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>> THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH,
[CALL TO ORDER]
FLORIDA DATED WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2025, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.WE'LL START. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR COMING AGAIN TO A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS FAIRLY SOON.
[1. PUBLIC COMMENT]
LA DEJA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?I LIVE ON EIGHTH STREET IN OLD ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING ESC. I'M GOING TO GET QUICK.
BACK ON 826, WE SENT A MEMO ASKING FOR A SMALL FUNDING REQUEST OF A TOTAL OF 3,000 FOR AWARDS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR A SECOND ANNUAL AWARDS, IF IT'S NOT COMBINED INTO A CITYWIDE ONE.
THEN $2,000 FOR A QUARTERLY FILM SERIES IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ARK.
THE AVERAGE COMMUNITY LICENSE IS BETWEEN $500-100, AND SO WE'RE BUDGETING 500 FOR EACH COMMUNITY LICENSE.
ARK WOULD CHOOSE TWO FILMS, AND WE WOULD CHOOSE TWO FILMS, BOTH ALL FOR EDUCATIONAL, ALL PER OUR PURVIEW, AND IT WOULD BE ANCHORED WITH A PANEL OF EXPERTS.
IT WOULD BE ANOTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS. THAT'S IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SUBMIT KIND OF FORMAL BUDGET REQUESTS, SO WE TRIED THIS WAY. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S IT? OKAY. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL MOVE TO TOPICS 28. MR. KELLYSWOD.
[2. TOPICS]
>> ARE YOU DRIVING, LADSO? UNTIL MARIA HITS BACK.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR COMMISSION.
SOME OF THESE SLIDES YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, WE'VE KIND OF REWORDED THIS ONE JUST TO TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE THAT THE BUDGET IS BASED ON, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS 2.810, WHICH IS THE SAME MILLAGE RATE AS LAST YEAR, AND THAT GENERATES 8,000,740, $703.
THE ROLLBACK RATE IS 2.632, WHICH WOULD GENERATE THAT MUCH LESS, A MAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED FOR A MILLAGE RATE OF 2.7499 OR LESS, AND TWO THIRDS VOTE IS REQUIRED FOR ANYTHING ABOVE 2.7499.
BUT WE CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN 2.84.
BASICALLY, IF IT FALLS BETWEEN 2.75 AND 2.84, IT REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE.
IF IT'S 2.75 DOWN TO 2.63 IT ONLY REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS HELPFUL OR NOT HELPFUL. [LAUGHTER].
>> YEAH, PROBABLY NOT. ASSUMING WE HOLD THE MILLAGE RATE AS IT IS AT 2.8410, WE WILL REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO PASS THAT?
>> OKAY. THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE?
>> EVERYBODY GOT THAT? WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR THE FINAL?
>> THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE THE MEETING AFTER THAT.
>> OKAY. MIGHT AS WELL ASK NOW, IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING? DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE?
>> OKAY. THAT MIGHT BE PRETTY EASY.
>> YEAH, YOU'LL VOTE ON THE MILLAGE, HE'LL SET THE MILLAGE ON THE SECOND HEARING.
IT WILL BE RESOLUTION THAT COMES JUST THE SECOND ON THE VOTE.
>> WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I'M SHARING THIS ONE AGAIN BECAUSE SOME NUMBERS, BASICALLY THE NUMBERS WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES.
I ROLLED THEIR ENHANCEMENTS INTO THE BUDGET.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ON THE WATER FUND.
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THEY'RE STILL DOWN 20%.WE'RE AT BASICALLY EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS ON THE SEWER FUND.
THE TOTAL BUDGET IS AT 56, REMEMBER LAST TIME IT WAS AT 51.
THAT HAS ALL OF TROY'S ENHANCEMENTS, AND HIS ENTIRE BUDGET IS FUNDED EITHER THROUGH THE WATER FUND OR THE SEWER FUND.
THAT IS THE BULK OF THE CHANGES.
THEN THE REST OF THE SLIDES, I BELIEVE, ARE JUST THE ENHANCEMENTS IN THE COSTS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE SIDE BY SIDE. I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK.
I SENT OUT AN EXCEL THAT HAD A LIST OF THE PROJECTS, THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR THE LAST SIX WORKSHOPS.
I SET HOW I WOULD PRIORITIZE THEM AND IT SAID I WAS A LITTLE OVER THE 1.9 AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE PICKED UP A BOWL.
WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS GAVE US THE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS.
MR. MAY, YOU MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF YOU KNOW WHERE WE SEE THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENT.
MAYBE WE JUST MOVED THOSE ABOVE THE LINE, AND THEN WE DISCUSS THE ONES THAT THERE'S NO AGREEMENT ON AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
IT'S A PROCESS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST START WITH THE FIRST ONE?
>> IS THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE IN YELLOW, ARE THOSE ALL THE ONES THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST SOME FACT AGREEMENT ON?
>> YES. THE ONES IN YELLOW ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED UPON BY O GRANT AND KELLER.
>> ALL THREE. NOW, ON THE FIRST ONE THERE, THE DOG PARK UPGRADES, IS THAT A TYPO BECAUSE IT SAYS 1,000 AS OPPOSED TO [OVERLAPPING]
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TYPO OR [OVERLAPPING].
OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO BUMP IT DOWN.
>> IF THREE PEOPLE PUT IT ON THERE, THAT'S THE MAJORITY.
I RECOMMEND THAT IF THREE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY CONCURRED, THAT'S ABOVE THE LINE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS BASICALLY THE BLANKS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WASN'T FUNDED. I'M GOOD.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS.
YOU POPULATED EXPRESS SHEET WITH B-LEST JUST RIGHT NOW.
CURRENT PERSON JUST CAN HAVE THEIR INFORMATION WAS APPRECIATE WOULD BE WISE, WE COULD MOVE ON SOMETHING ELSE AND GIVE YOU 10 MINUTES TO POPULATE THE SEW THIS OUT RATHER.
>> WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE IDEA THAT THREE CONSTITUTES A MAJORITY, THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADD MINE TO THE DONNER PARK BASEBALL FIELD UPGRADES AND MAKE IT THREE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS MANDATORY THAT IT BE DONE IN ADVANCE.
YEAH, I THINK WE GOT INPUT FROM THREE, SO WE SAID, IF WE SHOW THAT, THEN IT MIGHT HELP US FILTER THROUGH THE PROJECTS QUICKLY.
>> CAN WE SCROLL DOWN? I CAN'T SEE THE REST OF THE SHEET.
THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT JUST JUMPS OUT IS THIS SIX BAY BARN, THAT'S 300,000.
CAN YOU OPINE ON THAT OR ACTUALLY, THAT'S FOR RICK.
RICK, I'M GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU TODAY.
>> I THINK THERE'S SOME FEAR THIS MAY FALL DOWN IF WE DON'T REPLACE IT.
>> THIS IS REPLACEMENT FOR THE WOODEN HOLE BARN THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED ABOUT 2008 WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I SHOWED PICTURES AT MY BUDGET WORKSHOP WHEN WE HAD IT, AND THIS IS TO REPLACE IT WITH A BUILDING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOR THE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS.
>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT. I'M ALL FOR THIS.
THIS IS A NECESSARY IMPROVEMENT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT BELIEF DO WE HAVE THAT WE CAN DO THIS WITHIN THAT BUDGET? BECAUSE REMEMBER, AND PART OF IT WAS HIDDEN STUFF, BUT WHEN WE REDID THE MAIN BUILDING IN THE YARD, WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T SEE UNTIL WE STARTED PULLING IT APART.
>> IN THIS CASE, THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A COMPLETE MEMORY WHAT'S THERE,
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AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SLIGHTLY LARGER.THE DIFFERENCE FOR THIS STRUCTURE COMPARED TO THE TWO WE'VE ALREADY GOT IS THAT THIS WILL BE DOUBLE SIDED SO WE CAN DRIVE BIG EQUIPMENT JUST THROUGH IT RATHER THAN.
>> DO WE HAVE A CURRENT BID OR DO WE HAVE TO REBID THIS?
WE'VE GOTTEN COSTS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE OTHER BARNS TO STORAGE STRUCTURES.
MATT AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS CALL.
>> OKAY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO ADD MY REQUEST ON THAT. LET'S SEE.
>> ON BILLS SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF SHOES SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM.
AT 3.8 MILLION JUST FOR INFORMATION, IF WE WERE TO FUND ALL OF THOSE 3.9, WHERE DOES THAT TAKE ON RESERVES? I KNOW THAT ONLY SPENDING 1.9 KEEPS US AT ROUGHLY 50, I'M GUESSING, IS THAT WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT?
>> IF WE SPENT 3.9, WHERE WAS THE RESERVES?
>> EACH MILLION DOLLAR IS ROUGHLY 5%, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> IF YOU WENT TO 2.9, WE'D BE AT 45%.
IF YOU WENT TO 3.9, WE'D BE AT 40%.
>> NO, I KNOW IT'S BEEN BASED ON THIS DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH VARIOUS SPOKES THAT WE PREFER TO BE VERY PRESERVED AND TO KEEP IT 50.
JUST ABOUT I GUESS THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME.
BUT THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A BIT OF MONEY SITTING THERE, JUST AS A BACKSTOP FOR SOMETHING BAD TO HAPPEN.
IF WE EVER LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME BIG THINGS THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF FUN.
YOU GOT THE 300 FARM, WAS $900,000 FOR ANOTHER LARGE PROJECT ON [OVERLAPPING] IS IT GOING TO KILL US TO TAKE A 40 TEMPORARILY? GOD FORBID, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU CAN PUT A STOP ON PROJECTS UNTIL I DON'T KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING OUT LOUD AND WHY IS 50% SORT OF THE NUMBER THAT WE TYPICALLY GO TO DO? I KNOW IT'S THE MAX WE CAN KEEP, AND THE LOWEST WE KEEP IS 25 SO 40 SEEMS TO BE STILL A NICE CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY ON WHY THE RESOLUTION.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME HERE WHO DO, BUT I THINK IT IS GOOD PRACTICE, EVEN IN YOUR OWN TO CARRY HALF A YEAR OF SAVINGS IN THE BANK JUST IN CASE OF A EMERGENCY.
>> COMMISSIONER KELLY, SHE IS ALL OVER US.
>> I WENT TO A LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES LAST FALL AND 50% OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT THAT MEETING ARE STUNNED BY HURRICANE RECOVERY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HEARD THAT AT THE ANNUAL, BUT GOD FORBID, IT SHOULD HAPPEN TO US.
IF I HAVE TO TRADE SIDE AT THE DOG PARK FOR CUSHION, I'M VOTING FOR THE CUSHION.
>> ECHO SOME OF THAT. BUT REMEMBER THAT SAY WE DO THAT, IT TAKES AWAY FLEXIBILITY NEXT YEAR ALSO.
SAY SOME OF THESE, HEY, I LOVE THEM ALL, BUT SOME OF THESE WE CAN DELAY, WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN ANALYZE.
I LIKE THE 50% BECAUSE MY HISTORY IS SEEN IT UP CLOSE WHEN YOU NEEDED THAT MONEY, AND YOU NEEDED IT NOW.
REMEMBER, AFTER HURRICANE OR DISASTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IT MAY BE TIME BEFORE YOU GET YOUR MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR YOU GET YOUR MONEY.
YOU MAY NEED THAT MONEY FOR THAT GENERATOR WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE FINAL OR YOU MAY NEED THAT MONEY FOR A PERIOD OF [OVERLAPPING] TO BE SOLVENT LIKE THIS AND TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE FLEXIBILITY AWAY FROM THE NEXT COMMISSION AND THE TIME AFTER THAT, AND SOME OF THESE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
>> YES. BRITTANY, DOES JPO HAVE RECOMMENDED RESERVES?
>> IS IT 50%? DOES IT IMPACT OUR AUDIT RESULTS IN ANY WAY IF WE DROP BELOW SOME NUMBER?
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>> THAT'S GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION?
>> THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS A 50% RESERVE?
>> I ALSO WANT TO SUPPORT TRYING TO STAY AT OR CLOSE TO 50%, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
YEAR OVER YEAR, SO WE GO DOWN ON THE RESERVES, BUT THEN WE REPLENISH BECAUSE WE HAVE EXCESS RECEIPTS.
MOST NOTABLY, FROM THE PENDING SALES TAX? NO?
>> USUALLY, IT'S FROM PROJECTS NOT BEING COMPLETED DURING THE CURRENT YEAR.
THE FUNDS JUST HIT FUND BALANCE AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SPENT.
>> ALL RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAVE $100,000 IN SUPPLIES, AND WE ONLY SPEND 50,000, THEN 50,000 OF THAT GOES BACK INTO THE RESERVES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
IF WE HAVE A $200,000 PROJECT THAT DOESN'T GET DONE, THEN THAT $300,000 GOES BACK INTO THE RESERVES.
>> ALL RIGHT. THIS GETS MUDDIED BECAUSE THEN WE PUT IT ON THE NEXT BUDGET AND PULL IT BACK OUT.
BUT WHERE DID WE START THIS FISCAL YEAR IN RESERVES AND WHERE ARE WE FINISHING?
>> WE WERE, WHAT? AROUND 44, 46%, SOMEWHERE IN THERE?
>> WE PICKED UP MORE THAN THE 4% DELTA TO 50% BECAUSE WE'RE OVER 50% CURRENTLY.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS BODY WANTS TO SPIN DOWN SOME OF THAT, KNOWING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY REPLENISH IT, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT IF IT REALLY MEANS SOMETHING.
