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          YES, SIR. OKAY. WELCOME RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND GUESTS. BEFORE I OPEN TONIGHT'S MEETING, WE'LL START WITH AN INVOCATION AND A PLEDGE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO JOIN US. GOD, THANKS FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS AND ALL THAT SHARE AN INTEREST IN OUR FAIR CITY. 
          WE ALL APPRECIATE EVERY MINUTE WE HAVE. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLE. THIS CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, WILL DATED JUNE 22ND, 2026, WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. LET'S 
          [10.A. Public Hearing - APP26-0001 - Appeal of a decision of the Community Development Board (CDB) for variance ZVAR26-0008 at 95 10th Street]
SEE, WE'RE GOING TO KICK IT OFF WITH A WITHDRAWN ITEM. 
          SO, COMMISSIONERS, ITEM 10A ON YOUR AGENDA, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT WE WITHDRAW HIS REQUEST. LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S 10A. OKAY, IT'S 10A. SO IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAD INTENDED TO SPEAK ON 10A, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, REGARDING THE APPEAL OF A DECISION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD VARIANCE REQUEST AT 9510TH STREET THAT IS NOW BEING CONSIDERED FOR WITHDRAWAL. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE WE WITHDRAW AGENDA ITEM 10A FROM THE AGENDA. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER DONNA MENTIONED IT, BUT COMMISSIONER GRANT IS RUNNING LATE, BUT ASSUMINGLY WILL BE HERE SAFELY VERY SOON. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ITEM 1A, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. I DIDN'T DO ROLL CALL. YOU WANT TO DO ROLL CALL? SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE? PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT? I JUST MENTIONED HE'S GOING TO BE LATE. COMMISSIONER KELLY? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER RING? PRESENT. MAYOR FORD? PRESENT. OKAY, NOW WE'LL MOVE 
          [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          ITEM 1A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 8TH, 2026. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES STAND AS PRESENTED. 
          AND THAT'S ALL THE MINUTES TODAY, SO WE'LL MOVE DIRECTLY 
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TO COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO VISITORS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO TO OUR NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION OF JAMES JOHNSON. MR. HOGENCAMP. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD AND COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. IN OUR PRESENCE THIS MORNING ARE SOME VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE, OUR POLICE VOLUNTEERS. A CORE OF THEM IS HERE, POLICE STAFF IS HERE THAT THEY WORK WITH. 
          CHIEF GUALILLO WOULD LIKE TO BRING SOME SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO MR. JAMES JOHNSON WHO'S UP FRONT. MAYOR, COMMISSION, GOOD EVENING. SO WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE JAMES TONIGHT. I THINK WHEN WE HAD THE OTHER VOLUNTEERS IN, JAMES IS ALL GALLIVANTING SOMEWHERE IN SPAIN OR SOMETHING ON VACATION, SOMEWHERE HORRIBLE LIKE THAT. 
          YES. ANYWAY, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO RECOGNIZE OUR VOLUNTEERS, THE AMAZING WORK WE DO. AND TONIGHT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE MR. JAMES JOHNSON. JAMES HAS BEEN WITH OUR CITY SINCE 2018, JANUARY, WHEN HE FIRST CAME ON BOARD WITH US AS A VOLUNTEER. AND IN THAT TIME SINCE 2018 TO NOW, HE'S PROVIDED OVER 02,600 HOURS OF SERVICE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING, THAT'S $90,454 THAT EQUATES TO. 
          THE NEXT CLOSEST VOLUNTEER IN NUMBER OF HOURS IS 1,500. 
          SO JAMES HAS OVER 1,100 MORE HOURS THAN THE NEXT CLOSEST VOLUNTEER. SO HE SPENDS A LOT OF TIME WITH US. 
          IN THE EARLY STAGES OF OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, JAMES WAS THE 3RD ACCEPTED VOLUNTEER IN THE PROGRAM. HE WAS KEY TO THE EXPANSION SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. HE RECRUITED MANY OTHER PEOPLE FOR US TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY AND BECOMING MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE VOLUNTEER CORPS ALSO. 
          AND HE'S CONSISTENTLY ONE OF THE FIRST TO OFFER HIS ASSISTANCE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HIS FELLOW VOLUNTEERS. HE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO SUPPORT THE CITY AT ALL OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          HE'D BEEN A TREMENDOUS ASSET, PARTICULARLY IN SUPPORTING COMMANDER CAMERON AND HIS ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. ALSO IN FIELD SURVEYS, HE HELPS US DO A LOT OF THOSE. HE SERVES AS A FIRST AID TRAINER TEACHING CPR AND STOP THE BLEED TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND CIVILIAN PARTICIPANTS. AND JAMES IS ALSO ONE OF OUR CERTIFIED TRAINERS WHO HELPS TRAIN OUR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS EVERY YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. JAMES'S DEDICATION TO SERVING OTHERS ISN'T JUST THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THOUGH. HE'S DEVOTED OVER 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO SERVING OUR COUNTRY IN THE U.S. NAVY, AND HE STARTED OUT 
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AS A SUBMARINER AND THEN LATER ON BECAME A NURSE. HE SPENT 18 YEARS IN CIVIL SERVICE, AND HE ALSO VOLUNTEERS TIME WITH ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS, AND THROUGH THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS EVERY YEAR, HE DONATES. HE ORGANIZES A DONATION OF WINTER COATS FOR KIDS EACH YEAR. SO THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT HE DOES. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY HOURS HE PUTS IN VOLUNTEERING FOR THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. I KNOW HOW MANY HOURS HE PUTS IN HERE. SO HIS DAYS ARE FILLED, I AM SURE. JAMES, YOU'VE BEEN AN EXEMPLARY MEMBER OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT'S VOLUNTEER CORPS. 
          YOU STRENGTHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE FOR YOUR DEVOTION AND SERVICE. 
          SO HERE'S A SMALL TOKEN, JAMES, OF OUR APPRECIATION FOR THOSE 2,600 HOURS OF SERVICE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A GREAT VOLUNTEER. 
          JAMES, I HAVE TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU. SO I SEE THIS MAN THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND I JUST HOPEFULLY ONE DAY SOMEBODY WILL BE AS KIND OF WORDS TO ME, BECAUSE YOU, I, YOU'RE A HEART ACT, BY THE WAY. SO I, I WISH FOR ALL OF OUR CITY TO EXPERIENCE WHAT JAMES DID, TO STEP UP AND, AND DO SOMETHING THE SAME. 
          AND MR. JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING JAMES TO COME OUT AND PLAY WITH US. AND THANKS FOR COMING BACK, STACY. YOU'RE AWESOME. OKAY, NOW WE GET TO THE FUN PART OF OUR MEETING EVERY 2 WEEKS, COURTESY OF THE FLOOR. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES. YOU CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT IF I DO BRING THE GAVEL TO BEAR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY WIND DOWN. 
          BUT DONNA, HOW MANY HAVE YOU GOT TODAY? WELL, GOOD. WE'LL STICK WITH 5 MINUTES. GO AHEAD AND GET IT STARTED. MITCH REEVES. HELLO COMMISSIONERS, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. 
          GOT A COUPLE OF TOPICS TONIGHT I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP AND HOPEFULLY I DON'T NEED THE WHOLE 5 MINUTES. I'LL DO AS FAST AS I CAN. NUMBER 1 IS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE 9C THAT'S PLACED HERE TONIGHT ON THE FIRST READING ABOUT THE TREE PROTECTION AND EVERYTHING. 
          I JUST WANT TO STAND HERE AND REMIND, TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE ESC WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2017, '16 OR '17. AND I'M NOT, I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE CREDIT BECAUSE THE WHOLE COMMISSION WENT WITH IT, BUT IT WAS MY IDEA TO BRING IT OUT. AND THE THEORY OF THAT IDEA WAS, IS WE WERE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR TREE CANOPY. WE WEREN'T TRIMMING TREES. WE WEREN'T FIXING TREES. WE WEREN'T PROTECTING TREES. WE WERE FOCUSING MORE ON OTHER THINGS. WE WERE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR PARKS. WE WEREN'T SPENDING MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PARKS. 
          THAT WAS WHAT THIS WHOLE ESC WAS ABOUT. AND I HOPE ONE DAY IT GETS BACK ON TRACK A LITTLE BIT AND REMEMBER WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR, TO MAKE SURE WE HAD PARK RANGERS, MAKE SURE THAT OUR PARKS ARE CLEAN, MAKE SURE THAT IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PARKS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT. WITH THAT SAID, HERE YOU ARE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE, BUT YET THE CITY ITSELF DOESN'T DO ITS JOB TO PROTECT OUR TREES. DRIVE DOWN ANY STREET, A MAJOR STREET, AND SEE WHO TRIMS THE TREES THAT'S HANGING OVER THE, OVER THE STREET. 
          18-WHEELERS DO AND THE TRASH TRUCKS. WHO, WHO, WHO TAKES CARE OF THE TREES IN THE PARK? SOME OF THEM GET TAKEN CARE OF, SOME DON'T. MY BIGGEST PET PEEVE IS WE NOW HAVE A NEW DEPARTMENT THAT WAS FORMED UNDER A FORMER CITY MANAGER CALLED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS A COPY OF WHAT JACKSONVILLE DOES. WE'RE NOT JACKSONVILLE. 
          WE HAVE THAT FORMED, AND SINCE IT'S BEEN FORMED, WE ARE CONTINUING TO KILL OUR, OUR TREES THAT WE PLANTED MANY YEARS AGO UNDER MANY ADMINISTRATIONS, MANY COMMISSIONERS. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, DRIVE DOWN PLAZA, GO THAT WAY, TAKE A PICTURE OF HOW HIGH THE STREET IS TO THE ROAD, TO THE DIRT. LOOK WHAT'S IN THE DIRT. THE ROOTS ARE SHOWING. WE DON'T, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE. EVEN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOODS PERSON SPOKE ABOUT PEOPLE COULD NOT PARK IN THEIR YARDS UNLESS THEY HAD MULCH OR APPROVED GRAVEL. LOOK WHO'S THE BIGGEST VIOLATION. 
          GO BY THERE AND SEE HOW MANY TREES WE'RE KILLING, BECAUSE IT'S KILLING THEM. 
          LOOK AT THE ROOTS AND LOOK HOW FAR THE GRASS HAS GONE DOWN. 
          SO I'M SORRY I'M PASSIONATE 
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ABOUT IT, BUT THE ESE, I LIKE IT. I THINK THERE'S A MISSION FOR IT, AND I LOVE OUR TREE AND I LOVE OUR PARKS. THAT'S ENOUGH GARBAGE ON THAT FOR ME. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS HC, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE CONTRACT TONIGHT WITH KEVIN. FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS, KEVIN, ON YOUR NEW OPPORTUNITY, WHICH YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE RIGHT PICK. YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          BUT TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE ON DIFFERENT SIDES BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS AGREEMENT. I DO AGREE THAT YOU SHOULD GET A RAISE. ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING OVER THAT JOB. 
          BUT I PERSONALLY, WITH THE CRISIS GOING ON WITH THE STATE INTERFERING WITH OUR TAX MONEY, AND WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY TO BE FACING THIS SOON, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO PASS. IS I'M OKAY WITH GIVING YOU, I'M OKAY WITH AN OFFER TO YOU AT 35-37%, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE AROUND, I DON'T DO THE MATH VERY WELL, SOMEWHERE AROUND $210,000. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PERCENTAGE OVER WHAT YOU'RE MAKING NOW. 
          BECAUSE NEXT YEAR, ONE THING, AND, AND IT'S NOT AGAINST YOU, KEVIN, IT'S JUST ME RIGHT NOW ON BUDGETS, THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS COMMISSION, TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, YOU HAVE THE TOUGHEST BUDGET YEAR YOU'VE EVER SEEN IN YOUR LIFE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE WHERE TO CUT WITHOUT CUTTING COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND DON'T COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT COMMUNITY SERVICE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT POLICE. THAT'S A LIE. 
          THAT'S A MYTH. THERE'S OTHER CUTS YOU CAN DO. YOU NEED TO START BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HURTING SOON. THIS IS, YOU HAVE A HUGE DECISION TO MAKE. START PREPARING NOW, AND TONIGHT WOULD BE A GOOD NIGHT TO START WITH THE CONTRACT FOR THE CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR REEVES. 
          JIM WATERS. OKAY, HOLLY WATERS. IS THERE ENOUGH COPIES FOR EVERYONE? OKAY, SURE. 
          YES, I'LL TAKE THEM ALL AND I'LL PASS THEM DOWN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING UP THE ISSUE OF TREE PRESERVATION IN OUR CITY. AS WE ALL AGREE, TREES ARE BEING CUT DOWN AT AN ALARMING RATE IN OUR CITY. LIVE OAKS, CYPRESS, AND MANY OTHER LARGE MARITIME TREES. OUR CANOPY IS THREATENED. ACCORDING TO CITY STATISTICS, IN 2025, NEARLY 45 INCHES OF TREES WERE REMOVED, ONLY TO BE REPLACED BY 1,800 INCHES OF MUCH SMALLER TREES. 156 LARGER OR MATURE TREES WERE KNOWN TO BE REMOVED WITHOUT WITH ZERO REPLACEMENT AND ZERO FEES. THESE TREES AVERAGED 30 INCHES IN DIAMETER. THE TREE CANOPY IS VITAL TO OUR ECOSYSTEM. IT REDUCES TEMPERATURES THROUGH SHADE. IT HELPS REDUCE STORMWATER RUNOFF BY 15 TO 27%. THERE ARE ECONOMIC BENEFITS TOO. HOMES LANDSCAPED WITH TREES SELL MORE QUICKLY AND ARE WORTH 15 PERCENT MORE THAN HOMES WITHOUT TREES. HOMES ON AN ENTIRE TREE-LINED STREET MAY BE WORTH 25% OR MORE. AS PRESIDENT OF ATLANTIC BEACH COMMUNITY KEEPERS, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO REVISE THIS ORDINANCE TO REPLACE THE LIVE OAK TREES WITH MORE MARITIME TREES TO BROADEN THE NUMBER OF TREES PROTECTED AND DEFINE THE DIAMETER OF TREES TO BE PROTECTED TO 20 INCHES. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU, MISS WATERS. JIM WATERS. THANK YOU, CITY COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THE, THE NEW ORDINANCE. HOLLY AND I DROVE AROUND, LOOK, TAKING PICTURES AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TREE CANOPIES IN EVERY ONE OF THE DISTRICTS IN ATLANTIC BEACH. AND AS WE'RE FAIRLY NEW, WE'VE BEEN HERE 5 YEARS. AND WE ARE SO PROUD OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND THE TREE CANOPY. I ONCE RAN INTO A FORMER MAYOR OF NEPTUNE BEACH WHO ALWAYS USED TO WALK IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SHE SAID TO ME ONE DAY, I WISH NEPTUNE HAD THE TREE CANOPY OF ATLANTIC BEACH. I WANT TO SEE US KEEP THAT AND SUPPORT THE NEW ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WATERS. LISA HAROLD. HI, GOOD EVENING. MY 
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NAME IS LISA HAROLD. ADDRESS IS ON FILE. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT IS GOING INTO DISCUSSING TREE PROTECTION IN ATLANTIC BEACH. I STRONGLY SUPPORT PROTECTING OUR TREE CANOPY, BUT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LOOK BEYOND PROTECTING A SINGLE SPECIES AND FOCUS ON THE HEALTH OF OUR ENTIRE MARITIME FOREST. 
          LIVE OAKS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF ATLANTIC BEACH'S CHARACTER, BUT A HEALTHY CANOPY DEPENDS ON A DIVERSE MIX OF NATIVE TREES, WORKING TOGETHER TO PROVIDE SHADE, WILDLIFE HABITAT, STORMWATER BENEFITS, AND RESILIENCE AGAINST STORMS, PESTS, AND DISEASES. PROTECTING ONLY LIVE OAKS, IT OVERLOOKS THE BROADER ECOSYSTEM THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY UNIQUE. I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE THOUGHTFUL, INFORMED GUIDANCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS, AND ITS MEMBERS HAVE DEDICATED SIGNIFICANT TIME TO STUDYING THESE ISSUES. 
          WHILE THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY MAKES THE FINAL DECISION, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE DESERVE MEANINGFUL CONSIDERATION AND WEIGHT IN THIS PROCESS. 
          ATLANTIC BEACH IS DEFINED BY ITS MARITIME FORESTS. OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO PROTECT AND STRENGTHEN THE ENTIRE CANOPY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL TREES OR SPECIES. BY TAKING A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH, WE CAN PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT, AESTHETIC, AND QUALITY OF LIFE BENEFITS THAT MAKE ATLANTIC BEACH SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE TO CALL HOME. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MS. HAROLD. ANASTASIA HOUSTON. GET THIS A LITTLE FURTHER UP. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND KEVIN AND CITY COMMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ALL OF OUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO HOPEFULLY WITNESS THE ADOPTION OF STRONGER TREE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO REALLY MAKE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AS A MEMBER OF THE ESC COMMITTEE, I CAN SAY THAT OUR COMMITTEE, BUT REALLY CITY STAFF, HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND VERY THOUGHTFULLY TO RESEARCH AND PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO COMMISSION THAT WOULD STRENGTHEN OUR ORDINANCES, AND MOVEMENT ON THOSE HAVE BEEN SLUGGISH, TO SAY THE LEAST, WITH CHAPTER 23 CHANGES STAGNATED FOR OVER 2 YEARS. THIS COMMUNITY IS LITERALLY CRYING OUT AND BEGGING THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE ACTION AND TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGE AND TO STEM THE BLEEDING OF OUR TREE CANOPY LOSS. I KNOW THAT YOU VALUE THE HARD WORK OF OUR STAFF AND THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT THEY DO. WHICH IS ALWAYS WITH OUR COMMUNITY INTERESTS AT HEART. YOU TURN TO THEM AND YOU DEFER TO THEM AS THE EXPERTS ON MANY TOPICS. THIS SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENT. WHAT STAFF AND THE UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE ESC COMMITTEE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE DESIGNATE ALL MARITIME TREE SPECIES 20 INCHES DBH AND LARGER AS SPECIAL, AND THAT WE GRANT THEM FURTHER LAYERS OF PROTECTION. SOME MAY DEBATE THAT THE WORD LANDMARK BEING USED IN THIS ORDINANCE IS TOO STRONG AND DOESN'T PROPERLY DESCRIBE A 20-INCH TREE, BUT I WOULD ARGUE DIFFERENTLY. 
          THE STATE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR TREE LOSS, 20-INCH TREES ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING INCREASINGLY RARE. WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS SIMPLY CREATE, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, A LITTLE BIT OF FRICTION THAT COULD POSSIBLY STEM THE TIDE OF THIS. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, JUST SOME VERY QUICK PHOTOS THAT I PRINTED OUT BEFORE COMING HERE TONIGHT. I DROVE AROUND LAST WEEK IN THE POURING DOWN RAIN WITH MY TAPE MEASURE AND TOOK PICTURES OF TREES THAT MEASURE 20 INCHES, 24 INCHES, 27, AND 26 INCHES. THOSE 4 TREES ARE JUST SINGLE EXAMPLES. IF THOSE TREES WERE TO COME DOWN, AND ACTUALLY WHEN THEY DO COME DOWN AT AN INCREASING ALARMINGLY RATE, THAT LOSS IS REALLY DEEPLY FELT BY THIS COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE TREES THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT. YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN OUR 2025 TREE REPORT YET THAT WAS COMPILED BY DAN AND BRUCE ON THE ESC, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE SHOCKING. 
          WE'RE LOSING MORE TREES AND INCHES THAN WE COULD POSSIBLY HOPE TO REPLACE AT A RATE OF 6.3X. WE ARE HURTLING TOWARDS A POINT OF IRREVOCABLE HARM, AND WE NEED TO STOP IT NOW. 
          KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT THE NEW PLANTINGS AREN'T REALLY COMPARABLE IN SIZE OR VIABILITY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED THEM THE SPACE TO BECOME THE TREES THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BECOME. THEY'RE ULTIMATELY, THEIR VIABILITY AND THEIR LONGEVITY WILL BE JEOPARDIZED. 
          I COME FROM ATHLETICS, SO THOSE TERMS ALWAYS MAKE SENSE TO ME. I'LL LIKEN OUR 
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OLDEST TREES TO THE STARTING LINEUP. THEY ARE THE EMOTIONAL ONES WE CHEER FOR. AND WHEN THEY GET INJURED, WE'RE REALLY SAD. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE EASY TO GET BEHIND AND RALLY AROUND. 
          BUT NO TEAM CAN EXPECT TO BUILD A WINNING PROGRAM WITHOUT BENCH STRENGTH. BY NOT PROTECTING THE TREES THAT ARE ONLY 80 TO 120 YEARS OLD, WE BASICALLY CUT OUR TEAM'S FUTURE FROM THE ROSTER. THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE IS ONLY THE START OF A MULTI-PRONGED EFFORT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PLAN FOR ITS SUCCESSFUL FUTURE. 
          I URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION NOW AND PROTECT ALL MARITIME SPECIES STARTING AT DBH 20. 
          AT THE RISK OF USING ANOTHER SPORTS ANALOGY, PLEASE DON'T STOP SHORT OF THE GOAL LINE. WE ARE ALMOST THERE. THIS SHOULD BE A UNANIMOUS DECISION. PLEASE BE THE GOVERNING BODY THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ASKING YOU TO BE. IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU, ANASTASIA. SARAH BOREN. SARAH BOREN, I LIVE AT 3888TH STREET. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT BOTH 8F AND 9C. 
          BUT FIRST, KEVIN, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN. SO FOR ITEM 8F, THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE MOU WITH THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT'S HELP WITH PROTECTION OF OUR SALT MARSH WETLANDS WILL BE INVALUABLE, ESPECIALLY IF THE HOMESTEAD PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM PASSES. HUGE SHOUT OUT TO STEVE SWAN FOR HIS AMAZING RELATIONSHIPS AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF PUT THIS ON OUR DESK TO CONSIDER. IT WOULD BE A HUGE INVESTMENT AND BUILD UPON THE MOMENTUM THAT IS STARTING ON OUR MARSH SIDE. SO FOR 9C, I'M HERE ALSO TO SAY WHY ORDINANCE 9526128 SHOULD COVER ALL MARITIME SPECIES AT 20-INCH DBH. 
          FIRST, REGARDING THE FRAMING OF THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE COMMITTEE, THAT COMMUNITY DID NOT SAY ONLY LARGE LIVE TREES AT THE MAY TOWN HALL. 
          WORKSHOP, THERE WERE DOUBLE THE COMMENTS ABOUT CANOPY-LEVEL PROTECTION THAN THOSE FOR ONLY LIVE OAKS. I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT THAT THIS TONIGHT, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD NOT BE OVERREACHING WITH A MOTION TO, AN AMENDED MOTION TO CONSIDER ALL MARITIME SPECIES AND 20-INCH DBH, BECAUSE IT WILL BE RESPONDING TO THE COMMITTEE, I MEAN, COMMUNITY, FULFILLING ITS STATED VISION OF PROTECTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER. 
          AND DOING ITS JOB FOR LONG-TERM RESILIENCY AND PROTECTING PROPERTY VALUES FOR ITS RESIDENTS, NOT SPEC BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS. AB IS ON THE CUSP OF A DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT. 34% OF OUR POPULATION IS 60 YEARS OR OLDER. AS THIS GENERATION TRANSITIONS, THEIR PROPERTIES, MANY WITH DECADES-OLD CANOPY, WILL BE SOLD OR TRANSITIONED TO THEIR KIDS WHO MAY PROBABLY NEED MORE ROOMS, MORE DRIVEWAYS. 
          WITHOUT PROTECTION NOW, SPEC BUILDERS WILL MAXIMIZE LOT YIELD AND REMOVE TREES AT RATES THAT WILL PERMANENTLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY. ALSO, LONGER DROUGHTS AND INTENSE SHORT-TERM RAINFALL WILL INCREASE NEWLY PLANTED TREES' MORTALITY RATE. AKA, WHAT WE PLANT TODAY MAY NOT MATURE TO, RESULTING AND THUS RESULTING IN MORE CANOPY LOSS. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT IF WE BROADEN THE ORDINANCE, THE SCOPE OF THIS ORDINANCE, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED MORE TIME. RESPECTFULLY, I DO NOT BELIEVE COMMISSION NEEDS TO ADD 6 MONTHS TO CONSIDER BROADENING THIS ORDINANCE JUST BY DECIDING A DBH AND EXPANDING TO ALL MARITIME SPECIES. THE DATA SUPPORTS THIS, STAFF SUPPORTS THIS, ESC SUPPORTS THIS ACTION. 
