Jul 28, 2025 Commission Meeting

>> MAYOR. ON BEHALF OF THE GRATEFUL CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, CONGRATULATIONS, CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION.

>> SIR.

>> BUT LET ME HOLD THIS FOR A SECOND.

I WANT YOU TO SHOW THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A PHOTO WHERE WE STAND RIGHT HERE IS FINE. COME ON IN.

>> HELLO. I'M JEANNIE GRACY, A NEW MEMBER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS, WHICH WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT.

>> NEXT SPEAKER.

>> JEANNIE GRACY.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. I'VE LIVED IN ATLANTIC BEACH ABOUT 40 YEARS, AND I ALSO AM A VOLUNTEER AT THE ELECTION POLLS 1307.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN TEACHERS IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BOTH RETIRED.

WE HAVE THREE KIDS GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND ARE ALL WORKING NOW.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO UPDATE SOME OF YOU ON WHAT THE ESC IS DOING RECENTLY.

WE HAD COMMISSIONER GRANT AT OUR LAST MEETING IN JULY.

WE WANT TO THANK HIM FOR GOING.

HE WENT AND STAYED WITH US A WHOLE HOUR AND GAVE US TIME.

WE DISCUSSED WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE KEEPING TREES AND PROPERTY OWNERS LAND AND YARDS, NEW AND OLD HOMES, TALKED ABOUT A WORKSHOP FOR DEVELOPERS TO DISCUSS AND LEARN ABOUT OUR CITY AND HOW TO KEEP MORE TREES POSSIBLY.

THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR YOUR WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO BEAUTIFUL ATLANTIC AND SEMINOLE ENTRANCES AND WORK ON HOWELL PARK.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MOTIONS PASSED AT THE ESC MEETINGS RECENTLY.

WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THEM.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CHAPTER 23.

SOME CHANGES WERE MADE.

THE ELDER TREE CAMPAIGN, THE EDIBLE ORCHARD, PLANNING TO THE COMMISSION WILL COME TO YOU SOON.

UPCOMING ACTIVITIES, WE HAVE THE ESC MEMBER AMY FRANQUI IS HAVING A SPEAKER SERIES IN SEPTEMBER THROUGH NOVEMBER FOCUSED ON FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING.

OUR NEXT TREE GIVEAWAY, 10/26/'25, BE THREE SPECIES, LIVE OAK, CEDAR, HOLLY TREES.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO PROMOTE THIS GREAT EVENT, AND WE WILL PARTNER WITH LOCAL SCHOOLS.

THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON AT THE ESC, BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME I DON'T THINK TO TELL YOU, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS TIME YOU'VE GIVEN ME AND FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

>> MS. GRACY, COME BACK TO THE MICROPHONE.

THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING.

SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW, MS. GRACY IS ONE OF, I THINK THE LAST THREE NEWEST MEMBERS ADDED TO THE ESC, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A HAZING THING THAT THEY'RE DOING TO YOU TO MAKE YOU PRESENT.

>> GOOD COMMUNICATION.

WE FIND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> WELL, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, ACTING OR FILL IN CITY ATTORNEY.

>> NEXT SPEAKER.

>> MITCH REEVES.

[LAUGHTER] WELL, THE OTHER ONE'S PROBABLY ON A NICE TRIP TO KEY WEST OR SOMETHING.

>> IF ONLY.

>> I'M NOT HERE TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, SO YOU'RE OFF THE HEAT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE FORGET, AND I JUST WANT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK THAT HAS BEEN ON MY MIND SINCE 2015.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

EARLY ON IN 2015, MAYBE LATE 2014, UNDER MAYOR WOODS, SHE WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WITH MAYOR CURRY AND WORK WITH THE NEW COUNTRY CLUB.

AT THAT TIME, PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE, BUT THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF WAS IN JACKSONVILLE,

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IT WAS NOT IN ATLANTIC BEACH AT THAT TIME, SO THE PROCESS MOVED FORWARD, AND THEN WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE IN 2015, I FOUND THAT THE PROCESS HAD NOT BEEN TOTALLY COMPLETED BY THE CITY, SO I GOT SOME SOME JACKSONVILLE'S ATTORNEYS INVOLVED, WE COMPLETED THE ANNEXATION OF THAT GOLF COURSE.

WHAT I REGRET, AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BRING UP TO YOUR ATTENTION, I REGRET THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE IT FURTHER.

I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT WE WANTED TO GET THAT COMPLETED BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER DEADLINE, THEY ARE AGREED TO IT, AND WE DID IT.

IT'S BEEN SIGNED OVER. IT IS ATLANTIC BEACH.

ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT WHEN YOU GO DOWN MAYPORT ROAD, FROM DUNTON, THE RACETRACK, TO THE FIRST SUBDIVISION IS JACKSONVILLE, THAT SMALL AREA.

DON'T HOLD ME TO IT. I THINK THERE'S FIVE OR SIX COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, NO RESIDENCE, NONE WHATSOEVER LIVING THAT I KNOW OF.

WHAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS THIS.

WHAT WE FAILED TO DO AND WE SHOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER, AND I THINK MAYOR CURRY AND THAT ADMINISTRATION, I THINK MAYOR DEEGAN WOULD ACCEPT IT TODAY, IF WE'D ASKED, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THREE BLOCKS, AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT THREE BLOCKS ANNEXED, THEN FROM DUNTON IT MAKES LIFE A LITTLE EASIER, THAT ON MAYPORT ROAD, ALL THE WAY ON THE EAST SIDE, ALL THE WAY TO FLEET LANDING IS ATLANTIC BEACH.

JUST CLEARS UP SOME HOMEWORK.

REAL QUICK. LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THAT HAPPENED TOO.

EVERYBODY IN THERE HAS, INCLUDING MAYPORT, BECAUSE WE'VE REPORTED SOME THINGS OUT OF THE CITY TO TRY TO GET SOME ENFORCEMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT JACKSONVILLE, EACH DEPARTMENT IS SO CONFUSED, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE RUN INTO THIS BEING WITH THE PLANNING, WHEN PEOPLE CALL THEY GO, ZIP CODE, YOU'RE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

IT'S NOT ME, YOU GOT TO CALL THEM.

WELL, THAT HAPPENED WHEN MAYPORT CLOSED THE MAYPORT POST OFFICE, AND THE POST OFFICE INSTEAD OF JUST KEEPING THAT ZIP CODE, THEY TOOK EVERYBODY AND MOVED THEM TO 32233, SO EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA IS ATLANTIC BEACH, IS VERY CONFUSING.

IT'S SAD, BUT IT'S CONFUSING. I GET IT.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE IF WE MOVE PROCESS THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASY TO DO, AND I THINK MAYOR CURRY, I THINK HE WOULD AGREE IF I BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM NOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT I THINK MAYOR DEEGAN WOULD BE POSITIVE ABOUT THAT.

IT'S A SMALL AREA, AND IT JUST CLEARS UP EVERYTHING.

BECAUSE IF YOU GO OVER THERE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS AT THE RACETRACK, OR THE PLACE NEXT DOOR IF THE BURGLARY HAPPENS, THEY'RE ALWAYS DOING ENFORCEMENT IN THAT AREA, SO IT JUST CLEARS IT UP.

I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO MAYBE GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER, THINK IT OUT, MAYOR AND REST OF THE COMMISSION, AND RE-LOOK AT THAT.