I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A THROTTLE OR OUR GOVERNOR ON OUR DESIRE TO SPEND THE PURSE.
BECAUSE IF WE SAID, OKAY, ANYTHING OVER 25%, THEN THAT'S FIVE MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU MIGHT SPEND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S PRUDENT AT ALL, BUT JUST SAY IT.
COULD WE TRY TO FINISH THIS EXERCISE USING THE DELTA OF, WHAT DO YOU GOT HERE? ONE MILLION AND NINE THIRTY FOUR, JUST CALL IT 1,000,009, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, OUT OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT 1,000,009, DO WE IN FACT WANT TO SPEND DOWN ANY OF THE RESERVES? IS THAT OKAY?
>> OKAY. OPEN CONVERSATION ON THAT BUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE THREE VOTES OR MORE?
>> SHALL WE GO BACK TO THE TOP AND SEE WHAT WE DON'T HAVE? LET'S JUST TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE.
WELL, THE ARBORIST ONLY HAS TWO.
MR. BOLE AND COMMISSIONER KELLY.
SINCE I HAVEN'T VOTED, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THIS ONE I REALLY GRAPPLED WITH, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE ARBORIST.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW PRECISELY WHAT THAT PERSON IS DOING.
I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS NOW WITH MR. KILLINGSWORTH ON IT.
I THINK THE IDEA THAT THAT ARBORIST WOULD ALSO TAKE AS A RESPONSIBILITY THE ISSUANCE OF TREE PERMITS AND SO ON.
IF WE COULD GET MORE ROBUST ON WHAT THIS PERSON IS DOING, THEN I THINK MAYBE WE VOTE FOR THAT.
>> ALSO, IS THIS A FULL TIME POSITION? DOES IT HAVE TO BE A FULL TIME POSITION?
>> I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE.
>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
THE PRICE TAG YOU SEE THERE IS FOR A FULL TIME POSITION.
>> IT'S HALF TIME OR FULL TIME?
>> I'M GUESSING HAVING THE ARBORS.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE ONLY MAYBE YOU NEED TO HEAR WOULD MORE ABOUT IT TO COME AROUND.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ARBORS IN OUR CITY, WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT REQUIRE ARBORIST TO DECLARE TREES DEAD BEFORE THEY CAN CUT IT DOWN WITHOUT REALLY GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS.
IF THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE ARBORIST INSPECT THE TREE AND DECLARE DEAD, THEN IT CAN'T BE CUT DOWN WITHOUT ANY FARE.
MAYBE I'M MAKING TO ASSUMPTION, BUT IF WE SOMEHOW MOVE THAT ROLE TO THE CITY ARBORIST, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE BRINGING THAT INTO THE CITY BECAUSE IN MY MIND, THAT ARBORIST NEEDS TO BE AN OBJECTED THIRD PARTY, NOT ON ANYBODY'S PAYROLL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A TREE IS CUT DOWN BASED ON ITS HEALTH.
IN THAT SENSE, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY OR THE ESC DECLARING HOWEVER MANY THEY WANT TO,
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SAY, THIS IS A GOOD LIST OF ARBORISTS.IF YOU PICK RESIN, IF YOU PICK AND WANT THOSE, THAT THEY ACHIEVE THAT, WE'RE GOOD.
>> I GOT TO COMMENT. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE TO DIRECT WHICH ARBORIST THEY CAN USE.
IT HAS TO BE A LICENSE ARBORIST, ONE SECOND, MR. BOLE, BUT THIS IS KIND OF A REVERSE PREEMPTION.
THIS IS NOT PREEMPTING THE CITIZENS ABILITY TO GET AN INDEPENDENT ARBORIST AND IF THEY WRITE THE LETTER ACCORDINGLY, THEN UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE, THEY WILL REMOVE THAT TREE.
I THINK REVERSE THIS, THIS WAS MORE ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY ON STAFF THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS TO HELP GUIDE THEM IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT TREES AND SO ON AND PROVIDE MORE FEEDBACK TO THE CITY, AND I WANT TO TAG ONTO THAT AND CHALLENGE, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE CODE VIOLATIONS ON CONSTRUCTION AND TREE REMOVAL THAT OCCUR OFTEN ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.
WHEN IT COMES TO TREES, WE CAN'T GET TO THEM TIMELY BEFORE THE DAMAGE IS DONE, THE TREE IS ON THE GROUND.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO TRY TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BUT MY QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS IS, CAN WE GET A MORE ROBUST ENGAGEMENT? AT LEAST GIVE US LIP SERVICE AT THE VERY MINIMUM, THAT CITY STAFF WHO HAVE VEHICLES THAT DRIVE AROUND THIS CITY ARE ACTUALLY CHARGED WITH KEEPING THEIR EYES OPEN AND REPORTING BETTER TO CITY LEADERSHIP.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT, I SEE OUR TRUCKS ALL THE TIME AND SO I WONDER WHY WE DON'T HEAR MORE ABOUT VIOLATIONS THAT THEY SEE AND OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THEY PROBABLY WOULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TREES BEING CUT DOWN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE OTHER VIOLATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING THINGS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY DON'T EVER SEEM TO COME TO LIGHT UNLESS THERE'S A CITIZEN COMPLAINT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ARBORIST WITH GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY IN A MORE ROBUST OBSERVATION BY PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE PAYROLL ANYWAYS, DRIVING OUR CITY VEHICLES, JUST SO YEAH.
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THE ARBORIST.
I THINK I'VE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT NUMBER ONE, HE'S A PROFESSIONAL, HE HAS A DEGREE, SHE HAS BEEN TO SCHOOL, UNDERSTANDS THE STATE LAWS, THE CITY CODE, THEY COULD INFLUENCE OUR CODE.
WE'RE ALL AMATEUR ARBORISTS, BUT WE PASS CODE AND WE LOOK AT THAT AND WE SAY, OKAY, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO ONE CITY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS AGAINST THIS.
I POINT TO SOMETHING OBSCURE, WHEN YOU TAKE OUT YOUR ELECTRIC BILL OR NOT ELECTRIC BILL, I'M SORRY, YOUR WATER BILL, WHAT DOES IT SAY ON THE FRONT OF IT? IT SAYS TREE CITY, WE'RE MAKING THAT A PARAMOUNT UP FRONT.
THAT DELINEATES THIS DIFFERENT FROM NEPTUNE BEACH., DIFFERENT FROM JACKS BEACH.
CITIES OUR SIZE HAVE ARBORIST.
INTERESTING. I'VE TRACKED THIS AND I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND YOU MAY LAUGH, BUT ANOTHER THING THAT ARBORIST NEEDS TO DO IS SPEAK SPANISH.
THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE. THEY CAN COMMUNICATE, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, IT'S NOT THE REASON YOU NORMALLY WOULD THINK, BUT WHEN HE GOES TO STOP THEM, AND THEY GO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND IT HAPPENS REGULARLY.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED A PERMIT, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED THIS, INTERESTING YOU WOULD THINK.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE AS A TREE CITY, CAN HELP WITH CODE, CAN GO AHEAD AND PERMIT, CAN GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN GO TO ESC MEETINGS, AND GO, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND I CAN SEE A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS THEY CAN DO.
DOES IT NEED TO BE A FULL TIME GUY? MAYBE NOT. BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO DECIDE.
BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT OURSELVES OUT THERE AS A TREE CITY, AND WE'RE A TREE CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN ARBORIST, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO THIS PERSON.
>> NO, GREAT POINTS. I WILL SAY THAT HAVING AN ARBORIST DOES HELP IN SOME ASPECT.
I WILL SAY THOUGHT THAT IN THE TALKS AND MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO WITH THE ESC, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERTS ON THAT COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO TELL US WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DONE.
IT'S UP TO US TO VOTE ON THOSE THINGS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO GET THE RESIDENTS TO THE TABLE BEFORE THEY START CLEAR CUTTING THINGS.
WE FEEL MOST OF THAT'S COMING FROM A CONTRACT THAT JUST DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH TREES.
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WE'RE TRYING TO INITIATE SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CONTRACTING FOOTPRINT AND THE BEACHES, BUT ALSO TO INCENTIVIZE THE RESIDENT.SOMEHOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON WAYS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
BUT TO GIVE THEM AT FULL 100% FINE ON ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TREE, THEY TALK TO US BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, GET RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO KEEP ONE OF THE BIG OAKS, THE PALM TREES, THEN WE CAN BARGAIN A LITTLE BIT, TAKE SOME PALMS, SAVE A LITTLE, KIND OF DEAL, AND THEN GIVE THEM A LITTLE DISCOUNT OFF ANY FINE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO JUST TO GET THEM TO THE TABLE.
WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS LIKE THAT THAT IF THOSE THINGS GO IN A GREAT GOOD DIRECTION AND WE GET THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, HOW BAD WILL WE NEED AN ARBORIST? WE'LL NEED ONE FULL TIME.
>> MAYOR, ARE YOU FOR THIS? BECAUSE COMMISSIONER RING AND YOU, WE HAVE THREE, AND IF THAT WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH. GO AHEAD.
>> YEAH. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARBORIST, COULD WE NOT CERTIFY SOMEONE IN PUBLIC WORKS FOR THAT AND DO A PART TIME POSITION THERE OR PAY THEM IN THAT REGARD.
IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT?
>> IF THERE'S PUBLIC WORKS RIGHT THERE YOU'RE GOING TO ASK HIM?
>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE EXTRA 4 HOURS CAPACITY IN ANY OF OUR STAFF.
>> THIS WOULD INVOLVE TAKING ONE OF MY STAFF, WHICH I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF PERSONALLY, SPEAKING, AND SENDING HIM SOMEWHERE ESSENTIALLY FULL TIME FOR SIX WEEKS.
>> DO YOU SEE THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB?
>> I THINK WE CAN VERY MUCH COULD USE A FULL TIME GUY IF IN ADDITION TO CONSULTING WITH RESIDENTS, THEY TOOK OVER THE PERMITTING.
>> WHO WOULD THAT PERSON FALL UNDER ANYWAY, IF WE DID HAVE A FULL TIME ARBORIST, WOULD THEY FALL UNDER PUBLIC WORKS?
>> THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY MANAGER OR EITHER BE PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.
>> NO. THEY'D PROBABLY FALL UNDER PERMITTING.
>> YEAH. NEIGHBORHOODS PERMITTING.
>> WELL, HERE'S THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE ARBORIST, YOU GOT TO THINK OF VEHICLE, AND THEN I'M THINKING OF EQUIPMENT.
WHAT ALL GOES WITH THE ARBORIST? IS IT REALLY 74,000 TAX HACK AND TITLE? HAVE WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS? ARE THERE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE A MODEL THAT WE COULD USE?
>> I THINK YES IS THE ANSWER, BUT I WANT TO DEFER TO THE CITY MAYOR.
>> SO YES, 74,000 WOULD BE MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET A VEHICLE FOR THIS EMPLOYEE AND TOOLS?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT HE REQUIRES ANY TOOLS BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T BE TAKING ANY TREES, HE WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT TREES.
>> BUT ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, WE SWAP CARS.
OVER IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, KEVIN, MYSELF, AND STEVE, WE ALL SHARE ONE CAR.
OVER IN PLANNING. WHAT ARE YOU AT? THREE, FOUR. THREE CARS.
THAT INCLUDES OUR BUILDING INSPECTION, THE PLANNERS, AMANDA, EVERYBODY.
WHEN YOU DON'T NEED THE CAR, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN USE THE CAR.
WE DON'T HAVE A CAR FOR EVERY SOUTH PERSON WHO GOES OUT.
>> DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY TREE APPLICATIONS GET ON ANNUAL BASIS? I GET THE SENSE THAT WITHOUT GETTING MANY PEOPLE JUST CUTTING WHAT THEY WANT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE AFTERMATH.
>> I THINK WE GET QUITE A FEW, BUT AMANDA IF YOU CAN COME UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WHAT YOU HEAR ABOUT ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T PULL A PERMIT AND YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT ALL THE OTHERS THAT ARE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
>> IT DEPENDS ON THE YEAR, BUT WE GET ANYWHERE 150-300 PERMITS A YEAR FOR TREES.
IT IS A LONG PROCESS, DOES REQUIRE A LOT OF STAFF TIME.
WE MAKE AT LEAST THREE VISITS TO ONE SITE WITH ONE PERMIT.
WE MAKE IT BEFORE THE TREES COME DOWN, WE MAKE IT DURING CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING IS UP.
OFTENTIMES THAT'S DOWN, SO WE'RE BACK AT THE SITE MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THAT, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR AT THE END OF THE PERMITTING WHEN THEY'VE INSTALLED THE TREES.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING YOUR TEAM DOES ALREADY?
>> WE DO. WE HAVE ONE STAFF PERSON, THIS IS PRIMARILY ALL THAT STAFF PERSON IS ABLE TO DO.
HE IS NOT AN ARBORIST, WE ARE NOT ARBORISTS, OFTENTIMES WE GET CALLED OUT IF A TREE IS TRULY DEAD, AND YOU WALK OUT THERE AND IT'S COMPLETELY BROWN OR A LAY PERSON CAN TELL THAT THE TREE IS DEAD,
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THEN WE TECHNICALLY DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT AND WE DON'T ASK YOU TO GET AN ARBORIST TO REMOVE IT.OFTENTIMES WE GO OUT THERE, IT IS IFFY.
THERE MIGHT BE A BRANCH THAT'S DEAD, THERE COULD BE A HOLE IN THE TREE, AS STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE TO LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE, IS THAT TREE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL?
>> DO WE PROVIDE A LIST OF ARBORISTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED?
