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WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND GUESTS.
BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING, WE'LL HAVE AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE DELIVERED BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PAST MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, WHICH ALLOWED US MORE THAN JUST EXTRA TIME TO SPEND WITH OUR FAMILIES.
A TIME WE SET ASIDE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REMEMBERING AND HONORING THOSE WHO PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR OUR BELOVED COUNTRY THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL NEVER COME BACK HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES FOR WE KNOW THAT GREATER LOVE HAS NO ONE THAN THIS THAN TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE FOR ONE'S FRIENDS WE ASK YOU TO COMFORT THE LOVED ONES WHO ARE FOREVER MISSING THEIR FALLEN SOLDIERS WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS DUE TO THEIR VALOR AND SACRIFICE THAT ALLOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE ELECT AND GOVERN OURSELVES.
WE CONTINUE TO PRAY A HEDGE OF DIVINE PROTECTION OVER OUR ARMED FORCES, SERVING OUR COUNTRY AT HOME, ABROAD, IN DRILLS, OR IN DEPLOYMENT.
LORD, CONTINUE TO BE WITH THEM AS THEY FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS AND BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES WHO SACRIFICE HOLIDAYS AND PRECIOUS TIME WITH THEIR LOVED ONES.
MAY YOUR FAVOR AND DIVINE WISDOMS REST UPON US TONIGHT.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
INSTITUTE OF THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RING.
THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH DATED MAY 26, 2026, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
DONNA? CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BULL.
WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, ITEM 1A, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MAY 11TH.
BEFORE I GO THERE, I APOLOGIZE.
WE HAVE SCOTT THOMAS WITH US TODAY, PART OF THE FIRM THAT JASON GABRIEL IS WITH.
AND FILLING IN FOR MR. GABRIEL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
MAYOR, ALWAYS GREAT TO BE HERE.AND BACK TO THE MINUTES, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MAY 11, 2026.
DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED.
ITEM 1B, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 2, 2026 TOWN HALL.
ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES? HEARING NONE, THOSE MINUTES STAND AS SUBMITTED.
[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS ]
WE'LL MOVE TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS.TODAY WE'LL HAVE WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TWO TIMES THAT YOU CAN SPEAK.
ONE IS DURING THIS COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND THEN THE VERY LAST ITEM, IF YOU STAY FOR THE EVENING, OUR PLAT REQUEST, WHICH IS A A ORDINANCE SO THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
EACH OF THOSE EVENTS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
SO DONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THIS PART? 13 FOR COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
WELL, LET'S CALL OUR FIRST PARTICIPANT.
I HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIS NAME LAST TIME.
YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME.
ROY SCHLEICHER, 80 BEACH COTTAGE LANE, LANDING BEACH FOREST.
I WAS HERE LAST WEEK BECAUSE I PULLED THE AGENDA ITEM.
LAST WEEK, SO I'LL KIND OF REPEAT WHAT I SAID LAST WEEK, AND I GUESS I'LL DO IT AGAIN LATER TODAY OR LATER TONIGHT.
I'M JUST CONCERNED, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME ABOUT HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING LAND IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY INCH OF LAND WE FIND, WE TRY TO PUT A HOUSE ON IT, AND NOT JUST A REGULAR HOUSE, BUT A MEGA HOUSE, AND IT'S BECOMING AN ISSUE.
THIS PARTICULAR PLOT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A MARITIME FOREST.
I LOOKED IT UP AND IT'S ACTUALLY LISTED IN ATLANTIC BEACH AS A MARITIME FOREST.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'VE GOT LIVE OAKS THAT ARE WELL OVER 100 YEARS OLD THERE.
AND WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANTLY IS YOU'VE GOT WILDLIFE BACK THERE.
YOU'VE GOT DENS OF FOXES BACK THERE.
YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF BIRDS AND VARIOUS OTHER ANIMALS.
EVERY TIME YOU DEVELOP SOMETHING, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GO SOMEPLACE.
YOU KNOW, AS WE STARTED DEVELOPING, WE STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE COYOTES BECAUSE THEY TAKE AWAY THEIR LAND, THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO,
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THEY START COMING IN.I KNOW UP IN OCEAN WALK, I THINK YEARS AGO WE LOST ABOUT...
AND WE'VE LOST SOME CATS IN ATLANTIC BEACH FARTHER DOWN TOWARD THE CITY WHERE THE COYOTES HAVE COME IN AND TORE THEM APART.
AND I KNOW WE HAD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING STUFF, WE JUST, WE DON'T SEEM TO CARE ANYMORE.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TREE CITY.
MY GREATEST FEAR IS THIS IS GOING TO TURN INTO A CONCRETE JUNGLE.
AND I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE OTHER PARTS OF THE BEACH.
I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
THIS PARTICULAR AREA WHERE THE WOODS ARE, IT OFFERS PROTECTION FOR HURRICANES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AROUND THERE.
THE TWO HOUSES THEY DEVELOPED ON BEACH AVENUE ALREADY, ALL THEY DID WAS TEAR DOWN EVERY TREE YOU COULD SEE.
THEY HAVE IRRIGATION PROBLEMS. AND IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO TALK TOO MUCH LONGER BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK IN A MIRROR AND SAY, WHO DO WE WANT TO BE? DO WE WANT TO BE LIKE WE WERE OR WE WANT TO BE WHAT WE'LL BE IN THE FUTURE? WHAT POSSIBLY WE MAY NOT LIKE.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
REPORT AND THEN YOUR FISCAL YEAR 26-27 PRIORITIES.
SO I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO PRESENT AS FAR AS AN ORDINANCE FOR CHAMPION TREES.
I THINK IT'S THE NAME THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
AND FROM THE LAST MEETING, I THINK COMMISSIONER RING HAD MENTIONED THAT SHE WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING A COUPLE PHASES TO HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING OUR TREE CANOPY.
SO IN THIS PHASE ONE, AS YOU CONSIDER A ORDINANCE FOR CHAMPION TREES, I WOULD ALSO URGE YOU TO CONSIDER AT THE SAME TIME APPROVING THE THREE TO FOUR MATURE TREE INCENTIVES THAT ESC SENT TO YOU LATE LAST YEAR.
BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD COMPLIMENTARY TIME AND I THINK IT WILL HELP WITH THE MOMENTUM.
THESE INCENTIVES WOULD COME FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, SO IT'S NOT THE GENERAL FUND.
FOR PHASE TWO, THERE WERE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF THE MAY 2ND TOWN HALL ON TREE PROTECTION, RANGING FROM CHAPTER 23 REVISIONS, PROGRAMS, INTERNAL PROCESSES, POLICIES, AND PERMITTING ADMINISTRATION IDEAS TO OUTREACH TO KEY STAKEHOLDERS LIKE REALTORS AND DEVELOPERS, TITLE COMPANIES, AND THEN ADVOCACY AND RESEARCH.
I WOULD URGE YOU, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO TO DO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY IF YOU CAN RIGHT AFTER PHASE ONE.
AS TO THE FISCAL YEAR 26-27 PRIORITIES, I WAS THRILLED TO SEE A LOT OF ESCS THAT WERE ALL KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE THIS YEAR.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THE OLD GROWTH TREE PROTECTION, I URGE YOU TO ALSO ADD PASSING CHAPTER 23 REVISIONS.
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOUR REVIEW SINCE THE FALL OF 2023.
YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE PLANNING TO GET THAT DONE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, I'D LOVE IT.
IF IT'S NOT GOING TO GET DONE, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD ADD IT TO YOUR 26, 27.
LISA HAROLD, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE ARTERIES IN OUR CITY.
AND I WAS CIRCLING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CORE CITY LAST WEDNESDAY, AND TO MY SURPRISE, THERE WAS A DUMPSTER IN THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF EAST COAST DRIVE, SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY APPROVED THAT.
THERE IS A POOL GOING IN AND A HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF 5TH AND EAST COAST, WHICH IS FINE IF YOU PUT A POOL IN YOUR HOUSE.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO.
PUT THE DUMPSTER MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ON A MAIN ARTERY TO PUT IT ON THE SIDE STREET UM IT CAUSED A MAJOR MAJOR CONGESTION AND THERE WAS NO ONE OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC TODAY LO AND BEHOLD NOW THAT DUMPSTER LAST WEDNESDAY WAS FULL OF GRAVEL UM TODAY THE GRAVEL WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SO AND THERE WERE CONES AND POLICEMEN THERE NOT LETTING ANYBODY THROUGH THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF EAST COAST DRIVE.
WHEN A DUMPSTER IS ON A MAIN ARTERY, BLOCKING TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC,
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BICYCLES, AND WHATEVER FOR CONSTRUCTION.SO I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO LOOK INTO THAT.
SO BEFORE I START, VERY NICE PRAYER, WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR VETERANS, AND IT WAS A VERY NICE, RESPECTFUL MEMORIAL DAY SERVICE.
SO I'M ELLEN GLASSER AND I LIVE AT 2060 BEACH AVENUE, JUST A FEW HOUSES DOWN FROM THE AREA BEING CONSIDERED FOR REPLATTING.
I LIVE ON A LOW LOT AND HAVE EXPERIENCED STANDING WATER IN MY BACKYARD SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
THIS PART OF ATLANTIC BEACH ON THE WEST SIDE OF BEACH AVENUE IS A KNOWN BASIN.
THIS REQUEST SHOULD BE INFORMED BY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH BILLS ON SIMILAR LOTS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT 2010 AND 2016 BEACH AVENUE.
I HOPE YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY AS I HAVE URGED YOU TO TWICE.
TO SEE WHAT IS GETTING SO MUCH ATTENTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SANDBAGS ON THE STREET WOULD BE YOUR FIRST CLUE.
WITH ANY ACTIONS THAT YOU TAKE, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PREVENT ADDITIONAL FLOODING ON NEIGHBORING LOTS.
WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THESE BILLS? I'M NOT AN EXPERT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER OR A DEVELOPER OR A BUILDER, BUT I DO HAVE EYES AND THOUGHTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THE CITY ENGINEER? WAS AN ADEQUATE DRAINAGE PLAN SUBMITTED.
THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN FLOODING.
WE HAVE SEEN GRADING TAKING PLACE.
WE'VE SEEN A HUGE GULLY WHERE WATER FORMED AT THE FOUNDATIONS, AND WE HAVE SEEN A RETAINING WALL THAT'S BUILT UP HIGHER THAN ONE OF THE LOTS NEXT DOOR.
SO FAST FORWARD, THE SUBTERRANEAN GARAGES, WHICH IMMEDIATELY SPARKED MY ATTENTION WHEN THEY WERE DUG UP, HAVE ALREADY FLOODED.
WITH THE BACKYARD BEING BUILT UP FOR A POOL, WE WONDER WHERE IS THE STORMWATER GOING TO GO? THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND WHAT I THINK.
SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? THERE WERE MANY MEETINGS AND REDLINE VERSIONS OF THE UPDATES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN 2024.
STAFF FAILED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS, BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THEM, THERE WAS A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING PLACED ON PERVIOUS PAVERS, THE STORMWATER RATIOS WITHIN PERVIOUS, PERVIOUS.
BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOBODY REALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE FACT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REDUCTION TO THE LOT WIDTH IN THE RG AND RGM ZONING DISTRICTS.
BY DOING THAT REDUCTION, YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE BUILT IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS 35 FEET LESS THAN ANY MINIMUM FOR ANY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THAT IS REALLY CRAZY, IN MY OPINION.
SO I THINK THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLAGGED AT THE TIME.
STEPS TO REMEDY THIS AND NOT ADD TO IT WITH ADDITIONAL BILLS THAT ARE OVERSIZED.
IF YOU'D WANTED TO, YOU COULD HAVE REZONED THOSE LOTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARDER, RIGHT? MORE NOTICES REQUIRED.
SO THOSE MEETINGS IN 24 FOCUSED ON STORMWATER, BUT NOBODY FLAGGED THIS, AND GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE A STORMWATER PROBLEM.
I THINK Y'ALL MISSED THIS IN 24.
IF YOU DON'T VOTE NO TONIGHT ON THE REPLATTING, AT LEAST GET SOME ANSWERS AND DELAY YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M COMING TO THIS ISSUE A LITTLE LATE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE ME ON THIS PLOT...
OR ISSUE ARE SO ARTICULATE AND HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.
I BASICALLY WANT TO SAY THAT I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO'S GATHERING ON STREET CORNERS AROUND TALKING ABOUT THINGS.
AND A LOT OF THE TALK IS PRETTY NEGATIVE.
AND I'M GETTING, AFTER 20 YEARS OF LIVING HERE, I'M GETTING KIND OF A NEGATIVE GENERAL FEELING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN THE CITY, WHICH I DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.
SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY AN ISSUE.
AND THESE TWO LOTS DOWN THE STREET FROM ME, IT JUST ALL SEEMS LIKE A REALLY BAD IDEA THE WAY IT'S BEING PLANNED NOW.
SO I HOPE THAT THERE'S TIME TO MAKE SOME CHANGES LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE ME MUCH MORE ARTICULATELY.
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MY NAME IS PETER SATZ.I'M A PHYSICIAN, LONGTIME RESIDENT, AND SOMEONE DEEPLY INVESTED IN THE FUTURE OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
I'M INTERESTED IN THE SAFETY AND RESILIENCE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO 2028 BEACH AVENUE.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WOULD INCREASE THAT DENSITY TO FOUR LOTS.
WHILE I PERSONALLY RESPECT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND SUPPORT THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS REGARDING FLOODING, STORMWATER RUNOFF, ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCE, PRESERVATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
FAILURE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE FORESEEABLE DAMAGE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
IF YOU WALK THIS PROPERTY, IT BECOMES IMMEDIATELY APPARENT THAT THE SITE CONTAINS A SUBSTANTIAL NATURAL SLOPE.
GRADING AND INTENSIFYING DEVELOPMENT ON THIS LOT TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL HOMES WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY ACCELERATE STORMWATER RUNOFF INTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THIS CONCERN IS NOT THEORETICAL.
THE LOTS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEAR CUT AND NOW ARE SEEING DRAINAGE RUNOFFS, PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT.
AT PRESENT, IT REMAINS UNCLEAR WHAT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER IRRIGATION PLAN IS FOR THIS QUARTER, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF INCREASING DENSITY AND CUMULATIVE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES.
ANY ADDITIONAL OVERDEVELOPMENT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS LIKELY TO EXACERBATE THESE EXISTING PROBLEMS THE CONSEQUENCES OF REMOVING MATURE TREES AND ALTERING THE NATURAL GRADING ARE ALREADY VISIBLE BEYOND DRAINAGE CONCERNS THE AESTHETICS TREE CANOPY ENVIRONMENTAL BUFFERING AND OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED BY THE RECENT CLEAR-CUTTING ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES REPEATING THAT PROCESS HERE WOULD FURTHER ERODE THE NATURAL RESILIENCE THAT MAKES ATLANTIC BEACH BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE.
IN A COASTAL COMMUNITY SUCH AS OURS, MATURE TREES AND PERMEABLE LAND ARE NOT LUXURIES.
THEY ARE PART OF OUR STORMWATER PROTECTION INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY ABSORB WATER, REDUCE RUNOFF, STABILIZE SOIL, MITIGATE HEAT, AND HELP PROTECTING SURROUNDING HOMES DURING INCREASINGLY SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS.
OVERDEVELOPMENT WITHOUT CAREFUL HYDRAULIC AND ENGINEERING REVIEW PLACES NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS AT RISK AND UNDERMINES THE CITY'S BROADER RESILIENCE GOALS.
IF THE CITY KNOWINGLY PERMITS EXCESSIVE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS AND ADJACENT HOMES ARE SUBSEQUENTLY DAMAGED BY FORESEEABLE RUNOFF OR DRAINAGE IMPACTS, QUESTIONS OF LIABILITY MAY INEVITABLY ARISE, BOTH FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THE CITY ITSELF I BELIEVE A MORE BALANCED APPROACH THANK YOU DR STATS OKAY CAROLYN ZISSER GOOD EARLY EVENING UH COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE UH MY NAME IS CAROLYN ZISSER A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF ATLANTA BEACH MY ADDRESS IS OF RECORD I LIVE WE LIVE, MY HUSBAND AND I, ABOUT ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF THE LAND.
AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO LEARN THAT THIS IS CALLED MARITIME FOREST BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A MARITIME FOREST AND WE NEED TO TREAT IT AS SUCH.
I WANT TO SECOND WHAT MY PREDECESSORS, ROY SCHLAGER, ELLEN GLASSER, JESSE, WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME? AND PETER STOTTS HAVE SAID, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THEM BY REFERENCE INTO WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
AND YOU CAN DO THIS IN THE COURT OF LAW.
ESSENTIALLY, I HAVE FOUR CONCERNS AND REASONS THAT THIS PLAT, AS IS, SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED OR SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED TONIGHT.
OR AT LEAST IT SHOULDN'T BE UNTIL SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED HAVE BEEN GRANTED, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEER.
NUMBER ONE, THE LOCATION OR ENTRANCE TO EACH OF THESE LOTS.
WELL, BEACH AVENUE IS ALREADY, IT SHOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE.
BUT THOSE OF US WHO DO TRY TO DRIVE TO OUR HOMES, THERE ARE LOTS OF BICYCLES, INDIVIDUALS.
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THERE WOULD BE A CONCERN AS TO WHETHER THE ENTRANCE UH AN EGRESS AND ENTRANCE TO THOSE LOTS WOULD BE ON BEACH AVENUE OR WOULD BE ON SEMINOLE ROAD NUMBER TWO SETBACKS SETBACKS ARE IMPORTANT.ARE THESE GOING TO BE 50? SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE 50 FEET LOTS, ARE THESE GOING TO BE 25 FOOT LOTS? WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS GOING TO BE ON THAT? THE DRAINAGE, DR.
STATZ SAID IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
STATZ IN THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY CANNOT STAND FOUR UNITS CLEAR CUT.
I WALK BY, MY HUSBAND AND I WALK BY THE THE HOUSES JUST SOUTH OF IT WITH THE SANDBAGS, THEY'RE LIKE IN A HOLE.
AND WE DON'T WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN TO THESE OTHER PROPERTIES.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY.
WHAT KIND OF DENSITY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE? I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DEFER RULING ON APPROVING THIS PROPOSAL.
IF YOU DON'T DENY IT TONIGHT, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH REASONS.
GIVEN TO YOU AND THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU TO DENY IT TONIGHT BUT IF YOU DON'T DEFER IT AT LEAST TILL THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING OPINION SHOWING THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC APPROVAL UH AND THANK YOU THIS IS REGARD TO STORMWATER ETC THANK YOU NANCY STATS GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS UM DR.
NANCY STOTZ, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THESE TWO PAPERS, ONE OF WHICH DISCUSSES, IT'S FROM OUR OWN CODE, THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAPTER, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS I'M REFERRING TO.
THE PURPOSE IS SET FORTH HERE.
IT IS TO PROVIDE FOR ORDERLY GROWTH, ENCOURAGE THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE OF LAND, PROTECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, PROTECT AND CONSERVE THE VALUE OF PROPERTY, TO PREVENT OVERCROWDING OF LAND, TO PROMOTE, PROTECT, AND IMPROVE THE HEALTH.
SAFETY, COMFORT, GOOD ORDER, APPEARANCE, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT UP UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2024, THIS PARTICULAR LOT WAS ONLY ZONED FOR TWO HOMES.
SO SOMETHING HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
AND LO AND BEHOLD, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH CHANGED FROM 75 TO 40 FEET.
AND THE MINIMUM SURFACE AREA FOR A LOT CHANGED AND IT DOESN'T IT ISN'T CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE IMPETUS OF THIS WAS OR WHY IT WAS VOTED ON AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THIS IS THE GRADING THAT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED AND I SHALL JUST READ FROM 24-70 EXCEPT AS REQUIRED TO MEET COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CODES OR AS REQUIRED TO MEET APPLICABLE FLOOD ZONE OR STORM WATER REGS PURSUANT TO VALID PERMITS.