WE GOT TIME TO DO IT NOW, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THAT'S IT? WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FIRST OF FOR CITY MANAGER REPORT IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE 90-DAY CALENDAR.

MR. HOGENCAMP ON THE SPOT.

THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT'S CHANGED IN THE CALENDAR ON [INAUDIBLE], I THINK SINCE THE LAST ONE, BUT I DID WANT TO BRIEFLY REPORT OUT ON OUR ATTENDANCE.

>> GOOD.

>> THE CAMP AND HOW IT'S COVERED.

>> PLEASE STAND.

>> HI, I'M KEVIN HOGENCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL WEEK OF OUR FIRST SUMMER CAMP FOR YOUTH SUMMER YOUTH TENNIS CAMP.

IT IS FUNDED LARGELY BY THE UNITED STATES TENNIS ASSOCIATION.

EACH OF THE CAMPERS PAID A MINIMAL FEE.

WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD OVER 144 PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER.

MORE THAN 120 OF THOSE WERE FILLED, SO WE WERE AT MORE THAN 80% CAPACITY AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WE COULD SERVE.

IT'S BEEN A HUGE HIT AND JUST THE BEGINNING OF OUR PAYING MORE ATTENTION AS AN ORGANIZATION AND COMMUNITY TO THE GREAT SPORT OF TENNIS.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I'VE GOT TWO. IS THERE ANY COST TO THE CHILDREN AT ALL?

>> $25 PER WEEK OR PER SESSION.

>> HOW MUCH?

IF A CHILD PARTICIPATED ALL THREE WEEKS, THE FAMILY PAYS $75 FOR THAT [INAUDIBLE].

>> VERY INTERESTING. YOU SAID THERE'S 120?

>> MORE THAN 120 OF THE 144 POTENTIAL SLOTS THAT WE HAD.

>> YEAH, KEVIN. THOSE SLOTS,

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THE UNFILLED SLOTS SO WE HAD TWO AGE GROUPS, CORRECT?

>> THREE.

>> THREE AGE GROUPS.

>> THE UNFILLED SLOTS ARE PRINCIPALLY THE OLDER KIDS.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR NEXT YEAR AND GOING FORWARD IS WE FILLED UP THE YOUNGER KIDS.

WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO FILL UP THE YOUNGER KIDS.

BUT AS THOSE YOUNGER KIDS MATRICULATE, THEY WILL END UP TAKING UP SOME OF THOSE SLOTS IN CAPACITY WE HAVE ON THE OLDER KIDS.

>> YEAH. THIS IS BRAND NEW TO THE STAFF.

THIS ORGANIZATION HASN'T DONE THIS IN AT LEAST A DECADE, IF EVER.

YES, SO THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE HERE TOO.

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE REPORT. EXCELLENT.

>> WITH THAT, MR. AMARRA, I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE 90 DAY COUNT?

>> YES, COMMISSIONER.

>> I'D LIKE TO ADD A DATE.

11 AUGUST, THE LITTLE DARLINGS GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DATE.

>> YEAH. THEY'LL BE, LIKE ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS OUT ON THE ROADS.

>> ANY COMMENTS COMMISSIONER RING?

>> NO.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS AMENDED?

>> YES. >> OKAY. THERE YOU HAVE IT.

>> THEN ITEM 3B, WHICH IS THE WEST FIRST STREET TURF BLOCK.

SO WE'RE LOOKING WE HAVE ROUGHLY $50,000 AVAILABLE EACH YEAR TO INSTALL A TURF BLOCK.

THERE ARE THREE PARKING SPACES AT FIRST STREET, NOT AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN THE TURF BLOCK.

I BELIEVE, MR. AMARRA, YOU WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO SHOULD IT BE THERE OR SHOULD IT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING MY HEAD STRAIGHT HERE.

I WASN'T COMPLETELY PAYING ATTENTION.

HOW MUCH OF THE 50,000 IS EXPENDED ON WEST FIRST STREET IF WE PROCEED ON THAT?

>> MY SUSPICION IS IT'LL BE ROUGHLY HALF, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DIRECTION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REQUIRES ANYTHING MORE FORMAL THAN THAT.

BUT IT IS MY HOPES.

I THINK WE HAD 50,000 TWO YEARS AGO.

I KNOW WE HAD 50,000 LAST YEAR EARMARKED FOR PARKING SPACES, AND THEN 50,000 IN THIS YEAR, AND MY HOPES ARE THAT WE WOULD NOT ONLY CONTINUE THAT OVER AS MANY YEARS AS WE CAN UNTIL WE CONSISTENTLY APPLIED THAT APPLICATION TO OUR ACCESS STREETS TO THE BEACH, SPECIFICALLY THE AREA BETWEEN OCEAN AND BEACH AVENUE.

I'M NOT KEEN ABOUT PUTTING IT JUST ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> IT'S ADJACENT.

I GOT TO PICTURE IT IN MY HEAD.

I THINK IT'S JUST EAST OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SOUTHERN PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BEFORE YOU GET TO THE CIRCLE.

>> YEAH. OKAY. IT WOULD BE USED BY OUR CITIZENS ON A FREQUENT BASIS.

I CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

>> I THINK IT'S GOOD AND IT DISPLAYS A GOOD SPOT. PEOPLE SEE IT.

IT'S VISIBLE. THINK ABOUT OTHER PLACES, I LIKE THE LOCATION.

>> YEAH.

>> WHAT IS THE COST AGAIN? I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT.

>> MY RECOLLECTION IS THEY ARE ROUGHLY $10,000 A POP.

>> HOW MANY SPOTS?

>> WE'RE TALKING THREE HERE.

>> THREE SPOTS.

>> YEAH.

>> THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE NEW COMMUNITY?

>> IT'S JUST EAST.

>> JUST EAST OF IT. YEAH.

>> THAT'S A GOOD USE OF THOSE FUNDS.

BUT SINCE WE'RE ON THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE COMMITTED TO THE BUDGET FOR MORE PARKING SPACES GOING FORWARD, AND WITH A ABSOLUTE FOCUS ON THOSE SPACES NEAR THE OCEAN.

I DON'T WANT TO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE.

WE TALK ABOUT GIVING FAIRNESS TO WEST ATLANTIC BEACH, MARSH OAKS, AS WELL AS THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THE BEACH.

BUT THIS IS MORE AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THE HEAVY TRAFFIC COMES TO OUR CITY TO GO TO THE BEACH AND PARK ON THOSE SIDE STREETS.

YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE, OUR PARKING UP TILL THE TIME I BECAME MAYOR WAS A WEED PATCH HERE AND A DIRT PATCH THERE, AND I'D LIKE TO CLEAN THAT UP, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO GIVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE PARKING BY KNOWING WHERE PARKING IS.

THE FURTHER CONVERSATION THAT WILL COME WITH THIS WHEN WE GET INTO IT IS, WHAT, IF ANY, SIGNAGE DO WE PUT UP TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS IS LEGAL PARKING,

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AND THE DIRT PATCH OVER HERE IS NOT LEGAL PARKING.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AT WHAT HOPEFULLY WILL BECOME MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> JUST TO TAG ON TO THAT, THE NAME DID GO TO THE PARK COMMITTEE, AND THEY RECOMMENDED MARSH OAKS.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IS THE NAMING FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE GOES TO PARK.

