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          GOOD EVENING. RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS AND GUESTS. 
          WELCOME TO CHAMBERS HERE AT CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          BEFORE WE OPEN THE MEETING I'D LIKE TO LEAD AN INVOCATION AND A PLEDGE,
IF YOU'LL JOIN ME. 
          HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ARE GATHERED THIS EVENING,
AND I ASK FOR YOUR YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THIS PRAYER IN A SPECIAL PRAYER TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF A A KEY MEMBER OF OUR,
OUR TEAM THAT'S PASSED ON. 
          SO THIS PAST WEEK C4 OUR POLICE DOG IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PASSED AWAY AND C4 SERVED
THIS CITY VALIANTLY FOR 6 YEARS, BEING 9 YEARS OLD, HAVING COME HERE AT 3 C4 WAS KNOWN TO ALL OF THE POLICE FORCE,
THE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF THE CITY STAFF, AND SO MANY OF OUR CITIZENS. 
          SO PLEASE WE ASK YOU TO CARVE OUT A SPECIAL PLACE IN YOUR HEAVENLY KINGDOM FOR C4 AND MAKE
HIS HIS THE AFTERLIFE. MAKE THAT SOMETHING VERY,
VERY GOOD. 
          WE ALSO ASK YOUR OVERSIGHT WITH THIS COMMISSION THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THE GOOD WORKS THAT
YOU EXPECT US TO DO, AND THAT WE DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IMPORTANT AND BENEFICIAL TO THE CITIZENS AND THE
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC
FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH,
FLORIDA, DATED JUNE 8TH, 2026, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. DONNA, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL,
PLEASE? COMMISSION ER. BOLE PRESENT. COMMISSION ER GRANT. 
          PRESENT. COMMISSION ER MAYOR FORD. PRESENT. OKAY WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN WITH ITEM 1.A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE
REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD 
          [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ON MAY 26TH, 2026. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, CORRECTIONS ADDITIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED. 
          [2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS]
WE'LL MOVE DIRECTLY TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR VISITORS. 
          IF YOU ARE SPEAKING AND HAVE NOT FILLED OUT A CARD. 
          I'LL ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL INCLUDE YOU. 
          BUT EVERYBODY WHO'S SPEAKING HAS. HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE TONIGHT? OKAY, SO WE'LL GO WITH 5 MINUTES PER SPEAKER TONIGHT. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL OUR FIRST CONTESTANT,
NATHAN GRAY. 
          NATHAN GRAY. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PIVOT CONSTRUCTION. 
          I'M AWARE OF SOME COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON BEACH THE
LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENING TO HEAR CONSIDERING THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER TALKED TO
US AND WE ARE AT BEACH AVENUE ALMOST EVERY DAY. 
          I HAVE 4 PHOTOS THAT I'M GOING TO ENTER IN TO THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR THIS MEETING. 
          ONE OF THESE IS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF 1983 BEACH AVE. 
          THEY WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS
DISCUSSED LAST MEETING. 
          THEIR LOT IS GRANDFATHERED IN. THEY'RE OVER THE IMPERVIOUS CODE AND THEY'RE ALSO OVER THE
DRIVEWAY CODE. 
          I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER RESIDENT THAT LIVES AT 2060 BEACH AVE. 
          SHE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE OVER THE IMPERVIOUS CODE AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAY CODE. 
          I'D LIKE TO THEN POINT MY ATTENTION TO THE AREA NEAR 2060 BEACH IN THE IN THE BEACH RIGHT
OF WAY. 
          HERE ARE PHOTOS THAT I'LL SUBMIT WHICH SHOW 4 CITY DRAINS WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY,
ALL WELL POSITIONED IN A GEOGRAPHICAL LULL ON BEACH AVENUE. THE LOTS THAT WE'RE BUILDING ON BEACH AVENUE ARE VERY COMPLEX. 
          AT THE GRADE AT THE STREET, WE'RE AT NEARLY 18FT AND AT THE LOWEST POINT IN OUR LOT. 
          ON OUR TOPO, WE'RE ABOUT NINE FEET. IT'S VERY COMPLEX. 
          THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT US STEPPING UP GRADE COMPLETELY FALSE. 
          WE ARE BELOW GRADE. WE'VE TAKEN OUT PROBABLY 60 TRUCKLOADS OF OF SAND OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          THAT IS COMPLETELY FALSE. THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE COMING IN AND CLEAR CUTTING THESE LOTS AND
THAT WE'RE NOT DOING TREE MITIGATION ALSO COMPLETELY FALSE. 
          THESE, NEITHER OF THESE LOTS WERE CLEAR CUT. WE'RE ALSO DOING FULL TREE MITIGATION ON
THESE. 
          WE'RE NOT PAYING INTO THE FUND AT ALL. I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS,
IS THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THIS PART OF BEACH AVENUE, 
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YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANDFATHERED PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE. 
          WE HAVE PROPERTIES BUILT IN THE 60S, 70S AND 80S,
WELL BEFORE THIS CODE WAS EVER IMPLEMENTED. 
          IF YOU WERE TO STAND OUT THERE ON A RAINY DAY,
YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IT'S A WATER SLIDE. 
          BEACH AVENUE IS A 25 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY. THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THE PAVEMENT ITSELF. 
          THE ASPHALT IS ABOUT 20FT WIDE. THAT MEANS THAT BEACH AVENUE IS IS NEARLY 100% IMPERVIOUS. 
          WHEN YOU CALCULATE THE DRIVEWAY SLIPS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE FROM THEIR
DRIVEWAYS. 
          AGAIN, ALL NOT BY CODE TO TODAY'S STANDARDS. WHEN YOU TAKE A SURVEY OF THIS PART OF BEACH
AVENUE, WE ARE AT NEARLY 100% IMPERVIOUS SPACE. I BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS ANGER TURN TOWARDS
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS AREA IS A LITTLE BIT IMPARTIAL BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT TAKING ITS OWN WATER LIKE THE REST OF BEACH AVENUE IS RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT SHOULD NOT BE LEVIED UPON US. THAT SHOULD NOT BE LEVIED UPON NEIGHBORING BUSINESS
LANDOWNERS, BECAUSE WE'RE THE LAST TO DEVELOP THE FOLKS THAT WE PURCHASED OUR BEACH AVE LOTS FROM,
PURCHASED THOSE IN THE 70S. 
          I GUARANTEE YOU THAT NOBODY ALONG THIS STRIP OF BEACH AVE LIVED HERE IN THE 70S. 
          ALL OF THEM HAVE BOUGHT SINCE. IS THIS THE RIGHT OF THE COMMISSION TO TRY AND TAKE AWAY
RIGHTS FROM PEOPLE? WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE SAYING,
OH, WELL, SO LONG AGO IT WAS 75FT WIDE THAT THIS ZONE WAS ALLOWED. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO BACK ANOTHER TEN YEARS,
IT WAS 50FT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AGE IS KIND OF A FUNNY THING IN THAT WAY. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY THOUGH, IS TO THE RESIDENTS OF ATLANTIC BEACH THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH OUR
DEVELOPMENT. 
          COME TALK TO US. WE HAVE WETLAND STUDIES. WE HAVE GEOTECHNICAL BORINGS. 
          WE HAVE SURVEYS. WE HAVE WE HAVE IT PRETTY MUCH ALL DONE. 
          SO PLEASE COME TALK TO US. LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR GRIEVANCES ARE. 
          WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU. WE DON'T LIKE TRESPASSING THOUGH,
AND WE'VE FILED MULTIPLE POLICE REPORTS ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HERE THE LAST FEW COMMISSION MEETINGS. AND THEY HAVE BEEN TRESPASSING,
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE THE COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT AND, AND LET THAT BE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR. GRAY. AMY GRAY. 
          HELLO, I'M AMY GRAY, I AM THE OWNER AT 2010 BEECH AVENUE WHERE WE'RE DEVELOPING NOW. 
          I'M ALSO THE OWNER OF PIVOT CONSTRUCT OR PIVOT REI,
WHICH IS DEVELOPING 2016 BEECH AVENUE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW I OWN I OWN BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT PIVOT CONSTRUCTION HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF WORKING WITH THE CITY
AND WITH, WITH US, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MITIGATE WATER ISSUES,
HOW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO BEST WITH THE TREES, AND HOW TO MAKE IT A REALLY NICE HOME FOR US. 
          A NICE HOME FOR WHOEVER BUYS IN AT 2016. I'M SO EXCITED TO MOVE TO THE BEACH AND TO MOVE
ON TO BEACH AVENUE, AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING THAT AREA LOOK BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND I'M SURE THAT WHEN WE GET DONE, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A CONSTRUCTION SITE NOW,
I THINK IT'LL LOOK LIKE A VERY NICE PROPERTY IN BOTH CASES. 
          AND I DO SUPPORT OUR NEIGHBORS ALSO BUILDING BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WOULD DO THE SAME
THING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU,
MISS GRAY. 
          AND WELCOME TO ATLANTIC BEACH, STEPHEN DYBDAHL. 
          GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR STEVE. I WANTED TO DRIVE SUITE 1200. 
          I'M HERE ON ITEM 8.B, WHICH IS REGARDING A FLAGPOLE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED
AT THE DUNE HOUSE. 
          THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON IS THAT IN THE RESOLUTION OR IN THE SUMMARY HERE ON
THE ON THE AGENDA ITSELF, IT SAYS THAT THE HEIGHT WOULD BE 50FT TALL. THE ACTUAL HEAT,
THE ACTUAL HEIGHT IS PROPOSED HEIGHT IS 55FT. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MIGHT BE
WATCHING, BUT WE HAVE AN APPLICATION PENDING. 
          THE GOAL IS TO GET THE FLAGPOLE INSTALLED BEFORE JULY 4TH AND THE 250TH CELEBRATION FOR
THIS YEAR. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP,
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. DEBONO. NANCY STOTZ. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MAYOR. EVERYONE,
MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BRIEF COMMENTS REGARDING IN ORDER. 3.F ARE THE TREE PROTECTION CODE UPDATE? I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TIGHTEN OUR BELTS A BIT,
SO TO SPEAK, ON THE SIZE OF THE TREE THAT CAN BE CUT DOWN THE DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT. 
          I THINK THERE'S GOOD INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW OLD A TREE THAT IS
20IN IN DIAMETER IS. 
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THEY'RE VERY SLOW GROWING. IT'S IT'S ON SAND BASICALLY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE SEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T COMMENT TO WHAT,
WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS LOT THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN CLEAR CUT LOTS THROUGHOUT ATLANTIC BEACH RECENTLY THERE HAVE BEEN LOT
SPLITS TO 50FT IN THE, IN THE SELVA AREA. SO I THINK CITIZENS ARE RIGHTFULLY A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE
GOING, THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED, THE PACE AT WHICH WE'RE HEADED THERE. 
          I THINK THEY'RE ALL VALID CONCERNS. AND I DO HOPE YOU TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE
AS REASONABLY STRICT AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN STEM THE TIDE A BIT. IN TERMS OF THE PLOT,
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH UP OUR CODE TO WHAT THE STATE CODE WAS. 
          SO IN BRIEF, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STATE CHANGED THE LAWS IN JULY OF 25. 
          AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DIDN'T FOLD OUR ORDINANCE INTO TO REFLECT THAT. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ASK, WHAT IS THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR THAT,
WHETHER THIS IS THROUGH THE CITY PLANNER, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHENEVER STATE LAWS CHANGE THERE SHOULD BE A
MECHANISM BY WHICH YOU AS THE COMMISSION ARE IN, IN A TIMELY MANNER, MADE AWARE AND CAN ADJUST OUR CODES. 
          SO IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO YOU KNOW,
THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          AND IN ADDITION, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE US GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHY WE CHANGED AND MADE
SMALLER OUR LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THOSE NUMBERS DO CHANGE OVER TIME,
THAT IS A VALID POINT. 
          IN RECENT YEARS, WE HAVE BECOME MORE AND MORE AWARE OF BASICALLY FLOODING IN MANY PARTS OF
OUR CITY WITH EVEN THE SLIGHTEST RAIN. SO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF NOT DECREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE,
OF DECREASING THE SIZE TREE THAT WE CAN CUT DOWN WITHOUT MITIGATION FEES. AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE INCREASE OUR MITIGATION FEES
SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE FACING BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR RESPECT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU, MISS STOTZ. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN I'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR,
AND WE'LL MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS. 
