COURTESY OF THE BOARD. OKAY, HERE'S ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
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[2. COURTESY OF FLOOR TO VISITORS ]
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FIRST. FIRST CONTESTANT. YES! EVERYBODY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING HEARD ON THE RECORDING.DID YOU SAY FIVE? MAYOR. WE'RE DOING THREE MINUTES.
YES. JAMES JOHNSON. JAMES JOHNSON. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MR. CITY MANAGER, COMMISSIONERS.
I AM JAMES JOHNSON. ALTHOUGH MOST OF YOU KNOW ME BY A FEW OTHER THINGS.
I HAVE SUGGESTIONS WHERE TO GO. TWO OF THEM HALFWAY BETWEEN CAVALLA AND CUTLASS, AND ANOTHER HALFWAY BETWEEN CUTLASS AND PLAZA, AND ANY OF THE REST OF THEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLACE.
ROYAL PALMS IS A COLLECTOR ROADWAY THUS DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THE RESIDENT PETITION.
I STARTED IT THAT WAY AND WAS GIVEN DIRECTION.
THE COMMISSION, ALTHOUGH CAN AUTHORIZE ANYTHING THAT THEY WISH TO AUTHORIZE.
BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE A COPY OF AN EMAIL FROM COMMANDER LASSON TO ME THAT SHOWS WHAT I'M ABOUT.
A TOTAL OF ALMOST 60,000 VEHICLES PASSED THROUGH WITH AN AVERAGE SPEED OF 31MPH.
THE SPEED OF 85% OF THOSE VEHICLES WAS AT OR A LITTLE BELOW WAS 36 MILES AN HOUR.
THIS IS CLEARLY IN EXCESS OF THE POSTED 25 MILE AN HOUR LIMIT.
THE POLICE PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN GREAT IN PATROLLING THE AREA SINCE THEY DID THE SURVEY, AND I'M NOT DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CITATIONS THEY HAVE WRITTEN, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN SEVERAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
THANK YOU. PATRICK SALFER. I AGREE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID.
FOR THE RECORD, HE AGREES WITH WHAT WAS JUST SAID.
THANK YOU. MR. IS IT SALTER? SALFER. THANK YOU, MR. SALFER. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. LET ME. SURE. NOW HE WANTS TO TALK.
YOU'VE ALREADY USED 10 SECONDS. I LIVED ON ROYAL PALMS DRIVE SINCE 1962.
WE USED TO THROW BALLS OUT IN THE STREET TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
YOU KNOW, BEACH BALLS AND WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING CRAZY ON THAT STREET.
AND THERE WAS NO STOP SIGN THERE WHERE RANDY'S HOUSE IS.
SO THEN BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPEED ARE NOT LIVING ON ROYAL PALM DRIVE OF COURSE.
THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SALFER. RANDY EISENHOWER. AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO SAY.
HELLO. MY NAME IS ERIC SHULMAN. THIS IS MY WIFE, CLAIRE.
WE RECENTLY MOVED TO ATLANTIC BEACH IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR.
WE GOT MARRIED AND MOVED HERE. WE LIVE AT 303 AHERN STREET, WHICH IS PART OF A COLLECTION OF TOWNHOMES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GRAND. WE MOVED TO ATLANTIC BEACH. WE LOVE THE WALKABILITY.
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LIVING IN DOWNTOWN DC AND LIVING IN MIDTOWN MANHATTAN AFTER THAT.SO WE'RE NO STRANGERS TO NOISE AND ACTIVITY AND WE LOVE ALL OF IT.
IT WENT THROUGH THE CDB LAST MARCH TO GET A USE BY EXCEPTION TO SERVE ALCOHOL WITHIN 100FT OF RESIDENTIAL USE SINCE AGAIN, IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. THERE WAS A LOT OF, I THINK CONCERN AMONGST OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE WERE PERSONALLY IN SUPPORT OF HAVING AN UPSCALE COCKTAIL LOUNGE NEAR OUR HOME.
I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO THROW OUT SOME QUICK QUOTES FROM THE CDB PRESENTATION THAT THE BAR WAS REPRESENTED, THAT IT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE TO HAVE A RELAXING LOUNGE TO ENJOY A COCKTAIL, BEER OR WINE AND BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION WITH LIMITED NOISE.
NO PLANS FOR LIVE MUSIC, BUT WILL HAVE BACKGROUND MUSIC.
IT'S A SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, YOU KNOW, CROWD ALL STANDING IN THE BAR.
MULTIPLE BOUNCERS OUTSIDE CHECKING IDS, PEOPLE LINED UP DOWN THE BLOCK.
AND LIVE MUSIC, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, LIVE DJ'S THERE WHICH ISN'T ALLOWED BY THE CURRENT ZONING.
WE DON'T WANT TO IMPLY ANY MISREPRESENTATION OR ANYTHING THINGS EVOLVE.
THE GRAND HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS INTENTIONAL, BUT I THINK IF WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH CDB FOR THE VARIANCE THAT IF PEOPLE HAD KNOWN, IF IT WAS PRESENTED THAT THIS WOULD BE A NIGHTCLUB OPERATING UNTIL 2 A.M.
WITH LIVE DJ'S AND CROWDS AROUND THE BLOCK. IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO OUR MAIN ISSUE IS JUST THE MUSIC KEEPS US UP UNTIL 2 A.M.
MOST NIGHTS ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN WHICH IS WHEN THE BAR CLOSES.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE UNREASONABLE. SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN AGAIN.
WE LOVE THE ACTIVITY AND EXCITEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE JUST WANT THEM TO LOWER THE VOLUME.
WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNERS AND HAVEN'T REALLY MADE MUCH PROGRESS.
THEY'LL TELL YOU THE, THE WALLS OF THEIR BUILDING HAVE GREAT SOUNDPROOFING AND THAT'S TRUE.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE POLICE, WE CALL THEM MOST WEEKENDS THEY COME OUT BY THE END OF THE NIGHT, THEY CAN USUALLY GET IT TURNED DOWN THE NEXT NIGHT.
IT'S BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED. IT'S LOUD AGAIN.
THANK YOU ERIC AND CLAIRE. THANK YOU. SARAH VOOREN.
HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I JUST HAVE THREE COMMENTS.
AND I WOULD JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP IT AT FOUR YOU KNOW, OR STRIVE TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT IS THE FEW TIMES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE TWO WAY CONVERSATIONS WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND THEN THIRD FOR THE BUDGET I WAS READING RESEARCH COMPLETED BY RICK BIEDENWEG.
AND HE AND THIS IS KIND OF A STANDARD USED ACROSS THE BUILDING INDUSTRY.
SO AS WE MOVE INTO KIND OF THE FINAL ASPECTS OF BUDGETS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND AS A CITIZEN, YOU KNOW, WITH PROPOSED CUTS, WHAT ARE WE DEFERRING AND WHAT WILL THAT COST US IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CAN COST MORE COMPOUNDING DAMAGE, EMERGENCY PRICING, SHORTER LIFESPANS AND COMPOUND INFLATION.
SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE KIND OF ALL THE DATA IN FRONT.
THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU, MISS VOOREN. ELLEN GLASSER.
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'M ELLEN GLASSER. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.
SO I'M HERE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE IS TO I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
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I THINK IT WAS AT A TOWN HALL, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE COUNTY SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS THAT ARE AFFORDED TO HOMELESS PEOPLE IN JACKSONVILLE.BUT WHEN THEY GET TO THE CITY LIMITS AT THE BEACHES, THEY DON'T COME HERE.
SO THESE ARE PROBABLY NOT ON THE HOT TOP RADAR FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT NEGOTIATION.
THEY ARE PROBABLY A FUNDING AND A BUDGET ISSUE.
BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TONIGHT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO TO NEPTUNE BEACH NEXT WEEK AND JACKSONVILLE BEACH THAT SAME WEEK AND ASK IF YOU GUYS MIGHT CONSIDER A JOINT RESOLUTION TO ASK THAT COUNTY SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS NOT BE LIMITED TO JACKSONVILLE.
THAT INCLUDES THE JFRDS PATH PROGRAM PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO THE HOMELESS.
IT INCLUDES THE BLIGHT ABATEMENT PROGRAM. SO THEY WON'T DO IT IN OUR CITIES.
THEY'LL DO IT IN JACKSONVILLE AND ALSO TO SOME DEGREE, THE HOMEWARD BOUND PROGRAM.
JACKSONVILLE PIER IS JACKSONVILLE CITY PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF POKE JACKSONVILLE AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HELP US? THAT WAS A TRAGIC SITUATION. AND IT'S KIND OF A ONE OFF FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS AND HELPING THEM WITH COMPASSIONATE EFFORTS IN THE BEACHES HOMELESS COALITION. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER A JOINT RESOLUTION TO SEEK THOSE SERVICES, WHICH IS ONLY FAIR. THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS HAS GONE WELL, ACTUALLY, THE ACCURATE COUNTING OF OUR HOMELESS IS PROBABLY CORRECT, BUT THE NUMBERS WENT UP LAST YEAR IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT NEED SERVICES.
I WAS REALLY KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT, STAFF INPUT. YOU KNOW, HOW THE REALTOR WAS SELECTED, THE NEGOTIATION, ALL OF THAT.
I DID MY OWN SURVEY OF THE MARKET THAT'S IN OFF OF NORMANDY BOULEVARD.
I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MY EMAIL TO YOU, WHICH NO ONE RETURNED BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD.
I BROUGHT A COPY OF IT. AND THEN I ALSO BROUGHT PICTURES OF MY SURVEY, WHICH SHOWED THE VERY SPARSELY WHAT STOCKED, STOCKED SHELVES AT THE MARKET OFF OF NORMANDY BOULEVARD.
THIS IS A BAND AID, NOT A FIX. I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER COMMENTARY ON IT, BUT ALONG MAYPORT ROAD.
WE HAVE FIVE CONVENIENCE STORES. WE HAVE $2 STORES ALREADY.
WE HAVE THE COMMISSARY, WE HAVE THE BEAM FOOD PANTRY.
AND WE HAVE WALGREENS. I THINK THIS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN MORE CREATIVE WAYS WITH UNLEASED SPACE IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND WITH PARTNERSHIP WITH JACKSONVILLE.
SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS JACKSONVILLE RESIDENTS, NOT ATLANTIC BEACH RESIDENTS.
SO I BROUGHT THIS PICTURE TO SHOW YOU OF THE SHELVES.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER SOME OF WHAT I'VE MENTIONED AND ADD MY EMAIL TO THE RECORD.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.
IT'S A HARD JOB. I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. MAYOR GLASSER.
THANK YOU. BRINKLEY HAROLD. I DON'T HAVE THAT EMAIL.
I DON'T HAVE THAT EMAIL. I DIDN'T HAVE IT EITHER.
WE DIDN'T GET THAT EMAIL. WE HEARD THE CHASTISEMENT, SO WE GOT IT.
NO. WE'LL START YOU FRESH. YOU GET TWO MINUTES.
[LAUGHTER] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COMMISSIONERS STAFF.
