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>> NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS AND GUESTS.
[CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME TO OUR COMMISSION MEETING.BEFORE I OPEN THE MEETING, AS IS CUSTOMARY, I'LL LEAD A INVOCATION AND PLEDGE.
IF YOU WISH TO JOIN ME, PLEASE STAND.
DEAR LORD, TONIGHT, WE ASK FOR YOUR SPENDING TIME WITH THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS IN THE BALANCE OF SERVING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.
WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US PATIENCE AND THEN GIVE US THE STRENGTH TO CARRY OUT THE WILL OF OUR CITIZENS.
WE ASK THIS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN. IF YOU'LL JOIN ME.
>> THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH DATED JANUARY 12TH, 2026, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
ADONNA, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 8TH, 2025.DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED.
BEFORE I GO TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE CLEANUP ON OUR AGENDA.
COMMISSIONERS, ITEM 8B WAS RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-07.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE WITHDRAWAL OF THAT RESOLUTION.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW AV.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT CERTAIN WE WILL BRING IT BACK OR NOT BRING IT BACK, BUT AFTER REVIEW, IT'S MY BELIEF, AND I HOPE THIS COMMISSION AGREES THAT WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE STEP INTO THE BREACH.
THAT ONE IS GOING WITH THIS VOTE, IF IT PASSES, THAT WILL BE REMOVED TODAY AND IT WILL BE DECIDED IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER WE BRING IT BACK.
FOR THE CITIZENS, I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE ENGAGEMENT WITH ICE BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
>> I THOUGHT THAT DIDN'T WE ADDRESS THIS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS? LAST YEAR. IS THIS A RENEWAL OF THAT?
>>WE ACTUALLY EXECUTED AN AGREEMENT LAST YEAR, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS BASED ON CHANGES.
AT THIS TIME, WE'RE NOT MODIFYING, SO WE WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE.
IF WE DON'T BRING IT BACK, WE WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ENGAGEMENT.
IF WE DON'T BRING IT BACK, WE'RE OUT, AND IF WE DO BRING IT BACK, WE'RE EITHER IN OR OUT DEPENDING UPON THE VOTE.
DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS THAT SHOW HOW INVOLVED OR HOW MANY TIMES THEY REQUESTED OUR ASSISTANCE AND ANY IMMIGRATION MATTER?
>>THE ANSWER TO THAT WILL. GO AHEAD.
>> THANKS. LET'S SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
MAYOR, SINCE WE DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC THIS AFTERNOON, I'VE LEARNED THAT OUR NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT END OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT.
IT JUST MEANS WE DON'T AMEND IT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE SOME REIMBURSEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
OUR EXISTING AGREEMENT THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED IN MARCH OF 2025 DOES CONTINUE TO EXIST.
>> THANKS. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION.
>> YES SIR. IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPORTS THAT WE'VE HAD THREE IMMIGRATION RELATED ENGAGEMENTS ONE DIRECTLY AS A RESULT OF OUR COMMUNICATION WITH ICE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE STATUS WISE, AND WE'LL BE PREPARED ALONG THE WAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL OR THE PUBLIC HAS ON THIS TOPIC.
>> OVER THE LAST 24 MONTHS, WE'VE HAD THREE, BUT ONLY ONE HAS BEEN INITIATED BY ICE.
>>I HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF INFORM ME WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT RIGHT,.
YOU WOULDN'T BRING IT NOW. CHIEF, JUST THAT SIMPLE QUESTION ON THE STATUS.
>> ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS WERE ALSO INITIATED.
THEY'RE ALL IN RELATION TO A VIOLATION WITHIN THE CONTACT.
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ANYWAY, VIOLATION OF STATE LAW, [INAUDIBLE] OF DEPEND CONTACTING ICE THAT PERSON WAS WANTED FOR THEM BY THEM FURTHER IMMIGRATION.>> THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS ON THIS, AND I THINK BEST RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT IS LET'S GET A LOT MORE DETAIL AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. MOTION IS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL IS UNANIMOUS. LET'S SEE.
NOW, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ITEM 8C RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-11.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED SO AND MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 26-11 AND MOVE.
>>JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, IT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE IT CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEET NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S ALL IT IS NOT AN APPROVAL.
>> OR CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT.
>> THANKS. THAT IS SOMETHING FUN FOR THE CITY.
AND FOR THE CITIZENS HERE, THAT IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN BEACHES OR JACKSONVILLE OCEANSIDE ROTARY, WHICH MEETS IN ATLANTIC BEACH TO INSTALL A PEACE POLE, WHICH IS PART OF AN INTERNATIONAL PROJECT.
THAT PEACE POLE WHEN INSTALLED WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RACKETBALL COURTS OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE SKATE PARK.
THAT WILL BE A SOLEMN PLACE FOR VISITORS, RESIDENTS TO GO AND SIT ON A PARK BENCH AND READ THE PIECE WRITINGS IN, I BELIEVE, FIVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
EACH OF THE THREE BEACH CITIES ARE INSTALLING ONE IN EACH MUNICIPALITY.
EACH OF THE THREE CITIES WAS ASKED TO IDENTIFY THOSE LANGUAGES THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE MOST PREVALENT, IMPACTFUL, WHATEVER IN THEIR CITY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU ALL THE LANGUAGES OFF MEMORY, BUT WE'VE GOT FIVE OR SIX IN THERE.
I THINK IT'LL BE A FUN ADDITION TO THE BEACH, AND AS IS OUR PRACTICE, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO UTILIZE PERMEABLE PAVERS.
DID WE VOTE ON THAT? WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED.MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.
WE'VE AMENDED THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
WE'RE MOVING TO REATHS ACROSS AMERICA PRESENTATION.WE HAVE OUR GUESTS. WELCOME. CONNIE.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME TONIGHT AND TAKE UP A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULE. I'M CONNIE CRAVEN.
I'M THE REGENT OF THE JEAN RABAT CHAPTER OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
OUR CHAPTER SERVES THE BEACHES AREA HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, AND IT'S OUR MISSION AS A SOCIETY TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, EDUCATION, AND PATRIOTISM WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS OUR 5TH YEAR AS LOCATION COORDINATOR FOR RISA CROSS AMERICA HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
RISA ACROSS AMERICA'S AN ANNUAL NATIONAL CEREMONY STARTED IN 1992, ON DECEMBER 13 OF THIS PAST YEAR, AT MORE THAN 5,598 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, OVER 3 MILLION VOLUNTEERS GATHERED AS ONE NATION TO REMEMBER, HONOR, AND TEACH.
IN ATLANTIC BEACH, OUR RESIDENTS HONORED OVER 671 VETERANS BURIED AT THE BEACHES MEMORIAL GARDEN.
REMEMBRANCE WREATHS WERE PLACED ON GRAVES.
THE VETERANS NAMES WERE SPOKEN ALOUD, AND THEY WERE HONORED FOR THEIR SERVICE, AND OUR YOUTH WERE TAUGHT THE MEANING OF HONOR AND SACRIFICE.
I COME TONIGHT TO EXTEND THE SINCERE GRATITUDE FROM THE JEAN RABAT CHAPTER TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT EVERY YEAR FOR THIS CEREMONY.
WITH YOUR HELP, WE HAD AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
EACH YEAR, WE SEE THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO GROW IN PARTICIPATION.
NOW, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE RES ACROSS AMERICA COMMITTEE MARTHA DABERY, AND PAMELA LEWIS TO COME FORWARD, AND WE WILL PRESENT CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION TO THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE INVOLVED AT THE CITY LEVEL AND FOR VOLUNTEER POLICE DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALS TO COME FORWARD.
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I'LL CALL YOUR NAME AND WHEN I DO, IF YOU COULD COME TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CERTIFICATE A RES ACROSS AMERICA TOKEN, AND YOU CAN CHOOSE A HAT OR ADVISOR, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.FIRST ONE UP IS CANDACE KELLY. [INAUDIBLE]
>> SECOND UP IS KEVIN HOGAN CAMP.
>> RECESS. THANK YOU. STAND UP HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR PICTURE JUST A SECOND.
THANK YOU. TRAVIS KENNEDY. THANK YOU. I HAVE IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MAN. JORDAN LESLIE.
THANK YOU, JONI. STEVE EDWARDS.
COME FORWARD. THERE YOU GO. JAMES JOHNSON.
TONY TAKE A QUICK PICTURE? WE MIGHT NEED TO SQUEEZE THEM AND ACT LIKE WE LIKE EACH OTHER. [INAUDIBLE].
BE GOOD. THANK YOU, CONNIE, MARTHA, PAMELA, AND ALL OF THE CONTESTANTS.
>> WE'LL MOVE NOW TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS.
TODAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNED IN?
NO. SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T HIT THE TWO MINUTE MARK.
WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH 3 MINUTES TODAY.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE.
WE'LL BE HERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF ON THAT.
BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER.
>> NO. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE HIM TO 4A.
HE FILLED THAT OUT BY MISTAKE.
HE USED TO BE CITY MANAGER, SO HE FOLLOWED THE PROTOCOL BACK THEN.
>> I KNOW, I THINK I'VE BEEN THROUGH TEN OF THEM ALREADY.
YOU KNOW WHY I'M HERE. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR STARTING THE WORK.
>> WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO THE POND? DO YOU KNOW?
>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ANSWER?
>> YES, PLEASE. ACTUALLY, WE DON'T.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
I APOLOGIZE. HE'S COMMITTING TO HER.
>> LET'S TAKE THAT OFFLINE AND TALK ABOUT IT, AND THEN BRING BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
>> A LITTLE TOO MANY PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH RUNNING THE STOP SIGNS.
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A LITTLE TOO MANY PEOPLE JUMP IN THE FENCE AND FISHING AGAIN. SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO WILL SCARBOROUGH BECAUSE I WAS WALKING MY DOG ONE MORNING, ABOUT 4:00 IN THE MORNING, STEPPED ASIDE ON THE ROAD BECAUSE SOMEBODY DROVE UP NEXT TO ME AND DONNER ROAD.
HE DROVE UP NEXT TO ME AND SAID, HEY, I THINK A GHOST WAS WALKING YOUR DOG.
I DIDN'T EVEN SEE YOU. I JUST SAW A LEASH.
WELL, HE PROCEEDED TO BUY ME A REFLECTIVE LEASH, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL HIM, THANKS.
AB POLICE ARE GREAT BECAUSE I USED TO WORK FOR THEM, AND I LOVED IT.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED. I HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, MARTY. YOU'RE WELCOME. BYE.
>> HI, EVERYBODY. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE IN YOUR AUDIENCE.
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED.
I'M ELLEN GLASSER. YOU KNOW ME.
I'VE BEEN SPENDING THE LAST WEEK DOING SOME LISTENING AND LEARNING ABOUT THE SPECIAL MEETING LAST WEEK.
RESPONDED TO MANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE CAN EASILY MOVE ON FROM, BUT WE WILL.
ULTIMATELY, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.
LET'S TRY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR MEETING WITH ME EARLIER TODAY.
I FELT HE TRULY HEARD MY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A PROCESS THAT THE WHOLE COMMISSION CAN OWN AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ATTRACT GOOD CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW.
LAST WEEK, I SPECIFICALLY READ OUR 40 YEAR MISSION.
AFTER HEARING THE MAYOR TWICE MAKE REFERENCE TO BILL'S RESIGNATION IN TERMS OF A CHANGING CITY WITH MORE SOPHISTICATED RESIDENTS AND INCREASING HOME VALUES.
I REALLY COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT I WAS HEARING QUITE HONESTLY.
DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. I KNOW MOST OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE PRETTY SOPHISTICATED.
ANYWAY, LAST WEEK, COMMISSIONER KELLY ASKED FOR SOME EXPLANATION.
GIVEN THE MYSTERY AND SUDDEN TIMING, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED ALL OF YOU TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND, YOUR DESIRE TO EXTEND COURTESY AND GRACE TO BILL, YOU CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONE TIME, AND THAT IS TO RESPECT HIM AND STILL ASK QUESTIONS.
I DO HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THAT BILL DID NOT MEET WITH THE MAYOR WITH A PLAN TO RESIGN.
NO PERFORMANCE ISSUES WERE CITED TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS ACTION DOES AFFECT ALL OF US IN TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE WAYS.
I REALLY SHUN ANY OF THE POTSHOTS THAT PEOPLE TAKE ONLINE TO MINIMIZE THE CONCERNS OF OTHERS OR TO POINT FINGERS AT ANYBODY, INCLUDING COMMISSIONER KELLY, WHO I THOUGHT, WAS WELL WITHIN HER PURVIEW TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THESE BEHAVIORS WHILE THEY MAY BE WELL INTENDED, REALLY DON'T HELP.
I GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE BY CHARTER, A COUNCIL MANAGER OR IN OUR CASE, A COMMISSIONER MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHERE THE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS AND THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T MANAGE DEPARTMENTS OR DIRECT STAFF.
OUR CITY'S VISION AND THE COMMISSION PRIORITIES ARE THE ROADMAP THAT HE OR SHE FOLLOWS.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SYNC WITH THIS REGARD, AND I THINK THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO RETENTION.
REGARDING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, I'M NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THE CHARTER LANGUAGE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR ALONG IN THIS PROCESS TO EACH MEET WITH KEVIN TO LEARN ABOUT HOW HE WOULD INTEND TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT JOB, IF SO, HOW HE WOULD FILL GAPS THAT MIGHT BE CREATED, AND REALLY WHAT HIS PHILOSOPHY IS IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
I'VE SEEN THE MANUAL THAT'S BEEN CIRCULATED FOR CITIES WITH TOOLS AND OPTIONS FOR HIRING A CITY MANAGER.
I SUPPORT HIRING AN EXECUTIVE FIRM, BUT WITH A CAUTION.
RECRUITING GOOD CANDIDATES WAS TOUGH ENOUGH LAST TIME, AND WE'LL BE MORE CHALLENGING WITH AN ELECTION COMING UP.
THE TIMING IS NOT GREAT TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF A SMALL CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
BUT ONLY IF EACH COMMISSIONER CAN DESIGNATE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM HIS OR HER DISTRICT WITH THE MAYOR MAKING AN AT LARGE SELECTION AND THESE CHOICES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO COMMISSION VOTE.
I THINK THIS IS THE LEAST LIKELY APPROACH TO BE CRITICIZED.
I'M PROUD OF OUR CITIZENS FOR COMING OUT.
IT'S ILLUMINATING TO HEAR ALL OF THEIR PERSPECTIVES.
WE LIVE IN A WONDERFUL PLACE, AND I WISH YOU GREAT GOOD LUCK IN THIS PROCESS, AND WE'LL BE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COMMISSIONER.
I'M A RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M NOT PART OF THE BRADY BUNCH, BUT I'LL TAKE THAT MONIKER.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PROMPT RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT RESOLUTION 2607 AND THE FACT THAT WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO NOT ONLY THE AMENDMENTS, BUT I HOPE ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH CURRENTLY HAS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE
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NO FEDERAL OR STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES CITIES TO ENTER INTO THESE AGREEMENTS.DOZENS OF CITIES IN OUR STATE, AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF AGENCIES IN FLORIDA, HAVE NOT SIGNED THEM DESPITE PRESSURE FROM STATE OFFICIALS.
SIMPLY PUT, IN MY OPINION, THESE AGREEMENTS ARE THREATS TO THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT PROTECT US.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THIS FURTHER, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD URGE YOU, I WOULD URGE YOU TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE AT THE AMENDMENT THAT YOU PULL TONIGHT, BUT ALSO THE AGREEMENT THAT'S IN PLACE. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I DO NOT USE THE WORD CRITICAL LIGHTLY, BUT OUR CITY STAFFING ISSUE IS NOW AT A CRITICAL CROSSROADS.
THIS CRITICAL JUNCTION HAS TO DO WITH STAFF MANNING AND AT ITS CORE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT, AND THE OTHER ONE HAS TO DO WITH CHANGE AND CONTINUITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.
BUT BASICALLY, MANAGEMENT HAS TO DO WITH INSTITUTIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS ON POLICIES AND HOW TO GET THEIR JOB DONE, WHETHER IT BE A BUSINESS, OR GOVERNMENT, OR BOY SCOUTS, WHATEVER, THERE ARE POLICIES THAT ARE MANAGED.
LEADERSHIP, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REALLY THAT WELL DEFINED IN BOOKS, BUT WE KNOW IT WHEN WE SEE.
LEADERSHIP HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE, MOTIVATING PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB.
IN AN ORGANIZATION, THERE'S DISCRETIONARY LABOR.
YOU GO TO WORK, YOU GET A PAYCHECK, BUT THOSE THAT HAVE DISCRETIONARY LABOR, THEY DO A LITTLE BIT EXTRA EVERY DAY, AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP ARE A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHAT OUR CRITICAL ISSUE IS.
NOW, THE OTHER ONE HAS TO DO WITH CHANGE AND CONTINUITY.
WE DON'T LIKE CHANGE THAT MUCH AND TO MANAGE CHANGE, YOU NEED TO HAVE A STABLE BASIS, AND THAT'S CONTINUITY.
WE ACCEPT CHANGE THAT'S PART OF OUR DAILY LIFE, BUT WE ALSO WANT CONTINUITY.
THE SUPPOSED CHANGES IN OUR DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE IMPACT ON OUR CITY, MAYBE, BUT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S BEEN CITED AS WEALTH.
THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T ADD UP WHEN YOU DO THAT BECAUSE THE WEALTH PART OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS IS RELATIVELY MINIMAL.
I SUBMIT THAT THIS RELATIVE SMALL CHANGE IS AGAINST CONSIDERATION OF OUR POPULATION, DOESN'T MEET THE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CHANGE.
WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER AND COMMISSION GOVERNOR, AS MAYOR LASH MENTIONED, THE GREAT PART ABOUT THAT IS EVERY TWO YEARS, WE GET TO CHANGE.
THE COMMISSION CHANGES EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT THE STAFF DOESN'T, FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES, WE NEED A STAFF THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE, IS WELL ORGANIZED, KNOW THE JOB.
THE COMMISSION, THROUGH WE, THE PEOPLE, MANAGES THE LEADERSHIP.
WE GET TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS, TELL THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT WE WANT.
COMMISSIONERS, TELL THE CITY MANAGER, THE STAFF DOES YOUR JOB.
WE HAVE LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT AND CHANGE AND CONTINUITY WITH OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE KEVIN HOGAN CAMP, WHO'S BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME.
HE IS BOTH A LEADER AND A MANAGER.
IT'D BE SIMPLE FOR US TO SAY, KEVIN, YOU'RE A NEXT CITY MANAGER.
AMANDA ASK YOU, IF YOU CAN TAKE KEVIN'S JOB TOMORROW, AND WE WOULD HAVE NO CHANGE.
WE'D HAVE LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT ALREADY IN PLACE WITHOUT SPENDING ANY MONEY FOR ANY TIME. THANK YOU, MR. G.
>> HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS INGRID MCCAULEY.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 30 YEARS AND PROBABLY ONLY THE SECOND TIME THAT I'VE EVER ADDRESSED YOU GUYS.
BEAR WITH ME I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH COMMISSION.
I KNOW THIS IS REGARDING AN AGENDA THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE TODAY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I FOUND IMPORTANT.
PLEASE RECONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO RENEW THE CITY'S AGREEMENT WITH DHS TO SUPPORT ICE AND ITS IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES.
IN LIGHT OF VERY RECENT TRAGIC EVENTS IN OUR COUNTRY, NAMELY MINNEAPOLIS, REGARDING THE USE OF FORCE BY FEDERAL ICE AGENTS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT OUR CITY,
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VERY CAREFULLY RECONSIDER ANY RESOLUTION TO RENEW A COLLABORATION WITH ICE, A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT SEEMS SOMEWHAT UNTRAINED AND IN SOME CASES ACTS AND IN ILLEGAL MANNER, DISREGARDING DUE PROCESS OF LAW THAT IS MANDATED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.SORRY. THE USE OF MASKS ALONE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TRUST THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS HAVE FORMED WITH POLICE OFFICERS OVER MANY YEARS.
MASKED LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS ARE DETRIMENTAL TO CITIES BECAUSE THEY ERODE PUBLIC TRUST, HINDER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MISCONDUCT, CREATE FEAR AND CONFUSION, RISK, MISTAKEN IDENTITY BY OTHER OFFICERS, AND FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT RESEMBLING A SECRET POLICE STATE, UNDERMINING COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONS AND EFFECTIVE POLICING.
THESE TACTICS PREVENT CITIZENS FROM IDENTIFYING OFFICERS, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO REPORT ABUSES, AND CAN LEAD TO DANGEROUS MISIDENTIFICATION BY THE PUBLIC OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ULTIMATELY HARMING BOTH COMMUNITY SAFETY AND OFFICER SAFETY.
PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE THESE FACTS INTO CONSIDERATION IF AND WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO RECONSIDER THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY'S AGREEMENT WITH DHS TO SUPPORT ICE AND ITS IMMIGRATION INFORMA ACTIVITIES.
THANK YOU. AGAIN, MY NAME IS INGRID MCCAULEY.
I LIVE AT 3:40 54 STREET FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND ATLANTIC BEACH IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
WE DON'T NEED TO MESS IT OUT. THANK YOU.
>> I'M ALSO SPEAKING SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NOW REMOVED.
I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND THINKING THROUGH THAT MORE, AND I THINK THE TIMING OF THAT REMOVAL OR THAT BEING ON THE AGENDA IS CERTAINLY PRETTY SENSITIVE RIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO READ WHAT I PREPARED ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, AND IT'LL RESONATE FOR YOU WHEN YOU DO DECIDE TO BRING IT UP OR NOT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT AS A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF THE BEACHES.
MY NAME IS ALLEY HALL, AND I WANT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO RESOLUTION 20 607 THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OFF.
IT WHAT IT AUTHORIZES MATTERS? IT'S NOT JUST PROCEDURAL, AND I UNDERSTAND NOW, WHICH I'LL BE HONEST, I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS WAS ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WAS IN PLACE TO A DEGREE IN MARCH, BUT I WANT TO SHOW OTHERS THAT I'M STILL COMING UP HERE AND YOU GUYS THAT THERE'S A PRETTY BIG GROUP HERE THAT CARES ABOUT OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITY.
WHEN LOCAL POLICE ARE ASKED TO STEP INTO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITY CHANGES, TRUST CHANGES.
THE QUESTION SHIFTS FROM, WILL I BE HELPED IF I NEED IT, TO IS IT SAFE FOR ME TO INTERACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AT ALL? ATLANTIC BEACH, ALONG WITH NEPTUNE BEACH AND JACKSONVILLE BEACH, IS A SMALL CONNECTED COMMUNITY.
WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON KNOWING OUR NEIGHBORS, ON SAFETY AND ON TRUST.
POLICIES LIKE THIS DON'T JUST LIVE ON PAPER, AND THEY AFFECT THE WAY PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT GOING TO WORK, SENDING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, CALLING THE POLICE WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG, SOMEONE GETTING HURT AT A NEW DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
WE'RE ALREADY LIVING IN A MOMENT NATIONALLY, WHERE FEAR AND DIVISION ARE HIGH.
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SOLVING HERE, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THIS IS SOMEWHAT AN AMENDMENT TOO.
IN MY MIND, I COULD ALREADY PICTURE THE IMPACT, THERE'S LIKE A GROUP OF BROWN MEN WORKING ON A NEW HOME BUILT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND SOMEONE GETS HURT, AND IN A COMMUNITY WHERE LOCAL POLICE ARE AUTHORIZED TO ACT IN AN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT LAW.
NOW THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS THIS AN EMERGENCY? SHOULD I CALL FOR HELP? AM I GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN GET MY WHOLE CREW THAT I LOVE AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOREVER, LIKE IN TROUBLE HERE.
THAT HESITATION DOESN'T MAKE ANYBODY SAFER AND IT PUTS PEOPLE AT RISK AND UNDERMINES THE TRUST THAT LOCAL POLICING DEPENDS ON.
NO ONE WANTS THIS HERE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT NOT TO CREATE DIVISION, BUT TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND TO DEFEND BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
APPARENTLY, I GET PRETTY LIT UP ABOUT TENNIS AND HUMAN RIGHTS. THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED TO GO.
ATLANTIC BEACH SHOULD GO VIRAL FOR OUR FARMERS' MARKETS, OUR TENNIS PLAYERS, AND OUR TURTLE HATCHLINGS, NOT FOR EXPANDING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT INTO LOCAL POLICING.
THERE'S A REASON THE SWIM DOWN WORKS IN FINDING NEMO.
WE'RE ALL HERE AS A COLLECTIVE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING AN IMPACT AS A WHOLE COMMUNITY AND NOT TURNING ON EACH OTHER.
LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY I WANT SAFETY, I BELIEVE IN SAFETY.
I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY.
IF THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB WELL, THEN WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT ASKING THEM TO TAKE ON A ROLE THAT UNDERMINES THE TRUST THAT WE DEPEND ON WITH THEM.
I DON'T WANT TO BRING ANY MORE DIVISION TO A COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY HAS SOME, WE CAN CHOOSE A PATH THAT REFLECTS OUR VALUES HERE, WHICH IS COMPASSION, DIGNITY, AND COMMUNITY CARE.
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>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND STAFF.
I'M MAKING A MONTHLY QUICK REPORT.
