Oct 27, 2025 Commission Meeting

>> COMMISSIONER GRANT.

>> COMMISSIONER KELLY.

>> COMMISSIONER RING.

>> PRESENT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION IN THE ORDER IF IT'S OKAY WITH THIS BODY THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE SWEARING IN FIRST, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THAT.

>> MAYOR FORD.

THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THE AUDITORS PRESENTATION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

BUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST HAVE TO SAY I COULD HOLD IT TILL LATER, BUT COMMISSIONER RING, HAPPY BIRTHDAY YESTERDAY, AND I HOPE IT'S STILL GOING GOOD FOR YOU.

AS A BIRTHDAY PRESENT, AND IT'S REALLY A PRESENT FOR ME, AND I HOPE FOR ALL OF US, COMMISSIONER RING'S HUSBAND IS NOW THE CAPTAIN OF STATION 55 RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S A BIG ONE.

HAVING THREE DAUGHTERS, HE'LL SEE THE THREE DAUGHTERS A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN HE DID BEFORE, SO CONGRATS.

ITEM 1 IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES,

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

STARTING WITH THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 13, 2025.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN?

>> MOTION MOVED.

>> ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?

THEN WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING ON OCTOBER 18, 2025.

>> MOTIONS ARE APPROVED.

ANY CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES? THEN THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS SUBMITTED.

LET'S GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SWEARING IN OF OFFICERS JACOB PFINGSTON,

[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]

AND ROBERT DICKSON, CHIEF.

PLEASE CORRECT MY PRONUNCIATION ON JACOB'S LAST NAME.

>> YEAH, PFINGSTON, SIR.

>> IT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> I STAND BEHIND THIS PODIUM. MY MIND HAVE GONE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR US IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK AN IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR THE OFFICERS WHO ARE BRINGING ON JACOB PFINGSTON AND ROBERT DICKSON.

IF I COULD TO GET THE OFFICERS, PLEASE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE DAIS, FACE THE AUDIENCE FOR ME, PLEASE? GENTLEMEN, LET ME REMIND YOU OF A FEW THINGS ON THIS IMPORTANT OCCASION.

YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS PROFESSION.

YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO SERVE OTHERS.

YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO STAND BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL.

YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO BE THE THIN BLUE LINE.

BLUE LINE, WHICH MANY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU NOW STAND WITH A SELECT FEW WHO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO DEFEND THE LINE AGAINST INJUSTICE.

TO HELP BIND ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TOGETHER, WE HAVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE OF ETHICS.

I WANT TO REMIND YOU THIS CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1957 IS NO MORE THAN JUST WORDS ON A PIECE OF PAPER UNLESS YOU BRING THOSE IDEALS TO LIFE BY LIVING THEM.

PUTTING THEM INTO PRACTICE EVERY DAY YOU WAKE UP AND EVERY DAY YOU COME TO WORK.

WITHOUT YOU, THESE WORDS HAVE NO POWER.

I LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY, AND YOU, AGAIN, THIS CODE OF ETHICS WHICH YOU SWORE AN OATH TO.

AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, MY FUNDAMENTAL DUTY IS TO SERVE, TO SAFEGUARD LIVES AND PROPERTY, TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT AGAINST DECEPTION, THE WEAK AGAINST OPPRESSION OR INTIMIDATION, AND THE PEACEFUL AGAINST VIOLENCE OR DISORDER,

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AND TO RESPECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF ALL TO LIBERTY, EQUALITY, AND JUSTICE.

I WILL KEEP MY PRIVATE LIFE UNSULLIED AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL, MAINTAIN COURAGEOUS CALM IN THE FACE OF DANGER, SCORN, OR RIDICULE, DEVELOP SELF RESTRAINT, AND BE CONSTANTLY MINDFUL OF THE WELFARE OF OTHERS.

HONEST AND THOUGHT IN DEED IN BOTH MY PERSONAL AND OFFICIAL LIFE, I'LL BE EXEMPLARY IN OBEYING THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND THE REGULATIONS OF MY DEPARTMENT.

WHATEVER I SEE OR HEAR OF A CONFIDENTIAL NATURE OR THAT IS CONFIDED TO ME IN MY OFFICIAL CAPACITY, I WILL KEEP EVERY SECRET UNLESS REVELATION IS NECESSARY IN THE PERFORMANCE OF MY DUTIES.

I WILL NEVER ACT OFFICIOUSLY, OR PERMIT PERSONAL FEELINGS, PREJUDICES, ANIMOSITIES OR FRIENDSHIPS TO INFLUENCE MY DECISIONS.

WITH NO COMPROMISE OR CRIME AND WITH RELENTLESS PROSECUTION OR CRIMINALS, I WILL ENFORCE THE LAWS COURTEOUSLY, APPROPRIATELY WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR, MALICE OR ILL WILL, NEVER EMPLOYING UNNECESSARY FORCE OR VIOLENCE AND NEVER ACCEPTING GRATUITIES.

I RECOGNIZE THE BADGE OF MY OFFICE AS A SYMBOL OF PUBLIC FAITH, AND I ACCEPT IT AS A PUBLIC TRUST TO BE HELD SO LONG AS I AM TRUE TO THE ETHICS OF THE POLICE SERVICE.

I WILL CONSTANTLY STRIVE TO ACHIEVE THESE OBJECTIVES AND IDEALS, DEDICATING MYSELF TO MY CHOSEN PROFESSION, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

GENTLEMEN, IF YOU CAN APPLY THESE WORDS WITH LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AND LOVE FOR YOUR PROFESSION, I PROMISE YOU A FULFILLING AND FRUITFUL CAREER.

IF YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS AND REPEAT AFTER ME, YOU MAY INSERT YOUR NAMES AFTER I. I, DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO ENFORCE THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTIONS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LAWS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

I ACCEPT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE OF ETHICS AS MY STANDARD.

LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE OF ETHICS, AND CONDUCT AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.

CONGRATULATIONS, GENTLEMEN. WITH US, WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION, WE ALLOW YOU TO CHOOSE WHO PINS ON YOUR BADGE, JACOB.

WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO PIN ON YOUR BADGE?

>> MY WIFE, KAREN, TO PUT ON MY BADGE.

>> COME UP. KAREN, JUST YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAPPEN TO MISS AND YOU DRAW THE BLOOD, NO HARM, NO FOUL.

WE UNDERSTAND IT WAS.

>> ROBERT, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO PIN ON YOUR BADGE?

>> PLEASE COME. IF YOU MISS WE GET YOU A FREEBIE.

HE'S HAD HIS [INAUDIBLE] NOW.

[LAUGHTER] GENTLEMEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE THE MIC FOR A MOMENT.

>> COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US DO THIS. I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT HERE. THANK YOU, CHIEF.

>> I'M JUST GETTING TO THE GOOD STUFF. YOU LEAVING?

>> COMMISSIONER. I THINK I'VE BEEN HORN SWAGGLE.

>> NO COMMENT.

>> YES. THAT'S A TERM THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW.

LET'S MOVE BACK TO ITEM 2A.

OUR AUDITOR IS HERE.

PLEASE COME ON UP AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TODAY.

ALSO, THANK YOU FOR LETTING THEM GO

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FIRST OUR LITTLE KIDS DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN. [LAUGHTER]

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE. I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU. VERY GRACIOUS OF YOU.

>> PUT THEM OFF MY HATS FOREVER.

>> DID YOU WANT TO CONTROL IT?

>> WHICH AREA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ME?

>> ARROW IS FINE.

>> IS IT WORKING?

>> I THINK THE MOUSE WORKS.

I CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

I CAN DO IT WITH THE MOUSE.

>> FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME?

>> MY NAME IS KEVIN SMITH.

I'M AN AUDIT DIRECTOR WITH PURVIS, GRAY & COMPANY, YOUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS.

>> WHAT DID WE DO IN THE AUDIT ENGAGEMENT? WE'VE ISSUED SEVERAL REPORTS.

THE FIRST REPORT IS THE FINANCIAL AUDIT REPORT, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

INTERNAL CONTROLS AND COMPLIANCE AFFECTING FINANCIAL REPORTING.

WE LOOK AT YOUR INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT ARE FACTOR INTO YOUR FINANCIAL REPORTING.

THEN EXAMINATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH CSLFRF.

THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR PROGRAM.

YOU'RE ABOUT TO THE END OF SPENDING ALL THOSE FUNDS, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO AN EXAMINATION.

THEN ALSO AN EXAMINATION OF YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTES ON INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC FUNDS.

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INVESTMENT POLICY, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW CERTAIN STATUTES, AND WE ALSO LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMPLYING WITH YOUR OWN INVESTMENT POLICY.

THE AUDITOR'S REPORT, WE HAVE ISSUED WHAT IS IT, UNMODIFIED OPINION, CLEAN OPINION. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE FAIRLY STATED IN ALL MATERIAL ASPECTS, AND THAT THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS CAN BE RELIED UPON.

THEN WE LOOK AT THE INTERNAL CONTROL REPORT.

WE DID HAVE ONE FINDING THIS YEAR ON THE INTERNAL CONTROL.

IT'S A REPEAT COMMENT.

IT'S 2024-001.

IT DEALS WITH FINANCIAL CLOSING REPORTING.

WE HAD SOME MATERIAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAD TO BE POSTED TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AS WELL AS NOT ALL THE AUDIT AREAS WERE READY AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE OUT HERE, SO IT DELAYED THE AUDIT A LITTLE BIT.

I COULD TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO.

>> I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN THE MATERIAL.

>> WE GOT IT RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK OF THE REPORT.

LET ME PULL THAT UP. THAT'LL BE EASIER.

AT THE BACK OF THE BOUND REPORT, THERE'S A MORE DETAILED.

BUT BASICALLY, SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND RELATED EXPENDITURES BEING IN THE WRONG PERIOD, STUFF LIKE THAT.

THAT'S EASY TO FIX.

CORRECTION OF WATER AND SEWER FUND ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND DEFERRED REVENUE.

I BELIEVE THE BEGINNING BALANCE WASN'T REVERSED.

THE CORRECTION TO RECORD ONE MILLION OF LAND PURCHASE.

THE LAND WAS ON THE BOOKS, BUT IT DIDN'T GET INTO WHAT WE CALL THE GENERAL FIXED ASSET ACCOUNT GROUP.

ALL THOSE ITEMS WERE CORRECTED.

THEN MANAGEMENT HAS ISSUED AT THE BACK OF REPORT THEIR RESPONSE OF HOW THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS NEXT YEAR MOVING FORWARD.

>> COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARPA PROGRAM, WE HAD NO ISSUES THERE.

THEN THE COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 218, AND THAT'S YOUR INVESTMENT, WE ALSO DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES THERE.

THEN THE LAST REPORT IS THE MANAGEMENT LETTER AS REQUIRED BY THE AUDITOR GENERAL.

WE DID HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE FIRST ONE, 2024-002.

THE GENERAL PENSION PLAN HAD ABOUT $1 MILLION THAT THEY HAD WAS A TEMPORARY LOAN FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

THE INVESTMENT PLAN HAS PLENTY OF CASH, WAS THE CASH MANAGEMENT THING.

YOU HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND DUE TO IN THE PENSION FUND.

THEN LASTLY, 2024-003 SANITATION FUND.

I KNOW YOU INCREASED YOUR RATES.

BUT WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE EVEN AFTER THE RATE INCREASE, YOU'RE STILL ACCUMULATING A NEGATIVE NET POSITION.

THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

THEN NOT EVERYTHING IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT OR ACTUAL NUMBERS,

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YOU DO HAVE TO DO ESTIMATES SOMETIMES.

THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ESTIMATES THAT YOU HAVE ARE THE NET PENSION LIABILITY, UNRELATED ITEMS, AND THE NET OPEB LIABILITY AND RELATED ITEMS, WHICH ARE PREPARED BY ACTUARIES.

THEN SIGNIFICANT AUDIT MATTERS.

WE HAD NO ISSUES WITHIN THE ACCOUNTING POLICIES.

YOU CAN FIND THOSE IN NOTE 1 OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT DISCLOSURES WERE FINE, THEY'RE ALL NEUTRAL, CONSISTENT, AND CLEAR.

WE DID HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS WHICH I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, AND DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED PERFORMING THE AUDIT, THERE WAS A DELAY GETTING SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION AFTER WE WERE OUT HERE.

I WANT TO GO PRETTY HIGH LEVEL OVER THE GENERAL FUNDS.

WE HAVE FISCAL YEAR '24 IN THE FIRST COLUMN, FISCAL YEAR '23.

YOU STILL HAVE TOTAL REVENUES ARE PRETTY FLAT FOR THE YEAR.

YOU DID HAVE A PRETTY GOOD YEAR FOR INVESTMENTS.

THIS WAS OFFSET BY YOUR LICENSE AND PERMITS AND NON-PROPERTY TAXES.

INCLUDED IN HERE IS THE CHAPTER PLAN MONEY FOR THE CASUALTY FOR THE POLICE PLAN.

WE DIDN'T GET IT THIS YEAR.

I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE GETTING IT IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR SINCE THE AUDIT WAS LATE IN '23.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ITEM ONE MORE TIME?

>> THE CASUALTY PREMIUM INSURANCE FOR THE POLICE PENSION PLANS, YOU HAVE TO FILE A REPORT, AND IF YOU DON'T FILE YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ON TIME, THEY WITHHOLD THE MONEY.

LAST YEAR, THE AUDIT WAS ISSUED AROUND JANUARY, AND SO THEY SHOULD BE RELEASING THOSE FUNDS IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING WE RECEIVED.

>> WE ALREADY RECEIVED IT. I FIGURED. YES, SIR.

>> QUICK QUESTION. UNDER LICENSE AND PERMITS, IT SHOWS US NET 153,626. HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> THAT'S A PART OF THE CASUALTY.

IT'S ABOUT $150,000 THAT YOU GET IN THE CASUALTY INSURANCE PREMIUM.

IT RUNS TO THE GENERAL FUND FIRST BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE POLICE PENSION FUND.

>> THANKS.

>> THEN YOU CAN SEE THE EXPENDITURES ARE UP, ABOUT 6% OR 858,000.

THE BIGGEST ITEMS WERE RELATED TO CAPITAL OUTLAY.

YOU DID BUY BUILDING, I BELIEVE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND ALSO LIFEGUARD STATION.

DROPPING DOWN, WE CAN SEE THAT NET TRANSFERS IN DECREASED FOR ABOUT 720,000.

THAT'S RELATED TO ARPA.

LAST YEAR, YOU HAD A LOT MORE ARPA TRANSFERS FROM THE ARPA FUND.

NOW IN ALL, YOUR NET CHANGE OF FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR WAS A NEGATIVE 225,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BALANCE SHEET, YOU CAN SEE THAT TOTAL ASSETS WERE PRETTY FLAT.

LIABILITIES WERE OUT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS JUST AP TIMING RELATED STUFF.