SO IT WILL END UP COMING TO THIS COMMISSION TO FORMALLY NAME IT BY RESOLUTION NEXT MEETING.

>> TO NAME THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER. FORMALLY.

>> THANK YOU. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

I HOPE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE.

I CANNOT THINK OF A BETTER NAME MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE IT REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES, BUT IT WOULD BE CALLED MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, SO WE WON'T LOSE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

BUT IT JUST SEEMS GOOD.

BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. KILLINGSWORTH AND NOW I'M SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION.

I REALLY THINK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WE NEED A SIGN UP.

DO WE STILL HAVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE COVERING THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT?

>> I HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY.

I THINK IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

>> YEAH, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE NEED A NICE SIZED SIGN UP THAT ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING.

NOW, MOST OF OUR CITIZENS AT THIS POINT, YOU WOULD THINK, NO.

BUT THIS SIGN SHOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, COMING SOON, MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK AND WHATEVER OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'D THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THAT SIGN.

MORE TO COME ON THAT. BACK TO YOU.

>> 3C, WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, SO I THOUGHT I'D BRING IT BACK.

THE ONSITE STORAGE.

IT WILL GO TO CBD IN AUGUST.

>> CDB. CORRECT.

>> IN AUGUST, SO I COULD BRING IT HERE ONE MORE TIME AND WE'D STILL GET A TWO WEEK NOTICE.

THE ONLY THING YOU'LL SEE THAT'S CHANGED IN THIS IS WE DEFINE MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT AS A LEVEL THREE ALTERATION IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

YOU WILL SEE WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S THE LAST PAGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR, BUT IT IS THE DEFINITION.

IT'S A PIECE OF PLACE TO START, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY DEFINED AND RELEVANT IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPING A BUILDING.

I GUESS IF THERE'S SEEKING DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND SEND THIS TO CDB.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT?

>> DOESN'T THAT SEEM JUST CONFUSED.

NOW WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER CAVEAT TO THE TRIGGER.

>> WELL, WE SPOKE TO THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THE FORMALITY IS BECAUSE THE CDB ASKED US TO.

NOW THE FORMALITY IS TO SEND BACK TO THEM WHAT WE DECIDED ON SO THAT THEY CAN THEN BLESS IT TO SEND IT BACK FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION AS AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE.

>> RIGHT, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

BUT THAT LAST PART, ADDING IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE AGREED ON.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATUTE MENTIONS..

>> THAT'S THE DEFINITION. THE TERM MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT WASN'T DEFINED, SO WE USED THE PRE EXISTING DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

>> OKAY.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, COMMISSIONER? THAT'S A YES. I HEARD A YES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

>> I BELIEVE YOU'RE ON COMMISSIONER REPORTS AT THIS POINT.

>> GOING FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER BOLE?

>> YES. I GOT ONE THING.

I MENTIONED AT THE TOWN HALL, OUR ARBORIST.

I THINK IF WE CLAIM THAT WE'RE A TREE CITY, THE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD, WE'RE AMATEUR ARBORIST, EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW IT, RIGHT? WE VOTE ON STATUTES, WE MAKE CODE, WE SPEND MONEY.

I TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT AN ARBORIST COULD DO ON THE STAFF, AND I WROTE SOME DOWN, DID A LITTLE AI THERE, INCLUDING.

ALSO LOOKED AT AI AND FIGURED OUT THAT WE SPEND ABOUT 35% OF OUR TIME IN SOME WAY DEALING WITH THIS SUBJECT.

I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF WE HAD ONE ON THE STAFF,

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AND HERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU COULD DO OR SHE COULD DO.

OBVIOUSLY DEFINE TREE CITY, INVASIVE PLANTS, STORMWATER.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS, BUT PLANTS, TREES, DIRECTLY AFFECT OBVIOUSLY STORMWATER.

THAT COULD BE A TERTIARY OR SECONDARY, A STRATEGY FOR THE CITY COULD ATTEND THE ESC CONFERENCES AS A CONSULTANT OR AN ADVISOR.

THAT'S MY NEXT ONE, ADVISE AND CONSENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, HEY, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANTED SOME DIRECTION OR SOME ADVICE, ETC.

I KNOW I TALKED TO A CITY MANAGER TODAY THAT WE HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN GO TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON THE STAFF.

I THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WITH CITY ATTORNEY.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT FROM HAVING A ON CALL CITY ATTORNEY TO A FULL TIME CITY ATTORNEY ON STAFF.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS AND POLICY, PROPER ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LIST, AND YOU CAN ALSO ASSIGN SECONDARY AND TERTIARY DUTIES TO THAT.

I KNOW WE'RE IN BUDGET TIME.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO A PROFESSIONAL THAT HAS THE BACKGROUND, THE DEGREE, WHATEVER, AND SAY, YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF MONEY, MAYBE EVEN THE TREE FINDS COULD PAY FOR THAT.

I'M GOING TO LAY THAT ON THE TABLE.

I'LL COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL. I'LL WRITE IT OUT.

I'LL TALK TO KEVIN. MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US DURING BUDGET TIME.

IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS IT LOOKS.

ANYWAY, I KNOW I THREW OUT THAT OUT AT THE TOWN HALL, SO I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF MY PLANS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO COMMENT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT HAVING AN ARBORIST, BUT I WOULD ASK BASED ON YOUR SUGGESTION, GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW UP AND PUT IT IN WRITING.

CITY MANAGER, PERHAPS YOU COULD LOOK AT IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD HAVE A PART TIME ARBORIST.

HOW WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, AND HOW WOULD WE STRUCTURE IT? BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT OF HAVING THE ARBORIST, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TO OVERRIDE ANOTHER ARBORIST, BECAUSE FLORIDA STATUTE IS GOING TO OVERRIDE US ON THAT DEAL.

IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A LETTER FROM AN ARBORIST THAT SAYS A TREE HAS TO BE TAKEN DOWN, THAT'S FLORIDA STATUTE.

WE CAN'T PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION OF VIOLATING THAT.

BUT HAVING AN ARBORIST AVAILABLE, I THINK IT WOULD GO INTO THE EQUATION OF MANY CITIZENS WOULD JUST LIKE DIRECTION, AND WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO TALK TO THE CITY'S DIRECTION OR DIRECTED ARBORIST ON WHAT TO DO WITH A TREE THAT THEY'RE NOT SURE.

>> THAT'S MY NUMBER SIX. GIVE ADVICE, ETC.

WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF MIND, MONEY, TIME, AND EFFORT, FOR INSTANCE, I LEARNED ABOUT THE PALM TREE VERSUS THE LIVE OAK.

I'D LIKE AN EXPERT TO COME IN HERE, GO TO THE MEETINGS, TELL US WHAT, AND I THINK IT WOULD PAY OFF.

I'M NOT HARD OVER ON A FULL TIME. YOU COULD DO 20.

BUT IF WE HAD A PERSON THAT WE POINT AT AND SAY, THIS IS OURS.

I FOUND OUT THAT ARBORIST WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ON THEIR RESUME, CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH ARBORIST.

WE PROBABLY COULD GET A REALLY GOOD GUY OR GIRL THAT WOULD TAKE THIS UP AND PROBABLY DO A GREAT JOB. MY OPINION.

>> COMMISSIONER KELLY.