SO I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE NEWS ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS.
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TRAFFIC ACCIDENT. BUT FLOCK CAMERAS, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN IN THE CITY.THERE'S A GROUNDSWELL OF OPPOSITION TO FLOCK CAMERAS.
THEY ACTUALLY CAUGHT SOMEBODY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
BUT IRONICALLY, ALL THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE LOOKING AT OTHERWISE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.
THEY TRACK US AS WE COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE NOT TRACKING STOLEN CARS LEAVING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE NOT TRACKING SOMEONE FROM A HOME INVASION ON BEACH AVENUE, THE OCEANFRONT OLD ATLANTIC BEACH, BECAUSE THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE POSITIONED ONLY TO CATCH PEOPLE COMING INTO ATLANTIC BEACH, NOT STOLEN CARS, PERHAPS LEAVING ATLANTIC BEACH. SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON FLOCK CAMERAS.
I HOPE NO ONE IS USING OTHER VALUES TO MAKE A COMPARISON WITH JACKS BEACH UNLESS PERHAPS THE CITY MANAGER IS NOW USING THE TERM MEDIAN TAX ASSESSED VALUES. BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES IS ALTHOUGH THE PRO WORD HAS ALWAYS BEEN WE HAVE A LOWER MILLAGE RATE.
THAT IS TRUE. WE HAVE A A GREATLY HIGHER MEDIAN TAX ASSESSED VALUE.
SO EVEN AT OUR LOWER MILLAGE RATE, WE ARE PAYING MORE IN TAXES THAN ANYONE IN JACKS BEACH.
AND I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT THAT. REFERENDUM THAT'S COMING BEFORE THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE REALIZES, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING BAD ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH RENTAL PROPERTIES.
AND UNDER THE CURRENT SAVE OUR HOMES EXEMPTION, RENTAL PROPERTIES CAN INCREASE 10% A YEAR.
WELL, GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING UNDER THE REFERENDUM. THAT NUMBER DROPS TO ONLY 5%.
SO IF YOU OWN A RENTAL PROPERTY OR IF YOU LIVE IN A RENTAL PROPERTY THE CAP ON TAXATION ON THAT RENTAL PROPERTY WILL BE AT A LOWER CAP. IT'LL BE DROPPING FROM 10% TO ONLY 5%.
SO ANOTHER GOOD THING TO SUPPORT THE REFERENDUM OR AMENDMENT THREE.
AND THE LAST THING AT THE CORNER OF ROYAL PALM DRIVE AND PLAZA YEARS AGO THAT WAS A THREE WAY STOP SIGN, AND THE REASON THAT THERE'S SO MUCH FAST TRAFFIC ON ROYAL PALM IS BECAUSE CARS COMING OFF OF PLAZA HEADING SOUTH DON'T HAVE TO STOP AT THE INTERSECTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HAROLD. PENNY.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD BE COACH PENNY.
IT'S PENNY ROSS. AND GOOD DAY, COMMISSIONERS AND MR. MAYOR. KEVIN, TO START OFF WITH, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO TAKE MY REMARKS AS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DEROGATORY TOWARDS YOU.
I THINK YOU WERE THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB, AND I'M GLAD YOU GOT IT.
BUT I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A HEART FAILURE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CITY WEBSITE, AND THE REASON WHY I ASSUMED WE WERE GIVING YOU SUCH A LARGE SALARY. AND NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT WORTH IT, WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING TO BE THE ASSISTANT MANAGER AND YOU WERE GOING TO BE THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. WELL, NOW I SEE $110,000 PLUS FOR A NEW ASSISTANT MANAGER AND $60,000 PLUS FOR A NEW COMMISSION GOT A NEW PERSON TO COME AND BE OUR COMMENTATOR.
WELL, I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO JUST THINK ABOUT THOSE EXCESS PEOPLE, GIVEN THAT WE ARE GOING INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE MAY OR MAY NOT PASS THIS REFERENDUM. I PERSONALLY THINK WE ARE GOING TO AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ACCORDING TO YOUR ESTIMATES, ABOUT $1 MILLION. SO AGAIN, KEVIN, THIS IS NOT DISPARAGING TO YOU AT ALL.
JUST HAD A LITTLE BIT OF HEART FAILURE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE.
THANKS. THANK YOU, COACH PENNY. MITCH REEVES.
SORRY I DIDN'T BRING ANY NOTES AGAIN TONIGHT.
NUMBER ONE, I JUST WANT TO THE MOST IMPORTANT TONIGHT, EACH OF YOU COMMISSIONERS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET, PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT NOT DECREASING THE MILLAGE RATE, BUT LEAVING IT THE SAME, BUT ALSO REDUCING THE BUDGET BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT HALF A MILLION CAN BE PUT IN A HOLDING AND BE HELD IN CASE WE NEED IT.
THE PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING AND THE LAST SURVEY I SAW WAS AROUND 67, 68% SUPPORTED.
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YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE THAT SAME 500. BUT I SAY THAT YOU SHOULD VOTE TO TAKE THAT MONEY $500,000 REDUCING THE BUDGET AND SPOT IT ON ONLY TO BE USED TO PAY DOWN DEBT. YOU CAN'T USE IT TO GROW GOVERNMENT.THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, REAL QUICK, THE THE MARKET OVER HERE, I VISITED BOTH MARKETS.
CAN WE RUN A MARKET AT MAYPORT ONCE A MONTH? I THOUGHT IT WOULD HURT BOTH OF THEM ARE JUST CROWDED AS EVER, SO IT DIDN'T HURT EACH OTHER. THE BAD NEWS IS I'M STILL UPSET THAT WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON PLAZA.
I ASK YOU, EVERY COMMISSION MEETING, GO DOWN PLAZA, WALK DOWN PLAZA.
YOU'RE RIGHT HERE TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF AND HIS DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOODS WALK DOWN THERE AND SEE HOW MUCH HIGHER THE PAVEMENT IS TO THE STREET AND WE CONTINUE TO LET PEOPLE KILL THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED TEN YEARS AGO.
WE'RE THE WORST ENEMY TO OUR OWN TREES, AND WE'RE THE CITY.
AND THAT'S A SIMPLE FIX THAT WE CAN FIX. FIX IT, PUT MULCH IN THERE, OR GRAVEL.
SIMPLE SORRY, BUT LET'S DO SOMETHING. IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MAYPORT WATERFRONT PARTNERSHIP, AND WE'RE VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY IN MAYPORT AND MAYPORT OUT THERE IS NOT JUST THAT AREA, BUT ACROSS WONDERWOOD AND THOSE AREAS. WE INVITED THE DG TO COME GIVE OUR PRESENTATION LIKE HE GAVE YOU THERE.
IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED BY THE RESIDENTS OF THE VILLAGE PEOPLE WE INVITED, WE ADVERTISED IT.
PEOPLE CAME AND WE WERE SHOCKED HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE.
WE SUPPORTED IT 100%. WE SUPPORT IT NOW BECAUSE SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
THOSE PEOPLE NEED SOME TYPE OF HELP AND ANYTHING THEY OFFER IN THIS THE DG STORE IS A PLUS.
AND I WASN'T EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT SUBJECT TONIGHT.
BUT WE NEED SOMETHING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE SUPPORT IT AND WE SUPPORT IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED FOR YEARS TO GET THAT DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR REEVES.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. NO. OKAY, THEN I'LL CLOSE COURTESY OF THE FLOOR.
AND AGAIN TO SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE TO ERIC AND CLAIRE YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY AND ENJOY.
WE HAVE A VERY FESTIVE AGENDA AHEAD, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STAY THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
ALTHOUGH I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN YOU AT THIS MEETING, FEEL FREE TO JOIN US ON ZOOM ON WHAT DO WE CALL THAT? YEAH, WHEN WE BROADCAST BECAUSE WE'RE, LIVE ON THESE MEETINGS.
SO YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST SIGN IN AND ENJOY IT AT HOME.
SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. DONNA, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
DONNA, I DID A LITTLE DISCOVERY THIS PAST WEEK, SO DONNA'S BEEN HERE 35 YEARS.
OKAY. AND SO I DO A LITTLE DISCOVERY, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO CALL YOU OUT ON THIS.
BUT DONNA I'M JUST SO WOWED THAT YOU HAVE SPENT 35 DEDICATED YEARS WITH THIS CITY AND IT SHOWS.
AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR DEDICATION.
AND I'D LIKE IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME AT THE PODIUM.
CONGRATULATIONS TO DONNA BARTLE FOR 35 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY.
[APPLAUSE] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.
[3. CITY MANAGER REPORTS ]
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MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD, CITY COMMISSION TO THE COMMUNITY.COMMISSIONERS ANY CHANGES? CORRECTIONS? HEARING NO CHANGES.
YOU'VE GOT A CALENDAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, BEFORE I GO OVER THE REPORT THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AT THE FRONT DOOR, A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. WE INDEED ARE IN DIALOG WITH THE GRAND ABOUT CONCERNS THAT NEIGHBORS HAVE RAISED.
THAT'S COME UP BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING OR SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE WE NOT HAVE A SUMMER MEETING.
AND WHAT I'LL BRING TO YOU IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION ADDRESSING THAT.
AND THE SECOND MEETING IN A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY WILL BE TO SUGGEST WE CONTINUE WITH FOUR TOWN HALLS, JUST THAT WE NOT DO IT DURING THE THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER.
BUT YOU'LL, OF COURSE, LAND WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE TO.
THERE. YES. YES. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEONE 19TH AUGUST. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP.
THE BUDGET MEETINGS AT WHICH YOU ALL WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE THE BUDGET FORWARD.
AND WE'LL HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE SEPTEMBER 14TH AND SEPTEMBER 28TH.
AND MAYBE YOU SAW THAT AND THERE'S A TYPO SOMEWHERE.
SO IF YOU SEE THAT AGAIN, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
OKAY. OKAY. GOTCHA. REGARDING THE AGENDA, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WERE SOME QUESTIONS WERE ASKED TODAY. ONE INVOLVES OUR BEACH CLEANUP CONTRACT.
AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED LET'S SEE IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME.
DEBRIS THAT IS COLLECTED IS PUT IN THE DUMPSTERS AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD.
AND ON THE SECOND TOPIC, THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE WERE ASKED OF OTHER EXAMPLES FOR WHICH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DRONE MAY BE ABLE TO BE USED.
THIS INCLUDES, BUT ISN'T LIMITED TO SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS NATURAL DISASTER AND DAMAGE ASSESSMENT, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND FIRE SCENE EVALUATION.
THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER POTENTIAL USES IN ADDITION TO CRIMINAL RELATED ACTIVITY.
CITY MANAGER. YES. I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BEACH CLEANUP AND WANTED TO PULL THAT OFF THE AGENDA.
OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. MOVING ON WITH MY REPORT. I'LL START IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME JUST A MOMENT AND NOTE ONCE AGAIN THAT THESE REPORTS ARE PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE. THERE ARE SOME LINKS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN GLEAN MORE INFORMATION FROM THAT.