IF YOU TAKE TOTAL ASSETS AND TOTAL LIABILITIES, YOU GET THE RESIDUALS, WHAT WE CALL FUND BALANCE.

>> UNDER GASB, IT'S BEEN BROKEN OUT IN THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

NON-SPENDABLE, THAT'S LIKE INSURANCE AND PREPAIDS.

YOU CAN'T SPEND IT TWICE, RESTRICTED.

IT'S USUALLY OUTSIDE A GRANT OR A LAW THAT RESTRICTS THE REVENUE.

THEN YOU'RE ASSIGNED INCLUDES YOUR 25% OPERATING RESERVES, AS WELL AS ANY USE OF FUND BALANCE IN THE SUBSEQUENT BUDGET, THE BUDGET OF THE FUND, AND THEN UNASSIGNED IS THE RESIDUAL THAT'S LEFT.

ONE OF THE MEASURES WE LOOK AT IS THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AS A PERCENT OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES.

THIS YEAR, 930-24, DOWN ABOUT 31%, WHICH IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.

BUT YOU DO ALSO HAVE YOUR ASSIGNED, THAT'S TO FALL BACK ON.

>> CAN YOU BACK FOR A SECOND? THIS IS A QUESTION MAYBE FOR MR. KILLINGSWORTH, ON THE ASSIGNED, THE PREVIOUS YEAR WAS 4,094,000.

IF THAT HAD TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25%, THAT WASN'T 25% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

WHY WOULD THE UNASSIGNED BE SO MUCH LOWER LAST YEAR THAN IT IS THIS YEAR?

>> I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT $400 DID REPRESENT 25% OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THE TOTAL BUDGET GENERAL.

>> THE GENERAL FUND. IF I MULTIPLIED 4*4,

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THAT WOULD SUGGEST THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET LAST YEAR WAS WHAT 16,000. I THOUGHT IT WAS.

>> WAS CLOSER TO FIVE MILLION, SO THAT WOULD BE 24.5.

>> NO, THIS IS 4,094,000.

ANYWAYS, I'M IN THE FISCAL YEAR '23 SECOND COLUMN, BUT I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT LATER.

IT JUST STRUCK ME AS BEING LIGHT.

>> NOT BEING ABOUT THE '23 BUDGET.

WHEN YOU PASSED THREE DAYS BEFORE I SIGN.

>> WELL, THAT'S NOTEWORTHY.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN HE'S REFERRING AS WE JUST FINISHED? THIS IS THE YEAR BEFORE '23.

>> THANK YOU FOR EACH.

GOING BACK TO ESSENTIALLY TWO YEARS-

>> NEXT TIME I STAND UP HERE WILL BE MY SECOND.

>> GOOD. LOOKING AT THE ENTERPRISE FUND IS THE INCOME STATEMENT.

WE'VE INCLUDED ALL OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT TOTAL REVENUES WERE UP ABOUT 190,000.

THE BIG INCREASE WAS IN SANITATION, AND YOU RAISED YOUR RATES, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 16%.

THEN EXPENDITURES WERE UP CLOSE TO ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS REVENUES WERE, SO IT WAS PRETTY MUCH A WASH.

IF YOU LOOK AT '24, AFTER ANY NON OPERATING REVENUE, WHICH A LOT OF THAT INTEREST, YOUR CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS, AND YOUR NET TRANSFER IN OR OUT, YOU HAD A NET CHANGE IN THAT POSITION, ABOUT 1.6 MILLION THIS YEAR VERSUS THEE MILLION IN THE PRIOR YEAR.

ONE THING TO POINT OUT AND THAT 532, SOME OF THAT WAS ARPA FUNDS, I BELIEVE, THAT WERE TRANSFERRED IN, AND THEN OVER HERE, YOU TRANSFERRED OUT SOME MONEY TO CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

THEN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS' TOTAL ASSETS ARE PRETTY FLAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT TOTAL LIABILITIES, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS RELATED TO YOUR BONDS, AS JUST NORMAL PAYDOWN OF DEBT.

ALL IN ALL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL ENTERPRISE FUNDS COMBINED, YOU'RE ABOUT A 112% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURE.

YOU HAVE ABOUT A YEAR OF UNRESTRICTED COMBINED WITH ALL THE FUNDS.

THEN LASTLY, THE PENSIONS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, SO THIS IS BOTH FOR '24 COLUMNS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CHANGE IN THAT POSITION FOR GENERAL IS ABOUT FOUR MILLION, 10.6 MILLION FOR POLICE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS REALLY GOOD INVESTMENT RETURNS THIS YEAR.

THIS IS '24 COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL RATE.

ANYTIME THAT YOU EXCEED THAT, IT HELPS YOUR FUNDED POSITION.

LASTLY, IF YOU LOOK, SO NET ASSET SALE FOR PENSION BENEFITS, THAT'S THE NET AMOUNT THAT'S IN THOSE FUNDS.

GENERAL A 27.8 MILLION.

THE ACTUARIES CALCULATED THAT IT WAS 27.2, SO YOU'RE AT 100% FUNDED FOR THE GENERAL AND 95% FOR THE POLICE.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD POSITION TO BE IN.

ONE THING I WILL MENTION IS THAT YOU CAN'T EXPECT 22% RETURNS EVERY YEAR.

NOW, WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST WANT TO BRAG ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS A GUY WHO USED TO BE ON THE PITCH IN THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I WOULD BET THIS PUTS US IN THE TOP 90% OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, OR MAYBE EVEN ABOVE [OVERLAPPING]

>> YEAH, I WOULD THINK SO.

>> I SAW THE NUMBERS ON THE OTHER CITIES, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BRAG HERE A LITTLE BIT. THANKS.

>> TEN YEARS AGO, WE WERE NOT IN THAT GOOD SHAPE.

>> QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THE SLIDE IN WHICH YOU SHOW THE RESERVE THE PERCENTAGE.

THAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE'VE ASSIGNED TO THE RESERVES. THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM?

>> YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS SLIDE?

>> NOW THAT'S THE UNASSIGNED.

>> THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF UNASSIGNED?

>> JUST UNASSIGNED. UP HERE IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR 25%.

IT'S NOT INCLUDING THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> SURE.

>> THERE WAS AN INVESTMENT PAGE WHERE YOU SHOWED 124% RETURN.

ALMOST LIKE DOUBLE, OF COURSE, MORE THAN DOUBLE.

MY QUESTION IS, WHO MANAGES THAT FUND, AND THEN WHO MANAGES THE PENSIONS? IS IT THE SAME ENTITY, OR DO WE HAVE SEPARATE FOLKS MANAGING THOSE FUNDS?

>> I BELIEVE THEY'RE SEPARATE.

>> THEY'RE SEPARATE.

>> PENSION, THEY HIRE THE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] HAVE ANY THE PENSION.

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>> GOT YOU. THANK YOU. THEY DETERMINE HOW IT'S INVESTED.

> WELL, THE BOARD DOES THAT. THEY DETERMINE WHO THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE.

>> RIGHT. I'M ASSUMING IT'S MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN.

>> BUT IF I'M CORRECT, THE RATES OF RETURN WERE ALMOST THE SAME.

I DIDN'T DO THAT WELL PERSONALLY.

>> GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW INVEST 124% INCREASE IN ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS.

OUT THERE.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

>> KEEP GOING. RIGHT THERE.

INVESTMENT EARNINGS.

CAN YOU MAYBE ELABORATE THEN ON THAT?

>> NO.

>> THAT IS ALL THE CITY GENERAL EARNINGS.