THE GRADE, ELEVATION, OR TOPOGRAPHY OF ANY PARCEL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT SITE SHALL NOT BE ALTERED.
SO WE'VE HEARD ALL THE ISSUES.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE RAIN SINCE THESE TWO NEW HOMES HAVE BEEN BUILT.
AND THE LITTLE RAIN WE GOT RESULTED IN AN ABSOLUTE DELUGE, CREATING A GULLY.
IT FLOODED THE BASEMENT OF THE SOUTHERN SIDE HOME.
SO IN A WAY, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN THE SUFFERING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, SOMEONE COME OUT AND TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE HOUSE MEETS THE FOUNDATION, THE BRICK HAS CRUMBLED.
THERE'S BRICKS SEPARATED BELOW THAT.
I'M NOT A BUILDER, SO I CAN'T OPINE WHAT IT IS.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING FUNKY GOING ON.
THE DAMAGE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IS REAL, AND THE CITIZENS DESERVE YOUR CAREFUL CONTEMPLATION ON THIS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD.
THE LOSS OF THOSE HARDWOOD TREES IN AN AREA THAT WAS FREQUENTLY WETLAND IS NOT ONLY DESTROYING HABITAT SHADE AND STABILIZING, BUT AGAIN, IT'S AGAINST OUR CITY'S GOAL AND WHAT WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO MAINTAIN.
WE ARE KILLING THE GOLDEN GOOSE THAT IS ATLANTIC BEACH.
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AND I'M SEVEN YEARS OLD AND MY ADDRESS IS TWENTY TWENTY EIGHT BEACH AVENUE I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TREES I DO NOT WANT THE PEOPLE TO CUT DOWN THE TREES NEXT TO MY HOUSE I LIKE TO GO OUT IN THE FOREST AND PLAY WITH MY GRANDPA AND BUILD FORTS AND I UM ALSO LOVE THAT THE TREES GIVE US AIR AND THEY HEAL THE EARTH AND THEY UM PROTECT WATER DAMAGE AND I DO NOT WANT WANT WATER DAMAGE ON MY HOME THANK YOU GOODBYE THANK YOU BLAKELY ELLIOT ZISSER I'M SORRY, THAT WAS LATELY.I'M HERE TO DISCUSS CONCERNS REGARDING, AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE POTENTIAL WATER DAMAGE TO OUR PROPERTY.
MY NAME IS LOGAN THAL, AND MY ADDRESS IS 2028 BEACH AVENUE.
SO I'M DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THESE LOTS THAT...
WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE TWO HOMES AND IS NOW GOING TO BE FOUR.
I ALWAYS DREAMED ABOUT LIVING IN ATLANTIC BEACH, AND WE MOVED INTO OUR HOME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND IT HAS BEEN TOUGH.
THERE'S SURROUNDED BY CONSTRUCTION EVERYWHERE, FLAT TIRES, OVERSPRAY ON OUR CARS.
IT'S BEEN REALLY CHALLENGING, AND I THINK THE 2024 MEETING, I SHOULD HAVE GONE TO.
I WAS FRESHLY POSTPARTUM AND COULDN'T MAKE IT.
YOU I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS REALLY SCARY.
WE'RE SEEING SANDBAGS, AS YOU'VE HEARD.
OUR HOME, THE GARAGE, DIPS DOWN AND IS LOWER THAN THE UPPER LEVEL, SO THE WATER WOULD JUST GO DOWN.
MY THREE GIRLS PLAY IN THE TREES, AND WE SEE FOXES AND OWLS AND LIZARDS AND ALL TYPES OF ANIMAL LIFE THERE.
AND IT'S REALLY CONCERNING THAT...
WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME DAMAGE IF THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE PROPER PRECAUTIONS AND JUST SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
AND I WILL, IF WE SUFFER DAMAGES, I WILL HOLD THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES ACCOUNTABLE AND LIABLE, INCLUDING THE CITY.
SO I JUST WANT THAT ON THE RECORD AND MY CONCERNS STATED.
MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MY ADDRESS IS ALSO OF RECORD.
MY WIFE HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ELOQUENTLY.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW SMALL MATTERS.
THIS LOT, THESE LOTS, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS ONE.
THIS WAS ACQUIRED AT THE VERY MOST AS A TOMB.
THE PEOPLE ACQUIRING IT DIDN'T LOSE ANYTHING IN THEIR PURCHASE THAT WOULD RESULT OR WOULD REQUIRE SUBDIVIDING THE LOTS FURTHER AND CREATING, AND AS IT'S CALLED THAT IN THE PAPERWORK, A SUBDIVISION.
WE THINK, I HOPE THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TODAY.
AND I THINK IT'S REQUIRED THAT THE PROPERTY BE OF A DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH ITS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ALL TRUE.
AND NOW WE'VE STARTED TO DISMANTLE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF IT LOOK LIKE ARMY BARRACKS.
THIS PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SPACE ON BEACH AVENUE THAT IS USED AS A PEDESTRIAN BYWAY.
IT'S A SINGLE-LANE ROAD, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS.
AND NOW MORE TRAFFIC THEN CAN BE UNDERTAKEN SAFELY.
THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODE THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BE IN LINE.
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA AND CONSISTENT WITH
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THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING THAT ATLANTIC BEACH WAS ABOUT HOW IT GOT THIS FAR I DON'T KNOW BUT IT'S NOW IN THE PLATTING STAGE IN THE OPINIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE RISEN UP TODAY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES ILLUSTRATES MY POSITION EXACTLY AND I THINK REPRESENTS THE SAME OPINIONS OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOPEFULLY THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF ATLANTIC BEACH THANKS THANK YOU MR ZISSER STEPHEN FOURACRE HEY, I'M STEPHEN FORAKER.I'M SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS MY ADDRESS ON FILE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THING SHOULD NOT BE PLANTED IN ANY WAY DIFFERENTLY.
BUT A FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME LAST TIME I SPOKE TO YOU ALL THAT IT SEEMED LIKE I WAS A GRUMPY OLD MAN YELLING AT PARTICULARLY ONE COMMISSIONER.
AND I'M SORRY FOR YELLING IF I WAS.
I THOUGHT I WAS SPEAKING DECLARATIVELY.
ANYWAY, TONIGHT I'LL YELL AT THE WHOLE COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU SEEM PREPARED TO JUST HIRE THE CITY MANAGER, NOT HIRE THE CITY MANAGER INTERIM THAT HAS BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB AND QUITE ACTUALLY TWO JOBS SINCE KILLINGSWORTH LEFT.
SADLY, ONLY A SMALL FRACTION OF OUR COMMUNITY KNOWS WHY HE WAS SENT PACKING, BUT THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY.
BUT YOU AS A COMMISSION SEEM LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND $75,000 TO $100,000 ON THIS SEARCH FIRM AND THIS SEARCH TO GO THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND PLUCK JUST THE PERFECT.
CANDIDATE EVEN IF THEY HAVE A JOB AND AREN'T LOOKING FOR ONE.
YOU DIDN'T POST ANYTHING ON JOB BOARDS, CITY MANAGER JOB BOARDS, WHICH WOULD BE THE NATURAL FIRST STEP TO DO.
IT'S A HUGE AND EXPENSIVE GAMBLE GOING WITH THIS FIRM.
SOME SAY THAT THE LAST TIME WAS SUCCESSFUL WITH FINDING JIM HANSEN.
WELL, LET ME REMIND YOU, THOUGH, THAT WAS IN A CITY MANAGER JOB MARKET FROM THE LAST CENTURY.
AND THOUGH JIM DID A GOOD JOB, BY THE END OF 13 YEARS, HE WAS PUSHED OUT BECAUSE SORT OF A FIEFDOM HAD DEVELOPED AROUND THAT JOB.
SOMEONE SAYS THAT YOU DON'T OFFER THE CURRENT INTERIM MANAGER THE JOB BECAUSE HE'S NEVER DONE A BUDGET.
HOGENKAMP, AND HE HAS WORKED IN THE FORMATIONS OF MANY BUDGETS OVER HIS TIME IN CITY LIFE, STARTING WITH ALBANY, GEORGIA, WHERE HE PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ALBANY, AND MANY MORE BUDGET FORMATIONS HERE.
IF THERE'S SOME INTERPERSONAL STUFF GOING ON WITH HOGENKAMP AND ANY OF YOU COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU HAD A VOTE OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEALT WITH THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND HAD INTERACTIONS WITH HOGENKAMP, THEY WOULD VOTE OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVAL OF HIS JOB PERFORMANCE.
I LIVE HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, 1880 LIVE OAK LANE, AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 29 YEARS.
AND I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT JESSE SAID EARLIER.
UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE HERE, I HAVEN'T DONE MY RESEARCH.
I DON'T KNOW THE INNER BEHIND THE SCENE WORKINGS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I AM A BUSINESS OWNER AND I'D LIKE TO
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BELIEVE I'M A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNER.AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE HIRING OF THE NEXT CITY MANAGER.
IF THIS WERE MY BUSINESS AND I HAD SOMEONE FROM WITHIN WHO WAS POTENTIALLY QUALIFIED WHO KNEW THE CULTURE WHO KNEW THE SYSTEMS KNEW THE COMMUNITY WAS LOVED AND RESPECTED BY THE COMMUNITY IT JUST SEEMS LIKE GOOD BUSINESS FOR THAT TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO CONSIDER FOR THE POSITION.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, JUST ECHOING WHAT STEVE HAS SAID, WE ALL KNOW THAT KEVIN HAS A WEALTH OF BACKGROUND AND KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN DIFFERENT ROLES AND COMMUNITIES.
AND HE HAS SERVED THIS COMMUNITY WELL.
AND I DO THINK IT WOULD REFLECT WELL ON THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER HIM SERIOUSLY FOR THIS POSITION.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COURTESY.
SO WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE TO ITEM 2A, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE WYATT PERLETTE.
HE'S VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATION OF BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
I'VE ASKED HIM TO COME GIVE THE COMMUNITY A REPORT ON HOW IT'S GOING AS WE NEAR THE END OF OUR SECOND.
WITH YOUR INDULGENCE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT REPORT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, KEVIN, FOR THE INVITE.
WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED AND JUST SO THANKFUL FOR THE PARTNERSHIP WITH ATLANTIC BEACH AND BEING ABLE TO SERVE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES BY GAIL BAKER AND JORDAN PARK.
AND I KIND OF WANTED TO JUST GO OVER A COUPLE KEY HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO.
BOTH LOCATIONS ARE CURRENTLY AT OVER 100 APPLICATIONS FOR SUMMER CAMP.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE AT BOTH GAIL BAKER AND JORDAN PARK IS FREE TO ALL FAMILIES.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED NOW TO GO, AS YOU MENTIONED, INTO OUR THIRD SUMMER IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
AND SO THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE IN BOTH OF THOSE.
FACILITIES I WANTED TO AGAIN HIGHLIGHT.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO JOIN A FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
SO WE HAVE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS 59 LOCATIONS IN FIVE DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO COMPETE AGAINST ALL OF THOSE ATHLETES FROM NORTHEAST FLORIDA FOR FLAG FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL.
THE GAIL BAKER LOCATION, THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS FOR BASKETBALL.
THEY DID NOT WIN THEIR PLAYOFF GAME, BUT IT WAS A FIRST FOR THEM.
SO WE WERE REALLY PROUD OF THEM.
THEY WERE ALSO ABLE TO, WE WERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE JAGUAR FOUNDATION, AND WE OFFERED TICKETS TO THE JAGS GAME THIS SEASON, FREE OF CHARGE TO FAMILIES IN BOTH OF THOSE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS, WHICH WHEN YOU HAVE A PLAYOFF SEASON, YOU USUALLY DON'T GET FREE TICKETS FROM THE JAGUAR FOUNDATION.
SO IT WAS REALLY COOL FOR THOSE FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY ATTEND, BUT BRING THEIR YOUNG PEOPLE AS WELL.
THEY ALSO PARTICIPATED IN YOUTH OF THE YEAR, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST HONOR AS A BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO BESTOW ON ONE MEMBER OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
THEN THEY GO ON TO COMPETE AT THE STATE AND REGIONAL LEVEL.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO COMPETE IN THAT THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS A NATIONAL FINE ART CONTEST.
SO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AT JORDAN PARK PARTICULARLY ENJOYED CREATING A PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB AND COMPETING NOW NATIONALLY WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF AMERICA, WHICH IS A FIRST FOR THEM AS WELL.
ONE THING THAT WE REALLY DO TRY TO PUSH.
ON OUR 13 TO 18 YEAR OLD STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING TO THESE CLUBS IS OUR MONEY MATTERS PROGRAM AND OUR CAREER LAUNCH PROGRAM.
AND BOTH CLUBS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS WHERE THEY GO THROUGH OUR MONEY MATTERS CURRICULUM AS WELL AS CAREER LAUNCH IN ORDER TO OBTAIN SUMMER INTERNSHIPS AND CAREERS WHEN THEY LEAVE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB SPACE.
AND SO THROUGH THAT, WE HAVE A FEW STUDENTS WHO HAVE INTERNSHIPS AND JOBS COMING UP BECAUSE OF CAREER LAUNCH.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND SOME OF THOSE INTERNSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS ARE WITH NAVY STATION MAYPORT.
SO RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE ABLE TO GO AND TOUR AND LEARN ABOUT THE CAREERS OVER THERE.
AND SOME ARE GOING TO INTERN THIS SUMMER.
I WANTED TO CLOSE WITH ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE REAL PROUD OF IS ALL OF OUR SENIORS THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM AT BOTH LOCATIONS WILL GRADUATE THIS YEAR.
SO ANYONE THAT NEEDS SOMETHING TO DO FOR SUMMER ARE.
WE HAVE A FEW SPOTS LEFT AT BOTH GAIL BAKER AND JORDAN PARK AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, ALLOWING US TO SERVE YOUNG PEOPLE IN BOTH OF THOSE SPACES.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, OK, WELL, GO AHEAD.
I MYSELF WAS A BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB CHILD BACK WELL LONG AGO, AND I APPRECIATE MY TIME THERE.
I LIVED WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD AS
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SHE WAS A SINGLE MOM.SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE.
AND I KNOW FIRSTHAND JUST HOW CRUCIAL ALL THAT WORK IS THAT YOU POUR INTO THE STUDENTS.
MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST WHAT ARE THE AGE GROUPS? DO YOU START IN KINDERGARTEN? IS IT FIRST GRADE? HAVE YOU DIVIDED OUT JORDAN VERSUS GAIL BAKER IN THE PROGRAMS? I KNOW THAT A KINDERGARTNER, I DON'T WANT THEM NEXT TO A SENIOR.
SO ALSO AND THEN WHERE DO THEY ALL LIVE? ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY'RE ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS OR ARE WE TAKING SOME FROM NEPTUNE? I KNOW JACK'S BEACH HAS A LOCATION RIGHT NEXT TO THE FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE LOCATION YOU WENT TO, CORRECT? NO, IT WAS WELL BEFORE THAT.
IT'S RIGHT AT THE LIONS CLUB ON PENMAN.
SO BEFORE THAT, BOYS AND GIRLS, I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO BREAK IN THAT ONE.
AND ALL THEY HAD WAS POOL TABLES.
THE GAME ROOM WAS THE SPOT BACK IN THE DAY.
SO FOR THE BREAKDOWN OF AGE GROUPS, WE SERVE SIX TO 18 YEAR OLDS.
JORDAN PARK IS FOCUSING ON YOUR K THROUGH FIVE.
DEMOGRAPHIC, WHILE GAIL BAKER IS MORE OF YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHIC, TO YOUR POINT AS WELL.
WE SURVEY OUR YOUNG PEOPLE CONSISTENTLY.
AND ONE THING THAT THE TEENAGERS SAY IS THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE BUILDING WITH KINDERGARTNERS.
THEY JUST WANT THEIR OWN SPACE.
THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT IS INVITING AND DESIGNED FOR THEM.
SO WE'RE SPLITTING IT UP IN THAT FASHION.
AND WE DO, YOU KNOW, IT IS, WE ARE TAKING YOUNG PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT LIKE 99% ATLANTIC BEACH.
SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM OTHER AREAS, IF THEY EITHER WORK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO PICK THEM UP AND GO TO, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY ALL STUDENTS.
MAY I ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, MAYOR, TO THAT? YES, LET'S CLOSE IT, PLEASE.
AND WITH THAT, DOES THE PRECEDENCE OR, I'M SORRY, DO ATLANTIC BEACH KIDS GET FIRST DIBS ON THOSE SPOTS IF YOU HAVE A CAP OFF? YEAH, WE'RE ANY EXISTING MEMBERS AS WELL.
AND WE REALLY DON'T WE HAVEN'T HIT THE CAP YET.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD TO KIND OF ADDRESS IT.
BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS WE JUST PRIORITIZE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THAT ISSUE POP UP YET.
BUT IF NEED BE, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS ]
THANK YOU.CITY MANAGER, THE 90-DAY CALENDAR IS SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF YOUR APPROVAL.
EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE CALENDAR? YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR.
AND I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR REPORTING.
MY REPORT COPY, WHICH IS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE AND ALSO ONLINE AT COAB.US FORWARD SLASH CITY MANAGER.
I'LL START WITH BEECH'S TOWN CENTER LIGHTING.
BECAUSE THE TOWN CENTER SITS DIRECTLY ON THE BORDER OF TWO CITIES AND USES TWO DIFFERENT UTILITY PROVIDERS, UPGRADING THE STREETLIGHTS REQUIRES A COORDINATED EFFORT, AND THAT'S ALSO WORKING WITH THE BEACHES TOWN CENTER AGENCY.
THE AGENCY HELPS SPEARHEAD THE AESTHETIC VISION AND RAISES SUPPLEMENTAL CAPITAL THROUGH THEIR FUNDRAISERS LIKE DANCING IN THE STREETS AND THE GOLF TOURNAMENT.
THE CORE STRUCTURAL COST OF THE UTILITY POLES AND THE ELECTRICAL GRID THERE.
IS UP TO THE MUNICIPALITIES TO SORT OUT THROUGH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGETS AND THROUGH OUR UTILITY PARTNERSHIPS WITH J.
SO THIS PROJECT IS AN ACTIVE PRIORITY AS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MAKE CLEAR IN YOUR PRIORITY SETTING SESSION WITH ONGOING COORDINATION BETWEEN THE C'S C.
MANAGERS OFFICES, THE AGENCY AND THE UTILITY PROVIDERS.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING OUR SCOPE DESIGN STANDARDS AND COST SHARING MECHANICS FOR THESE NEW STREETLIGHTS AND YOU'LL.
HEAR A REGULAR REPORT UNTIL WE GET THIS DONE AT SOME POINT DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT'S A FLORIDA STATUTE, AND I'VE GOT A CHECK, IS THAT THE PAID PARKING MONEY, RIGHT, SHOULD GO DOWN TOWARDS THE BEECHESTOWN CENTER AGENCY AREA, WOULD YOU SAY? SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THE TOP, ON THE FRONT BURNER, IN THAT THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO THAT AREA.
AND ALSO OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT IT BE SPENT EITHER DOWN THERE OR ON COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAMMING.
INDEED, YOU'LL ONLY HEAR FROM ME ADVANCING THE THOUGHT OF SPENDING BEECH'S TOWN CENTER PARKING MONEY ON BEECH'S TOWN CENTER.
THAT'LL BE THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION YOU GET FROM US.
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AND I'M INTERESTED IN CODIFYING THAT FURTHER.MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER, THE PARKING LOT REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY.
COMPLETION IS ANTICIPATED LONG BEFORE THE COMMUNITY CENTER'S SEPTEMBER OPENING.
THIS PHASE ALSO INCLUDES REMOVING OLD FENCING AND VEGETATION TO BETTER INTEGRATE THE CENTER WITH THE PARK AND THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY GARDEN.
THE INSTALLATION ON THE GARDEN FOLLOWS SOON, AND RESIDENTS ALSO SOON WILL BE INVITED TO HELP DEFINE THE PROGRAMMING.