YOU CAN'T OBVIOUSLY FROM THE HARD COPY STARTING WITH THE BUDGET PLANNING UPDATE, THE BUDGET LANDING PAGE AT COAB.US/BUDGET NOW HAS THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION INCLUDES, AMONG OTHER INFORMATION, A BUDGET PLANNING UPDATE DATED TODAY, OUR DRAFT TEN YEAR PUBLIC UTILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
SO WE PUBLISHED THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ACCESS READILY.
OTHERWISE FROM A HIGH LEVEL AND AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN MY MANAGER'S REPORT, TIDE VIEWS PRESERVATION, PEER REPAIR. THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS EXCEED $100,000.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FORMAL REPAIR PROPOSAL ON YOUR AGENDA AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.
AND IN THE CATEGORY OF SEMINOLE ROAD TREE PROTECTION, STAFF INDEED IS UNDERTAKING A PROJECT TO ADDRESS VEHICLE PARKING BENEATH THE MATURE OAKS ALONG SEMINOLE, ADJACENT TO JACK RUSSELL PARK.
I'VE INFORMED THE COMMISSION OF THIS ACTIVITY.
NOW, I'M INFORMING THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH DOING SOMETHING AND RESOLVING THAT ISSUE OF PUBLIC PARKING BENEATH THE OAKS. WOW. OKAY. ON SEMINOLE ROAD.
OTHERWISE, ROADWAY MILLING AND PAVING BEGAN LAST WEEK.
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IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AT A SEPTEMBER MEETING.AND THE RFP ISSUANCE FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES IS AWAITING THE FINAL HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT CONTRACT FROM THE FLORIDA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
WE ARE TARGETING THIS PROJECT LAUNCH BY YEAR END.
I'M DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO. YOU FINISHED BUDGET PLANNING? YEAH. OKAY. SO. OKAY. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
[4. REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS FROM CITY COMMISSIONERS ]
LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.I'M GOING TO PASS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRANT.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE A BOARD COMMENT. HOW LONG DO WE OWN THE PROPERTY IN NEXT TO THE BUCCANEER PLANT? AT THIS 1.25 ACRES. I SEE THAT. I THINK SINCE THE LATE 70S.
I'M NOT SURE ON THAT DATE. NO. BEING CORRECTED BY SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THANKS. I'LL GET YOU THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
LONG TIME. YES, A LONG, LONG TIME. IS IT SAFE TO SAY THE FORMER MAYOR HAD HOW LONG WAS SHE IN OFFICE? FIVE.
OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S YOUR SIGN. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE SO I DIDN'T HAVE MY THING ON, BUT I THINK THIS IDEA OF PUTTING THE DG MARKET THERE AND MAYBE THE FORMER MAYOR CAUGHT THEM ON A BAD DAY WITH STOCK OR MAYBE IN BETWEEN STOCK OR RIGHT BEFORE THEY CLOSED. WHO KNOWS? BUT TAKING CARE OF THAT FOOD DESERT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING.
I ALSO CAME IN CONTACT WITH A COUPLE RESIDENTS OF MAYPORT, AND THEY THINK IT'S AN AWESOME IDEA.
I DO KNOW THERE'S OTHER STORES, OTHER DG MARKET STORES TO, TO LOOK AT AND, AND THEY ARE MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
SO, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS GOT ANY BETTER IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO PUT A FOOD MARKET THERE HEY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TO SHARE WITH US INSTEAD OF TAKING CHEAP SHOTS.
BRING A SOLUTION. SO IN ANY CASE, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE OBTUSE, I THINK, TO CRITICIZE THE EFFORT DOWN THERE TO DO SOMETHING WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE REALLY DO NOTHING ELSE MUCH WITH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRANT.
COMMISSIONER KELLY. I KNOW ARCC IS MEETING ON THURSDAY TO GO OVER THE GRANTS FOR OUR GRANT SYSTEM, SO I WISH THEM THE BEST OF LUCK. IT'S A LONG DAY.
IT'S AN ARDUOUS PROCESS. AND I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE SCORING SYSTEM THAT THEY USE AND THE MONITORING SYSTEM WILL ENSURE THE BEST USE OF OUR MONEY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RING.
YES, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BUDGET. I WANT TO START WITH FABE.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER GIVING THEM THE FULL ASK AMOUNT.
IT'S $10,000 THIS YEAR. BECAUSE I DON'T. IT'S TEN THAT'S RIGHT.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE ANOTHER PLUG TO THEM THEN.
I ALSO WANT TO JUST DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT HAS JUST REALLY GOTTEN MY GOAT SINCE LAST WEDNESDAY.
WE ARE, WE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO GROW GOVERNMENT ON THE HORIZON OF AMENDMENT THREE.
AND BY THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I THOUGHT THE CONSENSUS HERE WAS THAT WE WEREN'T FOR ADDING A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST AND AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHICH WAS INITIALLY NAMED CITY STAFF OR A CHIEF OF STAFF. RIGHT. SEEING THAT THE JOB HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED AND BEEN INTERVIEWED FOR JUST GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I BELIEVE I'VE, I'VE SAID DURING THE BUDGET SESSION THIS PAST ONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE LOOKING AT PAYING EACH OF THOSE THAT WASN'T BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BODY.
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I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN COMMISSIONED BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY TO HOLD EVERY DOLLAR ACCOUNTABLE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST I AM SAYING THAT.SO I DON'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT MYSELF. SO WHEN I SAY THAT ATLANTIC BEACH IS ASKING FOR $10,000 INSTEAD OF $7500, AND YET WE ARE ADDING TWO WHOLE POSITIONS FOR HOW MUCH MORE MONEY? AND THEN WE HAVE TIED VIEWS, WHICH HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR MONTHS AND GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH LONGER, AND IT'S GOING TO COST $100,000 TO OPEN THAT.
AND YET WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS BEING ADDED TO OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
IT REALLY BOTHERS ME IF YOU CAN'T HEAR IT IN MY VOICE.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE AN ITEMIZED BUDGET LIST BROKEN DOWN WHERE ALL THE MONEY'S GOING? WHAT IS THE CAPITAL PROJECTS? JUST LIKE WE'VE HAD IN PAST.
THIS HELPS ME DIGEST WHAT'S COMING BEFORE US IN SEPTEMBER.
THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATES ON THE BUDGET LANDING PAGE.
SOME OF THE LINKS AREN'T OPENING FOR ME. IT COULD BE MY WI-FI AT HOME AND HERE AT THE CITY, BUT I AM HAVING ISSUES, PARTICULARLY WITH THE SALARY ONE THAT I KNOW WE HAVE ALL ASKED.
I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SELVA PRESERVE, WHICH DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUDGET AS WELL.
SELVA PRESERVE WE OWE I BELIEVE IT WAS 900 THOUSAND.
THE SALE OF THE LOT THAT IS SITTING THERE AT 1.2 MILLION IN CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.
THE PEOPLE OVER THERE, NORTH BEACH ARE PEOPLE TOO, AND ABSOLUTELY WOULD UTILIZE A GROCERY STORE.
IF WE SAY NO TO THE DG MARKET, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT TRADER JOE'S IS GOING TO PICK IT UP, OR ALDI'S IS GOING TO PICK IT UP, OR WINN-DIXIE IS GOING TO PICK IT UP, OR BB PUBLIX THAT WENT NEXT DOOR TO THE PUBLIX ON ATLANTIC BEACH IS GOING TO PICK IT UP. I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE NOT SUPPORT A GROCERY STORE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS AS A NEGATIVE THING.
IT MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME. BUT LET ME GO BACK TO THE THE CONCLUSION I WANT TO DRAW HERE, WHICH IS THAT IF WE SELL THAT LOT, WE COULD PAY OFF THE DEBT TO SELVA PRESERVE WHICH WAS PURCHASED BEFORE I WAS ON THE COMMISSION.
IT IS A WIN WIN. IT IS A WIN WIN. I DO NOT SEE THE LOSE THERE, I JUST DON'T.
SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT AND I'LL BE DONE. I THINK I SAID ENOUGH TODAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. OKAY. I DON'T USUALLY COMMENT ON THINGS FROM COURTESY OF THE FLOOR, BUT TWO OF THEM ARE TOPICAL ON REPORTING. SO I'M GOING TO DO THAT IN MY SESSION.
SO STARTING WITH THE FIVE WAY STOP. MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I SIT ON THE THE BOARD FOR THE TPO.
AND SO I WAS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, PART OF THAT DECISIONING TO ACTUALLY ALLOCATE THE FUNDS.
WE RECEIVED 600 AND I WANT TO SAY $630,000 ON THE FIRST PASS, WHICH WAS FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO WHOEVER ASKED THAT QUESTION, IF YOU'RE IN THE ROOM, WE'RE IN DESIGN PHASE. WE ACTUALLY DID TWO MONTHS AGO GET FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO FUND THIS PROJECT FOR AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION, AND THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE BACK HALF OF 2027.
SO I'LL CERTAINLY UPDATE FROM MY CHAIR AS I HEAR MORE.
AND MR. HOGENCAMP, IF YOU'RE IN TOUCH WITH THEM VIA YOUR OFFICE, LET'S UPDATE EVERYBODY ON IT.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT CAN GET IN THE WAY.
SO THIS ISN'T A DONE DEAL UNTIL WE COMPLETE THE STUDY AND THE DESIGN AND SO ON.
BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I HOPE SO.
FIRST OF ALL, IT DOES CONCERN ME IF IF THERE'S A DG MARKET THAT'S NOT FULFILLING ITS OWN MISSION.
SO I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT. THAT'S OKAY. BUT MY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE IS THAT MY OWN FOOTWORK, AND I'VE BEEN TO THE NEW DG MARKET THAT WAS OPENED IN EAST PALATKA TWICE NOW. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
AND IT'S A CLEAN, VIBRANT GROCERY. AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT KEEPS GETTING LOST ON PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE. THIS IS A BRAND OWNED BY DOLLAR GENERAL, BUT IT IS A DG MARKET.
AND I CALL IT THE DG MARKET GROCERY. BUT IT JUST HAPPENED TO TODAY.
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I WAS WATCHING CNBC ON THE AFTERNOON PROGRAM AND THEY HAD A GREAT PIECE ON THE DG MARKET.AND THEY STARTED BY TALKING ABOUT HOW IN NEW YORK, THEY'RE SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BRING AFFORDABLE GROCERIES TO THE CITIZENS OF NEW YORK CITY. AND YET THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, DG MARKET IS ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF THE SAME MEANING THEY'RE BRINGING IN GROCERIES QUALITY GROCERIES TO AREAS THAT ARE DEFICIENT FOOD DESERTS AND SO ON.
SO I DON'T EVER WANT TO MISLEAD PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT A FULL SIZE GROCER LIKE WE'RE ALL USED TO, BUT THIS IS BETTER THAN THE ZERO THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND I SO APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. SO I DO HOPE WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF IT.