YOU'RE IN A LOT OF DEBT SECURITIES, AND SO DEPENDING ON THE MARKET, THERE CAN BE SWINGS.

THERE'S BEEN YEARS WHERE THIS HAS BEEN NEGATIVE.

THIS YEAR, IT'S POSITIVE.

>> OKAY.

>> THEN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WE HAVE A NOTE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A CALL WITH YOU LATER OR SOMETHING.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? NO. THANK YOU, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING THOSE COUPLE OF CORRECTIONS AND BEING PERFECT.

NEXT TO GO ROUND. THANK YOU.

>> NOW WE'LL PROCEED TO OUR REGULAR COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.

>> THANK YOU, GUYS.

DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY VISITORS?

>> SURE, DO.

>> OKAY.

>> DAVID BUGH.

>> RIGHT HERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. ATTORNEY MANAGER AND DONNA.

I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OF HOMEOWNERS USING RAIN BARRELS.

AMY FRANKIE GAVE AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ON RAIN BARRELS ON OUR AV EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS.

I GOT A RAIN BARREL. MY RAIN BARREL COLLECTED OVER 60 GALLONS OF RAINWATER FROM MY HOME ON THIRD STREET LAST NIGHT.

IT COLLECTED MORE JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING.

UNLIKE THE CITY-PURCHASED RAIN BARRELS AMY USED, MINE CAME ALREADY INSTALLED HOSE CONNECTION AND LEAF SCREEN AND A CONNECTION FOR HOOKING UP ADDITIONAL RAIN BARRELS, WHICH WE ARE DOING, OFFER UNDER $90.

WE USE THIS FOR OUR GARDEN, LAWN, AND LEANING THE DRIVEWAY.

THE ONLY MANUAL LABOR I HAD TO DO WAS GET THE RAIN OFF DOWN FROM MY ROOF, ONTO THE RAIN GUTTERS TO THE DOWNSPOUT AND INTO MY RAIN BARREL.

MAIN POINT HERE IS, WHY DOESN'T THE CITY PROVIDE ANY AB HOUSEHOLDS THAT WANT ONE WITH A RAIN BARREL IF THEY CHOOSE TO PICK UP ONE? NOW, AB, OVER 20 YEARS AGO, PROVIDED COMPOST BINS.

I STILL GOT ONE IN MY BACKYARD.

THEY GAVE ANYONE THAT PICKED UP ONE COULD USE IT FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE, AND WE'RE STILL USING OURS.

RAIN BARRELS COLLECT CLEAN WATER AND ALL THIS WATER CAN EASILY BE USED FOR IRRIGATION OR EMPTY WHEN IT IS NOT RAINING, INSTEAD OF GOING INTO OUR STORM DRAINS.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, RAIN BARRELS ACT LIKE SWALES, BUT ABOVE THE GROUND, SO PEOPLE CAN USE THIS WATER WHEN AND WHERE THEY WANT TO.

WE SHOULD ALSO GIVE INCENTIVES FOR AB TAXPAYERS WHO USE RAIN BARRELS.

WITH ONLY 30% OF ALL HOMEOWNERS OR HOUSEHOLDS CORRECTLY USING ONLY ONE RAIN BARREL, WE COULD PREVENT ABOUT 60,000 GALLONS OF WATER GOING INTO OUR STORM DRAINS, WHERE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GO EVERY TIME IT RAINS.

PLEASE INCLUDE RAIN BARRELS IN YOUR MASTER STORMWATER PLANT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> AMY FRANKIE.

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>> HI. I'M AMY FRANKIE.

ACTUALLY, HERE TO GIVE YOU ALL THREE QUICK UPDATES ON BEHALF OF THE ESC.

I DID NOT PLANT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

[LAUGHTER] TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL, BUT FIRST UPDATE YESTERDAY WAS OUR TREATS AND TREES GIVEAWAY HERE AT THE FARMERS MARKET, AND WE GAVE AWAY OVER 100 TREES TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT WAS A REALLY FUN EVENT.

THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I WAS ON THE VOLUNTEERING SIDE OF THE EVENT.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE HIGH COMPLIMENTS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE AN EVENT LIKE THAT HAPPEN, AND A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT, I HEAR GOES TO PUBLIC WORKS WHO HELPED US IN OFFLOADING, STORING, RELOADING, TRANSFERRING, AND DELIVERING BACK TO THE PARKING LOT ON SUNDAY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY LEFTOVER TREES WILL BE REHOMED INTO AROUND DUTTON ISLAND, JOHANNESON PARK, AND HOWELL PARK.

COMPLIMENTS TO THE CITY.

SECOND UPDATE, JUST AN INFORMATIONAL AWARENESS.

I WILL HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER SERIES NEXT THURSDAY.

HERE IN CITY CHAMBERS AT SIX O'CLOCK.

THIS WILL BE THE FINAL OF A THREE-PART SERIES.

I'VE BEEN HOSTING ALL CENTERED AROUND FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRINCIPLES.

SEPTEMBER WAS FOCUSED ON RAIN, RAIN BARRELS.

LAST MONTH WAS ON PEST CONTROL.

WE GAVE AWAY SOME MOSQUITO DUNK BUCKETS, WHICH WAS REALLY FUN, AND THIS ONE WILL BE FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT YOUR PLANTS ARE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE WHEN THEY COME HOME, AND WE'LL BE GIVING AWAY SOME BE THE CHANGE WILDFLOWER SEEDS.

THE THIRD UPDATE AND FINAL UPDATE I'LL SHARE IS THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FOCUSED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS ON REVISIONS TO CHAPTER 23 IN COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU ALL, THE COMMISSION IN THE DECEMBER TIME FRAME, I THINK, IN A WORKSHOP FORMAT.

MORE DETAILS TO COME, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO SHARE.

>> THANK YOU, MISS FRANKIE.

>> IT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

>> THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS, WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO ITEM 3,

[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

CITY MANAGER REPORTS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION.

ON THE 90-DAY REPORT, I WILL BE QUICK.

JUST A REMINDER, NOVEMBER 11, THE 27TH, AND 28TH, WE ARE OUT.

WE HAVE VETERANS DAY AND THEN THANKSGIVING.

WE ONLY HAVE THREE MEETINGS GOING FORWARD FOR THE REST OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, TWO IN NOVEMBER AND ONE IN DECEMBER.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 90-DAY CALENDAR.

>> BEFORE WE APPROVE THAT, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE MEETING ON MONDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, OR IS EVERYBODY GOOD ON THEIR CALENDARS?

>> GOOD.

>> WE'RE WOOD.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED HERE?

>> I'D LIKE TO ADD REESE ACROSS AMERICA ON 13 DECEMBER.

>> I'LL BE AT LANG REESE, ATLANTIC BEACH CEMETERY.

>> GOOD.

>> THE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE REALLY INVOLVED IN THAT.

I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO BUY A WREATH.

>> ABSOLUTELY. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE NOW AMENDED CALENDAR? HEARING, NO OBJECTION. YOU HAVE CALENDAR.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. TWO OTHER QUICK ITEMS. TODAY, I SIGNED OR ACCEPTED FORMALLY A RESIGNATION OF KATHY, OUR HR DIRECTOR.

LAST DAY WILL BE JANUARY 8TH.

YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HIRED SOMEBODY AS INTERIM, SO WE HAD A SUCCESSION PLAN.

THAT POSITION IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

I WISH KATHY THE BEST.

I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH HER.

WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MONTHS LEFT, BUT HER LAST DAY WILL BE JANUARY 8TH.

THEN WE HAVE HIRED A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, ADAM THORNTON.