          CANOPY LOSS IS MEASURABLE AND ACCELERATING. WHILE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS INCREASING. THAT'S MORE HEAT, MORE RUNOFF, AND MORE VULNERABILITY FOR EVERY RESIDENT. THE COMMUNITY IS LITERALLY GETTING HOTTER. PROTECTING ONLY ONE SPECIES AT A VERY HIGH SIZE THRESHOLD DOES NOT, DOES NOTHING TO STOP THIS TREND. THE 50-INCH LIVE OAK THRESHOLD BORROWED FROM A RURAL COUNTY WAS CITED, ALACHUA COUNTY, WHICH USES A 45-INCH THRESHOLD. BUT ALACHUA COUNTY IS FAR MORE RURAL, AND IS LESS INTENSELY DEVELOPED THAN AB. ABS BUILT-OUT DENSITY DEMANDS A MORE PROTECTIVE STANDARD. 
          NOW, IF YOU CONSIDER, IF YOU DECIDE ON 20 INCHES DBH, 31 SPECIES OF OUR MARITIME CANOPY CAN BE SAVED, CAN BE PROTECTED, NOT JUST ONE. THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED TREE LIST SHOWS THAT 31 SPECIES CAN REACH 20-INCH DBH, INCLUDING BALD CYPRESS, WHICH CAN LAST UP TO 600 YEARS. HICKORIES, UP TO 300, AMERICAN ELM, UP TO 300, 
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TUPELO, MAGNOLIA, SHERMAN OAK, SHUMARD OAK, LONGLEAF PINE, AND AMERICAN HOLLY AS WELL. 
          DESPITE BEING MENTIONED, WATER OAKS ARE NOT ON THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED LIST. 
          LIMITING PROTECTION TO ONLY LIVE OAKS ALONE ABANDONS THE REST OF THIS IRREPLACEABLE BIODIVERSE MARITIME CANOPY. 
          ALSO, JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT, THE MAJORITY OF HOMES IN ATLANTIC BEACH ARE NOT AS OLD AS AB'S LARGEST TREES. 
          ROUGHLY 62% OF THE BUILDING STOCK WAS CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN 1970 AND 1999. A LONE MAJESTIC LIVE OAK IS VULNERABLE. A LONE LARGE LIVE OAK STANDING WITHOUT NEIGHBORING TREES IS DRAMATICALLY MORE VULNERABLE TO WIND DAMAGE, FLOODING, AND STORM FAILURE. CANOPY FUNCTIONS AS AN ECOSYSTEM AND PROTECTS EACH OTHER. SO, TO WRAP UP, THE URGENCY IS REAL, AND IT IS VITAL THAT FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE ACTION NOW. I URGE YOU TO AMEND TONIGHT'S ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE ALL MARITIME SPECIES AT 20-INCH DBH AND VOTE YES ON THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. 
          SARAH MILO. HI, I'M SARAH MILO. I LIVE ON OCEAN BOULEVARD. I, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND FOR BRINGING THE ORDINANCE FORWARD TONIGHT. 
          I DO SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE'S PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT MORE TREES, TO HELP PRESERVE OUR BEAUTIFUL TREE CANOPY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS THAT WE DERIVE FROM THEM. SO, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THAT AMENDMENT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MILO. 
          BRINKLEY HAROLD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF. 
          I'M BRINKLEY HAROLD, 266TH STREET. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT TREES. PLENTY OF PEOPLE WILL. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE FROM ALL MY PREVIOUS SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS HERE OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, BUDGETS, FINANCIALS, AND FUNDING. BUDGET SEASON IS JUST ABOUT HERE. VERY INTERESTING THING IS THAT ALSO IN NOVEMBER, THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM. AND IF ALL THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS CORRECT, IT'S GOING TO PASS, WHICH WILL SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT ALL CITY BUDGETS THAT HAVE ANY AMOUNT OF AD VALOREM TAXES LIKE WE DO. AN INTERESTING STATISTIC, IN FY 2020, OUR BUDGET WAS $36 MILLION. COVID CAME AROUND, WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GOVERNMENT MONEY, THINGS PROGRESSED. BY FY 2025, THAT $36 MILLION HAD ALMOST DOUBLED WELL, NOT QUITE DOUBLE, BUT WENT UP TO $59 MILLION. OKAY, FOR THE LAST 3 BUDGET CYCLES, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE BUDGET RELATIVELY FLAT AT $59 MILLION. THAT'S FY 2024, '25, AND '26. YES, AND PART OF THAT WAS HAVING A ROLLBACK IN FY '24 AND ALSO HAVING A REDUCTION IN THE MILLAGE RATE JUST LAST YEAR. NOW THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM AND WHATNOT, THE ONE THING THAT, THAT IS KIND OF INSULATED THAT CANNOT BE CUT IS CONTRACTS. THERE'S ONLY 3 PERSONNEL CONTRACTS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT THE CITY HAS, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY CLERK, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM AND REDUCED BUDGETS, CAN'T CUT THOSE CONTRACTS ONCE THEY EXIST UNLESS OUR CITY ATTORNEY CAN FIND AN OUT CLAUSE FOR US, PERHAPS. 
          SO, POINT BEING IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO START LOOKING AT BUDGET ITEMS NOW, AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO RIGHT-SIZE THE CITY MANAGER SALARY. THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS, JOE GARRITY AND SHANE CORBIN, WERE WELL UNDER $200,000. BILL KILLINGSWORTH WAS AN OUTLIER AT $245,000, ROUGHLY $245,000. YES, THE COMMISSION WENT TO AN EXTREME TO HIRE HIM. I SUPPORTED THAT. 
          IT WAS THE FIRST TIME EVER THAT A CITY MANAGER HAD A BUILT-IN HOUSING ALLOWANCE TO INCREASE THAT SALARY, AND THAT WAS MOSTLY IN ORDER TO INCREASE KILLINGSWORTH'S SALARY TO WHAT HE'D BEEN MAKING AT COJ, AS BEST I RECALL. AND UNFORTUNATELY, MANY PEOPLE, AT LEAST MYSELF, FEEL LIKE HE WAS OVERPAID AND POTENTIALLY UNDERDELIVERED. WELL, HE LASTED 
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2 AND A HALF YEARS IN THE JOB. MOST CITY MANAGERS LAST, I THINK IT'S 5 OR 6 YEARS. NOW WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS THOUGH IS I VOICED MY SUPPORT AT THIS PODIUM FOR KEVIN HOGENCAMP TO BE SELECTED AS A CITY MANAGER. I HAVE VOICED MY OPINIONS ABOUT NOT HAVING TO USE AN OUTSIDE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM ONLY TO COME UP WITH THE SAME ANSWER THAT WE COULD HAVE COME UP, THAT WE DID COME UP, THAT Y'ALL CAME UP WITH RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US. THAT'S ALL GREAT, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT A NUMBER HIGHER THAN $200,000 THE, FOR ANY NUMBER OF THOSE BUDGETARY REASONS THAT I ALREADY TOUCHED UPON. BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT YOU'VE ALSO GOT TO CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCE, AND THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN TRY TO EITHER SUPPORT PRO OR CON WHATEVER THE SALARY IS GOING TO BE. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KIND OF TAKE THE CITY MANAGER POSITION AND THAT SALARY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEXT HIGHER, HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY, THOSE DIRECTORS. 
          IS IT A $100,000 DIFFERENCE? IS IT A $75,000 DIFFERENCE? WHAT IS THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THAT SALARY TO BE? AND KEVIN AND I ARE FRIENDS BUT HE PROBABLY KNEW THAT I WAS GOING TO GET UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT MATH AND NUMBERS AND, AND BUDGETARY THINGS, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM. 
          SO AGAIN, I HOPE THAT Y'ALL WILL EXHIBIT SOME RESTRAINT, NOT GO AS OVERBOARD AS WHAT HAPPENED LAST GO-ROUND. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT, AND YOU'LL BE HEARING MORE FROM ME ABOUT THE BUDGET DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HARRELL. DR. PAMELA BRAR. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. I'M PAMELA BRAR. I AM ACTUALLY CURRENTLY LIVING IN NEPTUNE BEACH. I'M A RELATIVE NEWCOMER TO THE AREA, BUT HOPING TO BE AN AB RESIDENT SOON. AND I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR A COUPLE REASONS, BUT I'M THE DAUGHTER OF AN ARBORIST. MY, I GREW UP IN SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA, AND MY DAD WAS THE ECONOMIST AT OUR UNIVERSITY AND ALSO WAS THE TREE SURGEON. SO, I GREW UP RUNNING AROUND THE CAMPUS OF SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA UNIVERSITY, HELPING HIM TAKE CARE OF BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAK TREES. 
          SO, I'M A TREE LOVER. AND WHEN I RELOCATED HERE 15 MONTHS AGO TO BE THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF MAYO CLINIC'S LONGEVITY PROGRAM, WE, MY FIANC AND I, STARTED LOOKING AT WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE. WE BOTH LOVE THE BEACH, LANDED IN NEPTUNE, WHICH WE'RE ENJOYING. BUT THROUGH MY FRIENDSHIP WITH ANASTASIA HOUSTON, AND MULTIPLE OTHER CONTACTS, I'VE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH AB AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PLEASE DO WHAT YOU CAN TO PROTECT THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE CANOPY. IT'S WHAT ACTUALLY IS MAKING ME AND MY FIANC WANT TO LIVE IN AB OVER ALL THE OTHER BEACH COMMUNITIES. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVEN BEING PART OF THIS AMAZING EXPERIENCE TONIGHT AND JUST SEEING HOW, HOW THOUGHTFULLY YOU ALL THINK ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. 
          SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AND WAS IT BRAR? B-R-A-R. 
          B-R-A-R. BRAR. THANK YOU. 
          NANCY STOTTS. GOOD EVENING, MAYORS, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, ETC., OUR NEW CITY MANAGER. I HAVE TO START BY CONGRATULATING YOU, KEVIN, ON YOUR OFFICIAL APPOINTMENT AS OUR CITY MANAGER. I, I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THIS AND SAVED US $75,000 OR $85,000 THAT WE WERE GOING TO SPEND ON A SEARCH, AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, YOU MAY CALL IT GIRL MATH, I THINK YOU ARE SAVING US MONEY, AND I THANK YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT ISSUES. FIRST IS ITEM AGENDA 5A, AND THE SECOND IS 9C. 
          REGARDING 5A, YOU ALL PROBABLY RECALL I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THERE WAS AN OCTOBER 2024 MEETING WHERE THIS COMMISSION VOTED TO MAKE MANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO CHAPTER 24. 
          AMONG THEM WAS A DECREASE IN LOT SIZE AND A DECREASE IN THE REQUIRED FRONTAGE FEET FOR HOMES ALONG BEACH AVENUE. 
          THAT REQUIRED FRONTAGE DROPPED FROM 75 FEET TO 40 FEET, A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY AT 0 SEMINOLE ROAD. IT WAS IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, AND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. AS WE KNOW, WE DIDN'T UPDATE OUR CODE AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW STATE LAW THAT REFLECTED HOW THESE DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE FOR 3+ LOTS. SO, THE FIRST 
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THING WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE OURSELVES HAVE A PROCESS SO THAT OUR CITY UNDERSTANDS WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE FEDERAL OR IN THE STATE LAWS THAT WE COMPLY GOING FORWARD. SECONDLY, I AM VERY CURIOUS TO KNOW, WAS THAT THE INTENTION OF THIS CITY COMMISSION WHEN YOU VOTED FOR THESE CHANGES? WERE YOU INTENDING TO DECREASE LOT SIZES AND DECREASE FRONTAGE ON BEACH AVENUE TO 40 FEET? IF IT WAS THE INTENT, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY. WHERE THAT CAME FROM, AND IF IT IS STILL YOUR INTENT. 
          AND IF IT WASN'T YOUR INTENT, I THINK WE NEED TO REEXAMINE THAT. FINALLY, IN REGARDS TO 9C ON THE TREES, THE NUMBERS FOR 2026 ACTUALLY LOOK JUST AS BAD AS 2025, TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE. WE'VE CUT DOWN 1,327 INCHES AND PLANTED, WE HAVE PROPOSED PLANTING OF 254 INCHES, A RATIO OF ABOUT 5 TO 1. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THE ONES BEING CUT DOWN ARE LARGER, HAVE STRONGER ROOT SYSTEMS, ARE INVOLVED IN STABILIZING OUR GROUND, ABSORBING WATER, DOING ALL THE THINGS WE KNOW THAT TREES DO. 
          AND WE NEED TO STOP THE HEMORRHAGING. 
          AT THE MAY TOWN HALL MEETING, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU BOTH THESE NUMBERS I JUST QUOTED AND THE MAY TOWN HALL AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO 3 ITEMS. ON THAT AGENDA. 
          NUMBER 1 WAS AUTOMATIC HERITAGE STATUS. AT THAT TIME, THE NUMBER USED WAS 30 INCHES, BUT IT WAS AN AUTOMATIC CLASSIFICATION WAS THE RECOMMENDATION. WE NEED THAT. 
          IT DOESN'T APPLY ONLY TO LIVE OAK TREES. ALL OF THESE TREES ARE ESSENTIAL AND IMPORTANT, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE EXPERTS OF ESC WHY. 
          THE 4TH POINT WAS EXPANDED UMBRELLA. SO THAT MORE TREES, INCLUDING SPECIAL SPECIES, ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. AND FINALLY, THE RETENTION MANDATE REQUIRES A 20% CANOPY RETENTION FOR ALL PROJECTS TO PREVENT CLEAR-CUTTING. WE NEED THIS VERY URGENTLY. AND SO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER VOTING UP ITEM 9C AND FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF NOT ONLY OUR EXPERTS BUT THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH WHO ARE LITERALLY BEGGING YOU TO STOP THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, DR. STUTZ. 
          JACKIE BECKENBAUGH. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, CITY STAFF, I HAVE 2 TOPICS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS EVENING, THE FIRST BEING TO PERSONALLY CONGRATULATE KEVIN HOGENCAMP ON BEING OUR CITY MANAGER. I KNEW MONTHS AGO YOU WERE THE RIGHT GUY. GLAD TO SEE THAT THE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER GRANT FINALLY REALIZED THE VALUE THAT YOU WERE BRINGING AND PUT YOU INTO THAT ROLE. AS PLEASED AS I AM THAT YOU ARE IN THE ROLE, I WAS A LITTLE DISTURBED BY THE PROCESS. I THINK THERE WAS NO PUBLIC NOTICE, NO AGENDA ITEM, NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION. SO, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND, AND OVERREACH. I AM VERY PLEASED THOUGH, KEVIN, FOR YOU TO BE IN THE ROLE. I THINK YOU'RE DOING A FABULOUS JOB, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. SECOND TOPIC I WANTED TO ADDRESS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE TREES. I ATTENDED THE 2-HOUR WORKSHOP BACK IN MAY, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT DISCUSSION REGARDING WAYS TO PROTECT THE MARITIME FOREST AND THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING SO. 
          AND NOW I HEAR THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SERIOUSLY PROTECT THE OAKS, THE LIVE OAKS OF 30-INCH DIAMETER. IF THE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE ATLANTIC BEACH'S UNIQUE MARITIME FOREST AND TREE CANOPY, LIMITING PROTECTION ONLY TO LIVE OAKS THAT ARE 30 INCHES IN DIAMETER IS UNLIKELY TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. A STRONGER APPROACH IS TO PROTECT ALL TREE SPECIES 20 INCHES IN DIAMETER AND GREATER, WITH ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS FOR THE HERITAGE SPECIES. A MARITIME FOREST IS AN ECOSYSTEM, NOT JUST LIVE OAKS. WHILE LIVE OAKS ARE THE SIGNATURE SPECIES OF ATLANTIC BEACH, A HEALTHY MARITIME FOREST CONSISTS OF MANY TREE SPECIES WORKING TOGETHER. PROTECTING ONLY ONE SPECIES IGNORES THE DIVERSITY THAT GIVES THE FOREST ITS RESILIENCE, AND A MARITIME FOREST LOSES ECOLOGICAL VALUE WHEN MATURE NON-OAK TREES ARE REMOVED, EVEN IF LIVE OAKS REMAIN. A 20-INCH TREE MAY BE SEVERAL DECADES OLD AND ALREADY PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL BENEFITS. 
          WAITING UNTIL A TREE REACHES 30 INCHES MEANS MANY MATURE 
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TREES CAN BE REMOVED BEFORE THEY EVER QUALIFY FOR PROTECTION. YOU CANNOT REMAIN, OR YOU CANNOT REPLACE A MATURE CANOPY QUICKLY. A DEVELOPER CAN PLANT DOZENS OF SMALL REPLACEMENT TREES, BUT THEY DO NOT REPLACE THE ECOLOGICAL FUNCTION OF A MATURE 20-INCH TREE. A 30-INCH THRESHOLD CREATES A LARGE LOOPHOLE. IF PROTECTION BEGINS ONLY AT 30 INCHES, PROPERTY OWNERS MAY REMOVE TREES ONCE THEY GET INTO THE 20-29-INCH RANGE TO AVOID HAVING TO DEAL WITH A HERITAGE TREE. 
          DEVELOPERS GAIN INCENTIVE TO CLEAR MATURE TREES BEFORE THEY REACH THEIR PROTECTED STATUS. MULTIPLE SPECIES INCREASE STORM RESILIENCE. THE CHARACTER OF ATLANTIC BEACH DEPENDS ON MORE THAN HERITAGE LIVE OAKS. RESIDENTS AND VISITORS VALUE ATLANTIC BEACH BECAUSE OF THE SHADE TREES, THE NATURAL CANOPY, THE WOODED NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE MARITIME FOREST CHARACTER. THOSE QUALITIES COME FROM THOUSANDS OF MATURE TREES OF VARIOUS SPECIES, NOT JUST LARGEST LIVE OAKS. 
          PROTECTING ALL SPECIES AT 20 INCHES RECOGNIZES THAT THE COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER IS CREATED BY THE ENTIRE FOREST. A BALANCED APPROACH IS POSSIBLE. 
          A REASONABLE ORDINANCE COULD: 01, PROTECT ALL TREES 20 INCHES DBH. 2, ESTABLISH ENHANCED HERITAGE TREE PROTECTIONS ON 30 INCHES OR GREATER; 3, PROVIDE EVEN STRONGER PROTECTION FOR EXCEPTIONAL LIVE OAKS AND SPECIMEN TREES. 4, ALLOW REMOVAL ONLY WHEN A TREE IS HAZARDOUS, DISEASED, OR IT'S UNAVOIDABLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS CREATES A TIERED SYSTEM THAT PROTECTS BOTH THE CURRENT CANOPY AND THE FUTURE CANOPY. IF WE ONLY PROTECT LIVE OAKS ONCE THEY REACH 30 INCHES IN DIAMETER, WE'RE PROTECTING YESTERDAY'S FOREST. PROTECTING ALL SPECIES AT 20 INCHES PROTECTS TOMORROW'S FOREST. ATLANTIC BEACH'S MARITIME FOREST IS NOT A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL TREES. IT IS TRULY AN ECOSYSTEM, AND IT'S PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, SHADE, WILDLIFE HABITAT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS THAT DEFINE OUR COMMUNITY, WE MUST PROTECT THE MATURE TREES OF TODAY BEFORE THEY BECOME THE HERITAGE TREES OF TOMORROW. SO, I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN. I HOPE YOU ALL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION THIS EVENING. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS THAT THERE IS VERY STRONG INTEREST IN PROTECTING ALL OF OUR TREES, NOT JUST THE 30-INCHERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BECKENBAUGH. DAN, JOE, JOE AVANUCCI. MR. GIOVANNUCCI. 
          DANIELA GIOVANNUCCI. I LIVE ON 5TH STREET AT 380. THANK YOU. DAN IS FINE, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, KEVIN. MY CONGRATULATIONS AS WELL. SMALL NOTE ON SALARIES, I THINK THE BEST SALARIES ARE OFTEN TIED TO PERFORMANCE. AND SO, ESPECIALLY IN A DIFFICULT BUDGET YEAR WHEN WE HAVE TO REALLY FIGURE THINGS OUT, I THINK THAT COULD BE A WAY TO SATISFY KEVIN AND ALSO SATISFY THOSE OF US WHO PREFER TIGHT BUDGETS OVERALL, RIGHT? SO MAYBE THERE'S A WIN-WIN, AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP THAT HAS BROUGHT MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, AND OTHERS HAVE BROUGHT THE ISSUE OF LANDMARK TREES, AS WE'RE CALLING THEM AT THE MOMENT, TO THE FORE AND HAVE MOVED ON THIS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO, I HAVE 3 THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID IS QUITE ACCURATE. 
          WE ARE LOSING AT THE, LAST YEAR WE LOST AT JUST OVER 6 TO 1, MEANING EVERY 6 INCHES WE LOST, WE REPLANTED 1 INCH. YOU'VE HEARD THAT DATA ALREADY. IT'S NOT FINALIZED. 
          SO WE'RE WAITING. HOPEFULLY IN A WEEK OR 2, WE'LL HAVE CONFIRMATION OF THE ACTUAL DATA POINTS, BUT WE'RE REASONABLY SURE. 
          IT'S JUST AS BAD, IF NOT WORSE, THIS YEAR. SO WE HAVE A REAL TREND PROBLEM GOING ON, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE BIG TREES. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE, TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT A LITTLE MORE BROADLY THAN JUST LOOKING AT THE LANDMARK TREES. ONE IS THAT BEYOND THOSE LANDMARK TREES, THE ENTIRE BIODIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE IS WHAT MAINTAINS LANDMARK LIVE OAKS. MOST OF THE LIVE OAKS WE HAVE WOULD NOT SURVIVE VERY LONG IF THEY WERE ON THEIR OWN. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND THAT'S FROM A BIODIVERSITY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS FROM A STORM PERSPECTIVE. 
          TREES BEND AND MOVE AT DIFFERENT RATES, AND THEY BUFFER WIND IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO HAVING 
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JUST LIVE OAKS IS PROBLEMATIC, SAME AS JUST HAVING PALMS OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL TREE. SO OPENING IT UP TO OTHER MARITIME SPECIES, I THINK, IS CRITICAL AND CERTAINLY CRITICAL FOR OUR FUTURE. 20 INCHES, THE ARGUMENTS OF DBH. SO MOST OF US COULD NOT GET OUR ARMS AROUND A 20-INCH TREE. I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO IMAGINE. WHAT IS A 20-INCH TREE? WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE? BUT I THINK JUST AS IMPORTANTLY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ONE OR TWO AUGUST MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, NONE OF YOU ARE AS OLD AS MOST 20-INCH TREES THAT WE HAVE. NONE OF YOU. SO THEY'RE ALL OLDER THAN YOU ALREADY. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT RESPECT FOR ELDERS HERE, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S YOU'VE SURVIVED 60, 50 WHATEVER YOUR AGE, SOME OF YOU MUCH YOUNGER, QUITE A WHILE. AND SO HAVE THESE TREES. AND THAT'S, I THINK YOU'D AGREE, IT HASN'T BEEN EASY, RIGHT, COMMISSIONER? WOULD YOU AGREE? YEAH. 39. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE 40. YOU DON'T LOOK A DAY OVER 40. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHILE WE'RE TAKING THIS INTO ACCOUNT, THIS IS JUST ONE SMALL PART OF WHAT WE CALL OUR CANOPY, OUR ENVIRONMENT. CHAPTER 23 HAS A LOT OF FEATURES IN IT. AS MAYOR REEVES SAID, ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A LOT OF THOSE PIECES WITH STAFF, WITH THE SUPPORT OF STAFF, AND WE'VE COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE NOW ABOUT 2 YEARS OLD. AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. 
          SO I HOPE THAT ALONG WITH THIS WAVE AROUND THIS ONE TREE ISSUE, THAT THE OTHER 15 OR 20 ISSUES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO MAINTAINING OUR ENVIRONMENT ARE ALSO ADDRESSED, AND THAT'S ADDRESSING CHAPTER 23. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN READY, THEY'VE BEEN PREPARED, THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED, AND ARE, I THINK, WAITING SIMPLY FOR HOPEFULLY THIS NOT TO GO TO A 3RD YEAR. I HOPE WE HAVE THE LEADERSHIP IN PLACE. I THINK WE DO. TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. GIOVANNUCCI. ALBERT, ALBERT KERBER. I'LL BE QUICK ON THIS. YOU, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. ALBERT KERBER, FIRST STREET. 300 BLOCK. YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON CITY MANAGER SEARCH, AND NOW WE FOUND A CITY MANAGER, BUT YOU STILL PICKED A SEARCH FIRM HERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO. YOU NEED A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW BETWEEN THE LAST 2 SPEAKERS, BUT BRINKLEY SAYING THAT WE GOT TO PART DOWN WITH MONEY, BUT KEVIN IS GOING TO BE WEARING 2 HATS. HE'S GOING TO HAVE EXTRA WORKLOAD I HEAR PEOPLE PITCHING FOR HIS SALARY TO BE REDUCED. 
