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>> WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS,
[CALL TO ORDER]
CITY STAFF, GUESTS, HAPPY TO SEE YOU TONIGHT.NOW, IF YOU COULD TONE IT DOWN A LITTLE, YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY BROKERS BACK THERE.
I'M GETTING AHEAD ON THIS, I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
ANYWAYS, WELCOME TO OUR MEETING.
BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING WE ALWAYS START WITH A INVOCATION AND PLEDGE.
IF YOU'LL RISE WITH ME, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
GREAT GOD IN HEAVEN, THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF THIS DAY, THE ABILITY TO COME TOGETHER AND DO THE WORK OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS.
GIVE US DISCERNING HEARTS AND WISDOM TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, GOOD CHOICES TONIGHT.
WE ASK THIS IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN.
IF YOU'LL JOIN ME ON THE PLEDGE.
>> THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DATED NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025 WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
LET'S SEE. LET'S START WITH THE ROLL CALL, DONNA.
>> PRESENT. WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES,
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
STARTING WITH 1A, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE COMMISSION WORKSHOP, HELD ON OCTOBER 27, 2025.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, CHANGES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED.
ITEM 1B, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 27, 2025.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THEY STAND AS SUBMITTED.
NOW WE MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
BEFORE WE GO TO REGULAR VISITORS, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON ERIC WILLIAMS. ERIC, WOULD YOU STAND UP? WHERE DID YOU PUT IT?>> NO, IT WAS RIGHT THERE. THE PEN TOO? ERIC, WE HAVE A SPECIAL PLAQUE FOR YOU TODAY, I'M GOING TO BRING IT DOWN.
YOU JUST STAY RIGHT THERE, BUT WE JUST WANT TO CELEBRATE YOU AND YOUR 20 YEARS OF SERVICE.
WITH GRATITUDE, WE THANK ERIC WILLIAMS FOR HIS DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.
I AS MAYOR FORD HAVE SIGNED THIS, AND MR. KILLINGSWORTH, OUR CITY MANAGER, HAS ALSO SIGNED IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] TAKE PICTURES AND I'LL [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO STICK HIM IF YOU NEED TO.
[LAUGHTER] THAT WAS YOURS JUST THERE. [BACKGROUND]
PLEASE BARE WITH ME, ONE MORE [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, BOTH OF YOU.
>> KEVIN, TURN THEM AROUND AND YOU COME UP HERE.
Y'ALL JUST TURN AROUND AND YOU CAN TAKE THE WHOLE FAMILY.
[BACKGROUND] SORRY, IT'S JUST THEY'RE ALL THERE. [LAUGHTER]
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>> [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE OF PICTURES.
THEY'LL SEE MY FACE TO BE IN THE PICTURE.
[OVERLAPPING] CAN YOU SEE THAT, JASON? [BACKGROUND]
>> ON PURPOSE? EXCELLENT. [BACKGROUND] SORRY, THAT'S JUST THE RIGHT THERE.
>> THERE WE GO. YOU'RE READY EVERYBODY? ONE, TWO, THREE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. [BACKGROUND]
>> NOW, BY THE WAY, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO COME AND VISIT AND STAY AND LISTEN, BUT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO STAY AND LISTEN FOR THE NEXT HOUR AND A HALF.
AT ANY TIME, IF YOU WISH TO GO, THERE'S A BASEBALL GAME GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE PARK.
>> MR. WILLIAMS, IS THERE A PARTY AT YOUR HOUSE TONIGHT? [LAUGHTER]
>> MR. BOLE, I THINK YOU MADE A BAD DECISION ON THAT.
WORLD'S FULL OF BAD DECISIONS.
[LAUGHTER] AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP REGULAR COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS.
>> GOOD EVENING. BRUCE ANDREWS, 328 11TH STREET.
I'M HERE TONIGHT PRIMARILY TO LISTEN, REPRESENTING THE ESC.
I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO ALL THE COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM THE ESC TO LISTEN AND REPORT BACK.
>> JUST COULDN'T COME AND NOT SAY SOMETHING.
JUST WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL, THANK STAFF, CITY MANAGER, AND OUR DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN HELPING PROTECT AND GROW OUR TREE CANOPY.
WE HAD A GIVE AWAY A COUPLE SUNDAYS AGO, 150 TREES, OAKS, CEDARS, AND YAUPON HOLLIES.
WE GAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER VARIETY THIS YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CANOPY QUICKLY.
WANTED TO JUST GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO AMY FRANKIE, WHO'S ONE OF OUR NEWER ESC MEMBERS WHO AS PART OF OUR SPEAKER SERIES, DID A FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRESENTATION THAT HAD A GOOD TURNOUT AND PARTICIPATION, AND THEY HAD SOME YARD REVIEW PROGRAM WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT PEOPLE'S YARDS AND HELP COUNSEL THEM IF THEY WANT TO BECOME MORE FLORIDA FRIENDLY.
THEY HAD 14 PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 23 RELATIVE TO TREES THAT STAFF AND THE ESC HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK WE'RE FINALLY AT THE POINT WHERE HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL BE SEEING THOSE SOON.
BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY, WE HAD A GREAT SUCCESSFUL TOUR OF HOMES THROUGHOUT ATLANTIC BEACH THIS PAST SATURDAY.
PEOPLE LOVE IT AND IT MAKES GOOD MONEY THAT WE CAN THEN PUT BACK INTO THE TOWN CENTER.
IN THAT REGARD, THE TREE LIGHTS WILL GO ON, IF ALL GOES WELL A WEEK FROM THIS FRIDAY, SO THE FRIDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, NOVEMBER 21.
THEN WE HAVE THE BIG TREE LIGHTING EVENT WITH SANTA CLAUS THAT
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OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT HELPS PUT ON ALONG WITH THE AGENCY, AND THAT'LL BE ON SATURDAY DECEMBER 6.THAT'S SANTA COMING IN HIS HORSE-DRAWN SLEIGH AND ALL THE LITTLE DANCERS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.I KNOW THE MAYOR WILL BE THERE AND PROBABLY SEE SOME OTHERS THERE AS WELL.
AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
>> IT'S PRETTY TAME, BUT THANK YOU, MR. ANDREWS.
>> THEN WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, AND WE'LL MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION.
WE HAVE THE 90-DAY CALENDAR BEFORE YOU.
WE ARE ENTERING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, SO WE HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS LEFT THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THAT I THINK THE BIG THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT IS TOMORROW AS VETERANS DAY.
THERE IS A EVENT AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.
THEN THE 27TH AND 28TH IS THANKSGIVING.
I GUESS WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 90-DAY CALENDAR.
>> WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT, COMMISSIONERS? YOU'D HAVE YOUR CALENDAR.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. IF WE CAN ASK RICK TO COME ON UP.
AS THE COMMISSION IS AWARE, WE WENT THROUGH A LITTLE TURMOIL, BUT FORTUNATELY RICK STEPPED UP, I THINK THE MONDAY AFTER AND AGREED TO SUPPORT US.
WHAT THAT MEANT WAS WITH HIS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY, WE DIDN'T SKIP A BIT.
HE'S IRREPLACEABLE, BUT WE HAVE HIRED A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND RICK HAS AGREED TO HANG ON FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, TILL ADAM GETS HIS FEET UNDERNEATH HIM, AND THEN BE AVAILABLE AS NEEDED.
I'M NOT SURE HIS WIFE IS HAPPY THAT I'M SENDING HIM BACK [OVERLAPPING].
I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, AND I THINK THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, TOO.
>> IF YOU'LL JUST HANG WITH ME RIGHT THERE, IT WOULD BE FINE.
COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN FOR ALL GROUP PICTURE ON THIS, BUT WE HAVE A PLAQUE OR A FRAMED EXCELLENCE AND SERVICE RECOGNITION, AND IT READS RICK CARPER IN PROFOUND APPRECIATION FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE AND SUPERIOR DEDICATION AS INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
YOUR COMMITMENT TO MAINTAINING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS DURING YOUR TENURE HAS LEFT A LASTING POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, SIGNED BY ME AND YOUR SOON-TO-BE FORMER BOSS, MR. KILLINGSWORTH, AND I JUST CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I'D LIKE TO COME DOWN AND [INAUDIBLE] TRY TO FILL THE ROOM, THE CEREMONY.
>> I SEE THAT. ACTUALLY, APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FOR STEPPING UP.
I DON'T KNOW, MR. KILLINGSWORTH SAID HE DID IT WILLINGLY AND SO ON.
I THINK THERE WAS EXTORTION INVOLVED.
THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S EXTORTION.
PHOTOS. YOU HOLD THE PLAQUE BECAUSE IT'S YOURS, AND WE GET ONE. [BACKGROUND] DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
>> OF COURSE, I DO. [BACKGROUND] I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU, BRUCE. [LAUGHTER]
>> I'VE NEVER KNOWN RICK NOT TO HAVE COMMENTS. [LAUGHTER]
>> SOMETIMES WHEN THEY'RE NOT NEEDED OR DESIRED.
>> FIRST, DOES IT INVOLVE STORMWATER? JUST KIDDING.
>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW. I WANT TO SAY THAT MY TIME HERE, IT FELT LIKE PUTTING ON AN OLD PAIR OF SHOES.
I WALKED IN, AND I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE STAFF AT PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY WERE AWESOME. MATT KRUG IS A SUPERSTAR.
CHRIS IS JUST THE BEST GATEKEEPER IN THE WORLD, MAYBE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE COMMISSION, SINCE I'M LOOKING AT YOU ALL RIGHT NOW, ONE THING, PLEASE, YOU HAVE A PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF. THEY REALLY ARE A SHARP GROUP OF PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, RICK. MR. KILLINGSWORTH, ITEM 3C.
>> JUST IN THAT SAME VEIN, THOUGH,
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IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE A ONE ON ONE MEETING WITH ADAM THORNTON, THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, JUST SEND ME A TEXT AND I'LL GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED.3C IS RESIDENTIAL PARKING AND AMANDA IS GOING TO DO A QUICK LITTLE PRESENTATION.