IT WILL NOT BE THE 30 MINUTE ONE LIKE THE LAST ONE ON THE ACTIONS AND ACTIVITIES OF THE ESC.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.
WE'LL BE ELECTING OFFICERS IN TWO DAYS, AND WE WELCOME THE COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND THAT OR ANY MEETING ANY TIME OF THE YEAR.
WE HAVE HAD SOME ATTENDEES THIS PAST YEAR AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE THE EXCHANGE WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS A BIT BETTER.
WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING THAT WE KNOW A LOT IS GOING ON, BUT THE CHAPTER 23 WORKSHOP THAT'S BEEN IN LIMBO FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
WE WERE TOLD WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN FEBRUARY, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DATE YET, SO WE'RE HOPING WE GET A DATE TO FINALIZE THOSE CHANGES WHICH ARE LONG OVERDUE AND HAVE BEEN REVIEWED EXTENSIVELY BY CITY STAFF AND BY OUR MEMBERS, AND BY THE COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO ARE HOPING TO SOON GET THE PRIORITIES WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE ESC FOR 26/27.
WE WERE HOPING TO DO THAT LAST YEAR, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN IN MARCH.
AGAIN, AROUND THE CORNER, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT ONTO THE CALENDAR, PLEASE.
FINALLY, WE'LL BE SENDING A TREE TRUST FUND REQUEST SHORTLY.
THAT TRUST FUND, OF COURSE, MANY OF YOU KNOW IS FILLED BY FOLKS WHO ARE ELECTING NOT TO REPLANT OR TO CUT DOWN TREES.
WE HAVE MITIGATION THAT WE USE AROUND THE CITY TO HELP REFOREST OR IMPROVE THE CANOPY.
WE HAVE A STATE OF THE CANOPY REPORT, WE HAVE TREE PLANTINGS AND PARKS, AND A VARIETY OF LINE ITEMS FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, AND THAT SPENDING PLAN, WHICH WAS, I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND CRITICAL IN ANY WAY, BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, AND SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ACT VERY MUCH BECAUSE IT STILL HASN'T HASN'T MADE IT TO YOU YET.
WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT HAPPENS SOON BECAUSE IT DOES PREVENT US FROM TAKING A NUMBER OF ACTIONS, AND THAT'S IT, BUT WE'RE DOING WELL, AND EXCEPT FOR THE TREES, WHICH ARE NOT, WE'RE LOSING QUITE A BIT, BUT OTHERWISE, THE ESC IS DOING WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AS ALWAYS.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONER, CITY ATTORNEY, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND CITY MANAGER B, AND MY FELLOW CITIZENS.
FIRST, BEFORE I GET INTO WHAT I WANTED TO WHAT I CAME HERE TO DISCUSS.
I'M GOING TO EXPRESS MY ADMIRATION TO MISS MCCAULEY AND TO MISS HALL FOR BRINGING THEIR CONCERNS, MANY CITIZENS BEFORE YOU TO BE CAREFUL AND COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE A VERY SAFE COMMUNITY.
I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN THIS UNCERTAIN TIME, AND IT WOULD BEHOOVE US ALL TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT BEING SAID, MAYOR GLASSER, I CONCUR WITH HER, AND I WILL NOT BE REDUNDANT.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT.
I SENT A LETTER TO ALL OF YOU TODAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO PLEASE PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I WANT TO READ THAT INTO THE RECORD RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE BREVITY OF TIME.
I DO NOT WANT TO REVISIT THE RESIGNATION OF OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER, BUT I DO REQUEST THAT THIS COMMISSION PUBLICLY REVISIT THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FORMER CITY MANAGER.
CONSIDERABLE SUSPICION, SKEPTICISM, AND MISTRUST AS TO THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS WAS HANDLED.
I AM PERPLEXED THAT WHEN TRANSPIRED ON JANUARY 5TH AND 6TH.
AT THE TIME THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH MENTIONED HIS INTENTION TO RESIGN.
THEREFORE, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SUGGEST THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH SUBMIT HIS LETTER OF RESIGNATION TO THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER ACTION TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMISSION MEETING,
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WHICH HAPPENS TO BE TONIGHT.AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSION COULD HAVE MADE THE DECISION AS TO HOW TO PROCEED AND DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT A SEPARATION AGREEMENT, ACCORDING TO THE TERMS AS DECIDED BY THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.
IT APPEARS THAT IN HIS EFFORT TO HELP THE CITY MAY AFFORD ITS ROLE IN THE RESIGNATION OF MR. KILLINGSWORTH EXCEEDED THE AUTHORITY GRANTED HIM IN OUR CITY'S CHARTER.
I REQUEST THAT, FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS OF OUR CITY CHARTER AND THE ORDINANCES, ALL OF YOU HAVE SWORN TO PERFORM THAT YOU MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE ACTION THAT YOU TOOK LAST WEEK AT THE SPECIAL MEETING AND ALLOW OUR COMMISSION TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE SEVERABILITY AGREEMENT.
THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. AS MISS KELLY MENTIONED, WHAT'S GOING ON? PLEASE BY DOING THIS, YOU WILL BRING TRANSPARENCY BACK TO THIS EFFORT, AND I THINK IT WILL LOWER THE CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, COUNSEL JASON, OUR NEW INTERIM HOPE POLICE CITY MANAGER, AND CITIZENS.
MY NAME IS CAROLYN ZISSER, AND MY ADDRESS IS OF RECORD.
I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND AS AN ATTORNEY WITH MORE THAN 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOT REPEAT WHAT MAYOR GLASSER SAID, OR DON WOLFSON SAID, BUT I AGREE WITH 100% OF WHAT THEY HAVE SAID.
I HAVE READ BOTH OF THEIR LETTERS, AND I AGREE WITH 100% OF WHAT IS IN THEIR LETTERS.
I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ANNIE ALI HALL AND MISS MCCAULEY FOR WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT ICE.
ICE DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND LET'S NOT GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
NOW, TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, AS WELL.
THE OVERRIDING THEME IN HIRING THE NEW CITY MANAGER IS TO FOLLOW THE CHARTER AND REAFFIRM THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A COMMISSIONER OF ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS, NO ONE HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, AND A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WITH THE EXECUTIVE BEING THE CITY MANAGER.
NOW, I'M REQUESTING, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONER REQUEST THIS THAT WE HAVE THE CHARTER PUT ON THE BOARD, SO THAT WE CAN REFER TO THE CHARTER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL BE RELEVANT FOR OTHER TALKS.
IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT WOULD BE PROTOCOL TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE DOING THAT, AS WELL AS MY LETTER THAT I SENT YESTERDAY TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, BE A PART OF THE RECORD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE, AND I CAN ONLY SUMMARIZE NOW MY LETTER TO THE COMMISSIONERS DATED JANUARY 11 AT ABOUT 10:00 IN THE MORNING AND REQUEST THAT I'VE ALREADY REQUESTED THAT IT BE ON THE RECORD.
TO SUMMARIZE MY LETTER, I REQUEST THAT THERE'S SIX POINTS IN MY SUMMARY.
NUMBER 1, THAT KEVIN HOGAN CAMP, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 24 OF THE CHARTER, I WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THE CHARTER ABOVE US.
BE APPOINTED AS ACTING CITY MANAGER AS THE CHARTER PROVIDES.
SECOND, HIRE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM SPECIALIZED IN FILLING MUNICIPAL EXECUTIVE POSITIONS.
THAT'S AN INVESTMENT IN OUR FUTURE AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN EXPENSE.
THIRD, FORM A CITY MANAGER INTERVIEW COMMITTEE.
A SHORT LIST TO INTERVIEW THE SHORT LIST OF CANDIDATES FROM THE SEARCH FIRM, COMPRISED IN PART OF ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH DISTRICT, SELECTED SOLELY BY EACH COMMISSIONER.
THE MAYOR PRO TEM SHOULD BE THE HEAD OF THE [OVERLAPPING].
THAT IS WHY I APPRECIATE MY LETTER BEING A PART OF THE RECORD, MY FULL LETTER. THANK YOU.
>> HAD THIS MORE AND MORE. I'LL KEEP THIS SHORT.
UNLIKE MISS EX-MAYOR GLASSER, ZISSER,
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WILSON, I'M NOT GOING TO LECTURE YOU ON WHAT'S RIGHT OR WHAT'S WRONG, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IS WHAT I SEE.I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK ATTENDING A FLOOD HAS TO GO FLOODED, SO I DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
I GOT HOME LAST NIGHT, READY TO BE THE BEACH'S LEADER AND TOOK SOME INTEREST IN IT.
HERE'S MY TAKE. I HAVE FOUND THE, I GUESS, THE LAST CITY MANAGER TO BE A VERY LIABLE APPEARING GUIDE.
HOWEVER, I FOUND IT TO BE TOTALLY UNENGAGED.
I OFTENTIMES WHO RIGHT CITY OFFICIALS AND EVERY OTHER CITY MANAGER, ESPECIALLY MR. HOGAN CAMP, RESPONDED TO ME.
IT MAY BE A BRIEF RESPONSE, MAYBE A BLOW OFF, AT LEAST SOME RESPONSE.
THIS GUY, HE WAS NOT THERE THAT I EVER SAW.
HIS APPROACH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE CITY TO MY POINT OF VIEW.
NO REFLECTION ON HIM, HE APPEARS TO BE A VERY ULTIMATE PROFESSIONAL.
SEEMS LIKE HE WOULD BE SUITED TO A LARGER CITY ENVIRONMENT.
ON THE SUBJECT, PERHAPS MISS KELLY MAY HAVE SOME VAGUE RECOLLECTION OF GOVERNMENT AND UNSIGNED RULES.
AS I RECOLLECT, IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE RULES, YOU CAN GO TO JAIL.
I WOULD THINK AFTER SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OF CITY COUNCIL, MISS KELLY WOULD KNOW THAT.
YOU ONLY CAN TALK BUSINESS IN A COLLECTIVE FORUM LIKE THIS HERE. THANK YOU.
>> I AGREE. MR. HOGAN CAMP SHOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER.
>> HI. I'M MOLLY MITCHELL DANZIGER, MARRIED LEGALLY.
I TOO WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE ICE ISSUE.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE TABLED THAT FOR NOW.
I CAN'T SAY STRONGLY ENOUGH HOW I AGREE WITH MISS BRADY, HOW YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ALL AGREEMENTS WITH ICE.
NOW I'M GOING TO GO INTO WHAT I PLAN TO SAY BEFORE I KNEW THE ITEM HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY OFF THE AGENDA.
I AM HERE TO VOICE MY FULL THROATED OPPOSITION TO SIGNING ANY TYPE OF MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, ALLOWING FOR AN ACTIVE ICE PRESENCE IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT HAS BECOME CLEAR, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY, THAT MEMBERS OF ICE ACT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PROTOCOLS AND TRAINING.
THEY BRING VIOLENCE AND DIVISIVENESS TO THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY ARE PRESENT.
THIS GOES BEYOND ALL NECESSARY LAW ENFORCEMENT NORMS AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN OUR BELOVED CITY.THANK YOU.
>> CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, LAGOY?
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JULIE LAGOY.
I'M A HOMEOWNER HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO PLEASE RE EVALUATE EVERY AGREEMENT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH HAS WITH ICE, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT WANT ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE TO WORK AS AGENTS OF ICE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MISS LAGOY. THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT SOME OF MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS HERE HAVE SAID REGARDING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ICE.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT IN ANY WAY.
I AM THANKFUL THAT YOU TOOK IT OFF THE AGENDA TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REEVALUATE EVERY EXISTING RELATIONSHIP AND AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.
I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, ATTORNEY.
KEVIN. FIRST, THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD, FOR REACHING OUT AND SPEAKING TO ME THIS MORNING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY HEAR EACH OTHER AT TIMES LIKE THIS, AND THERE IS A STRONG COMMUNITY CARE ABOUT BOTH THE ICE ISSUE AND ABOUT THE RESIGNATION OF OUR CITY MANAGER.
I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE LATTER.
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I DID SEND A LETTER, WHICH I WOULD ALSO REQUEST TO BE PART OF THE RECORD, ASKING FOR A FEW THINGS VERY RESPECTFULLY, THAT WE FOLLOW OUR CHARTER, WE INSTALL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THE INTERIM AND HE NEEDS TO BE COMPENSATED APPROPRIATELY FOR BOTH JOBS.WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT OUR SEARCH CRITERIA INCLUDES THE ELEMENTS OF OUR MISSION, OF OUR CITY'S MISSION, SO THAT THE NEXT CITY MANAGER UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, AND HAS FULL CLARITY.
THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE, AND REALLY WE'RE OUR SPIRIT IS OF PRESERVATION OF OUR TREES, OUR CANOPY IS OUR WETLANDS, AND WE'VE VOTED ON THIS RECENTLY.
IN ADDITION, I AGREE WITH THE CURRENT PLAN, HOPEFULLY, TO EMPLOY A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH CONSULTANT.
IT IS GOING TO GET HARDER AND HARDER AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF CITY MANAGERS.
THE CITIZEN SEARCH COMMITTEE, I THINK, IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO ASSESS THE INTERFACE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER DOES THAT ALL THE TIME.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE JOHN Q CITIZEN AT LEAST HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD AND BE FAIR ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY COME FROM IN OUR CITY.
FINALLY, WE WANT RESILIENCY TO BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR CITY, AND IN ADDITION, IT'S OUR REAL EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHEN ESC CAME UP FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
WE LIVE IN SUCH AN AMAZING TOWN, AND YET WE NEED TO PRESERVE IT.
I DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT MAYOR WOLFSON SAID ABOUT REVISITING THE VOTE.
I THINK SOME OF YOU VOTED IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING AND MAYBE REGRET IT BECAUSE YOU WERE MAYBE TRYING TO HELP BILL, BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO MOVE ON, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE CLOSURE AS TO WHAT HAPPENS, AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ENSURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU.
>> HELLO, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A FAIRLY NEW RESIDENT AND HOMEOWNER HERE, AND I DO ALWAYS SAY TO EVERYBODY, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF PARADISE, AND I'VE LIVED IN SOME NICE AREAS, ALSO, BUT THIS IS REALLY A NICE AREA, AND I TO WANT TO CONSERVE IT.
I DO NOT AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OTHER THAN THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE, PERFORM POLICE DUTIES, AND CONTROL POLICE FACILITIES SUCH AS ICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED TO BE A TRUSTWORTHY GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD RESCIND OR TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT COLLABORATION WITH ICE.
I AGREE WITH CAROL BRADY, JULIE LAGOY, NANCY STOTTS, AND ALL THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS REGARDING THIS MATTER.
>> THAT YOU, MAYOR, YOU CAN'T HEAR ANYMORE.
>> I'M SURE SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE IT IF I COULDN'T SPEAK.
>> I WANT TO COVER THE MAIN TOPIC TONIGHT IS THE PROCEDURE TO HOW TO GET A NEW CITY MANAGER.
WHAT I'M GOING TO JUST SUGGEST, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, BUT A SUGGESTION.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE NICE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT AFTER THE CLOSING OF THE JOB, THAT ALL THOSE THAT APPLIED WOULD HAVE THEIR FIRST REVIEW BY ALL OF THE SEVEN FORMER MAYORS OF ATLANTIC BEACH WHO HAS HAD EXPERIENCES WITH CITY MANAGERS, UNDERSTANDS THE PROS AND THE CONS.
THEN IF SOMEBODY SUGGESTED A COMMITTEE FROM THE COMMUNITY, THAT'D BE FINE.
BRING THEM IN ON THE SECOND, BUT I THINK THOSE MAYORS COULD HELP YOU, AND WE HAVE A SEVEN STILL LIVING TODAY.
I WOULDN'T WAIT TOO LONG IN CASE YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS APPLICATIONS.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE OR NOT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM TO GET A GOOD CITY MANAGER IS HAVING TO LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
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NOW, WE ALL WANT SOMEBODY TO LIVE HERE, BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE OUR CHIEF.WE DON'T REQUIRE A NEW DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE DO NOT REQUIRE.
HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, NOT TO SHARE MY FINANCES.
BUT YES, I COULD SELL MY HOUSE TOMORROW, MAKE A GOOD PROFIT, BUT I COULDN'T MOVE BACK HERE BECAUSE I COULDN'T AFFORD IT.
TO GET A MANAGER, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO RECRUIT AND STEAL A GOOD ONE FROM ANOTHER CITY, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO COME HERE TO GIVE UP THEIR HOUSE IF THEY LIVE WITHIN THE FACILITY CLOSE BY? UNTIL THEY WERE HERE FOR TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS.
WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO COMMIT? EVEN IF THEY CAME HERE TO RENT, IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT CHEAP.
WE'VE HAD THREE CITY MANAGERS IN THE LAST THREE THAT WERE RENTERS.
IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T RENT.
I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE ON THE NEXT ELECTION IF THE TIME HASN'T RUN OFF TO PUT IT ON AS A CITY AGENDA FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN AND UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHAT TO DO.
LAST, I WANT TO COVER REAL QUICK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ALTERNATES.
PLEASE RETHINK THAT IF YOU'RE THINK OF VOTING FOR THAT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT ANOTHER ONE.
BUT MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALSO AS A FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT MANY OF THEM WERE VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY GOT AN ALTERNATE, OR IT WAS EVEN HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO APPLY TO AUDIT BECAUSE THEY NEVER GOT TO SIT ON THE DIAS DURING SESSION.
THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO SIT UP THERE IF THERE WASN'T A QUORUM.
HOW DO WE TRAIN THESE PEOPLE TO DO THE JOB? IF WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO SIT IN AN EMPTY SEAT? THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND I THINK THAT'S BY THE CITY.
LAST, I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE IMMIGRATION TOPIC.
I'M I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME A PRIVILEGE, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE SOME OTHER PEOPLE GOT.
>> BUT COMMISSIONERS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ANOTHER MINUTE?
I KNEW THAT BRUCE SAID, I DON'T NEED TO TELL THIS.
>> THE ANSWER IS NO TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU.
>> I'LL BE BACK. WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED THAT ON THE LAST MEETING WHERE YOU DIDN'T SPEAK. I'M TEASING.
>> NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL, PENNY RUCKUS, 18 70 SHERRY DRIVE NORTH.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS TO SAY: MR. KILLINGSWORTH RESIGNED.
NOW, YOUR NEED TO KNOW ALL OF THE REASONS WHY HE DID REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, EXCEPT YOUR NEED TO KNOW.
BY BRINGING THIS UP AGAIN AND RE-VOTING, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE DOING IS TAKING THE ABILITY TO POSSIBLY HURT MR. KILLINGSWORTH.
HE'S GOT A LOVELY PACKAGE THAT HE HAS NEGOTIATED.
HE WILL GO TO WHEREVER HE'S GOING TO GO AND BRING IT BACK UP, YOU'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM THE TOP OF THE PRESIDE THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES SAYING THAT WE HANDLE THIS IN THE BEST WAY TO ON THE TOP OF THE HEAP OF THE MUD-PILE.
I DON'T THINK THIS CITY NEEDS IT.
I DON'T THINK THESE COMMISSIONERS NEED IT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NEEDS IT.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD, LET'S DO OUR JOB AND MAKE THIS CITY THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
IT'S A SPENT COST, AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, MAKE IT QUICK.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER.
I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY AFFABLE, ALWAYS WILLING TO TALK TO EVERYONE.
AS A FORMER CITY MANAGER, NOW, HE WANTS TO RESIGN, NOT BE TERMINATED, AND IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN THREE VOTES TO TERMINATING.
HE APPARENTLY HAS A BETTER OFFER SOMEWHERE ELSE AND ASKED TO GET OUT NOW.
THIS IS A DEAL WHERE I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE PROBLEMS, LIKE LAST FEBRUARY 24, WHEN WE HAD A WHOLE MESS OF PEOPLE COME UP HERE. A WHOLE GROUP.
WE'RE VERY CRITICAL OVER HIM TERMINATING A DEPARTMENT HEAD.
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THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE HE IS NOT GOING TO BE A FRIVOLOUS INDIVIDUAL.I'VE LEARNED THAT AFTER GETTING TO KNOW HIM AND HE'S NOT GOING TO TERMINATE SOMEBODY UNLESS IT REALLY IS A MALFUNCTION WITHIN THE OPERATION OF THE CITY.
HE GOT BEAT UP OVER THE ESC AND DROPPING THE MEMBERSHIP DOWN, WHEN, IN FACT, IT ACTUALLY HELPED THEM BE ABLE TO MEET QUORUM AND GETTING SOMETHING DONE BY HAVING FEWER MEMBERS ON THEIR BOARD, AND IT WAS A PLUS FOR THE ESC.
THEY'RE STILL FUNCTIONING JUST FINE.
THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MANY BOARDS, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE NOW WITH FEWER MEMBERS SHOWING UP.
THE CONTENTIOUS ISSUE OF A WATER LINE OVER TO THE NEPTUNE BEACH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT HE WAS THE ONE THAT KNOWS ALL THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WAS RIDICULOUS THAT HE WAS BEING CRITICIZED FOR, WHEN, IN FACT, NOBODY BOTHERED TO CHECK THAT YOU CAN GOOGLE.
THERE'S OVER 120 WELLS WITH JEA, AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT PULLING WATER OUT OF ONE OF OURS TO SEND IT ON A POSSIBLE FIRE THAT MIGHT OCCUR.
FOR THAT MATTER, IF THEY NEEDED WATER OTHERWISE, AND WE COULD BILL THEM FOR IT, WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING WATER.
JUST TO GO AND POINT OUT THAT EVERYBODY GETS UP HERE WITH TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS AND WANTS TO FRY THE CITY MANAGER, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY SHOW UP HERE TO WORK IN THIS CITY WITH THAT TYPE OF CONTENTION ON ANY ISSUE? MY HAT'S OFF TO KEVIN TO WANT TO EVEN SIT IN.
THIS IS A DEAL WHERE YOUR SURVIVABILITY IS AN EMPLOYEE GOES DOWN, THE HIGHER UP YOU GO AND STAFF. GOOD LUCK.
>> GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS, CITY STAFF, AND MAYOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS OUT OF TOWN LAST WEEK WHEN THE SPECIAL EMERGENCY MEETING OCCURRED, BUT I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT ON THE VIDEO.
LIKE MANY OF THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE, I TOO WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE SUDDEN AND MYSTERIOUS RESIGNATION OF OUR CITY MANAGER.
I HAD READ ALL OF HIS REVIEWS, AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS DOING A GOOD JOB.
I'M AT A LOSS TO KNOW WHY HE WOULD DECIDE TO RESIGN.
I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS TO BE MORE TO THIS.
I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT COMMISSIONER KELLY TRIED TO PUSH TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED.
WHAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE TAKING NOW? HAS IT ACTUALLY CHANGED? IF SO, WHO CAUSED THE CHANGE AND WAS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? FEEL LIKE THE CITY MANAGER WAS HERE FOR ONLY TWO YEARS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY HAS EVOLVED THAT MUCH IN TWO YEARS FROM WHEN HE WAS ORIGINALLY HIRED.
THAT WAS IN SUPPORT OF RESILIENCY FOR THE CITY, FOLLOWING THE CITY VISION AND ALSO FOLLOWING THE MISSION.
IF OUR NEW DIRECTION IS BASICALLY FOR SOPHISTICATION AND WEALTH IN THIS COMMUNITY, AGAIN, I'M BAFFLED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT FITS INTO OUR VISION AND OUR MISSION STATEMENT FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I FEEL LIKE ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE IRONED OUT.
I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID WE NEED TO MOVE ON AND NOT WORRY ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY NEW, WE HAVE TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT DIRECTION THE CITY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE.
WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO? IS IT ABOUT SUPPORTING WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME IN AND LEVEL ALL OF OUR TREES AND BUILD ATLANTIC BEACH STORAGE BOXES AROUND THE CITY? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO TAKE.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF LOOKING AT WHO THE NEXT CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO BE.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE LETTERS THAT I WROTE TO ALL OF YOU, I FEEL LIKE AN OUTSIDE RESEARCH FIRM FOR GETTING GOOD CANDIDATES WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT FROM ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT KEVIN IS SITTING IN THAT SEAT.
I THINK HE'S PROBABLY AS QUALIFIED AS ANYBODY TO BE IN THAT ROLE, AND I WISH YOU LUCK, KEVIN.
THEN I ALSO THINK THAT THE VISION AND THE MISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE CLARITY AS WE'RE DOING THIS HIRING PROCESS.
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I JUST WOULD ASK FOR TRANSPARENCY IN THIS CITY.>> THANK YOU, MISS BECKENBACH.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND FOR THE WORK YOU DO ON BEHALF OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M HERE QUICKLY TO SUMMARIZE A RECENT PROGRESS PETITION COMPILED BY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON AND AROUND SHERRY DRIVE.
THIS IS VERY RECENT, SO SOME OF YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YET.
BUT I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT WE APPRECIATE THE CITY'S CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN SAFETY.
THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS MADE ALONG SHERRY DRIVE IN 2018 WERE AN IMPORTANT STEP.
THEY VERY CLEARLY REFLECT A SHARED VALUE, JUST PROTECTING PEOPLE, WALKING, AND BIKING TO SCHOOL FOR KIDS.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS HOW WE CAN BUILD ON THAT PROGRESS.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE OBSERVED A CONSISTENT PATTERN ON SHERRY DRIVE THAT INCLUDES SPEEDING, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING, DISTRACTED DRIVING, AND INCREASING TRUCK TRAFFIC.