          THAT'S NOT FAIR TO HIM. 18 TO 24 MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A HEADHUNTER COMING AFTER HIM. IN 2017, JANUARY 9TH MEETING, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT TAPE, THAT'S WHEN CITY MANAGER WAS TERMINATED. THERE WAS NO DEPUTY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TO SIGN CHECKS, AND NOBODY WAS ABOUT TO STEP UP AFTER THE CITY MANAGER GOT TERMINATED. THAT WAS WHEN THEY REACHED OUT TO KEVIN TO START COMING IN HERE ON, AND HE HAD HIS MEDIA COMPANY. 
          GOOD MEMORY, HUH? SO ANYWAY, I HAD TO FIND THAT TAPE. 
          BUT ANYWAY THEY HAD TO GET KEVIN TO COME IN HERE THEN BECAUSE THEY HAD NOBODY TO BE ABLE TO PITCH HIT AS FAR AS CITY MANAGER. THAT TURNED INTO A MESS. HE'S GOING TO WANT TIME OFF. WE NEED SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SIT THAT CHAIR, OKAY? SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY. 
          COVID THAT'S THE POINT WITH THE MINISTERS. AND MY MINISTER OF CHURCH, HE DIED DURING COVID SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IT'S GOING TO HIT, AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER BUG LIKE THAT. 
          ANOTHER THOUGHT ON THIS IS DROP THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY MANAGERS TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. FORTUNATELY, KEVIN ALREADY DOES, BUT THAT'S TURNING INTO A DISASTER FINDING SOMEBODY THAT CAN BUY THE PROPERTY. PLACE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SOLD IT ALMOST $1.3 MILLION FOR JUST A 1957-BUILT HOUSE. 
          SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING SITUATION. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY HURTING SOMEBODY TO TRY TO COME IN HERE. WE ARE LOSING OUR TREE CANOPY. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR WATER OAKS. WE GOT A TON OF THEM AROUND. I'VE GOT ONE IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAD TERMITES IN IT. IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME TRIMMING DONE. I'M AFRAID TO HAVE ANYBODY COME UP AND TRIM THE LIMBS ON MY SIDE. I'M AFRAID IT WILL MAKE IT OFF BALANCE AND FALL BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ON ITS LAST LEGS. WE NEED TO START PLANTING TREES NOW AND LOOK AT THE TREE FUND TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. AND DON'T GO WITH A SATELLITE OVERHEAD. 
          THAT JUST SHOWS NOTHING BUT GREEN LIKE THIS ZERO SEMINOLE ROAD. A LOT 
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OF IT'S SCRUB OAKS. IF THE BETTER SATELLITE VIEW THAT I LOOKED AT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE SAW PALMETTOS COMING UP THROUGH THAT SCRUB OAK CANOPY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IT IS, AND IT'S A LOT OF TRASH TREES ON THERE, AND WE NEED STUFF THAT'S GOING TO LAST, NOT JUST THOSE OLD TRASH TREES THAT ARE ON THE DUNE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY ANYWAY. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. KERBER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR TO OUR GUESTS, AND LET ME GET BACK ON MY AGENDA. MOVING TO ITEM 3 
          [3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
CITY MANAGER REPORTS. MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD, CITY COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. FIRST ITEM 3A, I'M ASKING THAT YOU ACCEPT THE 90-DAY CALENDAR FROM JUNE TO AUGUST. COMMISSIONERS, ANY CHANGES, CORRECTIONS? OKAY, IT'S ACCEPT, ACCEPTED. THANK YOU. THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, A COMMUNITY UPDATE, THERE'S A COPY AT THE FRONT DOOR HERE. IT'S POSTED ONLINE, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE AN ABBREVIATED VERSION HERE AND WELCOME ANY INPUT AFTER MY PRESENTATION OR AT ANY POINT BETWEEN MEETINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY OR THE CITY COMMISSION. AS FAR AS MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER, IN ADDITION TO INVITING AN OPEN DIALOGUE ON ANY TOPIC AT THE JULY 18TH TOWN HALL MEETING, WE WILL ACTIVELY SEEK COMMUNITY INPUT AT THAT MEETING REGARDING PARKS MASTER PLANNING AND THE SPECIFIC PROGRAMMING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER. FOR OUR CENTENNIAL AMERICA 250 CELEBRATION, WHICH WILL BE RIGHT THERE JUST OUTSIDE THE CENTER AT BEACHES VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, OUR STAFF IS PUTTING TOGETHER A FAMILY-FRIENDLY CELEBRATION. I HOPE YOU ALL COME. IT MARKS A HISTORIC DOUBLE MILESTONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CENTENNIAL AND AMERICA'S 250TH. BIRTHDAY. IT'S FROM 10 TO 2 SATURDAY, JULY 11TH, AND PLEASE COME. IT'S THERE'S AN EXCITING LINEUP OF MUSIC AND SOME GREAT HIGH-PROFILE DIGNITARIES WILL BE ON HAND TO GIVE REMARKS. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A CEREMONIAL READING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND SOME PATRIOTIC MUSIC. BEACHES TOWN CENTER STREETLIGHT REPLACEMENT UPDATE. 
          THE AGENCY REPRESENTED THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH IS WORKING WITH, BOTH OF WHOM LIVE IN ATLANTIC BEACH, ARE CONTINUING TO FINALIZE THEIR PROPOSED PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION PLAN FOR NEW STREET LIGHTING. WE'RE WAITING STILL FOR THEIR PROPOSAL TO BE IN OUR HANDS. AND BY WE, I MEAN THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH ALONG WITH MYSELF. AND UPON COMPLETION OF THEIR PROJECT PLANNING, WE'RE READY TO PROCEED JOINTLY WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS ARE UPCOMING. THE FIRST ONE IS NEXT MONDAY, A WEEK FROM TONIGHT, AT 6 PM. IT'S THE FIRST OF 3. 
          STAFF IS PREPARING AN FY26-27 OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES OVERVIEW FOR THE UPCOMING WORKSHOP, AND WE WILL ROLL OUT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE JULY 20TH WORKSHOP. THE FINAL WORKSHOP IS AUGUST 19TH. 
          THESE SESSIONS ARE IN ADVANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION'S ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE RATE IN SEPTEMBER. AND WE WELCOME THE PUBLIC'S AND OF COURSE THE CITY COMMISSION'S INPUT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. I HAVE AN ASHBY PARK UPDATE. WHILE OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CURRENTLY, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET OUTLINED ADDING MODERN AMENITIES TO THE PARK, STRONG RESIDENT FEEDBACK HAS PROMPTED STAFF TO HALT THAT INITIATIVE. 
          UNLESS THE UPCOMING PARKS MASTER PLAN PLANNING RESULTS IN OTHERWISE, THE PARK WILL REMAIN PASSIVE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND ALTHOUGH WE REMAIN OPEN-MINDED, WE'RE NOT PROCEEDING WITH PLANS TO ADD PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR OTHER AMENITIES TO THAT PARK. AND I WELCOME THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION BUDGETED THIS. I WELCOME YOUR INPUT IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION STAFF IS HEADED IN. MAYPORT ROAD, IT'S BEEN AN EXCITING START TO THAT PROJECT. WHILE FDOT PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT LANE CLOSURES WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO NIGHTTIME TO MINIMIZE COMMUTER DISRUPTION, THAT INDEED HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE. 
          AND THEY'VE SINCE CLARIFIED THAT SOME DAYTIME LANE CLOSURES ARE NECESSARY, INCLUDING FOR MORE THAN 2 MONTHS. THE WESTBOUND ON-RAMP TO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD FROM MAYPORT ROAD IS CLOSED. THAT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN ALL THE EXTRA TRAFFIC. I REALLY AND TRULY THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS, OR WHEN WE GET THROUGH THIS, WE'LL BE GLAD WITH THE OUTCOME OF THIS PROJECT. MAY I INTERRUPT? PLEASE GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. I WOULD AGREE 
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WITH THAT LAST STATEMENT. I DO THINK THERE'S, WELL, I'M HOPEFUL THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WE COULD DO AS A THE CITY TO KIND OF EASE THAT, OR CHANGE IS NEVER EASY, AND THERE'S SOME GROWING PAINS WITH THIS. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS I HAVE GOTTEN IN THE LAST 4 YEARS ABOUT WERE ON NEWPORT ROAD. SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THIS IMPROVEMENT. I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          HOW HAS COMMUNICATION BEEN WITH FDOT AND THE CITY STAFF HERE? IT'S A SPIRITED DIALOGUE THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH FDOT, AND I'LL SPECIFICALLY GLADLY SHARE WITH YOU I'LL FORWARD THE EMAILS. IT'S, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO DO WHATEVER THE CITY CAN DO TO BOTH IMPROVE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC. RIGHT. AND I DO SEE ON THE MAPLE, ON OUR CITY WEBSITE THAT WE HAVE MAYPORT IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECT, BUT I THINK MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, I'M LOOKING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT COMMENTING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I WOULD BEGIN, BUT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH HAS JURISDICTION OVER MAYPORT ROAD, THAT WE SOMEHOW COULD CHANGE WHAT DETAILS ARE IN WORKS FOR THE PLAN, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE CAN BE ANY CHANGE. I THINK IT'S ALREADY SET IN STONE. THE PROJECT ITSELF, WHAT, 6, 8 YEARS AGO? WELL BEFORE I OR HALF OF THIS COMMISSION WERE SITTING AT THIS DAIS. BUT I'M NOT EVEN QUITE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME HAD A WHOLE LOT OF SAY IN THE PROJECTS. I DID ATTEND SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, SO I KNOW THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT WORKING WITH MY CITIZENS, WHICH I AM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY ARE. I LIVE WEST OF NEWPORT ROAD, AND THAT LANE CLOSURE ABSOLUTELY HAPPENED DAY 1, MONDAY, AND IT WASN'T BETWEEN THE HOURS OF AND . SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MORE CAN WE DO FROM OUR END, PUSH OUT MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE PUTTING OUT THOSE, THOSE IMAGES OF THE FUTURE, WHAT, WHAT FDOT HAD SENT TO US AT THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. EVEN THEM SEEING THE END RESULT MAY HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT EVEN PUSHING OUT MORE IN SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT JUST HAVING THE PAGE OF WHAT THE TIMELINE IS AND WHATEVER LITTLE INFORMATION THEY'RE PROVIDING US. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHANGES OF CLOSING LANES OR EVEN CHANGING THE PLAN ITSELF. $9.6 MILLION, I BELIEVE THAT WE CONTRIBUTED $200,000 TO THAT. AND SOME OF THIS IS TIED INTO FEDERAL MONEY, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. I KNOW THE NEWS TRIED TACKLING THIS. IT SOME WRONG INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN JUST POSTED, AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS BEFORE IT GETS WORSE. DULY NOTED. WE DID, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET WORD OUT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN FDOT PROJECT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE CONFUSION OR NOT GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM FDOT ABOUT THE RAMP BEING CLOSED. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, WE INDEED DID APPROACH FDOT. 
          WE HAD ACTIVE DIALOGUE. 
          THEY'RE DOING THIS WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP AND REQUESTS 6 TO 8 YEARS AGO. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO I WANT TO ASK AS A FOLLOW-ON, SO I HAVE NOT INSPECTED IT, BUT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU CAN'T REVERT IT. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT. IT'S UNDERWAY. BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S MILLING OF EXISTING ROADWAY. THERE'S DIGGING UP OF EXISTING ROADWAY. THERE'S FORMING UP OF NEW CURBS AND SO ON. HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING. WHILE YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUES BROUGHT FORTH BY COMMISSIONER RING, WE HAVE A CENTENNIAL, PARDON ME, WE HAVE AN AMERICA 250 CELEBRATION ON JULY 11TH. I KNOW YOU COULD MAKE THE REQUEST OF FDOT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE LANE OPEN, LET'S SAY THE DAY BEFORE, THE DAY OF, AND MAYBE EVEN THE DAY AFTER, BUT MAYBE NOT. BUT YOU COULD MAKE THAT REQUEST, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL WHERE THEY'LL BE IN THE DISRUPTION OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOUR AUTHORITY SHOULD IMMEDIATELY BE BROUGHT TO BEAR AND MINE BEHIND YOU IF YOU NEED THE MAYOR. GOT IT. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. YES, WHEN WE GOT WORD TODAY THAT THE RAMP WOULD BE CLOSED FOR 2 MONTHS, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE THOUGHT OF WAS JULY 11TH. 
          THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. YEAH, ONE THING ALSO THAT SEGUE. 
          SORRY. SORRY. SO I WAS LATE. I 
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APOLOGIZE. EVERYBODY HAD A WORK SITUATION I COULDN'T AVOID, BUT I CAME OFF THE RAMP AND TOOK A RIGHT ON PLAZA, AND THE OUTSIDE LANE OF MAYPORT ROAD WAS ALREADY CLOSED OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CLOSED. AND SO TALKING ABOUT THE RAMP BEING CLOSED TO GET ON, I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO WORK AROUND THAT. I MEAN, THAT WORK SHOULD BE DONE AND PUT SOME SORT OF TEMPORARY WAY TO GET ONTO THE RAMP. THE RAMP DOESN'T NEED TO BE REDONE, I WOULDN'T THINK. 
          BUT THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS EXIST ALL THE TIME. AND FOR, HAVE THAT RAMP CLOSED FOR, WHAT'D YOU SAY, 2 MONTHS? WELL, THAT'S JUST, THAT JUST SEEMS PRETTY UNTENABLE. I ALSO DON'T WANT TO, PLAZA, ENTERING AND EXITING PLAZA NEEDS TO BE, IT'S A KEY ARTERY THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMEHOW STAYED OPEN. AND ALSO TOO, IF FOR SOME REASON OR JUST, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND THE POLICE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE BASE TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW IF THE RAMP IS ABSOLUTELY CLOSED FOR THEIR, FOR THE SERVICEMEN AND OTHER CONTRACTORS, EVERYBODY AT THAT BASE, MAYBE USE WONDERWOOD TO JUST HELP ALLEVIATE THAT CHOKE POINT HERE AT, IN MAYPORT. I THINK IT WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC IS BASE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? IF I DIDN'T KNOW BETTER, I THINK YOU READ MY EMAILS TODAY. WE DID ADDRESS IT. YOU DID? OKAY, GOOD. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. BEFORE I DID, I SAW CHIEF POLILLO COMMUNICATING WITH THE BASE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY, I THINK THEY COULD HELP US QUITE A BIT WITH THE, I MEAN, AND EVEN IF I WOULD GUESS SOME POINT, I MEAN, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, ARE THEY GOING TO CLOSE THE RAMP TO GET ONTO MAYPORT ROAD COMING EAST ON ATLANTIC, RIGHT? IF THE ONE I JUST TOOK, IF THEY CLOSE THAT, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT TRAFFIC'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AT SEMINOLE. AND OH GOD, IT'S GOING TO BE AWFUL. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE CARDS. I HOPE. WELL, JUST, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE NOT DOING THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE. THAT'S FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE DOING RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MAYPORT AND ATLANTIC. IT COULD BE THAT THAT RAMP EMPTIES INTO THE INSIDE LANE OF MAYPORT ROAD VERSUS THE OFF-RAMP ONTO ATLANTIC IS ON THE OUTSIDE. SO THAT COULD BE THE PART THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH, BUT JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          THANKS MAYOR. CAN I ASK IF CHITA HAS ANYTHING TO ADD THAT MIGHT UH, PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, YOU COULD JUST SHAKE YOUR HEAD, BUT CHANCES ARE HE, HE CAN ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SO DAY ONE WE REALIZED THERE WAS A PROBLEM. 
          WE HAD, I THINK, 2 CRASHES THAT DAY 1 AT THAT INTERSECTION. I THINK I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T TELL YOU THIS EARLIER. I THINK WE HAD 5 OVER THE WEEKEND BECAUSE OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. DAY 1, WE WERE OFFERING FDOT OUR BEST GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY COULD DO. THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS THERE, WE WERE THERE AT 6 OR 7 IN THE MORNING WHEN WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS CLOSED. WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MOVED SOME BARRICADES FOR A FEW HOURS. BUT THE CONTRACTOR CAME BACK AND THEY LET US KNOW THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE PLAN. SO WE OFFERED THEM AGAIN OUR BEST GUIDANCE TO PROVIDE MORE MESSAGING IN THE STREET. DOT ACKNOWLEDGED OUR REQUESTS. THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE SIGNAGE OVER THE ROADWAY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE IN THAT RIGHT LANE GOING SOUTH IN NEPTUNE EXPECT THAT TO BE A STRAIGHT LANE. IT'S NOW GOING TO BE A TURN LANE BECAUSE, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER GRANT, THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ONTO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD ARE GOING UP TO THAT STOPLIGHT JUST BEFORE THE OVERPASS AND MAKING A RIGHT TO GET ONTO ATLANTIC BOULEVARD. SO THAT TIMING OF THAT LIGHT IS ALSO GOING TO BE AFFECTED. WE'VE ASKED THEM TO EXTEND THE TIMING ON THAT LIGHT. SO THERE'S MORE TIME TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION FROM MAYPORT ROAD ONTO FLORIDA BOULEVARD AND MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN. THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE PAINT GOING ON THE STREET IF IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DONE TO INDICATE TO DRIVERS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A TURN-ONLY LANE. THAT RIGHT LANE, AND THE LEFT LANE THAT USED TO BE TURN ONLY LEFT WILL BE NOW STRAIGHT AND TURN TO GET ONTO FLORIDA BOULEVARD OR ATLANTIC BOULEVARD EASTBOUND. SO WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO DOT ALL OF OUR BEST RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON MOST ALL OF THOSE. IT MAY TAKE A FEW DAYS TO GET THOSE IN PLACE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MONITOR THAT AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN TO, AGAIN, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE COMMUNICATION, WELL THEN WE'LL BE JOHNNY-ON-THE-SPOT SENDING THEM EMAILS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FAIRLY RESPONSIVE ON ACKNOWLEDGING OUR SUGGESTIONS. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR FDOT? I'M SURE THEY GET PAID WELL. 
          OUR LIAISON IS MEG. SHE'S NOT THE PROJECT MANAGER. WE HAVE A LIAISON. WE HAVE THE INFORMATION OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE THE PERSON'S NAME. MUCH OF WHAT YOU JUST SHARED, CHIEF, JUST IS COMMON SENSE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE SO ANGRY ON SOCIAL, AND I'M ONE OF THEM. AND THEY'RE THINKING, THAT THIS IS THE GOVERNING BODY MAKING THAT DECISION. AND I SURELY DO NOT 
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WANT ANY ATTACHMENT TO THE DECISION-MAKING OR THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT THAT'S JUST REALLY POOR. YEAH, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THOSE ARE SORT OF COMMON-SENSE MOT DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE UP FRONT. 
          WE'RE SURPRISED THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, HAVING CLOSED THAT LANE IN RUSH HOUR ONE MORNING. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION NOW. SO WE'RE HOPING TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT PRETTY QUICKLY. I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM WHEN THEY DON'T VERY QUICKLY. 
          WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE SENDING EMAILS IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. JUST THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE OIL. WE AGREE. WE ABSOLUTELY, WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING THE ACCIDENTS THERE WHENEVER THEY HAPPEN, AND THEY'RE LUCKILY LOW-SPEED, MINOR FENDER BENDERS, BUT IT JUST DOES TAKE A LOT OF MANPOWER TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO I, I DON'T WANT TO JUST PILE ON, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY, REALLY WORK HARD ON JULY 10TH AND JULY 11TH, BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE A WORSE EFFECT TO OUR CELEBRATION AT OUR BRAND NEW, WELL, IT'S NOT A BRAND-NEW PARK, BUT A BRAND-NEW FACILITY. AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T HEAR IT SAID EARLIER, DID YOU MENTION THAT WE MAY OFFER TOURS OF THE NEW FACILITY? I DID NOT. 
          SO, SO THE, THE NEW 05,000-SQUARE-FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER KNOWN AS MARSH OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER WILL NOT BE READY FOR RIBBON CUTTING ON JULY 11TH. I THINK WE'LL DO THAT LATE AUGUST OR MORE OCTOBER-ISH. I'M SORRY, OCTOBER. THAT'S RIGHT. SO, BUT, BUT WE THINK IT MAY BE AVAILABLE FOR SOME TOURS. SO PLEASE SHOW UP FOR AT LEAST THE, THE 250 CELEBRATION IN AND I'M ASKING YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP, BRING PEOPLE. BY THE WAY, RIDE A BICYCLE, TAKE A GOLF CART, DON'T DRIVE A HORSE, RIDE YOUR HORSE. THANKS SO MUCH. WRAPPING UP AT STURTEVANT AND AHERN, WE CONCURRENTLY HAVE PROJECTS GOING ON THERE TO EXPAND OUR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE NETWORKS AND MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ON THE SHERMAN CREEK DREDGING FUNDING THAT WE ARE PURSUING. 
          FEDERAL LEGISLATION PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE LAST WEEK INCLUDES OUR $1 MILLION COMMUNITY FUNDING REQUEST. WHILE THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE STEPS TO GO, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND NEED TO BE AT THIS POINT. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO $600,000-PLUS THAT WE STILL CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND HOPING THAT GOVERNOR DESANTIS WILL APPROVE. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE CALENDAR. WE HAVE A FREE TENNIS CLINIC FOR BEGINNERS FROM 9 TO 11 SATURDAY, JUNE 27TH AT THE SPARKLING NEW COURTS AT OUR RESURFACED COURTS AT JACK RUSSELL PARK. AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE WILL HOST A SPECIAL VIDEO PRESENTATION ENTITLED THE NATURE OF OAKS AT 6 PM THURSDAY, JULY 9TH, HIGHLIGHTING WHY OAK TREES ARE A VITAL COMPONENT OF LOCAL WILDLIFE HABITATS IN ATLANTIC BEACH. AND THAT'S THE 
          [4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS]
END OF MY REPORT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY COMMISSIONERS WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLL. YOUR REPORT, SIR. YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK. 
          NUMBER ONE, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE TONIGHT, PROBABLY THE MOST THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO IS MAKE A BUDGET FOR THE CITY AND WE TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE CUTS AND THE TAX, ETC., ETC. AND IN THE PAST, I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE DELINQUENT ON PRIORITIZING WHICH PROJECTS WE WANT. AND IT COMES TO THE HARD ONES AT THE END WHERE WE SAY, WELL, WE, WE ALL WANTED THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE NEED NUMBERS ON IT THIS YEAR JUST TO SAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR NUMBER 1, OUR NUMBER 02, OUR NUMBER 3? AND THEN THE NICE TO HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, WE, THERE'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY WE'LL BE FACING NOT HAVING OUR 22ND PRIORITY. IT'S A CLIFF. I THINK WE'VE GOT A TOWN HALL SATURDAY, RIGHT? OH, I'M SORRY, JULY 18TH. YEP. BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GET INPUT THERE THAT WE PRIORITIZE THAT. 
          GOOD NEWS, I HAVE NO REPORT ON THE CITY MANAGER. 
          FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DO SEE OUR HR DIRECTOR OUT THERE, BOB. I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK HIM. I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON WISE COUNSEL THAT HE GAVE ME INVOLVED IN THIS SEARCH. AND I THINK WE DID GOOD. THAT'S I KNOW WE HAD SOME PEOPLE, INTERESTING. I'VE, I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN MORE INPUT ON I BELIEVE 9C THAN I HAVE ON PRETTY MUCH ANY RESOLUTION THAT I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME. AND THAT'S GOOD. I THINK I'VE USED THIS TERM BEFORE, AND I THINK SOMEBODY USED IT IN HERE TONIGHT. IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT. I THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY IN HERE IS AT LEAST AN AMATEUR ARBORIST, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE SMART ENOUGH 
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OR LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ARBORIST. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERTISE, A LOT OF QUALITY INFORMATION, BUT THAT THAT'S A STAMP OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO I KNOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER ON THE 9TH. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLL. COMMISSIONER GRANT? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, YOU MAKE UP A GREAT POINT, OR BRING UP A GREAT POINT, COMMISSIONER BOLE. IS THE ARBORIST HERE TONIGHT? WHERE IS HE? YOU SHOOK YOUR HEAD. I JUST, YOU JUST GIVE ME YES OR NO ANSWER. SOMEONE KNOWS. I DON'T CARE. AND HE'S NOT HERE? HE'S NOT HERE. OKAY. HE IS HERE AND HE'S COMING IN WHEN HE'S NEEDED. LATER. 
          OKAY. YEAH. OR, OR HE CAN COME SOONER IF HE'D LIKE. OH, THAT'S GOOD. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR SOME OF THIS, BUT IT'S ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I PUT ON ONE OF THE PAGES, POLITICAL PAGES, SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT THE, MY MIC ON, THAT MIGHT HELP. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A YOUNG PERSON WHO LOST HIS LIFE IN CLAY COUNTY RIDING AN E-BIKE, RIGHT? I DO NOT KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THAT, BUT I MENTIONED ON THE POST THAT THE PARENTS NEED TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED IN MONITORING THEIR CHILD'S USE OF THE E-BIKE. AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO DO THAT IS AND MY KIDS HAVE HAD IT ON. I MEAN, IT WAS A CONDITION OF HAVING THE PHONE. IT WAS. 