BUT AS FAR AS SELECTION OF A REALTOR, THIS WASN'T AN OUTREACH BY THE CITY.
THIS WAS AN ENGAGEMENT BY THE CITY MAYOR, THAT'S ME AND I SPOKE TO DEVELOPERS, I SPOKE TO REALTORS, I SPOKE TO BUILDERS, I SPOKE TO EVERY, I HAD CAYENNE, MICHAEL AND CLAY YARBOROUGH.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO EVERYBODY I COULD SPEAK TO ABOUT THE FOOD DESERT OVER THE PAST ALMOST THREE YEARS.
AND THIS REALTOR HAD A CLIENT, WHICH IS DG MARKET, AND BROUGHT THAT CLIENT TO THE CITY SAYING, WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT BUYING THAT SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN ON MAYPORT ROAD.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR EACH OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ON THAT TODAY.
[6. CONSENT AGENDA ]
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. DONNA, CAN YOU KEEP ME CLEAN ON THIS? WE WANT TO REMOVE BEACH CLEANUP. AND WHAT WAS IT LANDSCAPING, 6B AND C? ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE REMAINDER OF THREE.AND THAT WOULD BE ALL, FIRST OF ALL, ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS. ITEM 6A APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-100. 6D APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-104 AND 6E APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-107. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
6A 6D AND 6E. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO 6B.
[6.B. Approve Resolution No. 26-102. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AWARDING BID 2526-14 MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT FOR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
LET ME CATCH UP HERE. DO YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU? CAN I BORROW THAT? ARE YOU READY ON THE NEXT ONE? OKAY. ITEM 6B YEAH. 6B, RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-102.SUMMARY. WAIT A SECOND. WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS? WELL, I JUST SAY APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 26.
THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-102 AND AWARD BID NUMBER 2526-14 MULTI YEAR CONTRACT FOR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE TO LAWN CRAFTERS LLC FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONTRACT IS TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPING SERVICES FOR CITY STREETS, CITY PARKS, COMMON AREAS AND PUBLIC UTILITIES AREAS. THE BIDS RANGE FROM $184,800 TO $321,300 ANNUALLY. AND WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE LOW BID IN THIS CASE.
AND WE'LL HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDS BUDGETED UPON APPROVAL OF THE OF THE FY 27 BUDGET.
MOTION. OH. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 26-102 6B.
AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAD IS DO WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS WORKERS WHO DO OUR MAINTENANCE.
SO OF LANDSCAPE AND DO WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR?
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IS THIS NEW? AND, IF SO, WHY DO WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR? WHY DON'T WE UTILIZE OUR WORKERS? THIS IS NOT NEW.THIS IS THE WAY WE'VE HAD THIS LANDSCAPING WORK DONE HISTORICALLY.
IF WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE EFFICIENCIES IN BRINGING NEW EMPLOYEES TO THE WORKFORCE TO PERFORM THESE SERVICES, WE WOULD THAT OUR CURRENT WORKFORCE AND THEIR WORK SCHEDULES DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DO ALL OF THIS WORK AS WELL. AND IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, I'D BE GLAD TO DO A COST ANALYSIS WHERE WE LOOK AT CONTRACTING OUT VERSUS HAVING THIS WORK DONE IN-HOUSE. SO EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE A NEW A NEW CONTRACT WITH A NEW COMPANY, AND WE PAY THIS AMOUNT OR CLOSE TO THIS AMOUNT WE HAVE FOR TEN, 15, 20 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN IN EFFECT.
I KNOW THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS.
THIS IS THE WAY WE'VE HAD THIS, THESE LANDSCAPING SERVICES.
DO WE HAVE LAST THE LAST BID OF WHAT THE COST WAS.
ARE YOU WONDERING WHAT WE BUDGETED THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR FOR THESE SERVICES? I DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY. PERHAPS I'LL HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE MEETING.
IF NOT, I'LL GET IT FOR YOU. SO MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT COST CUTS AND IN HOUSE WORKERS, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN HOUSE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
BUT IF YOU'RE MORE SPECIFIC, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PICTURES OR YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND OF WHAT THIS PARTICULAR LANDSCAPING COMPANY DOES AS FAR AS PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR.
THAT ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO DO. COMMISSIONER.
IS THIS NOT FOR ATLANTIC BOULEVARD FOR THE MEDIANS.
THIS IS MORE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT CONTRACT.
OKAY. WHICH IS FDOT REIMBURSED. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT JUST WAS. THE OTHER ONE IS. FDOT DOESN'T EVEN PAY US THAT MUCH MONEY TO MAINTAIN MAYPORT IN ATLANTIC, BUT I'M SURE THIS SPANS MORE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE WE SPENDING $184,000 EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? IT'S IT'S AGAIN, FOR UPKEEP AT ALL OF OUR 19 PARKS RIGHT AWAY, OUR PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY WHERE OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? I SEE OUR OWN WORKERS OUT THERE MOWING THE GRASS.
DO I NOT? YOU DO NOT CUSTOMARILY. THIS SUPPLEMENTS WHAT OUR STAFF DOES.
OKAY. SO I HEAR AN OFFER TO PRODUCE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND A COST COMPARISON.
THAT'S GOOD. BUT UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS TODAY, IT'S KIND OF MOOT AFTER WE'VE APPROVED IT.
SO IS THIS A REQUEST TO CONSIDER TABLING THIS AND IF NOT.
THERE'S A MOTION ON IT. YEAH, WELL I KNOW, BUT THERE COULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION.
I MOVE TO AMEND THIS. I THINK RESOLUTION CAN I DO THAT SINCE I SECONDED.
YEAH. YOU SECONDED. DO WE. YEAH. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. SO I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND AMEND AT THIS POINT.
I MOVE THAT WE AMEND THIS TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL WE RECEIVE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION DOES PROVIDE OUR CITY. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. I'LL SECOND.
THERE'S A SECOND. OKAY. NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT OR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
DISCUSSION. YES, KEVIN, WHEN WE'RE DONE, WHEN WE SEE THAT INFORMATION NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT. IS THERE A DEADLINE TO GET THIS WORK DONE? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND AND GIVE YOU A FULL STORY THIS WEEK ABOUT.
OKAY. ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT.
OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE FULL COST ANALYSIS, THOUGH, OF CONTRACTING THIS WORK OUT VERSUS BRINGING THE SERVICES IN-HOUSE, THAT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE LONGER. YEAH.
YEAH. OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. AGAIN, WE'RE VOTING ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. NAY.
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SO FOUR AYES AND ONE NAY. SO WE HAVE TABLED. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR.SO WE'RE TABLING THIS. WE'RE CONTINUING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
YES. SO WILL YOU HAVE INFORMATION SUFFICIENT.
YEAH. OKAY. TECHNICALLY WE'RE DEFERRING INSTEAD OF TABLING BECAUSE TABLING DOESN'T HAVE A DATE.
RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE WANT TO CHANGE. IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT WE'RE DEFERRING IT? COULD YOU GET IT BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING? YES.
I'LL GIVE YOU, THERE'S TWO PARTS, I THINK. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
ONE IS GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THIS IS PAYING FOR.
AND YES, CERTAINLY EASILY THIS WEEK. THE OTHER IS A FULL COST ANALYSIS OF THESE SERVICES BEING PERFORMED BY CONTRACTOR VERSUS OUR EMPLOYEES. PERHAPS I COULD HAVE THAT BY NEXT MEETING.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD, HOW MUCH HAS THIS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS? SURE. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY FIVE YEARS, ANOTHER IF NEXT TIME WE SIT DOWN, IT'S $250,000.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, DO WE NOT SAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS MONEY? YEAH. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE MOTION ACTUALLY WAS INTENDED TO BE A DEFERRAL AND WE VOTED ON THAT ARE WE ACCEPTABLE.
YES. TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND DON'T WE HAVE NOW THREE MEETINGS OR THREE WEEKS BETWEEN MEETINGS.
YES. SO WE GOT AN EXTRA WEEK FOR MORE INFORMATION.
OKAY, SO NOW LET'S MOVE. WHAT'S MY NEXT? WHAT HAPPENS?
[6.C. Approve Resolution No. 26-103. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AWARDING BID NO. 2526-15 SERVICES; CLEANING CONTRACT FOR MULTI-YEAR BEACH AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND PURCHASE ORDERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND AS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. IT'S BEEN DEFERRED.YEAH, IT WAS A LITTLE MESSY. WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT'S BEEN DEFERRED TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY, I NEED THE NEXT MISSING. WHAT NUMBER WAS IT? THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, THIS IS. 6103. RIGHT. THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
NO, THAT'S 260 YEAH. 26-103 SORRY. RESOLUTION TO AWARD BID NUMBER 2526-15 A MULTI YEAR CONTRACT FOR BEACH CLEANUP OR CLEANING SERVICES. MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU.
THIS IS OUR AGREEMENT WITH BEACHCOMBERS, WHICH AS I STATED EARLIER PERFORMS OUR BEACH CLEANING SERVICES FIVE DAYS A WEEK FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE YEAR AND FOUR DAYS A WEEK FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, WE RECEIVED FOUR BIDS.
THEY RANGED FROM, REMARKABLY, $44,540 TO $610,000.
WE WENT WITH THE LOW BID WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE SAME VENDOR THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH.
AND I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE CURRENT RATE.
SO WE ARE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR PAYING $45,000 MORE OR LESS FOR THIS SERVICE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO A FEW THINGS.
AND IT HAD VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS AS THE LAST ONE, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS AND WE HAVE OUR OWN WORKERS WHO DO THIS $44,000 IS A LITTLE EASIER PILL TO SWALLOW THAN 1$84,000 A YEAR FOR BEACH CLEANUP.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO ASK ABOUT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
HERE IS A GOOD PLUG FOR COJ WHO SHOULD BE HELPING PAY FOR OUR BEACH CLEANUP AND OUR PARK CLEANUP.
ALL OF THE PARKS AND THE BEACHES IN PARTICULAR ARE COUNTY.
SO WHY AREN'T WHY ISN'T COJ LOOKING AT GIVING US SOME DOLLARS HERE? I'LL TAKE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR MAYOR FORD AND MR. GABRIEL AND I TO, TO DISCUSS THIS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH COJ, AS DOES THAT SUFFICE? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK. DON'T WE GET DON'T THEY HELP US SUBSIDIZE THE LIFEGUARD? YEAH. THEY DO. OKAY, SO IT SEEMED LIKE THIS WOULD BE KIND OF GOING HAND IN HAND.
YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE US MONEY TO PATROL THE BEACHES AND.
DO THEY. A LIFEGUARD PATROL. I THINK YOU SAY.
DO WE? AND IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO FIND OUT IF THE OTHER CITIES ARE GETTING ANYTHING TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR BEACHES. AND THE OTHER PLUG I HAD IS NOW THAT OCEAN ONE OR NOW IT'S CALLED DUNE HOUSE UTILIZES THAT PORTION IN FRONT OF THE BEACH FOR THEIR SETUP CHAIRS.