AND OPERATIONAL STRATEGY FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE AS MEATY AS OF AN UPDATE AS I THINK SARAH BOREN HAD DESIRED, BUT STAFF STILL INTENDS TO PRESENT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO THIS COMMISSION AT YOUR MEETING ON JUNE THE 8TH, WITH CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING AS EARLY AS JUNE THE 22ND.
SO AS MS. BOREN SPOKE, SHE WOULD LIKE US TO CLOSE OUT CHAPTER 23 REWRITING, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT MEETING.
THIS IS ABOUT THE OLDER LARGE TREES.
THAT'S RIGHT, PRIMARILY THE DIGGING INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE ORDINANCE BEYOND OUR FOCUS IN PHASE 1, AS SARAH ACCURATELY CALLED IT, WOULD BE LATER IN A LATER PHASE LATER THIS YEAR PHASE ONE IS FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON THE LARGE GROWTH TREES AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I THINK I HAVE FROM THIS COMMISSION YES ABSOLUTELY SO COMMISSIONERS WHEN WE GET TO THE PRIORITIES WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER ADDING THAT REWRITE OF 23 INTO THE PRIORITIES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THEN ALL RIGHT 3E THANK YOU UNDER THE CATEGORY OF WATERING RESTRICTIONS DUE TO THIS SEVERE REGIONAL DROUGHT AND OUR DECLINING GROUNDWATER LEVELS, AS YOU ALL HOPEFULLY KNOW BY NOW, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS PLACED DUVAL COUNTY, INCLUDING ATLANTIC BEACH, UNDER A MANDATORY PHASE 3 EXTREME WATER SHORTAGE DECLARATION.
UNDER THESE EMERGENCY RULES, LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAS BEEN STRICTLY LIMITED TO JUST ONE DAY PER WEEK.
OUR MESSAGING IN THE COMMUNITY.
GIVES MORE DETAILS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WATERING RESTRICTIONS.
AND FINALLY, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE STATE CONTINUES TO APPEAR POISED TO CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS TOWARD OUR CRITICAL PRIORITIES THAT ALL FOUR PROJECTS AS IT TURNS OUT AS THE HOUSE AND SENATE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS NEAR A FINAL AGREEMENT AND THAT'S $650,000 FOR THE SHERMAN CREEK DREDGING PROJECT AND BANK STABILIZATION.
$212,000 FOR THE DOOR DRIVE STORMWATER POND.
THAT WOULD PROTECT 92 STRUCTURES FROM 25-YEAR FLOODS.
$200,000 TO FURTHER OUR MARSH OAK SEPTIC TANK ELIMINATION EFFORTS.
AND LATE THIS AFTERNOON, I CONFIRMED THAT WE STILL HAVE $195,000 FOR OUR SAILFISH DRIVE MULTI-USE PATH.
THAT REQUEST SO FAR IS STANDING STRONG IN THE BUDGET.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL MOVE INTO REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER RING.
I HAD A NEIGHBOR ON 9TH AND MAIN STREET.
SHE WAS AN ELDERLY WOMAN JUST RECENTLY WIDOWED, AND SHE HAD A TREE IN HER YARD VERY CLOSE TO THE STREET THAT WAS PRETTY OLD.
AND LOOK LIKE IT WAS GOING TO FALL OVER.
I THINK IT WAS DECAYED IN ANY CASE.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO SHOUT OUT TO STAFF AND PARTICULAR A ARBORIST.
ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE LISTED ON OUR CITY WEB PAGE, MIKE HOFFMAN, WHO CAME OUT OUR OUR ARBORIST, CHRIS STELKE, DID GO OUT, CHECKED IT, DID SAY THAT IT WAS, IN FACT, A WATER OAK.
THAT PROBABLY MIGHT NEED TO COME DOWN AS IT WAS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO COULD POSSIBLY FALL ON HER HOUSE OR HER PROPERTY OR HER.
AND THEY, MR. HOGENKAMP DID GO OUT AND CHECK IT AND SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND THEN GOT IN CONTACT WITH MIKE HOFFMAN, WHO CAME AND REMOVED IT.
I THINK ALL OF IT TOOK PLACE IN THREE DAYS.
AND THEY JUST TRIMMED THE TOP OF IT, THE DEAD PART OF IT.
THIS PROJECT, THIS TREE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THERE WERE NO PUBLIC EXPENDITURES.
YEAH, HE DID IT AT NO COST, MIKE HOFFMAN.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE HIM A SHOUT OUT WITH THAT.
AND WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.
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FARMER WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT, AS SHE WAS VERY WORRIED FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, ESPECIALLY WITH HURRICANE SEASON LOOMING.ASIDE FROM THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN DO WE HAVE ANY FDOT UPDATES FOR THE MAYPORT IMPROVEMENT PLAN OR THAT ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT'S COMING? ANYTHING NEW? YES, THE PROJECT WILL GET UNDERWAY.
OKAY IT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVELY UH YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DETAILS IN MY TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU'LL GET IT YOU'LL GET THE IN THE COMMUNITY WE'LL GET THE UPDATE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING BUT WE WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY STARTING TO GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT THE TIMELINE JUNE IS THE START DATE THAT'S THAT'S SOLID OKAY PERFECT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRANT YES THANK YOU THANK YOU, MAYOR.
JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO THE STREET LAMPS, CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH HAS VOTED AND PASSED ON A FORMAL RESOLUTION TO CHANGE OUT THEIR STREET LAMPS TO THE SAME MAKE AS QUOTED.
AND I KNOW THAT, KEVIN, YOU'VE BEEN SURPRISED BY THAT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH IS TAKING IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS JUST FOR POSTURING OR WHATNOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO CHANGE THE STREET LAMPS.
ANY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO ACCELERATE THAT, IF WE CAN HELP, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
THE OTHER THING THE BEECHSTOWN CENTER AGENCY HAS REPORTED IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RESTORING THE TURTLE BY POSE.
YOU'LL REMEMBER THE JAGUAR, I GUESS RIGHT NEXT OUTSIDE TO THE IGUANA TO THE WEST, GOT RENOVATED SOMEWHAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO PAID FOR WHAT.
BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE TURTLE OUTSIDE OF POE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR US TO GET ANY HELP, BUT THEY MIGHT.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE TREE REPORT KIND OF QUICKLY, AND I'M CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO GET CHAPTER 23 VOTED ON, AGREED UPON AND VOTED ON.
BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO, AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT.
HOW DO WE PROTECT THE LEGACY OAKS? ARE WE NOT THERE YET? I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS WEEK.
THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE VERBIAGE FOR A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FROM STAFF AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE ON IT YET.
AND YOU WEREN'T WRONG TO HAVE EXPECTED MORE MEAT AND POTATOES AS FAR AS MY REPORT.
SO WE DIDN'T GET THAT DONE IN TIME FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING SOLID FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO VET THIS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOOK THEIR TEMPERATURE.
OH, YOU'VE TAKEN THEIR TEMPERATURE.
IT'S LIKE THE NO-BAR ISSUE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
SO LET'S WE REALLY GOT TO AMP THAT UP.
SO A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING TICKETS THAT WERE UNPAID, AND THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO HIRE A COMPANY TO PURSUE THAT.
SO CAN WE GET A STATUS OF HOW MANY TICKETS STILL OUTSTANDING? IS IT STARTING TO BE THE SEASON AND IT'S GOING TO BE DISNEY TOWN CENTER THE WHOLE TIME? WE'LL GET THAT REPORT TO YOU AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS WE'VE ALL GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM A CITIZEN ABOUT THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY IN AN AQUATIC GARDENS AND THAT'S SORT OF A POLICE PROBLEM, I THINK, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE FEELING THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN ANY WITH ANY BIGGER.
COMMISSIONER, IS THAT A CONCERN ABOUT A PERSON WHO SEEMS TO BE HOMELESS, SLEEPING ON A PARK BENCH NEAR THE AQUATIC POND? I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE SAYS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE DURING THE DAY THAT ARE SMOKING, SLEEPING, DRINKING.
AND LITTERING ALL OVER THE PUBLIC CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.
THEY EVEN SLEEP THERE OVERNIGHT, AND IT'S BECOME A GROWING ISSUE.
COMMANDER CAMERON'S IN THE AUDIENCE TAKING GOOD NOTES, AND YOU CAN BET WE'LL FOLLOW UP IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY.
SHOULD WE FORWARD THIS TO THEM? WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
ALL RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I HAD TONIGHT.
HAPPY TO SEE RICK CARPER RECOGNIZED YESTERDAY.
HE'S DONE A LOT FOR THE CITY AND THEY CALLED HIM UP.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT HERE, BUT HE PROBABLY KNOWS AS MUCH ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY AS ANYBODY ELSE.
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TO SEE THAT.WE GOT A REPORT FROM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES ON THURSDAY.
I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT GOOD AS FAR AS WATERING RESTRICTIONS.
IN MY AMATEUR RIDING AROUND THE BEACHES, YOU SEE SPRINKLERS, ETC., ETC.
JOHN'S, AND THIS IS ABOUT TO GO TO PHASE FOUR.
WHICH WILL BE THE WORST DROUGHT THIS AREA'S HAD SINCE THE EARLY 1900S.
AND THAT'S KIND OF STUNNING TO ME BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WATER AND MAJOR STORMS, HURRICANES, ET CETERA, THE WATER TABLES.
SO I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PUBLICIZE THAT FACT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE IT'S REAL AND IT'S HERE.
NUMBER THREE, THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.
I WANT TO THANK BOB FOR COMING OUT TODAY.
AND HE'LL COVER IT WHEN WE GO TO 2660.
I THINK I'VE MADE MYSELF CLEAR WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT IT'S GOOD NEWS.
I THINK THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS,
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS ]
BUT WHEN WE GET THERE, I'LL LET BOB TALK ABOUT THAT.OH, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RECRUITMENT NOW.
SO WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 4B, NATIONAL POLICE WEEK PROCLAMATION.
WE DIDN'T READ THIS PREVIOUSLY, CORRECT? WE HAVE NOT READ IT.
THIS IS A PROCLAMATION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH RECOGNIZING NATIONAL POLICE WEEK 2026, WHEREAS THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE DESIGNATED MAY 10TH THROUGH 16TH, 2026, AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK AND MAY 15TH AS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY.
AND WHEREAS THE MEMBERS OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN SAFEGUARDING THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF OUR RESIDENTS ENSURING THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS PARKS AND BEACHES REMAIN SAFE PLACES TO LIVE WORK AND VISIT AND WHEREAS IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ALL CITIZENS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE DUTIES RESPONSIBILITIES HAZARDS AND SACRIFICES OF THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND THAT MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZE THEIR DUTY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE BY SAFEGUARDING LIFE AND PROPERTY BY PROTECTING THEM AGAINST VIOLENCE AND DISORDER AND BY PROTECTING THE INNOCENT AGAINST DECEPTION AND THE WEAK AGAINST OPPRESSION.
AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH UNRESERVEDLY SUPPORTS OUR OFFICERS AS THEY WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES, MAINTAIN PUBLIC TRUST AND FOSTER A SPIRIT OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS WE HONOR THE COURAGE AND DEDICATION OF THOSE WHO HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN THE LINE OF DUTY AND WE EXPRESS OUR FOR PROFOUND GRATITUDE TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO WEAR THE BADGE WITH INTEGRITY AND HONOR.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, CURTIS FORD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 10TH THROUGH 16TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND INVITE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN IN COMMEMORATING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS PAST AND PRESENT WHO, BY THEIR FAITHFUL AND LOYAL DEVOTION TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, HAVE RENDERED A DEDICATED SERVICE TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND IN DOING SO HAVE ESTABLISHED FOR THEMSELVES.
AND AN ENVIABLE AND ENDURING REPUTATION FOR PRESERVING THE RIGHTS AND SECURITY OF ALL CITIZENS.
IN WITNESS WHEREFORE I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE OFFICIAL SEAL OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE AFFIXED THIS 13TH DAY OF MAY 2026, CURTIS FORD MAYOR.
AND SORRY THIS IS LATE, BUT I GUESS WE'LL SAY NEVER, YOU KNOW, NEVER TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND SO COMMANDER, PLEASE TAKE THAT BACK.
I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS TO YOU IF I MAY.
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 26-60 ]
OKAY, LET'S SEE.MOVING RIGHT ALONG, WE'LL GO TO RESOLUTIONS ITEM 8A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-60, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AWARDING A CONTRACT FOR CITY MANAGER EXECUTIVE SEARCH CONSULTANT SERVICES AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND FEE AGREEMENT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROPOSAL.
AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT COMMISSIONER BOLL UM I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO UH KEVIN AND MAYBE BOB COULD COME UP AND BRIEF US WHERE WE'RE AT YEP GOOD AND I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY TURN THIS OVER
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TO BOB.I'M KEVIN'S DIRECTOR OF HR SAFETY AND RISK MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING, THE MINUTES WERE APPROVED TODAY.
THE COMMISSIONERS WERE SUPPOSED TO EMAIL ME AND GIVE ME THEIR TOP THREE RANKINGS, AND I COMPILED THOSE.
I GOT ONE EMAIL FROM COMMISSIONER RING, AND I COMPILED THAT WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
SOME VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS I HAD WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, THEIR DESIRE TO STICK WITH THE PROCUREMENT RANKINGS THAT PATTY DRAKE SUPPLIED.
AND I WENT ON TO CALL AND SPEAK WITH THOSE FOUR FIRMS THAT WERE IN THE TOP FOUR, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR WISHES AND WHAT WAS ALREADY PREDETERMINED.
I SPOKE WITH EACH OF THE FOUR COMPANIES VIA PHONE, AND I ASKED THEM PARTICULARLY WHAT KANSAS KELLY HAD ASKED, WHAT MAKES YOUR FIRM DIFFERENT, WHAT SETS YOU APART FROM GETTING YOUR CANDIDATES.
WE'RE ALL FISHING FROM THE SAME POOL, AND EACH OF THEM KIND OF DETAILED WHAT DOES MAKE THEM DIFFERENT.
SO OF THE COMPANIES, SLAVIN MANAGEMENT, MGT, SGR, AND CPS, EACH ONE HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE NETWORKS.
SO MANY TIMES THEY POST FOR A CITY MANAGER IN A CITY AND THEY GET HUNDREDS OF APPLICANTS.
ONE WILL EVENTUALLY BE SELECTED.
AND THEN THEY KEEP THOSE EMAILS AND THOSE CONTACTS FOR THOSE THAT WERE NOT SELECTED.
MAYBE IT WASN'T A GOOD FIT FOR THAT CITY, ET CETERA.
AND THIS GOES ON YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND THEN THEY JUST BUILD UP CONTACTS.
IN ADDITION TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND LINKEDIN AND INSTAGRAM, TIKTOK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS.
THEY GET CONTACTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.
MANY OF THEM HAVE 20, 30,000, FROM WHAT THEY REPORTED TO ME, OF CONTACTS.
IN ADDITION TO THEIR LINKEDIN PAGE, WHICH IS LIKED BY SOME OF THEM, 50,000 SUBSCRIBERS GET THEIR LINKEDIN.
SO IF THEY POST A JOB ON LINKEDIN AND ALL THE OTHER SITES, POTENTIALLY 40,000 OR 50,000 PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT.
CANDACE, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.
IN RECRUITING, WE BREAK THIS DOWN AS PASSIVE VERSUS ACTIVE RECRUITING.
PASSIVE RECRUITING, YOU JUST POST AN AD AND YOU HOPE THAT FISH JUMP IN THE NET.
ACTIVE RECRUITING IS COLD CALLING.
YOU PICK UP THE PHONE AND YOU CALL PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW AND PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE TALKED WITH OVER THE YEARS.
HEY, I GOT A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY IN ATLANTIC BEACH.
I KNOW THAT ONE IN PEMBROKE PINES DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR YOU, BUT THIS IS A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND YOU TRY AND SELL THEM IF YOU THINK THEY'RE A GOOD FIT.
ESSENTIALLY, IT'S COLD CALLING.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GREAT, GREAT FIRM AND A NOT SO GREAT FIRM.
I SPOKE WITH ALL FOUR OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE ASSIGNED TO OUR ACCOUNT IF YOU SELECT THEM, AND EACH OF THEM WOULD BE A FINE SELECTION.
THEY ALL RELAYED TO ME EXPERIENCE DOING THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SEVERAL HAVE WORKED IN CITY GOVERNMENT, SO THEY HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IT WAS TO BE A CITY MANAGER.
TWO OF THE FOUR WERE ICMA CERTIFIED.
SO, I MEAN, THEY HAVE PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
NO COMMISSIONER SENT ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME FOR THE FIRMS. SO, I MEAN, I PRETTY MUCH QUERIED THE FIRMS BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT WAS RELEVANT.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND PATTY AND DONNA. I KNOW YOU WERE ON THE TEAM, THE WORK YOU GUYS PUT IN AND THE PROCESS FOLLOWING A NORMAL AND A VERY GOOD PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
AS WE GO AROUND AND EVERYONE CAN SPEAK UP TO THIS, I WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS I'VE HEARD IT IN THE PAST THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A RUSH.
WE HAVE A GOOD CITY MANAGER INTERIM SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME RIGHT HERE.
AND COULD BE THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A RUSH.
AND SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK THIS COMMISSION TONIGHT TO CONSIDER DEFERRING ON THIS RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF SELECTING AND SHORTLISTING THE TOP THREE THAT WE AGREE ON FROM THIS LIST TO ACTUALLY BRING THEM BACK FOR A ZOOM OR TEAMS CALL IN THIS CHAMBER ON THE DATE OF THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T HAVE THAT YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP.
THE QUESTION, AND I LOOK AT COMMISSIONER RING, BECAUSE TIME IS ALWAYS THE ISSUE HERE, COULD WE DO, IF WE SO CHOOSE, COULD WE DO THAT FROM FIVE
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TO SIX? ON THAT DATE? AND IF NOT, COULD WE DO IT IN THE FIRST HOUR OR NOT NECESSARILY THE FIRST HOUR, BUT DOING IT SOMETIME DURING THE REGULAR MEETING? AND SO MY REASON FOR ASKING FOR THIS IS PERSONALLY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU MY TAKE ON IT NOW.I'M GOOD WITH THE OVERALL PROCESS OF RANKING ON ALL OF THESE.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND THREE IN THAT ORDER, BUT I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT THE TOP THREE THREE COULD BE ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND I THINK, COMMISSIONER RING, I THINK YOU ACTUALLY HAD A DIFFERENT THIRD.
BUT NONETHELESS, I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO HEAR FROM THESE THREE CANDIDATES, IF WE SHORTLIST TO THREE, ALL AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT WE CAN THEN DELIBERATE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
I FEEL A LITTLE BIT ILL AT EASE THAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF DOING SOMETHING.
SO AS TO NOT VIOLATE SUNSHINE AND SO ON.
WE'RE ALL DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A DELIBERATION TOGETHER AS THIS BODY.
AND SO I'LL OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION.
ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR BOB? ANY OBSERVATIONS YOU HAVE? BUT WE'LL THEN TAKE A MOTION TO DO SO.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND I THINK, BOB, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MGT WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE COLLECTIVELY BY AT LEAST THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE.
AM I CORRECT? SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS IN SOME RESPECTS ALREADY.
I THINK YOU'VE SAID TO EVERYONE, GO OUT AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.
BOB, I KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T GET A TON OF QUESTIONS FROM US.
SO I ASSUMED THAT'S JUST ME, THAT WE'D DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
AND SOME OF THE HOMEWORK IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT APPLIED, PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL WORKING IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S THAT'S PUBLIC AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
SO WE HAVE AT LEAST IN YOU GUYS CORRECT ME AS WE GO AROUND.
WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE RANKED THESE TWO AT LEAST ONE AND TWO.
I THOUGHT THAT AGAIN, YOU CORRECT ME THAT WE HAD A CONSENSUS.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD.
HONESTLY, I CAME PREPARED TO VOTE FOR MY TOP ONE.
SO I HAD THREE AND THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE AND THEY WERE CLOSE TO BLANCO'S AND THE OTHER TWO WHO RANKED THEM IN THE STAFF.