          SO WE USE LIFE360. OH, YOU TEXTED HIM. SOMEONE TEXTED DARVIS. LOOK AT THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT IS ON. NOT WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR SCUTTLING OVER HERE. BUT YEAH, BUT WE USE LIFE360 AND I MEAN, THAT THING IS AWESOME. I DON'T THINK IT COSTS US ANYTHING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. BUT IT MONITORS EACH PERSON'S SPEED HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING. YOU KNOW, IT USED TO GIVE ME A REPORT AT THE END OF THE WEEK HOW FAST MY DAUGHTER WOULD DRIVE THE CAR AND IF I CAUGHT HER BEING SPEED RACER, I WAS LIKE, HEY DO YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR CAR? YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THE SAME THING CAN BE APPLIED TO E-BIKES. AND I JUST THINK THAT WAS JUST ONE SOLUTION. I MEAN, THE PARENTS GOT TO GET INVOLVED AND THEY NEED TO TRACK THEIR KIDS BETTER. 
          AND JUST KNOWING HOW FAST THEY GO ON THAT BIKE COULD, COULD BE VERY TELLING TO THEM BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU MOST OF THEM THINK THEY JUST PEDAL DOWN THE ROAD AT 10, 15 MILES AN HOUR AND MOST OF THEM ARE GOING DOUBLE THAT. 
          SO, THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS MENTIONED IN PUBLIC COMMENTS I WANT TO ADDRESS, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ONES I MISSED. I'LL GO BACK AT THE MINUTES AND LOOK AT THOSE. 
          BUT SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT, AND IT'S STATED HERE IN THIS ORDINANCE THE COMMENTARY THAT HOLLY WATERS PROVIDED, AND, AND MAYBE IT CAN BE CLARIFIED, BUT WHEN WE'RE REPLACING TREES, THEY'RE INHERENTLY GOING TO BE SMALLER THAN THE TREES THAT ARE BEING PUT IN, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE JUST BEING PAID FOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN JUVENILE TREES IN PLACE OF YOU KNOW, FULL-GROWN MATURE TREES. SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND INHERENTLY, THE WAY THINGS ARE WRITTEN, I THINK IT'S PEOPLE, IT'S CHEAPER PROBABLY FOR THEM TO JUST PAY THE MITIGATION FEE THAN REPLACE A FULL MATURE OAK AT THE SAME OR MOVE IT AT THE SAME WIDTH OR CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE TREE. SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY THESE RATIOS ARE OFF. SOMEONE MENTIONED 5 TO 1. SO THAT IS JUST A PRODUCT OF THE PAST LEGISLATION. THAT IS NOT WE DID NOT COME UP WITH THIS. 
          BUT THAT CAN CHANGE, RIGHT? IT CAN ALL CHANGE. AND I JUST WANT OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK THIS COMMISSION, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY HERE, BUT THIS IS THE, THIS COMMISSION, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THE FIRST TO CONSIDER SUCH AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE MOST MATURE TREES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS BEACH. NO OTHER MAYOR, NO OTHER COMMISSION HAS INITIATED THAT. IF THEY DID, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. SO SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT THIS COMMISSION NOT TAKING CARE OF TREES. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE TRIED TO USE THAT. 
          FOR A PLATFORM OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE THIS IS THE FIRST THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE BIG TREES. SO THAT PART IS GOING TO HAPPEN, 
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I PROMISE YOU. AND THEN LASTLY, AGAIN CONGRATS TO OUR CITY MANAGER. YOU KNOW, WE SOMEONE THANKED ME AND THE MAYOR, BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN BULL GOT SHOT DOWN, WE'RE 4 TO 1 ON THAT TWICE. YEAH, BUT YOU MADE A MOTION TO MAKE HIM MANAGER. YEAH. HOW MANY MEETINGS AGO? AND NO ONE SAID, VERY PROUD OF IT. AND NO ONE, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. IT WAS CRICKETS, RIGHT? SO WE ALL HAD, WE ALL HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT WASN'T JUST ME AND CURTIS THAT WENT THROUGH IT. IT WAS ALL OF US. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH COMMISSIONER KELLY DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM LAST WEEK OR 2 WEEKS AGO, I THINK SHE'S HAPPY THAT KEVIN'S MORE ON PRINCIPLE AND THE PROCESS IS WHAT MADE YOUR VOTE. SO I THINK ALL 5 OF US ARE PRETTY HAPPY, BUT WE HAD TO GET THERE, RIGHT? SO, AND KEVIN USED THE MOST OF HIS 4 MONTHS, YEAH, 4 MONTHS IN THE POSITION. AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT, RIGHT, OF BEING INTERIM. THAT'S, AND WE ALL THOUGHT, I DID THOUGHT THAT THIS MAY COME TO PASS PROVIDED YOU SHOWED THE MAYOR AND OTHERS WHAT YOU'RE CAPABLE OF. SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRANT. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IS THE IMPENDING CLIFF OF THE BUDGET, AND THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE POLLS AND THEY SEE TAX CUT, ALL THEY'RE LIKE, WHOA, THIS IS GREAT. AND THEN WHEN 50% OF OUR BUDGET IS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE CUTS? SO TALK IT UP AMONG YOUR FRIENDS BECAUSE THE TAX CUT IS, IS GOING TO BE A SERVICES CUT NO MATTER HOW WE, WE PHRASE IT. I GOT A COMPLIMENT FROM FLEET LANDING ON THE FARMER'S MARKET. AND THIS WAS LIKE, SHE WAS 93 AND HAD A GREAT TIME. GOOD. I DON'T KNOW. I SEE DOUG'S HERE. HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH RAIN YET? AND THEN I GUESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS, YES, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN'S CONTRACT, BUT WE, WE STILL HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FILL IN THE MANPOWER FOR WHAT HE USED TO DO, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BURN HIM OUT AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY HIM ALL OF HIS VACATION DOLLARS. SO THAT'S THE OTHER HALF OF THE EQUATION. AND WHO WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID, WAS IT WAS IT MITCH WHO SAID, OH, IT WAS. OKAY, SO THAT WE NEED, WE'VE GOT A SEARCH FIRM. LET'S KEEP SEARCHING FOR A DEPUTY. 
          OH, AND ALSO, THERE IS NO WAY FOR A HANDICAPPED PERSON TO GET IN HERE. THERE ARE NO ELECTRIC DOORS INTO THIS ROOM. OKAY, SO NOTED. 
          THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. GOT IT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR REPORT? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          COMMISSIONER RING? YES, I HAD STAFF PRINT OUT FOR YOU A FEW PAGES FROM NEPTUNE BEACH'S AGENDA MEETING HELD JUST LAST WEEK, IF YOU DON'T MIND LOOKING AT THAT WITH ME. SO THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL BY COUNCILMAN BRENT ROGERS, WHO TOOK TO HEART AND LOOKED AT LIVE LOVE OR THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. 
          THIS WAS JUST PASSED AT THE LAST SESSION. THIS WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL AS FAR AS OUR LOCAL BEACHES COMMUNITIES IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN HERE IN ATLANTIC BEACH. SO WHAT BRENT DID, OR COUNCILMAN ROGERS DID, IS HE WENT TO A CITY ATTORNEY, ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT UP AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW LOCAL COMMUNITIES, OR PARTICULAR COASTAL COMMUNITIES, TO OPT OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR ACT. AND HE DID THIS VERY WELL. SO, IF YOU WOULD JUST LOOK AT THAT FIRST BULLET, THE WHOLE PREMISE BEHIND THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WOULD PRESENT DISTINCT IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES FOR CERTAIN HIGHLY SPECIALIZED COASTAL ENVIRONMENTS DUE TO OUR UNIQUE GEOGRAPHICAL AND INFRASTRUCTURAL LIMITATIONS. 
          HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTS WOULD IMPACT OUR PUBLIC SERVICE, AND AS COMMISSIONER KELLY JUST TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING AT TAX CUTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC SERVICE CUTS POSSIBILITIES. WHEN WE ADD INTO PLACE HIGH DENSITY WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT BRINGS MORE PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, FROM FIRST RESPONDERS TO POLICE TO SCHOOLS TO ROADS TO TRAFFIC. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT TAKES IT BEFORE OUR REPRESENTATIVE, KYAN MICHAEL, WHO HE'S ALREADY MET WITH COUNCILMAN ROGERS AND WHO WOULD, SHE SAID GLADLY, 
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BRING THIS TO HER NEXT SESSION. THEY'VE PASSED IT UNANIMOUSLY AND WHAT IT WOULD DO, IF YOU GO TO THE VERY BOTTOM, LAST BULLET THERE, IT WOULD TARGET AN OPT-OUT PROVISION FOR MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE LOCATED ON A COASTAL BARRIER ISLAND THAT ENCOMPASS LESS THAN 10 SQUARE MILES AND HOUSE FEWER THAN 25,000. WITH LIVE LOCAL ACT, EVEN THOUGH IT DID PASS AT THIS SESSION, WE WOULD BE LEFT, NOT JUST US BUT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, VERY, VERY MUCH CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE. WE KEPT, WE ALREADY BUILT OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE CAN'T BUILD MORE IN A COASTAL BARRIER ISLAND AND PROVIDING EVEN MORE SERVICES WHEN WE'RE STARING RIGHT DOWN THE BARREL OF A HUGE TAX CUT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE YOU ALL IS TAKE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WHO'S ALREADY, I BELIEVE, LOOKED THROUGH THIS. HE DID, WATERS CITY ATTORNEY IN NEPTUNE BEACH SHOULD PASS THIS ALONG TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY JASON, ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, JUST TO SHARE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THE, THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH COMMISSION IN DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID, UTILIZING THE SAME LANGUAGE, OR WE CAN CHANGE IT IF WE WANT. 
          IF YOU LOOK TO THE SECOND PAGE, THEY HAVE, IT'S JUST REALLY SIMPLE. IF YOU MEET THESE 3 CRITERIA, AND AGAIN, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO REP. MICHAELS AS WELL, THIS WOULD, I THINK, STRENGTHEN THAT. POSSIBLY WE'D BE THERE'D BE MORE THAN JUST 2 IF WE DO PASS THIS AS A RESOLUTION. THERE WOULD BE MORE BEACH COMMUNITIES WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT OR OPT-OUT CLAUSE FOR OTHER BEACH COMMUNITIES. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          SINCE I'M LAST, I'M GOING TO ADD ON TO THAT. SO LIKEWISE, I'D SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE OF NEPTUNE BEACH, AND I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU KIND OF, IT'S REALLY JUST AN ADD-ON BECAUSE IT IS UNIQUE AND I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY COME TO YOU IN A SECOND AND ASK YOUR OPINION ON THIS. 
          BUT I INITIALLY, WHEN I SPOKE TO MR. ROGERS, I'M LIKE, LET ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT DOESN'T REALLY LIKE HOME RULE AT TIMES, HOW THEY WOULD JUST GIVE UP ON THEIR, THE LAW THAT THEY PASSED AND LET US GET A PASS. 
          BUT HERE'S, AND I THINK YOU ARTICULATED IT FINE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO PUNCTUATE IT. 
          BY SEGREGATING OUT AND SHOWING US AS DIFFERENT ON A BARRIER ISLAND WITH LIMITED ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS, MEANING ONLY SO MUCH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND SO ON, THAT YOU TAKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LIKE THE KMART SITE AND TAKE IT OUT OF PLAY FOR COMMERCIAL TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS AND TURN IT INTO HOUSING, IN THIS CASE LOW-INCOME HOUSING, IT'S A REAL IT'S A REAL STRESSOR ON THE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT RIGHT THERE IS UNIQUE. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER NUANCES TO IT. AND SO AFTER I INITIALLY TOLD HIM, WHAT, ARE YOU CRAZY? THEN I'M STARTING TO THINK MAYBE THERE'S LEGS TO THIS. SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, SINCE YOU SEEM TO ALSO BE AWARE OF THIS. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT MAKE IT INTO THE LEGISLATURE AND ACTUALLY GET CONSIDERATION? WELL, EVERY INDICATION, JASON GABRIEL HERE. EVERY INDICATION IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE REPRESENTATIVE MICHAELS HAS OFFERED. SO EVERY REPRESENTATIVE, I BELIEVE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, GETS, I THINK, UP TO 7 BILLS PER LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND IT APPARENTLY, THROUGH THE DIALOGUE WITH THAT COMMISSIONER IN NEPTUNE BEACH AND HER, SHE HAS OFFERED TO ALLOW ONE OF THOSE 7 BILLS TO BE THIS NARROW EXEMPTION. 
          AND IT IS A NARROW EXEMPTION, AS COMMISSIONER RING HAS OUTLINED. IT'S COASTAL BARRIER ISLAND AS DEFINED. THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITION, LESS THAN 10 SQUARE MILES AND A POPULATION OR LESS THAN 25,000 RESIDENTS. SO IT IS A VERY NARROW EXEMPTION. AND WHAT NEPTUNE BEACH DID IS THEY BASICALLY AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO DRAFT A LETTER, AND I HAVE A DRAFT OF THAT LETTER. THAT, THAT IS YOU KNOW, SEEKING TO SUPPORT THAT EXEMPTION. SO THAT'S, WE WOULD DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I THINK, YEAH, THANK YOU, AND I'LL CALL ON YOU IN A SECOND. I THINK WHAT'S UNIQUE HERE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT POWER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND SO MUCH POWER IS CONSOLIDATED IN SOUTH FLORIDA, YOU CAN JUST ONLY IMAGINE THAT PROBABLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO DOESN'T GET MUCH CONSIDERATION BY THOSE LEGISLATORS. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THEIR CITIES, BECAUSE THOSE, THE POPULATIONS DOWN THERE ARE MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS. WOULD YOU SAY 25,000 OR, RIGHT, 25,000 RESIDENTS OR LESS? YEAH, SO THAT'S US. 
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OF COURSE JAX BEACH IS ABOVE THAT. I THINK, NO, THEY'RE UNDER 20. I DID ASK, OKAY, BUT, BUT I GUESS THE POINT IS MAYBE THERE'S LEGS TO THIS. AND IT'S CERTAINLY A GREAT OLD SAYING MOMMY USED TO SAY, NOTHING YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU DON'T ASK FOR. SO NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD PRESENT THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, YOUR, YOUR LETTER. AND I DO, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DO THAT? YES. YES. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? HE WORKS FOR US. NO, I MEAN THAT JUST, SO THIS IS FREE? WELL, SO THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS ALREADY DRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY IN NEPTUNE BEACH, AN AMENDMENT TO LIVE LOCAL TO GIVE TO REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL TO BRING BEFORE HER NEXT SESSION AND SAY, OKAY, LIVE LOCAL JUST HAD A BROAD STROKE AND ACROSS THE BOARD, MAYBE, I MEAN, THIS COULD WORK IN JACKSONVILLE, IT COULD WORK MAYBE IN MIAMI OR MIAMI BEACH OR LARGE TOWNS WHERE THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PROPERTY TO BUILD HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT IN BARRIER ISLANDS, COASTAL BARRIER ISLAND CITIES, SMALL CITIES, LESS 25,000 RESIDENTS, LESS THAN 10 SQUARE MILES, WHERE WE'RE REALLY AT A STANDSTILL. WE CANNOT BUILD OUT ANYMORE, AND WHERE OUR RESOURCES ARE NOWHERE NEAR MIAMI BEACH'S RESOURCES. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR THIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. SO I THINK WE HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE, BUT NEPTUNE BEACH HAS ALREADY DRAFTED IT. THEY, IT CANNOT HURT. THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN IS REP. 
          MICHAEL DOESN'T BRING IT BEFORE THE REST OF THE LEGISLATORS. YEAH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS IS JUST A DIRECTIVE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WRITE A LETTER AND PRESENT IT TO REP. MICHAELS SO THAT THERE'S 2 CITIES SIDE BY SIDE THAT ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME. BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT MY THUMBPRINT ON IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF I SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS WORKING WITH BEACHES HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. AND I, I, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT NOT AT THE INTERSECTION OF A1A AND ATLANTIC. AND NOT JUST BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ABOUT KEEPING THAT FOR THE WEALTHY PEOPLE AND THE LOW-INCOME PEOPLE CAN'T BE THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT DENSITY IN A LOCATION THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE FIGHT HAS BEEN ABOUT, IS NOT HAVING CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY. AND, AND THE FIRST CONTROL LOSS IS NEPTUNE BEACH RESIDENTS, BUT IT IMPACTS TAX ATLANTIC BEACH TOO. SO ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE DENSITY OF HAVING THIS LOW-INCOME PROJECT AND UNDER-LIVED LOCAL, IF THEY WERE TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, BUT IF THEY WERE TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT THEY'RE EXEMPTED FROM THE NORMAL REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVALS FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURE DECIDED THIS WAS THE WAY TO FORCE THE ISSUE OF GETTING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO I'M NOT EVEN FAULTING THE LEGISLATURE, BUT THE OFFSHOOT OF THAT IS WE MIGHT BE POWERLESS OR SOMEWHAT POWERLESS TO STOP IT, AND THEN WE WOULD REGRET THAT WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING. JUST ONE LAST CAVEAT TO THAT. THEY ALSO UNDER LIVE LOCAL, THEY DO QUALIFY FOR CERTAIN TAX REDUCTIONS. SO THAT WOULD MEAN THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAYING INTO THE SERVICES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED. YEAH, GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO, SO, BUT WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND GIVE US A COPY OF THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING? COPY OF THE YOUR LETTER? OH, SURE. YEAH, I'LL DRAFT THE LETTER MUCH IN THE SAME SPIRIT AS NEPTUNE BEACH. PLEASE BRING IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, SUPER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I BELIEVE I'M THE LAST PERSON TO SPEAK 
          [5.A. PLAT25-0002 (0 Seminole Road) — Referral to the Director of Planning and Community Development, as the designated administrative official, for administrative review and approval pursuant to §§ 177.071 and 177.091, Florida Statutes. No Commission action on the merits. (Procedural; not a quasi-judicial hearing.) ]
ON THIS. I'M GOING TO WAIVE MY RIGHTS TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT LEFT ON THE AGENDA, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE SOME UNFINISHED BUSINESS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          ITEM 5A, PLAT NUMBER 25-0002, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS ZERO SEMINOLE ROAD. REFERRAL TO, THIS IS A REFERRAL TO THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS THE DESIGNATED ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 177. 171 AND 177.091 FLORIDA STATUTES. NO COMMISSION ACTION ON THE MERITS, AND IN BRACKETS, IT'S PROCEDURAL. 
          IT'S NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A, WELL, MR. HOGENCAMP, ARE YOU GOING TO REPORT ON THIS? THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, JUST PRETTY SIMPLY, AT THE LAST MEETING YOU HAD DESIGNATED AMANDA AS THE OFFICIAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSON WHO'S GOING TO ADJUDICATE ON THIS. AND THIS IS SIMPLY A 
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MEASURE BECAUSE 2 MEETINGS AGO IT WAS DEFERRED TO THIS MEETING. SO THIS IS SIMPLY A MEASURE TO REMAND THE ITEM TO AMANDA. 
          SO THE MOTION WITH A SECOND AND ACTION WOULD BE TO SIMPLY REMAND THE PLAT TO AMANDA AS A DESIGNATED ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE PLAT ITEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE NEED A MOTION? YES, SIR. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5A REFERRAL TO PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION, SECOND. DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, AMANDA. NOW THAT YOU HAVE THIS, WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR REVIEWING THAT APP YOU DON'T LIKE, YES, COME ON UP, AMANDA. AND I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK AS SHE WALKS UP HERE TO SAY THAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES 7 DAYS OR LESS. THERE YOU GO, IT'S ALL ON THERE. GOOD JOB, 
          [6. CONSENT AGENDA]
AMANDA. GOOD. OKAY WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 6. 
          ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. 
          THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. 
          SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM 6A, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-77. 6B, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-78. I WANT TO PULL THAT ONE. OKAY. WE'LL PULL 26-78. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO, WE HAVE ONE ITEM, WHICH IS 6A, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-77. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL THAT ONE? OKAY. NO REQUEST FOR THAT. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 26-77. SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. DISCUSSION? OH, NO DISCUSSION ON THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          NOW WE'LL GO TO ITEM 6B. AND IF YOU LET ME CATCH UP HERE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT OUT, WHICH IS, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? 31. THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS RESOLUTION 26-78 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE A TASK AUTHORIZATION TO CRAWFORD MURPHY AND TILLEY, INC. TO DESIGN THE SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SAILFISH DRIVE MULTI-USE PATH PROJECT. 
          MR. HOGANCAMP, CAN YOU? THANK YOU. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES TO ISSUE A TASK AUTHORIZATION TO DESIGN A SIDEWALK AND OTHER PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ON SAILFISH. THIS IS FOR DESIGN ONLY. THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR. WE HAVE A PENDING STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN THAT'LL HELP US FUND THIS PROJECT. IN THE MEANTIME, DUE TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUDGET CYCLE AND SOME PRIORITIES, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALREADY THIS YEAR, WE ARE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. 
          WITH THE IDEA OF COMPLETING, IT DURING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHEN WE EXPECT TO BE BETTER POSITIONED FUNDING-WISE BECAUSE OF A STATE APPROPRIATION. SO THAT'S THE CORRIDOR WHERE THE FAMILIES ARE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING PLACES TO PARK. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD AN 8-FOOT SIDEWALK TO THAT CORRIDOR, AND WE'RE GOING TO EXACERBATE THE PARKING ISSUE FOR THOSE OLDER HOUSES. SO WHERE DOES THIS, WHERE ARE WE TAKING THE REAL ESTATE TO BUILD THIS PATH? SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT AND LET YOU ALL GET A FRESH LOOK AT IT AND REVISIT EVEN THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT IF YOU WANT. WE CAN DO THAT IN A MEETING OR BETWEEN MEETINGS OR BOTH. SO I'LL GET TO WORK ON EDUCATING YOU ALL AND THE COMMUNITY ON THIS PROJECT SO YOU'D BE BETTER INFORMED BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD. SO I'M JUST THINKING WE'RE SPENDING $92,000 ON THE DESIGN, AND IT'S A RELATIVELY SHORT PATHWAY THAT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF DEMAND FOR IT. IT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT WITH OUR COMING BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, THERE MIGHT BE WAYS, OTHER PLACES WHERE WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY MORE PROFITABLY. THANK YOU. IF I MAY MAKE ONE, YEAH, PLEASE. IDENTIFIED IN OUR CONNECTIVITY PLAN THAT 
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OF COURSE WAS VETTED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. UH HAVING SAID THAT, STILL, LET'S GIVE IT A FRESH LOOK IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, THIS WAS ALSO IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FROM THERE, BUT WE'RE CARRYING OUT WHAT THE COMMISSION BUDGETED. YES, AND THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR THE, THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ADD ON TO YOURS. 
          BUT ISN'T THIS PART OF OUR MONEY THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR GOVERNOR NOT TO VETO? IT IS. YEAH. SO ASSUMING THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T VETO IT, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY. IT WAS IN OUR CONNECTIVITY PLAN. SO THIS IS PROBABLY, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH NOT DOING IT, BUT I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THIS COULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY BROUGHT UP, AND THAT IS THE PARKING. SO WE HAVE SOME OF OUR NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDORS LIKE ROYAL PALM DRIVE, THAT WE, PEOPLE DON'T PARK ON THE STREET. NOW IN SAILFISH, THEY PARK ON THE STREET, RIGHT? NO. 
          OKAY, SO THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO ADDRESS, IS DO WE CHANGE? BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT DAY FROM 1965 WHEN THAT COMMUNITY WAS BUILT, AND, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WELL, YOU DON'T MIND? YES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP, IS THAT WE DID BRING, WE DID DISCUSS THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS AGO, BUT WE HAD SOME CITIZENS BRING UP THE FACT THAT THERE'S 2 SIDES OF THE COIN. ONE IS IT'S AN OLDER PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE RESIDENTS REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO PARK. 
          AND BECAUSE OF COVERING UP SOIL THAT DOESN'T PERMEATE DO WE REALLY WANT MORE DRIVEWAY? WHICH WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T. 
          BUT THEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT CAN THEY, CAN'T DO? AND I FORGET WHAT HAPPENED, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAPPENED. NOTHING HAPPENED. BUT DISAPPEARED INTO THE ETHER. BUT WE NEED TO LIKE BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER WITH THIS SIDEWALK AND SEE WHAT, WE DO. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING. THEY DO HAVE SOME PLACE TO PARK. IT'S JUST NOT ON THE SIDEWALK. RIGHT. 