MOST RECENTLY, A DISTRACTED DRIVER, MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT A DISTRACTED DRIVER VEERED ACROSS THE LANES IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND ENDED UP CRASHING INTO TREES ADJACENT TO OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
THE TREES PROTECTED THEIR HOME, AND HIS CAR WAS TOTALED.
IT THANKFULLY WASN'T WORSE THAN THAT.
BUT THAT'S PRETTY WELL KNOWN ON SHERRY, WHAT RECENTLY HAPPENED.
BUT TODAY, SHERRY, AS A CORRIDOR, IT RELIES ON ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT ALONE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO CHANGE DRIVER BEHAVIOR WITH JUST THAT LAYER.
WHAT THIS PETITION IS IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT, OF COURSE, BLAME OR BEING ANTI-CAR.
IT'S ABOUT ALIGNING THE DESIGN OF SHERRY DRIVE WITH THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO FUNCTION, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET WHERE PEOPLE CAN CROSS SAFELY, KIDS CAN WALK AND BIKE TO SCHOOL, AND DRIVER SPEEDS ARE PREDICTABLE, APPROPRIATE, AND COMMANDS THE CONSTANT ATTENTION OF THE DRIVER.
OBVIOUSLY IS NOT THE CASE WITH ALL DRIVERS RIGHT NOW.
TODAY, SHERRY DRIVE CURRENTLY HAS NO PHYSICAL SPEED MANAGEMENT FEATURES FROM AHERN TO PLAZA.
WITHOUT THOSE CUES, EVEN THE BEST-INTENTIONED DRIVERS TEND TO DRIVE FASTER THAN INTENDED.
WHAT IT IS IS HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESPONDING TO ROADWAY DESIGN.
IF IT FEELS LIKE YOU CAN DRIVE FAST, PEOPLE INTRINSICALLY WILL DO IT.
AGAIN, REFERRING BACK TO THIS PETITION, RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR BUILT AND PROVEN TRAFFIC CALMING TOOLS, THINGS LIKE SPEED HUMPS, RAISED CROSSWALKS, CURB EXTENSIONS OR SIMILAR MEASURES THAT PHYSICALLY REINFORCE SAFE SPEEDS.
THESE SEASONED IDEAS ARE ALREADY BEING USED THROUGHOUT DUVAL AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON PLACES LIKE EUNICE ROAD AND ANISTON ROAD.
AGAIN, THE INTENTION OF THIS PETITION IS TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO EXPLORE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EMERGENCY RESPONSE, PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND THAT CAN BE PILOTED, MEASURED, AND REFINED.
IN CLOSING, THE REQUEST IS SIMPLE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU, MR. KOLICK. I'M SORRY.
TIME'S UP. BUT HAVE YOU TURNED IN YOUR PETITION?
>> I SENT TO MR. HOGAN CAMP AND COPY OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> LISA HAROLD, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE, AND I CONCUR WITH MY NEIGHBOR, MIKE.
I'VE BEEN UP HERE TALKING ABOUT SHERRY DRIVE FOR A LONG TIME, THE SPEED, AND IT REALLY HAS GOTTEN WORSE.
WE REALLY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.
MAYOR YOU KNOW YOU'VE EXPERIENCED SOMETHING RECENTLY ON SHERRY.
THIS MOST RECENT INCIDENT HAPPENED AROUND 1:15 IN THE AFTERNOON, AND IT WASN'T ALCOHOL RELATED.
IT WAS A DISTRACTED TEXTING DRIVER THAT WAS GOING NORTHBOUND THAT CROSSED OVER INTO THE SOUTHBOUND LANE.
WE'RE LUCKY, IT WASN'T WORSE AT THAT TIME OF DAY.
THAT'S THAT WITH THAT. PLEASE HELP US.
IN RELATION TO WHAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK, I WOULD LIKE YOU AS MAYOR WILSON, MAYOR GLASSER, NANCY, JACKIE, I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO REVISIT THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN.
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THERE MIGHT NOT BE A NEED FOR US TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THAT EVENT, BUT THE WAY IT TRANSPIRED NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.THAT ACTION THAT OCCURRED LAST TUESDAY NIGHT, IN MY OPINION, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS NEEDED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION AND GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S THAT. IN OUR NEW SEARCH FOR A CITY MANAGER, I AGREE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GO WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM.
IT IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE EACH COMMISSIONER CHOOSE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THEIR DISTRICT, AND THAT BE THE REPRESENTATIVE.
Y'ALL ARE EACH SERVING A DISTRICT, AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE KNOWING THE CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND I THINK YOU CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT TYPE OF COMMITTEE.
BUT AGAIN, I ASK YOU TO REVISIT THE ACTION TAKEN ON TUESDAY NIGHT.
KEVIN, CONGRATULATIONS, AND I'M SO GLAD YOU ARE INTERIM, AND I HOPE YOU'RE CONSIDERING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD, A PERMANENT ROLE AS OUR CITY MANAGER BECAUSE YOU DO, AS MARK GABRYNOWICZ, SAID, HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE RELATIONSHIPS AND WHATNOT GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, LINDA LANIER, 1618 AT LANE BEACH DRIVE.
JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, DURING MY 45 YEAR CAREER, I LED THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, AND I DID A LOT OF HIRING, AND I DID SOME FIRING, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT WITHOUT EXCEPTION, THE DAYS THAT I HAD TO FIRE OR TERMINATE AN EMPLOYEE WERE SOME OF THE WORST DAYS IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND CERTAINLY TERRIBLE FOR THE PERSON WHO WAS TERMINATED.
BUT I ALWAYS FELT SOMEHOW THAT I HAD FAILED, LIKE FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT PERSON COULDN'T OR WOULDN'T DO THE JOB, BUT MAYBE IT WAS ALWAYS ME THAT DIDN'T SET UP THE RIGHT SITUATION OR DIDN'T GIVE THE RIGHT INSTRUCTIONS.
SO ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT NAVIGATING A SEPARATION WITH AN EMPLOYEE IS CASUAL OR MAYBE EVEN THRILLING OR FUN IS JUST WRONG.
BUT HERE'S WHAT I FIRMLY BELIEVE, AGAIN, AFTER ALL THOSE EXPERIENCES, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT DOES NOT HONOR A PERSON TO KEEP THEM IN A JOB THAT THEY CAN'T OR WON'T DO.
BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY IS A DAY THAT'S GONE, AND IT'S A DAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE CAREER OR THE JOB THAT THEY CAN DO WELL THAT IS SATISFYING AND THAT CONTRIBUTES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR WORLD, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN THRIVE.
SADLY, WE OFTEN KEEP PEOPLE IN POSITIONS WHERE THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OR THEY CAN'T DO A GOOD JOB BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TOO EMBARRASSED TO HAVE THOSE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS SO WE JUST LET THOSE THINGS GO ON AND ON.
AGAIN, WE'RE WASTING THAT PERSON'S LIFE.
SO OUR MOST RECENT CITY MANAGER NEGOTIATED A LETTER OF SEPARATION AND A SEVERANCE AGREEMENT WITH OUR MAYOR.
HE WAS SPARED THE EMBARRASSMENT OF A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT LED TO HIS SEPARATION, AND I ATTENDED LAST WEEK'S MEETING, AND I SAW MR. KILLINGSWORTH TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
IT WAS KIND, AND IT MADE US BIGGER PEOPLE.
IN FACT, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SURPRISING WAS, I HEARD PEOPLE PRAISE HIM, AND I KNOW THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO REALLY FUSSED ABOUT HIM IN THE PAST.
THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING TO ME.
SO WHY AT THIS POINT, DO WE WANT TO REVISIT HIS EMPLOYMENT? THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE ISSUES THAT LED TO HIS SEPARATION WOULD THEN BECOME PUBLICLY DISCUSSED, MUCH TO HIS EMBARRASSMENT.
I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU, COMMISSIONERS, MUCH TO YOUR DISTRACTION, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
THIS IS A $60 MILLION ENTERPRISE.
WE NEED A HIGH LEVEL CEO TO RUN IT.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF.
I'M BRINKLEY HAROLD, 266 STREET.
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BEEN AT THAT ADDRESS FOR 53-AND-A-HALF YEARS NOW, SO I GET PRETTY INVOLVED IN THINGS AROUND HERE.NOTWITHSTANDING THAT, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.
THE PROCESS OF GOVERNING IS NOT EASY.
IF IT WAS, EVERYBODY BEHIND ME WOULD BE OUT THERE, AND YOU'D BE OUT HERE.
YOU KNOW THAT ANY KIND OF PROCESS TO HIRE SOMEONE, TO FIRE SOMEONE, TO ACCEPT A RESIGNATION, TO GO THROUGH A RECRUITMENT PROCESS IS HARD WORK.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ELECTED TO DO.
THAT'S WHY WE ALL SUPPORT YOU, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON TO THIS NEXT PHASE.
BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MIGHT BE THAT MAYBE THE CITY HAS GOTTEN TOO BIG, NOT TOO BIG, HAS TAKEN ON A WHOLE ANOTHER WAY SINCE IT WAS IN THE '70S AND '80S WHEN WE ONLY HAD 40 OR 50 EMPLOYEES, 6,000 RESIDENTS.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, ACTUALLY, 6,500 RESIDENTS, EXCUSE ME.
NOW WE'VE GOT 13,500 RESIDENTS. WE'RE BUILT OUT NOW.
MAYBE WE NEED A REORGANIZATION ON THE CITY STAFF.
MAYBE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE HUGE DEPARTMENT.
MAYBE A FUTURE CITY MANAGER NEEDS A VERY STRONG CHIEF OF STAFF TO RUN MUCH OF THE DAY TO DAY OPERATION SO THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT BIG HEAD AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE REALLY HARD THINGS AND PUT MORE THOUGHT INTO THE BIG THINGS RATHER THAN THE MUNDANE DAY TO DAY THINGS.
MAYBE MY ADVOCACY FOR A STRONG CHIEF OF STAFF MIGHT BE A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES INVOLVES SHERRY DRIVE AND SOMETIMES PLAZA.
THOSE ARE THE TWO WIDEST STREETS IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
THEY STILL ONLY HAVE A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THOSE ROADS, PEOPLE, WHAT'S THE TECHNICAL TERM? ALL ASS UP AND DOWN THOSE ROADS ALL THE TIME AND OTHER THINGS OCCUR BECAUSE OF THAT.
WELL, THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO, I THINK, THIS COMMISSION VOTED ON AND ACCEPTED WHAT'S CALLED THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN.
WHAT'S DISCUSSED IN THAT CONNECTIVITY PLAN IS ADDING BICYCLE LANES TO STREETS THAT WILL ALLOW IT BECAUSE BICYCLE LANES NARROW THE TRAFFIC LANES OF THE STREET RATHER THAN HAVING A 15 FOOT WIDE LANE, YOU'RE DOWN TO MAYBE A NINE OR 10 FOOT LANE, THAT ALONE CALMS DOWN THE TRAFFIC.
IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO IMPLEMENT ASPECTS OF THAT CONNECTIVITY PLAN FOR PLAZA AND FOR SHERRY DRIVE, AND PERHAPS PUT THAT FOUR WAY STOP IN IN FRONT OF THE NEW BUILDING BEHIND THE OLD RAG TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, KEN SIMON, MY ADDRESS IS ON THE RECORD.
TWO YEARS AGO, I FIRST PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND SAID THAT I NEVER WANTED TO BE A REGULAR, AND THAT BEING SAID, I'M BECOMING A REGULAR.
>> THINGS JUST NOT WORKING OUT.
>> BUT TWO YEARS AGO, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF PROJECTS WERE TO BE APPROVED BY THIS CITY, TO BE SPENT ON A PROJECT THAT AFFECTED MY PROPERTY, WOULD HAVE DAMAGED IT, AND YET SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE VOTED FOR THAT PROJECT.
THE INFORMATION WAS JUST INCORRECT.
IT'S TWO YEARS LATER, AND THAT'S OPEN BUSINESS AND STILL HAS NOT BEEN RECTIFIED.
SOME GOOD COMMENTS MADE TODAY BY SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO PRESENTED TODAY IS MR. HOGENCAMP.
WE COULDN'T GET ANSWERS ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
THEY CONTINUE, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM RELATED TO THIS TENS OF THOUSANDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN PROJECTS.
I REACHED OUT TO MR. HOGENCAMP THIS WEEK IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT RESIGNATION LAST WEEK, AND SURE ENOUGH, I GOT AN ANSWER BACK IN A DAY.
YOU HEARD THAT ECHOED BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE TODAY.
THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT IN TERMS OF A RECALL OR REITERATING SOME OF THE BUSINESS OF THE RESIGNATION OF THE CITY MANAGER IS, PLEASE DON'T DO IT.
IT SURELY CAN'T BE GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WOULD ONLY CAUSE SOME CONTROVERSY.
SO I ASK THAT YOU JUST AT LEAST, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE TO IT OR SORT OF REHASH IT, I ASK THAT YOU LET IT SLIDE LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER, AND I CAN ONLY ECHO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS OF THE FOLKS WHO MADE THOSE COMMENTS.
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AS TO THE MAYOR AND THE NEXT CHOOSING OF A CITY MANAGER, WE TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE AGENCIES OR HOW YOU MIGHT GO ABOUT THAT.THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE COHESIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP OF THE MAYOR, WHO WE VOTED TO BE IN THIS POSITION, GET ALONG WITH THAT CITY MANAGER, THAT HE IS EFFECTIVE IN HIS JOB AND THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE TODAY ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT, I OVER USED THIS CLICHE.
MANAGERS MANAGE THINGS, LEADERS LEAD PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AS A LEADER IN THAT POSITION, WHO WORKS COHESIVELY WITH THE PERSON WE PUT IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S MAYOR FORD.
SO I ASK YOU JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS I'M MAKING.
I AM ASSURED BY MR. HOGENCAMP THAT WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, AND I AM GLAD TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO EACH AND EVERY COMMISSION.
ONE LAST COMMENT, I THINK I HAVE 30 SECONDS IS THE REASON WHY IT ALL HAPPENED THE WAY IT HAPPENED SINCE LAST WEEK IS BECAUSE OF OUR PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.
THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
THERE WAS JUST DOING BUSINESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER BY YOUR OWN RULES.
THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE TODAY AND I'M HERE TWO YEARS AGO IS BECAUSE I'M GOVERNED BY THOSE RULES.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK WITH YOU ALL BY COMING HERE.
NOW I SAID THAT TWO YEARS AGO AT MY FIRST COMMISSION MEETING.
I SAID THAT AT MANY OTHERS, AND I WISH THERE WAS A WAY THAT I CAN HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU.
>> BRUCE ANDREWS, I LIVE ON 11TH STREET.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US TONIGHT.
I SPOKE LAST WEEK AND SAID, IT'S HARD TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF HAVING A CITY MANAGER LEAVE IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND HAVE IT NOT TURN INTO SOMETHING UNPLEASANT.
I'M STILL PLEASED THAT IT WENT DOWN THE WAY IT WENT DOWN.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DOWNSIDES OF THAT, BUT IN BALANCE, I THINK IT WORKED OUT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE.
BUT THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE THIS NAGGING CONCERN OF WHY? THERE'S THIS, "MAYOR FORD DID THIS." OR "MAYOR FORD DID THAT." OR WHATEVER, AND JUST THINK THAT THAT'S UNFAIR TO THE MAYOR WHO TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER DECIDED TO RESIGN BASED UPON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE REASONS, BUT I DO THINK THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD CONCERNS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
THE CITY MANAGER MAY HAVE HAD CONCERNS WITH THE JOB, AND FOR, WE DON'T KNOW WHY THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, A VERY ENGAGED CITIZEN, AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
I'VE BEEN ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, I SERVE ON THE ESC TODAY.
I BOTHER KEVIN REGULARLY WITH TOPICS OF CONCERN.
I'M THE FAMILY MEMBER AMONGST MY 11 FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY HERE WHO SAY, SOMEBODY OUGHT TO TELL THE CITY THIS, AND THAT'S ALWAYS ME.
I DON'T INTEND TO GET INTO DETAILS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS GOING FORWARD WITH HIRING THE NEW CITY MANAGER.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT PERSON AND I SEE MY TIME DWINDLING FAST, THAT THEY LISTEN TO THEIR BOSS.
WHO'S THEIR BOSS? IT'S YOU GUYS.
THEY NEED TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION, AND WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, THE COMMISSION RUNS THE CITY AT A HIGH LEVEL AND AT A STRATEGIC LEVEL.
WE ALL KNOW OUR CITY MANAGER FORM A GOVERNMENT, AND THEY EXECUTE ALL OF THAT, BUT THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO THEIR BOSS.
THEIR OTHER BOSS IS THE CITIZENS.
THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO US, AND THEY NEED TO GIVE US FEEDBACK WHEN WE RAISE CONCERNS AND NOT DELEGATE IT TO SOMEBODY WHO MAY OR MAY NOT FOLLOW UP ON IT.
THEY NEED TO APPRECIATE CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS AND PLACE VALUE ON THEIR RESOURCES AND THEIR INVESTMENT IN TIME.
INVOLVED CITIZENS ARE PART OF WHAT MAKES IT AB SPECIAL.
IF WE AREN'T VALUED AND OUR WORK DOESN'T RESULT IN ACTION BY CITY STAFF, THEN WE WILL BECOME APATHETIC AND FIND OTHER OUTLETS FOR OUR TIME AND TALENT.
FOLLOW UP ON IMPORTANT ISSUES AND SEEK RESOLUTION.
DON'T LET THEM FALL INTO BLACK HOLES.
BE RESPONSIVE TO CITIZEN CONCERNS, ENSURE THAT THEY FEEL VALUED.
WE'RE BIGGER THAN WE USED TO BE, BUT WE'RE STILL PRETTY DANG SMALL.
WE'RE NOT COJ. DELEGATE, BUT STAY INVOLVED AND ENSURE ACTION AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE 10 WEEK SEVERANCE WAS REALLY THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REASON FOR BRINGING IT BACK.
IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MOVE TO ME.
I'M OUT OF TIME. I HAD MORE STUFF TO SAY.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
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KEVIN, MY SPECIFIC THANKS TO YOU FOR TAKING ON THIS ROLE, AND HOPEFULLY, THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER AN ADEQUATE PAY ADJUSTMENT FOR YOU DURING YOUR TIME AS ACTING CITY MANAGER.I VIVIDLY REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE TRIED TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER LAST TIME AND HAVE NIGHTMARES ABOUT IT, AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU DO FOR THAT PROCESS.
THE CITY COMMISSION WAS ACCUSED OF NOT BEING TRANSPARENT.
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE NOT IMMEDIATELY AFTER SUBSEQUENT TO THAT.
AS A MEMBER OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE TRANSPARENCY FOR BRINGING ON A CITY MANAGER, NOT KNOWING IT WOULD BE HAPPENING SO QUICKLY.
I APPRECIATE MITCH BRINGING UP THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I DIDN'T AGREE WITH MITCH THEN, I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM NOW.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY MANAGER LIVE IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY CRITICAL IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THEIR JOB AND REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THEY HAVE THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A NEW DIRECTION.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DIRECTION IS, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD OUR STRATEGY AND OUR PRIORITIES IN PLACE.
IF THOSE HAVE CHANGED, I CERTAINLY HOPE THEY'LL BE WORKSHOPS AND TOWN HALL MEETINGS ABOUT THOSE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD REVISIT WHAT HAPPENED WITH BILL, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD STOP REFERRING TO HIS DEPARTURE AS A SEPARATION OR A TERMINATION.
HE RESIGNED, AND THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD REFER TO IT.
I'VE SEEN LOTS OF EMAILS THAT TALK ABOUT TERMINATION AND SEPARATION.
I THINK OUT OF RESPECT FOR HIM, WE SHOULD STOP THAT PARTICULAR WAY OF DISCUSSING THIS.
I DID WANT TO MENTION THE ICE ISSUE.
I THOUGHT I WAS AN INFORMED CITIZEN.
I SAT ON THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS COMMITTEE I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I'M CURRENTLY ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH ICE.
I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO RECONSIDER ANY ENGAGEMENT WE HAVE WITH ICE IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY IN OUR TOWN, AND I THINK IT CAUSES DISSENSION.
I DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE OTHER CITIES.
IN MY FINAL MOMENTS, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE ON SHERRY DRIVE.
I LIVE OFF OF SHERRY DRIVE, NOT ON SHERRY DRIVE, BUT THE OTHER DAY, I WAS AT THE CORNER OF STURTEVANT AND SHERRY, AND THE LIGHTS WERE FLASHING BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO CROSS.
I WAITED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON GOING DOWN SHERRY DID NOT WAIT.
ZIP RIGHT PAST, I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO RUN OVER THE TOES OF THE PERSON WHO WAS CROSSING THE STREET.
THEN YOU WAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
I HOPE WE'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK.
THEY FAILED TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE FORM, SO MIN.
THAT'S HERE FOR THERE'S A CARD THAT WAS FOLDED AND HANDED TO ME.
>> WE'LL GO AHEAD. WE'LL HONOR BOTH OF THEM.
>> MEGAN TIM K, I'M ON 2233 SEMINAL ROAD. I WILL BE BRIEF.
THERE'S A QUOTE BY GROUCHO MARX THAT SAYS POLITICS IS THE ART OF LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, FINDING IT EVERYWHERE, DIAGNOSING IT INCORRECTLY AND APPLYING THE WRONG REMEDIES.
I HOPE THAT CAN BE A CAUTIONARY TALE AS WE GO FORWARD IN OUR REQUEST FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER.
BEEN A LOT OF DIVISIVENESS, AS WE ALL KNOW.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH, WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE RESIGNED, AND WE MAY NEVER KNOW.
BUT YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR HOW YOU'VE HANDLED IT.
YOU'VE ALLOWED HIM THE GRACE AND PRIVACY HE NEEDS AS HE TRANSITIONS OUT OF THIS ROLE.
I BELIEVE IT'S NOW TIME TO LOOK FORWARD AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN OUR QUEST FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER.
I WANT TO FOCUS ON KEEPING OUR CITY, THE MAGICAL PLACE IT HAS BEEN IN THE 47 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HANDLING OF THE MATTER AND HOPE TO THIS POINT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD, AND NOT LOOK BEHIND US AND PROSPER IN THAT MANNER. THANK YOU.
>> YES. WE MISSED IT. APOLOGIZE.
>> WE GOT YOU. STEVE. WELL, I HATE TO SAY I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE JUST MOVE ON.
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SOMETHING HAS OCCURRED IN OUR CITY THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN AGAIN.I THINK, AS MR. FEINMAN SAID, THERE'S A GREAT MISPERCEPTION, OF THE DYNAMICS HERE, OF THE POWER, OF THE AUTHORITY OF WHO IS WHEN YOU SAY THE MAYOR, THAT'S A MAYOR COMMISSIONER.
HE HAS CERTAIN DUTIES, MOSTLY CEREMONIAL, AND HE LEADS A MEETING.
HE IS NOT THE LEADER OF THE CITY.
I THINK THIS COMMISSION, I SIT AND WATCHES ONE PERSON TALKS ALL THE TIME AND THEY JUST SIT AND THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING ON JUST REGULAR MATTERS.
IF I WAS THERE, I WOULD SAY, WAIT, I HAVE AN OPINION HERE, OR CAN YOU JUST BE QUIET FOR A MINUTE? BUT I THINK THERE'S A MISTAKEN PERCEPTION OF THE POWER OF THE MAYOR.
THAT'S WHY THIS SHOULD NOT OCCURRED IN A PRIVATE MEETING WITH MAYOR COMMISSIONER FORD.
IT'S JUST A MISPERCEPTION IN MY OPINION OF AUTHORITY.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A CITIZENS COMMITTEE.
EACH COMMISSIONER APPOINT SOMEONE FROM THEIR DISTRICT, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I LIKED FORMER MAYOR COMMISSIONER REEVES' SUGGESTION OF A COMMITTEE OF I WOULD SAY, FORMER OFFICIALS OR FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HELP REVIEW ANYONE AND HELP GIVE ADVICE TO ANYONE, TRYING TO COME TO THIS CITY THAT I WOULDN'T SELL MY HOUSE FOR AND MOVE HERE.
I GOOD THING THAT THEY'RE RENTING BECAUSE THEY DON'T STAY LONG.
YOU PEOPLE, SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
BY THE AGREEMENT WITH HOMELAND SECURITY SHOULD BE REALLY LOOKED AT HARD.
WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
I WISH I COULD READ MY AND WE SHOULD HAVE H, THE SEARCH COMMITTEE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S IT. WE'LL CLOSE DID YOU ALREADY SPEAK? ON THIS?
YOU NOME, SIR. DAN JOVCI, LIVE HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M QUITE WILLING TO OFFER A PROPERTY OR RENTAL PROPERTY.
WE HAVE IT'S A HALF BLOCK FROM THE BEACH AT COST, WHICH IS MAYBE 2000 OR LESS A MONTH IT TAKES TO RUN IT TO THE CITY TO FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER AT A REASONABLE COST. IT RENTS FOR.