YOU MAY REMEMBER IT WAS ABOUT THE TIME I FIRST STARTED.
THERE WAS SOMEBODY COMPLAINING ABOUT PARKING IN THE ROYAL PALMS AREA.
WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT, THE HOMES THERE WERE BUILT AT A TIME IN WHICH THE MAN OF THE HOUSE WAS THE ONLY WORKING ADULT.
THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE CAR, AND THE HOMES WERE BUILT WITH THAT CONTEXT.
NOW WE HAVE A WORKING HUSBAND AND A WORKING WIFE, AND IF THEY HAVE TWO TEENAGERS, THEY PROBABLY BOTH HAVE CARS.
IF YOU NOW HAVE THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY, YOU HAVE FOUR CARS.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE FRANKLY, JUST WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT.
HAVING SAID THAT, I LIVE THERE NOW.
I DO SEE EXAMPLES IN WHICH I THINK PEOPLE ARE POTENTIALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT.
AMANDA IS GOING TO SHOW SOME PICTURES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, AND THEN I'M GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO UNLESS YOU TELL ME NOT TO.
>> GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASKEW, THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT.
AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A FEW PHOTOS IN AND AROUND THE ROYAL PALMS AREA, BUT THIS COULD TRANSLATE INTO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT JUST NECESSARILY THE ROYAL PALMS AREA.
WE DO HAVE A SECTION OF THE CODE 24-161 (4) THAT IS SPECIFIC TO PARKING FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
SPECIFICALLY, IT SAYS THAT PARKING SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN PAVED OR STABILIZED DRIVEWAYS, PRIVATE GARAGES, OR CARPORTS, OR SUCH AREAS INTENDED FOR THE DAY TO DAY PARKING OF VEHICLES.
VEHICLES SHALL NOT BE ROUTINELY PARKED WITHIN THE GRASS OR LANDSCAPE AREAS OF A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
THAT'S IN OUR EXISTING ZONING CODE TODAY.
AGAIN, THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL.
TRADITIONALLY, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A SINGLE-CAR NEIGHBORHOOD BUILT WITH DRIVEWAY GOING UP.
OFTENTIMES NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CAR PORTS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO AN OUTDOOR PORCH OR EVEN LIVING SPACE.
THERE IS LIMITED AREA FOR VEHICLES TO PARK.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL HARD SURFACES.
WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ADD.
>> WHATEVER DIRECTION WE GO, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EQUITY AND CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AND ENFORCEMENT.
WE DO HAVE A SECTION 21-17, WHICH TELLS YOU WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T PARK ON CERTAIN STREETS.
THE AREAS OUTLINED IN YELLOW, YOU CAN'T PARK ON THOSE ON THE PAVEMENT AND THEN THE AREAS SHOWN IN BLUE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE UNPAVED PORTIONS OF CERTAIN STREETS.
THESE ARE TYPICALLY THE BUSIER THOROUGHFARES THAT YOU WOULD BE BLOCKING TRAFFIC.
IT DOES HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THREE CARS THAT ARE PARKED ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THIS PICTURE SHOWS CARS PARKED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, ON THE GRASSY AREA HERE AND THEN ACTUALLY ON THE DRIVEWAY AND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S ROUTINELY PARKED ON, BUT AGAIN, IT SHOWS THAT ONE CAR WITH GOING UP TO THAT ONE IS AN ENCLOSED GARAGE.
THIS PERSON ACTUALLY IS WITHIN COMPLIANCE.
YOU CAN TELL THEY HAD ONE CAR OR ONE WIDTH DRIVEWAY AND AS THEY'VE GOTTEN VEHICLES, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ADDED TO THE CONCRETE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, SO THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE.
THIS PERSON LOOKS LIKE THEY ROUTINELY PARK, GRASS LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT GROWING HERE, BUT TECHNICALLY A STABILIZED SURFACE COULD BE ROCKS OR IT COULD BE MULCH SO THIS PERSON WOULD TECHNICALLY NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE.
THIS PERSON DECIDED TO SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE.
[LAUGHTER] HALF THE VEHICLE ON THE DRIVEWAY AND HALF THE VEHICLE ON THE GRASSY AREA.
THIS VEHICLE I'M ASSUMING IS A WORK VEHICLE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY'RE FOR WHATEVER REASON, DON'T WANT TO PARK THEIR WORK VEHICLE IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PICTURES AND BILL, I THINK IS GOING TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU.
>> I HAD A DISCUSSION TODAY WITH JASON ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
AS A CITY, WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ENFORCE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT, WE CAN'T BE CAPRICIOUS OR ARBITRARY AND HOW WE ENFORCE.
WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME POLICIES THAT RECOGNIZE
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THE CONTEXT OF THE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY.IF YOU GO DOWN A BEACH, MOST OF THAT'S ALL GRAVEL, OR PAPERS, OR CONCRETE NOW.
IT'S ALL STABILIZED SURFACE OUT AND IT'S MOSTLY GRANDFATHERED IN.
BUT IN THE ROYAL PALMS AREA, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME STANDARD POLICIES THAT WERE ENFORCED THE CODE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST TAKE INTO THE IDEA THAT PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT AS IT WAS BUILT THERE, NO LONGER MEETS THE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVED IN.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SPLIT THE BABY.
WE'LL BRING THE POLICY BACK TO YOU GUYS JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IT AND THEN WE'LL START ENFORCING IT BECAUSE I LIVE THERE.
THEY TEND TO BE ACTUALLY ON THE STREETS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW PARKING.
IF YOU LOOK AT SALE FISH OR ROYAL PALM, THERE'S A HOUSE ON THE ROYAL PALM WHICH SAYS ROUTINELY SIX OR SO VEHICLES IN THE GRASS BUT THEY CAN'T PARK ON ROYAL PALM.
THERE'S AT LEAST ONE ON SALE FISH.
THERE'S SOME THAT IN WHICH I SUSPECT THEY HAVE INOPERABLE VEHICLES.
BUT THEY PARKED THE CAR WITH THE LICENSE PLATE AGAINST THE HOUSE.
WE CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BECAUSE MUNICIPAL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND YOU WILL PROBABLY HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS WHEN WE GET TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ENFORCE AND WHAT EVIDENCE THEY CAN USE.
BUT THEY ARE PARKING ON THE GRAPHS.
IN THE CASE THAT I'M THINKING OF, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY HAVE NOT MOVED IN A LONG TIME SO WE CAN USE THE NO PARKING TO AT LEAST GET THEM TO MOVE.
IF THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ON THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO ACCENTUATE AND CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION SO THANK YOU.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE ABANDONED DERELICT VEHICLES THAT HAVE NOT MOVED SOME OF THEM FOR MANY YEARS.
WE HAVE A CITIZEN AMY ROSE, WHO'S BROUGHT IT TO THE FORE THROUGH COMMUNICATIONS TO US AS COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF.
WE'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT HOW TO ENFORCE AND SO ON.
I HEAR YOU ON THE CHALLENGES WITH THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE BACKED IN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION WILL BE AS FAR AS GETTING CARS OFF GRASS WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN ONE CAR AND THE ONE CAR DRIVEWAYS WITH CLOSED IN CARPORTS.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THIS, IN MY SENSIBILITIES, TELL ME THAT EVEN IF WE CAN'T SEE THE LICENSE TAG AND SO ON, IF THE GRASS HAS GROWN UP INTO THE RADIATOR OF THE VEHICLE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO POST A VIOLATION NOTICE.
CAN WE GET SOME CONSENSUS ON THAT TO WHERE WE COULD AT LEAST AND EVEN IF WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD NOT BE DEFENSIBLE IN A COURT OR WITH OUR MAGISTRATE, AT LEAST PUSH THE ENVELOPE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS PUSH THE ENVELOPE.
BECAUSE SOME OF THESE CLEARLY HAVE NOT MOVED IN SO MANY YEARS. COMMISSIONER.
>> I THINK WE CAN GET THERE BY ENFORCING THE NO PARKING ON THE GRASS PART, BECAUSE THAT WE CAN DEFEND EASILY RATHER THAN THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE.
IF THEY HAVE TIRES AND THEY OTHERWISE LOOK COMPLETE, OUR ONLY OPTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE CURRENTLY REGISTERED, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE].
>> ONE SECOND, COMMISSIONER. I HEAR YOU ON THE ENFORCING NOT PARKING ON THE GRASS.
I'M BETTING THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IF YOU DON'T SAY IT, YOU'LL KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE SOME LENIENCY FOR TIME.
WE COULD ALL AGREE THAT THE COST OF MULCH OR GRAVEL IS MINIMAL, BUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ROYAL PALM STILL TODAY THAT WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME PAYING FOR GRAVEL.
MAYBE WE COULD PROVIDE FREE MULCH. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE MAY BE SOME TOLERANCE FOR SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO COMPLY JUST SAYING, SO AGAIN, I HOPE THAT WE'LL LOOK AT, THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL THAT ARE REALLY ROUGH THAT WE PUT A NOTICE ON THE DOOR. BUT YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> AT LEAST I WOULD SAY THE VEHICLE THAT'S IN OF BOARD HAS FLAT TIRES, WHICH IS A BIG INDICATOR IT'S NOT WORKING BECAUSE MOST TIRES [INAUDIBLE] FOREVER.
THAT'S A SURE SIGN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A TICKET. TIRES ARE FLAT.
I READ SOMETHING ELSE, BUT WE JUST LOOKED AT THE CARS THEY'RE JUST OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING AND MAYBE LOOKED AT.
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THAT WE COULD DO RIGHT AWAY.I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
>> I WILL SAY I SENT JOSE OUT NOT LAST WEEK, BUT THE WEEK BEFORE, BECAUSE IN WALKING THE DOG THERE WAS A TRUCK IN THE YARD THAT LITERALLY HAD NO TIRE.