COULD WE NOT ALSO, OR ARE THEY, WE HAVE JUST GRANTED THEM ACCESS TO OUR CITY STREETS TO DO SO.
OR, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY PAYING INTO THE BEACH CLEANUP AT ALL?
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NO. OKAY. NO, WHAT YOU APPROVED WAS VEHICLE ACCESS.BUT I WON'T, I WON'T MOVE TO DEFER OR TABLE THIS ONE.
OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 6C RESOLUTION 26-103.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.
HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU EVERYONE. LET'S GO TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE SEMIANNUAL REPORT.
[7.A. Environmental Stewardship Committee Semiannual Tree Report]
BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR THIS. I DON'T REALLY KIND OF PUT US ON REPORT.PLEASE TRY TO RESTRAIN YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND EXCITEMENT.
I AM BRUCE ANDREWS. THIS IS BONGIORNO. BRUCE ANDREWS, 328 11TH STREET, CHAIR OF THE TREE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.
DONNA, IF YOU COULD PULL UP OUR SLIDES. COME ON YOU GOT 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING IT.
LEAVE DONNA ALONE. YOU CAN DO IT. I KNOW MINE WAS JUST HERE AS WELL, AND IT'S GONE, TOO.
IT'S STILL THERE. IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T SEE THE PICTURE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO OUR PLAN IS TO SPEND ABOUT TEN MINUTES PRESENTING SOME KEY INFORMATION FROM OUR WRITTEN REPORT WHICH IS THE WORK OF THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, THE WHOLE ESC.
SHOUT OUT TO SARAH BOREN WHO DID A LOT OF IT.
AND THEN DAN AND I, DAN THEN DID THE NEXT MOST.
AND THEN I KIND OF CAME IN AS THE CHAIR AND TWEAKED IT A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ABOUT TEN MINUTES ON THAT AND THEN HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME TIME FOR Q AND A.
VERY GOOD. ACTUALLY RATHER SPEND MORE TIME DOING THAT THAN PRESENTING.
BUT YOU ALL DO HAVE THE FULL 35 PAGE REPORT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE REPORT IS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE EITHER LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE WITH CITY MANAGER KILLINGSWORTH.
SO THERE IS THIS SEMIANNUAL REPORT THAT WE. ARE YOU STILL WORKING ON IT? YEAH. OKAY. YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S OVER HERE. IT'S NOT OPEN.
IT IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET STARTING ON PAGE 83.
SO WE'VE GOT A SLOT. THE FIRST FEW SLIDES WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GO OVER.
AND THEN ANOTHER SLIDE THAT HAS SUGGESTED NEXT STEPS.
I KIND OF JUST TALKED ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE REPORT, BUT THAT'S DETAILED IN THE REPORT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FELT IN THIS CITY STAFF FELT AND YOU GUYS FELT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE REPORT A COUPLE TIMES OF YEAR ON HOW THE CITY IS DOING IN TERMS OF ENFORCING THE, ORDINANCE ANY ISSUES THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY AND ANYTHING GOING ON WITH THE PROTECTION ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THEN WE'VE GOT SOME PAGES THAT HAVE THE DETAILS OF ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. WE'VE GOT SOME SLIDES THAT TALK ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS ADMINISTERING THE ORDINANCE. LOTS OF SLIDES ON DATA AND GRAPHS ON HOW WE'RE LOSING CANOPY AND THEN SOME SUPPLEMENTARY SLIDES THAT YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT. SO. BLESS YOU. THE KEY DO YOU ALL HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE WRITTEN REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU, DO YOU? YES. THE PACKAGE. OH, YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR IPADS.
ALL KINDS OF THINGS. OKAY. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE THIRD SLIDE IN THE DECK, WHICH IS KEY TAKEAWAYS.
WHICH DAN IS GOING TO COVER. AND THEN I'M DOING THE NEXT ONE.
SO. YEAH, I'M DOING NEXT STEPS. SO VERY BRIEFLY, I THINK IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT
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AND IS CLEARLY MARKED IN THE THREE SLIDES, ESPECIALLY 20 THROUGH 22 THAT WE ARE LOSING CANOPY AT A RATE THAT IS. WE GOOD. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.IT'S OKAY. YOU COULD ARM WRESTLE FOR IT. SO THE POINT IS, CLEARLY WE'VE SEEN AND THE DATA IS VERY CLEAR ON THREE SLIDES.
IF YOU JUST WANT A QUICK VIEW OF IT, THE GRAPHS THAT SHOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE LOSING ABOUT 6 TO 1, WHAT WE'RE REPLACING. AND IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY, WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 19% CANOPY COVERAGE.
THE HIGHEST IS LESS THAN HALF. SO WE HAVE LOST PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CANOPY OVER THE LAST TEN, 15 YEARS, ESPECIALLY. AND THE GLOBAL. WE JUST WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH OR WHERE.
IN PART BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ANALYTIC TOOLS AND WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THOSE FOR SOME TIME.
BUT THE TAKEAWAYS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ARE IN THREE AREAS.
FIRST IS PROCESS. I THINK THE STAFFING WE HAVE IS SOLID.
WE'VE DEFINITELY IMPROVED IN RECENTLY. AND WE'VE I THINK WE'VE DONE HAD SOME GOOD HIRES.
THE PROCEDURES ARE CONTINUALLY IMPROVING. AND SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
THE FEES WE CHARGE ARE FRANKLY TOO LOW TO CHANGE ANY BEHAVIORS.
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THAT, THAT EVIDENCE IS QUITE CLEAR.
THE REPORTING THAT WE HAVE, THE INTERNAL REPORTING HAS IMPROVED.
AND SO THAT'S BETTER. STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO, I'D SAY.
AND SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THE INTERPRETATION WITHIN THE ESC.
ALL THE GRAPHS AND ALL THE VISUALS AND THE PIECES YOU SEE THE GEOPHYSICAL DATA ARE ALL DONE BY OUR, TEAM JOINTLY. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH I THINK IS IMPROVING QUITE A BIT WITH THE DEDICATED ARBORIST.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVES THAT HAVE OCCURRED.
OUR DATA. THE SECOND ASPECT THE LOST TREND IS, AS I SAID, WAS WORSENING AND UNSUSTAINABLE.
AND I THINK THE RECENT PASSAGE OF A RESOLUTION WAS A SIGN OF NOT JUST A GREAT TURNAROUND ON THIS TOPIC, BUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS NECESSARY. AND I WOULD RECOGNIZE THE COURAGEOUSNESS OF THE THE COMMISSION.
AND IN DOING SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT HAVE SEEMED OBVIOUS AT FIRST, BUT WELL DONE.
THE ECONOMICS, UNFORTUNATELY THEY STILL FAVOR REMOVAL, NOT PRESERVATION.
AND SO THE REST OF CHAPTER 23, WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO, AT THE, AT THE GREAT, THE GREAT IDEA THAT COMMISSIONER GRANT, I THINK, PUSHED QUITE A BIT ON US AND WE'VE ABSORBED IS THE IDEA OF HAVING INCENTIVES MORE AND MORE INCENTIVES.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN CHAPTER 23.
SO THAT PRESERVATION ACTUALLY OCCURS. AND WE JUST WE DON'T JUST OPERATE WITH STICKS, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE SOME SOME CARROTS IN PLACE AS WELL.
AND FINALLY, AS A CONCLUSION CLEARLY WE CAN'T REPLACE THE CANOPY LOSSES THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDES, IF YOU DID, YOU'LL SEE A HUGE TREE, THE TREE THAT WAS THE ANCIENT OAK THAT WAS FELLED AT 445 WEST FIRST STREET. IT CAUSED A LOT OF COMMUNITY UPSET.
I HOPE YOU GET THIS PIECE OF DATA, AND I HOPE WE'RE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS ONE.
IN 2025 LAST YEAR, WE LOST THE EQUIVALENT OF 73 OF THOSE OAKS.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S IT'S NOT 1 OR 2 HERE OR THERE.
WE'RE REALLY LOSING A HUGE AMOUNT. SO THANK YOU FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT TOPIC.
AND BACK TO BRUCE. THANK YOU, MR. GIOVANNUCCI.
AND LET ME KIND OF PUNCTUATE THIS FOR ANYBODY LISTENING ON THE REPLAY OR, OR LIVE IS WE HAVEN'T YET FELT THE IMPACT OF THAT RECENT LEGISLATION. SO I HEAR YOU THAT THERE'S A BELIEF THAT THE FEES AND THESE ARE THESE ARE MITIGATION FEES, THESE ARE NOT PENALTIES, THESE ARE MITIGATION FEES, HE'S.
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20 INCH D.B.H TREES IN THE SETBACKS. THAT'S REAR SETBACK, FRONT SETBACK AND SIDE SETBACKS.AND SO THAT AT THE VERY LEAST PUTS A LITTLE PAIN IN THE COST SIDE OF REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES.
SO I THINK THE JURY'S OUT ON THAT. I HOPE IT DOES IMPACT BEHAVIOR.
AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WE WILL HAVE MORE MONEY AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE RAISE IT FURTHER LATER, BUT THERE'S, SOME DOWNSIDE TO JUST RAISING INTO PERPETUITY, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO RIGHT NOW. BUT BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING MISSING BECAUSE I KNOW THIS REPORT WAS BUILT MONTHS AGO, AND AT THAT TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE LANDMARK TREE LEGISLATION, BUT BACK TO YOU.
AND I TOOK UP. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU BACK A MINUTE, MR. BRUCE. AT LEAST. DONNA. OH, OKAY. SO MOVING ALONG TO SLIDE THE FOURTH SLIDE IN THE DECK THAT SAYS NEXT STEPS.
Y'ALL WITH ME? BACK ONE FROM THAT. THERE WE GO.
BEFORE I GET INTO THIS ONE LET ME JUST SAY, LOOK, THE ESC IS A COMMITTEE OF THE COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE WE'RE SORT OF INITIALLY NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
YOU FIND US BY GOING THROUGH CITY HALL. AND THIS ISN'T A CRITICISM, KEVIN.
THIS IS MORE OF A METAPHOR, MAYBE, OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE, THE CITY COMMISSION AND THEN UNDER COMMISSION ARE COMMITTEES AND BOARDS AND THINGS AND WE'RE ABOUT AS US AND I GUESS THE RECREATION BOARD ARE BOTH VERY MUCH JUST EXTENSIONS OF THE COMMISSION.
YOU GUYS HAVE APPOINTED US TO HELP YOU, AS CITIZENS, ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION TO DELIVER AND BE ON TOP OF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP RELATED ISSUES.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK JUST ABOUT TREES, BUT THIS IS TOTALLY INTENDED TO BE COLLABORATIVE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE TRYING TO CRITICIZE ANYBODY. WE'RE JUST SAYING HERE IS WHERE WE ARE.
AND HERE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT YOU.
REALLY. SO ON THESE NEXT STEPS, REVERSE TREE LOSS.
SO LIKE THE MAYOR JUST SAID, THIS REPORT AND HE'S CORRECT WAS DONE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WERE DONE BACK IN WAS IT THE EARLY THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY OR THE LAST MEETING IN JUNE? I THOUGHT IT WAS FIRST MEETING IN JULY. YEAH, I THINK SO.
IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE OVER A MONTH. AND THOSE ARE DRAMATIC. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAME UP HERE AND SPOKE THAT NIGHT AND, SAID HOW I THOUGHT IT WAS DRAMATIC AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT ALL UNFOLDS.
BUT IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE REVERSE THE TREE LOSS? WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING BETTER THAN WHAT YOU ALL DID THAT NIGHT.
AND PASSING THAT ORDINANCE TO HELP ACCOMPLISH THAT STRICT ENFORCEMENT AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL GOOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT TELLS SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT GIANT OAK IN THE BACK CORNER OF YOUR LOT, THAT'S 30IN, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE LEAVES FALLING IN YOUR POOL OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE NO REALLY, REALLY GOOD REASON ON WHY YOU CAN'T SAVE THAT TREE, THEN YOU MAY NOT REMOVE IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CITY STAFF CAN SAY YOU MAY NOT REMOVE IT.
YOU HAVEN'T DEMONSTRATED. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO, I THINK HELP US A LOT.
BUT THAT'LL HELP A LOT ON THAT POINT. NUMBER TWO.
FOSTER CONNECTED CANOPY CULTURE. IF YOU, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OFF TO THE LEFT THAT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF THOSE SPEAK TO HOW THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. NUMBER THREE, IMPROVE THE DATA COLLECTION AND MANAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, MANUAL FORMS BEING FILLED OUT FOR TREE APPLICATION PERMITS OR THEY DO IT ONLINE, BUT THE DATA IS NOT REALLY PUT IN AN ACCESSIBLE FORM WHERE IT CAN BE QUERIED AND REPORTED UPON.
AND I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY AMANDA'S GOAL TO HAVE THAT BE THE CASE AT SOME POINT.
AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HELP YOU GUYS ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE YOU COULD SAY, WELL, HOW MANY OAK TREES ARE BETWEEN 20 AND 30IN GOT REMOVED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AS COMPARED TO SIX MONTHS LAST YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD ALL BE HAD VERSUS AMANDA SAYING, WELL, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND WORK TO GO THROUGH ALL THE FORMS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THAT ONE, IMPROVING THE DATA IS IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THIS NEXT ONE REALLY IS, IS CRITICAL USE THE TREE TRUST FUND MONIES.
PER. SO WE HAVE AN ACTION AND SPENDING PLAN THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED AND TWEAKED A LITTLE AND EITHER HAS OR WILL BE BRINGING TO YOU AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.
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PLEASE PASS THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.CERTAINLY WE'RE ALWAYS AROUND TO ANSWER THEM, BUT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS THAT, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. IF YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE SAT IN HERE IN A WORKSHOP AND WE KIND OF GOT OFF ON TANGENTS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE PURPOSE WASN'T TO GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL.
AND WE ENDED UP DOING THAT. WE GOT THROUGH ABOUT THREE OF THEM BEFORE WE RAN OUT OF TIME AFTER TWO HOURS. SO TRY TO TRUST US AND, AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN STAFF AND OUR COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS TO COME TO YOU WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
THERE'S OVER $600,000 IN THE MITIGATION FUND RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT ENHANCING OUR CANOPY OR PROTECTING OUR TREES IN ANY WAY.
SITTING IN THAT FUND, PLEASE HELP US SPEND IT TO PLANT TREES ALONG RIGHTS OF WAY AND IN PARKS, AND TO GET BETTER INFORMATION AND DO ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN IT.
NUMBER FIVE, ADOPT CHAPTER 23 REVISIONS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WE'VE BEEN FUSSING FAIRLY REGULARLY TO YOU ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND THEN AGAIN A YEAR AGO AND MAYBE AND WE AGREED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THE LANDMARK TREE BIG TREE THING.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE'D COME BACK. SO PLEASE, LET'S COME BACK TO THAT.
SO SOMEBODY WHO HELPED PROVIDE THIS REPORT HAS INDICATED ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE STATUS OF THEM AND HAS A DAYS OVERDUE COLUMN, WHICH SHE DOES.
OOPS, WHICH THIS PERSON DOES TO US AS WELL. IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT WE COMMIT TO BUT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VOLUNTEERS, WE GET SATISFACTION FROM ACCOMPLISHING THINGS.
AND DOESN'T LEAD TO A PROACTIVE VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY.
AND IT CREATES APATHY. SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE SOME PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS GET BROUGHT TO YOU, WHETHER STAFF LIKES THEM OR NOT, OR WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT.
BUT AT LEAST TELL US, YES, KEEP SPENDING TIME ON THAT OR STOP SPENDING TIME ON IT.
AND SO WE CAN FOCUS ON MORE IMPORTANT THINGS OR IMPORTANT THINGS.
LAST SLIDE. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD ON PRESENTATION.
AND WE HAVE WE'VE DRAGGED TOO MANY THINGS OUT.
AND BY THE WAY, IF WE DIDN'T SPEND ANY OF THAT IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'D ADD ANOTHER 100 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND, MAYBE 200,000 TO IT. SO IT'S GROWING AND IT'S NOT DOING US ANY GOOD.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS REPORT THAT IS NOT IN THIS DECK.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE. I GUESS YOUR STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT PROBABLY.
AND OF THAT, IT HAS 50% OF IT GOING TO NEW TREES.
AND THEN IT HAS THE OTHER 50% GOING TO OTHER THINGS LIKE EDUCATION AND PROGRAMING AND BROCHURES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT MIGHT HELP US, YOU KNOW, CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION ON SAVING OUR TREES.
SO ANYWAYS, WATERING. PARDON. WATERING. WATERING.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO DO, IF YOU WOULD HUMOR ME ON IT, IS JUST COME TO CONSENSUS HERE AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE BUDGET. BRING IT TO US.
WE ALWAYS, WHEN WE GET INTO ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, HE CAN PRESENT THE FINAL.
AND WE COULD DECIDE WE WANT TO STRIP THIS ITEM OUT OR THAT ITEM OUT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT GETTING INTO EACH OF THE LITTLE ITEMS, BECAUSE YOU GOT SOME $12,000 FOR A BROCHURE AND THEN $17,000 FOR THIS AND SO ON, BUT WITHOUT GETTING SIDEWAYS ON IT, CAN WE MOVE THE BALL ON THIS AND GET THIS INCLUDED INTO THE BUDGET CONVERSATION? HERE'S THE THE COOL THING IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED ANY REVENUES FOR THIS.
WE HAVE THE FUND FOR THIS. THIS ISN'T TAX REVENUES.
THIS ISN'T A GRANT. IT ISN'T SOME OTHER SOURCE THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN IDENTIFIED.
THIS MONEY IS SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING AT THE MOMENT.
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COMMENTS. YES. YEAH. YOU KNOW. AGREED. MAYOR.WE DON'T NEED TO GET IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WEEDS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND PLANNING THE NEW TREES, MAYBE JUST YOUR TOP THREE FOR BIG ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED BY THAT 200,000 OUT OF THE 400,000.
THE 200 RIGHT NOW I'M SAYING YEAH, I'D RATHER I'LL SEE IF I CAN PULL UP THE WELL.
MULTIPLE SPEAKERS] YOU KNOW, EVEN IF JUST SUBJECTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED.
TONIGHT, YOU'D LIKE THAT TONIGHT, LIKE YOU'D LIKE THAT IN THIS EXCHANGE BEFORE WE GO THROUGH BUDGET.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. SURE. YES. COMMISSIONER.
SO IN MY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS WITH CITY MANAGER, I KNOW THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A PLAN FOR SPENDING THIS MONEY SO WE CAN REINFORCE HIS IDEAS, BUT IT'S ALREADY IN WORK. YEAH. WELL, AND I THINK WE'RE RIGHT AT THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY WE'RE DOING BUDGET.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE BUDGET. I THINK WE START FROM THE MAIN PREMISE OF YOU'VE GOT $617,000, AND THAT WAS AS OF A MONTH OR SO AGO. DO WE WANT TO AGREE TO RETAIN 25% AS A RESERVE GOING FORWARD? IF SO, NOW WE HAVE A NUMBER TO WORK WITH. IS THAT HOW MUCH WE'RE ADVISING THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT IN THE BUDGET AND FUND IT THROUGH THIS FUND? YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE BUDGET TIME.
YEAH. WE HAVE NOT BEEN HIT WITH A MAJOR HURRICANE, MAJOR STORM.
WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY. RIGHT. YEAH. I WOULD GUESS THAT SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, WE WILL WANT TO HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION OF PARKS ETC. ETC..
SO I WOULD I. YOU MEAN WITH WITH THE TREE FUND ON NEW TREES.
RESERVE IN THE TREE FUND FOR JUST THAT PURPOSE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A LINE ITEM IN IT FOR UNSPECIFIED CITY DIRECTED PLANTINGS.
THAT WAS ANOTHER $100,000. THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
THAT'S IN THE 50% THAT'S. YEAH. SO AGAIN, WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, I HEAR YOU, I GET YOU.
BUT NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRESENT MORE. WE'RE DONE PRESENTING.
AND THE POINTS HERE ARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IF SOMEBODY CAN ESTIMATE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 627 PLUS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, MINUS WHAT WE WANT FOR RESERVES AND SEE HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEND ON THIS.
YES. COMMISSIONER. YES. MAYOR. SO A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING THE $600,000, HOW MUCH HAVE WE ACQUIRED OVER THE PAST YEAR? YEAH. OR, AND HOW MUCH DO WE ON AVERAGE ACQUIRE YEAR OVER YEAR? ALSO, IS IT LIMITLESS TO WHAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO DO WITH TREE PLANTING OR CARE FOR THE TREES.
SO WATERING. YEAH. AND SO THANKS FOR MENTIONING THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS GOES TO COUNCIL MAYBE CITY MANAGER AS WELL, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HIRING AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO WATER OUR TREES. BUT IS THERE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A WATER, A TRAILER WITH A WATERING EQUIPMENT ON IT? AND COULD THAT BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE TREE FUND? DO YOU SEE S I SEE A CORRELATION. I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TREE FUND PROVISIONS TO TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT THAT ARGUMENT. YEAH. NOT TO SPEAK, BUT DO WE HAVE A GOOD ONE.
NOT TO SPEAK FOR? I WANT TO SEE IT. I WANT A DEMONSTRATION.
WE ALREADY HAVE A WATER BUFFALO. IS IT A GOOD ONE? OKAY. THAT. NOW THAT'S ONE I'D LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF.
I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING TO BRING A PICTURE.
MAYOR. IT'S WHAT THEY USED WHEN THEY DID THE PAVER DEMONSTRATION.
BUT I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON THAT EITHER.
THERE ARE REASONS TO OUTSOURCE THINGS. SO GOOD PRESENTATION, BUT MY AGAIN, MY ASK IS YES.
COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. SO ON THE UNDER PROCESS EVALUATION, IT'S ON PAGE 96 AND THE, AND YOUR OTHER PACKET OR PAGE 14 IN YOUR PRESENTATION. AND SO KEVIN.
YES, I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A KEVIN QUESTION THAT A LOT OF THESE SEEM TO BE WE COULD PROBABLY DO BETTER INTERNALLY WITH, THESE, WITH MAYBE THE ER, WITH THE, ELECTRONIC RECORD KEEPING OR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP A
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LOT AND STUFF ON THIS PAGE. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO.SO YES, THE TREE FUND REPORTING REMAINS ELUSIVE.
YOU KNOW THAT HURTS AND, AND THAT'S NOT OKAY.
IF INDEED, WHEN WE COME IN OCTOBER OR SO WITH THE.
IF WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS CONTRARY TO WHAT'S IN THE CODE IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT, WE WOULD BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE CODE.
OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER. YEAH. WITH REGARD TO THE TREE FUND TOO, IN TERMS OF REPLANTING AND WHATNOT, AND I'VE TALKED TO SARAH A BUNCH IN THE PAST AND IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS TO PUT BIG TREES, RIGHT? WE HAVE AREAS TO PUT LITTLE PLANTINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE GOING BACK TO THE HOMEOWNER SOME OF THESE YARDS THAT WERE CLEARED, THE LOTS THAT WERE CLEARED BY THE CONTRACTOR TO BUILD WHATEVER HOUSE POSSIBLE.
WHILE IT WAS KIND OF A SHAME, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE TREES GOT CUT DOWN.
THAT'S ACTUALLY IN YOUR BREAKOUT. IS THAT IS THAT IN THERE TOO.
BUT NOT JUST A, A LITTLE TREE, LIKE SPEND SOME NICE MONEY TO A BIG TREE BACK INTO THIS YARD.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE, WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT A, A VARIATION OF THAT WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THEM DOWN AS A RESULT OF ARBORIST LETTERS, YOU KNOW, MY TREE IS SICK AND DYING. I HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OH WOE IS ME.
WELL, OKAY, WELL, WE WOULD LOVE TO PLANT A REPLACEMENT TREE IN THAT SPOT.
AND SO KIND OF MAKES PEOPLE PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS.
WELL, NO, I REALLY JUST DIDN'T WANT THE TREE, YOU KNOW? AND I DON'T WANT YOU PLANNING ANOTHER ONE EITHER. SO BUT DOING IT JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU WOULD ADVOCATE OR BE POTENTIALLY IN FAVOR OF SPENDING MONEY OUT OF CITY TREE FUND TOO BUT AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IN SORT OF A LOADED WAY. YOU'D BE WILLING TO SPEND, SAY, $2,500 TO PUT A REALLY NICE TREE IN THIS NEW $4 MILLION HOMES FRONT YARD.
IF YOU KNOW, FOR. WELL, IF IT HELPS THE CANOPY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO, I HEAR YOU, I JUST I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S I MEAN, TO SAY WE PAID TO PUT A TREE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
BUT IF THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, CHANCES ARE WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT PROPERTY PAID X INTO THE FUND.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU BACK OUT THERE, YOU GO TO PUT A NICE TREE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WANT I LIKE IT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IF IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO.
THANK YOU. THE MOST ABOUT THE CANOPY BEING CUT ARE THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
RIGHT. OH, THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORS FOR THE MAYOR'S USE, THE NEIGHBORS OF THOSE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO LOTS THAT WERE CLEAR CUT. SO WHY NOT TRY TO HELP THAT? I THINK THAT ONE OF OUR LIMITATIONS IN TALKING ABOUT YOU'VE HEARD FROM SARAH AND OTHERS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DRIVEN AROUND AND LOOKED AND LOOKED AND I'VE DONE IT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS OF STAFF UNDER AMANDA.
WE CAN'T DO IT HERE. WE CAN'T DO IT THERE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES. AND THE OTHER THING THAT STOPS US IS SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST GO WATER THAT TREE AND GO. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO WATER EFFECTIVELY AND EXTENSIVELY IS A BIG LIMITATION ON WHERE WE CAN PLANT TREES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SELVA MARINA, A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US, YOU KNOW, COULD WE SEE ABOUT GETTING MORE IN THERE? WELL, SOME WENT IN THERE AND PUBLIC WORKS COULDN'T GET BY THERE AND THEY DIED.
AND WATERING IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HIRED AN ARBORIST.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE FACILITY, MAYBE WHATEVER DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC WORKS OR PARKS OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE HALF A FTE THAT COULD DRIVE AROUND AND WATER WHEN NECESSARY.
CONTRACTING OUT AND I'M INVOLVED ON THE BOARD WITH GREENSCAPE BIG TREE PLANTING NONPROFIT.
THE WATERING CONTRACTORS GOUGE YOU. I MEAN, THEY CHARGE.
YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE FOUND SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T.
MOST ALL OF THEM. IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE TICKET TO WATER TREES.
AND IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IT APPEARS THAT WE COULD DO IT OURSELVES A LOT MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
SO YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS LATER. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE GIST OF IT.
WE'RE GOING TO OKAY, MORE THAN $400,000, $600,000 TOTAL.
WE HAVE MORE THAN 600,000 IN THE FUND AT THE MOMENT.
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AND THIS THE PROPOSED BUDGET SO FAR. AND YOU CAN AMEND IT OF THE $57 MILLION OR SO BUDGET, MORE THAN 400 IS FOR IS FOR TREE PROTECTION. USING THESE FUNDS.USING THE TREE FUND. YES. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT REVENUE WE'RE LOOKING TO GENERATE. THAT'S RIGHT.
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL DONE. THE 600 IS WHAT'S IN IT.
THE IDEA WAS LET'S NOT SPEND ALL 600 OF IT. WE'LL KEEP 25%.
IN CASE THE HURRICANE, HURRICANE BOLE COMES THROUGH.
[LAUGHTER] AND IT HASN'T BEEN I MEAN, IT WENT IT WENT FROM $100,000 TO $600,000 PRETTY FAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT INFLUX OF MITIGATION FEES WILL CONTINUE AT THE RATE THAT IT HAS IS.
UNLIKELY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. GOOD JOB GUYS. LET'S MOVE TO WHERE ARE WE AT?
[8.A. RESOLUTION NO. 26-106]
WE'RE AT 8A. EIGHT A, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND OUTFITTING OF TWO REPLACEMENT PATROL POLICE PATROL VEHICLES UTILIZING REPRIORITIZED FISCAL YEAR 2020 526 POLICE DEPARTMENT FUNDS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.OKAY. MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE PURCHASE OF TWO PATROL VEHICLES.
WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPLACING THOSE TWO VEHICLES, KNOWING ALREADY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET INSURANCE REIMBURSEMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS. WE ARE, AS YOU KNOW, PROPOSING THE PURCHASE OF THREE PATROL VEHICLES IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET. BUT THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
THIS GETS US STARTED WITH REPLACING TWO VEHICLES THAT CRASHED.
CHIEF, CAN YOU JOIN US? SO THIS IS IMPORTANT.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THIS, WHAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PLAYGROUND? ARE WE OKAY? THE KID WAS IN THE SWING. YEAH. MAYBE JUST A KID IS A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG FOR THE SWING.
SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY OVER THERE, THOUGH. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU YOU HANDLED THAT. THANK YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, EVERYONE ON THIS DAIS IS DELIGHTED THAT YOUR MEN ARE OKAY FROM THAT CRASH.
AND JUST AN AMAZING THING THAT THAT DIDN'T RESULT IN BODILY HARM.
SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IN ADVANCE.
I GOT NO PROBLEM REPLACING THE TWO VEHICLES. IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THE THREE VEHICLES YOU WANT IN THE BUDGET, BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY ON BOARD. BUT I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO START THIS.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL. BUT WHAT WAS THE AGE OF THE TWO VEHICLES THAT WERE GOING TO REPLACE LIKE, TELL ME THEY'RE OLD. ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY.
SO IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD, A GOOD STROKE OF FATE.
IT WAS A 2017 WAS ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES. YES.
THE OTHER ONE, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS A 2022. THAT'S OLD.
IT'S GETTING THERE. SO WE THAT ONE'S DEPRECIATED SO MUCH WE WON'T GET MUCH FROM THE INSURANCE.
GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT 2017 WON'T BRING US A WHOLE LOT OF INSURANCE.
YEAH, YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF.
I JUST ONE. HOW ARE THEY? HOW ARE THE POLICE OFFICERS DOING? THE OFFICERS DOING FINE. THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
I WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S JUST AN UNFORTUNATE RISK OF DOING THE JOB.
YOU KNOW A FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE PERSONNEL ARE IN THE ROADWAY AT ODD HOURS OF THE NIGHT, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT DRIVING DRUNK AND THAT JUST HAPPENS.
IT'S A MAGNET. FLASHING LIGHTS ARE A MAGNET FOR DUI DRIVERS.
YES. YES HE WAS. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. YES COMMISSIONER.
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR CHIEF OR THE CITY MANAGER.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO GET REIMBURSED FROM OUR INSURANCE CARRIER ON THINGS LIKE THIS? QUITE A WHILE. I DON'T KNOW, MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. YEAH. YEAH.
AND BY THE WAY, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GET THE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES? YEAH. SO IT'S 3 TO 6 MONTHS TO ORDER THEM IN IN ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO FOUR MONTHS TO GET THEM OUTFITTED.
SO, SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THESE TWO OFFICERS WHILE THERE'S NO VEHICLES? SO WE HAD TWO POOL CARS THAT WAS PART OF OUR FLEET PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO POOL CARS JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
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WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT THESE OFFICERS ARE IN OUR POOL CARS NOW.SO YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THE OFFICERS TO PARK FARTHER OFF THE SHOULDER NOW? GET OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT THE CAR THEY STOPPED, THEY THOUGHT WAS DUI DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS ON, DRIVING SLOW.
SO YEAH. GOOD. YES. NO QUESTION. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A PLAN TO GO GET OTHER VEHICLES, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO GET A VEHICLE FROM ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT MAYBE CYCLES THROUGH VEHICLES A LOT QUICKER? YOU KNOW, WE HAD A 2017. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE GO GET ONE AT ALL.
RIGHT. BUT IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY, AN ENTITY OR A FORCE THAT CYCLES THROUGH THEM EVERY THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, GO GET ONE OF THOSE. IS THAT AN OPTION? WE'VE NEVER LOOKED AT THE OPTION OF TRYING TO FIND A COMPANY THAT RESELLS LEASE VEHICLES, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONLY OPTION FOR US, I THINK. MOST OTHER PLACES WHEN THEY DECOMMISSION A VEHICLE, IT'S IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE BECAUSE THE STRIPING ON THE OUTSIDE, ALL THE EQUIPMENT HAS TO COME OUT OF IT. SO IT'S COMPLETELY RIGGED ON THE INSIDE THEY SELL THEM FULLY RIGGED.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK FOR A LEASE COMPANY.
WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION.
IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU PUT MILES ON THEM. SO REALLY, IT'S THE MILEAGE, RIGHT? AND THE WEAR AND TEAR. IT'S THE MILEAGE AND IDLE TIME.
AND IDLE TIME IS REALLY HARD IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BECAUSE IT IS 105 DEGREES FEEL-LIKE TEMPERATURE OUTSIDE, AND IT JUST MAKES THOSE CARS THE IDLE TIME IS WHAT REALLY KILLS THEM.
I GUESS MY POINT IS THIS RESOLUTION IS IMPORTANT TO GET THE PROCESS STARTING NOW.
YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A MOTION, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 26-106. SECOND.
OKAY. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER RING. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE. OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 9A ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-26-183.
[9.A. ORDINANCE NO. 20-26-183, Public Hearing and Final Reading ]
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.MR. HOGENCAMP, THANK YOU. AND WHEN THIS ORDINANCE IS PRESENTED, WHEN THERE'S A MOTION, PLEASE INDULGE US AND CORRECT THAT THIS IS SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING, AND SECOND READING. THANK YOU. HOPING THAT.
DIDN'T I SAY FINAL READING. I THINK YOU SAID FIRST.
OH, MAYBE I DID. SO. OKAY. CORRECTED FINAL READING.
GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS ENABLES US TO TAKE CARE OF OUR BUREAUCRATIC RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF ACCEPTING THE COMMUNITY GARDEN DONATIONS.
YEP. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS, DONNA? WE DO NOT.
THANK YOU. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION.
I MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20-26-183.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.
HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE. AYE.
OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES 9B ORDINANCE NUMBER 5-26-77.
[9.B. ORDINANCE NO. 5-26-77, Introduction and First Reading]
INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION.ARTICLE EIGHT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIVISION TWO CODE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLANS, SECTION 2-406 DEFFECT AND PURPOSE OF STATE OF LOCAL EMERGENCY OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH TO CONFORM THE CITY'S ENUMERATED EMERGENCY POWERS TO GENERAL LAW, REMOVING PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE REGULATION OF FIREARMS AND WEAPONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE'S OCCUPATION OF THE FIELD OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION REGULATION UNDER SECTION 790.33 FLORIDA STATUTES PROVIDING FOR THE RESOLUTION OF CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. HOGENCAMP. THANK YOU, MAYOR FORD, WE ARE PRESENTING THIS IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO AMEND SECTION TWO 2-406 TO REMOVE LANGUAGE PURPORTING TO AUTHORIZE MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF FIREARMS, AMMUNITION,
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OR WEAPONS WHILE PRESERVING ALL EMERGENCY POWERS LAWFULLY RETAINED BY THE CITY.OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THIS TOPIC ARE OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND POLICE CHIEF.
WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 5-26-77.
SECOND. COMMISSIONER KELLY HAS THE SECOND ON THAT.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH AYE.
AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. AND WE'RE MOVING INTO CITY ATTORNEY.
[11. CITY ATTORNEY/CITY CLERK REPORTS AND/OR REQUESTS]
YOUR REPORT, SIR. I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT TODAY, SIR.THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, DONNA, FOR 35 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE.
WE ALL LOVE YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
ALRIGHT. CLOSING COMMENTS. STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BOLE.
[12. CLOSING COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER ]
YES. JUST ONE. I'LL BE VIDEO TELECONFERENCING IN ON SEPTEMBER 14TH FROM WASHINGTON, DC AS PER SOMETHING WE VOTED ON PREVIOUSLY.I HAVE ACTUALLY THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT VIA VIDEO TELECONFERENCING, OR I'D ALSO BE HAPPY TO TRADE AND WILLING TO THROW SOMETHING IN FOR THAT TRADE FOR ANY COMMISSION MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE THAT. SO YOU COULD STREAM LIVE RIGHT FROM THE CABIN ITSELF.
THERE YOU GO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I'LL BE WORKING WITH DONNA, OBVIOUSLY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PROPER LINK, ETC., ETC. SO I APPRECIATE THAT VOTE LAST TIME.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S WHAT THE THE FRAMERS OF OUR CONSTITUTION WANTED US TO DO.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. VERY FUNNY. OKAY. I'M GOING OUT OF THE NORMAL ORDER.
COMMISSIONER KELLY. YOU'RE NEXT. RIGHT SO IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF THE ROYAL PALM PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THE COUNT DONE WAS DONE LIKE OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL YEAR.
AND ALSO THEN I THINK THEY DID IT OVER LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY, WHICH IS LIKE VACATION WEEK.
SO IT'S PROBABLY AN UNDERCOUNT. YES. SO JUST TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO PUT IN THOSE SPEED HUMPS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT A, IT'S NOT A BAD ASK. SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THOSE AS LONG AS WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR CORAL AND MAIN STREET.
SO CAN YOU BRING US BACK A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KELLY. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
COMMISSIONER RING. YES, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SCHULMAN FAMILY THAT CAME IN.
THE COUPLE THAT CAME IN TO DISCUSS THE GRAND BAR AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE THERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF OPENING UP A BAR THAT JUST MIGHT HAVE GONE A LITTLE OVERBOARD.
BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO REIGN THEM BACK. WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD CITY, BEACH CITY.
WE'RE NOT JACKS BEACH, YOU KNOW? AND THEN I, I DID APPRECIATE MAYOR ELLEN GLASSER'S COMMENTS ON THE COUNTY SERVICES FOR JFRD AND THE HOMELESS PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE THE PATH PROGRAM FORWARD.
SO I THINK SHE MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE JOINT RESOLUTION AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE NEWS RECENTLY AND JACKS BEACH WITH THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE HERE HAVE AT THE BEACHES, IT'S NOT JUST A JACKS BEACH'S ISSUE.
WE'RE VERY CLOSE IN PROXIMITY. SO IT'S ALL OF OURS.
SO I, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT.
OKAY. AGREE. COMMISSIONER GRANT. YES. THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER RING'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE ADDITION OF THE TWO POSITIONS.
I HAVE SPOKE TO KEVIN ABOUT THAT AND SHARED MY FEELINGS.
AGAIN, BEING SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW WE'RE PAYING YOU VERY WELL.
YOU GOT THE HIGH END OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE SALARY RANGE, WHICH IS FINE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO BE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.
WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE, THIS LANDSCAPE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, IT'S 180 TO SPENDING ANOTHER 160 ON TWO POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT COMES UP FOR RENEWAL OR NEW HIRES, WE HAVE TO RELOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO IT DIFFERENT TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS.
SO HE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. AND NOW YOU GUYS DO TOO.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING ON PLAZA DURING THE FARMERS MARKET FOR A WHILE NOW, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME FANCY WAYS TO KIND OF PROTECT THE ROOT SYSTEMS,
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WHICH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY COST A LITTLE BIT. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT DOESN'T COST MUCH IS, IS PULLING TAPE DOWN, PUTTING UP SOME POLES AND PULLING TAPE FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT OUT HERE ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK, YOU KNOW, TO JUST CLOSE THAT SECTION DOWN AND NOT LET PEOPLE PARK ON THESE TREE ROOTS ANYMORE.SO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE FIND A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT TOO MUCH OF IT ANY OTHER TIME, MAYBE DURING SOME LITTLE LEAGUE GAMES? I'M NOT SURE.
BUT WE NEED TO DO OUR PART TO PROTECT THE TREE.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS JUST CLOSE DOWN THAT PARKING AND PUT SOME TAPE UP.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
IS THAT IN YOUR OPINION IS THAT A VIABLE SHORT TERM SOLUTION WHILE WE DISCOVER THE PERMANENT SOLUTION BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF PARKING AND YOU HAVE A ROBUST SUCCESSFUL FARMER'S MARKET. YES. SO THAT IS A VIABLE TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
IT DOES IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IT MOVES PARKING AWAY FROM THE PARK.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WE HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPED.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT RIGHT AWAY. WELL, YEAH, YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT EARLIER.
YEAH. CAN YOU REPORT IT TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE A PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO USE RAILROAD TIES AND OTHERWISE PROTECTED TREE ROOTS.
SO WE HEARD THE CALL. WE, WE STAFF HAS BEEN CHAMPIONING THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WE ARE.
IT WAS LAST WEEK THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
AND YES, PERHAPS IN THE MEANTIME, NO NO, NO THAT'S OKAY. AND YES, PERHAPS AS EARLY AS THIS SUNDAY WE GO AHEAD AND BLOCK IT OFF.
IT DOES YOU KNOW, THIS WHAT DOESN'T MAKE THIS A NO BRAINER ON THE SURFACE IS THAT WE DO IT DOES IMPACT PARKING AT A, YOU KNOW, A VERY LIMITED, VERY POPULAR TIMES.
BUT WE THINK THAT PROTECTING THE TREES IS WORTH IT.
YEAH. AND, MAYBE BY DOING THIS, WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO GET HERE, WHETHER IT'S BIKING RIGHT UP HERE, WALK OR OR I MEAN, IT'S THE FARMER'S MARKET DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR VENDOR PARKING WHERE THOSE FOLKS PARKING? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT THAT FRANKLY, THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY PARKING RIGHT THERE.
YES. SO THAT'S I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS ABOUT PARKING GO TO THE FARMERS MARKET. AND THE LITTLE LEAGUE PLAY IS TO HAVE THE VENDORS PARK OFF SITE SOMEWHERE.
YES. THEY'RE NOT PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT. THEY DO HAVE A PARKING PLAN.
WE ADMINISTER IT AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT.
AND AND IT'S AT MY FINGERTIPS. I GET I'LL GET THAT PARKING PLAN TO YOU ALL.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
I'LL FINISH IT UP. REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PAVING THAT'S GOING ON SECOND STREET.
I THINK WE FINISHED THAT LAST WEEK. DID WE? PAVING ON SECOND STREET OR DID WE START IT? THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR STREETS. YES, YES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK, MAYBE THIS WEEK.
I WAS DELIGHTED BECAUSE WE'RE MILLING IT AND PAVING.
BUT IS THAT FROM SAILFISH TO TO MAYPORT ROAD OR IS IT ALL THE.
YEAH. OKAY. SHOULD I PULL IT UP. NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S JUST EVERY YEAR JUST MAKES ME SMILE WHEN WE PUT SOME MONEY INTO REPAVING. SO THANK YOU ON THAT. AND THEN GUYS, I HAVE I WENT AWAY TO EUROPE AND THIS WAS WEEKS AGO AND THEN CAME BACK AND I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER HOGENCAMP, I SAID, HOW COOL DOES IT LOOK? THE NEW PARKING OVER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
HE SAYS, WELL, THEY HAVEN'T POURED IT YET. OKAY.
SO THEY DID. THEY WERE POURING THAT THIS MORNING.
THEY WERE HAD TWO CONCRETE TRUCKS IN THERE. SO I'M BETTING THEY GOT AT LEAST HALF OF IT DONE, MAYBE MORE. SO I'M VERY EXCITED. YOU GUYS NEED TO GO SEE THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S GOING TO BE COOL. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS,
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.