>> WILLING TO DO THAT AT WHATEVER COST IF THAT HELPS. COST.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
THAT WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE, BUT WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLORIDA VISITORS AND MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.ITEM 38. A CITY MANAGING MANAGER REPORTS.
GO AHEAD, KEVIN. MA COMER. THANK YOU.UP.
WE PRESENT THE 90 DAY CALENDAR FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING AT 10:00 A.M. SATURDAY, JANUARY 24 AT JORDAN COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S MY REQUEST THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS TO IT, YOU ACCEPT THE REPORT.
>> FIVE. EVERY YEAR, THE RHODA BARTON CENTER SPONSORS A MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY CELEBRATION.
LAST YEAR, AND AGAIN, THIS YEAR, THANKFULLY, THEY'RE HAVING IT INDOORS AT ST. BALL'S BY THE SEA AT 11:00 P.M.
11:00 A.M. ON THAT MONDAY I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD COME TO IT.
IT'S A MARVELOUS CELEBRATION OF THE HISTORY OF OUR CITIZENS HERE AT THE BEACH.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW WE REQUESTED THAT INFORMATION FROM RHODA MARTIN.
THAT'S ON MLK DAY ITSELF, IS IT?
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>> THAT'S CONSISTENT WHAT I'VE HEARD UNOFFICIALLY, 11:00 A.M. MONDAY, JANUARY 19, AT ST. PAUL'S BY THE SEA.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONS? HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDED 90 DAY CALENDAR? YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR?
>> THANK YOU. ITEM THREE B, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS, IF I'LL MOVE ON.
THE ITEM IS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AND I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU ESTABLISH AN ITEM TEN C ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AS 10C.
3C, OUR PROPOSED ALCOHOL SERVICE POLICY.
WE'RE PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA JUST FOR AN EARLY LOOK LONG BEFORE, WE BRING THAT BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY POLICIES ON THE BOOKS PERTAINING TO SERVICE OF ALCOHOL AT CITY FUNCTIONS.
THIS IS A STAB, A DRAFT A ADOPTING SUCH A POLICY.
ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD, IS WHETHER YOU WANT ALCOHOL AT ALL AT CITY FUNCTIONS.
I BET YOUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE RECEPTION, THE ARTIST RECEPTIONS AT ADLE GREG, MUSIC FESTIVAL AT A PARK, ANY AND ALL OF THE ABOVE.
IF INDEED, WE DO HAVE ALCOHOL, WE NEED A POLICY.
WE NEED TO FOLLOW POLICY, AND WE NEED TO ENSURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING TO PROTECT US FROM RISK, AND OTHERWISE, ENSURE WE'RE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY WE SERVE.
>> YES. BEFORE WE START, CAN YOU POINT ME TO 10C? I'M NOT SEEING.
>> THAT AD STARTING I'M PROPOSING WOULD BE ADDING IT 10C.
>> DASHNER. THE PROPOSAL THAT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR US TO REVIEW.
IT REALLY DOESN'T NOT ADDRESS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARTIST RECEPTIONS.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT IT ALLOWS FOUR MAJOR FUNCTIONS, AND THAT WORKS FOR ARTS IN THE PARK OR FOR THE SHAKESPEARE OR JAZZ CONCERTS.
BUT THE ARTIST RECEPTIONS ARE EVERY MONTH, AND WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE A CERTIFIED BARTENDER THERE WITH THE COMPLIMENTARY WINE.
IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT, THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THAT DOCUMENT.
>> IF I MAY THIS INDEED DOES ESTABLISH THAT IF WE ALLOW ALCOHOL AND WE DON'T CURRENTLY FOR ARTIST RECEPTIONS.
BUT IF IF WE WERE TO, WE WOULD FOLLOW THE POLICY THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED. COMMISSIONER.
I'M SORRY. NO, YOU HAVE THE PARKS ORDINANCE.
THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE A CONCERT, THERE'S A CONTRACT, CORRECT, WITH A MONEY MAKING ENTITY.
>> NO, I THINK WITH THE PARKS ORDINANCE, THOSE EVENTS BY PERMIT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WITH THIS ADDRESSES.
THIS ADDRESSES SPONSORED CITY.
>> I KNOW WE WRITE THAT WAIVER INTO THOSE AGREEMENTS.
>> HAVE WE, OTHER THAN THE ARTISANS, ALLOWED ALCOHOL IN THE PAST AT SOME OF THESE FUNCTIONS.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO KIND OF START WITH THAT.
>> I HAVE AND WE DON'T CURRENTLY.
>> \WE DON'T SO. THE PAST YEAR, SO WE STOPPED ALLOWING THAT.
THIS IS I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS BEFORE US TODAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT REGARDING THE REAL POLICY THAT OUR CITIZENS FOLLOW AS FAR AS WANTING ALCOHOL THERE, IF THEY RENTED ADEL GRAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN ALLOTMENT OF A POLICE OFFICER THERE? THERE'S JUST CERTAIN CRITERIA.
WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE SAME THAT WE REQUIRE OUR CITIZENS TO.
I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH, THIS ALCOHOL POLICY.
I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO DECIDES WHAT FOUR FUNCTIONS ARE ALLOWED OR WHAT EVENTS ARE ALLOWED, WOULD THAT BE STAFF? WOULD THAT BE THE COMMISSION? DOES THE DANCING WITH THE STREETS, DOES THAT COUNT AS ONE OF THE FOUR EACH YEAR? THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE MONTHLY ARTISAN NIGHTS TOO.
IS THAT SOMETHING SEPARATE TO IT?
>> WAS THAT A QUESTION? THERE WAS A LOT IN.
AS WE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE A LOT TO FOLLOW UP ON.
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IN THE CODE IT ADDRESSES FOR EVENTS ARE PERMITTED.THESE ARE OUR POLICY, THAT WOULD BE FOR MAJOR EVENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO ALLOW THE MONTHLY ARTIST RECEPTIONS TO HAVE ALCOHOL.
WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS POLICY ADDRESSES THAT CONCURRENTLY WITH THE CODE ADDRESSING THE FOUR MAJOR EVENTS THAT WHERE ALCOHOL WAS SERVED.
BY ALCOHOL, BY THE WAY, THAT'S BEER AND WINE TO BE CLEAR.
>> THAT WITH DANCING IN THE STREETS, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FOUR.
THEN WE WOULD BE THREE LEFT, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE DANCING WITH THE STREETS IS MORE THAN JUST BEER AND WINE.
>> ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S INDEPENDENT BECAUSE THAT'S A BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY EVENT, BUT LET ME LOOK INTO THAT AND COME BACK AND RECOMMEND TO YOU WHERE THAT ALL IN.
>> THE BEER TENDS ON THE NEPTUNE BEACH SIDE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO COME BACK WITH A ORDINANCE, OR IS THERE?
>> I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR DELIBERATION, COMMUNITY DISCUSSION, AND STAFF WILL BE BACK AT SOME POINT WITH A PROPOSED POLICY.
PLEASE TO YOU AND THE COMMUNITY, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
GOOD. ANY OTHER? NO MORE DIALOGUE ON THAT.
>> YES, ALSO, WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU OUR FEE MODIFICATION AND CODIFICATION FOR JUST REVIEW AND FEEDBACK.
WE'RE PROPOSING INCREASING FEES IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AMONG OTHER THINGS.
IF YOU HAVE REVIEWED THIS AGENDA ITEM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OR BRING AMANDA, ASK YOU.
>> ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN, THAT THE FEE IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THEM?
>> WE HAVE BEEN SUBSIDIZING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT?
>> WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL RING UP AMANDA ASK YOU TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> HI, GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASK YOU, NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY ON SOME OF THIS AND HOW IT CAME INTO LIGHT.
THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THEY RETAINED A RECORDS MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT AND THEY RECOMMENDED PUTTING ALL OF OUR FEES IN ONE CENTRAL LOCATION.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CODE.
IT'S NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY WHEN YOU JUST WANT TO QUICK LOOK UP AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH SOMETHING COSTS WITHIN THE CITY.
THIS WAS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS MOVING FEES INTO ONE CENTRALIZED CODE.
AS PART OF THAT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND DIVISION SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR FEES.
WE HAVEN'T ADJUSTED OUR FEES IN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE 2009, AND YOU ARE CORRECT, LAST YEAR, THE BUDGET DID HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE ABOUT 20% OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
PER STATE STATUTE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE SELF SUFFICIENT AND GENERATE ALL ITS OWN FUNDS AND FUND ITSELF.
NOW, THE FUNDS THAT ARE GENERATED THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CANNOT BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE ANY OTHER BUDGET ITEMS, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING A MODEST FEE INCREASE AS PART OF THIS RELOCATION TO THE FEES.
IT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR JUST REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
THEN I KNOW THE CLERK'S OFFICE BECAUSE WE WERE LUMPING IT TOGETHER AS PART OF THE RELOCATION SOME FEES IN HERE AS WELL.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE RECREATION FEES?
>> WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE FEES AND WOULD COME BACK TO YOU INDEPENDENTLY OF YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE FEES.
>> WE PLAN TO STAGGER THIS SO WE DON'T OVERWHELM YOU.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE FEE ORDINANCE?
>> YES. ALL RELOCATED TO CHAPTER 2.
>> LIKE THE DOG PARK AND IT'S FINE.
>> I THINK YOU'VE GOT YOUR DIRECTION JUST BRING IT BACK TO US AND WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE.
>> IF I MAY, I'M WONDERING IF THE CITY CLERK HAS ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME ON THIS TOPIC?
>> NO. I BELIEVE SHE COVERED IT.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE OBSOLETE, SUCH AS MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT THAT DOES IT NEED TO BE IN THE CODE.
NO ONE EVEN KNOWS THEY'VE EVER USED THAT CODE FOR THAT ANYWAY.
PUBLIC RECORDS RELATED ITEMS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN THE POLICY WAS APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT GOING
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AHEAD AND BRINGING BACK SOMETHING TO MIMIC WHAT THE STATUTE ALLOWS US TO CHARGE UP TO.THAT LANGUAGE IS GOING TO BE IN THERE.
IT IS IN THE PROPOSED ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING FORTH AS FIRST READING.
THEN CITY CLERK LIEN LETTERS, WE WANT TO GO FROM $10 TO $40.
NEIGHBORING CITIES CHARGE AT LEAST THAT MUCH.
>> AMANDA, HOW DOES THIS OR DOES IT TRANSLATE INTO BRINGING VALUE TO THE CITIZEN WHO'S TRYING TO GET A PERMIT? HOW IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THEM OR WILL IT?
>> TO SOME DEGREE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS TAKING A PORTION OF THE EXPENSE OF THE NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE ROLLING OUT IN FEBRUARY, THE BSNA SOFTWARE.
THAT WILL GO TOWARDS OFFSETTING THAT.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALSO PAYS RENT AND PAYS FOR VARIOUS THINGS FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ALLOWABLE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE.
BUT AS FAR AS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY INCREASED STAFF.
I HOPE THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
>> WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY JUST TO BREAK EVEN OR NOT BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND.
>> THANK YOU. YOU GOOD ON THAT? I AM. THANK YOU.
>> IF I MAY ADD A COUPLE OTHER THINGS VERY QUICKLY THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA UNDER CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
ACKNOWLEDGING A FEW ISSUES AND NOT TRYING TO TACKLE ALL OF THEM, OF COURSE, OUT OF FRONT AND CENTER IN THE COMING WEEKS.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR FARMERS MARKET, RFP THAT NEEDS TO HIT THE STREETS.
WE HAVE THE ATLANTIC BEACH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT TO GET BACK WITH YOU.
WE ARE HAVING AN ACTIVE DISCUSSION AND INVESTIGATION OF WHAT TO DO ON SHERRY DRIVE.
WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A PRIORITY SETTING SESSION WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.
OTHERWISE, ADDRESSING SOME ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE IS REQUESTING A PRIORITIES WORKSHOP OR A MEETING JOINTLY WITH ALL, AND WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS THOSE DATES IN ADDITION TO A CHAPTER 23 WORKSHOP.
WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS,
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER RING.I WANT TO OUT OF THE GATE, JUST TALK ABOUT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WILL BEGIN TOMORROW.
I WANT TO IMPLORE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO REGISTER FOR THE WEBINARS THAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY MONDAY FROM NOW UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF THE SESSION.
THERE'S RIGHT NOW A STANDING OF 1754 BILLS RIGHT NOW, BEFORE OUR SENATE, AND WE SHOULD KEEP A VERY CLOSE EYE ON ALL OF THOSE.
BUT FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL ACTUALLY UPDATE US ON A MONDAY BASIS FROM NOW UNTIL MARCH 13.
AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, I WILL BE ATTENDING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
I'M NOT POSITIVE, IF MAYOR FORD WILL BE THERE TOO.
OBVIOUSLY, I WILL MISS MONDAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING.
DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT, AND I WILL NOT BE DRIVING OVER TO TALLAHASSEE LATE AT NIGHT.
I WILL WAIT UNTIL THE MORNING TO MAKE IT THERE.
BUT YES, I WANT TO TELL MY FELLOW CITIZENS TO DO THE SAME.
KEEP AN EYE ON IT. OUR HOME RULE IS BEING ENCROACHED WITH EACH YEAR.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? ONE OTHER THING.
I WANTED TO AND I DISCUSSED THIS WITH OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER EARLIER TODAY.
IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE NOT HEAVY HANDED ENOUGH FROM THE CITY TO DISCOURAGE THESE.
WE ARE LESS ENOUGH TO HAVE A GRANDFATHERED IN CLAUSE UNLIKE JACKSONVILLE BEACH IN WHICH WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS, AND JACKS BEACH IS HAVING TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THESE POPPING UP EVERYWHERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I FEEL THAT OUR CITY STAFF REALLY NEEDS TO COME DOWN HARD ON THIS ORDINANCE, ALONG WITH POSSIBLY OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO GET INVOLVED ON THESE, WHETHER IT'S SENDING A CEASE AND DESIST LIST,
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NOT JUST TO THE HOST, BUT ALSO TO ALL OF THE SITES THAT THEY ARE POSTING ON AND I SAY WE'D BE ON THEM LIKE WHITE ON ICE.I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S OKAY TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S ENTRAPMENT.
WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE WHERE EXACTLY THE DRESS IS, BUT THERE'S WAYS AROUND IT, AND WE REALLY NEED AS A COMMISSION AND AS A STAFF TO COME DOWN HARD ON THESE.
WE DON'T THE WORD TO GET OUT THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE ORDINANCES.
WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING AN ORDINANCE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT? THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT.
MY CITIZEN OR MY FELLOW NEIGHBOR WHO'S STILL DEALING WITH IT HAS COME TO ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND I FEEL FOR HER, BUT I DO THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS HAPPENING ON MY STREET, IT COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN ON ALL OF OUR STREETS, SO WE NEED TO STOP IT WHILE IT'S NIP IT IN THE BUD.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE, SORRY, MAYOR.
WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE CITY MANAGER SO I'LL SAVE ALL OF THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH, MY TAKE ON ALL OF THAT DURING THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT WHEN WE DO THESE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS, I JUST THINK ABOUT MYSELF AS EMPLOYEE.
I GET A MID YEAR EVALUATION WHERE I SIT DOWN WITH MY SUPERVISOR, AND THEY LET ME KNOW IF I'M ON TRACK, IF I'M NOT, WHAT I CAN DO BETTER.
I KNOW WHAT MY GOALS ARE, THE BEGINNING OF EACH YEAR, AND I KNOW WHERE I STAND WITH THEM MID YEAR AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE WELL, SINCE KILLINGSWORTH WAS HIRED WAS TAKE TOO BIG OF A STEP BACK.
I WOULD AGREE THAT THE VERY LAST REVIEW THAT WE USED WAS A LITTLE TOO DETAILED, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THAT.
BUT I WOULD PROPOSE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WE SOMEHOW PUT DOWN A REQUIREMENT TO MEET WITH OUR CHARTER OFFICERS BEFORE WE PUBLISH THESE REVIEWS.
THIS ALLOWS US TO SIT DOWN, DISCUSS WITH THE CITY CLERK, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE CITY MANAGER WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR EVALUATION, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO THEM.
BUT ALSO, IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO LET THEM KNOW WHERE WE ARE OR WHERE THEY ARE MATING THEIR MARKERS AND WHERE THEY CAN GROW.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I HAD THAT ON MY LIST FOR THE ESC, THE WORKSHOP TO REVIEW THEIR NEW REVISED CHAPTER WAS IT 23.
THANK YOU. WE SEEM TO BE KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD FURTHER AND FURTHER.
I JUST WANT TO GET IT RESOLVED.
THEN ALSO, KEVIN AND I TALKED TO BILL BEFORE HE LEFT ABOUT IT.
THERE'S SOME WORK DONE IN THE SAVILA NEIGHBORHOOD WITH REGARD TO STORMWATER.
I THINK THE PERMIT HAD SOMETHING GOING ON WHERE IT WAS BEING HELD UP, SOME TECHNICALITY. I'M NOT REAL SURE.
SUPPOSEDLY, IT'S APPROVED, LOOK LIKE SOME WORK IS BEING DONE ON IT NOW.
I THINK THERE WAS ONE CREPE MYRTLE OR SOMETHING THAT WAS HOLDING THINGS UP, BUT YOU CAN MOVE THAT EASY ENOUGH AND IT'S NOT LIKE A CANOPY TREE.
BUT IN ANY CASE, JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A STORMWATER ISSUE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED BEFORE WE GET HEAVY RAINS.
THEN LASTLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MR. SIMON IS STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH THE GENERATOR BACK THERE.
WE MADE A LOT OF PROMISES TO HIM.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SAT DOWN WITH HIM, I'M HAPPY TO JOIN YOU.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT WE PROMISED TO DO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAGE OF THAT INSTRUCTION IS.
WHAT IS THE LEVEL? IS IT DONE?
>> I KNOW WE HAVE A GENERATOR THAT WE'VE ORDERED THAT'S READY TO BE DELIVERED.
I DON'T HAVE MY BRAIN WRAPPED AROUND.
>> THAT'S FINE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE GO BACK.
THEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME CITIZENS HAVE ASKED US TO RE-OPEN, BASICALLY THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK.
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MY OBJECTION TO THAT MEETING WAS THAT IT WAS PARTICULARLY SUNSHINY, AND THAT THERE WAS THE IDEA THAT PERHAPS OUR GOALS ARE NOT ALIGNED ANYMORE.AS WE'VE JUST MENTIONED, IT'S TIME TO DO THE GOAL SETTING.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FOLLOW THE LEAGUE OF CITY'S PROCEDURE THAT WAS SO KINDLY POINTED OUT TO US BY JIM HANSON, AND THEY ESTIMATED THAT IT WOULD TAKE 90-120 DAYS.
WELL, WE TOOK 10 MONTHS LAST TIME.
IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE LEAGUE OF CITY'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY CUT IT DOWN BY SEVERAL MONTHS.
THE FIRST STEP IN THAT IS THE STEPS PRIOR TO RECRUITMENT IS TO DECIDE WHERE WE WANT TO DESCRIBE US AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
THIS IS THE TIME TO DO THAT FIRST.
SECONDLY, THAT IT RECOMMENDS AS MUCH CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT AS POSSIBLE, WHICH I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH, TOO.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT FOR NOW.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BILL.
>> I RARELY TAKE VERY LONG ON THESE, BUT I'M GOING TO PROBABLY WANT TO PUT THE TIME AROUND ME FOR A MINUTE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK KEVIN AND HIS TEAM FOR THE FIRST NIGHT.
I THOUGHT THAT CAME OFF WELL, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE EVENTS THAT THAT FOLLOW TO MARK OUR ANNIVERSARY.
IT WAS KEVIN MENTIONED EARLIER.
YES, WE DO HAVE A TOWN HALL ON THE 24TH.
I EXPECT A GOOD TURNOUT FOR THAT.
THERE'S SEVERAL TOPICS I THINK THAT WE COULD ADDRESS AT THAT.
I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE OFF SCRIPT HERE.
AS CANDICE AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED.
I TOOK A LOOK AT THE CITY MANAGER ISSUE AND MAYBE I TOOK A LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
MY OTHER JOB AS A A WORKER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I'M PRIVILEGED TO BE INVOLVED WITH SOME PRETTY, I WOULD CALL HIGH POWERED OR SIGNIFICANT AI
>> ACCESS. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY.
I DECIDED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WHAT DOES ATLANTIC BEACH NEED FOR A CITY MANAGER? IN THAT AI, I TYPED IN EVERYTHING I KNEW ABOUT THE CITY, THE POPULATION, THE CHARTER, ETC.
BELIEVE ME, THEY TOOK A MUCH DEEPER LOOK THAN I WOULD FIRST EMOTIONALLY LOOK AT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME HERE. GIVE ME THREE MINUTES.
I'M GOING TO READ WHAT THIS SAYS AND THEN WHEN YOU COME UP WITH A PROBLEM, I WAS TAUGHT YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
A STRONG HIRING PROCESS FOR A CITY MANAGER IN A SMALL, HIGH ENGAGED COASTAL CITY LIKE ATLANTIC BEACH NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT, LEGALLY COMPLIANT UNDER FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW, PROFESSIONALLY STRUCTURED AND TAILORED TO THE COMMUNITY'S PRIORITIES.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT FLORIDA HAS A WELL-DEVELOPED FRAMEWORK FOR THIS, AND ATLANTIC BEACH ITSELF HAS RECENTLY CONDUCTED A CITY MANAGER SEARCH.
THERE ARE CLEAR MODELS TO FOLLOW.
INTERESTING. THEY WENT BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT 2023, AND ALL OUR CITY MANAGER HIRES, SO LITTLE HISTORY HERE.
BELOW IS A CLEAN, PRACTICAL FLORIDA-SPECIFIC PROCESS GROUNDED IN FLORIDA CITY, COUNTY MANAGER SEARCH GUIDE AND ATLANTIC BEACH'S OWN REQUIREMENT MATERIALS.
FIRST OF ALL, DEFINE THE CITY'S NEEDS AND PRIORITIES.
BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING, THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD, IN THE SUNSHINE, REVIEW AND UPDATE THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
AGREE ON LEADERSHIP QUALITIES, EXPERIENCE LEVEL, AND MANAGEMENT STYLE NEEDED.
IDENTIFY CURRENT CHALLENGES AND PRIORITIES, I.E., RESILIENCY, INFRASTRUCTURE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUDGETING, MAYPORT ROAD CORRIDOR, PARKS, ETC.
DISCUSS COMPENSATION RANGE, BENEFITS, AND RESIDENCY EXPECTATIONS.
THIS STEP ENSURES THE COMMISSION IS ALIGNED AND AVOIDS POLITICAL DRIFT LATER.
IF THERE'S A VACANCY, THE COMMISSION SHOULD SELECT AN INTERIM MANAGER, BRING IN OR BRING IN AN EXTERNAL THROUGH FCCMA, THAT'S A PROGRAM FOR SENIOR ADVISOR PROGRAM.
THE INTERIM MUST BE CLEARLY EMPOWERED TO RUN OPERATIONS WHILE THE SEARCH PROCEEDS.
NUMBER 3, DEVELOP A RECRUITMENT PLAN, A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE VACANCY, AS CANDICE MENTIONED, A TIMETABLE FOR THE SEARCH, TYPICALLY 90-150 DAYS, A DECISION ON WHETHER TO USE A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM AND THEY LIST THE GOOD ONES, A PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY INPUT, SURVEYS, TOWN HALLS, ONLINE FEEDBACK.
FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW REQUIRES THAT ALL APPLICATIONS ARE PUBLIC RECORDS, SO THE CANDIDATE MUST BE INFORMED UPFRONT.
CREATE A PROFESSIONAL RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.
ATLANTIC BEACH DID THIS IN 2023, AND IT'S A STRONG MODEL.
A GOOD BROCHURE INCLUDES COMMUNITY PROFILE, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, BUDGET OVERVIEW, KEY PRIORITIES, DESIRED LEADERSHIP TRAITS, COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS, APPLICATION INSTRUCTION.
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THIS DOCUMENT SETS THE TONE AND ATTRACTS HIGH-QUALITY CANDIDATES.I WON'T GO THROUGH WHAT THEY RECOMMEND TO ADVERTISE.
TYPICAL POSTING WINDOW IS 30-45 DAYS.
SCREENING AN INITIAL EVALUATION, USING A SEARCH FIRM, THEY MAY HANDLE, IF NOT, HR AND THE COMMISSION CAN REVIEW RESUMES, SCORE CANDIDATES AGAINST AGREED UPON CRITERIA, CONDUCT INITIAL VIDEO INTERVIEWS, NARROW TO FIVE TO SEVEN CANDIDATES.
ALL MATERIALS REMAIN PUBLIC UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
COMMUNITY AND STAFF ENGAGEMENT.
FOR THE FINALISTS, MANY FLORIDA CITIES USE PUBLIC MEET AND GREET SESSIONS, STAFF ROUND-TABLES, COMMUNITY SURVEYS, RECORDED Q&A SESSIONS.
THIS BUILDS TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY.
FINAL INTERVIEWS, BRING THREE TO FOUR FINALISTS TO ATLANTIC BEACH FOR STRUCTURED COMMISSION INTERVIEWS.