          [3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
MR. HOGENCAMP THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          UNDER COURTESY OF THE BOARD OF VISITORS. WE WERE GOING TO RECOGNIZE A POLICE DEPARTMENT
VOLUNTEER. 
          HE'S NOT HERE, SO WE'LL DO THAT AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          OUR FIRST REPORT IS ON BUILDING PERMIT FEES. AND THESE REPORTS THAT I GIVE TONIGHT ARE ARE
PUBLISHED ON HANDOUTS AS YOU WALK INTO THE CHAMBER ALSO ONLINE, INCLUDING THE LINKS THAT ARE ON THE HANDOUTS
THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT WWW.COAB.US/CITYMANAGER. SO THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET SUBMITTED BY MISS ASKEW,
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, DETAILS A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE CITY'S BUILDING PERMIT FEE
STRUCTURE. 
          THIS PROPOSAL UPDATES AND CENTRALIZES THE VARIOUS BUILDING,
ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, MECHANICAL AND FIRE SAFETY FEES INTO A SINGLE CHAPTER IN THE CITY CODE. THESE CHANGES ESTABLISH AN INCREASED FEE SCHEDULE TO ENSURE THE BUILDING DIVISION
REMAINS STRUCTURALLY SELF SUFFICIENT. 
          SEPARATELY, THE STAFF IS PROPOSING AN UPDATE TO RECREATION FACILITY RENTAL FEES. 
          THIS WOULD BETTER ALIGN WITH OUR CURRENT OPERATIONAL COSTS AND REGIONAL STANDARDS. 
          NOTABLE ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDE REVISED HOURLY AND DAILY RATES FOR RENTING COMMUNITY CENTERS,
PAVILIONS, SPORTS FIELDS, AND SO ON. ADDITIONALLY, THE POLICY INTRODUCES CLEARER GUIDELINES REGARDING
CANCELLATION FEES, CLEANUP RESPONSIBILITIES, AND STAFF SCHEDULING REQUIREMENTS FOR AFTER HOURS EVENTS. 
          ULTIMATELY, THESE UPDATED FEES WILL GENERATE THE REVENUE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE ONGOING
MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF LOCAL PARKS AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S THAT'S THE IDEA. TO NOT OTHERWISE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET SUBSIDIZES
THOSE ACTIVITIES. 
          WE WELCOME THE PUBLIC'S AND THE COMMISSION 'S INPUT IN ADVANCE OF BRINGING THESE FEES BACK
VIA ORDINANCE AT A FUTURE MEETING. 
          THE CITY HAS PUBLISHED A RECENT JOINT SUMMARY OF,
I'M SORRY, THE RECENT JOINT BEACH CITY MANAGER'S BEACHES WATCH PRESENTATION, 
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AS WELL AS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SUMMARY OF THE OTHER 2026 LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS ON MUNICIPAL
OPERATIONS. 
          AND THIS IS, OF COURSE, PRIMARILY ADDRESSING THE LEGISLATURE,
BRINGING THE MATTER OF OF INCREASED PROPERTY TAX HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, WHICH SEEMS TO BE INEVITABLE. 
          WE'RE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'LL ALL BE GOING TO THE POLLS TO DECIDE THIS
ISSUE IN NOVEMBER VIA REFERENDUM. 
          AS FAR AS THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE,
CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER BUILDING AND PARKING LOT IS ANTICIPATED FOR COMPLETION AROUND AUGUST 1ST, WITH A JOINT GRAND OPENING IN THE FALL AND TO ENSURE THAT
THE COMMUNITY GARDEN IS SUCCESSFUL LONG TERM, THE CITY ENVISIONS BRINGING LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS LIKE BEAM TO THE PLANNING TABLE,
AND RESIDENTS WILL SOON BE INVITED TO HELP DEFINE THE PROGRAMING AND OPERATIONAL STRATEGY FOR THE MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          PRE-PRODUCTION CODE UPDATE. THE CITY, OF COURSE,
IS UPDATING THE CODE THROUGH A TWO PHASE APPROACH DESIGNED TO PRIORITIZE IN THE FIRST PHASE OF PRESERVATION OF ITS OLD GROWTH MARITIME FOREST,
SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING ON OUR ICONIC LIVE OAKS. 
          UNDER THE DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR PHASE 1 THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKETS THAT WILL BE
CONTEMPLATED AT A FUTURE MEETING, HOPEFULLY JUNE 22ND, WE PROPOSE TO DISINCENTIVIZE CLEARCUTTING. 
          WE ALSO ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE THE POSSIBILITY OF MANDATING DOUBLE MITIGATION FOR THE
UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL OF THESE PROTECTED SPECIMENS. FURTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THIS IN THIS ORDINANCE
TO SECURE CERTIFIED ARBORIST STATEMENT OF INFEASIBILITY TO JUSTIFY TREE REMOVALS AND MUST ADHERE,
IF APPROVED, TO A NEW 30 DAY TIME OUT REVIEW PERIOD PENDING PENDING LEGAL REVIEW. REVIEW WILL HAVE THIS ON YOUR AGENDA AT THE NEXT MEETING AND PLEASE TO THE
COMMISSION, TO THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR PUBLIC INPUT AND YOUR INPUT IN THE MEANTIME. 
          AS FOR MAYPORT ROAD BEFORE YOU. YES. YEAH. GO AHEAD. 
          I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. 
          YEAH. I'M SORRY. NO, I LOVE I LOVE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          AND TO STRENGTHEN THE CODE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT,
YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'RE BETTING BETTING THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT OPENING A CAN OF WORMS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO DO
VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST SPINNING OUR WHEELS HERE. 
          I WANTED TO HAVE SOME TEETH. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE RIGHT. 
          TAKING ALL THOSE STEPS TO MAKE SURE IT'LL, IT'LL STAND UP AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO
EASILY CHALLENGED BY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, STATING STATE LAW. 
          THANKS. MR. GABRIEL INDEED IS ABOUT TO DIG IN. 
          AND THIS THIS EXERCISE IN PHASE 1 PROBABLY ISN'T AS COMPREHENSIVE AS IN TERMS OF HIM
REVIEWING AS PHASE 2 WOULD BE. 
          OKAY. MR. GABRIEL AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU,
FIRST OF ALL, FOR CONTINUING THIS PROCESS AND MOVING IT FORWARD. 
          I DO I, I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO SOME CHECKING ON TREE DIAMETERS,
SPECIFICALLY TREES THAT WE PLANTED ALONGSIDE PLAZA. AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO THAT IF WE DO EMBED A NUMBER, I, I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS WE'VE BEEN
LOOKING AT VARIOUS CODE AROUND THE STATE AND DIFFERENT CITIES. 
          MANY CITIES HAVE NOTHING CLEARLY, BUT SOME WHO HAVE SOME PRETTY STRINGENT CODE USE BIGGER
TREES TO DRIVE THE MOST RESTRICTIVE OF THE CODE. AND WHEN I SAY BIGGER,
LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A 50 INCH DBH DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT. 
          AND YET IN CONVERSATION WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE QUITE MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM ON THIS WHEN
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLD GROWTH OAKS THAT ARE CENTRAL OR OFF THE ISLAND NOT IN ANY OF THE BARRIER ISLANDS. 
          OFTEN THEY GET MUCH BIGGER AND ARE SCRUB OAKS OR BLACKJACK OAKS THAT ARE HERE ON THE
ISLAND OFTEN CAN BE MUCH OLDER THAN THEY LOOK. 
          BASED ON DBH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M WELL AWARE OF. 
          ONE OF THE MOST STRINGENT CODES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS IN ALACHUA COUNTY AT 50IN DBH
AND. 
          AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT MAYBE GOING TO 20 INCH DBH. 
          AND I WANT TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL THAT WE NOT OVERREACH,
AT LEAST ON THE FIRST PASS. 
          SO I WANT THAT CONSIDERED. AND THEN FINALLY I,
I REALLY WANT THE FOCUS TO BE, I, I'M HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF IT NOW, BUT I WANT IT TO ACTUALLY COME BACK TO US IN A WRITTEN FORM. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE TREES THAT ARE IN SETBACKS? 
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TO TRY TO TRY TO SAVE AS MANY CLEARLY PROPERTY RIGHTS WOULD DICTATE THAT A PROPERTY OWNER
HAS THE ABILITY OR SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD A NORMAL HOUSE ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT IF, IF OUR SIDE SETBACKS ARE A COLLECTIVE OF 15FT,
AND IT COULD BE SEVEN AND A HALF, 7 AND A HALF ON EACH SIDE OR TEN AND FIVE WHEN WE GET A SET OF PLANS AND IT'S 7 AND A HALF
AND 7 AND A HALF OR IT'S 5 AND 10, BUT BUT IT'S ON THE WRONG SIDE WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE OUT TREES. 
          WHERE DO WE PUT SOME FRICTION IN? OKAY. IF THERE IS THE ABILITY UNDER THE SETBACK CODES OR
THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ANYWAYS, TO PRESERVE TREES WE NEED TO PUT SOME FRICTION IN THERE. 
          WE DO NOT NEED TO PUT EXCESS FRICTION IN TREES THAT ARE RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF A
FOOTPRINT OF A HOUSE. 
          BUT ON THE PERIMETER, SIDES AND FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS,
WE CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO I WANT SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT AND POSSIBLY TEXT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DISCUSS
IT. 
          THANK YOU. OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT CHANGE POTENTIALLY FOR THE FIRST PHASE OR THE
SECOND? YEAH. AND THAT'S FOR THIS COMMISSION . I HOPE YOU HEAR WHAT CITY MANAGER JUST SAID. 
          I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE SO FAR THAT WE LEAVE A GOOD PORTION OF THIS TO LATER SO WE DON'T
GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS. 
          BUT REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE MACK DADDY BIGGEST,
BADDEST, MOST IMPORTANT TREE IN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          AND THAT'S THE LIVE OAK. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDEWAYS ON ALL EVERY OTHER TREE. 
          I WANT TO DO SOME PROTECTION ON THE OLD GROWTH LIVE OAKS AND WHAT DBH IS THAT AND SO ON. 
          BUT I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE DIALOG TODAY OF PUTTING IN SOME RESTRICTIONS WITHIN SETBACKS,
WITHIN NORMAL SETBACKS ON THOSE TREES THAT EXAMPLE ONE THING IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REQUIREMENT THAT I GIVE YOU A GREAT
EXAMPLE. 
          LET'S SAY THAT PROPERTY OWNER WAS TAKING 7 AND A HALF AND 7 AND A HALF ON THE SIDE
SETBACKS. 
          AND THERE'S A TREE IN THAT SIDE SETBACK. THAT'S AN OLD GROWTH TREE. 
          AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE, THE ROOTS ARE GOING TO GO OUT AS FAR AS THE CANOPY OF THAT
TREE, RIGHT? SO THE ROOTS ARE HALFWAY UNDER THE HOUSE. 
          WHAT'S THE ABILITY TO SAVE THAT TREE? I DON'T KNOW,
I'M NOT THE ARBORIST, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE IN THIS CASE, IT'S REASONABLE FOR THEM TO BE ASKED TO TRY TO DESIGN ARCHITECTURALLY A FOOTPRINT THAT
GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE RELIEF AROUND THAT TREE. 
          AND TO THE BUILDER IN THE ROOM, I OR SEVERAL BUILDERS IN THE ROOM,
I GET IT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S TOUGH. THAT RUNS UP THE COST OF OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE UNDERSTAND. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT SOME FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM,
WHICH COULD BE A DELAY AND AND OR ACTION BY THE CITY COMMISSION . 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT A REALLY OLD TREE,
A 200 YEAR OLD TREE AND, OR THAT THE MITIGATION FEES ARE, ARE INCREASED BY A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. SO I LEAVE IT UP TO THIS BODY TO DELIBERATE THAT I
JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE THE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. THANKS. YES, SIR. JUST A QUESTION, A HISTORY QUESTION. 