HIS FIRST DAY WILL BE THIS WEDNESDAY, I BELIEVE, BUT HE'S JUST DOING PAPERWORK.

HIS FIRST REAL WORK DAY WILL BE THIS COMING MONDAY.

ADAM COMES TO US FROM SOUTH DAYTONA BEACH WHERE HE MANAGED TO TAKE A JOB JUST BEFORE A HURRICANE HIT IT AND DID A GREAT DEAL OF DAMAGE.

IF YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE, BASICALLY THE WHOLE CITY WAS FLOODED.

>> WHICH HURRICANE WAS THAT?

>> MILTON.

>> MILTON?

>> WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

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>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. LET'S JUST START WITH COMMISSIONER BOWL.

[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]

>> YEAH, I'LL BE REAL QUICK.

THAT WAS A GREAT REPORT, THAT FINANCIAL REPORT, AND I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE IF I MY FIRST JOB RELATED IN THE CITY WAS ON THE PENSION BOARD FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND THE POLICE FUND.

AT THE TIME, I GUESS AT IT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY ACTUALLY HAD AN ADVISOR PAYING ANOTHER ADVISOR.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THE NUMBERS WERE NOT WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.

THOSE GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

I THINK IF YOU'RE IN A GENERAL FUND OR POLICE FUND, YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE THEY MEET, I THINK IT'S QUARTERLY NOW, BUT THEY TRACK IT, AND I THINK THEY GOT A GREAT FUND ADVISOR.

I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY.

>> I HAVE NOTHING TONIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER RAY?

>> YES, I HAVE TWO THINGS.

ONE, THE DCPS JOINT WORKSHOP, I'M SURE, MAYOR, HAS A LOT MORE SPECIFICS TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE ABOUT THAT.

BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT WAS WELL ATTENDED, I THINK BY THREE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYORS FOR THE MOST PART.

>> THEN OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE COULD HAVE USED A LITTLE MORE HYPING UP FOR THE PUBLIC.

BUT I WAS PLEASED THAT IT'S ON THE BOOKS.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS YEARS AGO.

IT WAS HAPPY THAT I COULD SIT THERE AND WATCH THE THREE MAYORS, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSS THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR HEARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S OUR SCHOOLS.

THEY DID BRING UP ABE AND I BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THE RESOLUTION TO REZONE THAT WOULD INCLUDE WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD STUDENTS, AND DR. BERNIER DID NOT HAVE REALLY GOOD NEWS TO SHARE, BASICALLY, THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS AT HAND THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT STUDENTS ARE GOING TO NEPTUNE BEACH ELEMENTARY AND HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OUR ABE POPULATION.

I'D SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE KIDS WHO ARE WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD, ACTUALLY SCHOOL CHOICE LIKE ME INTO ABE.

I KNOW OF A LOT OF NEIGHBORS WHO DO THAT AND ARE ASKING FOR THAT REZONING.

BUT I WASN'T REALLY HAPPY OR PLEASED WITH HIS REPLY AT ALL AND THAT WAS MY BIG THORN IN MY SIDE WITH THAT ONE.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO DISCUSS WAS AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVES ON SHERRY ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM ATLANTIC BEACH ELEMENTARY, HOW FAST THE TRAFFIC GOES THERE.

I KNOW OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DID TAKE THAT NOTE OF THE PEDESTRIAN, A POSSIBLE PEDESTRIAN RAISED CROSSWALK THERE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

TWO SPOTS THAT I'M THINKING, EITHER ONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.

WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD DOUBLE AS A SPEED TABLE, BUT ALSO AS A SAFER SPOT FOR THE STUDENTS TO CROSS.

THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE WITH CROSSING AND THAT'S THAT CROSS WALK RIGHT WHERE HOWELL PARK IS, AND IT'S LIKE A BLIND DRIVEWAY THERE.

I WANTED TO BRING THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION HIGHLIGHT THAT.

I KNOW YOU WERE ALL THERE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THOSE TWO AREAS FIXED AT LEAST THE RAISE.

I KNOW WE COULDN'T HAVE A RAISED PEDESTRIAN WALK ON BOTH OF THOSE AREAS, BUT MORE AT THE ONE AT HOWELL, AND THEN THE RAISED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ABE SCHOOL.

THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SHARE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GRANT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I KNOW THAT MOST OF US ARE AWARE THAT A COMPLAINT WAS FILED REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTALS TAKING PLACE NEXT DOOR TO THEIR PROPERTY, A RESIDENT.

I JUST WANT US TO MAYBE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT TO SEE WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR ATTEMPTING TO ENFORCE IT.

I REALIZE THAT WE COUNT ON ONE HAND, HOW MANY TIMES WE ACTUALLY HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS.

BUT IF YOU'RE LIVING NEXT DOOR TO IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THAT PERSON.

IF THEY HAVE A NEW GROUP PARTYING EVERY WEEK-IN WEEK-OUT.

I'VE HEARD THINGS THAT, IT'S HARD TO ENFORCE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM THE RESIDENT THAT THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY FOR US

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TO GO AFTER THE RESIDENT IS TO HAVE A RECEIPT WITH THE AMOUNT, CONFIRMATION OF PAYMENT, AND THE ADDRESS OF THE OFFENDING PARTY ON THAT RECEIPT.

BUT I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, EXCUSE ME, WE CAN DO MORE THAN THAT.

BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, MAYBE, I'M SURE WE COULD GET CITY ATTORNEY TO WRITE SOME LETTERS OF THREAT OR URGEMENT, IS NOT EVEN THAT A WORD, URGING THE PARTY TO COMPLY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE.

IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT, WE NEED TO MAYBE MODIFY IT.

THE OTHER THING IS, THE ATLANTA BEACH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION, THE LITTLE LEAGUE, GOT CONFIRMATION FROM THEM TODAY THAT THEY DID GET THE LETTER, I GUESS THAT BILL YOU SENT.

THAT HE SO HE FINALLY GOT HIS AUDIT DONE AND SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING TURNED IN THIS WEEK, IF NOT MAYBE TOMORROW.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE OFF ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND ITEM IT WAS.

>> THE AIRBNB.

>> COULD YOU DO A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THAT NEXT MEETING? IT MAY GO VERY SHORT. FIRST OF ALL.

>> ENFORCING.

>> WELL, NOT JUST YES, ENFORCING, BUT IT OCCURS TO ME THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU TAG SOMEBODY FOR AN AIRBNB OR NOT OR SHORT TERM RENTAL.

IF IT'S A PROBLEM TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE OF NOISE AND PARTY, AND SO ON, THAT'S ALREADY ENFORCEABLE WITHOUT HAVING ANY SPECIAL ORDINANCE AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR A SHORT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE FIT IN ON THAT.

I ACTUALLY SPENT SOME TIME TALKING TO OUR OTHER MAYORS OVER THE OF LAST WEEK ABOUT THE ISSUE, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

JACKSONVILLE BEACH IS A DESTINATION CITY WITH A LOT OF THAT, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE PROTECTIVE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH SAYS 90 DAYS OR GREATER THAN 90 DAYS.

ANYWAYS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ON THAT. YES, COMMISSIONER.

>> I MEAN, ISN'T IT ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN GO ON THE AIRBNB WEBSITE AND SEE THEM ADVERTISED? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT ENOUGH TO GENERATE A LETTER, AT LEAST?

>> THE COMPLAINT WAS FOR A PARTICULAR ADDRESS, AND THAT ADDRESS WAS NOT.

>> COULD BE.

>> OH, IT WASN'T LISTED ON THE WEBSITE.