SCENARIO-BASED QUESTIONS, LEADERSHIP, AND ETHICS ASSESSMENTS, BUDGET AND CAPITAL PLANNING EXERCISES, A TOUR OF FACILITIES, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, PARKS, POLICE, MAYPORT CORRIDOR, THEY BRING UP AGAIN.
DUE DILIGENCE, FULL BACKGROUND CHECK CREDENTIALS, AGAIN, THE HR STUFF, AND NEGOTIATION IN EMPLOYMENT.
FLORIDA CITIES TYPICALLY USE A STANDARDIZED MANAGEMENT.
LIKE I SAID, A PROBLEM, A SOLUTION.
I EXPECT TO SEE, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TOWN HALL ON THE 24TH, WHERE THIS COULD BE A VERY INTERESTING GIVE AND TAKE.
I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT A CITIZENS COMMITTEE COMPOSED OF REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH DISTRICT AND ONE AT LARGE FROM THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER.
ON THAT COMMITTEE, ONE NON-VOTING COMMISSIONER TO OVERSEE AND ASSIST THE PROCESS, BRING THE REQUIRED CITY RESOURCES TO THE PROCESS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WANT TO PAY FOR THE SEARCH COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER RESOURCES WE NEED, AND PROVIDE A LIST TO BE PROVIDED UP TO THE COMMISSION TO VET AND INTERVIEW, AS I JUST MENTIONED, AND THEN VOTE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S SOME CHRONOLOGICAL ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS A CITY.
IT'S AN ELECTION HERE. I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT.
IF I WAS A CITY COMMISSIONER AND THERE WAS AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, I'D WANT TO KNOW WHO MY BOSSES WERE.
YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE SMART GOING THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS.
>> I THINK YOU MEANT TO SAY IF YOU WERE CITY MANAGER.
>> RIGHT, I'M SORRY. CITY MANAGER.
I'M ALREADY OVER THREE MINUTES.
WE ALREADY SHUT DOWN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT INTERIM WITH KEVIN, AND I THINK AS WE EXPRESSED LAST TIME, IT'S KEY FOR TRANSPARENCY AND DEMOCRACY THAT WE ARE MORE TRANSPARENT THAN WE EVER HAVE.
I'VE SAID MY PIECE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> I'LL ROUND IT OUT A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
I AM TRYING TO GET TO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ON TUESDAY.
MAYBE COMING BACK ON WEDNESDAY.
WE'LL SEE IF I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING ON THE AIRBNB.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH ON THIS, AND SO IT MAY REQUIRE COUNCIL TO MEET WITH CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF, BUT CAN WE PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT AND HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS ON THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING? THEN FINALLY, I ALSO AGREE ON THE MID-YEAR AND END-OF-YEAR REVIEWS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SMART MOVE, AND I ALSO ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD REVIEW THOSE WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN THIS CASE BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY POSTED, BECAUSE IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND YOUR POSITION IF YOU DON'T AGREE OR AUGMENT THAT, SO AGREE WITH THAT.
I WASN'T PLANNING ON GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M GOING TO LET MR. HANSON PRESENT IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION BEFORE WE ADJOURN TONIGHT.
I THINK WE CAN TAKE SOME ACTIONS TONIGHT.
I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLE SAID ON THE SELECTION, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK WHEN WE ACTUALLY COME BACK TO THIS.
I'M VERY GOOD WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE FROM EACH DISTRICT AND ONE AT LARGE, FROM THE MAYOR.
I WONDER WHETHER WE MIGHT ACTUALLY ADD IN MAYOR ADVISORS FOR THE STILL LIVING MAYORS IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
[LAUGHTER] MAYOR, AND THIS IDEA I ACTUALLY DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY WITH MAYOR GLASSER, BUT IF WE WERE TO ENTERTAIN THAT, IT WOULD BE MAYOR ADVISORS, NOT IN A VOTING CAPACITY, BUT THEY COULD CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE IN DIALOGUE.
PERHAPS IF YOU AGREED WITH THAT,
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THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE AT EACH COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT TO THE DEGREE THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE A RESOURCE.NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THE BIGGER THE GROUP, THE MORE UNWIELDY IT CAN BECOME, AND THERE ARE, I THINK SEVEN LIVING PAST MAYORS IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, SO THAT WOULD BE SEVEN PLUS FIVE, WHICH IS 12.
I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHILE WE GO TO ITEM 4A, AND I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THIS, THE REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS AND MOVE TO 4A WITH MR. HANSON.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE HAVING TIME TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
>> HOLD ON, MR. HANSON, CAN YOU SET THAT FOR FIVE MINUTES? MR. HANSON, PLEASE DON'T FEEL AS IF I'M CUTTING YOU OFF AT FIVE MINUTES, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AT THAT.
>> I WAS HOPING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> WELL, SET IT AT FIVE MINUTES, AND WHEN IT GOES TO FIVE MINUTES, I'M NOT GOING TO GAVEL YOU.
HOW'S THAT? I WANT TO KNOW WHAT TIME WE'VE SPENT.
>> WELL, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.
LET ME SAY UPFRONT, JUST TO CLEAR UP ANYBODY'S CONCERNS.
I WOULDN'T ACCEPT ONE FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, I'M HAPPILY RETIRED.
I AM HERE, FIRST AS A CITIZEN OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS, AND WE EXPECT TO SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MY COMMUNITY.
I WANT IT TO BE GOOD. I'M HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SECONDLY, I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M A PAST CITY MANAGER.
AS MANY OF YOU PROBABLY REALIZE I'M PROBABLY THE LONGEST-TERMED CITY MANAGER THAT ATLANTIC BEACH HAS EVER HAD.
I WAS HERE FROM 1999 UNTIL THE END OF 2013.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE JOB PRETTY WELL.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR THE FLORIDA CITY AND COUNTY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION.
I VOLUNTEER TIME FOR THEM, BUT I HAVE A NUMBER OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
THEY DO PAY FOR ME TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS FOR EXPENSES, BUT I'M NOT PAID ANY MONEY.
I HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT OF SEARCH WORK.
WE DO THAT FOR SMALLER COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 10,000 POPULATION, SO I COULD NOT DO YOUR SEARCH FOR YOU, EVEN IF YOU WANTED ME TO.
I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS.
LET ME SAY, TO BEGIN WITH, I HAVE THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR THE COMMISSION'S JOB HERE.
HAVING WORKED WITH QUITE A NUMBER OF MAYORS AND COMMISSIONERS OVER THE YEARS, I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN BE.
YOU'RE MAKING VALUE JUDGMENTS THAT ARE NOT RIGHT OR WRONG, THEY'RE JUST VERY DIFFICULT.
A MANAGER'S JOB IS TO TRY TO FACILITATE THAT WORK WITH EACH OF YOU TO MAKE THAT PROCESS WORK BETTER.
NOW, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DID SEND TO EACH OF YOU A COPY OF THE SEARCH GUIDE THAT IS ON BOTH THE LEAGUE CITIES WEBSITE AND FCCMA.
A LOT OF STATES HAVE SIMILAR SEARCH GUIDES, BUT IT'S MADE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HELP UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, BECAUSE HIRING A MANAGER IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN HIRING OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES.
ONE POINT I'D MAKE IS HIRING YOUR NEXT MANAGER WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION THAT YOU MAKE AS A CITY COMMISSION BECAUSE VIRTUALLY EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE, THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IMPLEMENTING IT, PROBABLY INVOLVED IN HELPING YOU GET TO THAT DECISION-MAKING POINT.
THERE IS NO MORE IMPORTANT DECISION.
ANOTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, ALTHOUGH SEVERAL PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE MADE IT TONIGHT.
THE MANAGER'S JOB IS FAR MORE COMPLICATED THAN MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
A LOT OF TIMES THE CITIES I WORK WITH UNDERESTIMATE THAT AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT MUCH OF A PROCESS.
WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT AND MOST OF THOSE CITIES WIND UP REGRETTING THAT POSITION.
FIRST, A MANAGER HAS TO KNOW HOW TO RUN ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT THE CITY IS IN WATER, SEWER, STORM-WATER, ROADS, PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, OFTEN FIRE, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, HOW TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET.
THAT'S A WHOLE SERIES OF SKILLS. THEY'RE NOT EASY TO LEARN.
MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT IS EFFECTIVELY WORKING IN A COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THIS CASE WITH FIVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, WHOSE TERMS OFTEN CHANGE EVERY TWO YEARS.
I WORKED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES, BUT THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
THE MANAGER HAS TO SUCCESSFULLY WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO TRY TO HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS.
BEING ABLE TO DO THAT TAKES A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING.
I DIDN'T LEARN IT VERY QUICKLY EITHER.
ALSO YOU HAVE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
ATLANTIC BEACH IS A VERY DEMANDING PUBLIC AS IT SHOULD.
IT'S A GREAT CITY, BUT THEY CAN BE VERY DEMANDING AND LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME.
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THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.THERE'S ALSO STATE REGULATORS AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO MAKE HAPPY.
THE POINT OF ALL THIS THOUGH, IS TO SAY, YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL MANAGER WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN ALL OF THESE AREAS.
ATLANTIC BEACH IS NOT A PLACE FOR ON-THE-JOB TRAINING.
YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN GET HERE AND DO THE JOB FOR YOU DAY 1 AND MOVE FORWARD.
I STARTED IN ATLANTIC BEACH WITH OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MANAGING MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS IN GEORGIA BEFORE I CAME DOWN HERE.
I'M NOT THE BEST MANAGER IN THE WORLD, I'M SURE, BUT CERTAINLY I CAME WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
THE CHARTER IN ATLANTIC BEACH USED TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A MANAGER OR ASSISTANT IN ANOTHER CITY BEFORE YOU COULD BE APPOINTED AS A MANAGER IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
THAT WAS TAKEN OUT AFTER I LEFT.
I THINK THAT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE, BUT NONETHELESS, JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE IT USED TO BE THERE.
A NEW MANAGER NEEDS TO EARN THE RESPECT AND TRUST OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING EASILY DONE.
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, AND YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A TEAMWORK ENVIRONMENT WITH THEM.
EACH HAS TO DO OUR JOBS EFFECTIVELY.
A GOOD MANAGER CAN HELP THE ELECTED BODY.
>> TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS ON THESE BIG POLICY DECISIONS AND HELP YOU GET THROUGH THEM.
IT REQUIRES MANAGERS REALLY MORE THAN TWO YEARS TO BE EFFECTIVE.
JUST A POINT I MAKE, WE HAVE AN ETHICS CODE THAT'S VERY STRONG FROM THE ICMA AND THE CITY COUNTY MANAGER ASSOCIATION THAT SAYS, AS A MANAGER, IT IS UNETHICAL FOR A MANAGER TO QUIT A CITY FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE THE BARE MINIMUM STANDARD THAT IT TAKES TO UNDERSTAND A CITY, TO UNDERSTAND THE POLITICS, THE PEOPLE, AND TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE SERVICE.
YOU HAVE HAD QUITE A NUMBER OF MANAGERS HERE, AS FACT, THE AVERAGE TENURE FOR MANY YEARS NOW HAS BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS, AND MEETING A BARELY ACCEPTABLE STANDARD IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ATLANTIC BEACH.
YOU DESERVE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH YOU LONGER THAT YOU CAN TRUST AND WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH.
BY THE WAY, THE AVERAGE TENURE OF MANAGERS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES IS DOWN TO ABOUT SIX YEARS.
IT USED TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT WITH ALL THE POLITICAL INSTABILITY OF RECENT YEARS, THERE'S MORE TURNOVER.
WITH THAT, I HAVE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE FOR YOU.
FIRST, USE A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM.
BRING THEM IN FIRST BEFORE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE STARTING WITH.
THE FIRST THING I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD DO IS SEND OUT AN RFP, WHICH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S SAMPLE RFPS AND THAT SORT OF THING IN THAT SEARCH GUIDE THAT I EMAILED THE LINK TO YOU LAST WEEK.
ONE REASON TO DO THIS WHILE ATLANTIC BEACH IS AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK, AND WOULD BE VERY DESIRABLE BY A LOT OF CANDIDATES.
THERE'S ONE BIG RED FLAG, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER OF MANAGERS YOU'VE HAD IN RECENT YEARS.
IMAGINE YOURSELF AS A CANDIDATE LOOKING AT ATLANTIC BEACH AND AND REALIZING, OF COURSE, ANYBODY'S GOING TO GOOGLE THE CITY AND THE PAST MANAGER, HOW MUCH THE TURNOVER HAS BEEN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WONDER HOW MUCH RISK HAVE I GOT THAT I'M GOING TO BE THERE ONLY TWO YEARS, FOR THEM TO MOVE TO ATLANTIC BEACH, MOVE THEIR FAMILY HERE, PROBABLY BUY A HOUSE AS THEY SHOULD, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT THAT SOMEONE MAKES, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT FOR JUST TWO YEARS.
A SEARCH FIRM CAN HELP TELL YOUR STORY BETTER OF WHAT ATLANTIC BEACH IS ALL ABOUT.
THEY CAN ALSO HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE CANDIDATES THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE APPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE BUSINESS THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE DEALING WITH CANDIDATES EVERY DAY.
THEY CAN HELP YOU OVERCOME THAT.
SECONDLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY INTERNAL CANDIDATES FOR THE JOB, THEN YOU PROBABLY WILL BE BEST TO AVOID THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT WOULD HAPPEN BY TRYING TO DO THE SEARCH WITH INTERNAL EMPLOYEES.
EVEN IF THE CANDIDATE OR CANDIDATES THAT ARE INTERNAL MAY NOT BE INVOLVED IN THE SEARCH ITSELF, PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE WORK WITH THEM OR FOR THEM DAILY.
YOU WOULD SET UP AN IMMEDIATE CONFLICT OF INTEREST SITUATION.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO GO WITH A SEARCH FIRM.
IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT MR. HOGAN CAMP WOULD PROBABLY BE A CANDIDATE, SO THAT MEAN WE'LL CALL FOR THAT.
SECOND, I RECOMMEND YOU FOLLOW THE STEPS IN THE SEARCH GUIDE THAT I HAD SENT TO YOU.
THE LARGELY WHAT YOU HAD JUST FOUND ON AI.
DON'T SHORTCUT THOSE. I SAID, A LOT OF CITIES TRY TO DO THAT.
THEY FIND IT'S A REAL MISTAKE TO DO THAT.
IT'S A LONG PROCESS, BUT I THINK IF YOU REALLY WORK AT IT HARD, YOU'LL GET THE BEST MANAGER THAT YOU CAN FIND.
EACH COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO BE VERY CLOSELY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
I THINK ONE THING A SEARCH FIRM CAN DO IS MEET WITH EACH OF YOU, USUALLY PRIVATELY, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR INTERESTS ARE, WHAT YOU THINK THE CITY NEEDS, AND CONSOLIDATE THAT INTO ONE POSITION PROFILE FOR
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THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE BEFORE IT'S SENT OUT TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT IS NEEDED.I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO WITH THAT.
>> AS I SAID BEFORE, LAST, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HIRE A MANAGER WITH THE EXPERIENCE TO DO THE JOB ON DAY ONE.
THIS IS NOT A PLACE THAT YOU HAVE TO AFFORD TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMEBODY.
SO WITH THAT, I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.
I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY I CAN, EXCEPT OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T DO YOUR SEARCH FOR YOU.
BUT THIS IS MY CITY ALSO, AND I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THE POSITION, BUT I'M HERE TO HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> IF YOU CAN STAND BY FOR SECOND IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S WHOLLY APPROPRIATE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON AGREEMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, WE COULD DO THAT TONIGHT.
>> SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME RESULTS.
AND THE TWO THINGS I HEARD IS I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS AND AGREE WHETHER WE ARE OR ARE NOT USING A PROFESSIONAL FIRM, AND NUMBER TWO IS WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT TOGETHER A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, AND SO FAR WE'VE HEARD THE EXAMPLE, AND I CONCUR WITH IT TO HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH DISTRICT AND ONE AT LARGE.
>> I WOULD BE FOR THE HIRING FIRM FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MR. HANSON JUST SHARED, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
THE OTHER THING WAS THE PANEL.
I'M OKAY WITH SELECTING ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT.
I DO SEE THE VALUE OF ADDING ELECTED FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THERE, TOO, THAT THEY COULD COUNT AS ONE OF THOSE.
NOW, WHEN WE HIRE A PRINCIPAL, I WORK IN EDUCATION, WHEN WE HIRE A PRINCIPAL, THE SUPERINTENDENT IS ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF SELECTING.
BUT OUR SCHOOLS, WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL CREATE A PANEL, AND THE PANEL INCLUDES A PTA PRESIDENT, AT LEAST TWO.
YOU HAVE YOUR PARENTS INVOLVED.
TWO STAFF MEMBERS AND USUALLY THEIR DEPARTMENT HEADS IN THE SCHOOL HOUSE, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME OTHERS WHO ARE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PANEL.
THE PANEL THEY SERVE TO SIFT THROUGH, BUT THEY ALSO ARE RECOMMENDING BODY, NOT A SELECTION OR A HIRING CREW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF DUBAAL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS THE ONE WHO SELECTS.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES US A VOICE FROM ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT FROM THE FAMILIES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM TO THE TEACHERS.
IT ALLOWS US TO KNOW OR THE SUPERINTENDENT KNOW WHO ALL THEY'RE SIFTING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I WOULD LIKE THAT COMMITTEE TO BE FORMED WITH ELECTED PAST ELECTED OFFICIALS.
DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DIVERSE GROUP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO BE STUCK ON ONE PERSON FROM EACH DISTRICT.
I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM EACH AREA TO GIVE US A GOOD PERSPECTIVE.
>> I LIKE BOTH THE IDEAS ABOUT PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM AND A CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
BUT I WOULD CAN WE ASK JIM TO COME TO ASK SOME QUICK.
BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, HOW DOES A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON A CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT AND TWO, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT WHAT CREDENTIALS, WE DON'T WANT MY DRINKING BUDDY TO DECIDE THIS.
WE WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S IN THE PROFESSION OF HIRING PROFESSIONALS.
I'M ASSUMING. WOULD LIKE FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE BEST TO BRING IN YOUR SEARCH FIRM FIRST.
THEY'RE USED TO WORKING WITH GROUPS LIKE THAT.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE MUCH BETTER ADVICE THAN I WOULD HAVE.
I THINK IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, THE FIRST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE THE STAFF TO SEND NRP FOR PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRMS AND AS PART OF THAT SEARCH GUIDE THAT YOU WERE SENT THE LINK, THERE'S A LIST OF SEARCH FIRMS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT ARE WORKING IN FLORIDA RIGHT NOW THAT DO MANAGEMENT SEARCHES FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES.
THEY COULD ADVISE YOU ON THAT. I KNOW SEVERAL CITIES HAVE USED CITIZEN COMMITTEES BEFORE.
I'VE HAD A FEW OF THEM IN SOME OF THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH.
THEY CAN BE FINE ULTIMATELY, THOUGH THE CHOICE IS YOURS.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
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>> BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE INPUT FROM PRIVATE CITIZENS OR ANYBODY ELSE, THAT'S USUALLY FINE.
JUST DON'T MAKE IT TOO COMPLICATED, THAT IT COMES UP TO WORKS, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU SEVERAL MONTHS, AND IT MAY WELL BE WISE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION TO GET ULTIMATELY TO FINISH THIS PROCESS, TOO.
I HEARD THAT. YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LONG TIME FRAME.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION, THAT'S PROBABLY WISE. THANK YOU.
>> I AGREE WITH 90% OF WHAT YOU SAID.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I'M FOR A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM, THEY LIST SGR, GO, H R, MERCER GROUP, ET CETERA.
YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE NAMES?
>> ONE THING I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IS BEFORE WE GO THERE IS THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT TO JOB DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR AS A CITY MANAGER CANDIDATE.
>> I THINK THAT'S A SERVICE THEY USUALLY PROVIDE FOR YOU TO TRY TO PULL THAT OUT OF EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND HELP TO CONSOLIDATE THAT.
>> AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT THEY SHOULD COME TO US, BUT IT HAS TO BE BLENDED INTO THAT JOB DESCRIPTION.
>> YOU KNOW IF I'M CONCERNED ABOUT X, Y AND Z.
>> I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT THERE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH DISTRICT.
I HEARD THE MAYOR'S COMMISSIONER'S IDEA ABOUT PAST PUBLIC OFFICIALS.
THAT'S FINE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY, BUT I THINK AS WE SEARCH THROUGH, AND AGAIN, OPEN TO WHATEVER WE DECIDE I THINK THAT CITIZENS COMMITTEE, WHAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WAS TRANSPARENCY, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE ANY MORE TRANSPARENT THAN HAVING ATLANTIC BEACH CITIZENS SIT THERE, LISTEN, UNDERSTAND THEIR ISSUES, PROBLEMS, CONCERNS, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ACROSS THE BOARD.
THERE'S PROBABLY A MAGIC PERSON FOR MY DISTRICT THAT IS AN HR PROFESSIONAL, THAT HAS WORKED IN GOVERNMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT I THINK THE REPRESENTATION TO BE DEMOCRATIC AND TRANSPARENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE COULD HAVE MORE OR LESS PEOPLE, BUT I TELL YOU, COMMITTEES MORE THAN FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
I AGREE WITH BOTH THAT, BUT I THINK THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS KEY AND ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I ALSO AM VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF HAVING A CITIZENS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JIM. STICK AROUND, BUT HAVE A SEAT.
I'D LIKE TO CALL UP BOB, OUR HR DIRECTOR.
THANKS FOR STAYING THIS LATE, BOB.
>> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEAL WITH THIS RIGHT NOW.
DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT IT TO A VOTE TO START WITH PUTTING IT TOGETHER AN RFP FOR?
>> CONSENSUS WILL WORK ON THIS.
BOB, CAN YOU HANDLE THAT? BECAUSE MR. HOGAN CAMP MAY BE A CANDIDATE FOR THIS, HE WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
THIS IS A DIRECT ENGAGEMENT WITH YOU AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE IS TODAY, IF WE CAN, IS TO PICK ONE OF US THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE LIAISON WITH BOB AND THEN BOB, OF COURSE, WOULD BE INVITED TO ANY SPECIAL MEETINGS OR COMMISSION MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE. YES, MA'AM.
>> I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE PICK SOMEBODY, I'LL BE OUT OF OFFICE AND I'M RETIRED, SO I HAVE TIME.
>> EVERYBODY GOOD WITH CANDICE?
>> I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CANIS, BUT ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WAS, WE MIGHT NOT HIRE SOMEBODY UNTIL THE ELECTION IS OVER [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T WANT TO GO RUN PAST YOU BEING IN OFFICE, AND THEN I KNOW.
>> THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP. IT'S AN EASY HANDOFF BECAUSE ANY ONE OF US WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD BOB.
WE JUST NEED ONE PERSON THAT'S AVAILABLE IF HE NEEDS TO. YES, SIR.
>> I'M WONDERING IF TONIGHT OR SOMETIME SOON, YOU'LL WANT TO NAVIGATE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST ISSUE THAT MR. HANSON RAISED WITH SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR ME BEING INVOLVED IN ASSISTING YOU.
>> BOB, IF YOU WOULD STAND ASIDE FOR SECOND, LET'S BRING MR. HANSON.
>> WELL, I GUESS AS A PRACTICAL WAY, YOU HAVE TO GET THE RFP OUT.
YOU BASICALLY SHOULD DO THE MINIMUM WITH THE CITY STAFF THAT YOU CAN AND LIMIT THEIR INVOLVEMENT TO THAT.
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OBVIOUSLY, THINGS LIKE HAVING THE APPLICATIONS COME IN, MOST SEARCH FORMS WOULD HAVE THEM COME IN DIRECTLY TO THEM.AND THEY COULD THEN SEND THAT INFORMATION ON.
OF COURSE, THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD AS SOON AS THOSE THINGS ARE SUBMITTED, BUT THE GOOD SEARCH FIRM KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE THAT, SO.
BUT I DON'T THINK A MINIMUM JUST BY SENDING OUT THE RFP FOR SEARCH FIRMS AND MAYBE EVALUATING IT AND SUBMITTING IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO GO WITH, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT AS ANY SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST WEEK, CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR AN EXIT INTERVIEW.
I'M NOT QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S VALUE, WHO CONDUCTS IT, AND WHAT WOULD IT TELL US?
>> CURRENTLY, HR DOES CONDUCT THOSE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES THAT LEAVE THE CITY.
MOSTLY TO ASCERTAIN WHY DID THEY LEAVE? WAS IT BENEFITS? WAS IT JUST COMPENSATION AN HOURLY RATE? WAS IT THEY'RE MOVING? WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S MOVING OUT OF STATE NOW.
IT'S GOING TO BE LEAVING THE CITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD VALUABLE INFORMATION WE GET FROM THOSE.
>> I'M GOING TO NOMINATE MYSELF, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
ONE OF MY PAST JOBS WAS HEAD OF MAJOR STAFF JOINT PLACEMENT FOR THE NAVY.
LET'S JUST SAY, WORLDWIDE AND LOOK FOR LEADERSHIP QUALITIES, ET CETERA.
I DID THAT ON NOT JUST MY SECTION OF AVIATION OR WHATEVER, BUT FOR THE WHOLE NAVY.
I THINK I'VE GOT AN HR BACKGROUND THAT MIGHT BRING VALUE.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE CANDICE IS COMING FROM, BUT, LIKE, LIKE ALL OF US, I'VE GOT A JOINT INTEREST, AND I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN THIS. THANK YOU.