>> WE DO. WE HAVE A LIST ON OUR WEBSITE OF VERIFIED TREE SERVICE PROVIDERS.
THOSE BASICALLY HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR VETTING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND OUR TREE CODE, SO THEY'VE TAKEN A LITTLE TEST AND THEY DO.
I SEE IT HELPING FOLKS AS WELL IF SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION MAYBE ABOUT A TREE IN THEIR YARD THAT THEY MAYBE SHOULD TAKE DOWN, MAYBE SHOULDN'T TAKE DOWN OR HOW DO I TRIM IT? I COULD SEE THIS POTENTIAL POSITION DOING THAT AS WELL.
WE AS A CITY, OFTENTIMES WILL HIRE AN ARBORIST WHEN WE HAVE A TREE IN THE CITY PARK OR ON THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT, WE'LL HAVE AN ARBORIST WE PAY TO COME AND LOOK AT THAT TREE AS WELL.
I THINK WE COULD REDUCE POTENTIAL LINE ITEMS AND OTHER AREAS.
I BELIEVE LIKE NUMBER 17 DUTTON ISLAND DEAD TREE REMOVAL, IF WE GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S A IFFY TREE, WE THEN HIRE AN ARBORIST TO LOOK AT THOSE TREES AS WELL.
>> HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR THE ARBORIST THAT WE HIRE?
>> IT DEPENDS. THERE'S TYPICALLY AN HOURLY RATE THAT THEY CHARGE.
AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD TO HIRE ARBORIST AS WELL AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES GO.
THE GOING RATE THAT YOU NORMALLY SEE FOR ARBORIST IS AROUND 150 TO $200 AN HOUR., THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL TIME, SO YOU ALSO TYPICALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR TRAVEL TIME.
>> IF THERE ARE 150 TO 300 PERMIT REQUESTS PER YEAR, DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY VIOLATIONS OCCUR EACH YEAR AND/OR SERIOUS VIOLATIONS OF TREE REMOVAL?
>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT WE DO GET CALLED OUT A LOT ON JOB SITES.
WE DO HAVE THE YELLOW SIGN THAT'S POSTED WHEN YOU DO IT CORRECTLY, AND YOU OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT AND A TREE PERMIT, YOU POST A SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY NOTICE OF TREE REMOVAL.
IF WE DRIVE BY AND SEE THAT, WE KNOW YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD.
OFTENTIMES IT'S THESE ARBORS LETTERS BY THIRD PARTIES THAT WE GET CALLED OUT TO, THEY PRODUCE THE LETTER ON THE SPOT.
ROUND TRIP, IT'S 30-45 MINUTES IF WE JUST GET CALLED OUT AND IT'S A FALSE ALARM.
WE DO GET CALLED OUT OFTENTIMES AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARBORS LETTER AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, AND THEN WE TYPICALLY CAN WORK WITH THEM TO GET AN AFTER THE FACT PERMIT.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK A KIND OF A SEGUE QUESTION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR A CITIZEN WHO SEES SOMETHING THEY THINK IS IMPROPER, NO PERMIT SHOWING, IT'S ON A SATURDAY, HOW DO THEY GET HOLD OF CITY STAFF ON?
>> THEY ARE INSTRUCTED IN THAT INSTANCE TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL GO OUT THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT HELP TO US, THEY'LL SAY, HEY, CAN WE SEE YOUR PERMIT? IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM A PERMIT, THEY ASK THEM TO STOP.
THEY USUALLY WILL HELP DOCUMENT IT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS IF YOU'VE TAKEN DOWN THE TREE AND YOU REMOVED ALL THE REMAINS, SOMETIMES CAN'T VERIFY THE SURE TREE'S BEEN REMOVED.
>> SURE. SO HOW DOES A CITIZEN FIND THIS? THEY FIND IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE?
>> I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE AN EMAIL TREES@COAB.US, PEOPLE CAN EMAIL INTO AS WELL.
MOST OF THE TIME, IF THE TREE IS ALREADY CUT, THEY'VE ALREADY KILLED THE TREE. THERE'S NOT A LOT.
>> NO. I GET IT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF WE HAD AN ARBORIST, COULD THAT BE PART OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION? IS THAT AVAILABLE FOR CONTACT ON A WEEKEND ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS? OR AFTER HOURS, I SHOULD SAY, ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, COULD THAT BE A BENEFIT? I DON'T KNOW. I'M SURE IF I ASKED CHIEF VICK, HE WOULD SAY THAT THE POLICE OFFICER IS DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT ONE, BUT I BET IT'S NOT THAT OFTEN.
CHIEF, DO YOU RECALL ANY RECENT CALLS FOR TREES REMOVALS?
>> CHIEF GILILEO, POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THEM.
WE ALLY GET SOLICITOR CALLS, SAYING THAT PEOPLE SOLICITING TO DO TREE WORK.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GO TO THE AREA WHERE THOSE COMPLAINTS COME FROM, AND THE CREWS ARE GONE.
BY THE TIME THE RESIDENTS SEE A PILE OF THE LIMB, OR SOMETHING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, HEAR CHAINSAWS.
WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THE CALL ON A TIME, UNFORTUNATELY.
>> BUT MR. MAYOR, RATHER THAN DOING THE OVERTIME, PROBABLY, WHAT I WOULD DO IF THIS POSITION MANIFESTED ITSELF, IF HAVING THAT WEAKENED CONTACT WAS IMPORTANT, WE'D JUST CHANGE THE JOB SCHEDULE.
THEY WOULD WORK EITHER WEDNESDAY THROUGH
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SUNDAY OR SOME OTHER SCHEDULE SO THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON THE WEEKENDS, AND IF HE'S NOT GETTING ANY CALLS, THEN HE COULD BE PROCESSING, THEN DOING THE FIELD WORK, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE CONTRACTORS DEALING WITH A CONTRACTORS.>> YES, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED ON THE PROCESS HERE.
HAVE YOU DECIDED THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION THAT I SEE THREE VOTES FOR THE ARBORIST?
>> BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT PULLING MY VOTE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT.
>> NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION. IT MATTERS.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO EDIT THE DOCUMENT, BUT I DID SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU AND BILL.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH NUMBER 4, NUMBER 5.
DO I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT? BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN EDIT IT STILL RIGHT NOW.
>> I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW IS IT.
>> YOUR OPINION ABSOLUTELY MATTERS, BUT IF WE'VE GOT THREE OUT OF FIVE VOTES, IT'S GOING TO PASS.
COMMISSIONER BOLE POINT IS, LET'S NOT DRAG THIS OUT.
I THINK WE CAN MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A STRONG OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT ON HERE, PLEASE VOICE IT.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF I SEE THREE REQUESTING IT, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THAT.
>> COULD WE JUST GO ON FROM THE ARBORIST TO BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS ON THE LIST, OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP MY VOTE FOR THE ARBORIST IN HERE, SO THAT ONE WOULD PASS, ACCORDING TO COMMISSIONER BILL.
>> IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THOUGH TO SEE JESSICA'S PREFERENCES ALONG WITH YOURS, MAYOR.
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, WE GO THROUGH THE THREE WE HAVE A NUMBER.
>> FOR ME, I'M ONLY HITTING THE ONES THAT REALLY MATTER TO ME.
OTHERWISE, IF I SEE THREE, AND DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. I'M GOOD.
>> BUT I'M JUST SAYING ONCE WE GET WITH ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE AT LEAST THREE, WE MAY BE WELL OVER 1.9 AND THEN WHICH ONES WE SHAPE BACK? DO WE SHAPE BACK THE ONES THAT ONLY GOT THREE VOTES VERSUS FOUR VERSUS FIVE?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SKIP STRAIGHT TO THE MAILBOX, THE 60,000 MAILBOX.
THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO LOOK LIKE MAX.
>> BUT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.
DO WE WANT TO STOP NOW AND FILL IN ALL THE BLANKS? IT'S GOING TO DRAG US OUT TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE A WHILE.
I WAS FINE WITH GOING WITH MOST OF THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS IN MIND AND I COULDN'T EDIT THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET TO BREAK.
>> I HEAR YOU. LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON, AND LET'S HIT THE NEXT ONE. WHICH IS IT?
>> SO FAR, THERE'S NO VOTE FROM RING ON THAT.
>> BUILDING ARE WE DISCUSSING WITH THE ALL BUILDINGS.
>> TECHNICIAN FOR THIS IS ANOTHER POSITION.
>> THIS IS A RECURRING POSITION.
THIS IS BUILDING INTO PERPETUITY INTO THE BUDGET.
>> WHICH JUST BOUGHT ANOTHER WHOLE BUILDING, SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED BODIES TO MAINTAIN IT.
>> WOULD THIS FALL UNDER WHOSE DEPARTMENT?
PUBLIC WORKS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL BUILDINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE A COMMUNITY CENTER, A PARK BUILDING, OR THE POLICE BUILDING, LIFEGUARD BUILDING, THE CITY HALL BUILDING, THIS COMMISSION BUILDING.
>> BACK WHEN WE DID THE ENHANCEMENTS LIST, THIS WAS MY NUMBER 2 OPTION.
NUMBER 2 ON ALL THE THINGS I WAS ASKING FOR, WAS THIS BUILDING ENHANCEMENTS.
>> ENHANCEMENTS. WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER 1?
>> THE PLAZA DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION.
>> I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS ALSO SEPARATELY.
I'M GOING TO PUT MY VOTE ON THE NUMBER 9 AS WELL.
>> NEXT IS VETERANS PARK PAVILION.
ALL OF THOSE GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NUMBER 14 ARE GOOD.
>> COULD WE TALK ABOUT THE DECKING REPAIRS?
>> MY BIGGEST QUESTION ABOUT THEM IS ARE WE PROVIDED SOME FUNDING THROUGH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB? DID THEY HELP US WITH ANY OF THIS?
>> THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERIOR.
THEY JUST RENOVATED BAKER ON THE INSIDE.
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>> ALL OUTSIDE, LIKE THE ROOF AND THE DECKING.
>> THE MECHANIC SOLES THAT'S ALL.
>> THIS ISSUE HERE IS WE GOT A SPLASH PAD OVER THERE.
KIDS WITH WET FEET WALKING ON BOARDS THAT ARE STARTING TO SPLINTER.
>> NO. IT'S BECOMING A SAFETY ISSUE.
>> THE BOARDS ARE RIDING OR SPLITTING.
>> THEY'RE JUST SPLITTING. NO. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT ANY OF THEM FALLING THROUGH.
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT SHAVINGS.
>> RICK, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO REPLACE?
>> MY INTENT WAS TO DO THE ENTIRE DECK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
>> AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> BUT 60,000 DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS IT USED TO.
>> THE NEXT ONE IS ADELE GRAGE ROOF REPLACEMENT NUMBER 14.
>> THAT ONE, I TOLD MR. KILLINGSWORTH EARLIER, WHEN I WAS IN MORTGAGE BANKING, THE FIRST THING I'D DO IS GET A REMAINING ECONOMIC LIFE.
WHAT IS THE REMAINING ECONOMIC LIFE ON THAT?
>> WE'VE HAD THREE LEAKS IN THE PAST YEAR.
OUR EVALUATION FROM ONE OF THE GUYS WE GOT A PROPOSAL FROM WAS THAT THE ROOF'S GOT A YEAR OF LIFE LEFT.
>> I FORGOT. IS THAT ASPHALT SHINGLE?
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AGE OF THAT ROOF IS?
>> I DON'T WANT IT TO LEAK, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY WHETHER I DO OR DON'T AGREE.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT?
>> THAT BUILDINGS USED PRETTY HEAVILY.
WE'RE COMING UP ON HURRICANE STORM SEASON, SO I'D RATHER FIX IT NOW.
>> BUT THIS MONEY WON'T BE AVAILABLE UNTIL STORM SEASON IS OVER.
>> WELL, SO LET'S GET OUR BID IN NOW.
THAT SEEMS PRETTY CHEAP FOR A ROOFER POLICEMAN.
IS THAT A NORMAL? THE BID WAS FOR THE WHOLE THING.
>> WE GOT TWO PROPOSALS FOR IT.
THIS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THEM.
>> ARE THOSE ASPHALT SHINGLES?
>> PARDON ME. ARE THOSE ARCHITECTURAL?
>> I'M GOING TO CHANGE MINE TO I DIDN'T HAVE THOSE FACTS, SO I'LL GO IN NOW
JUST FOR THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER RING, YOU WANT TO PUT ANYTHING IN THERE?
>> I'M FINE SO FAR WITH EVERYTHING.
>> BASICALLY SO FAR, YOU COULD PUT COMMISSIONER RING AND EVERY ITEM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NUMBER 14.
THEN THE NEXT ONE, WE ALREADY HAVE THREE THAT OUTSIDE AIR UNIT REPLACEMENT.
THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HEAR A WHOLE LOT ON THAT.
BUT ARE THOSE MACHINES GOING DOWN A LOT, CHIEF?
>> MEANING HAVEN'T EFFECTIVELY WORKED.
>> HOW ARE WE GET IN AIR? YOU LOOK COOL, CALM, AND DRY. YOU'RE NOT.
>> THE REGULAR AC UNITS RECIRCULATE AIR THAT'S IN THE BUILDING, THERE ARE ENGINEERING STANDARDS THAT SAY THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FRESH AIR THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO A BUILDING OF X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET FOR A SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE WITH SPECIFIC TYPE OF OCCUPANCY.
PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF HUMID AIR BECAUSE THAT DUCTING SYSTEM IS STILL OPEN.