          HAVE HAVE WE SEEN IN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          HAVE WE GO ON, YOU KNOW HAVE WE SEEN PEOPLE MESSING WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY? MESSING IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT AS FAR AS TREE,
SHRUB, ETC., ETC., BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU AND I'VE SEEN THE CHART WHERE YOU OVERLAY THE RIGHT OF WAY,
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS, IT'S EXTENSIVE AND A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVOLVE THAT. 
          IS THERE A HISTORY WE COULD LOOK AT THERE OR MAYBE A VISUAL NEXT TIME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
THIS, YOU KNOW MISS ASKEW, OF COURSE, IS OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS TOPIC. 
          AND AND IF THE COMMISSION ER AND, AND COMMISSION WILL INDULGE ME MAY I CALL HER UP? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. THANKS. AND PERHAPS WE CAN ADDRESS,
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOT SYSTEM ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND OR EVEN
THE CANOPY. 
          I WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY, BOTH FROM MISS ASKEW AND THE COMMISSION . 
          HI. GOOD EVENING, AMANDA ASKEW, NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. 
          YOU WERE ASKING FOR A MAP THAT WOULD OVERLAY THE TREES REMOVED OR THE CANOPY UPON THE
RIGHT OF WAY. 
          CAN WE GET BOTH? WE HAVE IT. WE CAN. IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. 
          CAN YOU COME UP WITH. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY,
IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN I EVER THOUGHT. 
          RIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME,
PEOPLE HAVE PLANTED, REMOVED, BUILT YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAYS, ETC., ETC.. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY CAN DIG INTO TODAY,
RIGHT? THAT'S AN IMPACT WE CAN MAKE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE EYE OPENING IF WE ALL SAW THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO A TON OF WORK, BUT I THINK THAT CHART AND I,
MR. 
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KILLINGSWORTH HAD IT, SO I KNOW IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE PUT THAT UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT,
THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL, I'M KIND OF WONDERING IF WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO ALL THIS TROUBLE FOR LIVE OAKS. 
          CAN'T WE JUST SAY ANY OTHER TREE OF A CERTAIN SIZE. 
          WELL, SHE CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I'LL ANSWER THAT. 
          OF COURSE YOU CAN. IT'S JUST WE'VE GONE TO ALL THE TROUBLE TO,
LIKE, DEFINE THIS, SO WHY DON'T WE, WHILE WE'RE AT IT, JUST ADD ANY OTHER BIG TREES. 
          YOU YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THAT. I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I THINK AND
HERE'S WHY. 
          AND I'VE MADE THIS CLEAR BEFORE. LIVE OAKS CAN LIVE 4 AND 500 YEARS. 
          A WATER OAK LIVES 80, SOMETIMES ONLY 60 YEARS. 
          WE MIGHT NOT BE HERE. THEN WHAT FOR? THE FOR THE LIVE OAKS. 
          ON AN ISLAND? YEAH. NO, NO, BUT WELL, BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS THIS THE THE LIVE OAKS ARE
SO SPECIAL BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OLDEST GROWTH TREE IN THIS CITY, AM I CORRECT? MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN OLDER CYPRESS,
BUT WE DON'T. 
          THEY'VE ALL BEEN CUT DOWN, THE OLDEST ONES, BUT LIVE OAK IS THE OLDEST. 
          WE HAVE LIVE OAKS IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THAT WERE HERE WHEN COLUMBUS CAME TO
AMERICA. 
          SO, YES. YEP. ONE THING FOR OUR CITY MANAGER,
I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          YOUR CALL THAT WE HAVE THE ARBORIST IN HERE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I'D I'D LIKE TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYE AND AND ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS THAT I'M NOT SMART
ENOUGH ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT I THINK HE PROBABLY IS. THANKS. AND LET ME ANSWER. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY WITH ONE LAST THING I, I ENVISION EVOLUTION ON CODE OVER TIME,
SO I'M NOT AGAINST LOOKING AT OTHER TREES. I OBVIOUSLY AM PREDISPOSED DISPOSITION TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME
TREATMENT AS A LIVE OAK BECAUSE IT'S THE REASONS I STATED. 
          BUT I'M JUST ASKING THIS COMMISSION NOT TO GO TOO FAR,
TOO FAST. 
          LET'S TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE CAN'T REPLACE IN 3 LIFETIMES. 
          THAT'S A LIVE OAK. THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I MAY CONTINUE. 
          AND I WILL ABBREVIATE THIS REPORT ON MAYPORT ROAD. 
          FDOT CONTRACTOR IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN WORK NEXT MONDAY,
JUNE 15TH. 
          THE CITY HAS PUBLISHED THE DETAILS ON ITS COMMUNICATIONS PLATFORMS. THE FDOT CURRENT SCHEDULE TARGETS COMPLETING BY FALL OF 2027. 
          AS FAR AS LANE CLOSURES, NO LANE CLOSURES WILL BE PERMITTED DURING PEAK HOURS,
WHICH IS DEFINED AS 6 A.M. 
          TO 8 P.M. AND CONSTRUCTION WILL PRIMARILY OCCUR OVERNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. 
          IN TERMS OF THE THE WATER RESTRICTION ISSUE WHILE THE COJ RECENTLY LIFTED ITS TEMPORARY
OUTDOOR BURN BAN IN DUVAL COUNTY THE UNDERLYING DROUGHT CRISIS IS FAR,
FAR FROM RESOLVED. 
          IN REALITY, IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 30IN OF SUSTAINED RAIN OVER THREE MONTHS JUST TO
ALLEVIATE OUR CURRENT DEFICIT. 
          SO WE'RE STILL ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE REGULATIONS. 
          AND I'M ALMOST DONE. WHEN I REPORT ON THE ON ON HOW IT'S GOING WITH OUR ENTERPRISE
RESOURCE PLANNING PLATFORM. 
          THE CITY OFFICIALLY WENT LIVE WITH OUR CLOUD BASED SYSTEM IN FEBRUARY. 
          EMPLOYEES HAVE ADAPTED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL TO THE HR MODULE UTILIZING DIGITAL TIMESHEETS
AND SELF-SERVICE FEATURES TO STREAMLINE PAYROLL. 
          ON THE PUBLIC FACING SIDE, THE NEW PAYMENT PORTAL HAS DRIVEN A MEASURABLE SURGE IN
RESIDENTS SIGNING UP FOR AUTOMATIC BANK DRAFTS AND EMAILED BILLS. 
          THIS IS FOR FOR OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES. AT THE SAME TIME,
CUSTOMERS NOW ENJOY UNPRECEDENTED TRANSPARENCY BY LOGGING IN TO MONITOR REAL TIME PLAN REVIEWS AND INSPECTION STATUSES. AND THANKS TO OUR STRICTER SOFTWARE SUBMISSION
PROTOCOLS, THE CITY HAS MORE COMPLETE PERMIT PACKAGES UP FRONT,
WHICH IS EXPECTED TO LOWER OVERALL RESUBMISSION RATES. 
          BUILDING REVIEWS ARE MOVING MORE EFFICIENTLY,
AND TRANSITIONING PENSIONERS TO ELECTRONIC MONTHLY STUBS IS ALREADY SAVING THE CITY MONEY AND MOVING FORWARD. WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO TO OPTIMIZE OUR FUNCTIONALITY AND
RESOLVE SOME REMAINING INEFFICIENCIES. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS,
THIS EXCITING WAY OF DOING BUSINESS AT CITY HALL, MOST OF WHICH IS TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND FINALLY, FOR THIS REPORT, THE CITY IS RECEIVING RESIDENT INQUIRIES ABOUT THE HEAVILY
THE HEAVY ACCUMULATION UNUSUALLY HEAVILY OF SEAWEED ON THE BEACH. WHILE THE VOLUME IS HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS YEARS AND THE. 
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AND THE ODOR IS MUCH MORE INTOLERABLE THAN PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          THE CITY IS INDEED LETTING THE NATURAL TITLE CYCLES MANAGE THE COAST RATHER THAN DEPLOYING
HEAVY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. 
          THIS IS A BEST PRACTICE ENVIRONMENTALLY AND OTHERWISE,
AND ALSO RESULTS IN NOT SPENDING NEARLY AS MUCH MONEY AS, SAY, SOME OF THE BIG CITY TOURIST AREAS ALONG THE COAST IN SOUTH FLORIDA. 
          PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK DID WE SKIP THE CALENDAR? WE DID. WOULD YOU LIKE APPROVAL ON THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? YES, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU. SO, COMMISSIONERS,
HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE 90 DAY CALENDAR? ANY CORRECTIONS CHANGES REQUESTS? HEARING NONE. 
          YOU HAVE A CALENDAR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS AND REQUESTS FROM CITY
COMMISSIONERS. 
          [4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
AND I'M GOING TO ASK MAY I ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE? COMMISSIONERS, MAY I START FIRST? I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          WHAT I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FIRST. 
          IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS KIND OF A 5 MONTH REPORT. 
          IT'S. IT'S 5 MONTHS AGO THAT MR. HOGENCAMP STEPPED INTO THE ROLE OF OF INTERIM CITY
MANAGER. 
          AND SOME OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE SAID WE SHOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY MOVED MR. HOGENCAMP INTO THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER POSITION. 
          AT THE TIME, I DISAGREED. AND AND THROUGHOUT THE 5 MONTHS I CONTINUED THAT I COULDN'T
SUPPORT IT FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT IN THE IN THE MIDDLE. AND THE REASON IS,
I BELIEVE WE NEEDED TO SEE THE PERFORMANCE AT A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL TO JUSTIFY CIRCUMVENTING A PROCESS OF SOURCING OUTSIDE CANDIDATES. SO I PERSONALLY,
AND I KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS, EACH OF YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DILIGENCE, BUT I HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH MR. HOGENCAMP FOR THESE PAST 5 MONTHS, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME OBSERVATIONS. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP HAS GOTTEN MORE DONE IN 5 MONTHS THAN WE'VE GOTTEN DONE IN 2 YEARS. 
          MY OPINION HE RIGHT SIZED US ON THE ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR SISTER CITY IN NEPTUNE BEACH,
AND SPECIFICALLY THE ONGOING DIALOG ABOUT THE PARKING. YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING COMING TO YOU,
I BELIEVE, AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR RATIFICATION TO CONTINUE US THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR STATUS QUO. AND THEN WE'LL MEET AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT GOING FORWARD. 
          BUT MR. HOGENCAMP HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THAT. 
          HE HAS MOVED THE AGENDA ON THE REPLACEMENT OF THE STREET LIGHTS IN TOWN CENTER,
AND THAT'S ON GO AND SHOULD BE HAPPENING WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          HE HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL. HE AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ON MOVING THE BALL ON THE
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT STUDY, WHICH WAS OUTSOURCED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THAT'S MOVING ALONG. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL THIS WEEK. WE WILL BE ON SCHEDULE FOR HAVING THAT DONE,
I BELIEVE, AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR OUR DIALOG WITH THE CITY OF OF JACKSONVILLE. HE ASSISTED AND OBTAINED A RENEWAL OF THE $750,000 REDUCTION ON THE JFRD
AGREEMENT. 
          HE HAS ABSOLUTELY BROUGHT TRANSPARENCY ON COMMISSION AGENDAS,
TRANSPARENCY, AND CITY WEBSITE AND TRANSPARENCY IN CITY COMPLAINT RESOLUTION. 
          THE BASEBALL CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT IS DONE. CHECK. 
          THE FARMER'S MARKET AGREEMENT IS DONE. CHECK. 
          HE'S PROMOTED MATT KRUG TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT PROMOTION. 
          HERE'S ONE THAT I THINK IS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME,
AND I HOPE IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMISSION . 
          I, AS WE EVOLVE IT FINALLY INTO THE 21ST 21ST CENTURY. 
          IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT OUR PROCESSES AND. COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS UP RECENTLY ABOUT OUR. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NOTED FROM THE FORMER CITY MANAGER IS HE WAS GOOD AT DEVELOPING
PROCESS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PROCESS. 
          AND SO MR. HOGENCAMP HAS WORKED ON THE PROCESS FOR THE 20TH STREET LIFT STATION
RESOLUTION, BUT NOT JUST FOR 20TH STREET. IT'S A PROCESS THAT WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD ON ALL OF OUR
LIFT STATIONS AND ACTUALLY BE WORKABLE OR USABLE WITHIN ANYTHING DEALING WITH FEMA AND FLOOD ZONES. 