>> EVEN STILL, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS WHEN YOU SEE THAT THEY'LL POP UP AND THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE VICINITY AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ADDRESS, A SIMPLE, "HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSE GONZALEZ.

I'M THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN ATLANTIC BEACH.

NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT OUR ORDINANCE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, X, Y, Z, AND BE DONE WITH IT, THAT WOULD AT LEAST TO TEAR THESE FROM POPPING UP AS SOON AS YOU DO IT." AS SOON AS YOU SEE IT, IF HE WENT ON QUARTERLY, THAT WOULD AT LEAST TO TEAR THEM FROM ENCOURAGEMENT.

>> LET'S GET INTO A DEEPER CONVERSATION.

COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR USING SOMETHING I OFTEN SAY, AND THAT IS, IF A CODE IS WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH ENFORCING, AND IF IT'S NOT WORTH ENFORCING, IT'S WORTH GETTING RID OF.

I DON'T WANT TO GO THAT FAR, BUT THE POINT IS, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER RING, YOU BROUGHT UP THE CROSSWALKS AND THE TRAFFIC CALMING ON SHERRY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY REQUEST AND WITH CONSENSUS FROM THIS COMMISSION.

THAT THE CITY MANAGER BRING BACK A PLAN AND NOT ONE THAT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO DEVELOP, BUT A PLAN TO INSTALL A CROSSWALK.

I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE THAT WE INSTALL A CROSS WALK WITH FLASHING LIGHTS AT THE ENTRANCE TO HOWELL PARK, WHICH IS NOT DIRECTLY AT A STREET END.

IS IT RIGHT AT THE STREET END OR IS IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE?

>> CROSSWALK. IT IS WHERE YOU CROSS OVER?

>> THERE IS A CROSSWALK, BUT THERE IT DOESN'T FLASH.

>> WELL, YEAH, WHAT COMMISSIONER RING BROUGHT UP, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TO RESEARCH, AND CHIEF VIC WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY HERE, BUT A RAISED CROSSWALK, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE CALL A TABLE, WHICH MAJIGGER TABLE, BUT A RAISED AREA, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST THE FLASHING LIGHTS.

JUST BRING US SOMETHING FAIRLY QUICKLY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND NOT SIX MONTHS LATER?

>> I BELIEVE THE CHIEF IS WORKING ON A GATHERING THE TRAFFIC DATA NOW.

>> GOOD. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE CITIZEN WHO BROUGHT THAT UP.

I THINK IT WAS LISA HAROLD, SHE LIVES ON SHERRY,

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AND SHE'S NOTICED NOT ONLY JUST AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

THERE SEEMS TO BE IN HER MIND, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D LOVE TO KNOW IF THEY'RE REALLY DOING THIS, BUT SHE CONTENDS THAT THEY'RE COMING DOWN SHERRY, GOING DOWN PLAZA, CUTTING OVER TO MAYPORT ROAD, INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN ATLANTIC TO MAYPORT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD REALLY WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD TAKE THEM MORE TIME.

BUT MORE TRAFFIC ON SHERRY AND THE TRAFFIC IS GOING FASTER, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON SHERRY, WE NEED TO BE SPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

>> WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SPEED DURING SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE BOTTLE NECK.

THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A NATURAL CALMING DEVICE. THE BOTTLENECK.

>> BUT ANY CASE.

>> WE'LL GET THE COMMISSION THE TRAFFIC DATA AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

IS THERE A PERCEIVED PROBLEM OR IS THERE AN ACTUAL ACCOUNT PROBLEM AND THEN WHAT TYPES OF RESOLUTIONS WE CAN MANUFACTURE?

>> THANKS. THEN I JUST WANT TO FINISH UP WITH THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE DUVAL COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

IT TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THAT MEETING.

THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP, COMMISSIONER.

IT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO A YEAR.

THIS MEETING WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

IT CERTAINLY IS ALWAYS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT WAS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE IT WAS TREATED AS A WORKSHOP, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS BEEN DOING FOR YEARS WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE COUNCIL.

HOWEVER, IT GOT SIDEWAYS BECAUSE I HAD SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE BOARD TO MAKE THIS AN OPEN MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT'S WHY I REQUESTED THE FLETCHER AUDITORIUM IS THE LOCATION.

THE COMPROMISE, SINCE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ORGANIZED, IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING EARLY IN 2026, PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY, MAYBE EVEN IN LATE JANUARY, AND THAT WILL BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THEN THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY GEN IT UP AND GET OUR RESIDENTS TO SHOW UP, EVEN THOUGH MANY OF THEM WILL JUST SHOW UP AND LISTEN.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HEARD SOME INTERESTING THINGS.

THE MOST ALARMING THING THAT WE HEARD AT THIS MEETING AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS, BUT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED ON THIS LAST SESSION THAT UNUTILIZED FACILITY SPACE IN ANY PUBLIC SCHOOL CAN BE REQUESTED TO BE USED BY A CHARTER SCHOOL AT NO CHARGE.

IF YOU'VE GOT, LET'S SAY, AN UNDER UTILIZED SCHOOL THAT'S ONLY AT 60% OF THE USE, 40% COULD BE GIVEN TO A CHARTER SCHOOL AT NO CHARGE.

IS THAT GOOD FEE? PARDON?

>> NO CHARGE.

>> AT NO CHARGE. I BRING THAT UP JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE BECAUSE THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE OUT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY MEETING.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

I THOUGHT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND DR. BERNIER, I THINK THEY CAME PREPARED.

I THINK THEY OFFERED SOME INTERESTING DATA AND SO ON CERTAINLY BERNIER KNEW HIS NUMBERS.

IT IS CLEAR THE MARCH CONTINUES, AND HE WON'T COMMIT THAT IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF THE MATH ON HOW MANY STUDENTS PER FACILITY.

WHEN I ASKED, IS IT 600 OR 650 MINIMUM.

HE ACTUALLY RAISED THE NUMBER ON ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS OR WE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IT IS LIKELY WE ARE CLOSING, IF NOT ANCHOR ACADEMY.

WE'RE CLOSING ONE OF THE TWO OR CONSOLIDATING ONE INTO THE OTHER, THAT'S ANCHOR ACADEMY AND MAYPORT ELEMENTARY.

MY BELIEF IS THAT THEY WILL CLOSE OR THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF ANCHOR ACADEMY, CONSOLIDATING INTO MAYPORT ELEMENTARY. WOULD YOU AGREE?

>> YEAH, I THINK.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE BEST GUESS IS.

ANYWAYS, IT'S A GOOD START, AND I TELL YOU WHY, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESS ON THIS.

AS LONG AS I'M MAYOR, I'M GOING TO KEEP PRESSING BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE A CRISIS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PERCEIVED CRISIS TODAY, BUT IF YOU'LL REMEMBER OVER A YEAR AGO WHEN THE CRISIS CAME ON THE UNKNOWN SHORTFALL ON THEIR BUDGET BY, HOWEVER, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND THEN THE TALK ABOUT CLOSING AND CONSOLIDATING, WE WERE TAKEN BY SURPRISE.

WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN REQUESTING COMPLIANCE WITH.

WE DO KNOW THAT, SO WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THESE MEETINGS GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN POSITION TO RESPOND RAPIDLY AND TO HAVE THEM IN OUR COURT.

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SPECIFICALLY, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, AND EVERYBODY HELPED BACK ME ON THIS IS THIS HAS TO BE A MEETING SPECIFIC TO THE BEACHES.

THIS IS NOT ANOTHER GENERAL SCHOOL BOARD MEETING IN TOWN IN THEIR BUILDING.