>> FINE WITH ME. WELL, AND THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> WHAT HAPPENED TO CANDACE, THOUGH?
YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON AN RFP, AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT READY FOR US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UNLESS WE WERE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ANY FASTER THAN THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BLESS IT.
YOU CERTAINLY COULD PUT IT OUT TO US BEFORE THEN, SO THAT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY READY TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THAT RFP AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'D BE GREAT. YES.
>> MAYOR, WHAT IS THE LIAISON'S RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS.
>> HIS RESPONSIBILITY IS SIMPLY TO BE THE CONNECTION WITH HR, SO WE'RE NOT OVERLOADING HR WITH FIVE VERY PASSIONATE COMMISSIONERS THAT WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB.
>> MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THE JOB.
>> CERTAINLY, YOU WOULD ADVISE US AS TO WHAT YOU NEED.
>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER THE SUNSHINE THEN, BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN YOU APPOINT SOMEONE AS AN EXTENSION OF THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD FALL?
>> IT WOULD NOT, IN THIS CASE.
>> GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD.
BEFORE WE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT TONIGHT AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY SO MOVES, BUT THE ISSUE OF HAVING A CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
I WOULD SAY AND BEFORE YOU COMMENT, AT THE VERY LEAST, WE COULD AGREE THAT IT'S PROBABLY LIKELY WE'RE EACH GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN APPOINTING AT LEAST ONE.
I PREFER THAT IT NOT BE, UNWIELDY WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, BUT AT LEAST ONE PERSON FROM EACH DISTRICT.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE ON TONIGHT, THEN YOU COULD BE PREPARED AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH YOUR CANDIDATE.
PERSONALLY, WHAT I WOULD ASK ON THIS IS THIS IS NOT AS WE MIGHT HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHERE YOU APPOINT ONE, BUT THEN WE ALL STILL COLLECTIVELY VOTE ON IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LICENSE TO GO OUT THERE AND SCREW IT UP.
MEANING YOU GET TO GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR DECISION BECAUSE IT'S YOUR DISTRICT.
IT'S ON YOU TO GET THE BEST PERSON THAT YOU THINK WILL AFFECT GOOD RESULTS FOR THE CITY. YES, COMMISSIONER.
>> I JUST THINK IT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WE DO HAVE A TOWN HALL ON THE 24TH.
I WOULD DEFINITELY DO IT AFTER THAT.
AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, AND I AGREE WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, IT'S EXTENDED.
I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO DIG DOWN TO THE BEST POSSIBLE PERSON I SPOKE BY.
>> I'M FOR THAT. I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE MAYBE PUTTING
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SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEM I UNDERSTAND THAT.HEY, EACH COMMISSIONER IS LOOKING FOR CANDIDATES TO PARTICIPATE IN SAID COMMITTEE.
>> HOLD ON A DANA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY MANAGE IS JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE CANDIDATE FULL FOR COMMITTEES.
>> WHEN THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER SEARCHES, I HAVE GOT INVOLVED IN SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT CERTAINLY SINCE IT INVOLVES THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, IT TELL ME IT IS BETTER TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> YOU AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST WANT TO SAY ANYBODY INTERESTED, OR PLEASE BE MINDFUL THIS IS THE TASK.
IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, REFERRED.
>> YOU'RE THINKING LIKE PERSONNEL OR HR PEOPLE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT?
>> NO, WE HOST THAT, BUT LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU WANT TO GO JUST PURELY ON A PROFESSIONAL BASIS, SOMEBODY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THEIR LIFETIME IN A SEARCH FOR A TOP LEADER.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL,AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHO YOU PICK.
I DON'T WANT TO HAMSTRING THIS COMMISSION.
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO WRITE THE RULES HERE.
I WANT YOU TO WRITE YOUR RULES.
GET SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO HELP US MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
IF EACH OF YOU PICKS SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, THAT'S DEMOCRACY, AND IT'S TRANSPARENT, AND EVERY DISTRICT IS REPRESENTED, IF THAT'S OKAY. YES, MA'AM?
>> I JUST HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT THIS, I REALLY DO NEED MORE INFORMATION.
IN THE PAST, IT HASN'T DONE ANYBODY ANY GOOD TO TELL THEM THAT WE ARE SOLICITING FOR APPLICATIONS IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ROLE IS GOING TO BE.
YOU REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I CAN PUT ANYTHING OUT.
> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IN BIG RUSH, SIR?
>> I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING AT THE NEXT MEETING ROLE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANYBODY TO OUR HR AND TALKING TO OUR SEARCH COMMITTEE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> THEN IF IT'S THE FOLLOWING MEETING THAT WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION, OR IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE LONGER THAN THAT.
BUT QUITE FRANKLY, WE'LL KNOW WHEN WE MEET AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE EACH OF YOU MAY SAY, I'VE ALREADY JUMPED ON THIS, AND I'VE GOT CANDIDATES, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD STILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANYBODY TO APPLY. YES, MA'AM?
>> WOULDN'T YOU WAIT UNTIL THE OUTSIDE AGENCY COMES BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU GIVE WORK TO THAT COMMITTEE?
>> MAYBE SO. I'M NOT TRYING TO BAKE THIS CAKE TONIGHT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING.
>> WELL, WE WERE STARTING TO PUT TIMELINES ON IT THAT SEEMED THE ONLY THING WITHOUT HAVING A SEARCH FIRM THAT ALREADY PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER THAT THEY THEN NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
>> I'M GOING TO GET, MR. HANSON, TO COME BACK UP BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GRILLING ON THIS FOR FREE.
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRO BONO WORK.
>> GOT A PROBLEM, FORTH EVERYTHING YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT.
>> WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR NOW AND JUST BE THINKING ABOUT IT?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE JUST AS EASY TO TABLE IT FOR NOW, GET AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM IN AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE HAVE YOU FOUND IT TO BE MOST SUCCESSFULLY ESTABLISHED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
>>EACH OF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A PASSION HERE, WORK ON YOUR IDEAS, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
MY GOAL HERE OR MY IDEAL IS THAT EVERY SINGLE MEETING UNTIL WE HIRE A CITY MANAGER HAS DISCUSSION ON THE SUBJECT.
WE SHOULD BE PREPARED AND BE THOUGHTFUL EVERY TIME WE COME IN, WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS MEETING? WE'RE AT LEAST MOVING THE CONVERSATION.
>> YES, SIR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT AGENDA ITEMS THAT CHRONOLOGICALLY FOLLOW AS WE GO THROUGH SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT WHAT WE'RE DOING, AT LEAST IN THE SECTION I'M LOOKING AT.
>> ONE OTHER THING WHEN WE'RE DONE THIS DISCUSSION.
I SEE THAT IT'S 2.5 HOURS PLUS SINCE WE STARTED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND A BREAK AFTER 4(A) OR 4(D)
>> YES, BUT I'M GOING TO PULL SOMETHING.
>> DO WE NEED TO TALK TO MR. HANSON MORE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO. MR. HANSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> I'M GOING TO REQUEST ADJOURNMENT.
ANY OBJECTION, AND WE'LL RECESS,
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I'M SORRY, FOR 10 MINUTES AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE.>> CITIZENS, THANKS FOR HANGING IN WITH US.
WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING INTO THE REGULAR BUSINESS, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY.
>> I CAN SEND YOU THE PRINTOUT.
>> ARE WE READY? THE MEETING WILL RECONVENE.
>> LET'S MOVE BACK INTO WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF? ARE WE READY FOR CONSENT?
>> WE'LL GO TO SIX. DO YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION? DO YOU NEED TO PULL IN FOR CONSENT?
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
>> ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW.
THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. THIS IS ITEM 6A, B, C, D, E AND F, 6A, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-02, 6B, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-04, 6C, APPROVED RESOLUTION 26-05, 6D, APPROVED RESOLUTION 26-06, 6E APPROVED RESOLUTION 26-08 AND 6F APPROVED RESOLUTION 26-10.WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS FROM CONSENT IN ORDER TO DISCUSS?
>> HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA 6A THROUGH 6F AS WRITTEN.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS, DO WE?
>> NO, WE ALREADY DID IN THE COMMENT.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 26-03]
>> ITEM 8A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-03, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT FOR ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING AND REPAIRS WITH LIMBO ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AGREEMENTS AND CONTRACTS AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MR. HOGENCAMP.
THIS IS OUR CONTINUING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM ELECTRIC PULL REPAIRS OR OTHER MINOR WORK THAT OUR STAFF CAN'T OR DOESN'T PERFORM.
LIMBO WAS THE ONLY BIDDER, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-03.
>> THEY'RE RESPECTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
>> THEY ARE, AND THEY SERVE A SQUALL. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 26-03.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION.
WHY DO WE THINK THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES TO BID ON THIS? BUT I THINK THAT'S A CONCERNING THING THAT WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE BIDDER, AND WE SHOULD MAYBE LOOK INTO THAT.
>> DULY NOTED. I'LL LOOK INTO IT AND REPORT BACK WHAT I LEARN AND/OR WHAT WE DO TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, MOVING TO ITEM 8B, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-07. WE PULLED THAT.
I DIDN'T CROSS IT OFF, AND THE NEXT ONE.
WOW. THE LIST IS GETTING SHORTER.
[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 26-14]
ITEM 8D, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-14, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE APPOINTMENT OF DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, KEVIN HOGENCAMP, AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AUTHORIZING CONTINUED SERVICE AND CAPACITY OF CITY MANAGER UNTIL THE APPOINTMENT OF A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER, AUTHORIZING AN ADDITIONAL SALARY PERCENTAGE AND MILEAGE ALLOWANCE DURING THE TERM OF SERVICE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REPORT ON THIS, MR. HOGENCAMP, PER SE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL BOB TO THE LECTOR.
BOB HAS FURNISHED THIS SPREADSHEET, WHERE HE HAS UPDATED TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY IN SHORT ORDER, THE COMPENSATION OF THE FOLLOWING CITIES,
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ATLANTIC BEACH, JAX BEACH, NEPTUNE BEACH, FLAGLER BEACH, BUNNELL PALM COAST, FERNANDINA BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.I BELIEVE IT WAS SENT TO EACH OF YOU EARLIER TODAY, AND NOW YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY.
BUT THE ISSUE IS THE RESOLUTION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, BUT IT HAS BLANKS IN IT TO FILL IN ON BOTH SALARY AND CAR ALLOWANCE, REIMBURSEMENT, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.
IF YOU WOULD REPORT TO US, BOB, WHAT YOUR DISCOVERIES ARE AND OR YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE INTERIM PAGE.
>> HAVING 30 YEARS IN HR AND MANAGEMENT, MY RECOMMENDATION IS A 15% INTERIM MANAGER SALARY INCREASE FOR KEVIN, ON TOP OF HIS BASE SALARY NOW.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MISSING IN OUR AGENDA, BUT SOMETHING WAS SENT WITH THE DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES, TOO.
IS THAT IN OUR AGENDA PACKET, OR IS IT JUST IN OUR EMAIL?
>> SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THAT, TOO? RIGHT NOW, WHY ISN'T IT AN AGENDA?
>> I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS INCLUDED.
>> THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT DONE, BUT I THINK BOB'S DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORENSICS SINCE.
>> AGAIN, TYPICALLY WITH INTERIM PAY, YOU WOULD LOOK AT TIME FRAME ANYTHING TO 30 DAYS WOULD PROBABLY INDICATE LESS.
ANYTHING 3-6 MONTHS OR OVER SIX MONTHS WOULD BE MORE, IT'S A BETTER COMMITMENT.
I'M TRYING TO FIND IT BECAUSE I DID HAVE A STATEMENT ON THAT, I CAN'T FIND IT IN MY EMAIL.
BUT I KNOW WE JUST BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ELECTION.
IF WE PUT THIS OUT ALL THE WAY PAST THE ELECTION, THEN WE'RE HAVING TO PAY MORE.
IF WE GO PAST 3-6 MONTHS, THEN IT STEPS UP AGAIN, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE US.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT, BOB?
>> THE AMOUNT OF THE INTERIM PAY PERCENTAGE, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD CHANGE.
EVEN IF IT WAS A 9-12 MONTH COMMITMENT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT KEVIN'S WILLING TO AGREE TO, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN OFFER AND HE HAS TO AGREE, MAYBE HE COUNTERS.
THAT'S CERTAINLY WOULD BE UP TO HIM OR WHOEVER THE CANDIDATE IS CONSIDERED FOR INTERIM.
>> I FOUND IT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU SENT, BOB, 5-10% INCREASE, SHORT-TERM COVERAGE, 30-90 DAYS, 10-15% INCREASE EXTENDED INTERIM ASSIGNMENT 3-6 MONTHS, 15-20% INCREASE, FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR A HIGHER LEVEL ROLE, ESPECIALLY SENIOR LEADERSHIP ROLE LIKE A CITY MANAGER FOR 3-6 MONTHS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE 15% FLAT, AND IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CLIMB OR GET MORE IF IT TAKES LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT.
>> THAT WOULDN'T BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT MAY BE A COUNTER FROM THE CANDIDATE.
>> WELL, TWO WAYS. COMMISSIONERS AHEAD.
>> A QUICK QUESTION. I THINK THE DOCUMENT THAT COMMISSIONER RING TALKING ABOUT.
THAT IN THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK?
>> NO, IT IS NOT IN OUR EMPLOYED.
THERE IS AN EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK RIGHT THAT SHOWS THAT?
>> NO. IT IS NOT COVERED IN RN.
>> THIS IS FROM S-H-R-N THAT YOU SENT.
>> SHRN IS A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION, PROBABLY THE BEST KNOWN, WELL-ATTENDED, LITERALLY 300,000 PLUS MEMBERS.
>> TAKING A LOOK AT THE MACRO SITUATION HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE INTENDING TO HIRE ANOTHER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
AFTER 10 WEEKS, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON ON THE PAYROLL.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
I BELIEVE 15% WOULD BE A BARGAIN FOR THE CITY FOR ONE PERSON, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATH, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING. MY OPINION.
>> DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THIS AS LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 15% WITH AN ESCALATION TO 20%, IF IT GOES OVER SIX MONTHS?
>> I WOULD AGREE, ESPECIALLY TAKING US ALL THE WAY THROUGH BUDGET.
>> ONE THING FROM THE HR PERSPECTIVE, AND I'LL DEFER TO BOB IS YOU LOOK AT A SALARY, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT TOTAL COMPENSATION, THE BENEFITS, ETC.
IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER THAN WHEN YOU FIT INTO THE MILL.
I THINK THAT'S RELATIVE TO MAXIM OF SENSE THAT WE CAN INCREASE KEVIN AS LONG AS HE'S HERE, AND WE ACTUALLY NET WILL PROBABLY MAKE MONEY THE TIME.
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>> WELL, WE EXPECT TO WORK TWICE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HIRING TWO.
BUT HERE'S A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL.
SINCE WE HAVE THIS PRE-PRINTED DOCUMENT WITH SPACE TO PUT $1 AMOUNT IN, DO WE CALCULATE ALL DAY, OR DO WE JUST PUT IN 15% FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS AND 20% ANYTHING OVER?
>> I THINK YOU CAN YOU CAN GO WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU, AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT.
I WOULD INCLUDE A TEMPORARY INCREASE OF 15% TO HIS CURRENT BASE SALARY, WHICH SHALL INCREASE ONCE MORE TO 20% AT SIX MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS.
>> IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MR.?
>> I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH THIS, SOMEBODY MOVE THAT AMENDMENT WITH THAT TWO PHASE BRACKET IN THERE, AND WE'LL JUST AMEND THE RESOLUTION ACCORDINGLY.
THE ONLY OTHER BLANK, OBVIOUSLY, IS THE MILEAGE ALLOWANCE, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO BE.
I'D WRAP ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS INTO.
DID WE ALREADY MOVE THIS? WE DID BEFORE WE STARTED I JUST HAD THE DISCUSSION.
IT COULD BE JUST ONE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT.
SO NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IS THE CAR ALLOWANCE.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SAME THAT IT IS NOW FOR THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS $500 PER MONTH.
>> YOU GOOD WITH IT? THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO WRAP UP. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU?
>> SO LET'S GET ONE MOTION TO WRAP ALL THIS TOGETHER.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 26-14 AMENDED TO SHOW 15% BASE PAY INCREASE TO 20%, SHOULD IT BE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS INCLUDED THE MILEAGE RATE OF $500.
>> JUST TO JUST UBER CLARIFICATION, SIX MONTHS AFTER TONIGHT.
>> EFFECT DATE. AFTER EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> GOT IT. THERE'S NO FIVE DISCUSSION.
>> WHEN HE COLLAPSES FROM OVER WORK? I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE WORKLOAD.
BECAUSE HE'S NOT BEEN SITTING ON HIS TWIDDLING HIS THUMBS ALL DAY.
>> BUT I THINK REASONABLY, HE'S GOING TO WORK HARD, BUT MY EXPECTATION IS THAT HE NOT WORK AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT.
I HOPE WE'RE NOT ASKING HIM TO WORK 80 HOUR WEEKS.
>> REMEMBER THAT A GOOD CITY MANAGER HAS RESOURCES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AM I CORRECT? ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE CAN LOOK TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES THAT KEVIN CAN TALK AND MAYBE MOVE SOME WORK AROUND.
>> WELL, TO FURTHER ADD TO THAT IN THIS PERIOD, SO SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT MR. HOGAN CAMP HAS TODAY, WHICH ARE MEDIA INTERFACE AND SO ON.
MAYBE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, WE OUTSOURCED THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED TODAY.
I THINK WE HAVE TO TRUST AND YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR LIMITATIONS ARE AS WE GO AND LET US BACKSTOP YOU WITH ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
>> I MEAN, MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STEAL YOUR WORDS, BUT I THINK THE EXPECTATION FROM THE COMMISSION IS THAT WE MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, OR HOPEFUL SO WE WOULD LOOK TO YOU TO COME BACK WITH A MOTION OR A RESOLUTION THAT WE ADD X Y AND Z THAT'S NECESSARY. THAT'S MY OPINION.
>> GOOD. YES. YOU MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL OF OUTSOURCING.
CERTAINLY, THAT'S ON MY RADAR DELEGATION, CERTAINLY IS WORKING MORE EFFICIENTLY, LEANING ON THE GOOD FOLKS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I AM PREPARED TO TACKLE THIS, AND IF IT GETS TO BE A POINT WHERE I NEED TO COME HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION, IT'LL BE MY JOB TO DO THAT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN CRITIQUED BY COUNSEL, AND I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
WE HAVE A SECOND. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME. THANK. MR. CITY MANAGER.
I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NEEDS TO USE THE TERM INTERIM CITY MANAGER, EVEN THOUGH IT IS OFFICIALLY INTERIM, BUT ON A I MEAN, YOU TELL ME, COUNSELOR.
ONE OF THE PROVISIONS IN HERE IS THAT PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 2, SECTION TEN,
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HE IS GOING TO BE EXERCISING ALL THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER.>> WELCOME, MR. CITY MANAGER.'S.
CITY MANAGER, WE EXPECT THAT ALCOHOL POLICY, I'LL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH.
NO HARD LIQUOR BECAUSE OF PI. SORRY.
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 5-26-73, Public Hearing and Final Reading]
>> WE'RE MOVING TO ORDINANCE NINE A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-20 6-73, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, COUNTY OF DUVAL, STATE OF FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 14, PLANNING ZONING APPEALS, ARTICLE 1 SECTION 14-1, REMOVE OUTDATED REFERENCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ARTICLE 2, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, SECTIONS 14-17, COMPOSITION, QUALIFICATIONS OF MEMBERS, OFFICERS ADDING A SECOND ALTERNATE MEMBER, SECTION 14-18, TERMS OF OFFICE OF MEMBERS, FILLING OF VACANCIES, DELINEATING THE SUCCESSION OF THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS, SECTION 14-19.
REMOVAL OF MEMBERS CLARIFYING THE PROCESS.
SECTION 14-24, APPEALS, CHANGING DIRECTOR TO CITY MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. HOGAN CAM.
>> MAYOR AND COMMISSION, THIS IS A SECOND READING.
THE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED ON FIRST READING ON DECEMBER 8.
WE RECOMMEND YOU REVIEW AND VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE AND ASK STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OBJECTED TO THIS IDEA OF A SECOND A ALTERNATE.
BUT WE PROPOSE THIS IN RESPONSE TO A PROBLEM OF ACHIEVING A QUORUM IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T JUST PULL THIS OUT OF THE AIR, AND WE WERE SOLVING A PROBLEM WHERE A RATHER IMPORTANT COMMITTEE WAS NOT HAVING A QUORUM.
AND SO I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.
>> DO WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK, DONNA?
>> THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS QUESTIONABLE AS TO WHETHER THEY INTENDED TO MARK THAT OR NOT.
>> IS ANYBODY HERE EXPECTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ORDINANCE? HAVING NOBODY HERE TO RESPOND, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION?
>> I RECOMMEND WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-2673.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
[10.A. Beaches Town Center Parking Fee]
MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING.ITEM TEN A, BEACHES TOWN CENTER PARKING FEE.
I'M GOING TO LET YOU LEAD OFF ON THAT, MR. MAYOR.
>> THANKS. MY REQUEST OF THE CITY COMMISSION TODAY IS TO PERMIT ME BY VIRTUE OF YOUR VOTE TO MODIFY THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER PAID PARKING RATE.
FROM $1 REACH 30 MINUTES TO $2.50 AN HOUR AND TO ALLOW FREE PARKING FOR UP TO 4 HOURS INSTEAD OF THREE FOR ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS WHO'VE REGISTERED FOR THE PAID PARKING.
WELL, I THINK YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY INFORMED ON THIS TOPIC.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE, AS YOU SEE FIT OR TO DISCUSS HOW AND HOW THE CITY CODE COMES INTO PLAY WITH THIS REQUEST.
>> I ASKED BILL AND I THINK HE WAS GOING TO TALK TO CHIEF DI.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS IS ARE WE LOOKING INTO WHAT IT WOULD COST CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO ADMINISTER THEIR OWN PARKING? DID HE ASK YOU THAT?
>> SURE. AS HE APPROACHES MA, CAN I INTRODUCE THAT THOUGHT AND WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE CERTAINLY ARE PREPARED TO DETERMINE ALL THOSE COSTS IF YOU WANT THAT THAT STUDY CONCURRENT TO US MOVING FORWARD WITH INCREASING THE FEE.
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WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PUT A FULL FLEDGED EFFORT INTO SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT A PAID PARKING PROGRAM ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH WOULD LOOK LIKE UNTIL OR UNLESS YOU ALL COLLECTIVELY GIVE US THE DIRECTION TO DO SO.>> THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
I REMEMBER TANTAS WAS HERE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS THE FIRST TIME, AND I WENT BACK TO THAT AGREEMENT.
ONE THING IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THAT NEPTUNE BEACH WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OVER HERE ON A YEARLY BASIS.
ACKNOWLEDGE. AGAIN, WE'RE COMPLICIT IN THAT WE DIDN'T PULL THEM OVER AND ASK THEM WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE THEY CAME THE FIRST YEAR.
I DON'T BELIEVE CAN YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THEY DIDN'T COME THE SECOND, THE THIRD YEAR. THEN WE SAW THAT.
THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF MY QUESTION WAS, HEY, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE WANT TO HEAR, BUT IF THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO FIGURE THAT OUT, CHIEF, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF YOU KNOW.
ODDLY ENOUGH, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTRACTING WITH A NEW VENDOR FOR 18TH AND 19TH STREET BECAUSE OUR PREVIOUS VENDOR WAS NOT ABLE TO MEET SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE ASKED THEM FOR AS FAR AS RESIDENTS AND RESIDENT LISTS WHO COULD PARK THERE FOR FREE.
THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET THOSE REQUESTS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT T2, WHO IS THE SAME VENDOR THAT NEPTUNE BEACH USES TO MANAGE THE TOWN CENTER PARKING.
I THINK AS WE HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS WITHT2 AND UNDERSTAND THEIR FEE STRUCTURES, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S FEASIBLE FOR US TO DO BECAUSE PART OF THAT WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE.
PEOPLE ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART IN THE OPERATION.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE REVENUE POSSIBILITIES WERE WITH THEIR FEE STRUCTURES, AND WITH US PROVIDING ENFORCEMENT TO GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE, NOT AT THE MOMENT. IN THE FUTURE.
>> BUT I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND THAT I ASKED BILL ABOUT THIS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER, LET ME BRING YOU IN A SECOND, BUT LET ME JUST ALSO COMMENT THAT WE ARE AT THIS TIME WAITING FOR NEPTUNE BEACH TO PRODUCE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE IN THE NEW AGREEMENT, WHICH IS NOW, I THINK, TWO YEARS EXPIRED.
IF YOU COULD KIND OF ACCELERATE 18TH TO 19TH WITHT2, THEN WE WOULD KNOW WHERE WE STAND WHEN THAT AGREEMENT COMES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE EXTORTED ON THIS.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU.
>> T2. BUT NO, WE WANT TO PARTNER.
AND LOOK, THE REALITY IS, I DON'T THINK ANY ONE OF US ON THIS DAYS WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO OUR OWN VENDOR, SAME OR NOT, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE KEEN ON CHARGING DIFFERENT RATES, ALTHOUGH WE COULD.