SO BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT ZOOM WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO ARE WE ALL ON ZOOM THREE TIMES? WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE CANDIDATES CALL IN ON ZOOM OR TEAMS. WE'D SEE THEM ON THE SCREEN.
EACH ONE OF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
SO THREE MINUTES TIMES EACH CANDIDATE TIMES FIVE PEOPLE IS 15 TIMES THREE CANDIDATES IS 45 MINUTES.
AND WE EITHER COULD DELIBERATE AND DECIDE THERE OR DECIDE IN THE REGULAR PORTION OF THE MEETING.
AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE ONE OF THE ADVOCATES ORIGINALLY THAT WE DELAY THIS AND TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
WELL, NO, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK YOU WANTED TO DELAY IT FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, GIVING MORE TIME FOR THE EXISTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TO PERFORM IN HIS ROLE.
I DON'T EXACTLY THINK I SAID THAT.
WELL, OKAY, BUT I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, AND SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK IT WOULD BE EASY TO DO.
I DON'T THINK THE DELAY IS SIGNIFICANT OR WOULD DAMAGE US IN ANY WAY OR THE CITY, AND THE MORE THE CITIZENS SEE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND HEARING AND DISCUSSING.
SO THAT'S JUST MY BELIEF ON THAT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE ONE HOUR? IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN ONE HOUR FOR THAT.
AND EACH, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO GIVE NOTICE SO THAT THEY CAN PRESENT.
AND I THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'LL BE INTERESTING, THE CONVERSATION AND WHAT WE HEAR.
SO BOB, HAVE YOU MET IN PERSON ANY OF THE REPRESENTATIVES, LIKE FACE-TO-FACE? IT'S ALL BEEN OVER THE PHONE, RIGHT? ONE OF THEM ARE HERE.
SORRY, ONE POINT OF CONTACT FROM SGR.
I WILL EXPAND ON THIS IF YOU ALLOW ME.
SGR, THEIR POINT OF CONTACT FOR THIS CONTRACT WOULD BE BASED OUT OF CLEARWATER, KEVIN KNUDSEN.
THE MGT CONTACT IS BASED OUT OF MINNEAPOLIS, I BELIEVE, YOLANDA.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE YOLANDA LIVES.
AGAIN, ANYTHING, SHE'S SEVERAL HOURS AWAY.
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OF ALL THE FIRMS, THAT WAS THE ONE.THAT I FELT WAS GOING TO BE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IN-PERSON TOUCHING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, MOST HEAVILY RELIED UPON VIDEO THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE IMPRESSION THEY GAVE.
AND EACH OF THE FIRMS, COMMISSIONER GRANT, TO YOUR QUESTION FROM THREE MEETINGS AGO, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT STAY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS? BECAUSE OUR TURNOVER IS LIKE TWO YEARS FOR THE LAST THREE.
MGT SAID THEY HAVE ABOUT 90% PLACEMENTS ARE THERE AFTER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD.
IT'S A SELF-IDENTIFIED PERCENTAGE.
SLAVIN ASSOCIATES SAID 95% OF PLACEMENTS HAVE STAYED FIVE YEARS OR MORE.
SLAVIN IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT OFFERS A TWO-YEAR KIND OF GUARANTEE THAT IF A...
PLACEMENT LEAVES, THEY WILL REPOST IT AND GO THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS.
EVERYBODY ELSE WAS A ONE-YEAR GUARANTEE.
SLAVIN HAD TOLD ME, BOB SLAVIN TOLD ME, HE'S ONLY HAD TO DO THAT FOUR TIMES IN THE HISTORY OF HIS COMPANY.
SGR, THIS IS IN THE NOTES THAT WE PUSHED OUT ON FRIDAY IN THE AMENDED AGENDA THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING.
THEY HAD KIND OF A SIMILAR, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN HERE.
I THINK IT WAS GREATER THAN 75% HAD BEEN THERE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SELF-IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN EASILY DEBUNK IF WE WANTED TO.
AND THEN CPS, ABBY AKERS, WHO'S OUT OF TEXAS, ALTHOUGH IT'S A CALIFORNIA COMPANY, SHE WOULD BE OUR CONTACT.
TOLD ME SHE WOULD BE VERY HANDS-ON AND IN PERSON, AND THAT WAS BUILT INTO THEIR ARRAY FOR TRAVEL.
AT THE TIME WE DID THE RFP, THEY HAD NO CONTRACTS IN FLORIDA, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO HER THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAY, SHE SAID, WE NOW HAVE THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI THAT SHE'S DOING TWO RECRUITMENTS FOR, AN ASSISTANT DEPUTY, CITY MANAGER, AND A PUBLIC WORKER.
AND I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE IS THIS? THIS IS CPS.
SHE SAID 95% OF THEIR PLACEMENTS AND THEY'RE AFTER 24 MONTHS.
SO, AGAIN, A LITTLE DIFFERENT STATISTIC THAT EACH OF THEM KIND OF TRACK ON THEMSELVES.
BUT THEY ARE A VERY WELL-ESTABLISHED 40-YEAR-OLD COMPANY AND A VERY, VERY HUGE NETWORK.
ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE TONS OF BUSINESS IN FLORIDA.
IN FACT, THEY HAVE THEIR FIRST ACCOUNT IN NORTH MIAMI JUST RECENTLY THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
THEY ARE VERY EAGER TO EARN OUR BUSINESS.
WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT ASKING HOW MANY ACTIVE CONTRACTS EACH OF THESE HAVE.
THEREFORE NOW THAT YOU BRING UP THE NEWS SPSS TO TWO POSITIONS MIGHT BE A TELLTALE OKAY OTHER COMMENTS OKAY I GUESS AND ASLEEP I KNOW I MEAN I CAME PREPARED TO VOTE TONIGHT I MEAN THEY'RE ALL IT THERE'S THREE THREE OF THEM ARE NECK AND NECK, AND I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GO WRONG WITH PICKING ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE.
SO, BOB, YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS MGR, MGT ON TOP OF THE LIST? BASED ON THE INDIVIDUALS I SPOKE WITH, I WOULD NOT PUT MGT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE AN SGR GUY? I WOULD PROBABLY.
I LIKE TO ROOT FOR AN UNDERDOG BECAUSE IN MY 30-YEAR CAREER, I WAS KIND OF ALWAYS THE UNDERDOG GOING IN TRYING TO GET ACCOUNTS AND WORKING IN THIS KIND OF LINE OF BUSINESS.
SO I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH CPS.
I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE A STRONG FOOTING HERE.
HOWEVER, ABBY AKERS WAS A VERY IMPRESSIVE RECRUITER ON THE PHONE.
KEVIN KNUTSON WITH SGR WAS EQUALLY IMPRESSIVE, AND HE'S VERY CLOSE.
COMMISSIONER RAY? I TOO WAS IMPRESSED BY CPS WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THAT PROPOSAL.
MY ISSUE WITH THEM WAS THEY WERE THE MOST EXPENSIVE, NOT NECESSARILY A TERRIBLE THING, AND THEY WEREN'T THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN SGR.
DO YOU THINK AS WE'RE GOING WITH THE, IF WE DID GO WITH THE UNDERDOG, WE'RE LOOKING AT PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT WORKED IN FLORIDA? I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET THREE QUOTES ON AN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM, LIKE SOMEBODY I KNOW HAD TO DO ON FRIDAY, WE GET THREE VARYING QUOTES OF WHAT'S INCLUDED, WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED.
CPS IS KIND OF AN ALL-INCLUSIVE.
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SHE HAS TO COME OUT FOUR TIMES VERSUS THREE TIMES VERSUS TWO TIMES.YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY UP FRONT.
MGT, I DEFINITELY DID NOT GET THAT FEELING.
TRAVEL FOR YOLANDA TO COME WILL BE BILLED EACH TIME AFTER TWO.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY THEIR CONTRACT WAS OR THEIR PROPOSAL WAS WORDED.
AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF AN ADD ON.
IF THEIR FIRST ROUND OF CANDIDATES, WE DON'T SELECT SOMEBODY FROM THEIR FIRST ROUND OF CANDIDATES, THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL $11,000 CHARGE TO REPOST IT IF THEY HAVE TO REPOST IT ON LIKE ICMA OR OTHER WEBSITES.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERY COMPANY, THERE COULD BE SOME ADD ONS.
THERE COULD NOT BE SOME ADD ON.
THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR FLAT RATE UH SGR WAS KIND OF MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE NGT I THINK WAS MORE OF AN ADD-ON A LA CART TYPE OF PRICE INSTRUCTION COMMISSIONER BULL YEAH BOB I YOU KNOW I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN A COUPLE TIMES BUT THE THE STATISTIC THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS FOR CITY COUNTY CITY COUNTY MANAGER SGR AT A TOTAL OF 48 SEARCHES, 45 ARE STILL EMPLOYED, 3 NOT EMPLOYED.
TOTAL NUMBER OF SEARCHES, 144 ARE STILL EMPLOYED, 100.
I'M GOING TO, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO OUR HR EXPERT ON WHERE HE WOULD GO.
AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WHAT'S REALLY ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS RESOLUTION 2660.
OR NOT APPROVE THAT FOR TODAY.
SO I WOULD REFER TO BOB, AND I THINK A COUPLE OF US HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE COMPANY THAT I WAS MOST FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, THEY DID NOT BID.
YOU ASKED ME TO DO SOME RESEARCH IN FERNANDINA AND ORANGE PARK.
COLIN BENJINGER, THAT WAS A COMPANY I JUST KNEW BY NAME.
BUT I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY RECALL IT UNTIL I LOOKED AT THEIR PROPOSAL AND THEN IT RANG SOME BELLS.
SO AFTER TALKING TO EACH OF THEM, I MEAN, IF I HAD TO PICK TODAY, YOU SAID PICK A COMPANY AND IT WAS MY.
THEY WERE MY NUMBER TWO, I THINK, ORIGINALLY IN MY RANKING, VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MGT, BUT I MEAN, THEY HAD VERY GOOD REFERENCES, SEVERAL I TALKED TO.
SOME REFERENCES JUST EMAILED US BACK, SOME I TALKED TO ON THE PHONE.
NEW SMYRNA BEACH GAVE THEM A GLOWING.
HEATHER KIDD, SHE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE THERE, ALTHOUGH IT'S ONLY BEEN 18 MONTHS.
THEY HAVE BEEN ECSTATIC THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH SGO.
AND I HAD THAT ECHOED FROM OTHER COMPANIES.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY MGT DIDN'T HAVE GOOD REFERENCES.
IN FACT, THEY HAD SOME EXCELLENT REFERENCES FROM PINELLAS COUNTY, ORANGE COUNTY, MIAMI-DADE, I BELIEVE.
I MEAN, ALL OF THEM PRETTY MUCH HAD GOOD REFERENCES.
WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AFTER WE MOVE SOMETHING, BUT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION EITHER TO DEFER THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING OR TO NAME A SELECTION.
AND IF IT GETS A SECOND, WE CAN DEBATE IT AND VOTE ON IT.
I MAKE A PROPOSAL TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2660.
OKAY, BUT THERE'S NO NAME IN IT, SO YOU HAVE TO PUT A NAME IN IT.
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AWARDING A CONTRACT TO CITY MANAGER, EXECUTIVE SEARCH CONSULTANT, AND AUTHORIZING CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND FEE AGREEMENT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROPOSAL AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT.
ALL RIGHT, BUT WHAT FIRM ARE YOU SELECTING? I'M SORRY.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION.
SO, BOB, YOU SAID THAT CPS WAS THE UNDERDOG CHOICE, BUT YOU WERE QUITE...
AN UNDERDOG CHOICE ONLY BECAUSE UP UNTIL A MONTH AGO, THEY HAD NO BUSINESS IN FLORIDA.
NOW THEY WOULD HAVE NORTH MIAMI, AND IF WE SELECTED THEM, WE WOULD BE THEIR SECOND CLIENT.
AGAIN, THEY HAVE MANY, MANY CLIENTS OVER THE UNITED STATES.
THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG PRESENCE NATIONALLY, 35, 40 YEARS OF CONTACTS, OVER 40,000 PEOPLE ON THEIR LINKEDIN PAGE THAT SUBSCRIBE TO THEIR EMAILS AND BLASTS.
DO THEY KNOW SPECIFICS ABOUT COASTAL? BEACH COMMUNITIES, STORMWATER.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO RELAY WHAT'S VERY,
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VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR SELECTION TO ABBY AKERS, OUR POINT OF CONTACT.AND THEN SHE WOULD WORK ON RECRUITING THEM.
I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY DOABLE.
WOULD SGR'S CONTACT, KEVIN KNUTSON, ALREADY KIND OF HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE? YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN THROUGH IT DONE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS.
ACTUALLY, I DID NOT HAVE SLAVIN IN THERE AT ALL.
SO THESE WERE THE OTHER THREE WERE MY TOP.
SO I COULD GO EITHER WAY WITH THEM.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GETTING INTO THE WEEDS WITH THEM, BREAKING IT DOWN AS YOUR EXPERT.
I PERSONALLY DO AGREE WITH THE SGR.
NOW THAT I'VE READ THE NEW SMYRNA RECOMMENDATION, OUR CITY IS VERY SIMILAR TO NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE JUST RECENTLY HIRED THAT CITY MANAGER.
I'M SORRY, WHEN? 18 MONTHS AGO.
SO THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR US TO SNAG THEM NOW.
COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE A NO BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF ALL THE COSTS UP FRONT.
FIND A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE BUT EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN ME THAT WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE LINE ITEMS TO SUBMIT IT GETS OUT IT'S A LITTLE PRICEY AND WE'VE BEEN ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COST AND I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS THAT THIS PERSON IS COMMITTED TO BEING HERE IN PERSON WHICH YOU KNOW I GUESS THE OTHERS ARE GOING TO TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BUT THIS THIS SPS IS MINUTES OF FOUR TO FIVE VISITS SO TO ME THAT'S JUST HOW I LIKE TO DO BUSINESS BUT I GET IT.
WHICH ONE WAS COMMITTED TO BEING HERE? THE LAST ONE YOU SPOKE ABOUT.
I'VE HEARD IT SAY A LOT OF DIFFERENT TIMES.
I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE HER BY CALLING HER THE UNDERDOG, BUT SHE'S EAGER AND AGGRESSIVE TO EARN OUR BUSINESS.
AND I THINK THEY WOULD GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHEN IT COMES TO IN-PERSON.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY KEVIN KNUDSEN WAS SGR AT A CLEARWATER.
AND THEIR PRICING WAS FAIRLY ALL-INCLUSIVE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AD PLACEMENTS.
I MEAN, THEY ALLOCATED $2,500 FOR ADS, PLACES LIKE ICMA.
PUBLICATIONS PERHAPS OKAY I HAVE A QUESTION IF WE DO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS OR ANY OTHER UM AND WE DIRECT THE CITY WELL WE ARE DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY DID IT SAY THAT IN THE RESOLUTION YES SO WE'RE DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THIS UM DO WE HAVE TO THEN VOTE AGAIN ON THE FINAL UH CONTRACT I THINK WE DO AS I READ WHAT YOU RESOLUTION ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE THE JEWISH MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL DO.
COMMISSIONERS, OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.
I THINK A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF OUR EX-CITY MANAGERS, GUESS WHAT, WORKS IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
AND I'VE TALKED TO HIM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING DOWN THERE, AND IT ECHOES WHAT...
AGAIN, I HAVE NO DOG IN HIS FIGHT, BUT WHEN I CALLED FOR NANDINA TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR, WHO THEY USED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I TALKED WITH DENISE MADSEN.
SHE'S A 30 PLUS YEAR HR VETERAN.
SHE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF HR IN NAPLES FOR 31 YEARS.
WHEN HER, AND I ASSUME HER FAMILY, WANTED TO MOVE OUT OF NAPLES, SHE LOOKED TO SGR AND SHE SIGNED UP WITH THEIR EMAIL LIST.
THAT'S HOW SHE SAID SHE GOT THE JOB IN FERNANDINA.
AND SHE'S BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS.
AND THEY'VE USED SGR ALSO, I THINK, OVER THE YEARS.
BUT WHEN SHE WAS IN NAPLES, SHE USED SGR FOR MANY, MANY RECRUITMENTS AND HAD GLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I DIDN'T EVEN CALL HER ABOUT SGR.
I CALLED HER ABOUT CALLING BENZIGER.
AND I ENDED UP GETTING AN SGR UNSOLICITED REFERENCE OKAY THANK YOU OKAY IF THERE'S UH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS UH DONNA COMMISSIONER KELLY AYE COMMISSIONER RING AYE MR BOW AYE COMMISSIONER GRANT NAY MAYOR FORD I KNOW I SHOULDN'T QUALIFY I I THANK YOU FOR THAT VOTE, COMMISSIONER,
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BUT I'M GOING TO VOTE AYE SINCE IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO PASS.AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS AS WE CONCLUDE.
GOOD CONVERSATION, AND YOU GUYS DID SOME HOMEWORK ON THAT.
I CONCUR WITH MUCH OF WHAT I HEARD.
I DO WISH WE HAD THE ONE-ON-ONE, BUT I VOTE AYE, AND SO THE MOTION PASSES.
I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO COMMISSIONER GRANT.
I'VE LOST 4-1 BEFORE, SO I FEEL IT.
I KNOW I'M OUT OF FORM THERE ON ROBERT'S RULES.
I SHOULDN'T BE OPINING AT THAT POINT.
BUT ANYWAYS, I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT.
YOU SLATED IN THAT WAS US SGR.
WHAT'S THE REASONABLENESS ON GETTING A CONTRACT APPROVED ON THAT? YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED.
WELL, I MEAN, NOW THAT WE'VE DONE IT, IF WE COULD BE WORKING ON IT THIS WEEK TO ACTUALLY GET IT IN THE AGENDA FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I THINK THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T GET THAT DONE FOR YOU.
NOW, AS YOU SAID, WE WON'T BE VOTING ON IT, BUT WE WOULD AT LEAST DELIVER.
[8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 26-67 ]
YOU'D BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE NEWS THAT IT'S DONE, IT'S BEEN SIGNED, OR AT LEAST FOR SOME BIZARRE REASON IT'S NOT.WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO WHERE AM I? THANK YOU.
ITEM 8B, A RESOLUTION OF THE, I'M SORRY, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-67, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING A TASK AUTHORIZATION WITH JONES, EDMONDS, AND ASSOCIATES, INC.
TO IMPLEMENT THE ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SOFTWARE PROGRAM, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
OUR STAFF IS EAGER TO IMPLEMENT A SOFTWARE PROGRAM CALLED CITYWORKS. IT'S AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS A TERM I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD THIS PROGRAMMED IN OUR BUDGET SINCE YOU APPROVED THE BUDGET LAST SEPTEMBER.
THIS IS A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT WILL BE INTEGRATED IN OUR OVERALL BS&A SOFTWARE MODERNIZATION EFFORT.
THIS PROGRAM EXPANDS OUR GIS OPERATIONS BY BRINGING YOU ASSET INFORMATION, MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, AND WORK ORDER MANAGEMENT INTO ONE PLATFORM.
THIS SOFTWARE SUPPORTS THE MANAGEMENT OF WATER DISTRIBUTION, WASTEWATER COLLECTION, STREETS, STORMWATER, CITY-OWNED FACILITIES, AND OUR PARK ASSETS.
THIS SOFTWARE REPLACES PAPER RECORD-KEEPING PROCESSES.
WHEN IMPLEMENTED, THIS WILL ALSO FUNCTION AS AN INTEGRATED WORK ORDER SYSTEM FOR BOTH PUBLIC UTILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S UNDER THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OF $150,000.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SPEND $135,100, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2667.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.
[8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 26-68 ]
HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.MOVING TO 8C, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-68, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 2026-27 PRIORITIES.
AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, ON APRIL 6TH IN THIS ROOM, LINDA LANIER ONCE AGAIN FACILITATED YOUR PRIORITY SETTING EXERCISE.
SHE HAPPENS TO BE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
SHE'S DELIBERATELY IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
THESE PRIORITIES THAT I PUT TOGETHER AND RAN BY Y'ALL ON MAY THE 15TH IS REALLY MY REPORT.