IT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED AT THE BEACH FOR THE BEACHES.

IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE ONE OF OUR SISTER CITIES IS BALDWIN, WHICH IS IN THE WEST.

I'D HATE TO SEE THEM HAVE TO COME TO THE B. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THEY DID ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO INCLUDE THEM. THEY INVITED THEM.

THAT'S MY SHORT REPORT ON THAT, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR AGENDA.

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

WE ARE ON ITEM 6.

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORUM LISTED BELOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. THESE ITEMS ARE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-85, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-86, 25-87, AND 25-89.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ANY OF THESE FROM CONSENT IN ORDER TO DISCUSS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 6A THROUGH 6D AS WRITTEN.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> AYE [OVERLAPPING]

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 8A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-90,

[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-90]

RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF $33,334.40 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF WATER SERVICES ON GARDEN LANE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> WELL, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WE HAD PREVIOUSLY COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL TO SIGN A CONTRACT.

IN PREPPING THE CONTRACT FOR SIGNATURE, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT PART OF THEIR QUOTE WAS MISCALCULATED.

THAT PORTION IN THE CHANGE ORDER PLUS A 10% CONTINGENCY WAS $33,334.40.

THEY WERE STILL EVEN WITH THAT, THEY WERE STILL BE LOW BIDDER.

STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT WE MEND THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.

THE BUDGET IS AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACCOUNT FOR PROJECT PU2512 IN THE AMOUNT OF $275,000.

THE CORRECTED TOTAL WOULD BE $124,698.97.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION 2590.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2590.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND DISCUSSION.

>> MR. KILLINGSWORTH, JUST CURIOUS, THAT'S NOT THAT OLD OF THE COMMUNITY.

IS THIS AN ABERRATION TO REPLACE WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT WENT WRONG WITH THE BUILDER SYSTEM THERE?

>> THE PIPE, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE CHANGING OUT.

I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WAS A PLANNED CIP PROJECT THAT WE BUDGETED FOR AND HAD ON OUR LIST OF CIP PROJECTS.

>> ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'LL MOBILIZE ON THAT?

>> AS SOON AS WE GET THE CONTRACT SIGNED OUT.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> AYE [OVERLAPPING]

>> OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

MOVING TO 8B RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-91,

[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 25-91]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ADOPTING A REVISED PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST POLICY, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. PRIOR TO ME STARTING, THE COMMISSION HAD APPROPRIATED $25,000 TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR A RECORD AND MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT.

>> LAST YEAR, WE HIRED THE CONSULTANT.

THE CONSULTANT HAS MADE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF RETENTION POLICIES AND PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS.

THIS WOULD BE AN ADOPTION OF OUR TAKE ON HIS RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

I'LL LET DONNA SPEAK TO THAT, BUT STAFFORD RECOMMENDS THAT YOU APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-91.

>> RECOMMEND WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-91.

>> I'LL JUST ASK YOU DONNA, THE RECOMMENDATIONS,

>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

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I'M SURE THIS IS ALL WITHIN FLORIDA CODE.

>> RECORDS REQUESTS ARE VERY, VERY SPECIFIC.

>> DISCUSSION?

>> YES. DONNA, CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTLY THE DIFFERENCE, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT SOMEBODY TODAY APPROACHING THE CITY ASKING FOR PUBLIC RECORDS? HOW WILL THEIR EXPERIENCE BE IMPACTED?

>> DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE DO IT NOW?

>> CORRECT.

>> THE PROPOSED POLICY REALLY JUST PUTS A LOT OF THE GENERAL RULES IN IT IF IT'S DEFINITIONS, THE POLICY THAT WE HAD BEFORE WAS MORE LIKE PROCEDURE.

I CALLED IT A POLICY, BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID PROCEDURE.

THE BIG THING THAT WOULD AFFECT THE CITIZENS WOULD BE THE LABOR CHARGES.

HOW IT IS NOW, WE WOULD CHARGE, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT LABOR CHARGES FOR A REQUEST THAT WOULD TAKE 15 MINUTES OR MORE, WE WOULD THEN START CHARGING.

THE PROPOSED WOULD BE 30 MINUTES OR MORE.

THEN THAT'S CONSIDERED EXCESSIVE, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE CHARGE THEM.

THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE.

BEFORE FOR THOSE TYPE OF CHARGES, THERE WOULD BE A PREPAYMENT ON ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ESTIMATED AT $100 OR MORE.

MY PROPOSAL IS 75% DEPOSIT FOR ESTIMATES OVER 50.

BEFORE WE START PREPARING THE RECORDS, WE HAVE THEM ACCEPT THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> OKAY. HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH ESTIMATES, I GUESS? DO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO GO? WHAT DRIVES YOUR FEES IN TERMS OF HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE, I GUESS?

>> JUST REALLY HOW MUCH TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO IT.

SOME PEOPLE WANT PHOTOCOPIES, SOME FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REDACT FROM, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THAT WHEN YOU ESTIMATE TIME?

>> ARE YOU EMAILING OR DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE HARD COPIES?

>> NO. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT A HARD COPY.

IF WE HAVE IT ELECTRONIC, THEN IT'S A LOT LESS.

>> IT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. JUST AS LONG AS WE HAVE.

BECAUSE I REACHED OUT TO A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTIVE IN THIS COMING TO YOU FOR RECORDS, AND I THINK THE MAIN THING WAS THEY DIDN'T REALLY OBJECT TO ANY OF THIS, JUST MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND, BE VERY CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT HOW YOU COME UP WITH YOUR FEES AND APPLY THEM, ETC.

>> YEAH. ON THE INVOICE WE SPELL IT OUT FOR THEM.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL START WITH WHAT'S PROVIDED AND IF IT'S COPIES, WE'LL SAY X AMOUNT OF PAGES AT SUCH AND SUCH AN AMOUNT, WHICH BRINGS UP MY NEXT POINT, THOSE TYPE OF FEES, LIKE COPY CHARGES, IS GOING TO NEED TO BE UPDATED IN OUR CITY CODE IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S LESS THAN WHAT THE STATUTE ALLOWS AND IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED IN SO MANY YEARS, AND I THINK THE COST OF PAPER AND INK IS WAY MORE, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST POINT TO THE SAME THING THAT THE FLORIDA STATUTE ALLOWS YOU TO CHARGE, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW OUR FEES ARE ESTABLISHED.

>> JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, MY SUGGESTION TO THAT, I KNOW MAYBE GOING OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS BILL WOULD BE TO JUST DEFER TO FLORIDA STATUTE OR FLORIDA LAW?

>> BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN STATE LAW AND ORDINANCE CODE.

>> I'M HOPING TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU ON THAT THE CITY MANAGER MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS HE WANTS TO CHANGE ON THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE CODE, SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE CAN JUST MAKE IT ALL IN THAT.

>> JUST ONE LAST QUICK THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO COACH UP THE PERSON REQUESTING THE RECORD, SAY, LOOK, YOU COULD SAVE A LOT OF FEES IF YOU TAKE AN EMAIL VERSUS ALL THIS PAPER, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT?

>> YES. A LOT OF TIMES IF SOMEBODY ASKED FOR A COPY, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY, WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY, WE WILL TRY TO SAVE THEM BY SCANNING IT.

>> SURE. YEAH.

>> IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY GOT AROUND TO SCANNING ANYWAY, WE DEFINITELY WOULD MAKE THAT OFFER TO THEM.

THEN SAY THEY ASKED FOR A REALLY BROAD THING,

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WE CAN'T MAKE THEM CHANGE THEIR RECORDS REQUEST.