BECAUSE THAT IS SO PROBLEMATIC.
I JUST CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU'RE AT A BUCK AN HOUR AND THEY'RE AT TWO AN HOUR, YOU GUESS WHO GETS ALL THE PARKING.
>> MY QUESTION TO THE CHIEF IS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S, LIKE, 100,000 OUTSTANDING FINES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN COLLECTED.
>> I COULD ANSWER THAT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORATION IS.
>> SEEMS LIKE I HEARD 143,000.
THIS IS OVER THE LIFE IS OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM.
BUT IT'S POTENTIALLY 800,000, BUT THIS IS NOT PER SE, A FAULT OF NEPTUNE BEACH.
IT IS WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO SEVEN YEARS AGO THAT DID NOT HAVE THIS CAPACITY FOR COLLECTION.
>> WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT ANYBODY'S FAULT, BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS PAID PARKING THING, THEN WE NEED TO COLLECT THE FINES, WHATEVER IT IS.
>> I'M AWARE, AND I THINK CHIEF, YOU'VE BEEN ON ENOUGH MEETINGS, AND SO HAVE YOU, MR. HOGAN CAMP, IS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE EXPECTATION.
>> WHEN THEY BRING BACK THEIR REVISED AGREEMENT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT.
RIGHT NOW, OUR NEW CITY MANAGER IT IS HIS TASK TO INTERFACE AND GET THAT DONE.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS GOING TO BE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTED ON AN EXIT STRATEGY IF THEY DON'T PERFORM.
I'VE HEARD FROM MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE.
THAT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANY REPORTING.
THEY KNOW THAT. I'M NOT HERE TO PICK ON THEM.
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB GOING FORWARD.
IF THEY DO, AND IT WORKS FOR US, WE SHOULD STAY PARTNERS.
IF NOT, THEN WE SHOULD LOOK AT OUR GO IN.
YES, BRUCE, HOLD ON, BUT I'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND.
>> IT'S PROBABLY NOT. THERE IS A WAY TO MODEL THIS, RIGHT?
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NUMBER OF PARKING MENOR TIME.I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH THIS, MODEL IT AND SEE WHERE THE PRICE TAKES US AND YOU KNOW, INCLUDE FINES IN THERE.
YOU'D BE SURPRISED THE MATH THAT THEY CAN DO.
I KNOW IT'S INTUITIVE TO YOU THAT I'M DRIVING DOWN AND I'M LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PARK.
I'M GOING TO GO AT THE DOLLAR VERSUS THE $2.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO THE FIRST ONE.
WE CAN MONITOR THAT NUMERIZE IT AND PUT IT INTO THE MACHINE.
>> GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. COMMISSIONER RING.
>> CHIEF, DIDN'T WE RECENTLY PASS AT THE COMMISSION A COLLECTION AGENCY TO HELP US HANDLE THAT?
>> THAT WAS FOR SPEEDING TICKETS OR SO IT WAS FOR ALL OUTSTANDING FINES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CONTROLLING.
IT IS FOR ANIMAL CONTROL VIOLATIONS.
THEY'VE ONLY BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FOR US.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN SOME REVENUE COME IN FROM THOSE COLLECTIONS.
>> COULD WE LUMP THIS IN WITH THAT? I WELL NO, THE TOWN CENTER PARKING IS SEPARATE THAN THE OTHER PARKING ISSUE.
>> YES. BECAUSE THEY MANAGE THAT FOR US, THOSE REALLY AREN'T OUR TICKETS.
>> HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST US? I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT CONTRACT.
>> THE COST TO THE SO THE COST IS PASSED ON TO WHOEVER HAS THE OUTSTANDING PINE, AND IT'S A FEW DOLLARS.
>> THE COLLECTION ONLY RECEIVES ANY PAYMENT IS IF THEY GET PAYMENT.
>> YES. I JUST SAID ONE QUICK QUESTION.
HAVE THE FEE THAT WE CHARGED A 18TH AND 19TH? HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN SIMILAR OR THE SAME AS WHAT'S CHARGED AT THE TOWN CENTER, OR WE I THINK OF THAT AS MORE PREMIUM PARKING THAN THE TOWN CENTER.
>> WE TRIED TO MODEL 18TH AND 19TH STREET AFTER JACKS BEACH.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN TOWN CENTER.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S EXACTLY DOLLAR DOLLAR.
SAME, BUT THE IDEA WAS IS BEACH PARKING SHOULD BE AT LEAST SIMILAR TO WHAT JACKS BEACH WAS CHARGING.
WE WERE AT DOLLAR FOR EVERY 30 MINUTES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO FAR, IT'S PRECISELY WHAT BEACHES TOWN CENTER PAID PARKING IS.
UNLESS WE BRING THAT OTHERWISE.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. THAT'S FINE.
BECAUSE IF YOU WERE HERE NINE YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THIS WHEN WAS NINE, IT WAS SEVEN, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE PARKING IN TOWN CENTER AND GOING TO THE BEACH AND THAT THE MERCHANTS WANTED TURNOVER, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD THE HOURS WE HAD.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT LIKE 4 HOURS DAYTIME, FINE, BUT AT NIGHT, THEY WANT TURNOVER.
UPON FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT I'VE ASKED TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CONCURRENTLY DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO CODIFY THIS.
WHILE AS YOU MENTIONED, WHILE WE ARE WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ILA WITH THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH, AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO ALL WITH A NEW ILA.
IT IS OUR REQUEST IN THE MEANTIME TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT NEPTUNE BEACH HAS DONE, WITH THE THE IDEA, THE HOPE, THE PLAN THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE OFFICIALLY, LIVING BY THE CONFINES OF THE INTERCAL AGREEMENT WHEN WE BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
>> ONE THING FOR COMMISSIONER GRANT.
YOU'RE WELL AWARE THAT THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY IS MEETING TOMORROW.
>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.
>> I'M HAPPY TO I'M TURN THAT OVER, AND IT'S ALL YOU ALL.
>> I'M PRAISING YOU FOR BEING PART OF BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY.
I WILL GIVE YOU ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED AT 5:00 TOMORROW.
>> AT KELLER W. RICHARD ARTHUR, HOLD MY HAND ON THAT.
>> WE'RE OKAY. I NEED A MOTION ON THIS.
>> I MOVED THAT WE APPROVE BEACHES TOWN CENTER PARKING FEE INCREASE.
>> AS WELL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE.
[OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T HAVE A BILL, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED A MOTION IN.
>> IT SAYS STATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
>> AS STATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
>> OPPOSED. MOTION CARRY'S [OVERLAPPING] OH IS YOUR NAME?
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>> WE HAVE A 41 VOTE DISSENTING [OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER KELLY.
I DO BELIEVE IF WE STILL HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE THERE.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL A WHILE AGO THAT YOU MUST BE THAT CANDIDATE, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WOULD STAY FOR THIS.
[10.B. Public Hearing - APP25-0007 - Appeal of a decision of the Community Development Board (CDB) for variance ZVAR25-0018 at 136 Oceanforest Drive N]
WE HAVE ITEM 10(B), PUBLIC HEARING ON APP 25-007.THIS IS AN APPEAL OF A DECISION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, CDB FOR VARIANCE ZVAR 25-0018 AT 1:36 OCEAN FOREST DRIVE, NORTH SO, CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME RULES?
>> BECAUSE IT'S AN APPEAL, THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER, AND AS SUCH, THERE'S JUST A FEW PROCEDURAL THINGS WE NEED TO COVER.
NUMBER 1, THE PROCEDURAL FORMAT IS THAT, WE'LL START WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION.
AFTER THAT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST.
THAT'S FOLLOWED BY ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE ANY HERE.
THEN THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THEN AFTER ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANY REBUTTAL AND LIMITED TO THE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP.
AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULD TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
YOUR QUASI JUDICIAL CONSIDERATION HERE IS IT SHOULD BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE DECISION SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY FACT-BASED TESTIMONY OR EXPERT TESTIMONY AND NOT ANY GENERALIZED CONCERNS OR OPINIONS.
LASTLY, BECAUSE IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL, EACH COMMISSIONER HERE SHOULD DISCLOSE ON THE RECORD IF THEY'VE HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE HEARING, AND IF YOU HAVE BRIEFLY STATE WHEN THAT COMMUNICATION OCCURRED, WHO IT WAS WITH, AND BRIEFLY WHAT WAS DISGUISED AND WITH THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?
NEXT ITEM IS SWEARING IN THINK. HERE WE GO.
ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS WILL NEED TO RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND DONNA WILL ASK YOU TO SWEAR.
>> YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> THANK YOU, DONNA. AMANDA, WOULD YOU COME UP AND KICK US OFF WITH A OVERVIEW?
>> AMANDA, ASK YOU, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
I'M GOING TO SHARE A QUICK POWERPOINT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A POWERPOINT.
>> DONNA, CAN YOU [INAUDIBLE] OUT THERE.
>> NOT PART OF ONE THE ONE YOU WANT, IS IT?
>> WILL YOU SHARE THE STAFF PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 136 OCEANFOREST DRIVE NORTH IN THE OCEAN WALK COMMUNITY.
THIS ITEM DID GO BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD BACK IN THE FALL, AND THEY DID THAT DID NOT MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN 24-65 IN ORDER TO GRANT A VARIANCE.
IT IS ZONED RS ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
IT IS L SHAPED PROPERTY AND IT HAS FRONTAGE ON TWO STREET SIDES.
IT'S GOT A WIDER SIDE TOWARDS THE STREET AND THEN A NARROWER THE L PART GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE DRAINAGE AREA.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW, OWNS THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS 23,43, SO THEY OWN BOTH PARCELS.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AS I MENTIONED, HEARD THIS IN THE FALL AND DID NOT FIND THAT ANY OF THE CRITERIA LISTED IN THE CODE WAS RELEVANT IN ORDER TO GRANT RELIEF.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A REDUCTION IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
OR FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, 24-151 (K(1)) DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF A 5' SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT INCLUDES AIR CONDITIONERS, POOL EQUIPMENT, AND GENERATORS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
HERE'S A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THAT THEY DO HAVE A VERY LARGE CORNER LOT LINE WITH 38.3' AND ON THE OTHER STREET FRONTAGE BEACH COMER,
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THEY HAVE 54.2' IN THE REAR, THEY HAVE 20', AND THEN IT DOES THAT ODD ANGLE OR L SHAPE THERE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.>> DONNA, CAN YOU MOVE THE BOX SHOWING US SO WE CAN [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU.
>> IN 1999, AN ADDITION WAS ADDED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME AND WAS APPROVED.
HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT QUITE BUILT ACCORDING TO PLANS, AND IT CREATED A NON-CONFORMITY.
THAT ADDITION WAS BUILT BACK IN 1999, AND SOMETHING HAPPENED AND IT WAS PLACED AND IT'S ONLY PLACED AT 16.7' OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY BECAUSE THEY DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OBTAINED A LAWFUL BUILDING PERMIT.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SECTION OF THE CODE IS 24-151.
IT DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF A 5' SEPARATION.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SURVEY THAT THEY DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PAVERS IN THE YARD AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND IN THE AREA THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THEIR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPOSED GENERATOR IS APPROXIMATELY THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 2.5' OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
HERE'S A AERIAL PHOTO SHOWING IT.
IT IS GREATLY VEGETATED IN THAT AREA.
THEN YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
WE'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
BUT YOUR GROUNDS FOR DECISION ON BASING OF THE CODE IS BASED ON 24-65(C).
YOU BASICALLY NEED TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND IF YOU FIND THAT ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING EXIST, THEN YOU CAN GRANT THAT APPROVAL.
EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS COVER NEAR THE PROPERTY.
SURROUNDING CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES IMPACTING THE PROPERTY DISPARAGELY FROM NEARBY PROPERTIES.
EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENTING THE REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS COMPARED TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
NUMBER 4, ONEROUS EFFECT OF REGULATIONS ENACTED AFTER THE PLATTING OR AFTER DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN YOU REVIEW THIS AND YOU VOTE ON THE APPEAL, AN APPROVAL WOULD MEAN THAT YOU ARE APPROVING THE VARIANCE, AND DENIAL WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE APPROVING THE VARIANCE.
THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR STAFF.
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE THAT BEFORE THIS PAGE YOU'RE SHOWING NOW.
>> WHERE DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO FROM THERE?
THAT'S THE YARD THAT THEY HAD 16.7' AVAILABLE AND THEY ARE SEEKING TO GET THE GENERATOR WITHIN 2.5'.
THE CODE DOES REQUIRE A 5' SEPARATION BETWEEN THEIR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND ANY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
>> WHERE IS THE EXISTING A NEW GENERATOR?
>> YES, IT IS A NEW GENERATOR.
BUT IN THE AREA SHOWN IN YELLOW, JUST SOUTH OF THE BLUE THERE, THAT'S WHERE THEIR EXISTING EQUIPMENT IS.
THEY HAVE POOL EQUIPMENT AND AC EQUIPMENT IN THAT AREA.
>> THE GENERATOR IS ALREADY THERE WITH THE AC?
>> NO, THEY'RE SEEKING TO PLACE A GENERATOR.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE A GENERATOR.
>> DONNA, THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION THEY WISH TO SHOW.
>> I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M MITCH MCCUE.
I'M A RETIRED JACKSONVILLE AND ATLANTIC BEACH FIREMAN FROM NEXT DOOR.
I'M ALSO THE GUY THAT YOU GUYS BEAT OUT OF SIX LOTS TO WIDE YOUR CITY YARD.
JOE GARRITY. I HAD THE LOTS BEHIND YOU GUYS, AND HE CALLED ME, CALLED ME, CALLED ME.
I I GUESS I'LL SELL. I'M THAT GUY.
I'M A RETIRED JACKSONVILLE FIREMAN PARAMEDIC MITCH MCCUE.
I'VE LIVE AT THE BEACH FOR A LONG TIME.
I AM ALSO A GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
I'M A HEATING AIR CONTRACTOR AND A ROOFING CONTRACTOR.
WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO HERE IS WE HAVE A LOT THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE HOW IT'S EVEN PLATTED, HOW IT ALL HAPPENED, IS BEYOND ME.
I'M LADDER PART OF ALL OF THE ADDITIONS, ALL OF THE MADNESS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THEY OWN FIVE HOMES ON THE STREET.
WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING, WE OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, SO IF THAT NEIGHBOR HAS A COMPLAINT, WE'RE THAT NEIGHBOR, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE PROPERTY IS IN A TRUST, SO IT'S ALL GOING TO GO TO THE KIDS, ETC.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A SITUATION WITH THE MOTHER.
SHE WILL BE COMING TO THE HOME.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS TO PUT A GENERATOR THERE IN CASE THE SUMMER STORMS COME AND THE POWER GOES OUT.
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SHE IS ON OXYGEN.THIS IS GOING TO BE A MEDICAL NEED.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
ALSO, THAT'S THE MOTHER SHIP HOME FOR ALL THE FAMILY TO COME TO IF THINGS GET BAD.
AS I GO THROUGH MY POWER PRESENTATION, I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND I FEEL LIKE OUR LOT HAS BEEN DISPARAGINGLY IMPACTED BY INSPECTIONS NOT OCCURRING A PROPERLY.
I ALSO SAY THE DEVELOPER IS AT BLAME HERE.
WE'LL LOOK AT IT. MY POWERPOINT IS RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE GENERATORS A YOUNG LADY SHOWED EARLIER.
IF YOU SEE THE TOP LEFT, WE'RE ASKING FOR 2.5'.
TO THREE FEET WOULD PROBABLY WORK. HERE'S THE ISSUE.
WHEN YOU LOOK UP THERE JUST ABOVE IT, IT SAYS, 16.7' IN THAT IMAGE TO THE LEFT.
THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WHEN THE BATTER BOARDS WERE PLACED, SHOULD HAVE MEASURED FROM THE CORNER OF THAT HOME TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 20'.
HOWEVER, IT GOT PAST SO HERE WE ARE.
IF THE 20' WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT APPROPRIATELY, I WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW.
THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS, AS YOU SEE AS YOU GO ALONG.
ALL OF MY GAS LINES, ALL OF MY ELECTRICAL LINES, EVERYTHING THAT SUPPLIES TO THIS HOME GOES RIGHT THROUGH THIS AREA.
IT IS CONVENIENT IN TERMS OF SAVING MONEY.
WHEN I WENT TO THE OTHER BOARD AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY WANTED IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ALL WAY ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT'S $21,000 WORTH OF LANDSCAPE DAMAGE AND EVERYTHING JUST TO GET THE LINES THERE.
THAT'S NOT THE GENERATOR. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.
PERMITS, WHEN WE'RE PERMITTING JOBS HERE IN THE CITY, PERMITS MEAN PROTECTION TO WHOM THE CONSUMER.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THE CONSUMER IN TERMS OF LIKE LANDING JOBS AS A CONTRACTOR.
IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. OUT OF THIS, I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO LAND A JOB, BUT ALSO SIMPLY TRY TO GIVE SOMEBODY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILY IN A BAD SITUATION.
WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT POWERPOINT.
PLEASE, MA'AM. THESE ARE OVERVIEWS, OLD OVERVIEWS.
IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE DUMPSTER, ETC.
A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE HERE.
THE MOM LIVES NEXT DOOR, WHICH WILL BE GOING INTO THE BIG HOUSE, AND WE HAVE MOVED IN ONE OF THE SONS AND DAUGHTER IN LAW THERE WITH THE TWINS.
WE OWN BOTH PARCELS, THEY'RE IN TRUST, AND AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE ADDED THIS LITTLE L SHAPE IN THE BACK, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE POOL BY THE LAKE SO THEY WERE ABLE TO CARVE OUT A PORTION OF THAT LOT AND MAKE IT CONTIGUOUS WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ON OCEAN FORCE DRIVE NORTH, 136.
DONNA, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE TO, PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THIS IS A GENERAL PREDICTION, A GENERAL LOCATION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAVERS, IF WE COME 5' OFF THE HOUSE, IT'LL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EGRESS, THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
IF THE HOUSE WERE TO CATCH ON FIRE, WHICH I'VE BEEN IN SEVERAL.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE PLACE TO HEY, WE'RE GOING TO STAGE HERE, WE'LL MEET AT THE HYDRANT.
WELL, WHEN THE HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, ALL THAT GOES OUT THE WINDOW AND ALL THAT STUFF YOU PLAN ACTUALLY WORKS.
THE OTHER THOUGHT PROCESS, THERE'S THE METER CAN IN THAT PICTURE ON THE TOP LEFT OR THE BOTTOM LEFT, YOU'LL SEE BY THE GARBAGE CAN.
THAT'S WHERE WE'LL TIE IN THE TRANSFER SWITCH FOR THE GENERATOR.
THE LP GAS IS JUST IN FRONT OF THAT LOCATION IN THE YARD.
IT MAKES LITERALLY A 20' RUN TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER.
AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR 2.5', IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT THAT WE'RE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE JUST GOT TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BASICALLY IN THE HOA, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MECHANICAL BLIND OVER ALL YOUR AIR CONDITIONING, CONDENSERS, POOL EQUIPMENT, ETC.
CURRENTLY, IN ATLANTIC BEACH HAS NO REGULATORY GUIDELINES ON BLINDS FOR GENERATORS.
THEY SHOULD. YOU'RE REQUIRING US TO DO IT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GENERATOR SITTING OUT HERE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE A BLIND ON. THAT LOOKS PRETTY GAUDY.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT.
IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, MA'AM.
THIS IS ME STANDING FROM THE STREET WHERE THE MAILBOX IS IN BETWEEN THESE TWO HOMES.
THE PARCEL THE AREA WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THE TOP PICTURE IS JUST UP JUST BEHIND THAT BUSH.
THERE'S A LITTLE PAVER AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THAT AREA.
BEACH COMBER IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT'S THE HOME WE ON TO THE SOUTH OF THE 136.
THEN AGAIN, THERE'S THE AREA, THAT BOTTOM PICTURE, YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO THE AREA IN WHICH WE WANT TO PUT THE GENERATOR.
THE GENERATOR REQUIRES A POURED PATH, SO WE HAVE TO FORM A PAD AND POUR IT DUE TO UPLIFT, ETC.
WE CAME TO THE METER ON PAPERS. YOU CAN'T DO IT.
IT VIOLATES YOUR CODE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN THE BEST PLACE WE CAN.
AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE 5' RULE AND ALL THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING IN A MINUTE THAT BLOWS THAT COMPLETELY
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OUT OF THE WINDOW, AND IT WAS PERMITTED.LET'S LOOK AT THE NEXT PICTURE IF WE CAN.
THIS IS THE UNIT IN WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT.
I'M MISSING MY SURVEYS. I'M MISSING.
>> MAYBE YOU ONLY DID ODD PAGES OR SOMETHING.
YOU WANT TO RESCHEDULE? I'M TEACHING.
>> WELL, WHAT I CAN DO IS SHOW YOU MY SLIDE HERE.
I HAVE A HOUSE AT OCEAN BOULEVARD IN TENTH STREET, AND I'VE GONE THERE AND MEASURED THEIR GENERATOR.
THEIR GENERATOR IS 59" OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU GOT TO MAINTAIN 5', THAT'S 60".
THE GENERATOR IS 6" OFF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, WHAT ATLANTIC BEACH STATES IN YOUR GENERATOR CHECKLIST IS THIS.
GENERATOR SPACING FROM THE BUILDING SHALL MEET THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS OF ALL OPENINGS, OPERABLE DOORS, AND INCLUDING NEIGHBORS HOMES.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I JUST PASS THIS ROUNDS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A GENERATOR BY YOUR HOME, IT MUST MAINTAIN 18" OFF OF THE HOME.
THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE THERE AT OCEAN AND BEACH IS 59" FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND 7" OFF THE HOUSE.
IF I PUSH THAT GENERATOR TO WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
BY THE MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS, BY WHAT YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO DO, IT'S IN NONCOMPLIANCE.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE GENERATOR CANNOT BE WITHIN 60" OF A EVE OF A HOME.
IF THERE'S A WINDOW ADJACENT TO THAT GENERATOR, IT CAN'T BE THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, THERE'S TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
THE OTHER PORTION OF IT, IT REQUIRES YOU TO THIS IS BASED ON THEIR FIRE TESTING.
IF IT'S NEAR THAT OR CLOSE TO THAT, THEN YOU'RE VIOLATING THEIR GUIDELINES ARE, RIGHT HERE.
THAT RIGHT THERE JUST ALONE PERMITTED, VIOLATES EVERYTHING.
IT NEEDED A VARIANCE, DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
IT DOESN'T EVEN MEET ANY OF THE MANUFACTURER GUIDELINES OR YOUR GUIDELINES.
I'M ASKING TO DO SOMETHING THAT MEETS ALL THE GUIDELINES EXCEPT ONE VARIANCE.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. WE'LL GO BACK TO THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, IT SHOWS A GENERATOR ADJACENT TO A CONDENSER.
THE CONDENSER SPACING IS ABOUT 9".
WHY DO THEY REQUIRE A GENERATOR TO BE THIS FAR AWAY FROM ANY ELECTRONIC OR ELECTRIC DEVICE? IT'S LP GAS.
YOU HAVE AN LP GAS LEAK, YOU HAVE A BOOM.
THAT'S PERMITTED. THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEET IT.
I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP ALL THE OTHER PICTURES THAT WE'VE TAKEN, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ALL THAT.
ALL I'M ASKING SIMPLY TO DO IS AN UNDERSTAND AND A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUR GENERATOR BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES.
IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO THREE, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT NUMBER TO SAY, HEY, GUYS, IF WE NEED TO GET A SURVEY OUT THERE, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S CUP ABILITY IN A LOT OF THINGS.
NUMBER 1, GOING BACK TO THE 20' VERSUS 167, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED IN AN INSPECTION.
THAT SHOULD 100% HAVE BEEN CAUGHT.
AS A BUILDER, I GET CAUGHT EVERY DAY.
IF THAT WAS CAUGHT, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
THERE'S OTHER UNITS ALL THE WAY AROUND IF I HAD TO THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS, I COULD SHOW YOU THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT DON'T EVEN COMPLY WITH WHAT YOU TELL US TO COMPLY WITH.
>> I JUST WANT TO PAUSE THERE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT OUR ORDINANCE, AS IT READS, IT COMPROMISES THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATION THAT PORTION.
>> WE NEED YOU AT THE MIC BECAUSE THIS IS ALL RECORD.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU REQUIRE ME TO MEET THE GUIDELINES OF THIS, AND I'LL HAND THIS TO YOU GUYS.
THIS IS A GENERAC'S GUIDELINES RELATES TO YOU PUT ONE IN.
THAT'S THE GUIDELINES IN WHICH THEY TELL ME I HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HANDLE.
>> CAN I ASK AMANDA TO ANSWER THAT?
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WHAT HE IS SHARING HERE REGARDING THE PERMIT, IT IS CONTRADICTORY. IS IT?>> YOU HAVE TO BE SET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AT LEAST 5'.
YOU CAN SET IT MORE THAN, BUT OUR MINIMUM CODE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT IS 5'.
YOU CAN, IN ORDER TO MEET MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS, EXCEED OUR MINIMUM.
>> THIS IS FOR PLACEMENT OF THE GENERATOR OR FOR THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT SOMEHOW.