          AND TO THAT END, HE ENGAGED THE HEAD ENGINEER AT JEA THEY'VE BEEN,
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THIS UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN TELLING THEM 1 ON 1 ON 1S, BUT MR. HOGENCAMP HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEIR ENGINEER. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GOT A MEETING OR CALL WITH HIM THIS COMING WEEK. 
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BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WE DO WHAT'S REQUIRED TODAY FOR OUR CITIZENS. 
          AND I THINK ABOUT OUR VISION AND OUR CULTURE AND OUR THE WAY WE LOOK AT OUR CITY AND,
AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RESPECT OUR TREE CANOPY AND, AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE'RE ON OUR DAILY WALKS AND
RIDES. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE,
OUR VISIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT A PROCESS FOR LIFT STATIONS,
IT'S NOT A VERY SEXY TOPIC. 
          BUT BUT LIFT STATIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE UGLY. THEY CAN BE PROPERLY DESIGNED WITH PROPER
FENCING AND, AND LANDSCAPING AND SO ON. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PROCESS RESULTS ON THAT. 
          BUT I WAS IN A MEETING WITH MR. HOGENCAMP THIS WEEK AND THIS IS,
THIS IS WHERE THINGS HAVE RADICALLY CHANGED, IN MY VIEW OF THE PERFORMANCE OF INTERIM CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP IS. 
          I WATCHED HIM HANDLE A VERY TOUGH SITUATION. IT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR 2 AND A HALF YEARS WITH
THE CITIZENS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT. 
          I'M NOT GIVING NAMES HERE, BUT THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO US MULTIPLE TIMES IN
THIS COMMISSION CHAMBER. 
          AND THE WAY YOU HANDLED THAT MEETING WAS NOT ONLY EXCELLENT,
BUT WHAT I LEARNED FROM THAT ALSO IS THE WAY MR. HOGENCAMP DELEGATED RESPONSIBILITY TO FORGIVE ME. 
          IN THIS CASE, ANGELA. ANGELA IS IS A VERY I ALWAYS HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT. 
          AND SHE IS A GEM FOR OUR CITY AS WELL. BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS BETWEEN THE 2 OF THEM
AND MOSTLY MOSTLY ANGELA, BUT AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. HOGENCAMP THEY PUT TOGETHER A PRELIMINARY PROCESS AND ACTION
PLAN THAT WAS MOST PLEASING TO ME. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT WAS MOST PLEASING TO THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED FOR 2
AND A HALF YEARS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP HAS SECURED OVER $1 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH
CONGRESSIONAL OR CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD TO REBUILD OUR DUNE WALKOVERS. 
          HE HAS ANOTHER 1 MILLION PLUS APPROVED IN TALLAHASSEE. 
          AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T VETO ANY OF IT. 
          HE JUST LAST WEEK ATTENDED CITY MANAGER TRAINING IN ORLANDO. 
          I GOT I'VE GOT A LONG LIST. I'M GOING TO STOP HERE. 
          I WANT TO JUST SAY THIS MR. HOGENCAMP, IN MY OBSERVATION OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS,
ESPECIALLY BUT CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS HAS SHOWN ME THAT HE'S NOT JUST A CITY MANAGER,
HE IS A LEADER. 
          AND SO AS A 12 YEAR RESIDENT OF AB, I BELIEVE HE KNOWS THE CITY'S VISION INSIDE AND OUT. 
          HE UNDERSTANDS THE CHARACTER OF OUR SEASIDE COMMUNITY. 
          HE IS ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THESE REASONS,
I PERSONALLY WANT TO RECOMMEND TO THIS COMMISSION TONIGHT THAT WE CONSIDER HIRING MR. HOGENCAMP AS THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER SUBJECT TO PRODUCTION,
SUBJECT TO HIS ACCEPTANCE, BUT SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT ON A ON AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT IN THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT TO
BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          AND SO I ASK COMMISSIONER BOLE, WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO MOVE THIS ACTION? YES, BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT I WAS VOTED DOWN TWICE ON THIS. 
          I KNOW TIMING IS EVERYTHING. I'M JUST. WELL,
ARE YOU. 
          I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE. YEAH, I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY, SO YOUR MOTION. MOTION TO PERMIT. MAKE MR. HOGENCAMP, THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER GOING FORWARD. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER. I TOO HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THE WORK OF KEVIN OVER THE PAST 5 MONTHS. 
          MY ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE DECIDED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF MONTHS THAT,
AND I TOOK OUT A LOT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE CONSULTANT FIRMS AS WELL AS HUMAN RESOURCES. AND I WANT TO SEE A POLICY SPEAKING OF POLICY
IN PLACE FOR HIRING THE CITY MANAGER. MY HOPE AT THIS TIME, AND HONESTLY,
KEVIN IS THE ONLY APPLICANT WE HAVE FOR CITY MANAGER, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT HE DOES RISE TO THE VERY TOP OF THAT. 
          BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS COMMISSION SAID WE DO AND I SAY WE FOLLOW SUIT. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. 1 THING THAT THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION,
MAYOR, WAS THAT KEVIN'S HOLDING DOWN 2 JOBS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. HE'S HOLDING DOWN HIS PREVIOUS JOB, HE'S HOLDING DOWN THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER JOB. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLARS, OKAY. AS A CITIZEN OF WHAT WOULD I AS A CITIZEN WANT? 
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I'VE GOT AN EXPERIENCED GUY. I, YOU KNOW, WE I GOT CUT OFF WHEN I TRIED TO SHOW YOU THE
MONTHS THAT HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE JOB AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT HE HAS. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE HAS. I'VE MADE MY POSITION CLEAR. 
          I THINK I WAS UP READY TO TALK ABOUT THE THE COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE
SEARCH. 
          SOME OF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME ON WHAT THAT COST,
BUT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          SURE. PUT IT THAT WAY. MANY CITIES HAVE PROGRAMS WHERE THEIR DEPUTY,
GUESS WHAT WE CALL IT THE NAVY FLEETING UP. 
          THEY GET THE JOB RIGHT AS THE, THE THE OTHER GUY LEAVES. 
          WE'VE GOT A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE. AND,
AND I KNOW THE, THE RESOURCE THAT KEVIN IS AND, BUT LET'S LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY. OKAY. THERE'S OTHER CITIES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE
LOOKING FOR A CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? I CAN NAME 2 AT LEAST THAT ARE WITHIN 50 MILES,
MAYBE LESS. 
          I'M WORRIED THAT I'M GOING TO WRITE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR KEVIN TO BE A CITY MANAGER
SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT ATLANTIC BEACH, AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT LOSS TO THIS CITY. SO HEY,
AGAIN, I'M SPEARHEADED. 
          I'VE BEEN VOTED DOWN. I, I GET IT, BUT I SEE THE SAME THINGS. 
          I HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT CALL ME, EMAIL ME, TALK TO ME AND SAY WHAT KIND OF JOB? I'M WORRIED ON THE OTHER END OF THIS EQUATION. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW HAVING GONE THROUGH IT 2 OR 3 TIMES,
HOW LONG IT TAKES, RIGHT? KEVIN IS A VALUABLE COMMODITY TO THIS CITY. AND I THINK EVEN IF WE SAID,
HEY, KEVIN'S A CITY MANAGER. 
          HEY, GO AHEAD AND GIVE HIM YOU KNOW, CHECKS ALONG THE WAY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          BUT AS A CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS 3 VOTES,
RIGHT? AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND. WE KNOW THE STATISTICS,
SO I CAN'T ENDORSE THAT MORE. 
          THE MAYOR AND I MAY DISAGREE ON THE WAY WE GOT HERE. 
          OKAY. BUT BUT I'LL TELL YOU I THINK WE DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. 
          I THINK WE DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TAXPAYER. AND I THINK WE DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE
CITIZENS. 
          I'M DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I'M SAYING DO IT TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. MAKE HIM THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER BECAUSE HE EARNED IT. 
          OKAY. WELL, SINCE YOU ASKED ME, I MEAN. SO, COMMISSIONER KELLY YOUR YOUR COMMENTS ONE OF
MY COMMENTS IS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING. WE AGREED. AND B, HE'S EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS,
BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE A PLAN OR DOESN'T SEEM LOGICAL TO ABANDON THE PLAN JUST BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS IF WE CHOOSE KEVIN,
WE STILL NEED A DEPUTY. 
          AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THEM? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ON WHETHER WE DO NEED A DEPUTY
CITY MANAGER. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION TO BE DISCUSSED. I SEE YOU HAVE A POINT THERE,
COMMISSIONER. 
          ROGER THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S THERE'S AND I THINK KEVIN WOULD TELL YOU THIS THERE'S
THINGS HE DID, ESPECIALLY WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, WITH SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE WE NEED A DIFFERENT KIND OF PERSON. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY, HEY, THERE'S THERE'S COMPANIES THAT ARE CHEAPER THAN THIS WILL DO
ANALYSIS OF WHAT YOUR CITY DOES, WHO DOES WHAT TO WHOM, ETC., ETC. AND WE COULD FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          BUT TODAY WE'VE GOT A GUY THAT'S DOING BOTH. AND,
YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FIGURE THAT OUT AFTER WE GIVE HIM SOME SECURITY AND WE TELL HIM WHAT HE MEANS TO THE CITY. SO LET ME. OH,
YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO I, I HAVE THE SAME SENTIMENT THAT MAYOR FORD DOES. 
          I MEAN, IN THE EARLY GOING YOU KNOW, I WAS, YOU KNOW,
WANTING TO SEE MORE FROM KEVIN AND AND SEE HIM PERFORM IN THE JOB. AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T ALL ON BOARD INITIALLY WITH COMMISSIONER
BOWLES RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE NEEDED TIME. RIGHT. I ALSO APPRECIATE, THOUGH,
THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY AND RING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID AGREE TO A PROCESS. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GOING TO USE, YOU KNOW,
CORPORATE AMERICA AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, HR DEPARTMENTS HAVE HIRING PROCEDURES IN PLACE,
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS FLUID. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND MANY TIMES IT'S THROWN OUT THE WINDOW IF THEY THINK THEY FIND THE RIGHT
GUY. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP INTERVIEWING PEOPLE IF THEY THINK THEY FOUND THE
RIGHT GUY. THAT'S THAT'S JUST REALITY. 
          THAT'S LIFE. SO I'VE SEEN MORE OUT OF KEVIN. I WAS,
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT 
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SURE. I THINK I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SEE YOU KNOW,
A RECRUITING FIRM COME IN HERE AND, AND TELL US WHAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MAYOR BOARD HAS ALREADY TOLD US,
AND THAT I KNOW THAT HE'S WORKED CLOSELY WITH KEVIN MORE THAN ANY OF US. 
          AND IF IF MAYOR FORD THINKS HE'S READY I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU ON THAT. SO I LET ME SAY THIS. 
          IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HIRE FROM OUTSIDE THAT WE REALLY
WANT A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE DECISION. 
          IT WILL CONCERN ME IF I CAN'T CONVINCE YOU TO BE UNANIMOUS ON THIS VOTE,
BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE CITIZENS HERE AND ANYBODY LISTENING WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF
CONVENING OUTSIDE OF THESE CHAMBERS AND CHATTING ABOUT THINGS AND, AND, AND WORKING THROUGH IT BEFORE WE COME HERE. 
          SO ALL OF THIS IS BRAND NEW. AND I, I SPRUNG MY POSITION ON ALL FOUR OF YOU COMMISSIONERS
TONIGHT, BUT HERE'S WHY I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT I WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THIS PATH A MONTH AGO. 
          I CERTAINLY COULDN'T GO DOWN THIS PATH 5 MONTHS AGO. 
          I HAVE IT'S IN RECENT WEEKS THAT I'VE JUST REALLY COME TO REALIZE FIRST OF ALL,
MR. HOGENCAMP DID NOT NEED TO GO TO THE TRAINING IN ORLANDO A WEEK AGO. 
          HE DIDN'T NEED TO, TO GO THE EXTRA MILE ON THINGS. 