THE WHEEL WAS IN THE GRASS ITSELF WITH NO TIRE.
NEXT MORNING, I SAID JOSE, HEY, GO TO THIS ADDRESS AND SEE WHAT WE GOT AND GIVE THEM A WARNING NOTICE.
>> AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPROMISE, I WOULD LOOK AT MAYBE CONSIDERING A MAX NUMBER OF CARS AT A HOME.
I SAW PICTURES OF HAMPER, WORK TRAILERS, WORK TRUCKS AND INDUSTRIAL TRUCKS, MAYBE PUT A LIMIT ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
KEEP IT TO HOUSEHOLD VEHICLES WITH A SET NUMBER.
BUT IT'S HARD BECAUSE THESE HOME YOU'RE GOING FOR CLOSE TO FIVE, SIX IN SOME CASES $700,000 OF.
THERE'S MONEY IN THESE HOMES TO CLEAN THEM UP, THE DIRTS OR SOMETHING.
FOLKS LIKE AMY HAVE A GOOD ARGUMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING INVESTMENTS IN [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES OVER THERE AND TRYING TO, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BEING REHABILITATED.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING SO YOU WANT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLLOW SUIT AND JUST BASIC THINGS.
>> I THINK CHANGING WORK VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD TAKE A CODE CHANGE BECAUSE OUR CODE ALLOWS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WITHIN A CERTAIN SIDE SO I CAN'T DO THAT BY POLICY.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO THREAD THE NEEDLE AND HIT THE ONES THAT ARE CLEARLY EGREGIOUS AND BE SENSITIVE.
THE FLIP SIDE OF IT IS IF I DRAW A HEAVY HAND, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 30 PEOPLE IN HERE COMPLAINING SO WE'LL SEE WHERE I CAN GET.
>> JUST ONE THING [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK THE KEY TO THIS IS CONSISTENCY.
YOU CAN HAVE A NEIGHBOR, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE INTERNET OBVIOUSLY POINTING THESE THINGS OUT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE METRICS THAT SHOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM ALL IN THE SAME LIGHT.
WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE RULES, WE GOT TO SAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY, NOT JUST POINTING TO ONE AREA.
>> LET ME JUST COMMENT AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
THAT ALSO BRINGS UP THE POINT ABOUT RELIANCE ON COMPLAINTS IS NOT THE SOLUTION HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO NEED TO BE A CITY STAFF ENFORCED CHANGE.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT'S GOING TO BE HAPHAZARD THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO RAT ON THEIR NEIGHBORS, SO THEY DON'T COMPLAIN.
THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT HERE THAT'S VIOLATING THAT GETS AWAY WITH IT AND ONE RIGHT HERE THAT DOESN'T.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED ALL HANDS ON DECK.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD TAKE CITIZEN COMPLAINTS, BUT WE NEED CODE ENFORCEMENT TO DRIVE AROUND. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> MANY OF THESE HOUSES, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE STARTING TO CHANGE HANDS ARE LEGACY HOUSES.
>> THE FAMILIES HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND THEY'VE JUST GROWN ORGANICALLY.
WITHOUT STEREOTYPING, MAYBE THE FAMILY THAT DOES HAVE A WORK TRUCK.
>> WELL, WE ALLOW UP TO ONE WORK VEHICLE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I BELIEVE.
I'LL ASK AMY, DID IT COME UP? THERE'S A SIZE THRESHOLD THAT IT'S ALLOWED.
>> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] I COULD REMEMBER THE EXACT TONNAGE OR SIZE AND THEN WE ALSO LIMIT TO SOME DEGREE THE SIGNAGE ON THE VEHICLE.
IF IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A HUGE ADVERTISING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY DOES WORK FOR AT&T OR COMCAST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WE DO GIVE LENIENCY TO VEHICLES.
>> WE ALLOW UP TO ONE WORK VEHICLE, IS THAT CORRECT AND ONE BOAT?
>> NO, WE ALLOW VEHICLES NOT OVER 12,500 POUNDS, SO NOT A LARGER WORK VEHICLE, SO IT'S A SMALLER [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF MEMORY SERVES ME, THE BOAT HAS TO BE SEVEN FEET.
>> FIFTEEN FEET. BOATS AND RVS HAVE TO BE 15 FEET BEHIND PROPERTY LINE.
WELL, IT WOULD ASSUMINGLY BE FRONT YARD WITH OUR SETBACKS. THANK YOU.
>> ONE LAST THING. MAYBE A COMPROMISE AS YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT SOLUTION IS, HAVING THE WORK TRUCK PARK ON THE PAVEMENT.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO COMPLETELY CHANGE BECAUSE YOU GOT THESE ROADS LIKE ROYAL PALMS, THAT THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE PAVEMENT AND THERE'S A REASON.
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>> THEY SAID PARKING IN THE YARD BECAUSE IT IS EXTRA HEAVY AND PRESERVING LANDSCAPE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, I HEAR YOU, BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS ULTIMATELY TO GET THE CARS OFF THE GRASS ALTOGETHER.
OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT AREA OF THE YARD, THE GRASS, THEN THEY WOULD REMOVE THE GRASS AND PUT IN A GRAVEL PARKING PAD OR MULCH OR WHATEVER.
>> THOUGHT WE DIDN'T LIKE GRAVEL BECAUSE IT LEAKS INTO THE ROAD.
>> PUBLIC WORKS WOULD HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
>> WE HAVE CHALLENGED PARKING PADS LIKE THAT BEFORE.
>> I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT ON THE PERSON'S PROPERTY AND NOT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE DO ALLOW GRAVEL, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A TWO FOOT SEPARATOR SO IT KEEPS THE GRAVEL OUT OF THE RIGHT WAY.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH PARKING PADS.
>> I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS ON THE AGENDA AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO.
>> I WAITED FOR AMANDA TO SIT DOWN SO I CAN BRING HER BACK UP AND GIVE A QUICK PRESENTATION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.
>> TONIGHT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT NIGHT WE'RE TALKING.
[LAUGHTER] WE HAVE SOME SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ON.
DONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I JUST DID.
>> SAYING YOU'RE SHARING [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'LL START. WE AS STAFF, DO CO ENFORCEMENT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
BUT ON SPECIFIC SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE ALSO MONTHLY CHECK THE VARIOUS WEBSITES FOR PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T IN COMPLIANCE.
SOMETIMES WE'LL SEE A MAP OF, IF YOU GO INTO VRBO OR AIRBNB AND YOU TYPE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, YOU'LL SEE A MAP SOMETIMES.
SOMETIMES YOU DON'T SEE A MAP, YOU SEE A GENERAL AREA.
WE ALSO FIND THAT SOME OF THESE SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT IN ATLANTIC BEACH, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS ATLANTIC BEACH.
SOMETIMES IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY DISTRICT UP ON NORTH MAYPORT ROAD.
WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE TO FIRST VERIFY THAT THERE IS A COMPLAINT AND WE WILL LOOK AT THE LISTING.
WE WILL SEE IF THE LISTING IS WITHIN THE CITY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LISTING THAT SAYS SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IT'S LOCATED IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE HOTELS, BUT IT COMES ACROSS ON YOUR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING, PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT.
WHAT WE DO IS, IF WE CAN VERIFY THAT IT TRULY IS A VIOLATION, THEN WE WILL SEND THEM A NOTICE OF VIOLATION VIA MAIL OR EMAIL IF WE HAVE THE PERSON'S INFORMATION.
THEN FROM THERE, I'VE GOT TO HIT MOST OF THESE THINGS, I'LL HIT THIS, WE DO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS ANYTHING LESS THAN 90 DAYS.
WE DO PREDATE THE CURRENT FLORIDA STATE STATUTE RIGHT NOW.
THE STATE STATUTE SAYS YOU CANNOT IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, HOWEVER OUR CODE IS GRANDFATHERED IN.
WHAT THAT MEANS, THOUGH, IS WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR CODE THE WAY IT IS AND IF WE TWEAK OUR CODE, THEN WE LOSE OUR GRANDFATHERING STATUS, SO 90 DAYS.
AS I MENTIONED, WE GO THROUGH VARIOUS WEBSITES TO LOOK FOR VIOLATIONS.
OFTENTIMES WE'LL SEE ON THE WEBSITE THAT IT IS NOT 90 DAYS, PARTICULARLY.
YOU CAN RENT IT FOR A DAY OR TWO DAYS, IT SEEMS. WE DO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THIS.
BUT OFTENTIMES WE WILL SEND A NOTICE AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, IT'S INACTIVE OR THIS WAS DONE BY MISTAKE, THE DURATION.
OFTENTIMES WE'VE ALSO HEARD, WELL, WE ONLY RENT TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND WE DON'T CHARGE ANY MONEY, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO APPROVE.
AS I SAID, WE DO GO THROUGH AND TRY TO VET THEM.
THIS EXAMPLE COMES UP FROM AIRBNB, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN CENTER.
IT IS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THEREFORE, IT'S TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED A HOTEL AND IT IS A PERMITTED USE.
BASICALLY, WHEN WE GO BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE, WE HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE AND IT CAN'T BE HEARSAY EVIDENCE, IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE.
I MENTIONED THE STATE STATUTE AND WE'RE GRANDFATHERED IN.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK, WELL, CAN'T YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND ASK IF THEY'RE SHORT TERM RENTAL OR ARE RENTING? NO, WE CAN'T.
THAT'S NOT LEGAL TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
WE CAN'T RUN THE LICENSE PLATES TO SEE IF THEY MATCH THAT ADDRESS.
WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING IF IT HAS AN OUT OF STATE LICENSE PLATE.