BUT SOMETIMES JUST CLARIFYING WHAT THEY WANT AND SOMETIMES IT'S A CONVERSATION RATHER THAN AN EMAIL, THEN THEY USUALLY MAKE IT A LESS BROAD THING.

YEAH, WE TRY ALL THOSE TECHNIQUES TO SAVE THEM.

>> THANK YOU, DONNA.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 8C, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-92,

[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 25-92]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THE REPAIRS OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT NUMBER 2 GENERATOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION IN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU. WATER PLANT TREATMENT 2, THE 400 KILOWATT GENERATOR FAILED THERE.

WE GOT A QUOTE OF $25,762 IN ORDER TO REPAIR IT.

THIS IS REALLY MOSTLY A FUNCTION OF TIMING.

I COULD HAVE DONE AN EMERGENCY PURCHASE ORDER AND NOTIFIED YOU IF I HAD THE AUTHORITY TO GO TO 25,000.

IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, I CAN GO OVER 25,000, BUT THEN I HAVE TO REPORT IT AT THE COMMISSION MEETING.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK IT FRIDAY, AND THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA.

ACTUALLY, I THINK THE NEXT ONE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA.

BUT WE TOOK IT SO THAT IT WOULD COME HERE AND BE TRANSPARENT.

IT COSTS US ROUGHLY $10,000 A MONTH.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR THERE AS A BACKUP THAT WE'RE RENTING, SO WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS ONE REPAIRED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT YOU APPROVE 25-92 IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,762.

>> RECOMMEND WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 25-92.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> NAY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 8D, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-93,

[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 25-93]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE EAST COAST DRIVE EMERGENCY ORANGEBURG PIPE REPLACEMENT PROJECT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU. THIS WAS ALSO A LAST MINUTE EMERGENCY.

WE HAD A 60 FEET OF ORANGEBURG PIPE COLLAPSE, IT'S A TEN INCH STORM WATER PIPE.

IT'S OLD STYLE PIPE, THE CLAY ONES, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF.

THE QUOTE CAME BACK FOR 25,000 JUST UNDER MY AUTHORITY, IT WAS JUST UNDER $25,000 FOR 60 LINEAR FEET.

I ASKED RICK WHAT'S THE FULL EXTENT THERE? THE FULL EXTENT WAS 220 LINEAR FEET AND THE QUOTE FOR THAT WAS $37,739.

NOW, WHEN WE WENT IN THERE TO TEAR UP THE 60 FEET, WE WERE GOING TO TEAR UP PROBABLY ANOTHER TEN FEET TRYING TO DO IT, AND IT'S ALL THE SAME AGE PIPE.

I TOLD RICK TO GET ME A RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU.

WE AMENDED THE AGENDA AND GOT THIS ON FRIDAY EVENING.

THE POINT BEING THAT FOR BASICALLY A 50% UPCHARGE, I CAN GET 220 FEET OF PIPE REPLACED RATHER THAN JUST 60 FEET OF PIPE.

THE VALUE WAS THERE, IT DIDN'T COST US ANYTHING OTHER THAN AMENDED AGENDA.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE FUND.

THERE'S CURRENTLY 436,437 BUDGET IN THAT ACCOUNT.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 25-93 AUTHORIZING CONTRACT WITH GROOMMAY TO COMPLETE THE EMERGENCY ORANGEBURG PIPE FACE REPLACEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,739.50 AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT.

>> RECOMMEND WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 25-93.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

BY THE WAY, I'M AGREEING THAT THAT'S A MOTION, BUT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THINGS SO IF YOU'LL JUST SAY I MOVE IT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

8D, WAIT A SECOND, IS THAT IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THIS IS NOT IT.

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>> THANK YOU. IT'S EASY.

9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-25-127,

[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 95-25-127, Public Hearing and Final Reading]

PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 18 SOLICITATIONS, SECTION 18-1, DEFINITIONS TO MODIFY EXISTING DEFINITIONS.

SECTION 18-2, PERMITS, REGISTRATION, AND FINGERPRINTING REQUIRED TO REQUIRE DUVAL COUNTY CLERK OF COURT'S PERMIT PRIOR TO SUBMISSION, SECTION 18-8, EXCEPTIONS, SECTION 18-9, PENALTIES, TO CLARIFY THIS PROCESS, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL CAME UP AND ASKED FOR A SOLICITATION PERMIT.

AS IT TURNS OUT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE CODE THAT DOES THAT, BUT THE CITY HAD NEVER IMPLEMENTED IT, THAT SECTION OF IT AND YET THE CODE WAS WRITTEN QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

WHEN LOOKING AT THE CODE, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT I THINK THE STATUTE HAD CHANGED OVER TIME AND OUR CODE WAS NO LONGER, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WAS OBSOLETE, BUT IT WASN'T COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL.

A STATUTE REQUIRES THAT THEY GET THAT YOU HAVE TO GET A COUNTY SOLICITATION PERMIT.

IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM REQUIRING ONE.

BUT RATHER THAN US DOING THE FINGERPRINTING AND THE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES THAT COME WITH THAT, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO REQUIRE THEM TO GET ONE FROM THE COUNTY AND HAVE THE COUNTY DO ALL OF THAT IN THE JACKSONVILLE, AND THEN PRESENT US WHETHER THEY'RE VALID SOLICITATION PERMIT AND THE CURRENT VALID BUSINESS PASS RECEIPT, AND THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD ESSENTIALLY GENERATE A SOLICITATION PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

THAT PERMIT, THE TERM FOR THAT WOULD CO-EXIST WITH THE SAME TIME FRAME AS THE COUNTY PERMIT, SO WHEN THE COUNTY PERMIT EXPIRED, YOUR LOCAL PERMIT WOULD EXPIRE.

THE ONE THING WE DID ADD IN THERE IS IF YOU'RE GETTING A SOLICITATION PERMIT FOR TREE SERVICES, THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CITY'S CERTIFIED TREE PROGRAM, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND PASS THAT JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT OUR TREE LAWS ARE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SOLICIT YOUR SERVICES HERE IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.

WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR STAFFORD RECOMMEND ACCRUAL ORDINANCE 95-25-127.

I BELIEVE KEVIN'S HERE IF I CAN'T ANSWER A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

>> AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAK REGARDS?

>> YES, SIR.

>> HEARING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-25-127.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION.

>> I GOT A QUESTION.

>> BILL, WHAT'S THE PENALTY FOR SOLICITING, FOR DOING A SOLICIT IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> UNLESS THEY VIOLATE WITHOUT A PERMIT.

>> WHERE DID WE END UP ON THAT SERVICE?

>> IT'S AN ORDINANCE VIOLATION WHICH WOULD BE FINE OF UP TO $500.

>> THANKS.

>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YOU CALL THE COPS AND THEY COME GIVE THEM A TICKET?

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW YOU DO IT.

THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS IN THERE, SO LIKE CHURCHES AND BOY SCOUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY'RE STATUTORILY EXEMPT, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FULLER BRUSH MAN, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE BROWNIES.

>> IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.

>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

10A. CHARTER OFFICER FISCAL YEAR '24/'25 PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.

[10.A. Charter Officer FY 24-25 Performance Reviews]

DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HOGAN CAMP, WILL YOU REPORT, PLEASE?

>> HI, KEVIN HOGANCAMP, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

I ENCOURAGED THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ANNUAL PROCESS, EACH OF YOU DID AND YOUR RESPONSES ARE IN THE AGENDA PACK?

>> OKAY. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE PRESENTED PERFORMANCE REVIEWS?

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