WE'RE PULLING AIR IN AS THE INDIVIDUAL AC UNITS NEED IT, AND WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF HUMIDITY IN THE BUILDING.
THE HUMIDIFIERS GO ON CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KEEP THE BUILDING DRY ENOUGH BUILDING UP ANY MOLD ISSUES.
IT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING THAT BUILT THE BUILDING, THE AIR STANDARDS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS ENGINEERED.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WE HAVE IN OUR PROPERTY EVIDENCE ROOM. PARDON ME.
WE'RE NOT EXCHANGING ENOUGH AIR BACK THERE BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF MATERIAL WE STORE BACK THERE, PARTICULARLY PLANT MATERIAL, MARIJUANA, MUSHROOMS, ALL THE THINGS THAT GROW MOLD.
ASPERGILLUS IS A SERIOUS CONCERN BACK THERE.
WE'RE NOT EXCHANGING ENOUGH AIR IN THAT AREA TO KEEP IT AS HEALTHY AS IT COULD BE, AS IT SHOULD BE, WHERE WE ENGINEER THE BUILDING.
THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THAT OUTSIDE FUNCTION THE WAY THE BUILDING WAS DESIGNED.
>> THESE ARE CONDENSER UNITS OR NOT.
>> THEY'RE BASICALLY A LARGER AC UNIT THAT BRINGS IN THAT FRESH AIR,
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PRECONDITIONS IT, DEHUMIDIFIES IT.SENDS IT BACK DOWN THE LINE TO THE REGULAR ACS THAT THEN USE THAT AS PART OF WHAT THEY RECIRCULATE IN THE BUILDING, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THE FRESH AMOUNT OF FRESH IN THE BUILDING WE NEED AND THE POSITIVE AIR FLOW.
>> CHIEF, IS SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING AS BUILT WAS UNDERSIZED IN TERMS OF THE AIR HANDLERS.
I HAVE MET THE CODE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE USE.
>> TO SOME DEGREE, YES. IT WORKS.
IT FUNCTIONS, IT COOLS THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE NOT COOLING IT THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
WE'RE NOT EXCHANGING THE AIR THE WAY THAT WAS ENGINEERED TO BE.
TO BE DONE BY THE ENGINEERS BY AC.
>> WELL, YOU GOT FOUR VOTES THERE.
>> I VOTED FOR IT AS WELL. I WANT YOU GUYS TO STAY COOL.
BUT 120 DOES SEEM PRICEY FOR AC UNITS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GETTING A BIGGER COMMERCIAL UNIT.
>> BUT THESE ARE COMMERCIAL. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE IN BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING BOTH FIRE IN POLICE.
>> THE TOTAL BUILDING IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE FIRE SIDE IS NOT CONNECTED TO OUR AC UNIT SYSTEM THOUGH.
IT'S NOT THAT IT'S A STANDARD AC.
THE PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAD WITH OUR EXISTING UNITS IS THEY TOOK TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS UP FITTED THEM TO TRY AND MAKE THEM WORK.
THEY RAN FOR ABOUT A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF.
WE HAD PROBLEMS, AND THEY JUST COULDN'T KEEP UP BECAUSE IT WASN'T MEANT FOR A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, SIR.
>> WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. MOVE ON TO NUMBER 16.
>> ACTUALLY, YOU GOT FOUR. PUT ME IN THERE, TOO.
I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE FILLED THAT OUT.
THE TREE REMOVAL, I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL, SO YOU CAN PUT ME IN THERE.
>> MR. BRANT, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION?
>> WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS. THE TREE REMOVAL, WHERE EXACTLY IS THE TREE? IS IT SET THE ROAD OR IS IT IN THE RESERVE ITSELF? WE'RE GOING TO GO.
WHAT WE'RE HAVING IS PINE TREES DIE.
WHETHER IT'S DUE TO SALTWATER INTRUSION, AND THAT'S WEAKENING THE PINE TREES OR WHETHER WHEN WE HAD IRMA THAT GOT SPRAYED BY SALTWATER, AND THAT WEAKENED THEM.
WHATEVER WEAKENED THEM WEAKENED THEM TO THE POINT WHERE THE BEETLES GOT INTO THEM.
>> THEY'RE STILL STANDING TO COME DOWN.
>> SOME OF THEM ARE STILL STANDING.
SOME OF THEM HAVE PART OF THEM MAY HAVE BLOWN DOWN, BUT THEY NEED TO COME DOWN.
>> RUSSELL PARK, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT AS WELL, SO PUT ME IN AND THEN COMMISSIONER RING?
THE ONLY QUALM I HAVE IS NUMBER 20.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR $10,000 ON WALKWAY REPAIRS BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T DO MUCH.
>> THIS IS JUST THIS IS A STANDARD YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR MAINTENANCE ITEM.
THIS IS JUST GOING AND REPLACE A BOARD WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR A HAND RAIL.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL 22 BEACH ACCESSES.
>> STICK AROUND. DON'T GO TOO FAR.
BUT ANYWAYS, YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN ON BEACH ACCESS REPAIRS AND SO ON AND MEASURING AS WELL.
THE BULL PARK CABANA I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED REMOVING THE CABANA AND PUTTING IN ANOTHER PARKING SPACE OR TWO, IS THAT.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS WAS A LINE ITEM IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET.
I'M GETTING SOME CAT ASSISTANTS NOW TO FLESH OUT HOW THE PARKING AREA WOULD BE REARRANGED.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET THREE, POSSIBLY FOR ADDITIONAL SPOTS THERE.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE REMOVAL, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CONCRETE AROUND THE EDGES, AND THEN RESURFACING.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD MY APPROVAL OR MY VOTE ON THAT.
THE 60. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER TAKES.
>> WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR OUR 16 OR NOT BUILDING A NEW CABANA?.
YOU ARE REVAMPING THE PARKING AREA,
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WHERE THE CABANA IS STILL IS.>> THE COMMISSION MAY REMEMBER LAST YEAR, THE CABANA WAS DAMAGED, AND WE TEMPORARILY SECURED IT TO THE FOUNDATION.
BUT THE PARK MASTER PLAN HAS THE CABANA GOING AWAY AND THAT SPACE BEING USED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
RATHER THAN REBUILDING THE CABANA, THE IDEA IS USE THE INCIDENT TO MAKE THIS THE TIME TO TEAR IT DOWN AND REPLACE PARKING.
>> THEN REPLACING IT WITH PARKING.
>> CAN WE ADD IN UNDER THE TITLE ON THIS TO REPLACE AT MAILBOX AREA WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING ON LINE 20S.
>> WELL, REMOVAL OF CABANA FOR REPLACE PARK PARKING WITH PARKING.
>> I'LL SUPPORT THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD A CABANA.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
>> WELL, WAIT A SECOND. WE OVER BECAUSE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN, PLEASE? WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE 300,000 FOR THE SIX BAY BARN.
IS THAT IN THE 1.9 OR IS THAT IT?
IF WE SCROLL BACK UP TO THE TOP.
THAT'S IN THAT HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE COMMISSION HAS AGREED TO IS 1,929,450.
IF YOU WANT TO SET A H 1.9, WE'RE 29,000 OVER THAT.
>> BUT MAY WE SCROLL DOWN AGAIN SO I CAN SEE THE BUTTON.
THIS TAKES US DOWN TO WHICH LINE? TWENTY ONE
>> WE'RE ON 21. WE HAVEN'T DONE 21 YET.
>> BUT WE SAID IT INCLUDED THE SIX BAY BUILDING, WHICH IS LINE 26?
>> YES. BUT YOU WERE GOING DOWN SEQUENTIALLY.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS YOU JUMPED TO THE SIX BAY BUILDING, AND THEN YOU WENT BACK UP TO THE TOP AND WORKED YOUR WAY DOWN.
WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS ON NUMBER 21.
>> IF I COULD ADDRESS NUMBER 21, 21 IS I THINK OVERPRICED.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO THAT OUT OF MY BEACH ACCESS AND WALKWAY REPAIR FUND BECAUSE THE SOLUTION THAT I'M PROPOSING IS MUCH SIMPLER THAN WHAT I THINK WAS VISION.
>> THANKS. CAN YOU FIND SOMETHING WITH A BIGGER NUMBER.
>> WE CAN I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT IN.
>> THANK YOU. DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT IN THERE AND JUST NOT TAG IT OR I THINK IF YOU DON'T TAG IT, THEN IT WON'T BE INCLUDED.
WE DO NOT HAVE IN THE 1.9, WHATEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE 22, 3, 4, 05, AND 6. YOU DO HAVE THOSE.
>> THOSE ARE ALREADY THREE OATS.
IF IT'S IN YELLOW, IF THE PRICE TAG IS IN THE YELLOW COLUMN.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SPREADSHEET IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE YOU SENT TO US, BUT THE ONE YOU SENT TO US DOES INCLUDE THE TIFWS PARK ADA ACCESS.
>> THAT WAS THE ONE I SENT TO YOU INCLUDE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE FACT THAT RICK NOW THINKS HE CAN DO IT CHEAPER.
THOSE WERE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMISSION ISN'T POORLY BOUGHT OFF ON ALL OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT ONE WOULD COME OUT.
>> QUESTION. HAVING SAT WITH THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY, YOU SAW THEIR NUMBER, I THINK IT WAS 17165.
WHAT WOULD WE DO, IF, IN FACT, WE DO $100,000, IS THE IDEA JUST TO DO UNTIL THE MONEY RUNS OUT AND NOT DO THE REST OF POST.
>> I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH COLIN MOORE OVER IN NEPTUNE BEACH THIS MORNING ON THIS SUBJECT.
MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING WITH HIM IS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY APPROPRIATED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROJECT.
THEY DO HAVE $100,000 THAT THEY COULD ALLOCATE TO THIS PROJECT.
I TOLD HIM WHILE I'M ASKING 100 THAT I WAS I'M ASKING FOR 100,000, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE LEAD HERE.
WELL, I BELIEVE WHAT HE WOULD DO IS HE WOULD ARGUE TO MOVE THAT 100,000.
>> THE PLAN THAT COLIN AND I CAME UP WITH WAS THAT WE WOULD GET OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS TOGETHER.
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WE WOULD FIND APPROPRIATE ANTIQUE STYLE LIGHT POSTS, GET A QUOTE FOR THAT.THEN IF THE TOWN CENTER WANTED SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THEN THEY COULD PAY THE DIFFERENCE.
>> IF I COULD THROW IN SOME HERE TOO, AFTER THE LAST MEETING WHERE TOWN CENTER AGENCY REP SPOKE ABOUT THIS.
I REACHED OUT TO ALEX LIMBAUGH ABOUT THE 148 FOR ATLANTIC BEACH, 170, WHATEVER FOR NEPTUNE BEACH.
HE SAID, HE PROVIDED THAT NUMBER SOME TIME AGO AND HE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH.
>> BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS WHEN SOMEBODY GETS UP HERE AND TALKS TO US ABOUT WHAT NEPTUNE BEACH IS GOING TO DO, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT WITH THE GREATEST.
WHATEVER MONEY WE ALLOCATE TO THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE IT CONTINGENT UPON NEPTUNE BEACH DOING THEIR SHARE TOO, CAUSE I THINK SO.
>> YEAH, CAUSE THEY THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET.
>> FOR ME TO SPEND THE MONEY, IT'S $100,000, SO I'D HAVE TO BRING A RESOLUTION TO THE COMMISSION.
MY EXPECTATION IS THAT IT WILL PROBABLY COST MORE THAN 100,000.
WE CAN DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT AS WELL.
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT MAILBOX TURNING INTO PARKING THAT CAN BE INTO PARKING.
DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE 60,000 MORE? NUMBER 20, IS THAT PUT IT BACK IN.
WE PUT IT BACK IN. IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT BILL SENT US.
THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED WHY IT'S STILL NOT ADDING UP TO 1.944.
LINE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 25 WERE ALL PART OF WHAT BILL SAID.
>> LINE ITEM 21 IS YOUR MOOT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
>> AT 15 TO 1929, YOU GOT 194.
>> COULDN'T EVEN I HAD TO GO COPY BASE PROTECTION. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IS THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE MISSING? [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT WAS THE TOP 23, THE FIRST 23.
>> THE TENNIS AND BASEBALL RESURFACING IS NOT CORRECT.
IT SHOULD SAY TENNIS AND BASKETBALL RESURFACING.
>> IT'S TENNIS AND BASKETBALL.
>> NO. JUST HERE IN JACK RUSSELL.
>> MY SUSPICION IS THAT THAT FUNDING WILL REALLY ONLY END UP COVERING THE TENNIS.
>> YEAH, CAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT ADDING IN THE SPEED TRAILER? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS SO MUCH IS SPEEDING.
IF WE'RE GOING TO WHY DON'T WE FIRST DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY AT 19 OR WHATEVER, AND THEN GO TO WHAT'S LEFT.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE ALL VOTED ON.
WE WITHIN 19 AND WE WANT TO STAY WITHIN 19.
WHY WOULD I LOOK AT 30 31 WOULD? YOU GO. I'D LOVE TO SEE A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS ON THERE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITHIN THE PRICE.
>> I'M GOING TO FOR DISCUSSION.
>> HONESTLY, I'M DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS, THE OTHER SIDEWALKS, AND THAT'S WAY DOWN THE LIST.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT NO SIDEWALKS, INCLUDING THE ONE ON MAIN STREET WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO BE REFURBISHED?
>> I BELIEVE THAT WAS THAT WAS AN ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS, NOT OUR NORMAL ANNUAL.
>> I WAS GOING TO LOOK UP THE NUMBER.