          HE HAS BEEN WORKING HIS REAR OFF AND HE DIDN'T DO IT JUST FOR THE FIRST MONTH. 
          AND THIS WAS MY CONCERN. I, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY IN THE FIRST,
SECOND, THIRD MONTH THAT IF HE SUDDENLY EXCELLED, THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO TEAR UP THE RESOLUTION ON SEEKING A AN OUTSIDE SEARCH FIRM. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE WRONG MESSAGE TO SEND TO THE CANDIDATE IS THAT YOU CAN WORK HARD,
REAL FAST, AND WIN THE JOB. HE NEEDED TO THINK THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO HEAD TO HEAD,
TOE TO TOE WITH OUTSIDE CANDIDATES TO KEEP IT REAL AND KEEP IT HONEST. 
          AND I, I THINK I JUST KNOW IN MY HEART AND IN MY MIND THAT HE HAS DELIVERED THE BEST HE
CAN. 
          AND IF ANYONE HERE HAS A BETTER CITY MANAGER CANDIDATE OUT THERE,
GO WITH GOD. 
          AND I'M, I'M ALL FOR YOU. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          HE LIVES IN ATLANTIC BEACH. HE HAS A HOME IN ATLANTIC BEACH,
AND I'M MR. BOLE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAVINGS OF HAVING TO PAY HIM EXTRA TO MOVE TO ATLANTIC
BEACH. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE OUR CULTURE HERE IN THIS CITY IS SO UNIQUE. 
          I THINK YOU CAN BRING SOMEBODY FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY AND THEY CAN BE GOD'S GIFT TO BEING A
CITY MANAGER, BUT NOT CONVERT TO THE WAY OF THINKING AND, AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITY CITIZENS OF
THIS CITY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT MR. HOGENCAMP KNOWS WHAT THE CITIZENS IN ATLANTIC BEACH REQUIRE,
AND I THINK HE KNOWS HOW TO DELIVER IT. 
          AND SO THAT KIND OF TRUMPS A NUMBER OF THINGS FOR ME. 
          I BELIEVE THE CITY WILL BE IN GREAT SHAPE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP. 
          BUT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T WORK YOURSELF TO DEATH. 
          SO THAT'S MY ONLY ASK THERE. BUT OTHER COMMENTS? YES. COMMISSIONER JUST LOGISTICS HERE ON MAY 26TH,
WHICH WAS JUST THE PAST COMMISSION MEETING, WE VOTED ON THE RESOLUTION. ARE YOU BRINGING THIS UP NOW TO TAKE ACTION INSTEAD OF AN
INTRODUCTION TO THIS THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD OVER THE COURSE OF 2 WEEKS. MAYOR. SO THAT WE GO AHEAD AND I GUESS,
RECALL THAT VOTE THAT WE TOOK. 
          YEAH. I HAVE THE THE AGREEMENT IN MY BOX FOR SIGNATURE AS THE MAYOR AND THEN THE
CO-SIGNATURE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO IT'S THE DRAFT AGREEMENT READY TO GO. 
          AND SO THIS BECAME MY LAST POSSIBILITY TO THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN PUSHING IT INTO A FULL
FLEDGED SEARCH. SO THAT EXPLAINS THE HASTE BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT. 
          CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOTHING REGARDING KEVIN PERSONALLY. 
          HE'S BEEN FANTASTIC. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS SAID HERE,
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON POLICY SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS WILLY NILLY BACKWOODS KIND OF DEALS WHERE NOT THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CASE IS,
CASES WHERE THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE EVEN PUSHED THROUGH, AND NOT JUST WITH THIS CITY MANAGER, BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE PREACHED LAST TIME THAT WE NEEDED A PROCEDURE AND POLICY IN PLACE FOR
THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH, AND YET THIS TIME I'M PUSHING FOR THAT POLICY AND THAT PROCEDURE TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 
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AND NOW, WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE, WE ARE STOPPING AND HALTING THAT. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER. THAT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY GOT MY GOAT HERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. I IT COMES TO MIND THAT I BELIEVE THAT POLICY SHOULD GUIDE AND INFORM US,
BUT IT SHOULDN'T OWN US. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU GOT ELECTED. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE ON THIS DAIS,
BECAUSE WE HAVE 5 PEOPLE WHO ARE DISCERNING INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN ADJUST EVEN ON THE FLY. AND I, I APOLOGIZE THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ON THE FLY,
BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION, WORTHY ENOUGH FOR ME TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN WHAT I KNOW AND BELIEVE AND ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT ON THIS VOTE. 
          YES. I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE DIRECT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          SO JUST TO GET THIS STRAIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. RIGHT. WHAT THIS VOTE BE BINDING TONIGHT. 
          SAY, SAY WE TAKE A VOTE HERE, KIND OF LIKE COMMISSIONER RING IMPROMPTU. 
          WOULD THAT BE THE BOTTOM LINE? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS
AGREEMENT, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT YOUR OPINION HERE. YEAH,
YOU'RE YOU'RE IN A POSITION, IF YOU LIKE, AND IF YOU DESIRE TO MAKE KEVIN THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU DO,
CERTAINLY DIRECT ME IF YOU WANT TO, I THINK YOU WANTED TO HAVE A CONTRACT PERHAPS PREPARED,
WHICH WILL BE EASY ENOUGH FOR YOUR YOUR DELIBERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          BUT YEAH, YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT. AND IF YOU DO THAT,
YOU HAVE MADE HIM THE PERMANENT. 
          THE CITY MANAGER IS ONE OF THOSE VERY, VERY,
I WOULD SAY, BIG DECISIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AS PART OF YOUR POWERS AND DUTIES. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO ONE THAT YOU IT'S INHERENT TO YOU. 
          SO YOU HAVE THAT POWER AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING,
AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING, YOU CAN PICK YOUR PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER OR, OR DISPOSE OF YOUR PERMANENT CITY MANAGER,
YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS YOUR INHERENT DECISION. 
          YOU CAN DO IT ANY TIME. RIGHT? I, I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WE
SPOKE ABOUT THIS, I CAME IN TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN REDLINED THREE TIMES THAT OUR HR
DEPARTMENT AND OUR PROCUREMENT PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW,
I GUESS I'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR. 
          SOMETIMES YOU DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. AND I THINK THIS IS A CLEAR CUT. 
          SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE'VE GOT A SECOND. AND I GUESS WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW,
BUT YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO BE UNANIMOUS. 
          I WOULD. I WAS HOPING TO GET MINE UNANIMOUS AND WHEN I LOST 4 TO 1. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WAS ALMOST UNANIMOUS. IT WAS YEAH,
I WAS, I WAS THE ONLY ONE UNANIMOUS ON THAT END. 
          BUT BUT I TELL YOU WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE ATLANTIC BEACH FORWARD. 
          AND I THINK I'M GOING TO BE QUIET NOW. AND LIKE I SAID,
I MADE A MOTION, SO. 
          THANK YOU. AND I'LL TAKE OTHER CONVERSATION,
BUT I WILL TAKE IT AWAY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BRING BACK A WRITTEN PROCESS FOR FUTURE EVENTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN PROCESS. 
          BUT AGAIN, I WOULD OBJECT EVEN THEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO AVOID JUST GETTING
CAUGHT UP IN PROCESS, MEANING THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW COMMISSIONER RING HAS SERVED US WELL BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE
ALL THE THINGS TO BE PREPARED TO HIRE THE SEARCH FIRM AND MOVE FORWARD IN THE EVENT THAT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. 
          SO THE QUESTION FOR EACH OF YOU IS, IS THIS THE RIGHT CANDIDATE? I'VE GIVEN YOU PLENTY TO THINK ABOUT, AND YOU HAVE SOME OF YOUR OWN THINGS. 
          BUT THE PROCESS BY NOT TELLING THE CANDIDATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT,
BY TELLING THE THIS CANDIDATE, I SHOULD SAY THAT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH SELECTING A SEARCH FIRM. 
          HE NEVER HAD ANY ILLUSION THAT HE HAD TO EARN THIS. 
          THIS HE, HE MAY IF IF HE'S VOTED UP ON THIS TONIGHT,
THIS MAY BE A GIFT IN HIS MIND. 
          BUT THE POINT IS HE HAD TO EARN IT. THIS ISN'T A GIFT. 
          AND SO WE STAND OR WE SIT HERE TONIGHT. AND I THINK IT IS IN THIS CASE,
THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INTERIM CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP AS OUR PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. MY LAST 1. I KNOW I SAID I WAS GOING TO TALK AGAIN,
BUT REMEMBER THAT WORKING OUT. 
          WELL, GOOD FOR ME. REMEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER IS ONLY AS GOOD AS 3 VOTES,
RIGHT? YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE. YOU CAN YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE GONE
THROUGH. 
          KEVIN HAS DEMONSTRATED HIS COMPETENCE. I'M, I THINK FROM WORKING WITH HIM FOR 6 YEARS,
THAT I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THIS IS A QUALITY MOVE FOR US AND IT'S GOING TO HELP. THINK OF THE TIME THAT WE WOULD SPEND GOING THROUGH THE
HUNT THE CANDIDATES, 
          [00:55:01]
ETC., ETC. AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RING ON A PROCEDURE. 
          I'LL TAKE THAT ONE ON AND WE'LL BRING BACK AND WE'LL PUT A THIS IS HOW WE DO SUCCESSION
WHEN A CITY MANAGER LEAVES, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T THE CITY HASN'T DONE THAT VERY WELL THE LAST COUPLE TIMES,
YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT YOU ALSO SOMETIMES,
YOU KNOW, A GOOD STRIKE COMES DOWN THE MIDDLE AND YOU HAVE TO HIT IT. 
          I AM REALLY DONE THIS TIME. HEARING NO FURTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE BRING IT TO A VOTE. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP, SHOULD YOU BE APPROVED FOR THIS POSITION? ARE YOU. DO YOU WISH TO TAKE THIS POSITION? YES,
SIR. 
          CERTAINLY. HUMBLY. IT'D BE A GREAT HONOR. YES,
SIR. 
          OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. DONNA. CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL,
PLEASE? MR. RING. DID YOU GET TO KICK IT OFF TONIGHT? I REALLY WISH SHE DIDN'T CALL MY NAME FIRST. I'M. 
          I WANT TO HAVE THIS UNANIMOUS. I IT JUST. I AM VERY STUBBORN. 
          JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER BOLE. AND WHEN I SAID NO SO MANY OTHER TIMES. 
          I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN DISCUSSION ANYMORE. I REALLY WANT TO STAND BY MY WORD. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ANY VOTE,
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION THE CITY HAS. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH HOW WE GOT HERE, THOUGH. 
          I'M REALLY NOT. BUT I WILL BE A YES. COMMISSIONER BOLE. 
          DOUBLE YES. OKAY. ONE. A COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          KEVIN, I LOVE YOU. I HATE THE PROCESS. NO. MAYOR. 
          AYE. SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT ON THAT AND MAKING A TOUGH DECISION. 
          I WANT TO SAY THIS ABOUT THE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT THING ABOUT THE DISCERNMENT HERE. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION I DO NOT TAKE UMBRAGE AT ALL. 
          COMMISSIONER RING OR COMMISSIONER KELLY WITH YOUR DECISION. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT DECISION, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOUR DECISION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
WHETHER YOU DO OR DON'T AGREE THAT MR. HOGENCAMP IS DOING A GOOD JOB. SO I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THE PROCESS,
AND AND I COMMISSIONER. 
          KELLY. I KNOW YOU'RE BIG ON PROCESS. THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED YOU EARLIER ON THE PROCESS,
BUT THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO WE'RE UP. CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO. COMMISSIONER REPORTS. I'M GETTING BACK TO OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE. I WAS GOING TO REPORT ON OTHER THINGS AND BUT I,
I APPRECIATE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER MAYOR LOOKING AND DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS
CITY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. KELLY. 
          I AGREE ABOUT THE SEAWEED. MY DOG ALMOST GOT BURIED IN IT. 
          12TH OF JUNE IS WOMEN VETERANS DAY. SO TO MY FELLOW VETERANS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WAS AN EMAIL EARLIER ABOUT A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
AT MARSH OAKS AND THE SINGLETON'S PARK, I GUESS, WITH KEVIN AND, AND COMMISSIONER RING. 