>> I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET, THE TREE BUDGET, TO FUND A PART TIME ON CALL ARBORIST.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THE MITIGATION FUND?

>> YEAH, OVER THERE, $200,000 IN THERE.

>> CAN YOU TAKE THAT AWAY MR. KILLINGSWORTH?

>> I'M GOING TO WRITE SOMETHING AND BRING IT UP, I KNOW IT'S BUDGET TIME AND LATE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHY TO LOOK AT. VERY GOOD. I GOT IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER KELLY, SINCE YOU'RE SPEAKING, GO AHEAD.

>> NO, I HAVE NOTHING MORE. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER RING.

>> YES. ON TOP OF THE MARSH OAKS COMING SOON SIGN THAT THE MAYOR SUGGESTED, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT COULD WE ALSO GET SOME UPDATES ON WHERE WE ARE IN THAT BUILDING? JUST MAYBE PICTURES AND TIMELINE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'RE WORKING AT CURRENTLY AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE LAID OUT.

THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT, WELL, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT ONE.

DID WE SEND ANY BUYERS OR ANYTHING OUT TO THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS OR CHURCH THAT THERE IS A BUILDING COMING AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING CONSTRUCTION?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, WE DIDN'T SEND OUT ANY NOTICE ACROSS THE STREET.

>> THE ANSWER IS NO?

>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE BEHOOVES TO DO THAT AS FAR AS THEM KNOWING THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S COMING IN.

MAYBE THEY WOULD BE EXCITED, JUST THE NEARBY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.

JUST A SUGGESTION. THEN THE LAST THING I HAD WAS,

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WHERE ARE WE ON THAT [INAUDIBLE] ORDINANCE? I HAD QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORS IN WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD AND OTHERS TOO WHO ARE IN DUPLEX OR MULTI UNIT FAMILY HOMES THAT WOULD LIKE.

THEY HAD THEIR OWN FENCED IN YARD.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SINCE THEN.

ACTUALLY PLAN DEPARTMENT HAS A NEW NAME.

THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE WAITED FOR THIS.

I KNOW A LOT HAS TRANSPIRED OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS SINCE I ASKED AND HAD CITIZENS DID COME AND SPEAK ON THIS.

I WOULD LIKE SOME [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE WILL HAVE SOME STANDARDS THAT WE CAN BRING NEXT.

I MET WITH AMANDA LAST WEEK ABOUT IT.

THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW, THE STANDARDS THAT WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IS WE HAVEN'T LIKE MODELED IT ACROSS THE CITY.

THE STANDARDS WHICH WE'RE BORROWING FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, NOT LOOKING AT YOU, SO NOT LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS DUPLEX, BUT JUST SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS, DISTANCE FROM STRUCTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS THAT WE'RE READY TO BRING FORWARD, BUT THOSE STANDARDS MAY MEAN THAT NOT ALL TOWN HOMES, THE BACK YARD WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH.

>> BECAUSE AS THE ORDINANCE STANDS IF YOU ARE IN A MULTI-UNIT HOME [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOU CAN'T AT ALL.

>> NO. RIGHT.

>> EVEN IF YOU HAD A 75 TOWN HOME WITH 275 FIVE FOOT YARDS, YOU COULDN'T DO IT AT ALL.

WHAT WE WOULD BRING FORTH, WHAT I TALKED WITH AMANDA AND THE STANDARDS WE GOT AND LOOKED AT FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, IS BASICALLY DISTANCE FROM STRUCTURES, DISTANCE FROM PROPERTY LINES, HOW BIG THE COOPS CAN BE, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN.

>> OR EVEN A FENCED IN YARD, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE.

>> MOST PLACES DO HAVE A DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

IF YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT, THE TOWN HOME, WHICH I THINK IS THE SMALLEST THAT WE ALLOW HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

THE MOST PLACES ARE LIKE 10 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'VE GOT A FIVE FOOT SQUARE THAT SO IT MAY NOT BE REASONABLE IF YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT TOWN HOME.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A 30 FOOT, THEN IT MAY BE REASONABLE.

IF YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT, IT MAY BE REASONABLE.

WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THE STANDARDS AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE.

BUT WE CAN DEVELOP STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT NEW SPACE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE NO COMMENTS,

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 6.

THIS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. SIX A, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-64.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO DISCUSS? HEARING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> RECOMMEND, WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-64.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES,

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-65]

AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 8 AND SPECIFICALLY EIGHT A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-65, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING STAFF TO ISSUE A TASK AUTHORIZATION.

TO GEOSYNTEC CONSULTANTS FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY OF DISCHARGING HIGHLY TREATED RECLAIM WATER TO AREA DRAINAGE DITCHES TO PREVENT SALTWATER INTRUSION FROM KILLING ADJACENT WETLAND HARDWOOD TREES, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CURRENTLY, THE CITY DISCHARGES ABOUT 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER INTO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER.

COME 2032 IN JANUARY.

WE'LL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DO THAT, SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE MEANS.

WE HAD LOOKED AT DEEP WELL INJECTION THAT IS PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE.

JEA, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT US, VALUED THAT AROUND $50 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION THAT IS A TOP CHOICE FOR US.

OUR CITY ENGINEER STEVE SWAN, CAME UP WITH AN IDEA HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, PRESENT AT LEGISLATIVE WORKSHOP ABOUT SENATE BILL 64.

THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE STATUTE.

HOWEVER, I THINK THEY DID PUT SOME PRESSURE ON DEP TO BE A

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LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE AND HOW THEY TREAT DIFFERENT IDEAS.

STEVE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF WE COULD POTENTIALLY DISCHARGE THE WATER INTO OUR WETLAND SYSTEM TO HELP PUSH BACK SALTWATER INTRUSION.

WE DO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOSING TREES IN THE AREA AND BELIEVE IT'S DUE TO SALTWATER INTRUSION.

THIS WILL END UP COSTING US SOME MONEY.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH, BUT IT WILL BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN DEEP WATER INJECTION.

IT WILL PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS TO US.

WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS TO SUPPORT A CONTRACT WITH A CONSULTANT TO COME UP WITH A DATA IN ANALYSIS TO MAKE THE ASK TO DEP AS THIS IS OUR SOLUTION.

THE COST IS $48,440.

IT WILL COME OUT OF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES TREATMENT ACCOUNT, SO IT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-65.

>> I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-65.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION?

>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> OKAY. DISCUSSION. STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

THE DEEP WELL, I THINK WE ALL KNOW, AND THIS IS A BIG ISSUE AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, YOU COULD BANKRUPT CITIES ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN 2032.

ANY INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GATHER HERE, WORK ON ANY INFORMATION WE CAN LEARN.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT EFFORT.

I THINK WE SHOULD INVEST HEAVILY IN THIS OR WE'RE GOING TO BE LONG AFTER WE ARE PROBABLY ALL GONE.

SOME PEOPLE SITTING IN HERE ARE GOING TO GET A BIG BILL AT THE END OF THE DAY.

LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE GO DOWN AND TALK TO THE OTHER CITIES, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR, THIS WAS A BIG ISSUE.

>> YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE].

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I'LL JUST ADD ONE COMMENT.

DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE, BUT I HAD A MEETING TODAY OR I SPOKE TODAY WITH JEFF SHEFFIELD, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE TPO.