I HAVE A NUMBER IN THE BUDGET THAT'S JUST FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS AS NEEDED, BUT I THINK THAT'S ONLY ABOUT 25,000.
>> THAT'S LIKE LITTLE FIXES ON?
>> THAT'S EXACTLY. THAT'S REPLACE A PANEL HERE.
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIX OUR MAIN STREET.
>> I THINK THE CHALLENGE WITH THE MAIN STREET ONE IS THE COST.
WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO PIPE THE DITCH, IS THAT.
>> IT TURNED IN FROM WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING
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REASONABLY PRICED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS OVER $ 1 MILLION.>> BECAUSE TO WIDE THE SIDEWALK, THERE'S A COVERT THE ENTIRE DITCH. WE ALL HAVE TO BE PIPE.
>> I KNOW THE ONE THAT JUST WAS REDONE ON LEVY WAS EXPENSIVE.
>> RICK WHITE PENS. HOW BAD DO YOU WANT PLAZA DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION? THE PLAZA DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION.
>> I'VE BEEN BUGGING PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THAT FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE ON A DAILY BASIS.
>> PLAZA DRIVE. BASE IS FAILING.
IF YOU DRIVE PLAZA, I SHOWED PICTURES, SO YOU CAN'T BUDGET JUST KEEPS CAVING.
IT WOULD DO NO GOOD TO JUST MILL AND RESURFACE THE ROAD.
IT WOULD BE REQUIRED AGAIN WITHIN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF YEARS.
OUT OF THIS YEAR'S MONEY, MY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT, I'M GETTING A PROPOSAL NOW TO GO IN AND GET CORE SAMPLES.
WHEN I'VE GOT CORE SAMPLES, THEN I CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER NUMBER.
THIS NUMBER IS SOMETHING I MADE A YOU MAY NOT I DID MAKE IT DID NOT MAKE IT UP.
>> IT'S SEARCH. IT'S A GUESS ESTIMATE.
>> ON WHAT I THINK THE ROAD REQUIRES.
WHAT I THINK AND THAT IS FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION MEANS GOING UP, TEAR UP THE ENTIRE ROADWAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BASE AND RECONSTRUCTED.
THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT'S IN MY REQUEST.
IF THOSE CORE SAMPLES COME OUT WITH SOMETHING LESS, THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PROFESSIONAL PAVEMENT GUYS, WHICH I AM NOT, AND WE'LL COME UP WITH A BETTER NUMBER, POSSIBLY LESS. IT MIGHT BE.
>> I WAS ABOUT TO ASK AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY YOU NEED AN UNDER DRAIN.
>> YES. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT YOU COULD FIX A WHOLE ROAD LIKE FOR A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION.
>> CHIEF JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR, MY EAR OVER 56,000 CARS A DAY.
>> I'M USED TO NEW ENGLAND POTHOLES, SO NOTHING ON PLAZA RIGHT NOW IMPRESSES ME.
>> RICK, IF YOU CAN HANG AROUND BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS NEW.
I JUST WANT TO READ SOMETHING TO YOU BECAUSE IT MAY INFLUENCE ONE OF THESE NUMBERS.
I SPOKE TO RUTHERFORD'S OFFICE THIS MORNING AND HERE'S MY RESPONSE THAT I GOT LATE TODAY.
THIS WAS REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOR REBUILD OF DOON WALKOVERS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE WONDERFUL SUCCESS OF RENOURISHMENT.
HI, MAYOR FOLLOWING UP ON OUR CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, I CONTACTED KATIE AND DC, AND JOHN WAS ABLE TO GET 1.08 MILLION FOR DUNE WALKOVER PROJECTS IN THE COMMERCE JUSTICE AND SCIENCE APPROPRIATIONS BILL FOR ATLANTIC BEACH THIS YEAR.
WE EXPECT IT TO BE MARKED UP IN COMMITTEE THIS WEEK, SO IT'S NOT DONE YET, BUT IN A GOOD PLACE SO FAR.
THE REASON WHY I MENTIONED THIS IS THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND KNOW THAT IT'S NOT DONE UNTIL IT'S DONE.
BUT WE HAVE IN HERE THE GO BACK UP, PLEASE. HOW MUCH DID WE HAVE FOR?
>> WE HAVE 140 FOR NEW WALKOVERS.
MY QUESTION TO RICK IS IF WE DON'T GET THIS MONEY, HOW BAD ARE THOSE WALKOVERS IF WE DIDN'T BUDGET THEM FOR REPAIR.
MEANING YOU GOT HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN TOTAL IN THE CITY?
>> TWENTY TWO. HOW MANY BEACH WALKOVER TWO.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE WALKOVER. I WAS DISCUSSING THIS WITH BILL EARLIER.
TYPICALLY, YOU'RE NOT REPLACING THE BONES, I.E THE PILINGS OR THE STRINGERS, YOU'RE REPLACING DECK BOARDS IN RAILS.
>> SOME OF OURS ARE OF AN AGE WHERE PILINGS.
>> ON BALANCE IN YOUR MIND, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING 140,000 BUYS US? HOW MANY ONE?
>> THAT'S ONE WASSER. WELL, YOU ANSWERED THAT PRETTY QUICK, SO I THINK YOU KNOW THAT.
>> NO, CLEARLY IF WE GET THE MONEY FROM RUTHERFORD, THAT MAY GO TO 15TH.
BECAUSE I GUESS YOU 166 SET MESSING THAT UP.
>> WE 16TH STREET IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE AN EASING.
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>> YES. HE COULD BECOME A SAFETY EACH. MR. SWAN.
YEAH, THAT 140 IS ONE WALK OVER.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE'RE APPLYING FOR A COASTAL PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE GRANT WITH THE STATE, WHICH PAID FOR 60,000 OF THE NEW WALK OVER AT AHERN?
>> I'M APPLYING FOR THAT THIS YEAR FOR MAYBE FOURTH STREET, MAYBE FIFTH STREET, AS WE'VE FIGURED IT OUT YET.
BUT I FIGURED WE'D COME IN FOR A BUDGET MOD IF WE GOT THAT GRANT AND WE WON'T GET THAT GRANT UNTIL JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET ME COMMENT ON THIS.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO KEEP OUR POWDER DRY.
IF WE DON'T DIP INTO THE 50% RESERVES, THEN IT'S MORE LEGITIMATE LATER WHEN WE DO GET THE GRANT THAT REQUIRES MATCHING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT DECISION THEN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALREADY RATED THE TREASURY.
BUT ANYWAY, SO I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THE PIECE ON WHAT RUTHFORD IS DOING BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PLUS UP.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO TELL ME THAT WE NEED THIS 120, IS IT 140 WHERE IS IT? ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY.
IF WE NEED THAT IN THERE REGARDLESS, BECAUSE IF WE TOOK IT OUT NOW, WE JUST SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> THAT'S A NICE TO HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT A NECESSITY TO HAVE.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, FOR NOW, KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT AGAINST DOING DUNE WALKOVERS, BUT DO WE REMOVE THAT FOR NOW AND THEN DECIDE LATER WHETHER TO ADD BACK BASED ON WHETHER WE DO OR DON'T GET ADDITIONAL MONEY?
>> LET'S LOOK FORWARD IN THE 1.9.
DO WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITHIN THAT OR NOT? BECAUSE THAT DETERMINES WHAT YOU VOTE FOR.
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S OUR NUMBER IF WE TAKE THAT OUT, AND THEN LET'S ANSWER, MR. BOLE.
>> IF. CAN TAKE IT OUT, IF YOU TAKE.
>> BRITTANY, CAN WE SCROLL DOWN TO WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT? GUYS, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, WE STARTED AT THE TOP BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY MANAGER.
THE QUESTION NOW IS, DO WE MOVE ON PAST THE ONE MILLION AND NINE.
I CAN'T EVEN SEE WHERE THEY ARE.
FOR THE SHADE STRUCTURE AND THE SPLASH PAD.
BECAUSE WHEN WE BUILT IT, WE PROMISED TO ADD MORE SHADE STRUCTURES.
THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE ON THE STYLE.
THREE OF US WHO WOULD ACTUALLY USE THOSE SHADE STRUCTURES.
I'M TELLING YOU, ALONG WITH BATHROOMS, WE WANT THE SHADE.
>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 1.9?
>> WELL, WE'RE BOUNCING AROUND.
>> YEAH. THERE THOUSAND DOLLAR.
THAT MIGHT BE AN EASY ONE TO DO.
>> LET'S DO THIS. I'M GOING TO TAKE CHARGE AT THIS POINT.
LET'S VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND PAST THE 1.9 MILLION.
THEN WE CAN GO SPIN THE ADDITIONAL 110 THAT WE JUST DISCOVERED IF WE CHOOSE.
IT DEPENDS ON IF WE CAN EVEN GET THREE VOTES ON CERTAIN THINGS, THEN IF IT BUMPS IT UP BY 20.
>> WELL, NO, BUT I THINK WE ALL COULD AGREE NOW OR DISAGREE.
I'M GOING TO ASK, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO HOLD THE LINE AT ONE MILLION AND NINE? I'M GOING TO JUST OKAY, WE'VE GOT MOLD?
>> THAT'S FINE. I'LL GO WITH THAT.
>> WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO STAY WITHIN THE 1,000,009.
NOW WE HAVE LET'S GO BACK UP. YES?
>> IF I DON'T MIND. THE REASON I SAID VOTED NEY IS BECAUSE I'M COMFORTABLE STAYING CLOSE TO 19.
BUT IF WE GO DOWN WHAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET, AND BETWEEN THE FIVE OF US, WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFY AS BEING FAIRLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE GO TO TWO OR TWO, ONE THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE-
>> THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
>> IF WE NEED TO DO IT, THAT'S ALL.
>> BUT IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THAT LATER, I THINK WHAT WE JUST GOT WAS CONSENSUS TO STAY WITHIN THE 1,000,009.
NOW, IS IT 1,000,009 OR IS IT 1,000,0092 WHATEVER?
>> 19 IS THE NUMBING? WE HAVE CONSENSUS, AND I HEAR YOU.
WE CAN CHANGE THAT IF WE DECIDE AS-
>> RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE START OUT $110,550.
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>> BEFORE YOU GO ON TO TRY TO SPIN THAT DOWN, I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION SOMETHING ELSE, IF I MAY.
I ATTENDED THE R COMMITTEE THIS WEEK AND THEY SPENT 8 HOURS, I THINK, STRAIGHT TALKING ABOUT THEIR GRANTS.
I WATCHED MUCH OF THE REPLAY ON IT, BUT I DIDN'T WATCH ALL 8 HOURS.
I BELIEVE THE MOVE IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT AND THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE ARE BUDGETING $75,000.
WHICH YEAR OVER YEAR IS THE SAME NUMBER, BILL AS LAST YEAR?
>> 75,000. BUT THEY HAVE, I THINK, OVER 140,000 IN REQUESTS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUESTERS IS EDUCATION.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THEIR REQUEST TO US TAKING EDUCATION OUT.
>> DO YOU TELL ME THE NUMBER AGAIN, THEY'RE GOING TO REQUEST 100 AND SOMETHING?
>> NO. THEY HAVE REQUESTS FROM GRANTEES FOR 140,000 PLUS OR MINUS, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR UNLESS WE AGREE TO BUDGET IT.
>> I PUT IN $75,000 FOR THE BUD.
>> I, JUST ME, I'D LIKE TO STAY WITHIN THE 75,000.
BUT BUT IF THEY TAKE EDUCATION OUT, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE.
PERSONALLY, AND I LIKE MOST OF OUR EDUCATION GRANTS.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PLACE FOR ANY CITY TO BE DOING EDUCATION WHEN WE ALREADY TAX OURSELVES IN MULTIPLE AREAS TO PAY FOR OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO SOME OF US.
ONE IS ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY IS THE ONLY DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL WITHIN THE CITY.
COMMISSIONER KELLY, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF OUR STUDENTS GO TO NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY.
BUT THE PHYSICAL PLANT, THE PHYSICAL BUILDING, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY IS IN OUR CITY.
WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, I THINK I LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE GOING IF THEY SUBMIT 75,000 AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE EDUCATION, BUT WOULD THIS COMMISSION CONSIDER A SEPARATE GRANT, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, UNDER PREVIOUS MAYORS AND COMMISSIONERS, A SEPARATE GRANT APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION FOR EITHER ABE OR FLETCHER BAND AND THE REASON WHY I BRING UP THE FLETCHER BAND IS BECAUSE MY PROPOSAL THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED TO THE COMMITTEE AND THAT IS IF WE DO A GRANT, IT WOULD ONLY BE A MATCHING GRANT.
MEANING, IF THEY WANT 10,000 AND WE WERE GRANTING UP TO 5,000, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BEING MATCHED, AND THE MATCHERS THAT I'M ENVISIONING ARE JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND NEPTUNE BEACH, WHICH BOTH OF WHICH I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON, HAVE NO GRANT PROGRAM AT ALL.
WE'RE ALREADY WAY AHEAD OF OUR SISTER CITIES BY ALLOWING $75,000 OF OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY TO GO TO GRANTS FOR THESE PURPOSES.
JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT TO SPEND DOWN THE LAST 110,000.
>> YOU'RE THINKING WE NEED TO POSSIBLY SET SOME ASIDE BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT MAYPORT MIDDLE?
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE EDUCATION GRANT BUSINESS.
I WANT THEM TO UTILIZE DUVAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I WANT THEM TO UTILIZE PTAS, OR IN THE CASE OF ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.
I THINK I WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM TRYING TO SOLVE ALL OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITH OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER WIN ON THAT.