          WELL, HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO, BUT I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE WE
WERE KIND OF COUNTING ON BEING ABLE TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE FOR PARKING, I THINK, FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR THING TO THE COMMISSIONER THROUGH THE
MAYOR. 
          WHAT I SHARED WAS SOME DIALOG. THERE'S SOME EARLY COMMUNICATION. 
          THERE'S NO PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE. SO THERE'S JUST SOME DIALOG WITH THE OWNER OF THAT
PROPERTY ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF SOMETHING THAT WILL RESULT IN A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. 
          BUT WE'RE, WE'RE FAR FROM HAVING SOMETHING FOR ME TO PRESENT TO YOU IF WE EVEN GET THERE. 
          AND FOR MR. DIBIASE, THAT FLAGPOLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT AT THE OCEANFRONT,
YOUR FLAG IS GOING TO GET BEAT TO DEATH. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW FLAG EVERY 6 MONTHS,
JUST SO YOU KNOW. 
          AND IT'S A IT'LL BE A BIG FLAG, I ASSUME. YEAH. 
          [01:00:03]
SO. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER. RING. SO JUNE 1ST, JUST LAST MONDAY,
A SPECIAL SESSION IN OUR STATE LEGISLATION STARTED AND COMMENDED ON JUNE 3RD. 
          THE 2 BIG TAKEAWAYS AND I, I KNOW THAT KEVIN HAS ALREADY SHARED ONE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT
WHICH PREEMPTS EVEN MORE OUR ZONING, LOCAL ZONING RESTRICTIONS. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON,
NOT JUST AS A COMMISSION AND STAFF, BUT ALSO AS CITIZENS. THE SECOND IS THE PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM. 
          JUST LAST WEDNESDAY, OUR CITY MANAGERS AT THE BEACHES MET AND PRESENTED A REALLY THOROUGH
ANALYSIS OF OUR TAXES AND THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN ALL 3 CITIES,
AS WELL AS THROUGH DUVAL COUNTY. 
          AND THERE'S SOME BALDWIN IN THERE TOO, ALTHOUGH THAT CITY MANAGER DID NOT ATTEND. 
          JUST SOME NUMBERS IS AS WE'RE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON HERE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH,
WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP. 
          SO IT'S OF COURSE ALWAYS OPEN TO PUBLIC, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND
WHERE YOUR DOLLARS ARE GOING. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR TRIM, NOTICE IT'S NOT JUST ATLANTIC BEACH,
IT'S TAKING FROM OR UTILIZING THAT AD VALOREM. 
          THERE'S MULTIPLE TAXING AUTHORITIES. SO I JUST ASK CITIZENS TO LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY,
ATTEND OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT THEY START AS THEY START THIS COMING MONTH. BUT AD VALOREM AND MOREOVER, OUR HOMESTEAD AD VALOREM ACCOUNTS FOR 40% OF
ATLANTIC BEACH'S REVENUE OUT OF THAT. ABOUT A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF THAT 40% IS HOMESTEAD TAXES. 
          WE'RE TALKING SOME, SOME BIG CHEDDAR THAT WE WOULD LOSE. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE OUR CITIZENS NOVEMBER OR ALL OF FLORIDA ACTUALLY NOVEMBER
3RD. 
          SO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON IT. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. 
          KEEP AN EYE ON IT. I KNOW WHERE YOUR MONEY GOES AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AND KNOW ALL THE
TAXING AUTHORITIES. 
          THAT'S PART OF THAT TRIM NOTICE. AND, AND ALSO LOOK CAREFULLY AT YOUR LOCAL AND COUNTY
LEVEL GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WILL BE IMPACTED. 
          STATE USES SALES TAX FOR THEIR BUDGET. THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. GRANT. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN OUR COURTESY
OF THE FLOOR TODAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THE THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT WE LEARNED ABOUT THAT MORE ABOUT THAT PROPERTY ON
BEACH AVE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT PICTURES OF IT WASHING AWAY IN THEIR MIND. 
          AND, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE EQUIVALENT, I THINK TO,
YOU KNOW, RUNNING INTO A THEATER AND YELLING FIRE. 
          JUST TO, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOOK AT ME MOMENT AND,
AND TO TRY AND CONVINCE US ON THIS PLAT ISSUE. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS TREMENDOUSLY UNFAIR. AND HEARING THAT FROM PIVOT TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THEY SHOULD BE CELEBRATED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEY ARE CUTTING SOME TREES DOWN, BUT THEY'RE NOT PAYING A MITIGATION FEE. 
          THEY'RE REPLANTING MOST OF THE MOST CONTRACTORS DON'T DO THAT. 
          THEY JUST CUT AND PAY, YOU KNOW. SO HERE WE GOT A HERE WE GOT A GROUP DOING IT RIGHT. 
          AND INSTEAD OF RECOGNIZING FOR DOING IT RIGHT,
WE'RE GOING TO THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS, YOU KNOW, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP THIS, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT ABOUT A,
YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS PLAT DISCUSSION. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW,
IT'S ALSO IRONIC THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING UP AND SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, THEY GOT,
YOU KNOW DRIVEWAYS THAT COULDN'T BE BUILT TODAY. 
          AND I, I'D VENTURE TO, TO WONDER HOW MANY TREES THEY'VE PLANTED SINCE THEY'VE BEEN THERE. 
          SO IN ANY CASE, I, I JUST THINK WE, YOU KNOW,
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FAIR TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE RILED UP FOR THE SAKE OF YOU KNOW,
WHATEVER ISSUE OF THE DAY IS GOING ON. 
          BUT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE HOMEWORK IS DONE BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT PODIUM. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T AND YOU JUST START RAILING ON FOLKS,
I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I'M THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK AND I HAVE SPOKEN
ALREADY, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 5.A PLAT REQUEST DISCUSSION. 
          [5.A. Plat Request Discussion]
MR.. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. 
          [01:05:01]
GABRIEL TO ADDRESS THIS TOPIC AND AND BRING US ALL UP TO DATE. 
          SO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, YOU'VE GOT A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND THIS WAS DONE. 
          OR SHOULD I SAY THIS WAS INSPIRED, I BELIEVE,
BY THE LAST MEETINGS APPLICATION THAT WAS BEFORE YOU IN 2025 OR I'M SORRY, 24 I BELIEVE LEGISLATURE CHANGED PLAT APPROVAL,
DISCRETION AND MADE IT ADMINISTRATIVE OR MINISTERIAL. 
          SO OUR CODE TECHNICALLY IS CONSISTENT. YOU CAN STILL FOLLOW OUR CODE AND APPROVE THESE
THINGS. 
          HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TIME LIMIT THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS IMPOSED A PRETTY,
A PRETTY EFFICIENT QUICK ONE. 
          AND BECAUSE IT'S PURELY MINISTERIAL, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A BIT INCOMPATIBLE WITH YOUR
POSTURE AS A COLLEGIAL BODY. 
          WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS I'VE ALWAYS HAD AN JUST A PRINCIPLED POSITION ON COLLEGIAL BODIES. 
          YOU BY DEFINITION, YOU'RE A BODY THAT DELIBERATES,
CONSIDERS. 
          AND WHILE VARYING DEGREES OF DISCRETION ARE AT HAND DEPENDING ON WHAT'S BEFORE YOU. 
          WHETHER IT'S A REZONING, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS QUASI JUDICIAL VERSUS A LEGISLATIVE POLICY
MATTER, ETC., YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOME LEVEL OF DISCRETION. 
          SO PURELY MINISTERIAL THINGS SHOULD NOT BE BEFORE YOU BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU YOU HAVE TO
VOTE YES ON SOMETHING. 
          YOU HAVE TO VOTE GREEN BECAUSE MAYBE MOST OF YOU WILL LISTEN TO ME,
BUT NOT ALL OF YOU. 
          I KNOW IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND I'VE SEEN IT. 
          SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND AND I BELIEVE TO BE OF UTMOST COMPATIBILITY WITH THE LEGISLATIVE, WITH THE STATE LAW ON THIS ISSUE, THIS ISSUE OF PLATT SUBDIVISION SHOULD BE
ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          IT, IT EMPHATICALLY SHOULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY,
NOT BY YOU. 
          NOW YOU COULD STILL DELIBERATE ON IT AND VOTE ON IT,
BUT I WILL TELL YOU AS LEGAL ON THIS ISSUE, YOU CAN'T DENY IT UNLESS THERE IS A DEFICIENCY,
A TECHNICAL ONE THAT'S BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          AND I REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT THAT AMANDA PUT TOGETHER. 
          VERY WELL DONE AND THOROUGH, JUST LIKE SHE ALWAYS DOES. 
          AND I FOUND NOTHING DEFICIENT AND NOTHING FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO,
IN A DISCRETIONARY MANNER DENY THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION ON. SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS. 
          AND THIS IS NOT FOR YOU DON'T HAVE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY,
BUT I'D ASK THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT IT, CONSIDER IT, IT WILL BE INTRODUCED ON THE RIGHT TIME FRAME WITH NOTICE. 
          SO AMANDA HAS TO TAKE IT TO CDB. THEY BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING CODE CHANGE. 
          AND WHILE WE'RE VERY MUCH JUST BRINGING IT IN LINE WITH STATE LAW,
SHE'S GOT TO TAKE IT TO THE CDB AND THEN BRING IT BEFORE YOU FOR 2 PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          SO THIS WILL BE A SUMMERTIME THING. SO THAT'S WHAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. 
          NOW WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WHAT YOU ALSO DID AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I I DIDN'T
DELIBERATELY MISS, BUT I MISSED. AND MY COUNTERPART WAS HERE ON YOU. 
          I BELIEVE DEFERRED IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO YOU DEFER TO TWO CYCLES. 
          SO IT'LL BE BEFORE THAT. I'M GOING TO THE APPLICATION NOW FOR A MOMENT. 
          THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION WILL BE BEFORE YOU IN TWO WEEKS I BELIEVE ON JUNE 22ND. 
          CORRECT. AND YOU'LL BE IN A POSITION AT THAT TIME TO EITHER APPROVE IT PENDING SOME
DEFICIENCY THAT IS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE EXISTS. 
          OR BETTER PROBABLY YET, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU REMAND THAT TO YOUR,
YOUR PLANNING STAFF. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THAT APPLICATION IS THAT YOU DESIGNATE AMANDA AS THE PLANNING
DIRECTOR. 
          YOU CAN CORRECT MY, THE TITLE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR HER DESIGNEE TO,
I WOULD REMAND THAT APPLICATION TO HER, DESIGNATE HER AS THE AUTHORIZED PERSON AND HAVE HER AT STAFF LEVEL REVIEW,
CONSIDER AND AND DO THE PROCESSING OF THAT AND NOT HAVE IT BEFORE YOU ANY FURTHER. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN LIGHT OF A PENDING
APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND THEN IN LIGHT OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN THE LATER WEEKS SORRY,
I PACKED A LOT IN. 
          NO, NO, NO. SO IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY GO AHEAD AND DO THAT NOW. 
          BUT IS THIS AN ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION,
A SECOND AND A VOTE, OR IS THIS A CONSENSUS AGREEMENT? TO DIRECT IT TO APPOINT A MAN TO ASK YOU AND SHOULD THAT ACTUALLY BE DONE THROUGH THE CITY
MANAGER OR DIRECTLY? WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO DO THAT,
TO DESIGNATE AMANDA AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE TO BE THE PERSON 
          [01:10:02]
AUTHORIZED TO, TO PROCESS THAT APPLICATION AND IN FACT,
ADJUDICATE ON IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION AND A SECOND AND AN ACTION TO DESIGNATE HER AS SUCH. THAT WOULD BE ONE THING WE WOULD DO TO TAKE CARE OF THIS INTERIM ISSUE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WOULD DO IS BECAUSE THAT ITEM HAD BEEN PUSHED TO THE NEXT
MEETING ON THE 22ND, I WOULD, IF YOU DO THAT FIRST STEP AT THE 22ND MEETING IN 2 WEEKS,
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT ITEM B. 