          REMEMBER, THERE'S A WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE. AND THEN IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE SETBACKS ON THOSE HOMES IS MORE THAN 20 FEET ON THE PROPERTY LINE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO MANY OF OUR AREAS IN ATLANTIC BEACH ARE 20-FOOT SETBACKS. I THINK IT'S 30 FEET THERE. SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A PARKING PAD NEXT TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, NOT ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY COULD DO THAT. SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A SHORTAGE OF PARKING. THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PARK AS CLOSE TO THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'D NOW BE A MULTI-USE PAD. AND I FORGET ALL THE MINUTIAE THAT WAS INTO THIS, BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME HOMES THAT ARE PARKING 2 PERSONAL, 3, MAYBE 3 PERSONAL CARS AND A PROFESSIONAL VEHICLE, THEIR WORK VEHICLE. 
          SO YOU GOT 4 CARS FACING THE HOME, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS A SINGLE-LANE DRIVEWAY. YES. SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          LET'S JUST BRING IT ALL TOGETHER, KEVIN, AND HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. THANK YOU. SO I MOVE WE TABLE THIS TO A DATE AFTER THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THE BUDGET. 
          THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND. 
          THERE'S A SECOND. DISCUSSION? JUST WANT CLARITY ON WHAT DATE WE'RE GOING TO, I KNOW, YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE, WHEN WE CAN REASONABLY EXPECT TO READDRESS IT. I MEAN, I KNOW HOW OLD THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN IS, AND OUR, OUR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS HAVE, HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER BOLE. GOING BACK A FEW YEARS, IF YOU LOOK OUT AT THE, THE 8-FOOT SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM SCHOOL ALL THE WAY DOWN, IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS A WHILE BACK I THINK WE GOT, IT'S ROADS OR BIKES TO SCHOOL, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. YEAH, SAFE. OKAY, THAT WAS FUNDED, RIGHT, I THINK BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? SO I GUESS MY POINT IS WHY I'LL VOTE AGAINST THIS IS THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE AND BE READY, AND IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT WE GET THE FUNDING MAYBE WE DON'T, BUT THEN THERE'S THE GREEN LIGHT. 
          SO I'M SURE WE CAN REVISIT IT, LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT REMEMBER IT WAS IN OUR PLAN AND WE VOTED ON IT AND WE FUNDED IT, OR WE FUNDED WHAT, THE PART OF IT. SO JUST WANT TO, KEVIN, IS THERE A CAVEAT TO THIS CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE'RE WAITING ON THE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT BEFORE WE START THIS PROJECT? NO, NO, BUT THAT'S INDEPENDENT, FRANKLY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY. 
          CONCURRENTLY WE'RE PURSUING THAT FUNDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND WE'RE USING FUNDS FROM OUR BUDGET, FROM OUR GENERAL FUND. WE WOULD, IF WE, IF WE GET THE FUNDING FROM THE STATE, WE WOULD AMEND OUR BUDGET TO REFLECT THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN. DO WE HAVE TO SPEND IT BEFORE WE GET IT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, OR BEFORE WE GET IT FROM THE STATE? NO. NO. OKAY, SO LET'S DON'T. COMMISSIONER RING, SILENCE. I THINK IF WE GET THE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNOR, I, AND WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS WITH THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE 
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TO PULL IT AT THIS POINT. I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS WILL BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT LARGER SIDEWALK, AND IT'S ONE OF OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES FOR CHILDREN HEADING OVER TO FLETCHER MIDDLE AND FLETCHER HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT FROM SAILFISH DRIVE AND FROM ATLANTIC BEACH. I, I PREFER MY CHILDREN PASS THAT WAY VERSUS SHERRY OR SEMINOLE, AS THOSE ROADS ARE A LITTLE BIT BUSIER. 
          SO I CAN SEE, I SEE NO REASON TO PULL IT, HONESTLY. 
          BUT IF IT MAKES COMMISSIONER KELLY FEEL BETTER, COMMISSIONER GRANT, MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. WELL, I GOT SUCH CLARITY OUT OF THAT. 
          OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. BUT I, BUT I RESPECT EXACTLY WHAT I SAID EARLIER, WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY BROUGHT UP, BUT I, I SEE NO REASON NOT TO DO IT. AND OF COURSE, NOW WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED THIS USING OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY WITHOUT RECEIPT OF THE GRANT. 
          SO IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SAY THAT'S THE REASON TO PULL IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO SAVE THAT MONEY BECAUSE OF A POTENTIAL TIGHTENING OF OUR BELT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. 
          BUT OTHERWISE, NO, IT'S, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE MOTIONS. WE DON'T NEED TO BE THAT LETHARGIC IN MAKING A DECISION ON THIS COMMISSION. 
          BUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. I WAS HOPING YOU MIGHT CLARIFY THE MOTION OR REINSTATE IT. YEAH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS A MOTION TO DEFER IT, CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN. YEAH. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT MOTION. DID WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION ON THE ACTUAL, 2678? YEAH. 
          NO. NO. SO RIGHT NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MOTION TO DEFER IT. SO LET'S, DO YOU THINK, WILL THE GOVERNOR BE DONE BY 13 JULY? OR WOULD YOU, THAT GIVES KEVIN ENOUGH TIME? BUT WE GOT THE PARTY COMING UP. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO GO FOR 27 JULY? I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, IF IT INDEED IS TABLED, WOULD BE, AND AUGUST. 
          YEAH, WELL, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO I, I AGREE THAT IF WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY AND, AND BUILD IT. WE, WE GOT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, ALL THAT. 
          BUT I GUESS THE ONLY THING I REALLY NEED TO, TO, TO SUPPORT IT MORE, AND I'M ALL FOR THE SIDEWALK, IS TO UNDERSTAND IS IT, WHAT'S IT DOING TO, DOES IT IMPACT THAT PARKING OVER THERE GOOD OR BAD? JUST SO I HAVE THAT AS, AS CONTEXT. 
          THAT'S ALL I NEED TO VOTE ON IT. I DON'T REALLY, I'M NOT LOOKING, I DID SAY EARLIER THAT LET'S WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT MONEY, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOME TIME, I'D JUST SOON PULL THE TRIGGER. 
          WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR THAT MONEY. BUT MAYOR FORD, IF I, YES, PLEASE. 
          THAT'S FAIR. OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TONIGHT. 2 OF THEM ARE HERE, MATT KRUG AND AMANDA ASKEW. THROUGH THE CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF EITHER OF YOU 2 HAVE ANY PERSPECTIVE OR INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK WILL BRING SOME CLARITY OR OTHERWISE ANSWER THE COMMISSION MEMBERS' QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS. YEAH, THANKS. HI, GOOD EVENING. AMANDA ASKEW, NEIGHBORHOOD DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. WE HAVE AN EXISTING SIDEWALK THERE TODAY. IT IS AN EXISTING 4-FOOT-WIDE SIDEWALK. 
          MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PARKING PROBLEMS ARE NOT PARKING BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ACTUAL STREET. THEY ARE PARKING BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE HOME. 
          FOR THE MOST PART, THE DESIGN WOULD GO AN EQUAL DISTANCE. 
          BEYOND THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. 
          SO WE WOULD BE ADDING TO EACH SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. 
          WE WOULD PROBABLY BE TAKING 2 FEET FROM ONE SIDE AND 2 FEET FROM THE OTHER SIDE. SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY PARK THE AREA, REDUCE THE PARKING AREAS FOR VEHICLES. AND AMANDA, AM I CORRECT THAT THE SETBACK ON THOSE HOMES IS 30 FEET? 25, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE NORMAL 20. CORRECT. SO IT'S JUST IT'S VERY CLEAR. OKAY, THANK YOU. DOES THAT GIVE YOU A VISUAL? YEAH, YEAH. I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL MOTION AT THIS POINT. THE ORIGINAL, WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO DEFER IT. OKAY, AND WE HAVE THE DEFERRAL DATE AS RECOMMENDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT FROM, I DIDN'T HEAR A SECOND. OH, FROM YOU. OKAY. SO YOU'VE ALREADY SECONDED IT, SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. 
          SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE, MA'AM. WAS THAT DATE 
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AUGUST 10TH? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THEY KEPT. OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT? NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER RING? NAY. MAYOR FORD? NAY. OKAY, SO THAT MOTION FAILS. SO WE'RE BACK TO THE MOTION, OR BACK TO THE WHERE AM I AT NOW? 2678. 2678. SO RESOLUTION 2678 I'M GOING TO REREAD IT SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG. YES, IT'S AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE A TASK AUTHORIZATION TO CRAWFORD MURPHY AND TILLY INC. TO DESIGN THE SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SAILFISH DRIVE MULTI-USE PATH PROJECT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2678. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT, SO HEARING NONE LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE AGAIN, PLEASE. MADAM CLERK? COMMISSIONER GRANT. AYE. MR. KELLY? NAY. MR. RING? AYE. 
          MR. BOLE? AYE. MAYOR FORD? AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO, BUT GOOD, GREAT CONVERSATION ALL OF YOU 
          [8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 26-79]
ON THAT. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 7. WE'LL GO TO ACTUALLY TO 8. 8A, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-79, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AWARDING THE PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT BUILDING PROJECT TO ATLANTIC COAST CONSTRUCTION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          MR. HOGANCAMP, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS ALSO IS CARRYING OUT A PROJECT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD A FEW YEARS, AND OUR STAFF WOULD MAKE A REALLY GOOD CASE THAT THIS IS A CRITICAL PROJECT WITH A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THIS IS A NEW PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT BUILDING TO PROTECT OUR EQUIPMENT. THE COMPANY WHO PERFORMED THE REMODEL PROJECT FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS WHO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO BUSINESS WITH. THE PROJECT TOTAL IS $297,000, WHICH IS $3,000 BELOW THE BUDGET FOR THAT PROJECT. AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2679. MAKE A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE 2679. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION? WHAT'S THE RATE, WIND RATING FOR THE NEW BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. IF I MAY CALL MATT CRUZ. ABSOLUTELY, MATT, COME ON UP. OR WHO, IF HE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, I GUESS MATT'S GOT THE ANSWER. 
          I KNOW HE DOES. MATT KRUG, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND CURRENTLY 130 IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW. OKAY, THAT'S THIS WILL BE THE ONLY THING STANDING ON THE ISLAND WHEN THIS STORM IS, THAT'S FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IN THIS PROXIMITY TO THE OCEAN, I BELIEVE SO. 
          YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. 
          THEY'VE BEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY'VE BEEN ASKING US FOR A LONG TIME. YES. AND YEAH, I THINK KEVIN ALLUDED TO IT. 
          IF YOU GO OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE VEHICLES LOOK WHAT'S OUTSIDE, LOOK WHAT'S INSIDE. 
          IT MAY PAY FOR ITSELF. I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          SO IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE CITY AND THE CITY EQUIPMENT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT. OH, SORRY. I TOLD HIM WE HAD GOOD COUNSEL. 
          ALL RIGHT, BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE'VE GOT ONE GOOD WORKING BRAIN GOING ON HERE. 
          OKAY, NEED A VOTE THOUGH. I KNOW, I CAN, I CAN ACTUALLY GET BACK ON TRACK HERE. 
          FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION THOUGH, 
          [8.B. RESOLUTION NO. 26-80]
HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOVING TO 8B, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-80, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE 2026 ANNUAL MILLING AND PAVING PROJECT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CITY STAFF, PROBABLY WITH MORE EXPERTISE AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL THAN, THAN EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN TERMS OF OUR MILLING AND PAVING PROJECT HAS IDENTIFIED THE STREETS FOR THIS YEAR'S STREET PAVING PROGRAM. THERE ARE, I THINK, ARE 12 STREETS. THEY USE PHYSICAL INSPECTIONS, REPEAT COMPLAINTS AND GRADES FROM A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO COME TO THEIR CONCLUSION AS FAR AS WHICH STREETS WILL BE PAVED. THIS INCLUDES, OF COURSE, 
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ISN'T LIMITED TO RESURFACING DUTTON ISLAND ROAD FINALLY FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE PRESERVE TO THE ROUNDABOUT WITHIN THE PRESERVE. THIS PROJECT HAS $471,078 IN THE BUDGET FOR OUR ANNUAL MILLING AND PAVING PROJECT, IN ADDITION TO $250,000 FOR THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAZA AND DUTTON ISLAND ROAD RESURFACING. THE PROJECT HAS COME IN UNDER BUDGET, AND I'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY THE STREETS TO BE PAVED, AND THEY'RE ON PAGE 106 AND 107 OF YOUR BOOKLET. IN ADDITION TO PLAZA AND DUTTON ISLAND, THERE'S 2ND STREET BETWEEN SHERRY AND EAST COAST, SEA OATS BETWEEN 19TH AND THE CUL-DE-SAC, PARADISE COURT FROM MAIN TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, SARGO FROM PLAZA TO GLADIOLA. I MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT. MAYBE THAT'S CAMELLIA. I'M SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE BITTY WRITING. 
          SARGO FROM PLAZA TO CAMELLIA. 
          FROM SHERRY TO EAST COAST, FORESTALL, SARATOGA, KESTNER, AND MEALY STREET. MEALY IS BETWEEN STEWART AND DUTTON ISLAND ROAD. IN SOME CASES, IT INCLUDES SPEED BUMPS, AND THAT'S AT DUTTON ISLAND. 
          AND ALSO ON PLAZA, THERE'S APRONS AT SEA OATS. AND THERE, THERE, THERE ARE APRONS AT SEAOSCAPE, SARGO, AND ROYAL PALMS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS ANNUAL CONTRACT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE SPREAD SORT OF RATHER UNIFORMLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THAT'S QUITE DELIBERATE. 
          YES, MA'AM. MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2680. SECOND. COMMISSIONER RING HAD THE SECOND ON THAT. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION. I'VE JUST GOT A I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          I WORRY SOMETIMES THAT WE STILL DON'T QUITE HAVE OUR ARMS AROUND THE QUALITY CONTROL ASPECT OF OUR ROAD PAVING. AND SO THIS ONE IS A GREAT ONE, THE DUTTON ISLAND ROAD, BECAUSE THE SUB-BASE ON THAT ROAD IS SO RIDICULOUSLY POOR IN AREAS. 
          AND I, THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE ROAD PROJECT, BUT IT ISN'T EXPENSIVE ENOUGH TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN A REALLY GOOD ROAD BASE. 
          WHAT IF, WHAT DO WE NEED MATT TO COME UP? MATTER, WE BETTER, WE BETTER GET MATT. MATT, COME ON UP. SO MATT, YOU KNOW THAT ROAD INSIDE AND OUT WAY TOO MUCH. SO ARE WE JUST GETTING NEW ASPHALT? THEY ARE MILLING THICKER THAN NORMAL. THEY'RE GOING DEEPER INTO THE SUB-BASE, RIGHT, ADDING MORE ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH THICKER SUB-BASE. 
          SO THEY ARE ADDING TO THE SUB-BASE LIME ROCK, RIGHT? BUT IT'S PROBABLY STILL GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC OVER THE YEARS. IT'S AFFECTED BY THE TIDES. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SWAMP. 
          YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN'T USE THAT TERM. 
          IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTRACOASTAL. IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN IN NEW ENGLAND, YOU WILL APPRECIATE THIS ROAD THE WAY IT IS NOW. WELL, IT CAN DEFINITELY BE BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS. 
          SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. SO LET'S GET AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE THAT'S UNIQUE IN AND OF ITSELF. WE, FROM TIME TO TIME ON OUR ROAD PROJECTS, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE GOING ALONG AND NOT ONLY NOT FIND ANY SUBBASE, BUT IT'S PURE SAND. 
          WHAT DO YOU HAVE? DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON OUR CITY STAFF OR SOMEBODY THAT ONLY WORKS FOR US ON THE QUALITY CONTROL THAT WOULD IDENTIFY AND CATCH THAT AND STOP THEM FROM PUTTING ASPHALT ON TOP OF SAND? YES, MYSELF AS WELL AS OUR INSPECTOR ANGELA AND OUR STREETS AND STORMWATER SUPERVISOR, BRENT. WE WOULD ALL BE QUALITY CONTROLLING. OKAY, GOOD. THAT'S, THANK YOU. THAT IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, AND I SO APPRECIATE THAT, MATT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MATT? OKAY, THANKS. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL. 
          MAYOR? YES? FOR COMMISSIONER GRANT, I'D LIKE TO CALL A 5-MINUTE RECESS SO THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA THAT THERE'S ABOUT 2 OF THESE THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN 5 MINUTES. 
          I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A 5-MINUTE RECESS. DO LOOK FOR ME WAVING AT YOU, COMMISSIONERS. NO WANDERING AWAY. OH, MY. OH, MY. YEAH, THAT WAS SO NICE OF YOU FOR COMMISSIONER GRANT. OKAY. 
          WHERE ARE WE AT HERE? 
          [8.C. RESOLUTION NO. 26-81]
EVERYBODY WET AND READY? OKAY, WE'RE 8C. OKAY NEXT ITEM IS 8C, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-81, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF 
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ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND KEVIN HOGENCAMP AS CITY MANAGER, CONFIRMING THE COMMISSION'S PRIOR APPOINTMENT OF KEVIN HOGENCAMP AS CITY MANAGER, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          IT SAYS CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP TO REPORT. I'M GOING TO ADJUST THAT, AND I DO WANT YOU TO REPORT, BUT FIRST I'M GOING TO REPORT. SO WE LEFT THE LAST MEETING 2 WEEKS AGO, AND I'VE SPENT ON AND OFF THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS DISCUSSING THIS AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE, BUT SPECIFICALLY OUR CANDIDATE, INTERIM CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE MADE A, HE MADE A VERY STRONG AND COMPELLING ARGUMENT OF WHY HE SHOULD BE PAID WHAT HE ASKED TO BE PAID, AND I MADE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY HE SHOULDN'T BE PAID THAT LEVEL. AND SO WE ENDED UP WITH AN AGREEMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S THE AGREEMENT I WANT, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS. WE PUT THE AGREEMENT IN THE AGENDA FOR THIS BODY, SO YOU, EACH OF YOU COMMISSIONERS WILL OWN THIS DECISION. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MAYOR. I DID NOT MAKE A UNILATERAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU MUST APPROVE, SO YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR OWN CONSCIENCE. 
          BUT I WILL SAY THIS. 
          IN NEGOTIATING, AND ESPECIALLY USING AN EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU HAVE ARBITRATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE 2 PARTIES ARE IN DISAGREEMENT, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ARBITRATION IS WHEN BOTH PARTIES THINK THEY DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANTED. AND SO MR. HOGANCAMP BELIEVES THAT HE SHOULD GET SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I BELIEVE. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU MAKE THE FIRST ARGUMENT OR THE FIRST COMPELLING STATEMENT, AND THEN WE'LL SEE ABOUT DISCUSSION AND A MOTION. 
          ARE WE DOING A PREAMBLE TO THE MOTION? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? YES. WELL, I'M ASKING HIM, YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE ARE DOING A PREAMBLE TO THE MOTION. I LIKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. YES, GO AHEAD, MR. HOGANCAMP. THANK YOU. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY AND BE PREPARED TO MAKE THE CASE AND GO, GO ALL IN IF WE GET TO THAT POINT. I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT, THE TERMS THAT MAYOR FORD AND I LANDED ON AFTER SOME NEGOTIATION. I'M REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN APPOINTING ME CITY MANAGER. 
          IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER TWICE NOW AND WOULD BE AND IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE PINNACLE OF MY CAREER TO STEP INTO THIS ROLE PERMANENTLY. 
          IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE TERMS THAT ARE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, I WOULD ACCEPT THE OPPORTUNITY CONFIDENTLY, COLLABORATIVELY, AND WITH KEEN APPRECIATION OF WHO I WORK FOR. THAT'S WHO'S ON TOP OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART HERE. THAT'S THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH. THAT'S HOW I'VE APPROACHED MY JOB FROM DAY ONE. TO THE COMMISSION, AS I'VE SAID PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY, WORKING WITH EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY SINCE JANUARY HAS JUST BEEN AMAZING. WE'RE DOING GREAT WORK TOGETHER. AND THAT'S THE, I THINK, THE KEY TO MY ARGUMENT. AND AGAIN, I'LL JUMP INTO THE WEEDS IF YOU LIKE, BUT WE WORK TOGETHER. YOU'VE GIVEN ME 5 OR 6 MONTHS, SEE, REALLY AS KIND OF WHERE COMMISSIONER GRANT WAS GOING, IT'S KIND OF MINE TO LOSE, I THINK, AND I DIDN'T LOSE IT. I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THAT. 
          IF, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MY MANTRA WILL BE COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION, ALREADY HAS BEEN, BUT IN TERMS OF FILLING OUT OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART WHICH WILL BE COMMUNICATIONS-HEAVY, WHETHER IT'S A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OR SOME, OR SOMEONE ELSE, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET. 
          THIS, THIS COMMUNITY HASN'T IN TERMS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATING WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD GREATLY ON WHAT WE'VE DONE. AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE CASE MAYOR FORD AND COMMISSION, IF YOU WANT, AS TO WHY, I ARGUED AND CONTINUE TO ARGUE FOR COMPENSATION AT THE RATE OF WHICH THAT WE NEGOTIATED, OR, OR THE HIGHER RATE THAT I STARTED WITH. I CAN, I THINK I CAN MAKE A COMPELLING CASE. IF YOU'D LIKE, I'LL, I'LL, I THINK YOU CAN GO AHEAD. I THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT. OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. YEAH. BEFORE DOING THE PREAMBLE I THINK WE, WE LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A GOVERNING BODY AND MAKE RESOLUTIONS, ETC., ETC. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY, RIGHT, AS A BUSINESS. 
          YES. THE RESEARCH I DID WAS TAKE A LOOK AT I KNOW YOU GUYS HATE TO HEAR THIS, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT SIMILAR CITIES. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. TAKE A LOOK AT FERNANDINA BEACH. TAKE A LOOK 
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AT ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, TAKE A LOOK AT ORANGE PARK, TAKE A LOOK AT AND GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE PUBLIC RECORD THE COMPENSATION. ONE THING BEFORE I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO KEVIN'S BAILIWICK HERE, BUT ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES IS THE LEAVE SELLBACK, RIGHT? THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOU GUYS HEARD THIS BEFORE, KEVIN SAVED US SOME MONEY, AND I THINK HE HAS A PLAN. AND MAYBE YOU COULD TOUCH ON THIS, KEVIN, WHERE WE DON'T PAY THAT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND DOLE OUT SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT YOU HAD. 
          AND I'LL LET YOU DISCUSS THAT. 
          BUT I THINK YOU, IF YOU RUN IT AS A BUSINESS, YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND HIS SALARY WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, IS COMPARABLE TO A SIZE CITY THAT, THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE UNIQUE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. I THINK SOMEBODY IN HERE MENTIONED A HEADHUNTER COULD COME HERE. I, I PERSONALLY MADE THE CASE. 
          YOU HEARD IT. WHEN ORANGE PARK'S LOOKING FOR A CITY MANAGER, I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER GUY THAT'S, THAT'S LOCAL HERE. SO I SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION AS STATED. I UNDERSTAND AS A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE THAT 240 HOURS YOU SELL BACK, RIGHT, OR YOU LOSE IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. 
          WE, WE FACED THIS DECISION IN COVID. I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE REMEMBERED THAT, WHERE WE HAD SIGNIFICANT LEAVE BALANCES, ETC., ETC. SO I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE TIME WHERE KEVIN WAS FUNCTIONING AS A CITY MANAGER COVERING HIS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER'S DUTIES AND ACCRUING PTO. SO LONG-WINDED, BUT I SUPPORT IT. OKAY, SO MR. HOGANCAMP, CAN'T, GOT IT. I'M GETTING DOWN TO SOME NUMBERS. THIS COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ABOUT 17% GREATER THAN THE NEXT HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE IN THE ORGANIZATION. THAT'S THE POLICE CHIEF. IT'S ABOUT 17% SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER. 
          WHILE ACCEPTING A PACKAGE AT A SMALLER RATE THAN MY PREDECESSOR WASN'T EXPECTED, I DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FACED AS AN ORGANIZATION AND COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD, INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY THE AFOREMENTIONED PROPERTY TAX CHALLENGE THAT MAY BE BEFORE US. I THINK THE AGREEMENT IS PROACTIVE TO ADDRESS THAT. IT ALIGNS WITH OUR MUTUAL GOAL OF PUTTING OUR COMMUNITY FIRST. 
          OUR, MY GOAL, YOUR GOAL, THE COMMUNITY'S GOAL, PUTTING THE COMMUNITY FIRST. 
          IT SUCCESSFULLY INSULATES THE CITY FROM SOME POTENTIAL GENERAL FUND REVENUE LOSSES THAT WE MAY EXPERIENCE DOWN THE ROAD. IN TERMS OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT I'LL BUILD, ADDRESSING COMMISSIONER KELLY AND OTHERS WHO'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE DEPUTY POSITION, I'M PREPARING TO, FIRST OF ALL, BY CHARTER, THIS IS MY DECISION AS FAR AS WHAT THE ORGANIZATION LOOKS LIKE UNDER ME. HOWEVER, IF I APPOINT A DEPUTY, THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO RATIFY IT. WHEN I WILL COME TO YOU ASKING TO APPROVE A DEPUTY, I'M NOT SURE YET, ALTHOUGH I HAVE A GOOD GRASP OTHERWISE OF WHAT THE ORGANIZATION WORK LOOKS LIKE GIVEN THE HISTORICAL VOLATILITY OF THE POSITION. 
          THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT OF WHAT WHOEVER'S IN THIS CHAIR OR VYING TO BE IN THE CHAIR WOULD CONSIDER. 
          AS YOU ALL KNOW BY NOW, AND MAYBE THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T, BUT THE LAST 4 CITY MANAGERS, THE LONGEST-TENURED ONE WAS 28 MONTHS. AND TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT SOMEONE FROM OUT OF TOWN ESPECIALLY TO COME WORK IN, IN WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A VOLATILE POSITION, EVEN THOUGH THE ORGANIZATION FRANKLY HAS BEEN STABLE AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 9 AND A HALF YEARS. AND FRANKLY, I THINK I'VE, I'VE BEEN A KEY PART OF THAT, WORKING WITH THE VARIOUS CITY MANAGERS, NONE OF WHOM WERE FIRED, BY THE WAY. NONE OF THEM THAT I WORKED WITH WERE FIRED. AND THE GREAT CITY COMMISSION ELECTED LEADERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD, I'VE DEVELOPED A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERY SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT'S BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE 2017. MY WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THESE TERMS UNDERSCORES MY DEEP COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY, TO THIS ORGANIZATION, TO OUR LONG-TERM STABILITY WITHOUT DIMINISHING THE MARKET VALUE OF PROVEN STABLE LEADERSHIP. 
          YOU'RE NOT GAMBLING ON ME. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET. I CAN SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY. AND TO THAT END, MY ESTABLISHED RESIDENCY IN THIS COMMUNITY, I THINK, IS A STRONG, STRONG ASSET RATHER THAN A LIABILITY. AND I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T WEIGH AGAINST ME IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS PACKAGE MIGHT BE. I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING TOGETHER, MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER AS A CITY, AS A COMMUNITY, AND, AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER RING, I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE I GO INTO THAT, SHOULDN'T, POINT 
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OF ORDER, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE A MOTION NORMALLY? YEAH, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH, THIS IS A CRITICAL DECISION TONIGHT, AND YOU CAN VERY QUICKLY END UP IN A VOTE WITHOUT HAVING FULL UNDERSTANDING. AND I, I RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PAST 2 WEEKS OTHER THAN YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE, SO, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION SHORTLY, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO BRACKET THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, I AM NOT PROMOTING THIS CONTRACT THAT IS, OR THIS AGREEMENT THAT'S IN THE AGENDA, BUT I'M STANDING BY WHILE YOU ASK THE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS AND MR. HOGANCAMP GIVES APPROPRIATE RESPONSES. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH CITY MANAGER IS AT $224,000. THAT'S ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER BUDGET AND POPULATION. AND THEN YOU HAVE CITY MANAGER PIKE IN NEPTUNE BEACH AT $164,000 WITH A MUCH SMALLER POPULATION. 
          SO THAT'S HERE. AND I HEAR COMMISSIONER BOLL ABOUT COMPARING ORANGE PARK AND SO ON. THAT'S NOT A COASTAL CITY. SO YEAH, IT MATTERS. 
          THANKS FOR DOING YOUR DILIGENCE. 
          BUT I'M REALLY MORE INTERESTED IN PROXIMITY AND, AND, BUT LOOK, FERNANDINA BEACH, A COASTAL, NO, NO, I TOTALLY GET YOU. WHAT'S THE SALARY IN FERNANDINA BEACH? OH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, IT'S ABOUT $235,000, BUT THEY HAVE A $50,000 BONUS, KIND OF AN INCENTIVE BONUS. SO IT'LL BE WELL ABOVE KEVIN'S COMPENSATION. 
          BUT SO THEY HAVE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A VARIABLE PORTION OF COMPENSATION. SO WHAT'S THEIR BASE SALARY? RIGHT. 
          THEIR BASE SALARY IS $235,000. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MOTION BEFORE DISCUSSION, I HAVE TONS OF QUESTIONS. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH HR REP. BLANCO. 
          THAT'S OKAY. POINT OF ORDER. 
          YEAH, MAYBE. I THINK COMMISSIONER RING IS RIGHT. I THINK THAT WE NEED A MOTION AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO MAKE IT LEGAL BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MINDS WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION AND WE SEE A SECOND. COUNCILOR? SO I THINK THAT'S, LEGALLY THE WAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THAT'S OUR NORMAL. OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2681. 
          SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. WE CAN HAVE THIS. IT IS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT TO MAKE KEVIN BEG FOR HIS CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE CITY. WE DID NOT DO THIS WITH ANY OF HIS 4 PREDECESSORS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IN THIS FORUM. OKAY, SO I BEG YOUR PARDON, THIS IS CALLED FLORIDA SUNSHINE. THERE IS NO WAY, NOT FOR SALARY CONTRACTS. WELL, THEN, THEN YOU COULD HAVE APPROVED EARLIER FOR THE MAYOR TO NEGOTIATE AND THAT WOULD BE FINAL. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT EITHER. SO THIS IS OPEN FORUM AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. MAYOR, MAY I ASK MY QUESTIONS TO HR DIRECTOR BLANCO? EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, KEVIN. 
          ROBERT BLANCO, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HR SAFETY RISK MANAGEMENT. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. YEAH, IT'S ON. YEP. 
          I'M THINKING YOU WOULD HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THESE, BUT I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN MUDDLING THROUGH. I SUPPOSE WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE. HOW MUCH DID OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MAKE, WHEN HE WAS SERVING BEFORE HE STEPPED IN AS INTERIM? AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, HE'S JUST UNDER $170,000, $169,000. IF I MAY CORRECT, DO YOU MIND IF I, IT'S $159,000 PLUS IS WHAT I WAS MAKING. OH, $159,000. AND MR. BLANCO IS NOT WRONG IN THAT ALSO. STILL GOT 10% TOWARD RETIREMENT ON TOP OF THAT. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU STEPPED IN, WHEN HE STEPPED IN AS INTERIM, HOW MUCH WAS HE MAKING THEN? IS THAT INTERIM NOW? $183,000. $183,000 CHANGE, I THINK. $183,328. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE PAID MR. GARRITY WHEN HE WAS OUR CITY MANAGER? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY, BECAUSE I WOULD WANT THAT AS WELL AS MR. KILLINGSWORTH WHEN HE STARTED AND WHEN HE LEFT. BILL STARTED AT, I THINK IT WAS $208,000 AND CHANGE. $208,000. 
          I MADE $218,500, I THINK. I THINK IT WAS WHEN HE STARTED, $218,000, AND THEN WHEN HE ENDED, $245,000. $245,000. 
          WHEN WE ADVERTISED IT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO ADVERTISE IT THIS GO-ROUND, BUT WHEN WE ADVERTISED IT IN '23, WHAT WAS THE PITCH THAT WE, I KNOW THERE WAS A IF IT WAS A RANGE. I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          UNFORTUNATE. OKAY, WHAT ABOUT CITY MANAGER CORBIN? LET ME HELP CLARIFY. I'LL TAKE YOU 
          [02:10:01]
BACK BECAUSE YOU AND I WERE HERE FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER GRANT WASN'T. $30,000 OF WHAT WE ULTIMATELY PAID WAS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS A HOUSING ALLOWANCE AND THEREIN LIES THE CHALLENGE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY BACK THEN I WAS THINKING WE WOULD DO AN ALLOWANCE AND THAT IT WOULDN'T BE INTO PERPETUITY, IT WOULD BE FOR A DATE PERIOD, A DATE CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. AND INSTEAD WE ENDED UP EMBEDDING IT IN THE, INTO THE SALARY. SO THAT'S HOW WE STARTED SO HIGH, AND THEN NORMAL RAISES RAISED IT UP TO THE ULTIMATE AMOUNT. SO THAT WAS MY BIG ISSUE IN MY DISCUSSION THE PAST WEEK OR SO WITH MR. HOGANCAMP IS WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY HIM A HOUSING ALLOWANCE BECAUSE HE ALREADY LIVES HERE. AND, AND TO HIS CREDIT, HE LIVES HERE AND HE BOUGHT A HOME BEFORE HOME VALUES WENT THROUGH THE ROOF. AND SO THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. AND, AND SO NOW YOU GET INTO AN ISSUE, AT LEAST FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE, AND I AM SPEAKING FOR YOU, THAT IT IS, IT'S A, A FAIRNESS ISSUE BECAUSE THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED BECAUSE HE ALREADY OWNS A HOUSE. THE, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WE EMBEDDED A LOT OF MONEY INTO OUR PRIOR CONTRACT BECAUSE THE CANDIDATE WAS COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN AND DID NOT RESIDE HERE. SO THOSE HOUSING, THAT HOUSING ALLOWANCE DID NOT INCLUDE CORBIN'S OVERALL, OR, NO, NO PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER HAD A HOUSING ALLOWANCE SAVE INTERIM CITY MANAGER GARRETT, WHO HAD A HOUSING ALLOWANCE BECAUSE THAT WAS A CERTAIN SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT HE WOULD BE IN THAT INTERIM POSITION. THAT INCLUDED IN THEIR SALARY? IT WAS IN ADDITION TO, IT WAS IN ADDITION TO ON, ON JOE GARRITY. OKAY. KILLINGSWORTH HAD THE SAME $30,000 HOUSING ALLOWANCE AS WELL, CORRECT? NO, NO, WE DIDN'T GIVE A $30,000 HOUSING ALLOWANCE TO GARRITY. NOT GARRITY, KILLINGSWORTH. I UNDERSTAND KILLINGSWORTH HAD $30,000 WAS EMBEDDED IN HIS CONTRACT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT NUMBER STARTED FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEEDED TO COMPENSATE HIM TO MOVE TO THE CITY IF WE WERE IN THIS EXTREME COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND, MAYOR, IT WAS $218,000 FOR KILLINGSWORTH PLUS THE HOUSING, NO, $218,000. IF YOU HAD MINUSED THE HOUSING ALLOWANCE OUT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, OKAY, $187,000 PLUS $30,000. GOOD START. OKAY, THEN HOW, HOW IS IT THAT, MR. HOGANCAMP JUST SAID THAT WAS 17% LESS THAN THE LAST CITY MANAGER? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH. YES, GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS PACKAGE. OKAY. 
          WHAT I'VE CALCULATED, THAT INCLUDES THE HEALTH INSURANCE, BRINGING ME ON BOARD WITH WHAT THE MAYOR AND I NEGOTIATED UH, WOULD SAVE THE CITY, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD RESULT IN TAXPAYERS SPENDING $30,000 A YEAR LESS IN HEALTH INSURANCE BY HAVING ME VERSUS MR., MR. KILLINGSWORTH. OKAY, SO IT WASN'T THE SALARY THAT, NO, IT'S $15,000 IS THE DIFFERENCE. 
          CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? YEAH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. I APPRECIATE THE REAL MONEY IT'S GOING TO SAVE IN INSURANCE, BUT YOU COULD GET MARRIED TOMORROW AND THEN WE'RE OBLIGATED TO JUST COUGH UP MORE $30,000. 
          INSURANCE IS INSURANCE, RIGHT? I HAVE INSURANCE COVERED BY MY WIFE AND HER RETIREMENT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO AN EMPLOYER AND NEGOTIATE A TERM, I DON'T NEED YOUR INSURANCE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME A $20,000, $30,000 BOOST IN MY PAY BECAUSE OF THAT. IT'S BUILT INTO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY. AND SO I THINK IT'S A MISREPRESENTATION OF THINGS. I GET IT, REAL TERMS, IT'S GOING TO COST US $30,000 FROM KILLINGSWORTH, BUT THINGS CHANGE AND EVERYBODY FORGETS THESE CONVERSATIONS LATER. SO I DON'T LIKE COUNTING YOUR INSURANCE. I MEAN, YOU GET INSURANCE. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, NOT WHAT IT COSTS. 
          RESPECTFULLY, IF I MAY. YES, PLEASE. ACTUALLY, MR. KILLINGSWORTH SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATED THAT. TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT WHAT EMPLOYEES DON'T GET INSURANCE FULLY FUNDED FOR THEIR FAMILY. 
          BUT THEY GET SOMETHING, RIGHT? THEY DO. BUT KILLINGSWORTH NEGOTIATED AND GOT A VERY GOOD DEAL ON INSURANCE. BUT DID WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WAS COMPETITIVE WITH HIS FORMER EMPLOYER? IT WAS PARTLY THAT AND PARTLY THE LACK OF CANDIDATES APPLYING FOR THE POSITION OF A CALIBER THAT WE WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER. BUT, MR. GRANT, JUST FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, WE NEED TO KNOW THE WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          NO, I GET IT, BUT INSURANCE IS INSURANCE. 
          AND GO AHEAD, LET'S KEEP MOVING. I'M, ARE YOU DONE? WELL, JUST KEEP 
          [02:15:01]
GOING. I JUST, ONE, ONE LAST ONE. MR. HOGENCAMP, YOU DID SAY THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DEFEND THIS NUMBER, SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC DOWN TO THE 70 CENTS. COULD YOU TELL ME WHY YOU LANDED HERE AND NOT WITH KILLINGSWORTH'S STARTING SALARY AT $218,000? SURE. I, I WAS WORKING WITH THE AMOUNT THAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH WAS MAKING WHEN HE LEFT, AND THAT'S WHERE I STARTED, RIGHT, WAS NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH WAS MAKING. 
          AND, AND SO THE SALARY, WHICH IS DOWN TO THE PENNY, IS PRECISELY $15,000 LESS THAN WHAT MR. KILLINGSWORTH WAS MAKING WHEN HE LEFT. AND I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          WITHOUT GETTING INTO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN THAT OR NOT, EACH PERSON CAN DO THE MATH AND DO THE PERCENTAGES FROM HIS PREVIOUS SALARY PRIOR TO THE INTERIM SALARY BOOST, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE IF HE GOES TO $200,000, $210,000, AND SO ON? BUT NOTWITHSTANDING, I'VE STARTED THE DISCUSSION WITH MR. HOGENCAMP VERY SIMPLY THAT I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHOULD PAY HIM $30,000 OF THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THAT WAS A, IT WASN'T A BOGUS NUMBER, IT WAS A REAL NUMBER, BUT IT WAS A NUMBER EMBEDDED IN THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT TO INDUCE THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE TO THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE HIGH COST OF LIVING IN ATLANTIC BEACH, WHICH WAS NOT APPLICABLE TO MR. HOGANCAMP. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I STARTED. 
          AND IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS INTO THE AGENDA TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND WE REDUCED IT BY $15,000, NOT $30,000. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT, BUT I AM NOT ADVOCATING AGAINST THAT. I WANT THIS COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER IT SHOULD SAME, BETTER, OR WORSE? YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU WERE UP NEXT. LET ME GO. YES. OKAY. SO I JUST HAVE SOME DATA. AND LOOK, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS IS NOT, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. OKAY. 
          BUT THIS IS THE FORUM. THERE'S NO SUNSHINE. I WOULD RATHER, MUCH RATHER A TEAM OF PEOPLE NEGOTIATE THIS WITH KEVIN OR, OR HOW, WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. AND I EVEN CALLED KEVIN FRIDAY AND JUST SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT OKAY WITH THIS NUMBER BEING PRESENTED. I JUST HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR YOU TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK OUT ON IT AND SHARE SOME DATA AND LOOK TO MOVE THAT NUMBER DOWN. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND A FEW THINGS. SO HE STARTED 259, I'M SORRY, 159 BEFORE THE INTERIM POSITION. 
          HE GOT A NICE BUMP TO BECOME INTERIM MANAGER, AND NOW WE'RE AT $230,000. SO FROM WHEN YOU GO $159,000 TO $230,000, THAT KIND OF INCREASE IN SMALL TOWN GOVERNMENT, I DON'T CARE WHAT POSITION YOU HOLD, THAT'S IN TERMS OF A BUDGET, THAT'S UNTENABLE IN MY OPINION. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY A WAS IT $71,000 INCREASE? THAT JUST SEEMS A BIT OFF TO ME. A COUPLE OTHER POINTS LIKE MY FRIEND COMMISSIONER BOLE, I'M SURPRISED HE DIDN'T QUOTE ANY AI. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AI SMALL-TOWN FLORIDA CITY MANAGERS ARE MAKING BETWEEN $130,000 AND $160,000. THEY DO MENTION SMALL-TOWN COASTAL COMMUNITIES DO PAY HIGHER. 
          PROBABLY AROUND CLOSER TO $2 THAN $2.30. SO THERE'S THAT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE, AND I GET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KILLINGSWORTH'S SALARY. 
          THAT WAS AN ABOMINABLE SALARY THAT WE HAD TO IMPLEMENT TO GET HIM HERE AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF VARIOUS FACTORS WE DON'T NEED TO GET ON. 
          BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHERE IT WAS TODAY MADE HIM THE 2ND OR 3RD HIGHEST GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE IN DUVAL COUNTY, LIKE JUST UNDER THE MAYOR OF JACKSONVILLE AND MAYBE JUST LESS THAN, THAN THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WHO'S OUR CHIEF OF STAFF OR WHATEVER THEY CALL HIM. THAT'S, THAT'S LUDICROUS. 
          I JUST, I MEAN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THAT HIGH? TO BE OUR CITY MANAGER. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DEFEND THAT. I DO THINK THAT KEVIN DID TALK ABOUT HIM BEING HERE AND THAT'S GOOD. 
          IN CORPORATE AMERICA, YOU BEING WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OR BE THAT'S A DING, NOT A YOU GET PAID LESS IF WE DON'T ATTRACT YOU TO MOVE TO OUR CITY. THAT'S HOW CORPORATE AMERICA TREATS THOSE SITUATIONS. AND SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE. I'M GLAD YOU'RE GOING 
          [02:20:01]
TO BE OUR CITY MANAGER, AND I'M SURE WE'LL WORK WHATEVER THIS TURNS OUT TO BE. IT'LL BE. BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING A LEAP OF FAITH WITH YOU TOO, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN CITY MANAGER EXCEPT FOR THE INTERIM STATUS. YOU TAKING ON THIS ROLE, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT SOME PREVIOUS FOLKS WHO'VE HELD THE POSITION, THEY COME FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT AT LEAST DOUBLE WHAT YOU HAVE IN CITY GOVERNMENT. THEY ALL, SOME OF THEM WERE CITY MANAGERS, SOME OF THEM LIKE KILLINGSWORTH, WE THOUGHT HIS JOB HAD PREPARED HIM TO BE A CITY MANAGER. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WARRANTED THOSE TYPES OF NUMBERS TO ATTRACT THEM TO THE POSITION. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE'S SALARY STARTING HAS BEEN EXCEPT FOR KILLINGSWORTH, HAS BEEN UNDER $200,000 TO START. AND I THINK, I MEAN LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING HERE. I MEAN, WE WENT, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DYNAMICS OF HOW IT HAPPENED, BUT KILLINGSWORTH'S SALARY WENT FROM $218,500 TO $245,000, AND HE WASN'T EVEN HERE 2 YEARS, RIGHT? YEAH, 2 COST OF LIVING INCREASES. OKAY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M POINTING OUT THAT IT WON'T TAKE YOU VERY LONG KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK, PULLING GRANT MONEY LIKE WE KNOW YOU CAN AND ARE GETTING FOLKS THAT CAN, YOU'LL BE UP AT THESE LEVELS IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BASED ON THE COST OF LIVING CALCULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT'S I FORGOT WHO SAID IT. ONE OF OUR CITIZENS CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT PERFORMANCE-DRIVEN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO START AT A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER AND THEN LET PERFORMANCE AND THE COST OF LIVING, THOSE THINGS IT'LL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF AND YOU'LL BE RIGHT AT WHERE YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A BETTER MODEL TO FOLLOW THAN GIVING YOU $70,000, WHICH IS IT'S ALMOST, IT'S LIKE A 40-SOMETHING PERCENT INCREASE. THAT'S REALLY HIGH. AND A LOT OF MONEY BASED ON, AGAIN, COMPARING BACK TO WHERE KILLINGSWORTH SITS TODAY OR DID WHEN HE LEFT AS BEING SUCH A THE 2ND OR 3RD HIGHEST PAID GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL IN ALL DUVAL COUNTY. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO BE OR SHOULD HAVE TO BE. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I DON'T THINK, COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS SOME, HASN'T HAD, COMMISSIONER BOLE. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER GRANT'S SAYING, BUT LET ME GO TO MY OTHER JOB AS A FEDERAL CONTRACTOR. WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD DO HERE IS WE BID OFF A SALARY SURVEY. BOB, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU BID AT PERCENTILE RATES. 
          SO SAY THAT THE AVERAGE CITY MANAGER IN OUR AREA WITH THIS ZIP CODE. RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S HARD. AND I WENT THROUGH THIS DRILL TODAY. IT'S HARD BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE POSITION. I'M NOT GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER HERE, BUT WHAT YOU DO IS YOU BID WHAT YOU WANT. SO IF I'M BIDDING SOMEBODY AT THE 70TH PERCENTILE, THE 80TH PERCENTILE, THE 90TH PERCENTILE, THAT TELLS ME, HEY, WE REALLY WANT THIS GUY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT. AND IF YOU GO IN AND YOU'RE ANOTHER BUSINESS AND YOU WANT A CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE TO PAY, AND WE DO THIS EVERY DAY, WE HAVE TO PAY WHAT THE SALARY SURVEY SAYS AND WHAT WE WANT IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION. SO, IT'S A UNIQUE POSITION. YOU CAN'T, YOU REALLY COULDN'T AI THIS. I TRIED. OKAY. 
          BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT SALARY SURVEYS, YOU CAN LOOK AT COASTAL CITIES, YOU CAN LOOK AT, AND ARE WE PAYING ABOVE THE 50TH PERCENTILE? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. AND I THINK WE'RE PAYING ABOVE THE 50TH PERCENTILE. 
          BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE. MY OPINION. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          MY, ONE OF MY FORMER COMPANIES PAID PEOPLE ON THIS PERCENTAGE OF THAT POSITION WHEREVER ELSE, RIGHT? A SURVEY WHATEVER SOFTWARE, HR SOFTWARE WE WERE USING TO COMPILE THAT DATA, RIGHT? I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THIS $230,000 PROBABLY REPRESENTS 120% EASY OF THIS OF THIS POSITION, NOT THE 70, 80, 90 FOR A FIRST, OR A PERSON ENTERING THE POSITION. NOBODY ENTERS AT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COMPANY I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHEN YOU REACHED, I THINK, 110% VALUE OF YOUR SALARY IN THAT POSITION, YOU WERE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR COLA INCREASES. I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY MONITORED THAT WAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE BEING HONEST WITH EACH OTHER, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS SALARY CLOSELY APPROACHES THE MAYOR'S SALARY, HER CHIEF OF STAFF A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, I THINK THAT INDICATES WE'RE 
          [02:25:01]
ON A VERY HIGH, HIGH SIDE OF THAT PERCENTAGE, AT LEAST 100 AND CHANGE. SO THAT'S THAT. 
          AND I JUST FURTHER, I THINK, SUPPORTS WHY I THINK WE SHOULD START AT A LESSER NUMBER AND LET HIM GROW INTO THE POSITION. HE'S ONLY BEEN THERE 4 MONTHS, AND I KNOW HE'LL DO A GREAT JOB AND HE'LL GET THIS MONEY THAT HE WANTS. 
          IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE HIM A COUPLE YEARS TO GET IT, THAT'S ALL. SO LET ME HELP YOU OUT. WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO A VOTE ON SOMETHING AND ONCE WE GO TO A VOTE, YOU, YOU GOT 3 CHOICES HERE. YOU VOTE TO APPROVE, YOU VOTE TO DENY, OR YOU ASK FOR A AN AMENDMENT, YOU MOVE FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT GETS VOTED ON TO THE NUMBER. SO GET READY FOR WHATEVER IT IS EACH OF YOU WISHES TO PURSUE. SO JUST A QUESTION. IF WE VOTE TO AMEND IT, WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND THE SALARY NUMBER IN THAT AMENDMENT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, BUT YOU'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND RIGHT NOW. WE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO CALL A VOTE. MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS SAID TO ME BACK IN FEBRUARY IS, WHY DO WE HAVE TURNOVER? COMPETITIVE SALARY IS A BIG PART OF THAT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION PACKAGE NEXT DOOR, JACKS BEACH MICHAEL HAS A PENSION OTHER CITIES HAVE FRS. 
          WE'RE OFFERING A 10% RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTION. WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT AS GOOD AS FRS OR PENSION. 