IN FACT, COMMISSIONER KELLY AND I WERE BOTH AT A MEETING AT FLEET LANDING WHERE HE SPOKE, AND AFTERWARDS, I SPOKE TO HIM.

HE HAS A SEPARATE 501C3 THAT IS NOT PART OF THE TPO.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT, BILL?

>> SOMETHING FLORIDA.

>> SMART. THANK YOU.

>> SMART CITY. [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT'S SMART NORTHEAST FLORIDA, I THINK.

BUT ANYWAYS, HE HAS SOMEBODY THAT'S DEVELOPED A TECHNOLOGY TO USING TECHNOLOGY TO ASSESS THE ABILITY OF LAND TO ABSORB OR TAKE IN DISCHARGES LIKE THAT, AND IN FACT, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND WE CHECK WITH THEM AS WELL.

DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T PASS THIS TODAY, BUT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

I LOVE THE THINGS THAT THE TPO DOES THAT WHAT DO THEY CALL THEM TEST, PILOTS.

THANK YOU. WHO SAID THAT? THANK YOU FROM THE BACK. PARDON?

>> IT WAS SARAH.

>> YEAH. IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-25-256,

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 90-25-256, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA HERE BY AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-24-253.

THIS ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, AMENDING SECTION 24-113C, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING DISTRICTS, PROVIDING FOR RECORDATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL INVITE THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME UP AND PRESENT THE REPORT.

>> HI, GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.

THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS SECOND READ.

IT IS FOR THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

IT WOULD ALLOW WITH A USE BY EXCEPTION FOR GYMS AND HEALTH CLUBS.

USE BY EXCEPTIONS DO REQUIRE APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

IT DOES ALLOW ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE INTENSE REVIEW AND SOMETIMES ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS AND STIPULATIONS.

THIS WAS PASSED ON FIRST READ, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SECOND READ TONIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, AMANDA.

OKAY. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK?

>> NO, SIR.

>> OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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WE DON'T YET HAVE A MOTION ON THIS.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-25-256.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> ONE NAY, COMMISSIONER KELLY.

>> OPPOSED.

>> NAY.

[10.A. Public Hearing on Waiver Request (WAIV25-0003)]

WE'LL MOVE TO 10A, PUBLIC HEARING ON WAIVER REQUEST, WAIVER 25-0003, A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER FROM SECTION 19-1 TO ALLOW FOR THE MODIFICATION AND CONTINUED USE OF AN UNPERMITTED PARKING PAD IN CITY RIGHT OF WAY AT 341 SIXTH STREET.

WOULD THE REQUESTERS LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS? DONNA.

>> SIR.

>> GOT IT.

>> FAIR ENOUGH. [OVERLAPPING] I WAS GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BRIEF.

WHAT FORM THIS COME IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY TONIGHT? JUST A REMINDER, ANY APPLICATION OR REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ACTING IN YOUR QUASI JUDICIAL ROLE TONIGHT.

WHICH MEANS THAT YOUR DECISION MUST BE RENDERED BASED UPON THE CONFIDENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE YOU HEAR AS IT RELATES TO THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR A WAIVER, WHICH I'M SURE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WILL REVIEW WITH YOU.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S EVIDENTIARY, IT'S NOT A FORMAL HEARING, IT'S NOT A TRIAL.

IT'S NOT RULES OF EVIDENCE, BUT BOTH SIDES MUST BE ABLE TO PRESENT FAIRLY THEIR POSITION AND THEIR VIEWS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND YOU'LL RENDER A WRITTEN DECISION YOU ON IT.

>> WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BACK UP FOR A SECOND.

IF YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A SEAT RIGHT BEHIND YOU FOR ONE MINUTE, I'M GOING TO BRING UP AMANDA TO PRESENT ON THIS, BUT BEFORE SHE DOES, WHO WILL ACTUALLY SPEAK ON THIS TODAY? ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE SPEAKING?

>> MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD, TOO, PROBABLY EVERYONE NEEDS TO DISCLOSE WHETHER THEY'VE HAD ANY [OVERLAPPING].

>> ONE SECOND. BUT WE'LL DO SWEARING IN OF ANYBODY THAT'S SPEAKING.

IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DONNA, CAN YOU ADMINISTER THAT?

>> YES. PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

YOUR RESPONSE WILL BE.

I DO. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH [INAUDIBLE]?

>> YES, I WILL.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS REQUEST? I HAVE NOT EITHER.

WITH THAT, AMANDA, WOULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT.

>> THANK YOU. HI, GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, AMANDA ASKEW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.

TONIGHT, WE HAVE WAIVER 25-0003 BEFORE YOU.

IT IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE FROM 19-1 TO ALLOW MODIFICATION IN THE CONTINUED USE OF A PARKING PAD WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND TO SECTION 19-7 TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THIS PROPERTY IS 341 6TH STREET.

DONNA, CAN YOU PUT THE MOUSE OVER SO I CAN GO DOWN THE SLIDES.

CAN YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SIDE? THANK YOU.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED RS-2 AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE 300 BLOCK OF SIXTH STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE PARKING PAD WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2012 WITHOUT A PERMIT AND CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF GRAVEL.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS DID NOT CONSTRUCT THE PARKING PAD.

THEY PURCHASED THE HOUSE WITH THE PARKING PAD.

>> THERE ARE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS UP AND DOWN 6TH STREET WHERE THERE'S ALREADY PARKING PADS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES, BRICK, GRAVEL, OPEN PAVERS, CONCRETE, AND ROCKS.

NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S SOME SEVERAL RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS, 19-1, WHAT STAFF HAS TO ADHERE TO ARE ALL RELATED IN THIS CHAPTER.

19-1 PROHIBITS CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, INCLUDING PARKING SPACES OR ANY WORK, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, OR ITEM WHICH CREATES AN OBSTRUCTION, WHETHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY, AND THE FREE AND COMPLETE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SECTION 19-2 AUTHORIZES A STAFF TO ISSUE A PERMIT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON THE BENEFIT TO THE USE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SECTION 19-7 LIMITS THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS AREA BETWEEN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND THE STREET TO 50%.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE WAIVER TO REDO THEIR EXISTING PARKING PAD.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE ALL THE GRAVEL IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS 420 SQUARE FEET OF GRAVEL AND INSTALL GRASS BLOCK OR TURF BLOCK PAVERS,

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275 FEET WITH A 2-FOOT STRIP OF MULCH BETWEEN THE PAVERS AND THE ROAD.

THIS 275 SQUARE FEET OF TURF BLOCK WOULD RESULT IN 51.7% IMPERVIOUS AREA IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN DEPICTING IT.

IT WOULD STILL BE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THEIR EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE TURF BLOCK AND THE AREA IN GREEN IS THEIR MULCH STRIP.

STOP COMMITTEE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND CAME UP WITH SOME POLICIES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THEIR POLICY 2.3 SAYS PLANTING, LANDSCAPE MATERIAL, AND OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE CITY CODES.

WHENEVER PLANNING AND LANDSCAPING MATERIALS OR OBSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY SHALL BE REMOVED UPON THE REQUEST OF THE CITY AND IN THE EVENT OF THE FAILURE TO MOVE THEM, THE CITY SHALL DO IT AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE.