          I'LL COME UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE OR VERBIAGE,
BUT BASICALLY IN SO MANY WORDS, WITHDRAWN. 
          BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD BE IS YOU'RE WITHDRAWING IT AND REMANDING IT TO AMANDA AS THE
DECISION MAKER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THERE'LL BE THE TWO THINGS WE WOULD DO. BUT YOU COULD DESIGNATE
HER TONIGHT IF YOU PLEASE. BUT WOULD, SHOULD WE PUT THE SECOND THING IN THIS MOTION TONIGHT OR JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          PROBABLY I WOULD YOU CAN MENTION THAT THAT'S WHAT'S TO BE ANTICIPATED. 
          BUT I WOULD DO THAT SECOND PART AT THE MEETING ON THE 22ND,
SINCE THAT'S WHEN IT'S GOING TO SURFACE ON YOUR AGENDA, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO HOW DO WE PROTECT AMANDA IF SHE MAKES AN UNPOPULAR DECISION. 
          YOU CAN YOU CAN DESIGNATE ME AS CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE BE SURE THAT SHE LEGALLY CONFORMS TO
THE LAW. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT? IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY COMFORT. 
          IF I MAY JUST ASK YOU, JUST ASK YOU AS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR,
AND SHE MAKES UNPOPULAR DECISIONS EVERY SINGLE DAY, I ASSURE YOU. YES. IN THAT CASE, THOUGH, SAY,
AMANDA DENIED A REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PETITION US FOR TO REVERSE THAT. 
          YEAH. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THAT'S STRAIGHT TO COURT OR TO YOU. 
          USUALLY THERE'S A A VALVE FOR RELIEF. YEAH. THERE IS AN APPEALS PROCESS. 
          I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE CODE. BUT YES,
THEY'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL BE I'M SURE WE'LL BE CONFERRING TO BE SURE. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, SO JUST BECAUSE IT GOES TO AMANDA,
AMANDA WILL ALSO BE EQUALLY, CHARGED WITH ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEWING, CHECKING THE BOX, AND IF IT MEETS ALL THE BOXES,
YOU'LL ACTUALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO APPROVE IT. 
          BUT I'M SURE WE'LL BE IN, IN, IN DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO IF, IF IT'S OKAY, I'M GOING TO RECAP WHAT I THINK I HEARD AND SOMEBODY CAN MOVE IT IF
THEY CHOOSE. 
          THE MOTION IS TO APPOINT AMANDA ASKEW HEAD OF NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT AS THE,
AS THE DESIGNATED PERSON TO HANDLE PLAT REPLAT REQUESTS FOR THE CITY OR HER DESIGNEE AND THAT SHE PROCEED TO DISPATCH OR ACTUALLY PROCEED TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT PLAT REQUEST THAT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION. IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? THAT'S GOOD. SOMEBODY WILL SAY YES. YEAH. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT AND TO MAKE IT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD'S DIRECTOR TO ADMINISTRATIVELY ADMINISTER THE CITY CODE,
ETCETERA, ETCETERA. 
          AND, AND IN REGARDS TO PLATS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          DONNA MIGHT NEED HELP WITH THE ETCETERA. ETCETERA. 
          I'LL WRITE IT DOWN. I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST GOING TO ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAID,
MAYOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. OKAY. IT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND,
AMANDA. 
          THAT'S KIND OF LIKE POST HASTE. DO WHATEVER YOU DO. 
          OKAY. JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY DOESN'T MEAN WE
SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          AND THAT GRANDFATHERING IS HIS GRANDFATHERED. 
          AND IT'S NOT PROMISE THAT YOU CAN GET IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          2. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE AT? HERE? OH,
WELL, THE 6.A SO THIS IS CONSENT AGENDA 6. 
          [6. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY
COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. 
          THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE
CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. 
          SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE
CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. SPECIFICALLY ITEM 6.A APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-73. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION OR ACTUALLY FIRST YOU. YEAH I KNOW. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          HEARING NO REQUESTS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2673. SECOND. 
          [01:15:03]
WE HAVE MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE. ITEM 8.A RESOLUTION OF THE 26-74. 
          [8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 26-74]
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA,
WINNING BID NUMBER 2526-12 FOR WATER TREATMENT. 
          PLANT NUMBER THREE CHLORINATION UPGRADE PROJECT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE
CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THE SEWER GUY WHATEVER HE WANTS. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COMMISSION. 
          THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF FURNISHING THE LABOR MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO TO
DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE EXISTING GAS, CHLORINE TANKS AND THE ALL THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THERE. 
          AND FURNISH AND INSTALL TWO NEW 500 GALLON LIQUID CHLORINE STORAGE TANKS. 
          THIS IS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND THIS CAME WITHIN BUDGET. 
          WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2674. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2674. SECOND WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. 
          ITEM 8.B RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-75. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH,
FLORIDA. 
          [8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 26-75]
APPROVING A FLAGPOLE LOCATED AT ONE OCEAN BOULEVARD IN EXCESS OF 35FT WITH A. 
          NOT TO EXCEED 50 FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH WILL AMEND THAT. 
          CAN WE AMEND THAT ON THE FLY HERE TO THE 55? YEAH,
YOU CAN JUST CORRECT IT THAT IT'S 50. 
          SO CORRECTED TO SAY WITH A NOT TO EXCEED 55 FOOT HEIGHT,
SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THIS RESOLUTION. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU. WITH YOUR INDULGENCE,
I'D LIKE TO ASK IF IT'S OKAY FOR MISS ASKEW TO COME PRESENT THIS MATTER. 
          THANK YOU. HI. GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. 
          SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION. 
          AND THE TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION IS A NOT TO EXCEED 55FT. 
          SO THAT IS IN THE RESOLUTION. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT ONE OCEAN BOULEVARD. 
          IT IS REALLY, TRULY UNIQUE IN THAT IT IS THE ONLY PARCEL SUBJECT TO THE CHARTER LEVEL
EXEMPTION FOR THE HEIGHT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY LIMIT EVERYTHING TO 35FT. 
          THE CHARTER, SPECIFICALLY CHARTER 59, DOES ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SINGLE SITE
SPECIFIC EXCEPTION FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF ONE OCEAN TO EXCEED THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT. 
          IT CAN'T EXCEED THE EXISTING HEIGHT LIMIT OF THE HOTEL. 
          AND THERE'S SOME GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON THAT FOOTPRINT. 
          THE PROPOSED FLAG POLE EXCUSE ME. PROPOSED FLAG POLE IS 55FT AND MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE
EXEMPTIONS LISTED IN CHARTER 59. IT IS A AGAIN ONLY ALLOWED BY THE CHARTER AND AS PART OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER,
IT SAYS THAT THE IT SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND SHALL NO EVENT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING HOTEL TOWER. 
          THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT. THE 55FT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE HOTEL TOWER. 
          AND THEN ONE OF THE EXHIBITS, I BELIEVE IT'S,
IT'S IN HERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A PAGE NUMBER, BUT IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LOCATION. AND IT IS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT
INCREASE FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. COMMISSIONER GRANT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. WHERE IS THE POLE GOING TO BE. 
          I KNOW YOU SHOWED ME A MAP, BUT I DON'T IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          IF YOU ARE UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. IF YOU IMAGINE JUST TO THE WEST OF THE PORT OF
VICE CHAIR. 
          YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ON PAGE 109. YEAH. SO WE,
WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CODE AROUND SIZE OF FLAG. 
          AND I HOPE WE DON'T REGRET NOT HAVING THAT CODE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME FLAGS ON INTERSTATE
95 AT CERTAIN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD. SO BUT THE ONE AT THE LEGION'S IN OKAY SIZE. 
          YEAH. SO, MR. ATTORNEY JUST LET YOUR, YOUR CLIENTS KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN, BUT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION, IT'S IT'S WITHIN OUR CHARTER,
SO. 
          OTHER THOUGHTS. QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AMANDA. 
          OKAY. RECOMMEND WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2675. SECOND THE SECOND GOES TO COMMISSION ER GRANT. 
          SO, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR. 
          SIGNIFY WITH I, I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. PASSED. 
          [8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 26-76]
          [01:20:03]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-76. ITEM 8.C A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH,
FLORIDA. 
          ADOPTING A UNIFORM POLICY FOR PARTICIPATION IN PUBLIC MEETINGS VIA COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA
TECHNOLOGY THAT. 
          CMT ESTABLISHING PHYSICAL QUORUM REQUIREMENTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES FOR THE CITY
COMMISSION . 
          MANDATING PHYSICAL PRESENCE FOR SUBORDINATE COMMITTEES AND BOARDS. 
          PROVIDING FOR TECHNICAL, SECURITY AND PUBLIC ACCESS PROTOCOLS,
AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD. THE CITY STAFF AND THE COMMISSION HAVE HAVE
EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO ESTABLISH UNIFORM, CLEAR AND LEGALLY COMPLIANT PROCEDURES TO GOVERN CONDITIONAL REMOTE PARTICIPATION FOR
COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE FACING UNFORESEEN AND UNAVOIDABLE HARDSHIPS. THIS FOLLOWING OUR RECENT TREND OF ESTABLISHING POLICIES AND
PROCESSES. 
          THIS JUST DOES JUST THAT. TO BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BOARDS
AND COMMITTEES APPOINTED BY YOU TO HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO TO PARTICIPATE IN,
IN MEETINGS REMOTELY. 
          SO WE PRESENT THIS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          WE GAVE YOU A LOOK AT IT EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT OR PROPOSED CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO GO BACK AND WORK ON IT. 
          OUR STAFF TEAM IS FROM LEGAL TO IT TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND MYSELF AND,
AND MISS ASKEW, WHO WORKS WITH COMMITTEES, WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT IT,
REVIEWED IT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A SOLID POLICY. WE, WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 2676. 
          SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR. I MEAN, THE MOTION COULD BE TO APPROVE. 
          THE MOTION COULD BE TO TABLE IT FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. 
          SO IN THIS CASE I'LL LET ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT BEFORE THERE'S A MOTION. 
          IF THERE IS SUCH A MOTION. YES. I JUST THOUGHT THAT THE DEFINITIONS OF ACCEPTABLE EXCUSES
MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALMOST TOO RESTRICTIVE. LIKE I KNOW THAT COMMISSION ER BOLE GOES ON THIS NATIONAL SECURITY STUFF, AND IF HE'S STUCK IN DC AND CAN'T GET BACK, WHICH WE'VE DONE AT LEAST ONCE,
I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS ALLOWED FOR THAT KIND OF. PERMISSION. I CAN HELP WITH THIS. 
          YES. GO AHEAD. A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, IT'S AN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. 
          SO THOSE ARE KIND OF EXAMPLES. AND NUMBER TWO,
THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MANUAL. 
          SO THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. AND I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM 0 TO 60 IN 5SECONDS HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE POLICY THAT ALLOWS IT
AT ALL. 
          AND THIS ALLOWS FOR UP TO 3 ABSENCES PER CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND WE HAVE 22 MEETINGS. DON'T WE HAVE 22. WE DON'T HAVE 24 BECAUSE WE HAVE 2MRS. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 22 COMMISSION MEETINGS A YEAR. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD HAVE A COMMISSION ER THAT MISSES THREE. 
          NOW, I'M NOT SAYING A COMMISSIONER CAN'T MISS 3,
BUT SAYING THAT WE WANT TO START OPERATING ON THAT MANY MISSED MEETINGS, MEANING THEY JUST WOULDN'T HAVE A VOTE IF THEY MISSED MORE THAN THE PERFUNCTORY. 
          SO I ASK THIS BODY TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 2 OR 1. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER, HAVING HAVING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS,
AND I KNOW I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO VOTE AND SAY THIS IS AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          I HATE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT REMEMBER,
OUR CONSTITUTION AND WHERE WE CAME FROM WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. 2 THINGS TO THINK ABOUT HERE. IS THIS GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT,
YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE'S IN A POSITION AND DOES THE KIND OF WORK THAT I DO THAT,
HEY, MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO BE A COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? BECAUSE I GOT TO BE THERE. RIGHT. I THINK,
I THINK IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS ME TALKING, IF YOU HAVE A JOB THAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE,
BECAUSE A TEAM'S BECAUSE OF ZOOM MEETINGS. 