EFFORT OF YOUR EXERCISE ON THAT EVENING.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, WE DIVIDED THE PRIORITY AREAS INTO FIVE CATEGORIES, RESILIENCY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL LEADERSHIP, COMMUNITY SPACES AND PROGRAMMING, PUBLIC SAFETY AND MOBILITY, AND ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND PARTNERSHIPS.
IT'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2668, ESTABLISHING THE FISCAL YEAR 2016.
627 PRIORITIES, WHICH IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF US GETTING GOING ON THE BUDGET PROCESS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT BEFORE WE MAKE THAT MOTION, MR. BOLL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST BY SARAH BORG.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS.
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WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON THE AMENDMENTS.MAYBE I CAN QUANTIFY THAT A LITTLE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AGAIN, BEFORE I MAKE THIS MAYBE SOME DISCUSSION, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE BUDGET, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT OUR PRIORITIES IN HERE.
SOME OF THE PRIORITIES WE'VE HAD FOR AT LEAST SIX, SEVEN YEARS HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY THE SAME.
SOME OF THE ESC PRIORITIES AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
OKAY, SO GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION WITHOUT ANY CHANGES, AND WE'LL GO.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2668.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, I REALLY WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO CONSIDER ADDING THAT PRIORITY OR CLARIFICATION.
ARE WE ATTEMPTING IN THIS FISCAL YEAR? TO REWRITE 23.
EVERY INTENTION TO HAVE THAT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR ON THE OTHER INCORPORATED IN YOUR PRIORITIES, THAT'S GREAT AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
SO YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME LEFT THIS YEAR TO GET THAT DONE.
SO ARE WE INCLUDING CHAPTER 23 REVISIONS? NOBODY'S MADE THAT REQUEST.
FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN, AND IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND VOTE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CURRENT MOTION, ADDING IN CHAPTER 23 REVISIONS FROM ESC.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT A DATE ON THAT, THIS FISCAL YEAR.
WELL, IT'S GOING INTO OUR PRIORITIES.
IT'S INTO THE PRIORITIES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SECOND, WELL, IS SHE HAVE TO READ THIS? YOU HAVE TO RESTATE.
DO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCEPTANCE BY THE MOVER OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT, EXCEPT THE ORIGINAL.
OK, SO SINCE IT'S A AN AMENDMENT, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT FIRST AND MOVE BACK TO THE ACTUAL MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ADDING IN THE PRIORITY FOR 20 CHAPTER 23 REWRITE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR PRIORITIES SIGNIFIED WITH I.
NOW WE'LL VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED.
BUT BEFORE WE DO, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
MS. BOREN, YOU HAVE YOUR REQUEST.
LINDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANKS FOR COMING TO SEE IT THROUGH TO THE FINAL, THE END, BUT THIS IS THE FOURTH YEAR IN A ROW FOR ME, I THINK, WITH YOU, AND YOU'VE DONE THIS HOW MANY YEARS? NINE YEARS NOW, AND WE JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE GUIDANCE.
BECOME A PRO YOU WERE PROBABLY
[8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 26-70 ]
A PRO IN THE BEGINNING BUT YOU'RE DEFINITELY A PRO NOW THANK YOU UH LET'S SEE WE'RE MOVING TO UH OKAY HERE WE GO ITEM 8D RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-70 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FLORIDA TO APPROVE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE FOR THE 2526-05 MARY STREET DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THANK YOU.THE CONTRACT AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CHANGE ORDER, WHICH KEEPS US WELL WITHIN BUDGET STILL BECAUSE WHILE WORK IS UNDERWAY ON MARY STREET TO IMPROVE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THERE, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FAILING CULVERTS AND CONCRETE DRIVEWAY REPAIRS MUCH MORE THAN ANTICIPATED.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2670.
AND THIS IS AN EXPENDITURE OF $75,434.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-70.
DISCUSSION? HOW LONG IS THAT STREET? IT'S VERY SHORT, JUST A COUPLE OF TIMES.
AND I DID NOTICE THAT THERE WERE SOME CULVERT CHANGES, TOO.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WIDENING IT.
IS THIS ONE OF THE STREETS THAT FLOOD OFTEN? THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING THERE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY FOR YEARS.
AND WE FINALLY GOT IT PROGRAMMED.
THERE'S GRAND MONEY THAT'S HELPING PAY FOR THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
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AND YES, THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.TO THAT AREA OF ELM LAKE BEACH.
SO JUST ONE OTHER THING, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING SO LONG, BUT IT SAID THE STARTING BUDGET WAS $415,000.
BUT THE WINNING BID WAS $267,000, WHICH LEFT $147,000.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ADDING IN THE CULVERT CHANGE.
IS THERE ROOM FOR ANY OTHER UPGRADES ON THE STREET? LIKE COULD THEY GET SIDEWALKS? IF YOU WANT TO ADVANCE THAT CAUSE, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON IT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO PAY FOR SIDEWALKS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE FOR US TO FOLLOW UP ON THE POTENTIAL OF SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THERE OR SIDEWALKS THERE, ACTUALLY, WE'RE HAPPY TO.
[8.E. RESOLUTION NO. 26-71]
BUT I HEAR YOU OTHERWISE.YOU'RE MAKING THE REQUEST, SO WE'LL GET THAT IN THE QUEUE TO REVIEW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE TO INCORPORATE.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
DID WE ALREADY DO THAT? DID I DO THAT TWICE? OKAY.
MOVING TO 8E, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-71, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AWARDING A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT FOR FARMERS MARKET OPERATOR SERVICES TO DIG LOCAL NETWORK, INC., A 501C3 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET.
RESOLUTION 2671 WOULD AWARD A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT TO DIG LOCAL NETWORK.
THAT'S A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION BASED AT THE BEACH.
ITS MISSION IS TO PROMOTE LOCALLY PRODUCED FOOD AND ARTISAN GOODS, SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY, EXPAND MARKET OPPORTUNITIES FOR FARMERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES, AND PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH ACCESS TO A DIVERSE SELECTION OF LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY SOURCED PRODUCTS.
THIS, I'VE ASKED YOU TO INDULGE ME BY READING A WHITE PAPER I PUT TOGETHER ON THE VALUE OF FARMERS MARKETS TO COMMUNITIES.
I HOPE YOU'LL CONTEMPLATE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE, WE DID NEGOTIATE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT DIG LOCAL FOR THE $35 PER VENDOR FEE, $5 OF THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO HELP OFFSET.
PUBLIC COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING THE MARKET.
AND THINKS THAT THAT REVENUE WILL MORE OR LESS BE AWASH WITH WHAT THE DIRECT PUBLIC COSTS ARE TO OUR MANAGEMENT OF A MARKET AND OUR UPKEEP OF THE PARK AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EXPENSES.
OF COURSE, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD AN AGREEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ISSUED A PERMIT TO A FARMER'S MARKET OPERATOR FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
THIS IS A WORKING OPERATING AGREEMENT DOING IT LEGITIMATELY NOW AS FAR AS THE...
PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE NONPROFIT AND THE CITY, AND WE ENTHUSIASTICALLY RECOMMEND LIVING FULL WITH THIS AGREEMENT.
SO THIS IS STILL ON SUNDAYS AND STILL IN JACK RUSSELL? IT IS.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON THIS, WHEN WE SPOKE EARLIER TODAY, I THINK WE WERE ACTUALLY A FEW THOUSAND SHORT OF COVERING OUR COSTS.
THE REVENUE THAT THIS WOULD BRING IN WOULD BE SOMETHING UP TO $13,000 A YEAR, THAT'S $5 TIMES UP TO 50 VENDORS.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VENDORS THAT HAVE THAT.
THAT ADDS UP TO $13,000 PER YEAR.
OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS MARKET, AS FAR AS DIRECT PUBLIC COSTS, WOULD BE $15,000 OR $16,000 A YEAR.
AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE DILIGENCE ON THAT.
BEFORE WE MOVE AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, I JUST WANT TO SET THE STAGE IN MY DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN GO BACK AND ASK FOR A DETAILED BREAKDOWN FROM MR. HOGENKAMP.
BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING.
IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE OBVIOUS THINGS, PUBLIC SAFETY AND REPLACING GRASS AND SO ON.
BUT THE CARS PARKING OFF THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT ON PLAZA AND BREAKING THE ASPHALT REQUIRES.
FIXING LATER AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE TREE ROOTS THAT ARE BEING PARKED ON AND SO ON.
AND I'M ACTUALLY HOPING THAT WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.
I THINK THE FIRM DIG LOCAL NETWORK IS AN EXCELLENT FIRM THAT WILL DO A GREAT JOB.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO MOVE ON IT WITH A MODIFICATION IN THE FEE BY $5 PER VENDOR.
AS WE KNOW FROM THE PAST, WE GOT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE WHEN WE ALLOWED...
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ACTUALLY, OVER 70 VENDORS AT ONE POINT.SO GOOD NEWS IS MR. HOGENKAMP HAS DISCUSSED AND NEGOTIATED THIS TO NOT EXCEED 50 VENDORS.
BUT IT COULD BE LESS, AND IF IT WAS LESS, THEN THAT $5 PER VENDOR DROPS OUR NUMBER DOWN.
SO WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE'LL APPROVE THIS WITH A $5 AD AND NOT HAVE TO REVISIT IT FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO EVERY YEAR SAY, ARE WE REALLY COVERING OUR COSTS BECAUSE INFLATION KEEPS CHOMPING AT OUR HEELS.
THAT DOES INCLUDE WHAT CHIEF GUADALUPE IDENTIFIED AS DIRECT PUBLIC COSTS.
IT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE'VE HAD TO THIS FARMER'S MARKET IN THE PAST YEAR.
AND MY SECOND QUESTION, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE FOOD VENDORS.
I THINK THAT'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS.
HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM AT ALL? WE HAVE.
I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO LIKE THE CHOICE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT THESE FOLKS DO, RIGHT, AND DO WELL.
IF THE COMMISSION DESIRES, SOMEONE FROM THE LOCAL KIRIMARO IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND COULD OFFER PERSPECTIVE IF YOU ALL DESIRE.
COMMISSIONER? SO WHERE DOES THE REST OF THE WHERE ON THE CITY BUDGET DOES THE EXCESS COST FALL? IN VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE GENERAL FUND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BUDGET AND THE POLICE BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THIS REVENUE WOULD ACTUALLY JUST GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR THE FARMERS MARKET SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE INSTEAD.
WE HAVE THIS ESTIMATE AND AS WE GET GOOD AT MANAGING THE MANAGER OF THE FARMERS MARKET, I THINK WE'LL A YEAR FROM NOW BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS THIS IS JUST ABOUT PRECISELY WHAT IT COSTS VERSUS THIS WILD ESTIMATE.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO CALL KIRA MORROW.
KIRA, COULD YOU JOIN US? KIRA IS THE I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE OWNER, BUT THE MANAGING THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR PRESENTING SO WELL ON YOUR PROPOSAL.
SO FIRST QUESTION IS THE QUESTION THAT YOU HEARD EARLIER.
DO YOU HAVE A KEEN SENSE ON...
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE WERE INCORRECT BEFORE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE ALIGNED WITH A FARMER'S MARKET.
AND THAT IS ALREADY A PRIORITY FOR DIG LOCAL.
WE'VE RUN ANOTHER FARMER'S MARKET, THE BEACHES GREEN MARKET, HERE AT THE BEACH SINCE 2008.
AND WE HAVE ALWAYS PRIORITIZED BOTH FARMERS AS WE SPECIFICALLY ARE HERE.
THE MISSION OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS TO PROMOTE ACCESS TO FRESH AND HEALTHY FOOD AND SUPPORT LOCAL AGRICULTURE.
SO REALLY THE POINT OF OUR MARKETS IS TO BRING IN FARMERS, GROWERS, PLANT SELLERS, SEED SELLERS, AND PEOPLE WHO MAKE FOOD AND VALUE-ADDED FOOD PRODUCTS.
SO THOSE GROUPS AND VENDORS DO ALREADY HAVE PRIORITY AND APPLICATIONS TO OUR MARKET.
RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS $35 PER VENDOR.
IF WE MOVE THAT TO $40, IS THAT A DEAL KILLER? IT ISN'T.
I WILL SAY THAT CURRENTLY ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT MARKET OPERATOR THAT THE VENDORS HAVE IS THAT THEY HAVE CONSISTENTLY RAISED THE COST OF THE VENDOR FEE.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT $40, HAVING STARTED AT $25 AND OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS RAISED IT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.
SO US COMING FORWARD AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DROP THE VENDOR FEE TO $35 AND GIVE THAT TO THE CITY.
WITH SOMETHING THAT ALL THE VENDORS ARE ALREADY LOOKING FORWARD WITH.
AND I GET YOU, BUT I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO ADVISE THIS COMMISSION.
WE SHOULD NOT BE SUBSIDIZING THIS IF WE CAN AVOID IT.
NOW, IF WE CAN'T RUN IT, I'M SO IN TUNE WITH DOING THE FARMER'S MARKET.
IF WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT, THEN WE DO.
BUT THE PLEDGE I WOULD HAVE IS I WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE THAT WE NOT RAISE IT UNLESS UNDER EXTREME DURESS IN THE FUTURE YEARS, AT LEAST FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO REEVALUATE IT AT ANY POINT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE COST TO THE CITY OUTSTRIPS THAT FIVE PER VENDOR.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID DOING.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK.
I WANT TO GO FOR FIVE YEARS AND JUST CALL IT A DAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY FOR YOU GUYS COMING IN AND TAKING OVER THIS FARMER'S MARKET.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, THOUGH, IS...
IT DOES SEEM THE PARKING IS STILL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR BIG DECIDING FACTORS AS DETERMINING WHO WAS
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COMING IN IS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A PARKING SOLUTION THAT THEY WOULD MINIMUM TAKE VENDORS OFF SITE.AND OUR CURRENT PARKING PLAN, WE DID COME OUT HERE DURING THE MARKET ITSELF AND MAP WHERE ALL THE PARKING WAS HAPPENING, IS TO HAVE ALL THE VENDORS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FEW THAT ARE.
THAT HAVE, SAY, REFRIGERATED CONTAINERS, THE THREE WHO ARE PARKED CURRENTLY NEXT TO THE SKATE PARK, IS TO HAVE ALL OF THE VENDORS PARK ON PLAZA WEST OF THE BALL FIELD.
SO THEY ARE NOT TAKING UP ANY SPACE IN THE MAIN LOT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT FOUR OR FIVE VENDORS WHO HAVE THE REFRIGERATED VEHICLES THAT THEY NEED TO ACCESS DURING THE MARKET, AND THEN THE REMAINDER PARK SOUTH OF THE SKATE PARK IN THAT SMALL LOT AND THEN NEAR THE TENNIS COURTS.
AND WE WILL BE SUBMITTING A PARKING MAP TO KEVIN ONCE THAT'S FINALIZED AND AGREED ON WITH THE CITY.
THAT SOUNDS FAIR, AT LEAST TO START, TO SEE IF IT WORKS.
THE OTHER THING I HAD WAS, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE FOOD THING, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUALITY VENDORS UP THERE THAT ARE NON-FOOD.
AND SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THEIR LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CODIFY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WHO'S JUST OUT THERE JUST.
KEEPING THEIR KIDS BUSY, SELLING HANDMADE STUFF, OR SOMEONE WHO'S REALLY PROVIDING QUALITY PRODUCT THAT THERE'S HIGH DEMAND FOR, THAT KIND OF THING.
YES, AND OUR RULES FOR OUR CURRENT MARKET, WHICH WE WOULD ALSO BE TRANSFERRING TO THIS MARKET, ARE THAT ANYTHING SOLD AT THE MARKET HAS TO BE MADE, DONE, OR GROWN HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
THAT MEANS NO IMPORTED FACTORY GOODS, NO DROP-SHIPPED GOODS, NO THINGS THAT WERE BOUGHT OFF TIMU.
AT THIS TIME, I EXPECT THAT'S ONLY GOING TO AFFECT TWO OR THREE VENDORS WHO ALREADY DO NOT INTEND TO STAY AT THE MARKET.
WHAT COULD WE DO TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE'S FOOD PRODUCTS TO COME? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRICE, BUT WHAT COULD WE DO AS A CITY TO INCENTIVIZE THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I WILL SAY CURRENTLY ALL OF OUR FARMERS ARE LOCATED IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
THE FURTHEST COMES FROM RAYFORD, WHICH IS ABOUT EQUIDISTANT HERE TO GAINESVILLE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF AGRICULTURAL LAND IN DUVAL COUNTY, MOST OF OUR CURRENT FARMERS, PLANT SELLERS AND PRODUCERS ARE SMALL HOMESTEAD, BACKYARD GARDEN, MARKET GARDEN KIND OF OPERATIONS.
SO WE SPECIFICALLY RECRUIT THEM.
WE GO TO THE FARMERS HOMESTEAD CONVENTION TWICE A YEAR.
WE REACH OUT TO GROUPS ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR LOCAL MARKET GARDENERS AND HOMESTEADERS TO RECRUIT THEM SPECIFICALLY TO OUR MARKET.
IF THE CITY IS WILLING TO ALSO DO SOME THAT KIND OF OUTREACH WITH US, MAYBE PROVIDING BROCHURES TO FOLKS IN TOWN.
A LOT OF OUR SMALL MARKET GARDENERS AND SAY MICRO GREENS ARE FROM HERE AT THE BEACH OR JUST ACROSS THE INTERCOASTAL.
SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTREACH TO THOSE KINDS OF SMALL GROWERS.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2671.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.
SO IS NO ONE WILLING TO MOVE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT TO MAKE IT $40 PER VENDOR? IT'S NOT FIRST OF ALL, I ALSO HEARD HERE SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME VENDORS THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE ANYONE, BUT VENDORS SELLING TRINKETS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, BOUGHT FROM TEMU OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE $40 WOULD ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE YOU'RE EITHER IN IT TO WIN IT OR YOU'RE NOT.
$40 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY TODAY FOR A STAND ON THAT DAY EACH WEEK WITH NO ADDITIONAL OVERHEAD, NO ELECTRIC COSTS, NO BATHROOM COSTS, NO WATER COSTS, NO LEASE COSTS.
I AGREE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL HER WHAT TO CHARGE HER.
WOULD YOU LIKE A COMPARISON VERSUS US AND OTHER MARKETS IN TOWN? THAT $40 IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST VENDOR FEE PAID IN TOWN BY ANY MARKET OTHER THAN RAM, WHICH IS EXPONENTIALLY LARGER.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON, BUT I QUOTE, MAKE A COST.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGREEMENT, YOU GUYS DECIDE TO PUT SOME SORT OF END OF YEAR RECONCILIATION.
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SAYS, OKAY, WE COLLECTED FIVE BUCKS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE'RE A LITTLE SHY AND WE CAN ADJUST IT TO THE NEXT YEAR.LET'S HAVE IT DONE ONCE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE THAT KIND OF OPTIC ON HER ORGANIZATION BEING, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE HIGHEST PRICED ENTRY FEE.
YES, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRANT.
LET'S DO THE ASSESSMENT AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND LOOK AT THE COSTS.
AND SAY, HEY, WHERE ARE WE AT HERE? BUT I THINK AT $35 AND BEING ABLE TO GO TO OTHER VENDORS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CHARGED LAST YEAR.
BUT ACTUALLY, LAST YEAR WE CHARGED $40.
SO SHE'S ACTUALLY GIVEN A BREAK, WHICH IS GOOD.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BE SUBSIDIZING IT.
AND I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE MOVEMENT I HEAR TONIGHT.
I JUST THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE COST THAN THE OBVIOUS ONES.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.
I THINK THE FARMER'S MARKET IS SOMETHING THE CITY ALSO DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SAY THAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WE'RE SUBSIDIZING IT TO A VERY LITTLE EXTENT.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND.
SO ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
WHEN DOES SHE START? FIRST SATURDAY OF JULY.
OK, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
SORRY, BUT WE NEED RESTROOM TIME.
