IN THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP. THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DATED MONDAY, AUGUST 25TH, 2025 WILL NOW COME TO [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:10] ORDER. LET'S SEE, WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS MEETING WITH ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, [1. PUBLIC COMMENT] IF WE HAVE ANY. DONNA. ONE SPEAKER. OKAY. BRUCE ANDREWS. GOOD EVENING, BRUCE ANDREWS. 328 11TH STREET. I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE BEACH'S TOWN CENTER AGENCY. WE EACH YEAR TRIED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE CITY OUR NEEDS AND WANTS AND DESIRES, AND SOMETIMES THINGS GET DONE, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. AND WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATING THOSE TO YOU THIS YEAR. AND WE WERE DEBATING. SHOULD WE SEND AN EMAIL AND WHATEVER? AND I SAID, WELL, I'LL JUST GO TO THE WORKSHOP. LIKE IT'S 5:00 AND SURE, THE WEATHER WILL BE NICE. SO HERE I AM. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU BY NOW A LITTLE HANDOUT THAT I CREATED. REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL HERE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT JUST FIRST YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT WE DO AS AN AGENCY. COMMISSIONER BOLE SERVES AS THE COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE ON OUR BOARD. MAYOR FORD, YOU'VE BEEN TO A MEETING BEFORE. SO, ANYWAY, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT WE DO. OUR GOAL IS JUST TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE AT THE BEACH'S TOWN CENTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS. TRY TO MAKE IT GOOD FOR THE MERCHANTS SO THAT THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. AND AND THAT WE CAN WELCOME VISITORS TO THE AREA AND HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF. AND I THINK WE ALL ARE PROUD OF IT. IT'S LOOKING LOOKING GOOD THESE DAYS. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES, NEPTUNE AND ATLANTIC. THAT DICTATE WHO PAYS FOR WHAT RELATIVE TO LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE. BASICALLY, THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATLANTIC BOULEVARD MEDIANS. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EQUALLY. NEPTUNE BEACH AND ATLANTIC BEACH. WE HAVE OWNERSHIP FOR THAT. AND NEPTUNE BEACH HAS OWNERSHIP FOR THE THE TOWN CENTER AREA. BOTH SIDES OF ATLANTIC BOULEVARD. AND SINCE CITY MANAGER PIKE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY RECEPTIVE TO DOING THINGS TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE THERE IN TERMS OF BEEFING UP SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THE MAINTENANCE. AND SO YOU GUYS SHOULD FEEL GOOD THAT THEY'RE HOLDING UP THEIR END OF THAT DEAL WELL AND THAT WE'RE NOT BEING SHORTCHANGED. ANYWAY, THAT HAVING BEEN SAID WE'VE BEEN I'VE GOT SOME RECURRING REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THE CITY IN PRIOR YEARS. THE FIRST ONE BEING THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING. WE LIGHT ALL OF THE PALM TREES IN THE TOWN CENTER. WE USED TO NOT DO ALL OF THEM, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN IT UP WITH THAT. WE'VE NEGOTIATED WHERE THEY BASICALLY DO ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE ONES THAT WE PUT THE SURFBOARDS ON. WE I THINK THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH PROCURES THE TREES, PUBLIC WORKS HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND THEN OUR CONTRACTOR LIGHTS IT. CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH ACTUALLY INSTALLS IT FIRST, AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR LIGHTS IT. AND THEN WE AS VOLUNTEERS DECORATE IT. BUT THE LIGHTING PORTION, WHICH IS AROUND $39,000, HAS BEEN SHARED IN ONE THIRD PORTIONS WITH THE TWO CITIES AND THE AGENCY. SO I'M HERE REQUESTING THAT YOU PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN WE A FEW YEARS AGO STARTED TRYING TO KEEP THE SIDEWALKS LOOKING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND SO THERE'S AN ANNUAL PRESSURE WASHING. THAT NUMBER SEEMS TO NEVER MAKE IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT PUBLIC WORKS USUALLY COMES UP WITH THE MONEY SOMEWHERE AND TAKES CARE OF THAT FUNDING. SO WE'D, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, THAT'D BE EVEN BETTER. THAT WAY, WHEN WE CALL AND REMIND YOU, YOU DON'T TELL US IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE'LL DO IT ANYWAY. SO MAYBE YOU ACTUALLY PUT IT IN. THE BUDGET WOULD BE GREAT. CAPITAL REQUESTS. THIS ONE HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU. MANY TIMES IT GOES BACK TO JOE GERRITY 1.0. THE FIRST TIME HE WAS CITY MANAGER, AND HE BROUGHT IT TO YOU OR YOUR PREDECESSORS IN SOME CASES. AND IT WAS APPROVED. IT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET. NEPTUNE HAD IT IN THE BUDGET. THE STREET POSTS ARE IN WAY BEYOND THEIR LIFE. [00:05:06] THEY'RE RUSTING OUT. CORRODING OUT. WE'VE HAD ONES FALL DOWN DURING THE DONNA RUN, ONE FELL DOWN. LIGHTNINGS HIT THEM. THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. THEY DON'T MEET SECURED OR THEY DON'T MEET SOMETHING CODE SAFETY SPECIFICATIONS. THEY DON'T MEET CODE. IT'S BEEN IN AND OUT OF BUDGETS. NEPTUNE BEACH HAS CARRIED THEIRS OVER, AND IT'S IN THEIR BUDGET, ACCORDING TO COLIN MOORE, WHO WORKS THERE. THE ISSUE IS WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET AN AMOUNT OF TIME. WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET THE TWO CITIES TOGETHER TO COORDINATE ACTUALLY DOING IT. WE TALK ABOUT IT, WE SAY, YEAH, WE FUND IT, WE'LL DO IT. BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO ACTUALLY DO IT. WE DON'T DO THAT. THAT HAS TO COME FROM THE TWO CITIES, SO WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S ON YOUR YOUR WISHLIST AKA YOUR ENHANCEMENT LIST. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT GET MOVED ONTO THE LIST. I THINK THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE IS 100,000. IT'S ACTUALLY 148,000, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN IT WAS IF WE HAD DONE IT WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT DOING IT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M HAPPY TO. WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE BACK AND FORTH DIALOG, BUT I'LL MAKE AN EXCEPTION TODAY. COMMISSIONER RING. THIS IS JUST REAL QUICK. THE 148, IS IT FOR ALL OF THEM OR IS IT JUST ATLANTIC BEACH ASIDE? YEAH. SO THERE'S 19 IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND 20 SOME IN NEPTUNE. THAT WOULD BE JUST THE ATLANTIC SIDE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE THE NEPTUNE SIDE IS AROUND 170. THEY HAVE A FEW MORE. AND WHERE DID YOU GET THAT QUOTE? WE FIRST OF ALL, WE EXPECT WITH INPUT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE RESPECT THE REPLACEMENT STYLE AND MANUFACTURER AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE GOT A IT'S FROM LIMBAUGH ELECTRIC. YEAH. SO WE CERTAINLY WOULD. I YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A BIT OUT IF WE WANTED TO, BUT THERE THEY ARE THE CITY'S ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IN BOTH CITIES, I BELIEVE. SO IF Y'ALL DO HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR YES. IS THERE NOT A CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THAT WE CAN PIGGYBACK ON? CONTRACT? YEAH, WE DO THAT A LOT. SO YEAH, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. THE CITY MANAGER HAS HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH GE AND AND THE CITY, AND I'M SURE HE CAN FILL YOU IN. HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, DON'T HESITATE TO EMAIL ME AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. GOOD STUFF. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO TOPICS. [2. TOPICS] BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER SIX PRESENTATION, MR. KILLINGSWORTH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONER. THIS IS HOPEFULLY THE LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SUBMIT THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. I THINK THAT'S SEPTEMBER 8TH. SO IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. DOUBLE COPIED. CRAZY. THERE WE GO. THAT'S THE ONE I WANT. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE FOR FOR US, WHICH WOULD BE 2.8410. THAT'S OUR CURRENT RATE. THE ROLLBACK RATE IS 2.6312. THE MAJORITY VOTE. MAXIMUM MILLAGE. SAY THAT THREE TIMES FAST IS 2.7499. THE MAXIMUM MILLAGE THAT YOU CAN ADOPT BY TWO THIRDS VOTE IS 3.0249. I BELIEVE ACTUALLY THAT TWO THIRDS OF THAT OPTION IS ACTUALLY NO LONGER ON THE TABLE. IS THAT CORRECT, BRITTANY? RIGHT. SO THE MOST WE CAN DO IS 2.8410. AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 2.7499. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE TOP. NO I SEE IT ON HERE. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THE PERCENTAGE VOTE. SO RIGHT ABOUT SO IT'S IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT IT'S A MAJORITY VOTE FOR ANYTHING 2.7499 OR BELOW OR BELOW AND IT'S TWO THIRDS VOTE FOR ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. OH, OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I'M GOOD. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO DEBATE THAT ONE. I EVERY YEAR I GET WRAPPED, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE AXLE ON THAT ONE. THERE YOU CAN SEE OUR TOTAL MILLAGE COMPARED TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY. WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND OUR SISTER CITIES AT THE BEACHES. [00:10:04] WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES. I APOLOGIZE, IT SAYS CAUGHT IT THIS AFTERNOON. FISCAL YEAR 2025 PROPOSED. THAT SHOULD BE FISCAL YEAR 2026 PROPOSED. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WE EXPECT TO EXPEND 19.973 MILLION. THE PROPOSED IS 20.582 MILLION. IT'S A 3% INCREASE. AND I WILL SAY THAT IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEES, THERE'S A BAKED IN 3% COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE INTO THE BUDGET. SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS IS 6.7 MILLION. THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO 7.5 MILLION. IT'S A 13% INCREASE. THE WATER FUND IS 10 MILLION. DROPPING DOWN TO 5 MILLION. THAT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WERE TAKEN OUT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME THAT WEREN'T DONE. THAT I WILL GET TO, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH WILL BUMP THAT NUMBER UP A LITTLE BIT. IT WILL STILL BE BELOW LAST YEAR THOUGH. SEWER FUND, SAME THING. IT'S 11.4. WE'RE DROPPING DOWN TO 8.9. IT'S THE SAME THING. WE'VE GOTTEN PROJECTS DONE. AND THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK IN IS LESS THAN WHAT WE DID. OUR SANITATION FUND IS A 2.6 MILLION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 2.8. THE COST IS 7.6 MILLION. THE INCREASE IS DUE TO CHANGES IN THE CPI WITH CFL AND OUR DIESEL FUEL CHARGES, THE BUILDING CODE FUND IS 728,000 AND THEN PROPOSED IS $758,000 OR 4% INCREASE. STORMWATER IS A 4.5 MILLION. WE'RE LOOKING AT 3.2 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, THAT IS DUE TO WE HAVE FUNDS IN THERE THAT ALLOWED US TO TAKE GENERAL FUND OUT. CORRECT. AND THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND WE GOT AQUATIC GARDENS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR DONE. SO THAT PROJECT IS COMING OUT OF THE STORM. WON'T BE IN THE BUDGET FOR THE STORMWATER NEXT YEAR. PENSION FUNDS. WE GOT A BIG INCREASE THERE. IT'S 2.8 MILLION, 2.9 MILLION GOING TO 3.2 MILLION. I THINK THAT'S LARGELY A RESULT OF THE 17% PAY RAISE FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE CHANGE FROM A 2.5% PER YEAR MULTIPLIER TO A 3% BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THE PROJECTED PAYOUT TO THE PENSION UPON THEIR RETIREMENT IS HIGHER. AND SO OUR COMMITMENT HAS TO BE HIGHER TO MEET THE MAKE THE PENSION FUND BALANCE. AND THEN, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE LOOKING AT $58.7 MILLION BUDGET LAST YEAR VERSUS A $52 MILLION BUDGET THIS YEAR. THAT 52 MILLION. AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG, YOU'LL SEE, IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. OKAY. I THINK COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS A QUESTION. YES, COMMISSIONER. QUESTION ABOUT THE PENSIONS. DIDN'T HAVEN'T WE SAID EARLIER THAT MORE EMPLOYEES HAVE ENROLLED IN PENSION SAVINGS ACCOUNTS? SO IS THAT IS THAT REFLECTED HERE, TOO? BRITTANY, IS IS THAT IN THAT AS WELL? IN THE GENERAL FUND AND LIKE THE WATER AND SEWER? YES. THOSE ARE EMPLOYEES, BUT NOT THE PENSION. THE PENSION FUND IS RETIREE PENSION PROGRAM AND THE POLICE PENSION PROGRAM. THE INCREASED CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PARTICIPATION INTO THE CITY'S 401 IS. CURRENT EMPLOYEES. FOR OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHERE THEY WORK. SO CITY HALL IS COMING OUT AS A GENERAL/ OKAY, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AND IT DOESN'T LIKE FEED INTO THERE. NO. NO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A IT'S NOT PART OF THE PENSION BURDEN. RIGHT. TO PENSION PROGRAM. THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE ONE IS NOW CLOSED AND THE POLICE WHICH DON'T OPEN. OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE YOU'LL SEE THE EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT. SO THE COMMISSION IS 69,000 TO 70,000. IT'S 2% CHANGE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A POTENTIAL PAY RAISE FOR YOURSELVES. THAT WAS DISCUSSED. BACK WHEN WE WERE USING THE AVERAGING OF THE SISTER CITIES. THERE WILL BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL RIDE ALONG WITH THE BUDGET THAT WILL CAUSE THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED BY ORDINANCE, BECAUSE YOUR SALARIES ARE ACTUALLY CODIFIED IN OUR ORDINANCE CODE. SO THAT WILL BE, IT WILL RUN PARALLEL WITH THE BUDGET AND WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET. OKAY. IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT WILL BE MEANINGFUL TO SOME, I'M SURE. [00:15:06] MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I, FORGIVE ME, BUT I FORGOT WHERE WE ENDED UP THERE BECAUSE I KNOW. SO FOR COMMISSIONERS, I BELIEVE IT WAS ROUGHLY $11,000 A YEAR FROM 7 TO 11. AND FOR THE MAYOR, I FORGET WHAT THE BASE RATE IS. BUT THAT WENT TO LIKE 13. AND HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT? SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING, WE LOOKED AT FERNANDINA, NEPTUNE BEACH, JACKSONVILLE BEACH, AND THEN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. AND WE AVERAGED THE SALARIES AND THE POPULATION. SO WE GOT A $1 PER CAPITA. AND THAT'S WHAT WE MULTIPLIED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ATLANTIC BEACH. AND THAT GAVE A NEW SALARY FIGURE. DID WE DISCUSS ADDING IN THE ORDINANCE A PERCENTAGE INCREASE FOR CPI? SO THAT WAY WHATEVER COMMISSION COMES AFTER US DOESN'T HAVE TO. SO THE WAY THE ORDINANCE, I EXPECT THE ORDINANCE WILL BE CRAFTED, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT TODAY IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE THE CPI INCREASE IN IT, AND IT WOULD HAVE A PROVISION THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU WOULD USE THE SAME METHODOLOGY. IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN, BUT IT WOULD. THE SAME METHODOLOGY WOULD BE EXERCISED AND PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME ON A FIVE YEAR ROTATING BASIS. OKAY. BUT THE CPI WOULD BE AUTOMATIC. OH, OKAY. VERY GOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'D REEVALUATE IT BASED OFF POPULATION EVERY FIVE EVERY FIVE YEARS? THE CPI WOULD HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. SO THE CPI WOULD HAPPEN EVERY YEAR WITHOUT ENGAGEMENT BY THE COMMISSION. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH NOT IN GENERAL, BUT IN FACT. RIGHT. SO? SO HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN THE COST OF LIVING THAT IS LESS THAN WHATEVER THE EMPLOYEES HAVE GOTTEN. SO YOU'VE TYPICALLY GOTTEN WHATEVER THE CPI IS. I SEE SO NOW WE'RE REWRITING IT OR THAT'S THE PROPOSAL TO REWRITE IT TO JUST SAY CPI INSTEAD OF COST OF LIVING. WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE LANGUAGE THE SAME THAT THAT AUTOMATIC PROVISION. WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE IT THE SAME WHERE WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE WAS THE SALARY FIGURE AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE REEVALUATED AND PRESENTED THE COMMISSION EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. SO THAT WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE IT, AMEND IT OR DENY IT. CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS WE'RE GOING FROM 630,000 TO 655,000. CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, 404,000 TO 431,000. FINANCE 469 TO. I MEAN, 1,000,469 TO 1,000,543. HUMAN RESOURCES IS 409,000 TO 451,000. AND ESCAPES ME, WHY, BRITTANY? WHY WAS THAT A BIG JUMP? WELL, ONE OF THEM WENT DOWN. OH, DID I TELL YOU TO LEAVE IT? OKAY. YEAH. I'M IN PRIVATE, TELL YOU THAT? NOT LATER. IT'S NOT BAD. I THINK, COMMISSIONER GREEN. YES. GO AHEAD. I KNOW WE HAD SOME REORGANIZATION. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT. FOR THIS YEAR, I DIDN'T SHOW IT BY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO SEE. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THE DIVISIONS YOU'RE SEEING, PLANNING AND BUILDING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE CULTURAL ARTS AND RECREATION AND PARKS MAINTENANCE. SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT THEIR BUDGETS WERE LAST YEAR VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS YEAR. OH, I SEE, SO THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL SEE. NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO SEE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT. BEAUTIFICATION. WHERE IS THAT GOING TO FOLLOW. THAT'S IN PUBLIC WORKS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. NOW WITH PUBLIC WORKS WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN INTERIM. WE HAVE AN INTERIM RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. WILL THAT CHANGE? BECAUSE AREN'T WE REQUIRED OR ISN'T THE ASK THAT THEY HAVE A PE? I AM RIGHT NOW THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT WE HAVE OUT ON THE STREET IS ASKING FOR A PE. DO YOU THINK THAT? I THINK I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE CURRENT INTERIM. BELIEVE STRONGLY IT SHOULD BE A PE, BUT I MEAN, IT MAY BE ULTIMATELY THAT THE MARKET CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT. BUT I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP YET. ERIC SAID HE'D BE HAPPY TO SERVE INDEFINITELY, EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T DO SO. I TALKED TO HIM. HE SAID HE GOT A SMILE OUT OF RICK. I WILL SAY, WHEN I KNEW RICK BEFORE HE WAS INTERIM, HE WAS MUCH GRUMPIER THAN HE IS NOW. [00:20:03] OH THAT'S GOOD. AND HE TOLD ME THAT HIS WIFE SAYS HE'S HAPPIER, TOO. THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S OUT. OH, IT MAY BE THAT HIS WIFE IS HAPPIER. I MAY HAVE MISSED ON THAT.[LAUGHS] YOU NEED TO TALK TO HIM AT 5:00 AT QUINCY. SETTLE THAT. OKAY. SO PLANNING, YOU'LL SEE. IS PLANNING ACTUALLY WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO WE WENT FROM 620 TO 580. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DROPPED JUST A LITTLE BIT. 1 MILLION TO 9 EIGHT EIGHT. PUBLIC SAFETY THERE'S A PRETTY BIG INCREASE. WE WENT FROM 8.3 TO 8.6. WE HAVE TWO VEHICLES IN THERE. ACTUALLY THREE. TWO PURSUIT VEHICLES AND A DETECTIVE VEHICLE. AND THE MOTORCYCLE? THE MOTORCYCLE WE'RE BUYING AT A CURRENT YEAR. SO I'VE JUST GOT TO SAY, I'M STILL NOT 100% CONVINCED ON ON THAT, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE MOTORCYCLE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO REPLACE A VEHICLE. NOW I UNDERSTAND. AND I DID VOTE OR I DIDN'T VOTE. WE DIDN'T VOTE, BUT I DID DID NOT SAY ANYTHING AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT. BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO REVISIT THAT. PUBLIC WORKS IS 3.1 MILLION TO 3.2 MILLION, AND THEN ARTS AND REC IS 531,000 TO 617,000. AND THEN. WHAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THAT JUMP IN ARTS AND REC. IS THE CENTENNIAL. OH, YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT A $50,000 BUDGETED THERE, I THINK. AND THEN MAYBE ANOTHER 20 IN GRANT FUNDING. WE'VE IT'S ROUGHLY THAT AMOUNT. KEVIN HAS SUBMITTED THE GRANT FOR THE 250 YEAR CENTENNIAL. WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE YET. GOOD. WE'RE NOT RELYING ON THAT FOR THE CELEBRATIONS NEXT YEAR. IF WE GET IT, WE'LL EITHER OFFSET SOME OF OUR MONEY OR ENHANCE OUR PROGRAM. PARKS MAINTENANCE IS, AND I'VE JUST LOST MY HEAD, 1.356 MILLION. AND IT'S GOING UP TO 1.8 MILLION. WHAT WAS THE BIG INCREASE THERE, BRITTANY? IT'S MAINTENANCE TO THE PARKS. THE SMALL ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PALMS. YEP. SO I NEED IT. I WISH WE HAD IT HERE. I NEED A DETAILED BREAKOUT ON THAT. SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, CAN WE GET THAT? AND I'M, AND I'M ALL FOR INVESTING MORE IN OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING AGAINST IT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, I KNOW I'M PART OF OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE SOME PROVISIONS IN OUR PARK MAINTENANCE. NO, THE ONLY THING THEY PROVIDE IS LIFEGUARD. SO THEY FUND A PERCENTAGE OF OUR LIFEGUARDS, AND THEN THEY GIVE US $9,000 A YEAR FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TOWARDS THE LIFEGUARDS. THAT'S IT? THAT'S IT. I THINK THIS THIS IS PART OF THE DIALOG THAT WILL COME WHEN WE FINALLY GET INTO THE DISCUSSION. BECAUSE DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE OR DO WE NOT HAVE A REGIONAL PARK IN JACK RUSSELL? BECAUSE IN THE CURRENT INTERLOCAL, IT SPEAKS TO THE ISSUE OF REGIONAL PARKS IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, OR WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION IS NOT LISTED AS A REGIONAL PARK. OKAY. YOU SEE. AND THEN BEAUTIFICATION IS 241,000. AND IT'S GONE UP TO 280,000. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. SO THIS IS A CAPITAL FUND PROJECT. SO THESE PROJECTS ARE MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. THEY ARE NOT DONE. SO THEY'LL BE CARRIED FORWARD. ASSUMING THAT YOU CONSENT, I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE PROJECT IN HERE THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PULL, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP ANOTHER $500,000. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THERE IS THE NEW ERP SYSTEM. WE'RE EXPECTED TO GO LIVE, I BELIEVE, IN FEBRUARY ON THAT. THEY HAVEN'T INVOICED US YET, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPENSES AGAINST IT YET. AHERN STREETS IN VARIOUS EACH OF THE AHEARN STREET PROJECTS ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF OF DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. THE FIRST ONE, I BELIEVE, IS READY TO GET IS IT A EAST COAST, ASSURING THAT'S READY TO LET FOR CONSTRUCTION STEVE? [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. [00:25:02] SO. SO THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES THAT ARE MULTI-YEAR PROJECT THE FUNDS AT THE END OF THE AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, TECHNICALLY, WHAT THEY WILL DO IS THEY WILL ROLL BACK INTO THE CAPITAL FUND PROJECT. AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ROLL THEM BACK INTO THESE PROJECTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REPLACE BROKEN CURB GUTTER AT ROYAL PALMS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PRIOR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR PUT IN AT 500 K. OUR CURRENT INTERIM SAYS THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY IN A YEAR. SO WE'D LIKE TO DROP. NOT ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. WE'D LIKE TO DROP THAT NUMBER TO $100,000, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP 400,000 OR SOMETHING ELSE LATER. THANK YOU, INTERIM DIRECTOR. FOR THE REST OF THOSE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CARRIED FORWARD. SORRY. I'M GOING TO PAUSE YOU ON THE SIDEWALKS. DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE? AND DO THEY INCLUDE MAIN STREET? THOSE ARE THAT'S JUST ANNUAL MAINTENANCE THERE. RIGHT THERE THAT WE FUND EVERY YEAR THROUGH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.YEAH. THIS THE PLAZA SIDE. IT CAN'T BE DONE FOR A SPECIFIC [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. HISTORICALLY, IT HASN'T BEEN ITEMIZED BY SIDEWALK, BUT WE COULD. SO THEY'RE REDOING THAT ENTIRE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE JACK RUSSELL PARK. ONE BETWEEN LEVY AND DONNER OR DUTTON ISLAND? IT'S IT'S HORRIBLE. WHEN IT, WHEN YOU SAY ON THE LIST WHAT'S THE TIMELINE. YES. WE ARE WAITING SAY. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. OH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DONNER. MAIN. [INAUDIBLE] EAST SIDE OF MAIN STREET. COME. ON. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE THE INDUSTRIAL. MOST OF THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES ARE ALL ON ONE SIDE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY. AND THERE'S TONS OF BUS STOPS ON THAT STREET THERE. YEAH, A QUESTION, WALKOVERS, YOU KNOW, I BRING IT UP AGAIN, 15TH STREET. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE A BREAKTHROUGH THERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE COOPERATE? AND WHERE DO WE GO FOR THE DO? DO WE? SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS I WOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION WITH AN APPROPRIATION BILL FOR THAT PROJECT, AND WE WOULD APPROPRIATE THE MONEY. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME OTHER GRANT FUNDING PRIVATE, WHERE DO WE STAND TODAY? WE'RE LOOKING AT IT YET IS STEVE, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 16TH STREET? 16TH STREET? I THINK WE HAD THE STRUCTURAL IS LOOKING AT TYING IN ON THE RESIDENTS SIDE OF THE. YEAH, WE'VE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE RESIDENT THAT THAT LIVES THERE THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER LOOKING AT THE RETAINING WALL AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE WALK OVER, WHICH IS WHAT THE RESIDENT WANTS. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD FROM THERE. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING THIS FOR YEARS. WE HAVE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS JUST LAST YEAR THAT HE BECAME COOPERATIVE. MORE COOPERATIVE. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THERE'S YOU KNOW, SETTLED LAWSUIT AND AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY 20 YEARS AGO. WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO THERE. YEAH, I JUST I THINK THERE MAY BE IN THE FUTURE, THE NEAR FUTURE, A SAFETY ISSUE. JUST MY AMATEUR OPINION. WELL, WE ARE PUTTING MONEY INTO IT RIGHT NOW TO REPAIR THE STEPS. CORRECT, CORRECT. AND THAT GOING ON RIGHT NOW. [INAUDIBLE] WE DISCUSSED IT BUT DECIDED IT WAS. NOT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A, PUT A PIECE OF TAPE ACROSS IT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST AN EYESORE. I YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE TO CLOSE IT, IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO IT. YEAH. THAT WILL AFFECT THE WHOLE AREA THERE. SO. OKAY. WE HAD WE HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER EVALUATED TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH, THEY GAVE IT A COUPLE OF YEARS OF LIFE. SO WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE END. BUT IF YOU GET RAIN LIKE THIS, THOUGH, THAT THING MAY SLIDE JUST AGAIN. AMATEUR ENGINEER. OKAY, THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. SO WITH THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS, YOU SAID THEY'RE MULTI-YEAR. CITY MANAGER, DID YOU? DID YOU MEAN THEY'LL START TODAY? THIS YEAR? BUT THEY'LL CONTINUE ON OR THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED YEARS PAST. THERE ARE THESE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF COMPLETION. [00:30:03] ARE ANY OF THEM ON THE LAST YEAR? WELL, SO THE NEW ERP SYSTEM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO LIVE IN FEBRUARY. SO THEY HAVE NOT. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR THE LAST YEAR, THEY HAVEN'T INVOICED US. SO I EXPECT PROBABLY IF NOT BY FEBRUARY, IF NOT BEFORE FEBRUARY, BY FEBRUARY, THAT WILL BE INVOICED OUT AND THAT 125 FOUR. AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION FOR AHERN. THAT'S HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE CONSTRUCTION WILL LAST, STEVE? SO THAT WOULD BE MOST OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL COME OFF. AND THEN THAT 125 FOR SIDEWALKS IS, IS ALL THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON JACK RUSSELL'S SIDEWALKS. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS YOUR CURRENT YEAR? OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUDGET. AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THESE AND, AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM INTO THE BUDGET. YOU'LL HAVE AT LEAST $1.9 MILLION TO PLAY WITH. WE GOT 1.5 IN THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES. THAT IS ABOVE THE 50% RESERVE REQUIREMENT. SO WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT 1.5 PLUS THE $400,000 WE JUST FREED UP ON THE CURB AND GUTTER. SO THERE'S 1.9. LET ME CLARIFY, BECAUSE YOU'RE CONFUSING ME. YOU SAID THAT'S ABOVE THE 50% RESERVE REQUIREMENT. I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED IS NUMBER FOUR THERE? WE TALKED ABOUT THE IT'S THE SIZE. SO THESE ARE NOT ON. RIGHT? THESE ARE NOT FUNDED. THEY ARE IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. OKAY. AS. HOW DO I GET SOMETHING OUT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. WE CAN AMEND IT OR. YEAH, I JUST I YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE, OR YOU CAN NOT GET CITY MONEY. IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST NOT TO FUND THE PROJECTS UNTIL THE NEXT PART. I WAS JUST GETTING THE PROCEDURE RIGHT, BUT. OKAY. GOTCHA. WE. BILL. OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THE BASEBALL UPGRADES HOSTAGE UNTIL WE HAVE A CONTRACT. OH, NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO THEM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY FAIR AND MY KID PLAYS THERE, SO DON'T. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING PERSONAL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, A CONTRACT WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE NOT PLAYING NICE. SO LET ME LET ME ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO DISAGREE. BUT IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE I MET WITH THE HEAD OF BASEBALL. HE'S DONE AND IS DOING EVERYTHING. WE'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S HELD HIM UP NOW IS THE REQUEST FOR AN AUDITED FINANCIAL, WHICH IS WITH THE CPA. SO THAT'S IMMINENTLY GOING TO COME. I HEAR YOU, THOUGH. I THINK WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET. ANYWAYS, WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT RESOLVED BY THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING. AND IF NOT, WOULD YOU BRING THAT UP AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, AND JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET. SO ITEMS TWO AND THREE ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY. OKAY. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOLDING IT UP. IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. YES SIR. YEAH I DON'T I DON'T, NOT, THE WORD HOSTAGE DOESN'T I DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT WORD BECAUSE WHAT YOU REALLY DO. AND WHEN WE DO THOSE THINGS AND WE KNOW THAT KELLY IS GOING TO COME THROUGH WITH ALL THESE THINGS. HE INHERITED A MESS. BUT WHO SUFFERS WHEN YOU DELAY PROJECTS TO THE KIDS? IT'S NOT KELLY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF HOW WE PLAY HERE. BUT I THINK THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ATLANTIC BEACH KIDS ARE BUYING, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THEM YET. OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER, AS WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING REGIONAL PARKS. IF THIS IF OUR TWO BASEBALL FIELDS, I MEAN, THIS IS PART OF THAT REGIONAL PARK AND THEN WE COULD GET MONEY FROM CITY OF JACKSONVILLE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE CLEARLY WE HAVE REGIONAL CHILDREN PLAYING AT OUR BASEBALL FIELD. [00:35:04] WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BASEBALL FIELDS IN THE COUNTY THAT LITTLE LEAGUES CAN PLAY AT. THAT'S ONE CAVEAT TOO SO MAYBE WE COULD GET MONEY FROM COJ FOR THAT ARGUMENT THE SECOND, OR LOBBY FOR IT. THE SECOND IS. THIS IS STILL OUR PARK. EVEN IF IT IS NOT KELLY'S OR THAT LEAGUE. WOULDN'T WE WANT TO BEAUTIFY IT AND UPGRADE IT, EVEN IF THE CONTRACT DOESN'T WORK OUT? BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSCIOUSLY DECIDE TO BECOME A REGIONAL PARK, THERE'S EXPENSE AT A WEAR AND TEAR AND PARKING AND ENFORCEMENT AND THE OFF DUTY, YOU KNOW, CLEANUP AND TRASH AND ALL THAT. AND WE NEVER DECIDED TO BECOME ONE. WE'VE SORT OF BECOME ONE BEHIND THE SCENES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE CONTRACT HERE. SO IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO DO THAT, THAT THAT'S ONE THING. BUT JUST TO LET IT GROW OUT OF CONTROL, THEN WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD WITH PARKING FOR THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE USE THIS PARK FOR, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET AND AND OTHER EVENTS. AND MY BIG PRIORITY THIS YEAR WASN'T SO MUCH JACK RUSSELL AS IT WAS DONNER. THE BASEBALL FIELD AND DONNER IS, IS GROSSLY NEGLECTED BY OUR CITY AND NEEDS REFURBISHMENT THERE IN THAT AREA. FOR MANY REASONS. NOT JUST BECAUSE ATLANTIC BEACH BASEBALL ASSOCIATION PLAYS THERE OR COULD PLAY THERE TO OFFSET THE CROWDING HERE, BUT BECAUSE THE CHILDREN OVER IN MAYPORT, WEST OF NEWPORT, DESERVE THAT TOO. SO THAT THAT WAS MY FULL PRIORITY AND PUSH FOR THAT PRIORITY. AND I WONDERED THAT WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, TOO, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S RUSSELL PARK, BUT THE LIGHTING REPAIRS FOR NUMBER THREE IS THAT'S DONNER, THAT'S DONNER AND I IT WAS UNDER MY IMPRESSION THAT DONNER WAS IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, WE ARE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE THAT'S WHAT WE THINK. SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING IS I HAD TO TAKE OUT SOME PROJECTS BECAUSE WE EXCEEDED, WE WOULD HAVE GONE INTO RESERVES. RIGHT. SO WHAT I MADE THE DECISION TO DO WAS NOT TO GO INTO RESERVES. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE 1.5 MILLION OVER THE MAXIMUM WE CAN HOLD IS NOT GO INTO RESERVES AND ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE HOW THOSE RESERVES ARE SPENT. I KNOW THAT OUR, I DON'T EVEN THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAM, WHICH I GUESS IS RUN BY THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, THEY DO FLAG FOOTBALL AND THEY UTILIZE THAT BASEBALL FIELD IN DONNER. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ATLANTIC BEACH BASEBALL ASSOCIATION RECEIVING THESE REFURBISHMENTS. IT AFFECTS ALL CHILDREN IN THAT AREA WHO UTILIZE THAT PARK. SO I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM. THEY'RE ALSO 12. WHY SOD AT A DOG PARK AND NOT. IT'S ALL DIRT NOW. WELL I THINK SHE'S SAY IN VERSUS ARTIFICIAL VERSUS ARTIFICIAL. I MEAN, WHOEVER PUT SOD IN THERE. DO YOU HAVE A DOG? I CAN ANSWER. THE PROBLEM THERE IS IF YOU GO ON THE WALKWAY, THE SOD IS FALLING INTO THE LAKE. SO IT'S NOT ONLY THE SOD, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALKWAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING PRIMARILY AND ALL THE WAY AROUND. REMEMBER, THAT ALSO SERVES TWO PURPOSES, NOT JUST DOG PARK. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO A WATER COLLECTION. AND WE HAVE THAT BULKHEAD IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT, DON'T WE? THERE'S NO BULKHEAD IN IT. I WAS TALKING ABOUT. IT WAS SOMETHING. THAT WAS THE 90,000 BULKHEAD. YEAH, THERE WAS A 90,000 FOOT PAD THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THERE. I BELIEVE THAT PROJECT CAME OUT AS WELL. YEAH, WE PULLED THAT ONE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THE DOG PARK AT AQUATIC IS DIRT, I GUESS, I SUPPOSE. BUT THE OTHER DOG PARK IN MAYPORT, THE ROSE DOG PARK. THAT ONE IS JUST DIRT. MUD? PLEASE DON'T PUT SOD AGAIN. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE HERE, THIS ONE THROUGH 12. THESE ARE ALL STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, WHICH THE COMMISSION HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON THE LIST HERE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE FUNDED, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON THE LIST. AND AND THE NUMBER INDICATES THE PRIORITY WITHIN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR YOUR STAFF. OKAY, STAFF. SO THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS WHEN DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS AND ACTUALLY VOTE ON WHAT TO DIRECT YOU TO PUT IN THE BUDGET. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS LET ME FINISH GOING THROUGH ALL THE ENHANCEMENTS SO THAT $51 MILLION IS THE OPERATING BUDGET. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME CARRYOVERS. AND THEN THE ENHANCEMENTS, IF WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. AND THEN YOU CAN PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN. [00:40:02] ALL RIGHT. BUT ARE YOU THINKING WE'RE DOING THAT TODAY. IT'S MY HOPE THAT YOU WILL DO THAT TO SEE THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. YES, SIR. GOOD. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THAT. I WANT TO STUDY IT. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE I CAST A VOTE, BECAUSE IF YOU ASK ME TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET CALCULATORS OUT AND START WRITING IT DOWN AND TOTAL IT UP. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WELL INTO THE COMMISSION MEETING. WELL, THEN WE'LL NEED TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORKSHOP. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER WORKSHOP. SO THEN WHAT? YOU'RE. THEN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THAT WE SUBMIT A BUDGET ORDINANCE FOR THE NEXT MEETING AT $51 MILLION, AND THE COMMISSION'S GOT A BUNCH OF AMENDMENTS TO IT. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. I PREFER NOT TO DO THAT. OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN. YES, SIR. SO OUTSIDE OF THESE THINGS HERE. WHAT ELSE? WHAT OTHER PROJECTS ARE OUT THERE THAT WE'D BE GOING UP FOR CONSIDERATION TO THAT ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET TODAY, THAT WE COULD BE? MORE SLIDES. YEAH. THERE'S MORE SLIDES. OKAY. WE GOT WE GOT TO THE FIRST ONE AND WE GOT WE GOT OFF TRACK HERE, SO LET'S LET HIM. 1.9 OR 5. SO WE HAVE $1.5 MILLION ABOVE THE MAXIMUM 50%. BUT I IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE COMMISSION KIND OF TACITLY JUST BY CONSENSUS, AGREED TO AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE $500,000 REPLACE BROKEN CURB AND GUTTER AND ROYAL PALMS TO DROP THAT TO 100 K. THAT WOULD OPEN UP ANOTHER $400,000. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING TO 1.9 FROM I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST AS AN ASIDE, BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO CARRY 50%. YOU CAN GO BELOW THAT IN THE RESERVES. WE HAVE TO CARRY 25%. I MEAN ARGUABLY WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CARRY THAT. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDINANCE. BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS TO CARRY A MINIMUM OF 85%. SO WE'RE BASICALLY THE THE WAY THE MATH WORKS OUT IS EVERY 5% INTO THE RESERVES IS $1 MILLION. SO IF THE COMMISSION WAS COMFORTABLE CARRYING 45% RESERVES, THAT'D BE ANOTHER MILLION. SO YOU'D HAVE $2.9 MILLION TO DO. JUST SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE BALLPARK OF WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND. YES, I WOULD PUT THE CAVEAT ON THAT. THINK MILITARY TOO, IS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THIS FOR NEXT YEAR. CORRECT. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON A MILLAGE RATE. CORRECT. OH, MILLAGE. YEAH, YEAH. SO MILLAGE WILL DIRECTLY IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DO THE MATH AS WE GO THROUGH IT. SO THE BUDGET IS PROPOSED AT THE 2.84 OKAY. SORRY IF YOU LOWER IT. YEAH. BUT I MEAN. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. YES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO THESE ARE THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ASKING FOR. WHERE ARE THE PARK SIGN ENHANCEMENTS? THE LANDSCAPING, MORE ENTRANCEWAY, FEATURE SIGNS. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE YOU ALSO SEE THE ADDITIONAL $20,000 FOR THE AMERICA 2050 CELEBRATION. WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WERE SCHEDULED FOR YEAR 26 THAT ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. WHAT YOU'LL SEE THE THE BIG HEAVY ONE THERE IS THE DUTTON ISLAND PARK. REPLACE THE CAUSEWAY BRIDGE SHEET PILING AT $900,000. I BELIEVE STEVE AND RICK HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND WE COULD PROBABLY GO IN AT LEAST ONE MORE YEAR ON THAT. SO IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO FUND THAT, THAT WE COULD NOT, WE CAN DEFER THAT ANOTHER YEAR. AND YOU'LL SEE THE BULKHEAD ON THE POND FOR $90,000 HERE AS WELL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THAT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. IF YOU WANT, I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, OR I CAN JUST, I THINK WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS IF WE SEE FIT, BUT GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS WANTS. AND I HAVE EACH OF THE DIRECTORS THAT HAVE ENHANCEMENTS ON THE LIST SO THAT YOU CAN ASK THEM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE NUMBER ONE IS A BUILDING MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN. THE DIRECTOR BELIEVES STRONGLY HE NEEDS ANOTHER PERSON THERE. YOU WILL ALSO SEE THE VERY LAST ITEM. IT SAYS STORMWATER REPLACE VAC TRUCK 50/50 SPLIT WITH UTILITIES. [00:45:05] THESE. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A SEWER. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SEWERS IN THE BACK. THAT $250,000. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST BUY THE TRUCK OUT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOUR DECISION. YOU OKAY? TROY? I DON'T HAVE TO SHARE. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD. YOU SHOULD BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. BUT, BILL, JUST A YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RENT, RIGHT. ADDING PERSONNEL LIKE, I'M GOING TO PUT MY TWO CENTS IN FOR MY ARBORIST LATER ON. YEAH, BUT THAT'S A RECURRING COST. THAT'S A RECURRING COST. OKAY. SO THAT IS IN THE BUDGET. IN THE BUDGET? PERPETUITY. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, WE'VE GOT A BUILDING MAINTENANCE TECH HERE. THAT'S A BODY. THEN IF WE DO THE ARBORIST, THAT'S A BODY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BODIES ANYWHERE BURIED IN HERE? NO, I THINK I DON'T THINK, CHIEF. YOU DON'T, YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN OFFICER. YOU'RE TALKING NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? NO. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TWO BODIES THAT WILL TALK TO ME. OKAY. OH, COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. SO I SEE NUMBER 18 IS ON THERE. THAT'S 100,000. BUT MR. ANDREWS DID MENTION IT WAS 158. WAS THAT 148? I THINK 148. RIGHT. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE COST? WE DON'T HAVE A, HE HAS A QUOTE AND I THINK WE HAVE A IF YOU WERE TO ASK STEVE OR I, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE THAT IT NEEDED JUST YET. OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY HAVE A QUOTE FOR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC LIKE, FEATURES. WE NEED TO GET A, I THINK STAFF WOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE TO FOR WORKING WITH THE NEPTUNE, IDENTIFYING THE LIGHT FEATURES THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE. GET A QUOTE FOR THOSE. AND IF THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY WANTS SOMETHING BIGGER AND BETTER THAN THAT, THAT THEY FUND THE DIFFERENCE. OH I SEE. THAT MAKES SENSE. MY HISTORY ON THIS IS THAT WHEN WE HEARD IT WAS IN THE BUDGET IN NEPTUNE. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR NEPTUNE BEACH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN PHILLY. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT WAS MORE OF A IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, ETC. AND THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM. I'VE WATCHED THIS FOR FOUR YEARS, GO BACK AND FORTH. SO THE PART OF THE ISSUE OBVIOUSLY THESE THINGS INCREASE IN COST EVERY YEAR. SO THERE WILL COME A TIME LIKE LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE ONE THAT COLLAPSED DURING THE DONNA OUTSIDE BY SHORELINES. THEY YOU KNOW, IT JUST RUSTED. BUT SO THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THEY'RE NOT BANKRUPT EITHER. OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE, THEIR MATH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN IS THE TAKE ON IT TO WE DEAL WITH OUR SIDE, WE PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN BEACHES TOWN CENTER FOR WHATEVER UPGRADED VERSION THEY WANT. THEY COVER THE REST. WELL, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT THE CHALLENGE IS ATLANTIC BOULEVARD IS IS A DIVIDING LINE, NOT JUST BETWEEN THE TWO MUNICIPALITIES, BUT BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AS WELL. SO [INAUDIBLE] IS THE NORTHERN SIDE AND BEACHES UTILITY IS THE SOUTHERN SIDE. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING FIXTURES THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE WILLING TO. AND THEY MET. YEAH. AND THEY MATCH. CORRECT. SO YEAH. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. YEAH I JUST YOU KNOW WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE RESPECTFUL BALL ON THE GROUND RIGHT. THE REST OF THEIR WRESTLING WHEN WE GET TO THEM. RIGHT. WELL THERE IS NO FIXING THEM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YEAH. WE NEED TO RESOLVE WE GOT OPINIONS, BUT LET'S NOT BE SURE ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE WENT WELL. WE'VE BEEN OKAY. YOU'RE ON THE AGENCY. WE DO THAT. THAT'S THE WAY I THINK RICK COULD TALK TO THAT ON THE THE POST. THE LAMP POST. I KNOW, TALK TO A LOT OF IT. THE CURRENT LAMP POSTS ARE HEAVILY ERODED. HE DID NOT SAY THERE WERE ANY STRUCTURAL ISSUES. ACTUALLY, TONIGHT IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF ONE COLLAPSING. HE DID SAY THAT ANY LAMP POSTS THAT GO IN THERE WILL REQUIRE NEW FOUNDATION. YES, THE FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE GROUND RIGHT NOW WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE REUSED. THEY DON'T MEET CURRENT CODE. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. NO. THEY JUST STRUCTURALLY WILL NOT HAND. OKAY. NEW QUESTION. SO I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION IT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THIS AND THEN VOTE ON SOMETHING. THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE BEACH'S TOWN CENTER, AND SPECIFICALLY, MR. [00:50:02] BOLE, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED, HAVE WORKED ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT CITY MANAGERS DURING THE PERIOD AND SO ON. I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO TO ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, AND IT'S GONE UP A YEAR OVER YEAR. NOW IT'S GETTING PRETTY EXPENSIVE. WE CAN'T DO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAMP POSTS UNLESS WE CAN CONVINCE THEM TO BUY THE SAME ONES, THAT WE COULD GET A REASONABLE COST FROM JEA, THEN WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE THERE AND PUTTING IT OFF ON THE BEACH'S TOWN CENTER BECAUSE OF OUR THREE YEAR DELAY. AND SERIOUSLY, AND IF SOMEBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION HERE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT CITY MANAGERS DURING MY MAYORSHIP, AND WE DON'T SEEM TO GET FIVE YEARS. WELL, OKAY. WE DON'T GET IT DONE. I DON'T I REALLY JUST SAY LET'S JUST PUT IT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. THAT WOULD I THINK SO. I MEAN, IT, ONE FELL. GOOD GOD, YOU WANT IT TO FALL. SO THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD. I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WHEN IT. DONNA, SOMEBODY BACKED INTO IT AND NOT THE ONE I SAW THE ONE OVER IN, BUT IT WAS IN NEPTUNE. SO IT DIDN'T FALL BECAUSE A TRUCK HIT. IT FELL BECAUSE SOMEBODY LEANED UP AGAINST IT. THIS IS. THAT'S NOT DONNA. THIS THE ONE THAT FELL WAS DURING THE DONNA MARATHON, RIGHT? IT BENT. YEAH, BUT IT HAPPENED ON THE NEPTUNE BEACH SIDE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S. MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PUT IN $100,000 UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAD A PLAN. AND THEN WHATEVER THE GAP IS, IF THERE IS A GAP, THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHAT PORTION OF THAT THE TOWN CENTER COULD FILL AND WHAT PORTION OF THE CITY WANTED TO APPROPRIATE TO FILL, BUT WE'D HAVE A PLACEHOLDER OF $100,000. THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION WANTED TO GO. OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE ONE BY ONE. BUT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MOVEMENTS AND THE DITCH MAINTENANCE AND THE STORM DEBRIS REMOVAL, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED ALL OF THOSE. YES. OKAY. ANY MORE SLIDES? I, I KNOW THAT THE TIDE VIEWS REPLACEMENT OF THE PIER. THE DOCK HAD TO BE HALTED IN SOME WAY, SOME FASHION. I DO SEE IT ON YOUR PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IT'S THE FOURTH BULLET. TIDEVIEW PARK ADA ACCESS. BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T COMPLETE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THAT SUNSET PIER BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT MORE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE COSTLY. SO IT'S THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. IT'S UNDER PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IT'S THE FOURTH ONE DOWN TIDE VIEW PARK ADA ACCESS. BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO REPLACING A LOT OF THOSE THAT WERE COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED ON THAT SUNSET PIER. OH IT IS. OKAY. THIS IS THE MIDDLE BOARDWALK. THE POLICE ON THE NORTH BOARDWALK. OKAY. IT'S CLOSED RIGHT NOW IS THE ISSUE. THIS IS THE MONEY TO FIX THAT COMPONENT. I SEE, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT AS WELL. [INAUDIBLE] THE 15,000 TO THE ADA ACCESS. THAT'S STRICTLY TO MAKE THE RAMP. THE WALK OVER GOING OUT TO THE SUNSET PIER IS ALREADY ADA COMPLIANT IF ACCESSED FROM THE CURRENT PAVED SURFACE UP ONTO THE BOARDWALK. I SEE FROM THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE BATHROOM IS, USUALLY GOES ALONG THE BAY SURFACE THAT WAS NOT IN THE PARKING LOT. THE THERE'S A SURFACE GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO WHERE THE SUNSET PIER BOARDWALK FALLS. OKAY. ALL THOSE FEES PAID. THIS IS TO BUILD AGAIN. I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. LET'S GO ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC SAFETY HAS TWO ENHANCEMENTS TO REPLACE SOME OUTSIDE AIR CONDITIONED AIR HANDLERS AND NEW SPEED DISPLAY TRAILER, PUBLIC UTILITIES. THESE ARE THE CARRY FORWARDS. SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THEIR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET THAT THEY DIDN'T GET TO. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THESE PROJECTS WILL ROLL BACK INTO THE UTILITY FUND. AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST RE APPROPRIATE THEM BACK FOR THESE SAME PROJECTS. SO IN THE BUDGET IT'S KIND OF A NET WASH. THE FUNDS FROM THIS YEAR WILL GO INTO THE RESERVES. AND IF YOU APPROVE THESE PROJECTS TO STAY IN THE BUDGET, THEY'LL JUST COME BACK OUT AND YOU WON'T NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE. [00:55:02] BUT WHAT YOU WILL NOTICE ARE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ENHANCEMENTS. GOOD LORD. TROY HAS A A BIG LIST OF ENHANCEMENTS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, HE IS WELL DOWN IN WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR, AND HE'S GOT ABOUT $8 MILLION IN THE WATER FUND AND THE SEWER FUND. AND RESERVES. SO THE ADVANTAGE TROY HAS IS EVEN IF YOU FUND ALL OF THESE, IT WILL STILL BE, I BELIEVE HE'LL STILL BE LESS THAN WHAT HE WAS LAST YEAR. AND EVEN IF HE CAN'T GET TO ALL OF THEM, THEY'LL JUST ROLL BACK INTO THE UTILITY FUND. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND FUND HIS ANNOUNCEMENT. ARE YOU SAYING HE CAN FUND OR PUBLIC UTILITIES CAN FUND COMPLETELY THE VAC TRUCK INSTEAD OF 50% SHARE? YES. YES. YOU NOTICED THAT? YEAH. BILL. SOME DECISIONS ARE EXECUTIVE DECISIONS. WELL, IN THAT CASE, THEN, IT'S YOUR TRUCK, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE IT. I'M JUST KIDDING. I THINK WE JUST NEED. BUT HE STORES IT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD. SO. YEAH. POSSESSION. HE HAS TO GET THE KEY FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO GET HIS TRUCK. I'M SURE YOU COULD DO THAT, THOUGH. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE VERY LAST SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THESE WERE THE UPGRADES THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR DOG PARK UPGRADES. THE CITY WORKS. THIS WAS ONE OF YOUR PRIORITIES. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CITY WORKS IS FUNDED IN UTILITIES. CORRECT? SO THAT ONE, THAT ONE, THAT'S WHY IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR, AS IT'S ALREADY FUNDED. DONNA PARK UPGRADES. SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE LIGHTING AS WELL AS THE DUGOUTS. AND THEN AN ARBORIST, WHICH CAME UP, I GUESS, TWO MEETINGS AGO. THERE'S 75, $74,000 AND THEN ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE. THEY APPLIED TO ARC, BUT WE REJECTED IT AS ELIGIBLE. IT'S THE BOY SCOUT. BUT, YEAH, THE THE RENOVATION OF THEIR HUT. THE GRANTS THAT ARC GIVES OUT ARE ALL PROGRAMMATIC. SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOGA. IT'S TIED TO [INAUDIBLE] IT'S PROGRAMS, IT'S NOT CAPITAL. BUT THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE GRANTS THAT THEY ISSUE DIRECTLY. SO I PUT A $5,000. IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT I RUN IT TO SIT IN YOUR HEAD. THERE'S $5,000 THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THE COMMISSION AS PART OF THEIR DIRECT GRANTS. I ALLOCATE TO THE BOY SCOUTS. SO WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE ON WHAT MOVES FORWARD. COMMISSIONER KELLY, SO I WASN'T EXPECTING IT TO BE A FULL TIME ARBORIST. YEAH, WE PART TIME IS ALSO AN OPTION. YEAH. SO I'M GIVING YOU THE NUMBER. THERE IS WHAT A FLOOR PLAN WOULD BE. IF YOU WANT TO DO PART