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IT'S JUST NOT LEGAL TO DO THAT.WE HAVE HAD SUCCESS OF NOT NECESSARILY PROVING THAT SOMETHING IS HOMESTEADED, BUT TURNING IT OVER TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IS GETTING VERY DILIGENT AND LOOKING TO COLLECT TAXES ON THAT SO WE HAVE FOUND THAT AS ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BOX TO USE.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALSO CONTACTED THE RENTAL AGENCIES AND SAID, HEY, DO YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT LEGAL? IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ANYBODY AT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
>> SOMETIMES WE SEND E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS THAT AREN'T RETURNED, BUT WE DO TRY THAT METHOD.
THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN TODAY FROM AIRBNB, AND AS I SAID, WE DO REVIEW IT, IT'S SHOWING AND THIS IS SNEAKY HERE.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT A SPECIFIC ADDRESS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THEN ONE OUTSIDE OF TOWN, AND THEN THESE ARE LOCATED IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AS OF TODAY, AIRBNB HAS ONE HERE.
IF YOU CLICK ON IT, YOU CANNOT SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE MAPPED THE COMPLAINT VOLUME OVER TIME, AND EBBS AND FLOWS.
WE DO RESPOND TO ANY COMPLAINT THAT WE RECEIVE, WHETHER IT IS IN WRITING OR VIA PHONE CALL.
IF YOU REMEMBER THOUGH, THE STATE STATUTE CHANGED, AND IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN, YOU DO HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU CAN NO LONGER BE ANONYMOUS WITH COMPLAINTS.
IN 2017, WE SAW A SPIKE OF 15 COMPLAINTS.
WE DID FOLLOW UP. THEN THE PANDEMIC HIT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER.
WE HAD ANOTHER SPIKE JUST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WITH RENTALS AND PEOPLE COMING TO FLORIDA, I THINK TO ENJOY, WE WERE PRETTY OPEN HERE IN FLORIDA.
I'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH YOU, BUT WE DETERMINE IF THERE'S A CODE VIOLATION, WE SEND THAT NOTICE, AND WE HAVE TO SEND THAT NOTICE TO A PROPERTY OWNER.
OFTENTIMES THE KEY FOR US IS IF IT'S IN AN LLC, OR THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MAILING ADDRESS, THAT CLUES US IN AS WELL.
THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE USE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE AND TURN PEOPLE IN VIA THAT WAY AND LET THEM INVESTIGATE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE HAD ZERO CASES SENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AND WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL RECORD, SO THAT IF WE DO GO BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, IT'S UPHELD WITH THEM.
AS I SAID, WE'VE CONTACTED THE RENTAL AGENCIES.
AGAIN, TO RECAP OUR RULES, 90 DAYS OR LESS IS CONSIDERED SHORT TERM.
WE DO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE FIELD A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ABOUT SPECULATION.
WE HAVE PEOPLE CALL US ABOUT INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.
WHEN WE DO TALK TO THOSE REALTORS, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THEY CANNOT RENT OR LEASE LESS THAN 90 DAYS.
THEN THAT'S THE EDUCATION COMPONENT.
WE REALLY TRY TO GET THAT OUT.
ALL OF OUR STAFF KNOWS THAT AND ANYTIME WE COME IN CONTACT WITH A REALTOR BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE ABLE TO INTERFACE WITH THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
IN CONCLUSION, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD LEGISLATION ON THE BOOKS, BUT REGARDLESS, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT OR WE'LL LOSE OUR GRANDFATHERING STATUS.
IT DOES TAKE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY IF SOMEONE DOES HAVE A SPECIFIC PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
JUST GIVE US A CALL AND WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.
THEN AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THE MAGISTRATE.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET COMPLIANCE.
IF YOU WANT TO REPORT ANYTHING, YOU CAN ALWAYS E MAIL US AT CODES@COAB.US AND THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT'S IT.
>> GREAT. THANKS, COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> YES. AMANDA, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, VERY INFORMATIVE.
I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, AT WHAT POINT ARE WE ABLE TO SEND A LETTER OR NOTICE TO THEM SAYING, YOU'VE BEEN SUSPECTED OF RENTING YOUR HOME, PROPERTY ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, PLEASE CEASE AND DESIST, ETC., ETC?
>> ONCE WE GET THE COMPLAINT AND WE CAN VERIFY THE ACTUAL ADDRESS, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T TECHNICALLY LEGALLY USE THE REVIEWS, WE DO READ THE REVIEWS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL SAY, I ENJOYED MY TWO NIGHTS STAY IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND THEN I'M LIKE, "THEY'VE RENTED LESS THAN 90 DAYS." YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE CALENDAR.
A LOT OF TIMES THE CALENDAR WILL HAVE GAPS IN IT, AND YOU CAN TELL THAT THEY'VE NOT RENTED IT FOR 90 DAYS, BUT LEGALLY, I CAN'T USE THAT AS EVIDENCE.
SOMETIMES I CAN'T PROVE IT 100%, BUT WE GO AHEAD AND SEND THEM, I CALL THEM THE LOVE LETTERS, WE SEND THEM THE LETTER, AND THEN LET THEM RESPOND TO US.
>> WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT 101.
DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PROVE EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU.
WHAT IS THE LITMUS TEST FOR PROPERTY APPRAISERS TO TAKE AWAY HOMESTEAD.
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DO THEY HAVE THE SAME LITMUS TESTS AS WE DO IN TERMS OF PROVING, BEING ABLE TO PROVE?I THINK IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THEM IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MAILING ADDRESS THAN THE PROPERTY ADDRESS. THAT'S IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT, BUT I'VE SEEN COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM COME OFF OF AIRBNB AND VRBO.
THERE'S A PROCESS THAT THEY USE.
I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
>> ONE LAST THING AND THEN I'LL LET MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
ONE THING THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THIS PROCESS OF THE COMPLAINT, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN PROVE, CAN'T PROVE AND WHAT OUR ACTIONS ARE, ETC.
I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF I CAN'T BEAT THEM, I'M GOING TO JOIN THEM KIND OF THING.
THERE'S A WAY TO BE MORE ROBUST WITH OUR ACTIONS WITHOUT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE.
WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF AGGRESSIVE, MORE AGGRESSIVE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WE MAYBE LOOK AT SOME OTHER WAYS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORCEFUL TACTICALLY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> WHAT IF IT'S NOT HOMESTEAD AND THEY'RE RENTING IT OUT, CAN YOU HALT THEM RIGHT THERE AND SEND TO THE MAGISTRATE?
>> WELL, DURING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM DUE PROCESS, AND WE DO HAVE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CURE THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHAT THAT NOTICE OF NOTICE OF VIOLATION IS, IS HEY, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF X, Y AND Z?.
YOU HAVE 30 DAYS, 10 DAYS, WHATEVER WE DEEM TO STOP THOSE ACTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE LEGALLY DETERMINED THAT IT'S AIRBNB.
THEY QUITE FRANKLY PLAY THE GAME WITH US.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL PUT ON THERE IN THEIR DESCRIPTION, NOT FOR RENTAL LESS THAN 90 DAYS, BUT INQUIRE ABOUT ADDITIONAL RENTALS BECAUSE I CAN SEE FROM THE CALENDAR, BUT I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT.
WE'VE EVEN CONSIDERED AND IT WAS CONSIDERED ENTRAPMENT FOR THE CITY TO GO IN, AND YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A VERIFIED AIRBNB ACCOUNT AND THEN TRY TO RENT A PLACE, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ENTRAPMENT, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DIRECTION.
>> YOU SAID YOU LOOK UP ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR A QUARTERLY BASIS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A COMPLAINT.
>> EVEN JUST GOOGLE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN ATLANTIC BEACH BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ON ONE OF THE STANDARD PLATFORMS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEY DO POP UP PERIODICALLY.
I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THEM, THEY'LL POP UP, AND THEN THEY'LL GET OFF ONE OF THE WEB PAGES AND COME BACK A MONTH OR TWO LATER, SO THEY DO EBB AND FLOW SOME.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU FIND IT ON YOUR OWN, THE RENTAL PROPERTY, STAFF MEMBER WITHOUT A COMPLAINT?
>> WE VERIFY THAT IT IS ACTUALLY IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND TRY TO VERIFY AS MUCH AS WE CAN THAT THEY TRULY DO MEET THE DEFINITION OF SHORT TERM RENTAL.
>> YOU GO ABOUT THE SAME VIOLATION.
EITHER WHETHER YOU'RE FINDING THEM OR WHETHER IT'S SUBMITTED IN WITH A COMPLAINT.
WHAT DO YOU TELL A CITIZEN WHO COMES IN AND SAYS, "HEY, NEXT DOOR, I'M HAVING A SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUE."?
>> WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM THEM AS WE CAN.
THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GATHER, THE BETTER.
I HAD ONE OVER ON SARGO AND THEY CAME IN AND SPECIFICALLY WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT THEY HAD DIFFERENT RENTERS IN THERE WEEKLY.
WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVE IT.
IT WASN'T ON ANY RENTAL SITES.
I COULD DRIVE BY AND I COULD SEE OUT OF STATE LICENSE PLATE, BUT THEY WERE NOT BREAKING ANY REGULATIONS OR RULES.
>> WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND CITIZENS TO WHO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS NEXT TO THEM?
>> CONTACT US AND GIVE US ANY INFORMATION.
IF WE CAN PROVE IT, MAYBE THEY HAD A NEIGHBOR OR A FRIEND THAT BOOKED IT AND WE CAN PROVE THAT THAT BOOKING WAS LESS THAN 90 DAYS, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP US WITH EVIDENCE.
>> I JUST THINK THAT AS A CITY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, THAT WE COULD DETER THIS.
PUTTING IN THESE LITTLE ROAD BLOCKS, AND EVEN THE LOVE LETTERS THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SENDS, THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
I KNOW IF I'M RENTING A SHORT TERM HOME, AND I HEAR THAT IN ATLANTIC BEACH, THERE'S THINGS POSTED AND YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I'M SITTING HERE. I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
I DON'T WANT TO BRING MY FAMILY FROM OUT OF STATE OR OUT TO ANOTHER CITY AND THEN FIND OUT THAT I'M SOMEWHERE ILLEGALLY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING THAT THIS IS IF WE CAN'T ENTRAP THEM.