ALL EXISTING OBSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THE TWO FOOT SAFETY ZONE SHOULD BE REMOVED.

ALL OTHER PLANTINGS, LANDSCAPE MATERIAL, AND OBSTRUCTIONS MUST COMPLY WITH THE CODES.

AT 2.4, WAS THERE POLICY FOR ENFORCEMENT AND IT SAYS, IN CONJUNCTION, CITY STAFF, CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND PUBLIC WORKS, SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THE POLICY.

EXCEPTIONS, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY MANAGER BE ABLE TO GRANT EXCEPTIONS TO THE POLICY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND PROVIDE IT IN WRITING.

THIS ITEM WENT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN JUNE.

THEY MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, SUBJECT TO THE PARKING PAD MAINTAIN 50% OR LESS IMPERVIOUS, AND IT WAS PASSED WITH A VOTE OF 6 TO 0.

THE DECISION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS BASED ON THE CODE.

THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL NOT APPROVE A WAIVER UNLESS COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS, WHICH WOULD BE THE CODE, WOULD BE UNREASONABLE OR COMPLIANCE WITH SUCH PROVISIONS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH A PUBLIC INTEREST OR COMPLIANCE WITH SUCH PROVISIONS ARE PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE NONE. THANK YOU.

NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME.

>> MY NAME IS JIM LUCAS.

MY WIFE, ROBERTA IS HERE.

WE LIVE AT 34016 STREET.

LET ME START OFF WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

YES, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITH THE PARKING PAD AS IT EXISTS.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD FIVE PERMITS ISSUED BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FIVE INSPECTIONS FOR WORK DONE ON THE HOUSE AND WHATNOT, AND WE WERE NEVER MADE AWARE THAT THE HOUSE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HAVING A PARKING SPACE BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT.

EARLY ON IN MARCH, WE PRESENTED A LETTER REPORT REQUEST TO THE CITY ENGINEER SAYING, WE WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THE PARKING SPACE, TAKE THE ROCK OFF AND PUT A 50% MINIMUM PERVIOUS PAVEMENT PATCH IN PLACE OF THE ROCK.

WE HAD A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE CITY ENGINEER.

WE MET WITH CITY STAFF.

CITY STAFF BASICALLY SAID, WE CANNOT APPROVE THIS.

WE WENT TO THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ASKING FOR THE WAIVER.

THAT'S WHERE WE STAND HERE TODAY.

ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS THAT WE PROPOSE TO PUT IN A 51.7% IMPERVIOUS PARKING SPOT.

THAT IS INCORRECT.

IN OUR REPORT TO THE CITY ENGINEER, WE PRESENTED CALCULATIONS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING 51.7% PERVIOUS IN LIEU OF WHAT'S THERE.

WHY? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING FOR 420 DOWN TO 275 SQUARE FEET OF SURFACE.

WITH THE ADDED MULCH STRIP IN THERE, WE NO LONGER EXCEED THE CITY MAXIMUM OF 50% IMPERVIOUS.

ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO MODIFY WHAT'S THERE.

IT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SUBJECT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PARK THERE.

IT'S JUST THAT WE FEEL THAT WITH A ROCK SURFACE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD FOR US SENIOR CITIZENS, AND WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PERVIOUS AREA IN LIEU OF THE ROCKS.

IN RETURN TO THE CITY, WE'RE WILLING TO GRANT THE CITY ADDITIONAL PERVIOUS AREA THAN THEY CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> THANK YOU DO WE HAVE ANY PEOPLE TO SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENTS? I HAVEN'T OPENED IT, BUT YES. WE ACTUALLY DO.

WE CAN TAKE SOMEBODY HE DIDN'T SIGN IN.

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YOU CAN FILL IT IN AFTER THE FACT, SO WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENTS. PLEASE SIR, COME ON UP.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M BRINKLEY HERALD.

FORGIVE MY CODINESS COMING TO THE MEETING, BUT MY SON'S FLIGHTS GOT ALL JACKED AROUND AND I HAD TO RUSH BACK FROM PICKING HIM UP AT THE AIRPORT.

MR. MISS LUCAS ARE NEIGHBORS OF MINE RIGHT DOWN 6TH STREET.

THE PROBLEM IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH IS PARKING ON THE STREETS.

YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT THE PARKING ON 1ST AND 2ND STREET OVERFLOWING FROM BEACHES TOWN CENTER.

IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S PARKING ON THE PAVEMENT.

SIXTH STREET IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S A SIX OR SEVEN SIMILAR OFF PAVEMENT, IMPROVED PARKING AREAS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, PREDOMINANTLY GRAVEL.

THERE'S I THINK ONE THAT'S TURF BLOCK.

THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE IMPERVIOUS PAVERS.

BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SOLVES THE PARKING PROBLEM ON 6TH STREET, BECAUSE NOBODY PARKS ON THE STREET DOWN THERE.

THEY PARK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ON WHAT'S BEEN IMPROVED, ALBEIT MOST OF IT ILLEGALLY OVER MANY YEARS.

MR. LUCAS IS JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

HE ACTUALLY PUT IN A NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS, BUT ONE TO IMPROVE THIS WITH TURF BLOCK, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY'S QUASI STANDARD IS IN OTHER PLACES.

HE'S JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT.

AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER HOUSES, ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN OF THEM THAT AREN'T EVEN BEING LOOKED AT AND HELD UNDER THE MICROSCOPE THE WAY HE IS BECAUSE HE TRIED TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY APPLYING FOR A PERMIT.

I HOPE THEY'RE NOT COUNTING HIS DRIVEWAY AGAINST HIS 50% PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS THING, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS GRANDFATHERED IN, JUST LIKE MY DRIVEWAY ON 6TH STREET IS ALSO GRANDFATHERED IN, AND I'M OVER 50% IMPERVIOUS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT I'M GRANDFATHERED IN BY ORDINANCE.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS ALLEVIATES ON PAVEMENT PARKING PROBLEMS BECAUSE I GO DOWN THAT STREET EVERY DAY IN MY CAR.

THAT'S HOW I GET TO MY HOUSES FROM CHERRY DRIVE UP AND DOWN 6TH STREET.

I DON'T GO THROUGH BEACHES TOWN CENTER, AS MUCH AS WHAT I LOVE BEACHES TOWN CENTER.

IF I'M GOING DOWN THERE, I'LL BE WALKING ROLL MY BIKE.

ONCE AGAIN, WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS AN IMPROVEMENT, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT IN THE ORDINANCES BECAUSE THE PENDULUM OVER THE YEAR SWUNG TOO FAR, TAKING AWAY PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, ALTHOUGH THIS IS RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE THAT HE'S TASKED TO MAINTAIN, JUST LIKE I'M TASKED TO MAINTAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

I AM FULLY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

I HOPE HE GETS YOUR VOTE, AND YOU'LL FIND A WAY TO FIX THIS, BUT ALSO GOING FURTHER FORWARD, TRYING TO FIX IT IN THE REST OF OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.

SOMEBODY LEAVES ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER HALF DOZEN HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE ILLEGAL THINGS ON 6TH STREET, ALSO? THEY ALL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT MAYBE AS A GROUP TOGETHER.

