WHEN THEY VEST. SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. NOW, THE STATE OF FLORIDA WENT BACK TO WHAT THEY HAD BEEN DOING BEFORE OFFERING THE PENSION, THE 2.75, I THINK, MULTIPLIERS THEY'RE USING NOW. SO THAT MULTIPLIER IS IMPORTANT. THE NUMBER OF YEARS OF VESTING IS IMPORTANT. SO THAT IS A FACTOR IN RETAINING OFFICERS ATTRACTING AND RETAINING OFFICERS. SO WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SURE. AND ACTUALLY HAVING A PENSION IS A GREAT WAY TO ATTRACT OFFICERS. NOW THE AGENCIES WHO HAVE 401K'S ARE HAVING A LITTLE HARDER TIME. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WENT BACK TO THE PENSION, OF COURSE, BECAUSE NOW UNDER FRS SO ATTRACTING OFFICERS AND RETAINING IS THAT'S A FACTOR [00:30:08] THESE DAYS. IT DIDN'T USED TO BE AS IMPORTANT, BUT THE YOUNGER GENERATION COMING AS MORE EDUCATED AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT LONGEVITY IN THAT. I THINK YOU HAD A PRETTY GOOD YEAR LAST YEAR. WE DID HAVE A GOOD YEAR LAST YEAR. I WILL SAY THIS RIGHT NOW. I'D SAY THIS OVER MANY YEARS. WE HAVE A GREAT CREW OF OFFICERS WORKING HERE. I WOULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED AT THIS POINT IN MY CAREER THAT I'VE BEEN CHIEF, BUT BE THAT I WOULD HAVE SO MANY OUTSTANDING, GREAT OFFICERS HERE THAT I JUST, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE WERE SO BLESSED. WE RETAIN THEM FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE BENEFIT PACKAGE AND THE PARITY IN PAY. AND NO ONE RIGHT NOW IS TALKING ABOUT LEAVING. IN FACT, WE ARE RECRUITING OFFICERS FROM LARGER AGENCIES. WE'VE RECRUITED OFFICERS, NOT JUST THE RETIRED GUYS. WE RECRUITED OFFICERS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM POLK COUNTY. IN A FEW MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE TWO OFFICERS HERE FROM POLK COUNTY. TWO OFFICERS FROM POLK COUNTY. WE'VE HAD OFFICERS COME IN FROM OUT OF STATE, FROM OTHER AGENCIES. THEY WERE WORKING FOR POLICE AGENCIES OUT OF STATE AND ARE COMING TO WORK HERE. SO THAT SAYS SOMETHING FOR THE AGENCY. BUT HONESTLY, IT SAYS SOMETHING FOR THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO GO. I CAN LOOK AT THE PAY AND EXPECT, I KNOW WHAT I WILL MAKE AND I CAN SUPPORT MY FAMILY. I CAN PUT MY KIDS THROUGH COLLEGE AND I THINK I CAN STAY HERE. SO WE HAVE A GOOD MIX OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'VE HAD IN PAST YEARS. I KEEP HARPING, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 34 YEARS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE 34 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'LL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I'LL ASK ANOTHER ONE. HOW CAN WE HELP? OKAY. I UNDERSTAND PAY AND STEP AND, YOU KNOW, PENSION. THAT'S GOOD. BUT ARE THERE INTANGIBLES OR ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE AS A COMMISSION CAN DO? SO WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR OFFICERS. I THINK THE MESSAGE YOU SEND THEM FROM THE DAIS ABOUT HOW VALUED THEY ARE HAS BEEN GREAT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, BECAUSE YOU'VE SUPPORTED THEM. YOU'VE ENTERTAINED THE REQUESTS FOR THE PENSION ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION. THAT GOES A LONG WAY. NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING FROM THAT, BUT THEY'RE SEEING THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE IN THE FACT THAT LONG TERM EMPLOYEES ARE GOOD. YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THEM WHENEVER YOU CAN AFTER THEY RETIRE HERE. THEY WANT TO STAY AS A TEAM MEMBER AND INVEST. THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO MANAGE THE AGENCY THE WAY WE WE SEE IT GOING FORWARD AND BEING SUCCESSFUL. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS WITH PERSONNEL. I'M GOING TO PITCH THIS NOW, RIGHT? MAYBE A BAD TIMING. WE GAVE UP ONE POSITION A FEW YEARS AGO TO TRY AND HELP WITH SOME IT EXPENSES. WE'RE BACK TO FULL STAFF VERY SHORTLY. HONEST ANSWERS. I'LL BE COMING BACK SOMETIME IN THE NEXT YEAR TO ASK FOR THAT 34TH POSITION BACK. IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST PUTTING OFFICERS IN THE STREET. KEEPING THEM HERE IS GREAT WHEN WE GIVE THEM THE PAY, THE PARITY PAY. BUT THEY WANT THE POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT. SO WITH 34 OR EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY 36 OFFICERS, WHAT I CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE TIME OFF, AND NO ONE HAS TO COVER THEM IN THE OVERTIME. I CAN HAVE MORE THAN JUST ONE OFFICER OFF AT A TIME. IT ALLOWS ME TO EXPAND SOME SPECIALIZED UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IN THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THIS TO GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY FOR CAREER ENHANCEMENT. THEY WANT TO DO THINGS BESIDES JUST BE A PATROL OFFICER ANSWERING CALLS ON THE STREET. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH CID AND INVESTIGATIVE POSITIONS HAS TO DO WITH SPECIALIZED UNITS LIKE TRAFFIC. IF I CAN OFFER THEM THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND SOME CAREER GROWTH, I CAN ENTICE THEM TO STAY AT AN AGENCY WITH 34 OFFICERS FOR A CAREER. THEY LIKE IT HERE. THEY ENJOY BEING PATROL OFFICERS. BUT LET'S FACE IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A 20 YEAR PLUS CAREER HERE AS A PATROL OFFICER RIDING THE STREET, IT TAKES A SPECIAL PERSON TO DO THAT. AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME DIFFERENT THINGS IN BETWEEN. SO WITH THOSE NUMBER OF OFFICERS AND IN MY DEPARTMENT, I CAN OFFER THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO WORK IN CID ON A ROTATION. I CAN OFFER THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO WORK ON A TRAFFIC UNIT FOR A FEW ROTATIONS, AND THEY GET TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND THAT ALSO TRANSLATES INTO RETAINING OFFICERS, RIGHT? I'M NOT JUST GOING TO SIT AND RIDE AROUND THE STREETS OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR 22, 23, 24, 25 YEARS. I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND I'M GETTING THE PAY THAT I CAN SUPPORT MY FAMILY WITH. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THEM, TO HAVE THEM, TO SEE YOU SUPPORTING THOSE IDEAS, TO PERPETUATE THE IDEA OF HOW WE STRUCTURE THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEY'RE GETTING THE PAY THAT THEY CAN, OF COURSE, SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY WITH. THANKS. STAND BY. CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR? OKAY. WELL, IT SAYS FOUR ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. SO OKAY, I'M GOING TO START AT THE BOTTOM AND KIND OF WORK BACKWARDS. SO THE FIRE AND RESCUE I SEE THAT THIS IS ONLY A $320,000 [00:35:08] DECREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. WE SAVE 750. WE CAN'T PUT ALL OF $750,000 INTO THIS BECAUSE PART OF IT IS IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. OKAY, BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE QUARTER. SO IF I TAKE THREE FOURTHS OF 750, THERE'S A BUNCH OF MONEY BEING SPENT HERE THAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. THAT'S BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR A QUARTER NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THAT $750,000? YES. SO FOR NOW, FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES, I TOOK ONE QUARTER OF THE 1.5 MILLION. YES. AND ADDED THAT. OH, OKAY. JUST SO THAT WE HAD A NUMBER. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS. SO I'LL GO BACK AND DO MY MATH BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT IN MY HEAD HERE. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME COST INCREASES HERE THAT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. DON'T THINK SO. IT'S ALL THAT BRILLIANT. OH, SO WE'RE PAYING. WE'RE PAYING BY A THIRD OF A ONE THIRD OF A YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO ONE QUARTER OF A YEAR. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL DO MY OWN ANALYSIS LATER. ANIMAL CONTROL. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. TELL ME WHY WE'RE GOING DOWN ON ANIMAL CONTROL ONE MORE TIME. SO WE LOST AN EMPLOYEE? YES. OH, AND THE NEW ONE WOULD TAKE IN MIDPOINT, RIGHT WHERE? SO THEY WERE OUT OF SIGHT. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. SO WE HAD BUDGETING THAT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN ANIMAL CONTROL. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT THAT. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND AGAIN WHAT'S NOT EMBEDDED IN HERE. WE DID EMBED THE STEP COSTS, BUT WE DID NOT EMBED THE 3%. IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE THE 3% WAS EMBEDDED. THE STEP WASN'T EMBEDDED. THAT'S ABOUT A $42,000 DIFFERENCE. SO THIS IS IF WE'RE EMBEDDING IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THIS WITH THE STEP IN IT, WHICH IS THE WAY I MEANT TO SHOW IT, YOU WOULD ADD $42,000 TO THE 8.6. SHOULD THAT BE ANOTHER 5% BASED ON THE NUMBERS. FIVE PERCENT. SO IF THAT'S ANOTHER 5%, THEN THIS PERCENTAGE CHANGE IS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO OR RIGHT AT 8%, NOT 2.9. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YES. KIND OF A MACRO QUESTION PROBABLY FOR YOU. DHS ICE BUDGET HAS INCREASED BY, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU BY A FACTOR OF ALMOST TEN COMING UP. THEY'RE, LARGER THAN THE FBI, SUBSTANTIALLY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY GRANTS OR ANY MONEY OUT THERE BECAUSE ESTIMATES IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW ARE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. I'M JUST YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MATH OF HOW MANY WORKERS, THE SCOPE AND EVERYTHING, ARE THERE ANY GRANTS OUT THERE OR ANYTHING THAT WE COULD TAP INTO? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. AND WE WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CHIEF. ARE YOU SAYING SALARY RELATED? ANY ANYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD. EQUIPMENT, ANYTHING. THEY ARE THEY. NO, NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT IMMIGRANTS. IT'S THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. OKAY. LOOK AT LOOK AT THE BILL THAT JUST PASSED. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE ESTIMATES THAT THEY CAN'T SPEND THIS MONEY IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING OUT THERE. LIKE WE LOOKED FOR GRAVES EVERYWHERE ELSE. WE LOOKED FOR GRANTS ALL THE TIME. JUST CURIOUS. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY BIG POT OF MONEY MATERIALIZED. I MEAN IT'S PRETTY NEW. I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I WAS KIND OF HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT I GET A TENFOLD INCREASE IN THE BUDGET, BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT CORRECT. NO. BEING DEFUNDED AND WE'RE POTENTIALLY A BIG CONSUMER OF FEMA SERVICES. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT THEY COULD IT COULD BE US NEXT. SO, CHIEF, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND ON A NUMBER OF GRANTS AND REQUESTING THEM. DO YOU HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON THAT DOES THAT? HOW DO YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH TIME TO INVEST IN DOING YOUR OWN GRANT REQUESTS. SO WE LOOK AT THE COST BENEFIT. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A FEW OF THE LIKE THE FDOT GRANTS FOR SOME TRAFFIC SAFETY THINGS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF OUR AGENCY AND THE NUMBER OF CRASHES WE HAD, WE ONLY QUALIFIED FOR A SMALL PERCENTAGE THEY WERE OFFERING. IT SOUNDS GOOD. WE'LL PAY YOUR OVERTIME. WE'LL PAY YOUR ALL THESE OTHER ASSOCIATED COSTS WHEN YOU DO THE MATH BACKWARDS. IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE PROBABLY FOR US TO MANAGE THAT GRANT LONG TERM THAN DOLLARS WE WOULD GET IN. TYPICALLY WE PARTICIPATE IN WHAT USED TO BE THE BURN GRANT. IT'S THE JAGC, JAG COUNTY WIDE GRANT. THAT'S ABOUT 100. [00:40:05] TAKE THIS BACK. ABOUT $60,000 A YEAR ISH. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER SMALLER GRANTS THAT WE WE PARTICIPATE IN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LARGE THAT RELATED TO DHS AND ICE. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY. WE COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOUP SOME COSTS IF WE PARTICIPATED IN ANY ICE TASK FORCE OPERATIONS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT LAST OR A FEW MONTHS AGO. BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK WITH THEM YET TO ASK FOR THAT TIME BACK FROM THE STATE? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A FINAL COMMENT ON THE GRANT THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD REALLY, HONESTLY SAY THAT WE ARE BETTER, THE SAME OR WORSE THAN OUR PEERS OF SIMILAR SIZED CITIES IN OBTAINING GRANTS. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT, AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME, THE ABILITY TO PROCURE GRANTS IS LIMITED BASED IN OUR CASE, IT'S LIMITED, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO MATCH THEM. BUT IT'S LIMITED BASED ON HAVING THE PEOPLE RESOURCES TO APPLY. AND THEN FOLLOW UP ON THEM. BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED WITH AI. AND I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK TO THOSE SMARTER PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING AI TO FACILITATE REQUESTS. AND THEN WHETHER WE MIGHT BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOMEBODY, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SALARY. SOMEBODY THAT COULD ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THAT. AND I'M JUST STARTING THE CONVERSATION. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TOO MUCH. STATISTICALLY I THINK IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF OUR CITY AND THE GRANTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, LET'S SAY THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YES, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOVE THE AVERAGE. I YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK BILL IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MONEY, TOTAL MONEY THAT THE CITIES RECEIVE FROM GRANTS OF A CITY, 13, 14,000 PEOPLE. WELL, WE'RE I THINK WE'RE ABOVE. SO IF YOU SAID THAT EXCLUDING THE COVID YEARS, THAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT I CAN'T TELL ANYTHING OUT OF THE COVID YEARS, BECAUSE AT THE TIME I WAS RUNNING BEACHES, HABITAT AND I GOT A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE WOULD NOT GET TODAY. RIGHT. AND SO DID THE CITY. SO JUST OPENING THE CONVERSATION. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY MANAGER? OKAY. HEARING NONE. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.