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IF WE CAN'T RELY SOLELY ON OUR CITIZENS TO COMPLAIN AND BE FRUSTRATED, AT LEAST, WHAT CAN WE DO TO DEAR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS? WE DON'T WANT WORD GET OUT THAT THERE'S NOTHING ACTUALLY WE CAN DO TO ENFORCE THAT.>> WELL, WE DO, LIKE I SAID, SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE TALK TO REALTORS, TRY TO EDUCATE THE REALTORS, OFTEN THEY'RE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE WHEN IT COMES TO RULES AND REGULATIONS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
BUT WELCOME ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS TO GET THE WORD OUT FOR OUR CITIZENS [OVERLAPPING].
>> DEFINITELY LIKE THE LOVE LETTER ID.
I KNOW THAT OUR IT AND OUR SOCIAL MEDIA IS REALLY UP THE ANTE.
THAT WOULD BE NICE TO THROW THAT ONE OF THOSE OUT, SOMETHING A LITTLE BLURB.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW, BUT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT.
SOME OF THEM ARE POSTING THESE RENTALS OUT IGNORANTLY.
THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO BREAK THE LAW BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.
>> WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TRY A CAMPAIGN THROUGH THE UTILITIES BILL AND JUST PUT OUT A NOTICE THAT PERIODICALLY.
BECAUSE THE RENTERS AREN'T GETTING THE UTILITY BILL.
THE CHALLENGE IS MUNICIPAL CODE ENFORCEMENT, IS MUCH MORE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE CRIMINAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
TYPICALLY IN MUNICIPAL CODE, WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO SHOOT AT US.
BUT THE RULES ARE, IT'S MUCH TOUGHER FOR US TO PROVE A CASE, MUCH TOUGHER BECAUSE THE STATE HAS CRAFTED THE RULES IN A WAYS THAT TRIES TO ENSURE PROTECTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
WE'LL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH JASON FIGURE OUT HOW FAR WE CAN PUSH THE LINE AND DO A PUBLIC MESSAGING CAMPAIGN THROUGH YOUR UTILITY.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT CODE WITHOUT LOSE IT ALTOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT JACK SPEECH IS HAVING ISSUES WITH.
THEY HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS, AND I KNOW IT'S JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT CHANGES THE FABRIC OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
>> IT ADDS TRAFFIC, NOISE, AND JUST VOLUME TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> SAY THAT MOST VACATIONERS DON'T WANT IT LOOMING OVER THEIR HEAD, THAT THEY ARE PART OF SOMETHING THAT IS ILLEGAL.
I KNOW I WOULDN'T WANT TO RISK ALL THAT MONEY AND TIME AND ENERGY SPENT SOMEWHERE WHERE I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.
I THINK OUR BEST BET AS A CITY IS REALLY THROUGH DETERRING AND DISCOURAGING THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS.
>> THERE YOU HAVE. WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM.
THANK YOU. FEEL FREE TO SET UP AN APPOINTMENT WITH AMANDA.
>> THE COMMISSION ACCEPTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS, DIDN'T ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT DID ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STOP COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL REQUIRE ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT.
THE OTHERS I CAN IMPLEMENT THROUGH POLICY AND WE'LL DO SO.
BUT THE TWO THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FEES THAT WE COLLECT A 18TH AND 19TH STREET, THE PUBLIC PAY PARKING THERE, THAT WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THOSE FEES THAT WE DO WITH THE TOWN CENTER.
THE TOWN CENTER, THOSE FEES GO BACK INTO THE TOWN CENTER, SO THAT'S HOW WE PAY FOR LANDSCAPING AND TREE LINES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A DESIRE TO USE THE 18TH STREET TO ENHANCE PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND MAYBE BEAUTIFICATION IN THAT AREA.
IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO IMPLEMENT THAT, WE HAVE THE PARKING FEES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT DIRECTS THE MONEY TO A SPECIFIC ENTERPRISE FUND AND A SPECIFIC USE, AND WE WILL NEED THAT.
IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT, THEN I'LL START THAT PROCESS.
>> PARKING IS A PERENNIAL ISSUE.
LET'S USE THE MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON IT.
>> MATCH IT TO WHAT IT GENERATE. WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE REQUIRING IN ORDER IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE AGREED THAT I THINK IT'S MISSTATED, BUT I WENT TO MANY OF THE MEETINGS.
THE INTENT WAS TO NOT ALLOW PARKING IN THE RIGHT AWAY WITHIN 30 FEET OF A STOP SIGN.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO IMPLEMENT THAT, A, WE WILL NEED AN ORDINANCE TO DO THAT, AND B THAT IT NOT BE APPLIED TO DIAGONAL PARKING, STRAIGHT IN PARKING, OR PARKING THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF OUR BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT INQUIRED PARKING.
THE DIAGONAL PARK AND STRAIGHT IN PARKING,
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THAT'S TOWN CENTER 18TH, 19TH STREET OR SOME OTHER PLACES THAT WE HAVE STRAIGHT IN PARKING.IF YOU DO 30 FEET FROM THE STOP SIGN IN THOSE PLACES, YOU USE QUITE A FEW PARKING SPACES.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED 13 PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THAT WE WOULD LOSE.
BUT THOSE 13 PARKING SPACES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS ONES THAT WE WOULD PRESERVE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN MEET THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BEACH TREE NOURISHMENT.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE 30 FEET FROM A STOP SIGN WOULD APPLY TO PARALLEL PARKING.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE ASKED FOR CONSENSUS ON THIS DIRECTION, I JUST WANT TO RE-STATE WHAT THE FINDING OR THE BELIEFS WERE FOR FROM THE STOP COMMITTEE.
BECAUSE IT'S BEACH ACCESS, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING, WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S NOT A STOP OR A SIGN SAYING THEY CANNOT PARK.
THEY'LL PARK RIGHT UP TO A STOP SIGN, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE DELIVERY TRUCKS TODAY AND SO ON.
IT'S NOT LIKE 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN IT'S A CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF THE STOP SIGN, LITERALLY, YOU CANNOT SEE THE STOP SIGN UNTIL YOU ARE AT OR PASSING IT.
THAT WAS THE REQUEST WAS TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH THE FLORIDA STATUTE ONLY ADDRESS 30 FEET FROM A STOP SIGN ON THE PAVED AREA, WE HAVE CARS PARKING IN THE NON PAVED GRASS, WEED, SAND AREAS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE REQUEST WAS TO MOVE IT BACK 30 FEET.
I CERTAINLY DO SUPPORT THAT, AND I HOPE WE CAN GIVE CONSENSUS TO THE CITY MANAGER. YES.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN I WAS WITH JACKS BEACH COP, WE DID PARKING TICKETS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS 20 FEET. IT'S 20?
>> WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE BECAUSE WE WERE GOING [OVERLAPPING].
THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT.
WE'VE BEEN GOING ON THE BASIS THAT THE ONLY LAW FROM STATUTE WAS THE 30 FEET FROM A STOP SIGN ON THE PAVED ROADWAY.
FLORIDA STATUTE, STATE LAW. I TELL YOU WHAT.
WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON WHILE HE'S LOOKING THAT UP AND GIVE YOU A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD SUBJECT TO VALIDATION OF THAT? IF IT'S ALREADY A LAW AT 20 FEET.
>> WELL, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS 30.
>> WE COULD ALWAYS MAKE IT 30 INSTEAD OF 20.
>> ON THE ROADWAY. BUT THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO OFF ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY.
THEN THAT'S THE ASK IS 30 FEET.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT?
>> CONSISTENT TO THE WAY I SAID IT.
>> THIS PARALLEL PARKING THAT'S NOT REQUIRED AS PART OF THE BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT.
>> WE'LL GET ORDINANCES CRAFTED AND BRING THOSE.
>> HOW WOULD THEY BE MARKED? HOW WILL YOU KNOW?
>> WELL, SO WE HAD THEM ON A MAP, AND SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE FIRST TASK I DIRECTED OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IS TO MAP ALL THE PARKING.
>> THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THOSE THAT AREN'T ON OUR BEACH FRONT.
THEN WHEN WE GET THAT, I THINK THERE'S A LONG TERM DESIRE TO HAVE FUNDS ESTABLISHED IN THE BUDGET SO THAT INCREMENTALLY, WE'RE CONVERTING THOSE INTO ACTUALLY DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STOP IS TO CLEARLY DELINEATE PARKING SPACES.
WE WOULD DO THOSE PARKING SPACES PER FLOCK.
BUT WE WOULDN'T DO THEM ALL AT ONE TIME.
WE MIGHT DO FIVE OR 10 A YEAR UNTIL WE'RE NOT PITCH PARKS.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> NOW WE ACTUALLY WILL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.I WANT TO RECOGNIZE MY FRIEND, BRUCE. ANDREWS OUT THERE.
A LOT OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS THAT HE DOES A LOT OF WORK FOR BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY.
EVERY TIME I'VE HEARD HIM, AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR FIVE YEARS, IS THAT HE'S LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIM, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT.
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HE'S ALWAYS BROUGHT ME IDEAS THAT I CAN TALK TO BOLE OR TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT, AND HE'S ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.I'LL JUST SAY THAT, EVEN YOU ALL THAT KNOW HIM.
>> IF YOU DO WANT TO CONGRATULATE RICK AGAIN, HE CAN BE FOUND 5:00, COL HAYNES, OR.
ANY NAVY FOOTBALL GAME STARTING ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR, WE'RE IN THE FAR LEFT HAND CORNER.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> I'LL BE QUICK, TOO. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THERE WAS A LOT OF ROAD WORK THIS PAST WEEK, ESPECIALLY ON 19TH, WHICH IS NOT A REAL EASY ROAD TO PAVE IF YOU'VE GONE UP AND DOWN IT.