IT'S WHETHER IT'S POOL EQUIPMENT, AC, OR GENERATOR.
THE CODE SAYS IT'S A MINIMUM OF 5'.
>> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR ALMOST 36" OR WHAT? I GOT TO HEAR IT IN THE MIC BECAUSE IT'S BEING RECORDED.
>> THE GENERATOR ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 36" WIDE.
I HAVE 16' SEVEN TO THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY LINE RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD HAVE HAD 20 IF THE BUILDER WOULD HAVE BUILT THE PROPERTY CORRECTLY.
IF YOU DEDUCT 3' OFF A 167 IF YOU'RE TRACKING ME, THEN I'M A 13'7. MAKES SENSE? SHE'S SAYING, I GOT TO BE 5' OFF OF THE HOUSE.
SHE SUPPOSED TO SAY 5' OFF THE PROPERTY LINE JUST TO CLARIFY.
>> THAT'S WHERE I WENT SIDEWAYS.
>> I SEE WHERE IT GOT SIDEWAYS.
IT'S EASY TO GET THERE, BELIEVE ME.
NO PUN, BUT IT'S EASY TO GET THERE.
SHE'S SAYING I HAVE TO MAINTAIN FROM THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY LINE TO THE EDGE OF THE GENERATOR.
I'M SAYING I'D LIKE TO BE 2.5 POTENTIALLY 3' TO THE EDGE OF THE GENERATOR BECAUSE OF ALL OF MY POWER COMING INTO THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
ALL OF MY GAS LINES TRAVERSING THROUGH THERE, ALL THE PAVERS, THE MEANS OF EGRESS COMING THROUGH THERE.
EVERYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IF I HAD MY OTHER PICTURES.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE A HUGE EASEMENT.
IN FACT, THE HOUSE IS LITERALLY SITTING ON THE EASEMENT.
I CAN'T PUT ANYTHING ON THAT WHOLE SIDE BECAUSE OF AN EASEMENT.
THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU COME AROUND TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOME, I'M IMPEDED AS IT RELATES TO PAVERS AND ORNATE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS OF TRYING TO SHARE THE GENERATOR OUT FRONT THERE, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY COME ALONG THE GOING WEST, I WOULD SAY, ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN TRAVERSING BACK SOUTH ACROSS YET ANOTHER DOUBLE DRIVEWAY, ORNATE LANDSCAPING, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT JUST GETS COMPLETELY CRAZY IN TERMS OF PRICING, AND SO FORTH.
>> THIS IS WHICH SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE EAST?
>> IT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
>> BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS, AS YOU STATE, IMPROPERLY PERMITTED BEFORE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERFUNCTORY 20'.
>> IT WAS PERMITTED TO BE BUILT 20', BUT IT WAS BUILT [INAUDIBLE]
>> I GOT YOU. THERE'S NO PLACE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE ENTRY POINT, WHICH IS WHERE THE METER CAN IS TO PLACE THIS, SO YOU HAVE TO GO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON THE OTHER END, SO YOU GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE?
>> I GOT THAT. JUST A STUPID QUESTION.
BECAUSE IT'S PLACED BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES AND BOTH ARE OWNED BY THE ATOM INDEX, IS THERE AN INTENT TO FEED BOTH HOMES WITH GENERATOR?
>> YOU CAN'T DO. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE. IT ONLY FEEDS ONE HOME.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IN.
I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, I GET ALL THAT, BUT I'M ASKING FOR A LITTLE COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO HELP US WITH THE SITUATION.
AGAIN, IF YOU WERE TO GET IN THE CAR RIGHT NOW AND GO LOOK AT THIS ONE, JUST ONE.
I'M NOT AGAIN, TRYING TO DRAW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I WORK HERE DILIGENTLY WITH THEM ALL THE TIME.
I DO. WHEN WE GET DONE, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY FOR THEM.
BUT I'M JUST ASKING FOR SOME COMMON SENSE APPROACH.
WE HAVE AN ELDERLY MOTHER THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO TAKE CARE OF, AND THE SITUATION THE HURRICANES COME THROUGH HERE AND THE POWER NEVER GOES OUT.
YOU HAVE A SUMMER STORM AND THE POWER GOES OUT.
IT'S THE DAMNEST THING I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
IT'LL BE HIDDEN BEHIND THE BUSHES.
IF YOU GUYS WILL SEE IN YOUR HEART TO BLESS US WITH THAT?THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT.
>> HOLD ON. THE ASSOCIATION, OBVIOUSLY, HAD TO ALSO GIVE THEIR APPROVAL? THEY DID. BUT DID THEY GIVE YOU ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WE REALLY HOPE YOU GET YOUR VARIANCES.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID. THEY SAID, JUST GO PLEAD YOUR CASE TO THOSE GUYS AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN GET.
IF THESE GUYS ARE WILLING TO DO IT, WE'LL STAND BEHIND IT, WE'LL DO IT.
THEN, AGAIN, IF WE GO TO GET THE PERMIT,
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I STILL HAVE TO BRING A LETTER HERE FROM THEM STATING THEY AUTHORIZE IT TO HAPPEN, WHICH THEY HAD.>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING, AMANDA. ANY QUESTION? AMANDA, THE FIVE FOOT RULE, I THINK I KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK TO AMANDA FOR A SECOND.
WHY THE FIVE FOOT RULE, AND COULD YOU JUST ENLIGHTEN US?
>> SOMETIMES THIS EQUIPMENT CAN BE NOISY, WHETHER IT'S YOUR PROVE PUMP OR YOUR AIR CONDITIONING OR ANY OF THAT.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS ONE TO REGULATE IT TO YOUR REAR OR SIDE YARD SO THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE AND UGLY IN YOUR FRONT YARD.
YOU DON'T WANT TO AIR CONDITIONING CONDENSER, AND THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE.
BUT THAT 5' IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SEPARATION SO THAT THE NOISE IS FURTHER AWAY FROM POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
>> YOU MAY KNOW THIS. HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR, A LONG TIME?
>> IT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.
>> WHAT'S THE PERMEABILITY PERCENTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY?
IT WASN'T PART OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT IF YOU RECALL, IT IS AN L-SHAPE.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SURVEY, IT DOES LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY COVERED.
BUT THERE'S THIS AREA TO THE SOUTH AND PART OF THE L THAT'S UNDEVELOPED.
I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY RIGHT AT CODE.
THERE IS ENOUGH ON HERE IF THEY NEEDED TO REMOVE SOMETHING TO PUT THE GENERATOR, I'M SURE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT.
>> I CAN'T SEE AROUND THAT CORNER.
WITH THE NOISE, THESE THINGS RUN THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR RUN.
>> SO WHY THIS GENERATOR, WHY DON'T YOU PICK A DIFFERENT ONE THAT FITS.
>> THIS IS THE ONES THAT YOU'RE SEEING AROUND ALL THE HOMES HERE ATLANTIC BEACH AND JAX BEACH AND NEPTUNE BEACH.
THESE UNITS ARE EVERYWHERE OUT HERE.
THEY'RE ONLY HUGE MOST PEOPLE THE ONES OUT HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE SMALL. THEY'RE VERY QUIET.
THEY'RE MADE TO BE NOISE REDUCTION TYPE UNITS ANYWAYS.
>> BUT YOU'RE THE NEIGHBORS NOW.
WE'RE PROTECTING THE PROPERTY AND PERPETUITY.
>> WELL, IT WILL BE PASSED DOWN THE KIDS AND TO THAT POINT, THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> MISS ASKEW, IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE THAT YOU SUGGESTED TO MR. MCCUE WHERE IT COULD GO?
>> IF YOU GO BACK TO MY POWERPOINT.
I DON'T HAVE PRIVY TO WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, BUT ONE WOULD SAY BETWEEN WHERE IT'S LABELED AIR CONDITIONING THAT AC RIGHT THERE AND THE 16.7 THAT YOU IN THEORY, LOOKING AT A SURVEY COULD PLACE THE UNIT THERE AND MEET CODE.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED UNDERGROUND THAT THERE'S SOME UNDERGROUND LINES IN THERE.
>> CAN YOU ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT THEY SAID AT THE OTHER MEETING WAS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECONDARY SURVEY THERE AND YOU WERE TO COME OUT GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND COME TO THE EAST SIDE, IF YOU WILL.
YOU SEE THAT LITTLE WALKWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE A SNAKE ALONG THAT ONE SIDE? THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT ME TO PUT IT.
>> NO, I DON'T. THE WHOLE THING LOOKS LIKE A SNAKE.
>> I DIDN'T GET YOU. CAN I SHOW YOU THIS? I'LL JUST STEAL YOUR QUIZZES.
>> OH, I SEE. THIS IS A LITTLE SNAKE AREA ALL THE WAY ON THAT SIDE.
ESSENTIALLY, THEY WERE REQUIRED.
>> DONNA COULD PUT THE MOUSE OVER SO WE COULD SEE THE MOUSE ON THIS. RIGHT THERE. PERFECT.
>> ESSENTIALLY, WHERE THE GREEN ARROW IS, THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE LIKE, PUT IT THERE, AND I WAS LIKE,
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WELL, IF YOU MOVE THAT AIR ALL THE WAY AROUND.>> BASICALLY, THE OPPOSITE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
>> FROM THE BUYING COPPER WIRE, AND YOU'RE BUYING GAS LINE, WHICH IS COPPER AS WELL.
YOU'RE TRYING TO DIG AND GO UNEARTH ALL THE PAVERS AND GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND THEN YOU HAVE IT SITTING IN THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS UNSIGHTLY.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK UNSIGHTLY, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ENERGIZE THE HOUSE DURING A STORM.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ME THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE?
>> NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE IT.
>> THAT'S NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH STUFF IS MISSING.
THAT ONE RIGHT THERE BELOW IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE CLOSEST THING IN TERMS OF.
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIGGER HOME VERSUS THE SMALLER HOME THERE.
THE LOWER HOME. OUR PROPERTY LINE IS ABOUT 14' FROM THERE.
>> THE THREE FREE LINE TO THE SOUTHERLY HOME?
>> ROUGHLY 14' TO THAT CORNER, OR SHE HAS THE AREA.
>> WHAT IS THAT INTO THE HOUSE? IS THAT THE GARAGE?
>> NO, THAT'S A FRONT BEDROOM.
>> THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I APPROVE THIS OR NOT, BUT I THINK THE POINT IS BEING MADE THAT ONE DAY SOMEBODY ELSE OTHER THAN A FAMILY MEMBER MAY OWN THAT HOUSE.
I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE ABOUT HOW WE HAVE NO FLEXIBILITY.
>> AGAIN, YOUR POINT IS TAKEN.
MARK ADAM MY AGE, WE GREW UP TOGETHER.
I DON'T SEE HIM GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON.
WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE PROVISIONS FOR HIS MOTHER.
WE ALL HAVE ELDERLY PEOPLE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF.
I TAKE CARE OF A NINE-YEAR-OLD MOTHER.
SHE LIVES ON MY PROPERTY IN A HOUSE.
WHEN YOU FIND MULTI-GENERATIONAL PEOPLE LIVING TOGETHER, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND THAT HITS YOU PRETTY QUICK.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY PERSON YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF, THAT'S THE POSITION WE'RE IN.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING AND SOME COMMON SENSE.
>> WE'VE GOT SOME IRREGULARITIES THAT WERE OVERLOOKED OR ILLEGAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE WRONG.
NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE ONE MORE THING WRONG.
I THINK IN 26 YEARS, WE'VE JUST FOUND OUT THAT IT'S 16.77 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS HIT WITH.
>> MAYOR, ARE WE UNDER 10(B)5 APPLICANT PRESENTATION?
>> YES. OKAY. I WAS JUST SECOND BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 10 B6.
OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC.
>> ANOTHER REASON TO MOVE ON TO 10 B7.
>> OKAY. WAIT A SECOND. DID WE HAVE A REBUTTAL? NO, THAT WILL COME.
OKAY. LET'S GO TO CLOSE TEN B7.
CLOSING COMMENTS AND REBUTTAL.
>> MR. MCHUGH, I'M GOING TO NEED ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE PASSED AROUND THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
>> BUT YOU KNOW, THE CLOSING COMMENTS.
>> AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR FINAL.
[OVERLAPPING] DONE HIS CLOSING COMMENTS.
>> SO IT'S MY CLOSING COMMENT.
I THINK THE PROPERTY, IF I WAS ABLE TO GET ALL THE SLIDES UP THERE, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT'S BEEN DISPARAGINGLY IMPACTED BY A LOT OF DECISIONS.
NUMBER 1, MAINLY TO THE EAST, IS AN EASEMENT WHERE YOU CANNOT PUT ANYTHING IN AN EASEMENT AT ALL.
YOU GUYS CAN BUILD SOMETHING IN AN EASEMENT, WE CAN.
THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT IS THE LOT HAS BEEN ADDED ON AND SOME WEIRD THINGS, BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THE DEVELOPER DID THAT WAS ADDRESSED ON BEACHCOMBER AT ONE POINT.
NOW IT'S ADDRESSED ON OCEANFOREST DRIVE NORTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF WEIRD THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I FEEL LIKE TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AT THE TIME OR INSPECTOR, WHICH I DEAL WITH THEM A LOT,
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SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT BATTER BOARD NOT BEING IN A PROPER POSITION, BECAUSE YOU DIG AND YOU CHECK, YOU GET A FOOTER INSPECTION, AND THAT FOOTER INSPECTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEASURED.THEY DO IT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THEY DO IT IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH.
THEY DO IT HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
WHO IT GOT BY WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF, IN FACT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN POURED RIGHT AND CAUGHT, I WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
IT'S BEEN DISPARAGINGLY IMPACTED BY TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM, MISS KELLY, A LOT OF DECISIONS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING, TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM HERE TO PUT IT WHERE MAKES IT MORE FEASIBLE FOR THE CLIENT, AND IT DOESN'T BECOME THIS BIG ALBATROSS AND TEARING UP ALL THE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING THAT HE'S GOT IN TO GET IT, MAKES IT WORK BETTER FOR ALL OF US.
>> WHEN WAS THE ADDITION PUT IN?
>> I THINK AT THIS POINT, ARE WE DONE WITH THE REBUTTAL? BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ORDER TO THIS MEETING.
>> WHEN HE'S DONE, MAYBE HE SITS DOWN AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN BRING YOU BACK BACK.
>> I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE LET HIM SIT DOWN, IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> IF HE KNOWS. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS PUT IN?
>> [OVERLAPPING] APPARENTLY, I THINK IT WAS 1997.
>> MR. MCHUGH, IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR DELIBERATION. COMMISSIONERS.
>> IT DOESN'T FIT ANY OF THE SIX STATUTES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE TO PUT IT IN A WAY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
>> YES, I AGREE. I'M LOOKING AT THOSE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S GOT A POINT.
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SO I'M GOING TO BRING YOU BACK UP.
WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT COSTING THIS AND SPECKING THIS AND SO ON.
WHAT REFERENCES DID YOU USE TO DETERMINE THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE? WERE YOU USING THE OLD PLANS THAT WERE IMPROPERLY?
>> YES, SIR. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE 16 FOOT SEVEN WHEN I WENT TO THE VARIANCE MEETING, AND I WAS JUST BLIND.
>> SO YOU JUST LOOKED AT THE PLANS, ASSUMED THAT WE HAD PERMITTED IT WELL, OR THE PLANS, AND IT WAS 20 FEET.
>> YES. RARELY I DON'T SEE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SCREWING UP.
IT'S NOT COMMON, AND I'M NOT CALLING ANYBODY OUT, BUT IT'S RARE THAT YOU EVER SEE [OVERLAPPING] IT'S THAT OFF.
>> SO IN THE DESIGN PHASE AND SO ON, WHAT KIND OF EXPENSES WERE INCURRED TO GET TO THE POINT OF REALIZING THAT IT WAS THE ERROR?
>> YOU MEAN, IN TERMS OF US TRYING TO GET RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE OF GETTING TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING.
>> YOU HAVEN'T SPENT 10,000 $5,000.
>> NO. HE'S CONTRACTED ME TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK FOR THE PROPERTY AND TRY TO GET A BLESSING TO GET IT DONE.
BUT I HAVE DONE MY HOMEWORK AS IT RELATES TO MOVING 210 FEET AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I'VE DONE THAT HOMEWORK.
IN PREVIOUS VARIANCE HEARINGS, WE FOLLOWED THE SCRIPT HERE.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COMMISSION DELIBERATION AND ACTION.
THAT'S INTERNAL TO THE COMMISSION, AM I CORRECT?
>> IT IS. YOU CAN BRING THE APPLICANT OR AMANDA STAFF TO CLEAR OR ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE SUCCINCT AND PRECISE TO ONE ISSUE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING. AM I OUT OF ORDER?
>> YOU'RE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN HERE.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT NO, I MEAN, ANYONE CAN ASK A QUESTION THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
>> I WAS CONFUSED. IT SEEMED TO ME WHEN WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, IT WAS DEFINED A CUTOFF.
MOVE TO THE NEXT SECTION, AND I SEE THAT WE'RE ON 10 B8.
MAYBE I'M WRONG, WHERE WE INTERNALLY DELIBERATE AND TAKE ACTION.
>> NO [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.
SO IT IS IN COMMISSION CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT, SO JUST SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
>> ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BUT I'M GOOD.
I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEAT AGAIN.
WE'LL FINISH OUR DELIBERATIONS. YES, SIR.
>> I HAVE A COMMENT. I THINK IT DOES ON GROUNDS FOR DECISION, I THINK NUMBER 4 DOES APPLY ON EFFECT OF REGULATIONS ENACTED AFTER PLATTING OR AFTER DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY OR AFTER CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENT UPON THE PROPERTY.
WE CLEARLY HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION HAD BEEN, IF WE HAD WATCHED IT IN 1997, HE WOULDN'T BE AS HE SAID, WE'D HAVE A 20-FOOT SETBACK, IT SAYS 16 7, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.
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I THINK IT APPLIES TO NUMBER 4, POSSIBLY THREE.I'M IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING IT.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRANT ON FOUR, JUST THE PORTION THAT THIS IS, AND I KNOW NO ONE WHO WAS HERE IN 1997.
BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT SHOULD BE 20 FEET, AND IT DIDN'T GET CAUGHT.
AND IF IT DID, THEN THE GENERATOR WOULD BE THERE.
>> BUT WE DIDN'T ENACT ANYTHING.
IT SAYS ENACTED AFTER PLATTING.
>> YES, THIS DOESN'T SAY ONEROUS EFFECT OF MISTAKES MADE BY CITY STAFF AFTER DEVELOPMENT OR AFTER DEVELOPMENT.
>> BUT THAT'S THE POINT, HE CAN'T DO FIVE WITHOUT GETTING I'M NOT BRINGING YOU BACK.
>> BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL ON THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE A BROADER POLICY OR FRAMEWORK FOR THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS BASED ON COMMON SENSE.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IN SERVING OTHER CITIES, DO OTHER CITIES SOMETIMES HAVE MORE LATITUDE TO OCCASIONALLY USE COMMON SENSE WITHOUT PEOPLE SAYING THAT NOW YOU'RE SETTING PRECEDENT THAT IT CREATES PROBLEMS ON OTHERS?
>> THE CASE LAW IS SUCH THAT EVERY CASE IS DETERMINED ON THE SPECIFIC FACTS WITH THE SPECIFIC LAW APPLIED TO THOSE FACTS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE NOT TO BE USED AS PRECEDENT BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT, EVERY CONFIGURATION IS DIFFERENT.
HAVING SAID THAT, THAT DOESN'T STOP THE NEXT PERSON FROM OBVIOUSLY BRINGING UP, OH, WELL, YOU DID IT HERE AND.
>> BUT LEGALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SET PRECEDENT IN THAT WAY.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE RULES THAT ARE IN THE ZONING CODE THAT ARE GENERALLY APPLIED AND UNIFORMLY APPLIED TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHY EVERY CODE TYPICALLY HAS A VALVE FOR RELIEF.
IN THIS CASE, VARIANCES, WAIVERS, UNDER PURPORTEDLY STRICT CRITERIA, IF IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA AND YOUR DETERMINATION AND CONSIDERATION, THEN YOU CAN GRANT THAT RELIEF.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT HERE IS THAT THE COMMON SENSE TYPICALLY WOULD BE FOUND IN ONE OR MORE OF THESE CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH HERE, AND YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN 24-65 C IS BASICALLY A MENU OF SIX DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT IF YOU WERE TO FIND AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE, THEN YOU COULD APPLY THAT COMMON SENSE, SO TO SPEAK.
>> OKAY. I'M LOOKING AT I APPRECIATE COUNSEL'S EXPLANATION AND LOOKING CLOSER AT FOUR.
OWNERS' EFFECT OF REGULATIONS ENACTED AFTER.
OKAY. SO AFTER THE PLATTING, AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I GUESS WE CAN TECHNICALLY SAY THAT NONE OF THESE REGULATIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE GOVERNING WHERE THIS GOES, AND THE SETBACKS HAPPENED AFTER THAT CONSTRUCTION.
IN THAT CASE, FOUR DOESN'T APPLY, BUT I DO THINK THREE DOES.
AND IN THREE, THE WAY IT READS EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES, VENTING THE REASONABLE USE OF PROPERTY AS COMPARED TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
YOU BROUGHT UP OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE VARYING SETBACKS FOR THEIR GENERATOR.
AND I THINK THIS NUMBER THREE ALLOWS FOR COMMON SENSE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROVED PER THREE.
>> I RECOMMEND A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
>> BASED ON SECTION 24-65 C NUMBER THREE.
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>> DONNA, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL ON THIS, PLEASE?
>> PASS IS THREE TO TWO. THANK YOU, GUYS. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS REAL QUICK? THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TAKE.
WHEN I CAME TO THE MEETING WITH THE VARIANCE, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHEN YOU GO TO A VARIANCE BOARD MEETING, GUYS TRYING TO GET PERMITS, GUYS TRYING TO GET INFRACTIONS, GUYS TRYING TO GET THEIR LICENSE.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY BRING THEM IN FRONT OF THAT MEETING.
THEY FINE HIM IF THEY'VE DONE UNLICENSED ACTIVITY.
THEY HAVE COUNSEL. THEY HAVE A POLICEMAN.
UNDER CHAPTER 462, IF YOU'RE PRACTICING UNLICENSED ACTIVITY AS A CONTRACTOR, IT'S A SECOND-DEGREE FELONY.
THEY MAKE THEM PAY 2,500 BUCKS.
WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS, I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY A LOT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF UNLICENSED ACTIVITY.
WHAT I'M SIMPLY SAYING IS, YOU HAVE A POLICEMAN WITH A CODE ENFORCEMENT, WALK UP TO GUY AND SAY, WHERE'S YOUR WORKMAN'S CONFERENCE, GENERAL LIABILITY? WHERE'S YOUR PERMIT? THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
HE REPORTS IN FRONT OF THE VARIANCE BOARD, AND HE GETS FINED RIGHT THEN AND THERE IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, ETC.
YOU CAN MIMIC IT AFTER ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THEY'RE DOING IT. AND THAT MIGHT ADD SOMEBODY TO YOUR CONFERENCE.
IT'S FOR THOUGHT. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
>> WE STILL HAVE A MEETING GOING. I'M BACKING UP.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
CITY ATTORNEY. WHAT SAY YE?>> DO YOU GUYS WANT TO PRESENTATION TONIGHT?
>> WHERE'S TEN C? WE ADDED IT EARLIER FROM CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
>> ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. TEN C.
>> THANK YOU. OUR CONTRACT WITH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE EXPIRES AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
THE TERM MAY BE EXTENDED PER OUR CODE BY ME, THE CITY MANAGER, PROVIDED THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.
WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS WITH HER.
AND SO I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE THAT.
>> CAN WE DO JUST CONSENSUS, OR WE WANT TO VOTE?
>> OH, THAT ONE, YES, SUBJECT TO ANY OBJECTION.
>> DO YOU OBJECT TO ANY PRESENTATION I HAVE AT THE MOMENT?
>> OKAY. AND I WILL NOT GET ONE.
>> I'LL MAKE IT SHORT. THERE WERE THREE REQUESTS TONIGHT TO HAVE THEIR EMAILS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THE EMAILS AT THE MEETING, NOR DID THEY READ THEM ALOUD.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO STILL PUT THOSE AS PART OF THE MINUTES SINCE THEY DID REFER TO IT?
>> YES, I'M GOOD. YES, PLEASE.
OKAY. CLOSING COMMENTS. CITY COMMISSIONER,
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.>> I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE A MUCH NICER, CONGENIAL PARLIAMENTARIAN THAN I WOULD BE.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS. THAT'S MY COMMENT. I KNOW.
>> THANK YOU, THOUGH FOR YOUR THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN DOING THIS JOB.
APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER KELLY.
>> DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER FOR THE WEBINARS THAT FLC IS PUSHING OUT ON MONDAY MORNINGS AT 9:00 A.M.
THEY'RE GREAT. YOU CAN PUT THEM ON YOUR PHONE.
YES. WELL, SOME OF US ARE NOT RETIRED TILL THE LATTER PART OF OUR MORNING, BUT REGISTER, IT'S WORTH LISTENING TO.
>> HAVE A GOOD EVENING MEETING IN.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.