OK, I'LL RECONVENE OUR MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
[8.F. RESOLUTION NO. 26-72]
OH, WHAT HAPPENED? OH, THERE HE IS.WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 8F, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-72, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING WATER SERVICE REPLACEMENTS FOR THE 1800 BLOCK OF SEMINOLE ROAD, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. HOGAN, CAN YOU? THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-72, AUTHORIZES THE FUNDS.
UH FOR US TO REPLACE THE WATER SERVICE LINES ON SEMINOLE ROAD UH INFORMATION IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET SAYS THAT THIS INVOLVES 14 RESIDENCES.
THIS IS PART OF US STEADILY UPGRADING OUR SYSTEM.
THESE ARE ONE-INCH POLY WATER SERVICE LINES THAT UTILIZE DIRECTIONAL BORING BENEATH SEMINOLE ROAD, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CARRYING OUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
BUDGETED IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU APPROVED LAST SEPTEMBER.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2672.
SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER GRANT.
[10.A. PLAT25-0002 Request for a plat approval as required by Chapter 24, Article 4 of the Code of Ordinances within the residential general, multi-family (RG-M) at re # 169700-0010 for 0 Seminole Road. ]
HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.AND NOW TO THE THING THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING FOR.
THIS IS THE, OH, LET ME GET THE RIGHT ONE HERE.
THIS IS THE PLAT 25-0002 REQUEST FOR A PLAT APPROVAL AS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE 4 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL MULTIFAMILY AT RE NUMBER 169700-0010 FOR ZERO SEMINOLE ROAD.
AND WE'LL, MS. ASKEW, CAN YOU JOIN US, PLEASE? HI, GOOD EVENING.
AMANDA ASKEW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLATTE 25-0002.
IT'S FOR THE PROPERTY ADDRESSED AS 0 SEMINOLE ROAD, RE NUMBER 169700-0010.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN BETWEEN BEACH AVENUE AND SEMINOLE ROAD, JUST EAST OF 19TH STREET.
IT IS HEAVILY WOODED AND CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
IT IS OWNED CURRENTLY BY TWO SISTERS, AND THEY HAVE THIS REQUEST IN BEFORE US.
THIS HAS GONE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR REVIEW FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
NOW WE ARE AT THE FINAL PLAT STAGE.
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WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL GENERAL MULTIFAMILY.IT DOES FOLLOW THE RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY DESIGNATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
IT IS PREVIOUSLY PLATTED AS TWO LOTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A CONFIGURATION OF THOSE, LOTS OF RECORD.
AT THAT TIME, IT'S A REALLY OLD PLAT.
IT IS 50 FEET BY 354 FEET, SO IT WENT BETWEEN BEACH AND SEMINAL.
THE EXISTING LOTS SURVEYED QUITE LARGE NOW.
IT'S 100 FEET BY 359 FEET, GIVE OR TAKE SOME.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PLATTING PROCESS, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
EACH LOT IS A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET WIDE AND A MINIMUM OF 160 FEET DEEP WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 08,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE UPDATE AND 2024, WHICH WAS CHAPTER 24 UPDATE THIS ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRED A MINIMUM LOT SIZE LOT SIZE OF 7500 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT WAS FOR A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT THAT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DESIGNATION FOR DENSITY.
AND PREVENTED IT TO BE DEVELOPED TO ITS HIGHEST ABILITY, ACCORDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WE DID COVER THIS DURING MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS IN CHAPTER 24, BUT THIS WENT ON, AS YOU RECALL, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION WITH CHAPTER 24 UPDATE DID EVENTUALLY GO TOWARDS STORMWATER.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS, AGAIN, VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON BECAUSE THE FOCUS WAS ON STORMWATER.
UNDER THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED EITHER AS A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING CONTAINING UP TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS OR SUBDIVIDED TO CREATE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE CURRENT CODE, THE WAY IT IS NOW, MAINTAINS THE SAME OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY BUT ALLOWS FOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN LOT CONFIGURATION TO ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE APPROACH IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOT JUST LOCATED IN THIS AREA, BUT THE RGM IS ALSO IN WEST OF MAYPORT ROAD, ALLOWS SMALLER LOT SIZES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH NEARBY PROPERTIES.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS A SEVEN UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT WITH FIVE UNITS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
THE UPDATED CODE REGULATIONS PROMOTED CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT WILL REMIND.
REMAINING COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS A MAXIMUM OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE, BUT BASED ON THIS LOT SIZE THEY COULD ONLY GO UP TO FOUR.
HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE AREA SHOWN IN YELLOW, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF SEMINOLE, IS RESIDENTIAL LOW.
THIS IS THAT ORIGINAL PLOT I SPOKE OF EARLIER.
THE ORIENTATION IS NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE TWO LOTS.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL BY THERE, BUT THEY WERE A 50-FOOT WIDE LOT BY OVER 300 FEET IN DEPTH.
SO THAT IS CONSIDERED A LOT OF RECORD.
LEGALLY TODAY, THOSE LOT OF RECORDS COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON EACH LOT.
WHILE YOU'RE GOING, I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT.
A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON EACH LOT OR A MULTIFAMILY SINGLE BUILDING ON THE DOUBLE LOT? I'M GOING THERE.
THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT I CREATED HERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK OVER IN THE TOP LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS UNDER THE CURRENT AND THE PREVIOUS CODE.
SO IN 2000, PRIOR TO 2024, YOU COULD DEVELOP THAT AS ONE PARCEL WITH FOUR UNITS ON THERE.
FOUR UNITS COULD THEN BE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY AS TOWNHOMES.
IF YOU GO TO THE GRAPHICS BELOW THAT WHERE IT SAYS TWO LOTS WITH TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON EACH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALLOWED UNDER PREVIOUS CODE, THE 2024 CODE UPDATE.
THOSE WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
THE LAST ONE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS ALSO A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE WITH MULTIPLE UNITS IS THEY COULD HAVE MAINTAINED UP TO FOUR UNITS.
THE GRAPHICS OVER THERE WITH THE RED SHADED AREA IS AGAIN WHAT THEY COULD DO TODAY AS WELL.
THEY COULD DEVELOP THOSE AS LONG NARROW LOTS WITH A HOME ON EACH OR YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT
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ONE HOME ON THAT ENTIRE PARCEL.THE PROPOSAL TODAY IS THE AREA IN BLUE.
WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON EACH LOT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING REGARDING STORM WATERS AND TREES TONIGHT.
WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THEY DO MEET THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLAT.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT IS COMPLIANT WITH CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE 4 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SO WE HEARD IN COURTESY OF THE FORCE AND PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
PROPERTY-SIZED, IF YOU WERE TO OVERLAY THEIR PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT A FIVE-UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
SO SEVEN HOMES WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY JUST FOUR.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THAT'S MORE THAN FIVE UNITS.
HOW MANY IS IT? I'M SAYING I KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SEVEN DIFFERENT UNITS.
AND THE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY ON BEACH AVENUE.
HOW MANY UNITS? THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
YOU'VE GOT ACTUALLY SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, SORRY.
SO YOU'VE GOT NINE PROPERTIES JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS.
IF YOU OVERLAID THEIR PROPERTY ONTO THAT PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, AND YOU'VE GOT A CLUSTER OF NINE HOMES, AND THEY'RE TALKING FOUR.
SO THIS ARGUING ABOUT NOT FITTING THE CHARACTER OF A COMMUNITY, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO RESONATE.
SO LOOKING AT THE LEFT SIDE, THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THIS WAS ALL BEFORE THE 2024 AMENDMENT CHANGE.
AND THE 2024 AMENDMENT CHANGE THEN MADE IT FROM A 75-FOOT REQUIRED WIDTH LENGTH TO A 40-FOOT.
IF THEY SO WANTED TO, THE CONFIGURATION SHOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE COULD BE DEVELOPED TODAY IN ANY ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
BUT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THE FOUR LOTS.
MY MY QUESTION IS ALSO THERE'S ONE PICTURE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM MAYOR GLASSER, 2016 BEACH AVENUE, THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED THERE ON BEACH AVENUE IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH THIS.
WHERE ARE THEY CONNECTED? 2016.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOT ALL THE, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE, THIS WHOLE TOPOGRAPHY IS A DUNE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE ALL TALKING DUNE.
IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION, YOU GOT SAND, A LOT OF EROSION.
BUT I DID DRIVE BY THERE, SORRY, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, AND I SAW ALL THAT, THE PICTURE.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS DISCONCERTING FOR SURE.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON, IS EVERYTHING COPACETIC OVER THERE? WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SO, YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHEN IT COMES IN.
STAFF IS CONCERNED THERE IS THIS AREA OF THE CITY DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE FOR THE BEACHES HERE.
WHERE YOU SEE THE ZERO ON THE LOT IS KIND OF A BOWL IN THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TWO DUNE LINES.
THERE IS ON SITE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE FOR ANY OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL STORMWATER TO GO ONTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AS WE'VE SEEN AND TALKED ABOUT, TREES WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
THEY WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING TREE CODE AND MITIGATION, HOPEFULLY ON-SITE AND OR PAYMENT INTO THE FUND.
BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO DEVELOP THEM DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY.
SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN PICTURES OF AND WHAT PEOPLE TESTIFY TO IS ALL THAT IF THIS IF THIS IS PERFECTLY FLAT, THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE OR AT LEAST LEGAL SEPARATION.
BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH TOPOGRAPHY THAT IS NOT SUITABLE TO WHAT THEY WANT TO PRODUCE.
SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL PROBABLY CAUTION YOU.
TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE.
THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COME IN WHEN YOU START TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
AND WE DO HAVE OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS THAT...
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REGARDING STORMWATER AND TREES AND BUILDING CODE.SO, COMMISSIONER KELLY DOES BRING UP A GOOD POINT, THOUGH, BECAUSE IF IT WERE FLAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NO-BRAINER.
AND IT STILL MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT DOES MEET ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS PER THE CDB'S ANALYSIS.
AND WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SMART PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN WE DO.
I WOULD THINK IF THEY'RE SITTING IN A BOWL, THEY DON'T NEED TO BUILD A BOWL IN THE FRONT YARD LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
IT JUST COLLECTS IN THEIR YARD.
BUT I GUESS WE DO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
HOW DOES THE SLOPE, INSTEAD OF JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, ARE WE LOOKING AT, DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, OR HOW MUCH DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, A PROPERTY LIKE THIS THAT HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE FROM THE...
THE DUNES, IF YOU WILL, AND THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SEVERE ELEVATION CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE LOW POINT AND HIGH POINT OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON THAT MORE? DEFINITELY.
SO EACH PROPERTY WE REVIEW FOR STORMWATER IS UNIQUE.
MOST OF THEM CHOOSE TO PUT STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS IN THEIR FRONT YARD, LEAVING THE BACKYARD FOR A POOL AND RECREATION PURPOSES.
MY GUESS ON THIS IS THEY'LL WANT TO ENGINEER IT WHERE THE WATER FLOWS NATURALLY, SO THEY'LL TO ENGINEER IT SO THAT THE WATER GOES TO THE LOWEST POINT AND TO HOLD IT ON SITE.
THERE IS ABILITY IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE YOU GUTTER IT AND YOU GUTTER MAYBE A PORTION OF THE HOUSE TO THE FRONT AND THEN A PORTION TO THE REAR.
BUT GIVEN THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY, YOU WOULD PROBABLY PUT THE STORMWATER IN THE REAR YARD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT GRAVITY.
SO, YES, COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.
AMANDA, HOW LONG HAS THIS PROPERTY BEEN NOT DEVELOPED? I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS.
I WOULD SAY IT'S OVER 100 YEARS BASED ON THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE TREES HERE.
SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, REALLY, THAT THIS PLAT IS IN.
SO HERE'S A CHANCE FOR US TO KIND OF TAKE A STAND AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE SEEN PICTURES.
I'VE RIDDEN MY BIKE BY THERE WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER.
IN MY MIND, WE'RE DEBATING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY? THAT'S WHAT I, YOU KNOW, AND I LOOK AT THE FOUR AND YOU CAN THINK, YOU KNOW, PICTURE IN YOUR MIND, THINK OF THE FOUR SIGNIFICANT HOUSES THAT YOU COULD BUILD THERE, RIGHT? THE SIZE, TAKE A RIDE DOWN BEACH, OCEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? WITHIN THOSE FLATS, WITHIN THOSE FOUR FLATS, RIGHT? SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I KNOW THE AREA AND I'M KIND OF SAD THAT IT'S GOING TO TWO HOUSES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TELLING YOU HOW I FEEL.
SO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE VACANT AERIAL PHOTO.
SO THE BEACH COTTAGE LANE WAS DEVELOPED.
OK, YOU WEREN'T THE THE PLANNER OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHIEF BACK THEN.
BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS TOPOGRAPHY IN THE BOWL AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOUR POINT THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT PERTINENT PER SE TO THIS THIS REPLANTING REQUEST.
BUT BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH LOOKING AT.
AND I HEAR THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE CONCERN.
THAT PROPERTY, BEACH COTTAGE LANE.
HAD A BIG BOWL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
IT WAS PART OF THE SAME BOWL THAT RAN RIGHT DOWN THE GULLET FROM THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND TO THE NORTH.
OK, DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE NOW YOU YOU CAN'T BRING IN FILL TO RAISE THE ELEVATION.
THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN ACTUALLY ALTER THE GRADE IS FOR TWO REASONS.
IF DEP SAYS YOU HAVE TO ON COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LOTS ON THE OCEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO RAISE IT.
OR THE SECOND REASON IS FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO GET POSITIVE DRAINAGE, THEN WE DO ALLOW YOU TO SOMEWHAT.
I'M KIND OF WONDERING, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE WE SLOPED FROM EAST TO WEST DOWN TO THE LOW POINT ON SEMINOLE ROAD.
WELL, THE LOW POINT BEING THE BOWL, BUT THEN LOWER ON SEMINOLE VERSUS BEACH.
I'M WONDERING WHEN BEACH COTTAGE LANE, IF THEY ACTUALLY USE SOME OF THE SAND.
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THE BOWL BECAUSE THERE'S NO BOWL THERE TODAY.ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THERE'S THE HOMES AND A POOL.
SO I HEAR THE CITIZENS, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME ON THIS ONE BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THIS IS THE LAST UNDEVELOPED PIECE, AND EVERYBODY ELSE GOT TO DO THEIR THING, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CURRENT OWNER PAY THE PRICE, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING IN DENSITY.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN FOUR UNITS.
HOW MANY, GO BACK TO THE ACREAGE PER LOT.
IF YOU SUBDIVIDE THIS INTO THE FOUR, WHAT'S OUR, NOT ACREAGE, BUT OUR TOTAL SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
SO 8,000 SQUARE FEET, 8,000, THAT BEATS ANYTHING WE REQUIRE IN THE CITY.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO? I DON'T SEE IT.
SO THIS REALLY ISN'T A DENSITY ISSUE.
I'M GOING TO SUBMIT THAT I THINK WHAT PART OF THE ISSUE IS.
FIRST OF ALL, NO DISRESPECT TO THOSE WHO LIVE ADJACENT AND ARE CONCERNED, BUT YOU GOT YOURS AND YOU'RE ROLLING UP THE CARPET FOR THE NEXT GUY COMING IN, BUT YOU HAVE SOME VALID CONCERNS.
BUT THE DENSITY IS NOT THE ISSUE.
THE LOSS OF THE TREES ARE AN ISSUE.
AND BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY IT RIGHT HERE NOW BECAUSE I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE CITY IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO ON THE TREES.
CITY COMMISSION BEFORE ME AND NOW CURRENTLY CONTINUES TO DO MORE AND MORE TO PROTECT OUR TREES.
WE'RE GOING TO WRITE SOME SIGNIFICANT REWRITES OF OUR TREE ORDINANCE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO REWRITE ON TOP OF AN EXISTING REQUEST, IT CONCERNS ME THAT SOMEBODY SPENDS A GREAT DEAL OF TIME, EFFORT, AND HAS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, AND WE'RE GOING TO RE-LEGISLATE AS WE GO TO SAY NO BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE WOULD RATHER HAVE THE TREES.
I THINK MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO BUY THIS AS A PARK, BUT NOT TAKE THE LAND.
NOW, THERE IS A SOLUTION OTHER THAN APPROVAL ON THIS.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SAYS WHAT THEY CAN DO TODAY, PLEASE.
SO TODAY THEY STILL COULD PUT, HERE'S WHERE IT'S GOING.
THEY COULD PUT FOUR UNITS ON, BUT IT'D BE TWO DUPLEXES OR TWO TOWNHOUSES ATTACHED, CORRECT? ALL THE SCENARIOS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN ARE WHAT THEY COULD DO.
WHY THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER, DO WE? OH, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK? OKAY.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP IN A MINUTE.
BUT THERE'S A HIGHER VALUE TO PUTTING IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES THAN TO PUTTING IN THE ATTACHED HOUSING.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF WE LEFT IT AS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED OR IF WE DID NOT REPLAT IT AND THEY USED THE CURRENT ZONING, THEY COULD DO FOUR UNITS.
AND THOSE UNITS WOULD, IN FACT, BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINES.
IF YOU BUILT MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE TOWNHOME SCENARIO, THOSE SETBACKS WOULD BE 15 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES.
IF YOU DEVELOP IT AS SINGLE FAMILY, YOUR SETBACKS ARE.
20 IN THE FRONT, 20 IN THE REAR, AND A COMBINED 15 FOR YOUR SIDE YARDS.
I HEAR THE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE, BUT THAT'S UP TO ENGINEERING AND SO ON.
AND IT'S BEEN DONE ON THE OTHER LOT.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THAT ARGUMENT THAT THEY CAN'T CORRECT THE DRAINAGE.
WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY IS IF WE GO WITH THIS, IF WE GO WITH THE WILL OF THIS GROUP TONIGHT AND DO NOT APPROVE THIS, IT STILL DOESN'T PROTECT THE TREES UNLESS WE REWRITE OUR TREE CODE.
AND, MR. ATTORNEY, I KNOW YOU'RE PUT ON THE SPOT BECAUSE YOU AREN'T.
THE REGULAR ATTENDING ATTORNEY.
HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN YOU START RE-LEGISLATING YOUR CODE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REQUEST FOR USE OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS CASE IN THE REPLATTING? WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT MS. ASKEW SAID.
THIS IS NOT REALLY A REQUEST OF ANY SORT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE PROPERTY.
ALL THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A QUESTION ABOUT SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY BY REPLATTING IT INTO FOUR LOTS.
BUT TO ANSWER THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
IF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TAKES ACTION WHICH IMPAIRS AN EXISTING USE OF THE PROPERTY, IT MAY FIND ITSELF SUBJECT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, A BURT J.
HARRIS CLAIM, WHICH SAYS, WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THE EXISTING USES WERE X AND THEY HAD A VALUE OF Y. YOU'VE NOW MADE A MATERIAL CHANGE IN THAT, AND IF THAT CHANGE MEANS MY VALUE IS NOW A FRACTION OF Y, THEN THEY MAY HAVE A CLAIM FOR IT'S NOT THEIR PRICE, IT'S THE CITY'S PRICE.
IT'S NOT A TAKINGS, BUT IT'S AKIN TO THAT.
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SO YOU CERTAINLY HAVE POLICE POWER TO MAKE CHANGES, NOTWITHSTANDING THE OWNERSHIP, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT THAT CHANGES THAT MAY IMPACT AN EXISTING USE MAY HAVE CONSEQUENCES.WELL, BUT WE HAVE EXISTING USE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS SCREEN.
THE USE REQUEST IS TO REPLANT AND THEREFORE ALLOW A DIFFERENT USE.
WELL, I THINK THE THEREFORE IS WHAT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST.
YOU HAVE AN ODD SITUATION HERE.
YOU HAVE, IN MY VIEW, A LOCAL ORDINANCE IN YOUR CODE FOR REVIEWING PLATS, WHICH IS REALLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE ADOPTED LAST YEAR.
AND SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROCESS YOU'RE USING.
BUT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE SPECIFIED THAT.
PLAT APPROVAL IS TO BE DONE ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE BASIS LOOKING FOR TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE.