THEN THERE'S THE OTHER NUMBERED STREETS, 1 THROUGH 5, AND THEN 7 THROUGH 10, I SUPPOSE, THAT ALSO NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO THAT SAME VEIN BETWEEN EAST COAST DRIVE AND SHERRY OR EAST COAST AND SEMINOLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE SUPPORT WHAT MR. LUCAS AND HIS WIFE ARE TRYING TO DO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. HERALD. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

NOW, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT?

>> THE ONLY THING I ASK IS THAT WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE AND BUILD WHAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS ACCEPTING AS A 50% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSION DELIBERATION, LET ME AT LEAST ENTERTAIN A MOTION FIRST IN A SECOND.

>> I MOVED THAT WE APPROVE WAIVER 25-0003?

>> WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND. DISCUSSION.

>> HOW MUCH DO WE COUNT WITH THE TURF BLOCK? IS IT 50%? HE'S GOING FROM 420 SQUARE FEET OF GRAVEL DOWN TO 275?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE GRAVEL WAS ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE, SET THAT ASIDE, THE GRAVEL WAS CONSIDERED PERVIOUS, 100%.

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NOW WE'RE PUTTING IN TURF BLOCK, WHICH IS IMPERVIOUS 50 AND PERVIOUS 50.

>> OKAY.

>> AND MULCH?

>> WELL, THE MULCH IS PERVIOUS.

>> THE MULCH IMPERVIOUS BECAUSE HE'S ADDING IN GRASS.

HE'S RIGHT.

HE'S NOT TURF BLOCKING THAT WHOLE 420 FEET.

IT'S ACTUALLY TAKING IT DOWN TO 275?

>> CORRECT.

>> GRAVEL IS ITS OWN PROBLEM.

THIS SPILLS OUT TO THE ROADWAY?

>> YES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.

>> I'LL WEIGH IN ON THIS. FIRST OF ALL, I THANK THE CITIZEN FOR ACTUALLY FOLLOWING OUR PROCESS AND OUR PROCEDURE INSTEAD OF DOING IT, AND THEN LATER GETTING CONTACTED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LOVE THE IDEA, ESPECIALLY THE TURF BLOCK.

THE REQUEST, HOWEVER, IS FOR APPROVED SURFACES.

ONE OF OUR APPROVED SURFACES NOW IS THE TAB BLOCK PAVERS, WHICH ARE COUNTED AT 50%.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO APPROVE THIS WITH TURF BLOCK ONLY AT THIS TIME, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.

FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

I THINK IT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IF THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE THEY CAN PARK.

IT ALWAYS WORRIES ME THAT IF WE END UP WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PAVER TYPES AND SO ON, THE PUBLIC COULD GET CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IS PRIVATE AND WHAT IS PUBLIC.

I THINK OVER TIME, IF WE CONTINUE WITH OUR EFFORT TO PUT IN TURF BLOCK WHERE APPROPRIATE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THIS WOULD MATCH THAT SO CITIZENS WOULD GET USED TO THE FACT THAT TURF BLOCK IS PROBABLY CITY PUBLIC PARKING.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT DONE AS TURF BLOCK.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE CALCULATION.

I THINK OUR APPROVAL WOULD BE AN APPROVAL SUBJECT TO MEETING CITY CODE ON NOT TO EXCEED 50% IMPERVIOUS.

THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED ON THE REQUEST. I DON'T KNOW.

AMANDA, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? HAS THERE ALREADY BEEN A SUBMITTAL OF THE DOCUMENTS?

>> THAT COULD DEFINITELY JUST BE A CONDITION THAT YOU ADD ON IF YOU DO APPROVE IT THAT IT DOESN'T EXCEED 50%.

>> OKAY. ASSUMING THAT YOUR CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT, THEN THAT'LL COME THROUGH ON THAT.

BUT OVER TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE MORE CITIZENS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THIS CITIZEN IS DOING AND INSTALLING TURF BLOCK.

I'M NOT SAYING IN THE FUTURE, WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT OTHER SURFACES, BUT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND CLEAN TODAY, TURF BLOCK IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR CITY PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ELSEWHERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES.

>> AS PART OF THE MOTION, IF WE COULD NAIL DOWN WHICH OF THESE THREE REASONS?

>> PUBLIC INTEREST? I THINK MAYOR IN HIS STATEMENT SAID THAT IT WAS FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST?

>> YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION.

>> ATTORNEY?

>> I DO THINK MOTION SPECIFY WHICH OF THE THREE OR WOULD THAT BE ALL THREE, ANY ONE DOES SHOW THE EVIDENCE [INAUDIBLE] REASONABLE.

>> THE STIPULATION OF 50%.

>> COMMISSIONER RING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION?

>> IT WOULD BE NUMBER 2 THEN.

>> WE COULD PROBABLY USE EVEN NUMBER 1, BUT NUMBER 2 WOULD SUFFICE.

>> I'LL AMEND THE MOTION AND I MOVE TO APPROVE WAIVER 25-0003 UNDER, I'M SORRY, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY NEGATIVES IN THERE, [LAUGHTER] COMPLIANCE WITH SUCH PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST. NUMBER 2.

>> THEY'RE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

>> THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC.

>> THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

>> APPROVE UNDER NUMBER 2 BECAUSE THE COMPLIANCE WITH SUCH PROVISIONS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST.

>> NO. IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT. REVERSE THAT.

>> I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING HERE IS APPRAISED WITH A NEGATIVE, BUT THE QUESTION FOR THE WAIVER IS, YOU CAN APPROVE THE WAIVER SO LONG AS YOUR FINDING IS THAT IF YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THE WAIVER, YOU'D THEN BE IN CONFLICT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST.

YOU'RE FURTHERING THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY APPROVING THE WAIVER.

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>> YES, THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE]

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD IN THE LIMITATION OF 50% IMPERVIOUS?

>> LIMITATION JUST AS LONG AS THEY'RE 50% IMPERVIOUS TURF BLOCK.

>> LET ME HELP OUT HERE.

>> WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION?

>> WELL, I CAN'T.

>> HE CAN'T. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> THANKS, COMMISSIONER.

>> IT'S TURF BLOCK, BUT THE POINT IS THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY NOT EXCEED 50% IMPERVIOUS AREA.

HIS REQUEST WOULD BE GRANTED SUBJECT TO MEETING CITY CODE OF NOT TO EXCEED 50% IMPERVIOUS AREA.

>> I'LL START AGAIN. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WAIVER 25-0003 UNDER THE COMPLIANCE THAT THIS SHALL NOT BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST, MAINTAINING 50% OR LESS IMPERVIOUS RATIO REQUIREMENT COVERAGE.

>> WE HAVE THAT MOTION.

>> YOU'RE GIVING A SECOND?

>> I THINK SO.

[LAUGHTER] I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW.

>> I'M ONTO HIM. WE GOT THIS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED? THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS.

CONGRATULATIONS. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS PROPERLY TO THE CDB AND THEN TO THE COMMISSION.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S SEE. WHERE ARE WE?

>> COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, NO, BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS.

CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> ALL THAT I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

WE'LL TRY TO GET JASON TO TAKE MORE VACATIONS.

[LAUGHTER] IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING.

I'M NOT SURE, SO I CAN I ALWAYS ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BE HERE AS CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT AND THE GREAT WORK YOU ALL DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY BEING BACK SOON.

>> WE'RE SO GLAD YOU WERE HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU. CITY CLERK.