IT WILL BE A NEVER ENDING REQUEST FOR MORE, MORE AND MORE BECAUSE ALL OF IT IS VALID.
THE STEM PROGRAM FOR FOR ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY IS VALID.
WE WANT THE BEST FOR OUR CHILDREN.
>> NOW, THAT I PROBABLY ASKED THIS EVERY BUDGET SEASON, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ATLANTIC BEACH, DON'T WE HAVE SOME PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM BECAUSE WE UTILIZE THEIR TRACK OVER THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT DO WE DO MORE THAN THAT? WE PUT INTO THEIR BUDGET MONEY FOR ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL IT AGAIN?
>> THANK YOU. FRIENDS OF ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY.
THEY PONY UP THE BALANCE, I BELIEVE, FOR THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. WHO KNOWS?
>> YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD DO AWAY WITH THAT PARTNERSHIP?
>> THAT'S SEPARATE. THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET?
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>> I DON'T THINK WE FUNDED ANYTHING THIS LAST YEAR FOR AVE. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING, KEVIN?
BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, HOW IS THAT APPROPRIATED? IT'S IN THE BUDGET, IT WAS IN THIS PAST YEAR'S BUDGET OR ELSE YOU WOULD ASKED US TO APPROVE A CHANGE?
>> YES, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, THERE WAS $81,000, ACTUALLY, 6,000 OF WHICH IS FOR THAT PURPOSE SO FOR THE GRANT.
>> SO IT WAS IN THE BUDGET THROUGH OUR GRANT PROGRAM?
>> NO. ISN'T IT PUBLIC WORKS MONEY? NO.
>> WHEREVER THE GRANT PROGRAM IS IT'S IN THAT SAME LINE ITEM.
>> IT'S IN CULTURAL ARTS AND RECREATIONS.
>> THANKS FOR ASKING THE QUESTION, AND LET'S GET GETTING CLARIFY COMMISSION.
IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE CULTURAL ARTS GRANT PROGRAM AND AGREE TO APPROVE IT AS A COMMISSION OR NOT.
>> KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN DUVAL COUNTY HAVE A LAWN CARE SERVICE. THEY DO.
>> THEY HAVE A LAWN CARE SERVICE.
AS FAR AS CUTTING THE GRASS, THAT MONEY'S GOING NOT TO CUTTING THE GRASS, GOT TO BE GOING TO SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT OF OUR BABY SCHOOL, THAT LANDSCAPING IS ENHANCED.
THAT IS NOT STANDARD ISSUE DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOL.
>> YEAH.. THE $6,000 ISN'T PROGRAMATIC, SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR JOINT USE AGREEMENT.
>> I SUPPORT THAT, BUT I DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW ON THE GRANTS, THE $75,000 BUDGET.
>> IN THAT CASE, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP, TOO.
>> BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL SEPARATELY ON IT IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE HARK BUDGET.
>> IT'S JUST IN THAT LINE ITEM.
WE CAN LEAVE IT THERE. THAT'S NOT.
>> YOU LEAVE IT THERE AND IT REALLY MAKES THE FINAL NUMBER 81,000? IF IT'S 6,000 TO BE ENHANCED?
>> WHAT WE GIVE HARK AS A BUDGET IS 75,000.
WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE ACTUALLY BUDGETED $81,000 THERE.
>> ALL RIGHT. BACK TO WHAT I BROUGHT UP.
>> THAT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN IN THE PAST WHERE HARK HAS GIVEN GRANT MONEY TO ABE FOR SOMETHING PROGRAMATIC.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO DO STEM, LET'S DO IT HERE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, NOT AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
>> THAT ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY CAN ACCESS.
>> THAT ANY KID WHOSE PARENTS ARE PAYING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE CAN STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
>> THAT'S A COMMUNITY THING, NOT A PUBLIC SCHOOL THING.
>> LIKEWISE ON THE FLETCHER BAND.
>> I'D LIKE TO SAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT FLETCHER BAND, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE TWO FEEDER BANDS BECAUSE ALL THE MUSICIANS COME FROM FLETCHER MIDDLE AND MAYPORT MIDDLE TO FLETCHER.
IF YOU'RE BUILDING A MUSIC PROGRAM.
>> BUT THAT'S NOT HELPING HERE.
>> BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO NOT BUILD THE BASE OF THE MUSIC.
LET'S NOT SAY IT DOES NO GOOD.
>> FOR BAND UNIFORMS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO SUPPORTING THAT BAND.
YOU'VE BEEN VOTING THIS THROUGH EVERY YEAR FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS FIVE.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU PERSONALLY.
>> HAVE BEEN A BAND PARENT, I PAID FOR ALL THAT. \.
>> LET ME JUST AGAIN, SAY THIS ON THE FLETCHER BAND.
NOT SURE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE FUNDING ANY GRANT PROGRAM INTO PERPETUITY. THAT BOTHERS ME.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR PAYROLL FOR FIVE YEARS, AND MY PROPOSAL TO WHITTLE THIS DOWN WAS TO DO IT ON A MATCH TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET PARTICIPATION FROM THE OTHER BEACHES CITIES THAT HAVE THEIR CHILDREN GOING THERE AS WELL AND MAYBE IT'S ONE YEAR TO HELP THEM GET OVER THE HUMP TO THE NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT'S WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND US APPROVING A $5,000 MATCHING GRANT FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN DEBATE IT ALL OVER AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
BUT AGAIN, THAT GRANT WOULD ONLY BE SPENT IF THEY GET A MATCH FOR THAT LAW.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY GOT
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A MATCH FROM AT LEAST ONE OTHER MUNICIPALITY HERE AT THE BEACH, AND THEN WHEN THEY DID, WE WOULD PROVIDE THE CHECK.>> THAT'S NOT A LINE ITEM UP HERE TO IT. NO, IT'S NOT.
>> NO, BUT WE CAN PUT ANYTHING INTO THE BUDGET AND NOT SPEND IT IF WE SO CHOOSE.
>> LET'S GIVE SARAH HER 5,000 THEN.
>> AT LEAST SOME OF US HAD IDEAS ABOUT.
>> IF YOU SCROLL DOWN YOU READ IT.
I HEARD THIS SPLASH PAD, WHERE IS THE ITEM?
>> THE NEW PICNIC CABANS 10,000.
FOR 45, YOU HAVE BASEBALL LIGHTS, BUT YOU HAVE IT AS THE SECOND ONE ON DONNER.
IS THIS JUST AN UPGRADE AT JACK RUSSELL? 45 AND THEN TWO.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT ONE IS JACK RUSSELL, CORRECT.
BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THAT THAT WAS AN ASK.
THEY WAS ON THE ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
[BACKGROUND] SOME OF THOSE LIGHTS DON'T WORK.
>> PRETTY FIVE IS JACK RUSSELL.
>> WE HAVE BOTH PARTS LISTED ON THAT.
>> SO 45 SHOULD BE JACK? OKAY.
>> NUMBER 45 SHOULD BE JACK RUSSELL.
>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE LIGHTS HERE AT JACK RUSSELL? ANYBODY COMMENT ON THAT?
>> WE HAVE GONE A LONG WAYS TO UPGRADE THE LIGHTING, SOME OF IT, BUT IT DOES NEED REPLACING PERIODICALLY, BUT I WOULD PUT DONNER PARK LIGHTING OVER THE JACK RUSSELL PARK LIGHTING.
IMPORT THE TILE RESTROOM OF THE DON ISLAND AND DONNER PARK THERE BEING HEAVILY UTILIZED AND IT'S ONLY $10,000 TO UPGRADE IT.
I THINK WE GOT NUMBER 39, YES.
>> YEAH, ESPECIALLY FOR UPGRADING THAT PARK IS GOING TO BE MORE.
>> I'LL ADD MY NAME TO THE SPLASH PAD AS WELL.
>> THE MOTHERS OF ATLANTIC BEACH. THANK YOU.
>> I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FAIRWAY VILLA XERISCAPING AND THE SIGN ENTRANCE FEATURE.
I THINK, SORRY, AMANDA, GETTING YOUR STEPS IN TODAY.
>> THAT'S OFTEN A FORGOTTEN PARK THAT'S UP OFF OF MAYPORT ROAD.
WE HAVE HAD A TRANSIENT PROBLEM THERE.
>> IT IS AN EFFORT TO BEAUTIFY THAT AREA BECAUSE IT IS FORGOTTEN AND HOPEFULLY MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S LESS APPEALING FOR TRANSIENTS.
WE ALSO FEEL LIKE ONCE THE LANDSCAPING GETS ESTABLISHED, WE WOULD SAVE IN STAFF TIME BECAUSE XERISCAPING BASICALLY ONCE YOU GET ESTABLISHED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT THAT GRASS AS MUCH AS WE DO AND WE HAVE TO TRAILER UP THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN TRAIN BACK.
>> I WROTE BEFORE THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GRANT'S ZONE BECAUSE IT'S THAT WEIRD DOG LEG THAT HAPPENS RIGHT.
PART OF IT IS JACKSONVILLE WE ABUT TO JACKSONVILLE SIDE, AND THERE IS A TRANSIENT PROBLEM THERE AND THERE'S JUST THEY'RE HIDING, THERE'S A FENCE ALONG MAYPORT ROAD ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT COMMUNITY, THE FAIRWAY VILLAS, AND IT'S JUST A OPPORTUNITY IS HIDDEN FROM THE ROAD, BUT IT'S CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
WE DO HAVE A CONSTANT ONGOING PROBLEM.
NOT THAT XERISCAPING IS GOING TO FIX IT, BUT GETTING IN THERE AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE LITTLE PASCAL WHEN YOU TURN INTO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND IT'S JUST GRASS.
>> I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COMPLAINED QUITE A FEW TIMES AND I'VE SENT IT TO CHIEF VICK ABOUT THE TRANSIENT POPULATION THAT DO FREQUENT THAT AREA.
THEY WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THIS.
>> IT DEFINITELY WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TO BEAUTIFY IT AND HOPEFULLY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM HANGING OUT.
>> JUST TO GET A VISUAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I SHOULD GO LOOK.
IS THAT PARK BIGGER OR SMALLER THAN ASHBY.
IT'S MORE OF A RECTANGULAR SHAPE.
ASHBY IS MORE OF A TRIANGULAR SHAPE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE DEVELOPER DEEDED OVER ONE PAHARKEL FOR THE COMMUNITY USE FOR A PARK.
>> RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT.
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>> HE DEED IT OVER TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, AND WE TOOK IT INTO OUR PARK SYSTEM?
YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOU FOR THAT REASON.
>> SANTA HAS BROUGHT IN PICTURES OF THAT AREA BEFORE AND YOU HAVE SHOWED.
>> IT'S IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S NOT A LOT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, LIKE ACTIVATING IT AND MAKING PROVIDING SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME JUST DIDN'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT.
>> THERE A LOT OF VENTURES IN.
>> DO WE HAVE? SOME CITIES HAVE PASSIVE PARKS AND ACTIVE PARKS, YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT TERM.
I WOULD SAY WE ARE A PASSIVE PARK.
WE CUT THE GRASS, WE MAINTAIN THE PARK AND WE MAKE IT PART OF THE GREENERY UP THERE.
I SEE THAT IS A PASSIVE PARK. WOULD YOU CALL THAT? JUST LIKE MY FRIEND AT ASHBY PARK, THAT'S A PASSIVE PARK, CORRECT?
>> I'M JUST MAKING A POINT IS THAT WE HAVE PASSIVE PARKS, AND THEN WE HAVE STUFF. THAT'S AN ACTIVE.
>> I GUESS, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, WE'D HAVE TO COME TO THE DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING A PASSIVE PARK FOR MAKING AN ACTIVE PARK.
IF WE PUT PLAYGROUND MATERIAL OR WHATEVER ELSE.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT PARKS IN GENERAL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT'S A PASSIVE PARK.
>> IT DOES HAVE A PICNIC TABLE I THINK KIDS SIT ON TOP OF IT TO WAIT FOR THE BUS.
>> I'LL SUPPORT IT IF I CAN GET $5,000 FOR THE FLETCHER BAN.
>> ARE WE GOING TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> FLETCHER BANS NOT ON THIS LIST, RIGHT?
>> NO. WE'RE THE BODY THAT IS RUNNING THIS MEETING, WE CAN ADD OR DELETE ANY.
>> WELL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM OFF THE NARCOTIC $10,000 A YEAR, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DON'T TAKE THEM OFF ENTIRELY.
WE CUT IT TO 5,000 AND ONLY IF THEY GET A MATCH FROM ONE OF THE OTHER TWO BEACH CITIES.
THEREFORE, WE ACTUALLY CREATE PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, NOT JUST FUND IT AGAIN INTO PERPETUITY AT 10,000.
JUST SAYING. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> HOW WOULD HAVE THE ESCS ASKED FOR 5,000 MADE IT TO THE BUDGET? HOW WOULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON HERE?
>> WHICH FOR THE 5,000 FOR THE FLETCHER BAN?
>> I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION THE COMMISSION HAS TO ASK OF SARAH ALLUDED TO IT IS THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSION TAKING OVER THE AWARDS CEREMONY AND MAKING THAT PART OF THE COMMITTEE APPRECIATION DAY.
IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO THAT, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENTIAL FUNDING.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ABSORB INTERNALLY.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE COMMITTEE THING FUNDED.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT SEPARATE AND HAVE ESC DO IT, THEN I THINK THAT'S WHAT SARAH IS SAYING IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR $5,000.
>> JUST TO RECAP, CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE SAYING THAT AS IT STANDS, THEY'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE THE AWARDS IN THE FILM, BUT IF THEY WANT TO RUN IT THEMSELVES, THEY NEED 5,000 [OVERLAPPING].