          SO IN LIEU OF THAT, SOMETIMES 10% CONTRIBUTE, CONTRIBUTION TO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OFFERING. I MEAN ANYBODY ELSE GETS 3%. WELL, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. SO YEAH, AT JAX BEACH SHE HAS A PENSION. 
          I'M JUST PLAYING. YEAH, 10%. I MEAN, ANOTHER, ANOTHER VERY GOOD THING ABOUT THIS JOB, NO MATTER WHAT IT'S IS TRUE, IS IT'S 10% CONTRIBUTION. YOU LOOKED AT LONGEVITY. YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO STAY LONG. I THINK A STRONG COMPENSATION SALARY PACKAGE IS KEY TO THAT. LAST WEEK I WAS AT THE SHRM CONFERENCE ALL WEEK, 20,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED IN ORLANDO. 
          AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT IN ALMOST EVERY SESSION IS HOW DO WE ATTRACT THE RIGHT PERSON? HOW DO WE KEEP THE RIGHT PERSON? AND HOW DO WE NOT RETAIN THE BAD PERSON? AND I MEAN, THAT THESE NUMBERS COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS. BRUCE AND I LOOKED AT THE SALARY RANGES FROM FEBRUARY AND MARCH AND APRIL AS WE'RE PREPARING TO POST WITH SGR AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT THEM TO USE FOR SALARY WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION, OF COURSE, OUR SUPPORT. AND IT WAS RIGHT IN LINE WITH, I WOULD SAY, BETWEEN YOU KNOW, $200,000 AND $245,000 WHERE BILL WAS AT THE SALARY RANGES THAT WERE IN 2022 WHEN WE POSTED. WHAT WAS THE HIGH NUMBER WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THAT EARLIER FOR POSTING, FOR RECRUITING, FOR OUR POSITION? YEAH. OH, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS REASONABLE TO GO TO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT. 
          IT WOULD BE VERY HARD. I'M ASKING, WAS $245,000 THE HIGH NUMBER? YEAH. OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE HIGH NUMBER. YEAH. I, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING, IS THAT HE'S NOT AGREEING WITH THE HIGH NUMBER, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE PUTTING, YOU'RE PUTTING, WHAT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IS WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING HIM THE HIGH LEVEL, IN THE JOB A LONG TIME, HIGH PERFORMANCE NUMBER FROM THE RIGHT OUT THE GATE. I DON'T BELIEVE, $245. SORRY, THIS $245 IS GOING TO TURN INTO $300 BEFORE YOU BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. AND I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM $245, WE'RE OFFERING THEM $230. 
          WELL, WELL, STILL YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. WHEN WE LOOKED ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE MEDIAN IS $260,000, THE MEAN IS $267,000. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, OH, THE SOUTH FLORIDA CITIES SKEW THAT. MANY OF THEM ARE UP AROUND $300,000. SO I PULLED SOME JUST LOCAL ONES. LAKELAND IS AT $238,000, FORT MYERS IS AT $269,000, PARKLAND IS AT $267,000, PLANT CITY IS AT $230,000. THOSE, THOSE ARE MUCH BIGGER BUDGETS. THOSE ARE NOT COMPARABLE. PLANT CITY. PLANT CITY. THAT'S BIGGER. WAY BIGGER. YEAH. HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN PLANT CITY? I THINK IT'S THAT BIG, ACTUALLY. YEAH. 
          30,000, MAYBE. THAT'S DOUBLE US. ONE OF THE THINGS, THOUGH, YOU'RE NOT SHARING, THOUGH, IS, OKAY, THE SALARY, I GET THAT. 
          BUT WHO'S THAT FOR? IS THAT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THE POSITION FOR 10, 15 YEARS AND DOING KNOCKING IT OUT OF THE PARK AND GETTING GRANT MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE DRIVING SOME OF THOSE LARGER NUMBERS. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPERIENCED PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE STAYED LONG ENOUGH TO GET THOSE NUMBERS. WELL, YOU HAVE A CANDIDATE WITH 30 YEARS' EXPERIENCE, 9 YEARS WITH YOUR CITY. OKAY. I THINK YOU SHOULD PAY HIM WHAT'S FAIR. 
          [02:30:02]
I'LL LET YOU KIND OF BRING US HOME, BRUCE. YEAH. 
          YEAH, I, I DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRANT IN THAT, DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING? I, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          YOU, YOU SAID HE'S NEVER BEEN IN THIS POSITION. NO, I SAY WE'RE TAKING A LEAP OF FAITH, MEANING, OKAY, I DIDN'T SAY WE DON'T KNOW HIM. 
          HE'S BEEN HERE 10 YEARS. WE HAVEN'T, HE'D NEVER BE CITY MANAGER. 
          I'M, I'VE GOT THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T, WORKS. YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN BE CALLED ON. SO MY POINT WAS THAT, AND, AND SOME OF YOU HAD TO SIT THROUGH THIS DIATRIBE KEVIN HAS BEEN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. I GOT TO REMEMBER THE AMOUNT OF MONTHS. I THINK WE KNOW WHAT HE'S CAPABLE OF. I THINK WE KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING NOW, AND I THINK HE'S A VALUE ADDED TO THE CITY. AND SO I LOOK AT, HEY, IF I, IF I WAS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, I WAS GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE, I MAY HAVE TO PAY A PREMIUM TO GET WHAT I WANT. THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. OKAY, AT THIS POINT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VOTE. 
          YES, I DO NEED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT, PAGE 1 OF 13, IN SECTION 2B. 
          IN OUR CHARTER, THE CITY MANAGER IS REFERRED TO AS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. WE HAVE IT IN HERE AS EXECUTIVE. I THINK THAT CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE. OKAY, SO WOULD YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION OR NOPE. WELL, RELATIVE TO THE TITLE. OKAY. WHAT WOULD KEEP THE TITLE? THE TITLE WOULD BE INSTEAD OF CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. OKAY. I'M THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER. OH. WELL, I'M NOT A CHAIR. SO LET ME AMEND THE MOTION. I RECOMMEND, SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. IS IT 2682? LET ME MAKE THIS EASY. THAT'S A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, AND SO WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          YOU DON'T NEED AN AMENDMENT FOR THAT. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S EMBEDDED AND INHERENT IN ANY MOTION WE DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION, CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE? THE ONLY MOTION WE HAD ON THE FLOOR WAS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2681. OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE, MA'AM. LET ME CHECK BACK AND SEE WHO I LEFT. 
          OKAY. COMMISSIONER KELLY? AYE. COMMISSIONER RING? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLE? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GRANT? NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MAYOR FORD. AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, CITY MANAGER. MAKE US PROUD. THIS IS APPROPRIATE. WE DO, WE CAN APPLAUD FOR THAT. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THIS SO THAT EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY STILL HAVE SOME INPUT HERE. AND THAT IS, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH BUDGET SEASON. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE POSITIONS NECESSARY, EITHER EXPANDED EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEES OR NEW, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE NECESSARY TO BACKFILL WHAT MR. HOGANCAMP PREVIOUSLY DID. AND IT IS MY EXPECTATION, AND I HAVE HIS COMMITMENT, THAT THESE POSITIONS WILL NOT COME UP TO WHAT HE GAVE, GAVE UP ON THE PREVIOUS SALARY. SO I'M EXPECTING A BUDGET REDUCTION IN THAT AREA. NOW, WHETHER THAT'S DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, NEITHER. I, THAT'S LEFT TO BE SEEN. 
          BUT THIS COMMISSION IS IN CONTROL OF THE BUDGET, SO WE WILL WORK CLOSELY OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ON BUDGET WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP. BUT YOU GUYS VOTE ON THE BUDGET, SO NEVER FORGET, IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL, 
          [8.D. RESOLUTION NO. 26-82]
IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL SOMETHING, CONTROL THE PURSE, AND THAT'S YOUR OPTION. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION, AND CONGRATULATIONS, MR. HOGENCAMP. OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON NOW BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER RESOLUTION. 
          LET'S SEE, ACTUALLY THE, THE NEXT ONE WE GET, IT'S A, A PERFUNCTORY ONE, BUT RESOLUTION, YEAH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-82. THANK YOU, BOB. I APOLOGIZE. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. I'M ON THE NEXT ONE IF YOU NEED IT. 
          RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-82, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, RESCINDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-60, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE CITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT SERVICES TO CONDUCT A SEARCH FOR A CITY MANAGER, PROVIDING FINDINGS, PROVIDING THAT RESOLUTION NUMBER, PROVIDING THAT RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-60 SHALL BE OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. GABRIEL. SURE, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY CLEANUP. WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL BECAUSE WE NEVER DID 
          [02:35:02]
EXECUTE THAT SGR RECRUITMENT CONTRACT. BUT NEVERTHELESS, THIS IS A CLEAN WAY OF JUST RESCINDING IT OFFICIALLY AND PUTTING IT TO REST. OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2682. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION 
          [8.E. RESOLUTION NO. 26-83]
AND SECOND. DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          ITEM 8E, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-83, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE PAID PARKING PROGRAM AT BEACHES TOWN CENTER TO EXTEND THE FORMAL TERM THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          MR. HOGANCAMP, YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD. WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS A FEW TIMES, AND YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING. 
          WE'VE UH, GOTTEN THE CITY OF NEPTUNE BEACH TO AGREE TO CONTINUE OUR, OUR PAID PARKING AGREEMENT WITH US THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. THIS IS FOR BEACHES TOWN CENTER, AND WE'LL TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR BE PREPARED TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME BACK ON WITH A NEW AGREEMENT UNLESS WE GET TO THE POINT TO OPERATE OUR PARK PARKING PROGRAM SEPARATELY. OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2683. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION 
          [8.F. RESOLUTION NO. 26-85]
AND SECOND. DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 8F, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2685, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ST. 
          JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH FOR COASTAL HABITAT REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION PROJECTS, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND RELATED PROJECT AGREEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE TERMS OF THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU. 
          THIS RESOLUTION GIVES US A HEAD START TOWARD A PRIORITY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, AS THE COMMUNITY KNOWS, THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF SALT MARSH HABITAT DUE TO SHORELINE EROSION FOR VARIOUS REASONS. CITY ENGINEER SWAN HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH HIS AFOREMENTIONED GREAT RELATIONSHIPS, INCLUDING WITH ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, TO IDENTIFY AND DEVELOP A SALT MARSH RESTORATION PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY, OR PERHAPS MULTIPLE PROJECTS. 
          STEPS TO FACILITATE THIS HAPPENING IN FUTURE RESTORATION INITIATIVES, WE WOULD BE ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH, WITH ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THIS MOA DOES NOT COMMIT THE CITY TO ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT OR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION. IT IS POSSIBLE, THOUGH, THAT WE GET A PROJECT FULLY FUNDED IN THE MEANTIME BY, BY THE DISTRICT. IN ADDITION TO THE MOSQUITO DITCH RESTORATION PROJECT THAT THAT WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE DISTRICT ABOUT. OUR STAFF IS WORKING WITH A CONSULTING FIRM TO DEVELOP A PILOT PROJECT NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF DUTTON ISLAND. WE, WE ENTHUSIASTICALLY ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-85. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE GET HUGE SUPPORT FROM THAT MAN SITTING OVER THERE. HE COMES TO MORE OF THESE MEETINGS AND PROVIDES INSIGHT. YES, HE DOES. THANK 
          [9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 5-26-75, Introduction and First Reading]
YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. LET'S SEE. 9A ORDINANCE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE NOW. NUMBER 5-26-75, INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING. 
          AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DUVAL COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 9, CITY FEES, AMENDING DIVISION 2, BUILDING CODE FEES, INCLUDING SECTION 2-500, SCHEDULE OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES, SECTION 2-501, SCHEDULE OF ELECTRICAL PERMIT FEES, SECTION 2-502, SCHEDULE OF PLUMBING PERMIT FEES, AND SECTION 2-503, SCHEDULE OF MECHANICAL AND GAS PERMIT FEES, AMENDING DIVISION 3, FIRE DEPARTMENT FEES, INCLUDING SECTION 2-510, CREATING A NEW DIVISION 4, PUBLIC WORKS FEES, INCLUDING SECTION 2-520, SCHEDULE OF PUBLIC WORKS PERMIT FEES, CREATING A NEW DIVISION 5, ZONING FEES, INCLUDING SECTION 2-530, PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT, CODIFICATION, APPLICABILITY, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. HOGANCAMP, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          STAFF PRESENTED THESE PROPOSED CHANGES AT YOUR MEETING ON JUNE 8TH. JUST FOR INFORMATION, WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH FIRST READ, AND SECOND 
          [02:40:02]
READ AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL FOLLOW. SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS BY THE COMMISSION, SO STAFF IS PROCEEDING WITH THE PROPOSED REVISIONS AS PRESENTED. THESE FEES, THIS FEE SCHEDULE WILL BE STRUCTURED TO ACCOUNT FOR DIRECT AND INDIRECT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PERMIT ADMINISTRATION. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE NET GAIN WOULD BE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE A NET GAIN IN TERMS OF REVENUE. THE VARIOUS SERVICES INCLUDE PLAN REVIEW AND TECHNICAL REVIEW SERVICES, BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND REINSPECTIONS, PERMIT PROCESSING AND ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD, TECHNOLOGY AND PERMITTING SOFTWARE SYSTEMS, RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND DOCUMENT RETENTION, CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, AND PERSONNEL COSTS. WE ASK THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE. 
          RECOMMEND WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-26-75 ON THE FIRST READING. SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. 
          I'M NOT SEEING, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. THAT WOULD BE ON THE SECOND. DISCUSSION? SO THIS IS LIKE TO KEEP THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SELF-SUFFICIENT, CORRECT? AT LEAST, AND COMPETITIVE. 
          WE'LL BE MUCH BETTER POSITIONED FOR IT TO BE CLOSE TO SELF-SUFFICIENT. ALSO, WE'RE ADDRESSING SOME STATE REQUIREMENTS CONCURRENTLY AS FAR AS WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS TELLING US WHAT WE MUST DO FEE-WISE. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO 
          [9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 5-26-76, Introduction and First Reading]
FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOVING TO 9B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-26-76. 
          YEP, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DUVAL COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 9, CITY FEES, BY CREATING A NEW DIVISION 6, PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY FEES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSOLIDATING CITY FEES INTO A SINGLE CHAPTER OF THE CODE, AMENDING CHAPTER 05, BEACHES, PARKS, AND RECREATION, SECTION 5-32, USER FEES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES, TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FEE SCHEDULE AND REFERENCE THE NEW FEE LOCATION IN CHAPTER 2, PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT, CODIFICATION, APPLICABILITY, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. HOGANCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, STAFF PRESENTED THE PROPOSED RECREATIONAL FACILITY RENTAL FEE SCHEDULE. WE DO HAVE SOME ESTIMATED NUMBERS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE WE MIGHT GENERATE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR, AND IT STANDS TO BE MAYBE $10,000 TO $20,000 ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO OFFSET EXPENSES. 
          OVERALL, THESE PROPOSED REVISIONS ARE INTENDED TO ESTABLISH A MORE EQUITABLE, TRANSPARENT, AND FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLY, SUSTAINABLE FEE STRUCTURE. 
          FOR THE USERS OF OUR FACILITIES THAT THAT REQUIRE PAY. WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE ON FIRST READ, KNOWING THAT WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING UH, BEFORE APPROVAL ON SECOND READ. RECOMMEND WE ADOPT ORDINANCE 5-26-76 ON FIRST READING. SECOND. WE 
          [9.C. ORDINANCE NO. 95-26-128, Introduction and First Reading]
HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. 
          DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. 
          AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 9C. BEFORE I READ IT, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'VE GOT TOO MANY NOTES GOING ON HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-26-128, INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, DUVAL COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 23, PROTECTION OF TREES AND NATIVE VEGETATION, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AMENDING ARTICLE 2, LANGUAGE AND DEFINITIONS, SECTION 23-8, DEFINITIONS, TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREE, AMENDING ARTICLE 4, DIVISION 05, AREAS OF SPECIAL CONCERN, TO CREATE SECTION 23-42, LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREES, ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS, PRESERVATION STANDARDS, REMOVAL CRITERIA, RELOCATION REQUIREMENTS, AND MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREES, PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT, CODIFICATION, APPLICABILITY, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. HOGANCAMP. MAYOR, I AM PREPARED TO IF CALLED UPON, STAFF CAN SHOW SOME SLIDES AND PROVIDE SOME DATA, IF YOU'D LIKE. OTHERWISE, I'M WONDERING IF YOU WANT TO CARRY THE BANNER ON THIS. 
          YEAH. OKAY. I JUST, I THINK AMANDA'S AROUND THE CORNER. 
          AMANDA, CAN YOU JOIN US, PLEASE? SO I'M SEEKING SOME ANSWERS BECAUSE THIS, FIRST 
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OF ALL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE OAK TREES. AND I KNOW THAT SOME HERE BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE ANYTHING WITHIN THE MARITIME FOREST. BUT SO SOME CONCERNS I HAVE IS IN, I BELIEVE IN THIS, WE, DO WE HAVE A REFERENCE IN THIS TO STILL LOOKING TO AN INDEPENDENT ARBORIST REPORT ON CHAMPION TREES TO BE REMOVED? THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, YES, INCLUDES THAT. 
          IT IS ON PAGE 2 OF 3 IN THE STAFF REPORT. 1, 2, 3, THE 4TH SENTENCE DOWN, COMMA, THE CITY WILL RETAIN AN INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY ARBORIST TO EVALUATE THE TREE. THIS IS IF AN APPLICANT COMES IN WITH AN ARBORIST REPORT DEEMING THE TREE A HAZARD. OKAY, SO THIS, THANK YOU. SO I DON'T NEED TO READ IT. I ACCEPT THAT. 
          TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THAT MEANS. IF WE, IF THEY HAVE A LICENSED ARBORIST UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE THAT SAYS THAT TREE IS DISEASED, A RISK, SO ON, HOW DO WE DO THAT PIECE? WELL, AND MAYBE GET A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THAT. BUT UNDER STATE LAW, IF SOMEONE PRESENTS A LICENSED ARBORIST CERTIFICATION LETTER THAT A TREE IS DISEASED OR OTHERWISE, THEN WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ALLOW FOR THEIR REMOVAL OF IT. OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT, WELL, IT DOES. AND SO WHAT I'M, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS I'M JUST GOING TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I THINK WE MAY BE RUSHING HERE. 
          FOR ALL OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE WHO BELIEVE THAT WE SPENT 2 YEARS AND GOT NOWHERE, I GET YOU ON THAT. I'M THE ONE WHO, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I'M THE ONE THAT TEED THIS UP TO GET GOING ON OUR OLD-GROWTH TREES. SO I'M NOT AGAINST DOING SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO RUSH AND HAVE ERRORS IN THIS ORDINANCE. 
          BUT GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER, YOU HAD A QUESTION. YEAH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? MAYBE I'M NOT READING THIS RIGHT, BUT SO IS THE ARBORIST AND TREES REMOVED BECAUSE, IS THAT SEPARATE FROM THIS DATA HERE OR IS IT INCLUDED? IT'S SEPARATE FROM. OKAY, I WAS THINKING MAYBE IT WAS INCLUDED. 
          I SAW TOTAL TREES REMOVED WITH PERMITS, 98, AND THEN UH 11 OVER HERE. SO IT'S LIKE, I'M JUST, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. SO THE ESC WILL BE GIVING YOU KIND OF A STATE OF THE CANOPY ADDRESS NEXT MONTH, AND THEY'LL GO INTO DEPTH ON THESE PARTICULAR NUMBERS. 
          WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW WITH THE NEXT SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS WE PULLED, SEE IF WE CAN GET IT TO GO FORWARD. I CAN'T GET IT WORKING FOR YOU. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE PULLED SOME RECENT DATA ON PARTICULAR OAK TREES. I KNOW THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE HAS A DBH TO BE ANNOUNCED OR TO TALK, BE TALKED ABOUT IN A PUBLIC FORUM, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE DATA THERE. SO IN 2025, THAT'S THE MIDDLE COLUMN, YOU CAN SEE WE HAD 57 OAK TREES, LIVE OAK TREES, THAT WERE BETWEEN 8 INCHES AND 14 INCHES THAT WERE REMOVED, AND THEN 13 BETWEEN 15 AND 20 INCHES. 21 TO 30, THERE WAS 13. THE HIGHER DBH, WE ONLY HAD VERY MINIMAL TREES THAT WERE 31 TO 70 INCHES REMOVED. SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PROTECT THE TREES, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON DBH IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. AND THEN THE PERMITS YEAR-TO-DATE, THESE ARE THROUGH MAY, SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE TREES THAT WERE REMOVED THIS JUNE IN HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE PATTERN WHERE WE ARE FOR THE SIZE. IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY WE'RE NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE BY PUTTING IT AT 20%? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE MOVING IT MUCH THERE COMPARED TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT REMOVED VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. WE'D ONLY BE PROTECTING A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF WHAT'S BEING PULLED OUT OF HERE. WE JUST WANTED THE DATA SO YOU GUYS CAN START THAT DISCUSSION FOR THE DBH. SURE. 
          OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER REED. 
          I'M SORRY, I'LL GET YOU IN A ARE WE DISCUSSING BEFORE THE MOTION? OKAY, I'M OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH, WE'RE DOING THAT AGAIN. 
          OKAY, THEN LOOKING AT THIS, WE COULD HAVE SAVED ALMOST 90 TREES. YEAH, 90 TREES IF IT WERE 20 INCHES, I GUESS. 
          WELL, I GUESS THE 57 IN THE FRONT, SO MOST OF THEM ARE 57 FOR THE PERMITS IN 2025 WERE UNDER 20 INCHES. 
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BUT IF WE UPDATE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE HERE. SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED 20 INCHES IN DIAMETER, ESC UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THAT DATA, LOOKING, LOOKING HERE. WE, IF WE BUMP IT TO 50, LOOK, THAT'S JUST 3 TREES. 13, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 TO 20. IT'S NOT, THOSE ALL ARE 20 INCHES. 
          THOSE OKAY, WE GOT, WE GOT 2 PEOPLE SPEAKING HERE. SO AT LEAST 20 TREES FOR SURE IF THE 15 TO 20 INCHES. SO VERSUS ONE. OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER BOLE. YEAH, I DO. 
          IN FRONT OF ME, WE, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON LIVE OAKS THE WHOLE WAY. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO DEFINE LANDMARK TREES TO INCLUDE ALL MARITIME SPECIES AT 20 INCHES DIAMETER BREAST HEIGHT OR HIGHER, AS PER STAFF AND ESC'S RESEARCH RECOMMENDATION THAT I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ARBORIST, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, KEVIN AND AMANDA, TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT MARITIME, HOLD ON. 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING US YOU PLAN ON PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT? OKAY. BUT I TRIED TO FRAME MY QUESTION SO HE WOULD UNDERSTAND. THAT'S FINE. WE CAN BRING HIM UP. YES. HELLO, CHRIS DELK, CITY ARBORIST. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COMMISSION, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. YEAH, MARITIME FOREST. COULD YOU KIND OF DEFINE THAT FOR US AND TELL US WHAT THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD DO? SO MARITIME FOREST, I THINK WE HAVE 13 ON OUR LIST. SO YOU HAVE, IT GRABS ALL OF OUR GREAT TREES HERE, MAKE OUR FOREST DIVERSITY JUST LIKE HERE TODAY AND BEHIND ME. WE ALL WANT DIVERSITY. THAT FOREST, THEN IT WORKS WELL WITH OUR COMMUNITY NATIVE, RIGHT? SO IT'S WORKED WELL WITH OUR HOT, WET SUMMERS, RIGHT? THEY LOVE IT. THEY DO WELL WITH THAT. THEY ALSO ADAPT TO MORE HURRICANES. AND SO THAT EQUALS FROM JUNIPERS, EVERYONE CALLS CEDARS HERE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUNIPERS. 
          BUT JUNIPERS, AS WELL AS OUR, SORRY, OUR OAKS AND OTHER ONES. SO BASICALLY, WE WANT TO EXPECT THEM ALL. WE REALLY DO. THEY ALL, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN THE PALMS, YOU'VE SEEN THE OAKS GROW TOGETHER. 
          YOU'VE SEEN THEM CONNECT ON, YOU REALLY WANT THAT. SOUTHERN MAGS, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL ONE DOWN HERE I JUST SAW TODAY WITH A LIVE OAK THAT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST 50-PLUS INCHES AND A NICE SOUTHERN MAG GROWING RIGHT INTO THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ENOUGH COLOR. 
          ENOUGH COLOR. DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? A BUNCH OF TREES. YES. DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY, OR DIVERSITY. 