SO IT LOOKS VERY NICE, AND I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
I KNOW PLAZA HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF WORK RECENTLY.
SO JUST COMPLIMENTS TO ALL INVOLVED AND LOOKS REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KELLY.
I HEARD TODAY THAT CRUISERS RESTAURANT IN JACKS BEACH IS OFFERING SNAP BENEFIT FAMILIES A FREE, NUTRITIOUS MEAL ON MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS.
THAT'S TO GO ALONG WITH THE POT PIE LADY ON MAYPORT ROAD.
>> YEAH. IT WAS, BUT SHE'S GIVING CHICKEN PIE.
YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUY A WREATH FOR WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA.
IT'S ON OUR CALENDAR THAT WE WILL BE LAYING THEM IN NOVEMBER.
DEADLINE TO BUY ONE IS THE END OF NOVEMBER.
PLEASE BUY ONE. ALSO, SARAH BOREN BROUGHT UP AN IDEA FOR HAVING A SENIOR COMMUNITY GARDEN SET UP AT THE NEW ED MARSH OAKS.
I SAID, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET AND WE NEED TO FIND AN ARCHITECT.
SHE SAID SHE HAS AN ARCHITECT WHO HAS A PLAN.
I WANTED TO PASS THAT ON TO RECREATION AND AMANDA.
I'D LIKE TO WISH MY FELLOW VETERANS A HAPPY VETERANS DAY.
ENJOY YOUR WHATEVER YOU'RE HAVING TOMORROW.
>> YES. MAYPORT WATERFRONT PARTNERSHIP IS HOSTING A THREE PART SERIES SCENIC VISIONS OF 2025.
THAT SPOTLIGHT, THE MAYPORT VILLAGE.
I KNOW THIS IS OUTSIDE OF AB, BUT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO.
THE FINAL PART WILL BE THIS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH FROM 5:30 -7:30 AT THE GULLIFORD COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'LL BE FACILITATED BY GEORGETTE DUMONT, OF UNF. THERE'LL BE A PANEL.
THE PANEL WILL INCLUDE CHRIS FISHER FROM OCEARCH.
FRED JONES FROM HASKEL AND MAYOR CHRISTINE HOFFMAN, FROM THE BEACHES MUSEUM AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
YOU DO HAVE TO PURCHASE TICKETS FOR THIS EVENT.
IT'S $25 AND THEY'RE STILL AVAILABLE.
>> JUST ONE MORE THING. ABPD DID A FANTASTIC JOB AGAIN THIS YEAR ON THAT HAUNTED HOUSE WE DID TAKE.
WE LIKE TO KICK OFF OUR ANNUAL TRICK OR TREATING.
EVEN MY MIDDLE SCHOOLER WANTED TO GO TO IT, SO IT'S PRETTY IT'S BAD.
>> THANK YOU. IT WAS VERY GOOD.
I WENT AND ON ONE OF THE DARK HALLWAYS, I RAN INTO A WAX MANNEQUIN OF CHIEF VIC.
>> ACTUALLY DRESSED AS A SURFER?
>> HE WAS DRESSED AS A SURFER, YES.
SO THAT WAS SCARY. I WAS SCARED.
>> THE PD DEPARTMENT SERVED OVER 1,000 PEOPLE THAT EVENING.
>> IT REALLY IS A GREAT EVENT.
I HOPE WE CAN'T CONTINUE FOREVER.
>> IT WAS GREAT. I'LL BRING IT HOME TOUR OF HOMES.
THANK YOU, BRUCE, FOR MENTIONING THAT.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, WHY ARE WE PROMOTING MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO ATLANTIC BEACH? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THAT.
CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE THE REALTORS INVOLVED, IT'S PROBABLY THAT, BUT IT IS PROMOTING THE BEST OF WHAT WE OFFER AS A SMALL SEASIDE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THEY DID A FABULOUS JOB.
TOMORROW, VETERANS DAY, WE START AT WHAT TIME?
>> 9:00, COMMISSIONERS, CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS? ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE IT TOMORROW?
>> COME DRESSED APPROPRIATELY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.
FINALLY, COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU SHINED ON THAT FACE OF ATLANTIC BEACH LIVING.
COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS FEATURED CO-STARRED WITH DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, HER NAME.
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>> CONNIE CRAVEN. NICE ARTICLE.
THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND DOING THAT, SO BROUGHT SOME AWARENESS TO WHAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM SIX ON YOUR AGENDA.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. WE HAVE APPROVE ITEM 6A, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-94, 6B, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-95, 6C, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-96, AND THEN FINALLY, 60 APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-98.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THESE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT IN ORDER TO DISCUSS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 25-94, RESOLUTION 25-95, 25-96 AND 25-98.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
MOVING TO THE COMMITTEE HERE FOR THAT.
COMMITTEE REPORTS, I'M GOING TO GIVE A UPDATE TO THE BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
[7.A. Appointments and Reappointments to various boards and committees ]
I'M DELIGHTED TO SAY THAT WE HAD ALL FOUR BOARD MEMBERS OF THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. ATTENDING.>> THAT'S HARD TO DO, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED FOR A LONG TIME, SO WE HAD PAM WHITE, STEVE DIEMRE, SEAN KEENE, AND MYSELF.
THEN WE HAD EACH OF THE COMMITTEE OR BOARD CHAIRS THAT WE WERE SELECTING MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.
WE HAD A FULL HOUSE, WHICH WAS REALLY NICE.
WE HAD REALLY, REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES, AND AS SOMETIMES HAPPENS, WE HAD MORE CANDIDATES THAN WE HAD CHAIRS. OR SEATS TO FILL.
I WANT THIS ON RECORD THAT I SO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE REPEATERS THAT CAME BACK FOR A SECOND OR A THIRD EFFORT.
WE HAD PEOPLE THAT I'VE SEEN A YEAR AGO AND EVEN LONGER ATTEMPTING TO SERVE THIS CITY, AND I FEEL VERY BADLY WHEN WE DON'T END UP SELECTING SOMEBODY THAT HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET ON A BOARD OR A COMMITTEE.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU THE RESULTS.
WHAT WE DID, AND THIS IS FOR YOU TO NOW VOTE ON.
WE'LL MOVE ON THIS IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO REAPPOINT JOHN MILLER TO THE POLICE OFFICERS PENSION BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
THAT WOULD BE FOR POSITION REFERENCE 3, EFFECTIVE JANUARY.
IN FACT, AS I'M LOOKING, EVERYTHING THAT I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU IS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2026.
THE SECOND REAPPOINTMENT IS ANGELA FARFORD FOR THE CDB, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2026, HILARY HICKAM FOR ARCC.
APPOINTMENTS FROM ALTERNATE MEMBER TO REGULAR MEMBER POSITIONS.
GREG VLILES WITH THE CDB HAS BEEN SERVING FOR THE PAST MORE THAN A YEAR AS AN ALTERNATE.
NOW THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO MOVE INTO A VOTING PERMANENT POSITION.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND FROM THE CHAIR OF THE CDB.
THEN. BRINKLEY HERALD TO MOVE INTO A REGULAR MEMBER POSITION FOR THE GPBOT, WHICH WOULD BE THE, GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
SO AND THEN FINALLY, WE GET TO NEW APPOINTMENTS.
CDB WAS THE GROUP THAT HAD MOST OF THE PEOPLE ATTENDING, TRYING TO GET ON THE BOARD.
WE ENDED UP SELECTING FREDERICK FERRAN, AND HE ACTUALLY GOES BY RICK FARREN.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS WAS HARD BECAUSE WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES, AND WE HAD ALL GOOD INTENTIONS BY ALL OF THE CANDIDATES.
BUT I LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS, AND I HOPE YOU DID TOO WHEN WE SPOKE MOST RECENTLY ABOUT OUR CHANGES IN THE STORMWATER CODE ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AT LEAST ONE, AND I THINK IT WAS TWO THAT EVENING SPOKE ON WHY DO WE TAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM A BOARD LIKE THE CDB FOR SOMETHING THAT IS SO TECHNICAL AS STORMWATER, AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYONE ON THE BOARD THAT UNDERSTANDS STORMWATER, IE, AN ENGINEER.
HIS BACKGROUND IS HE WAS PORT AUTHORITY,
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WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN NOT PRESIDENT BUT CHAIR OF THE PORT AUTHORITY?I THINK IT WAS OR CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR, WHATEVER.HE RAN THE PORT OF JACKSONVILLE FOR A FEW YEARS.
HE HAS A LONG HISTORY IN THE SERVICE WITH GOVERNMENT.
HIS FOCUS IS GEO TECH, WHICH IS SOILS AND WATER, AND SO ON.
WE NOW, WITH YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, WILL HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE CDB THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT INSIDE NOW, AND HE'S SEMI RETIRED, BUT HE IS ACTUALLY STILL ENGAGED IN HIS CRAFT.
HE'S ACTIVE. BUT, OF COURSE, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT CONFLICTED WITH THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, HE WOULD RECUSE HIMSELF.
I THINK THAT WAS A REAL BIG WIN FOR OUR CDB AND FOR THE CITY.
DOUGLAS MOODY WAS SELECTED, I BELIEVE HE'S THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS PRESIDENT OF OF THE ASSOCIATION AT OCEAN WALK.
AND HE WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD CANDIDATE.
THEN FINALLY, I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THE NEXT NAME AND COME BACK TO IT.
IN TEXT BELOW THAT MATRIX IN YOUR AGENDA, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT, IT SAYS, IN ADDITION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUTLINED IN THE TABLE ABOVE, THE BMRC VOTED TO SELECT AN APPLICANT TO SERVE AS A SECOND ALTERNATE MEMBER, CONTINGENT UPON AMENDMENT TO THE CODE, AUTHORIZING SUCH A POSITION.
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IAN BROWN FOR THIS APPOINTMENT.