>> I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE CITY FOR SENDING A BEAUTIFUL BOUQUET OF FLOWERS.

CONDOLENCES AND OUR HEARTS ARE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]

CLOSING COMMENTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONER STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER RING.

>> I APPRECIATE FORMER MAYOR REEVES BRINGING THE ANNEXATION HISTORY BACK.

I DID WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE.

WE HAVE A WEIRD DOG LEG THERE ON MAYPORT ROAD.

I THINK IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF MAYPORT.

THEN WE HAVE THE WEST SIDE OF MAYPORT ROAD FROM DUTTON ISLAND NORTH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD EVEN BE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF ATLANTIC BEACH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO MULL OVER AND THINK ABOUT.

I THINK I HAVE DISCUSSED IT WITH CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH BEFORE.

>> IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED.

>> BUT AS FAR AS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THERE, THERE'S A PORTION THAT IS CALLED THE FAIRWAY VILLAS, AND THEY'RE OFTENTIMES LEFT OUT.

THEY'RE A SUBDIVISION THAT BACKS RIGHT INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB.

THEN THERE'S THIS LITTLE SLIPPER OF EMPTY LOT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED BY JACKSONVILLE.

ABPD ENDS UP HAVING TO GO OUT THERE A FEW TIMES BECAUSE OF HOMELESS CAMPS, I BELIEVE.

IT'S AN ISSUE. I THINK IT MIGHT BEHOOVE US TO LOOK INTO THAT ANNEXATION, BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING POINT YOU BROUGHT UP.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY.

>> I THINK FOR THE NEXT TIME, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT OUR BIRTHDAY PARTY.

I KNOW THAT THEY PLANNED A SERIES OF EVENTS AT DIFFERENT PARKS, BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT CULMINATES IN SOME BIG DO WITH FIRE WORKS, AND POPCORN, AND BREAST BAND OR SOMETHING.

YOU ONLY TURNED 100 ONCE.

>> SORRY, I'M OUT OF TURN HERE, BUT I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER THIS WEEK TO CHECK INTO GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF THE US.

THERE'S GRANT MONEY OUT THERE, AND I'M PUTTING A LITTLE PRESSURE ON THE CITY MANAGER.

NEPTUNE BEACH AND JACKS BEACH HAVE ALREADY MADE THEIR APPLICATION, SO I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT MISS THAT.

LET'S GET SOME OF THAT GRANT MONEY AND PUT ON A BIG PARTY.

BUT WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY IS SPEAKING OF IS OUR CELEBRATION, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. COMMISSIONER BOLE.

>> WELL, SEE, I GOT ABOUT 30 MINUTES.

[01:05:03]

[LAUGHTER]

>> YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL [INAUDIBLE]

>> [INAUDIBLE] FEEL ABOUT TODAY.

>> CAN YOU STAND UP AND TALK FOR 34 MINUTES?

>> I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

>> [INAUDIBLE] HEARTBEAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ONE THING.

ANNEXING PROPERTY, I LEARNED IN ANOTHER JOB IS A VERY COMPLICATED THING.

THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE INVOLVED, THERE'S TAXES INVOLVED, SO ADMITTEDLY, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE NAVY REGION SOUTHEAST HAS SET UP A MEETING FOR YOU THIS WEEK.

>> THEY HAVE.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING AND THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH, MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, BUT I'VE GOT A CONNECTION TO AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO BILL, BUT THERE'S PROPERTY THAT THEY TECHNICALLY WANT TO GET RID OF.

I THOUGHT BILL WAS A PERFECT ADVOCACY PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

I THINK THAT'LL BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THEM AS FRIENDS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE WATER AND MAYPORT, ETC, BUT THIS IS THE GUY THAT RUNS THE WHOLE SOUTHEAST OF THE UNITED STATES.

AT LEAST IN THE NAVY. I THINK, MAN, WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS THERE TOO.

I GOT 31 MINUTES LEFT.

[LAUGHTER] I'LL FOLD THIS TIME.

I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. ALL.

>> THANKS. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> I MEANT TO BRING THIS UP DURING THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, BUT I DID NOT.

SORRY, I'LL BRING IT UP NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO START BRINGING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STOP COMMITTEE FORWARD AND SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES AFTER THE BUDGET'S APPROVED.

PROBABLY, THE BUDGET WILL BE APPROVED BEFORE OCTOBER, BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING SOMETHING PROBABLY THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER, THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER IN TERMS OF ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY STOP.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STOP AND AMANDA ALLUDED TO IT IN HER PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE CITY SHOULD PROACTIVELY GO AFTER STRIKE HAZARDS THAT ARE, AND I JUST LOST THE NAME OF IT, IN THE STRIKE ZONE, WHICH IS TWO FEET OUTSIDE OF THE ASPHALT.

YOU HAVE YOUR ASPHALT ROAD AND THEN THE TWO FEET ADJACENT TO IT IN THE RIGHT AWAY IS THE STRIKE ZONE.

THE STOP COMMITTEE DIDN'T RECOMMEND GETTING RID OF EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE STRIKE ZONE.

IF YOU HAVE LOW LYING BRUSH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IT'S NOT IMPEDING THE SIGHTLINE, MAYBE THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE A SOFTER APPROACH ON THAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A STRIKE HAZARD, IF YOU HAVE BOULDERS, IF YOU HAVE STAKES, SPIKES, WHATEVER IT IS, IN THAT STRIKE ZONE, IT'S AGAINST THE CODE NOW, BUT THAT THE CITY SHOULD PROACTIVELY GO AFTER THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S PROBABLY A MATTER OF TIME FOR SOME KID ON AN EBIKE SWERVES TO MISS A CAR AND ENDS UP HITTING THEMSELVES ON ONE OF THESE ROCKS.

MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING WITH STAFF IS IN THE PAST, THIS HAS BEEN VERY CONTROVERSIAL, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH THE COMMISSION THAT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WANT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH IN TERMS OF THE STOP RECOMMENDATION, AND IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE SHOULD.

I GUESS, MR. MAYOR, I'M ASKING FOR SOME CONSENSUS ON IMPLEMENTING THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION FROM STOP.

>> IN FACT, I TALKED TO MR. KILLINGSWORTH TODAY. I SUPPORT THAT.

IF YOU COME TO SAFETY ISSUE, AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME SAFETY ISSUES AROUND THE CURBS, CORNERS, AND IF YOU'RE NOT WITHIN CODE, AND WE NEED TO [OVERLAPPING]

>> I AGREE.

HERE'S A CHALLENGE.

LET'S JUST TAKE AN EXAMPLE.

LET'S SAY YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE HOMES ON BEACH AVENUE THAT HAS LARGE BOULDERS WITHIN THE STRIKE ZONE.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE 40 YEARS.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO ELIMINATE THEM, OR THEY JUST HAVE TO MOVE THEM BACK TWO FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT?

>> I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STOP COMMITTEE IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE STRIKE ZONE.

THE RECOMMENDATION WASN'T TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, JUST THE HAZARDS IN THE STRIKE ZONE.

>> NEXT TIME.

>> I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT YOU SHOULD PROCEED ON THAT AND GOOD LUCK. [LAUGHTER].

>> WELL, YOU'LL BE GETTING THE [INAUDIBLE]

>> CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

[LAUGHTER].

>> I'M NOT AFRAID.