          ETC. ETC. AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE A CRITICAL VOTE ON MILLAGE,
IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THAT I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT. 
          AND WELL, I DID TOO. AND WE VOTED AND AGREED THAT YOU SHOULD BE ON THIS. 
          BUT, BUT THAT HAS A LITTLE FRICTION IN IT. AND THIS IS A OPEN BOOK TO,
TO MAYBE ABUSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF JOB
CONSTRAINTS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT OUR BEST WORK IS DONE EYEBALL TO EYEBALL. 
          BUT GOD FORBID ONE OF US GETS SICK, YES. YEAH. 
          I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT FOR THE SAME REASONS. COMMISSION ER BOLE MENTIONED. 
          I, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, POST COVID, I MEAN,
THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND I MEAN, MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING REMOTE THESE DAYS. 
          [01:25:03]
I JUST THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO, TO AND,
AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THREE, WE, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME NOT LIMITED TO IN THEIR VERBIAGE,
BUT I STILL THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REASONABLE IF THEY MEET THE CONDITIONS THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
PARTICIPATE. 
          SO YEAH. COMMISSIONER. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST AND WHAT MAYBE A QUESTION FOR,
FOR JASON. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING I, I THINK I READ, IF YOU MISS A MEETING AS A COMMISSIONER OVER THE
COURSE OF A YEAR, IS THERE A TIME SAY YOU WERE NOT GRANTED, YOU KNOW,
A ZOOM MEETING, ETC, ETC THAT YOU'RE ASKED TO LEAVE. 
          I THINK IT'S 3 OR 4. AM I WRONG? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          THREE CONSECUTIVE. YEAH, IT SAYS 3. WAIT. I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? CURRENT. THE CURRENT. YEAH. OKAY,
IF I DIDN'T SHOW UP 3 TIMES IN A ROW RIGHT HERE AND IT HAD NO VCR. 
          RIGHT. WOULD I BE OUT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP,
I DON'T KNOW. 
          DON, ARE YOU RECITING IT FROM THE CHARTER? I THINK IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS,
BUT IT MAY HAVE TO BE UNEXCUSED IN THERE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT. I, I CAN CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. BUT NEVERTHELESS, MY POINT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TODAY AND,
AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. 
          EYEBALL TO EYEBALL IS THE WAY TO DO IT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE HUGE DECISIONS BEING
MADE IN BOTH THE STATE, THE FEDERAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. AND YOU CAN LOOK TO NEPTUNE BEACH WHERE THEY DON'T
REQUIRE YOU TO EVEN BE IN THE ROOM. 
          YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. SO WE ELECT PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED AND INVOLVED,
BUT I ALSO WOULD REMEMBER THAT IT IT'S A NEW AGE. 
          WE ARE MEETING THERE. I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LIKE BEING ON VCR IN DC AND WATCHING THAT,
BUT THERE WERE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVED. 
          SO I SUPPORT THIS. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE WIDE OPEN,
BUT WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE IF, IF WE HAVE A COMMISSION ER OR A MAYOR. 
          COMMISSION ER THAT WASN'T THAT WASN'T STANDING UP TO THE STANDARDS,
THEN WE COULD WE COULD MAKE A CORRECTION. 
          YES. COMMISSIONER. RING. SO I DID TALK TO OUR CITY CLERK ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY,
AND I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH HER. 
          AS YOU AND YOUR OFFICE ARE DOING RECORDS AND MAINTAINING THE MEETINGS,
DO YOU SEE THAT THIS BEING AN ISSUE IN ANY WAY? THREE POSSIBLE ZOOM CALLS OR TEAM CALLS THERE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE HEARING FROM Y'ALL BEFORE THAT,
IT WOULD BE THAT MANY. 
          I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO ONE. SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED. 
          SO I JUST REALLY STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT. AND POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE 2 PEOPLE ON
ZOOM AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT HERE, YOU COULD HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS ON ZOOM OR YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT COMMISSION ER EACH
TIME. 
          THAT'S 15 OUT OF 23 MEETINGS A YEAR THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON ZOOM. 
          THAT IS A LOT OF EXTRA YOU KNOW, COORDINATION AND,
AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          HAVING NOT DONE THIS CHECKLIST LIKE THIS BEFORE,
BECAUSE WE HAD IT DO IT MOST OF THE TIME. 
          I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW, WHAT THE WORKLOAD IS,
WHICH IS, I THINK WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT AS FAR AS MY OPINION OF IT. 
          SO YOU KNOW, BUT YOU MAY NOT NEED 3. YOU MAY REALLY ONLY DO 1. 
          BUT THE 3S THERE JUST IN CASE. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO YEAH, THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO THERE STILL HAS TO BE 3 PEOPLE PHYSICALLY
PRESENT. 
          SO THAT WAY IF 2 GET CUT OFF OR THERE'S, YOU KNOW,
A TECH ISSUE WHICH DOES HAPPEN, THEN WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. OKAY. DID WE GET A MOTION? NO. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2677. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION WAS UNANIMOUS OR MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 8. WELL, ACTUALLY CLOSING COMMENTS. 
          WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE. ACTUALLY,
NO, I MISSED CITY ATTORNEY. 
          [11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
JUST 2 QUICK THINGS. SINCE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE,
WHICH WAS A MONTH AGO, I THINK WE DID GET AND YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FOR YOUR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. THE FORUM ONE. AND AS YOU KNOW,
I THINK THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IT'S ALL DIGITAL. 
          IT'S I JUST DID MINE. IT'S PRETTY EASY PEASY. 
          THERE'S THAT AND I THINK JULY 1ST IS THE DEADLINE. 
          [01:30:02]
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS COMMISSIONER. KELLY YOU HAD ASKED,
YOU SHOULD HAVE ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL AND A SAVE THE DATE FOR ANNUAL ETHICS TRAINING AT THE CITY. TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE YOU'RE INTERESTED,
IT'S ON JUNE 22ND, WHICH IS IN TWO WEEKS. 
          IT'S THAT MONDAY MORNING AT 9 A.M. AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL RECEIVED THE CALENDAR INVITE FOR
THAT. 
          WHO'S PLANNING ON ATTENDING THAT? I AM YOU ARE AND COMMISSIONER BOLE. 
          NO I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. I'M WORKING. YEAH. 
          OKAY. YEAH. YOU HAVE A JOB. OKAY, I, I MIGHT,
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO. 
          YEAH. DOUBLE CHECK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S. 
          COUNSELOR. THANKS. MR. OH. I'M SORRY. CITY CLERK. 
          OH, AND YOU CAN, AS FAR AS THAT TRAINING GOES,
YOU CAN STILL DO THE ONLINE VERSION IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT. 
          EXCELLENT. AND I THINK ARE THEY RECORDING THAT AS WELL THAT THEY COULD GO BACK AND WATCH
IT LATER. 
          THE ONE THAT IS AT JACKSONVILLE. THEY USUALLY DO. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WE CAN CONFIRM THAT. 
          OKAY. AND IT'S QUALIFYING WEEK. YEAH I KNOW. AND AND IT'S GOING TO END ON FRIDAY. SO NO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. TOMORROW IS. ANYWAY, SO I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW,
DON. 
          [12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
OKAY. OKAY. CLOSING COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS,
COMMISSIONER. 
          BOLE. YEAH. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MR. HOGENCAMP. 
          DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY. I PROBABLY SAID TOO MUCH,
BUT I THINK THAT AS COMMISSIONER RING SAID, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION WE MAKE AS A CITY. 
          REMEMBER, THIS GUY RUNS THE CITY. WE JUST SIT HERE AND WORK ON ORDINANCES AND MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU KEVIN. THANK YOU,
COMMISSIONER GRANT. 
          YEAH. SAME. CONGRATS. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU REALLY STEPPED UP AND IT'S IT'S MADE FOR A GOOD
STORY. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE GOOD STUFF TO COME FROM YOU. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY. SCHOOL'S OUT. THE LITTLE DARLINGS ARE OUT ON THEIR E-BIKES, SO TRY NOT TO RUN THEM OVER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TEMPTING. 
          OH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER RING. 
          YEAH, I MEANT TO PUT THIS IN. THE COMMISSION ER REPORTS AS FAR AS THE MAYPORT ROAD,
THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO VERY MUCH SO IMPACT OUR CITY. 
          YOU'RE TALKING A YEAR AND A HALF. I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS LAST FRIDAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OF CITIZENS QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT MAYPORT ROAD IS NOT UNDER OUR
JURISDICTION. 
          SO MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GOING TO HIT THE ROAD JUNE 15TH OR MAYBE COMING IN AT NIGHT. 
          AS THE ROAD CLOSURES HAPPEN AT NIGHTTIME AND HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY KIND OF GET AHEAD OF THIS,
EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF PICTURES WERE SENT AND IMAGES WERE SENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS DEPARTMENT ASKEW
WHO PRESENTED A LOT ON THIS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THOSE WOULD BE NICE TO GO OUT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE
WHAT BEHIND THE WHY AND THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALL SUSTAIN IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. 
          THEN MY LAST THING IS CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER. CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER RING, WE INDEED DID START OUR OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION BLITZ ON MAYPORT ROAD
TODAY. 
          YOU'LL SEE IT ON OUR WEBSITE, ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING. WE'LL GET IT IN IN OUR RESIDENTS INBOXES AND AND WE'LL
MESSAGE THAT AGGRESSIVELY. 
          AND OTHERWISE TO THE COMMISSION , TO CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY,
TO THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMUNITY. 
          UNBELIEVABLE. UNBELIEVABLY HONORED. I AM AT THE SAME TIME READY,
WILLING AND ABLE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY ON AND SERVE YOU. WELL I WOULD LIKE TO TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THINGS SUCH AS
MILLION DOLLAR GRANTS AND THE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT BY OUR STAFF,
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE CITY MANAGER'S ON TOP OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT WE HAVE COMPARED TO OUR STAFF, WHEN I GOT HERE 9 AND A HALF YEARS AGO AND UNBELIEVABLE
STAFF, WE FROM FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ON THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND THEY DO THE GREAT
WORK. 
          AND I'M HONORED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO TO BE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND GIVE THEM SOME
LEADERSHIP AND GIVE CREDIT FOR ALL THEIR GREAT WORK, WHICH I DO EVERY DAY. I HEAR ABOUT THEIR GREAT WORK IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AS IT DID. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISED BECAUSE WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU
INDIVIDUALLY, CITY COMMISSION MEMBERS AND COLLECTIVELY HAS JUST GONE SO WELL. 
          [01:35:01]
AND AND SO I'M NOT STUNNED, EVEN THOUGH MAYOR FORD AND I DIDN'T WALK IN HERE WITH A PLAN. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IN TERMS OF PROCESS FOR FUTURE CITY MANAGER
SEARCHES. 
          YOU YOU CAN BET THAT I'LL PUT THAT TOGETHER. MOST OF THE POLICIES AND PROCESSES THAT'S
BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS OR SO. 
          I AUTHORED, I AUTHORED, AND, AND I'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU SO THAT MOVING FORWARD,
YOU'LL HAVE A GUIDE BOOK AT LEAST IN PLACE. 
          THANKS AGAIN. I'M JUST EXCEPTIONALLY HONORED,
AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU LET YOU DOWN. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT. AND I FIRST OF ALL,
I, I GET TO FINISH OUT AND SAY HOW PROUD I AM OF THE WORK THAT'S DONE IN THIS CITY, BUT ESPECIALLY THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS AND THE AND THE 4 YEARS
THAT I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR. 
          BUT THERE'S AN OLD SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T YOUR FATHER'S OLDSMOBILE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE OLDSMOBILE THAT WE STARTED WITH 5 MONTHS AGO. 
          CITY MANAGER. HOGENCAMP. YOU ARE A DIFFERENT OLDSMOBILE. 
          YOU'RE A BETTER OLDSMOBILE. I'M. I'M JUST PROUD OF YOU,
AND I. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING FOR YOU WITH YOU OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS,
ASSUMING I'M REELECTED. 
          BUT BUT ANYWAYS CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS SO MUCH. 
          AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.