NOW, SPECIFICALLY, THE REASON WHY THIS IS NOW BEING REQUESTED IS THE CHAIR OF THE CDB, WHICH IS KIRK CANSON, INDICATED HIS DESIRE, STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE A SECOND ALTERNATE BECAUSE SOMETIMES ON BUSY MONTHS, PEOPLE ARE OFF VACATIONING AND SO ON.
AT THE LAST MINUTE, YOU'LL FAIL TO GET A QUORUM.
THE BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH AND AGREED WITH HIM AND AGREED TO PRESENT IT TO THIS COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU DO CONSIDER THAT, THEN THE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL TO CREATE THAT ORDINANCE OR AMENDMENT, I GUESS, TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, ALLOWING FOR A SECOND ALTERNATE.YES. QUESTION.
>> YOU MEANING IN A ROW THREE.
>> IT'S THREE. PERSONALLY, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS RECENTLY WITH CITY MANAGER KILINGSWORTH, AND WE THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB, AND WE THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
BUT NOT PREPARE REALLY TO GO INTO MORE DISCUSSION TODAY OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT LAX.
OF COURSE, HISTORY TELLS ME HAVING SERVED ON NUMEROUS BOARDS OVER THE YEARS, MOST ORGANIZATIONS ARE OKAY IF YOU JUST ASK FOR PERMISSION TO MISS A MEETING AND THEN IT'S.
IT'S NOT AN UNUSED ABSENCE, IT'S AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.
THAT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, CDB IS SO IMPORTANT IN THEIR DECISIONING FOR OUR CITY TO THINK THAT SOMEBODY COULD WORK THE SYSTEM AND REALLY JUST NOT SHOW UP HALF THE TIME.
I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION TO HAVE, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, MR. KILINGSWORTH, TO LET'S BRING THIS BACK FOR THIS BODY TO DISCUSS THAT.
BUT FOR NOW, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD MEMBER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS THAT WE DIRECT YOU TO, TO WORK ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE ALLOWING FOR A SECOND ALTERNATE?
>> ARE APPOINTMENTS DONE THROUGH RESOLUTION?
>> YOU'RE ALSO ASKING ME TO BRING FORTH A RESOLUTION, ASSUMING THE COMMISSION CONCURS TO BRING FORTH A RESOLUTION.
>> APPOINTING THESE PEOPLE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT RESOLUTION TO COME FORWARD ON THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN APPOINT EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME?
NONE OF THESE START UNTIL JANUARY.
THE SECOND ALTERNATE IS ACTUALLY NOT A RESIDENT TEMPORARILY OF CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
HE HE'S BUILDING A HOUSE ON, I WANT TO SAY 11TH OR REMODELING IS ONE OF THE OTHER.
AND SO HE WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE UNTIL FEBRUARY, AND WE COULD NOT INSTALL HIM AS EVEN AN ALTERNATE UNLESS HE IS FINALLY A RESIDENT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RUSH THERE.
I'VE BEEN MAYOR FOR THREE YEARS, AND WE'VE HAD ON AND OFF ATTENDANCE PROBLEMS ON ALL THE COMMITTEES, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S EXTRAORDINARY ON THE CDB.
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I JUST KNOW THAT THAT ONE IS THE LEAST GOOD TO HAVE MISSES.BUT ANYWAYS, I'M SORRY. I WANT TO FINISH.
IAN BROWN, WHO WAS RECOMMENDED FOR THE ALTERNATE POSITION YET TO BE APPROVED BY ORDINANCE, IAN BROWN IS AN ATTORNEY, AND HE'S ACTUALLY PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF CLIENTS IN THIS CHAMBER FOR VARIANCE.
I THINK HE DID A LOT WITH CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.
>> YEAH HAS BEEN COMMISSIONER.
>> THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE RICH RESOURCE OF CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY.
HERE'S A GUY THAT DOES THIS AND HAS FOR YEARS, UNDERSTANDS IT EXTREMELY WELL, AND TO THINK ABOUT HAVING HIM AND MY FIRST EXAMPLE OF RICK FARREN AS THE ENGINEER ON THE CDB, YOU JUST TOOK IT UP ANOTHER LEVEL AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS STUFF WORKS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
I RECOMMEND APPROVING THE COMMITTEE'S REQUEST TO EXPAND TO TWO ALTERNATES ON THE CDB BY ORDINANCE.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR RESOLUTION.
>> WE COULD BRING THE RESOLUTION NEXT MEETING AND THE FIRST READ NEXT MEETING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IT MAKE IT OPTION.
>> NOBODY BROUGHT THAT UP. YES.
>> OH, I'M SORRY. SHE'S THAT BEHIND YOU.
LET ME CATCH HER UP. GO AHEAD, DONNA.
>> I THINK I'M HEARING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK A RESOLUTION, BUT I'M CONFUSED WITH THE RESOLUTIONS FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T DO APPOINTMENTS BY RESOLUTION, AND THESE CHANGES REQUIRE AN ORDER.
>> THAT WAS THE QUESTION. I ASKED THE QUESTION TO REAPPOINT BY RESOLUTION.
>> ONLY IF IT'S A WEIRD SITUATION WHERE WE'RE CONVERT, LIKE REVAMPING A WHOLE COMMITTEE AND WE WANT TO CHANGE THEIR ENDING DATES OR SET IN A NEW COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE'RE APPOINTING EVERYBODY AND WE HAVE THAT WAY.
BUT WE USUALLY LIKE TONIGHT, IT'LL BE A MOTION.
>> SO WE DON'T NEED A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE TO PASS ON THE NEW MEMBERS.
THE ONLY THING WE'LL NEED AN ORDINANCE ON IS THE CHANGE SHOW FOR SECOND ALTERNATE.
>> WHEN DO WE NEED TO DO THAT?
>> I MEAN, MAYBE IF YOU TIGHTEN UP ON WHAT YOU DO FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T SHOW YOU UP, THEN MAYBE THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM, BUT THERE WAS TWO PARTS TO THAT REQUEST.
KIRK FOUND HIMSELF WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A SPLIT VOTE BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE SIX PEOPLE PRESENT, AND THEN THERE'D BE A SPLIT VOTE.
I BELIEVE HE WANTED IT WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT CERTAIN SCENARIOS WOULD BE WHEN THEY WOULD SIT, NOT EVERY TIME SOMEONE THERE'S A EMPTY SEAT.
NOW WE'VE JUST DELAYED THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE I DID NOT HEAR THAT.
WHAT I HEARD IS WE JUST SIMPLY WANT A SECOND ALTERNATE BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS FOR QUORUM PURPOSES.
>> I BELIEVE MAYBE IT WAS A OUTSIDE DISCUSSION WITH AMANDA AND MYSELF.
>> WELL, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
>> MAYBE YOU DIDN'T GET THAT FAR TO SAY AT THAT MEETING, I'M NOT SURE.
>> I'M GOING TO SUGGEST AT THIS TIME, AND IT'S SEPARATE FROM VOTING ON THE NEW MEMBERS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON IAN BROWN TODAY AS THE SECOND ALTERNATE, BUT HE WILL BRING THAT BACK IF WE ACTUALLY PASS THE ORDINANCE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR MR. KIINGSWORTH TO MOVE FORWARD ON PREPARING THE ORDINANCE.
I CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK DIRECTLY TO THE CHAIR IN THE NEXT WEEK AND CLARIFY SO THAT WE MIGHT MAKE A CHANGE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TWO READS ON THE ORDINANCE ANYWAY.
PLENTY OF TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND CHANGING IT OR TWEAKING IT IF THAT'S WHAT'S NECESSARY. YES, SIR. COME.
>> I WAS ON A COMMITTEE LONG AGO.
BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'M SURE THAT YOU ASK IS THEIR ATTENDANCE RECORD, AND THE ONES THAT WERE REAPPOINTING DID YOU GUYS TAKE?
>> YEAH AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH.
>> I WOULD GO ALONG PROBABLY WITH CANDACE AND SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES, WE'LL HAVE TWO, THREE ABSENCES.
I WOULD BE ONE THAT SAYS, HEY, IF WE CAN GET A SECOND ALTERNATE, THAT'S A, AS YOU SAID, YOU HAD A LOT OF GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A FULL STAFF.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE COMMITTEES THAT ARE OVERLOOKED THE MOST, BUT PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ARE THOSE PENSION COMMITTEES.
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THOSE GUYS DO A GREAT JOB.WE'VE GOT INCREDIBLE TALENT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTMENTS FOR OUR POLICE FORCE, OR OUR GENERAL, WORKERS SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THOSE GUYS MAKE REAL DECISIONS, AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE PAIR, THEY'RE QUALIFIED. I GUESS IS WHERE I'M GOING.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL READ THE LAST ONE.
WE ALSO RECOMMEND APPOINTMENT OF SANDER GOLDSCHMIDT SCHMIDT TO THE ARCC.
SHE WAS IN FOR HER SECOND VISIT SEEKING APPOINTMENT TO A COMMITTEE.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE ENTIRE RECOMMENDATION.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND NOW DISCUSSION.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE TABLE AND NOT THE EXTRA ONE AT THE BOTTOM.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. TO CLEAN THAT UP, WILL YOU GIVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO START WORKING ON A ORDINANCE FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF A SECOND ALTERNATE.
IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I'LL CLARIFY WITH THE CHAIR OF THE CDB AND FINALLY, AT THE READING, WE COULD HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT ORDINANCE TO OTHER COMMITTEES.
MEANING ADDING A SECOND ALTERNATE TO THE OTHER COMMITTEES.
>> IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE OPTION.
>> WE QUITE FRANKLY COULD DO THAT WITHOUT EVEN CONSULTING, WE COULD JUST DO IT.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 25-97]
THEN WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO 8A. THANK YOU.RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-97, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO DISPOSE OF TRUCK PU TWO AS A TRADE IN VEHICLE AND PURCHASE A NEW TRUCK, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KIINGSWORTH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO PURCHASE A PICKUP TRUCK.