AND SO I THINK SUBSTANTIVELY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY A PLAT APPROVAL, YOU NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE NOT SATISFIED IN THE PLAT SUBMISSION.
SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION YOU THAT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT VERSUS WHAT MAY BE BEFORE YOU AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE.
WHAT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN UP PUBLIC FORUM? I'VE GOT MORE, BUT I'LL WAIT.
AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS? TWO.
GO AHEAD AND CALL THEIR NAMES.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE HERE AT THE BEGINNING.
DID YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, OKAY.
ALTHOUGH, I TELL YOU WHAT, WE ONLY GOT TWO.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FILL OUT A PIECE OF PAPER WHILE SHE CALLS ON THE OTHER TWO, AND WE'LL GO THERE.
IS THIS THREE MINUTES, MAYOR? THREE MINUTES.
CITY COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY LIKE TO ASK YOU TO RESET THAT TO FIVE MINUTES.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ALSO MS. ASKEW HAVE PUT DRAWINGS UP THERE THAT I DON'T THINK ARE ACCURATE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT...
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FIVE MINUTES IF I COULD BECAUSE OF ERRORS IN THE PRESENTATION.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.
MY NAME IS DON WOLFSON, FORMER MAYOR OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR 13 YEARS, LIVING IN ATLANTIC BEACH FOR 45 YEARS.
I'M LOOKING AT THESE DRAWINGS, AND TO MS. ASKEW'S POINT, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO LOTS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT REPLANTING THOSE LOTS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE THOSE LOTS GO FROM BEACH AVENUE TO SEMINOLE ROAD.
WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS YOU'VE REPLATTED TO HAVE THE FIRST ONE AT THE TOP COMBINES TWO LOTS.
THE ONE IN THE SECOND REPLATS THE TWO LONG LOTS TO TWO SQUARE LOTS, SAME THING WITH THREE.
WE'LL ACCEPT THAT AND THEN WE'LL ASK HER TO RESPOND LATER.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO YOU.
WHY OUR COMMISSION SHOULD DENY THE PLAT PROPOSAL REQUEST TO SUBDIVIDE ZERO SEMINAL ROAD I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN PROPERTY RIGHTS INITIALLY THE BARTLETT SISTERS ARE THE OWNERS HAD PLANNED TO BUILD ONE LARGE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY FROM WHAT I'VE READ BUT THEIR FAMILY DYNAMICS CHANGED AND THERE WAS A PLAN TO BUILD TWO HOUSES ON THE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH ARE THE TWO LOTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE OF THE SCHEMATIC.
SO THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD TWO HOUSES.
AGAIN, THE FAMILY DYNAMICS CHANGED LEADING TO THE CURRENT REQUEST TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO FOUR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS REQUEST.
THEREFORE, TO YOUR POINT, OTHER THAN MAXIMIZING THE MONETARY VALUE OF THESE LOTS, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO SUBDIVIDE THESE TWO LOTS.
IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY ATLANTIC BEACH
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COMMISSION TO GRANT SUCH A REPLAT REQUEST ON THE BASIS OF FINANCIAL MAXIMIZATION OF REAL ESTATE VALUE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.IN FACT, THE REAL ESTATE CLIMATE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS BEEN GENEROUS TO ALL COASTAL PROPERTY OWNERS, ESPECIALLY TO ATLANTIC BEACH PROPERTIES.
HOWEVER, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO THE SECOND AND THE THIRD DRAWINGS ON THE LEFT TO REPLAT THE TWO LOTS INTO TWO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH.
ONE LOT HAVING 100 FEET FRONTAGE ON BEACH AVENUE AND ONE LOT HAVING 100 FEET FRONTAGE ON SEMINOLE ROAD, BOTH APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET DEEP.
TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POINT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT REPLANTING, BUT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION HERE.
AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES OF ELECTED CITY OFFICIALS ACTING HISTORICALLY RESPONSIBLY FOR ATLANTIC BEACH AS A WHOLE AND NOT GRANTING A DEVELOPER OR A PROPERTY OWNER'S REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL GAINS.
IN 1985, ALLMAN AND MITCH MONTGOMERY SR.
FILED PLANS FOR THEIR TWO 25-STORY HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUMS LOCATED ON BEACH AVENUE BETWEEN 18TH AND 19TH STREETS IN WHAT WAS THEN SEMINOLE BEACH, WHICH WAS PRESENTLY ANNEXED BY ATLANTIC BEACH.
WHILE THE JACKSONVILLE ZONING BOARD APPROVED THIS DEVELOPMENT, TWO READINGS, THE JACKSONVILLE CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT OTHERWISE AND VOTED AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.
NINETEEN YEARS LATER, 2004, BY A THREE-TO-TWO VOTE, THE ATLANTIC BEACH CITY COMMISSION VOTED TO REZONE JOHNSON ISLAND FROM CONSERVATION TO COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL TO ACCOMMODATE A MID-RISE EIGHT-STORY CONDOMINIUM STRUCTURE AND MARINA NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE INTERCOASTAL SPAN ON ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.
THE SUBSEQUENT CITY COMMISSION REDIRECTED THE ZONING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND VOTED AGAINST THE MID-RISE DEVELOPMENT, THUS PRESERVING THE LOW-RISE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH.
GOING TO SECTION 2470, LAND CLEARING AND ALTERATION OF SITE GRADE OF TOPOGRAPHY.
QUOTE, AT THE END, IT SAYS, EXCEPT IT'S REQUIRED TO MEET COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CODES THAT ARE SET FORTH WITHIN A VALID PERMIT FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
REQUIRED TO MEET APPLICABLE FLOOD ZONE OR STORMWATER REGULATIONS PURSUANT TO VALID PERMITS THAT GRADE AN ELEVATION OR TOPOGRAPHY OF ANY PARTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT SITE SHALL NOT BE ALTERED.
TO 2010 AND 2018, THIS WAS NOT DONE.
TO THE MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TREES BEING PROTECTED, TO MS. ASKEW ABOUT THE TREES BEING PROTECTED, YOU CAN COME IN HERE AND STRIP EVERY TREE OUT OF THAT LOT.
THAT WILL BE DONE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF RIVERSIDE HOMES, THEY WILL CLEAR-CUT THESE LOTS.
THEY WILL REMOVE THE LAST VESTIGES IN ATLANTIC BEACH OF AN ANCIENT MARITIME FOREST BECAUSE IT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO DO SO.
AND THEN IT WILL EXTENSIVELY ALTER THE TOPOGRAPHY OF A SECONDARY DUNE WITH TOTAL DISREGARD OF THE CALCULATED AVERAGE.
I ASK YOU TO PLEASE DEFER THIS, DELAY IT, OR VOTE AGAINST IT.
MY WIFE AND I JUST MOVED HERE FROM OREGON AFTER 35 YEARS, BUT I LIVE AT 2011 BEACH AVENUE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TWO HOUSES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN BOUGHT.
MY GRANDPARENTS AND MY PARENTS HAD BUILT THE HOUSE BACK IN 1955.
WE KIND OF SCRAPED IT AND BUILT OUR CURRENT NEW HOUSE, JUST ADDED A SECOND STORY BASICALLY TO THE FOOTPRINT.
WE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGLE PALM TREE DURING THE COURSE OF OUR RENOVATION OF IT, SO ALL THE TREES HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED.
SO OUR HOUSE IS AT 2011, WHICH IS OFF TO THE RIGHT, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM 2016, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH OF 2010.
THE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME ABOUT THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT 2010 AND 2016 NOW, IF YOU DO AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A BUNCH OF WHITE.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY ZERO GREEN ON ANY OF THOSE.
ALSO, THE TOPOGRAPHY, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE RULES ARE REGARDING THAT, BUT IT'S A REALLY DEEP PIT COMBINING BOTH OF THOSE LOTS AT 2010 AND
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2016.THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THE CITY DOES ALSO, IS IF WE SEE THAT SAME APPROACH TO...
SEMINOLE ZERO I BELIEVE THAT ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WITH AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH IN THE FUTURE OF THIS IS A LARGE WHITE SANDY UNDERGROWTH OR WITH THAT AND NO TREE GROWTH THAT ALL NEW THINGS THAT MAKE ATLANTIC BEACH ATLANTIC BEACH NOW THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE SHOWN EARLIER SHOW THE BLUE SQUARES OF THE RECTANGULAR HOUSES BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 2010 AND 2016 NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE PASSED HOUSE TAKES UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LOT.
SO WHEREAS THE BLUE HOUSING INDICATOR SUGGESTS THERE'S A LOT OF FREE SPACE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO SHOW THOSE, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT ON THIS LARGE SEMINAL ZERO.
IS GOING TO BE LEFT IF IT BEARS IN MIND WHAT'S HAPPENING AT 2010 AND 2016.
SO AGAIN, ALSO, THE ISSUE OF THESE LARGE PITS THAT ARE BEING DONE AT 2010 AND 2016 IS NOT ALSO GOING TO HAPPEN AT SEMINOLE ZERO.
I THINK IT'S JUST CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO NOW VERSUS AFTER SOME PROBLEMS ARISE FROM THAT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT TO SAY THIS IS A REASONABLE THING TO DO FOR THIS LARGE PLOT AT SEMINOLE ZERO THAT'S BEEN DONE AT 2010 AND 2016.
SO LET'S GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT RATHER THAN JUST PLOWING AHEAD.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING MAYOR FORD SAID EARLIER ABOUT ROLLING UP THE CARPET OR THE NEW OWNERS, BUT WHEN THESE OWNERS PURCHASE IT, IT WAS THE EXISTING LOT THE WAY IT IS.
THE PRIOR OWNER TRIED TO DO THIS FOR AND WITHDREW HER REQUEST, AND IT DIDN'T MEET THE EXISTING ZONING.
SO THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
THEY ONLY COULD PUT TWO HOMES ON IT OR DO MULTIFAMILY.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SUFFER ANY PREJUDICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING PLATTED THE WAY THEY WANT IT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR FINANCIAL BENEFIT.
LAURA BARTLETT AND SUSAN BARTLETT.
HI, I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT I'M LAURA BARTLETT.
AND WE ARE THE SISTERS THAT BOUGHT THIS.
WE PURCHASED THIS AND HAD A DIFFERENT PLAN AT THE TIME.
MY MOM WAS ALIVE AND WE HADN'T DECIDED WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.
BUT WE FELL IN LOVE WITH ATLANTIC BEACH, FELL IN LOVE WITH THE AREA.
AND WE HAVE NO PLANS ON TRYING TO DO ANYTHING BAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ACTUALLY KNEW THAT IT WAS A POSSIBILITY OF DOING A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
AND WE DEFINITELY KNEW THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE TOO MUCH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REGARDLESS OF IF WE MADE MONEY OR WHATEVER.
PRESENTLY, WE'VE WORKED WITH RIVERSIDE HOMES WHO HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ISSUES OF YOUR CONCERNS.
AND MADE SURE THAT THE PARENTS WOULD FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE ISSUE AND WERE VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT.
MATTER OF FACT, I SAW PIVOT THE TWO HOUSES, WHICH I WISH WE WOULD KIND OF SEPARATE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OUR PROPERTY.
BUT I NOTICED THE GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH YOU HAD TO DIG.
AND RIVERSIDE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD.
AND THEN THE THIRD WAS THE TREES.
WHICH STEVE MORGAN, WHO WE'VE WORKED WITH SINCE WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY.
HE'S BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY AND WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT SAVING TREATS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN TO PLAY, WHERE SINCE THEN THAT WE'VE PURCHASED IT, OUR NEEDS AND OUR LIFESTYLES HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME UP WITH ASKING TO DIVIDE IT INTO FOUR LOTS.
SO, SUSAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SOME FACTS THAT WE HAVE? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A FEW THINGS.
THAT OUR LOT IS 20 FEET DEEPER THAN THE NEIGHBORING LOTS.
ALL LOTS ARE 10 FEET WIDER THAN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM.
AS MY SISTER MENTIONED, WE'VE WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH STEVE MORGAN SINCE 2021 REGARDING THE LOT'S ABILITY TO HOLD ITS OWN WATER AS THE CITY REQUIRES.
STEVE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON STORMWATER MITIGATION, AND IT MUST BE APPROVED BY ANYBODY WHO BUILDS.
ON THE LOTS AND ALSO APPLIES TO TREE MITIGATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR TO US BY
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STEVE.THE LOTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ZONED FOR HOMES WHETHER IT WAS MULTI-FAMILY TOWNHOUSES OR SINGLE FAMILY IT'S NEVER BEEN ZONED AS A PARK OR OR PRESERVE AND CONSTRUCTION'S ALWAYS BEEN INEVITABLE.
SO WE JUST YOU KNOW APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS AND WE UNDERSTAND AS I THINK IT WAS SCOTT MENTIONED THAT THIS IS MORE JUST REVIEWING OF WHAT WE HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE SURVEY PROCESS, AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO REPRESENT LIKE A BUILDER OR A PERMITTING PROCESS FOR WATER OR ANY OF THAT.
SO I DO THINK THAT WHAT HE WAS SAYING MADE SENSE TO ME IS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS HEARING IS ABOUT.
THIS HEARING IS JUST A SIMPLE ADMINISTRATIVE THING COMPARED TO ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU IN THE FUTURE FOR BUILDING, PERMITTING, TREE MITIGATION, STORM, ETC.
BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT STEVE MORGAN HAS BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH PEOPLE AT THE CITY.
SO PASSIONATE ABOUT ATLANTIC BEACH.
HE LIVES HERE IN NEPTUNE AND HE HAS BEEN GIVING US GREAT GUIDANCE AND ALWAYS WANTS TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HIMSELF BECAUSE HE LIVES HERE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND GETTING UP HERE.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN TO THIS PROPERTY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT APPEARANCE, DRAINAGE, TREES.
IT BEGS THE QUESTION, ARE YOU LOOKING TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THIS UNTIL ALL THE HOMES ARE BUILT AND THEN SELL IT? YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT BUILDING ON ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ONE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU SELL THE OTHER PROPERTIES, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE CONTROL, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THE OTHER THREE.
IF YOU SELL THE OTHER THREE, ALL THESE, UNLESS Y'ALL, I MEAN, JUST OTHER THAN THESE GREAT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED, YOU SELL IT.
YOU SELL THE LOT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF TEA IN CHINA, BUT YOU SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
THEY QUIT TALKING TO STEVE MORTON.
YEAH, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
BUT AS IT'S BEEN SAID, I MEAN, THERE'S OH, YOU HAVE TO USE THE RIGHT CHECK.
EVEN ALL THE BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT ON THE LEGACY LIVE OATS.
WE'RE WORKING HARD TO DO THAT.
BUT SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WELL, PRESENTLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S ZONED FOR A MULTI-TOWNHOUSE.
SO YOU BRING A DEVELOPER IN, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, IF YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T DIVIDE IT INTO FOURS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US, IS THAT WE HAVE TO GET A DEVELOPER? WE HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING YET.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING TO PUT FOUR, AND THERE'S NINE HOMES ON THE SAME SIZE PROPERTY.
YEAH, BOTH SIDES WERE SURROUNDED BY TOWNHOUSES.
AND I THINK AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY CAME TO US AND THEY WANTED TO BUY THE WHOLE THING AND DO TOWNHOUSES.
AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE GREAT FOR THE LAND EITHER.
I THINK YOU ARE BEING SOMEWHAT PENALIZED FOR HOLDING ON TO THE PROPERTY THIS LONG.
AND IT GAVE THAT FOREST TIME TO GROW.
AND EVERYBODY THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY COULD.
THERE'S SOME AFFLUENT PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
RAISE THE MONEY TO BUY YOU BUY YOUR LIFE WHEN YOU TURN INTO A PARK WELL, SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING IT AS A PARKING LOT, AND WE'VE TRIED TO ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO.
IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT I HEAR YOU.
WELL, WE'VE ALLOWED OUR NAMES TO BE PARKED.
WE HAVEN'T CHARGED ANYONE ANYTHING.
WE'VE TRIED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BEFORE EVEN BUILDING.
WE'VE TRIED TO GIVE FREE PARKING TO NANNIES AND THINGS.
AND I WISH THAT YOU COULD TAKE PIVOT LOTS AND NOT PUT IT WITH OUR LOT.
YEAH, THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
I THOUGHT THAT AFTER WE SAW SOME PEOPLE FIRE, YOU ALSO WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
I HAD ASKED THAT YOU NOT DO THAT.
BUT BUT LOOK, WE'VE GONE THIS LONG.
I'LL JUST DO A CLOSE GROUP RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL CALL THIS THE CLOSING COMMENT.
I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ROLLING UP THE CARPET AND NOT LETTING OTHER PEOPLE DO IT.
I LIVE ON BEACH COTTAGE LANE, SO DOES LEE.
SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
PEOPLE BUILD WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD TO GET THE MOST MONEY OUT OF IT.
ALL I ASK THAT, IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO THAT WAY, NOT OUR WAY.
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT IT APPEARS THAT WAY.
AT SOME POINT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO STOP DOING STUFF LIKE THIS.
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WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ATLANTIC BEACH, SAVING THE TREES, MAKE IT A LIVABLE PLACE TO LIVE, OR YOU CAN MAKE IT LIKE JACKSONVILLE BEACH.YOU CAN MAKE IT WHERE THERE'S NO TREES, JUST CONCRETE HOMES.
AND ROY, I DON'T USUALLY RESPOND, BUT I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING A LITTLE UNFAIR.
THESE LOTS, IF SUBDIVIDED INTO THE FOUR, WILL BE BIGGER THAN ANY LOTS WE HAVE.
AND THIS IS A HIGH-DENSITY ZONING HERE.
BUT THESE WILL BE BIGGER, NOT SMALLER.
SO WE'RE NOT THIS ISN'T STOP DOING SOMETHING BAD.
THIS IS LOW-DENSITY FOR A HIGHER-DENSITY ZONING.
BUT THE ISSUE THAT I BELIEVE IS SALIENT HERE IS THE ISSUE OF OUR CONCERN FOR THE TREE CANOPY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF FORCING PEOPLE NOT TO TAKE THE MITIGATION ROUTE, AND THAT'S A CONCERN.
BUT THIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE MARITIME FOREST IN ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA.
BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY PROBABLY THE ONLY MARITIME FOREST LEFT EAST OF SEMINOLE, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.
SO I'D LIKE TO ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD.
YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.
WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, ALL OF YOU.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
AND I'D LIKE TO BRING AMANDA BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, I THINK.
AND IF I MAY LEAD OFF ON THIS.
SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THE FIRST QUESTION BROUGHT UP BY FORMER MAYOR DON WOLFSON, THAT EVEN THE THREE SCENARIOS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SLIDE, IF YOU CAN FIND THAT SLIDE, DONNA, EVEN THOSE THREE SCENARIOS ARE REPLANTS.
WELL, ACTUALLY, THE ONE IS NOT.
THEY'RE ALL REPLATS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TWO FLATS.
ACCORDING TO OUR CODE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CREATING MORE THAN THREE LOTS.
SO THEY COULD BE JUST GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE AND OFFICE AND JUST SUBDIVIDE THOSE WITHOUT ANY CITY INPUT.
CAN I GET A COMMENT, MR. TURNER? I'LL PULL IT UP, BUT I THINK SHE'S ACCURATE.
I THINK WHAT YOUR CODE SPECIFIES IS THAT ONLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE, I THINK IT'S THREE OR MORE, DOES THAT THEN REQUIRE A SUBDIVISION BY REASON OF A PLAT OR REPLAT.
OKAY, SO IF YOU'LL LOOK THAT UP WHILE WE'RE TALKING, SO IF THAT'S ACCURATE, AND I BELIEVE IT MAY BE, THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GIVEN THE THREE DIAGRAMS WITH POSSIBILITIES THAT WOULD NOT TRIP ANY OTHER WIRES AS FAR AS DENSITY PER SQUARE FEET AND SO ON.
WE'VE GOT SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN THERE.
CAN YOU SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT OFF? OH, I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CAMERA.
SO SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY COULD DO THIS.
WHAT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COMMISSION.
AND WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO NOTICE ANYONE.