TIME, THAT'S THAT'S OKAY AS WELL. IF IT'S A FULL TIME ARBORIST, WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY DO WITH IT IS HAVE IT MANAGE THE ENTIRE TREE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO IT WOULDN'T JUST FUNCTION AS A GO TO FOR THE CITIZENS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO MANAGE THE TREE PERMITTING, WHICH WOULD FREE UP SOME TIME FROM OUR TWO PLANNERS WHO MANAGE TREE PERMITS. YES, COMMISSIONER. GOING BACK TO THE DONNER PARK BASEBALL FIELD UPGRADES, SPECIFICALLY THE LIGHT, THE LIGHTING ON THE THE NEIGHBORHOODS PARKS MASTER PLAN. IT WAS ON THERE FOR 65,000, BUT IT DIDN'T DESIGNATE JUST DONNER, SO I WONDERED WHEN WE WENT OVER. IT'S ONE MORE SLIDE OVER IF IT INCLUDED JACK RUSSELL, BUT THEN I SEE IT HERE FOR 35,000 UNDER COMMISSION TWICE. IS THERE A TOTAL OF 100,000 THAT'S GOING TO COST? AND DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE DONNER AND JACK? WHAT'S GOING ON? I MEAN IT WAS ALWAYS INCLUDED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN NUMBER. AND OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THEN WHY IS IT NOW ON THE COMMISSIONERS SIDE OF THE COMMISSIONS ENHANCEMENTS FOR 35, JUST THE. COMMISSION'S PRIORITIES THAT THEY WANTED TO ACHIEVE NEXT YEAR. SO I PUT IT ON THE BUDGET, AS. DOES IT NEED TO BE BOTH, THOUGH, IF IT'S ALREADY LISTED AND. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FUNDED AT ALL. SO PART OF IT WAS IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO LIST? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE BOTH IN THE. OR YOU COULD JUST APPROVE THE PERMISSION ONE THE $35,000, WHICH WOULD BE LIGHTS IN THE DUGOUT FOR DONNA. OKAY. AND THEN AMANDA, WHAT DOES THE 65,000, LOOK AT JACK RUSSELL AND ON DONNER. [01:00:02] WHAT DOES THAT ONE LOOK LIKE? CORNER OF THREE, 5000. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 30,000 IN JACK RUSSELL UPGRADES FOR LIGHTING AND 35,000 FOR DON. NUMBER THREE IN THE PARKS. MASTER PLAN DOESN'T INCLUDE DUGOUT IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S JUST LIGHTING. SO IT'S LIGHTING FOR THE TWO. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE DUGOUT AND DONNER WAS ALREADY DONE. NO, NO, NO, THE DUGOUT IS PART OF THAT COMMISSION PRIORITY. THAT LAST ONE, THAT'S $35,000. THAT'S THE LIGHTS AND THE DUGOUTS AT DONNER PARK. THE VERY LAST SLIDE. SO IT'S DONNER PARK BASEBALL FIELD UPGRADES. THAT'S THAT'S RENOVATING THE DUGOUTS AND THE LIGHTING THERE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT HAS MY CRAW HERE. THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE BASEBALL LISTED ON THE OTHER SLIDE OR THE BASEBALL FIELD UPGRADES, ARE WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT JACK RUSSELL BASEBALL UPGRADES? AND THEN WE'VE NOW PUT ON DONNER TO THE COMMISSION ENHANCEMENT. WHY IS THAT NOT PART OF THE MASTER PLAN WASN'T HERE WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. BUT WHAT I'LL SAY IS THE LIGHT REPAIRS WERE UNIVERSAL TO THE TWO BALL FIELDS. THE COMMISSION, THE YOUR REQUEST WAS SPECIFICALLY TO UPGRADE THE DONNER. SO THAT WE CAME UP WITH THE PRICE JUST FOR THAT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING IN THE DARK THERE2 OBVIOUSLY THE PRICE, IF YOU ALSO WANTED TO DO JACK RUSSELL LIGHT, THE PRICE WOULD BE LOWER. THE COMBINED PRICE WOULD BE LOWER. YES, PLEASE. WHAT? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] LIGHTS? YEAH. I DON'T. I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE LIGHTS. THEY WERE JUST IN THE MASTER PLAN. AS SCHEDULED TO BE UPDATED IN YEAR 26. WHAT ARE. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE DONNER PARK ONES? LAST I HEARD, THEY DON'T EVEN TURN ON. SOME OF THEM DON'T WORK. THEY'RE ALL THE OLD SODIUM LIGHTING, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO THE LED LIGHTS. SO SOME OF THEM DON'T WORK, AND THEY'RE ALL OLDER TECHNOLOGY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TABLE DECISIONS AND MOVE TO A COMMISSION MEETING. IN MY OPINION, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A QUALITY DECISION EVEN IN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO TO SPEAK AT OUR COMMISSION MEETING. THE QUESTION IS IF YOU AGREE TO DO THAT. DO WE ACTUALLY COME BACK AFTER THE COMMISSION MEETING AND RECONVENE THIS MEETING TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD, OR DO WE HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING, OR DO WE USE OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING TO TO VOTE ON THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH. THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE THE FIRST HEARING. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE RESOLVE HOW YOU WANT TO SPEND THE 1.9 PLUS PRIOR TO THAT? WELL, YEAH. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WAY TO DO THAT? WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT? WE'LL NEED A WHOLE MEETING FOR IT ONE BY ONE. I WILL. I THINK I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, ONE THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING TO DO THAT. NUMBER TWO IS THAT WE, EACH OF US, DECIDE WHAT WE WANT OUT OF ALL OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS, NOT TO EXCEED WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE DELTA OF 1.9 MILLION. AND THEN IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO DO AND WE DECIDE WE CAN VOTE ON REDUCING THE EXCESS RESERVES FROM THE 50% TO 45%, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT I WOULD TRY TO TACKLE THE ONE WHAT'S WITHIN BUDGET OR WHAT'S WITHIN REVENUE. NOT GOING BELOW 50% IN RESERVES UNLESS WE DECIDE SEPARATELY. YES. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOME OF US, INCLUDING ME, NEED TO GO DO SOME HOMEWORK ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS. SO AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE IT ON A MONDAY WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE WAY. SO I VOTE FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT. YEAH I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW I CAN GO AHEAD AND GET IT SCHEDULED. LET'S DO THAT. I CAN MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE ANY DAY BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE MONTH. ACTUALLY, NOT THE END OF THE MONTH. THE END OF NEXT MONTH. MONDAYS ARE ALREADY RESERVED ABOUT NEXT MONDAY. YEAH. SO MONDAY. THAT'S LABOR DAY. THAT. NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO MONDAY. YEAH, THAT'S LABOR DAY TUESDAY. NO, I CAN'T GO ON TUESDAY. WELL, WHAT ABOUT ON RETURNING ON WEDNESDAY? WEDNESDAY. I COULD DO WEDNESDAY. HOLD ON. WEDNESDAY THE 27TH. [01:05:05] LET'S SEE HERE. WOULD THAT BE WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 27TH? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WEEK? I DON'T KNOW. I WAS TRYING TO ASK, WHAT IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS WEDNESDAY. THE ESC MEETS HERE. OKAY. SEE THEM ON THE SCHEDULE. WE DO HAVE ART FROM LIKE 9:00 TO 5:00. WELL, THEY'RE IN THE SAME CALENDAR. CALENDAR? THEY'RE NOT ON MY PHONE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT AUGUST 27TH IS ESC ON THE. YEAH, THE 27TH. THIS CHAMBER IS BOOKED. WE DO WE WANT TO DO IT THIS WEEK. MAYOR. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. HOW ABOUT NEXT WEDNESDAY? A WEEK FROM THIS WEDNESDAY. YOU'LL BE BACK RIGHT THERE. YES. LET'S SEE. YEAH, WE COULD DO THE THIRD. WHAT TIME? THE 3RD OF SEPTEMBER. 5:00. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. I AM. FIVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S BOOK IT. AND WHAT TIME WOULD IT BE? FIVE. YES, YES. 5:00. ALL RIGHT. IF IT'S OKAY, I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING AND TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL WE'LL END THIS MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, EVERYONE. AND WE'LL BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES. WELL. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.