THE TRUCK WAS BUDGETED FOR IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, AND WE ARE TRADING IN A ANOTHER VEHICLE.
IT'S BEEN MY DIRECTION TO IF WE'RE NOT HANDING THE VEHICLE DOWN, BUT SURPLUSING IT, THAT IT BE TRADED IN.
WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, WE HAD ABOUT 15 VEHICLES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD THAT HAD BEEN SURPLUSED AND NEVER MOVED.
WE HAVE BASICALLY GOT ALL OF THOSE GONE.
WE PUT THEM UP FOR AUCTION AND RELEASE THEM.
THE IDEA IS WE TRADE IN VEHICLES OR HAND DOWN VEHICLES.
WE DON'T SURPLUS VEHICLES, AND LET THEM OUT IN THE YARD.
THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL MODEL GM SPARK.
THAT THING HAD TO HAVE BEEN LIKE 15-YEARS-OLD SITTING BACK THERE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION 25 97 TO PURCHASE A TRUCK FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THE AMOUNT OF $47,000.
>> I'M MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 25 97.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> AYE, OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 25-100 ]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-100, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ADOPTING REGULATIONS FOR PAID BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL INSTRUCTORS CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN CITY PARKS, PROVIDING FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MODIFY THESE REGULATIONS, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KIINGSWORTH.>> THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED EARLIER IN THE YEAR REGARDING BUSINESSES AND POWERS.
WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR COACHES WHO USE THE BATTING CAGES PROFESSIONALLY TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO PLAY BASEBALL AND THEY GET PAID FOR IT.
WE'VE COME UP WITH A POLICY GUIDELINE, MUCH LIKE THE ONES THAT WE CAME UP FOR THE TENNIS INSTRUCTORS.
THE REGULATION WILL BE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTIVE CITY REGISTRATION.
THE REGISTRATION HAS TO BE PUBLICLY DISPLAYED, AND THE INSTRUCTOR MUST POST A CITY ISSUED SNIPE SIGN OUTSIDE OF THE BATTING CAGE BEING USED.
THE FEE WOULD BE $225,000 PLUS TAX.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A STOCK TO.
>> I SAW THAT RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW.
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THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE, SATISFACTORY TO THE CITY'S RISK MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES.THE INSTRUCTOR MUST PASS A LEVEL TWO BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH IS A NATIONAL BACKGROUND CHECK.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO COMPLETE A SEXUAL ABUSE AWARENESS TRAINING COURSE THROUGH THE ABUSE PREVENTION SYSTEMS. THE COACHES HAVE TO SIGN AND HOLD HARMLESS TO THE CITY AND THEIR STUDENTS AND GUARDIANS HAVE TO SIGN A HOLD HARMLESS WITH THE CITY, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING WE DO WITH THE TENNIS COACHES.
NO MORE THAN TWO OF THE BATTING CAGES CAN BE OCCUPIED.
BY PAID INSTRUCTION AT ONE TIME, WHICH WOULD LEAVE AT LEAST ONE OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE.
THERE'S NO RESERVATION OF THE FACILITIES AND THAT THE FACILITIES, THE TIMES IN WHICH THEY ARE USED MUST BE APPROVED AND DELINEATED BY THE ATLANTIC BEACH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
THE REGULATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO UPDATE, AND THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DENY OR REVOKE BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL INSTRUCTOR, FOR ANY REASON IT DEEMS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WELFARE, OR THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF CITY FACILITIES.
WOULD THAT, MR. MAYOR STAFFORD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 25-100.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.
>> RECOMMEND WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 25 100.
>> MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.
IF I REMEMBER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED ON THE PARKS, WOULDN'T YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS CITY MANAGER TO DO EXACTLY WHAT'S LISTED IN THIS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
>> THE DIFFERENCE IS, WE'RE ESTABLISHING AN OVERALL POLICY FOR A GROUP.
NOT AN INDIVIDUAL. JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE TENNIS INSTRUCTORS.
>> I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO.
BILL, WHEN THE MONEY WE RECEIVE FROM, WHETHER IT'S TENNIS OR POTENTIALLY THIS BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL INSTRUCTION.
WHERE'S THAT MONEY GOES? I GO BACK INTO, SAY, TENNIS COURTS OR BACK INTO THE PARKS?
>> NO, THE FEE RECHARGE IS BASICALLY JUST TO RECOVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OF PROCESSING THE APPLICATIONS.
IT'S NOT A REVENUE GENERATING ITEM.
BUT YES, IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN IT JUST GETS APPROPRIATED OUT HOWEVER THE COMMISSIONS.
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
ITEM 9A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-20 5-181,
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-25-181, introduction and First Reading]
INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA FOR FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2024, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2025, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. KIINGSWORTH.>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS OUR END OF YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT.
IT'S VERY VERY SMALL AND VERY TIGHT, SO THAT IS A GOOD THING.
WE'VE MANAGED THIS LAST YEAR TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET AND NOT HAVE TO APPROPRIATE ANY MONEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR PENSION FUNDS, THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE DO NOT BUDGET FOR THE DROP PROGRAM BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DROP AND WE DON'T BUDGET FOR UNEXPECTED RETIREMENTS.
WE HAD EXCESS REVENUES GENERATED THROUGH OUR INVESTMENT PROGRAM, SO WE'RE APPROPRIATING THE EXCESS REVENUE TO COVER THE EXPENSES DUE TO NEW EMPLOYEES AND DROPS.
WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, AND THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE NEXT TIME, THAT MIN.
STAFFORD RECOMMEND APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-25-181.
>> RECOMMEND WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 20-25-181.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.
NOT ON THIS ONE. FIRST READING, IS THAT CORRECT? WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
CITY ATTORNEY? ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
>> YES, MAYOR. JUST LIKE OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE A FILIBUSTER.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING FOR THE NEXT 4 MINUTES, I WILL ENTERTAIN THAT.
BUT I DO HAVE ONE THING, AND IT'S A QUICK ANSWER.
IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WHEN WE WENT TO THE PAID PARKING INITIALLY, WHEN WE WENT TO THE SOFTWARE, WE WERE NOT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE.
I KNOW WE USED TO HAVE LIKE A YEARLY UPDATE ON THAT.
NEXT TIME, I'D BE CURIOUS ON WHAT THE REVENUE IS THAT,
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AND I KNOW THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING LIKE THE LAMPPOST, ETC.WOULD THAT MONEY GO DIRECTLY INTO THAT THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR BUDGET? DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT I'D ALSO BE CURIOUS ABOUT THE SOFTWARE ISSUES, ETC.
THAT THEY'RE HAVING NEXT DOOR AND THE EFFECT OF THIS.
>> WELL, SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND BRITTANY CAN CORRECT ME IF SHE KNOWS.
I THINK THE REVENUE IS ROUGHLY AROUND $70,000 A YEAR.
>> FOR BEACHES TOWN CENTER FOR BOTH.
>> WE UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO DO THE LANDSCAPING, CLEAN UP DRICK.
SO IT'S ALL MAINTENANCE MONEY.
THAT'S HOW WE END UP USING? SAME THING WITH 18TH AND 19TH STREET.
>> 18TH AND 19TH STREET GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
>> I'LL HURRY UP JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE THE MAYOR A CHANCE [LAUGHTER].
>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST ONE LAST THING ON THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE HERE TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO ENFORCEMENT AND POSSIBLY PUT MORE TEETH INTO IT.
I KNOW THAT IN LOOKING AT THE SLIDE PRESENTATION, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, BUT IT HAS THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT THIS VERY CLOSELY.
YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT OWN 10, 20, 30, 40, SOME CASE, 50 RENTAL PROPERTIES AT THE BEACHES AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE RULE TO THE LETTER.
BUT IF SOMEHOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THIS CITY, WE ALL KNOW THAT MORE MONEY CAN BE MADE SHORT TERM THAN LONG TERM.
THEY'RE WATCHING AND WAITING FOR US TO KIND OF RESPOND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO JUST BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
THEN THERE'S ALSO PRIVATE HOME OWNERS THAT WOULD YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AUGUSTA RULE FAMILIAR WITH THAT IRS RULE AND RENT THEIR HOME OUT FOR FLORIDA GEORGIA WEEKEND AND MAKE A PRETTY PENNY.
JUST AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CROSS THE TS DOT S ON ENFORCEMENT ON THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> WELL, SPEAKING AT TOWN CENTER, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE FLOW BIRD APP THING? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY SOFTWARE?
>> WELL, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY WERE DISSATISFIED WITH FLOW BIRD AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO.
>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT GUY HERE.
>> THEY ESTABLISHED A DATE WHEN THEY'RE MAKING OUT THE CHANGES?
>> RADER CAMERON, BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE GOING TO T2, AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING ALL THE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE PULLING OUT THE KIOSKS, PUTTING IN NEW KIOSKS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP SIGNS TO REPLACE THE FLOW BIRD SIGNS.
THEY'RE EXPECTED, LAST I HEARD, WAS TO BE READY FOR NEXT YEAR AFTER THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
JANUARY, I WOULD EXPECT ANOTHER UPDATE FROM NEPTUNE FOR US.
>> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE WE SQUARE WITH THE BASEBALL PEOPLE NOW OR ARE WE STILL WAITING FOR MORE INFORMATION?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD MET A COUPLE OF SUNDAYS AGO, AND THEY HAVE THEY ARE GOING TO ESTABLISH A NEW LIAISON WITH THE CITY.
I HAVE A MEETING WITH TWO BOARD MEMBERS THIS WEEK, AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SEE YOU IN THE MORNING [LAUGHTER].
>> I HAVE NOTHING. I'LL SEE EVERYONE IN THE MORNING. HOLD.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TALK REALLY SLOW?
>> I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER SLOW.
>> THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO SAY.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER CITY BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS IN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.