>> I FEEL IF SOMETHING SEPARATE THOUGH, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND $2,000 SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT.
THE QUESTION IS, SO SHE'S GOT THREE FOR THE AWARDS CEREMONY.
THERE WAS SOME TALK BY THIS COMMISSION IN TERMS OF ROLLING THE ESC AWARD CEREMONY INTO THE COMMITTEE APPRECIATION DINNER THAT WE DO AND MAKING THAT PART OF THAT NIGHT.
I THINK THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> WE HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION NOW BEFORE WE FUND THIS.
>> WELL, WE WEREN'T ON THAT TOPIC, BUT SINCE WE WERE ON OUR LAST 110,000, IT'S A PERTINENT QUESTION.
I WOULD SUPPORT ROLLING IT INTO THE CITY OVERALL AWARDS.
BUT THEN ON THE FILM, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN FUND THAT WITHOUT US PUTTING IT THERE, THEN THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER, TOO.
>> I'M SURE AMANDA COULD FIND IT SOMEWHERE IN HER BUDGET.
>> THAT REQUIRED NO LEGISLATIVE ACTION [LAUGHTER]
WE GOT RUSSELL PARK BASEBALL MAINTENANCE.
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WHAT EXACTLY [INAUDIBLE]?>> THE ATLANTIC BEACH BASEBALL CLUB DOES SOME MAINTENANCE TO THE FIELDS, BUT WE SUPPLEMENT THAT AS WELL.
WE HAVE CLAY DELIVERED, WE HAVE SOD DELIVERED, WE FIX IRRIGATION THAT GETS BROKEN OUT THERE.
RIGHT NOW, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT BETWEEN FIELD A AND FIELD B, A SOLUTION.
IT'S SO HEAVILY USED, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
BUT THOSE FIELDS NECK DOWN THAT AREA AND THERE'S NOT GRASS THAT'S ABLE TO GROW IN THERE.
IT JUST GOES TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO KEEP THE FIELD IN TIP TOP SHAPE.
I'M THINKING THAT LINE ITEM ALSO HAS WIND SCREENS IN THERE.
THERE'S WINDSCREENS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AS WELL.
>> THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] WITHOUT THAT, THEY DON'T GET THE CLAY, THEY DON'T GET THE DIRT, THEY DON'T GET OR [OVERLAPPING].
>>THEY HAVE CLAY COMES OUT OF THAT.
>> WE HAVE A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GRAB MY BUDGET THAT MIGHT HAVE THE CLAY IN IT.
>> I BELIEVE THIS MONEY IS TO IDENTIFY A SOLUTION.
IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE THAT WALKWAY BETWEEN, I THINK IT'S FIELD B AND FIELD C.
>> A AND B. IT'S THE WALKWAY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CONCESSION STAIR.
IT'S SO HEAVILY TRAVELED, WE CAN'T KEEP GRASS IN IT.
THERE WAS A IDEA OF COMING UP WITH A SOME OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE COULD PLACE THERE SO THAT THE DIRT AND MUD DOESN'T GET WET.
IT DOESN'T GET TRACKED INTO THERE.
>> BUT THERE'S ALREADY MONEY IN THAT BUDGET THAT WE'VE ALREADY PASSED FOR SOME OF JACK RUSSELL'S BASEBALL.
>> IT'S THE THERMOPLASTIC FOR THE SIDE WALKS.
>> THAT'S THE PAINT WHERE YOU SEE THE STOP BARS.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PAINT, IT'S PLASTIC THAT THEY MELT.
>> IT'S PLASTIC WITH GLASS BEADS IN IT, SO IT'S RETRO REFLECTIVE.
IT MAKES THEM MORE VISIBLE AT NIGHT.
>> TRUST WALKS, YOUR STOP BARS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> IF YOU DRIVE SEMINOLE ROAD OR SHERRY DRIVE RIGHT NOW, YOU SEE MOST OF THE CROSSWALKS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN AS PART OF THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL ARE COMING APART.
WE'RE IN PROCESS OF REPLACING THOSE, WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING STOP BARS TO THE END OF OUR MONEY.
>> WE HAD THIS BIG SAFETY COMMITTEE, SO THIS IS PART OF OUR SAFETY INITIATIVE.
>> THAT'S PART OF MY SAFETY INITIATIVE.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY INPUT FROM THE SAFETY COMMITTEE ON CROSSWALKS OTHER THAN RELOCATING THE ONE OUT HERE, WHICH WILL HAPPEN VERY SHORTLY.
>> RICK WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE.
>> YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS NUMBER 30, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BULKHEAD IN THE POND? WHAT THAT DOES FOR US.
>> IF YOU GO TO THE DUBLIN PARK, YOU SEE THAT THE SOUTHERN BANK IS BASICALLY A VERTICAL DROP OFF THERE BECAUSE IT'S JUST SLOUGHING OFF INTO THE POND.
THE INTENT IS TO BUILD A BULKHEAD OVER PARTIAL AS MUCH OF THAT AS I GET FOR $90,000.
I HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
WITH SOME DOG FRIENDLY OPENINGS.
I'M THINKING STEPS INSTEAD OF A SLIDE, SOMETHING, SO DOGS DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TRAPPED IN THERE.
THEY STILL GOT AN ACCESS TO GET OUT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE DOGS CLIMBING ON THE BANKS, I CAN SEE EVENTUALLY SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, LONG AFTER I'M GONE, THAT THIS ENTIRE POND WILL BE BACK END.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH STORM-WATER, CORRECT?
>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STORM-WATER TREATMENT OR RETENTION.
NO. IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD ANY VOLUME.
IT IS STRICTLY TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE.
>> THE POND DOES ACT AS RETENTION.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE POND ITSELF IS STORM-WATER TREATMENT AND RETENTION.
>> LET ME GO TO ONE MORE ON FOLLOW ON THERE.
YOU ALSO HAD, I THINK THIS WAS IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, THE SOD AT THE DOG PARK, FOR 9,000?
>> THAT RETAINS BECAUSE EROSION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DOWN THERE? THAT ACTUALLY IS A STORM-WATER ISSUE.
>> THIS ONE IS A MAINTENANCE ITEM.
AMANDA IS GETTING THE FINAL QUOTES TO GO IN AND RE-SAW THE ENTIRE PARK.
>> THAT JUST CAME IN AT 23,000.
>> IT'S ALREADY IN. THANK YOU.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHY DO WE HAVE 52 IF IT'S IN THE CURRENT BUDGET? 52 SETS SIDE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S MAINTENANCE. IF YOU GOT DOGS RUNNING ON THIS SIDE, THEY TEAR IT UP.
>> WE TYPICALLY NEED TO REST IT TWICE A YEAR.
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I HAD TO CUT MONEY IN ONE OF MY ENHANCEMENTS.I CUT MONEY FROM THIS, $9,000 DOLLARS OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT RESOLVE THE PARK IF IT'S COMING IN AT 23 RIGHT NOW.
>> I JUST WANT TO PUT MY 9,000 IN MY BUDGET.
MY [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I THINK IT ACTUALLY DOES SOME GOOD FOR STORM-WATER.
>> THE THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAVE THAT I'VE INITIALLY ASKED FOR IN MY SUBMISSION HERE, WAS THAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT, IS THE ASHBY PARK UPGRADE PLAY EQUIPMENT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, ABOUT THAT BEING SEEM LIKE A HIGH NUMBER FOR PLAY EQUIPMENT, BUT I DON'T.
>> EVERYTHING HIGH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHO`S MAKE IT A ACTIVE PARK.
>> I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
>> WELL, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT AS BIG AS THIS ROOM, FIRST OF ALL.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS BEFORE THIS GOES ANY FURTHER.
I'M NOT GOING TO USE NAMES, BUT HAS THE NONPROFIT ASKED FOR US TO MAKE THIS INTO AN ACTIVE PARK WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT?
>> IS JUST LEFT OVER FROM THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PROPRIETOR OF THE SCHOOL, IT'S CALLED OUTDOOR KIDS, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT SHE CARES ONE IOTA ABOUT HAVING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND IF SHE DOESN'T, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE MARK PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY.
WE GOT OTHER THINGS WE'RE NOT FUNDING HERE, SO WE COULD SKIP THAT.
>> THEY DO MAKE, OF COURSE, IT COSTS MORE MONEY, PARK EQUIPMENT THAT LOOKS MORE NATURAL.
IT LOOKS LIKE TREE BARK, AND YOU CAN BLEND IT IN, SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT NATURAL.
THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR THAT AREA WAS, YOU ALL ARE ALREADY KNOW.
WE HAD PLAY EQUIPMENT OUT THERE THAT WOULD NOT PASS INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR SAFETY, AND SO IT WAS AN IDEA TO GET.
>> NO. THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PUT IN THERE PRIVATELY IS GONE.
ITEMS THEY BRING OUT THAT THEY CAN TAKE AWAY.
>> YOU GOT TO HAVE A MUD KITCHEN.
>> BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WE TOOK OUT.
WASN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT WAS SWING THE TIRES [OVERLAPPING].
>> PRIVATE CITIZENS HAD INSTALLED TREE SWINGS. WE TOOK THOSE OUT.
>> RIGHT NOW, IS THERE EVEN A PICNIC TABLE IN THAT.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY STUFF IN THE PARK.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY CITY STUFF THERE.
>> WELL, LACKING A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR SOMETHING, I THINK THIS IS AN EASY ONE TO PASS ON AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE GOT OTHER PRIORITIES THAT AREN'T BEING MET AS WELL.
>> CHIEF, YOU WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR YOUR SPEED TRAILER?
>> [INAUDIBLE] CAN YOU SPOT DOWN SO WE SEE WHAT WE GO.
>> I WILL SAY THIS, KNOWING THAT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION.
WE DID HAVE TWO SPEED TRAILERS THAT WE PUT OUT PERIODICALLY AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO HELP INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT NEED TO SLOW DOWN.
I CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT ONE OF THEM.
IT'LL CUT SERVICES A LITTLE BIT.
INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO DEPLOY TWO AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, I'LL BE ABLE TO DEPLOY ONE.
IF IT HELPS THE BUDGET, I'D BE HAPPY TO LET THAT GO AND IF I CAN BUY ONE NEXT YEAR WITH SOME SURPLUSES AND MY BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE'LL DO THAT.
WE JUST PUT THAT IN TO TRY AND MAINTAIN THE SAME SERVICE LEVEL.
>> I WANT TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
I KNOW WE CAN'T FUND ALL OF THE 125, BUT THERE'S JUST SO MANY SIDEWALKS THAT I WALK ON OR THAT I FREQUENT, THAT JUST REALLY BADLY NEED TO BE.
>> RICK HAS A 125,000 IN HIS BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT BRITTANY REMINDED ME THAT THERE'S 125,000 IN THE CAPITAL FUND, SO IN TOTAL, THERE'S 250,000.
STILL NOT ENOUGH TO FIX THE MAIN STREET SIDEWALK ISSUE?
>> BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PIPE THE DITCH THERE, THAT BUMP THE COST UP FOR OVER A MILLION DOLLAR.
>> I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS, BUT BRITTANY, COULD YOU SCROLL BACK UP, PLEASE.
WHERE'S THE DITCH MAINTENANCE, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY?
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[INAUDIBLE] RICK, THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO STAY UP FRONT BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS GOT YOUR NAME ON IT.THAT'S AN INCREMENTAL ADDITION.
>> I'M SORRY. 25,000 PITCH MAINTENANCE.
>> FOR DITCH MAINTENANCE, THAT'S IN ADDITION.
>> TO WHAT WE DID THIS PAST YEAR, FOR THREE STREETS, WEST SIDE ALL.
WE WENT IN AND RESHAPED AND RE-SITED THE DITCHES.
THIS IS JUST TO CONTINUE THAT?
>> NO AND I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT IN THERE.
MY QUESTION TO THIS COMMISSION IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARK EQUIPMENT AND SO ON, AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE.
WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE FLOODING, AND SOME OF IT IS AVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE DITCHES ARE NOT MAINTAINED AS FREQUENTLY AS THEY COULD BE.
WE HAVE WHAT A FIVE YEAR ROTATING OR REVOLVING.
>> WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR REQUIREMENT FOR INSPECTION, NOT FOR ACTUAL RECONSTRUCTION.
>> BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION, IF YOU HAD 50,000 ADDITIONAL INSTEAD OF 25,000, WOULD IT BE A WASTE? BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MANPOWER.
NOW, I BELIEVE YOU OUTSOURCED THIS?
>> I DID, AND I WILL DO IT AGAIN.
>> RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT YOUR MANPOWER.
>> WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO SUPERVISE THEM.
>> FAIR ENOUGH. BUT YOU ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FLOODING, WE'RE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
AM I GOING TO REGRET NOT PUSHING MORE MONEY INTO THAT MAINTENANCE?
>> I DON'T THINK YOU'LL REGRET IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK OUR DITCH CONDITION.
MOST OF OUR DITCHES ARE WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO ANY FLOODING.
I DIDN'T FOLLOW LAST YEAR'S STORMS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE HAD FLOODING, BUT I BELIEVE STEVE'S PROJECTS IN AQUATIC GARDEN REGION ARE GOING TO IMPACT THE HOMES MOST IMPACTED.
[OVERLAPPING] ARE ON KAVALA AND ALONGSIDE ROAD.
>> I WANT TO SAY IT'S NUISANCE FLOODING.
EXAMPLE IS OAK CIRCLE THIS PAST YEAR.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT WATER GOING INTO HOMES.