          YEAH. IF YOU WANT THAT. OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION. AND YOU MENTIONED THIS. HOW DOES IT PROTECT US THROUGH HURRICANE SEASON, STORM, WATER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S MORE RIGHT. SO AS THE CANOPY CREATES THIS BEAUTIFUL THING ABOVE US, RIGHT, THAT WIND CAN'T GET THROUGH, START PUSHING DOWN, TREES WORK AROUND IT. I MEAN, REALLY, IT'S A MESH. IT'S A GREAT BEAUTIFUL MESH. AND YOU START BREAKING THAT MESH. IT'S LIKE US TOGETHER, CREATIVE CHAIN WORKS REALLY STRONG. A FOREST THAT'S BROKEN UP AND DOESN'T DO AS WELL, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL KIND OF SUPPORTING TOGETHER. SO IT MAKES A FOREST IS MORE THAN ONE TREE. A FOREST IS THE TREES, AS THEY SAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. YOU CAN STICK AROUND IN CASE WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. I GUESS WHERE I WANT TO NAVIGATE TO IS, THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. I DON'T, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT RIGHT NOW THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS ACCURATE. 
          YOU KNOW, MORE TREE CANOPY IS BETTER IN A STORM AND SO ON. WHAT'S NOT IN THIS LEGISLATION IS AN UNDERSTANDING AND A DELINEATION BETWEEN THOSE TREES THAT CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE AND THOSE TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SO IT'S A NICE IDEA THAT WE KEEP ALL OF THIS TO PROTECT US, BUT THEN WE NEED TO JUST BUY ALL THIS LAND AND MAKE IT CITY PRESERVE, RIGHT? AND THAT OUR BUDGET DOESN'T HAVE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUYING EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY. WHAT I HAD ASKED BEFORE WAS THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MAKE IT PUT FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO REMOVE TREES WITHIN THE SETBACKS, I.E., THE 20-FOOT SETBACK, IF THAT'S THE SETBACK, THE 15 FEET OF SIDE SETBACKS, THE 20-FOOT REAR SETBACK, BECAUSE THOSE ARE BEING CLEAR-CUT IN SOME CASES. BUT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST OAK TREES, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT, BUT NOT JUST OAK TREES, BUT ALL TREES IN A MARITIME FOREST AND WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING, AND IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE, WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS TREES THAT WE WANT TO KEEP AS COMMUNITY, FOR COMMUNITY RIGHTS, AND DENY THEM THE ABILITY OF REASONABLE ENJOYMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, I.E., WE DELAY AND THERE'S NO DATES OR ANYTHING. SO HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING. I AM NOT GOING TO BE APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT. IF I DO APPROVE IT, I'M GOING TO BE FIGHTING VERY START ON THE NEXT MEETING. WE ARE GOING TO RAMROD THIS THROUGH IN, IN 2 WEEKS. AND YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS IN 
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THIS CITY THAT ARE NOT THE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP. 
          AND I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU BECAUSE I LOVE THE TREES TOO, BUT YOU'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED. 
          AND THERE ARE MANY CITIZENS OUT THERE THAT WILL FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT THEIR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN STRIPPED WITH THEM AND THEY CAN'T PROPERLY DEVELOP UP THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT I WANT THIS COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND AND WORK ON IS LET'S GET SOME LANGUAGE INTO THIS ORDINANCE. WE'RE GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT LET'S GET SOME LANGUAGE INTO IT THAT IS DEFENSIBLE. 
          AND 2 THINGS THAT ARE MISSING: ONE IS I HAD ASKED BEFORE THAT WE ACTUALLY COME UP WITH INCENTIVES. THERE'S NO INCENTIVES ANYWHERE IN THIS LANGUAGE. AND NUMBER 2 IS THAT WE FOCUS ON THE TREES OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT. AND LET ME GIVE YOU A GREAT EXAMPLE. AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH A FEW PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE A TREE IN A 7.5-FOOT SETBACK AND THE CANOPY ON THAT TREE IS 30 FEET, IT'S A GOOD BET THAT YOU GOT ROOTS WELL UNDER THE NEW FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, BUT SO BE IT. AND THE INCENTIVE TO TRY TO RETAIN THAT TREE IS WE MAKE IT MORE ONEROUS TO REMOVE THAT TREE WHETHER IT'S FEES, DELAY, WE COULD USE DELAY IF WE SO CHOOSE. AND WE TRY TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DESIGN THE HOUSE AROUND THE TREE. 
          BUT THAT'S A TREE THAT'S ON THE PERIMETER. WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT OUR CITY IS GOING TO MAKE A HUGE ERROR, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TREE THAT'S RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE LOVE IT SO MUCH, AND IT'S A COMMUNITY TREE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DENY THE RIGHT RIGHTS OF THE CITIZEN THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO REALLY THINK HARD BEFORE WE JUST GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF PASSING SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TIRED OF WAITING. WE NEED TO PASS GOOD LEGISLATION. SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE MY FINAL POINT, AND THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR MORE DISCUSSION. AND THAT IS, I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE TODAY WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TWEAK SOME THINGS ON THE NEXT MEETING I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE THAT WE STICK WITH THE, THE OAK TREES. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THE DBH. I THOUGHT 30 INCHES WOULD BE FINE. I GET THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE ON THE 20-INCH DBH, BUT I HOPE THIS COMMISSION WILL LOOK AT STARTING OFF SLOWER. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD TO IT NEXT YEAR, BUT IF YOU GO TOO FAR, YOU'RE GOING TO RUE THE DAY THAT YOU JUST TRAMPLED THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS OF ATLANTIC BEACH. 
          WITH ONEROUS LEGISLATION. END OF COMMENTS. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I THINK THERE'S A HALFWAY OR A MEDIUM GROUND. I DO. I AGREE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE IS WE FOCUS SO MUCH ON LIVE OAKS. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOT TO BE MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS. SO HOW MANY DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY, HOW MANY LIVE OAKS OVER YOU KNOW, 20 DBH OR ET CETERA, ET CETERA. ANY IDEA? LIKE IN THE CITY OVER, LIKE, PRIVATE PROPERTY? ANYWHERE. 
          NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S 13, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. AND BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER BOLL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING FOR ON THE TREE SURVEY. AND RECENTLY, MR. HOGANCAMP EXPLAINED TO ME WE'RE ONLY GETTING A TREE SURVEY ON THOSE TREES THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY'S THE CITY OWN LAND, SO WE WON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE CANOPY ON PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND SO ON. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T SIZE EITHER THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE IMPACT OF NOT DOING SOMETHING. 
          BUT I, AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN PASS LEGISLATION TO GET GOING ON THIS. I JUST THINK LIVE OAKS IS WHERE YOU START. 
          BUT I LISTEN. IN FACT, I WROTE IT DOWN, WHOEVER SAID A MARITIME FOREST IS AN ECOSYSTEM, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU SAID OH, COME ON, NOT ALL 3 OF YOU SAID THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, I DEFINITELY REMEMBER MR. GIOVANNUCCI DID, AND, AND MAYBE HOLLY DID AS WELL. 
          BUT SO BE IT. I AGREE, IT'S AN ECOSYSTEM, AND SO WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT WITH REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO PUT A BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY. AND WHAT I'VE BEEN SHARING BEFORE IS YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY PUT SOME FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM, AND THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO SUBMIT A DESIGN TO BUILD AROUND IT TO SAVE THE TREE. 
          AND FAILING THAT, AFTER 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME RESOLUTION TO LET THEM HAVE THEIR PERMIT. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE THIS LEGISLATION TO WHERE IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE WHO'S DECIDING, WHO'S THE WIZARD OF OZ THAT'S GOING TO DECIDE WHEN SOMEBODY GETS RELIEF AND WHEN THEY DON'T. AND I DON'T SEE IT IN THE LEGISLATION. IT'S VERY IT'S PROBLEMATIC. IT REALLY WORRIES ME TO DEATH. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT. 
          MAYBE I SHOULD ASK YOU KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO I 
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LOOKED OVER IT YES. OKAY SO WHAT WOULD THE EFFECT OF JUST PICKING OUT THE LIVE TREES? I MEAN, IN GENERAL, IN YOUR OPINION, JUST PICKING THEM OUT. I MEAN, AGAIN, THEN YOU'RE JUST PICKING OUT THE CHERRY OF THIS. YOU'RE JUST PICKING ONE TREE. IT'S LIKE, AGAIN, I'VE SEEN SOME BEAUTIFUL SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT WE'VE LOST. I MEAN, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TREES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THE FOREST UP. WE DON'T WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON SAVING ONE PARTICULAR ONE. 
          NO, AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I AGREE WITH THAT. MAGNOLIAS ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITES, OKAY? BUT I'M SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE HERE TODAY. WE WANT TO PASS SOMETHING TODAY AND THEN RATIFY IT IN 2 WEEKS ON A SECOND READ AND I'M GOING TO FIGHT THIS THING IF WE HAVE TO GO TOO DEEP ON THIS. I'M NOT LETTING THIS COME TO PASS WITHOUT GETTING A LOT OF CITIZENS INVOLVED, BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OUT THERE WHO, WHO DON'T COME TO COMMISSION, THEY JUST WANT US TO RUN THINGS RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT AFTER WE PASSED IT. AND YOU'LL BE RIGHT, THAT WE LIKE MAGNOLIAS TOO. MAYOR, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU. YEAH, OKAY. 
          I GUESS MY POINT IS THIS IS THE FIRST READING, AND THE SECOND READING WILL HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS, AND WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE'D MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT WHAT'S ON OUR TABLE TONIGHT, RIGHT, IS 95-26-128, RIGHT? SO I WOULD ASK YOU, AND, AND I DON'T USUALLY MAKE THIS ASK, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MOVE TO PASS THIS AS WRITTEN AND THEN REVERSE YOUR APPROACH. 
          AND IF NEXT MEETING WE HAVE ENOUGH PUBLIC COMMITMENT AND WE, AND YOU SO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, THEN YOU ADD TO IT THEN, NOT ADD TO IT NOW WITHOUT ANY STUDY OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED. 
          YEAH. AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT. THE FRICTION THAT I TALK ABOUT, OH, THE OTHER THING IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT BOTHERS ME GREATLY. AGAIN, IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE DO HAVE THAT AN APPROVAL TO REMOVE ONE OF THESE TREES WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE CDB. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD GO TO THE COMMISSION, BUT PARDON, I THOUGHT IT COMES TO YOU GUYS. WELL, IT'S GOT TO DO BOTH. DID I MISS I DON'T KNOW. ARE WE DOING CDB AND COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE ARBITER ON EVERY TREE THAT'S BEING REMOVED THAT'S A 20-INCH DBH. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THE CDB DOING IT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE EVERY SINGLE MONTH, ALMOST EVERY MEETING, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADJUDICATING ON A 20-INCH DBH TREE? YOU ARE GOING TO GET ROASTED OVER THAT. WHY DO YOU KEEP LOOKING AT ME? BECAUSE YOU'RE MY FRIEND. YEAH, OKAY. THERE'S 3 OTHER OF MY FRIENDS THAT ARE, WELL, 2 OF MY FRIENDS. ANYWAYS, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO THINK THROUGH THIS. WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE BE IN CONSIDERATION OF FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS WE TAKE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT TREES OUT OF THAT GROUP. AGAIN, WHETHER YOU DO 20-INCH, 30, 40-INCH, AND SO ON. WE TAKE THE BIG TREES AND WE MAKE THOSE A RESPONSIBILITY OF BOTH THE CDB AND CITY COMMISSION, BUT NOT EVERY TREE. GOD HELP US. AND THEN IF WE DO END UP DOING EVERYTHING IN THE MARITIME FOREST, WE'RE GOING TO BRING ALL OF THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION? I DON'T THINK SO. SO ANYWAYS, LET'S GET RATIONAL ON WHERE WE'RE GOING, GUYS, AND LET'S WALK, NOT RUN OUT OF THE GATE. LET'S WALK. DO, YES, GO AHEAD. AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A SORT OF A BEFORE AND AFTER? WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THE LIVE OAKS TODAY VERSUS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS DOING TO PROVIDE FRICTION, TO PROVIDE, SO, GREATER MITIGATION WOULD BE ALL THOSE THINGS. SO, CURRENTLY, WE, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, IF THEY SUBMIT A PERMIT, WE CAN APPROVE ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A PROPOSED MITIGATION PLAN. THAT MITIGATION IS EITHER IN THE FORM OF PAYMENT INTO THE FUND OR PLANTING OF THE TREES. SO, THE FRICTION IN THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WOULD REQUIRE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD AND COMMISSION TO APPROVE WHATEVER WE DEFINE LANDMARK TREES AS, AND THAT WOULD SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN. IT WOULD REQUIRE PROBABLY ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 2 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE ALSO DOES HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REPLANTING OF OAK TREES IN A MINIMUM OF 4 INCHES IN CALIPER, AND THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN NOW. THAT WE REQUIRE IN BOTH EXISTING PLAN AND THIS ONE, OAK FOR OAK. AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP 
          [03:05:01]
BECAUSE THAT'S AN AREA I JUST INTUITIVELY THOUGHT THAT I WOULD SEE SOMETHING ON, THAT THERE WOULD BE CITIZENS SAYING, WHY ARE WE SETTLING FOR 4-INCH OAKS ON A 20 OR 30 OR 40-INCH DBH CUTDOWN? WHY CAN'T WE UP THAT? NOW, I, LET ME BE CAREFUL HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO BUY AN 8-INCH OAK TODAY. 
          VERY EXPENSIVE AND OFTENTIMES HARD TO SOURCE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS. I'M PERFECTLY OPEN AS THE LEADER ON THIS COMMISSION. I'M OPEN TO RAISING THE, THEY'RE NOT FINES, THE FEES FOR REMOVAL OF LARGER TREES, BUT NOT IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. SEE, THAT'S WHERE I DON'T WANT TO GO. I WANT TO STAY IN THOSE AREAS THAT REASONABLY THE CITIZENS COULD EXPECT ALL OF US TO PULL TOGETHER AND TRY TO SAVE THE TREES THAT ARE IN FRONT, IN THE REAR, AND ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          YEAH, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, AND I'M ALL FOR CONSIDERING THE PROPORTION OF THE MARITIME FOREST THAT'S BEING PRESENTED. I DON'T, I MEAN, AGAIN, I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHETHER OR NOT I SUPPORT ALL OF THE MARITIME FOREST TREES BECAUSE OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE VERY EXPENSIVE TO CUT DOWN ANY TREE WHATSOEVER, OR MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD EVEN A SHED BEFORE THEY EVEN BUILD A HOUSE. 
          WE'RE COVERING BECAUSE ALL THOSE COVER UP THE ENTIRE LOT, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT SEEMS HYPOCRITICAL TO ASK OUR NEIGHBOR TO DO SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DO BECAUSE WE'RE SITTING IN OUR HOUSE, RIGHT? ALL THE TREES ARE ALREADY GONE. BUT I'M ALL FOR SAVING MORE. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TEETH OF THIS SO I THINK A SPREADSHEET WOULD BE HELPFUL TODAY WITH THIS WITH IF WE DO SOMETHING WITH OTHER MARITIME SPECIES, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT HAS TEETH IN THAT WE'RE MAKING IT, WE'RE NOT JUST, I DON'T WANT TO DO JUST SOME COSMETIC THING HERE. I REALLY WANT TO PUT TEETH AND TAKING DOWN A LIVE OAK. AND SO THAT, AND I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNSURE THAT, THAT THIS DOES THAT. AND I ALSO WANT THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT MAYOR REFERS TO, FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND, HEY, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          AND I THINK A, A CHEAT SHEET LIKE THAT, CITY MANAGER, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO ALL IN UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER RING. SO, I'M FOR THE ALL MARITIME FOREST, AND I'M ALSO FOR THE 20-INCH. 
          THAT SLIDE YOU SHARED FOR PERMITS OF 2025 TO 2026 JUST STATES IT THERE. THE LAST 2 OR 1.5 YEARS, WE WOULD HAVE SAVED 1, 1 TREE. 
          AND I THINK THE REASON WHY COULD POSSIBLY BE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THEM. AND IF WE DON'T START AT 20 OR 30 OR 40 INCHES, LOOK, THERE WERE 13 JUST RIGHT THERE AT 21 TO 30 INCHES. THERE WERE 15 THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED THERE ALONE IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. 
          THEY TAKE, IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT LIVE OAKS, THEY TAKE 70 TO 100 YEARS, 120 YEARS JUST TO GROW TO 20 INCHES, THE LIVE OAK. I DO LISTEN TO A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS. I DON'T RESPOND A LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I THINK I READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THREATS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I HEAR SITTING IN THIS SEAT IS OVERDEVELOPMENT AND THE CUTTING OF OUR TREES IN THE LAST 4 AND A HALF YEARS. 
          I JUST GOT, I, I DIDN'T GET TO TALK A WHOLE LOT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR, I'VE BEEN PRETTY QUIET, THIS TIME, AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT'S WHY I'M READY TO VOTE TONIGHT NOT TO DEFER AND I'M READY TO AMEND WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TO INCLUDE ALL MARITIME AND TO BRING IT TO A VERY SPECIFIED CRITERIA OF 20 INCHES. CALL THE QUESTION. YEAH, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, HOLD ON, SHE CALLED THE QUESTION. 
          WHAT'S THE QUESTION? DID WE EVEN MOVE ON THIS? WE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED. THERE'S NO MOTION. 
          SO WE NEED TO, YOU CAN'T CALL THE QUESTION UNTIL THERE'S A MOTION. JUST ONE THING, I'LL BE QUICK. 
          WITH REGARD TO THE MARITIME FOREST, ONE OF THE THINGS SO FOR THE LIVE OAK, WE'VE SET A STANDARD SIZE TREE, WHICH I THINK WE COULD GO, I'D BE FOR GOING SMALLER ON THAT. BUT WITH THE MARITIME FOREST, WE'RE JUST SAYING BOOM, EVERYTHING. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DETERMINING HOW BIG THAT TREE SHOULD BE, ALL THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THE SIZE DOES MATTER, AS WE KNOW. 
          WITH THESE TREES AND WITH RESPECT TO PRESERVING THE HERITAGE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S APPROPRIATE ON ALL THAT. WE'D HAVE 
          [03:10:02]
TO GET THE ARBORIST TO HELP US WITH ALL THOSE THINGS, JUST LIKE WHATEVER WE CAME UP, WHATEVER EXERCISE WE WENT THROUGH TO DETERMINE THE SIZE FOR THE LIVE OAK WHAT'S THE SIZE GOING TO BE FOR THE OTHER TREES THAT WE WANT TO SAVE? SO ALL THAT MINUTIA NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, I THINK, BEFORE WE JUST START SAYING, OH, THE WHOLE MARITIME FOREST NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT ALL. OKAY, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE AMEND THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 95-26-128, REPLACING LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREES WITH ALL MARITIME FOREST AND INCLUDING A 20-INCH DIAMETER. CRITERIA. 
          SECOND. OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND, BUT I DIDN'T GET, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. 
          ARE YOU MOVING? WELL, LET ME GET THE, I NEED TO, MOVING TO ADOPT? NO, TO AMEND. HERE WE GO. OKAY. SO JUST MAYBE I CAN, JUST TO SET THE TABLE HERE. 
          NUMBER ONE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST READING, SO THERE'LL BE THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING. I MEAN, IF WE'RE PREPARED OBVIOUSLY TO JUST AMEND THIS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S GREAT AND WE CAN PROCEED WITH THAT. I HEARD EMBEDDED IN THAT MOTION THE AMENDMENT, WHICH IS FINE, THAT IT GO FROM A LANDMARK OAK TREE PROVISION TO ALL MARITIME FORESTS WITH A 20-FOOT DIAMETER. I JUST, 20-INCH. I'M SORRY, 20-INCH DIAMETER. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, DO WE HAVE LANGUAGE, OR I GUESS ARE WE DIRECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS DIRECTOR TO PREPARE LANGUAGE IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A WHOLESALE CHANGE, ISN'T IT, AMANDA? THERE'S A, YEAH, TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE. RIGHT, IT'S VERY VAGUE HERE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT SAYS ESTABLISH ENHANCED MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          AND INCREASE MITIGATION PENALTIES FOR UNAUTHORIZED REMOVALS. WE ALREADY, BY THE WAY, WE ALREADY HAVE THESE THINGS. 
          THERE'S DOUBLE ON THE MITIGATION IF YOU'RE UNAUTHORIZED ON REMOVAL. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS? DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE ONEROUS? COULD BE. BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER THE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THOSE TREES THAT WOULD BE WITHIN A NORMAL FOOTPRINT. 
          BECAUSE WE NEED TO, IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION. IF YOU WANT TO PUT THE SAME ONEROUS RULES ON THOSE TREES AS WELL, GO FOR IT. I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S TAKING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING. SO WHAT I WOULD, LET ME JUST PROPOSE MAYBE, AND YOU CAN DO THIS A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THIS IS A FIRST READING, SO YOU CAN APPROVE IT AS IS, BUT WITH DIRECT INSTRUCTION TO AMANDA AND MYSELF BY EXTENSION TO PREPARE LANGUAGE THAT, AND THEN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS, XYZ. THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT, OR YOU CAN CONTINUE IT. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT LANGUAGE WE'RE MOVING HERE. I'M MOVING EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, REPLACING LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREES WITH ALL MARITIME FOREST, ESTABLISHING REGULATION. WE COULD EVEN ADD IN THE 20-INCH DIAMETER. DBH THERE RIGHT AFTER THAT COMMA OF TREES, OF LANDMARK LIVE OAK TREES. 
          YOU PUT IT THERE ESTABLISHING HIS RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. DO WE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MOTION IS, DONNA? LANDMARK LIVE TREE, OAK TREE, APPLE TREE WITH ALL MARITIME FOREST AND INCLUDING 20-INCH DIAMETER DBH, 
          [03:15:02]
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DBH, THAT'S IT. OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND. DISCUSSION? YES, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I'M, I'M A FRIEND OF THE TREES. I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT MY FORMER PROPERTY THAT I LIVED IN WHEN I WAS ELECTED HAD 8 OAKS IN IT, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE THE DIAMETER OR DBH OF MY PROPERTY, THAT FORMER PROPERTY, AGAINST ANYBODY ON ANY COMMITTEE TO SEE IF YOU MATCH THAT KIND OF SUPPORT OF TREES. OKAY, SO I'M NOT, I AM A SUPPORTER OF THE TREES. I THINK SARAH WILL TELL YOU THAT, AND BRUCE. AND I DO THINK 20 INCHES IS FAIR. I DON'T KNOW, WE SHOULD I'D BE FOR POSSIBLY TAKING IT SMALLER. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE WE'VE AT THE LAST MINUTE ADDED THE MARITIME FOREST PIECE OF IT. AND I POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE FOR A PORTION OF THAT, IF NOT ALL OF IT, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          AND SOMEONE SNICKERED WHEN I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS. LIKE SOMEONE SAID, YES, THEY, YES, WE DO. WELL, I KNOW THEY'D BE CUT DOWN. 
          OKAY. BUT WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS THE IMPACT TO THE HOMEOWNER TRYING TO DO REASONABLE THINGS TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S THE PIECE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE I VOTE ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS GETTING SOME DATA BEFORE. BUT LOOK, I'M ONLY ONE PERSON HERE. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT OF US TO FIND OUT WE'VE GOT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 20 OR 10 OR WHATEVER IT IS DBH ASSIGNED TO THE LIVE OAK, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE OTHER MARITIME FOREST TREES. WE JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO CARE HOW BIG THEY ARE OR HOW SMALL THEY ARE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MINUTIAE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE PASS IT. THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRANT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT A MARITIME FOREST IS. 
          OKAY. BUT I AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT. MAYBE I'M AN IN-BETWEENER HERE WITH COMMISSIONER RING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, DONNA, LET'S HAVE A VOTE, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER RING? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOLE? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BRYANT? NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY? AYE. AYE. 
          [11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ALREADY WAIVED ITEM 10A, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ITEM ON 9TH AND 10TH STREET. SO WE'RE DOWN TO CITY ATTORNEY. WHAT SAY YE IS YOUR REPORT TODAY? I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT TODAY, SIR. THANK YOU. CITY CLERK, TRYING TO SEE, ACTUALLY APPROVE ORDERS OR JUST AMEND IT? WE APPROVED THE, WELL, IT WAS A MOTION, 
          [12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER]
WASN'T AMENDED. YEAH, IT WAS AN APPROVAL WITH AN, WITH AN EMBEDDED AMENDMENT WITHIN IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY COMMISSIONER BOLE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE GET PAID ENOUGH FOR THIS. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. 
          I THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLE. THANK YOU FOR THE HUMOR. COMMISSIONER GRANT. I'M DONE. COMMISSIONER KELLY. I'M DONE. COMMISSIONER RING. I'VE SAID ENOUGH. CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU TRULY FOR YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING WORKING WITH YOU, FOR YOU, FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'LL HAVE MORE TO SAY AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT'S TIME TO GO. 
          SINCERELY, THANKS. YEAH, CONGRATS. THANK YOU. AND I'LL CLOSE IT OUT. THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO HAD THE WHEREWITHAL TO STAY. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLE, BUT THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS, SOMETIMES A LITTLE MESSY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.