BUT BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE USING THE EXAMPLE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE DONE THEIR.
LEGAL SUBDIVIDING, IF YOU WILL, THROUGH THE DUVAL COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
COMMISSIONERS, I JUST GOT TO CLARIFY.
YOUR PROVISION IN YOUR MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 24-187 FIRST DEFINES SUBDIVISION TO BE A DIVISION OF LAND INTO THREE OR MORE LOTS OF PARCELS.
THAT SAME SECTION 24-108 SAYS THAT APPROVAL OF A PLAT OR REPLAT WILL BE REQUIRED WHEN THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS RESULT, ONE OF WHICH IS THE DIVISION OF ANY LAND WILL CREATE.
THREE OR MORE CONTIGUOUS LOSS OR PARCELS.
SO WHAT MS. ASKEW RELATED EXACTLY ACCURATE.
TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO TWO IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EVER GOING TO COME BEFORE THE CITY.
AMANDA, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING AROUND THIS FOR A HALF AN HOUR AT LEAST.
SO I LOOKED UP THE ZILLOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS IS WORTH.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS AS WE GO THROUGH.
OUR TREE MITIGATION, THEORETICALLY, I'M NOT SAYING WHO OWNS TODAY.
I'M SAYING WHO OWNS IT TOMORROW, THEY COULD MOW DOWN AND PAY SIGNIFICANTLY.
I WOULD GUESS BY MY QUICK MATH IS MAYBE TWO OR THREE PERCENT OF WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS WORTH IN TREE MITIGATION.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT 10 PERCENT.
AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A TWEENER RIGHT NOW BETWEEN I THINK THAT WHAT I HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS IS THAT.
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WE ARE GOING TO AGGRESSIVELY MOVE ON THAT.BUT WE'RE IN BETWEEN LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, A YEAR FROM NOW, MAYBE THEY CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF DAMAGE.
I USE THE WORD DAMAGE, BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING AROUND IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TO MAKE A STAND HERE.
I THINK WE'RE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I AM I'M JUST GOING TO GO ON THE RECORD HERE SAYING I WOULD SUPPORT PUNNING ON THIS TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE.
I HEAR THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
SO I'LL EITHER VOTE FOR THE REQUEST.
OR I'LL VOTE TO PUSH THIS OUT AND DEFER IT TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING OUT OF FAIRNESS TO THE ISSUE.
BUT I THINK WHAT THE CITIZENS KNOW AND HEAR IS THAT IF THE CURRENT OWNERS CHOOSE TO ELIMINATE ALL THE TREES AND PAY MITIGATION, REMEMBER, THAT'S NOT FINES.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT UNTIL AND IF AND WHEN WE CHANGE OUR CODE.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL ULTIMATELY WORK OUT THERE.
I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS COMMISSIONER GRANT.
GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT ALWAYS WHEN WE'RE DOING A VARIANCE OR A CHANGE IN CODE, OR IN THIS CASE A REPLAT, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THEY MAY NOT DO WHAT WE HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND YOU ACTUALLY CALLED THAT BECAUSE IF THEY SOLD THE LOTS TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO, RIGHT? SO.
I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CAREFUL.
IT SHOULD NOT BE THE WORK OF THIS BODY TO DECIDE THAT WE DON'T LIKE OUR OWN LAWS, AND THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO JUST STYMIE SOMEBODY'S REASONABLE RIGHTS TO USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEIR RIGHTS AND OR CHANGE THE LAW, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ON THAT.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON TONIGHT IS A YAY OR NAY.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, MAYOR, AND I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, BUT YOU'VE GOT FOUR OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE A CALL HERE, AND THEY VERY WELL COULD SAY YAY OR NAY.
BUT HOW WOULD WE MODIFY THIS? I MEAN, WE CAN'T MODIFY ORDINANCES ON THE FLY.
YOU COULD MOVE TO DEFER THIS TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
THEY CAN MOVE THIS? I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION HERE.
I HEAR THE ISSUE ABOUT MARITIME FOREST.
I JUST KNOW THAT SIMILAR PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH HAVE PUT WAY MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND IT JUST SEEMS PRETTY UNFAIR.
IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THAT THESE PEOPLE GET SINGLED OUT.
I THINK OUR BIGGEST FEAR, IF WE KNEW WITH CERTAINTY, I BET YOU I COULD GET EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TO AGREE, IF WE KNEW WITH CERTAINTY.
THEY WOULD PROTECT ALL THE TREES AND JUST CLEAR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, THEY'D PROBABLY BE OKAY WITH THE FOUR-PLATTED LOT.
THEN LET'S TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER.
LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY THAT OWNS A HOME IN ATLANTIC BEACH DO A RESTRICTIVE DEED ON THEIR HOME THAT TELLS THE NEW HOMEOWNER THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN'T CUT ANY TREES, AND JUST WATCH THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DECLINE LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
Y'ALL WANT US TO TELL A HOMEOWNER OR LANDOWNER NOT TO CUT ANY MORE TREES.
WHILE WE'RE SITTING NICE AND PRETTY ON OUR BIG HOMES AND ALL THE TREES HAVE BEEN CUT TO BUILD THOSE HOMES.
THAT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION, MAYOR? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE PLAT REQUEST FOR ZERO SEMINOLE ROAD.
WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND, SO THE MOTION FAILS.
CAN WE CALL A ROLL CALL VOTE? WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE NEED THE DISPOSITION IN ANY WAY, COUNCILMAN, OR DID WE JUST LET IT FAIL? I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A STATUTORY OBLIGATION, IF YOU DENY IT, TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE OWNERS OF WHAT THEIR TECHNICAL NONCOMPLIANCE IS.
WE DIDN'T GET A SECOND TO THE MOTION.
STAY HERE UNTIL WE GET A MOTION TO DO SOMETHING, OR DOES, THIS IS IMPORTANT, BY NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY, DOES IT PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK ON THIS AND NOT WAIT THE PERFUNCTORY 12 MONTHS OR WHATEVER IF WE HAD ACTUALLY
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DENIED IT? MR. MAYOR, IT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION, AND IT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION BECAUSE, AS I SAID, YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCE ACTUALLY IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE MANDATES.FLORIDA LEGISLATURE MANDATED THAT YOU ACTUALLY NOT HEAR THIS AT ALL, THAT YOU APPOINT AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL TO REVIEW THIS ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER, THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL GIVE A TIMELINE TO THE APPLICANT AND THAT THEY APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASY QUESTION, NOT AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER.
BUT THAT WOULD GIVE ANOTHER REASON FOR DEFERRING ON THIS TODAY TO ALLOW COUNSEL TO GIVE US MORE THAN JUST THE COMMENTS.
HERE TONIGHT AS TO HOW TO PROCEED.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T, IN MY VIEW, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO, THIS IS NOT A REZONING.
THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO A 12-MONTH RESTRICTION, FOR EXAMPLE, ON DENIED REZONING.
SO, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT TAKING ACTION ON THIS, IT COULD BE REFERRED BACK, ASSUMING THAT WE THANK YOU.
FULLY AGREE AFTER WE DIGEST YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT NOT HAVING TO DO THIS AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL.
IT COULD BE REFERRED BACK FOR ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.
FOR THE FOLKS HERE, I'M NOT WANTING TO ABDICATE MY RESPONSIBILITY.
WE GOT THIS RIGHT HERE IN OUR LAB.
SO I'M WANTING TO TO MOVE, BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE IF WE DO X.
OR Y OR Z? HANG ON ONE SECOND.
YOU HAVE, IN MY VIEW, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.
YOU HAVE IN YOUR ORDINANCE CODE, YOU HAVE PROVISIONS THAT DESCRIBE THE PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF PLAAFS.
THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE HAS SAID YOU'RE NOT TO DO THAT ANYMORE, THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO APPOINT AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL TO DO IT.
SO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER YOU WISH TO AMEND YOUR ORDINANCES TO BRING THEM IN COMPLIANCE, BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE SAID LAST YEAR, IS PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN HOW YOU DEAL WITH THIS THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY APPLIED FOR AND HAS BEEN NOTICED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY CONDUCTED A NOTICE HEARING BECAUSE YOU NOTICED IT THAT WAY.
SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WOULD SAY REASONABLY WE SHOULD FOLLOW THROUGH ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND THEN IF WE SO CHOOSE, AMEND OUR.
OR CODE FOR GOING FORWARD? I THINK THE CODE AMENDMENT PROBABLY DEALS MORE WITH THE PROCESS.
I THINK WHETHER YOU, WHATEVER PROCESS YOU DO THIS THROUGH, THE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID THAT IF A PLAT OR REFLAT IS DENIED THAT YOU'RE TO ARTICULATE THE REASONS FOR THE DENIAL.
AND SO, THE NONCOMPLIANCE, WHY IT'S NONCOMPLIANT.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACT ON IT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DEFER IT.
I THINK IT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
WELL, BUT IF WE ACTUALLY PUT IT TO A VOTE AND MOVED TO DENY IT AND DENIED IT TONIGHT, THE DENIAL REASON WOULD BE.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE A REPLANT TO FOUR LOTS, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY WHO? JUST THE COMMISSION? THE COMMISSION'S DECISION TONIGHT, WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVE OR QUASI-JUDICIAL, WOULD BE ONLY SUBJECT TO REVIEW IN CIRCUIT COURT, LIKELY THROUGH THE PETITION FOR CERTIORARI PROCESS.
OKAY, BUT IF IT CAME BACK AS...
FOR FOUR LOTS, WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS THE PETITIONER HAS THE RIGHT TO REPLAT TO THREE OR LESS LOTS.
THEY CANNOT REPLAT TO FOUR WITHOUT WHOSE APPROVAL? TWO.
IF IT'S THREE, IF IT'S THREE, IF IT'S THREE, THAT NOW REQUIRES A PLAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A DIAGRAM WITH THE TWOS.
SO IF THEY WANT TO GO WITH THE THREE OR IN THIS CASE, THE FOUR.
THEY DO HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BUTTON.
IT MUST BE YOUR IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN HOW IT'S APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED.
THAT IS, YOUR CODE THAT SAYS MORE THAN THREE OR MORE REQUIRES A PLAT IS VALID.
THAT REQUIRES WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL IS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY I JUST DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
MAY I SUGGEST? SO SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS EXTREMELY FLUID.
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SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE DECISION ON PLAT TWENTY FIVE DASH TRIPLE ZERO TWO FOUR ZERO SEMINOLE ROAD UNTIL WHAT'S A, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY TWO MEETINGS OUT.WHAT'S THE DATE AGAIN, CANDACE? I'M SORRY.
NOW WE CAN HAVE THE FINAL DISCUSSION.
WHAT ARE WE PUNTING AT ALL? FOR TWO MORE WEEKS.
IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR WEEKS, I THINK.
WELL, PERSONALLY, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS MY POSITION.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING RIGHTS AND CLOSING THE DOOR TO THIS LAST LANDOWNER TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AT AN EVEN GREATER DENSITY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE SOME VALID POINTS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE ISSUES WITH OUR ORDINANCE, BUT WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR ACTING CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH HAS TO BE FIXED, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE FIXED IN TWO MEETINGS.
NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED.
BUT YOU CAN DO MORE STUDY ABOUT DO WE, IN FACT, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STORMWATER IN THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS, BUT I'D LIKE TO INVESTIGATE THAT.
I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO COLLECT MY THOUGHTS ON IT, BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLEX.
DOES ANYBODY HERE THINK THIS IS NOT COMPLEX? I MEAN, IT'S.
THERE'S A LOT OF WELL, I'M SORRY.
I SHOULDN'T OPEN IT UP BECAUSE THE PUBLIC FORUM IS CLOSED, BUT IT IS THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE, AND HERE WE ARE.
AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DENY IT AT THIS POINT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE IT EITHER IF WE CAN GET A SECOND.
WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOT A SECOND, BUT IF WE CAN GET A VOTE ON THAT.
SO, DONNA, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO MOVE THIS ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
BUT TO MOVE THIS PLAT REQUEST TO THAT MEETING.
WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A DEFERRAL IN THIS? IT'S A DEFERRAL.
AND I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
DO WE NEED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE MOTION FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT ASPECT OF IT? WE'LL HAVE TO REDO THE ADVERTISEMENT UNLESS WE SAY SOMETHING, ADD TO THAT MAYBE? I WOULD JUST NOTICE IT AS WE NOTICED TONIGHT.
OKAY, SO STILL RE-NOTICE IT? I THINK THAT'S, WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO CONTINUE THAT.
OKAY YOU WANT ME TO CALL FOR ROLL CALL YES MA'AM OKAY COMMISSIONER RING NAY COMMISSIONER BOLL? NAY.
SO WE'LL DEFER IT TO THAT MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR THE TWO LADIES PETITIONING,
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS ]
BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR DECISION IS FOR TONIGHT, AND WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES.OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS.
HOW WAS YOUR EVENING WITH THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMISSION? AS ALWAYS,
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
WONDERFUL.I'M ALWAYS IMPRESSED BY BOTH THE SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION AND THE INTEREST ABOUT THE CITIZENRY.
IT'S ONE OF THE BEST PLACES I GO.
COMMISSIONER BOLE? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU TELL OUR CITY ATTORNEY HOW HARD YOU WORKED COMPARATIVELY TO THE FIVE MONTHS THAT HE SENT ME.
BEGINNING TO SUSPECT I KNOW WHY HE'S NOT HERE.
WOULD YOU PASS ON TO THE STAFF THAT THE MEMORIAL DAY SERVICE WAS VERY WELL DONE? EXTRAORDINARY.
YES, I WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT WE JUST DEALT WITH.
AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS REPLATTING AND I'M HEARING FROM CITIZENS AND I HEAR ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
OR HERE IN 2024, WHEN THIS WAS
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PASSED AND THE CHANGE FROM THE 75 TO 40 FOOT WITH LOT, THAT CHANGE IS GOING TO HAUNT ME PROBABLY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AS I HEAR EVEN MORE SO WITH THE ACTING CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT CAN'T BE CORRECTED TODAY.
I KNOW THAT THAT CAN'T BE CORRECTED BY JUNE 22ND. AND.
I APPRECIATED OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BRINGING IN THE PRESENTATION WITH BACKGROUND INFORMATION DURING THE MEETING, BUT I CAN'T READ THROUGH THAT MANY SLIDES THAT QUICKLY.
SO I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THEM IN THE AGENDA BEFOREHAND, SO I COULD HAVE READ BEFOREHAND JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE WERE.
BACK IN 2024, THERE WERE MANY AMENDMENTS THAT WERE LUMPED INTO THAT NEAR 300-PAGE DOCUMENT.
IT TOOK FROM 2023 ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2024 IN EXASPERATION, MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS, ALL OF WHICH I ATTENDED.
IN ANY CASE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, AND MAYBE CITY MANAGER REQUEST, THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT, WITH AMANDA, EXACTLY HOW DID WE GET HERE WITH THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? HOW DID ALL OF THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT KIND OF LED US TO THIS REPLANNING ISSUE TODAY COME ABOUT IN A SLOW, METHODICAL WAY, NOT JUST QUICK CLICKS THROUGHOUT THE SLIDES IN TODAY'S HEARING.
I WANT TO KNOW, AND I WANT TO KNOW ALSO HOW WE CAN CHANGE THOSE AND RECTIFY THIS MOVING FORWARD SO WE DON'T HAVE MESSY SITUATIONS LIKE WE DID TODAY WITH THE REPLANTING.
YES, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO UNPACK THERE.
CERTAINLY STAFF AND LEGAL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO TO IN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER CONCURRENT WITH THE REPLAT CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF GETTING OUR CODE COMPLIANT WITH STATE STATUTES.
YOU BROUGHT UP, I THINK YOU'D LIKE A NARRATIVE ON HOW WE GOT HERE, AND THIS FOLLOWS UP ON OUR DISCUSSION FRIDAY IN TERMS OF THE CHANGE IN THE CODE.
IN 2024 AND WHY THAT HAPPENED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THE CHANGE FROM 75 TO 40 FEET, WHICH TOOK IT DOWN FROM 75 SQUARE FEET, 7,500 SQUARE FEET TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO, I THINK I WROTE DOWN WHAT PLANNING DIRECTOR SAID, QUOTE, DEVELOPED TO ITS HIGHEST DENSITY TO PUT IT IN 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONTINUUM. SO THE TWO WOULD MATCH EACH OTHER. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S LISTED IN OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN EVERY ONE OF OUR PLOTS. I THINK IF I MAY, BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN STOP FOR NOW. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WAS SOME CONFLICTS WITHIN CODE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, THEY WERE HIGHER DENSITY. THAT WHOLE AREA THERE FROM ROUGHLY 18TH TO 19TH. WAS A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT IF WE HAD AMANDA HERE, SHE COULD PROBABLY GIVE US THE, UM, THE DETAILS ON IT. SO THAT WAS CLEAN UP THERE AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WERE SHOWING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CLEARLY. THEY GOT APPROVAL TO DO A LOT MORE DENSITY ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. SO WE'LL BOTH SEEK TO GET THOSE ANSWERS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE MEETING ADDRESSING THIS.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME CLEANUP. MS. ASKEW DID MAKE AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE THAT DESCRIPTION OF HOW WE GOT HERE. AND SHE'S AT YOUR SERVICE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK. TALK HER WAY THROUGH IT AND YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. I THINK THE MAYOR SUMMARIZED IT PERFECTLY. IT WAS TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT AREA WAS HIGH DENSITY AND... IT WAS. EVERY CITY HAS DIFFERENT AREAS AND THAT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WAS BUILT THERE. AT THAT TIME AND CHANGES THROUGHOUT EVEN MY TIME HERE. THE DETAILS BECAUSE AMANDA SHOULD GIVE US THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YEAR THE PROPERTY WAS UH DEVELOPED ON THE BEACH UH SIDE WHAT WAS IT CALLED BEACH BUT ANYWAYS YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YEAR BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW WHETHER WE CHANGE CODE BETWEEN THAT YEAR AND THEN UM THE SUBSEQUENT CHANGE SO WE'VE GOT TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON UNDERSTOOD COMMISSIONER I'LL GIVE YOU THE FINAL WORD ON WELL NO WE'RE WE'RE DOING FINAL REPORTS AND THEN MIDDLE
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OF THE TIME. SO I WOULD JUST ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO LISTEN TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY.OTHERWISE, WHY ARE WE PAYING THEM SO MUCH? NO, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, I'M THE ONLY ONE SITTING NEXT TO HIM. I THINK ALL OF YOU HEARD THAT IT'S HARD TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME. AND ALSO THE RULES THAT TALLAHASSEE HAS IN FRONT OF US CONFLICT WITH OUR OWN.
OUR OWN RULES. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON THIS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOMEONE DESIGNATED WITHIN STAFF TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THESE THINGS FOR TALLAHASSEE. SO WE GOT A LOT LIKE LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, WE GOT A LOT TO UNPACK. BUT, YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. CITY MANAGER. REAL QUICKLY.
THANKS. IN TERMS OF THE FARMERS MARKET. WELL, I'M EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH A NONPROFIT AND HAVING IT.
CONTRACT IN PLACE. WE HAVE BEEN WELL SERVED BY THIS FARMER'S MARKET OPERATOR, AND I'M HOPING AND THINKING AND CROSSING MY FINGERS THAT THE PASSING OF THE BATON WOULD GO WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON AND TAKE THE NEXT STEP FORWARD TO HAVING A VIABLE FARMER'S MARKET.
DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE GOOD EFFORT THAT OUR VENDORS AND OUR OPERATOR HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU'LL SEE EVIDENCE OF ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. OF THE WATERING RESTRICTIONS. I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ALL ABOUT OUR STAFF'S EFFORTS TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE COMPLY WITH THE NEW WATER RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. AND FINALLY, THANKS TO THE LAST REMAINING SOLDIERS IN THE AUDIENCE. THANKS FOR HANGING WITH US TONIGHT.
THIS WAS IMPORTANT. IT'LL CONTINUE TO DOMINATE OUR CONVERSATION AND REMAINS IMPORTANT. WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.