I CAN SPEND $50,000 S TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
OR WHOEVER'S SITTING IN THE CHAIR.
>> WE'RE AT 1.8, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF GIVING DITCH MAINTENANCE.
I GRANT DITCH MAINTENANCE, 7.5.
>> REALLY. IT'S NOT ABOUT GOING INTO THE HOMES, AS THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED.
IT IS FLOODING THE STREETS, AND JUST THIS PAST WEEK WITH A HIGHER TIDE THAN NORMAL, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET EVEN HIGHER TIDES.
>> THAT ISLAND ROAD OUT TO THE PARK WENT UNDERWATER LAST.
>> I'M SURE. BUT THE DITCH MAINTENANCE WOULD HELP CURVE SOME OF THOSE STREETS.
>> BECAUSE THERE'S NO FOR THE WATER TO CURVE.
>> WE HAVE STORMS LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST WEEK WHERE WE GET AN INCH RAIN IN A HALF HOUR.
[LAUGHTER] NO, NOT GOING TO HELP.
YOU ALREADY HAVE DITCH MONEY IN YOUR REGULAR BUDGET?
>> YES. I HAVE DITCH MONEY THAT SUPPORTS MY GUYS DOING DITCH.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T PUT ANY MONEY IN DITCHES.
THIS IS JUST EXTRA MONEY FOR SURE.
>> I HAVE STORM WATER MAINTENANCE MONEY IN MY 407 ACCOUNT.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED.
>> THIS WOULD GO INTO THE CAPITAL FUND, BRITTANY.
WOULD THIS GO INTO CAPITAL OR WOULD THIS STAY IN THE 470, GENERAL FUND? IT COULDN'T GO INTO 470.
>> WOULD YOU SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL 25? WE'RE AGREEING TO RAISE THE 25,000 ON LINE 23-50.
IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
PUT ALL THE NAMES ACROSS, INCLUDING MR. GRANT.
>> THANK YOU. DO WE WANT MORE THAN 50? WE STILL HAVE SOME MONEY.
>> WELL, BUT WE'RE DONE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS YET. BUT THANK YOU.
THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE ON DITCH MAINTENANCE.
I JUST KNOW THAT DIRECTIONALLY, THIS IS CORRECT.
WHEN OUR CITIZENS HAVE A PROBLEM THIS YEAR, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED IT AND WE ACTED ON IT, AND WE ACTUALLY ELEVATED THAT.
>> THE NUMBER 1 THING THAT OUR RESIDENTS NOTICE THAT THE CITY DOES, BESIDES PICK UP THEIR GARBAGE.
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DITCH MAINTENANCE IS VERY HIGH ON THAT LIST, TOO.PEOPLE WHO HAVE DITCHES AND SWALES IN FRONT YARD.
LOVE TO SEE THE CITY WORKING ON THOSE DITCHES.
>> BY THE WAY. SECOND STREET IN THE V NEED SOME WORK.
>> THAT'S AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM, I HAVE A SOLUTION.
>> RAISED CROWN IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
>> NO, MINUS PUT A CONCRETE VALUE.
>> CITY ENGINEER, CAN YOU WORK THAT OUT? PLEASE. THANKS. WHAT NUMBER?
>> FIVE THOUSAND IS GOING TO GO TO THE FLETCHER BAN.
>> WOULD YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION THERE? WE CAN WAIT.
>> I'M FOR IT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY THAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
>> PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE DONE THIS.
I REMEMBER VOTING FOR THIS FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
WE NEED TO TELL THEM THOUGH, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, WE GOT TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE THEM GO HALFWAY.
>> WE GOT ONE IN. I'M IN. YOU'RE IN.
>> JESSICA AND THEN COMMISSIONER KELLY IS NOT.
THAT'S 5,000 SUBJECT TO A MATCHING BY ONE OR BOTH OF THE CITIES OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND NEPTUNE BEACH.
>> WE'RE PUTTING SOME MONEY IN VETERANS PARK.
CAN WE BUY THE BIKE RACKS? WE'RE DOING A PAVILION AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE MARSH OAKS.
>> I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS A VETERAN.
BUT I'LL BE HONESTLY, HOW MANY OF THOSE VETERANS RIDE BIKES THERE?
>> BUT [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] A COMMUNITY CENTER.
>> DIFFERENT. BUT WE HAVE THERE, TOO.
>> TYPICALLY WE BUY BIKE RACKS OUT OF OPERATING FUNDS.
>> PLUS NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED IT, I THINK I CAN GET A ROTARY BIKE RACK INSTALLED THERE.
>> WE DID GO OVER THE FAIRWAY VILLAS ZERO SCAPING AND SIGN AND ENTRANCE FEATURE.
IS THAT ONE GOING TO DIE OFF BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO VOTES?
I GET THE FACT THAT WE ACCEPTED A CITY PARK FROM THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME IT WAS BUILT.
BUT THAT'S JUST A REGULAR SUBDIVISION.
>> SORRY, YOU DID SAY MAYOR THAT IF I VOTED FOR YOUR FIVE, THAT IT'S GOT.
>> YES. WE'VE DONE THINGS BEFORE IN THE NAME OF BEAUTIFYING MAYPORT ROAD CORRIDOR.
WE'VE GOT THINGS HAPPENING ON THE EDGE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ATLANTIC BEACH THAT ARE NOT REALLY FAVORABLE TO WHAT WE WANT HAPPENING ON THE MAYPORT CORRIDOR.
THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
>> IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION, TOO, AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER GRANT SAYING THAT, BUT CHIEF VICK, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I EMAILED YOU ABOUT A VAGRANT IN THAT AREA? AT LEAST TWICE.
>> I APOLOGIZE. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT BETWEEN THAT ENTRANCE AND NORTH OF THERE UP TO THE WHATEVER, COMMERCIAL DOLLAR TREE, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD TRANSIENTS IN THE AREA THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO ASKED TO MOVE AWAY.
>> WOULD THIS HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, POSSIBLY? I MEAN.
>> YES. IF YOU TRY LANDSCAPE AREAS APPROPRIATELY AND MAKE THEM LESS ATTRACTIVE TO BE OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE. ANYTHING WOULD HELP.
>> CHIEF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAY ON THIS PARK, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS ENHANCEMENT.
YOU GOING TO STAY ON THIS PART.
>> I'LL PUT A TENT RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER TENT THAT'S THERE.
I DID AGREE, SO I'M SUPPORTING THAT.
TENT LINE 56 AND 57, I SUPPOSE.
>> YES. I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE A KID IN A CANDY STORE GIVING FIVE DOLLAR AND SPEND FIVE DOLLAR.
AS A TAXPAYER, I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOW AND SAYING, I'M OUT.
>> GOOD. WHO ELSE HAS A PASSION?
>> I WANTED TO KNOW THAT. TAKE IT OUT.
BY THE WAY, WHERE DID THE ICE MACHINE GO?
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I MEAN, WHO DOES THAT SUPPORT? IT'S IN THE PUBLIC WORKS. GOT IT.>> HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR HEAT.
>> HEY, RICK, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARALLEL PARKING AT JORDAN?
>> HOW YOU BRING ALONG A [INAUDIBLE] FOR THIS ONE.
>> IT IS IN THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN.
IT IS ALONG THE AREA WHEN YOU PULL IN, THERE'S A REST ROOM, AND THERE'S THE GRAVEL AREA.
THERE'S ALREADY A AD 8 PARKING SPOT, AND THIS HELPS IDENTIFY AND DELINEATE WHERE THE ACTUAL PARKING IS.
IT'S OVER ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PARK ON JORDAN STREET.
>> JORDAN ON THAT END STREET ENDS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PINE TREES THERE CURRENTLY.
AGAIN, IT'S DELINEATING WHERE TO PARK AND GET THEM PARKING IN A CORRECT DIRECTION.
THAT'S THE ENTRANCE AND AREA OVER IF YOU WENT TO THE EASTER EGG HUNT, WHERE THE TRAIN RIDE WAS?
>> EXCUSE ME. DO WE HAVE A FEELING FOR HOW WELL UTILIZED THAT PARK IS?
>> THAT'S PRETTY WELL UTILIZED.
>> THAT IS PRETTY WELL UTILIZED.
>> WELL, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB USE IT DAILY.
I KNOW IT'S A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF BASKETBALL PLAYED THERE.
IS THERE A REQUEST THAT WE INCLUDE THAT? IT TAKES YOU OVER THE ONE MILLION AND NINE.
>> IT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT HORRIBLE TO PARK OVER THERE.
I FIND PARKING EASILY THERE. IT'S HARDER HERE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT MOVING THAT POLE. WHAT ELSE?
>> JUST LOOKING AT THINGS THAT MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT FOR, THE KAYAK LAUNCH AT TIDE VIEWS IS THAT A HEAVILY USED ITEM, THE KAYAK LAUNCH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF KAYAKERS GOING OUT THERE AND USING THAT OR DO WE HAVE A FEEL WHO WANTS? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'RE CLOSED FOR A WHILE.
>> THAT KAYAK LAUNCH, THAT WASN'T THE ONE THAT RICK WAS REFERRING TO.
>> WHAT WAS THE GENESIS FOR THAT REQUEST?
>> RICK, YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE, COME ON.
>> THIS IS A FLOATING OR SUBMERSIBLE.
>> KAYAK LAUNCH. THAT'S AT THE END OF SUNSET PIER.
>> IS IT HEAVILY UTILIZED THAT LAUNCH AREA?
>> VERY FEW PEOPLE IN MY EXPERIENCE, LAUNCH FROM THERE?
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE PULL UP THERE.
IT'S A RESTING AREA, MORE THAN A STAGING AREA.
>>YOU HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT SUNSET THEN TO PARK OVER IN THE PARK.
IT'S QUITE A HALL WITH A KAYAK.
MOST PEOPLE DO JUST REST THERE.
>> MAYBE WE EVEN NEED A LAUNCH THERE.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S NICE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE KAYAKING IN DUTTON ISLAND.
THEY'LL GO THAT WAY, AND THEN THEY'LL FISH OFF THE DOCK THERE.
IT GIVES THEM A RESTING PLACE THE CANAL.
>> IT'S OLD AND YOU GAVE US THE DATE, CAN IT GO FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS?
>> YES. YOU'RE ON THE DATE. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LOOKED AT IT.
>> IS IT FALLING OFF THE PIER?
>> YEAH. IT IS PARTIALLY SINKING.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE JUST REMOVE IT.
IT'S EITHER REMOVE IT OR REPLACE IT.
>> DO THEY ALLOW, WELL, THAT IF YOU REMOVED IT, COULD THEY STILL PARK THERE OR STOP THERE AND THEN GET OFF AND THEN GO ONTO.
>> YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TIE THINGS, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LEGALLY TO GET OFF.
IT WOULD NOT, I WOULDN'T DO IT.
>> YES. I WOULD SAY THEY GET SLICK DOWN THERE.
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I PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IT.>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED PICTURES BEFORE WE REMOVED IT ALTOGETHER.
>> I HAVE A SUGGESTION AND I THINK I MAY BE FOLLOWING ON TO COMMISSIONER BOLE, WE'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
WE CAN COME BACK MID YEAR, BEGINNING FIRST QUARTER OF THE BUDGET YEAR, WHATEVER, WE CAN ADD IN.
SOME OF THESE REVENUE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO ADJUST ON US ANYWAYS, I BELIEVE, AREN'T THEY?
>> YEAH, THEY WEREN'T SET IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE NUMBERS.
THE ONLY ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG AN ISSUE IT IS.
THAT'S DECISION FOR THE COMMISSION IS THAT $47,550 REPRESENTS THAT PORTION ABOVE THE 50%.
TECHNICALLY, YOU'D BE VIOLATING YOUR RESOLUTION.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO A YEAR FROM NOW, WHEN THE BOOKS GET AUDITED, IT MAY WASH OUT.
>> UNLESS WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE.
>> I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE MET THE PURPOSE.
>> I GUESS, LIKE RICK MENTIONED AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES, WE'RE STILL ON ESTIMATES, AND SOME OF THEM WE DON'T EVEN HAVE BIDS ON YET.
I MEAN, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S LOOKING AT 4% NEXT YEAR.
YOU CAN DO THE MATH. I'M GOOD.
EVERYBODY ELSE, GOOD? I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB TODAY.
THANK YOU, MR. KILLINGSWORTH FOR RECREATING A SHEET THAT WE COULD WORK FROM.
>> WHAT I'LL DO IS, THIS WILL ALL GET INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET, AND ACTUALLY, THE FINAL AGENDA DID NOT GO OUT TODAY BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE NUMBER FROM TONIGHT.
THE AGENDA WILL GO OUT TOMORROW.
THESE NUMBERS WILL BE ON FRIDAY.
WITH THESE NUMBERS IN IT, AND THEN THE BUDGET ORDINATES WILL HAVE THESE PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING INCORPORATED IN.
>> I JUST LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THE QUALITY WORK AND BEING ABLE TO ANSWER 90% OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT A CONSENSUS.
MAYBE WE DID AND I MISSED IT ON TAKING OVER THE AWARDS.
NOT DOING THAT AS A [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING ONE MAIN AWARDS.
>> THEN IT WOULD BE FUNDED EACH YEAR.
>> THEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT FORMALIZED, I AM SO IN FAVOR OF AMANDA DIPPING INTO HER FUNDS AND FUNDING THE VIDEO OR.
>> SHE'S NOT THE ONLY DIRECTOR WHO SOMETIMES GETS TOLD TO FIND THE MONEY AND FUND SOMETHING.
>> THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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